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Black Men, White Women

Reader and prolific commenter Obsidian was interested in my take on this article by a white woman who discusses her preference for black men.

Black skin is thick and lush, sensuous to the touch, like satin and velvet made flesh. There’s only one patch of skin on a white man’s body that remotely compares to nearly every inch of a black man’s skin.

I have no idea what black man skin feels like, since VK won’t let me run my hands up and down his chiseled biceps and give a squeeze for good measure, but I remember the skin of the last black woman I slept with — it was wrinkle-free and taut but also somewhat rough in spots, like sandpaper. The softest female skin I have ever touched was on an Asian woman.

And I had the socially acceptable explanation for my craving. I used that paucity-of-available-white-partners rationale to explain my relationships with black men for several years. A white woman past forty is often passed over by her white-male contemporaries. She goes younger or ethnic or foreign-born or down the socioeconomic scale or darker or she spends lonely nights at home with her cats. Black men are happy to get the babe they couldn’t have when she was twentysomething and fertile. The laws of the marketplace do prevail. It’s not me, it’s them being the white guys who weren’t after me anymore, or so I claimed.

That’s a lie. The truth is, I attract about the same percentage of available white men my age (and far younger!) now as I did when I was thirty and that’s not including the unavailable white men who want to play around anyway.

Enough white men want me that I was hardly facing enforced celibacy, but I don’t want them.

Let’s take a look at the author’s photo, shall we?

grossoldhag

Here’s a video of her, for more accurate judging. Hint: She’s not the hottie standing on the right.

The only lie here is the lie she is telling herself. There is no way this gross disgusting old hag who hit the wall so hard she is on the other side of it is attracting any sort of white man except the bottom of the barrel dregs who will dump a fuck in her distended flabby hole because they can’t afford an internet connection to whack off to porn outside of the public library. Her looks are relevant to her claim that she is freely choosing black men in favor of white men — she is holding up her desirability to white men as proof of her options in the sexual market and her freedom to choose which men to fuck. A simple, revealing photo utterly discredits the core underpinning of her argument by anecdote.

The truth here is, unfortunately for her, quite unflattering. As her repulsive ugliness has worsened with age and fat, her options have been severely curtailed. If she is finding solace in flings with black men, it is because

  1. the white men she finds attractive no longer feel the same about her, and
  2. the black men she finds attractive are more willing to overlook her market value-destroying flaws and fuck her. At least for one night. Heh.

Moving along to the rest of the article…

I want black men. They want me. We look at one another and exchange a visible frisson of sexual energy in the lingering glances.

A small percentage of people do have an overcharged attraction for different races. But there’s not much we can generalize from this one old hag’s fetishistic sexual drive because she is not choosing in a free market with all options open to her. There are many delusional pretty lies humans tell themselves when cold hard reality is staring them in the bloated face. She may want black men given the structural incentives in place, but do they want her? Or, as I suspect is more likely, do black men see her sloppily flirting with them and think to themselves “Oh yeah, that white broad is gonna be an easy lay.”

Even in a time when nearly 40 percent of single Americans have dated outside their race, that deliberate seeking of the specific other makes some people, especially black women, damned mad.

Black women are mad because they’re looking at black men fucking fat old heifers like you and wondering what the hell they’re thinking.

We are what they denigrate and castigate: white women and black men who choose one another because of our racial differences. They resent our taking their men.

Define “taking”. I doubt in her case it means any commitment longer than a few nights together, away from the public eye. A man’s got a rep on the street to keep.

Black men are two and a half times more likely to marry a white woman than a black woman is to marry a white man.

Here are my thoughts on interracial dating. Despite all the sound and fury, I don’t see too much of it. Most people date *long term* within their race. There are likely evolutionarily mediated reasons for this. Women are more racist than men in the realm of dating. They are less open to having relationships with men of different races, while men are bigger whores who will happily fuck a cute chick from any race. (Commitment is another matter.)

So in the bigger picture, I don’t see many white woman-black man couples strolling around the city holding hands. In comparison, I see about three times as many white man-asian woman couples. These are my observations in DC and in major cities on the East coast; the numbers on the ground might be different in other parts of the country. Of the BM-WF couples I do see, I notice two different types: The Maury Povich who’s-the-daddy fat white trash girl with the thug, and the hot blonde, usually European girl with the handsome, well-dressed, and educated-looking yuppie black man. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground between those two types.

From casual conversation, my white guy friends don’t find the general population of black girls attractive. Their preferences are decidedly skewed toward white chicks. I only know one white guy who has yellow fever. He proudly proclaims it, too. From my conversations with black women, they are even more racially provincial. I get the impression that black women don’t find men outside their race at all physically attractive. I’m an outlier, in that I’m the recipient of a lot of flirty attention from black women. I think if I were an even blacker dude than I already am, I would clean up with black women. King Kong ain’t got nothing on me.

So this is why black women are screwed, it would seem. Available black guys are hooking up with women of all races, white and Asian guys don’t much like black girls, and black women only want to be with black guys. I can’t think of a worse recipe for resentment and bitterness. Since men do some choosing in the sexual market (though men are not as choosy as women on average, neither are they mannequins standing around waiting for women to pick them out of the crowd), the choice by white and Asian men to overlook black women is going to have repercussions.

Why don’t black chicks dig white guys and vice versa? In a word: testosterone. Blacks have more of it, and more androgen receptors, than other races. The same testosterone that imbues black men with attractive masculine features and musculature makes black women look less feminine. On average. This isn’t an assertion from anecdote, because in my personal life I know quite a few really cute black chicks. I’m judging based on general observations and what I’ve heard from men of all races when the subject came up. Since women are attracted to men with lots of testosterone (for fucking, at least), it stands to reason that black women would want men who have more of it relative to their own. Here, few white and even fewer Asian men qualify as acceptable partners for black women.

I have demonstrated that the fundamentals of female beauty are universal. Men all over the world love 0.7 waist-to-hip ratios, clear skin, youth, feminine faces, big eyes, luscious lips, breasts and ass. Adjusting for racial idiosyncracies, a beautiful black woman’s face has more fundamental similarity to a beautiful white woman’s face than to an ugly black woman’s face. However, there is an important caveat. I now believe that there is a slight preference among men of the major racial groups for women of their own race. In general, black men, all else equal, would rather date long term a hot black chick than a hot chick of another race. To illustrate, black guys prefer the bigger rumps that are a hallmark of black women. The same intra-race mechanism apples to white, Hispanic (who?), and Asian men. They all have marginally peculiar preferences for the specific beauty of women within their own race. I would not be surprised to learn that Asian men like flatter asses.

I know I am this way. My roving eyes are overwhelmingly pulled in by hot white chicks. I see hot Asian and black chicks, but it’s clear to me where my strongest preferences lie. Is this because white chicks are, again on average, better looking than chicks of other races? Or is it because of my inborn endogamous sexual preference for girls of my own race? I don’t know. I suspect the latter. But I do have some personal observations that buttress my tilt toward women of my own race. For instance, whenever there is a news story from the Congo, or Rwanda, and throngs of people are swarming around the cameras, I don’t see a single woman in the crowd I’d want to bang. But when there is a camera pointed at Red Square or Stockholm, and girls are streaming past, I have trouble finding a fertile age woman in the crowd I *wouldn’t* want to bang. In places like Tokyo, the urge to merge with the locals on camera is less cut and dried. There are a few Japanese girls who make the grade.

The class of the women has an effect as well. There was this time I was driving through the hardcore DC ghetto (nothing like an adventure), and a large public housing apartment complex had caught fire. The traffic had stopped, so I was idling by the smoking building while hundreds of residents who had been evacuated were milling about the sidewalk, waiting for the firemen to finish their job. My most vivid memory from that incident, and one that sticks with me to this day, was just how brutally ugly those women were. I mean, “make a documentary of it” ugly.

All right, back to the article…

But in truth, black sisters, we’re after the sex, not the ring, and these guys aren’t the marrying kind anyway.

Squeeze those sour grapes, old bag. Of course she’s written off the ring. No man who isn’t a complete loser would commit to her decrepit carcass.

Black men have more energy, style and edge than white men. They know how to flirt, a nearly lost art among the rest of us. A black man is so damned sexy because he knows how to make a woman feel sexy.

This is true if we restrict our sample size to has-been fat white women who faint with joy at the slightest attention from any man. While I believe that black guys on the whole do have better natural game than white guys, their often aggressive style of flirting and their whiff of dangerous edginess can be a turnoff for younger white women who are repelled by displays of brute machismo. My experience suggests that SWPL white girls and especially Asian girls in their 20s are more receptive to subtler mating cues. This is why Mystery has rarely run game on black chicks.

They make me feel like a woman, both respected and desired.

Translation: No white man desires her enough to make her feel like the woman she was 20 years ago and in an alternate universe.

This brings up another interesting angle. Are black men less picky than white men? If so, that would explain the author’s sudden conversion. My view: Black guys are indeed less picky when considering short term flings and one night stands. They seem to be more forgiving of wear and tear on white women, such as the accumulation of fat and waddles. Like other men, black guys are probably pickier when choosing which women get to be their number one girls. Who are the pickiest men? The alphas, of course.

On we go dissecting this disaster…

My current lover,…

Translation: My current one night stand.

On another night in that same bar, a different black man, an artist, knelt and kissed my knees.

Beta.
Correction: Kissing this old sow’s gnarly knees? Omega.

They look better than white men, they touch and kiss and make love better than white men.

Silly cow. When a man finds you physically less than ideal, he isn’t inspired to please you in bed.

Statistically, their penises are only a fraction of an inch bigger on average, but they seem bigger and harder.

I notice my hardness varies by the girl’s looks. The hotter she is, the firmer I get. With this old broad, I’d have to enlist David Alexander’s pornified pud to do the job.

By the way, I remember reading a study from some years ago that purported to show that package size does indeed vary by race, with blacks the largest and Asians the smallest. Commenters are free to find any links proving or disproving the stereotype.

White men over 40 have lost their waistlines and their zest for life if they ever had it.

White women lose it even faster. Has this shoggoth looked in a mirror lately? On the larger point, I agree that sedentary black men keep their dainty figures longer than sedentary white men. Black women, otoh…

Society overvalues the white man, leaving him angry and bitter when he realizes, around age 40, that he’s not all that.

If this isn’t a picture perfect example of projection, I don’t know what is.

With the exception of some Italians, white men don’t turn me on anymore.

You won’t be missed, bowlingballhead.

While women my age scowl and frown at these aging, Upper West Side Boomers pushing strollers as the hand of the thin, blonde wife 20 years their junior rests lightly on their arm, I feel a kinship with the old goats. We are the same, me and that bald white guy, drawn to the exotic other, not caring that the object of our desire has no childhood memory of a Kennedy assassination or a typical WASP Sunday dinner of over-roasted beef, lumpy mashed potatoes and soggy vegetables.

This woman is hurting inside, deeply. She has secretly wanted that Ozzie and Harriet white picket fence life since forever, but now it is too late, if there ever was a chance. But the objects of her affection ignored her true wishes. There, there, lumpy mashed grandma taking random dick in bars and waking up to an empty bed and fridge. I’m sure all those older white guys dating younger women are JUST LIKE YOU. Except not.

Halfway through the first glass of wine in my last date with a white man, I realized that little clouds of sadness and self-pity were regularly fluffing off his psyche like the dust clouds kicked up by that dirt-smudged “Peanuts” character as he walks through Charlie Brown’s life. This guy was at least mildly depressed…

No wonder he was depressed. He was on a date with a beluga whale.

What did he think would entice me more: That he assumed sex was probable because I’m a sex journalist or that he would need chemical help if sex did occur?

This broad is the gift that keeps on giving. Sex journalist? Why is it always the ugliest women in this “occupation”? It’s like taking advice on losing weight from the world’s fattest man.
And, yes, the poor guy would need chemical help to get it up with you. I’m thinking an IV of distilled super viagra directly into the penis vein, and a brick wall with a hole drilled in it between you two.

I cannot even imagine a black man bungling an attempted seduction in such a sad way.

I cannot even imagine the omegas who are happily chowing down on her cheesy old lady labia.

I recently came out of my racial-preference closet and told my friends, “I love black men. I’m not attracted to white men over 40, and I’m not dating them anymore. Really, it’s not them, it’s me.

Translation: “I recently gave up trying to attract white men who aren’t trolls and told my friends “I love black men because some of them are so horny they look past my disgusting body to masturbate into my cavernous hole. I’m telling myself I’m not attracted to white men over 40 because it makes their rejection easier to swallow, like my black lovers’ loads. Really, it’s not them, it’s my ugly roast beef face.””

My work here is done.

739 Responses

  1. on January 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm ironrailsironweights

    The male equivalent would be the bald middle-aged dweeb who’s too fat to see his schwantzstucker without a mirror, who desperately searches for a mail-order bride even though he knows, deep down, that most of them are con artists.

    Peter


  2. > shoggoth

    A Rush reference the other day, and now H P Lovecraft?

    How long until D&D references start popping up here?


  3. on January 23, 2009 at 3:29 pm ironrailsironweights

    The class of the women has an effect as well. There was this time I was driving through the hardcore DC ghetto (nothing like an adventure), and a large public housing apartment complex had caught fire. The traffic had stopped, so I was idling by the smoking building while hundreds of residents who had been evacuated were milling about the sidewalk, waiting for the firemen to finish their job. My most vivid memory from that incident, and one that sticks with me to this day, was just how brutally ugly those women were. I mean, “make a documentary of it” ugly.

    Class surely is more important than race. If you had driven past a trailer camp in rural Kentucky after a tornado* had displaced its occupants, you almost certainly would have seen any number of brutally ugly white women. Heck, most any Wal-Mart will yield plenty of them.

    Of course, given that blacks tend to be poorer than whites, the percentage of black women who are ugly is probably higher than the percentage among white women. Note also that “ugliness” in the poor-people context often means “fat.”

    * = what is it with tornados and trailer camps?

    Peter


  4. I agree 100% with this post.


  5. roissy ftw big time


  6. This post guarantees hundreds of clueless and stupid back and forth comments between the usual suspects.


  7. Women :

    Black women tend to have rough palms.

    East Asian woman have flat asses.

    Indian women have the best skin, but their asses are soft, rather than firm. They also lag all other women in knowledge of hairstyle/dress fashion (they will catch up in a decade or so).

    White women have firm asses, but their skin wrinkles more than a decade sooner than the skin of any Black, Indian, or Chinese woman. The blonder the woman, the sooner she wrinkles.

    White women have to most facial and body hair, Asian and Black women have the least.

    East Asians and Indians have the best head hair.

    Many East Asian women have bad teeth, unless they grew up in the US.

    A hot black woman’s ass is beyond description. However, in real life, I have hardly ever seen a black woman as hot as Halle Berry or Beyonce outside of a strip club. I have made out with white 10s more than I have even SEEN black 10s, in by life. About 80% of black women are overweight.

    VERY underrated are Iranian women, who seem to combine almost all of the best feminine features. IF you can find one who is not already married by age 24.
    _____________________________

    Men :

    Due to cultural conditioning, natural Game traits are most common in Black or Latino men.

    Game skills are least common in East Asian and Indian men, who are drilled from childhood that everything they want in life is a function of doing well in school and succeeding in a high-paying profession. This myth continues, because for their fathers, this WAS true. Their fathers had arranged marriages, where a girl’s parents are a primary decision force, nd thus evaluate a groom based on career potential, rather than ability to pass shit tests, etc. Thus, you see MANY nerdy Chinese and Indian guys with hot wives, which they could never have gotten within an American Urban dating structure.

    The natural game advantages of Black and Latino men over Asian men will not change any time soon, due to the lack of mentors for young Asian boys, vs. the abundance of mentors for young Black/Latino boys.

    White men with poor game still score with Asian girls easily, due to “GI syndrome’ and an Asian cultural conditioning that white features are better, whether it be eye shape (for Chinese/Korean/Japanese people) or skin color (for Indian people) or both (for Filipinos). This will drop over the next decade as more Asian men catch up in Game, and in media prestige/wealth, which in turn enables them to Game white women who until now were mostly out of reach.

    I see far more Asian Men with White Women than I saw even 5 years ago.


  8. > Women are more racist than men in the realm of dating. They are less open to having relationships with men of different races, while men are bigger whores who will happily fuck a cute chick from any race. (Commitment is another matter.)

    Completely agree. I have two Indian friends who are essentially identical in every way. Both are doctors, they are the same age, earn the same money (a lot of it, in both cases), have similar personalities. But the one who is more European-looking (he passes for Italian) had to bring a quarter of the game to the table that the other did when they were experimenting outside the race (mostly White and East Asian).

    Most starkly, the differing results that they got with online dating services was almost an order of magnitude in scale in terms of response rate.


  9. Roissy, you need to get out more.

    Experiment: go to Crystal City mall on a Saturday, or lunch hour, during the work day. Walk around.

    You will see BM/WF and WM/BF couples, of average attractiveness for both partners. They will be a significant number of the couples you see. The Pentagon is one stop in the Metro over, so that’s where they are coming form. Many are in uniform.

    What will be part of the function, is that mating opportunities for the military are limited — civilians don’t know or understand and don’t put up with the frustrations of military life — lots of moving around, low pay, mixed with excitement and adventure and working with really cool stuff. So they look within the military itself, to the increasing numbers of women in support functions (and women of course tend to join the military that offer the excitement/adventure they crave).

    It’s a way for working-class Sarah Palins and Todd Palins to earn money, do exciting things (Aircraft Carriers, tanks, artillery, hovercraft etc) that have many downsides but only a few people can ever do. Along the way most NCOs earn college degrees (the military will pay for it) and can earn status/power, i.e. a Sergeant can often exercise and display more authority over greater numbers of people than a middle manager in a cube farm.

    For some, it can beat “Office Space.” And those attracted to that life find civilian color lines irrelevant.

    It’s worth noting that Black MEN find Black women dating outside the race a very bad thing, and some have resorted to extreme lynching type violence. The case of the Camp Pendleton Marines (all Black) who tortured and did other terrible things the their Sergeant (a White, Polish emigre) and his Black Wife (studying to be a Doctor) out of racial animosity is a case in point. It’s a reverse Emmet Till.

    Even if Black Women wanted to, they could not as a practical matter date outside the race because Black men will exercise the violence veto.

    It is worth noting that no such violence veto exists among White men (unlike say 50 years ago) … but most White men will not marry or commit to a White woman who has had relationships/sex with Black men.

    There are a variety of reasons for this I think: partly an STD risk assessment (Black men have much higher rates), view that the woman is seeking high testosterone over other things and unlikely to be faithful, and of course racial jealousy/animosity.


  10. ha yeah roissy are you a LARP?

    but anyway, i enjoyed this, but just thought you were exaggerating — then i watched the video of the author and i am fucking appalled that she has the audacity to write something that long and in depth on a subject like that, acting like shes some sought-after carrie bradshaw type.

    from what ive seen, black men, to generalize, are way more into banging a white chick who is gross. they say they are into the big asses, but white women dont get big asses in that same, good way – when their asses are big they are usually just gross. i think theres probably an element of thrill/amusement to banging the white broads that might otherwise turn their nose up at them in day to day life. and theres no way this woman has “lovers” — they are definitely thrill/joke fucks, or dudes who are too pathetic to get ANYthing else. which, particularly as guys get older and havent been successful with women, i think is more common that it would seem.


  11. I would not be surprised to learn that Asian men like flatter asses.

    While Agnostic, befitting his Scots-Irish side, has a taste for booty, being part Japanese might not his taste for teenagers be somewhat genetic in origin. IIRC, the Japanese have a fetish for schoolgirl/teen porn and a liking for small, cute things in general.

    As for poor, white me, I find it bizarre why anyone wouldn’t overwhelmingly prefer women in their early to mid twenties.


  12. on January 23, 2009 at 3:44 pm ironrailsironweights

    White women have the most facial and body hair

    Yum.

    Peter


  13. Women of relatively unmixed West African descent do seem to me noticably less attractive on average compared to white or Asian women. However, children of mixed marriages or black women with a significant amount of white blood are quite frequently _very_ attractive. Examples include:

    Pam Grier
    Jennifer Beals
    Beyonce Knowles
    Halle Berry
    Tyra Banks
    Selita Ebanks
    Emanuela De Paula
    Alicia Keys
    Sade
    Thandie Newton

    Since black men are renowned for their attractiveness, I don’t think the major problem is African features per se. Rather, African women seem a bit too masculine, for my taste anyway. Further to boost my theory, white women will often describe black women as “striking,” “handsome” or “magnificent, ” which basically means that if many black women were men they would be very handsome men. From my own experience, there are indeed a lot of black women who have regular, handsome features, yet still often lack any visceral sex appeal. On the other hand, with a bit more femininity than their blacker sisters, the very Africanness of mixed women’s features seems to come across as pleasingly exotic rather than offputting.

    There is a good list with some lesser, but still quite attractive mixed black/white women here:
    http://www.blackflix.com/articles/multiracial.html

    The only relatively unmixed West African black woman of great attractiveness I can think of is Naomi Campbell, though she has a bit of Chinese blood.

    Things are somewhat different for East African women, who are also frequently quite attractive, though still not quite as attractive on average as white or Asian women.


  14. > The natural game advantages of Black and Latino men over Asian men will not change any time soon, due to the lack of mentors for young Asian boys, vs. the abundance of mentors for young Black/Latino boys.

    I disagree. When I used to go to Pickup conferences, something like 20%+ of the dudes there were East or South Asian. This may be skewed because these things aren’t cheap, and software programmers/doctors/etc tend to have a fair bit of extra cash… but with the rise of the internet, bit torrent, etc, the lag time is going to be much less than you might expect. Contrariwise, you’d be lucky if 1 in 200 guys there were black.

    One of the Indian dudes at one of the conferences joked with me that Indian culture values learning… so he’s just taking a lesson, the same he might if he were learning violin. I can imagine the exact same mindset being replicated by Indian (and Chinese) dudes in mid- to upper-tier colleges across the Anglosphere.

    Obsidian — for an East Asian dude who’s made the beta to alpha transition, Papa isn’t the best example. Google “Hoobie” from Real Social Dynamics. The guy is maybe 5’4″ but has pulled model-level hotties on a consistent basis.


  15. Yes, Class does matter, but Game matters more.

    White women totally ignored Chinese and Indian men until recently, due to a total lack of Game on the men’s part. This is changing now that it is becoming known to the mainstream that these men are successful. It will change even more once Chinese/Indian men discover the importance of Game.


  16. Chris Rock’s latest special “Kill the Messenger” on HBO has a routine on black women being frustrated because they have standards while black men will bang any girl.

    Tood: Great observations. My additions:

    Every race/ethnic group has their peculiar physiological differences.

    Blacks tend to have fuller buttocks, short torsos combined with longer legs. Asians tend to have longer torsos with shorter legs and flat asses, both men and women. Stand a black person and an Asian person of the same height next to each other and the black person’s waist line will be higher.

    White folks have some of the worst natural body odor known to mankind.

    Is it really great game when tall, blond guys get girls? Game is supposed to be independent of looks/culture but if a short Asian guy and a tall white guy apply the same game, the latter gets more girls. If they’re pulling the same number of girls, then it’s the Asian guy who has the better innate game given the “handicap”.


  17. JAM:

    Mr. M from Lovesystems is another short Asian PUA.

    Lots of Asian guys are into this stuff, while very few blacks.


  18. “When I used to go to Pickup conferences, something like 20%+ of the dudes there were East or South Asian. ”

    This is because

    Their analytical/entrepreneurial mind has identified what is wrong with them, and has caused them to seek improvement, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME :

    They are SO far behind in natural game (on par with the nerdiest white World of Warcraft player), that they have a Herculean task ahead of them. Remember that their parents got arranged marriages, so their father got an attractive wife only on the strength of his degrees and job, and thus thinks the same still applied today.

    I agree that Papa isn’t a bonafide PUA. I know him well, and have never actually seen him with a woman. He travels the world on his father’s credit card, nothing more.

    Always learn from someone who started from the bottom AND is actually seen with women. Mystery, Ross Jeffries, JDog, Matador, and Lance Mason meet these qualifications. Papa does not.


  19. on January 23, 2009 at 4:07 pm Cannon's Canon

    I read that article the other day and also thought, “Men buying her drinks? A dude kissed her knees? Motherfucking BETAS! Weak ass game!” It was clear that the author’s perspective was skewed because she could not attract the full spectrum of male attention.


  20. “Game is supposed to be independent of looks/culture but if a short Asian guy and a tall white guy apply the same game, the latter gets more girls. ”

    Yes, but the world changes quickly.

    As recently as 2005, Indian men would have been at the very bottom of the hierarchy of ‘stereotype desirability’.

    But due to a combination of cultural, political, and economic megatrends, you will, in a decade, see many of the younger ones at the very top, scoring the best chicks from all races. The reasons behind that are too lengthy to elaborate here, but remember this and observe…….


  21. “Game skills are least common in East Asian and Indian men, who are drilled from childhood that everything they want in life is a function of doing well in school and succeeding in a high-paying profession. This myth continues, because for their fathers, this WAS true. Their fathers had arranged marriages, where a girl’s parents are a primary decision force, nd thus evaluate a groom based on career potential, rather than ability to pass shit tests, etc. Thus, you see MANY nerdy Chinese and Indian guys with hot wives, which they could never have gotten within an American Urban dating structure.”

    Thank God for this. First of all, I do not want my Indian brothers and asian cousins to end up demonic like Roissy et al. Second, because of their lack of game and parental strictness, the social order is maintained, very well in the native lands, not as well but still better than other communities in the West, because the women are not as slutty thanks to a combination of lack of “game” by a lot of the men, and fairly strict parental control over – actually – both of the sexes. Its a gift from the Gods that the Indians and East Asians have able to maintain their self-control while around them many other groups have descended into the hedonism that Roissy is an extreme example of (He is an interesting character though, I must admit)

    The Economist did a study showing India and China respondents reporting on average 2 sexual partners in a lifetime, compared to the West with 10-15 sexual partners. There are major ramifications from this lack of discipline that the latter is a ***symptom*** of, which we will see THIS YEAR. Europe is going down the drain for sure, we will see how America does.


  22. “White women totally ignored Chinese and Indian men until recently, due to a total lack of Game on the men’s part. This is changing now that it is becoming known to the mainstream that these men are successful. It will change even more once Chinese/Indian men discover the importance of Game.”

    I PRAY that they don’t – the social order must be maintained. At the very least, I pray to God this shit never gets anywhere close to popular in the old countries. The good thing right now, is that in these countries you can still get killed for having sex – even consensual – with the wrong woman. That by itself will control male impulses – at least control them enough.


  23. Black women are hotter than hell.Check out these women of color: http://www.nychocolatemodels.com


  24. “White folks have some of the worst natural body odor known to mankind.”

    I gotta call this one out — it might just because they hate deodorant or something, but black dudes are the worst. Anyone who has grown up in sports or regularly goes to an average gym knows that – they just love stinking like shit. Im sure the race doesnt even matter, but I think black dudes are just way less likely to use deodorant.


  25. Everytime I go to China for work during the summer I get a case of yellow fever. When there you see clearly how westernization makes chicks ugly. In the westernized areas like the Pudong part of Shanghai, the chicks are picky, spoiled, and dress stylish but in a way that is not man pleasing. If you get out to the outskirts and away from the tourist areas, like where there’s phone #’s graffittied over all the walls and people sleep in the open in ditches, the chicks are fucking hot, dress hot, and aggressively pursue you. I’m not talking about whores either. Doctors, beancounters, nurses, etc…


  26. Tood:

    > They are SO far behind in natural game (on par with the nerdiest white World of Warcraft player), that they have a Herculean task ahead of them. Remember that their parents got arranged marriages, so their father got an attractive wife only on the strength of his degrees and job, and thus thinks the same still applied today.

    We’re going to have to agree to disagree, then. I’ve seen the trajectory and it’s exponential and crazy-ass steep. Catch up to average American levels might not happen overnight. But 10 years? Easy.

    Also, arranged marriages amongst first-generation immigrants from India are not *that* common compared to their similarly aged cohorts in India. And in fact, it’s changing rapidly in India. Indeed, from what I gather from my Indian friends, it’s only about 50/50 now amongst the urban educated set in major cities in India. “Cross-cultural”marriages, where say a Tamil marries a Gujarati, are no longer anything to write home about.

    > Always learn from someone who started from the bottom AND is actually seen with women. Mystery, Ross Jeffries, JDog, Matador, and Lance Mason meet these qualifications.

    Agreed. One of the lesser known PUA’s once told me: “if you’re going to learn something, learn it from a stupid kid who had to learn it the hard way.” It’s the same reason why you learn about earning wealth from someone who started out middle-class, rather than one who was born on third base.


  27. Due to cultural conditioning, natural Game traits are most common in Black or Latino men.

    Game skills are least common in East Asian and Indian men, who are drilled from childhood that everything they want in life is a function of doing well in school and succeeding in a high-paying profession.

    Or these could be to average genetic differences among races. As Roissy notes, black men on average have more testosterone and testosterone receptors. I really doubt that “culture” magically gives you more T receptors.

    On average, I would say that a lot more black men are “naturals” than white men. On the other hand, when black men have bad game they tend to have _very_ bad game. Also, having on average lower analytical ability, I have seen many more black men end up being the natural who “loses it,” and can’t get it back. And there is really nothing more pathetic than that, not even being a natural born beta.

    On an aside, anyone else looking forward to Cochran and Harpending’s book out on Monday?


  28. Roissy’s comment filter won’t let me repost a comment I made on another thread about black women and looks, but here is the link:
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/my-inaugural-balls/#comment-47428


  29. @Indian

    I’m not sure about the trajectory of Game, per se, in India. But the same social forces that happened in the West (urbanization, vast amounts of wealth being created, etc, etc) are now taking hold in India. Hell, one Indian state recently allowed common-law marriages. It was (Googles) Maharashtra, the state with Mumbai.

    From a social order perspective, this could be terrible. But with a place as diverse as India that comes from a very different philosophical lineage as the West, it’s hard to predict what could happen.


  30. One of the lesser known PUA’s once told me: “if you’re going to learn something, learn it from a stupid kid who had to learn it the hard way.” It’s the same reason why you learn about earning wealth from someone who started out middle-class, rather than one who was born on third base.

    Which is why it is so often almost totally useless to try and learn anything from naturals. _Watching_ naturals in action can sometimes be of use, but only once you already know some PUA theory.


  31. RE: body hair

    Couldn’t disagree more that “white” girls have the most body hair.

    The more a girl (and her fore bearers) were in the sun the more/darker body hair she will have. Therefore Mediterranean, Caribbean and East Indians have much more hair on average, and this has of course has nothing to do with how hot they are.

    From my extensive experience, many girls from Spain, Italy, Brazil etc will not shave (only wax) because their thick, dark hair grows back in such obvious stubble. And these examples were gloriously hot girls…


  32. “Watching_ naturals in action can sometimes be of use, but only once you already know some PUA theory.”

    Indeed. You need someone who can explain what is happening and why. An engineering backgroud helps, which is why JDog, Lance Mason, and Matador are good teachers.


  33. “But the one who is more European-looking (he passes for Italian) had to bring a quarter of the game to the table that the other did when they were experimenting outside the race (mostly White and East Asian).”

    True, at this moment. But shrinking rapidly. A few Indians in positions of high visibility (Bobby Jindal, Sanjay Gupta, Naveen Andrews, Neel Kashkari, etc.) chips away at this with rapidity. A few examples of success elevates the perception of the whole group. Learning Game is still essential, though.

    Just give it a decade. You’ll see.


  34. on January 23, 2009 at 4:33 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Did anyone watch the video and see this woman?

    I strongly recommend you guys check out that video before commenting.


  35. Anybody familiar with hunter-farmer theory:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_vs._farmer_theory

    The best guy with women I ever met grew up as a natural, lost his virginity really early, and in his early twenties has already slept with over 100 women. He also has ADHD.

    ADHD people tend to be very good in the moment and it is amazing to see this guy make up conversation out of nothing. On the other hand, he lives hand to mouth and his life is a complete mess. He started learning game after depression messed with his confidence and he seems to be quite emotionally fragile still.

    On the other hand, people on the farmer end of things, i.e. nerds, tend to have autism spectrum disorders. These people are far less adept at reading others’ minds, tend not to do well in the moment and therefore often do much less well with women.


  36. This sad, pathetic article has been on the web for several years. I laughed at it or perhaps the writer when I regrettably first stumbled upon it, but paid it no mind beyond wishing that there was some other retort out there which would point out how incredibly sad and pathetic she was (I say “other” because someone else has written a middle finger retort to it.. http://www.ebogjonson.com/archives/2005/12/susan_crain_bak.php).

    Anyhow, Roissy, you gave her the skewering no black man could.. thankyou.


  37. “Things are somewhat different for East African women, who are also frequently quite attractive, though still not quite as attractive on average as white or Asian women.”

    I disagree. East African women have narrower noses and lips, and are a lot less prone to obesity than West African women.

    Iman is one example. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is good too, even though she is a politician, not an entertainer.


  38. on January 23, 2009 at 4:39 pm jurassic.park

    I think Roissy is coming off a little more bitter and angry in this post that circumstance warrants. So the woman is adapting her game as she grows older, so what?


  39. I would also suggest people check out T.’s old post here:
    http://therawness.com/why-black-american-chicks-like-thugs/


  40. on January 23, 2009 at 4:49 pm Anti-Circumcision Activist

    I’m convinved the the 2-3 generations of men who have been circumcised against their will in America (from the 1950s-present) has contributed mightily to the slow decline of the masculinity of White men.

    Circumcision does something to a man, something very negative – it seems to decrease their masculinity to an extent, and likely leaves some psychological scars due to the sheer brutality of slicing up the genitals of a newborn babe who has no clue what is going on.

    Why were tens of millions of White males circumcised against their will when they were newborns? Most Blacks and the vast majority of Hispanics NEVER allowed their baby boys to be brutally sliced…so why have White people allowed this epidemic of child abuse to take root in America?

    Even though these tens of millions of White men are not Jewish or Muslim, still the doctors ‘recommended’ (more like strongly pressured) the parents to have their little White baby boys circumcised – gullible young parents were basically forced in to having a doctor slice up their baby boy’s penis – WHY? It is worth stating that many of these doctors who did the recommending also happened to be Jewish who are disproportionately doctors in America.

    So American men and women – if you allow your baby boy’s penis to be sliced and mutilated against their will YOU ARE COMMITTING CHILD ABUSE. Why would you get a baby circumcised if you are not Jewish or Muslim family? Luckily the tide is turning against this barbaric practice in some European countries where routine infant circumcision is being outlawed…but in America far too many millions of White baby boys are still being sliced up against their will with very adverse effects on their masculinity.


  41. The reason this woman can fuck black men is not simply “lower black standards” in finding the easy lay.

    I think it is evidence that the social class of sex partners does matter for men [and not just women] to a very real extent. Especially at the bottom of the social status hierarchy, where a lot of black men dwell.

    Black men may boast a higher self-image, but I think it’s clear that many of them have internalized an inferior social worth vis a vis whites. Bedding a white woman, any white woman, but especially an educated, higher class white woman like this, is an act of self-validation. It reveals an implicit belief that this woman is “better” than them in some broader and important sense, even though she looks worse than the average tranny.

    And that’s sad, but, hey, it’s pretty sad this woman has to look like this too. So everybody wins. The black guy gets to fuck a “superior” white woman, and the white she-cow gets a tight-bodied, hard-dicked fuck, that she wouldn’t be able to get if blacks didn’t form a depressing ethnic under-class.


  42. “I think it is evidence that the social class of sex partners does matter for men [and not just women] to a very real extent. ”

    Yes. This is indeed why a lot of South and East Asian men will rocket from the bottom of the market value hierarchy to the top, in a relatively short time. These same traits induce them to put effort into learning Game.


  43. Back on my transient yellow fever:

    I just don’t understand why women rarely dress well (as defined by men) in westernized countries. In the light-industry areas of China (i.e. Schenzen where your electronics are made by 20 year old farm girls) most of the factory women during the summer wear simple short skirts with nylons. The white collar and professional women that support the factories, wear the short skirts with nylons, but often have slightly nicer fabrics like silk. Some look so beautiful that when they walk by you there’s an such an uplifting aura that sweeps through the room that it’s like some sort of air-freshener commercial. It doesn’t hurt the eyes that you can see ample leg above the knee to check out bedroom potential. But it is hard to imagine actually laying honest pipe when you don’t understand their culture. I especially wouldn’t fraternize with the 20 year old factory girls although I think I’m starting to get a fetish for the little anti-static caps that they have to wear. When the white-collar chicks want to go out to lunch with you, you have to drag one of the other engineer guys with you so they don’t the wrong idea in a 1 on 1 outing, but I honestly have no idea what’s going through their minds. I think running “game” would be hugely disrespectful to their culture in that kind of climate, though it would be very productive. Mind-fucking over our future overlords is probably inviting bad kharma.

    It takes me a long time after I return to get attracted to bitchy, ugly American chicks again.


  44. Are black men less picky than white men? If so, that would explain the author’s sudden conversion. My view: Black guys are indeed less picky when considering short term flings and one night stands.

    I am sad to say, I have seen some very attractive, successful black men in long term relationships with some quite mediocre looking white women. I have also seen a lot of really good looking, but low class black men in long term relationships with some seriously nasty white chicks. I don’t think it is a short term thing. My general impression is that black men are just less picky on average when it comes to looks. On the other hand, black women seem to be _more_ picky when it comes to both looks and game.

    Not surprisingly, black men are generally considered the best looking on the planet, while black women are generally considered below average. I would suspect that the genetic make up of the black population is skewed towards favouring masculine attractiveness.


  45. “Circumcision does something to a man, something very negative – it seems to decrease their masculinity to an extent, and likely leaves some psychological scars due to the sheer brutality of slicing up the genitals of a newborn babe who has no clue what is going on.”

    BWAHAHA!

    You will never be able to appreciate how truly stupid your pet activism is.


  46. jurassic droned:
    I think Roissy is coming off a little more bitter and angry

    you misspelled gleefully sadistic.

    So the woman is adapting her game as she grows older, so what?

    and couching her involuntary transformation and “personal growth” in a heap of lies.
    which i happily eviscerated.


  47. “and couching her involuntary transformation and “personal growth” in a heap of lies.”

    I don’t begrudge her sleeping with black Beta men for happiness. But I do disapprove of her rationalizing it by saying that white men are bad at seduction.

    So this article is a bad one to write, even if her private actions are fair transactions between consenting adults.


  48. “The same intra-race mechanism apples to white, Hispanic (who?), and Asian men.”

    hispanic who?…why did you say that? I didn’t get it.


  49. on January 23, 2009 at 5:09 pm levi johnston

    The average american female is 5’4 160 lbs, you think that Greek woman is any worse than that?


  50. You will never be able to appreciate how truly stupid your pet activism is.

    Agreed.

    The only people who seem to really care about male circumcision are women and gay men, who project their own bodily narcissism onto heterosexual men. From the feminine point of view, one’s body is a precious, precious thing that must never, ever be violated. Heterosexual men, on the other hand, view their bodies as instruments to act in the world. The vast, vast majority of circumcised heterosexual men out there, and there are a lot of them, have never given their circumcision even the slightest thought. And, guess what, if you know all the facts and you don’t feel violated, then, you know what, you weren’t actually violated. Heterosexual men really do not much give a fuck about concepts like bodily integrity.

    BTW since most of the pleasure, by far, a man gets out of sex with a woman is from her physical attractiveness, so if these activists really cared about about increasing mens’ sexual pleasure they would be putting all their energy into getting fatties into the gym. Girls phys ed and nutrition, now that’s a cause to believe in.


  51. Circumcision :

    Honestly, I didn’t know until age 19 or so that my familiar penis was NOT how I was born, and that a thing such as ‘foreskin’ once existed on me…

    Much like people who never interacted with a newborn infant don’t know that there are blue spots on the infant’s back, or that the dried green umbilical cord stub protrudes from the bellybutton for several days before falling off.


  52. In this day and age, being short is a bigger handicap for men than race. i.e. a tall Asian man has it better than a short white man.


  53. @ jesus lizard

    thanks. this post is tits:
    http://www.ebogjonson.com/archives/2005/12/susan_crain_bak.php

    the really interesting thing is that this guy is a self-described liberal who admits to having changed some of his original post because he didn’t want to be seen as making ‘attacks on her gender’. despite that he’s still managed to come up with some real gems:

    Bakos pats herself on the back for being a sex journalist who not only talks the talk but takes takes it up the “A” pipe, but she’s really just the rankest sort of payola eater…

    We’re expected to believe that Bakos doesn’t the things that system denies her? The wealthy, Viagra-enabled white, well, dicks in Manhattan who ritually leave wives of Bakos’ age, intelligence, accomplishment for much younger women? The adoration of legions of men invisibly masturbating to electronically mediated images of women just out of girlhood?

    and my favorite:

    Black women don’t dislike her kind because she’s “taking their men.” They dislike her because she’s an insufferable asshole who exudes a blithe, rather uniquely white female sense of entitlement. Bakos believes that her whiteness has such intrinsic value that it trumps the downward pressure exerted on her sexual stock by her age…

    this sort of honesty gives me hope after all in the age of obama. it’s like the television show ‘the wire’. it’s creators are avowed leftist, but they know the subject matter and were honest about it; and, therefore, created something that honestly showed what has gone wrong in our inner cities.


  54. on January 23, 2009 at 5:31 pm jonathanjones02

    Now this was a fisking. Damn.


  55. on January 23, 2009 at 5:37 pm levi johnston

    Tood,

    An Indian female’s skin is probably their WORST feature – oily (like blacks) and acne prone (like ginger white girls). Also, south indian chicks have extremely frizzy hair that seems to get all over the place when you fuck them.

    Great features and good hygiene tho.


  56. “In this day and age, being short is a bigger handicap for men than race. i.e. a tall Asian man has it better than a short white man.”

    This is very true. Ive grown more and more aware of how self conscious and pissed off short guys are — for pretty good reason as height will make up for a lot of other deficiencies.

    Lance, does Obama strike you as dishonest? I’m sure you could come up with some things, but while its early, he has so far to be more honest than any other president I can remember.


  57. My general impression is that black men are just less picky on average when it comes to looks.

    Given the ugly girls that I’ve seen older brother associate himself with, I’d be tempted to say that’s true, but I’ll refrain from making any wider assumptions based on that given his previous and current state.

    Of course, if one believes that black women are mostly unattractive, then the theory plays out in a situation where black men have become accustomed to ugly women, and thus, are more likely to find ugly women attractive.

    Interestingly, as I’ve stated, I’ve met plenty of black women with great bodies, but the women have a ugly face, which in some cases, one could describe as very masculine…


  58. Tood

    > Just give it a decade. You’ll see.

    Then you agree with my statement? :

    > I’ve seen the trajectory and it’s exponential and crazy-ass steep. Catch up to average American levels might not happen overnight. But 10 years? Easy.

    LOL. The internet can be a bitch, even when we agree.


  59. 1. What about the thrill of the other? If someone has a fantasy about dating outside their race, but are restricted in that—i.e. because black men are generally poorer and less educated and violent, fewer middle/upper class non-black girls see them as dating partners—then they lower their standards.

    So this older white slut becomes good enough for them, at least for one night.

    2. As another idea: as anyone who’s been with a cougar knows, they are incredibly insecure and easy to manipulate.

    Black men also know that nonblack women will put up with more shit from them than a black woman will simply out of culturally-inspired fear and some whacked out pc-liberal SWPL notion that “black guys are allowed to act like that, even though other guys I would shut down.”

    So combine the two and you have this woman, who probably sleeps with guys who steal from her and tell her to shut up , aand stays with them out of fear and desperation. For a black guy, she’s very easy pickings.

    And let’s not forget black guy’s well worn love of “the booty.” White women develop “black booty” in middle age.

    3. Since we’re on the race thing, I wonder how it got to this point. Certainly blacks couldn’t have always had more testosterone than other races, simply because someone had to have the heavy hand in the slavery eras; otherwise, blacks would have simply overpowered slave owners.

    Me thinks that the removal of white lower classes combined with the emphasis on violent behavior in black movements (think the Panthers) has led to a point where self-selection in mating has produced an imbalance that wasn’t there in, say, 1900 or 1800.

    Remember: the Roman elites were once famous for leading charges into battle and being bloodthirsty alpha tyrants–willing to literally bite an opponents nose off in battle, or rip their neck with their teeth. That was during the height or growth periods of the empire. During the crumble, no elites took to the battle lines, and engorged themselves in food/sex orgies and were renown for their effiminate nature. Atilla the Hun would have been resoundly whipped had he faced Scipio Africanus in his prime.

    This pattern tends to repeat itself in empire-building nations. Viscious, manly alphas at first, then becoming weak and womanish as time goes on. The whole “Oriental despot” image, for example, of being fat, surrounded by silks and pillows and high on opium came centuries after their Mongol and Arab and Persian ancestors were piling skulls outside of city walls and throwing children to tigers.

    Racial groups, it seems, tend to be victims of their own success.


  60. on January 23, 2009 at 5:43 pm jurassic.park

    @ roissy

    “couching her involuntary transformation and “personal growth” in a heap of lies…
    which i happily eviscerated.”

    yeah, but why? Is she your mother? Why are you emotionally invested in the rapid manufacture of proper cat ladies?


  61. i would be an outlier. i’ve dated nearly as many non white girls as white girls.
    as for this slag, she’s doing what those same white trash chicks do, taking the rod where she can find it, while doing what women have mastered, which is rationalizing her way to enjoying it and justifying it for all (herself) to see.

    and yeah, it sucks for black women. so few white guys date them, and black men will typically jump ship for even the most busted of white broads given the opportunity. as i prefer indian and brazilian women……they can have all the white and/or black women they like.


  62. “Then you agree with my statement? :

    > I’ve seen the trajectory and it’s exponential and crazy-ass steep. Catch up to average American levels might not happen overnight. But 10 years? Easy.”

    Sort of agree. But it will take a full 10 years. Not less. The generational strata has to adjust. The innate Indian xenophobia has to fade. Grooming/fashion habits have to sink in for Indian men AND women.

    As the fashion sense/fitness habits of Indian women rise, the ability of Indian men to game White/Chinese chicks also rises (Newton’s third law of motion).


  63. Circumcision: being that I was born in Europe and not Jewish, well, no knife has ever been anywhere near my johnson.

    Since about 2/3 of the girls I’ve slept with were American, I’ve noticed that a few were surprised to see a natual man, since they were used to circumcised ones. However, in every single case they said that it feels better going in.

    That of course can be chalked up to the fact that the girls were being nice. Except that one, they all sounded like they meant it. And two, why else would all of them say the same thing, if they were just being nice?

    If your religious tradition doesn’t compell you to snip your boy, don’t do it. I’m not.


  64. Again, I think Black Woman have it bad due to the high prevalence of obesity in them. That is the main reason, nothing more.

    A moderately hot black woman would be the right basis to compare racial advantage/disadvantage from.


  65. on January 23, 2009 at 5:54 pm Willard Libby

    lullzzz – roissy ftw big time

    No kidding. But when your opponent is Susan Crain Bakos it’s easy to get a vicious first round knockout.

    whiskey – It’s worth noting that Black MEN find Black women dating outside the race a very bad thing, and some have resorted to extreme lynching type violence. The case of the Camp Pendleton Marines (all Black) who tortured and did other terrible things the their Sergeant (a White, Polish emigre) and his Black Wife (studying to be a Doctor) out of racial animosity is a case in point.

    “Other terrible things” would be gang rape and double murder. Another example of a crime which would have receive intense coverage and moral outrage if the people involved were racially switched.

    Thursday – The only relatively unmixed West African black woman of great attractiveness I can think of is Naomi Campbell, though she has a bit of Chinese blood.

    Garcelle Beauvais is unmixed West African descended Haitian American.

    For an older woman she still is above average looking for a woman of any race.

    Her White husband looks blah.


  66. > “I think it is evidence that the social class of sex partners does matter for men [and not just women] to a very real extent. ”

    I agree.

    I’ve seen Indian and Chinese doctors do incredibly well with White girls in their extended social circle, even when they’ve had minimal game. Much better than, say, software engineers.

    Game still counts, though. Drop the average one of these MDs in a club and it’s epic fail. Drop (the rare but increasingly common) one of these guys with game in a club… and it’s alpha time.


  67. on January 23, 2009 at 5:54 pm 3point5 james

    Nice Roissy – I am a white male 27 y/o and want nothing to do with black women…I chalked it up to thinking that a black women could not produce offspring that I would be even remotely proud of, do you really want a black whale raising your extensions?

    F* this “sex columnist” – she is in her own little world – but if it wasnt for her, I would have no motivation tonight…

    happy hunting…


  68. “they are definitely thrill/joke fucks,”

    LOL, I love the phrase “joke fuck”. I’m going to have to find a way to use that phrase in polite company seeing the reaction I get. Perhaps during the superbowl (I have to go to a superbowl party with a bunch of stuffy up-tight eurotrash people) when all the viagra ads are on, I’ll have to say something about needing Viagra so I can “joke fuck” horse-faced women for kicks. I can’t wait. I’m sure calling a woman a “joke fuck” is far worse than calling her a “slut”.


  69. again with the amatuer social science on these comments.

    from levi:
    An Indian female’s skin is probably their WORST feature – oily (like blacks)

    black people do not have oily skin. black skin is quite dry, which is why black people use a lot of lotion and vaseline. this is why black people get ashy skin in the winter. look it up on urban dictionary or something.


  70. While Agnostic, befitting his Scots-Irish side, has a taste for booty, being part Japanese might not his taste for teenagers be somewhat genetic in origin. IIRC, the Japanese have a fetish for schoolgirl/teen porn and a liking for small, cute things in general.

    My mom’s side is Scots-Irish, and dad’s is French and Japanese. So yes, I was predestined to be a pugnacious pervert.

    The young girl thing is heritable — my father and one of my two brothers have always dug the PYTs. When my dad remarried, she was a blonde 10 to 15 years younger and 3 inches taller than him who had a very girly demeanor.

    This could well have come from the French side, though — my father’s father. It was he who chose the bashful young Japanese chick while stationed over there. And the French certainly are obsessed with adolescent girls — you’re a lit and film buff, so I don’t need to go on there.

    Basically, it’s only the most civilized places, like the Germanic and perhaps northern Slavic groups, who don’t dig teenagers.

    It’s not just a “cute little thing” thing, either. It’s a paradox thing too, like how they can be so cute and sweet yet so savagely lustful.


  71. on January 23, 2009 at 6:02 pm Willard Libby

    Here’s an interesting article on a theory of long term evolutionary reasons for differing rates of “Game” among racial groups.

    Paternal Provisioning versus Mate Seeking in Human Populations

    Paternal investment theory suggests that in cold climates males were selected for provisioning, rather than for mating success.

    In warm climates, where female gathering made male provisioning unessential, selection was for mating success. Male hunted meat was essential for female winter survival.

    Genes that encouraged mating success were selected for in warm (was cold) climates. Negroids (blacks) evolved in warm cold climates, while Caucasians (whites) and Mongoloids (Asians) evolved in colder climates.

    Mating is assisted by a strong sex drive, aggression, dominance, sociability, extraversion, impulsiveness, sensation seeking, and high testosterone.

    Provisioning is assisted by anxiety, altruism, empathy, behavioral restraint, gratification delay, and a long life span.

    Explanations are offered for racial differences in many personality characteristics, hormone levels, monamine oxidase levels, testosterone levels, lactase dehydrogenase metabolic paths, life spans, prostate cancer rates, hypertension, genital (penis and testes) size, vocal frequencies, liver size, muscle structure, mesomorphy, bone density, sports performance, crime rates, rape, child abuse, earnings, age at first sexual activity, AIDs, illegitimacy, divorce, marriage, and polygyny rates.

    Eye color correlations are discussed. Negro family structure in the Caribbean and the U.S. may reflect selection in Africa during hunter-gather times. Comparison is made with differential K theory and father absence theories.


  72. Indians do NOT have oily or acne-laden skin. Your sample size is too small if you think that.

    They have far fewer blemishes than white women. Fewer freckles, less acne, fewer moles.

    About 60% of white women have freckles around/above their cleavage. This is a big turnoff for me.


  73. Now, this is an interesting post. Surprised it hasn’t generated more discussion. Here’s my take. Darwinism.
    American blacks are amongst the most athletic and physically fit in the world. This has a lot to do with slavery. Only the most physically fit were brought to the Americas from Africa. They had to survive a six month transatlantic voyage where only the strongest survived and once in the Americas, they were forced to do back breaking manual labor. This went on for 200 years. As a result, they are physically fit. Are we really surprised that they dominate in athletic pursuits? Muscle is more a masculine feature and hence black women are perceived more masculine.
    To a somewhat lesser degree, Hispanics (in America) are also subject to these forces as well since they are now the ones doing the physically demanding manual labor. There are many well built hispanic men out there.
    Indians and Asians (here in America) tend to be very well educated and as a result have well paying occupations. This is not because all Indians and Asians are brilliant. If that were the case, their respective countries would be doing much better than they are. Their brilliance is a reflection of a filtered immigration policy, namely the H1B visa program. This has a huge impact on the Indian population here in the US. While other Asians have been emigrating to the US for many years (many Chinese were brought to build railroads), Indians are relative newcomers and have largely emigrated through the H1B visa program or through entry at some post graduate program. Indian Americans are very well educated and have well paying jobs but there are plenty of stupid Indians in India.
    The American caste system. Of course, white people are stratified across the board. Smart ones, dumb ones, athletic and non-athletic. Can’t really generalize white people.


  74. Actually, this is a great line for game :

    “Who is more racist, women or men?”

    I think that is a great component to use during Game, particularly in the Age of Obama.


  75. Fun topic; combines this crowd’s interest in sex differences with gnxp/Steve Sailer racialism.

    I agree with Roissy that there is probably a preference to mate within the race. As an Asian, for example, I place less emphasis on the T&A, which seems to be the obsession of white and (especially) black men, and in which Asian girls are notably deficient.

    That said, there is also on top of that a racial hierarchy; black men are most desirable and Asian men the least, while Asian women are most desirable and black men the least. In both cases Whitey is in between, in the classic order. Fundamentally it probably has to do with testosterone; definitely some biological effect, though I think there’s still insufficient data to be as certain about the exact cause as some of the commentators are.

    But even as an Asian male I don’t feel terribly victimized by nature. Because of racial preferences, the effect size is small; of about 300 acquaintances, I know of 6 AF/WM couples, and 3 WF/AMs. And this is at a fancy liberal-arts university. White competition for Asian females is far down the list of things I’m worried about, and people of both sexes and all races whining about other races “stealing” their women/men are probably just frustrated with their own failure and seeking out a convenient target.

    Roissy touches upon another point though, which is culture. And this really is what accounts for much of the variation in racial preferences. Black men, as Roissy pointed out, probably have the top natural game of the major races, given that their culture tends to be more aggressive and tolerant of masculinity than mainstream America.

    Asian culture, by contrast, is more restrained and sedate. Our parent’s generation, born out of the country, largely met through friends or at low-energy scenes; the fast-paced nightclub and urban anonymity were unknown to them. This didn’t mean that they had no game; humans are humans all ’round, and women still respond to the same behaviors, but it does mean that their methods were less aggressive, and restrained by societal ideals of politeness and respect.

    Now of course this is changing throughout Asia, and it makes interesting study for sociologists. What it means for us, the second generation, though, is that we were brought up with an idea of sex relationships ill-adjusted to aggressive Western game. When people see Asian men as wimpy, that’s less a judgment on their testosterone as a difference in the culture they were raised in. But people aren’t stupid, and the majority of my friends have levels of game comparable to or (for science majors) greater than their peers.

    So race does play a role in the sexual market, but both because the effect size is small, and because people prefer to date in-race, it’s not likely to have any macro-level effects. Those who say otherwise likely have a personal agenda, whether to bemoan their own position or to lionize the sexual superiority of their own race.


  76. Correction: The majority of my Asian friends have good game, etc. IE people learn what’s needed to succeed socially in the culture they live in, so this effect cannot last long.


  77. I see hot Asian and black chicks, but it’s clear to me where my strongest preferences lie.

    This is part of growing up. When you’re young, you aren’t planning on marrying or raising kids — just fucking whoever you can and letting someone else deal with the problem (her, a cuckolded dude, etc.).

    That’s probably why guys are much more into the exotic girls when they’re about 15 to 25 or 30, but then focus more on same-race women afterward. I’ve noticed this change just within the past year (from 27 to 28), and not just because there aren’t a lot of honey-skinned Persian chicks out here in the Mountain Time Zone for me to chat up.

    Michael Blowhard says the same thing: chased Italian and Jewish girls while young, then married a blonde.

    As much as the over-25 guys may want to pretend, the urge to commit long-term is a lot stronger than before — hence all the preoccupation about identifying non-sluts, women with integrity, and so on.

    Anyway, here’s a way to test what causes white guys’ increasing focus on white women — is it the same for black men? If the cause has something to do with being with someone of the same race, then black guys should chase white girls when young but then want more and more to settle down with a black woman.

    If the cause has something to do with wanting a woman who’s stable, chaste, etc., when you get around to marriage, then black guys should do the opposite — chase around black girls when young and then want to marry a white woman.


  78. American blacks are amongst the most athletic and physically fit in the world. This has a lot to do with slavery. Only the most physically fit were brought to the Americas from Africa. They had to survive a six month transatlantic voyage where only the strongest survived and once in the Americas, they were forced to do back breaking manual labor. This went on for 200 years. As a result, they are physically fit. Are we really surprised that they dominate in athletic pursuits? Muscle is more a masculine feature and hence black women are perceived more masculine.

    The real reason American Blacks are more athletic than African blacks is more likely that they have better nutrition. They also happen do live in a country with an Anglo-Saxon sports tradition, that invented or codified almost every sport played world wide.
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/11/black-athletes-and-testosterone.html


  79. BTW Agnostic, have you watched Pauline at the Beach yet.

    Also, I know I shouldn’t be encouraging you, but you might want to check out some of Colette’s novels about young girls, such as Gigi and the Claudine novels.


  80. I simply do not get the rise in ass-obsessed men in the last 10-15 years. I can only attribute this to the influence of black pop music (i.e. rap), which constantly emphasizes booty. I think the preference shook down to listeners.

    The bigger the ass, the worse the girl. Nothing like a good tight ass you can spank hard (because they feel it more). They’re connected to shapely thin legs, usually long too.

    Big ass women are useless and ugly. Maybe its the rise in anal sex, brought on by gay men’s influence, that makes it so appealing, too. But a woman with a fat ass is just a fat chick. Maybe her top can help balance her out, but she’s already behind the eight ball.

    I’m a leg man myself. At a strip club once, a stripper leaned over during a dance and asked me, “So, are you a tit man or an ass man?”

    I said, “Neither, I’m a leg man.”

    She said, “You’re a dying breed.”

    I can remember as a little kid, when Sesame Street had the Rockettes on, with their bare legs high stepping, getting all excited. So much hotter than some overweight little hoochie mama just turning around and shaking her fat-filled crap hole at me.

    Not hot. Not hot at all.


  81. Brilliant!


    There is no way this gross disgusting old hag who hit the wall so hard she is on the other side of it is attracting any sort of white man except the bottom of the barrel dregs who will dump a fuck in her distended flabby hole because they can’t afford an internet connection to whack off to porn outside of the public library.

    Is the key phrase, destroying her argument.


    Of the BM-WF couples I do see, I notice two different types: The Maury Povich who’s-the-daddy fat white trash girl with the thug, and the hot blonde, usually European girl with the handsome, well-dressed, and educated-looking yuppie black man. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground between those two types.

    I HOPE you are right, and that an Obama presidency isn’t going to push a bunch of SWPL women into the arms of black men looking for “change”.

    Either way, testosterone is key. Steve Sailer blogged it, Half Sigma, Maloy, and now the famous Roissy.

    JP Rushton comes full circle!


  82. Blacks only dominate the low-budget athletic pursuits (i.e. those than can be practiced on the cheap) : Boxing, Running, basketball, football.

    They are quite absent from high-budget sports : Rowing, Fencing, Golf, Swimming, Diving, Cycling, Ice Hockey. Anecdotes like Tiger Woods are a rare exception, and is only 50% black.


  83. As much as the over-25 guys may want to pretend, the urge to commit long-term is a lot stronger than before — hence all the preoccupation about identifying non-sluts, women with integrity, and so on.

    I dunno. I used to care more about how many men a girl had been with when I was young than now. Perhaps the passing of youthful idealism. And it is amazing how many young people, both male and female, idealize getting married while you are both virgins.

    Of course, except in a few subcultures, it doesn’t much happen anymore.


  84. “Thank Heaven for Little Girls” — lol.

    No, I canceled Netflix awhile ago, but I still remember the Rohmer recommendation.

    Novels… hmmm, I wish I had more time for fiction reading. For now, I’m content with movies and painting.


  85. I canceled Netflix awhile ago

    Try here or here.


  86. This could well have come from the French side, though — my father’s father. It was he who chose the bashful young Japanese chick while stationed over there. And the French certainly are obsessed with adolescent girls — you’re a lit and film buff, so I don’t need to go on there.

    Now that you think about it the French (Rohmer, Colette, Duras) do has some of that. Besides the Japanese though, it’s Latin America where that is really a part of the culture. For example, Gabriel Garcia Marquez tends to write a fair bit about sex with 14 year olds.


  87. Ironrailsweights- lookup ‘city air effect’. City air is unstable and hotter- hot air rises- lots of random updrafts, but unstable, varying with individual buildings.
    A tornado is the tip of a big updraft- generally from a sudden push of cold air over a previous, stable parcel of hot air. That can cause hot air to rise so fast there’s a vortex at the bottom.
    Land is still cheap enough to build a trailer park on the outskirts of a city- far enough out so the city air effect hasn’t kicked in yet. Tornadoes hit farms too, but one farmhouse at a time doesn’t hit the news.
    Back to GNP!


  88. So I have read this web site with a mixture of amusement, concern and some pity.

    Sometimes Roissy makes good points but other times this blog/comments section is full of pseudo-intellectual, racist crap.

    This is one of those times.

    I am a black man. Gainfully employed and have lived and played in NYC for the past 6 years.

    This is some racist shit, but hey whatever keeps you happy.

    I do understand that a lot of people who read the original article feel threatened… and so you attack black men and of course, white women who date and fuck them.

    I am a black man who dates interracially and I have slept with over 50 women, the vast majority of whom have been white.

    Sometimes, as a black man all you want is a fuck or a blowjob on a friday night… and quality control is not at the top of the list. Sometimes it is a class thing or a stick to the man thing for some brothers. Other times, pussy is just pussy.

    However speaking for myself and other professional brothers – when it comes to choosing a girlfriend or a wife, those of us who prefer the Caucasian persuasion will go out and get the hottest one we can. I’d show pictures but that would annoy some of my friends.

    So Gentlemen, say whatever you need to say to keep yourselves happy. If you were true players, there would be no need to bash this lady. All you’d need to do would be to point out the flaws in her argument and move on.

    Lest I forget, you guys(Old white america) invented the myth of the super hung, animalistic black man not because it was true but because there was a concern that black men would do what white men had done for centuries – sleep with their women – and lord knows the USA couldn’t have that.

    You don’t like black women (and I myself am not attracted to most) – FINE.

    But this discourse could be on a higher level, without all this unacceptable and laughable race talk….

    I am sure if that if this was an article by some some teeny asian woman expounding on the pleasures of caucasian men, most of you keyboard jockeys panties would not be in a twist, nor would you be as offensive.


  89. the hottie standing on the right.

    Wow you have really low standards for “hottie”.


  90. Well according to Cochran and Harpending we Euros have some Neanderthal genes. Africans don’t. So our mating styles are slightly different.


  91. 646Hedgie,

    But your grammar is good, so you are not really black (this is what white liberals have told be to believe).


  92. Wow you have really low standards for “hottie”.

    my hottie target acquisition system was temporarily miscalibrated by the glaring contrast with the seacow standing next to her.


  93. Roissy: i love the post, you have a interesting dichotomy between intellectual thought and extreme bitterness and anger towards people. not sure why that is but it is very interesting.


  94. “Yes. This is indeed why a lot of South and East Asian men will rocket from the bottom of the market value hierarchy to the top, in a relatively short time. These same traits induce them to put effort into learning Game.”

    I’ve noticed more Asian guys and Indian guys with white girls lately in NYC. The guys really aren’t much to write home about and are generally average or shorter. I don’t really understand it, because I always just assumed average Asian guys were shut out of white girls.

    Tood, do you think more higher-class white women will start going for higher-class Asian guys? If so, what will higher-class white guys do in return?


  95. on January 23, 2009 at 7:17 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Whether the circumcision activist is right or not is beside the point.

    The point is: why do American met allow their bodies to be modified without their consent, when the AMA has proven their is no medical reason for it?

    Oh wait — I know! Because DA WIMMIN like it! If the genders were reversed would this even be allowed?

    For this reason alone, anyone who supports circumcision is a Beta and an idiot (or a religious moron).


  96. ” I always just assumed average Asian guys were shut out of white girls.”

    Until recently, they were.

    Again, major economic and cultural forces of globalization change things. In the 80s, India’s image was poverty, due to Mother Teresa advertising the worst Indian poverty to the Western media. This harmed the prospects of Indian men for decades. Now, India’s ‘brand’ has more social value. China’s too.

    “Tood, do you think more higher-class white women will start going for higher-class Asian guys?”

    When both parties are very-high-class (millionaires), race has always mattered the least.

    But to answer your question, yes. White women are figuring out that these guys are smart. Plus, being ‘globally aware’ is a fashionable thing now. The craze in Yoga, tea drinking, accupuncture, massage, etc. are all part of this.

    BUT you STILL must achieve moderate mastery of Game. This always trumps everything else.

    The good news is that this will force Chinese and especially Indian women to do more to compete too, which they have so far been very derelict on (teeth for Chinese women, fashion sense, hairstyle, and body shape for Indian women).


  97. I meant “higher-class” as educated professional, not super-rich.

    If more white women go for Asian guys, white men are disadvantaged. how should white men prevent this occurrence?

    As for who is “smart”, Asians are only 4 IQ points smarter than white gentiles on average, and maybe 5 IQ points dumber than Jews on average. Plus, some white women fuck blacks, and “smarts” are certainly not the attraction there.

    How is the best way to crash course in “Game”?


  98. Dear God…………..I watched a bit of that video.

    That woman is elderly and should be a grandmother or possibly even a great grandmother by now. To think that she is **into** her sex-life at that age and openly thinking about it all the time gives me the Dr. Ruth Westheimer-sized creeps.

    Remember a few years backs folks when one of those old ugly feminist had some hardcore lesbian S&M porn fall out of her purse at an airport? It wasn’t Gloria Steinem, it was one of the really ugly ones, not Dworkin, not MacKinnon, ….aha! It was Betty Friedan.

    Betty Friedan, who is almost as ugly as Helen Thomas (who should have been cast in the role of “the Penguin” in the Batman series), uses vibrators and gets off on lesbo S&M porn. Limbaugh, who isn’t nearly as funny as he once was, had quite a few laughs over that one. The mere mental thought of that old crone “being sexual” was pitiful to me.

    There is a time to hang it up methinks. This old broad must have a vivid imaginination if she can picture (project) herself as young and attractive. Im sorry, flame me all you want, but if I was butt ugly, OLD, and single, I think I’d develop other interests and vocations to have a positive effect on the world around me other than attempting to excercise my libido.

    My guess is that the black men who are willing to hump her have better imaginitive powers than other men and are thinking about younger hotter women while humping her aged rolls of flesh. At least she cant get pregnant at her age. She should be concerned with the loving and caring of her grandchildren…………………………..oops I forgot, she probably doesn’t have any and hence her concentration on a meaningless sex life in geritol-land.

    This is sad.


  99. on January 23, 2009 at 8:21 pm Willard Libby

    Liberal – 646Hedgie, But your grammar is good, so you are not really black (this is what white liberals have told be to believe).

    Never, ever underestimate the number of White liberal dorks – and Asians – who pretend to be black on the internet.


  100. Too interesting… the guy who hoped that India and Asia are saved from this weird Game sh*t int he West, Im with you brotha. Give me a hardworking, honest, simple yet super successful Indian man any day over some wannabe alpha.

    Indian and Asian women are smarter than average, no? That’s why they figure out faster than other chicks to go for the RICH beta – white, of their own race, etc.

    The Asian women going for whites… I definitely think its a Western obsession. Or that particular Asian woman isnt pretty enough to get the top 10% of Asian guys.

    As an Indian woman I can tell ya… most of the Indian girls who date out are either: a) decent to pretty status climbers marrying a future rich/old money white guy (e.g. Hill staffers, some Medical Doctors/Lawyers) b) too ugly to get an Indian man because for Indian people looks are usually 99% of a woman’s value (not including good old fashioned making of family alliances where looks matter a little less but rich families tend to have prettier daughters either by birth of by the surgeon!)


  101. Here’s another picture of her which is more flattering.

    http://www.gandalf.com.pl/authors/m/6807.jpg


  102. Tiger Woods is less than 50% black (there’s some Cherokee on his Dad’s side) and actually 50% Asian so if anything, Tiger Woods should more appropriately be called an Asian American golfer.

    This makes more sense given the huge numbers of Asians in golf (South Korean women dominate the LPGA) and the dearth of blacks in golf.


  103. OK my comment was a bit unreadable… basically just trying to say in many traditional Asian cultures, the top 10% (just picking an arbitrary value here) of guys in terms of power and money tend to marry the top 10% of girls in terms of looks/feminity/etc. There are plenty of exceptions with the arranged marriage universe in terms of family alliances. I know of one very rich Indian doctor [making 500K+] who wanted someone very pretty and a doctor like him more for furthering his career – so he said no to the gorgeous ex-model and yes to the sweet looking but just pretty MD.

    Im guessing the guys here in the US who are going to Game workshops are probably not as well connected to the Indian community to pull the top 10% of girls either by family connections, social circles, etc. Although Indian Doctor boys are well known for having groupies… STRANGE that they feel they need game. (Many Indian girls got smart though and focused on ibanker/privat equ/etc. recently – the recent crises notwithstanding.)

    Women can have as much Game as men… Indian and Asian women are catching up. The ones I know who married the richest of the rich are not so stupid to risk them with affairs with alphas… and marrying a boring guy tends to lower the drive too so they wouldnt even be that motivated by the alpha.


  104. Roissy — I am glad that you are exploring the racial element of game and relationships. You have great insights into unmasking the lies that permeate society and interracial relationships is one arena that could use more analysis.


  105. Hehe, I remember discussing potential races of men with my rather unique mother the other day:
    Asian men were weak/short/of small “inches”,
    black men were ??? (I think there was simply a look of disbelief or a sound of disgust,I don’t know how to interpret that there may’ve been something about not knowing how to treat a woman),
    middle eastern men were impotent,
    indian subcontinent men were neurotic
    and white men were betas (She expressed this — not knowing the ‘beta’ classification — by imitating an acquaintance saying ‘darling, shall I cook dinner tonight?’ with dripping contempt and saying how white women had their guys whipped).

    That leaves precisely no race in general, that is attractive. If we really do have to go there, and be incredibly racist.

    I sometimes read this blog to remind myself to avoid men, for each shall have flaws that I cannot force my frozen heart to overlook. While it’s interesting to look at racial trends, every person deserves their own individual assessment due to all sorts of outside factors. Regardless of that, there are certain commonalities within all males that make me freeze with fear at letting them have any control over me or my life. I tried that, it failed miserably, one cannot just recover. I think women were built for more monogamous states than you’d think, and that falling apart just messes up their psychology.

    Black skin and big lips on a guy creep me out since my ex… which makes me think there must be some sort of latent racism swimming around in me, or else why would I associate all black skin with one guy? I used to wonder before then about it, a little, like I wondered about lots of things.

    Anyway, if any woman of any race wants a guy like if any person of any demographic wants a job, they’ve just got to do fantastic and beat all the ‘healthy’ competition.

    The rest of us can just all be happy with our cats, without having to be stuck with the 90% of the time soul-sucking ordeal a relationship between an unattractive female with a tenth-best-maybe man. From observation of couples from various groups and ages, I can happily declare that loneliness is much more preferable, despite common propaganda that being romantically alone is the worst fate on Earth.


  106. on January 23, 2009 at 8:47 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Hey look folks…Bhetti B is the female version of David Alexander…


  107. LOL! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


  108. Part II

    Looks, in general, are a reflection of good health. Good health, in general, is a reflection of wealth. Most western countries are wealthy and their citizen enjoy good health and in turn are generally good looking. Most western nations are predominantly white. Thus there are more good looking white people than there are good looking people of other races.

    There are other factors that come into play. Certain peoples are better looking than other peoples. I’ve found that I consider East African blacks are more attractive than West African blacks. Of course that may be due to the fact that they’ve mixed with the Arabs/Middle Easterners. I find the Spanish to be the best looking of the Europeans. Of course, they also mixed with Middle Easterners having been ruled by the Moors for over 200 years. I think the English are some of the ugliest white people around.

    I think most of the blacks in America are of West African descent. I don’t find them particularly attractive. As with everything, though, there are exceptions.

    Getting back to the actual post. Yes, she’s ugly as fuck. She is taking advantage of the fact that many black men like to bang white women with little regard for the fact that the white women in question may be uglier than a fact cow with leprosy.

    There are many factors in the game of courtship/mating/love/sex.


  109. “Tiger Woods is less than 50% black (there’s some Cherokee on his Dad’s side) and actually 50% Asian so if anything, Tiger Woods should more appropriately be called an Asian American golfer.

    This makes more sense given the huge numbers of Asians in golf (South Korean women dominate the LPGA) and the dearth of blacks in golf.”

    Yeah, but black culture “owns” him. I think asians getting Wu-Tang Clan in Dave Chappelle’s Racial Draft was a much better tradeoff though.


  110. Lurker — Ghenghis Khan, Attila the Hun, the Arab cavalry, would have made mincemeat of the Romans in their prime: Caesar, Scipio Africanus, and so on. Only Alexander would have given them fits. Because only Alexander used cavalry in large amounts. The Romans disdained cavalry and did not fare well against those who used cavalry.

    Otherwise, I agree. But the Romans also lacked lots of … well Romans. Particularly middling Romans who had the most to lose and fought ferociously.

    Willard — I figured wordpress’s filter would not let those through. That’s what I meant.

    A_C — Asians are small demographic slice. MOST Asian men are pretty frustrated, wrt dating, but it does not matter because there are relatively few Asians. Take the White majority and if most White men or even a lot of them are priced out of the dating market by preferences for men of other races, that’s a problem.

    Culture and restraints can change rapidly. Thirty years ago guys like Nick Hogan and Federline would have been laughed at beaten up by acquaintences. Now? These guys are heros, and women drape themsevles all over them.


  111. Regarding the races of women:

    8′s, 9′s, and 10′s are 8′s 9′s and 10′s.

    So while lots of asian chicks have flat butts, not all do. Within the groups Japanese and Chines, finding a girl with a nice apple butt is like …. oh man it’s like nothing else. They have all that lovely shiny black hair, hardly need to shave their legs, big-almond eye loveliness, plus a great ass.

    That’s what makes filipino-american girls the bomb. Straight-outta-Luzon girls can be a little underfed or have fucked-up teeth or something, but take those genes and raise them in a healthy, middle-class American environment and it’s like God’s own private sex-harem. Perfect skin, cute little faces, and fanTASTic asses. A lot of them are crazy too, but I like crazy girls. They’re adorable.

    Sigh. Makes me miss the West Coast.


  112. I want to thank Roissy for introducing a most interesting topic within the context of Game, Social Dynamics, Race Realism, Evolutionary Psychology and the almighty Sexual Marketplace. Since I see the discussion humming right along, I’ll just add a few comments right now, and jump back in later on this evening.

    Roissy hits on some really good points in his argument in response to Bakos’ essay, however, he doesn’t quite answer full on some of her points and positions. For example, she clearly states that a huge part of the attraction for her and other White Women IS THE SEX. Simply put, Black Men can fuck better than can White, Asian or Hispanic Men, on average, all things being equal.

    Instead of dealing with whether this is true or not, however, Roissy takes shots at Bakos. True, I don’t find her attractive at all, and have always prided myself on being very selective as to the type and kind of Woman I’d get involved with; but no matter what the case, Bakos’ appearance is to me irrelevant. The question is, does her claims have merit?

    When it comes to laying the pipe, the answer is quite clear. And in an age where Women really don’t *need* guys for much else, little things like that matter.

    Still, Roissy notes some things that do beg addressing. Let’s quickly examine a few.

    W/o question, as he rightly notes, Brothas got Natural Born Game on lock. In fact, no dis to the R, but he can’t hold a candle to three Naturals I’ve mentioned here several times: Zam, Dave P the Haitian Superman, or Ricky The Cancer.

    Let me count the ways.

    Last Summer while attending a Hawaiian-theme Luau party at his invitation, I got the chance to see a vicious threeway catfight between two Sistas w/serious Rumpshakers, and a Latina whose long black hair touched her own prodigious booty cheeks, which peeked out from under the minidress she was wearing that night. Problem was that, and I didn’t find this out till after the fact the next day, ALL THREE WOMEN WERE BANGIN’ RICKY, and ALL THREE KNEW EACH OTHER. It was just they couldn’t decide who’d get him that night, and a fight broke out. Never, ever, saw anything like that before or since. And I’ve seen a lot.

    Zam doesn’t use a cellie to hold his props numbers in, or for that matter a little black book-he uses Excel spreadsheets. By his own count he lost count of the gals he’s banged around 500 over the past decade. That’s more than the whole of this forum’s members combined. Moreover, he has a hot to death bi-sexual gal who drives him to work and picks him up in the evening, AND, he’s also got this cute JAP outta state, chasing him around, beggin him to hit it. Unfortunately, being the Brotha Zam is, she was a bit too Booty Deficient for him to do the deed.

    And I don’t call Dave P the Haitian Superman for nothing. This guy can pull honest to goodness Dimes while waiting in the checkout aisle at Pathmark, in Dickies and in serious need of a cut. I’ve seen him do it. Numerous times. He’s also from Florida, St. Pete’s actually, and has been repeatedly hit on by Daytona Beach looking White chicks. He just ain’t into em like dat.

    My point in all this being, that, on balance, yea, the average Brotha is gonna have more Game than the average White guy, and id even go so as to say a White guy who’s got pretty good “Jedi assisted” Game skills.

    Yup, no doubt testosterone is behind it, which Roisssy expertly explains, and which explains the whole thing about Sistas. Note that they, like any other Woman *still get to choose* at the end of the day, and the deal is that for them, for the most part, no one matches Brothas for them. As Roissy notes, that’s both good, and bad.

    Are Black Men less discriminating than are other Men? I suppose so, taken as a group, and this would make sense, since, if getting laid a lot is your goal, you’re much more likely to meet your goal if you’re a bit lax on standards. But somehow im not too comfortable in giving Black Men the corner on bangin’ otherwise unattractive chicks. From where I sit I see plenty of White, Jewish, Asian and Hispanic guys happily bangin’ away at their Homely Sisters in DNA. So there.

    BUT, having said that, I have to agree, when Roissy notes that there are Brothas who will hump anything that moves who’s White. Tru dat. Having said that though, and again Roissy’s noted this, it ain’t *that* unsual to see a Brotha w/a White Hottie, or at least one that White guys consider as much. Y’all know me, most White chicks simply ain’t got no Back. Im just sayin’.

    So, why ARE there so few Brothas in attendance at liars, seminars etc, for Game? Well, the quick and easy answer is, duh, they don’t need it.

    That’s where I would disagree.

    One of the major reasons for the dearth of Brothas at these kinds of functions is due to a very real sense of anti-intellectualism on the part of many Brothas. And it is not w/o merit. Lots of Black Men have had very negative experiences with the learning experience and as a result get very turned off by such things. Moreover, the excessive Pride which many Black Men have will prevent themselves from learning from Game’s insights, relying instead on instinct. There they fail, badly.

    Another major stumbling block that Brothas have, is the tendency to rely on natural talents. It promotes laziness, and that’s something I’ve always worked extra hard to root outta me. So when I heard about the chance to literally “up” my Game, it was an offer I couldn’t refuse. Simply put, my goal is to wed my God given talent w/state of the art techology, giving me the kind of Rock Solid Game a target of mine can’t help but give up the panties. And when Brothas see one of their own doing something like that, believe me, it makes one heck of a statement. Did I mention that just about all the fellas on the job and my barber want me to order them The Game?

    Good stuff y’all. Let’s keep talking.

    The Obsidian


  113. Blacks only dominate the low-budget athletic pursuits (i.e. those than can be practiced on the cheap) : Boxing, Running, basketball, football.

    They are quite absent from high-budget sports : Rowing, Fencing, Golf, Swimming, Diving, Cycling, Ice Hockey.

    IIRC, the lack of black people in swimming is supposedly due to the quirk that blacks on average have more muscle mass than whites, which means blacks are more likely to drown in water since muscle is denser than fat and doesn’t float. I guess nature is racist…

    As for the other sports, they suffer from the fact that they’re expensive programmes to operate and maintain, and your average cash-strapped school district isn’t willing to pay for these programs. Basketball is not only cheap, but it’s highly popular which guarantees some ticket sales, and the athletes are interested in it because it’s a ticket to college and eventually for a lucky few, the NBA. Football is a bit more expensive, but can be played in city-owned fields in parks or on schools lucky enough to fit a field.

    Plus, one must note that with the exception of ice hockey, most of the sports in the high-budget category don’t lead to professional careers that are highly televised with big salaries and endorsements. Why would any athletic male teenager waste his productive years on a sport with no recognition and no money when there’s basketball and football for the big money.

    Interestingly, I suspect baseball has lost some of its luster because it’s no longer fun to waste away on a minor league baseball for little or no pay hoping for a major league team to find you. At least with college basketball and football, you get some TV time, and women chase you around on campus, and if your IQ is high enough, you may walk away with a degree in something. As for hockey, it suffers from it’s reputation as a “white” sport for Canadians, and most schools don’t have (and can’t afford) their own hockey rinks, it’s a moderately popular sport.

    I forgot, she probably doesn’t have any and hence her concentration on a meaningless sex life in geritol-land

    Yeah, she’s ugly, but if she’s having sex and enjoying herself, why does she need a bunch of grandchildren to keep her busy?


  114. I don’t have anything substantive to add but I must say that roissy’s race talk – literally one day after I was being called out for saying that PUA was philosophically entangled with race realism – makes me feel like a fucking intellectual PIMP.


  115. ai yai knows nothing of what she speaks. She is the typical woman who thinks a woman’s career is what makes her attractive to men, and that a woman learning ‘Game’ somehow gives her an advantage. A woman in Private Equity is somehow of higher value than a woman who is merely in Consulting. LOL.

    Classic gender confusion from an ABCD.

    95% of a woman’s appeal is her looks. It is true that an Indian man will choose an 8 that is a Doctor over a 10 who is a housewife, but the Doctor can be no lower than an 8. A Doctor who is a 5 or 6 does not get very far.

    An Asian or Indian man who studies Game is only because he does not have connections? LOL.

    Read the last part of the 7:26 PM comment. You will learn a lot.


  116. Check out this article in today’s NY Times — it’s actually pretty long, jargon-y, and hard to read but one of the basic premises is that women’s perception of what arouses them does not match what actually physically arouses them.

    In other words, women don’t know what they want.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp


  117. About the decline of civilizations, an early Roman general said the following:

    We must study War, so that our sons may study engineering, so that our grandsons may study poetry.

    No word on what he thought the great grandsons would study. But, I think we can guess what usually happens. Barbarian invasions or revolt of the slaves.

    My take on Asian men is simple. For centuries they didn’t need to be big and masculine to get wives. They needed family money, brains, and industry. And, the girls needed to be pretty. Darwin’s principles apply.


  118. I’ve read somewhere that we have an innate attraction to those with very different histocompatibility complexes as it gives rise to more robust immune systems in potential offspring. These differ by variation in genome and are more likely to be different in different races I understand.

    Apparently I am not in the majority but I far prefer ethnic women of all flavors to Caucasian women, with the caveat that they have to be hot, aka neotenic and feminine. As far as black/mixed women go Beyonce and Tyra are phenomenal. Generally though beauty trumps race all else equal.

    Personally I think Roissy doesn’t give Asian gals a fair shake in the ass department. Yes, many are flat, but so are many Caucasian women. I personally have found that while petite, Southeast Asian women often have wonderful curves and their own mini-ghetto booties, but proportional. Less so in the Northern Asian cultures but exceptions exist throughout.

    Histocompatibility complexes and human attraction:
    http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro06/web1/dmarck.html


  119. Formal hockey is expensive, making it out of the reach of a large portion of the black population in the US. Hockey skills require a lot of practice to develop and so not having a lot of ice time and time on task due to money constraints means that a very small portion of black americans ever have the chance to get to a proficient level.

    Also, unlike many of the other sports like basketball, football, etc…being successful in hockey is less dependent on fast twitch muscle fibers. Also there is a greater benefit to endurance in hockey than there is in football or basketball. West-africans (i.e. most US black people) tend to have a larger portion of fast twitch muscle fibers and smaller lung capacity than Caucasians. So some of the genetic advantages that blacks have in other sports aren’t as advantageous in hockey. So I think it is unlikely that blacks will become significantly over-represented in the NHL like they are in other sports.


  120. on January 23, 2009 at 10:56 pm ironrailsironweights

    Every race/ethnic group has their peculiar physiological differences.
    Blacks tend to have fuller buttocks, short torsos combined with longer legs. Asians tend to have longer torsos with shorter legs and flat asses, both men and women. Stand a black person and an Asian person of the same height next to each other and the black person’s waist line will be higher.

    As a big fan of mixed martial arts and boxing I’ve noticed a major difference between blacks and other races. You can see it in fights held at weights other than heavyweight. The fighters will be the same weight (they have to be, to meet weight limits), usually about the same height, and at equal, very high levels of fitness. Nonetheless, black fighter almost always have better muscle definition and an overall fit look than white, Hispanic or Asian fighters. It is for the most part not due to the fact that darker skin makes muscles stand out better. There definitely is a difference.

    Peter


  121. “In other words, women don’t know what they want.”

    Of course. That is the very mission statement of Game. Beta AFCs listen to what women say they want, do exactly that, and get nowhere.


  122. “I personally have found that while petite, Southeast Asian women often have wonderful curves and their own mini-ghetto booties, but proportional. ”

    YES. Vietnamese women do have quite a surprisingly round ass. Their booty gene is dramatically better than Chinese women.

    Taiwanese women also have a better ass than mainland Chinese women. More Western nutrition, I guess.

    Indian woman don’t have a good ass. It has mass, but lacks firmness. This is because Indian women don’t do aerobic exercise, and for centuries got away with wearing Sarees, which conceal the entire lower body.

    Even Bollywood actresses are rarely seen in pants, prefering Sarees. It is not easy to find a picture Aishwarya Rai with her ass clearly visible in pants (not saree), because her ass actually isn’t that good.


  123. whiskey

    Lurker — Ghenghis Khan, Attila the Hun, the Arab cavalry, would have made mincemeat of the Romans in their prime: Caesar, Scipio Africanus, and so on. Only Alexander would have given them fits. Because only Alexander used cavalry in large amounts. The Romans disdained cavalry and did not fare well against those who used cavalry.

    Bullshit.

    Aetius destroyed the Huns. Aetius was a Roman (Italian mother, Germanic father) general who rallied Europe to destroy the barbarian hordes of Asia, who were characterized by nomadism and mounted warfare. And at this time, Rome was not in its prime. Care for a retraction?

    Charles Martel faced the cream of the crop of Arab cavalry and wiped the floor with them. He didn’t have Roman numbers, either.

    Men, not horses, prevailed in the West. And it is Men who will prevail again.


  124. Obsidian – Simply put, Black Men can fuck better than can White, Asian or Hispanic Men, on average, all things being equal.

    Based on YOUR experience being fucked by black guys, Asian guys, Latino guys or White guys that is true for you and your White Momma Susan Crain Bakos.

    But this idea that any typical black male hood rat or fat ass bloated brotha in a suit with a real job automatically has all this “game” or lovemaking ability is nothing by an attempt by racially insecure black males to build up their threatened egos.

    Having game and being a good lover are two completely different things. And thinking you have one or both don’t make it true. I’m seriously thinking a whole hellava lot of people on this site are not only lying about their sexual experiences, I think some of them are virgins or have only had sex with prostitutes or drunks.


  125. Wellmer – Men, not horses, prevailed in the West. And it is Men who will prevail again.

    But those men made little men through sexual reproduction. The demographic shifts are undeniable.

    Low or no births among indigenous Europeans plus large third world immigration plus high non White births and miscegenation will change European demographics enormously.

    I see no plausible arguments to the contrary.

    As for warfare remember terrain matters. The M1 A1 tanks works great at 60 miles mph blowing away the enemy miles away. Put it at a checkpoint in an urban area and it loses to a dirtbag with an rpg.

    Put Gengis Khans boys in a thick European forest in 1300 and they would be in serious trouble.


  126. Normally this sort of shit from Roissy isn’t called for, but in this lady’s case…yeah, she asked for it.


  127. Tood – “I personally have found that while petite, Southeast Asian women often have wonderful curves and their own mini-ghetto booties, but proportional. ”

    YES. Vietnamese women do have quite a surprisingly round ass. Their booty gene is dramatically better than Chinese women.

    This “all Asian women have flat asses” is comparable to the submissive Asian woman stereotype. I think a lot of it is based on Japanese women who were raised on a low fat, low protein diet.

    I know some Asian ladies who are from SE Asia or of SE Asian ancestry and they are smallish but can be pretty thick in the booty or at least not skinny or flat. Nobody would confuse them with Serena Williams but still not flat by any means.

    The bigger thing with the Asian ladies is the short legs. That’s why so many wear heals even when out shopping at Costco.


  128. “Men all over the world love 0.7 waist-to-hip ratios.”

    Wrong.

    Absolutely wrong.

    You are lying.

    http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/figur/figur.htm

    That is from beautycheck.com, which I believe, is where you got your source for the beautiful face ideal, way to keep up with your sources.

    Only during the Renaissance has the 0.7 hips ratio come into style.

    Also it has always been different in other cultures.

    For example, why are beauty marks considered beautiful…Moles are tumors, cancer, the opposite of health.

    You are disappointing.

    Like most people who want to guide others you post things that are true and then slowly slide your own agenda in…that is what I call sleazy.

    Good for a laugh though.


  129. David Alexander –

    Agree with your take on athletics. Black men can do NPV calculations on how quickly and soon Strahan got paid vs. Michael Phelps, the money comes sooner, and bigger, for football vs. swimming. That’s why Blacks find swimming uninteresting. Not bone/mass density, but rather cost vs. payoff. Simple as that.

    Welmer — Crassus or Pompey, I forgot which, was anihillated by the Parthians. Cavalry. Martel fought a last-stand, with himself having all the advantages and the Arab cavalry none. It’s telling that the Arabs ran all over the Spanish Visigoth kingdoms, and for the next 100 years raided at will Southern France. Attila was stopped, not in the East but in the heart of France.

    When exposed, no favorable terrain to protect the flanks, cavalry forms the decisive edge to protect the flanks. Martel had ground that could not be flanked.

    Willard — the Mongols indeed found that their tremendous compound bows fell apart in Europe’s rainy climate, and their ponies got bogged down in the mud. Which is why Europe was not conquered when so many others were.


  130. Be more pithy.


  131. Thursday: ADHD people tend to be very good in the moment and it is amazing to see this guy make up conversation out of nothing. On the other hand, he lives hand to mouth and his life is a complete mess.

    Yup. I’m ADHD and the two parts of game I had to teach myself were how to start conversations and how to end conversations (much harder). I can’t imagine how anyone who isn’t a cyborg can keep track of everything in Mystery method and that stuff.

    And even I don’t know how I manage to subsist and everything in my life is a complete mess.

    On the other hand, people on the farmer end of things, i.e. nerds, tend to have autism spectrum disorders. These people are far less adept at reading others’ minds, tend not to do well in the moment and therefore often do much less well with women.

    If it’s the other end of things then why are autism spectrum disorders and ADHD so commonly comorbid?


  132. 646HJH:

    I love when the brothas try to lie:

    1. “I am a black man who dates interracially and I have slept with over 50 women, the vast majority of whom have been white.”

    —Translation: I’ve slept with less than 25 women, 7 or 8 have been white.

    “Sometimes, as a black man all you want is a fuck or a blowjob on a friday night… and quality control is not at the top of the list.”

    —Yes, you are the only ones who feel this. Ever.

    “Sometimes it is a class thing or a stick to the man thing for some brothers.”
    —It’s ok for me to say this, because black people are oppressed.

    “However speaking for myself and other professional brothers -”
    —My job in the mailroom is awesome

    ” If you were true players, there would be no need to bash this lady.”
    —I’m keeping this quote if for when there’s an article about how bad black guys are in bed and how the racial stereotypes aren’t true. Then this sad little brother will hit the roof.

    “All you’d need to do would be to point out the flaws in her argument and move on.”
    –Major flaw: she can still pull down white men as easily as black. Flaw pointed out: she is a war pig. QED.

    “Lest I forget, you guys(Old white america) invented the myth of the super hung, animalistic black man”

    —I love black guys who never read Arabian Nights or the myths of Ancient Egypt and India.

    “not because it was true but because there was a concern that black men would do what white men had done for centuries – sleep with their women – and lord knows the USA couldn’t have that.”
    —Right. Because it goes on so much today as well, can’t you see that?

    “You don’t like black women (and I myself am not attracted to most) – FINE.”

    —Here’s my direct contradiction of my last statement. Thank you America, good night!

    “But this discourse could be on a higher level, without all this unacceptable and laughable race talk….”

    —Said the man engaging in race talk. Obama’s preacher, anyone?

    “I am sure if that if this was an article by some some teeny asian woman expounding on the pleasures of caucasian men, most of you keyboard jockeys panties would not be in a twist, nor would you be as offensive.”

    —Wrong. Sluts who degrade their own race and date another based on stereotypes are headcases to be avoided. They’re ugly, fat, addicted to some kind of substance, and most of all, self-loathing. I no more want to screw some Jew-hating jew or asian-hating asian, because they’re only allowing me to screw them because of some kind of mental disease, not desire.

    It’s an added bonus with you black guys, because you are so low-acting on average that if a girl wants you she is clearly a piece of trash.

    I do thank brothas like you for one thing: bringing the secret white whores out. Once upon a time, black guy loving girl would have kept it under wraps and married some unsuspecting white guy, all the while ghetto-chasing when he was out of town.

    Now, thanks to Hollywood and SWPL mindset of black superior/white inferior, a girl feels liberated and modern when she admits her self-loathing. Then she comes out and is railed on by every desperate brotha (like yourself).

    When she finally realizes that, since she’s only dating men based on race, she’s getting the bottom of the barrel, it’s too late: she’s lost her looks, and there’s already far too much proof of her ghetto-loving. Her only hope is to get some really unpicky black guy to have her. So I’m sure you’ll be getting the call from over-35 white girls looking for marriage soon enough. In a sense, you’re doing the whites (and asians and Indians, etc.) a favor by showing us the women far too trashy who had appeared classy.

    Whiskey–”Ghenghis Khan, Attila the Hun, the Arab cavalry, would have made mincemeat of the Romans in their prime: Caesar, Scipio Africanus, and so on. Only Alexander would have given them fits. Because only Alexander used cavalry in large amounts. The Romans disdained cavalry and did not fare well against those who used cavalry.”

    I really don’t know where you’re getting that idea from, but I think the topography of the situations plays a part. the Romans relied on infantry because they emerged and fought, initially, people like the Sabines and others in rocky areas, infantry was important. Ghengis Khan in Italy, with all technology being the same, would have met his match If Scipio were around; his armies were unprepared for such a war.

    Ghengis , of course, would have killed them on the plains and steppes, but that is where cavalry is useful. The Mongols lived on sweeping horse raids; disciplined infantry attack in close quarters don’t work so well on 1000 mile raids.


  133. Hi Willard,
    Mustve really struck a raw nerve to get a rise outta you like that, eh? Oh, btw-I just got finished reading the NYT article that was linked in this thread earlier-What Do Women Want? You might be interested to know, that the one Male who embodied all the things MOST desired by Women?

    Denzel Washington.

    Hmm.

    Still waiting for your Field Reports, sir.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian


  134. Hmm. I see there’s quite a bit of hatin’ and handwringin’ goin’ on here. Seems no one wants to actually argue the positions and points Bakos makes, rather is much more interested in personally attacking her. Ad Hom 101, anyone?

    There’s a number of Ladies present in the Forum. Shall we ask them what they think?
    Ladies:

    On average, who is sexier: Dieon Sanders, or Peyton Manning? Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis? Arsenio Hall, or Jimmy Kimmel? Steve Harvey, or Bobcat Goldthwait? Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman? Matt Damon, or Will Smith? Bruce Jenner, or Ussain Bolt? Michael Jordan, or Larry Bird?
    Tiger Woods, or Arnie Palmer? Denzel Washington, or Russell Crowe (keep in mind, that Denzel beat Crowe for the Oscar in 2000 for his excellent perfomance in Training Day-a true feat since Crowe was da bomb in Gladiator)? Wesley Snipes, or Colin Farrell? Forrest Whittaker, or Jack Black? Cuba Gooding Jr, or Tom Cruise? Lenny Bruce, or Richard Pryor? Jerry Seinfeld, or Eddie Murphy? Richard Jenni, or Jamie Foxx?

    Also, Ladies-and you can be anonynmous here-who is better in the sack, all things being equal, White or Black guys? Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil.

    I also want to deal with a few other points, since there’s this idea that the *only* White Women Brothas can pull are the ones White guys wouldn’t want anyway. Oooookaaaay….

    Heidi Klum, anyone? Taye Diggs’ squeeze-cant recall her name-anyone? Quincy Jones has been known to have some hotties in his day, same deal w/Belafonte and Poitier. And Snipes. And that’s just for starters.

    I’ve talked about my homie Zam. Well, he has an older brother who graduated near the top of his class at Brown. WHITE AND ASIAN WOMEN LOVE HIM, and no, they ain’t lookin’ nothing like Bakos, they all young and thin, just the way you White boys like em. In fact, he probably done banged more Asian hotties on two continents, since he’s been living in the UK for the past few years, than the vast majority of you dudes will ever see in your lifetime. Zam and his brother were born with the Booty Magnet Gene-and it works on way more than just Sistas.

    I have another close friend, who recently got engaged to a statuesque Sista. Before that, as a PhD candidate at Temple U and being Summa Cum Laude at Syracuse, he could pretty much write his own ticket among the Pixie Chicks you White boys love so much. And he did. Quite a bit.

    One of my mentors, a musician who’s toured w/some of the biggest names in the business, was having a ball in Europe and Japan. Need a layout why?

    Another of my mentors, a strikingly tall and thin Black Man-much like Obama but as dark as Miles Davis-would regularly have White Women Headshrinks throw themselves at him-married and single alike, across all age ranges. He’s a Social Worker w/his own programs running.

    And I want to address something else. We all agree that, a Woman’s choices drastically change once social consequences are removed or at least greatly reduced. This notion that White Women don’t go in for “Thug Niggas”? Bury it. I know for a fact they can, and DO. They just don’t want y’all to know about it. Best believe gals from the Hamptons and Martha’s Vineyard wanted some DMX and Tupac and Nelly type action, too. I wonder why…

    There’s a very interesting dynamic occuring here. Th very same people who talk a seriously mean game about the free market and competition and conservatism and personal responsibility, and all that are the first ones who want to restrict a Woman’s right to choose who she wants to fuck. I find that interesting.

    I’m a Free Marketeer. Let the Ladies choose.

    Let’s see what they say, hmm Gentlemen?

    The Obsidian


  135. I was going to watch the video, but it said it was for mature audiences only.


  136. Oh, and one last thing.

    Someone-presumably a Brotha-posted a link to NYC Chocolate Models, a site that feautres the kinds of Women we Brothas love. I defy any one of you to actually go there and tell me those are some “fat chicks”. There’s another model, actually two, who are Hispanic, Puerto Rican to be exact: Latin Spice, and Scarlett. Look em both up, again, I defy any one of you here to tell me or anyone else that they’re fat. They’re not. They just got the kind of booties most White guys simply cannot handle. Period.

    Same deal w/Serena Williams. Anna K., couldn’t hold a candle to dat azz. Literally.

    OK, holla back-if you can

    The Obsidian


  137. on January 24, 2009 at 6:53 am Patrick Bateman

    White people do not have bad skin, Northern Europeans have bad skin, especially those who trace their origins to the British Isles. Mediterraneans have much better skin and age more gracefully than their cousins in the north. My mother doesn’t work out or eat well but her skin is tighter and more youthful than the vast majority of Northern European women her age.


  138. For example, why are beauty marks considered beautiful…Moles are tumors, cancer, the opposite of health.

    euphemism much?

    why is friendly fire so friendly? it … it … kills people!


  139. YES. Vietnamese women do have quite a surprisingly round ass.

    ::raises glass::

    amen.
    in my somewhat limited experience of them, they also smell really good.
    smell is sadly neglected on this forum, but in my experience it’s key, especially in long-term relationships. (un)fortunately, the internet doesn’t yet come equipped with olfactory stimulators, so i can’t troll on the daily like peter.

    problem is that i don’t usually like asian facial features.
    this is why god invented doggy style, grabbing her hair, shoving her face into a pillow, and forcing her to bite it.


  140. I’m a Free Marketeer. Let the Ladies choose.

    my id agrees with you completely, although, as has been established beyond any reasonable doubt, “ladies’ choice” will take us back to the stone age.

    There’s a very interesting dynamic occuring here. Th very same people who talk a seriously mean game about the free market and competition and conservatism and personal responsibility, and all that are the first ones who want to restrict a Woman’s right to choose who she wants to fuck. I find that interesting.

    say it ain’t so, o!

    first of all, i don’t think anyone here is trying to restrict these broads’ choice of one-night stands. rather, they’re trying to call them on their duplicitous bullshit, and, in the case of cheaters and other miscreants, revive the naming and shaming that kept victorian-era women from slutting it up excessively.

    ok, i see the point you’re trying to make, but why’d you include “conservatism” in there? the traditional patriarchal family, with all its strictures and reining in of women’s (and men’s) sex drives, is among the most important principles of anything that can reasonably be called “conservatism”.

    also, libertarian though you may be (and i as well), i sincerely doubt that either of us is a free-market absolutist.
    would you want to see a free market in military service? would you want interstate highways built (or, more likely, not built, because of massive outlays and free-rider problems) in a free market? would you want a truly free labor market, with no labor laws?
    i didn’t think so.
    i’m largely a libertarian, too, but let’s be real here: at least some minimal degree of regulation is necessary to prevent socially unacceptable externalities.
    the sexual market is no different. moreover, the stakes are higher than those of any other market.

    thought experiment: let’s say you’ve been married for seven years, with two or three children, and your wife got that infamous seven-year itch.
    now wouldn’t you sure as hell want to, in your words, “restrict [your] Woman’s right to choose who she wants to fuck”?
    i thought so.


  141. A little ON topic perhaps but I had sex with exactly one black young man and his dick was so small as to be embarrassing. True story.

    Me wonders why roissy is so fascinated with older women these days. Tryin’ to tell us something roissy?


  142. Low or no births among indigenous Europeans .

    And by the way, let’s do away with the Mark Steynian despair mongering – white birth rates are not zero. There are legions of white children born every day. The birth rates are lower than their peak two generations ago, and presently below replacement, that’s all. But this can change on a dime.

    Pat Buchanan, God bless him, is guilty of this too — groaning about how the West is “ageing” and “shriveling.” The man has said and written some great things, but he is addicted to dourness.

    plus large third world immigration plus high non White births and miscegenation will change European demographics enormously

    Low birth rates alone wouldn’t be a problem. Yes, immigration is the real problem. Birth rates have their normal ebbs and lows, and in a closed system, things would go on just fine.

    But when you start importing unassimilable immigrants during a low birth period, you are depriving a nation of regenerating on the upswing. I believe that evil entities like the EU and others are doing this purposely, and that is why they need to be put on trial and hanged for ethnocide.

    Miscegenation would be a social problem if it were practiced on a large scale. I’m with those who see it as a very limited phenomenon.


  143. On average, who is sexier: Dieon Sanders, or Peyton Manning?

    Why did you say Payton Manning and not Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Jake Delhomme, Tom Brady, Howie Long, or Brett Favre?

    Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis?

    Why Bruce Willis and not Robert Downey Jr., George Clooney, or Billy Zane?

    Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman?

    Why Hoffman and not Cary Grant?

    Matt Damon, or Will Smith?

    Matt Damon


  144. on January 24, 2009 at 9:03 am Willard Libby

    I think we need to remember that the psychic wound on the black boy in America from being the White man’s pocket bitch for 400 years is pretty deep. I don’t think you can deny that this has a lot to do with the black male’s desperate need for the White woman’s attention and acceptance.

    Add to that two other factors. One evolutionary and the other social. As I’ve stated before I think the black male obsession with the White woman is his “ticket out of Africa”. I think that the black male is obsessing on those women – White and Asian – who have evolved outside of Africa and are in a sense farther removed from our Ape-like african ancestors. These women offer the black male a genetic resource the black female cannot.

    The other factor is what I call “mama shame”. I think some black males are ashamed of some of the physical traits they see in their black mothers. They may also be disappointed in her as a mother and in her inability to keep the black father around which can been seen by the black male as contributing to his life struggle. This can lead to a strong aversion to women who are in anyway like his mother, i.e. black.

    There is one difference that is overwhelming in how White men evaluate black women and how black males evaluate White women: black males have an obsessive need to be positively evaluated and accepted by WHITE women.

    White men have close to NO need to be positively evaluated and accepted by black females. The vast majority of White men just don’t give a shit about black females or what black females think about them or their friends or which White male celebrities have been with black females. If anything White men probably have a lower opinion of other White men, friends or celebrities, who are with black females over White women.

    On the other hand black males will brag about how many White women they think want them or want their friends or how many black male celebs they have cataloged as having been with White women. It’s a psychological obsession. It’s a deep lingering 400 year generated NEED. It’s comparable to addictive or OCD-like behavior.

    A lot of White men don’t understand it and most black males wont even admit it to themselves let alone others.

    White men not only don’t brag about being with black women they might actually want to hide the fact from friends and family. White men don’t have the psychic wound that needs to be healed. They don’t see black women as their salvation and ego comforter the way black men see White women.

    So not only do White men find black women generally either merely unattractive or disgusting they simply don’t need to be accepted by them. They don’t feel like the black woman’s interest in them is of any emotional, social or psychological value.

    For the black male the opposite is true. The black male will never shake off the fact that the northern races – White and Asian – have evolved a phenotype farther away from the prehistoric humans and ape-like humans. The black male’s genetic need for White and Asian women is evidence of that.

    The black male will also probably never shake off the fact that he was the White man’s bitch for 400 years. And the psychic wounds of this will naturally lead those mentally crippled black boys into the arms of White females who will show the poor boy that he does have value and meaning and legitimacy. That he’s as good as or better than The White Man if only in the area of “game” and sex. There is some salvation, some redemption in that.

    And as long as there are White women, whatever their degree of beauty is, who enjoy being “THE QUEEN OF THE BLACK MAN’S DREAMS” there will be these black male/White female combos.

    It’s not surprising at all.

    Now Asian males/black females, any time I see that it’s a surprise for a whole host of reasons.


  145. Willard – yes, black guys’ obsession with bedding white women does fit your “ticket out of Africa” point. But why don’t you see black females want the same thing? Presumably this desire would not be gender-specific. Why don’t black women try to get pregnant with white guys, or at least artificially insemnate themselves with white sperm?


  146. J5 said, “the internet doesn’t yet come equipped with olfactory stimulators, so i can’t troll on the daily like peter.”

    Perhaps not, but the topic of scent is an interesting one…to me anyway.

    I have a few scent recipes that work very well for various purposes. One that I mixed for a friend for his birthday, he says never fails him. Girls get near him and want to snort him like snow.

    If you can manage to get ahold of some musk oil made from actual deer clumps, and real humanely harvested ambergris, it’s worth the investment.


  147. Williard said, “These women offer the black male a genetic resource the black female cannot.”

    More evidence of the failure of the American public school system.

    Did it ever occur to some of you to look things up before you say them?


  148. “Obsidian
    Oh, and one last thing.

    Someone-presumably a Brotha-posted a link to NYC Chocolate Models, a site that feautres the kinds of Women we Brothas love”

    That would have been me Sir Ob.And no,I’m no Brotha’.I’m a bona fide whitey.I was trying to show a few dunderheads hereabouts that ladies of color are amazingly sexy and curvaceous.I defy anyone to tell me those ladies are “fat”and undesirable.Skinny+blonde does not (automatically)=beautiful,though at times it can.

    I have a funny feeling that Wboys and Bgirls like each other a tad bit more than either like to let on.


  149. I’m definitely more attracted to Asian women. To be more precise, I think really good looking Japanese girls are about as good as it gets. There’s just something about the eyes and the smile that gets me. As my former CO said, “You’ve been here too long.” Well maybe, but they had to make me leave.

    Yellow fever? That would depend on your definition. I’m not one who thinks all Asian women are hot, nor do I think there are no good looking women of other races. There are more plain women than outstanding women in Japan, for sure. For me, it’s more like some guys preferring blondes, or East Europeans, just a preference, but a strong one. I married my wife because she is who she is, not because she’s some Asian woman.

    I just can’t get worked up about the whole race thing. Roissy’s probably right, and this woman doesn’t have much choice, so she’s throwing her rationalizations out there as if they were some sort of Declaration of Independence, or some Epiphany. I’m not buying, but if that’s what she needs to validate here choice, or lack of choice, fine.

    I wonder if she believes it, or is just lashing out?


  150. J5,
    LOL @ your remarks wrt Vietnamese gals. Youse a mess.

    Btw, I spent considerable time among Southeast Asian people as I worked among them for some years. Attended many of their social functions, eat food in their homes, you name it. One of my best friends is a guy from Laos, who, incidentally, would challenge you on the 21 Gun Salute Issue, J5.

    I can tell anyone that among the Thai, Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodian Women I’ve personally seen, the ones w/the consistently better bods, at least on a Black Man’s scale, are the Laotian and Camdodian ones. I’d personally hurt the Vietnamese gals.

    I know several Black Men who are married to Cambodian gals, w/kids. They look mighty fine in them blue jeans.

    As to your response to my “free market” comments, true I concede you make some good points. Military life and infrstructure among them.

    However, I have NEVER, since an incident I had many, many years ago, which burned this into my brain, tried to restrict a Woman’s choice with what she wants to do with her pussy in any way whatsoever. Dave Alex may get on my reserve nerve but even he’s right when it comes to this-I don’t want to try to coerce or cojole a Female who don’t wanna be with me. Period. And besides, as the Victorian era My Secret Life clearely shows, there ain’t a damn thing you can do about your Woman getting tailed by the Next Man if she want it bad enough.

    Now, having said that, I do think that if she wants out of a marriage or whatever, she should get her share of stuff and get on-but do I want to force her to be with me? NO.

    We can’t play both sides on the fence with this J, and you of all people know this, it’s part of the way we do business. Any true Player knows, that the hottie you was just sexing up today could be in the arms of the sexier, buffer, richer and overall hotter guy tomorrow.

    That’s the Game. And it don’t bother me one bit.

    Let the Ladies choose. Period.

    The Obsidian


  151. Random replies:

    Sara-I’m truly sorry you ran accross a Black Dud. Rare, but it does happen. Look at Dave Alex. Your caustic ways are hereby justified. My Best Wishes to you, Madam.

    PA- my reasoning for listing the comparisons in the way I did was to get Black and White Men who were contemporaries, with notable exceptions. The Peyton/Dieon question was in response to comments made by Whiskey who suggested that guys like Peyton needed to be looked out for in the Sexual Market. Also, since he’s won a Superbowl, and Dieon’s like the only Man ever to play in both a Superbowl and a World Series, I thought it would make an interesting choice for the Ladies-which, from what I can tell, haven’t responded yet-hmmm…

    Willard-I see you’re not terribly up on your American history either. You’re really hittin’ outta ballpark. Four words, my man-Thomas Jefferson, Strom Thurmond. Holla back if you can. And don’t forget about those Field Reports.

    Nicole-good points on the Smell Goods.

    The Obsidian


  152. This is some racist shit, but hey whatever keeps you happy.

    I do understand that a lot of people who read the original article feel threatened… and so you attack black men and of course, white women who date and fuck them.

    I am a black man who dates interracially and I have slept with over 50 women, the vast majority of whom have been white.

    Sometimes, as a black man all you want is a fuck or a blowjob on a friday night… and quality control is not at the top of the list. Sometimes it is a class thing or a stick to the man thing for some brothers. Other times, pussy is just pussy.

    However speaking for myself and other professional brothers – when it comes to choosing a girlfriend or a wife, those of us who prefer the Caucasian persuasion will go out and get the hottest one we can. I’d show pictures but that would annoy some of my friends.
    _______________________________________________

    So much for the whole “black women are attractive thing.”

    Just like in some of the last comment threads, some “Brutha” gets up and complains about Raysism and that black wimmenz be as pretty as white wunz, sho’ enuf…” and then goes on and lets us all know how many white babes he nails(or asian ones, etc…).

    bds is right, you’re full of shit.


  153. AW,
    My bad Man, and good lookin’ on posting up the link. Have you ever checked out Latin Spice and/or Scarlett? They used to be part of the NYCCM thing before it became that and went out and did their own things. MY GOD are they handlin’ or what? They are what I was talkin’ about at the Greek Picnic, Freaknik and Puerto Rican Day Parades here in Philly and up in NYC. Whew!

    OK holla

    O


  154. Thursday, about the Black women/masculinity thing, as I mentioned before in a comment about female athletes, this perception has alot to do with equating femininity with weakness.

    What is beautiful to nature isn’t always what’s considered beautiful in a culture. Culturally, what is perceived as beauty will be what is considered most feminine, even if it is a defect.

    For example, absence of any body hair is a defect. This does not stop women however, from removing their body hair, because absence of hair is viewed as more feminine, even though *less* body hair than a male is already feminine enough for nature.

    Fair skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes can be very problematic in a warmer climate, yet the classic 10 or “bombshell” has those traits. In fact, those traits became widespread, it’s believed, due to selection, not just environmental adaptations.

    So someone like say, Grace Jones is incredibly beautiful, but she is perceived as too masculine for the average White guy’s tastes. Most men who worship her are either very submissive and prefer a more masculine woman *because* of the masculinity, or very extremely butch, and don’t view her as more than they could easily handle.

    In my own experiences, this has also been the case. They guys who try to get with me for commitment, not just sex, are usually submissive or very butch. They’re seldom somewhere in between. Either way, physically, they are all stronger than the average guy.

    So one reason for mutual non attraction between the majority if Black women and White males, aside of social programming and the like, could well be the strength differential being less between them. Black women generally have very strong backs, hips, and legs, and I’m sure guys notice that.

    …but outside the U.S. there are groups of what Americans would call “White” who are generally very much stronger than the average American Anglo/French+ whatever. So when a Black woman goes abroad, aside of the curiosity factor, she finds herself often being hit on by guys from ethnic groups who could be the match or best any of her Black brothers back home.

    I’ve noticed that guys from around Transylvania tend to be taller and very strong looking around the legs and hips. Polish guys often have a firm high ass you could set a beer can on. Some Russian/Uzbeki guys look a bit Asian, but run somewhat taller, and have a slim but shapely “wirey” strong appearance. Finnish guys have some variety, but a good portion of them are sturdy and especially well shaped about the ass and thighs.

    So maybe it’s not really White guys we’re as a group not so attracted to. It’s just the average Anglo/Saxon and French types.

    I’ve considered building a website featuring European and Asian men Black women would like.


  155. Heheheh…which of you guys wants to be my first cracker of the month?

    (joke)


  156. my hottie target acquisition system was temporarily miscalibrated by the glaring contrast with the seacow standing next to her.

    So that actually works? I need to befriend some seacows.


  157. on January 24, 2009 at 11:50 am ironrailsironweights

    For example, absence of any body hair is a defect. This does not stop women however, from removing their body hair

    Tragically :(((((((((

    Peter


  158. this post is about tastes, both individual and across groups; as such it is highly unlikely that there can ever be a real ‘answer’. most of the things metioned probably play a role.

    there is one aspect that no one has touched on. people’s first experience of the other sex usally comes from a parent. i think a significant part of what men are attracted to, can be summed up as an idealization of their mothers, both physically and personality-wise.

    for instance, yellow fever seems to be much more a white guy thing than a black guy thing. and when white guys talk about why they have a particular regard for asian women, it’s usually summed up to some combination of them being petite and demure. these are two words that a black man would probably not use in describing his mother. i think that a lot of black men have somewhat contentious relationships with their mothers, and that dynamic plays itself out in their relationships. so, when a black man dates a white woman, you may hear him talk about how chill she is relative to the black women he’s dated. but perhaps an asian woman would be too chill for his taste, and he may find the stereotype of an asian woman to be boring. this is, of course, conjecture, so don’t think i’m trying to give real weight to any of this.

    i do think that a lot of what puts off white guys when it comes to black women is certain perception, both real and imagined, that they are super-bitchy and incredibly aggressive. i imagine that even for those white men who do like black women, they’re approach anxiety is heightened in those situations.

    that would be an interesting experiment, to measure levels of anxiety as men approached different ethnic groups of women. would black men have the least anxiety? would asian men approaching black women have the most?


  159. If Asian and Indian men are the opposite of natural “gamers”, then where do Middle-Eastern (Arab, Persian, Turkish) fit in? How well are they suited for “game”? Someone on this site once wrote that Arab men supposedly do well w/ white women. Any other corroborations?


  160. **I’ve considered building a website featuring European and Asian men Black women would like.**

    The same as what White women like in men – $$$$$.


  161. The arguments of Ms. Bakos are essentially identical to that of the Asian American Female. Self-serving lies served up on a heaping platter to disguise their disgusting natures. Forgoing continued emigration, the Asian American demographic will cease to exist within 2 generations. It’s a statistical fact. Female led exogenous marriages account for significant proportion of Asian American marriage in total. Over 60% of Korean American women choose to marry white as opposed to only 20% who choose other Korean American men. Two generations of this and they are left with only 4% of their original population (the eurasians are even less likely to marry asians) while the rest are socially and culturally white. Race-traitors, the lot of them.


  162. Wow. that woman is truly hideously ugly. And thanks to the article, you can tell she’s ugly *inside* too.


  163. She was later mugged in Harlem.

    http://www.nypress.com/article-18593-harlem-its-a-hard-knock-life.html

    Note the contrasting prose:

    “Susan Crain Bakos is an older, white, female liberal. A few years ago, she wrote a column announcing that she’d given up on white men and now preferred the company of black men. She wrote that she deliberately chose black men because of the racial difference and because black men not only had “more energy, style and edge” but were also “gentlemen, something which white men no longer are”…

    When I hit the concrete with the back of my head and the small of my back, I knew that I was forever changed. I was mugged once before, but it wasn’t personal. No one I actually knew by name had ever raised a hand to me. Born and raised in East St. Louis, Ill., I had nevertheless lived my life — until that night — in a world where men do not hit or shove women…”


  164. Mjaybee, well, I’d like to wish her a warm welcome to my world.


  165. Obsidian, you’re long on assertions and short on evidence and logic.

    You’ve just seized on one hypothesis that is somewhat consistent with the evidence, without considering that there are a bunch of other hypothesis *also* consistent with the evidence.

    For instance, the disparity in marriage rates might be explained by black men being more attractive than white men. It might also be explained by black women being less attractive than white women. There are a couple of other hypothesis that works there as well.

    Most of your other evidence is purely anecdotal as well as biased by your personal environment.

    The guys you know who get laid a lot are black. Which is unsurprising, since most of your friends are black guys. It really doesn’t tell us anything useful.

    The numbers you quoted aren’t that special for guys their upper thirties or forties who are attractive who make it a point to get laid a lot. I know a couple of guys who are well into their 200:s in their twenties. So again, 500 separate lays doesn’t say that much. Especially not if a large proportion of them are ugly women.

    If you wanted to produce some real evidence that black guys get laid more you should have taken up the studies that shows them having much higher STD rates than other groups.

    The celebrity stuff is cherry picked, and further complicated that white men mostly aren’t allowed all that attractive roles any more. White guys don’t get to play edgy, strong, attractive men very much anymore, they get to play goofballs and eye candy. Neither of which are all that attractive to women.

    Not to mention the whole media bias against strong white males.

    For someone harping on about the unimportance of group issues and personal responsibilities it sure seems important to you that black men are more attractive than white men.


  166. Whoa whoa whoa, settle down folks.

    It seems we have quite a large number of black folks posting these days: Obsidian, Kthulah, DA, T, abe, chic noir, VK…

    Roissy – in the interest of keeping things civil, could we have 2 seperate comment windows?

    I suggest one for “white” and one for “colored.”

    j/k


  167. If Asian and Indian men are the opposite of natural “gamers”, then where do Middle-Eastern (Arab, Persian, Turkish) fit in? How well are they suited for “game”? Someone on this site once wrote that Arab men supposedly do well w/ white women. Any other corroborations?

    We’ve been seeing the bars invaded by African and Middle Eastern Muslim refugees and they usually have worse than zero game. As in, they get rejected, they punch the woman in the face and declare everyone a racist for intervening.

    If you believe that a woman out in the nightlife is a worthless whore simply for being out in the nightlife, you’re unlikely to turn into a cool player guy. Not everyone is like that, but the illiterate camel herders we’re importing are certainly like that.


  168. She is unattractive, without question. There are few things more pathetic than women who try to act younger than they are. Getting fucked by different men and thinking that is somehow a mark of sexual desirability is a delusion. The fact is that most men will fuck just about anything. Some will even fuck animals, just to prove the point.

    People should age gracefully. Trying to play the sexual game far past your prime is sad and pathetic.

    I bet she is constantly drugged up by legal or not so legal substances, whether prescribed or not.


  169. Kthulah

    Fair skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes can be very problematic in a warmer climate, yet the classic 10 or “bombshell” has those traits. In fact, those traits became widespread, it’s believed, due to selection, not just environmental adaptations.

    I think it’s more environment than selection. A fair white woman in tropical Africa without modern medicine and facilities would soon become a sunburned, diseased sweaty wretch. I don’t think she’d be attractive at all — more like a pathetic, strange creature. White men dreaded being sent to posts in colonial Africa (19th century) due to the very high rate of death from tropical fevers. They’d just sit around drinking gin and tonics all day to keep the malaria at bay.

    On the other hand, before vitamin D was added to food, black children never fared well north of Virginia due to the diminishing sunlight. They’d get rickets and grow up stunted and bow-legged, and were very susceptible to pneumonia from the damp cold.

    I’m a fair-skinned white guy with dark blond hair and a red beard, and although I definitely can appreciate the beauty of other races, it does feel a bit strange to be with women who are darker than I am, so I tend to gravitate toward the fair Celtic/Scandinavian types. Not a problem here in the Pacific Northwest — we get little sun and the climate is pretty much the same as where my ancestors came from, so in fact a lot of people like me settled here. Actually, there is so little sunlight here that local hospitals have started programs to ensure that black and African children get sufficient vitamin D. There have been quite a few cases of rickets, especially amongst African immigrants.


  170. Hi JohnF,
    It seems like its you who is a bit short on things…ahem.

    First off, and Mystery says this in his book (same dale w/Style in his book) that logic means nothing in Game. It is all counterintuitive, because Women operate on a different wavelength than do Men, especially the kind who need-NEED-Game the most. If you want stats, you can start there first.

    Second, I have been among the loudest voices in thi venue to discuss the high STD rates in the Black community. Been there, done that.

    Third, I didn’t “cherry pick” any evidence. It is there for anyone with eyes to see. Nor is it anything new. Poitier, Belafonte and Obama Sr were having a great time with White Ladies perhaps since before you were even a twinkle in your daddy’ eye.

    What *has* changed is the right of Women to actually choose, based on whatever criteria THEY determine, who they wish to associate with. It is truly a Free Sexual Market now, and as we can see, quite a few fellas ain’t too happy about that. None of them happen to look like me. Interesting.

    Hollywood is replete with edgy White guys. Wrong there, too.

    And yup, I do advocate personal responsibility. What a shame so many others here do not.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian


  171. I remember somewhere coming across a study of angle of erection by race. The sample size was pathetic (60 or something like that in unequal proportions by group) but the results did seem interesting in light of various pornographic and real life observations echoed here. According to the study, black erections tend to be almost horizontal, white erections at 45 degrees and asian erections at 90 degrees (i.e., flat against the belly). Given what we know about the bottoms of the women of these racial groups, there is a certain striking symmetry.

    Assume for a moment that, as in the film Quest for Fire, doggy style was the standard mating position of our ancestors. In that case, these different erectile orientations make a certain sense. Could a stoneage Asian man even access a typical black woman in this way? Rape, in any case, would certainly be a tricky business.

    In this respect, at least, the male and female population of each race might really be made for each other.


  172. I read the article. Just pathetic. Where has her head been all of her life. Up her ass?

    Frankly, if this sort of thing had happened to me (And I have been “mugged” by women), I would be way too humilated to write about it. What stupidity on her part.

    Well, at least it didn’t get her killed. Blacks kill their crime victims for no apparent rational reason. I recall the murder of a white women some years ago. She went to a black bar to harangue some black guy she knew, I think about money he owed her or something. She hung out with black guys in their part of town.

    So, the black guy and his black girl took her and put her into the trunk of her car and drove off with her. The white women kept screaming inside the trunk and kicking the back seat. So, finally, patience at an end, the black guy said to his girl:

    I am going to pop that bitch. You wanna watch?

    And, pop her he did.


  173. Obsidian,

    I am pretty sure you simply don’t have the ability to discuss this issue in any meaningful way. Or anything else for that matter.

    Everything about your posts show emotional thinking and no real ability to evaluate things rationally. If that’s the case I might as well be speaking to a small child for all the good it would do either of us.

    For instance, you’ve shown no indication that you actually understand what a hypothesis is, or why it matters more to eliminate alternative explanations than to come up with ones that fit.

    But just to be sure, have you scored above 110 on an IQ test?


  174. I believe that evil entities like the EU and others are doing this purposely, and that is why they need to be put on trial and hanged for ethnocide.

    It’s interesting to note that you’re paranoid about a massive government conspiracy trying to kill ethnic whites, while I’m paranoid about a conspiracy of race realists potentially taking control of the government and media.

    Interestingly, had the Soviet Union and its satellite states allowed for emigration of its citizens, I suspect that much of labour woes of Western Europe that required a high immigration (so-called guest workers) in the 1950s and 1960s would have been solved. The downside is that remittances probably would have propped up Communist regimes far longer than what happened in our timeline, and in the case of some countries with overseas territories, some population transferance would have occurred.

    importing unassimilable immigrants

    Now what’s an unassimilable immigrant? Northeastern Asians, Filipinos, Indians, Arab Christians, “the Muslims”, African Christians, Latin Americans, or Caribbeans? Depending on who one talks to, one could argue that all those groups are assimilable while others would argue that’s impossible even with high IQ. I’m obviously biased, so I’ll refrain from giving an answer for now.


  175. So funny.


  176. Interestingly, had the Soviet Union and its satellite states allowed for emigration of its citizens, I suspect that much of labour woes of Western Europe that required a high immigration (so-called guest workers) in the 1950s and 1960s would have been solved.

    Sweden did that with Finns, but they still managed to turn themselves multicultural, just a little later.

    BTW the reason why Finland had absolutely no multiculturalism before the 1990s is that Finland was getting border jumpers from Russia. Of course we couldn’t have bad news from the socialist paradise, so the *left* was busy declaring that “political asylum” was just a scam cover for criminals. It’s all nakedly obvious here – the same people who are now busy advocating multiculturalism and destroying the nation-state were those who wanted to join the Soviet Union until the bitter end.


  177. Hi JohnF,
    I was wondering how long it would take for you to begin the Ad Hom Assault. Nice to see you didn’t disappoint.

    Is my IQ over 110? I have no idea. Never been tested. What I can say though, is that there are some in this forum who have reason to believe that at the very least my potential IQ, based on the bulk of my posts here, suggest that it is higher than the national average, which is about 100 or so.

    Additionally, most of the Women I’ve had in my life had documented IQs exceeding 120. Assuming what is said for Black average IQ rates is true-that its about 85 or so-that too would be significant. You are the company you keep, don’t you know.

    Brown Sugah’s IQ is over 140. She thinks I’m noting short of a genius. Not bad booty if you can get it.

    Now, let’s try this again, shall we? Game is not based on rules in the rational or logical world. Roissy himself has posted numerous times on various aspects of Game that give clear witness to this. Moreover, to the point being discussed in this post, you have not actually addressed my positions. Women now have the right to choose who they want to bed down. When it comes to a hot White guy, and a hot Brotha, take a wild guess who wins.

    Does this mean we can have that linear, non-emotive and sans Ad Hom discussion now?
    The Obsidian


  178. According to the study, black erections tend to be almost horizontal, white erections at 45 degrees and asian erections at 90 degrees.. Could a stoneage Asian man even access a typical black woman in this way?

    This makes no sense. Of course he could. I can’t even imagine what crazy logistical barriers you are inventing in your head here. Men manually angle their dicks for penetration if they need to.

    The study you cite is simply indicating that black dicks are larger, and are pulled down to a lower angle by their own weight. This is easily observable in porn, where circus dicks rarely angle toward the heavens like average-sized erections.


  179. I love race biology discussions that follow after accusing a minister of being unfair to the white man.


  180. “A thug named Mykul—all 6-foot-5-inches and 250 pounds of him—knocked me, a 5-foot-2, 120-pound “grammy” to three, down to the concrete. I was in front of St. Nick’s Pub, at 10:30 on a Monday night this past May, when he stole my handbag, a beautiful green snakeskin bag and all its contents, including more cash than I’d carried in Harlem—ever. People I knew from the pub stood and watched.

    Mykul was so sure of his protected status as a thug in the ‘hood that he ambled away cradling my bag in his arm like a football. Amused that he didn’t even have to run, he grinned back at me lying on the pavement. My romance with the ghetto was over; and like every ill-conceived romance built at least partially on illusion, it was destined to end with a bang. I wasn’t expecting a head bang.”

    http://www.nypress.com/article-18593-harlem-its-a-hard-knock-life.html

    BWAAAAHAHAHAHA.

    Thanks for that ESSENTIAL update, mjaybee. Fucking priceless. I’m sure she felt “respected and desired” by all the men who just sat around watching her get her old ass beat down and humiliated by a grinning young buck with that “zest for life”. No one knows how to treat you like a real lady like ghetto thugs.


  181. @ willard

    you do the worst roissy impression… ever.


  182. on January 24, 2009 at 4:12 pm A More Tactful Tool

    the only thing African Americans hate more than crime is the police

    Hahahahahaha! I’m looking for the hint of irony, but just not seeing it!


  183. Obsidian,

    I’ve really respected your opinions in the past, and I realize that is largely turning into a black guys versus non-black guys argument on each one trying to save face. Non-black guys don’t want to be told their inferior, less sexy, less masculine than black guys, and black guys don’t want to be degraded as being only able to pull ugly or messed up non-black chicks.

    What I am talking about is 2 parted: non-black girls who have “jungle fever,” and girls who happen to date some black guys but really have no preference.

    Hedi Klum does not fall into the category of “exclusive black guy dater”–she’s been married to white men before, and dated celebrities of all races. Of course, she is a model, which is nothing more than a high end stripper/prostitute, so her fucked up-ness (have you ever seen her act in public–she is truly an insane woman who is allowed to be insane because she is considered beautiful) is established.

    It’s true, she seems to get off on showing off her black/white contrast with Seal—a truly ugly man, btw. But she’s a nutjob in general; I predict their marriage won’t last, merely because of her craziness, and since celebrity marriages fall apart very easily.

    And she wouldn’t be dating Seal were he, say, an automechanic. Her litmus test is extreme fame/money, which makes sense as a model, since she’s considered way above a normal 10. (I don’t think she’s very attractive, because, as Roissy points out, models are chosen by gay men to look like teenage boys—whose thin frames show off clothes the best and gay men want to screw the most. But enough air brushing, camera tricks, and societal pressure have annointed her hot by the media.)

    As for Idina Mezel (Taye Diggs’ squeeze), its hard to say whether she married him only because she’s got jungle fever or whether they liked each other truly. They acted together for so long before marriage, its likely they just fell in love; true jungle fever girls will cheat on a black guy with any black guy who acts more thuggish. Then again, she’s a jewish girl in showbiz, so there’s any number of ways she may be messed up; however, I would bet they just fell in love young.

    Obsidian, if a girl I’m seeing has dated black guys, my only qualifier is: did you date them because they were black, or did you date them because you liked who they were/their game, and they only happened to be black?

    If the former, you, as a black man, should get out as well. Jungle fever girls will sleep with any black man who acts “blacker” than you; she isn’t impressed with your game or sex skills, just impressed with how much either measure up to her stereotype of how a black guy should act towards her.

    She wants as much black guy as she can handle, not as much as you as she can handle. She also loathes her own race completely: why? Why does she hate herself so much as to believe no man just like her is worthy of her body? That question should send alarm bells ringing off in your head.

    I’ve been with asian and indian girls who won’t date their own race or exclusively date mine: I run. Why? Same reason. It wasn’t my game, it wasn’t my sex skills, it was just whatever fucked-up notion of racial stereotypes they had of me. She would be sleeping with any white guy my age who acted “white” enough when my back was turned. Plus, Asian and Indian guys run the gamut of behavior, so throwing a stereotype down doesn’t make any sense.

    We non-blacks also get angry at jungle fever because it is much more socially acceptable to have jungle fever than other racial fevers. Look at a movie like “soul plane” where women getting jungle fever is considered humorous and wonderful. Imagine the reverse: a black woman getting white fever or asian fever. Suddenly this becomes a Frontline piece on self-loathing black people and how society has created it.

    Obsidian, jungle fever girls are bad news for all men. If a girl is exclusive to her race, I understand that–it’s about gene propagation and keeping her culture going. But beyond that, if she chooses one race and excludes her own, its just messed up.


  184. jaakeli: I don’t give a damn about poor asylum seekers in Finland. I’m talking about the U.S., and trying to see if there is some similarity between Middle-Easterners and Blacks/Latinos. Middle-Easterners, from what I’ve seen, act more macho than Asians or Indians (on top of that, they have a small but significant amount of black ancestry). That would give them somewhat of an advantage, no?


  185. p.s. I love to say it, that Bakos lady got exactlty what she deserved for being so racist in her “black man for sex” article.


  186. One thing I absolutely hate about the PUA community is this ‘number of lays’ competition.

    One idiot will say “I got 20 in the last year”, while another will say “I got 25!!”.

    Explain how sleeping with 20 different women one time each is better than sleeping 100 times with the same woman, if she is someone you really find attractive?

    This ‘scorecard’ of one-night stands is pathetic. An empty existence, likely to lead to disease.

    Game is best used to find a small number of top-quality women (maybe even just 1), for a rich and happy life.


  187. P.p.S. Also, black guys create problems in this discussion by talking about how much better they are that other races in terms of sexiness, bedroom talent, masculinity, and overall game.

    When you start making racial arguments on this subject, you’re going to get smacked down. And incite the opposite racial arguments, which will piss you off more.

    Plus, you’re creating your own problem: non-black men will now be pissed if they find out a girl their with dated a black guy, because they’ve heard black guys degrade them as inferior. As a consequence, girls will be much more reluctant to date/sleep with a black men, knowing that non-black men are now much less likely to date/have sex with them should they reveal the truth.


  188. “Middle-Easterners, from what I’ve seen, act more macho than Asians or Indians ”

    Some are naturals. They are not steeped in the study of math and science like Indians and Chinese, and the ‘harem’ culture is part of their upbringing, if they are from wealthy families.

    But quite a few Middle Eastern men are also Omegas, since they never use deodorant. Their BO repels all people, and places them squarely in Omega status. No one tells them that they smell bad either.

    They also have too much body hair, and go bald at a young age, which hurts their market value.


  189. on January 24, 2009 at 4:33 pm Benito Hoover

    Open Questions-

    Is there some element of revenge folded into the pop-consciousness of American white women?
    Given that for the most part white men have been free to partake of black and Native women, by force and coercion if necessary, they are restricted to white men? For example, Strom Thurmond had a babymother which was shocking, to me at least. Despite high status and the accompanying desirability to young beautiful belles, he preferred to bang the maid, I wouldn’t. Such incidences might have left a scar on the female psyche and now demands revenge according to current doctrine.

    For the Asian-American men, which strategy do you think would engender a higher rate of desirability with your women, continuing to complain, or becoming more aggressive about marrying out? Do you guys find women of other races top-notch marriage material? Despite all the talk on boards like these, most men from Asia I know, especially those from the Indian sub-continent and near east will not put up with what most American men accept in marriage. For sex the matter is completely different.
    Also, do you guys agree your average women are less attractive than the average white woman in the mall in, say, Tulsa?


  190. Black people are always their own worst enemies, whether in America, or in Africa.

    It may be convenient to blame whites, Asians, etc. but the greatest injustices to Blacks in the modern era are done by other blacks.


  191. on January 24, 2009 at 4:44 pm Benito Hoover

    What is the fascination black people? They only comprise 12% of the US population and are half the number pure Europeans(using the one drop rule) worldwide. Why all the attention


  192. Now what’s an unassimilable immigrant?

    You might recall my Korea illustration from earlier: if I moved to Korea, I would make no impact on that country whatsoever. If I learn Han Gul, adapt myself to the local customs, marry a girl whose father doesn’t mind the interracial thing, and generally act like a nice guy to people around me, I might even be a net asset to that land.

    But if one million of my similarly-well behaved Slavic cousins move to Korea with me, we’ll have destroyed a magnificent four-thousand-year-old nation. The Korean elites who facilitated our arrival ought to then be tried and hanged for ethnocide.

    A similar thing applies to European countries. They are currently being purposely flooded with people who don’t look European (such as Africans) or look slightly non-European but have an ideology that is hostile to the European civilization, and gets worse with each generation (Arab/Paki Muslims)

    It’s a little different with the United States, since we’ve had a black population here since Jamestown. Like Pat Buchanan said, black folk are as American as apple pie.

    However – for America to remain America, things need to be similar to what they were up to the 1950s: about 85% white Christians with a solid Anglo-Saxon core, and about 10% westernized black people. Here Westernized = acculturated to Western norms, such as monogamous marriage, respect for the law, good work ethic, etc. Also, a small number of other races, also Westernized, such as Indians / Mestizos, etc.

    In such a setting, a steady trickle of immigrants that is carefully calibrated to not upset the country’s ethinc balance, and is not used as a hammer to smach the nation’s dominant culture, is ok.


  193. Rain And:
    “This makes no sense. Of course he could. I can’t even imagine what crazy logistical barriers you are inventing in your head here. Men manually angle their dicks for penetration if they need to.”

    I was considering the evolutionary possibilities. Imagine that most cases of intercourse take the form of rape — the Quest for Fire scenario I mentioned above. If that were the case then it makes perfect sense that considerations of form, angle of penetration, buttock size and position of vagina would be important. Indeed, one can suppose that, over time, optimal traits would be selected for. Given early human geographic dispersal, it would then be hardly suprising that the relevant variables would become population specific in some measure.

    Of course I don’t know whether any of this is true but I find there to be a certain Platonic charm about it.


  194. p.s.: the gravity argument in no way detracts from this evolutionary account but would just be one of several necessary features of the selected trait.


  195. on January 24, 2009 at 6:02 pm levi johnston

    This reminds me of a conversation I had with an asian friend after watching a stereotypical grotesque white male dork-unattractive asian female couple pass by.

    Him: “Ever notice how white guys never get the really hot asian chicks?”
    Me: “uh yeah, I bet the pretty ones don’t need validation from white dudes or something”

    Of course, in reality, asian american hotties actively shut out asian guys, while regularly fucking black/white/hispanic guys. But my buddy didn’t wanna hear that. He wanted to believe that white guys were doing his race a service by purifying them of the uggos, leaving all the pretty ones to the azn guys. Yeah, if you want to believe it – sure.

    In the same vein, Obsidian, you should at least to attempt to play nice when dealing with other people’s racial insecurities. Just smile and nod, and let the WP set believe their little lies. “Only the fatties fuck blacks, right?” Sure thing, heres a video of a respectable and good-looking white woman staying true to her race: http://www.youtube.comwatch?v=vowvsBRK57I


  196. On average, who is sexier:

    Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis?

    Denzel is sexier than pretty much everybody. Although Bruce had a lot of sex appeal in his younger days.

    Arsenio Hall, or Jimmy Kimmel?

    Arsenio. Or *young* Arsenio, at least. Don’t know how he looks these days.

    Steve Harvey, or Bobcat Goldthwait?

    Isn’t pretty much every man on the planet sexier than Bobcat Goldthwait? (Not that he doesn’t have charm, but I assume we’re talking strictly sex appeal, here.)

    Although to be fair, I don’t find Steve Harvey sexy, either.

    Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman?

    Mmm, kind of a push.

    Matt Damon, or Will Smith?

    Will Smith, by a long shot.

    Denzel Washington, or Russell Crowe?

    Again, Denzel trumps most everyone.

    Wesley Snipes, or Colin Farrell?

    Wesley, but that might also be because I’ve never seen the great appeal of Farrell.

    Forrest Whittaker, or Jack Black?

    Kind of a push. Both quirkily attractive, neither all that sexy.

    Cuba Gooding Jr, or Tom Cruise?

    Cuba, but mainly because I’ve never understood the appeal of Tom Cruise.

    Jerry Seinfeld, or Eddie Murphy?

    Eddie.

    Richard Jenni, or Jamie Foxx?

    A young Jeni.

    And PA’s alternatives:

    Denzel Washington, or Bruce Willis? / Why Bruce Willis and not Robert Downey Jr., George Clooney, or Billy Zane?

    Good point. Downey & Clooney definitely give Denzel a run for his money in a way that Willis does not.

    Sidney Poitier, or Dustin Hoffman? / Why Hoffman and not Cary Grant?

    Another good point. Cary Grant, without question.


  197. Anonymous: I forgot onereally obvious white actor with massive sex appeal: Matthew McConnaughey.

    Also, I’d argue that Denzel’s sex appeal is very white: he’s not the flamboyant, raw-sex appeal heat-seeking missle of Afro-charm the way guys like Deion Sanders or in an extreme case, Dennis Rodman are.

    Denzels’ appeal is more about wholesomeness, a classically handsome face, and an earnest intelligence not unlike Kevin Costner or many 1950s white male actors.


  198. Game in itself has no inherent “mandate” to bed lots of Women involved. It is completely up to the practitioner to determine in what way he will use Game to meet his goals. If he wants to use Game to find a wife, by all means he should do that. If he wants to use Game to find 100 one night stands, so long as the Women are willing who can knock it?

    As for Women getting with Black Men, so what? Why are White guys so hung up about it? I personally couldn’t care less WHY a Sista chose a White fella. More power to em, is what I say. She has every right to determine who will make the best mate, or lay, for her possible and to act on that choice. Period.

    If there is a such thing as a Sexual Marketplace, then it will become very clear that certain people will be, on average, more desirable than others. When it comes to Male Desirability in the USA, in a time where Women can choose w/o fear of reprisal, Black Men have an edge over White Men, all things being equal. If we’re talking about Roissy vs Dave Alex, all bets are off, Roissy wins. But if we do a more apples to apples comparison so to speak, the Brotha tends to win out.

    Let me say while im on this point, that I think Roissy should take some of those Sistas who’ve been giving him the eye up on a date and lay as many as he can, so as to be a better informed voice on these matters. Getting it on w/only one Black Woman does not an expert on the matter make. Plus, he should take full advantage of his unique position as a White boy who Sistas actually like.

    The Obsidian


  199. test


  200. To be more precise, I think really good looking Japanese girls are about as good as it gets.

    Oddly enough, I’ve thought that since I was a tiny bordering-on-albino girl-child. I would’ve traded my blonde hair, blue eyes & rosy cheeks in a heartbeat.


  201. PA: Anonymous: I forgot onereally obvious white actor with massive sex appeal: Matthew McConnaughey.

    Yeah, he doesn’t do it for me personally, but he’s definitely a major draw. (He relies too heavily on the boyish-charm thing for my tastes.)

    Denzels’ appeal is more about wholesomeness, a classically handsome face, and an earnest intelligence not unlike Kevin Costner or many 1950s white male actors.

    (Oh, yeah — I forgot to note above that I didn’t include the sports guys because I don’t know who they are. I mean, I know the names, but I couldn’t match faces to them without looking them up, and I don’t think photos alone make for a fair assessment.)

    And I can’t agree entirely about Denzel. Yes, his primary stock-in-trade is the handsome, earnest intelligence thing, but what sets Denzel apart from the others you mentioned is a sense of there being something incredibly powerful underneath all that — something he’s holding in check & has completely in control, but an undercurrent of power nonetheless. He has a visceral appeal that Kevin Costner only *wishes* he ever had.


  202. As for Women getting with Black Men, so what? Why are White guys so hung up about it?

    That’s an interesting question. Why is that so? One likely answer, “because they’re stealing our women” doesn’t hold up because the numbers of middle class white women who sleep with black guys is tiny, and white guys make up for that loss with Asian women in any case.

    Also – if it were about the “scarce resource being plundered,” you’d expect older married men with daughters to not care about interracial dating. Hey, more guys for Princess to choose from!

    And yet, it’s with regards to one’s daughter that non-black men are most opposed to interracial dating. Important: notice I said “non-black,” not just “white” as in my observation Asian and Hispanics fathers have similar objections to their daughters dating blacks.

    I’m not saying this to antagonize Obsidian. Hell, he’s among my top five favorite commenters here and a guy I feel I’d get along with real well. Instead, I’m saying this because since we’ve got this freewheeling conversation and questions are being asked, I want to offer my own answer to O’s question:

    The reason that white (and Asian, and Latin) guys so hung up about it is because with the strong physical difference between black and non-black people, and the tendency of the African phenotype to dominate in a mixed offspring, people don’t want to see their line — their immediate family or their ethnic or racial group more broadly speaking — to cease looking like they and all of their ancestors up to now had looked.

    In other words, they are objectng to their own oblivion.


  203. “According to the study, black erections tend to be almost horizontal, white erections at 45 degrees and asian erections at 90 degrees (i.e., flat against the belly).”

    Mine’s at 90 degrees. Perhaps that explains the yellow fever I sometimes get when I travel abroad for work – my dick thinks it’s Chinese!

    Someone commented on the weight of it holding it down for blacks because they are supposedly bigger. I’ve never tried but I could probably hang a coat on my erect wiener and it’d still be at 90 degrees.

    Someone else commented on whether 90 degrees could allow someone to bone a black woman or do doggy. I can tell you that you can!


  204. “Also, do you guys agree your average women are less attractive than the average white woman in the mall in, say, Tulsa?”

    No. Absolutely not. If this was true, you would not see so many white men with Asian women.

    A sizable percentage of white women are overweight. Very few East Asian women are. In Taiwan, virtually all the young women are at least average looking. No Ugs.

    Also, Indian and Chinese women don’t get wrinkles until a decade or more later than white women do.

    The freckles that a white woman has on her upper chest are a turn-off as well.

    White women (who are not fat) have a better ass than Indian and Chinese women. White women spend more money at the beauty salon too. But that is about it.


  205. jaakeli: I don’t give a damn about poor asylum seekers in Finland. I’m talking about the U.S.,

    You said that you’re interested in Middle Easterners, so fuck you if you don’t want to hear about Middle Easterners.

    Middle Easterners of course come in extreme variety, from camel herders who beat or kill their daughters and sisters for talking to strange men to the decadent elites. The former, when transplanted to Western societies, do not develop game. ever. The paranoia about female sexuality and the ruthless treatment of women who fail the madonna image is the planet’s most extreme manifestation of the “nice” guy madonna/whore pedestalization complex that dooms aspiring manwhores.

    That kind of thing may eventually transform into a thug minority culture, but thuggishness is not game any more than being a fireman or a rich dude is game even though some women chase that.


  206. Picking up on Anon Lady’s point wrt Denzel (thanks for responding! Waiting for the rest of the Ladies of the Forum to jump in…), and this dovetails w/Roissy’s point above…

    There is something to be said for coming on too strong as a Brotha, especially when it comes to White Women or a certain stripe or type. Subtlety is the key, and that has always been a challenge for me. That’s why I chose to study Aikido over something like, say, Tae Kwon Do. And here I can see how MM is helping me to temper that “Beastly” thing about a good bit, w/notable results.

    Hate to say it like this, but simply put, Women in general, certain types of White Women especially, get scared off easily by too strong a show of Alphaness. Gotta rope em in slowly and in a subtle fashion, and hence again I can see why Denzel has such near-universal appeal, same deal w/a Will Smith and of course, a Barack Obama or a Sidney Poitier. Its kinda like having a V12 Astin Martin, its not necessary to go roaring down every street to show what you got. If that makes sense. It does to me now.

    It even works on Sistas, who are indeed more in your face and aggressive/assertive on average than their White sisters. All Women respond to subtle cues, the inferred, rather than the blatant. Hmm.
    Levi, I hear what you’re saying but this is a venue where we let it all hang out, and my White Brothers shouldn’t get mad if they hear something they don’t like. They should either come correct with a better/stronger argument, or, leave. That’s what I would do.

    The Obsidian


  207. Once again, for a man :

    Height trumps Race

    Wealth trumps Height

    Game trumps all.

    And Game is the one thing that a man can diligently work on. However, it is extremely hard to always have good game vs. just sporadic practice of game. I don’t think even Roissy is ‘alpha’ in all situations.


  208. Tood,
    Word to the Mutha.

    The Obsidian


  209. “with the strong physical difference between black and non-black people, and the tendency of the African phenotype to dominate in a mixed offspring, ”

    Yes, this is an important point.

    Barack Obama, Halle Berry, and Tiger Woods are all considered ‘black’, even though they are just 50% (or slightly less) black. Jeremiah Wright is probably just 30-40% black (despite his convenient adoption of the more profitable black identity).

    It is not that the phenotype is stronger, it is just that black people’s skin and hair is so different from that of any other race, that even the half-way point is a substantial departure. Only if a person is down to 25% black is the black ancestry visibly diluted out, and even then, the hair will be curly. You have to get down to 1/8th black to make the hair straight.

    All non-black people reside among a relatively narrow band of skin color and hair texture. Indians are still Caucasians, but just brown. Their nose, eyes, lips, and hair texture are the same as whites. East Asians differ from whites only in facial features and the relatively minor areas of height and female ass-shape. People who are half-white/half Asian (Dean Cain, Keanu Reeves) don’t really stand out.

    This is because all non-Africans are descended from about 70 people who left Ethiopia 100,000 years ago. So all non-blacks are relatively similar, genetically.

    Most blacks are not Ethiopian (who have narrow lips and noses). That is why they are different from ALL non-blacks.


  210. tood, you’re probably right, but i think a better way of looking at it is:

    height augments game

    race augments game

    wealth augments game

    game is necessary for all three though


  211. Sir Ob,my friend, I’m not familiar with Latin Spice but Scarlett is truly a wonder!I said it before and I’ll say it again, women of color are amazingly sexy.

    May I politely disagree with you Sir on a contention that is perturbing this most worthy site/thread?It concerns the matter of whether Black men are inherently more desirable than White men.

    Without going into too much detail,both you and your detractors are overlooking an important factor.That factor has to do with numbers.

    In order to illustrate my point allow me to use some notional figures.

    Suppose,for the sake of argument,White women outnumber Black men at a ratio of about 10 to 1.And lets say that approximately 1 female Whitey out of 10 has a “thing” for the Brothers.Never mind if that sounds too high or too low.Its not important;only keep in mind that some Whiteys have “the fever” and some dont.

    Now if we plug those numbers in that yields 1 White ho’ for every single Brotha’.Not bad!

    But wait.Not all the Brothers are equally sought after by these White ho’s.Sticking to our notional figures,lets assume that about half of the Brothers are objects of White ho’s lust.If we maintain the same ratios above, that gives us 2 White ho’s per Brother who’s “got it goin’ on.”Better still!

    Let us visualize this for a moment.One Black dude with 2 White ho’s,one on each of his arms;lets say one blonde and one redhead.Make of that vision a symbol of Africa’s sexual potency.

    From that symbol you might be led to conclude that Black dudes are twice as desirable than White dudes.But you would be mistaken,for,the APPARENT doubling of sexual value is a mere false impression which fails to take into consideration the even greater disparity in overall numbers between the races.

    Understand that in virtually every context within which Black dudes are fucking White sluts is taking place in societies that are majority White.Black studs are pullin’ in a lot of White ass because there’s a lot of White ass to pull in.That is all.

    So,if we were to double the number of Black men in White society,we would not double the number of White sluts bangin’ Bro’s.Quite the contrary,we would diminish the number of White sluts each Bro would get to bang.

    Now let us briefly examine the matter from a different angle.Lets say your three buddies,Zam,Dave,and Rick,come to you with tales of White ho conquests.

    Zam tells you about the White slut that gave him a blow job in the parking lot outside of a club.Dave relates of the White slut who sucked him off in her dorm room at college.And Rick relays his adventure in a motel room with a White slut he had only recently met at the check-out line at the local supermarket.

    That totals three White sluts,yes?

    No,not necessarily.Do you know why?It is elementary my dear Watson;you see the slut at the club ,and the slut in the dorm, and the slut at the motel are all three THE SAME LIL’ OL’ SLUT!Quite a gal this little slut,isnt she!

    Instead of three White sluts giving one b.j. apiece,we have one White super-slut giving three b.j.’s-and goodness knows how many others.

    The moral of the story?The same as above;impressions are misleading.If those three assignations somehow symbolized all the interracial sex happening in a given time-frame ,we might be led to overestimate,by a factor of 300%,the number of White sluts participating therein.

    Or in other words;multiple blow jobs is not the same as multiple blow job-ers.

    This is all wrong signing off.Until next time.PEACE……


  212. on January 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm tokyojesusfist

    roissy:

    I have demonstrated that the fundamentals of female beauty are universal.

    Your opinion isn’t fact.

    Tood:

    Many East Asian women have bad teeth, unless they grew up in the US.

    Dental care isn’t so good in Japan, I think it has something to do with cultural reasons. Celebrities, models etc. almost always have good teeth though. I don’t recall ever seeing South Korean women with bad teeth.

    I have made out with white 10s more than I have even SEEN black 10s, in by life. About 80% of black women are overweight.

    Despite watching all the porn on the Internet, I have never, ever seen a black woman who I would consider beautiful. There are some “hot” ones, but even they are exceedingly rare.

    Days of Broken Arrows:

    For this reason alone, anyone who supports circumcision is a Beta and an idiot (or a religious moron).

    Oh look, yet another entirely new definition of “beta.”

    Willard Libby:

    This “all Asian women have flat asses” is comparable to the submissive Asian woman stereotype. I think a lot of it is based on Japanese women who were raised on a low fat, low protein diet.

    People like to lump all of Asia together into one group. I’m not sure about other Asians, but Japanese women do indeed have consistently unimpressive asses. On the bright side, they have the best breasts in the world.

    AAM:

    Over 60% of Korean American women choose to marry white as opposed to only 20% who choose other Korean American men. Two generations of this and they are left with only 4% of their original population (the eurasians are even less likely to marry asians) while the rest are socially and culturally white. Race-traitors, the lot of them.

    I wasn’t aware that one has to be “loyal” to one’s race. Is this some kind of new UN resolution that I have not heard about?

    I’m white and overwhelmingly attracted to Asians (mainly Japanese and Koreans). I don’t think I would even want to be in a relationship with a non-Asian.


  213. The quality of an Asian woman’s ass improves as one goes down ‘south’ on the Pacific ‘Rim’.

    Japanese < Korean < Chinese < Taiwanese < Viet/Filipino

    Of course, being raised in the West can improve a Chinese woman’s ass. Korean/Japanese – not so much.


  214. Given all the hate to black women here, I have to announce that I’m usually more attracted to African women than South Asians ie. caucasoids of the same colour and DEFINITELY more attracted to the average black woman than the average East Asian.

    Usually it’s all swamped by my overwhelming preference for pale skin and long hair, but I don’t see where the dislike on African facial features comes from.

    And I’m usually more attracted to West Africans than East Africans which also seems to be unusual.


  215. All else being equal, men prefer women who are paler than them and women prefer men who are darker than them.

    Which doesn’t mean that midnight-black men and porcelain-pale princesses are at the summit of sexual appeal. Eva Mendes was at the top of the recent Askmen rankings of the Top 100 hottest women worldwide, and in terms of shading she probably represents the coloration attractive to the greatest number of American men.

    Steve Harvey, being fairly light-skinned, would likely outpull a doppelganger who was colored like the late Bernie Mac. He’s closer to the skin-tone average.

    I’m fairly impartial to skin color. Historically I’m more attracted to dark-skinned Bangladeshi women than flaxen Swedes. A lot of that has to do with culture and physical dimensions rather than coloring, though.

    I submit Tongan men and women as residing at the summit of amortized “racial” attractiveness.


  216. PA –

    Let’s be honest. White birth rates are below replacement rates, in fact half. For example, Italy and Spain have TFRs of 1.1 or so. That means that every generation will be half the one before. Italy and Spain will get smaller in native populations every year. In about fifty years, there will be no more Italians. Or Russians. Or native Spaniards. Only Muslims will live in those places.

    Even in a closed system, falling birthrates means collapse of wealth, since the greatest capital is human capital. Japan’s experience is pretty telling.

    Willard — I don’t think Black males as a group behave much more different than White British underclass men. It’s the same phenomena, single motherhood. I would also object on historical grounds on “European Superiority” as innately racial — Europe during the Dark Ages or pre-Roman was not very different from it’s African (including sub-Saharan) counterparts. European prosperity based on male cooperation is a recent (post 900 AD) feature resulting from Judeo-Christian monogamy, Roman law legacy, and small holding suppression of “Big Men.”

    Culture matters. A whole lot. People forget that non-Roman Europe was a nasty tribal mess, only with lots of snow, and the Vikings were not that different from say, the Bantu or Zulus, except for their marvelous, fantastic boats and seamanship. Guys like Eric Bloodaxe or Harald Bluetooth would be quite at home hanging out with Idi Amin. The idea of Europe we have is recent development, with the same genetic stock.

    Grace Jones, the Williams Sisters, look like NFL linebackers. Meanwhile, Maria Sharapova has tons of commercials because she’s pretty. Black women certainly CAN be pretty, but the current crop of Athletes on display are not it. Even within “pretty” White female swimmers, say Amanda Beard is cuter and more feminine and attractive than say Dara Torres, the Roid Wonder.

    Lance — “super bitchy and aggressive” describes female characters on TV guys lust after: Eliza Dushku, Andrea Parker (uber bitchy and aggressive), Yvonne Strahowski on “Chuck.” Pretty much most of the babes on Battlestar Galactica. The idea being that they get “tamed” in bed. The male response to that psychological construction means it’s not the attitude, rather the physique or physical.

    Obsidian — Hollywood has no real strong White leading men, absent Russel Crowe. That’s it. Vs. Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Jaime Fox, etc. Hollywood does not like traditional strong White leading men, not surprising given it’s domination by gays and women in most of the creative process.

    I don’t think Black or White guys are inferior or superior, just very culturally different. Mostly due to single motherhood. THAT is the big marker. There is also of course the cultural shift in Black women for thugs as denoted by T AKA Ricky Raw.

    PA — agreed completely on immigration. Also on the oblivion. Obama is of course all “Black” and the line of his mother effectively dead. It’s the way it works excepting guys like Tiger Woods.


  217. “I HOPE you are right, and that an Obama presidency isn’t going to push a bunch of SWPL women into the arms of black men looking for “change”.”

    Why, for god’s sake? Who would want to stick their vein missile in a nasal, recycling, graceless, SWPL female anyhow? They’re a bunch of fussy crypto-lesbians; if black men fall into their clutches, I pity the brothers. Gimme a hot blooded Eritrean girl with a soul over some flaccid, sweatshirt wearing, marathon running white goblin with a masters degree. *barfs*

    I’m surprised people didn’t make more noise about asian women with white men: as I pointed out when this originally came up, it’s pretty much the same dynamic. While I’d love to pull a Mu, and brag that them hot china dolls are after my cheese eating ass because all we hairy honkeys are hung like yaks and are better at X,Y and Z compared to Asian dudes, the fact of the matter is, most Asian women are porking me to get even with their daddies for not buying them a pony. In some cases, it’s literally true. I’ve also been involved with a couple of *married* Asian women who pretty much saw me as a sort of barnyard animal they could use as a scratching post for a while, and to get even with their husbands. They weren’t exactly cream of the crop psychologically, though most white men would have thought they won the lottery, physically. This effect is less true in America, but it’s *very* obvious as a round-eye visiting Asian countries. In Korea, for example, an unmarried woman of 23 who has slept with more than one man is considered as much an over the hill slut by Koreans as the creature Bakos is to Americans with functioning eyeballs. As such, they’re social outcasts. Of course they go for white dudes; compared to white women, they’re young, hot, charming, and relatively unsoiled, so the white guys are happy to get them. Plus, white guys are high status and rich compared to the kind of Korean dude these women could get, who are usually going to be drunk ne’er do wells.

    Also, Roissy, you are a cruel man for making me watch that shambling orc touching dildoes. I mean, this woman should be knitting sweaters in a retirement home; the idea of anything peen-like entering her cavernous stink hole gives me castration anxiety.

    Whiskey, Weimer: the Huns success was largely due to their mobility and skill with the bow from horseback (Arabs didn’t use bow from horseback). Westerners military success has generally been from the use of some variety of armored phalanx combat. There have been exceptions; Alexander did use cavalry (though in a much different way from the Mongols or Huns). Belisarius used cavalry much like the Huns did. Downside to Hun-like combat is you need a nomadic lifestyle to support and train the troops, otherwise the time it takes to develop “arrow from horseback” skills is measured in decades. That’s why Hunnic or Mongol empires never last. The logistics and training of phalanx warfare is much easier to manage. FWIIW, there is an amazing and mostly untold story of a Roman legion captured by the Parthians, then captured on the Parthian border with China. The Chinese used them and their descendants as armored shock troops for over 100 years. Supposedly, the graveyard, complete with Latin names can still be viewed in China.


  218. on January 24, 2009 at 9:01 pm ironrailsironweights

    Cleanliness is next to Godliness … especially when it comes to the GNP. Rub-a-dub-dub!

    Peter


  219. on January 24, 2009 at 9:02 pm Willard Libby

    PA – Willard- yes, black guys’ obsession with bedding white women does fit your “ticket out of Africa” point. But why don’t you see black females want the same thing? Presumably this desire would not be gender-specific. Why don’t black women try to get pregnant with white guys, or at least artificially insemnate themselves with white sperm?

    Some do. Such as these two here.

    But as I’ve said REPEATEDLY it doesn’t matter what black women WANT, it’s what they’re gonna get. And the fact is most White men don’t want them AT ALL so black women aint gonna get them or their sperm.

    Men have a choice in this matter and black women are on average at the bottom of the list of most male preferences, regardless of the race of the male.

    White women are at THE TOP of almost all male preferences for women based on race.

    Now when explaining the likes of Strom Thurmond and the stereotypical White plantation owners, my guess is back then the White women were more chaste and sexually restrained. Combine that with the fact that many black females wanted to be inseminated by White men, especially higher status males because they wanted lighter, less negroid babies and they also wanted the protection and benefits of having a child by a White man.

    Remember in ALL of American history from slave times, Jim Crow up to today the main threat to rape and sexual abuse a black woman has been a black MALE.

    The black females wanted White men to protect them from black boys who wouldn’t take no for an answer.

    I don’t know that black male slaves needed a lot of “game” to have sex with a black female slave. Who was there to protect her other than the White owner?

    No doubt many black females made every effort to get those White men. But today with all the loose White women and Asian women it takes a lot of female “game” to get a White man interested in a black female.

    White men just don’t care. On the other hand the black males is endlessly obsessed with the White woman.

    Obsidian – Willard-I see you’re not terribly up on your American history either. You’re really hittin’ outta ballpark.

    I know a lot about American history and world history. And I think I hit it out of the ballpark. Grandslam.


  220. “Women now have the right to choose who they want to bed down. When it comes to a hot White guy, and a hot Brotha, take a wild guess who wins.”

    If she’s white, 75% of the time the white guy will win…now look, in NYC I see a decent amount of attractive white women with black guys. Lately, I even see some with Asian guys! But the vast, vast majority of black guys are with black women.

    Women like to experiment with different races dating wise, when it comes time for long term they like to stay within their race. The vast majority of NBA and NFL stars marry black women. Now of course, a white women who regularly fucks black men is branded, rightfully, as loose and reckless, and not suitable for a long-term relationship. Now of course, you don’t always know what your girl’s done in the past, which makes it important nowadays to (1) date younger women who have had less chance to slut around and get STD’s and (2) be smart and vigorous in finding out, subtlely about your girl’s background and friendships.

    I will say this – if a girl dated blacks but not in a whorish way and it wasn’t “because” they were black, but that she liked them as people, I’d have no problem with it.


  221. Hate to say it like this, but simply put, Women in general, certain types of White Women especially, get scared off easily by too strong a show of Alphaness. Gotta rope em in slowly and in a subtle fashion…

    I realize I don’t speak for the majority of women, not by a long shot, but I have another spin on this: some of us respect a man’s ability to maintain control over his Alphaness (or whatever you want to call it.) A man who possesses power that he’s unable to control doesn’t deserve my respect. And without respect, there’s not even a ghost of a chance that sex will ever enter the picture.

    I can see why Denzel has such near-universal appeal, same deal w/a Will Smith and of course, a Barack Obama or a Sidney Poitier.

    Totally agree re: Will Smith. Sidney Poitier…not so much, but that might be generational. Despite his relative youth, I don’t see Obama as having any sex appeal whatsoever, though. Which, frankly, is how I want my world leaders: focused on doing their jobs, not fucking around. I want a big ol’ disembodied brain in a glass dome working on things, a la Star Trek.

    Its kinda like having a V12 Astin Martin, its not necessary to go roaring down every street to show what you got. If that makes sense.

    YES. And possibly not all that coincidentally, it bears some resemblance to underlying principles of many martial arts.


  222. tokyo, I’ll concede on the average Japanese girl. Maybe. Mrs D has better teeth than I do, probably a case of natural fluoride in the well water. She is by far the best I’ve ever seen, no cavities until adulthood. Averages bury specifics, but I never dated an average.

    Mrs D doesn’t have your average Japanese hips, either. Before kids, she had the tiniest waist I had ever seen on a woman. She is still exceptional.

    Specific examples don’t confirm or refute averages. I’ve always gone for individuals, or not as the case may have been, so the whole race thing falls apart. That’s why I don’t take offense at the comments. I’m me, not some average white guy. I guess I’d be a race traitor, but then the Irish half used to be considered not white not that many generations ago, so maybe my dad started it and I’m just carrying on with family tradition.


  223. If there ever was a man who cashed in his marital chips too early, it is Barack Obama.

    At the opposite end of the spectrum : John McCain. He got a woman 17 years younger, wealthy, and hot. He is the most Alpha man in this group.

    GWB also married well : Laura Welch was a schoolteacher with a heart of gold. As first lady, she was dignified and loveable.

    Bill Clinton married ‘well’ to the extent that his wife is really his roommate, and permits him to have affairs. She also made most of the family’s money before 1992.

    John Kerry is a gigolo. He married a woman 5 years older than him who didn’t even take his last name.

    The deepest love of all, however, was Nancy Reagan’s love for Ronald.


  224. Uhhhhh…. to Willard….
    Ever BEEN to the South???? Born and bred baby, and most black women weren’t willing participants. That’s commonly known amongst anyone with family there before the 60′s. And with segregation, intimidation, etc… most black women weren’t allowed to say “rape”. Mullattos/quadroons/creoles, etc… Will Smith ain’t that color for nothing, and his ancestors are from Africa. There’s even a theory of thought that along with social benefits to marrying/dating/sleeping with white women, part of the reason that black men are so eager to sleep with white women is due to the degredation of black women from slavery. Also, I heard about that story with the marine(?) officer being killed with his black wife. I’ve heard from several black (women) friends that the black male community is VERY harsh about black women dating white men.
    – Original Grace.


  225. In about fifty years, there will be no more Italians. Or Russians. Or native Spaniards.

    Fallacy of uninterrupted trends. Despair serves no good purpose.

    Only Muslims will live in those places.

    If Muslims / non-Europeans are asked to leave, then they won’t inherit Spain or Italy. It’s not like it wasn’t done before.

    Even in a closed system, falling birthrates means collapse of wealth, since the greatest capital is human capital.

    Fuck wealth, if wealth means my death. I’d rather have my country collapse due to low birth rates and then the next generation can pick up and build it anew, than to be wiped out forever.


  226. Steve Harvey, being fairly light-skinned

    That’s funny. Where I’m from, Steve Harvey is “dark”.

    But if one million of my similarly-well behaved Slavic cousins move to Korea with me, we’ll have destroyed a magnificent four-thousand-year-old nation. The Korean elites who facilitated our arrival ought to then be tried and hanged for ethnocide.

    Somehow, I don’t see it that way. Haiti currently has a population of 8.5 Million people. If 2 million Poles were to move to Haiti over a twenty year period, I fail to see how that would destroy 200 years of Haitian culture. There would still be plenty of Haitians engaging in various Haitian cultural practices and speaking Creole. The only difference is that there’s another group in Haiti practicing their culture with no effect on how Haitians live. I fail to see how 2 million Poles or Koreans will destroy Haiti.

    An interesting example could be used in the case of Israel. The return of the Jewish diaspora to Israel didn’t magically make the local area Arabs who stuck around after the 1948 War into Jews who spoke Hebrew. They continue to speak Arabic, practice Islam, and maintain their customs.

    If Arab Muslims move into Poland, and Poles magically convert to Islam en masse and speak Arabic, the problem isn’t the presence of Muslims, but one should ask why Poles have given up their culture for that of another, and then one may find answer to the question that you’re looking for.


  227. Fuck wealth, if wealth means my death.

    Wealth is everything, PA. Even with small numbers, wealth can bring power and influence, hence the stereotypes about Jews having power. Hell, maybe white people should just aim for pure high IQ, and sacrifice the sub-125 types off to the non-whites in hopes of “saving them” with white genes.

    Also, a small number of other races, also Westernized, such as Indians / Mestizos, etc.

    PA: Czy możemy uczynić je białe?

    Well, what constitutes Westernized? Haiti’s a dirt poor nation by global standards, but its citizens speak an Indo-European based language, practice Catholicism, and wear Western clothes. Are we “Westerners”? And if we are “Westerners”, does this imply that we can make everybody Western?

    Obama is of course all “Black” and the line of his mother effectively dead.

    So in other words, if I have kids with a white woman, are my kids magically black with no white ancestors? Do I tell my kids that mommy and her family doesn’t count? As far as I’m concerned, my kids will be Haitian and French and whatever ancestry my wife has. So if my kids are half-Polish, we’re going to visit Poland AND Haiti, and they’ll learn about both cultures.


  228. “The arguments of Ms. Bakos are essentially identical to that of the Asian American Female. Self-serving lies served up on a heaping platter to disguise their disgusting natures. Forgoing continued emigration, the Asian American demographic will cease to exist within 2 generations. It’s a statistical fact. Female led exogenous marriages account for significant proportion of Asian American marriage in total. Over 60% of Korean American women choose to marry white as opposed to only 20% who choose other Korean American men. Two generations of this and they are left with only 4% of their original population (the eurasians are even less likely to marry asians) while the rest are socially and culturally white. Race-traitors, the lot of them.

    While I agree entirely with your argument and have viewed the same data that you have, let me give you the flip side to this coin, if it makes you feel better. These women are indeed race-traitors, but in the end, from a global perspective, these traitors end up giving the asian an advantage, as they dilute the white population. Combine that with steady immigration, and I would ask you to maintain perspective over this situation. The Wasian female offsprings usually assimilate allright, but I honestly doubt that the families they come from are above TPR. And while they probably will also end up marrying whites, again I doubt that these are huge families. Also, the males tend to have more difficulty assimilating, which may lead them to asian women, perhaps thanks to their partially white features. Nevertheless, that means any child from the offspring is usually asian.


  229. @Tood

    Michelle Obama isn’t particularly attractive, but I don’t think Barack did too badly. She’s an intellectual equal, a mother to two cute kids, and was instrumental in advancing his political career. By all appearances they still have a romantic spark going.

    Plus, men with daughters tend to have wives who are strongly attracted to them. Dunno why.

    As far as McCain goes, at his advanced age he still has a certain amount of rakish charm (and did to greater extent before the disappointments of 2000). Kind of a Strom Thurmond type.


  230. If 2 million Poles were to move to Haiti over a twenty year period, I fail to see how that would destroy 200 years of Haitian culture.

    Four possible scenarios: 1) they would more or less ignore each other and do their own thing; 2) then would intermarry and a few generations later there would be more lighter-skinned black Haitians around but otherwise no trace of any Polish-looking people; 3) the Poles would try to dominate things politically and you’d have somethign similar to Apartheit; 4) the Haitians would try to dominate things politically and you’d have something similar to Zimbabwe. (Didn’t there used to be French people in Haiti?)

    Hey, to give you credit, if anyone ever made me think of Haiti more than just some godforsaken half-island, it’s you, and that’s a cool thing. But I honestly don’t understand why you are such a fan of mixing people. Let Poles visit Haiti as tourists and then go home, and then Haitians can visit Poland as tourists and then also go home. This way, good feelings are fostered. Good fences make good neighbors.

    On a related note, you might know this: Napoleon drafted a large contingent of Polish mercenaries to put down a slave rebellion in Haiti, from what I recall reading, most died of malaria pretty much just as they came ashore, and most of the others deserted/mutinied, and stayed in the country.

    As I recall, many intermarried into the black Haitian population, and there are Haitians around today with Polish-sounding last names. Is this sometign you’ve come across there?

    If Arab Muslims move into Poland, and Poles magically convert to Islam en masse and speak Arabic, the problem isn’t the presence of Muslims, but one should ask why Poles have given up their culture for that of another

    That’s a strawman. Poland has been under 123 years of Prussian and Russian rule during the 19th century, and both empires tried really hard to germanize (Kulturkampf) and russify their respective Polish subjects. It didn’t work.

    The problem that happens with today’s Arab/Somali/Paki settling of Europe is that western Europe’s native elites first of all aren’t giving their citizen a choice in the matter. Secondly, they criminalize any kind of depate, or resistance to this foreign cultural invasion. In other words, those elites have turned advanced, beautiful countries, into places of hatred and violence.


  231. Hell, maybe white people should just aim for pure high IQ, and sacrifice the sub-125 types off to the non-whites in hopes of “saving them” with white genes.

    Honestly, I believe that’ sexactly what the Left is doing. As you may recall, American eugenics movement was very much a Progressive thing. Margaret Sanger et al. Why do you think SWPL are so obsessed with their own IQ while denying it exists inthe context of othr races?

    In the purest sense of the term, today’s hard-left liberals are the real white supremacists.

    But I say to hell with that! For one, even if I make the 125 cut, what kind of a life is it, being rootless, countryless, despised, and hating of every alien face you see that smiles as it serves you a sandwitch but dreams of slitting your throat?


  232. Wealth is everything, PA. Even with small numbers, wealth can bring power and influence, hence the stereotypes about Jews having power. Hell, maybe white people should just aim for pure high IQ, and sacrifice the sub-125 types off to the non-whites in hopes of “saving them” with white genes.

    So, there would be a 125 IQ white minority identifiable from the 100ish IQ pardo majority by looks alone. Sort of super-Jews, except identifiable to anyone, anytime, anywhere.

    What a brilliant deal.

    Are we “Westerners”?

    If we’re talking economics, no. If we’re talking culture, almost all Europeans would say yes, or at least mostly Westernized. Europeans, even the race realists, fuck, even the racists, include Westernized blacks in their idea of “the West”. Latin America, too. Huntington was laughed at and dismissed in Europe for drawing up a separate Latin civilization.

    Funnily, Europeans, the materialists, tend to equate the West with Christendom or Western Christendom; Americans, the religious, tend to equate the West with race, GDP or democracy.

    And if we are “Westerners”, does this imply that we can make everybody Western?

    Sure. Let’s have another crusade, or maybe we could enslave them, too, so that they forget their religion, or…

    Maybe not? Westernizing can be done if you’re ruthless enough. Mass Muslim immigration means either voting for the weak mainstream morons who think Arabs will turn into Poles if we if we just apologize, crawl, crawl, apologize and then crawl some more or voting for those who actually have the will and the strength to cut that bullshit and deal with the nasty stuff.

    The problem with b-people is that the people who are prepared to tackle the nasty taboo stuff in immigration are strong enough to tackle all kinds of taboo stuff and they always have a long list of enemies. For libertines it’s much better to just oppose immigration.


  233. “She’s an intellectual equal, a mother to two cute kids, and was instrumental in advancing his political career. ”

    That is a pretty low bar. Which major Presidential candidate did not have an instrumental wife? Who had kids that were not cute in childhood?

    She helped him build up his ‘Black’ cred, but so did Jeremiah Wright.

    He cashed in too soon. She is bossy, radical, 6 feet tall and 180 lbs. Imagine doing doggy style with her…ick.


  234. Michelle Obama is pretty in “that’s a pretty dominatrix” sort of way.

    And I have no doubt that is how she is privately. Given her actions around him, in the bed room he’s the one cuffed to the bed with a carrot up his ass.


  235. Michelle Obama isn’t hot but at least she’s not fat. One thing Obama could never do is marry a white woman; he’d have a much, much tougher time politically and he’d never become President.


  236. “Michelle Obama is pretty in “that’s a pretty dominatrix” sort of way.”

    You are too noble. I would have said that she is pretty in a “Zira’s head on Lursa/Bator’s body” sort of way.

    She is LARGE. 6′ tall and 180 lbs at least.


  237. Obama doesn’t see himself as having cashed in his marriage chips. He isn’t the kind who wants to bang chicks. Stability and normalcy are probably more important to him, and with Michelle he’s got that. These kinds of guys need to feel anchored to a woman with a strong personality. It’s not surprising, given Obama’s flakey mother.

    It’s similar to John Lennon and Paul McCartney, who could have banged any girl they wanted to, but each fiund a woman he clicked with and both seemed happy with their wives. With McCartney, especially so. Even though Yoko was a homely wierdo and Linda was an ageing signle mom.


  238. Four possible scenarios

    The first option is ideal, and I would hope that if such a scenario developed, the first option is what occurs. As for the second option, if the Poles were to marry black people and the Polish population became “black”, if they still speak Polish and perform other Polish customs, does that make Poles less Polish? In other words, must ethnicity correspond to race?

    In regards to Options 3 and 4, they would represent a nightmare scenario that I hope would be avoided, and I hope that common sense would prevail and prevent such an option from developing. OTOH, I’m here because of the aspirations of a US backed dictator who didn’t like the light-skinned folks…

    (Didn’t there used to be French people in Haiti?)

    Didn’t there used to be British Loyalists in America?

    IIRC, from what I’ve understood, the planters weren’t particularly large in number, and most were simply there to oversee the sugar cane production. Otherwise, Haiti, like most of the Caribbean was essentially mostly black with a layer of mulattos in between the ultra-small planter class. Haiti was not a settler colony like the United States, Quebec, Anglo Canada, Australia, or New Zealand.

    Plus, admittedly, I suspect there were feelings of deep hatred for the forming white slave & landowners, and the French probably had no interest in living under black rule.

    But I honestly don’t understand why you are such a fan of mixing people.

    Blame living in the United States, attending Catholic School, having friends outside of my race, being the child of immigrants, and that pesky optimism.

    and there are Haitians around today with Polish-sounding last names. Is this sometign you’ve come across there?

    I haven’t noticed any lingering traces of the Polish ancestry in my circle of the diaspora, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility of traces in other areas of the country. I’ll see if my dad or if the older folks remember anything.

    In the purest sense of the term, today’s hard-left liberals are the real white supremacists.

    Yet somehow, I’d rather have the liberals over the race realists. Somehow, I have more faith in them treating me well, or one could argue their propaganda is more enticing to me.

    what kind of a life is it, being rootless, countryless, despised, and hating of every alien face you see that smiles as it serves you a sandwitch but dreams of slitting your throat?

    Because you’re a god on Earth who’s better than everybody else.


  239. In other words, must ethnicity correspond to race?

    Absolutely. We’re not disembodied spirits.

    Yet somehow, I’d rather have the liberals over the race realists.

    Is it because they’re tossing the sub-125 IQ white discarda at you as feed?


  240. on January 25, 2009 at 12:08 am ironrailsironweights

    She [Michelle Obama] is bossy, radical, 6 feet tall and 180 lbs. Imagine doing doggy style with her…ick.

    I’ll bet she’d be a terrific f***. Assuming she has a GNP, of course.

    Peter


  241. If she has a GNP and acrylic nails, would Peter and David fight over her?


  242. Willard’s “understanding” of American History is laughable. Nuff said.

    The reason why Poles coming to Haiti or vice versa over a period of time refusing NOT to crossbreed is simple, because Men of ALL Races like to fuck Strange Poon. We are evolutionarily hardwired to want to fuck as many, and DIFFERENT Women as possible. This is why, in a LTR, the Female should either be cool w/her Man having other Women on the side-OR-she should be cool w/adopting many different identities for him, ie lots of role playing etc. Otherwise, all else being equal you’re pretty much guaranteeing your Man going out to get something extra. Especially if they exhibit Alpha traits of any kind.

    The Obsidian


  243. PA, ethnicity has almost no relation to race in Europe. If, say, a black kid is adopted by a Finnish family in Finland, he’ll be considered Finnish by anyone. Not even the racists contest that. In fact, the only ones that might plausibly force a racial identity are multiculturalist liberals (see eg. Britain).


  244. Lennon used to cheat on Yoko constantly and beat her. She even selected his concubines for him. there’s a book detailing some asian girl she chose for him. Yoko believed sex for men was a great cure for depression. For all her nuttiness, Yoko was a true loving wife.

    McCartney fooled around a lot. Or do you think a man who jumps into marriage with a woman 1/2 his age less than 3 years after his longtime wife died didn’t fall out of love with her long before that?

    I hate to say it, mostly because he won, but I think Obama is Michelle’s bitch and a beta.


  245. And, I simply do not get all the hatin’ on Bakos here. Sure, we all pretty much agree she aint our cup o tea, so why is she being dogged out so much? I for one am happy for her in that she’s getting her sexual needs met. Seems to me that her looks have little to do w/the issue at hand, since it clearly just ain’t old/fat White Women doing Black guys, and Roissy himself has noted as much above. I think *some* of my White Brothers doth protest a bit too much.

    Moreover, I don’t get *why* a White Woman must be penalized for having a Black lover or two. Sure, a Woman having 50 Men, regardless of color, running up in her wouldn’t make the top of my list for Wifey material. But simply because she had a Black Man or two, that automatically DQs her? I don’t get that at all.

    Nor do I get the idea of *forcing* Women of ANY Color to make sexual choices they really don’t wanna make. Either Women are free and equal citizens, or they’re not, period end of story.

    Anon, good points you make wrt Denzel, White Women etc. But its more than a “control” thing, because White folks in general tend to be a bit put off by the animation of Black folks. They have a more subdued way about them, and this is something Black folks know well. So its more of a general “toning down” of one’s inherent energy level. Then, when transferring it over to the sexual side, this becomes even more important, for the aforementioned reasons I’ve laidout. Hope that makes sense, even if you still disagree.

    O


  246. BDS,
    When you say that Lennon “beat” Yoko, I need clarification. Do you mean he beat her up, ie punched her in the face beat her up? Or do you mean they had a kind of BDSM relationship? Or what?

    As for her choosing Women for him, that’s a hallmark of good Harem management, both the Qur’an and the Kama Sutra talks about this. And as far as McCartney is concerned, any Woman ought to know that a Man w/immense ambition, drive, etc WILL have more than one Woman. Since this turns on most Women anyway, it shouldn’t be that much of a problem.

    O


  247. So, there would be a 125 IQ white minority identifiable from the 100ish IQ pardo majority by looks alone.

    Yup, that’s the theory. Whites stay “pure” and smart. Non-whites get a boost upwards in their average IQ to the current white norms and increase their productivity while wiping away the bad traits of low IQ. Everybody benefits.

    Westernizing can be done if you’re ruthless enough.

    Given that Haiti is a country that has been free of white rule for nearly 200 years with a brief interlude in the 1920s, what happened in Haiti for the country to meet the minimum standard of Western while other nations are unable to achieve said status? In turn, if Haiti is “Western” what about other nations around the world scattered in other regions? The Philippines? South Korea? India? Turkey? Senegal?

    Is it because they’re tossing the sub-125 IQ white discarda at you as feed?

    A pretty 110-115 IQ white girl is a good catch for me. Chubby and average height or petite and thin. :)

    I guess it’s the reason why I feel safe walking along Central Park West, and not driving in the rural countryside. There’s a presumption that they won’t do “bad things” to me, and that if anything goes wrong, they’ll defend me from the bad people. In contrast, there’s that lingering stereotype of rural residents as super racists who are all in the KKK, hate anything non-white, who’ll spit in my burger at a local restaurant or give me dirty looks, or pull me over and falsely accuse me of a crime.

    Mind you, I’ve argued that for the SWPL elites, one could argue that the desire to pump NAMs into college is due to two factors. Firstly, the effects of schooling upon whites in the post-war era led some to believe that the same process for NAMs would magically turn them into simply dark-skinned clones of the white middle class as well. Secondly, for some, there is a feeling that since NAMs underperform, they should be held to lower standards. In contrast, the same mercy isn’t given to whites who should, in theory, know how to behave and become successful members of the middle class. Thus, you’ll end up with a situation where a black person is believed to be the victim of previous discrimination, and thus needs help, but a poor white person should know better because they’re white. In theory, one could extend this to why SWPL elites believe that Israel and other countries shouldn’t attack civilians and other related concepts. In effect, it essentially makes whites into deities who are held to a higher standard than mere mortals.

    If she has a GNP and acrylic nails, would Peter and David fight over her?

    Acrylic nails don’t cover up for a flaw as great as an unshaved pussy. :)


  248. on January 25, 2009 at 1:52 am GNPs are for Apes

    I think people who lust after GNPs have latent bestial proclivities. They probably even want hair on the womans buttocks, but won’t admit it.


  249. Dave Alex,
    Question: how do you account for the fact that nearly all of the Women in my life had IQs exceeding 120 points? At least half of them were Black, btw.

    Comments?

    O


  250. how do you account for the fact that nearly all of the Women in my life had IQs exceeding 120 points? At least half of them were Black, btw.

    The Game. :)

    I’ll refrain from saying that you’re lying about the IQ of said women since I have no evidence to prove otherwise, but either your game is solid, or said females have some type of flaw that hinders their ability to date other men or feel that they deserve equivalent high-IQ males.


  251. jaakkeli

    PA, ethnicity has almost no relation to race in Europe. If, say, a black kid is adopted by a Finnish family in Finland, he’ll be considered Finnish by anyone. Not even the racists contest that. In fact, the only ones that might plausibly force a racial identity are multiculturalist liberals (see eg. Britain).

    This is why Scandinavians are such helpless tools.

    I go to Ireland, and despite my American nationality I am accepted as Irish (and I’m only part Irish — I’m Welsh, Scottish and Norwegian too). If I brought a Chinaman with me, even if he had Irish citizenship, he’d get blank looks if he called himself Irish. In the back of their minds, the Irish would all be imagining him frying up a dog in a wok. Not that they’d necessarily be wrong, but they might linger a bit on the image after having seen a Kerry dog show. To be honest, I actually like the Chinese, but they are totally mystified by the distinctions between various British nationalities. I simply tell them that they should be polite and pretend to understand the locals, then hit the golf courses.

    If the Finns really accept Somalis as Finnish, they are doomed. Too bad; I rather like the Finns and hope they can survive their naïveté. But Finns are really civilized Lapps. They absorbed too much of the Swede, perhaps, and the Swedes are the most insufferable of all white people. There is no group of white people in the world so convinced of their own righteousness as the Swedes. Just makes me want to give them a drubbing, to be honest, however, that might be in poor taste considering how effeminate their men are in general. But it would be so satisfying to give them a firm smack.


  252. Also:
    Why is this woman so villified? As I read the article, she seemed to be a woman past-prime, getting her kicks while she still can. She obviously still can’t pull what she used to, but she is getting something out of these sexual encounters. Her partners are also getting a benefit. If they’re all adults, is that such a bad thing? At the very least, she’s not hitting on most of the men in this forum.
    – Original Grace.


  253. on January 25, 2009 at 3:04 am GNPs are for Apes

    Question: how do you account for the fact that nearly all of the Women in my life had IQs exceeding 120 points? At least half of them were Black, btw.

    Because liberals have ensured that black IQ tests have affirmative action applied to them. If a Black scores 120, it is like a white scoring 100.

    And do you make all your women take IQ tests? How do you know their IQ?


  254. Lupo — quite right. Victor Davis Hanson makes the same point re: Cavalry.

    PA — I’m not arguing for immigration to replace low native birthrates, rather that low native birthrates are themselves a disaster. Largely, women don’t want kids if they can live the life of Sex and the City.

    Though that may come to an end, rather quickly. It’s going to get ugly for women, to realize that a provider is important and now having a resume that can range from 30 to 50 guys, the provider they can get is not going to be that great.

    So much for Kay Hymnowitz’s “New Girl Order.”

    DA — it’s a cultural thing. Obama is genetically half White, but he chooses as nearly all guys in his genetic situation to identify as all-Black. There are solid reasons to do so (Affirmative Action, the desire of SWPL to assign magical redemptive powers to Blacks, etc.). But there it is.

    You might admit you are a rather … unique individual. Not exactly a good sample size of one. Obama is far more representative, in that he like Alicia Keyes, or the Lumet Sisters, or Beyonce, or Mariah Carey, Halley Berry etc, all self-identify as Black and culturally the line of the White parent is lost.

    Which matters, a whole lot. People don’t want to see family, traditions, culture lost. Which is nearly ALWAYS the case in Black-Non-Black marriages/families. For reasons above.

    PA — the KulturKampf was Bismarck’s attempt to de-Catholicize (and de-Austrian-ize) the German Empire, in the German speaking lands.

    DA Again — Haiti could certainly Westernize. The Japanese did so, and they came from a violent, feudal, Samurai culture at least as dysfunctional as Haiti. But that would be a matter for Haitians alone. No one else can do it for them. They’d have to want it, like the shock of the Japanese realizing that Perry’s Black Fleet in Tokyo Bay was undefeatable, and they were pawns to do as he pleased, lacking Westernization.

    It would take something like that — a major shock to major power players in Haiti creating long-term determined Westernization, and struggles putting down resistance violently (like the Satsuma Rebellion).


  255. Grace, the problem is that her reasoning is exploitive, and even in that, it is flawed. If she said she was just getting her kicks while and where she could, and preferred them esthetically, but understood that there are the good and the bad, then she’d be okay. No, she projects all these weird fantasies onto people who each have their own actual personality, preferences, and tendencies.

    Her motivations are creepy, to say the least. Men may not want to say that an old lady projecting her fantasies creeps them out because they’re not as physically vulnerable as women, and don’t speak from that frame, but this is what it is: creepy.

    Power is power is power, whether it’s physical strength or psychological advantage. She’s a White woman living in a nation where most people have been programmed to believe that “White makes right”. She takes advantage of her greater default social status and economic freedom to exploit men who are apparently not very free minded. That’s as creepy as a guy who hangs around NAAFA conventions to find someone he thinks is underconfident enough to mistreat and get away with it.

    This by the way, is why I nearly cried from joy when my TSH and T4 came up fairly well within normal range. Y’all don’t want to know how much of that kind of creepy attention I was getting. I’m still older, but that isn’t a visible mating call for guys with control issues. Being called a fatass by some weight bigot doesn’t inspire near the revulsion in me as “positive” attention from the dark side fatty fucker.

    Take a photo because I’m probably the only fat chick or former fatty who will admit to that in public.

    As an “older woman” myself, I’ve seen many of my single peers go down the same road as the creepy dudes, and not just in intercultural dating situations. They go after younger men of the same ethnicity, and do the same thing: projecting their fantasies rather than dealing with reality and finding a guy who actually fits their plausible fantasies.

    In another thread, someone mentioned, albeit with much more paranoia than I feel is warranted, basically that when people *don’t* select on at least somewhat of a logical/function oriented basis, this is a rare thing. It probably should be because though “pure” love may be relatively unconditional, there are practical issues in a romantic relationship that are not going away due to wishful thinking. People who can actually handle these things well are special cases, and should be viewed as such.

    In a way, she reduces her relationships with Black men to a kind of play in which she is the femme fatale, and he is the “noble n***er” with little if any regard for how he perceives the situation. The men are interchangeable like fetish objects.

    It’s bad when men do this to women, and it’s bad when women do this to men.


  256. GNP For Apes, Dave Alex,
    I ask because I’ve never been as obsessed about the IQ thing as most of the White folks I’ve encountered in more recent years…lemme take that back, WHITE MALES I’ve encountered in recent years. All I’ve known is that I’ve always dated “above my station” in one way or another; I’ve just didn’t bother w/Women in my caste, so to speak. No guts, no glory.

    No, I’ve never tested them myself, but I do know that they had occupations demanding at the very least, triple digit IQs to attend the schools they did and do the jobs they do and did. As I’ve said before, most of the Women I’ve dealt with held Master’s degrees, several were bona fide PhDs (a few were candidates) and at least a few were BAs. I can count on three fingers Women who were merely high school grads like myself.

    And if Grace is reading along, Right On Sister. Don’t know if you’ve seen my earlier comments, but I don’t get the constant bashing of Bakos either. She ain’t hurting anyone and its really bad form to Ad Hom 101 her instead of actually dealing with her argument.

    Dave: “Solid Game”? Maybe…

    The Obsidian


  257. Roissy, what did you think of the NYTimes Magazine article* on female sexual desire? I thought some of the claims were in tension with your general philosophy – but I’m not sure, it’s complicated.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?ref=magazine


  258. Nicole,
    Pardon me if im wrong, but from what Bakos describes in her essay, the Black Men she dealt with seemed to be well adjusted and gainfully employed; there was no “power imbalance” to use the terminology of the Jezebel Crowd. Those guys seemed to know what was going on from the giddyup and proceeded and seemed to have a good time. I so nothing in the least wrong with it.

    I know its near blasphemous to say in this venue, but Women over 40 do fuck, you know, and many actually enjoy it-and-horrors-there aint no shortage of Men willing to step up and do the deed. And enjoy it. Immensely.

    So, I can dig it if that aint Roissy or whoever else’s thing, no problem at all w/that. Fine. But to constantly put the lady down, I mean I just don’t get it. She’s having a good time, why not actually deal with her argument?

    The most prevelant IR couple in this country is White Male/Asian Female, and as have already been noted, many Asian Females have, to say the least, mercenary interests in pursuing those White Guys. I don’t recall anyone bemoaning the “power imbalance” there. And for my part, I couldn’t care less *why* they got together, *as long as they’re together*. God bless em, more power to em. Period.

    Look, people are drawn to other people for all kinds of reasons. And when it comes to the Black/White thing, the sharp contrasts of skin colors plays a role, and I see nothing wrong with that at all. All this blather about “seeing the person underneath” and so on, well duh, of course that’s true when it comes to something more longterm. Granted. But to deny or otherwise pretend, or try to shootdown, those physical things that drive attraction-and let’s be clear here-few things drive attraction as much as Taboos do-I just don’t get it.

    Im happy for the lady. She’s able to get laid in a high quality way. Good on her.

    The Obsidian


  259. Welmer: “There is no group of white people in the world so convinced of their own righteousness as the Swedes.”

    Not so fast. I think the Norwegians should be at least runners-up for this distinction. Or have you forgotten the anti-landmine campaign?


  260. on January 25, 2009 at 7:09 am tokyojesusfist

    PA:

    Fallacy of uninterrupted trends. Despair serves no good purpose.

    It’s just realism.

    If Muslims / non-Europeans are asked to leave, then they won’t inherit Spain or Italy. It’s not like it wasn’t done before.

    Who is going to ask them to leave? Geert Wilders is currently facing trial for quoting the Quran in a disapproving manner and openly criticizing Islam and immigration. And he isn’t the only one who has gotten into legal trouble for things like that. If the Jihadists won’t get you, their dhimmi co-conspirators will. I can see Muslims getting evicted or killed when the natives are completely at the end of their rope, but before that I doubt anything will happen.

    David Alexander:

    An interesting example could be used in the case of Israel. The return of the Jewish diaspora to Israel didn’t magically make the local area Arabs who stuck around after the 1948 War into Jews who spoke Hebrew. They continue to speak Arabic, practice Islam, and maintain their customs.

    Muslims, when they move to an infidel nation, try to force their cultural and religious norms on the natives using any means necessary, including violence. Not all cultures act the same way.

    Welmer:

    This is why Scandinavians are such helpless tools.

    We are helpless tools, but for other reasons. There’s nothing wrong with accepting Mr. Africa as Finnish if he is culturally Finnish.


  261. Obsidian,

    “…merely high school grads like myself. ”

    I suspect if you were white or grew up in the white world I did you probably would’ve done the college thing since judging from your posts you seem more than smart enough to go to college. This is probably at least part of the reason why you are scoring with smart chicks. Despite “game” and “looks” it’s hard to score many smart chicks without being smart. In fact, it’s hard to be attracted to them otherwise. I’m not saying you should have went to college – even for most smart people it’s a waste of time.

    You may have been a late bloomer; most men do not intellectually mature (and there is solid brain research behind this) until they are in their 20s but because society age-groups in schools sometimes men get labeled as unintelligent when they really were just slower to mature than the average when they were teenagers. A lot of men fall in this category and don’t go to college because they thought they incapable of intellectual work because they did crappy in high-school as a teenager. I usually astonish my elitist foreign-born colleagues when I cherry pick late-bloomers out of the enlisted armed services for complicated jobs; even though it almost always works out well they still don’t believe that capable people wouldn’t have gone to college.

    In the white world, if you’re minimally capable, you’re expected to go to college. As a result, far too many white people go to college – it’s more like they go because they need someone to tell them they’re smart that to learn anything specific. Few of them actually use what they learn in college; rather it is like a “certification” for their worth.


  262. Who is going to ask them to leave? Geert Wilders is currently facing trial

    Geert Wilders is politically persecuted by an evil and illegitimate regime. And sometimes such regimes overreach and provoke a massive reaction.

    In any case, don’t assume that today’s Population Replecemant fascists will either stay in power forever, or won’t change their strategy to “managing” society if they remain in power.

    John Derbyshire once made a compelling argument that today’s “new class” leftist elite is essentially amoral. They are unmoored from Christan ethics and just because today they are lathered up in hate toward their own countrymen and lathered up in love for third worlders who are brought in to replace them, don’t assume they won’t reverse this on a dime whenit suits them.

    Yup, that’s the theory. Whites stay “pure” and smart. Non-whites get a boost upwards in their average IQ to the current white norms and increase their productivity while wiping away the bad traits of low IQ. Everybody benefits.

    I figure you are joking around a little here, but are you serious that nobody loses? What about the 85% of white families who are thrown under the bus?

    In a similar vein, there used to be a meme, sometimes even perpetuated by Jews, that the Holocaust was a good thing for them because it allowed the brilliant or rich Jew to emigrate from Europe and “culled” their lesser coethnics from the ghettoes and shtetls.

    I ask because I’ve never been as obsessed about the IQ thing as most of the White folks I’ve encountered in more recent years…lemme take that back, WHITE MALES I’ve encountered in recent years.

    That’s somethign you come across on blogs where the nerdier types of guys post. Alternately, when you can run into the IQ obsession among elite liberal whites, but they only recognize IQ as a way of looking down on other whites, never on people of other races.

    I don’t thnik that I’ve ever in my daily life heard anyone say anythign about IQ, but that’s maybe because the white folks in my family and who I hang out with are just normal whites, neither nerds nor elites.


  263. JerrDogg,
    Thanks for the excellent observations, and you’ve touched on a very important point. Not only is it true that girls mature faster than boys, but in the Black community, differing styles of learning and culture have made it so that many Black boys are utterly uninterested in learning by the time they reach highschool. I know this as true for me.

    If boys in general are more active, it is doubly so for Black boys due to testosterone levels being higher on average. I was bored to death in school, and on top of that, since most teachers are White and almost always Female, there was real cultural gaps happening too. Merely sitting in one position for hours on end wasn’t gonna get it for me.

    There have been books and studies done on this, one of note by Jawanzaa Kunjufu for starters. Its always been my view that boys should attend all Male schools earlier on in life, and as they reach the upper grades they can be phased in slowly w/Females. The teachers should be all Males earlier on. Boys need more focus and discipline than do girls, but they also should be taught in the manner and idiom that’s appropriate for boys, meaning:

    Fact based, hands-on practical learning and knowledge, that shows clear and present realworld results

    Competitive endeavors and team building efforts both inside and outside the classroom

    Channeling of inherent Male aggressive instincts into productive outlets and cultivating values that lookout for the weaker of groups

    And so on.

    What turned things around for me, a product of Philly public schools in the late 80s, was my coming into contact w/a Moorehouse Blackman teacher in my final year of highschool. He taught Psychology and I ended up there by accident as I had to take one more class to round out my roster and chose it on a whim.

    This teacher taught us the importance of Psychology from a Black perspective, and it was like a new world opening for me. Though I wouldn’t go on to study it in a formal sense, I made sure to do the next best thing-hang out with lots of headshrinks. Also read whenever I could, etc.

    As for why I never went on to college, coming from a Working Class Black family who didn’t know how to navigate the system to make it happen, lack of money and the tendency to “track” Black boys automatically into the Trades, all conspired against me. But that wouldn’t mean that I would stop learning.

    Picking up a cue from one of my heroes, Malcolm X, I set out to teach myself. I would read books for free at places like Borders, an when I could earn enough, buy stacks of books at a time. I read newspapers, magazines, journals, anything and everything I could get my hands on. At one point in my life I was knocking off no less than 5 nonfiction books a month, and that was after working 60 hours plus on my feet.

    I would attend lectures or bookreadings/signings or panel discussions whenever I could; became part of an all Black Male Debating Society, and surrounded myself w/as many different people as I could so as to “soak” up what they knew about various things.

    I taught myself how to use a computer and to type, and w/the aid of mentors in an informal way, taught myself much about the Metaphysical Arts as well.

    So yea, I guess what you say about my turning on the Smart Chicks by actually being smart makes a lot of sense, and to be honest, none of them have given me a workout for not being a professional or whatever. This is what I keep trying to tell Dave Alex, but as we all know we gotta give him time to come around. And slowly but surely, he is.

    OK holla back

    O


  264. Obsidian, it’s my opinion that the woman is creepy. Maybe the guys she was with didn’t know why she was with them, and didn’t view her as such. Many legitimately-sloppy-fat or otherwise unattractive women may not know they were selected specifically because the man perceived them as a potential emotional or sometimes physical punching bag either.

    This still doesn’t make for a healthy relationship. Sure, both people might be having fun, but one person’s motivation is as a consumer, not a partner. Granted, some men may enjoy the idea of being exploited, but I don’t think most do…especially when they’re on the relationship track, and find out their “partner” was just in it for the novelty.

    I’ve actually lived that nightmare a couple of times. Now, if a non Black guy tells me he prefers Black women for any reason other than aesthetic or his having been raised around or by Black people and feeling more comfortable with us, or something else that has to do with real cultural similarity or something, I tell him I don’t think it’s going to work.

    People like that will turn on you as soon as you don’t behave as their fantasy dictates, and will screw you over as soon as being with you becomes a little socially inconvenient.

    If you or anyone else wants to trust people like that, well, it’s your funeral. I, personally, wouldn’t go near them.


  265. Obsidian,

    I apologize for my last couple of comments without reservation.


  266. Nicole,
    I hear what you’re saying, and perhaps its a Female thing which I don’t have a problem with. Women have legit security and trust concerns that are really vivid for me now that I’ve been formally studying Game. In fact, that’s one thing I’ve been working a lot, getting the Comfort deal down pat. Very, very important.

    Oh, btw, did you see my mea culpa wrt locs? And I didn’t say this before, but I think you’re doin a great job in slimming down. Keep up the good work.

    O


  267. JohnF,
    No problem man. Its cool. Let’s talk about how to be better PUAs & Lovers of Women. That’s what Life is all about!

    O


  268. Anon, good points you make wrt Denzel, White Women etc. But its more than a “control” thing, because White folks in general tend to be a bit put off by the animation of Black folks. They have a more subdued way about them, and this is something Black folks know well. So its more of a general “toning down” of one’s inherent energy level. Then, when transferring it over to the sexual side, this becomes even more important, for the aforementioned reasons I’ve laidout. Hope that makes sense, even if you still disagree.

    I don’t necessarily disagree so much as I’ve clearly not thought about this as deeply as you have, at least on a racial level. I was just trying to articulate what I find appealing about Denzel specifically, but I do think the quality I’m attempting to pin down transcends race and applies to all men.

    To quote from a turn-of-the-century Canadian children’s book, “Anne of the Island” (a guaranteed first on this board:)
    “I wouldn’t want to marry anybody who was wicked, but I think I’d like it if he could be wicked and wouldn’t.

    It’s not animalistic power that’s hot in men: it’s having command of that power, not letting it run rampant or being subject to its whims. Because frankly, a man who doesn’t have control is just as whimsical and impulse-driven as the women men complain about here.

    But you can’t go by me: I dig Stoicism.


  269. As for why I never went on to college, coming from a Working Class Black family who didn’t know how to navigate the system to make it happen, lack of money and the tendency to “track” Black boys automatically into the Trades, all conspired against me. But that wouldn’t mean that I would stop learning.

    obsidian, be very glad that you didn’t go to college. there’s a good chance it would have been a mistake:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-01-24-financial-
    aid_N.htm


  270. Couple of points.

    * I co-sign PA’s views re birth rates and immigration, which are very well put. The main problem isn’t declining birth rates, which can easily be turned around and which in any case represent free choice in action. It’s massive and stupid immigration. And guess who we owe that problem to? Ted Kennedy, the 1960s, and the PC people who do their best to make it impossible to discuss the topic as the overwhemingly important topic that it is.

    * Age and sex. It may turn the stomach of a few of this site’s younger visitors, but people don’t stop having sex at 40. 1) Deal with it. Seriously, stop being such a bunch of 12 year olds. 2) The sexual lives of older people deserve open acknowledgment and discussion. 3) Yeah, I do agree that aging people generally ought to make some effort to act in becoming ways. Old gals of 90 probably shouldn’t be whooping it up about hunky young dudes, and old guys of 90 probably should make some effort not to carry on too enthusiastically about the sexier nursing-home aides. But what if the older people do sometimes crack a joke or make an appreciative remark or (heaven forbid) actually summon up a little sexual energy and boff each other. So what? It’s even nice — they’ve got a little life in them yet.

    * Black guyz and game. What’s with the whiteguyz (and Asian guyz?) protesting about this? What Obsidian describes seems plain as day to me. Where white and Asian guys in this country are often apologetic or shamefaced (or too forced) about turning on the sexual heat, black guys often start out sexing the ladies up. Black culture is a culture that values style, flirtation, warmth, fleshly contact, being in the moment. Black guys pride themselves on knowing how to dress, having finesse in chatting up the ladies, and carrying themselves with cockiness and pride. If you can’t see this, then you really ought to clean off your eyeglasses.

    * Congrats to Nicole for taking off a few pounds. It ain’t easy, and it feels good. Have you checked out the low-carb and Paleo eating books and blogs? A very fun way to eat, and a very easy way to take the pounds off. One of my co-bloggers has taken off 100 pounds in the last year eating low-carb (and doing regular exercise) … He’s feeling great about it, as he should


  271. Obsidian, maybe it is a female thing. I just thought maybe guys would be worried about it too, but then again, maybe a woman with that kind of personality is easier to suss out or at least filter out. I could see how an exploitive woman would at least come out as overly promiscuous before one even got to the issue of her motivations for preferences.

    Yes, I saw that you said that you saw someone with dreadlocks who looked appealing. I didn’t want to gloat too much about that. It really does matter how someone takes care of their locs and themselves overall.

    For some, it’s just a hairstyle, but for others it’s a sign they’re at least on their way to a healthier lifestyle in general. For me, some well tended locs are the equivalent of seeing an Asian woman with really shiny long hair. People taking good care of their natural selves makes them more beautiful to me than painting over a flaw that’s not a flaw.

    Thank you for the words of encouragement in the “enforcer quest”. :) Friday night, I got a little reminder of why I’m doing this. A nice hood means one has to use their fangs less often.


  272. @Tood
    “If there ever was a man who cashed in his marital chips too early, it is Barack Obama.”

    :LOL:, you’re hitting the one liners out of the park. Love the humor, but I have to disagree. Having it all; 10 looks, intelligence, manners and all that good stuff is possible only in societies where women are trained to sublimate their needs to that of family building. Barrack needed a family base and community in which to practice his craft. Sorry, great speeches, intellect, blah, blah; as a single young man without roots in the community he would have been chewed up in places such as New York, or even Detroit. He married as a rational choice and it has paid off big time for him, a guy on the make needs support and understanding, not some hardhead who will not accommodate his ambition. Realistically to find all this in an Ivy Law-grad, with a stable family template, who is fitness minded(no post-baby blow up), I think he did all right.

    Though this thread is specifically about black men, the whole issue is overdone. If you want nordic or homemaker types who are still chaste, move to rural Minnesota, North Dakota or Utah. Demure young ladies seeking to build lives as housewives generally do not move to NYC, DC, or Miami. Even if they start out in big cities educationally or career-wise, these are normally the females who ask “where do you want to live”, “have you always lived in goldiggity city?” and other leading questions. Gals with rural values are not overly fond of the pin cushion urban social scene.


  273. Anon,
    Yes, I see what you’re saying; Self-control is an immense turn on for Women, no doubt about it. And, I do think a great deal of what being a Man is all about has something to do w/being Stoic at least to some extent.
    O


  274. Pete,
    If you’re referring to the NYT piece, yea, I read it the other night and mentioned it I think in this thread. VERY insightful and only confirms the insights of Game. Powerful stuff.

    The Obsidian


  275. A man’s gotta have The Power AND The Control, no? One without the other is a drag.


  276. If I brought a Chinaman with me, even if he had Irish citizenship, he’d get blank looks if he called himself Irish.

    I remember from doing some reading that there are three models of dealing with immigrants culturally in Europe. There’s the French method in which the children of the immigrants are deemed to be French, but on hyper-active version of the American method, the French expect the immigrant children to magically be fully 100% French. The second method is the British method where the foreigners aren’t English, but “British” which implies that they’ll never be fully integrated into the country, but they have a place. The other method is the German model where the foreigners will never be German, but perpetual foreigners even after a few generations.

    It’s going to get ugly for women, to realize that a provider is important

    Yes, as we all know, during a recession, men should use their earnings to be a provider to women who will never truly love them and find them attractive. God forbid men stay single, save their money, and live a healthy lifestyle with reduced stress.

    Oh wait, you’re stupid enough to believe that women have the capacity to love beta males.

    Obama is genetically half White, but he chooses as nearly all guys in his genetic situation to identify as all-Black.

    Admittedly, that’s a quirk about him that I’ve never been able to understand, but I suspect that it stems from the fact that despite growing up with a white family, he looks “black” with very little white racial features.* If you didn’t know who he was, you’d presume he was some black guy on the street. So if society keeps treating you like a black person, you tend to adopt that position. One could argue that the same thing is true for Haley Berry and Beyoncé. OTOH, Alicia Keys is obviously mixed race while Mariah Carey could have pass a white person, and in previous generations, probably would have denied any black ancestry.

    Just for comparison purposes, I’d like to see if there’s a similar as you describe in mixed race marriages in other parts of the world.

    *In Haiti, he’d classify as “red”. Somebody with somewhat lighter skin, but not a mulatto. Alicia Keys is probably the only person who’d qualify as a mullatto…

    People don’t want to see family, traditions, culture lost.

    Mind you, if I were to bring my mixed race kids to the rural countryside of some European country, I suspect that we’d get weird looks, dirty stares, and that feeling that we didn’t belong. In other words, “why are these black people here”. Of course, that doesn’t magically mean that black people will accept my children either. As an example, I remember a few kids calling a mullatto kid at school “Puerto Rican boy”…

    Haiti could certainly Westernize.

    In theory, given that the rest of the Anglo-Caribbean has higher GDPs without massive state support from white country, it’s possible for Haiti’s economic situation to improve. The problem is that the country lacks the mineral resources of Jamaica and Trinidad, the slick marketing of tourism like the Bahamas or Barbados, or the training wheels for government that the other islands had under British rule. Plus, for a generation of young Haitians, the solution has generally been to receive remittances from home to survive, or wait their turn to move to a white country and work there. Oddly, there are times where I wonder if the only thing that could save the country is a autocratic rule with a desire to modernize the country. Democracy has only created weak and ineffectual governments that just don’t seem either willing or capable of improving the economic state.


  277. Fun Quote from an interview with Alicia Keys in the Guardian in 2001…

    Teenage years saw Keys journeying from Hell’s Kitchen to nearby Harlem, where she was first exposed to rap among the area’s “underdogs, pimps, prostitutes and loonies”. She quickly came to see her mixed-race heritage as a blessing. “Harlem had Hispanic, white, black, Asian and Dominican people,” she says.

    “I felt I could talk to all of them. My mixed-race background made me a broad person, able to relate to different cultures. But any woman of colour, even a mixed colour, is seen as black in America. So that’s how I regard myself.”

    More from Halle Berry…

    I was raised by my white mother and every day of my life I have always been aware of the fact that I am bi-racial. However, growing up I was aware that even though my mother was white, I did not look or “feel” very white myself…Many times my classmates did not believe me when I said my mother was white. I soon grew tired of trying to prove that I was half-black and half-white and learned not to concern myself with what others thought. I began to relate to the other “all black kids” at my school more because quite simply…I looked more like them…After having many talks with my mother about the issue, she reinforced what she had always taught me. She said that even though you are half black and half white, you will be discriminated against in this country as a black person. People will not know when they see you that you have a white mother unless you wear a sign on your forehead. And, even if they did, so many people believe that you have an ounce of black blood in you then you are black.

    BTW, Mademoiselle Berry is currently in a relation with Gabriel Aubry, a white French Canadian model, and they have a child together.


  278. “LOL:, you’re hitting the one liners out of the park. Love the humor, but I have to disagree. ”

    Perhaps. It is true that until 2004, he wasn’t really any more successful than her, and her income was probably critical in affording him the luxury to stay in the public sector.

    I guess I am comparing him to John McCain, who married a woman who was 17 years younger, very wealthy, and beautiful, and THEN launched his political career big time.


  279. For me, I don’t care it all if a girl dated a couple black dudes, IF they were of a similar class type (not ghetto thugs). Now if a girl dates MOSTLY black guys, that’s different, because I’m not black and I’d wonder how that got to be her preference.


  280. Good points, Dave.

    Its just a fact of life that a bi-racial person, part Black, part White, will in most cases, either self identify as Black or have that marker put on him or her. Call if what you like, that’s the reality.

    For some Whites, this kind of situation is at turns, fascinating and infuriating. Just imagine what that is for the people themselves who labor under such a situation.

    Dave, its been said that Haiti’s been “punished” for daring to throw off the yoke of Colonialism several centuris back. I try to steer clear of conspiratorial stuff, but I don’t know, maybe there’s something there. Comments?
    O


  281. Stereotypes almost always have a grain of truth.

    It is a fact that different races have different average penis sizes. In correlation with testosterone levels, Blacks are the biggest, while Asians and Indians are the smallest.

    Look at this incredible article from the BBC in 2006 entitled “Condoms ‘too big’ for Indian men” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm

    The first two lines of the article are: “A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.”


  282. I’m a little confused. Beyonce is from Houston. But she’s not bi-racial. Her mother and father have been photographed, and they are both black. And yay to Michael Blowhard. My grandfather never re-married after my grandmother passed away, but he had a girlfriend years later (well, he always called her “friend”). She was a great woman who had also lost her husband. I always thought that my parents/aunts/uncles were glad that he was still “getting out there”, and had a companion even in his old age. I certainly wouldn’t want the party to stop, or all options to freeze up just because I’m 45.
    -Original Grace.


  283. jaakkeli:

    My understanding is that ADHD is generally overdiagnosed in the US of A as any kid with a behavioural problem, so the ASD vs ADHD comparison may not be as untrue as you think.


  284. on January 25, 2009 at 6:44 pm Comment_Behind_The_Curtain


    ****
    If there ever was a man who cashed in his marital chips too early, it is Barack Obama.

    At the opposite end of the spectrum : John McCain. He got a woman 17 years younger, wealthy, and hot. He is the most Alpha man in this group.

    GWB also married well : Laura Welch was a schoolteacher with a heart of gold. As first lady, she was dignified and loveable.

    Bill Clinton married ‘well’ to the extent that his wife is really his roommate, and permits him to have affairs. She also made most of the family’s money before 1992.

    John Kerry is a gigolo. He married a woman 5 years older than him who didn’t even take his last name.

    The deepest love of all, however, was Nancy Reagan’s love for Ronald.
    ****

    Barack Obama’s wife Dad was big in the Chicago Machine. Her dad was a friend of Jesse Jackson. Baracks whole career consists of convincing Big Men/Big Women to let him be their little puppet. Michelle was one of those Big Women.

    John McCain’s wife picked him…. and got him to leave his existing wife besides. His crippled existing wife.

    GWB:Laura Welch….. ah yes. The murdering harridan. That wacky lunatic killed Michael Douglas when she was only 17. Those who are troubled by this can read the “snopes” account of it. Suprisingly, Snopes has the most happy, nothing-to-see-here interpretation of the events. This is surprising because that is the interpretation Snopes ALWAYS HAS.

    Bill Clinton is deeply unhappy with his wife. His wife married trailer trash… even though she was from Family. Why? Maybe because she was a lunatic no upper-crust man with better options would want. Abraham Lincoln did the same thing. Wrote a poem about suicide afterwards.

    I have nothing on the last two wives. However, Ronald Regan was no conservative.


  285. on January 25, 2009 at 7:46 pm Benito Hoover

    @Tood

    If the then Senator Obama dumped his bedridden wife and married a heiress 17 years his junior, there is no way he could have built a campaign from the American heartland.


  286. “GWB:Laura Welch….. ah yes. The murdering harridan. That wacky lunatic killed Michael Douglas when she was only 17. ”

    Are you insane? That was a normal car accident, and the other kid who died what in another car.

    It was not a deliberate murder like Ted Kennedy committed.


  287. Dave, its been said that Haiti’s been “punished” for daring to throw off the yoke of Colonialism several centuris back. I try to steer clear of conspiratorial stuff, but I don’t know, maybe there’s something there. Comments?

    I’ve met some Haitians who contend that Haiti’s unique position as the poorest Caribbean nation is due to retribution by the United States and other Western powers for rebellion, but I’ve felt really hasn’t been the real source of trouble in Haiti. For all intents and purposes, it’s the lack of minerals, poor governance over the past sixty years, periodic hurricanes, and emigration of the smartest Haitians that has caused the problems.


  288. I think Marsha Thomason is very attractive, I’m whiter than white (though not SWPL), and from what I could google both her parents were Jamaican.

    I learned something else while trying to google her parents. Is the fact that I’d give her bonus points for being from Manchester and supporting City (and not United) alpha, or beta? On one hand, I’m considering things other than physical attractiveness in a woman. On the other I’m qualifying her. I think supporting one of the big four reflects poorly on one’s character. I don’t like bandwagon jumpers of any gender.


  289. Shit, should have checked Wikipedia first, add Thomason to Thursday’s list:

    Thomason was born to an English father Peter Thomason (aka Thomo) and a Jamaican mother.


  290. Two bits of annectdotal evidence – I was getting take out pizza yesterday afternoon and saw a working class black guy my age come to visit the 3-4 (out of 10) white gal working behind the counter. This guy was better looking than I am, and I wouldn’t drunk dial a gal who looked like that under even the most desperate of circumstances.

    Also, I’ve got a half-Korean, half-Iranian buddy who is 6’2″ and is one of the best naturals I’ve ever seen. If a guy can combine height with exotic ethnicity (relative to the States), they can clean up. Gals don’t see it coming, as how often can they encounter tall Koranians?


  291. Formal hockey is expensive, making it out of the reach of a large portion of the black population in the US. Hockey skills require a lot of practice to develop and so not having a lot of ice time and time on task due to money constraints means that a very small portion of black americans ever have the chance to get to a proficient level.

    This is kind of true, but inaccurate. It’s true closer to the edges of the geographic reach of hockey, but kids growing up in the Upper Midwest and Canada don’t get good via organized play, just like any other sport. It’s public and backyard rinks, and pond hockey (i.e. outdoor ice).

    There aren’t a lot of black people in the Upper Midwest and Canada where playing hockey is affordable (let alone the scandinavian countries and Russia where you find the game in Europe).


  292. testing 123


  293. on January 26, 2009 at 9:56 am TurkishThought

    Anti-Circumcision Activist – Your an idiot.

    I am a Turk. We do circumcision around 10 years old. This is how it happened with me, no anesthesia, no pain numbing bullshit you western men seem to inhale by the dozen. My father and my uncle grabbed my arms and wham, the knife went down and I was circumcised.

    Anyone who knows Turks, knows how hyper masculine we are. Circumcision has nothing to do with it.

    Western men have allowed themselves to be emasculated. Most of my co-workers and staff that work for me (Fortune 50 company) are weak, politically correct sloths not worthy to be called men.

    If western men are going to let women call the shots, than you deserve the cultural, economic, and political decline. Have you noticed that the true patricachal societies are kicking western Asses?


  294. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

    I leave for a good weekend and I come back and all you keyboard jockeys are in force.

    Look, I get it. This is where you insecure boys come to play. This is your treehouse.

    I will never feel a need to lie about pussy/my income or my education, and there is nothing I can say that will please people like bds and willard.

    I can attest, as I look at my bloomberg and see the dow up 98 pts that I am not same asian hiding behind a keyboard.

    So I will say it again; believe what you want fellas.

    If it makes you feel better to think that only fat white women date black men – by all means, think that. I know your kind, the ones too chicken to say anything when I show up to dinner or at a party with my date, yet you act like women, your faces clouded over like little bitches on the rag. You’re the same guys asking all the insidious questions about where we met and where I went to school, what I do… etc.

    There’s no need for the hate. Go out there and be the best you can be. Oh wait, that would entail you getting out there and doing something.

    If any of you racist underachievers ever make it to NYC and want to see how I and other young black professionals live, give me a buzz, we’ll make it a learning experience.

    Till then, enjoy your sewer.

    646Hedgie.


  295. on January 26, 2009 at 12:33 pm ironrailsironweights

    Admittedly, that’s a quirk about him [Obama] that I’ve never been able to understand, but I suspect that it stems from the fact that despite growing up with a white family, he looks “black” with very little white racial features.* If you didn’t know who he was, you’d presume he was some black guy on the street. So if society keeps treating you like a black person, you tend to adopt that position. One could argue that the same thing is true for Haley Berry and Beyoncé. OTOH, Alicia Keys is obviously mixed race while Mariah Carey could have pass a white person, and in previous generations, probably would have denied any black ancestry.

    Obama’s father was from the Luo tribe, a group that even other Kenyans consider very dark-skinned. It’s not surprising that Obama is as dark as he is.

    I don’t quite understand why Mariah Carey even deals with the black-or-white issue. Her dark-skinned father was Venezuelan, so she could avoid the entire racial issue and simply say that she’s part Hispanic.

    Peter


  296. on January 26, 2009 at 2:45 pm Bakos-scooper

    “Look, I get it. This is where you insecure boys come to play. This is your treehouse. “–What exactly are YOU doing here then,genius?

    “I know your kind, the ones too chicken to say anything…You’re the same guys asking all the insidious questions “– anybody else catch that one?

    “If any of you racist underachievers ever make it to NYC and want to see how I and other young black professionals live, give me a buzz, we’ll make it a learning experience”–You’re no professional,you’re a clown.A parasitical dead-weight on society.An Affirmative Action “achiever.”

    Your success with White women derives from a very politically incorrect fact;White sluts see Blacks as an easy lay,that is all.Thats why Bakos is pulling in Black men in their prime.Dont flatter yourself.


  297. “This is kind of true, but inaccurate. It’s true closer to the edges of the geographic reach of hockey, but kids growing up in the Upper Midwest and Canada don’t get good via organized play, just like any other sport. It’s public and backyard rinks, and pond hockey (i.e. outdoor ice).”

    There’s blacks in significant numbers in the twin cites, Milwaukee, Detroit, etc… Although there’s not a whole lot of free ice there anymore. outdoor ice is kind of mixed. You get a lot of time on task because it is free but it’s really hard to have good ice quality consistently because there’s often snow or the ice gets too cold to skate well.

    A big problem is the quality of instruction as well. This is probably why the upper midwest is disappointing in developing NHL players relative to Canada or New England. We just winged it as kids on the ponds without focused drills coordinated by adults. As teenagers we were thrust into games after poorly guided scrimmages. Hockey was more of a social sport than one where you developed your skills. And that’s no way to get to a pro level in a sport that is probably more dependent on developed coordination than any other.

    I guess one thing’s true about pond hockey – it makes you a tougher player because only wussies play with pads. I needed 6 hours of nose surgery(still have small dents), punctured my left lung twice, have some facial scars, and I still to this day have some dental work that should be done. It makes you a much more aggressive player. Oddly chicks don’t seem to dig hockey players much there either. So I busted my face up for nothing.


  298. You have to be in denial, or incredibly dense. if you can’t admit that Caucasian men are, and will continue to be, that alphas for the foreseeable future. The fucking ability* is comparable, the intelligence is not.

    *Please back-up this claim. BTW, you can’t, it’s completely subjective.

    A: How do you define “fucking ability”?
    B: Some type of research findings usually go here.
    C: I fucked VK and he has a micropenis.


  299. When I was at UVA, there were a string of armed rapes and murders against white female students by black males from the surrounding shitty areas. Race was deliberately omitted from all local and student papers, so as not to needlessly inflame racial hatred. Draw your own comparisons to Duke Lacrosse.

    You know what did make the local and student headlines?

    “Unidentified white males hurl racial epithets at black students.”

    Thousands gathered at, and decorated the “Diversity Wall”, to show solidarity for the black students who were apparently scarred for life by the drunken insults of some random idiot.

    Obsidian, you are only here because you’ve been granted a massive handicap by the same people you’re trying to antagonize. And you are far better off than you would’ve been had your ancestors not been enslaved here.


  300. Being from NYC, it’s not unusual to see black men with white women. But to be fair, I have to say the black men are getting the short end because a lot of those women were very unattractive. Hate to say it but I think there may be some anger issues being played out there.

    As for this beast, and really I don’t mean to sully any animal, Roissy just blew her crap back to kingdom come.

    There’s some brothers who will hit anything on two legs and that’s the best you can say about this hideous beast.

    If you are foolish enough to let others see your demented thought process with pictures confirming it, one can’t complain when the obvious is pointed out.


  301. Coach C,
    First off, let’s not get ish twisted, I was among *thee* loudest voices in condemnation of CGM and her supporters, much of whom were Duke faculty, who tried and convicted those three White guys in the court of public opinion. I was utterly disgusted by the actions of Mike Nifong, and the usual race hustlers who crawl outta the woodwork when stuff like this goes down.

    Second, let’s get clear on something else: I do not in any way justify Rape of ANY WOMAN. Period. Unlike my interlocutors in this thread, who do all kinds of rhetorical contortions to get around the clear and obvious fact that White Men, slavers and non, did indeed have their way with hundreds, if not thousands or possibly millions, of Black Women between 1619 and 1965 or so, when Jim Crow finally came to an end. The Black Men who are caught and convicted of Rape should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, fullstop. The poroblem, of course, is that we cannot say the same thing in reverse, the White Men who sexually assaulted Black Women at will and with impunity for centuries.

    Third, I am eternally grateful for Lincoln, the Quakers, John Browne, and all the Union soldiers who died so my People could be free-but while I say that, I don’t want anyone to think that somehow we Darkies were sitting on the sidelines. We have fought just as hard, bled just as much for this country, often when this country ain’t have a great deal of love for us. In my own family I can point to real instances of this at work and I’ve spoken about it at length in this forum. So we’ve contributed to this society just as much, and quite frankly in many ways, a lot moreso, than most others and we intend to get the full measure of benefit and recompense for it.

    To suggest that Slavery and all that it took to bring it about and maintain it, somehow justifies my existence is a rationale that I utterly reject. It was wrong, it is wrong, and we shouldn’t try to find rationales to paper it over.

    The Obsidian


  302. on January 28, 2009 at 9:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Don’t worry bout the race thing folks the way war will be in the future the first race to perfect war will be the first race to be the only one on the planet. The next hitler type will have the power to exterminate everyone else that doesn’t fit his image of a perfect being. So yea that might be where the iq thing comes into play. When slaves are not needed what do you do with them? When you can exterminate people without getting your hands dirty how easy would it be for a person to do so? All it would take is the right media push to make it politically correct to do so.


  303. I can’t stop laughing my ass off…..


  304. yeah, i’m marrying an a——- hole, black male, he used to be sweet, but now he’s controlling! oh, well so is my stupid mom, and lousey sister.


  305. but i love the stoooopid a—– hole, what can i do if he does not love me?


  306. on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 am Willard Libby

    Obsidian – As for sexual supremacy, one doesn’t need me to make such a claim; the sexual history of this country, where Black Men were lynched on the mere suspicion of looking at a White Woman, says much more about such fears and concerns on the part of White Males than anything I could.

    Yes, that racial mythology says a lot about the black male’s irrational fears of White men’s racial revenge.

    Fact is there are few if any cases of black males being “lynched for looking at a White women.”

    This is one of the many self serving racial myths blacks have fabricated for their own emotional needs.

    Not unlike the various black inventor myths – black man invented the traffic light myth, black men injected with syphilis myth, etc.

    Black men were rarely lynched for actually raping White women let alone merely looking at them.

    And considering the epidemic of black on White rape in America it’s obvious that blacks these days really don’t view White men’s racial retaliation as very likely.

    Meanwhile far more black males have been “lynched” with guns and knives BY OTHER BLACK MALES for looking at, talking to or getting to close to their women.

    Interesting that black males like Obsidian pretend not to know that and instead focus their racial fears and anxieties on White men as a threat going back to slave times.

    Black males get murdered by black males, black women get raped by black males. That is almost exclusively true now and it was overwelmingly true through out American history including during slavery regardless of the black racist fear fantasies of White slave masters raping black women or black males being lynched for looking at White women.

    Black men will ALWAYS be obsessed with White women. The White woman is the Queen of the black boys dreams.

    White women are a genetic, social, emotional status prize for black males.

    Black women are barely a mere semen receptacle to most White men.

    That’s a key difference in race in America.

    The black boy’s unresolved Oedipal issues have resulted in the projection of the father/mother complex onto White people.

    The White man is the Daddy the black boy wants to out compete and the White woman is the Mommy he wants to sexually possess.

    Obsidian is a case study in this black boy psychological dynamic. Read his comments from this perspective for understanding.


  307. So much anger. So little time. The author is enraged that women over 40 have sex….with anyone. Unable to digest the fact that human sexuality in its more complex form enables men and women to bond sexually regardless of another person’s view that ‘ugly should mean no sex, ever, not even discussing it,’ the writer claims to know that no men want this “hag.” Yet the hag chirps cheerfully about sex toys on a web video, and apparently gets published. Most men I know who can’t stand the idea of having sex with anyone other than a porn actress who is still teething simply do not understand a very obvious rule about people — sex is none of your business except when you are having it. Why the rage toward this woman? Anger because she fucks? How dare she fuck! She’s ugly! I’ve lived long enough to know that women who are not Cindy Crawfords at age 50 fuck. And they love it, and so do the men who fuck them. I think that horrifies the author so much that this rant of rage against ugly old women is more a testimony to the author’s fury over non-attractive people fucking than any specific complaint about this specific old hag. The author wants a world of beautiful young people fucking. That world does not exist. Real life is a lot of people, including beautiful ones, fucking. Ugly people hook up, stay hooked up, shack up, go out, hang out, and like each other. Why the author finds this anything to worry about it a mystery, and I doubt that anyone who’s ugly and having great sex tonight is too concerned to worry about this writer’s obsession with not allowing ugly old hag women to fuck. The author does not have to have sex with ugly people. No harm done there. And that should hardly fluff the feathers of ugly women everywhere who are happily getting laid with men who like being with them…men who have depth and men who have good lives and men who hook up with ugly old hags are not too worried either. Hats off to people everywhere getting some tonight as I write this. They’re not upset that the author hates their ugly guts.


  308. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So stop judging people and look in at your self. Man is a creature that is mad in the image of Jesus.

    So walk with him,


  309. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

    I´d rather say that alcohol is in the liver (and brain) of the beholder. Beauty is consensual


  310. I disagree with the numerous posters who assert East Asian society is strict with women, they’re not, but the women are far less slutty(probably HBD related).

    Non-European Caucasoids are fairly strict with women-India, Iran, other Arab/Mediterranean areas. This however does not mean superior sexual behavior.

    Anecdote- a white American female colleague goes to India on a business trip(Mumbai) for a week. Wherever she goes outside she gets obscene gestures from Indians, waiting in a lobby men approach her, going to a local “restaurant” customers feel it is okay to caress her body. Everyone expects this in India, in fact her company before traveling warned her about “cultural differences” in India concerning gender.

    Orientals may have good middle class values but the rest is noble savage bs.


  311. In almost every culture it is preferred in an attractive couple that man is readily capable of dominating (leading, defending) the woman. So that is why might see a bunch of white man + asian woman couples, but I have pretty much never seen, say, asian man + black woman couples. Also this seems to be in line with how certain races are in large part more verbally and emotionally dominant than others. The dynamics of asian man + black woman just won’t work out in an attractive way for most partners. I’m sure there are a few scant exceptions, though.

    Also remember that the context matters a lot for a man’s attractiveness. I’ve definitely seen a lot of black men do very well in the club scene. White chicks go for them for a dozen social and emotional reasons that works in their favor.


  312. t I remember the skin of the last black woman I slept with — it was wrinkle-free and taut but also somewhat rough in spots, like sandpaper.

    Just because you banged a black chick with rough skin, it doesn’t mean that all of us have rough skin, maybe she didn’t understand the concept of moisture. I am a black woman, and have been told countless times by men of all races and various masseuses at spas, I have very soft skin. I must be some freak of nature anomaly.

    Why don’t black chicks dig white guys and vice versa? In a word: testosterone. Blacks have more of it, and more androgen receptors, than other races. The same testosterone that imbues black men with attractive masculine features and musculature makes black women look less feminine

    Are you out of your damn racist mind? Seriously I don’t have more testosterone than a white women, or even an asian woman. Not to mention, what you and many white folks in general fail to acknowledge, is many of us black people with slave ancestry are of mixed descent, which means we are not 100% African. Most of that mixing came from white men with black women, not black men with white women.

    Please quit justifying your racism with pseudo science. It shows your lack of thought and any women of any race that would date you must either be desperate or lack any type of intelligence.

    I wonder how all those white men I dated managed to date me being so masculine and all ::rolls eyes:: These same men didn’t even act like Eminem, they were college educated white men, and for some reason most of them were conservatives, or non-American. I guess again, I must be some freak of nature, or of course a white man dating my lowly black self must be less than an Alpha. After all interracially dating a black woman is a Beta thing right?

    I agree that sedentary black men keep their dainty figures longer than sedentary white men. Black women, otoh…

    Black women are on average bigger than white women, but most white women, like most other races of women in America are overweight.

    You seem upset that this woman has written off white men, but yet in the same breath you write off black, asian, and other non white women as being for the most part ugly. Never once do you equate your preferences to your racism, mainstream media ideals of beauty, and the fact that you’re just an asshole.


  313. on July 5, 2009 at 5:50 am Gunslingergregi

    From your website,

    ”””””””””’Siditty Angry & Black Since 1976””””””””””’

    Now that is something I see in common on black peoples websites everything is about black, racist and such.

    Then you come on here and spout the word racism.

    Why do you think that is?


  314. Women of relatively unmixed West African descent do seem to me noticably less attractive on average compared to white or Asian women. However, children of mixed marriages or black women with a significant amount of white blood are quite frequently _very_ attractive.

    Yes Thursday, black women can only be attractive if they have been blessed with whiteness. Is that what they tell you at the Steve Sailer/David Duke conventions?

    ——————

    The more a girl (and her fore bearers) were in the sun the more/darker body hair she will have. Therefore Mediterranean, Caribbean and East Indians have much more hair on average, and this has of course has nothing to do with how hot they are.

    Bullshit. I am by no means hairy, and I am a “sun people” Native Americans were also a “sun people” and known for being relatively hairless.

    ——————

    Not surprisingly, black men are generally considered the best looking on the planet, while black women are generally considered below average. I would suspect that the genetic make up of the black population is skewed towards favouring masculine attractiveness.

    Yes, all of us black women are naturally nastier looking than white or asian women.

    ——————-

    An Indian female’s skin is probably their WORST feature – oily (like blacks) and acne prone (like ginger white girls). Also, south indian chicks have extremely frizzy hair that seems to get all over the place when you fuck them.
    Great features and good hygiene tho.

    Black people do not have oily skin on average, black people are known for moisturizing their skin. White people on average are oiler than black people, which is why you have to wash your hair so much more often, and why many black people are under the impression white people smell like wet dog when wet.

    ———————

    And let’s not forget black guy’s well worn love of “the booty.” White women develop “black booty” in middle age.

    No white women develop sagging ass in later age. A sagging big ass versus an in shape more muscular ass is two different things.

    ————————

    Nice Roissy – I am a white male 27 y/o and want nothing to do with black women…I chalked it up to thinking that a black women could not produce offspring that I would be even remotely proud of, do you really want a black whale raising your extensions?

    Wow, I don’t know how I got an attractive, college educated, upper management in corporate america white man to like me, after all I am a “black whale” who would make ugly children he couldn’t be proud of.

    Is this blog an extension of Stormfront.org?


  315. on July 5, 2009 at 6:02 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Siditty,
    Is this blog an extension of Stormfront.org?”””””””””””

    Wow this is de ja vu

    Everyone who asks that is a troll

    are you a troll?

    Because I don’t go to stormfront do you?

    How do you know about stormfront?


  316. Big ass women are useless and ugly. Maybe its the rise in anal sex, brought on by gay men’s influence, that makes it so appealing, too. But a woman with a fat ass is just a fat chick.

    As a 125 big ass black girl, we aren’t all just fat, some of us actually have big asses. I am the girl that has a very small waist, but in proportion to the rest of my body I have a big ass and big thighs, I also have big boobs. Black men don’t usually want 400 lb women, they want women with a large ass in proportion to her body. My white husband is an ass man, but he managed to get a woman who didn’t have to shop at Fat Asses R Us for all her clothing needs.

    I also have a good set of legs, I know that is hard or you to imagine that a black woman could be attractive, but it’s true, some of us don’t look like men and weigh 900 lbs.
    ————————-
    I want to thank Roissy for introducing a most interesting topic within the context of Game, Social Dynamics, Race Realism, Evolutionary Psychology and the almighty Sexual Marketplace.

    Race realism? I didn’t know that is what they are calling racism now. Good to know.

    ————————–

    IIRC, the lack of black people in swimming is supposedly due to the quirk that blacks on average have more muscle mass than whites, which means blacks are more likely to drown in water since muscle is denser than fat and doesn’t float. I guess nature is racist…

    OMG, how did I ever learn how to swim? Much less my father, brother, mother? We should have sunk straight down once we touched the water. Damn really, is this dumb ass racist “theory” still floating around. A white woman once told me I must have white blood because I could swim well. I was 8, I just looked at her crazy.

    —————–

    White men have close to NO need to be positively evaluated and accepted by black females. The vast majority of White men just don’t give a shit about black females or what black females think about them or their friends or which White male celebrities have been with black females. If anything White men probably have a lower opinion of other White men, friends or celebrities, who are with black females over White women.

    I’ll be sure to tell my white husband that. I will also tell the white men in the past I have dated as well, that people looked down upon them for dating a negroid person. I swear this is a KKK rally.

    So not only do White men find black women generally either merely unattractive or disgusting they simply don’t need to be accepted by them. They don’t feel like the black woman’s interest in them is of any emotional, social or psychological value.

    Yes this is true. I look at the mirror everyday and wonder why God made me black and ugly. How did I ever manage to get marred to a man of any race, and not manage to shame his family with my ugly blackness.

    ——–

    I forgot onereally obvious white actor with massive sex appeal: Matthew McConnaughey.

    Don’t you find it strange that this white actor, even with all his appeal has dated almost exclusively non white women? Even black ones. I know this is shocking.

    ————

    Now when explaining the likes of Strom Thurmond and the stereotypical White plantation owners, my guess is back then the White women were more chaste and sexually restrained. Combine that with the fact that many black females wanted to be inseminated by White men, especially higher status males because they wanted lighter, less negroid babies and they also wanted the protection and benefits of having a child by a White man.

    Those white men could have had many a white women, black women were not spread eagle waiting for “white seed”. Black women aren’t all that excited about white men on average. In most cases race mixing at that time was due to the racist power structure that existed. A maid needed her job and if she refused to fuck the white man she was working for she was out of a job. If she was a slave and refused she would be beaten or sold off from her family. Please how insulting to think that a black women would be so desperate for seed she would choose Strom Thurmond. He wanted black pussy, he got it, and as result ended up with a half black child.

    ————

    Because liberals have ensured that black IQ tests have affirmative action applied to them. If a Black scores 120, it is like a white scoring 100.

    Proof please. You can’t, because it isn’t true, dumb ass. If you had a decent IQ you would know this is absurd.

    ————–

    I’m a little confused. Beyonce is from Houston. But she’s not bi-racial. Her mother and father have been photographed, and they are both black.

    Don’t you know she must be “mixed” because she is pretty. Black women can’t be pretty without aid of some other race to breed out the ugliness.


  317. ””””””””’Siditty,
Is this blog an extension of Stormfront.org?”””””””””””
    Wow this is de ja vu
    Everyone who asks that is a troll
    are you a troll?
    Because I don’t go to stormfront do you?
    How do you know about stormfront?

    Sarcasm isn’t a concept you understand is it? The title of my blog is very sarcastic. No where on my site have I proclaimed all white men have small dicks, asians have bad teeth, or that indians smell like body funk and curry, but there have been “race realist” theory indicating that black folks can’t swim due to muscle mass, that we have more testosterone, and that we only score well on IQ tests due to Affirmative Action. I really can’t comment on how idiotic and uneducated you sound.

    No I don’t go to Stormfront, but it is obvious many of you are great supporters of the “race realist” Steve Sailer.


  318. on July 5, 2009 at 7:12 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea but a once over there where multiple black along with racist in the titles. Obviously an obsession for you. It will be ok ‘power to the people’ I work with all minorities every day. I know how you feel.


  319. on July 5, 2009 at 7:13 am Gunslingergregi

    Your husband probably saw it coming. So he knew you would always have a job. Smart guy.


  320. Yea but a once over there where multiple black along with racist in the titles. Obviously an obsession for you. It will be ok ‘power to the people’ I work with all minorities every day. I know how you feel.

    Yes you understand the blog completely. Key word searches give you a real grasp ::rolls eyes::

    Your husband probably saw it coming. So he knew you would always have a job. Smart guy.

    What the hell does that mean?


  321. on July 5, 2009 at 7:20 am Gunslingergregi

    I am thinking I could import an ethiopian woman that couldn’t be fired. Would help with my goals.


  322. LOL You are insane. You are completely absolutely insane, ignorant, and obviously don’t live in reality


  323. on July 5, 2009 at 7:25 am Gunslingergregi

    What then that ethiopian chick I know is a figmant of my imagination.


  324. on July 5, 2009 at 7:26 am Gunslingergregi

    Sorry can’t continue I am being bombed the shit out of latas. crap.


  325. Your husband probably saw it coming. So he knew you would always have a job. Smart guy.

    Actually, him being a real man, unlike you, he actually makes the money in the family.


  326. on July 5, 2009 at 7:48 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Siditty,

    Actually, him being a real man, unlike you, he actually makes the money in the family.

    OK, good for him.
    And, in return, do you keep a good home for him?
    If he’s the only one working for money, do you, in return, make sure that he is fed good meals, he’s sexually satisfied, and that the household is taken care of?
    To an extent such that he doesn’t have to do anything around the house, except for occasional tasks in traditionally male departments (major repairs, plumbing leaks and other “icky non girly” stuff, etc.)?

    If yes, then, congratulations. You have the kind of marriage that more people should have.

    If no, then you are being overcompensated. Count yourself lucky.


  327. Yes, why wouldn’t I? Of course per your friends here, as a black woman I shouldn’t have a white man, I’m too manly for that. My blackness deems me unintelligent, unattractive, poor, low class, and an embarrassment to all things white.


  328. I even change tires, and fix toilets, which to you means I would make a good negro maid.


  329. on July 5, 2009 at 8:07 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Good for you.

    As for “my friends here”, you probably don’t hang out here often enough to separate out signal from noise. Some posters (even posters who otherwise have meaningful things to say otherwise) just drop random insults and ad hominems.
    That is of course the entire sum total of feminist “argument”, but you’ll occasionally find it here too.

    There is a lot of valuable material about social dynamics, and the truth about male-female relations, to be found here. Don’t let purposely inflammatory comments from flame posters distort your image of the whole board.

    “David Alexander”, by the way, is actually black, FYI.


  330. on July 5, 2009 at 8:09 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    As far as my girl is concerned, cars, toilets, and sundry other mechanical things just fix themselves.

    And as far as I’m concerned, awesome food fixes itself, too. And our place mysteriously cleans itself while I’m working.

    It’s a pretty awesome arrangement.


  331. on July 5, 2009 at 9:41 am Gunslingergregi

    Hell yea Epoxytocin!

    I am living in ultra reality life or death right now.

    Yea I found out yet again not so easy to die as people think.

    You have to pretty much win the lottery in this one.

    He He He


  332. on July 5, 2009 at 9:44 am Gunslingergregi

    Epoxy I like to work the inner racist out of people a little bit when they come on screaming racist. Then after the rage they can more see reason.


  333. on July 5, 2009 at 10:16 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””on July 5, 2009 at 7:26 am Gunslingergregi
    Sorry can’t continue I am being bombed the shit out of latas. crap.””””””””””””’

    I am going to have to come up with better last words that would have sucked.


  334. Epoxy I like to work the inner racist out of people a little bit when they come on screaming racist. Then after the rage they can more see reason.

    Bring the inner racist out by being racist? I don’t buy it. I don’t see reason in your statements or many others here. I see stupidity and ignorance.

    In terms of naming a black guy on the board to prove it isn’t racist, I don’t buy it either.


  335. on July 5, 2009 at 3:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    But you do see how you have calmed down right. It is called an emotional high followed by relaxation. The same thing can be done with sex.


  336. Another forum spending a lot of time attacking black women.If you have some white woman talking about her love of black men what in the hell does that have to do with black women?If you nerds havent seen beautiful black women you arent in the right places or perhaps you are so prejudice and are only focusing on images which affirm what you already believe.Either way, who cares?Like it or not women choose men more than the other way around.We, as black women, have chosen not to date out.We dont go after white men in the same way white women go after black men.That’s the truth.White women being the most beautiful?Come to my office and see how much of a load of bull that is.But believe whatever lets you sleep at night.


  337. This goes out to Tood (you’re Desi, right?) and Obsidian and all of y’all!

    I’ve got a few points and a few questions to raise but my first is;

    (well, my pre-first comment will be: …For all of y’all dissing on this unattractive older woman, she is still a lot younger and better looking than Hugh Hefner! He’s a cow that needs to be put to pasture if I ever saw one! Poor guy, content to be used for his money by young women who have young boyfriends they make fun of him to. Talk about insecurities over comparisons. He must have to take anxiety pills. Imagine if any of the bunnies had black boyfriends, old Heffie would have to commit suicide due to the shame of never being able to “measure up”. LOL!!!)

    Now on to the real points….

    1. What is this “game” all about? Is it about just picking up women for casual sex or is it about meeting, befriending, dating and eventually marry a woman? Would you use the same techniques on a casual fling as you would on a woman you are interested in long-term? Are your casual flings and your serious interests both held to the same standards or do you have separate standards for different categories of women?

    2. For the Desi (I presume Indian) man who posted that he hopes this “game” never reaches South Asia… I agree with you! The beautiful thing about South Asian (Desi) culture is that men and women do not have to lower themselves and resort to silly games in order to get laid. They have a system in place by which almost everyone is guaranteed a spouse and their divorce rate is so low that compared to the US, it’s practically non-existent.

    Keep up the good work and PLEASE start giving seminars to us! Instead of attending seminars to learn “game” our men and women need to learn some marriage skills. We have enough STDs and chronically depressed people on prozac in our culture. We need more love and stability. Our drugged up teens our crying out for it!

    2. BLACK MEN!!!!!!!!!! ……..

    Now this is gonna piss the sistas on here off (coz i’m white), but y’all already know what I’m gonna say. YES. Black men do have finer physiques and appear to be more masculine than any other race of man on this planet. When it comes down to the evolutionary basics of what attracts men to women and women to men, BLACK MEN GOT IT GOIN’ ON!!!
    Back in the day the concern was for survival of the species and successful reproduction. Evolutionary-wise, primal-wise, that is what still speaks to us women, on a subtle, basic and instinctual level …. almost sub-conscious level, you could say.

    However, since our species has survived pretty well, humans are no longer solely driven by such primal needs/desires, and that is what I try to tell my friends, who it seems, all have a penchant for choco-latte these days.

    In short, they don’t know HOW TO PICK the right black man. They see a nicely toned brother (and that’s about all we got around here, is the nicely toned ones) and, being attracted to his looks and his “swagger” (that means his overall vibe/chemistry), they swoon. I am almost immediately able to tell if the brother is about something or not and I constantly have to guide them in this department.

    They seem to assume that because they look fine, that means they ARE fine.

    Also, a few of them have slept with just one brother and because the ones they slept with were well-endowed and skilled in bed, they assume ALL are like that, and sorry Obsidius, ALL OF YOU ARE NOT GODS GIFT TO WOMEN IN THE BEDROOM. (but a good number of you might be, I’ll grant you that).

    Still, it kind of annoys me, this huge ego that black males have about their mandingo reputation. And another point on that NOT ALL WOMEN CAN TAKE BIG ONES!!! In fact, I know one brother who has a hard time finding ANY woman who can take him coz he’s so big. Poor guy is lonely, despite being handsome and of quality character.

    Back to DESIs (Indian dudes). Same thing. Many of the white women you find with Desi dudes don’t know how to pick ‘em. They are picking the dudes that would never be able to woo a woman on their own back in India. (but of course, one of the good things about India is that men and women don’t have to woo or play games in order to get a life partner). But y’all know what I’m saying here. They don’t know who to pick a Desi man who is their equivalent.

    I can say that one reason why white women are looking to men of other races is because, in the case of Indian men at least, they like the CULTURAL VALUES these men were raised with. I mean, in India there is no such thing as “baby mama” or “baby daddy”. You are either married or single and that is it. So I think a lot of white women want to get back to these good, stable, family values and Asian men like Desi dudes can provide that.

    As far as white women with Black men, it has a little to do with the urban myth of their sexuality (and in many cases it is not a myth), as well as they way they ROMANCE a woman. A brother really knows how to be sensual without being corny. Smooth and sexy.

    Whoever said black men are not in “game” seminars coz they don’t need it is RIGHT. In fact, I’ve been saying that for years! What is “game” other than “confidence”? And boy oh boy, brothers put the “c” in confidence! It don’t matter if they’re fat, ugly, poor, or homeless…. they got it!

    But like I said, white women DON’T KNOW HOW TO PICK ‘EM RIGHT!

    I often refer my white female friends to the blogs and websites of black women so that they can learn what black women think about their own black men, in order to educate them on some of their issues.

    Now about Asian men with Black women, it’s on the rise. And white men with black women is happening almost everywhere I go, in small numbers, but I see it everywhere, even in small, southern towns.

    For me the ideal would be;

    A. the masculine physique and magnetism of the Black man combined with,

    B. the refined spiritual culture and family values of the South Asian Indian man, combined with,

    C. the facial features of the Middle-Eastern or Meditterenean man, combined with,

    D. the good training that feminism has provided the White man!

    LOL!

    I’m totall serious!

    That would be the “ideal man”.

    However, the flip side to that is….


  338. White girl you are retarded.You do piss me off but not JUST because you are white–it is because you come across as a proud WHORE. Giving a disortation on black men? Are you serious? Im a black woman who has always dated and eventually married a black man! see there, you and I have something in common-our love for black.Please quit acting like you are telling me, a black woman, something new in regards to black men.YOU are not black,so, therefore you dont know squat about black culture or black men (other than, what you claim to know–which boils down to NOTHING).White women like you do get on my nerves–everything you said in your post is absolutely racist and you are the stereotypical white woman who has nothing better to do than stalk black men and find out about the black man/black woman relationship so she can find out where she “fits” in–how pathetic.I bet half the black men you get with are married to a black woman or in a relationship with one.I bet you and your friends are like the stories I hear from black men and get used and abused on a regular by black men but yet you keep going back for more.You are ridiculous.Keep at it, I’m sure you will eventually find a sucka sellout who will take you.


  339. But you do see how you have calmed down right. It is called an emotional high followed by relaxation. The same thing can be done with sex.

    I didn’t calm down, you just added more racist nonsense to the mix.


  340. 646Hedgie-you are nothing more than a sad sellout little black boy whose looking for approval from anyone with white skin.you suck.you proudly admit that you arent attracted to black women and you are a black man? what does this say? you are a self hater and thank goodness you only make up a very small % of the black race.if you dont find black women attractive its cause you dont want to.black women are the most underrated group in this country in terms of beauty and you must know this.you are an embarrassment…your mama must be proud.


  341. on July 6, 2009 at 2:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    on July 6, 2009 at 10:09 am Siditty

    See how calm you where when you just came back that is what I am talking about.
    But yea if you know your pretty run with that shit. Just before there was a lot of white men love black woman but can’t get them stuff going on.

    You Siditty disprove that they can get them. It is just not that common for white men to be going after black woman for long term or short term from what the majority of the men on the board where feeling about it. Then it was trying to be pushed down the throat like oh no you do like black woman. We are like no just not feeling it. Then it was you want them but can’t get them. So it was kind of a challenge thrown out in the past.


  342. on July 6, 2009 at 2:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hits ignore button on white girl.

    See I didn’t ignore you black girl he he he


  343. holy christfuck Batman

    where’s
    Obsidian

    when you need him


  344. Mahogany, you got me wrong, girlfriend. I am not the one with the chocolate fetish. A few of my very naive girlfriends are. If you go back and read properly, you will see that I am the one is telling them that “once you go black you never go back” is a big MYTH that many black men FEED OFF OF.

    I simply appreciate that in general, black men have good physiques and muscle tone, but that does NOT MAKE THE MAN. I try to encourage my friends, if they must persist in this fetish, to at least find a black man who is ABOUT SOMETHING. But they get caught up in the externals and think just because a good-looking black man treats them “nicely” and romances them a bit, that he’s a “good man” and they want to have a relationship with. They get taken in by the game. Then later they find out he ain’t about nothin’! (and in my opinion they weren’t even all that good-looking to begin with, but I’m pickier than most women when it comes to looks it seems).

    I personally prefer men that come from Eastern backgrounds for reasons of quality control. As far as I’m concerned – y’all ladies can have your black or white American men!!! They got nothin’ I want!


  345. well, black men have all
    your slang


  346. on July 6, 2009 at 6:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea firepower what I was thinking this bitch is whacked and ovb looking for something don’t ya think.

    wonder what it is lol


  347. White Girl, (I’m not your “girlfriend” and I wish black women had a patent on this slang/context word&many others we’ve reinvented as we would be rich).I read your post quite well and I’m very good at comprehending both the obvious and not so obvious.I didn’t have to guess what you were trying to convey as you pretty much told us.However, you do speak out of both sides of your mouth in regards to black men—-YOU said that the entire black men white women “thing” has a little to do with the urban myth and in paranthesis you put “and in many cases it is not a myth” and then you have the nerve to say later that it annoys you the huge ego that some black men have in terms of their perceived sexuality.YOU then go on to say that white women are looking at other races of men, other than white, because she wants to basically get back to basics in terms of family?!? I can’t believe you are serious. That’s the sad part about all of this.I’m going give you some advice.

    First off, instead of telling your friends to surf the web worrying about black women and using the internet as the “source” for research on how to get close to black men (which is about the most desperate act I’ve ever heard of in my life) YOU would serve your friends better by telling them to stop the desperate acts.Tell your friends to stop chasing black dick as this is not “classy” and certainly not “womanly”.Taking the race out of it I’m embarrassed as a woman you and your friends are even going that far in your quest to get a black man.(Hell, I’m black & even I wouldnt stoop so low)..Seriously, it would be comical if it wasn’t so racist to begin with.YOU and your friends need to find something better to do with your life and quit feeding the slutty white woman persona (ya know the same kinda thing you are annoyed about when it comes to black men).

    One final thing, there is absolutely no reason at all for women to plot on how to get dick! and as long as you are giving your friends advice on how to “get a black man” they WILL ALWAYS GET PLAYED! Men are not stupid and if you think that any black man is going to turn down a request to reinact some sick slave black boy fantasy you and your white friends have, you are truly delusional.LMAO! Surfing the web? scheming to get with a black man but yet you have the nerve to be annoyed with the black mans’ ego? Oh, Common’ girlfriend! Men are not like women, girlfriend (which is quite funny), they generally tend to go for women that go for them and just pick the best outta the bunch.THEY GO FOR WHAT’S EASY when you are talking in terms of sex. Men, for the most part, don’t torture themselves by going after women they know they have no chance in hell of getting (only women do crazy stuff like this).So think about that the next time you and your friends meet and getting your next “plan of attack” ready for black men.


  348. mahogany makes some damn good points.

    a brother with no job, 4 baby – but a big dick – gets all arrogant bc he’s got 20 crazy white girls chasing his ‘gangsta’ ass around the club.

    and hes so gangster he lives at home with his momma, 7 siblings, a granmamma and 4 aunties.

    crazy white sluts get him arrogant – a black woman would never stoop to that level for a man

    she’s got to deal with an overgrown baby when the white bitch leaves after he can’t afford to take her shopping


  349. Again, reading comprehension skills, folks.

    Nowhere did I say that I (white girl) am “chasing black d*ck).

    I am NOT at all into black (or white) American men.

    Nor are my friends “chasing” black men. They have a penchant for them right now because of the few black boyfriends they have had.

    The only place where the internet plays here is that I advised these women to read the websites of black women so that they could get some insight into the issues of “black men in relationships”.

    Regarding the comment about white women going for non-white men for family values, I specifically pointed out INDIAN men in that regard. Certainly not Black American men!

    I’m sure there must be MANY black men out there with big private parts who are also good in bed. Many does not mean ALL.

    And yes, I see it plain as day that these black men, whether big, small or medium, really play into the myth of the well-endowed, sensual black man. Why shouldn’t they? It works in their favor. They get what they want – which is a wide variety of pum pum.

    And yes, I warned one of my friends from the beginning about their polyamorous ways, (as Mahogany brought up she thought these black men must have black wives at home), and guess what? — the dude she was seeing was indeed married (to a white woman) and on top of that, has multiple kids by multiple other women.

    There’s nothing anyone here has to explain to me about Black American or Black Carribbean men. I know their games and I am NOT interested Mahogany so no need for you to get your thong in a twist and make a youtube video about it.

    HOTEP


  350. mahogany – you may have some good points , but based on your initial post addressing White Girl , you sound extremely bitter . it would serve you better to counter her claims without bashing the shit outta her


  351. What exactly are these “good points” Mahogany is making?


  352. “Hotep”?

    I think you may want to have your Honorary Afrocentric Card updated, White Girl.

    O


  353. on July 7, 2009 at 3:26 pm BlackCowboy

    I prefer big boobs(36D-42D,girls!!!),and as a life-size Brad doll-from 1970-
    ’72,when he was discontinued by Mattel Toys,Inc.,Brad was Barbie’s boyfriend Ken’s handsome black buddy-I DEFINITELY DESIRE
    buxom blondes!!!!


  354. on July 7, 2009 at 3:27 pm BlackCowboy

    Plus,most black broads are fat,fugly and b***hy!!!!


  355. on July 7, 2009 at 3:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    I like mohagony and yea she should be bashing on white girl because whitey girl is all kinds of fucked up.


  356. Tazzy Bee, I think I’ve done a pretty good job of addressing some of the ridiculous things she said in her post.And I dont think I’m bashing her as I’m only using what she said in hopes of her seeing how ridiculous she is.As far as bitter? Thats a laugh also.Yes, I get a little irritated when I hear ridiculous statements like what she’s posting but am I going to bust a blood vessel over it? Heck no.Furthermore, I have no reason to be bitter as I’m newly married,recently lost 30lbs and feel & look pretty good so therefore I couldn’t be any happier.


  357. Mahogany, you are fighting a battle with me where there is none.

    Like you, I too think the black male fetish that some white females have is ridiculous.

    We are in agreement.

    Where I touched a nerve in you is that you thought I was the one with the fetish and was cheerleading the black man in hopes to get one.

    Never.


  358. Gunslingergregi

    Thank you. I’m glad someone is feeling me up in here!


  359. White Girl

    Actually you struck a nerve with me when you posted you give your friend sites to go to so they can know issues, us black women have with “our” men.I’m sorry but that has to be the silliest thing I’ve ever heard in my life.I dont have a problem with white women being attracted to black men(although I understand you are stating you don’t swing that way) or black men being attracted to white women.I just have a problem with disrespect. I feel like this–be with who you want but dont disrespect me in the process and when you give your friends websites to go to for “research” that is complete disrespect.If your friends are screwing around with someone whose in a relationship (& although you state this one friend had a white wife oftentimes the woman is black) whether married or not don’t say “oh, she’s mad cause I’m white”, no, she’s mad because of the disrespect that often ensues–it’s about the situation not the race–when someone is pissed they are going to call out the most obvious things about you & spit that as venom.It’s that simple.No woman, black, white or asian who finds out her man is cheating with another race of woman isn’t going to call that out.That’s just being real.

    Bottomline, if you or your friends want a black man just go out and get one–trust me, it dont take all of that what you or your friends are doing.Honestly, you sound like a sweetheart and apparently I came across a little rough when I’m not like that at all.Interesting engagement though. Thanks!


  360. BlackCowboy

    I believe you are talking about the Bertha bitches in your family–that’s if you are even “black”. Stupid black sucka–Where is the Klan when you need em.


  361. Mahogany, you got it all wrong.

    My friend had no idea her “lover” was married. The relationship moved very fast. I kept telling her to find out what he’s “about” but she is very busy (works a lot), very naive, and one of those women who are so nice and gives the benefit of the doubt to everyone so that she gets walked all over.

    She assumed because he didn’t say anything, that he was single. When she found out he was married, that was the end of it.

    When the wife asked her, “why didn’t you ask him if he was married”, her reply was, “because I’ve never had to. anyone who’s ever asked me out has always been single. it never dawned on me that a married man would ask me out”.

    My experience was the same and that is why I tried to warn her ahead of time that with Afro-Carib men, you cannot ASSUME they are single because they ask you out.

    My friends are not going out of their way to attract black men to them. They happened by chance to get involved with a few and now they are perpetuating the “once you go black, you never go back” myth.

    They are open to dating more black men but they are not doing anything extra to pursue that. If the oppurtunity presents itself again, they will take it, but this time from a more informed perspective.

    Regarding advising them to go on black womens blogs, I really don’t see the disrespect in that. If anything its a sign of respect for the black woman’s experience with and knowledge of black men.

    I am talking about white women here who have NO IDEA as to the dynamic of the African American male psyche. They need all the help they can get.


  362. White Girl

    LMAO! your quote: “NO IDEA as to the dynamic of the African American male psyche” Please do yourself a favor and quit treating black men & women like a science project.

    Ok, I tried to just leave this alone but my assessment of the entire situation with you & your friends is absolutely correct.I’ve never dated outside of my race BUT if I did I certainly wouldn’t go to the internet to “find out ” about the race I’m interested in.Just the fact you and your friends are engaging in such a desperate act (and that’s exactly what it is)speaks volumes.Of course they are looking specifically for a black man if they bothering with such a crazy way to spend time.This is for you and your friends, you are racist.If you were truly trying to be right and let nature direct your attraction that is exactly what you would do.That doesn’t require research!Here’s an example: I have a big butt so before a white guy approaches me he needs to find out about the black booty first?Doesn’t that sound stupid to you? All you are doing is affirming what many black women believe about white women: that you guys are not as innocent as you pretend to be -that you are extremely calculating and manipulative and the worst of them all, extremely insecure. Sorry but there is no justification for searching the web to find out what black women are saying about black men or vice versa (I imagine they are hoping to read something that will make them feel extra good about themselves- it’s ridiculous).Again, it doesn’t take all of that.If you fall in love with a person of another race all the education you need about that persons culture/heritage should come from them.Please quit being ridiculous.


  363. Mahogany, again. I and my friends are very different.

    They have neither lived with, or around black people. I have.

    To give THEM some insight into what black women have to deal with (with black men) I told them to check the web, since their social and family circles, unlike mine, do not contain black men and women.

    Also, I suffer from PC white guilt and did not want to be the one to tell them the truth. Its better they hear about black men from black women than hear about black men from a white woman.

    I don’t know if they checked those sights or not, but probably not, because they are very busy with work.

    I didn’t tell them to go on sites about black men dissing black women and bigging up white women.

    Your insecurities are surfacing.

    The black men they “dated” (more like “bedded”) kept them in the dark regarding many things, including their culture, and for a reason. They wanted to pull the wool over these white womens’ eyes.

    My god, what is wrong with you? You get offended because I refer white women to black women in order to learn about black men, rather than learn about black men from a WHITE WOMAN?

    Day-um!

    Drama Queen.


  364. White Girl admitted:

    My friend had no idea her “lover” was married. The relationship moved very fast. I kept telling her to find out what he’s “about” but she is very busy (works a lot)

    she better work

    she’s gotta feed

    his Kangol addiction
    plus keep him in forties


  365. White Girl, you seriously make no sense.For someone who gives her rundown on other cultures/races in her original post, you come across as very closed minded and frankly, racist (which I suspect at this point, you are doing on purpose).Hell I’ve never dated out & I have a much more open and broad view than you.I could waste time pointing out your Kerry like “flip-flips” but I won’t bother (my black man will be home soon & I need to take care of him)…Seriously, you have more excuses for your asinine statements than someone whose going to jail.As I’ve said before you are absolutely ridiculous and at this point beyond any help I can provide.Take care, crazy.


  366. Black men? THey are too black and big nosed and nappy haired to ever father my children. I don’t want their features and don’t care for their stank antitudes. Most don’t have self esteem anyhow. They go with fat old white women to get to feel that they have some how gotten rid of their afro looks by having a poor black looking child with curl nap hair. So sad.


  367. I’m glad lolo feels the way she does, because I’m sure most black men are happy to not litter the gene pool by having kids with you, lolo. I often find ugly people are often less accepting of ugliness that is mirrored in themselves.

    I find that most caucasians are not really physically attractive than is their dominating power. Obviously, confidence makes anybody attractive. Some people get it through fully understanding their weakness and harnessing and directing their good traits. Others may usually go the vanity route. Excessive makeup and plastic surgery, and tons of dye hair products has done wonders for most caucasian Americans. Historic pictures of caucasians, before the serious focus on cosmetic generation, shows a much different view of the physical attributes of many ‘whites.’

    The white race rules now, and therefore anything to their fancy is entertained. In a department store products are predominately geared towards whites, and well I guess they should be, there are more whites then any other race in America, so that’s understandable. But then too, would that not account for others being slighted and called ugly by whites piling on the makeup and accessories. A well known cosmetic product, Ambi -that has been around for many years, for black skin is only now getting Televison air time. Ha ha.

    Sitting in a salon and watching women of different race, I found most white women without makeup and wet hair a funny sight if not outright as scary as a black woman getting her hair cornrowed.

    Other races are doing fine and find themselves attractive hence the continuation of their line. A black men bedding a white woman may feel intitled after all at one point some white dude was bedding his grandmother.

    Beyonce is hot, cool! Tom Cruise is hot, cool! Yeah, they should be they are in a line of work for that. And then we can point out those also in the same line who are not! Rosie O’Donnell, not! Flavor Flave, sooo not! The point is if you’re a white man I’m not surprised you’d prefer a white woman…shocker, right? Black man, if you prefer…a black woman, a white woman, an asian, an indian…ha ha. Men are men and will prefer what they want as women. On average most people have fun with another race and often return home to what’s familiar. It’s not a bad thing. And those who don’t, no problem- through your efforts we’re learning more intimately about other races.

    There will be a time when the predominate race has to give up reins to another one and then well the mechanics for measuring beauty will change again.

    In the meantime the important thing when its all chalked up, and you ask an individual why he or she loves another person I’m sure it goes beyond the voice of the mass, the response more then likely will be, “I don’t know, I just do.”


  368. on July 11, 2009 at 9:42 am BlackCowboy

    Chris Rock is a d**k.Anyway,given that most black women are fat,fugly
    and b***hy,it’s HILARIOUS to a classically handsome black lad like me
    that these porkes have standards,while white babes(according to Chrissy)will hop on ANY piece of lad-steak available.
    P.S.I’ve been approached in bars by hot white chicks many times while
    5’4”,250-300-lb. black broads pretend I’m invisible or online,talk of all the
    great-looking dudes who’ve either dated them or want to date them,and talk junk about me for saying I’d NEVER give a second glance to an obese woman of ANY race or colour.I may be shallow,but this life-size
    Brad doll isn’t blind,and has a 154 IQ,which is another reason these blob-
    bos don’t interest me!!!!


  369. on July 11, 2009 at 9:44 am BlackCowboy

    White Girl,that’s WHY ANY MAN dates a woman-to bed her!!!!PLEASE
    GET A CLUE!!!!


  370. on July 11, 2009 at 9:47 am BlackCowboy

    Mahogany,since in addition to my great looks,I possess a 154 IQ to your,what,75,I don’t really need your opinion about my family,which contains a major league baseball Hall-Of-Famer and the first African-A-
    merican Super Bowl winning Head Coach.YOU PORKER!!!!


  371. BlackCowboy, and I don’t give a shit about you or your f*cked up family! Why don’t you stop lying- there is something called the truth. You should try it sometime. If you don’t like fat women, fine–say that. But if you want to specifically call out black women saying you don’t date us because we are fat (which is the same thing as saying all black men are dumb and in jail) than you are going to be called names–such as, SELLOUT, punk, weak, simp, jackass—so get used to it..I have a husband and he and I both agree we don’t like sucka ass dudes who claim “black” and hate on black women when they of all people should know better.You are ignorant in the worse way, you are beyond sick–eat shit and die……Say hi to the fat Bertha bitches in your family for me will ya- (obviously, you are getting this mess from somewhere).


  372. BlackCowboy, AND I bet the white chics who will even fool with your dumb ass are wider than the whole outside. You are such a f*cking fool!


  373. Plus,most black broads are fat,fugly and b***hy!!!!

    Black cowboy just because your mother is fat, fugly, and a b*tch does not mean all black women are. Last time I checked most people in America, black, white, or the other were overweight.

    Maybe if you were attractive or successful you might have a better shot at the educated black women who aren’t fat of b*tchy?

    ————

    Black men? THey are too black and big nosed and nappy haired to ever father my children. I don’t want their features and don’t care for their stank antitudes. Most don’t have self esteem anyhow. They go with fat old white women to get to feel that they have some how gotten rid of their afro looks by having a poor black looking child with curl nap hair. So sad.

    Wow what exactly is “curl nap hair”. You sound a lot like the white girls I went to school with mad when the white guy asked me out and not them. It is hard for you to fathom this, but your whiteness alone does not attract men.

    ————–

    I’ve been approached in bars by hot white chicks many times while
5′4”,250-300-lb. black broads pretend I’m invisible or online,talk of all the
great-looking dudes who’ve either dated them or want to date them,and talk junk about me for saying I’d NEVER give a second glance to an obese woman of ANY race or colour.I

    Question how do you know what these “big girls” are thinking, unless you were having in depth conversations with them? Those big girls ignore you because you probably look like Flava Flav’s broke ass brother. The hot white chicks must be drunk.


  374. on July 13, 2009 at 4:51 am semitic man

    lmao nigger men being attractive… anyone whos got sense know we enslaved these ugly apes for centuries and always their negro women left them because they wanted to procreate with fine semitic men…


  375. siditty,you moron,my mother,who’d have been 92 July 22,passed away
    Oct.9,2003 at 86.When she was a young Detroit,Mich.,woman,she was
    5’3”,118 lb.-not 218 OR-probably-318!!!!like you!!!!-and beautiful enough
    to have dated the Rev. Dave Clark,Joe Louis’ Number One Detroit spar-
    ring partner and regarded as a hunk by black Detroit ladies of the De-
    pression era.
    Secondly,I’ve NO IDEA who Flava Flav is,because I DETEST rap-reme,-
    ber,I’ve got a 154 IQ,which is why I hate that misanthropic garbage!
    Thirly,my local newspaper is doing an interview and pictorial on me later this week,because I’m perhaps the best-known sports talk show caller in North America.As well,I’ve been approached by some movie people about a role-as a handsome black cowboy-in a movie scheduled to hit
    the silver screen in Oct.
    In short,porkers-SCOREBOARD!!!!


  376. Besides,I’d NEVER consider bopping a fat broad of ANY race or colour.
    And I find it interesting,Mahogany,that you slag me with mono-syllabic
    slang,typical of the cognitively challenged,i.e. dumb.Hmm.Take your
    weight-300 lb.,divide by four,and get your IQ.Explains your stupid arguments(and fat ass!!!!)


  377. on July 13, 2009 at 1:00 pm BlackCowboy

    Like every other lad,I’d stud Scary Spice in a New York minute!!!!(what a bod!!!!)


  378. Blackcowboy,

    I assume your mother was a black woman, you said black women were fat and b*tchy. I assumed since she spawned you, she had to be fat and b*tchy. Apparently either you are really old since your mother was 86 when she passed, making you the pathetic old man in the club who can’t pull a woman of any race. Or maybe she had you when she was in her 60s, making you a product of a dusty, wrinkled vagina, which would explain your stupidity. I am really eager to see the quality of women you pull as an old wrinkly single man who calls into talk radio shows.

    Sweetie, I don’t weigh 218 or 318. I am married to a white man, college educated, not fat, and not bitchy; unless provoked by idiots like you :)

    My IQ isn’t 154, but I bet your IQ isn’t either. You call into sport talk radio shows? Wow what a career. That puts you up there with such notable careers as reality show contestant, and groupie. All that IQ is going to great use, not as a chemist, scientist, educator, or literary great, but rather to discuss sports on the radio.

    I am not an actress, I don’t aspire to be. Good for you, there is so much demand for black cowboys.

    Being a native Texan, it irks me to no end to see faux cowboys who have no idea the true purpose of jeans, boots, or a pick up truck.

    Black cowboys actually exist, I have some in my family, and I can guarantee you aren’t one.


  379. Scary spice is biracial, that would explain it, but she would never stud an old wanna be old black man who sits in bars trying to score drunk white chicks.


  380. on July 13, 2009 at 1:53 pm BlackCowboy

    sidiity,you dumb b**ch,my mother was 36 when I was born.(I’m 56-and don’t and NEVER HAVE gone to clubs-I get approached by BABES-not
    fat,retarded porkers!!!!-almost anywhere I go!)
    Anyway,I’m a Country singer/songwriter,FYI,as well as a heavy metal and garage-band drummer/lyricist/singer.So quit trying to match wits with me,because you’re coming into this battle with a sling shot to my nuclear
    war-head!!!!


  381. on July 13, 2009 at 1:54 pm BlackCowboy

    Whatever,chubbo!!!!


  382. So you are the old guy at the bar. How sad and pathetic. What woman of any race would want a 56 year old wanna be black cowboy? Seriously? This is too funny.

    Your a singer songwriter? What have you done that might be notable? A 56 year old wanna be singer songwriter.

    What is your idea of Heavy Metal? Warrant? LOL Oh you also sing and play drums too? Between this and calling into talk radio shows you sound like a winner.

    A broke ass old man who is so insecure, he must disparage a whole entire group of women who don’t even want him. I can’t imagine any woman wanting him.

    I imagine the women you get. They might be white, but they also sound like they charge by the hour.


  383. blackcowboy:

    Is this you?


  384. I think that guy is a singer/songwriter who hangs out with hot white chicks he has to pay. Just like you :)


  385. on July 13, 2009 at 5:23 pm BlackCowboy

    siditty,I don’t go to bars to hit on ANYONE-I’m the hittee!Secondly,your male relatives would kill to look like me when they reach 56.Thirdly,I am NOT broke,and if I had a billion bucks,I wouldn’t give A PENNY of it to
    your and Mahogany’s b***hy likes.Fourthly,Scary Spice is a babe because
    she’s a big hair,big boob black U.K. lass,not a fat,mouthy slob.


  386. No one wants a 56 year old man, unless he has money. No one wants a broke wanna be celebrity 56 year old man.

    I don’t need your money, that is the problem with you, you are the man excited that he gets to call into radio talk shows, I’m the woman married to a man with a well paying job.

    Sweetie scary spice has big hair, so do I, imagine this, but she isn’t the only woman in the world with natural hair. Get this, I have longer hair than her, and I have never paid for it. I’m also a DD, and imagine this, I’m not fat!!!!!! Crazy isn’t it?

    So if I am a fat, mouthy, slob, it has worked well for me. I can imagine the wrinkled pussy that throws itself at you after a night of tequila drinking. Better yet, I shouldn’t it might repulse me.

    I can so imagine you with processed greasy hair in a ponytail. I can also imagine the diamond stud earring and gold chains. I know you think it is hot, but it isn’t, and people laugh behind your back.


  387. BlackCowboy, As I’ve said before you are nothing but a fool & an old one at that! You say good things about your mother and disparage your BLACK mother all in the same post..Your answer to YOUR INSECURITIES is by dogging black women?!? WOW! What an honorable piece of garbage you are! What did she do? Did she try to beat the black off of you when you were younger and now you hate all black women because of it? OR Did she remind you everyday that you are nothing but a piece of shit just like your crusty daddy? OR Did she just ignore your sorry ass and not give you enough love and attention when you were growing up so, once again, you attribute it to all black women and decided to hate us all? You are such the stereotypical fool ass “black” (and that word is used very loosely) man who not only hates himself but would kill himself if he had enough courage (but because you are just a coward and a fraud you just can’t go through with it).You should really be embarrassed but because you are an overwhelming fool that is just beyond you.Well, you will be dead soon and you will have to answer for your f*cked up racist “philosophy”…go straight to hell.


  388. BlackCowboy, “Anyway,I’m a Country singer/songwriter,FYI,as well as a heavy metal and garage-band drummer/lyricist/singer”….LOL—You are just mad cause the average black woman is not checking for country singers.LMAO.
    You don’t even look good on paper…

    56 year old wannabe black guy who really wishes he were white,loves country music, uses silly terms like “babe” and other terms usually associated with the white race,loves heavy metal, and finally plays music in his garage! LMAO…negro please.


  389. First of all,Mahogany,my father,in addition to having worked for 36 years(nineteen forty-four-1980)at Ford Motor Company of Canada,was a
    lumberjack middleweight champion during the D


  390. Depression of whom EVERYONE who saw him fight said he was good
    enough to turn pro,but he wouldn’t because of his crooked manager and the fact that he’d have had to move Stateside to launch his career.As even Detroit,across the river from Detroit,was run by La Cosa Nostra and
    the KKK in the ’30′s,as opposed to the thieving black preachers,casino
    interests and dumb rappers who mis-govern it in ’09,Dad would not leave Windsor,as he was a REAL MAN who would NOT have bowed and
    scraped,hat in hand,to any honky,particularly the dumb red-necks who
    ran most of the U.S. then(and vote Republican and listen to Limbaugh,
    Beck,the Savage Weiner,O’Reilly, and today’s crypto-fascist braying hye-
    nas on talk radio)thus endangering his life.
    Mother worked for a clothier’s famliy until I was five,and afterwards was a full-time housewife until my two sisters and I were teen-agers.
    Iloved my parents,ESPECIALLY my mother,but she was far from an ignorant,mouthy broad like you,Mahogany,and your girl siddity.So can it and lose 250 or so lb. between you,and stop bothering the likes of me until you learn to read,write and think.(Oh,I forgot,you’re fat,excuse me,”big girls,”so you’re all that and 100 bags of chips.


  391. Depression of whom EVERYONE who saw him fight said he was good
    enough to turn pro,but he wouldn’t because of his crooked manager and the fact that he’d have had to move Stateside to launch his career.As even Detroit,across the river from Detroit,was run by La Cosa Nostra and
    the KKK in the ’30′s,as opposed to the thieving black preachers,casino
    interests and dumb rappers who mis-govern it in ’09,Dad would not leave Windsor,as he was a REAL MAN who would NOT have bowed and
    scraped,hat in hand,to any honky,particularly the dumb red-necks who
    ran most of the U.S. then(and vote Republican and listen to Limbaugh,
    Beck,the Savage Weiner,O’Reilly, and today’s crypto-fascist braying hye-
    nas on talk radio)thus endangering his life.
    Mother worked for a clothier’s famliy until I was five,and afterwards was a full-time housewife until my two sisters and I were teen-agers.
    Iloved my parents,ESPECIALLY my mother,but she was far from an ignorant,mouthy broad like you,Mahogany,and your girl siddity.So can it and lose 250 or so lb. between you,and stop bothering the likes of me until you learn to read,write and think.(Oh,I forgot,you’re fat,excuse me,”big girls,”so you’re all that and 100 bags of chips.)


  392. Iloved my parents,ESPECIALLY my mother,but she was far from an ignorant,mouthy broad like you,Mahogany,and your girl siddity.

    LOL How funny, you keep talking about what your momma and daddy did, but yet they still failed because they had you. Are your sisters mouthy, fat, b*tches? Since I assume they are black, or did your mother spontaneously make white children. Your daddy lived in Canada and your mother lived in Detroit, so your daddy didn’t even raise you? Wow, even better.

    If I lost 250 lbs, I would be in the negative.


  393. Mahogany,I speak like a Canadian.By and large,unlike you black Yanks,we can read and write.And I’m GOOD AND BLACK AND
    PROUD OF IT!
    “Use terms associated with the white race?”Well,since I’ve got a genius-
    level IQ,I DON’T LISTEN TO RAP,which uses n***ger,b***h,ho,m*****-f**-
    **r,c**t and other such intelligent words because they account for about half of these morons’ vocabulary.(Let’s not forget the baggy pants and
    Grillz.Great presentation,eh?)
    Finally,when I first began calling the U.S.-syndicated “Third Shift On Fox”,
    my braying tenor voice and erudition led LOTS of black callers(most of
    whom couldn’t form one intelligible sentence)to conclude that I’m a
    white man.This went on for about one week,and offers testimony to the lack of intelligence of far too many of today’s “keepin’ it real”(stupid)black
    Americans and,unfortunately,too many African-Canadians.
    I LOVE any big hair,big boob babe,DEFINITELY buxom blondes,but a
    curvy black cowgirl can lasso this handsome Canadian lad ANY TIME
    SHE WANTS!!!!


  394. I’m a black American, and I can read and write too!!!! Yeah for me!!!!! Most black people can read and write.I don’t have a grill or wear baggy pants. Most black people don’t. You aren’t special. Quit watching BET for all your black needs. Black women in America make up the majority of college degreed black people. We aren’t all from the ghetto, nor do we all speak ebonics.

    Wait all of the sudden now you can date a black woman, but I thought we were all loud, fat, and b*tchy?


  395. on July 14, 2009 at 5:03 pm Black Cowboy

    And BET is retarded,showing only dumb rap videos and the typical de-
    magogic black “opinion-makers”(read:scumbags!)who enrich themselves by using African-Americans as bargaining chips for failed
    “social programs.”


  396. on July 14, 2009 at 5:07 pm Black Cowboy

    Oh,and as for heavy metal,I LOVE AC/DC,Metallica,Twisted Sister,Quiet
    Riot,Ratt,Saxon,Motley Crue,Van Halen,Sammy Hagar,Dokken,Scorpi-
    ons,Kiss,in short,the metal greats.(And of course,Thin Lizzy,the Irish lads who should be in the Rock AND Roll Hall Of Fame.)


  397. Black Cowboy, Dang–You want me to be fat bad don’t you? LMAO…Oh and about your father–in other words his punk ass RAN away from the problem (or tried as racism exists in Canada too, which is probably why you are such a fool, toO cowardly to stand up and fight for anything) –look your father was a sucka and so are you. You are about the most confused old fart I’ve ever ran across. First you make your debut on this forum by making derogatory comments about my race and to be more specific my fellow sistas. That makes you no better than the white racists whom you talk about. You don’t want to be black or affiliate with “blacks”–fine, that’s your right as the sellout old fart you are, BUT you make your mistake by coming on this board and making issues you have with yourself (as it is more apparent than you fail to realize) PUBLIC! You are truly a retarded fool and I’ve said those words to you so much now you probably think it’s your name. If you don’t like fat women, that’s what you should have said.Stupid.BUT I bet the white women who will screw you are fat, sloppy and very ignorant.You are the type of “black” man who will accept those flaws from whitey cause you hate yourself BUT will not with black.You are SICK.You are exactly where you belong, with the whites (whom are laughing at your dumb ass behind your back–you are just too stupid to notice).

    Oh, and quit fooling yourself into thinking you are smart or spreading knowledge..You are ignorant but that’s okay cause I can act a fool too! PUNK ASS!


  398. DAMN this white guy is so MAD!!! LOL!!! why does he thinks that every BLACK GUY wants to have sexy with WHITE women? he is so lame like most white guys!!! he has nothing going on in his life! I am a black guy and have dated women all around the world, this guy seems to think that black MEN just sleep around with his PURE WHITE WOMEN!!! LOL!! They are the biggiest SLUTES in the WORLD!!! they chase and look at me with LUST in their EYES all the time!! lol!! I have and some that asked me for a BABY!!! PLEASE i am a STUD! and would only have a baby that with MY BLACK QUEEN that is my better half only!!! lol!! hey COME OUT YOUR CAVE!! this is 2009!!! gesh…….


  399. mahogany,you moron,first of all,my father was Canadian,not American,
    so he didn’t RUN AWAY from anything,he came back here to Windsor,
    his birth-place to raise me and my two sisters,often moon-lighting as an
    electricians’ apprentice while working at Ford Motor Company here in town.(I might add that he was 40 years than I,so he was being an out-
    standing husband and father in his 40′s,50′s and 60′s,as well as toiling
    his tail off to be a good provider despite just a sixth-grade education and
    two terms in reform school.)
    As for being a “coward,”he wasn’t a political leader,nor,like a lot of the phonies who were around then and now,he knew his limitations did what he could to effect change.Also,on Jan.20,1968,the night Elvin Hayes’ University Of Houston Cougars upset Lew Alcindor’s(now Kareem Ab-
    dul-Jabbar’s)UCLA Bruins,71-69,and ended the Bruins’ epic winning
    streak,I was watching the game on TV,then turned my head to look out the window to see Dad and a neighbour quarreling.After watching about
    two more minutes of the game,I looked outside to see the man-who was
    37,6’1”,240 lb.-unconscious in the snow after my 5’7”,154-lb.,54-year-old father leveled him with a left-hook for drop-
    ping an “N” bomb on him.
    Now you and siditty PLEASE take your ignorant a**es somewhere
    else and leave your VASTLY intellectual and aesthetic superior
    alone to laugh at you,as I’m sure almost everybody else does.


  400. siditty,as to your white husband,I’ll bet I know who wears the elephant pants between you and him.


  401. mahogany,your calling me a “sell-out” is typical of brainless “sheeple”
    such as yourself.Lacking the intelligence or intestinal fortitude to read widely-except,of course,the typical lying tomes from the usual “black
    leaders” more interested in making fortunes off diffident followers than
    advising their disciples how best to acquire knowledge and join the A-
    merican mainstream,you settle for being a sightless lemming and sinking to ad hominem rather than factual arguments.Shelby Steele is right:Intelligent,thoughtful blacks who don’t follow the herd are called “self-hating Uncle Toms” by the sheeple.And,at least I have something to sell,so I’m PROUD to be labelled a “sell-out” by your incurious likes.


  402. BlackCowboy, say whatever you old fart BUT at the end of the day that’s exactly what you are-an OLD FART & a FOOL. You know you want to think that going against blacks and calling ALL black women fat is what makes you different and “special”. BUT, my bitter enemy, it makes you a raving lunatic. I could care less about your vocabulary, as an education was not something that opened up and closed for you, BUT I do despise you thinking of yourself as some type of trailblazer. You are no different than the white guy who called your father the n word.In fact, you are worse (since of course you come from 2 black parents who you claim were all in all good to you).Why this venom? If you resigned yourself to thinking that blacks or in particular, black women, have nothing to offer you, or that we are all fat idiots–so be it.Trust me dude, no love loss.BUT, don’t try to convince, me, a black woman, that I’m worthless or fat–My husband loves me tremendously and would loudly disagree with you.So, that’s what makes you a SELLOUT (which i’m sad for your soul you are proud to hear), YOU brag about your dislike of black women when your mother was black—i’m sure she is turning in her grave.


  403. on July 15, 2009 at 7:28 pm BlackCowboy

    Mahogany,since the likes of you will never know,or worse understand,
    what motivates a man who can best be described as a brawn-I’m 5’9”,218 lb. and built like a retired 70′s or 80′s era NFL running back-and
    brains(one-fifty-four IQ,remember)real-life Brad doll,I can only hope that before it’s too late,you and the other professional victims who consider a
    independent-thinking black person a “sell-out,””Uncle Tom,”etc.,will wake up to the scam perpetrated upon you by the popinjays who are leading you nowhere but too inchoate,self-destructive anger.


  404. Who the hell wears elephant pants?


  405. BlackCowboy, You are worthless.You are the one who needs to understand history and why you are especially ignorant and a lost little old fart. Again, it has nothing to do with you being an independent thinker (of which you are certainly not)—this has to do with you bashing black women. For what reason?AND how is bashing black women (especially since your sorry butt came out of a black woman) HELPING your cause? Bottomline, YOU are the one whose angry.You are angry cause you know you’ve spent your life being a freakish, lost black man.You want to target black women just because we aren’t looking at you?–so what, that’s our right.BUT, don’t hate on us cause we don’t want you, face facts – you are corny.


  406. on July 20, 2009 at 7:08 am non-white female

    I’m from London…
    I’m mixed race/half n half

    White blokes are seriously hot :)

    and so are light skinned/multi-racial or mixed black men (mixed with white/black) etc///

    Unmixed black men can be really racist sometimes,especially really dark skinned ones (Ghana etc…) Unmixed African men are definitely racist and rude a and play strange stupid f**ing psychological games.

    I’m not a fatty but I do have a very flat tummy,nice round bum and curvy hips and nice rack… trust me…the white men like it alot :)
    I also have noticed they like mine way more than girls with the flat,shapeless male looking arses and flat chests…

    cheers


  407. I detect the scent of…

    Bitterness.
    And projection of personal inadequacies.

    Sort of like Napalm.

    In the morning.


  408. On country music. and music in general.

    As a bona fide black man, I think that one of the stupidest aspects of the popular social engineering and construction of black and white cultural identities, on the common, ho with the crowd, run-o-the-mill, levels of popular culture, has been the rigid segmentation of “black music” and “white music”

    At least for people who don’t travel, or who live in narrow conditionings of their ethnic / cultural identities. What used to surprise me, when younger and more naïve, was how many older black men I’d run into loved country music.

    Far more common than you would think. It makes sense. Little separates Bluegrass, The Blues, and Country. Tempo changes, slightly different scales, a few different chord structures, but the modes of musical white and black expression are related and have influenced each other. And were appreciated in differing communities.

    I used to think listening to country was cheesy. Until an older brother twice my size took umbrage to my mockery and encouraged me to listen. Truly listen.

    A lot of brothers of my Dad’s generation liked Johnny Cash. I can understand why. Cash was a genius.

    Much of what we consider exclusively white or exclusively black music had more of an ebbing and flowing back and forth into differing communities. The same Italian cats who would listen to Sinatra might listen to Motown. The same black cats listening to Bebop might listen to white crooners.

    This is what I get from actually talking to old guys who were cool in their day. Even squares listening to a more diverse range of music, I suspect, than you would think.

    As for Metal and Rock. Again – here is a generational matter. At a certain point of time Black youth and White youth alike were socially engineered into a narrow typology of the appropriate music for their identities. This wasn’t as much the case a couple of generations ago.

    I contend that Music has been used by pop culture engineers to segment populations for commercial reasons. Mainly, I suspect, control over buying habits.

    I’ve met many older black men and women in their 50s who admitted to listening to the Doors, Black Sabbath, and Led Zeppelin in their youth. Shit. My mom used to listen to Ozzy Ozbourne. And she was not an Oreo. Liked Motown better but she owned a copy of Black Sabbath’s Paranoid.

    And Mahogany, have you forgotten Jimmi Hendrix’s influence on heavy metal? Or the fact that most of the first generation of metal bands started off as blues bands (Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Cream, etc.)

    In my past career as a bootleg, eh, driver (think of the movie the Transporter, with a lover grade of clientele) I was once driving a half retarded thug (kid was slower than upside down honey on a 10 degree day. There is nothing worse than a stupid criminal) and his stripper/trick-girl sister. We stopped at a gas station and she ran in to get cell phone minutes. An older black man pulled up next to us in a beat up old pickup truck. He was playing 8 track tapes of the Blues. Old blues from the 50s.

    The girl’s brother looked at me and smiled this goofy grin “Shit man, he listens to white people music”

    My mouth dropped. I had nothing to say for a second. Then I manage to get out “dude, I think that’s black music.” The kid grins and hears me not. “Damn.. he’s listening to some bullshit ain’t he..”

    Girl jumps back into the car, she winces from the guy’s music. “Damn he should turn that bullshit off.

    I was like “So, have you ever heard of the blues?” Response: “what’s that”
    I’m like “Um, nevermind… so where to next”

    Similar incidents, I have recorded. Urban black youth under 35 often have highly stereotyped music tastes. Or at least the hundreds I used to drive around as an.. eh.. transporter. Strippers and ho’s were the worst. They all bopped their heads and listened to the same cheesy R&B “love songs” over and over with glazed smiles. Somewhere between my generation and theirs the classic R&B love ballad degenerated. Badly.

    I had to cut this shite out at some point. It grew annoying.
    New car rules “Kemal does NOT turn on the radio, and if he does it’s no NPR”
    Responses “damn baby boy. Can’t you turn on some beats?.”
    “No, I like the news. Listen to it. You might learn something.”
    “But we’re paying for a ride.”

    “Yes. And I am paying the car note.”
    Even offers of fellatio could not sway me. Another annoying thing. Being offered head in return for reduced fare. I am a businessman.
    I prefer cash over cock-sucking lips. Cash pays bills.

    So.. on to someone controversial and frankly weird.
    A couple of months ago a co-worker encouraged me to listen some archived shows of this Alan Watt guy at http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com

    Man sounds like a complete head case. Albeit a very in-control head case. Watt is the most paranoid shite I’d heard in ages. HOWEVER a few things he said not only made some sense, but resonated with my past studies into propaganda, public relations, and social engineering – (from more rigorous academic sources)

    An interesting thing this Watt guy rants about (from under a tin foil hat) is the deliberate use of popular music to segment populations. This resonates with materials I’d run into years ago, and things that on some level I frankly deduced (some things are obvious. You need not be Chomsky to figure them out).

    Watt has a cogent explanation or two, now and then, mixed up with some really… strange stuff. Too bad the good’s mixed with the weird.

    If you can find a snip of him ranting about social construction of identities through pop music give it a listen. The man has no discretion, isn’t very rigorous, and even seems to make shit up randomly (like his whole thing with Adorno and the Beetles. wtf?!?) BUT on this particular point… He’s square on the mark. The Black music / White music divide is simply a mode of commercial stimulus.

    Hint people, Rick Rubin produced both Run DMC and Danzig. And Rubin is neither black nor Jersey Shore Sicilian. Hint people the Beastie boys started out as a NYC Hardcore band before making the more lucrative move into Hip-Hop, then jumped back into their hardcore stchick in the early 90s mixed with Hip-Hop and retro funk. Why? Because the market would support it.


  409. Kemal makes a very good point, and speaking of Rick Rubin, he was the one who recorded Johnny Cash’s final recordings before he died. I listened to quite a few. They were quite profound.

    I’ve always been something of a Johnny Cash fan in particular and certain Country singers in general. Also, when it comes to *true Hip Hop* we have to remember that it was often constructed using samples of music accross the genre-spectrum. Doug E. Fresh made use of an old Country song that became one of his biggest hits; Chubb Rock’s “Hip Hop Rodeo” was another.

    Public Enemy and Anthrax toured together early and often, for years. And I was just listening to The Beastie Boys the other day, their classic album, License To Ill, which was a HUGE hit in the hood.

    One of my pet interests is as a Rock historian, particularly The Doors/Jim Morrison, who I liked a great deal. Again, we see a Hip Hop tie-in by noting Jay-Z’s “The Takeover”, which uses The Doors’ cut “Five To One” and clearly has Morrison’s trademark yells on it.

    For anyone to make the case, w/a serious face, that music in America is “White” or “Black”, is someone to speak from a very ignorant or disengenuous place. The easily documented historical facts accross decades, even centuries, simply doesn’t agree.

    Good lookin’, Kemal-I added your blog to my bookmarks.

    The Obsidian


  410. non-white female promised:

    I’m from London…
    I’m mixed race/half n half

    White blokes are seriously hot

    fyi: I like winegums and Boddy’s. Maybe I’ll let you buy me some


  411. on July 20, 2009 at 10:18 am mandy been here a while

    kamal

    I contend that Music has been used by pop culture engineers to segment populations for commercial reasons. Mainly, I suspect, control over buying habits.

    Because the market would support it.

    Yes, and MTV has helped to drive down standards and compartmentalize the market. Music videos make it all about the image. Talented musicians are bypassed for attractive or skanky ones. When people buy popular music now, they are just buying social status like wearing a designer label. Whether or not they actually like what they are listening to is secondary.


  412. lol, why is this thread still getting comments, months after it was written.


  413. on July 20, 2009 at 11:28 am mandy been here a while

    I dunno chic

    Also the comment have little to do with Roissy’s post, as usual :)


  414. A stray Kemal—I too love your post as far as facts go. But, I do not understand why you are responding to me with the history of music. Where in my posts did I say that music is separated by race? I was actually responding to a very racist so called black man and told him that he was a punk and a sellout, of which he is. I also find it interesting that out of everything he said you find fault with my responses as if I’m wrong for defending black women, which is a group I am proud of & part of.He judged a group of women (less not forget he actually came into this world through one member of this very group) so I judged him.Music is so inconsequential to the larger issue of his reason for posting that your response is seriously comical.


  415. on July 20, 2009 at 7:19 pm BlackCowboy

    Kemal,I’m the VERY RACIST black man(the “punk” and “sell-out”,i.e,
    a classically handsome black lad with a 154 IQ who isn’t a trained seal
    who follows every charlatan who styles himself a “black leader,”plus with
    b***s enough to openly say I’m TOTALLY UNINTERESTED in fat,fugly,
    b***hy black(white or Latina for that matter)broads,as well as one who doesn’t let one of these b***Hes mouth off ignorantly to me without my
    responding forcefully.)


  416. on July 21, 2009 at 6:31 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    A Stray Kemal

    Since the movie WALK THE LINE, I’ve noticed a number of black male youth getting into Johnny Cash. They appreciate that he recorded a record in Jail.

    Also, Willie Nelson is not unpopular with black folk – his promotion of Mary Jane and residency in Jamaica and remake of a Bob Marley album in country style all got points with them.


  417. [...] partners inom den egna gruppen, att de har delvis olika estetiska preferenser, och liknande. Hans kommentar till en medelålders kvinna som just insett att hon föredrar svarta män är också synnerligen [...]


  418. I think the reason this woman is provoking such angry reactions is because she is doing something that offends white men on the deepest level: She has questioned white male supremacy.

    I have come to the conclusion that white men are quite insecure on the issue of comparing their masculinity to black men. Going back to slavery, black men were lynched for flirting with white women. The level of insecurity it would take to do this is beyond my comprehension, and I think part of that mindset exists even to this day.

    While they might not collectively lynch a black man anymore for being with a white woman, what they will typically do is defile any white woman who has questioned white male supremacy by dating a black man. “She must be whore, she must be fat and ugly, she must be low class, she must not be able to do any better, etc etc…I mean why would she turn down white men who are clearly superior to every guy on earth??” So if she does reject their supremacy, they brand her with the scarlet letter and swear her off. That’s why many white men will privately admit that they would not a date a white woman who has dated a black man before. Now clearly there is no rational reason for this I can think of. I mean if you really like a woman, and then discover later that she dated a black man before you, there is no rational reason to reject her. Unless of course you believe in the orthodoxy of white male supremacy and are instantly angered at any white woman that would question it and make herself available for non-white men, and especially black men.

    Sure, the woman in that video is not attractive to me at all, but so what. The overwhelming majority of fat ugly white women are dating or married to fat ugly, balding, white men. Another thing to keep in mind that the black men these ugly white women are dating are usually no prize winners themselves either. I’m not going to lie, I’ve witnessed that dynamic of seeing a black guy who is decent looking brothas dating a white woman is well beneath him in looks, but I’ve also seen plenty of cases of average black guys with average white girls and good looking black guys with good looking white girls. Though I’d say it’s very rare to see an ugly black guy with a good looking white girl, only case I can think of is Seal and Heidi Klum, but then Seal is a celebrity and they live in their own reality. One might be inclined to say Klum married him for his money, but then being a supermodel, I highly doubt she’s cash-strapped herself.

    What I wonder is why do people spend so much time worrying about who other people date and sleep with? I think centuries from now when there are more mixed people, and the world is more advanced in its thinking, people are going to look back on these racial conflicts the same way we now look back at Protestants and Catholics fighting each other for hundreds of years and wonder what the hell the big deal was about anyway.


  419. Perfect 10, Obsidian, et al. @

    Yeah, I enjoy Nelson. Wouldn’t listen to him every day, but I like his honesty.

    My Dad listened to Cash decades before that movie, and a little bit of that rubbed off on me. The guy was funny, and he was sad, and he was angry. I admit that after I saw the movie my esteem for him shot up even further.

    Hey, Obsidian, you said something on a thread that struck me. What’s your email addy?

    I like stuff that crosses genres.

    Like Johnny Rotten and Afrika Bambaataa collaborating,

    or like you Obsidian noted, Anthrax and Public Enemy (which is how I started listening to Anthrax in the first place, I saw their bring the noize duet on MTV and was struck)

    Or like Danzig writing songs for Roy Orbison.
    Or like Cash doing a Nine Inch Nails song (better than Trent Reznor) and a Depeche Mode song.

    Take “Rockabilly” it is White people’s Blues basically.
    Both the blues and bluegrass were influenced by Irish and Scottish folk music as well as aspects of African music during slavery. Each evolved from a set of mutually influencing roots.

    Racists and ethnic supremacists on both sides of the fence struggle with their revisionist histories showing, tit for tat, which influence is predominate. The truth is neither. Both Blues and Bluegrass are indigenous to America as a result of influences from Europe and Africa. In bluegrass the Celtic influence predominates. In the Blues, the African.

    In Rock and Roll, we have a melding of bluegrass speed and Blues structure with many other elements. Rock and Roll is neither owned by Blacks or Whites exclusively, it is a bastard mongoloid mixed mulatto child of the new world.

    No matter how much the kids at Stormfront might want to kick my teeth in with combat boots.

    Similar examples can be found in South America.

    The dirty secret of American pop culture (and to a lesser degree English) is not so much that art is trumped by the commercial, this is obvious. But that the entire machine is sustained by the creation of artificial communities of sentiment by convincing us that our consumer choice helps define our identities and, further, that our racial and ethnic identities are mysteriously somehow wrapped up in our consumer choice.

    It takes something that does exist, albeit on a more inchoate and liminal threshold level, barely perceptible, amps it up artificially several degrees, and manipulates it.

    The fact that intelligent people still fall for it shows the primacy of sentiment and emotion over intellect in the human condition. Period, push the right emotional buttons and even genius can be manipulated like marionettes.

    Roissy, to make the topic relevant, is a master at this. For the record. It is not to a bad end, or good end, it is interesting to watch. Frankly with his rhetorical talent he should be writing fiction. Could be the next Tom Wolfe or Chuck Palahniuk for all we know…


  420. It should be stated that the economic and social circumstances of the times must be taken into account in that they created a pool of unmarried bachelors of native British stock. I will now charter the events point by point that led to this pool of bachelors. In 1948 the post-war Labour government extended British citizenship throughout the British Commonwealth and Empire. The Labour government was replaced by a Conservative government in 1951. Mass immigration of what at the time were referred to as “coloured men” began three years later in 1954 by taking advantage of the 1948 law. This happened during Winston Churchill’s last year in office, Churchill himself was too ill to attend cabinet meetings after having suffered a stroke, as a consequence cabinet meetings were by now hardly ever convened. Churchill, or Winnie as he was popularly called, resigned in 1955. Obviously another hand guided the ship of state, the steersman was revealed to be Anthony Eden who became prime minister in 1955 after Churchill retired from office. It was Eden and not Churchill who took advantage of the above mentioned legislation of 1948 by embarking upon a policy of the mass immigration into the UK of adult males from the Caribbean Isles and North India. Eden was no novice in shunting whole populations from place to place, for example after WW2 Eden oversaw a frenzy of mass murder, torture, slavery, and rape by sending refugees back to the Soviet Union.

    When the book (i.e. Victims of Yalta) was published in Britain in 1978 it caused a major scandal, since I severely criticised the Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden and his civil servants of responsibility for a major war crime in handing over people contrary to the Geneva and Red Cross Conventions in the certain knowledge that they would be killed, tortured, or enslaved. To the credit of the British people, the overwhelming majority of press and public expressed disgust at what had been done by the Government of the day. A subscription was raised by Members of both Houses of Parliament and all political parties, which was used to erect a memorial in the middle of London to the memory of the victims. So far as I am aware, it is the only memorial in London which has been erected in consequence of the publication of a book. I was pleased with the outcome, since though nothing can be done to alleviate the suffering of the victims, I believe it to be an important function of the historian to investigate such crimes, and place the evidence on record. This was a particularly abominable crime, since it was totally unnecessary, and there can be no doubt that one of the principal considerations in the minds of those responsible was the attitude of the certain type of British middle-class functionary that people from Eastern Europe are barbarians who almost enjoy suffering. PRAVDA.Ru interviews Nikolai Tolstoy

    Eden’s premiership was overshadowed by the Suez Crisis and Eden resigned after little more than 18 months in office. Incidentally, before proceeding further, it is worth noting that Macmillan, Eden’s side-kick, dipped his hands in Eden’s Russian bloodfest

    In 1977 his “Victims of Yalta” was published, followed by “Stalin’s Secret War” in 1981, and then his most controversial book, “The Minister and the Massacres” (1986). In his books Tolstoy argued that refugees not covered by the Yalta agreement — Emigre Russians and royalist Yugoslavs — were forcibly repatriated because Harold Macmillan, “minister resident” in the Mediterranean and later prime minister, wanted to advance his political career by appeasing Stalin. He persuaded a British general whose 5th Army Corps occupied southern and eastern Austria to ignore a Foreign Office telegram ordering that “any person who is not (repeat not) a Soviet citizen under British law must not (repeat not) be sent back to the Soviet Union unless he expressly desires.”

    When McMillan took over from Eden in 1957 the McMillan government stepped up Eden’s policy of the mass immigration of “coloured men”, the reason given being that immigrants had to be brought to the UK in order to do, “jobs that Englishmen cannot or will not do”, these jobs being specified at the time as working in the failing cotton mills of Lancashire because Englishmen’s fingers were not, “as thin and long as the fingers of Pakistani men”, and the jobs that Englishmen would not do were specified at the time as, “working for London transport”. It was hoped that by means of copulation, no mention of marriage was ever made, between English women and immigrant males that there would be, to quote again, “no more coloured people in England in three generations”. The reason why marriage was not mentioned is because many of the these immigrant men were already married. The bit about ‘three generations’ comes from Australia. Some of the Aboriginal women had given birth to children fathered by white colonists, and it was decided that if such half-castes mated with whites the resultant progeny would pass as being white, for example the comedian Michael Bentin when asked during a job interview after arriving from South America if he were a white man replied, “I could pass as one in this light.”

    In 1928, the federal government asked J. W. Bleakley, Queensland Protector of Aborigines, to report on policy, including “half-caste” policy, in the Northern Territory. His report proposed “blood quotas” as a guiding principle. Those who possessed 50 percent or more of Aboriginal “blood” would “drift back” to the black “no matter how carefully brought up and educated.” Those with less than 50 percent Aboriginal “blood” could “avoid the dangers of the blood call” if they were segregated as the prelude to “their absorption by the white race”. In 1937, 1951 and 1961 official conferences adopted policies aimed at the assimilation of Aboriginal people into the mainstream of society. Tatz points out that these policies were directed towards ensuring the disappearance of the Aboriginal people. Terms such as “breeding them white” indicated a biological solution. Assimilation policies were not entirely new. Under the Victorian Aborigines Protection Act 1886 “aid” was restricted to “full-bloods” and “half-castes” over the age of 34. All others, regardless of their marital or sibling status, were forcibly expelled from missions and reserves. Children were not exempt. They faced relocation to white foster parents, white adoptive parents and “half-caste” or “assimilation” homes. Tatz cites three senior officials to illustrate the thinking behind assimilation. One was O. A. Neville, the Chief Protector in Western Australia between 1915 and 1940. He could do nothing for Aborigines, “who were dying out”. However, he could “absorb the half-castes”. Neville had a three-point plan. First, the “full-bloods” would die out. Second, the “half-castes” would be taken from their mothers. Third, “half-caste” marriages would encourage intermarriage within the white community. The Chief Protector promoted the attractiveness of such arrangements. “The young half-blood maiden is a pleasant, placid, complacent person as a rule, while the quadroon [one quarter Aboriginal] is often strikingly attractive, with her oftimes auburn hair, rosy freckled colouring, and good figure”. Elevation of these people “to our own plane” he deemed wise. To this end, Neville established, in 1933, Sister Kate’s Orphanage. Its guiding principle was to take in hand those “whose lightness of colour” could lead to assimilation and intermarriage.The indignities suffered by those taken in hand would have been obvious and many, but a proverbial carrot was dangled before them. The Natives (Citizenship Rights) Act 1944 (WA) made it possible for an Aborigine to apply, before a magistrate, for a Certificate of Citizenship. The successful applicant would have to show how “white” he or she had become. Dissolution of tribal and native association was only the beginning. He or she had to have an honourable discharge from the armed forces, or be deemed a “fit and proper person”. “Fit and proper persons” had to have “adopted the manner and habits of civilised life” for two years and be able to speak and understand English. They had to be of industrious habits and be of a good reputation and correct behaviour. Those suffering from active leprosy, syphilis, granuloma and yaws (framboesia) were denied citizenship. This outlook formed the basis of Commonwealth policy from the 1930s. The Northern Territory Administrator’s report of 1933 said: “In the (Northern) Territory the mating of an Aboriginal with any person other than an Aboriginal is prohibited. The mating of coloured aliens with any female of part Aboriginal blood is also forbidden. Every endeavour is being made to breed out the colour by elevating female half-castes to the white standard with a view to their absorption by mating into the white population”…This aim continued throughout the period of the “stolen generations” when Aboriginal children were taken from their families. In a 1983 monograph, historian Peter Read cited annual reports of the New South Wales Board: “This policy of dissociating the children from [native] camp life must eventually solve the Aboriginal problem”. By placing children in “first-class private homes”, the superior standard of life would “pave the way for the absorption of these people into the general population”. Further, “to allow these children to remain on the reserve to grow up in comparative idleness in the midst of more or less vicious surroundings would be, to say the least, an injustice to the children themselves, and a positive menace to the State”.

    Eden and McMillan decided that the same policy would “avoid the dangers of the blood call” and “facilitate their absorption by the white race” by “breeding them white”, after all “The young the half-blood maiden is a pleasant, placid, complacent person as a rule, while the quadroon is often strikingly attractive”, so why not? After all O. A. Neville deemed it wise. At first all seemed to go well, young British girls and women of native stock flocked around the newly arriving immigrant males. There is a conspiray of silence about the pussy famine of the 1960′s in the UK. We Brits are terribly embarrassed about it, but airing this subject will also help the young generations of blacks and Asians to discover that the coldness with which they are sometimes received arises the lack of pussy in the 1960′s. This they need to know, their fathers and grandfathers were once vulnerable young men in a new country and far from home who were set upon by sexually active contraception pill gulping young English females. This created a great deal of sexual jealousy among the white youths of the time, and consternation among parents when at best their daughters brought a black or Asian boyfriend home, or at worst became prostitutes in order to feed the pussy starved. We now have very good anti-racist legistration in the modern UK of the 21st. century, this legislation even covers anti-white racist speech and acts committed by white people against other white people. There is of course freedom of speech, but there is no longer any freedom to discriminate, offer violence, commit acts of violence, or to encourage discrimination, etc., by speech or act. Anti-white racism is called albophobia. The term leukophobia, which actually means fear ot the colour white itself rather than persons, is sometimes wrongly used to describe anti-white racism. In the 1960′s many young men of British stock were victims of albophobia. Before continuing I have to explain that the majority of English women and girls are white anti-white racists, for example there were in the 1960′s various kinds of white female bus stop pests, for instance when passing a lone English female at a bus stop in those days if you were a white youth and if you caste an admiring glance she might crouch down in a sitting position as if she were defecating, I once looked up the bum of one of these crouching English young ladies as if the see the excrement that she was in the process of deficating, this freaked her out, such were the romantic encounters between young English men and young English ladies during the so called swinging 60′s of the last century, even now decades later you may still see a white English female suddenly passionately kissing her black partner only after a white English man or youth turns up at the bus stop in order to rub it in that she has chosen a black man instead of a white man, which incidentally also shows to black women what their own men think of them. In British society black women unlike white women are not glamourised despite the fact that some of them look absolutely gorgeous. You must take into account that a whole generation of English boys were abandoned both by Christianity and England as Church and State conspired together in order to draw a vail of silence over the attempt to eliminate men of colour within three generations. Homosexuality often occurs among males who are bereft of female companionship, for example in prisons or in the armed services, just as it also increased among white youths in the UK during the 1960′s who not only had to live without female companionship, but who in addition had to witness immigrant males enjoying the companionship that was rightly theirs. Is it any wonder that in those days many young men of native British stock sought companionship elsewhere, even I briefly considered it, but I knew that I could never look upon my mother’s face if I engaged in homosexual activity, I would hang my head in shame, like the majority of English women of her times she was a virgin when she married. Accoding to anthropologists three generation of any human society covers from 75 to 90 years, which means that if these immigrant men had not brought over their non-white wives and children, and fiancees that England would have been all white again round about the middle of the 21st. century, but which because of the timely arrival of non-white females all white England could stick its head up nits arse, which in turn left pink swastika homosexuals like Enoch Powell and his NF Hitler youth frothing at the mouth. In addition to homosexual permissiveness in the swinging 60′s heterosexual activity in the form of street prostitution was curtailed, while homosexual activity was encouraged after the decriminalising homosexual acts between consenting adult males. All that has happened is that prostituion has gone underground and organized crime has stepped in to replace what once was, so to speak, a heterosexual cottage industry between women short of money and men short of sex. You might retort that homodesxual acts between consenting males should have been decriminalised, but why should heterosexual acts between consenting adult males and females have been criminalised? Why permisiveness where homosexuality is concerned but not where heterosexuality is concerned? In other words street prostitution was now to be considered as a sexual perversion whereas buggering men and youths was not! Having been deprived of a wife and children my only means of engaging in heterosexual activity in the 1960′s, as with many other young English males in the UK at the time, lay in hiring the services of a prostitute, which now became very difficult after it becoming a criminal offence. I lost interest in English females during the so called swinging 60′s owing to their constant rejection of me solely because of the colour of my skin, but I discovered the older spinster and the divourcee. I could not find a young woman of child bearing age, yet I had to see an increasing number of black pround fathers pushing their half-caste offsprings around in trollies accompanied by their white English wives while I was deprived of a wife and a son, so like many young white English men of my age I gave up working for a living, dropped out of society, and lived off government handouts for the rest of my life. I rejected Christianity because I blamed the Christian churches for abandoning us instead of doing anything to help us find wives, even neo-Pagan groups did better than the Christian churches in that annual gatherings were held at Stonehenge and Glastonbury that attracted English chicks thereby allowing English youths to meet them on an equal footing. I admire Asian religions in general because of the way that they support family values and ensure that their young men are provided with brides, unlike my Christian country that abandons its own young Christian men and finds Christian brides for Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Rasraferians, etc., who are not even Christian, for example the previous Lord Hunt, the one who was a mountaineer, headed a parliamentary commission concerning the excess of unmarried Asian young men at the time, and instead of recommending easing the new restrictions upon immigration, thereby allowing their wives and fiancees to enter the UKwomen. Strangely the previous Lord Hunt proposed instead that centres should be set up where these unmarried Asian young men could get fixed up with English girls. This darn ‘pussy famine’, as far as young English men of the 1960′s were concerned, was preceded by a similar such famine during WW2, but with the difference that the war time ‘pussy famine’ has ever since received widespread publicity, whereas the 1960′s ‘pussy famine’ seems to be some kind of state secret in that it is never mentioned, not even in private conversation, it is in fact the elephant in the room, don’t mention the elephant! This previous ‘pussy famine’ happened during WW2 in the run up to the Normandy invasion of France when a large number of American soldiers were temporarily stationed in the UK.

    Conditions were harsh in Britain in the early 1940s and there was also an undercurrent of unease that was conveyed by the phrase, especially amongst British men, who resented the attraction of GIs, with their ready supply of nylons and cigarettes, amongst British women. The artist Beryl Cook, who was a young woman at the time confirmed this in an interview to the BBC in the late 1970s. I can’t find the transcript of the interview, but from memory it was words to the effect of, ‘food was scarce, but we supplemented our income by a little impromptu whoring with the GIs – we all did it’. Many of these liaisons were love matches rather than merely commercial transactions though, as the thousands of marriages between US servicemen and British women (the GI brides) is evidence of. The line was also used in Australia, in much the same context.The phrase was popularized by Tommy Trinder (1909-1989), a well-known and well-liked English comedian (seen here with Phil Silvers). His version of the line, which although he gave it wide circulation was probably coined by someone else, was “overpaid, overfed, oversexed and over here”.
    Strangely, since there can’t have been anyone over the age of ten in Britain at the end of the war who wasn’t familiar with the phrase, it appears very seldom in print. It must have been recorded earlier, but the earliest reference I have found is in a US newspaper The Morgantown Post, 1958, in an article by Holmes Alexander:
    “The British regarded us then as well-meaning but blundering intercessors whom they rather preferred to have on their island than the Jerries. We were, in the well-known phrase, ‘overpaid, oversexed and over here’, and we were in British eyes overdecorated, overstaffed, overmaintenanced and overbearing.” A Phrase A Week

    Although the wartime pussy famine was popularised, even a film was made about it, the pussy famine of the 1960′s is never mentioned. In a normal society the majority of its young men marry, settle down in a long term job, and support their wives and children, but the UK was at the time far from being a normal society, it was in fact abnormal, many of the young men of native stock dropped out of society after being freed of the necessity of supporting a wife and children some of these young British bachelors who were denied brides became, as it were, brotherhoods of Aryan warrior-priests, this was absolutely necessary for Buddhism to become truly established in the UK. This does not only apply to the Western Buddhist Order but also to the young British bachelors who joined the forest bhikshus of Thailand, as well as those who studied in the Tibetan monasteries of India and the Zen monasteries of Japan. The difficulties encountered by converts to Hinduism ensured that many unmarried young men would turn to Buddhism, which is now firmly established in the UK. Christianity became a turn off, 14.6 % of the population now have no religion at all. Unfortunately for the planned white future of England in 75 to 90 years time the majority of these immigrant males preferred their own women much to the chagrin of Enoch Powell and the National Front, thereby putting an end to the great pussy famine of the 1960′s. I have included some statistics to allay media claims that it was the previous Labour government that embarked upon a policy of mass migration in 1948, for example in the fall, or autumn of 2008, I recently heard a BBC radio announcer comment that, “After the war the Labour government brought the immigrants into England to do jobs that we would not do, such as collecting rubbish bins.” This of course is complete nonsense, there was never a shortage of English rubbish bin collectors, or even Welsh or Scottish ones for that matter. The BBC is part of the English Establishment that was created by Charles II who formed an alliance between the monarch, the King’s Party, and the Church of England by law established. The copy cat American Establishment in the English colonies could not get on with the English Establishment, so American Establishment figures such as George Washington switched to the Country Party. The two parties were later called the Whigs and Tories, the Whigs of the Country Party becoming the Liberal Party and the King’s Party becoming the Conservative Party. The Liberal Party was later supplanted by the Labour Party. All of this arose because the monarchy of England is an elective monarchy, and as such English peope (and also Welsh people after Henry VII ascended the throne) have to be loyal to both king (or queen) and country; hence the above two political parties that arose in the 17th. century. The Country Party in America became the Republicans and the Democrats, anyway to continue the BBC hands out to the public whatever crap it pleases members of the English Establishment to have handed out to the plebs, the present Establishment crap where immigration is concerned is that Labour is fully responsible, and that it began with SS Windrush in 1948, that Enoch Powell was not such a bad chap, and despite everything Profumo was a good bloke because he later worked hard in a public lavatory as a lavotary attendant in order to raise funds for charity. It is a bit sickening to read how Powell wrote that he was fascinated by India during his tour of duty while residing there. If Powell was fascinated by India then he should be glad that we have so many people from the Indian sub-continent now living in the UK. The Irish equivalent of the English Establishment was the now defunct Protestant Ascendancy, which by taking land off the Catholic peasants was ultimately responsible for the Irish potato famine. Below are the promised statistics.

    AFRICANS and WEST INDIANS
    The West Indian Comes to England states, “The movement of West Indians to the United Kingdom was unimportant until 1954 and it would appear that the number never exceeded 1,000 per year before 1951, with an average of 2,000 in 1952 and 1953. In 1954 the figure was 10,000 and in the three succeeding years rose to over 20,000 per year: 1955 – 24,473, 1956 – 26,441, 1957 – 22,473, 1958 – 16,511… The estimated West Indian population in the United Kingdom at 31st December, 1957 was 99,823.”38 The 1991 Census put the black population at 890,727.
    INDIANS AND CHINESE
    There was no organised migration of Indians into Britain before WW2. However, tiny numbers of sailors, students, and professionals had been entering Britain since India’s first contact with the Empire. Most returned after their mission was accomplished. As recently as 1939 the Indian population of the City of Birmingham was estimated at 100 — that is, one hundred. The total of both Indians and Pakistanis in Britain in 1955 was 10,700.40 The 1991 Census put the number of Indians and Pakistanis at 840,255 and 476,555 respectively, and 162,835 Bangladeshis.
    Most of the early Chinese arrived as seamen, after the treaties of Nanking in 1842 and Peking in 1860 opened up China to British trade. However, their population in Britain remained very small. In 1871 it was recorded as 207, and as 1,319 in 1911.41 The 1991 Census put the number of Chinese in Britain at 156,938.
    The source of the above comments is from Alistair McConnachie’s Special Report that was enclosed free with the November 2002 issue of Sovereignty

    In other words by 1991 890,727 West Indians were brought into the UK in order to work for London Transport and 840,255 Indians, 476,555 Pakistanis, and 162,835 Bangladeshis were brought into the UK in order to work in the failing cotton mills of Lancashire all because Englishmen would not work for London Transport and could not work in the said cotton mills. I have found out from ‘Icons of England’ that arrivals from the Caribbean Islands were crammed into subterranean chambers and were made to live like troglodytes, this is how;

    “On their arrival on that June day, 236 of the travellers were temporarily housed in the Clapham South deep shelter in south-west London.”. This was one of a network of constructions beneath the underground stations, designed as refuges during the wartime bombing.”

    It will be seen that immigration greatly increased during 1954. The legitimacy of the presence of “coloured people ” in the UK was established by the election of Macmillan in the October 1959 general election, Macmillan’s policies, including the continuation of Eden’s policy upon immigration, were so popular that McMillan led the Conservatives to victory, increasing his party’s majority from 67 to 107 seats. If you dislike the presence of “coloured people” in the UK then hard luck, the result of the October 1959 general election legitimised their right to be here by democratic process, even the BNP recognise this legitimacy whereas the NF do not. Although during the 1960′s many young eligible men of native stock were faced with the reality of being permanently bereft of female companionship, in addition to the above mentioned stringent laws against heterosexual prostitution, marriage between eligible males of native stock and foreign brides were made difficult by the same laws designed to stop “coloured men” bringing their “coloured wives and fiancees” into the UK, and to round it off hostile media reportage complained against men of native stock getting married to and bringing back “coloured wives” to the UK.

    Thai “mail-order bride” has become a subject of ridicule in the UK, parodied in TV comedies like Little Britain and mocked in the tabloid press…The number of Thai-British marriages keeps growing, many of them arranged through internet websites…Most of the couples, though, will end up living in Britain, where, warns Bangkok-based writer Christopher Moore, author of a book about emotional expression in Thailand, the culture and language gap could put severe strains on the relationship. BBC News Channel

    The problem of, “the culture and language gap could put severe strains on the relationship”, does not of course apply to English females getting married to foreign men, only to English men getting married to foreign women, in addition strangely enough marriage between English women and foreign men has never been, “a subject of ridicule in the UK, parodied in TV comedies like Little Britain and mocked in the tabloid press” on the contrary the BBC radio was full of phrases such as “fatherhood is taken very seriously in West Indian culture”, and “West Indian men make better fathers than English men” and so on. There is no point in asking the BBC about the above transcript in question concerning fatherhood because all such transcripts have been lost, but could you imagine anyone daring to say on the radio that West Indian women make better mothers than English women? After Thatcher came to power in 1979 she made her infamous speech in which she claimed that she “understood the fears of the British people of being swamped by coloured immigrants.” and in order to vie with the National Front she eased the immigration rules for third generation (white) British women by automatically extending British citizenship to their foreign husbands upon marriage, this law excluded the majority of immigrant women and did not apply to third generation British men. Many sad stories could be told of couples having to live apart just because the British spouse was male and not female, in addition by this time there was a growing number of teenage Asian girls of marriageable age who passed the three generation rule. Any Indian, Pakistani, or Bangladeshi man getting married to one of these girls attained immediate citizenship, this led to an increase of forced marriages.

    “My Dad threatened me by saying ‘If you run away, we’re going to kill you’, says Sarah*. I was only 15, and they were trying to force me into marriage with a man from Pakistan. I’d already seen my Dad put an axe to my sister’s throat when she’d refused to accept the forced marriage.”
    “A lot of girls have been taken out of education and kept prisoners in their own home,” says the FMU. “They’re taken overseas and married off. They might be raped continuously until they are pregnant or forced to have a termination. They may be told they’ll be cut off from the family, or that their parents will have a heart attack and die if they don’t agree to the marriage.” TheSite.org Written by Marcella Carnevale

    The practice of forced marriages amongst Britain’s ethnic communities form Pakistan, Bangladesh and India is being used as an immigration scam – and dozens of the young people involved are actually mentally disabled, a report has revealed.
    More than one in five of the forced marriages reported to the Government involve disabled people, but experts fear that the true scale of the problem could be far worse.
    Last week, senior police officers, lawyers, social workers and campaign groups held urgent talks in London as the scale of the problem emerged.
    The Foreign Office’s Forced Marriage Unit dealt with 400 cases last year – and more than 80 of these involved people with learning disabilities.
    The majority of cases reported involve families from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. Rape, domestic violence and abandonment are common consequences of such marriages, according to support groups.
    Many care workers are however reluctant to oppose the forced marriages for fear of being branded “culturally insensitive.”
    According to Mandy Sanghera, a social worker with Voice UK, a charity which helps people with learning disabilities, she has “worked with more than 100 people with learning disabilities forced into marriage, from south Asian, African and Middle Eastern communities.”
    According to Saghir Alam, of the Orwellian-named Equality 2025, the Government’s disability advisory body, social services must become more culturally sensitive so parents do not feel that marriage is the only long-term care option. Asian families are consistently less likely to seek or receive outside help.
    New laws and a specialist taskforce to promote human rights and protect victims are at the heart of a Government drive to prevent forced marriages, the Home Office announced today. The new measures build on existing work with public agencies, the voluntary sector and community leaders to raise awareness of forced marriage and to encourage victims to seek support and advice. They also strengthen immigration controls in order to break the cycles of violence that follow forced marriage.
    The package includes:
    a new joint Home Office-Foreign Office Forced Marriage Unit; a consultation to be launched later this year on whether to create a specific criminal offence of forcing someone into marriage; forced marriage to be targeted as a specific abuse in the revision of key inter-agency guidance on safeguarding and promoting the welfare of children which will have statutory backing; the minimum age for marriage entry clearance will be raised from 16 to 18 an additional forced marriage entry clearance post to be created in Islamabad to help reluctant spouses and increase our ability to support victims. Home Secretary David Blunkett said: “Forced marriage is simply an abuse of human rights. It is a form of domestic violence that dehumanises people by denying them their right to choose how to live their lives. The appalling practice of forced marriage represents the opposite extreme and that is why Government is taking tough action to eradicate it. Hindu Forum of Britain

    This particular Tory scam was finally stopped by the Forced Marriage (Civil Protection) Act of 2007. Note the old familiar “three generations” thing taken from the forced abductions of children in Australia in order to “breed them white” in order to produce “quadroons”.Thatcher’s Law concerning “white women and coloured men only” where marriage and British citizenship is concerned become a scam not only where forced marriages were concerned, but also in bestowing instant British citizenship upon thousands of illegal immigrants by marrying them off to whores. Prostitutes were hired to marry dozens of foreign men thereby bestowing British citizenship upon them, none of these prostitutes were ever prosecuted for bigamy. I have been unable to gather information upon this scam, except for the following short excerpt. Before the above mentioned law was revoked the gangsters behind this scam would not have been prosecuted.

    Date: 2007-04-23
    Four men and a woman were arrested on suspicion of marrying off vulnerable Glasgow women, including drug addicts and prostitutes, to Africans wishing to stay in Britain. The members of the gang were seized in a series of dawn raids early yesterday in Paisley, Cambuslang, London and Reading, Berkshire. The 6am swoop came after a seven-month investigation into “dozens” of bogus marriages between Scottish women and men from Ghana and Gambia. It is understood the inquiry was started by a tip-off at the general register office. The “brides” are all from the Greater Glasgow area. The gang is thought to have charged thousands of pounds a time to arrange a marriage. The African men would marry in Scotland but would immediately return to London. They would file for divorce after two years when they were granted indefinite leave to remain in the UK.

    Returning now to the 1957 Wolfenden Report, the point is not that homosexuality was legalised, the point is that the legalisation of homosexuality was accompanied by a restriction upon heterosexuality, now why should homosexuality be legalised while heterosexuality is restricted? Why were plans being made to deny British young men of the only kind of heterosexual intercourse left open for them? I eventually stumbled upon the answer after an angry encounter with a homosexual security guard at the London Hilton, but more upon this later.

    155-page “Report on Homosexual Offences and Prostitution” – known as the Wolfenden report the Committee on Homosexual Offences and Prostitution in Great Britain came to the conclusion that outlawing homosexuality impinged upon civil liberties…’Not the law’s business’…it said, society and the law should respect “individual freedom of actions in matters of private morality.” The committee also made recommendations to “clean up the streets” of London and other major cities of (female) prostitutes (but not male prostitutes) by introducing much higher penalties for soliciting. Wickipedia, comments in brackets are mine.

    “FREE THE BUGGERS”–Britain & the Wolfenden Report
    The following article was written for Gay City News — New York City’s largest lesbian and gay weekly — in whose new edition it appeared today: Britons this week are observing the 50th anniversary of the earth-shaking Wolfenden Report, the recommendation by a government committee that set the UK on the road to decriminalization of homosexuality. All the major respectable dailies have published a series of retrospective pieces, and the BBC is marking the 1957 Wolfenden Report’s birthday by programming an entire week-long cycle of broadcasts under the rubric “Hidden Lives,” portraying what it was like to be gay in Britain in the 1950s. (UPDATE: My friend Andy, the editor of U.K. Gay News, wrote me today that “there have been hundreds of complaints received by the BBC over this gay programming. Most have come from USA and Canada ‘Christian taliban’ websites which have been urging their ‘failthul’ to complain about the programmes, helpfully providing the link to the BBC’s compalints website.”) Among the BBC’s offerings this week are a new, full-length docudrama portraying the 14 members of the Wolfenden Committee struggling with their consciences toward what the producer of the film calls its “radical conclusions,” and the moving film “Breaking the Code,” starring Derek Jacobi as Alan Turing (right), the mathematical genius who played a major role in World War II by breaking Nazi Germany’s Enigma code, but was later persecuted for being homosexual, arrested, and forced to undergo male hormone treatments. Turing eventually committed suicide by eating an apple laced with cyanide. What did the Wolfenden Report say that was considered so radical at the time? It recommended that “homosexual behaviour between consenting adults in private should no longer be a criminal offence.” It found that “homosexuality cannot legitimately be regarded as a disease, because in many cases it is the only symptom and is compatible with full mental health in other respects, adding: “The law’s function is to preserve public order and decency, to protect the citizen from what is offensive or injurious, and to provide sufficient safeguards against exploitation and corruption of others. Not, in our view, the function of the law to intervene in the private life of citizens, or to seek to enforce any particular pattern of behaviour.” September 06, 2007 Direland: Douglas Ireland

    In other words “clean up” in the above context means that prostitutes are dirty, heterosexual activity with a prostitute is dirty, whereas buggery is not. As will be obvious further below when the stories of Keeler and Rice-Davies are recounted top politicians used prostitutes while denying them to others, which is hypocritical. Meanwhile Rachman, a patriotic Jew who as such was eventually sent to a concentration camp for his efforts to resist the Nazi occupation of Poland instead of to the usual Nazi death camp, had figured out a way to outsmart the new laws against female prostitution. Rachman, whose tenants by the way remembered him as a kind landlord, began buying houses, dividing them into flats, and installing one prostitute in each house thereby taking advantage of a loophole in the law against this particular kind of heterosexual activity, meanwhile new laws have tightened up street prostitution but other new laws allow consenting women and girls sixteen years old to be buggered provided that prostitution is not involved. Male prostitutes and other such catamites who hire themselves out, like the rent boys of Piccadilly Circus on the ‘meat racks’ for example, are not prosecuted, but their names were and perhaps still are registered in a police file labelled K.A.M.P. meaning ‘known as male prostitute’. Later a “coloured man” whose white father was Portuguese called Michael de Freitas, who called himself Michael X, collected the rent for Rachman and later took over Rachman’s business after Rachman suffered a heart attack. Señor de Freitas, taking advantage of a new law removing all tenant’s rights, evicted the English tenants, but not the whores, and installed “coloured families” in the remainder of the properties, one family to a room, the “coloured men” having by this time brought over their wives and families instead of dumping them and marrying white women, much to the chagrin of Enoch Powell and the National Front, but not to their wives and children back in the West Indies who were glad to be reunited with their hubbies and daddies. It was at this time that Enoch Powell went insane and gibbered and jabbered on and on incoherently about “rivers of blood” and “grinning piccaninis in the street”. The British press use to report Powell’s ravings for all to read. You might by this time be wondering why these “coloured people” came to the UK in the first place, they have in fact told us, it was because they were encouraged by campaigns for them to “Come to the Motherland” for example read this bit that I got from a blog. The part about, “to help us rebuild our nation” is Establishment clap-trap that Designer has inadvertantly picked up without realising that the given motive was to find workers for London Transport and the failing cotton mills of Lancashire’

    “residents of the Dominions were encouraged to come to the Motherland and fill the vacancies to help us rebuild our nation.” Designer, Home of Sport.

    Continuing with the saga of Señor de Freitas of Notting Hill fame, who being a “coloured man” and therefore a black brother, use to turn up with ferocious dogs not only when evicting white English tenants, but also when collecting the rent from his black brothers and sisters, the dogs being let loose on those late with the rent. Señor de Freitas subsequently suffered many indignities at the hands of the British and Trinidadian authorities who, for some reason or other, did not approve of questionable activities such as extortion and murder, but celebratives flocked to give their moral support to the famous black man, whose Portuguese father was actually white, and who had once been lionized by the British press. There are black people in Notting Hill who to this day still have fond memories of being chewed up by his dogs, which just shows how far the “elevation of these people to our own plane” has gone for do not English people love dogs?

    Michael de Freitas immigrated to the United Kingdom in 1957, where he settled in London’s Notting Hill district (the Notting Hill Gate area). He became a pimp, drug pusher, and gambling-house operator; he also worked as a strong-arm man for Peter Rachman, the property racketeer. Michael X became a Black Power leader in Britain. Writing in The Observer in 1965, Colin McGlashan called him “the authentic voice of black bitterness.”[1] In 1967, he became the first non-white person to be charged and imprisoned under England’s Race Relations Act, which was designed to protect Britain’s Black and Asian populations from discrimination.[2] He was sentenced to 18 months in jail for publicly urging the shooting of any black woman seen with a white man. In 1969, under the name Abdul Malik, he founded the Racial Adjustment Action Society, and became the self-appointed leader of a Black Power commune on Holloway Road, North London called the “Black House.” The commune was financed by a young millionaire dropout benefactor named Nigel Samuel. Michael X said, “They’ve made me the archbishop of violence in this country. But that ‘get a gun’ rhetoric is over. We’re talking of really building things in the community needed by people in the community. We’re keeping a sane approach.”[3] John Lennon and Yoko Ono donated a bag of their hair to be auctioned for the benefit of the Black House. In what the media called “the slave collar affair, ” Jewish businessman Marvin Brown was enticed to The Black House, viciously attacked, and made to wear a spiked ‘slave’ collar around his neck as Michael X and others threatened him with extortion. [4] The Black House, underfinanced and undertaken with volunteer labour, closed in the autumn of 1970. The two men found guilty of assaulting Marvin Brown were imprisoned for eighteen months.[5] The Black House burned down in mysterious circumstances, and soon Michael X and four colleagues were arrested for extortion. His bail was paid by John Lennon in January 1971.[6] In February 1971, he fled to his native Trinidad, where he started an agricultural commune devoted to Black empowerment 16 miles east of the capital, Port of Spain. “The only politics I ever understand is the politics of revolution,” he told the Trinidad Express. “The politics of change, the politics of a completely new system.”[1] He began another commune, also called the Black House, which also burned down in February 1972. Michael X was tried in 1972 for the murder of Joseph Skerritt, a member of his “Black Liberation Army” who refused to obey orders to attack a local police station. Skerrit’s body was discovered with that of Gale Benson by police who had come to the commune to investigate the fire. The bodies had been buried in a shallow grave. Benson, also called Hale Kimga, was the daughter of Conservative MP Leonard F. Plugge. A witness at his trial claimed that Michael X struck Benson with a machete on her neck.[7] Michael X fled to Guyana a few days after the fire at his commune and was captured there. He was charged with Benson’s murder but never tried for the crime.[8] The Save Malik Committee — whose members included Angela Davis, Dick Gregory, and Kate Millet and others, including the well-known radical lawyer William Kunstler who was paid by John Lennon,[6] — pled for clemency, but he was hanged in 1975.[8] Wickipedia

    Enter the Feurer

    And who inspired the rallies against the presence of “coloured women” entering the U.K. in order to join their husbands and fiancees, more to the point, who and why? It was Enoch Powell, the hero of the National Front. I have come accross National Front male persons at work and I have always found them to be deficite in intelligence, which is of course obvious by their opposition to female immigrants, for to quote a line from Rowan Atkinson’s comedy series Black Adder, “it only makes more totty for us real men”. No doubt National Front male persons spend too much time ogling old Nazi homo-erotic photographs and Tom of Finland prints. I have being trying to find a copy of Powell’s celebrated homosexual love poem on the internet in which Powell expresses his love for his male lover, but alas without success, and I do not want to waste any money buying Powell’s. Complete Poems, so I have included some of Powell’s gibberish from his idiotic Rivers of Blood speech.

    “We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancées whom they have never seen.”

    When I once worked in the London Hilton a member of the National Front who was a security guard sought me out and told me that he does not mind black men having love affairs or marrying white women, but he does not like to see white men (such as me) with non-white women. It seemed to me at the time to be a rather ‘queer’ thing to say. Afterwards I used to have a good look round in the staff toilets to make sure that he was not present before entering for a pee. Concerning the far right, it did strike me as being odd that while many of the Nazis were homosexuals they persecuted homosexuals. This was a mystery that has since been unravelled. Turning now to the British far right, I began to suspect that our Conservative politicians and other right wing politicians such as the National Front intentionally promoted homosexuality by creating a disparity between the sexes. This is rather difficult to understand unless you know about the conflicy between the ‘pink triangle’ and the ‘pink swastika’. Briefly speaking, the Nazis threw many homosexuals into their concentration camps and made them wear pink triangles, but many Nazis were also homosexuals, hence the dichotamy between the homosexuals who wore the pink triangle and those who wore a swastika. The National Front has adopted Powellism as its political platform, to be fair to Powell his policy of restricting non-white women into the UK is only a continuation of Eden’s policy of mass male immigration followed by massive miscognation between white British females and these non-white immigrants in imitation of the Australian “three generations” policy. National Front demonstrations against non-white female immigration reached their high point in the National Front marches in Southall and Lewisham. On that day the ghost of the Feurer marched side by side with the National Front.

    THE NAZI National Front announced that it was to hold a general election meeting on Monday 23 April 1979 in Ealing town hall. People in the area were sickened. “The news spread like wildfire,” remembers Balwinder Rana, a local ANL activist from the area. “People felt very angry and very insulted.” The NF was expecting to make an electoral breakthrough in the 1979 election on the back of disillusionment with the Labour government. It held a series of provocative meetings around the country. Three years earlier an NF inspired gang had stabbed Gurdip Singh Chaggar in Southall, so the NF decided a meeting in the town on St George’s Day would be a “suitable” provocation. The local Tory council gave the Nazis Ealing town hall to meet in. It even flew the Union Jack, which the NF used as an emblem, as a welcome. Local people did all they could to get the march banned. On Sunday 22 April 5,000 people marched to the town hall and handed in a 10,000 signature petition. Balwinder recalls, “The march was attacked by the police who picked fights all along the way.” A plea to the Labour government’s home secretary, Merlyn Rees, to ban the march fell on deaf ears. THE NEXT morning Southall woke up to find itself under police occupation. Three thousand police, with dogs, horses, riot vans, a helicopter and units of the notorious Special Patrol Group poured in. Police taunted people. A priest, Father Lloyd, told how they were saying, “Move along. A bit of exercise does you good. Stops you being constipated after all those curries you eat.” Lloyd saw a policeman in a coach with the ace of spades held up against the window and “NF” written on the steamed up glass. As far as the police were concerned the NF was to be protected, while the people of Southall were the enemy. The then police commissioner, Sir David “Hammer” McNee, later told a black journalist, “If you keep off the streets in London and behave yourself, you won’t have the SPG to worry about.” BLAIR PEACH’S death sent shock waves through the British working class. At lunchtime Southall’s shops closed in protest at the Nazi meeting. Factories shut down and Asian workers at nearby Heathrow airport walked out. Anti-Nazis, Blair Peach amongst them, arrived in Southall in solidarity. “There was a threatening police presence throughout the day,” remembers Paul Holborow, secretary of the Anti Nazi League at the time. Their only purpose was to intimidate people.” At around 3.30pm some of the demonstrators tried to get on a bus going through the police cordon. The police rushed on board and began to throw everyone off. Those arrested included Mr Rihal, on his way home to look after his wife who had just got out of hospital. The police later lied and said they had seen him damage the bus. He got three months in jail. As Balwinder recalls, “At 6.30 people started to go towards the town hall. Suddenly the cordon parted and police on horseback came through and starting hitting people with long batons. They attacked men, women and children.” The police sped transit vans through the packed and hemmed in crowd. An Ealing Gazette reporter said, “I had seen no trouble at all. Why were the SPG running around with their batons drawn? I was astonished by their brutality.” NF leader Martin Webster, protected by the police, was ushering a pathetic rabble of Nazi saluting thugs into the town hall. Inside the local NF candidate was pledging to “bulldoze Southall to the ground and replace it with an English hamlet”. OUTSIDE people were hit by a full blown police riot. Demonstrators were chased down the road towards Southall Park where they were cornered and clubbed. Other people, many elderly, sought refuge in the local churchyard. The Telegraph recorded the scene: “Within three minutes, mounted police had cornered about 50 demonstrators against the walls and, moving through the churchyard, rounded up stragglers. As we watched, several dozen crying, screaming, coloured demonstrators were dragged bodily to the police station. Nearly every demonstrator we saw had blood flowing from some sort of injury.” The police surrounded 6 Park View Road. This was a house used by a young people’s collective called Peoples Unite. It was a designated first aid and legal advice station. The police kicked the doors in and chased everyone out of the house. Police lined up on the stairs, truncheons drawn, and forced people to run a gauntlet of blows. Local activist Clarence Baker had been told earlier by the police, “You black bastard, we are going to get you.” When they saw him in the house one policeman said, ‘Get him.’ About six were hitting me with their truncheons. I felt one blow. I did not really feel anything after that The day the police murdered Blair Peach by HASSAN MAHAMDALLIE

    The march through Southall in April 1979 was in fact protest against the large number of dusky maidens resident in Southall, so what is one to think by gad? Is the National From just a bunch of gay Gordens? Could old Enoch have been a poof-da? Although married, which is to say that Powell, while going public upon being a fascist, was secretly like one of those buggers mentioned in the Boccacio who get married in order to hide their true sexual orientation. Now wasn’t that a surprise, or was it? Read below? I have included a paparazzi snap of old Enoch marching at the head of the NF through Southall upon that memoriable day, note that our Enoch has his right arm ready to biff the turban off any Sikh rag head who should dare to hinder old Enoch’s march for a whiter Britain

    The Sturmabtailung

    In 1921 Adolf Hitler formed his own private army called Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as stormtroopers or brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents and to protect Hitler from revenge attacks. Captain Ernst Roehm of the Bavarian Army played an important role in recruiting these men, and became the SA’s first leader. Hitler’s stormtroopers were often former members of the Freikorps (right-wing private armies who flourished during the period that followed the First World War) and had considerable experience in using violence against their rivals.The SA wore grey jackets, brown shirts (khaki shirts originally intended for soldiers in Africa but purchased in bulk from the German Army by the Nazi Party), swastika armbands, ski-caps, knee-breeches, thick woolen socks and combat boots. Accompanied by bands of musicians and carrying swastika flags, they would parade through the streets of Munich. At the end of the march Hitler would make one of his passionate speeches that encouraged his supporters to carry out acts of violence against Jews and his left-wing political opponents.When Ernst Roehm left Germany to work in Bolivia in 1925, Heinrich Himmler took over the leadership of the SA. However, in 1931 Hitler recalled Roehm to Germany and asked him to head the SA. In just over a year Roehm expanded it from 70,000 to 170,000 members. By 1934 the SA had grown to 4,500,000 men
    Ernst Roehm was born in Munich on 28th November, 1887. He joined the German Army in 1906 and during the First World War was wounded three times and reached the rank of major…After the war Roehm joined the Freikorps and served under Franz Epp in Munich in 1919. He remained active in right-wing politics and in 1921 he recruited Adolf Hitler to spy on the German Worker’s Party (GWP). Soon afterward Roehm also joined the GWP. The arrival of Roehm was an important development as he had access to the army political fund and was able to transfer some of the money into the party. Roehm took part in the Beer Hall Putsch and after its failure was one of those imprisoned and put on trial. Although found guilty of treasonable acts, he was released and dismissed from the German Army. He now moved to Bolivia where he worked as a military instructor.In January, 1931, Adolf Hitler recalled Roehm to Germany and placed him in charge of the Sturm Abteilung (SA). Spartcus

    The history of the Sturmabteilung (SA), often referred to as the “brown shirts”, began when the Rollkommando was formed 1920 to protect the meetings held by the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (DAP) (that would later become the NSDAP)…The Rollkommando was reformed into the Zeitfreiwilligen Feb 1920. The men of this unit wore the field grey uniforms of the Reichswehr, armed with weapons provided by Hauptmann Ernst Röhm (who would continue to play an important role in the development) and many of them seems to have served in a Reichswehr mortar company. Following the failure of the Kapp putsch Mar 1920 the use of field grey were discontinued and the unit was redesignated Ordnertruppe. The Ordnertruppe was soon banned but it was reformed in the summer as the Turn- und Sportabteilung. Emil Maurice took command of this unit Nov 1920, but was replaced by Leutnant Hans Ulrich Klintzsch (of Brigade Ehrhardt) in the summer of 1921. The Brigade Ehrhard also supported the development by helping them with training and also financing parts of their activities…The SA was formally formed 4 Nov 1921 following a party meeting when a large number of opponents attempted to disrupt it but was beaten and thrown out by the men of the Turn- und Sportabteilung…At the end of 1921 there was a conflict between Röhm and Hitler, Röhm wanted to train the SA as a an army but Hitler wanted to use it solely for propaganda and intimidating opponents. Röhm even began training parts of the SA according to his ideas (taking no notice of the SA leader Klitzsch) but Hitler quickly put a stop to this training when he found out…The SA was not disbanded following the purge, but did not have any real responsibilities until the war broke out. It was then made responsible for the military training before and after their military service and the SA-Wehrmannschaften was formed. They also provided personnel for the Heimatflak, Stadwacht, Landwacht and other non-military security forces. Axis History Factbook

    The Pink Swastika: Homosexuals and the Nazi Party (Keizer, Oregon: Founders Publishing Company, 1995).

    The pink triangle, symbol of the “gay rights” movement, is familiar to many Americans. As the badge used by the Nazis to designate homosexuals in the concentration camps, the pink triangle perfectly expresses the message of “gay rights.” That message is that homosexuals are currently and historically victims of irrational prejudice and that those who oppose homosexuality are hateful bigots. This all-important victim status engenders sympathy for the homosexual “cause” among well-meaning heterosexuals. Thus, millions of otherwise rational Americans support a movement whose sole unifying characteristic is a sexual lifestyle they personally find repugnant…While some homosexuals were interned in Nazi work camps, the role of homosexuals in Nazi history cannot be accurately represented solely by a pink triangle. Our review of more than 200 history texts written since the 1930s suggests that a pink swastika is equally representative, if not more so. For, ironically, while many homosexuals were persecuted by the Nazi party, there is no doubt that the Nazi party itself had many homosexuals within its own ranks, even among its highest leadership…The “grandfather of gay rights” was a homosexual German lawyer named Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. Ulrichs had been molested at age 14 by his male riding instructor. Instead of attributing his adult homosexuality to the molestation, however, Ulrich devised in the 1860s what became known as the “third sex” theory of homosexuality. Ulrichs’ model holds that male homosexuals are actually female souls trapped within male bodies. The reverse phenomenon supposedly explains lesbianism. Since homosexuality was an innate condition, reasoned Ulrichs, homosexual behavior should be decriminalized. An early follower of Ulrichs coined the term “homosexual” in an open letter to the Prussian Minister of Justice in 1869…By the time Ulrichs died in 1895, the “gay rights” movement in Germany had gained considerable strength…After Ulrichs’ death, the movement split into two separate and opposed factions. One faction followed Ulrichs’ successor, Magnus Hirschfeld, who formed the Scientific Humanitarian Committee in 1897 and later opened the Institute for Sex Research in Berlin. The other faction was organized by Adolf Brand, publisher of the first homosexual magazine, Der Eigene (The Special). Brand, Benedict Friedlander and Wilhelm Janzen formed the Gemeinschaft der Eigenen (The Community of the Special) in 1902. What divided these groups was their concepts of masculinity. Ulrichs’ theory embraced a feminine identity. His, and later Hirschfeld’s, followers literally believed they were women trapped in men’s bodies.The followers of Brand, however, were deeply insulted by Ulrichs’ theory. They perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals. The Community of the Special (CS) asserted that male homosexuality was the foundation of all nation-states and that male homosexuals represented an elite strata of human society. The CS fashioned itself as a modern incarnation of the warrior cults of ancient Greece. Modeling themselves after the military heroes of Sparta, Thebes and Crete, the members of the CS were ultra-masculine, male-supremacist and pederastic (devoted to man/boy sex). Brand said in Der Eigene that he wanted men who “thirst for a revival of Greek times and Hellenic standards of beauty after centuries of Christian barbarism.”…One of the keys to understanding both the rise of Nazism and the later persecution of some homosexuals by the Nazis is found in this early history of the German “gay rights” movement. For it was the CS which created and shaped what would become the Nazi persona, and it was the loathing which these “Butches” held for effeminate homosexuals (“Femmes”) which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave labor camps in the Third Reich…The “Butch” homosexuals of the CS transformed Germany. Their primary vehicle was the German youth movement, known as the Wandervogel (Rovers or Wandering Youth). “In Central Europe,” writes homosexual historian Parker Rossman, “there was another effort to revive the Greek ideal of pedagogic pederasty in the movement of ‘Wandering Youth’…Rising spontaneously in the 1890s as an informal hiking and camping society, the Wandervogel became an official organization at the turn of the century…the Wandervogel was dominated and controlled by the pederasts of the CS. CS co-founder Wilhelm Janzen was its chief benefactor, and its leadership was rife with homosexuality. In 1912, CS theorist Hans Blueher wrote The German Wandervogel Movement as an Erotic Phenomenon which told how the organization was used to recruit young boys into homosexuality.Wandervogel youths were indoctrinated with Greek paganism and taught to reject the Christian values of their parents (mostly Catholics and Lutherans). The CS belief in a homosexual elite took shape within the Wandervogel in the concept of “der Fuehrer” (The Leader). E.Y. Hartshorne, in German Youth and the Nazi Dream of Victory, records the recollections of a former Wandervogel member in this regard: “We little suspected then what power we had in our hands. We played with the fire that had set a world in flames, and it made our hearts hot…It was in our ranks that the word Fuehrer originated, with its meaning of blind obedience and devotion…And I shall never forget how in those early days we pronounced the word Gemeinschaft ["community"] with a trembling throaty note of excitement, as though it hid a deep secret” (Hartshorne:12). Louis Snyder notes in the Encyclopedia of the Third Reich that, “The Fuehrer Principle became identical with the elite principle. The Fuehrer elite were regarded as independent of the will of the masses” (Snyder:104)… During World War I, the greatest hero of the German youth movement was Gerhard Rossbach. Described by historian


  421. Gerhard Rossbach. Described by historian Robert G. L. Waite as a “sadist, murderer and homosexual,” Rossbach was “the most important single contributor of the pre-Hitler youth movement” (Waite,1969:210). More importantly, Rossbach was the bridge between the Wandervogel and the Nazi Party. In the turbulent days following Germany’s defeat in World War I, Gerhard Rossbach was one of many former army officers placed in command of Freikorps (Free Corps) units. These unofficial auxilary military units were designed to circumvent limitations imposed on German troop strength by the Allies. Rossbach organized a Freikorps called Rossbach’s Sturmabteilung (Rossbach’s Storm Troopers)…While Adolf Hitler is today recognized as the central figure of Nazism, he was a less important player when the Nazi machine was first assembled. Its first leader was Ernst Roehm. Homosexual historian Frank Rector writes that “Hitler was, to a substantial extent, Roehm’s proteg?” (Rector:80). Roehm had been a captain in the German army. Hitler had been a mere corporal. After World War I, Roehm was highly placed in the underground nationalist movement that plotted to overthrow the Weimar government and worked to subvert it through assassinations and terrorism. In The Order of the Death’s Head, author Heinz Hohne writes that Roehm met Hitler at a meeting of a socialist terrorist group called the Iron Fist and “saw in Hitler the demagogue he required to mobilize mass support for his secret army” (Hohne:20). Roehm, who had joined the German Worker’s Party before Hitler, worked with him to take over the fledgling organization. With Roehm’s backing, Hitler became the first president of the party in 1921 (ibid.:21) and changed its name to the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. Soon after, Rossbach’s Storm Troopers, the SA, became its military arm…Rector writes: Was not the most outstanding, most notorious, of all homosexuals the celebrated Nazi leader Ernst Ro[e]hm, the virile and manly chief of the SA, the du buddy of Adolf Hitler from the beginning of his political career? Hitler’s rise had in fact depended upon Ro[e]hm and everyone knew it. Ro[e]hm’s gay fun and games were certainly no secret; his amorous forays to gay bars and gay Turkish baths were riotous. Whatever anti-homosexual sentiments may have been expressed by straight Nazis were more than offset by the reality of highly visible, spectacular, gay-loving Ro[e]hm. If there were occasional ominous rumblings and grumblings about “all those queers” in the SA and Movement, and some anti-gay flare-ups, homosexual Nazis felt more-or-less secure in the lap of the Party. After all, the National Socialist Party member who wielded the greatest power aside from Hitler was Ro[e]hm (Rector:50f)…Louis Snyder writes that Roehm “projected a social order in which homosexuality would be regarded as a human behavior pattern of high repute…he flaunted his homosexuality in public and insisted that his cronies do the same. What was needed, Roehm believed, was a proud and arrogant lot who could brawl, carouse, smash windows, kill and slaughter for the hell of it. Straights, in his eyes, were not as adept in such behavior as practicing homosexuals” (Snyder:55). “The principle function of this army-like organization,” writes historian Thomas Fuchs, “was beating up anyone who opposed the Nazis, and Hitler believed this was a job best undertaken by homosexuals” (Fuchs:48f)…The favorite meeting place of the SA was a “gay” bar in Munich called the Bratwurstglockl where Roehm kept a reserved table (Hohne:82). This was the same tavern where some of the earliest formative meetings of the Nazi Party had been held (Rector:69) At the Bratwurstglockl, Roehm and associates-Edmund Heines, Karl Ernst, Ernst’s partner Captain Rohrbein, Captain Petersdorf, Count Ernst Helldorf and the rest-would meet to plan and strategize. These were the men who orchestrated the Nazi campaign of intimidation and terror. All of them were homosexual (Heiden:371) Indeed, homosexuality was all that qualified many of these men for their positions in the SA…This strange brand of nepotism was a hallmark of the SA…the Vikingkorps (Officers’ Corps) remained almost exclusively homosexual. “Roehm, as the head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops,” writes historian H.R. Knickerbocker, “had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts…In the SA, the Community of the Special’s Hellenic ideal of masculine homosexual supremacy and militarism was fully realized. “Theirs was a very masculine brand of homosexuality,” writes homosexualist historian Alfred Rowse, “they lived in a male world, without women, a world of camps and marching, rallies and sports. They had their own relaxations, and the Munich SA became notorious on account of them” (Rowse:214). The similarity of the SA to Freidlander and Brand’s dream of Hellenic revival is not coincidental. In Gay American History, Jonathan Katz writes that Roehm was a prominent member of the Society for Human Rights (SHR), an offshoot of the CS (J.Katz:632)…In 1945 a Jewish historian by the name of Samuel Igra published Germany’s National Vice, which called homosexuality the “poisoned stream” that ran through the heart of Nazism. (In the 1920s and 30s, homosexuality was known as “the German vice” across Europe because of the debaucheries of the Weimar period.) Igra, who escaped Germany in 1939, claims that Hitler “had been a male prostitute in Vienna at the time of his sojourn there, from 1907 to 1912, and that he practiced the same calling in Munich from 1912 to 1914″ (Igra:67). Desmond Seward, in Napoleon and Hitler, says Hitler is listed as a homosexual in Viennese police records (Seward:299). Lending credence to this is the fact, noted by Walter Langer, that during several of those years Hitler “chose to live in a Vienna flophouse known to be inhabited by many homosexuals” (Langer:192). Rector writes that, as a young man, Hitler was often called “der Schoen Adolf” (the handsome Adolf) and that later his looks “were also to some extent helpful in gaining big-money support from Ernst Ro[e]hm’s circle of wealthy gay friends” (Rector:52)…Langer, a psychiatrist, was commissioned by the Allies in 1943 to prepare a thorough psychological study of Hitler. His report, kept under wraps for 29 years, was published in book form in 1972 as The Mind of Adolf Hitler. Langer writes that Hitler was certainly a coprophile (a person who is sexually aroused by human excrement) and may have practiced homosexuality as an adult. He cites the testimony of Hermann Rauschning, a former Hitler confidante who “reports that he has met two boys who claimed that they were Hitler’s homosexual partners…More condemning,” adds Langer, “would be the remarks dropped by [Albert] Foerster, the Danzig gauleiter, in conversation with Rauschning…Hitler calls Foerster ‘Bubi,’ which is a common nickname employed by homosexuals in addressing their partners…Gay Holocaust” revisionists assert that Hitler’s ascension to the Chancellorship marked the beginning of a homosexual Holocaust in Germany. For example, in The Pink Triangle, Richard Plant writes, “After years of frustration…Hitler’s storm troopers now had the opportunity to smash their enemies: the lame, the mute, the feebleminded, the epileptic, the homosexual, the Jew, the Gypsy, the communist. These were the scapegoats singled out for persecution. These were the ‘contragenics’ who were to be ruthlessly eliminated to ensure the purity of the ‘Aryan race.’” (Plant:51). Rector, another revisionist, makes a similar statement: “Hitler’s homophobia did not surface until 1933-1934, when gays had come to affect adversely his New Order designs-out of which grew the simple solution of murdering them en masse” (Rector:24). The fact is that homosexuals were never murdered “en masse” or “ruthlessly eliminated” by the Nazis…The law against homosexual conduct had existed in Germany for many years prior to the Nazi regime as Paragraph 175 of the Reich Criminal Code, to wit: “A male who indulges in criminally indecent activity with another male, or who allows himself to participate in such activity, will be punished with imprisonment” (Burleigh and Wipperman:188)…In February of 1933, Hitler banned pornography, ho-mosexual bars and bath-houses, and groups which promoted “gay rights” (Plant:50). Ostensibly, this decree was a blanket condemnation of all homosexual activity in Germany, but in practice it served as just another means to find and destroy anti-Nazi groups and individuals. “Hitler,” admit Oosterhuis and Kennedy, “employed the charge of homosexuality primarily as a means to eliminate political opponents, both inside his party and out” (Oosterhuis and Kennedy: 248)…The masculine homosexuals in the Nazi leadership selectively enforced this policy only against their enemies and not against all homosexuals. Even Rector lends credence to this perspective, citing the fact that the decree “was not enforced in all cases” (Rector:66)…The charge of homosexuality was convenient for the Nazis to use against their political enemies because it was so difficult to defend against and so easy to justify to the populace. Since long before the Nazis, homosexuals had generally lived clandestine lives, so it was not unusual for revelations of their conduct to come as a surprise to their communities when it became a police matter. This is not to say that actual homosexuals were not prosecuted under the law. Many were. But the law was used selectively against the “Femmes.” And even when they were threatened, many effeminate homosexuals, especially those in the arts community, were given protection by certain Nazi leaders (Oosterhuis and Kennedy:248)…The Nazis’ hunt for incriminating evidence, as well as the selectivity of the Nazi violence, was obvious in the attack on Magnus Hirschfeld’s Sex Research Institute, May 6th, 1933. As noted previously, the Sex Research Institute of Berlin had been founded by Hirschfeld (in 1919) as a center for “study” of homosexuality and other sexual dysfunctions. For all intents and purposes, it served as the headquarters for the effeminate branch of the German “gay-rights” movement…Homosexualist James Steakley acknowledges the “Butch/Femme” aspect of the incident, saying that some German homosexuals “could conceivably have approved of the measure, particularly if they were Nazi sympathizers or male supremacists” (Steakley:105). However, the attack against the Institute was not motivated solely by the Nazi enmity against effeminate homosexuals. It was an attempt to cover up the truth about rampant homosexuality and other perversions in the Nazi Party. Sklar writes that, “Hitler attempted to bury all his earlier influences and his origins, and he spent a great deal of energy hiding them…[In this campaign to erase his past] Hitler ordered the murder of Reinhold Hanish, a friend who had shared his down-and-out days in Vienna” (where Hitler is suspected of having been a homosexual prostitute) (Sklar:21)…Although homosexuals were never targeted for extermination, some were interned in Nazi work camps. The actual number of pink-triangle prisoners, estimated at 5,000-15,000 by Joan Ringelheim of the US Holocaust museum (Rose:40), was a tiny fraction of the total camp population. Of these, an undetermined percentage were heterosexuals falsely labeled as homosexuals. Homosexuals who died in the camps (mostly of disease and starvation) were “a small fraction of less than 1 percent” of homosexuals in Germany (S. Katz:146), compared to more than 85 percent of European Jewry exterminated in the gas chambers. More significantly, many of the guards and administrators responsible for the infamous concentration camp atrocities were homosexuals themselves, which negates the proposition that homosexuals in general were being persecuted and interned…The enduring “Butch/Femme” conflict among German homosexuals clearly had a substantial bearing on the treatment of pink-triangle prisoners. Plant writes of one survivor who reported that “the guards lashed out with special fury against those who showed ‘effeminate traits’” (Plant:172). And Rector records an interview with a former Pink Triangle named Wolf (a pseudonym) in which the issue of effeminacy was raised. “The ones who were soft, shall I say, were the ones who suffered terribly,” said Wolf…Toward the end of World War II, many homosexuals were released from the concentration camps and drafted into the German army (Shaul:688). Steven Katz cites records that “indicate that 13 percent of all homosexual camp inmates were reprieved and released” (S. Katz:146). This was happening at the same time as the Nazis’ frantic push to increase their “production” in the death camps, in an effort to exterminate every last Jew in Europe before the Allies could liberate the camps…Sadly, the homosexual dimension of Nazi history is overlooked by many historians. As Duberman, Vicinus and Chauncey have stated with the title to their “gay studies” text, the role of homosexuals and pederasts has been Hidden from History. They, of course, imagine the influence of homosexuality to be positive. From the Judeo-Christian cultural context, however, the rise of homosexuality necessarily represents the diminution of Biblical morality as a restraint on human passions. Consequently, where Judeo-Christian ideals decrease, violence and depravity increase. It was the pederasts of the Community of the Special who sponsored the revival of Hellenic pagan ideals in German society. These men were viciously anti-Jew and anti-Christian because of the injunctions against homosexuality inherent in the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic. Homosexualist Warren Johansson notes that Hans Blueher, one of the leading theoreticians of the Community of the Special, “maintained that Judaism had suppressed the homosexual aspect of its culture, with concomitant hypertrophy [enlargement] of the family” (Johansson:816). Benedict Friedlander, in an essay for Der Eigene titled “Seven Propositions,” chose as his first proposition an attack on Christianity. “The white race is becoming ever sicker under the curse of Christianity, which is foreign to it and mostly harmful,” writes Friedlander. “That is the genuinely bad ‘Jewish influence,’ an opinion that has proven true, especially through the conditions in North America” (Friedlander in Oosterhuis and Kennedy:219). For his part, Adolf Brand called Christianity “barbarism” and “expressed his desire to fight ‘beyond good and evil,’ not for the sake of the masses, since the happiness of ‘the weak’ would result in a ‘slave mentality,’ but for the human being who proclaimed himself a god and was not to be subdued by human laws and ethics” (Oosterhuis and Kennedy:183). We should not forget Nietzsche, who called Christianity “the lie of millennia” (Macintyre: 188)…From the early years, leading Nazis openly attacked Christianity. Joseph Goebbels declared that “Christianity has infused our erotic attitudes with dishonesty” (Taylor:20). It is in this campaign against Judeo- Christian morality that we find the reason for the German people’s acceptance of Nazism’s most extreme atrocities. Their religious foundations had been systematically eroded over a period of decades by powerful social forces. By the time the Nazis came to power, German culture was spiritually bankrupt. Too often, historians have largely ignored the spiritual element of Nazi history; but if we look closely at Hitler’s campaign of extermination of the Jews, it becomes clear that his ostensive racial motive obscures a deeper and more primal hatred of the Jews as the “People of God.” The probable reason for Hitler’s attack on Christianity was his perception that it alone had the moral authority to stop the Nazi movement. But Christians stumbled before the flood of evil. As Poliakov notes, “[W]hen moral barriers collapsed under the impact of Nazi preaching…the same anti-Semitic movement that led to the slaughter of the Jews gave scope and license to an obscene revolt against God and the moral law. An open and implacable war was declared on the Christian tradition…[which unleashed] a frenzied and unavowed hatred of Christ and the Ten Commandments” (Poliakov:300).

    A Postscript on the Above

    Wait a minute! You might well ask, wasn’t Bhikshu Sangharakshita aka Dannis Lingwood up to the same thing? The difference is that in advocating his particular version of Buddhism he was advocating the adoption of so called “pagan” Hindu values, and not those of ancient Greece that glorified sodomy, but the values of India, both past and present, which are more compassionate and understanding, and which as far as the Judeo-Christian inheritance of Europe is concerned is inclusive rather than hostile and competative, all of the Indian religions, such as Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and the more recent religions of India such as Sikhism and the Lingayats, would love to adopt Jesus and treat him as one of theirs if they were allowed to do so. In addition many of Sangharakshita’s male followers got married after the great British pussy famine ended. Sad to say, a pussy famine is breaking out in India owing to an increase in female infanticide, which is undertaken in order to escape having to find the modern ruinous doweries that arise from copying those portrayed in popular films. Rather than beggar themselves more and more lower class Indians are forced to consider either abortion of infanticide. The result is a preponderance of males, who like the males of native British stock in the UK were tempted to adopt homosexuality during the 1960′s.

    The mystery of the schism between the pink triangle and the pink swastika explains why Enoch Powell and the National Front were against redressing the imbalence between males and females in the UK that arose from Eden’s policy of the large scale imigration of foreign men into the UK, while at the same time demonstrating against pink triangle Gay Pride marches is now explained. The National Front, representing the pink swastika, do not demonstrate against these Gay Pride marches out of hypocrasy, but out of conviction.

    THE REASON WE HAVE STARTED TO PROTEST AT GAY PRIDE EVENTS

    We were first impressed by a magazine produced by the organisation Christian Voice. The front page carried the headline “POLICE SHAME UNIFORM IN ‘GAY PRIDE STUNT” this was a sentiment that we felt ourselves. The parade in bringing together in carnival mood, many, mainly young people, with sexual, mental and psychological difficulties and then proclaiming that their suffering is normal, enjoyable, desirable and morally sound only perpetuates their suffering and introduces their problems into society. That is at least for those who are not one hundred per cent homosexual by nature. What we are concerned about is those who have been drawn into the gay movement who are not neccesarily homosexual. We heard one young woman talking to an older friend who totally opposed the gay parade and all it entailed. She must have had friends taking part in the parade for she wanted to join them for drinks. Her argument for the gay demonstration was that “everyone had the right to choose for themselves.” But we must ask the question, have people in recent years been left in their own time, to slowly come to know themselves, as they were allowed to in former times. Or have they been influenced by an artificial sub-culture which makes homosexuality appear an attractive alternative. Certainly the whole gay scene is being driven by communists, mainly from within the mass media, as well as big business. Those promoting the homosexual agenda are the same people who push multi-racialism, alien culture, race-mixing and the need for more immigration. Leftists do this while at the same time they, denigrate our religion and arts, as well as any form of British achievement. For instance, it was socialists who ended that spectacular showcase of the British armed forces, the Royal Tournament, saying it was “too patriotic”. The Notting Hill Carnival however, famed as much for its crime as it is for its theatre, is acclaimed by leftists as the highlight of the London calendar. One can see that Gay Parades are twinned with the race-mixing programme, in that the small number of African males who attend homosexual events, are usually there for no other reason than to show off to the world their white girlfriend. The common factor is that homosexuals will not produce children, while a mixed-race couple may, but the children will not be white. The left-wing call for “Abortion on Demand” is yet another means that has been employed to keep our British birthrate down. In Manchester city centre on the day of the gay parade we saw three groups of black African musicians playing, mainly on drums. The idea of them being there while the streets were crowded, was now doubt to give the impression,to youngsters in particular, that it is normal for black Africans to be providing music for whites in a European city. Mind, the music they were playing did not sound particularly African. It was the mechanical, type of music that is composed in commercial, cosmopolitan recording studios. Here we have a case of Africans having lost their culture, implanting into this country music that is not European. This is exactly the kind of destruction of culture that we complain about. We are not against homosexuals who cannot help themselves, and who carry out their deviant activity in private. What the National Front opposes is the promotion of homosexuality, particularly when it is aimed at young children. The fact that for forty years, youngsters have been denied the freedom of an innocent childhood, in itself could explain much of their confusion in determining who they really are. We are also against the exploitation of disturbed people for political ends. The National Front has carried out its final protest against the Gay Parades for this year. We will be in action again in 2008. We know that the majority of people agree with our views, why not come and join us.

    That is enough now upon homosexuality and the far right, next more on the right wing and prostitution. Meanwhile get a eyeful of this!

    Keeler: In the early 1960s Profumo was the secretary of state for war in Harold Macmillan’s Conservative government and was married to actress Valerie Hobson. In 1961 Profumo met Christine Keeler, a London showgirl, at a house party at Cliveden, the Buckinghamshire mansion owned by Lord Astor. Although many years later he would claim, in discussion with his son, David, that he had met Keeler previously at a night club in London called Murray’s and “probably had a drink with her.”[1] Also present at the Cliveden party were Profumo’s wife and the fashionable osteopath, Dr Stephen Ward, a long-standing acquaintance of Keeler. The relationship with Keeler lasted only a few weeks before Profumo ended it. However, rumours about the affair became public in 1962, as did the allegation that Keeler had also had a relationship with Yevgeny “Eugene” Ivanov, a senior naval attaché at the Soviet embassy in London. Given Profumo’s position in the government and with the Cold War in full swing at the time, the potential ramifications in terms of national security were grave, and this, along with the adulterous nature of Profumo’s relationship with Keeler, quickly elevated the affair into a public scandal Wickipedia.

    On the 8th June the Washington Star published an interview with Mandy Rice-Davies, the contents of which were essentially repeated on the 21st June in the Daily Express for the edification of its British readers. This interview was most notable for Mandy’s statement that she had attended, ‘a dinner party where a naked man (i.e. Profumo) wearing a mask waited on table like a slave. He had to have a mask because he was so well known’…There was naturally much public interest in the activities of these perverted party goers as well as much speculation regarding the identity of the ‘masked man’. Washington Star

    At 16, Keeler was dating American GI’s from military bases in the Wraysbury area. One of the men was Jim, a black sergeant from Laleham Air Force base. Months after he had left for the states, Keeler discovered she was pregnant. She tried to abort the baby herself with a knitting needle. It was a bloody and bungled affair, and the child was born prematurely on 17 April 1959. It survived just six days. The summer Keeler left Wraysbury, staying briefly in Slough with a friend before heading for London. Keeler, who is pictured above sitting upon a chair in a rather eccentric manner, before whoring for the Polish pimp Steven Ward, had whored for two “coloured men”, this led to a conflict between the two “coloured pimps” and Steven Ward that eventually attracted media notice, which brought the Profumo scandal to public notice. No doubt these two “coloured men” had given up their jobs with London Transport after finding out why English men refused to work for London Transport, low wages and poor conditions, and upon becoming pimps each one of the two pimps exchanged his bicycle that he had used for going to work with a brand new shiny pimpmobile, thereby proclaiming to all and sundry his new superior status in British society as being moneyed rather than poor but honest, meanwhile the Polish pimp Steven Ward no doubt borrowed Profumo’s chauffeur driven Humber for a spin now and then by lending his whore, Keeler, to Profumo for a you-know-what now and then. It is much to the credit of the West Indian pimps of those times that they did not exploit women of their own race, their whores were young white English women, most of whom entered whoredom willingly like Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davies rather than marrying young English men and settling down to married life. May be they just like Richard Williams with a tan? Perhaps it is time to talk about the black man’s penis urban myth. According to this urban myth the English woman’s preference for black men arises from the alledged fact that black men have “bigger knobs” than white men, which is also why dinge queens prefer them, but having used communal showers during athletic activities I found that this myth is not true, despite this Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davis had plenty of black puddings, and not a few white ones too! I have included a couple of quotes by two intellectuals upon this subject from You Tube

    Why is there such an obsession with the Blackmans penis size…by now you must know that not all Blackmen have a BIG PENIS…i am white and my absolute best friend is Black and my penis is much larger then his,but to us it is no BIG DEAL. But i must admit that the Biggest i ever seen has been on a BLACK,but there are other races with big ones too…i just don’t understand why Black guys are the target of this myth.I think Black guys play too much into this stereotype cause they like attention. WHITESLICK10

    This is some punk shit here. Why are u so obsessed with a blackmans dick? You dont hear us going around talking about yours? Your not going to hear that. Either these guys are attracted to blackmen or they just are homosexual. leecool 1956

    One effect of the big black knob urban myth is that English women are replacing black women who are left with the choice of either remaining spinsters or marrying English men. This is indicated by a survey held in 2008.

    Among British-born Caribbeans, half of men with a partner live with a white woman; and a third of women with a partner live with a white man. The rate of mixed partnership is increasing rapidly for men (though not for women). ISER News

    If you watch British soap operas you will find that the black male characters easily find white female companionship, but black female characters are left on the shelf, the only exception being East Enders, in which the subject of white male black female marriage and dating is broached, as well as black on black marriage and dating. The saga of the trophy blond and the well endowed black man is a popular British fairy story. The reality is quite different, but the two myths have allowed me to have wonderful love affairs with left over non-white women, anyway, on with the motly, with Keeler as the main character.
    Keeler: In 1957, at the age of 15, Keeler took a job as a model at a dress shop in London’s Soho quarter. She commuted there daily from Wraysbury. One day, the shop’s sweeper, a Ghanaian student, invited her to his flat, where she lost her virginity to him. Says Keeler: ‘I can’t say I was stimulated by the experience…While waitressing at a restaurant in Baker Street, Keeler met Maureen O’Connor, a girl who worked at Murray’s Cabaret Club in Soho. She introduced Keeler to the owner, Percy Murray, who hired her almost immediately as a topless showgirl. As expected of showgirls, Keeler was soon sitting with the customers between acts, encouraging them to buy more drinks. One night, a rich Arab customer came to Murray’s. He was accompanied by a starlet and a second man – Stephen Ward. Leaning over to Keeler, Ward said, with great charm, ‘You were wonderful in the show.’ He asked what she was doing later. Keeler tried to avoid giving him her ‘phone number, but Ward was insistent and managed to get hold of it before leaving the club that night. The next day, Ward called Keeler three times. She fobbed him off, but he turned up at Wraysbury to charm her mother. On their second date, Ward asked Keeler to move into his flat in Bayswater. Ward had much to offer Keeler. She was an attractive woman alone in a big city and he could give her security and an undemanding friendship. Unlike most men, Ward did not pester Keeler for sex. She recalled that they were soon living like ‘brother and sister’. Some time after meeting Keeler, Ward decided that he wanted to move to a larger flat. The one person that he knew could help was Peter Rachman – later to be exposed as London’s most unscrupulous property racketeer…A burst of gunfire in a London backstreet marked the beginning of the end for Ward and Profumo. Just when the events of 1961 seemed to be fading, Christine Keeler’s love life yet again spelled disaster. By the summer of 1962, the Profumo-Keeler-Ivanov story was beginning to seep out into society circles. July’s issue of Queen magazine made a vague reference to the rumours in a gossip column snippet – ‘called in MI5 because every time the chauffeur driven ZIS drew up at her front door, out of the back door into a chauffeur driven Humber slopped…Among Christine Keeler’s lovers were two West Indian rivals for her attention, Aloysius ‘Lucky’ Gordon and Johnny Edgecombe. Gordon was jealously infatuated with Keeler. He had assaulted her in the street and had also, Keeler alleges held her hostage for two days with an axe. Keeler dropped charges she had brought for the latter incident in response to appeals from Gordon’s brother…When Keeler at last rejected Gordon, she bought a revolver to protect herself from him. John Edgecombe was also enlisted by Keeler to act as her minder. On 27 October 1962, Edgecombe and Gordon met in a face-to-face confrontation at a Soho club. Edgecombe slit Gordon’s face with a knife inflicting a wound needing 17 stitches…For the next few weeks Edgecombe went into hiding from the police, while Keeler, in fear for her life changed address to avoid Gordon. Edgecombe realised that he could not remain in hiding indefinitely and asked Keeler to help him find a solicitor before surrendering himself to the police. But Keeler, jealous of the fact that Edgecombe had taken another lover, made a decision that was to precipitate the exposure of the whole Profumo story. She told Edgecombe that she would not help him and that she planned to testify against him in court…In the early afternoon of 14 December 1962, Edgecombe, wile with rage, showed up outside Ward’s Wimple Mews flat. Keeler, there visiting Mandy Rice-Davies, refused to let him in. Incensed, Edgecombe blasted the door with the revolver that had once belonged to Keeler. Neighbours hearing the startling commotion, raised the alarm, and Wimpole Mews was quickly swarming with police and journalists. Edgecombe, who managed to make off in a taxi, was later arrested at his Brentford flat. The press, excited by the action, had no idea of the story that was about to be unleashed.The episode proved a catalyst. Keeler’s story of sexual and political intrigue poured forth to interested parties. Michael Eddowes, a solicitor friend of Ward, who later played a prominent part in its exposure and was responsible for alerting the Americans to security aspects of the affair, was on such person. Keeler also informed the former Labour MP, John Lewis, who, unknown to her, was an avowed enemy of Stephen Ward. After hearing Keeler’s amazing testimony, Lewis believed that he was finally in a position to ruin Ward. It so happened that he was also a horse racing acquaintance of Profumo’s critic, Labour MP George Wigg…A rare weekend away found John Profumo (sometimes known as Jack) – War minister in a conservative government that had held power for 10 years – and his actress wife Valeric Hobson at Cliveden House, Buckinghamshire. Just one hours drive from London, Profumo’s close friend Lord Astor often held extravagant parties there attended by the rich, famous and influential. This July in 1961 Astor had 30 guests for dinner. 19 year old showgirl and model, Christine Keeler, was also attending a party on the Cliveden estate, at the riverside cottage that Lord Astor rented to his osteopath, Stephen Ward. The 47 year old Ward and Keeler flatted together in London, and she was a regular visitor to the retreat. That Saturday, 8 July, was incredibly hot. Ward had an invitation from Lord Astor to use the swimming pool, and his party was keen to cool off. Keeler chose an ill fitting suit from several provided by Lord Astor for his guests, and laughing Ward suggested she take it off. Moments later she was naked and diving into the pool. It was getting very late when a group of Astor’s guests, catching the sounds of splashing and laughter drifting from the pool, decided to wander down and take a look. Astor and Profumo walked ahead of the group, and were confronted by a naked dripping and embarrassed Keeler, grabbing a towel to cover herself. Ward had flug her swimming costume into some bushes. Lord Astor made the introductions, Mrs Profumo offered Christine a swimsuit and Ward and his friends were invited to the house…Lord Astor invited Ward’s group for another swim the next day. Sunday dawned hotter than the previous day. Christine had invited two of her girlfriends and Ward’s friend Ivanov. They headed for the pool. Profumo and Ivanov fought for Christine’s attention with boisterous water games. Keeler liked Ivanov, thinking he was a real mans man. By the end of the weekend Profumo had gotten Keelers phone number from Ward, but she went home with Ivanov. Ward heard all the details the following day, remarking “Goodness, with your friend Eugene one hand and your new friend (Profumo) you could start a war!”…The first ‘date’ between Keeler and Profumo was a drive around London in the ministerial limousine. Although the young woman did not find John Profumo handsome, his aura of power both impressed Keeler and appealed to her. Profumo began to visit Keeler at Ward’s Wimpole Mews flat. He would usually take her for a drive until the coast was clear…Despite possible worry about his wife, Profumo once took Keeler home, a grand Nash house in Regents Park. ‘It was late,’ said Keeler. ‘The butler and the rest of the staff were in bed…We crept around the lovely rooms. And then we got into their bedroom…’The couple made love, said Keeler, on the Profumos’ bed…The couple also made love in his car, and, once, in Regents Park. His presents to her included a Flaminaire cigarette lighter and £20 ‘fore her mother’ – a polite way of paying for her services. Keeler later summed up the liaison as ‘a very well mannered screw of convenience; only in other people’s minds, much later, was it “An Affair”‘…However, on 9 August, when the ‘affair’ was barely a month old, Profumo was warned about his liaison by the government’s Cabinet Secretary, Sir Norman Brook…Within hours of seeing Brook, Profumo sat down to write what was to be his ‘goodbye’ letter to Keeler. Profumo spent the summer recess with his family. As far as he was concerned, the matter was resolved. Blog by Nzgirl

    Davies:In 1960, Mandy (‘born Marilyn’) Rice-Davies was 16 years old. Though she grew up in Solihull near Birmingham, her parents were Welsh – her mother, a miner’s daughter, her father, an ex-policeman working for tyre company, Dunlop. At 15, but looking older, she began to model clothes at Marshall & Snelgrove, a Birmingham department store…Before she turned 16, Rice-Davies lost her virginity to a graduate of Trinity College, Dublin. He was helping his parents run their shop in the summer holiday, and the event, she remembers, took place ‘in the room above the sweet shop next to the Odeon cinema…Some months later, Rice-Davies was in London, posing as a model at the Earl’s Court launch of a new car called the Mini. The pay for the week was £80; that, plus receptions and glamorous launch parties, gave her a taste of the high life. Rice-Davies packed her bags and headed south…On her first day in London, Rice-Davies was hired as a dancer at Murray’s Cabaret Club. Here, the 16-year-old Rice-Davies found many wealthy, often middle-aged, admirers. They included Walter Flack, millionaire partner of the property magnate, Charles Clore (who was to have sex with Keeler for money), and Eric, Earl of Dudley. The Earl showered Rice-Davies with flowers, sent her a case of pink champagne and took her for drives in his Jaguar. Another admirer was New York millionaire Robert Sherwood. He advised Rice-Davies to go back to Solihull. Rice-Davies, caught up in London’s excitement and glamour, chose to ignore him. Blog by Nzgirl

    In December 1962, a shooting incident in London involving two other men who were involved with Keeler led the press to investigate Ms Keeler, and reporters soon learned of her affairs with Profumo and Ivanov. But the British tradition of respecting the private lives of British politicians was maintained until March 1963, when the Labour MP George Wigg, claiming to be motivated by the national security aspects of the case, referred in the House of Commons (ie. under immunity from any possible legal action) to rumours that Profumo was having an affair with Keeler. Profumo then made a personal statement in which he admitted he knew Keeler but denied there was any ‘impropriety’ in their relationship. Profumo’s statement did not prevent newspapers publishing stories about Keeler, and it soon became apparent to Macmillan that his position was untenable. On 5 June 1963 Profumo was forced to admit that he had lied to the House, an unforgivable offence in British politics. He resigned from office, from the House and from the Privy Council. Wickipeia

    On 8th July 1961 Keeler met John Profumo, the Minister of War, at a party at Cliveden. Profumo kept in contact with Keeler and they eventually began an affair. At the same time Keeler was sleeping with Eugene Ivanov, a Soviet spy. According to Keeler: “Their (Ward and Hollis) plan was simple. I was to find out, through pillow talk, from Jack Profumo when nuclear warheads were being moved to Germany.” Keeler was also invited to sex parties. In December 1961 Mariella Novotny held a party that became known as the “Feast of Peacocks”. According to Christine Keeler, there was “a lavish dinner in which this man wearing only… a black mask with slits for eyes and laces up the back… and a tiny apron – one like the waitresses wore in 1950s tearooms – asked to be whipped if people were not happy with his services.” On 11th July, 1962, Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davies arrived in the United States. She later discovered that her movements were being monitored by the FBI. Seven days later she returned to London. After the Cuban Missile Crisis Ward told Keeler that he believed John F. Kennedy would be assassinated. He told her and Eugene Ivanov: “A man like John Kennedy will not be allowed to stay in such an important position of power in the world, I assure you of that.” On 28th October, 1962, Stephen Ward introduced Keeler to Michael Eddowes, a lawyer who had become a rich businessman who owned Bistro Vino, a chain of restaurants. As Keeler later revealed: “I kept my date with Michael Eddowes but he was far too old for me. He was nearly sixty but her certainly was interested and wanted to set me up in a flat in Regent’s Park.” During this period she became involved with two black men, Lucky Gordon and John Edgecombe. The two men became jealous of each other and this resulted in Edgecombe slashing Gordon’s face with a knife. On 14th December 1962, Edgecombe, fired a gun at Stephen Ward’s Wimpole Mews flat, where Keeler had been visiting with Mandy Rice-Davies. Two days after the shooting Keeler contacted Michael Eddowes for legal advice about the Edgecombe case. During this meeting she told Eddowes: “In 1960, aged 16, Rice-Davies was employed as a model at the Earls Court Motor Show”. After being paid £80 for the week’s work, she decided to move permanently to London. She then got a job as a dancer at Murray’s Cabaret Club in Soho where she met Christine Keeler…they saw a lot of each other and eventually the two girls took part in “threesome” sex scenes with men…Christine Keeler introduced Rice-Davies to Stephen Ward and Lord Astor. The two men helped pay the rent for the two women to live in a flat at Comeragh Road…During this period Rice-Davies also got to know Maria Novotny, who ran sex parties in London. So many senior politicians attended that she began referring to herself as the “government’s Chief Whip”. As well as British politicians such as John Profumo and Ernest Marples…Rice-Davies was also invited to sex parties. In December 1961 Mariella Novotny held a party that became known as the “Feast of Peacocks”. According to Christine Keeler, there was “a lavish dinner in which this man wearing only… a black mask with slits for eyes and laces up the back… and a tiny apron – one like the waitresses wore in 1950s tearooms – asked to be whipped if people were not happy with his services.”. In her autobiography, Mandy (1980) Rice-Davies described what happened when she arrived at Novotny’s party in Bayswater: “The door was opened by Stephen (Ward) – naked except for his socks… All the men were naked, the women naked except for wisps of clothing like suspender belts and stockings. I recognised our host and hostess, Mariella Novotny and her husband Horace Dibbins, and unfortunately I recognised too a fair number of other faces as belonging to people so famous you could not fail to recognise them: a Harley Street gynaecologist, several politicians, including a Cabinet minister of the day, now dead, who, Stephen told us with great glee, had served dinner of roast peacock wearing nothing but a mask and a bow tie instead of a fig leaf.”…The trial of Stephen Ward began at the Old Bailey on July 1963. Christine Keeler and Rice-Davies, were both called as witnesses. Mandy Rice-Davies admitted receiving money and gifts from Peter Rachman and Emil Savundra. As she was living with Ward at the time she gave him some of this money for unpaid rent. As Rice-Davies pointed out: “Much was made of the fact that I was paying him a few pounds a week whilst I was living in Wimpole Mews”…Ronna Ricardo had said that she had sex for money and then gave it to Ward at a preliminary hearing…I (Christine Keeler) thought Mandy Rice-Davies was a true tart. There was always shock on her face whenever she thought she might have to do more than lie on her back to make a living. Spartacus Educational

    Stephen (Ward) asked me to ask Jack Profumo what date the Germans were to get the bomb.” However, she later claimed that she knew Ward was joking when he said this. Eddowes then asked Ward about this matter. Keeler later recalled: “Stephen fed him the line he had prepared with Roger Hollis for such an eventuality: it was Eugene (Ivanov) who had asked me to find out about the bomb.” A few days later Keeler met John Lewis, a Labour Party MP and successful businessman at a Christmas party. Keeler later confessed: “I told him about Stephen asking me to get details about the bomb. I told him about Jack. He told George Wigg, the powerful Labour MP with the ear of Harold Wilson. Wigg, who was Jack’s opposite number in the Commons, started a Lewis-style dossier; it was the official start of the investigations and questions which would pull away the foundations of the Macmillan government.” – The trial of Stephen Ward began at the Old Bailey on 22nd July 1963. Rebecca West was one of the journalists covering the case. She described Barrett looking like “a photograph from a famine relief fund appeal.” Ludovic Kennedy, the author of The Trial of Stephen Ward (1964) commented: “She came into the witness-box, a little whey-faced blonde, wearing a sort of green raincoat with a white scarf round her neck; and when she turned to face the court and while she was giving the oath, one’s impression was one of shock; shock that Ward, whom one had believed to be a man of some fastidiousness in his tastes, had sunk so low. For of all the whores the prosecution had paraded or were still to parade before us this one was the bottom of the barrel.” On 28th October, 1962, Stephen Ward introduced Keeler to Michael Eddowes, a lawyer who had become a rich businessman who owned Bistro Vino, a chain of restaurants. As Keeler later revealed: “I kept my date with Michael Eddowes but he was far too old for me. He was nearly sixty but her certainly was interested and wanted to set me up in a flat in Regent’s Park.” During this period she became involved with two black men, Lucky Gordon and John Edgecombe. The two men became jealous of each other and this resulted in Edgecombe slashing Gordon’s face with a knife. On 14th December 1962, Edgecombe, fired a gun at Stephen Ward’s Wimpole Mews flat, where Keeler had been visiting with Mandy Rice-Davies. Two days after the shooting Keeler contacted Michael Eddowes for legal advice about the Edgecombe case. During this meeting she told Eddowes: “Stephen (Ward) asked me to ask Jack Profumo what date the Germans were to get the bomb.” However, she later claimed that she knew Ward was joking when he said this. Eddowes then asked Ward about this matter. Keeler later recalled: Stephen fed him the line he had prepared with Roger Hollis for such an eventuality: it was Eugene (Ivanov) who had asked me to find out about the bomb. ” A few days later Keeler met John Lewis, a Labour Party MP and successful businessman at a Christmas party. Keeler later confessed: “I told him about Stephen asking me to get details about the bomb. I told him about Jack. He told George Wigg, the powerful Labour MP with the ear of Harold Wilson. Wigg, who was Jack’s opposite number in the Commons, started a Lewis-style dossier; it was the official start of the investigations and questions which would pull away the foundations of the Macmillan government.” John Simkin, Admin

    In 1960, aged 16, Rice-Davies was employed as a model at the Earls Court Motor Show. After being paid £80 for the week’s work, she decided to move permanently to London. She then got a job as a dancer at Murray’s Cabaret Club in Soho where she met Christine Keeler…they saw a lot of each other and eventually the two girls took part in “threesome” sex scenes with men…Christine Keeler introduced Rice-Davies to Stephen Ward and Lord Astor. The two men helped pay the rent for the two women to live in a flat at Comeragh Road…During this period Rice-Davies also got to know Maria Novotny, who ran sex parties in London. So many senior politicians attended that she began referring to herself as the “government’s Chief Whip”. As well as British politicians such as John Profumo and Ernest Marples…Rice-Davies was also invited to sex parties. In December 1961 Mariella Novotny held a party that became known as the “Feast of Peacocks”. According to Christine Keeler, there was “a lavish dinner in which this man wearing only… a black mask with slits for eyes and laces up the back… and a tiny apron – one like the waitresses wore in 1950s tearooms – asked to be whipped if people were not happy with his services.”. In her autobiography, Mandy (1980) Rice-Davies described what happened when she arrived at Novotny’s party in Bayswater: “The door was opened by Stephen (Ward) – naked except for his socks… All the men were naked, the women naked except for wisps of clothing like suspender belts and stockings. I recognised our host and hostess, Mariella Novotny and her husband Horace Dibbins, and unfortunately I recognised too a fair number of other faces as belonging to people so famous you could not fail to recognise them: a Harley Street gynaecologist, several politicians, including a Cabinet minister of the day, now dead, who, Stephen told us with great glee, had served dinner of roast peacock wearing nothing but a mask and a bow tie instead of a fig leaf.”…The trial of Stephen Ward began at the Old Bailey on July 1963. Christine Keeler and Rice-Davies, were both called as witnesses. Mandy Rice-Davies admitted receiving money and gifts from Peter Rachman and Emil Savundra. As she was living with Ward at the time she gave him some of this money for unpaid rent. As Rice-Davies pointed out: “Much was made of the fact that I was paying him a few pounds a week whilst I was living in Wimpole Mews”…Ronna Ricardo had said that she had sex for money and then gave it to Ward at a preliminary hearing…I (Christine Keeler) thought Mandy Rice-Davies was a true tart. There was always shock on her face whenever she thought she might have to do more than lie on her back to make a living.

    During the trial of Stephan Ward the judge asked Christine Keeler if she smoked after having sex, to which Keeler replied, “I don’t know M’lud, I have never looked.” Anyway while top British politicians shared their whores with negros in the 1960′s, when all is said and done, the young men in the UK had a rather hard time in the 20th. Century, according to Wickipedia during WW1 885.138 died, and 1,663,435 were injured. Was the Britain of knaves like Profumo and whores like Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davies the kind of Britain for which brave men fought and died in two world wars? Let’s just look up two words, the first is feminism, the second is masculism.

    Feminism is a discourse that involves various movements, theories and philosophies which are concerned with the issue of gender difference, that advocate equality for women, and that campaign for women’s rights and interests. wickipedia
    The view, articulated in the 19th century, that women are inherently equal to men and deserve equal rights and opportunities. More recently, a social and political movement that took hold in the United States in the late 1960s, soon spreading globally. usa embassy
    a philosophy embracing economics, politics, literature and indeed every aspect of the humanities, and which seeks to posit women on an equal footing with men; and in doing so to show how men have established and reinforced their historical dominance. fortunecity
    (a) a range of contemporary theoretical perspectives (political, sociological, legal, psychoanalytic, literary, philosophical) in which women’s experiences are examined in relation to actual and perceived differences between the power and status of men and women; (b) a social justice movement. pridelib
    A belief that women should have equality with men in political, social, and economic fields, and not be discriminated against on the basis of sex. wwsd22bc?
    (The trouble with the last definition is that men are not allowed maternity leave after they have given birth to a baby whereas women do, so what about equality for men, or is there some biological difference between men and women?)

    Masculism…Belief in the superiority of men or the masculine; Advocacy of men’s rights on ground of equality of the sexes. wickipedia
    Masculism (or Masculinism) has two contrasting meanings. When used by self-identified masculists, the term refers to social theories, political movements, and moral philosophies primarily based on the experiences of men. Many of its active proponents also seek to analyze gender inequality and promote men’s rights, interests, and issues.
    In an older, usually critical, sense used in feminist thought, sociology, anthropology, psychology, masculinism refers to a belief in the superiority of men or the masculine.[1] Traditional academic usage tends to use the form “masculinism” whereas the newer movements focused on men’s rights tend to use the form “masculism.” However, this distinction in usage of the two word forms is only approximate, and both forms are used in both senses. wickipedia

    If women had their so called equality with men then half of the deaths and injuries in WW1 and WW2 would have been women.


  422. Can a middle aged White broad join the conversation late?

    “She has every right to determine who will make the best mate, or lay, for her possible and to act on that choice”

    No, she doesn’t. Because if, in her stupidity and trampishness, she conceives a sprout by a bad boy, and the dad, being a bad-boy, thus, irresponsible type, splits, that’s NOT FAIR to the SPROUT. Why is there so little discussion about the wellbeing of the offspring, these days?

    circumcision: I’ll believe it DOESN’T hurt a man’s sex life when an intact grown man has it done (for religious conversion, maybe?) and tells us that having a piece of his manhood whacked off DIDN’T decrease his enjoyment. Huh. Until then I’m skeptical. We left our son intact. Told him at age 10 (ve-r-r-r-r-ry uncomfortable conversation, snerk) if he wants it done to be like the other guys in the locker room, we’d pay to have it done. So far he hasn’t asked.

    Obsidian, you’re a smart guy. I think you’re onto something that black boys don’t learn well from women. YOU, Obsidian, should return to the ghetto to substitute father / teach to read, some of those underparented boys who are the product of single mothers.


  423. Anonymous Middle Aged White Lady,

    NO, I don’t owe anyone anything. I am an American citizen and as such an individual. My only goal is to live the best life that I can, for me and those I care about. It is not my job to “go back” anywhere and redeem or teach anyone, anymore than its your job to go to Appalachia and redeem or teach Poor White Trash how to live better. The sooner White folks of good will really understand this, the better our nation will be.

    Thanks for the compliment!

    O


  424. “The sooner White folks of good will really understand this, the better our nation will be.”

    Appalachia is too far from where I live, but I volunteer in my town. Are you not in D.C.?

    If successful educated Black men, such as yourself, do NOT return to the ghetto to save the Black boys, no one will. Because no one else can.

    Boys need men to raise them. And only successful Black men possess the moral authority to command those Black boys’ attention and respect, to teach them the value of self-discipline, to teach them to read, and show them another way to live besides crime, so they can live good lives.

    Boys cannot grow up emotionally whole without a male role model, directly involved in their lives, who loves them, and is willing to teach by example to how to be a man, not just a thug.
    Those Black boys of single mothers, whose fathers are in prison or just not in their lives, need a successful man who loves them to provide a role model for a way of life besides thuggery. To show that boy, by direct example, that reading and education will make his life better.

    But White men can’t do the job. Because the Black boys do not have any respect for White men.

    No one else in the country, but educated, successful, Alpha, Black men, such as yourself, can save those Black boys without fathers. White men cannot. And White women CERTAINLY cannot. We’ve tried since 1964. Whites have tried everything we can think of to lift Black males up. Affirmative Action. Community policing. Welfare. Drug rehab., etc., etc., etc.

    Whites, for all the trillions of tax dollars spent and millions of hours put in by White women social workers, have only managed to make the problem WORSE. The stats for black boys, in terms of percentages born out of wedlock, drug use, arrests, dying young from violence, etc., etc., etc., are WORSE than in the 1950s.

    Obsidian, it’s YOUR turn. You, and other accomplished Black men, have to, because no one else can.


  425. Anonymous,I may abstractly agree that successful black men should return to the inner city to help black boys to desire and realize success,but
    in (almost) 2010,too many African-American males believe upwardly
    mobile African-American men are “Uncle Toms,””sell-outs,” etc.,be-
    cause they do not evince any “thug life” behaviour,which is today boomed as “keepin’ it real” by black opinion-makers,i.e.,the mounte-
    banks and charlatans who style themselves “black leaders.”
    Also,black boys who are top students are maligned as “Uncle Toms,”
    “sell-outs,” even “f**gs” by their less-intellectually inclined peers,and to
    become more accepted by them,revert to type and eventually fall into the
    morass of “gangtsa-ism” which impairs African-Americans.
    As black conservative author Shelby Steele says,only an unbending de-
    votion to learning and knowledge will uplift the African-American under-
    class,especially the boys,into the mainstream.


  426. Middle-aged white broads can opine here(as can middle-aged,classical-
    ly handsome black lads or anyone else!!!!)


  427. Tood,Michelle Obama is bigger than most shortstops were when I was a young baseball fan in the 60′s,and she’s boob-less.(Almost as articulate
    as Barack,though!!!!)


  428. Why do black men hate black women? Watch this short video.


  429. I gotta agree w/Anonymous Middle Aged White Lady here. She makes a good point. And in truth, I’ve always done what she suggested, even pleaded. I was just reacting to what I perceived as some Whites’ trying to ask Black folks to do something many of them wouldn’t give a thought to doing themselves.

    I had misjudged AMAWL. My apologies, if she’s reading.

    Black Cowboy, I hear what you’re saying, but I really do think the whole “acting White” thing is a bit overblown. I can’t recall any Black boy giving me or any other literate, curious and even somewhat intellectually curious Black Man any guff for being “White” or “selling out”. Nor have I heard any “Black Leaders” advocate for same either-perhaps you could provide examples?

    O


  430. BlackCowboy
    You finally said something smart on this board. Noone is considered a sellout unless that is what they are.When will you black men learn that just because you date a white woman or marry a woman of a different race *doesn’t* mean you have to diss your own race.That’s absurd.Being a man is learning how to fight for the things you want and not leave someone else holding the bag (as so many black woman have been left).If you choose to date white women, fine, what makes you a sellout is when you go out of your way to diss your own race (and sellout is the nicest word I can come up with).If that’s not being a sellout, what is? It’s simply not necessary and says much more about you than you realize. I’m encouraged however to see that you have cleaned up your language.These poor black boys are learning the thug life cause that is what they see–if they have a father who abandoned them, another half in prison, and the rest (you would fall in this category) who look like them but talks bad about them (reverberting the same language they would hear from a racist white woman/man)…well, what else do you expect? Oftentimes, you have a black woman trying to raise a BLACK MALE with the odds against her as she is either lost herself or working 5 jobs just to maintain and simply doesn’t have the time required to ensure he will be okay.Black men like you are a joke.You have no depth to your thinking as all you can think to do is put black women on the back burner and blame her for the problems of the black race.That’s a sickness and a curse sir & you (as well as other black men who think this way) will have to answer to GOD for your lazy thinking.


  431. Anonymous

    You are mostly right in your assessment.Black men are the only group of men in modern society who expect women to correct the ills of the group.It’s ridiculous and obviously NOT working.Things work best when they work as they should & women can’t be caregiver and caretaker at the same time!


  432. Please stop stereotyping groups of people….everyone is an individual.

    If you see one group of less advantaged Blacks somewhere doesn’t mean ‘all Black people are….’

    or ‘all White people are….’

    or ‘all Asian people are….’

    or ‘all Latinos are….’

    Women or men of any ‘group’ of people don’t own or have any patent on the opposite sex. People have been racially mixing since the races moved to different climates and adapted to those climates to look different…..and people will continue to mix. So trying to understand why someone dates someone of ‘another race’ is just as pointless as trying to find out why someone dates someone ‘within’ their ‘race’. Can you explain to someone the feeling you get that tells you that you’re in love? All you can say is that you’re in love. Have a nice day.


  433. Stereotyping can be a real timesaver


  434. Mahogany,first,how do you know that I’m a believer in God?(I am,a
    Roman Catholic,but anyway…)Secondly,I’m NOT “dissing the black race”
    by saying something most black men have wanted to say since time im-
    memorial,but have just recently been in a position to opine.(You should
    listen to us boys when we get together over some suds;you’d be sur-
    prised how many other black lads share my view of most black women)
    Thirdly,I have no intention whatever of playing the “African-American
    authenticity cult game” with people whose IQ is about the same as my late cognitively impaired uncle.


  435. Right on,sujiro,you’re BY FAR the most intelligent poster to this thread!!!!
    And Anonymous,Obsidian is right.Why doesn’t ANYONE ask accomplished white men to go the Appalachia,trailer parks or other places the white under-class resides to bring them into the mainstream/
    Liberal bigotry,anyone.(Anonymous,I can picture the likes of you dating a black dude-well,he wouldn’t be me,because you’re an admitted “Middle Aged white broad,”and I’m after young buxom blonde broads.)


  436. BlackCowboy

    And you should hear what my BLACK friends and our husbands say about silly, sucka, negroes such as yourself.Bottomline, I could care less about what people you hang with say about black women.Say what you want but you wouldn’t be alive if it weren’t for a black women.Sorry you hate yourself but don’t try to lump most black men in this category as that is a LIE.Most black men are with black women–you sir are in the minority.Live with it and deal with it. Enjoy the rest of your miserable life.


  437. BlackCowboy

    “African-American
    authenticity cult game”—How funny you mention authentic. You are anything but so don’t worry about it. What you are is an authentic fool.


  438. Mahogany,the day I worry about some fugly,b***hy broad’s opinion of me,I’ll VOLUNTARILY commit myself.I’m a “sell-out” to brainless lem-
    mings like you who don’t(or can’t;in your case,the latter may be true)read
    but follow every thieving scum-bag in a clerical collar who calls himself/herself “a black leader,” and rather than reason,emote thought-
    lessly.


  439. Oh,and WHO CARES about your dumb,drunken/stoner(they’d HAVE to be to tolerate your like),p-w’d boys think of me.They’d quake in their boots if they ever met me!!!!


  440. Stone the crows, two women in one skin, and with her face on inside out to boot.

    Fat, ugly, bitter and twisted, deluded and self-pitying too, what a wining combo that is for some desperate sap.

    In her case beauty would indeed be in the “eye of the beer holder”

    As for her ‘experiences’ with men, what does she do, stomp on their feet so the poor buggers can’t run away?


  441. I personally think that Hispanic men are the most beautiful. I love their dark hair and eyes, caramel-colored skin, and compact bodies. Some of the Mexicans look like they’ve got Aztec or Mayan heritage and they have the most *amazing* faces. Asian guys and Native Americans can be pretty hot too, but the Hispanics really do it for me. Being a Euro-white with pale skin and blue eyes, maybe I’m just a person who prefers someone who looks different than me. I can kind of see where the white female author is coming from, though I would stop short of disparaging white men. Yah, there are some clunkers, but the same is true of any race/ethnicity.


  442. Nice posts until I stumbled upon the part by BlackCowboy. LMAO. what a victim of some backwards Clarence Thomas “ABC Story.” When will the madness of the Tiger Woods Complex end? You are not sir, an upwardly mobile intellectual man, you may think that you are-but clearly you are not. Either that, or you just lack what we call Current Events. Those current events include but are not limited to the fact that African American women, yes women, make up an overwhelming majority of African Americans entering college and finishing college. And also make up almost 75% of AA who obtain graduate degrees. With that being said AA women also practice endogamy at much higher rates that an subracial group in the United States. AND, Mr. Karl Malone (because that’s the only ignorant Blk cowboy I know)Blk women have mucch higher upward mobility that Black men by any statistical standard-that sir, is a FACT.

    So, your suggestion that being upwardly mobile is why you are choosing white women, or rejecting Black women is fluff. You are choosing white women, probably because it is far easier in your societal structure to be with a white woman. No one’s hating on that-at least I am not. Society really does exalt white beauty and femininity and aesthitical appeal. But to think for one second that you are REJECTING Black women because they are just INNATELY ugly or unattractive to you, is natural bullshit. It’s not innate. You just have really believed all the bs that you have been fed. you have taken your small box of experience and transferred that to 20 million African American women, as if you have met even .1% of them. It truly is hysterical that you find it necessary to defend your rejection of Black women by placing blame on them. That is really sad. Sure, there is group think amongst lots of groups-for example, you, Tiger Woods, Clarence Thomas, etc. It has nothing to do with your educational attainment level or those of Blk women-because if you knew ANYTHING at all you would know that Black women have higher educational levels and economic growth in the last 10 years than Black men and set to outpace their white female counterparts. Michelle Obama is not the ONLY educated Black woman-there are college black student unions FULL of them. They don’t have “attiitudes” and they are not looking for “thugs” nor are they “over religious”…..they are however, not blonde, and don’t aspire to be.

    You have a problem with stereotypical Black women. And guess what-so do most Black women. You are perpetuating the same nasty stereotype of Black women as the rappers on BET. Sad. Just like only 30% of Blacks are poor, and most people think that they are poor….I would venture to say the same ratio split exists for “ghetto/ugly/weave haired/baby mamas” and “educated/fin. stable/independent/successful Black women”-probably 30/70 split.

    So-if you love white women-fine. But don’t bash Black women as if you won’t have a daughter one day.


  443. About 80% of black women are overweight.

    LMAO.

    What a lie. You must live in the South. Come to the East coast. The truth is 4 out of 5 black women are overweight. AND 4 out of 5 WHITE WOMEN are overweight.


  444. Well said, white man.


  445. on August 14, 2009 at 10:42 pm Anonymous for now

    The girl on the right in vid IS hot. I totally thought they were standing in Pottery Barn until the started handling the “toys”.


  446. You’re not dealing with a full stack of cards in your pathetic analysis. Black women are preferred all over the world. In fact, when Africa was first explored, the explorers sent back messages of how beautiful and attractive the Africans were, but the Africans saw the Europeans as ugly cretins.

    You’ll be hard pressed to find a pure black African anywhere in the Americas with Brazil being a very big exception (extremely large African population). The Spaniard and the Portuguese, unlike the homosexual Anglo-Saxon brethren, absolutely adore black women.

    Even the French couldn’t keep their hands off of Black women. New Orleans perhaps the most miscegenated area in the United States. White Anglo-Saxons prefer women who look like men because they are a bunch of homosexuals.


  447. I was always the type of black woman who never had any problem with black men dating white women because I’ve always had my fair share of romance. I’ve had beautiful black men in my life, so I had no reason to feel insecure or any less beautiful than any woman of any race.

    However, recently I’ve started to go through some feelings about interracial dating……..Not because I’m against interracial dating………But because it’s now being used as a media tool to degrade, hurt, and make black women feel less desirable.

    Theses blogs have become an excellent vehicle for both cowardly racist white females(many are pretending to be males)nonetheless, white males as well, to spread their hateful propaganda.

    Yet, if in fact, wealthy black men only want women who are non-black women…….I say,” So what!”……Black women ask yourself, “Do you really want to date or marry the likes of an OJ Simpson?”

    What I’m saying is “everything that shines is not gold.” We don’t know what these women go through to get these men and we don’t what they go through to keep them…….But we do know what it means to have deal with Black Man Schit. ……In a minute, it will be the non-black females job to deal with…..The public did not know how crazy OJ was until Nicole was dead.

    Also, the divorce rate has not gone down because black males are marrying white females……So what’s so special about it? We are giving this too much power. In a few years, a few them are going to feel really played. Look at Steve McNair’s girlfriend as an example. Black men are the players of players. As for the author of the blog, she better close attention to her bank account.

    ~From A Beautiful Proud Black Woman~


  448. on August 21, 2009 at 12:35 am African in Asia

    I’m an African black male and in addition to my natural game, I am a PUA. The dynamic is not to be messed with. I’ve been living and working in East Asia for three years and having already had Indian, white, black and mixed-raced girlfriends back home, the novelty of scoring foreign poon was not a factor at all when I first got here. The first woman I scored was a Chinese girl from mainland China and she could not equal her African/Indian predecessors in any department. I’m currently drilling a Chinese workmate and she has the softest skin and most amazing poon but I can’t put up with her – she actually doesn’t like black people. Go figure.

    Since then, I’ve had my way with poon from Australian, Irish, Scottish, Malaysian, Botswana, South Korea … enough to convene my own General Assembly of the UN. The only constant in all this is that if a woman wants to fuck you, your race/what the world projects you to be won’t matter. Yet for all the poon I’m ploughing in, there’s no way I’d date a non-black woman long-term. Nothing replaces the common identity you share with somebody of your own race so in truth, I only fuck women of a different race for the shits and giggles – they offer me nothing by way of status or anything else and I’m sure it’s the same for white men.

    As for Asian guys and Game, there’s a reason the model-type Asian girls end up with foreigners.


  449. Sir, I have seen so many fat, unatttractive, young white women it would make you cry. Yes, thank goodness Asian and black men will take their skunk asses.
    Yes, you are probably right people have a tendency to go with their own race. It’s more comfortable.

    Also, I do not know who you “hangout” with; but, there are white men who prefer black women. Remember Halle Berry is part white and Beyounce is light enough to past your ww standards test.

    And, I would like to see a picture of you? Who are you to judge any woman? You are a loser.


  450. CyndiAnn is not a bw; but, a ww pretending.


  451. @ J in DC…before Tiger’s mom bleach her skin she did look like a brown skin bw. The last time I saw her she looked just like a ww.


  452. I believe Tiger’s mom is part African and that is one of the reason’s he look less Asian.


  453. @AAM…everyone knows most Asian women do not give a dam about Asiana men. These women are smart enough to look out for themselves and their bi=racial children. Good for them.


  454. All this talk about ugliness in women and who’s got game and so on…I sometimes think you guys are missing the boat…getting a few details right but missing what it’s all about. Dissing that older fat white lady or dissing black “ghetto” women…it all just sounds really nasty. Calling women cows and on and on…women too are sometimes equally as cruel and opinionated…but whether it’s a man or a woman expressing so much hate it’s always a sign of putting others down as a way to pump oneself on up. You have to ask yourself: why do I have this need to feel like I’m better? Is it because I feel like I’m less?

    When I was younger people said I looked “like Michelle Pfeifer but with a black woman’s round ass”- even today I’m told I am “attractive” because I fit some stupid ass media norm of what’s supposed to be attractive but I find it all somehow really nauseating and disgusting the way some of you guys view and rate women (not that women are saints either; we can be equally superficial and offensive). But your obsession with “scoring” is making you miss the mark on what really draws the average woman. (It’s not your fancy car or your “alpha game.”) I think Robin Thicke said it best: kindness is what is sexy – that’s true in either sex.

    And on beauty: there are many very dark black women who are exquisitely feminine and beautiful – all this stuff about they have to be like Halle Berry or mixed and so on is subjective. I personally find an Angela Basset (and many others) more beautiful than a Halle Berry (on the outside anyway since I don’t know the inside.) Others would disagree.

    This is my point: Like whatever you like but realize it’s subjective; it’s not some final scientific truth much as you would like it to be. Why so much hate? In some countries fat is considered truly beautiful and prestigious, a sign of wealth and health. Four or five narrow American standards of beauty are only about one percent of all the beauty in this world, both physical and spiritual. You guys are bankrupting yourselves by hating. I’m not telling you who to get it up for: I’m just saying: just because you like one thing you don’t have to go hating on another. Why you gotta put one type of woman down to put up another? Why pit one race against another? The lady who wrote that article did this a little too by dissing on white men. We can just say what our preferences are-we don’t have to go into a long spiel about how everybody else is ugly and disgusting. The only real ugliness is in the people who see ugliness. All these nasty things said about women or fat guys or whatever remind me of all the nasty stuff said about “the Neeeegro” by white supremacists. The need to put other people down is a sign of deep insecurity and fear and it leads to all manner of violence and sickness. So guys, think about that the next time you call a woman “a fat old white cow” or “an ugly black ghetto bitch.” The hot babe you want to bang just might be standing right around the corner hearing you and thinking: what a pathetic dick.

    Men who obsessively rate women hate women. And hate is a sign of weakness. There’s nothing alpha about it.


  455. genevive langly

    When I was younger people said I looked “like Michelle Pfeifer but with a black woman’s round ass”-

    Except that you are a black female pretending to be a White woman on the internet.

    even today I’m told I am “attractive” because I fit some stupid ass media norm of what’s supposed to be attractive

    No you don’t.

    The need to put other people down is a sign of deep insecurity and fear and it leads to all manner of violence and sickness.

    Telling the truth about unattractive women will not necessarily lead to violence or sickness.

    Men who obsessively rate women hate women. And hate is a sign of weakness. There’s nothing alpha about it.

    The ability to confidently evaluate the world around you is a sign of strength. Having contempt for your inferiors is a sign of strength.

    The Alpha male is often distinguished from the non Alpha by his confident, contemptuous attitudes towards the mediocre people around him.


  456. I have read all the comments and think alot of what’s here is a whole load of BS! As an extremely gorgeous and highly educated black male (Engineer), I find some of the comments extremely offensive because they tend to portray stereotypes that are hundreds of years old.

    I dated loads of white women when I was younger… Not really because I found them more attractive than black women, but I found it alot easier to get them in the sack. Black women where I come from want more commitment and don’t jump in the sack until they are sure you are for real.

    I am in my early 30′s and no longer date white women and not because of race. The reason simply being that I feel more comfortable with a woman that’s the same colour as me and also shares the same culture as me. I also find them extremely attractive with curves in the places I expect to see them.


  457. Well,yes,but it seems O.K. for women to rate men by our wallets,NOT
    our personality.What a double standard,and you fat and fugly broads who believe you can guilt a handsome black lad such as myself into wanting you are wasting your time.


  458. TJ,you don’t like Karl Malone-whose abandoning of his children is odious to me and any right-thinking individual-Tiger Woods and
    Clarence Thomas,with whose radical-right-wing politics I virulently dis-
    agree-because they don’t espouse the “civil rights leaders’ ” well-worn
    victimization spiel,i.e.,they are INDIVIDUALS who think independently of
    the mantras currently ruling African-American thought.
    Also,I’m well aware that three-quarters of black collegians are females.
    Here’s the dirty big secret:Because historically,white men thought black men threatening as economic competitors and thus used “legal” and ter-
    roristic means to eliminate us from the job force


  459. As I was writing,black men were discriminated against and even lynched for attempting to compete with white men in the skilled-labour force,so
    many black parents,fearing for for their sons’ lives,generally did not edu-
    cate them beyond grade school,whence they became the South’s-and to an incerasing degree-the North’s manual labour,while sending their less-feared daughters,who often became nurses,teachers at African-American learning institutions,sometimes even store clerks,to college.This practice resulted in many black women’s belief in their innate superiority to black men,and,given that in today’s female-domina-
    ted schools,where boys are considered second-class citizens(including white male students),it isn’t surprising that black co-eds far out-number the dudes.


  460. on September 22, 2009 at 2:53 pm Stop Pretendin'

    I read many of the comments and have the following observations/comments:

    1. East Asians and Indians don’t have the game (yet), but we’re not as ‘pathetic’ as it seems. In high-school in the late 80s I had plenty of white, asian and indians chicks hitting on me. I looked ‘indian’ but had killer eyes and was a bit shy with a sly sense of humour. Even some of the hotter gals came after me- and I’m just 5’7, but hey girls just can’t reject the ‘young Ricky Ricardo-type look’ even with obvious Indian overtones. Same with other Indian and Oriental dudes I am sure.
    Some Indian guy from North India or Pakistan, also can’t be put in the same league as some darker guy from South India (e.g. Tamil).

    2. We ‘Asians’ don’t really like ‘sluts’. Maybe it’s because of the diseases, dislike of ‘girls who are passed around’, not big on abortion or cultural factors- I don’t think we will ever be as ‘slutty hungry’ as white guys. Just as white guys won’t ever be as ‘slutty hungry’ as black guys, no matter how long.
    - ‘Dat ain’t a bad thaing’

    3. The woman attacked in this article is CORRECT.

    Any white man who denies this is living a lie., the rich and poor like them, but so do many Middle-Class white girls.
    I just came back from 18 months in France and the number of white French girls who were dating black men was ridiculous. In Germany, the girls just adore big, Black men. Even Asian (in N. America) some girls are now dating only blacks. They are the new generation and love black men and no longer chase “GI Joe” as their moms did (even find them ‘geeky’)!! The black thug is indeed popular.
    For Indian women this is not the case because (i) Indian men got some colour; (ii) social structure; (iii) black skin is frowned upon in Indian culture; (iv) religious requirements, etc. Similar with Latinas.

    But any white man who thinks that white women- young and old, rich or poor- are not chasing Black Men (esp. big muscular guys) is fooling himself!!! Go to a club or hang out after a basketball game in college or high school and Enter the “Real World”! Heck my Indian buddy was a security guard in the biggest mall in dt Toronto (Eaton Centre) and couldn’t believe the number of times a “well-brought up” white ‘bitch” was caught in the stairwell sucking the D**K of a young black thug wannabe!!!

    4. Black women are the least popular women in the world. This is attributable to: (i) Dark Skin that is considered ‘dirty looking’ by many; (ii) Masculine features (e.g. large legs and arms); (iii) Hair- kinky or unusual to others; (iv) Poverty/Ghetto- associated with blacks worldwide; (v) Social factors (what would friends/family think); (vi) Media showing us ‘Mammies’ etc.
    Personally, I would date a black chick and pass by black guys just to piss some off. Hey, they date interracially but others can’t?

    Regardless, black women are completely at the bottom of the list no matter what anyone else says. I can see no way- outside of intermarraige and production of less ‘black looking females- that they can escape this. Sad but true!


  461. East Asians and Indians don’t have the game (yet), but we’re not as ‘pathetic’ as it seems.

    I just wish you guys would wear deodorant, since you think black women are the bottom of the totem pole, why is it your brethren were so quick to hit on black women like myself, without concern for Body Odor. Please inform them, black women in the states prefer men of any race who do not smell like hot ass. Even if we are bottom of the barrel, we enjoy hygiene.

    Girls also typically don’t like short men. A man who is 5’7 you cannot wear heels round him, not without feeling like you were the jolly green giant.

    Just as white guys won’t ever be as ’slutty hungry’ as black guys, no matter how long.

    Just because the people you are around troll the sewers for sex, doesn’t mean all black men do this. Hang out with educated people please.

    For Indian women this is not the case because (i) Indian men got some colour; (ii) social structure; (iii) black skin is frowned upon in Indian culture; (iv) religious requirements, etc. Similar with Latinas.

    Hispanic men are eager to date black women, just like indian men are, at least in my case. I am a black woman who has NEVER dated a black man. I have been approached primarily by white and hispanic men, and even some asian ones. Yes, even with my “dirty” black skin. Of the indian women I know, none of them date indian men. Maybe I live in a more culturally diverse environment, but likely not, I live in Texas.

    Black women are the least popular women in the world. This is attributable to: (i) Dark Skin that is considered ‘dirty looking’ by many; (ii) Masculine features (e.g. large legs and arms); (iii) Hair- kinky or unusual to others; (iv) Poverty/Ghetto- associated with blacks worldwide; (v) Social factors (what would friends/family think); (vi) Media showing us ‘Mammies’ etc.

    I could have been fooled, I get approached often, more so in foreign countries than I do in my own, and I am married to a white american man. I go to Europe, they chase women down the streets trying to approach them. I guess European men like “dirty” or “masculine” women. The 1st thing that attracted my husband to me was my legs. If black women are the least popular in the world, it is because of the racist stereotypes that people such as yourself embrace. In America race mixing between white men and black women have been going on since the slave trade. Sometimes it was rape, sometimes it was voluntary, even without the the laws, marriages between black women and white men existed.

    I escape nothing by dating or marrying a white man. My husband isn’t trying to dilute my race, but rather he was actually attracted to me, scary I know. Also contrary to popular belief, black people are not all poor and from the ghetto, and some of us are ::gasp:: educated. Imagine that.


  462. As I was writing,black men were discriminated against and even lynched for attempting to compete with white men in the skilled-labour force,so
    many black parents,fearing for for their sons’ lives,generally did not edu-
    cate them beyond grade school,whence they became the South’s-and to an incerasing degree-the North’s manual labour,while sending their less-feared daughters,who often became nurses,teachers at African-American learning institutions,sometimes even store clerks,to college.

    I call bullshit, my dad grew up black in the South during segregation, and has a Master’s degree. My mother as well. My grandmother was degreed, as well as her father. I guess we weren’t all scared to educate ourselves.


  463. I feel like this whole string of comments is bash black women, which is fine, but if you are insecure with yourself, don’t look down upon others.


  464. on September 22, 2009 at 6:10 pm Stop Pretendin'

    Siditty,

    I am just keepin’ it real.

    Overall, black women have it tough, just like us ‘shorter’ guys do. But we ‘shorter men’ (esp. if we are ‘handsome’ can get game and some of us can afford deodarant, remember baby I live in France, I know colognes that you have never heard of!
    But you are correct some- Indian men (off the boats) gotta learn about cologne and deodorant but they are mostly dark-skinned Hindu from the South that most of us Indians look down upon too.

    BTW, I am tired of Black Women- on other sites too- talking about how often they get ‘approached’ in other countries and cultures esp. Europe. In France, I lived in Paris, Blacks and Arabs were the most disrespected individuals and the French men (all well educated) I knew never approached ‘black women’ and complained about all the violence in America ‘because of blacks’. In the UK, many Brits find black women “Scary”. Europeans are much more racist than Americans and easily discriminate- go to a Casino or FranPrix store in Paris and see who works in security at the door- always a black guy- or in the back of a restaurant. I won’t even mention Greeks or Turks and whether they prefer or detest ‘blacks’ or ‘blondes’.

    Black men have choices in ‘dating’- as i have never denied- but they make terrible ones and tend often to go for sluts and ‘fatties’. They, often, go for the easiest thing they can get- this from the fat white girls with mulatto children that I’ve seen. I don’t do ‘sluts’ but too many ‘brothers’ do, deny it all you want!

    Indian men are eager to date black women. Really??? Maybe in the US- where the many white Americans are “9/11 Nazis” and discriminate against them- but not in any circle that I am aware of. Most marry Indian. My family members in California mostly marry Indian- some married Hispanic or Asian. Not too different culturally as one may think.
    I am in Toronto and Indian people here (esp. girls prefer their own). But I got two Chinese colleague trying to set me up with their nieces (i am open to it).

    As for black women, look at the stats my dear. 70% are Single and black men have left them for other women. I will inform my Indian men to either ‘get the game and deodorant’ or stop hitting on Black women. Something tells me their lack of confidence is behind that move. Us confident guys hit on Indians, Latinas, Asians and Whities!!!


  465. BTW, I am tired of Black Women- on other sites too- talking about how often they get ‘approached’ in other countries and cultures esp. Europe. In France, I lived in Paris, Blacks and Arabs were the most disrespected individuals and the French men (all well educated) I knew never approached ‘black women’ and complained about all the violence in America ‘because of blacks’.

    My first boyfriend in college was from the UK, my 2nd from Ireland, my 3rd from Italy. I’ve been to Europe four times, and I have been approached each and every time. In particular from French men, who are impressed I speak their language. So maybe you need to quit hanging with trash. I don’t date just anyone. I’ve been to London, Paris, Prague, Ireland, Belgium, I’m not one who isn’t familiar with European culture. But I do realize most Europeans don’t like Americans. I don’t date the uneducated, my parents didn’t approve of such things. I married a man from Texas who is also degreed and comes from a wealthy family. So maybe again you should find a better quality person to hang out with.

    If those people are concerned with the violence because of the blacks, something is amiss. In Texas, everyone has a gun, and there are way more white people than black people in Texas.

    I am just keepin’ it real.

    You aren’t keeping it real, you’re generalizing. Hispanic folks dont’ like indians, and I don’t see a bunch of Korean women drooling over Desi men. I don’t see Desi women drooling over Desi men, and I know quite a few.

    But you are correct some- Indian men (off the boats) gotta learn about cologne and deodorant but they are mostly dark-skinned Hindu from the South that most of us Indians look down upon too.

    It’s good to know you’re racist in regards to those who look like you.

    As for black women, look at the stats my dear. 70% are Single and black men have left them for other women.

    Please don’t forget that 62% of black men are single. I find it odd I managed to marry anyone at all, much less a white man considering I’m so low class. Just because you live and embrace an outdated caste system, doesn’t mean the rest of the world basks in whiteness. Quit projecting your insecurities.


  466. @siddity- that guy is trolling for attention. Ignore him. He and those like him find it irritating that blk women go on enjoying their(our) lives while they sit around stewing in their own self pity.


  467. for willard libby

    I loved your response to my post because it totally amused me. It unveiled some of the hidden assumptions we all have including those of my own. The fact that you think I am a black woman amuses me and actually flatters me in a strange, unexplainable way. I am as white as they come. (French, Scottish, English ancestry). The fact that I showed appreciation for the beauty of black women makes you assume I am a black women pretending to be white because you possibly assume that all white women are either in competition with black women or think black women, especially dark black women are ugly, which I don’t. (I have always admired black women as a whole even though I realize you can meet nasty people of every race and of both sexes. But this is a topic of another post. Let me get back to yours.)

    You really seem to know all about me in your post, stating everything as though it is fact; I’m sure the truth would really surprise you and open up your mind. Listen, I have my prejudices too so I’m not putting you down for your beliefs – I just don’t agree with them. Some I actually KNOW to be incorrect – for example your belief that I am black. You see, everybody today is so nasty on the internet about all this that you couldn’t imagine anyone saying anything nice about another ethnic group, especially of one’s own sex. Some of you guys seem to think there’s just not enough to go around and that we all have to be in competition over some limited resource. (How many billions live on earth?)

    You also seem to be assuming a black woman would lack so much confidence that she would pretend to be white on this post. Wrong again; I’m white. Most black women I know are incredibly straight forward and don’t pretend shit – you know, the ones that your buddy calls “ugly ghetto” loud mouths. The truth is corny: there are nasty and sweet people; in fact there are nasty and sweet moments in everyone, black white male female yellow brown or whatever. Some stereo types have elements of truth – that’s why comedians can make us laugh, but there’s always a deeper truth beneath the stereo type and that has to do with the individual. You pride yourself on being honest. Well honesty is a good thing, but honesty without tact or kindness is not a virtue in my book. Others disagree. But if we women told you stuff like “you have a crooked, ugly dick or you suck in bed, we’re just being honest” you wouldn’t like it, but if we said, babe, could you do this or that you wouldn’t mind so much – well its the same for women. Have your preferances. I have preferences; I tend to be drawn to dark, middle eastern men and some black men, but I don’t go around telling white men they have skin that looks like newborn hamsters or that they are nerdy and wimpy or other stereo typical things. Every once in a while there’s a white guy I really am attracted to, but even if there wasn’t, I don’t feel any need to keep hammering them with reasons why they are not attractive. To other women they are probably considered the cutest things that walk the face of this earth.

    I have lived all over the world, and ideas about beauty are different all over the world. Americans of every color tend to think our standards of beauty are the only ones. I lived briefly in West Africa and they used to tease me because I was thin and not robust. They used to say “Tu n’as pas d’ chance ici.” [You don't have a chance here.] Because big was considered beautiful. I still got hit on constantly anyway, probably because they saw American women, especially white women as loose (or as semi-’free love’ whores) which we sort of were compared to the women in much of Asia and Africa at that time. In America, Taiwan, and parts of Europe I was considered “classically pretty,” a younger, little “Liv Ulman”. But in West Africa and other parts of Asia I was considered a thin white ghost with only a butt. I think this proves my point that concepts of beauty change from place to place, and none of us really get to play God on what’s beautiful.

    This whole concept of the alpha male seems to be some kind of cherished religion. Judging fom my own, non scientific, personal experience I often found that the men who talked the least about their alpha prowess were the ones that lasted the longest in the sack and were the ones most sought after by women of every color. Perhaps there are exceptions to this, but in general, this has been my experience. The bigger the talk the smaller the pleasure.

    I hope I’m wrong on this cause I’ve met some really charming guys who claim they are “really gonna’ put it on me.”

    I’m sometimes very naive, and like to believe all kinds of things…but in the end, action speaks louder than words.


  468. Go wash you fuckin smelly pussy you white hore!Which black men are you talking about?It not because a black loser licked your stinky arsehole that you can disrespect black women.Can you explain why white women are t he only women in the world who can fuck any male specie?I am a black man and I dont fancy white women at all.I have ficked white women just for fun and I couldnt see anything special with them.If anything,they got wider pussies and smell fresh fish.The most financially succesful black men in the world are married to black women and the most powerful man in the world is married to a black woman.So keep your fucked “african americans” crack dealers for you.


  469. Democracy citizens base popularity on indiviuals erect penis sizes. Democ dick hierarchy for womens orgasms below. Can u make em squirt?

    Top of dick hierarchy for copulation popularity

    Black dicks – Avg 8″ erect – Copulation supremists – Most popular 2 copulate

    White dicks – Avg 6″ erect – Copulation medium – Average popularity to copulate

    Asian dicks – Avg 4″ erect – Copulation small -Least popular to copulate

    *North american natives on bottom of hierarchy for copulation popularity also.

    Bottom of dick hierarchy for copulation popularity

    The copulation supremacy race on the top of the dick hierarchy for copulation popularity has the most control over the females natural selection for casual sex in the playas n hoes game. This also means they have the most power to cockblock all races below them on the hierarchy for copulation popularity. The black panther copulation supremacy race is forcing democracy white boys to worship their endowments in white hoes as payback for slavery. Black dicks are dividing the white race by the size of their erect dicks in the 21st century sexual oppression white @#$%truggle by sexually slaving white hoes and charging white dicks money to @#$% their own white hoes. @#$% nigs cockblocking white dicks by chaining and pimping white hoes to their black dicks to cockblock white dicks till their spirits break down @#$%a from sexual frustration. The black panthers copulation supremacy building is cockblocking white dicks all over democracy in the playas n hoes game to sexually frustrate white dicks till they get sick from masturbating alone and cockblocked. White dicks masturbate alone and analzye their copulation with every stroke of the hand and know thats why they are being cockblocked from @#$% human baboon ape brain females in the playas n hoes game. White dicks are going psychopath jerking off alone analzying their copulation with every stroke till their spirits break down @#$%a like the sick. Black panthers copulation supremacy power made white dicks losers, alone and cockblocked in democ like @#$%es. @#$% gay pride day helter skelter parades full of sick white dicks that broke down @#$%a from sexual frustration. Wave the rainbow flag in defeat f@ggots. Get hardon set hand on top of dick and wrist to end of middle finger is all you working with @#$%! Yahoo quit censoring the word F@g @#$%s! White dicks go gimp!


  470. I’m MORE than a little annoyed that other people have been trying to tie me in as “Original Grace”, when it hasn’t been me. I’ve not chimed in for some months (busy ya’ll). So, any comments in the past couple of months (at least three) attributed to my name, have NOT been me. Although, if people have given enough weight to my opinions and ideas, I suppose, that’s a compliment… of sorts.
    ——- ORIGINAL Grace.


  471. As I’m rolling through some comments (yes it is late,) I can’t BELIVE others have co-opted previous comments to validate themselves!). As I said… not ME.
    - OG. (Is this my new tag?)
    P.S. Roissy, you’re of the rip-off variety these days, where is the book? =)


  472. [...] not feather) *don’t* have for their Indian brothers. Wassupwitdat, subcontinental ladies? I’ve written before that it’s likely the natural human preference, for all races of people, is to date, and particularly marry, within race. OKcupid is just one [...]


  473. How are you? Am babajide , i went through your profile and i found it interesting,nice&lovely, hope you finds your day well. i am interested in you, we have common pursuing on the special one, hope we would get acquainted with each other here, explore and try new things together…It really nice meeting you….Just wanna say hi and how has your day been.
    Regard


  474. My older sister Dina is white as can be and she has her belly full of black babies and I think its so hot, the lucky black man got the privlage to bust his nut in my hot sexy ass sister, I bet he bent her over doggy style and and shot his load deep in my sisters fertile belly


  475. wow a fat blob of shit that has resorted to the desperation of fucking niggers.


  476. Black women are the least popular women in the world. This is attributable to: (i) Dark Skin that is considered ‘dirty looking’ by many; (ii) Masculine features (e.g. large legs and arms); (iii) Hair- kinky or unusual to others; (iv) Poverty/Ghetto- associated with blacks worldwide; (v) Social factors (what would friends/family think); (vi) Media showing us ‘Mammies’ etc.

    This comment above is disturbing! I wonder what place in the world that you live! Please wake up to yourself!


  477. Brian, that comment was pretty much spot on. Almost everyone thinks along those lines and the anonimous nature of the internet allows these kinds of statements to come out.


  478. on November 4, 2009 at 10:40 am MisterDisguised

    As a good looking and masculine white guy i cannot complain about not getting what i want. I f**ed black, white , asian and latino women. I also noticed that an unusual big number of black females hit on me even if i cannot explain why.
    I agree with people that say black women are fat. Of course not all of them are fat but it’s like 80% of them ….. and mostly not just overweight…they are really fat. Of course there are also white women who are fat but the number is FAR under the black female’s. Besides that black women in a good shape are a big turn on for me and one could say that i have a bit of a fetish, though i do women of all races. The problem is that it’s hard to find a black chick that is not fat in real life (im not talking about MTV).
    I already got a lot of “hate stares” by black males seeing me with a black woman, so black guys: you dont like it either if white guys make up with “your” women. I think no man of any race likes guys of another race having “their” women. They just feel threatened somehow.

    -MisterDisguised


  479. on November 8, 2009 at 10:14 pm BulletproofDiva

    So this blog was written on January of this year and close to its anniversary it’s still alive. Just goes to show you that hate or love black people. We are the most discussed, obsessed over racial/ethnic group on earth, if not the planet, and it wouldn’t surprise me if extraterrestials were sitting around wondering what “makes black people tick?” A while back the white hosts of a classic rock radio morning show decided to make their call-in topic of the morning “Ask A Racial/Ethnic Group A Question That You’ve Always Wanted Answered.” Guess which group got the most questions? The hosts were almost annoyed that black people who are definitely not their target demo were fielding the most inquiries (of course they were ignorant, racist, prejudiced, sexist ones).


  480. BS

    Jews, Arabs and the beauty-intensive races (Southern and Eastern Europe) are much more discussed than blacks. People won´t discuss blacks, at least sincerely, because it inevitably reaches racist conclusions


  481. since any open discussion of blacks will reach racist conclusions, it is advised that all those who insist in engaging in such discussion should preemptively accuse someone else of racism


  482. on November 14, 2009 at 5:05 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Jews are “beauty-intensive”????

    Ummm I have never EVER seen a Jewish Woman who doesn’t look like….well a Jew….(New Jersey Big Hair, too many accessories, a pussified balding Jew-husband, and the WORST taste in clothing and makeup out of ANY women in the world.)

    If they are “beauty-intensive” they really missed the mark because Jew-Women are a shame to women everywhere. Loudmouthed, lazy, laying around the house, shopping all day, popping out babies, and somehow managing to wear the ONLY ugly clothes that a REALLY expensive designer comes out with…….Definitely NOT beauty-anything.

    But maybe I just live too close to New Jersey and the Jersey-Jews are ruining it for Jews everywhere.


  483. on November 14, 2009 at 5:34 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Ugh, I am soooo sick of this “which women are better” shit.

    Same as everything else, people want whatever they cannot have. Black Men couldn’t have White Women, so now they date them even if they’re the “bottom of the barrel”.

    White Men like Asians because they think of movies like “Memoirs of a Geisha” and retarded stereotypes that Asian girls are submissive and are still binding their feet and falling at their Emperor’s feet. (Asian women must be laughing their asses off in their heads being the tiny powerhouses they are)

    White Women like whomever appears to be “strongest and manliest” and BEFORE that was White Men by default (because they had the most privilege and therefore status)…..

    Now they’re dating Black Men because they look JUST as “manly and strong” as White Men and are no longer “second-class” in terms of status and power…..(so basically White Girls have more options of ‘whom you have to marry to retain your white girlish status’)

    Black Women like Black Men for the same reason that White Women do….they’re pretty much the same as White Guys in terms of “rugged handsomeness” and now also “status and opportunity” but with less “entitlement” complexes.

    White Men are and always will be the most sexually sadistic, controlling, abusive people on earth. White People commit the MOST work-related crimes, the most “child molestation” and “child pornography” related crimes, and most “rape of a child” “indecent abuse of a cadaver” and “abuse of an animal” related sex-crimes. (Although Black Men do still commit the most general “rape” and violent assaults……they are not prone to it being children like White People are.)

    The most famous Pedophiles, Molesters, Serial Killers, and Mass-Murderers are all White Men, whether we like to admit it or not. That’s pretty bad considering they were the “privileged” group exclusively for so long.

    It comes down to women in general are turning to ANYONE BUT the White Man for those exact reasons.

    (And before anyone says it AGAIN….I don’t date anyone other than White Men and am extremely satisfied with my Whiteness.)


  484. on November 14, 2009 at 5:41 pm Wendy Schwartz

    I jokingly said to my sister the other day:

    “Notice how shows like Criminal Minds and CSI somehow manage to find the ONLY attractive Black Guys on Earth who are clearly NOT ghetto but still have to say ‘boo’ or ‘baby’ once in awhile for good measure?”

    Black Men (like the one on Criminal Minds) have the complete ability to be just a charming, handsome, and stylish as White Men, but for some reason they insist on STILL dressing ghetto, wearing bling, and speaking ebonics which COMPLETELY ruins it for ANY woman who is NOT a big, fat, coal-burning, white-trash embarrassment.

    Seriously, Black Guys if you’d realize that the “ghetto” thing makes you go from like an “8″ right down to a “2″ you’d have ALL the hottest White Girls without any competition. That’s the ONLY reason that I still only date White Guys.

    If dude from that tv show walked up to me, I’d go to the other side faster than you’d ever believe and completely abandon all my “preferences” for White Men and/or German Men.


  485. if only the interracial women would divest themselves of the benefits of living in societies created by the white man all would be well with the world…but of course we have trash like the woman preceding my commentary who equates white and black men and considers then interchangeable…go live in senegal and report back if your’e so convinced white men have no inherent genetic advantage


  486. It is more a cultural issue than a racial issue. This may offend some, but the black culture is generally considered the lesser culture, and it’s easier to adopt a lesser culture than to adopt a higher culture. Men are less likely to give up their culture than are women, as a whole, hence we see more black men with white women than we do white men with black women. Among interracial couples between blacks and whites, usually, the white participant talks ‘black’, especially here in the south.
    A comment was made earlier that it was the days of slavery that caused physical development among black people. This is not true, as the process of significant evolution takes much longer than 200 years to take place. The african culture has always since recorded history been based more on physical survival than industrial and more advanced living standards, which has caused their traits to evolve as they have. A comment was also made that ‘why didn’t the stronger slaves overpower the whites’, but intelligence will always be the controlling factor over strength, otherwise the much larger animals from the animal kingdom would subdue us and have dominion, but we know this is not the case.


  487. Concerning circumcision, it has historically been a religious practice, but God in all his wisdom wanted his people to be a cleaner people, and circumcised men have far less bacterial growth on the penis which likes to form beneath the foreskin on non-circumsised men, so God had a logical reason for the instition. I am circumcised and glad to be for health reasons. Some say there is desesitization that happens, but some desensitization can be good in delaying ejaculation and providing more satisfaction for the female partner.


  488. Lot of comments here, but possibly looking too hard at this subject though. As for myself and some of the other ‘brothers’ that I associate with, I can attest to many accurate points in Roissy’s post. The main thing why Black men prefer white women is that they tend to be more docile, nicer, and they tend to treat their men better, for the most part. This is the common theme I hear among black men who IR date and marry.

    Roissy is probably right on in terms of the physical attributes men look for being what the females in their race usually have. White men tend to like smaller women, Black men have no issue with women who are a little larger. While I have seen quite a few black men with whales as their SO’s, I only rarely see a white man with the same, and I have also heard from more than a few BBW whom a white man wouldn’t even look at twice that they still recieve attention from black men.

    While Roissy put a scientific face on the reason why Black Women prefer Black men, long term, he also touched upon the anger and bitterness they feel when being spurned by same. Make no mistake, it does indeed anger Black women when they see anyone, especially a white woman, with a black man. The most common lament; the ‘best’ black men, the ones with ambition, are usually the ones who have ‘Jungle Fever’, leaving the leftovers for Black Women to pour over.

    I have yet to meet a Black Man with a white wife/gf who hasn’t at least heard some negative comments about his choice of mate, as if they are owed something by this random man.


  489. ‘Why didn’t the stronger slaves overpower the whites but intelligence will always be the controlling factor over strength’ In all cases of slavery (yes, slavery existed and still does exist throughout the entire world), the ‘stronger’ has always been the slaveholder. A sense of fear is installed in slaves, whether they be based on race, class, or sex (look up the United States Mann Act on the interstate trafficking of mainly WHITE female slaves). With all abuse, the weaker of the two is usually beaten (literally or figuratively) into submission.

    But back to the topic at hand…

    I believe the problem comes from culture. Now, I hate the argument that the hip-hop and rap community has destroyed African-American culture in this country, but to some extent it is true. I work in a high school in a predominantly Black school. The Black boys in that school who are idolized are those who perpetuate the “ghetto” stereotype. You see almost none of these students in the honor classes, despite the efforts of the administration to change this. Pipeline to college programs, mentor programs, more pre-college support than I ever received, and still only a 1/3 of Black men entering college graduated. The Black boys in the honor classes, the overall politer, more considerate college-bound boys, are those who are being ignored by their female classmates. Black women want swagga, but then complain when those successful men, who were ignored in high school, have turned around and ignore them now.

    One of my students told me he wanted a white girl. When asked why he responded with, “They don’t cuss as much.” What he meant was they have softer personas.

    I am a white women who has dated more black men than white men. And before you go into a physical attack on me, I will explain myself. I am a bigger women, no doubt. Am I a fat and disgusting pig? No. I am curvy and thick. Can I find white men to date? Yes, I can. Am I one of those “fat, ugly white girls who sleep with anything that shows me attention”? Definitely not. I have always preferred the company of other races over my own when it comes to friendships, so why would that be any different in relationships?

    This whole article and the following comments all walked the line between tendencies and full on racism. People are attracted to who they are attracted to, love who they love. If you look at the tensions among races in this country, the preoccupation with the differences is causing it. One of my Black students said it best, about me and him, “We have the same last name, we’re related.”


  490. To the poster above. Of course you can find white guys to date, tons of white guys are starving for attention. But I’m willing to bet that the white guys that are showing you attention have very little inclination on keeping you around. If given a woman marginally better looking they would flee in a heartbeat. The black guys on the other hand have every reason to keep you around as your white skin gives them a supposed mark of status, and that is much more important than a little fat. This is why black guys date chunky white chicks. Everybody know that. Black guys would probably rather date the snowbunny types that wear Ugg boots but they can’t get ‘em. So they toss Ms. Plumper into their Walmart carts.

    White females tend to have more empathic personalities, this probably what gives them the impression of being softer. But they read into people more and respond as such – which is why white girls can come across as so icy when they’re not interested. Empathy means that not only do you understand what another person is feeling, but you send signals that you are invested in their emotions as well. It is a two-way signal that white girls seem to have a knack for establishing.

    Very attractive white chicks glow with this power. The essence is so strong that modern media has picked up on candidates who radiate this empathic presence. Throughout years of broadcast saturation media conglomerates have competed to refine this empathic vision for their own need to attract customers. So they have spent years mining for the prettiest white girls and advertised their essence across the country. This is why when most people are asked to think of a “white girl” we think of someone who is not merely female but a datable hot chick with a songbird voice. The essences range from incredibly sexually refined to sexually caring and giving, but ultimately every male and female has this predisposition that a white girl is someone of potential splendor. The other races do not have this bizarre attribute – although “hispanic girl” radiates a half-form of this impression. But in the end this impression is often just a baseline to a fantasy. White chicks come in a huge range, young and old, flat faced to rat faced and often can’t match the empathic power of the celebrity queens people think of.

    Much racial hostility is based on this fantasy concept that the white female generates. Minority men are affected like others by the idea of the “white girl”, and come in direct competition with others who desire her. This is the knee jerk response white guys have towards minority men entering the scene, they know that the white female will stimulate the same sumptuous emotions in the minority male and compel him to flash advertisements.

    This also leads minority men into choosing some grotesque white females in order to satiate the lust for the siren call, often with humorous results. This is also the element of the deepest fear of white guys, that society will unravel and the social preconceptions that convince comely white girls not to marry black guys – females keep the intermarriage rate low in actuality – will vanish. Then the perfected aura of the white beauty will be drowned in the seed of brownness. But this is in fact all based on the desire to maintain that fantasy aura that the current stock of white female radiates. This is not a flimsy reason however, men want from society the best sexual experiences possible, and this makes the white female’s aura of tantamount desire and thus the achievement of male pride.

    This element is borne from thousands of years of living in an industrial-type civilization, where women had to develop a way to attract a man quickly if their husband died lest their children go without food. Remember hundreds of years ago Europeans where living according to the seasons and under honor code based societies. Without a male to harvest wood and trap game the children would die, but conversely this would be a boon for the single men looking for a female, so white girls over time probably developed this empathic frame of mind in order to dupe single men into providing for both her and her first children. Unlike black females who seem to have an on and off switch for sex, or Asian females who pursue abstract pop culture preferences in their men the white female studies the emotions of others as a way to gain insight into those who are capable providers and responds in kind with flowery behavior. All races have elements of this feminine ploy, but white women have got it in spades.

    Both black and white women can be hard, fragile etc. but the white female has a margin of reason in her demeanor.

    As for the hip-hop culture argument proposed as why they fail just remember that men gravitate towards the areas that will offer them the best chance of sexual success. Black girls are notorious for receiving males at a young age. So there’s little incentive to be studious and frankly wimpy. Many blacks don’t see themselves as having cooperative capital, they’re too busy displaying for the girls who fling themselves from boy to boy. Imagine going to a school where you knew that half the girls there were strippers in their spare time, and that’s where the incentive to study and demonstrate yourself as a passive follower for the older parent-types goes out the window. Now add the sexual peaks of white girls in the media and it serves to totally convince the average black guy to invest everything in sex. Who cares about acting conservative when magazines tell you that there’s a tiny chance that a princess white chick will like you just for your flash? This fantasy drives all of these urban males into hard luck lives pumping out rap music that bellows their misery, egos and constant cravings, which younger generations pick up on and a cycle is born.

    In predominantly Caucasian schools most of the girls cling to one or two guys leaving thousands without a sweetheart, this is in spite of all the fancy dress a guy might have. The males and tame females have little choice but to buck up, take tests and pray that they can make money at an older age to finally have sex with the hottie that rejected them in their youth. Most of the males, especially the males with lithe or chubby bodies, are told that they have to act submissive for the approval of an administration, parent, or employer. But often they find that the message is a trick that simply keeps them from disrupting the older alphas. This strategy also comes with its own soup of personalized drawbacks. For one thing the males build resentment for the females who made them wait and put them in the shadow of some stud who does nothing for others. It also builds resentment for the females who did not abandon the books to focus on their looks and provide their genitals for the starving males. Also the males get older building capitial and resent the attractive females sullying themselves up with STDs and bastard kids to the point where the trophy sex comes with many infuriating compromises.

    I have to admit many a Hollywood blockbuster has been sold on the best of both worlds of this idea: that of living like an aggressive violent ask-questions-later toughie who gets push button access to women of white girl caliber.


  491. This whole post (and subsequent comments) just serves to remind me how hopelessly fragile the male ego is, and how insecure you get. A white woman fucking a black guy? Well let’s all us white guys put her down and simultaneously put down black men, then run around beating our chests.

    I still love men to death…you guys are so easy!


  492. Plenty of pseudo psychology and relativism to dovetail with the feel good conformist mantras (white lies) of the pluralist mainstream.

    But can anyone refute roissy’s points with proper data?


  493. Grendel you’re a dumbass. Roissy hasn’t even provided proper data for his pseudo science. Glad I skimmed through all of this bull shit though. It’s a good reminder that white people are just as stupid as everyone else.


  494. I still can’t get over how pathetic most of the guys sound here, “No she is MY white girl! back off!” *drools*, I hope this is an american thing because i have never seen this endless fascination over ‘white girls’, especially blonde white girls (don’t drool now) .
    Only in America do they put “BLONDE girl missing”, you have to add the blonde because that’s what catches most white peoples attention because you know, blondes are so important and *drool*…forgot what i was gonna say.
    Seriously, no one gives a shit, no one I know sees white skin as some sort of drool factors, get over yourselves please and i am a black girl that lives in Sweden – white skin = not exotic to me.
    And over here people could care less about “white” and “blonde” and “blue eyed”
    and i have had no problem getting guys either and quality ones as well (w00t?!).
    This whole american thing and obssesing over whiteness and blondes is embarrassing and i’m not even white but take it from an outsider looking in – it’s not a good look. And honestly, people don’t even see americans, “white” americans as white….i mean we all know how mixed blacks in america are so it has to go both ways. Whites in america probably have alot of black in them as welll…

    now i know you like to say that “nooo it’s native american CHEROKEE, why is always cherokee?” and it’s such bull because we know how your ancestors shot all native american like dogs, yet you now claim them? and the worst part is probably the native americans who embrace whites and their “claims” to be one of them, it’s like how sick are people!? you can have a black person with one native american parent and a white person with (claimed) 25% native american and the stupid indians are much more likely to embrace the white person – sick isn’t it?
    the white person is more likely to have black in him than any cherokee that’s for sure.

    anyways, i just wanted to say you look pathetic arguing over white girls, it makes you look patheitc and sad.


  495. Cora seems to be very emotional about this. Maybe she feels as if her market value is affected by the opinions expressed here.

    Her market value might also be affected by the fact that black people in Sweden commit far more crime per thousand than do white people in Sweden.

    My mention of this statistic will probably piss her off even more.


  496. on December 28, 2009 at 4:56 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    They commit more crime than white people in every country.


  497. Instigator

    Her market value might also be affected by the fact that black people in Sweden commit far more crime per thousand than do white people in Sweden.

    Holy Shit: I didn’t realize
    Elin schlepped
    her two lil’ winning Lotto tickets
    back to Home Sweet Home


  498. lol i had to come back her to see what people would write and ofcourse it’s the usual lame replies.
    yes i am so emotional, you really thought that one through didn’t you – what will piss a woman off,especially a black one! hmm….call her on her emotions since women are known to be emotional creatures, yes!
    what else? *rubs hands* oh lets call her on black people and crime – gee how original!
    I could care less about that since there aren’t many black people around here to begin with,genius.
    It’s funny it’s the most mixed up country in the world that has the most racists in it – only in america.
    You probably wouldn’t believe me if i told you i have had no racists or problems because of my “race” here quit the opposit actually :)
    You americans…ehm, you “white” americans must feel really insecure since it’s always the white people who don’t feel white enough that turn racists, oh and always the blue collar ones as well lol

    It’s also funny how you always turn on blackwomen first, black men are too much…they can fight back and aren’t as easy of victims as black women so you degrade the easy target first , gotcha it makes you look even more pathetic (no woman likes a man to degrade women regardless of their skin colour,atleast not the classy ones) but seriously it must piss you off then to know how much wanted, i , as a “lowly black woman” , is in this country and in most european countries that i have been to.

    educated,beautiful,traveled all over the world with an equally beautiful nordic ,white tall blue eyed blonde (we know how much u love those) man, yes we are engaged to be married and we will have babies one day…aww it must hurt so bad for you :) don’t worry go get your WT “white” american gal ;) lol


  499. cora It’s also funny how you always turn on blackwomen first, black men are too much…they can fight back and aren’t as easy of victims as black women so you degrade the easy target first , gotcha it makes you look even more pathetic

    girl, get out of my head.


  500. Cora

    It’s also funny how you always turn on blackwomen first, black men are too much…they can fight back and aren’t as easy of victims as black women so you degrade the easy target first

    Yes. In the USA, whitey gotta be careful of the “OJ Rule” – where the black man gets a twofer, and white man gets life for calling a jiggaboo a darkey.


  501. or a darkey a ‘jiggaboo”

    I’m buggin’
    They all look
    alike to
    me


  502. chic noirbuttox,

    New Year’s Eve is coming up. It shall be your privilege and goal to perform the following on the evening of December 31. You will have to start preparing today.

    11:00 PM : Make me a dry Martini, shaken, not stirred.

    11:59:59 PM :…..

    ……(as the crystal ball drops on Time’s Square)…..

    Detox my Buttox.


  503. Even Cora seems to prefer white men.


  504. on December 28, 2009 at 8:35 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””educated,beautiful,traveled all over the world with an equally beautiful nordic ,white tall blue eyed blonde (we know how much u love those) man, yes we are engaged to be married and we will have babies one day…aww it must hurt so bad for you don’t worry go get your WT “white” american gal lol””””””

    Ok this was the last straw do any black people get with other black people lol wtf

    Or are you just trying to hurt the black man for getting with white woman once they achieve some success?


  505. on December 28, 2009 at 8:36 pm gunslingergregi

    From chic the woman who pleades and begs to leave any black man alone if in an arguament like she thinks they can’t handle themselves. lol too funny.


  506. The trolling on this post has reached truly epic proportions. Good to know where I can come for a good laugh anytime I’m bored.

    My dos centavos: It is true that you are much more likely to see a brotha with his stuff together with a beat white chick than you are to see white guy with his stuff together with a beat black chick. The beatness factor generally increases for white guys when they venture into dating asian and latin chicks. You wouldn’t believe some of the water buffalo I’ve seen guys slaying down in Rosarito. However, these guys dating substandard chicks of other races are beta anyway. They can’t get the high status chicks from their own racial group.

    Keep in mind that that an alpha of any race isn’t going to be dating a beast regardless of her ethnicity. Sure there’s the occasional dumpster dive when the testicular pressure builds, but no man is ever going to settle when he’s got much hotter chicks than his SO checking him out wherever he goes. You find a guy of any race that gets lots of hot chicks within his own ethnicity, and I’ll bet you that he bangs hot chicks of all races. You find me a woman that can get commitment out of the highest status men of her own ethnicity, and I’ll bet you that she has guys of all different races practically chewing off their own arms to get her in bed. Hot is hot is hot, be it from looks, status, or game.

    Also, black men who “absolutely won’t date black chicks”, and black chicks that “absolutely won’t date black men” pretty much always have issues. If you ever hear those words come out of someone’s mouth, do yourself a favor and don’t stick around to find out what’s wrong with them.


  507. this topic has turned into a freak show. it attracts newbies like almost no other topic, and those are always the freakiest of the freaks.


  508. not trying to hurt anyone, believe it or not: it’s for love :)
    I could care less what anyone thinks and are you that surprised that most people who write her are in an IRR when the topic is “black men, white women” ? lol
    And to “instigator” – I live in the whitest country in the world, what did you expect?

    Also when you say “do any black people get with other black people” yes,they do lol. and? so? White people always make it seems as we “black bytches or black coons” forced the poor white man/woman to be with us lol, it goes both ways and everytime it has been the man who pursued me, no one held a gun to their head and said “date me!”


  509. I’ve been a black male for 28 years, I’ve always dated white, black, etc women. Success raises the quality of all your women(by proximity more than anything else).

    Plenty of curvy Asians out there, hordes of them.

    I think all the stuff about “being mentally scarred from slavery” and similar is loony bin status. Same with white men ashamed of being attracted to black women, etc. Those are personal issues. They would have issues of one sort or another, these are just very convenient.

    There aren’t enough black men in America to go around to all those black-guy loving white chicks. Keep that in mind when you think about interracial relationships.

    America is not even CLOSE to being the most racist country. I’ve seen way worse. most American racists are hypocrites anyway, concealing their secret fetish. All those guys who get off on black guys banging their white wives seem to be racist in front of closed doors.

    Kinky.


  510. Sh0t

    I’ve been a black male for 28 years.

    There aren’t enough black men in America to go around to all those black-guy loving white chicks.

    When Obama done set free all the unjustly convicted blacks from prison, then there’ll be plenty.

    btw, congrats on that 28-year run on being black.


  511. I’m a black British girl who white guys want , but can’t have. They assume that because i am attractive and well educated that i will be attracted to them. I love my beautiful Black man and our beautiful Black children. White guys don’t do it for me.


  512. on December 29, 2009 at 6:24 pm Wendy Schwartz

    When Obama done set free all the unjustly convicted blacks from prison, then there’ll be plenty.

    Ohhhh, silly Obama is about as ‘Black’ as I am. It’s not being Black that’s his problem…..it’s having the intellect of a 5th Grader.

    btw, congrats on that 28-year run on being black.

    Pfffft….that’s nothin. I’ve been White for 29 years now! What did I win? Oh, that’s right….White People aren’t allowed to get prizes….we are supposed to be ashamed for being White. That’s like being ashamed of being incredibly handsome or rich.


  513. @jay

    thank fuck


  514. How are new people even finding this thread? Please stop before Obsidian decides to come back.


  515. Just remember when you see BW with WM, it doesn’t mean she she wants every WM out there so it’s not YOU they want you white trash fat fvcks ,stop flattering yourselves already


  516. I’ve been a black male for 28 years

    Michael Jackson did change many things. Nobody would ever use “have been” towards race before him.


  517. too much stupid stuff in this thread to cover completely:

    But off the top of my head i can think of a few reasons why people react badly to BM/WW relations.

    A: The majority of white men aren’t attracted to black women, thus they are less than understanding when they hear of white women who have slept with black men rather than white men, kind of a “whats wrong with this woman” thought.

    B: People are taking the black sexual prowess stereotype too far, you’d think that every white man is exactly the same in bed with exactly the same size penis. HELLO im perfectly aware that any of the WHITE guys my gf previous slept with could have a bigger dick or be better in bed than me, but that doesn’t bother me. Sexual insecurity or jealousy isn’t solely inspired by or restricted by race. It’s terribly arrogant of you blacks to accuse white men of being insecure as the sole reason for racism. I think you should take a look at yourselves and the many justification your race generates for racism everyday.

    C: As long as black men continue to have at least 5x the STD, crime and unemployment rate of whites. The women who sleep with them will continue to be viewed with some shame.

    Sorry for continueing a dead thread.


  518. I don’t get why people care so much? seriously mind your own fuckin business already.
    I have never cared about what strangers do even less who they choose to date, why worry about others private life you nosy cunts?
    A white woman will be viewed as less because she chooses to date or even marry a black man? are you fucking kidding me? what year is this? are you that fucking miserable that you have to concern yourself with a woman/man you don’t know? my god…


  519. “what year is this?”

    2010. Get over it. Why can’t all anti-racists go to an island and live by themselves?


  520. why can’t you mind your own fucking business you pathetic cunt. The thing i don’t like about racists is that they care so much about other fucking people who have nothing to do with them – do you atleast get THAT part?
    You can hate but my fucking god atleast have some self respect by not being so obnoxiously nosy it makes you look pathetic
    here’s a question for ya – why can’t racists mind their own fucking business? is life that empty?


  521. sol doesn’t not liking racists as you put it make you racist.

    Deep thoughts.

    On that note mout


  522. @sol:

    “are you that fucking miserable that you have to concern yourself with a woman/man you don’t know? my god…”

    Every day we concern ourselves with men/women we don’t know. Politicians that are making decisions that can affect our lives, celebrities, etc.

    I mean, really, unless you live on a cave, there’s no way you’re going to avoid interacting with strangers.


  523. “do you atleast get THAT part?”

    If it concerns members of my tribe, how does it not concern me? There are two stereotypes which are going to get a lot more lip during the new decade: 1. white betas dating asian women 2. white women dating black men. So you better bite the bullet dude.

    speaking of NOSY… to be quite frank. There’s been so many government programs and public policies to fuck with us I don’t even know where to start. You anti-racists couldn’t cut the white man some slack for one fucking minute during the decades you’ve been in power.

    Enjoy your meal while it lasts.


  524. members of your tribe? swedes and nordic europeans are not members of your tribe. Do you know that most of them don’t even consider your pathetic ass white?
    With so much inter mixing and breeding between you guys in america there is no way any of you are fully white.
    Now canadians are a different story…they are considered white since they don’t have the same history of slavery and mixing as you americans do.

    Also there is a difference with concerning yourself with public people such as celebs and politicans but private people? that’s where i draw the line.

    Also the beta line is lame coming from you guys who are quick to attack women (specifically women of colour) rather then be men and attack men.
    the fastest growing IRR couple is between white men and black women as you should of seen coming since 70% of them are single and can’t find suitable partners within their own race.


  525. sol – you fool…….

    I AM SWEDISH AND I LIVE IN SWEDEN. My father is a genealogist. I can trace my lineage back to the 15th century. I am 100% pure pedigree.

    How dare you speak for us?! What a fucking liar you are.

    There is no substance to your claim that most Swedes consider American whites non-whites. Are you completely out of your mind?

    I’d now like to take a moment to hold up “sol” as a LIVING PROOF of how ignorant and unintelligent anti-racists are.

    There is some validity in that there has been some intermixing in US whites: http://racialreality.110mb.com/americans.html

    Though, it’s ridiculous to say, as you say, that US whites are not white. Was Elvis Presley not white? lol. This is the sort of lying spewage that could only could come from a committed anti-racist.

    Also, there are so white americans that do not have any admixture at all. I have many blood-relatives on my mother’s side who migrated to America in the early 20th century. So when I say “my tribe” that is PARTICULARLY TRUE.

    Go home and assemble your iq points in a row. You’ve got some soulsearching to do.


  526. You are swedish? okej då kan jag ta det här på svenska då din outbildade idiot.
    De flesta amerikaner är och har ättlingar och förfäder som var svarta, det är mer troligt än att de har indian blod i sig.

    Obviously you are not the person i am talking about since i am specifically speaking of AMERICANS , you are not american – you are swedish so this does not apply to you you fucking idiot.

    I am talking about americans who live in AMERICA who have ancestors from AMERICA not swedes who immigrated to america in the early 20th century.
    I am laughing out loud literally at you mentioning Elvis as he is probably the best example lol, he has known black blood in him you idiot, do your research before you spew examples.
    I don’t give a fuck who your father is i have a granfather who was a geneologist as well – so fucking what!?

    Yes there are some (in the minority) who do not have any black mixing in their lineage but they are few.
    You are naive since we know black americans have white , something like 25% in them then ofcourse the same goes for whites


  527. Interesting forum !!! ran across it while pursuing my Asian fixation . most of the posts were very informative / intelligent and meaningful in some way except for that low life muh dikkk ………..I believe was his handle. That jerk off is the reason that the black man is distained in the eyes of many people including blacks . read his sensless non factual bullshit about penis size and comparisons. where does he get his facts ……….. from the data of the black panthers and thugsrus ? I am white, I am hung , I am a good man , I am handsome and I do not like being catagorized by a dumb black nitwit !


  528. jeez… Va fan gör du här? Är du beta-hanarnas konung?

    1. Please back up your BS with references.

    “In European Americans from State College [in Washington D.C.], the west African and native American genetic contributions are low (0.7% and 3.2%, respectively).”
    (Shriver et al. 2003)

    2. There have been nothing up til your last post that mentioned your hatred only extends to Americans. What’s your problem with Americans?

    3. Please realize this: A white person doesn’t automatically become non-white because he has non-white racial admixture. This is clearly one of your biggest logical flaws.

    4. “Yes there are some (in the minority) who do not have any black mixing in their lineage but they are few.” Back this up with reference.

    5. “You are naive since we know black americans have white , something like 25% in them then ofcourse the same goes for whites”

    No, it doesn’t. If group A has X percent of admixture from group B we cannot say anything about percent of admixture in group B from group A. It might be 0% or 50%. It doesn’t tell us anything.

    Varför är du så dum i huvudet?


  529. There are some really crazy people on this site. I really don’t understand why people insist that white men don’t like black woman as i am constantly being approached by white men who like me because i am attractive and highly educated. I don’t find white men remotely attractive and would be ashamed to bring one home, my parents would have disowned me if i had ever brought home a white man. My younger brother is currently dating a white girl and he said that the main reason he is dating her is because she is docile and easy. My parents are doing everything in their power to stop their relationship, because my father believes that we should all stick to our own people. I am Black British and feel that many of you on this site both black and white have issues.
    I thank god for Obama and his beautiful, educated BLACK wife. As a black woman, i feel proud to walk down the street with my black man and he with me. I pray that all my children will marry within their own race.


  530. jay – pardon my french but no one gives a shit.
    UK is the most mixed up country in the world the irr over there take up over 50% and that is BM who are with WW so maybe you should tell your brother that sticking with your own race isn’t just a one way street.
    FYI – things aren’t looking so good for BW over there with so many young and old BM deciding to “date out” so maybe you should think about that while you wait for your “black prince” to come.

    Personally i think it’s fine for both black men AND black women to date outside of their race but don’t do it because it’s a fetish or some shit like that do it for LOVE. The case with BM and WW seem to be based on lust more than love but i could be wrong.


  531. “I thank god for Obama and his beautiful, educated BLACK wife. As a black woman, i feel proud to walk down the street with my black man and he with me. I pray that all my children will marry within their own race.”

    Obama is half white and if BW want to thrive and one day get married they better open their minds and hearts to men of other races because men like obama are far and few. Good luck on getting that educated,successsful,charming,black woman loving – black man though, you’ll need it!


  532. “I pray that all my children will marry within their own race.”

    Amen.


  533. ” Please realize this: A white person doesn’t automatically become non-white because he has non-white racial admixture. This is clearly one of your biggest logical flaws.”

    Really!? That’s not what stormfront or the klan would say! even one drop of something other than white would automatically make you non white according to racists.

    Please, i don’t have to dig up any old statistic from the 70′s or back anything up with anything! it’s common sense.
    If on average all black people in america have 25% white ancestry then clearly so must white americans to a certain extent.
    What I am trying to tell you is that i think the majority of americans have black ancestry as well as european and only in the minority can a white american only find ancestry from europe.

    I don’t have a problem with Americans except for the racists who claim they are as “pure” as a swede or german when that is not true.
    I have a problem with the term “all american” as that usually means “blonde hair,blue eyes” and that is not all american that is all swede or nordic european lol.
    Stop trying to make america seem like it’s original native people are blonde and blue eyed


  534. @sol:

    “Yes there are some (in the minority) who do not have any black mixing in their lineage but they are few.
    You are naive since we know black americans have white , something like 25% in them then ofcourse the same goes for whites.”

    Actually, lots of White Americans aren’t part black.

    And the ones that ARE part black or native american register themselves as black/native american to increase their changes to get better jobs, better etc. It only benefits you to do it.

    Most White Americans are just that…White Americans. Especially the ones that were up north all this time. Slavery wasn’t some widespread thing that took up the whole country since the 1600′s. If you did your research, you’d see there was this thing called the CIVIL WAR. North v. South. Yeah?

    Also, saying that Blacks have 25% of White in them says nothing about how much Black whites can have in them. It just says that Blacks have 25% of White in them.


  535. @sol:

    Also, you can’t forget how a lot of “races” according to America aren’t even “races.”

    Take Hispanic, for example. There are White Hispanics, Black Hispanics, mestizo Hispanics, etc.

    So for all you know, someone might be “mixed” but just have a White Spanish mother and a White father of European descent.

    Someone might not be mixed, but have a Mexican mestizo father and a Puerto Rican mulatto mother.

    Just saying.

    And Latinos often refer to Americans as tall blond people with blue eyes, because that’s what a lot of them look like. Seriously.


  536. A quick search revealed that stormfront is vague and defensive on the topic: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=579650

    A better indicator is perhaps the recent race laws of apartheid SA. Personally I think that a person that looks white and considers himself white also is white.

    Yes, YOU DO NEED to dig up statistics when proposing extreme claims such as that a majority of americans have black admixture. It can’t be that hard, can it?

    Yes, of course there is some black admixture into the white genepool in America but that’s not what you said. You said not only that 25% white blood in US blacks equal 25% black blood in US whites (lol) but that a majority of US citizens have black ancestry.

    Look, if you think that white Americans are so miscegenated go find some proof and post it and stop whining about racism like all you other guilt-infested self-righteous rich kids.


  537. “And Latinos often refer to Americans as tall blond people with blue eyes, because that’s what a lot of them look like. Seriously.”

    LOL, sorry but that is too funny. Are you serious? The majority of “white” americans have brown hair and brown eyes that is why in America you find people who are obsessed with blondes and women dy their hair blonde the most in America than anywhere else.
    And I wouldn’t take to heart what any hispanic person says since they are the most racist self hating people in the world, forget about black americans and self hate, forget about racist whites – Go to Mexico and you will applaud your ancestors for doing a great job at “divide and conquer”.
    Just look at Telemundo or whatever the fuck they call it and you think you’re in sweden lol
    Take me for instance, i don’t obsess over blonde hair and blue eyes because it’s something i see everyday around me and when i look in the mirror – it’s not a big deal that’s why i choose to explore and date different women of colour without having to worry about lack of stereotypical white people.
    And i don’t neccessarily look at a spanish person and think they are “white” because for me, white is having ALL your ancestors come from a nordic european country or anglo saxian country (germanic country)(like England) For me being with a spanish girl is just as much interracial as being with a black girl.
    Now I am not saying that white people should all have blonde hair and blue eyes to be considered white but if you have one mexican parent and one white parent, you’re not white to me.

    And yes Americans have too much mixing in their lineage that i can’t consider them really white. They might look white but when you know their history it’s quit obvious what is going on…


  538. Sol,if you read my post you will see that i have already got my black prince. I don’t believe in IR dating and neither does my family.As for Obama being half white i am aware of that , but he sees himself as a black man and has married a wonderful black woman . I really don’t believe that a black man who dates IR can truly be comfortable with this. I do find that black woman who date IR are more comfortable with themselves and their colour. I personally don’t respect black men who date white women, not because i am some jealous, uneducated ghetto chick who can’t get a black man, but because i feel that as black people we often settle for less.


  539. @ sol

    “Take me for instance, i don’t obsess over blonde hair and blue eyes because it’s something i see everyday around me and when i look in the mirror – it’s not a big deal that’s why i choose to explore and date different women of colour without having to worry about lack of stereotypical white people.”

    You come here with all your biases and bogus information just to justify yourself and your lifestyle? Next time you see youserlf in that mirror, take a really really DEEP look.


  540. Very informative post, thanks for your good blog…


  541. As a young white woman (and not a fat and ugly one, silly), I find this post so tragically pathetic. You sound so damn insecure, I pity any
    woman who ends up with you. Intimidated by black men much?


  542. on January 2, 2010 at 11:35 pm gunslingergregi

    Naa black men intimidated by white men. Went to all black club for new years and they wouldn’t let us in. They said ya had to be 25 to get in. The chick with us was 24 so yea right. They had all gone to that club before and were never even carded so obviously it was because I was white they where to weak to just come out and say it. Then we go to eatin park after in what used to be a almost all white area and it was like being out on the sarengetti. Had black dudes puffing up on each other threatening to fight in the resteraunt. No one threw a punch though so I guess not quit like the ghetto yet. Same dudes that were blustering up at the predominatly white club we were at. They let the niggers in there just no whites allowed in the nigger club awww. Rasicm alive and well coming from the black side. Thanksgiving I had to punk some nigger thief/hitman whatever. He tried to disrespect and I put a shoulder in his chest and backed off to see if he wanted to throw. Of course he didn’t it was one on one. Niggers only know how to fight when they got 3 friends for backup. No nigger has ever fought me one on one period. I could piss on a nigger by himself and he would just take that shit.


  543. on January 3, 2010 at 2:55 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    @ So lame

    You might enjoy this blog, which I assume will not make you feel insecure, or cast dispersions on the author.

    http://chinabounder.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&max-results=6


  544. This is about the stupidest commentary I have ever read. Yet it drew me in so I guess sometimes I can’t resist the stupid. I have dated a black guy for the past 2 years. I don’t want to date just black men. I have no preference racewise. I just like attractive men. I find it fascinating that some people look at the race of a person and not the person themselves. I have a friend that tells me black women will hate me because I am dating a black man (especially because I am very attractive). So items like this have started catching my attention. Most of all I just want to state my opinion that the author of this commentary (or whatever it is) sounds really jealous and bitter of the woman he was attacking (and yes she is fugly).


  545. So Lame: “Intimidated by black men much?”

    LOL! Not hardly. Here we see the nastiness of your sort, insulting your own kind. Very telling. Or, should I say, former kind? But let us not trifle with such matters, for I have another point to make.

    Here’s a hint: observing your skanky behavior does not mean that others are insecure. Either an observation is correct or it is not…but I suppose that wouldn’t make a lot of sense to a trained circus seal.

    Further, you’ll be pleased to know that, far from being intimidated, most of us are quite pleased that you are removing yourselves from our gene pool. I must say that I feel a little sorry for the blacks that will end up with your skanky, screwy genes. But from our perspective? Good riddance to bad rubbish. Go Darwin!!

    In other words, don’t go away mad, just go away. Oh, and talk about an apt moniker. So Lame. Credit where it is due.

    Stacey: “I find it fascinating that some people look at the race of a person and not the person themselves.”

    Hmm. I find it fascinating that an ostensible human being can be programmed so as to spout nothing but childish platitudes and propaganda aimed at the level of an eight year old. Will wonders never cease?

    Plenty of fascination all around, eh?


  546. “I don’t want to date just black men.”

    aha please do. Im sure no one else wants you now.


  547. stacey posted

    “i dont want to date just black men”

    please do. You’re best bet is marrying this guy you are currently with if hes that nice. Realistically who the fuck else gonna want you?


  548. on January 5, 2010 at 9:57 am Dr. Grzlickson

    “(especially because I am very attractive)”

    Need pic, you don’t decide that.


  549. “LOL, sorry but that is too funny. Are you serious? The majority of “white” americans have brown hair and brown eyes that is why in America you find people who are obsessed with blondes and women dy their hair blonde the most in America than anywhere else.”
    A lot of adult brunette Americans were blonde when they were younger, that’s why they dye their hair blonde in adulthood.

    “And I wouldn’t take to heart what any hispanic person says since they are the most racist self hating people in the world,”
    ad hominem and generalization.

    ” forget about black americans and self hate, forget about racist whites – Go to Mexico and you will applaud your ancestors for doing a great job at “divide and conquer”.”
    Mexico? Really? You think all Hispanics are Mexicans? You’re an ignorant fuck, did you know that?
    You can’t speak for one ethnicity, because all of us come from different countries and all have different looks and cultures. That’s like me saying that all you Europeans are the same, based on your post. You’re not. Europe is filled with different cultures and ethnicities. Not to mention the fact that (at least I’d like to think) that most Europeans aren’t as stupid as you are.

    “Take me for instance, i don’t obsess over blonde hair and blue eyes because it’s something i see everyday around me and when i look in the mirror – it’s not a big deal that’s why i choose to explore and date different women of colour without having to worry about lack of stereotypical white people.”
    Stereotypical white people? Wowww.
    Btw, I have a Swedish grandmother. Brown hair, brown eyes, 5’6″. The rest of her family is the same, with dark hair/dark eyes. But of course, you all look the same.

    “And i don’t neccessarily look at a spanish person and think they are “white” because for me, white is having ALL your ancestors come from a nordic european country or anglo saxian country (germanic country)(like England) For me being with a spanish girl is just as much interracial as being with a black girl.”
    Descendants of Southern Europeans are Caucasian. OMG your post just keeps getting dumber. This would be funny, but it’s actually just sad.

    “Now I am not saying that white people should all have blonde hair and blue eyes to be considered white but if you have one mexican parent and one white parent, you’re not white to me.”
    Again with the Mexicans.

    “And yes Americans have too much mixing in their lineage that i can’t consider them really white. They might look white but when you know their history it’s quit obvious what is going on…”

    So this crazy Swede’s been rambling like a moron all this time, and after being proven wrong, decides to REDEFINE CAUCASIAN.

    In short, Americans aren’t White, because, get this, they aren’t Swedish!

    Astounding!

    I’m blown away by this sudden burst of intelligence!


  550. Stacey, blacks have MUCH higher rates of AIDS and violence, as well as much lower IQ’s, compared to whites. There are very good reasons that women should be wary of black men; and even if your particular man does not possess these issues, his genetic material does.

    Marry the black guy; good white men will not want you now.


  551. Stacey, black women don’t hate you or even care if you are with a black man unless she is an uneducated hood rat.
    Most of us educated black women have long realized we don’t want black men because in order for us to have a black man we would have to lower our standards when it comes to education and careers.
    If you venture out more and go to places where you’ll often find the well off and educated people, you’ll see most of us are in IRR not because white men are a second choice for us but because we have more in common.
    Often you’ll find the white men with racist views are blue collars and not wordly or well traveled and their opinions don’t really matter to us who know better and realisticly a racist white man and I would never cross paths because as i said, they are not usually in my surroundings.

    Hope this helped you see a bit more clearly.


  552. My father has a master’s in theology, my mom was a nurse, I am in college at the moment. My family is educated upper middle class (uncle is an English teacher, aunt a special ed teacher, uncle that is an engineer, another aunt that is an art major). I have plenty of white guys wanting to date me at the moment. Only white uneducated trash would say a white guy would never date me now.


  553. Neither side is going to win this.

    Neither side would have the courage to say most of what has been typed in this thread to the other in real life.

    Neither side has given any evidence beyond ad hominem and personal anecdotes.

    To those intelligent enough to realize that at best this is a pitiful distraction and at worst, a damning expose on both the Liberal and Right-Wing factions of the internet, let me propose a solution to this almost year long problem —

    Lets agree to disagree and MOVE ON!


  554. on January 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm Cannon's Canon

    in the interest of burying the hatchet, i am willing to martyr myself for peace by banging a black chick


  555. Good idea, Canon!

    In hopes that we can all just get along, I will also sacrifice myself by banging a fine black woman.


  556. “I am Black British and feel that many of you on this site both black and white have issues.”

    “I thank god for Obama and his beautiful, educated BLACK wife.”

    Many of us may have issues, but unlike you, they surely aren’t with eyesight or basic aesthetics.


  557. Stacey: “Only white uneducated trash would say a white guy would never date me now.”

    I beg to differ.


  558. I find it particularly amusing how the white ska*ks on this thread (So Lame and Stacey) just love calling other whites “trash,” or claim that white men are “intimidated” by blacks. All the while, of course, lamenting the use of stereotypes!! LOL!

    One might as well reason with a circus seal. At least the circus seal won’t have as many STD’s.

    Enjoy the herpes, “ladies.” And rest assured, I’m using that term quite loosely. Do us the favor of not spreading it around amongst the white population.


  559. women seem to think that men have no criteria other than looks for choosing a partner and should be greatful of any attention and partner they can find. A man must be insecure to reject a woman on any other basis. Newflash- everyman can judge a woman on whatever criteria he wants and thats what women hate. Just like she can choose not to date him because of class, looks, status, wealth, height, dominance etc a man can choose not to date a woman for whatever he wants. And they’re isn’t any better reason than poor character and poor survivall skills.

    Africans are the least successful people on earth. Even the relative success they can have in the western world is on a platform built by whites. The welfare system, music industry, Pro sports? That shit is only highly profitable because theres enough wealth in the western world(created by whites) for people to sit around watching fucking basketball/nfl etc. White and asian electrical engineers have done more for pro sports and the music industry than black people.
    I believe black people have no place owning or carrying guns as those inventions could never have come out of africa. Believe me my prejudice does not only extend to black people, it extends to stupid people, violent people, unproductive people, dieased people. Black people seem to exemplify all these things in abundance however.

    Stacey, if you believe you have found an exception as im sure they do exist, then marry him ASAP. If you bare in mind that when you open your legs to someone you are accepting their child and 9 months-18 years of servitude. Modern birthcontrol irrelevant, to a man you have made that choice with sex, irrespective of actual conception.

    Bottomline.
    Poor character, poor survival skills and downright stupidity are not positive qualities in a woman, however much she would rather not take responsibility for her actions.

    would probably bang you tho stacey, 2 condoms tho still.


  560. also i would like to say i have the utmost respect for any white woman committed and MARRIED to a black man(or anyman for that matter) who is hardworking and is faithful to and provides for his family.

    Newsflash Stacey, you are in college. Everyone wants to fuck you now black or white. Your man will probably be long gone in a year or two, and deep down you know that, So you must defend yourself and convince yourself a white man will want you afterwards.

    This however does not make it true.


  561. G.G. ,the reason we classically handsome black lads don’t give fat,fugly,b***hy broads like you a second look(or the FIRST if we can a-
    viod it)is because a life-size Brad doll and a buxom blonde make a GREAT-LOOKING COUPLE!!!!


  562. Stacey

    My father has a master’s in theology… Only white uneducated trash would say a white guy would never date me now.

    Think how pious you’d be
    if he only got his
    Ph. D.


  563. on January 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea al my aunts uncles parents have masters degrees. I don’t think that is upper middle class. he he he


  564. We’re just lucky her preacherman father
    from DaMarcus Streetfront Baptist Resurrection Church

    didn’t have just a dinky bachelor’s degree,
    or he’d be calling white folks
    dumb muthafucking cracka trash,
    instead of just plain ole’

    jes sayin’


  565. BlackCowboy – first of all thank you for the laugh, second, I’ll have you know i’m not fat nor ugly so there goes that theory. I know it irks you that a successful beautiful young black woman as myself CHOOSES to date non black men, i know this because your kind (uneducated,ghetto,foul mouth) usually always have something to say about it.
    You think when you shout nasty thinks at my direction when i am out with my white bf that it will make me feel bad, you think when you shout things like “sistah come home, you don’t HAVE to be with him, we’ll give you a chance” that i will turn around and say “yes, you’re right, thank you ever so much for your attention”.
    Look, I am not attracted to black men for several reasons. One being I simply aren’t attracted to you. Deal with it.
    Black women don’t shout these things when you are out with your “beautiful bomb shell blonde” now do they? Because honey we don’t care. We know the shit she will most likely deal with and i feel sorry for HER because i know she can do better.

    I am unapologetic about the men i choose to date and don’t make up lame excuses for it like black men in irr “i don’t like black womens attitude that’s why i am with a white woman”.
    I am with my white boyfriend because i love him not because i have a sick fetish for white skin.
    BlackCowbay as long as you don’t go after me i am fine with whoever you choose to be with. In some ways, i thank god more and more black men are starting to date white women because that means LESS black men for me to deal with! I just wish these same black men would mind their own business when i am out with my bf. I and other black women DO NOT BELONG TO YOU. you pay your attention on your white gf and stop looking at us and our non black partners, thank you!


  566. Black/White, Italian, Jewish, Spanish, French, Welsh, English, Japanese, Venezuelan, Irish, Scottish, Egyptian, Russian, Dutch, German, etc., etc., and on and on; if you live in America (as I do) the people around you are descendents of many different nationalities. “Why can’t we all just get along?” It’s just not easy for some people to see the individual without adding someone else’s baggage to it. The responses I’ve gotten have afforded me some amusement but I won’t be wasting any more time responding to them. This is it. Ciao.


  567. “Stacey, blacks have MUCH higher rates of AIDS and violence, as well as much lower IQ’s, compared to whites. ”

    Stacey, I’m still waiting for your refutation of these damning claims I made. You claim to be very smart; let’s see what you got. Or are you admitting this is true, and by extension, your poor judgment?

    Yeah, white guys still want to fuck you. You’re in college at the peak of your attractiveness. They’ve lost respect for you as a long term mate though, because you decided to fuck monkeys.

    “Only white uneducated trash would say a white guy would never date me now.”

    LOL, white women who date black men are what the true educated white people laugh at and point at behind their backs. You are the *definition* of white trash in our eyes. I’m a law student in NYC. I am higher status than you and will remain so, regardless of your family background. You do come from a good family, and this is not a good thing for you – it means you have no excuse in the world to be such trash.


  568. Sorry, that should be Jack, not Jeff above.


  569. …just one last thing for Ryder….I don’t have any diseases and have been with only 2 men in my entire life. I don’t screw anybody that I am not in a longterm monogamous relationship with. I have high standards and trust me I know plenty of white men with herpes (and they got it from white women who had been with white men). By the way…wearing a condom doesn’t protect you from getting herpes….so you probably have herpes and don’t even know it yet. Let us know when you break out so we can all laugh at you!


  570. Read the first line (which means at the moment) and then read the third and fourth line.

    Genital herpes infection also is more common among African Americans (45.9%) than among White Caucasian (17.6%).

    Since the late 1970s, the number of Americans with genital herpes infection has increased 30%.

    The largest increase of genital herpes is among young White teenagers.

    Genital herpes infection is now five times more common in 12- to 19-year-old White adolescents.

    Genital herpes is twice as common among young adults ages 20 to 29 than it was 20 years ago.


  571. what do those stats prove exactly stacey? you could also argue interracial relations have greatly increased in those same 30 years and thus that is the cause. im not saying that is the case but your statistics are inconclusive and really prove no point at all. Anyways Herpes is a big fat joke compared to more serious STDs like AIDS, gonnorhea and syphilis which are all even more prevalant among blacks as compared to whites.


  572. I LOVE this thread =)


  573. Well
    now, This whole article seems racist by nature. And racism stems from
    fear and ignorance, which usually leads to hatred. Black women set the
    standards of beauty. Look in history: The Madonna in ancient european
    statues is Black, as are the original Hebrews;
    African women were raped long before they entered slave ships, and long
    after they got to the new world. Keep in mind: If blacks were
    considered animals, then why diddn’t the owners fuck cows, dogs, or
    pigs? Simple, they used excuses. Black women were then and now more
    desirable;
    Black women were long ridiculed for thier big lips and plump asses, and
    yet look at all these white women getting silicone lip injections, ass
    implants, using body shapers to get the AVERAGE black woman shape.
    Laying out in the sun to get that TAN. I have had many women of various
    nationalities say that I was lucky because I am black, and have a
    smooth chocolate skin tone. Imagine that!
    Look at the Entertainment field in the last 15 years: Serena Williams,
    Vivica Fox, Nia Long, Tatyana Ali, Queen Latifah, Brandy, Monica,
    Keyshia Cole, Holly Robinson Peete, Keisha Knight Pulliam, Kenya Brown,
    Olivia Brown… need I go on? Notice all theese women are dark skinned?
    I could go on with people like Rosie Perez, Jennifer Lopez, and before
    you say they are Hispanic, Puerto Rico’s Indiginous people were 95%
    wiped out, and replaced with African Slaves, and europeans (mostly
    spaniards).Or Beyonce, Alicia Keyes, Halle Berry, Lisa Bonet, Mariah
    Carey, The Kardashian sisters, and before you say anything, Armenians
    descended from Northern Africa, on and on.
    The thing is that White Europeans want to push thier standards of
    beauty on others as a method of control, and when that woman is no
    longer up to thier standards, they’re cast out like an Xmas tree on Jan
    2nd. Most “Pretty” white women are usually aged 14-28, afterwards, most
    are cast aside (Leeza Gibbons, Suzanne Somers, Cindy Crawford, Bo
    Derrick, Farrah Fawcett (R.I.P), Heather Thomas, Heather Locklear,
    Vanna White, Cheryl Teages, Helen Hunt, Brooke Shields), and soon
    Alyssia Milano, Erin Murphy and others will join that list.
    Most white guys that I work with want teenagers, or even pre- teens,
    that is if they could get them, and would make no beefs about it,
    whereas most Black guys want mature women (usually 16 and older).
    Remember, around the world, 16 yeard old is a full grown woman. Most
    Black men are raised with more respect for thier women, we brought that
    from Africa.
    I almost forgot…ALL PEOPLE DESCEND FROM AFRICA! All the world’s
    anthropologists, and scientists mutually agree that for the first 5
    million years of history, people were Black. Only when an ice shield
    from the last ice age seperated some native Africans from thier homes,
    and forced them into european caves for 50000 years creating cro-
    mangon and the neanderthol man did we change. Climate and terrain
    forced both physical, and psycological changes.
    Bottom line is …..You like who you like.


  574. I love how this thread has caught fire! Roissy, you are truly a gifted writer.


  575. on January 6, 2010 at 10:34 pm Cannon's Canon

    this mac character is correct

    black women are more desirable than cows, dogs, and pigs


  576. I don’t trip. Ignorant people will be ignorant. I love women. Plain and simple. Oh, and if you take only one line of my passage and make a stupid comment, then you are as you show you are… a fool and an idiot. I feel sorry for your mama.


  577. jeldi jeldi what racist people write such articles, this man has no life, family or ambitions or he would not spend hours mentally bashing women of colour. What kind of man does this?


  578. this mac character is correct

    black women are more desirable than cows, dogs, and pigs

    shit

    Cannon made the comment I was going to post


  579. “ALL PEOPLE DESCEND FROM AFRICA! All the world’s
    anthropologists, and scientists mutually agree that for the first 5
    million years of history, people were Black”

    what are you on about humans haven’t even been around for 5 million years, if you go back that far you will find that those apes are most likely fair skinned due to large amounts of fur to protect from the sun rather than skin pigments.

    Sure europeans share a common ancester with africans, as do all humans share a common ancester with chimps. As does pretty much all life share a common ancester with eachother. If you believe all life originated from water then you could argue not even africans are really african and that everything pretty much origionates from the same single point on earth. No more of this europeans are african shit, its pure ignorance and retoric.

    Now heres some simplified evolutionary science for you:

    Go back far to that common ancester europeans share with africans. Now imagine he/she has 4 or so children, one of them is mild mannered, intelligent and hard working. This is where asians and white people come from. And the other 3 are stupid callous assholes. This is where black people come from.

    It is probably nowhere near that simple, and these changes could have occurred much later. But at somepoint there was a point of seperation like this, and well….the results are conclusively shown in todays humans.


  580. I would say inability to write in paragraphs correlates with inferior intelligence.

    Mac, lay off the PC goo. 95% of what you “know” is crapola.


  581. G.G.,I’m as “ghetto”(I’m in the process of authoring a book as I am wasting my time answering your disgusting like)as you are “hot.”
    Secondly,I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL shout “Sista,come home”
    to a black chick who dates white dudes.This is (Jan.7)2010!!!!I DON’T CARE WHO DATES WHOM,so long as they don’t attempt to tell dictate
    my choice of ‘pardner.”And YES,I DO resemble a handsome black cowboy;ask my buxom blonde babe!!!!


  582. “I don’t have any diseases and have been with only 2 men in my entire life.”

    “so you probably have herpes and don’t even know it yet.”

    Umm..Logic Fail for 1000, Alex.


  583. BlackCowboy – is that why you answered my comment with this: “G.G. ,the reason we classically handsome black lads don’t give fat,fugly,b***hy broads like you a second look(or the FIRST if we can a-
    viod it)is because a life-size Brad doll and a buxom blonde make a GREAT-LOOKING COUPLE!!!!”

    Yeah for someone who really doesn’t care you sure seem angry.
    Why attack me and call me names? Focuse on your book instead.
    The way you wrote to me confirmed you are as ghetto as they get and it makes me glad that more and more BW are starting to realize this and date men on their level, why lower your standards to a pathetic negro such as yourself? NO THANK YOU! most of you fail at life so good luck with yours.


  584. Stacey: “The responses I’ve gotten have afforded me some amusement but I won’t be wasting any more time responding to them. This is it. Ciao.”

    LOL! Oh wait! You forgot your Valtrex! You’ve got a life to live, baby.


  585. on January 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “This is 2010!!!!”

    Yes, it is. How come this never comes up when Blacks continue to bitch about racism and slavery?

    “Laying out in the sun to get that TAN.”

    Is this some new Black woman talking point? White women want to look like tanned white women, not gross ass black women.

    “Black men are raised with more respect for thier women, we brought that from Africa.”

    LOL!


  586. Stacey: “just one last thing for Ryder….I don’t have any diseases and have been with only 2 men in my entire life. I don’t screw anybody that I am not in a longterm monogamous relationship with. I have high standards…”

    Hey, that’s unfair! I was able to get along with only mild chuckles and guffaws until I hit the ludicrous “I have high standards” line. LOL! You’ve got to be kidding me. Your standards are nothing but pure media brainwashing. That’s it. If I had the inclination, I could provide a chart of exactly where every single belief that you have comes from, who put it there, and why. I won’t bother, but I’ll say this: the people who created the ideas that you parrot, and diffused them through the culture, don’t care a whit about you. In fact, they laugh up their sleaves at people like you. To them, you’re a joke, a silly demonstration project.

    And guess what? They are absolutely right. A general rule is that no dishonest propagandist has respect for those that swallow his pablum (must…resist…urge …to make crude joke here).

    In any event, you are a victim of malevolent propaganda – and you love every minute of it! You are nothing more than a vaguely human shaped parrot. Since you can’t think or see beyond that, you sure as hell can’t have standards beyond that. Put simply, you are incapable of high standards, any more than an empty vessel can have high standards, or a circus seal. You are therefore not be reasoned with or debated, only mocked and treated with contempt.

    Stacey continues: “and trust me I know plenty of white men with herpes (and they got it from white women who had been with white men).”

    What kind of scumbag crowd do you hang out with? You know “plenty” of white men with herpes? What the hell is wrong with you? The answer: well, lots. But let us not tarry on that.

    Here we see that the twit can’t even comprehend the most elementary logic. I’ll break it down for non-circus seals: blacks have rates of STD infection far, far greater than whites. Therefore, your odds of STD infection are far, far greater than white women who don’t bed down with blacks. This is a documented fact, toots. I know your college is never going to teach this sort of thing to you, and it will never once occur to you ask why they don’t. Perhaps they don’t have your best interests at heart? Nah. Impossible, eh? Yeah, they really love you, babe. Keep on believing that.

    It really is amazing. Hell, even a medieval peasant could at least somewhat handle the concept of probability. But not our circus seal Stacey. Even the peasant might have some suspicions about the veracity of his lords and masters. But not our Stacey. Whatever they tell her to believe, she’s gonna believe. The perfect peasant has been created…behold!

    Stacey: “By the way…wearing a condom doesn’t protect you from getting herpes….so you probably have herpes and don’t even know it yet. Let us know when you break out so we can all laugh at you!”

    Says the woman (putting it charitably) who sleeps with a demographic that has STD rates through the friggin roof. LOL! That college edumacation is really working for you, eh toots? By the way, ever take Logic 101? Basic statistics? Something SUBSTANTIVE, for crying out loud?

    Of course, STDs are only one of many, many problems with what you are doing. It is perhaps the most easily documented and demonstrable of the downsides, but far from the most important. However, given that you lack the basic ability to handle even readily quantifiable facts, there is no way that you could handle the higher level thought required for a serious treatment of this matter. But the real problem is not so much your lack of intelligence, but rather your lack of soul. You have no sense of self, there is no “there” there. So sure, ciao. Take the herpes, HPV, and your deracinated and deadened soul with you.


  587. @ Dr. Grzlickson

    I remember you as a deranged leftist moonbat from last year´s posts. Am I mistaking you for somebody else?


  588. on January 7, 2010 at 3:39 pm gunslingergregi

    Note to self: do not fuck with ryder.


  589. I don’t fuck a demographic, just one boyfriend for the past 2 years. There is no “they”. I am not approachable by “they”. I am not available to any “they” or to anyone on this site. When I started this relationship as I would any relationship, everyone gets tested to make sure no one has STD’s. I was tested 2 years in a row. No diseases. Rates may be higher in a certain demographic just like they are higher according to the area you live in. They are also higher according to the risks you take as an individual. I would never fuck with Ryder or fuck Ryder. Thank God, none of the people I associate with are like some of the people on this site.


  590. Jeff/Jack wrote

    “”LOL, white women who date black men are what the true educated white people laugh at and point at behind their backs. You are the *definition* of white trash in our eyes. I’m a law student in NYC. I am higher status than you and will remain so, regardless of your family background. You do come from a good family, and this is not a good thing for you – it means you have no excuse in the world to be such trash.””

    So, you think you are entitled to look down on people because you are getting a fancy degree, you and your kind is dangerous, as you are still as stupid as stupid people are, you just have a distorted belief that you are more then others because of your studies.


  591. on January 9, 2010 at 1:33 pm RonnieDickFuck

    Black dudes have zero standards. They will fuck the most obese land whales around and try to act all smoove’ whilst doing it. It really is sad how an entire race of people is content with settling for garbage.


  592. Jack/Jeff, the law student who commented above, doesn’t realize how many people laugh and roll their eyes at people like him. And the attorneys who are kind and classy people are surely furious at him.

    It is especially funny how hard he is trying to convince himself that he is high status.


  593. Stacey: “They are also higher according to the risks you take as an individual. I would never fuck with Ryder or fuck Ryder.”

    LOL! No worries, as I can assure you that your feelings of repugnance are reciprocated, and then some. Wouldn’t touch you with a ten foot poll, or a twenty footer for that matter. Don’t need the herpes or the HPV. By the way, you seem to claim that your boy was tested for STD’s. I don’t believe you, at least not the ones we have been discussing. It’s very unusual for a male to be tested for herpes, and almost impossible to test him for HPV. You are either lying or deluded, and remember it takes years for some of these things to show up. Even if he were “tested” for one of these things, which I seriously doubt, I’d bet a good amount of money that you in fact have one or both of these, and a hazardous waste tatoo over your vagina would not be out of order. But let us not quibble over such trivialities as your health, eh?

    The funny thing is, your professors have lied to you, all of the people that you hold in authority have lied to you, and yet you LOVE it. Are you to be pitied or despised? Let’s compromise with a little of both!

    The really disturbing thing is that, and I can guarantee this, your black boyfriend KNOWS that his relationship with you is not good for you. I’ve been around blacks all of my life. You aren’t going to believe this (and I don’t give a shit), but yes…some of my best friends are black. Just got off the phone with one a couple of hours ago, decided I was going to stay in. Could have been out partying with the brotherhood. I’ve been around blacks all of my life. Sure, they’ll fuck a white skank – but generally they despise you, or are at least indifferent. He’s doing what’s good for HIM, while you follow your circus seal brainwashing. Sad. I guarantee your boy knows that at the end of the day your involvement with him is going to make your life worse, not better, one way or another. He does not care. It does not matter that he will never admit this to you.

    It also doesn’t matter “why” this is, or whether it is justified or not (in fact, it is entirely justified, but for reasons that are way beyond your level of competence or soul). Point is, he knows it…yet he still “dates” you. And black women, as a rule, DESPISE you. I mean to the point that many would beat the living fuck out of you, and perhaps worse, if there were no consequences. Don’t let their smiles decieve you. Because I’m a “known” quantity, they’ll say more to me than to most whites…but I certainly don’t get the full earful (I get to hear it through the guys).

    Decent whites despise you. Liberal whites laugh up their sleave at you. Sure, they’ll encourage YOU to do it…but somehow they don’t. Or not their daughter, as the case may be. You are, quite simply, too stupid to understand any of this. To you, it’s just evil bigots interfering with your scripted love story. You can’t take it any further than that.

    But I really love this line: “Thank God, none of the people I associate with are like some of the people on this site.”

    Truly priceless. This, after you just finish telling me that you know “plenty” of whites with herpes. Who the hell knows “plenty” of whites with herpes? I know tons of blacks, a much higher risk group, and I don’t even know “plenty” of blacks with herpes, much less whites.

    I’ll tell you who knows “plenty” of such people: either a doctor or a piece of trash. Since you’re not a doctor…well, even you can probably do the math. You clearly associate with trashy whites, and therefore are trash yourself. Thus, your trashy behavior seems normal to you. That’s a pretty good working definition of a trashy person: trashy behavior appears perfectly normal in their eyes.

    I’ve got multiple advanced degrees from elite institutions, and therefore have been exposed to some of the brightest people out there (black, white, whatever). However, my professional career has also exposed me to the full range of the social order, including the dregs. There is a lesson that you need to learn right now, not for your own benefit but for the greater good: trash comes at all levels of society. I’ve known true gentleman and fine ladies that had virtually no formal education, and came from the bottom of the heap economically. And I’ve known a fair amount of trash with an Ivy League education. In other words, don’t imagine that the fact that you are in college (not a very good one, or so it would seem) exempts you from the skank label. It does not. If it walks like a duck…


  594. ” And black women, as a rule, DESPISE you. I mean to the point that many would beat the living fuck out of you, and perhaps worse, if there were no consequences. Don’t let their smiles decieve you. Because I’m a “known” quantity, they’ll say more to me than to most whites…but I certainly don’t get the full earful (I get to hear it through the guys).

    Oh please be quiet! Black women do not care! stop involving us in everything. If you hear it from your black guy friends then obviously you are not hearing the full truth because black men despise black women who date irr and will say anything degrading and mean to put us in “our place”. Don’t trust everything they say to you about black women, you common idiot.
    No decent black woman cares if a black man is dating a white woman, i am so fed up with that myth! Who are you hanging out with?, must be some low, ugly, fat black woman because really, no one who can get a date cares what black men do and that goes for white people too.
    Stacey, if black men or even white men tell you that black women will hate you if you date “their men” then please hear this: this is a common tactic that the end result is the men win, in this case, black men, they like to play women against eachother so they will fight for them (as i am sure you already know), they will say black women will harm you physically and they tell black women that white women hate them etc. Why? I don’t need to tell you do I?
    I am so sick of this, date whoever you want! the majority of black women could really care less!


  595. G.G.,you know,you’re such a LOSER it isn’t even funny.(Well,you’re likely
    FUNNY-LOOKING,but…)You can’t match wits with me,so you type laughably ignorant jeremiads which prove your brainlessness.
    Have you ever heard of projection?(A dumb broad like you hasn’t but,hey,I’m giving you the benefit of-LOTS-of the doubt.)You’re its
    ugly poster girl.


  596. “No decent black woman cares if a black man is dating a white woman, i am so fed up with that myth!”

    Bullshit. It is far from a myth.


  597. “Black women do not care! stop involving us in everything. If you hear it from your black guy friends then obviously you are not hearing the full truth because black men despise black women who date irr and will say anything degrading and mean to put us in “our place”.”

    LOL! Love it. If we accept your fantasy at face value, we live in a world where black men despise black women who date interracially (you are right about that part), but somehow black females are completely cool with skanky white chicks scooping up their men? Yeah, normal people just love additional competition for scarce resources. Love it!

    It all makes perfect sense. Perhaps in the bizarro world in which you apparently reside, black women also want to be maids for those white women! No historical resentment there, I’m sure! lol

    Let’s get back to earth for a moment, shall we?

    Putting your poorly written and near incoherent fantasy aside, here is the reality: black females, as a group, have enormous historical resentment against white women. Bizarrely, they also believe that white females are far skankier than blacks (I say bizarre, because it is well documented that black females have considerably more sexual partners than white females do, and have the STD rates to prove it. This fact seems to have no impact whatsoever on the belief system of many/most black females – in their mind white women are worthless skanks. As an aside, they also seem to believe that white females are poor mothers).

    Add to this what we know about human nature in general (biology, genetic interests), and the obvious/common sense reality that no normal person wants more competition for scarce resources (why would they? why make life harder than it already is?), and your position is revealed as completely absurd. Thanks for playing, though! Perhaps whatever Third Tier Toilet Stacey attends can help you brush up on your writing skills, and as an added bonus you can hang out with her and encourage her to date the brothers?
    It’ll be a win/win!


  598. Why would I resent my boyfriends mother? She is white after all. You are such a pathetic sad piece of shit it’s laughable.
    You want white women and black women to be against eachother to compete for what? worthless losers such as yourself? LOL
    Like I said, women and men who can get dates of their own do not resent irr couples, they don’t care because they have their own lives to worry about.
    And I don’t have any std’s or any disgusting disease, is that all you can come up with? and there is no such thing as “their” women or “their” men. Black men do not belong to me.
    And FYI english is not my first language you fucking idiot or second for that matter.
    Unlike you I don’t care what strangers do or who they date.
    Do you even realize how pathetic you are making yourself look!? I hope you like the sight of black men and white women and vice versa because you’ll be seeing lots more of it lol

    Go on and date those black men Stacey, don’t let the sight of the white trash hick getting a heart attack scare you lol


  599. Ryder= boring and long in speaking or writing, wherein there does not seem to be much particular relevance or significance; as such is typically extolled by individuals who are oblivous and synonymously known as a gas bag, wind bag, blow hard, bloviate, etc.; or, otherwise, is expressed by a persons who is so over fraught with an idea that they are not able to explain it plain and simply.


  600. Stacey: “…expressed by a persons who is so over fraught with an idea that they are not able to explain it plain and simply.”

    LOL! That hurts. You want it explained plain and simple? I’ll indulge.

    Poster “L” is a deranged lunatic, not to mention an utter moron.

    Poster Stacey is a brainwashed skank, almost as moronic as L. Though frankly, L is so goddam stupid that even Stacey seems at least vaguely human in comparison. I’ll put it this way: L is to Stacey as retard is to nitwit. Analogies rock!

    Simple enough?

    Neither poster can refute a single thing that I have written, but resort instead to ridiculous platitudes and inane pablum. Again, trained circus seals. It wouldn’t suprise me if there are actual parrots who have had more original thoughts than either you or L. Glad to see that college edumacation is really paying off.

    I still say that L should enroll in whatever third rate school you go to, learn to write at a high school level, and encourage you to accumulate even more STDs. You’re a collector now! In lieu of that, just go back to the “plenty” of people that you know with herpes. Your kind of people.

    And @ L: if you made a single coherent, sentient or remotely valid point, I would be more than happy to respond. But…well, you know. LOL!


  601. I think the blue aliens in Avatar are hotter then black women.


  602. Stacey: “…expressed by a persons who is so over fraught with an idea that they are not able to explain it plain and simply.”

    LOL! That hurts. You want it explained plain and simple? I’ll indulge.

    Poster “L” is a deranged lunatic, not to mention an utter moron.

    Poster Stacey is a brainwashed sk*nk, almost as moronic as L. Though frankly, L is so god*am stupid that even Stacey seems at least vaguely human in comparison. I’ll put it this way: L is to Stacey as retard is to nitwit. Analogies rock!

    Simple enough?

    Neither poster can refute a single thing that I have written, but resort instead to ridiculous platitudes and inane pablum. Again, trained circus seals. It wouldn’t suprise me if there are actual parrots who have had more original thoughts than either you or L. Glad to see that college edumacation is really paying off.

    I still say that L should enroll in whatever third rate school you go to, learn to write at a high school level, and encourage you to accumulate even more STDs. You’re a collector now! In lieu of that, just go back to the “plenty” of people that you know with herpes. Your kind of people.

    And @ L: if you made a single coherent, sentient or remotely valid point, I would be more than happy to respond. But…well, you know. LOL!


  603. Stacey, I agree 100% with Jack/Jeff. You apparently are under the impression that your past dating/sexual history is of no importance to any potential suitors. I don’t dispute that you might have some white guys after you right now, but those guys just want to have sex with you – if they know that you dated a black guy for a couple years they likely assume that you are slutty and will have sex with them with little effort on their part.

    However, you might meet a white man at some point in your life that you want to marry. If that guy finds out that you dated a black guy, your value will drop in his eyes and he will probably assume that you are a total whore. Even if the guy is foolish and doesn’t come to this conclusion right away, you should rest assured that his close friends will help him to see you for what you truly are.


  604. I will make it very simple for you.

    Black women do not care what black men do/date or both.

    No wonder white women turn to black men if white men are like you.

    Not all of them are like you though. I should know.

    The term “Beta” is often used by BETAS.

    can you speak any other language besides english? I think not.
    I speak 7, fluently.

    You are pathetic because you care what strangers do and who they choose to date. That tells me you are unattractive among other things.

    No white woman wants you so you cry and bitch about it on a blog called “black men, white women” where you also demand the queens english is spoken (written).

    lol, my boyfriend even says that a man who cares what another woman does,who is a stranger to him by the way, is a sad pathetic excuse for a human being. Mind your own fucking business and maybe one day you’ll get laid but i doubt it, no one wants a white trash hick lol

    Bye bye now, I’m not going to respond to your comments so don’t bother. I’ll promise to practise on my writing skills if you practise on getting laid lol you sure need too, you sound angry. get that aggression out


  605. “L,” you are a complete idiot. If you really are a black woman, then I guess that you are incapable of understanding how people view your race. I love it how black people think that race doesn’t matter when it comes to dating, although they generally believe that race is of utmost concern with respect to every other aspect in life, such as the racial preferences that they prefer in employment and education.

    Any white person who is honest will tell you that they are disgusted by white women who date black men and would never considering marrying such women. I actually also know Asians and Mexicans who feel the same way.

    “L,” you seem to think that the only white people who disapprove of blacks and whites dating are “white trash.” However, I suspect that poor white trash is what is actually much more likely to date blacks.


  606. I am a white male, and I wouldn’t especially mind if my girlfriend had been with a black guy once or twice.

    I bet a lot of the guys here who would be horrified about it, are sleeping with women who have sampled the whole spectrum of colors.


  607. on January 11, 2010 at 3:25 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’blog called “black men, white women” where you also demand the queens english is spoken (written).”””’

    Very minute post and piece of a blog not the main attraction. Fun to watch sideshow though. Very informative.


  608. I think its sad when black men lower themselves by dating fat, old, has been, white women. But its a perfect match! If you think about it, most of the men who deal with these women are men that young women (blk or cracker, or any ethnic group) don’t want anyway. Let’s just leave it at this; when it comes to acceptance, the lower, least desired population of all races are more likely to be better received outside their own. This is b/c all group have set standards for gaging top knotch and bottom of the bucket, but with so many so called taboo desires and fantasies nowadays, an old white hag and bum black guy can at least please e/o or an old, fat, short cock white with a lot of money can find a whole lot of love and lust in those before mentioned housing projects from those broke, broken down blk women. Or the rich lil daddys girl white chick looking to rebel can always piss daddy off by bringing home a dead beat rican that even rican women don’t want! Or the successful, “sell out” blk brotha who(sadly) is shunned for his achievements, and frowned upon b/c of his want and need to be different and unique will usually be seen married to some drop dead gorgeous blonde, with children, why? B/c those two findthe most common ground. He: just wants someone who wants him for him, and she: wants someone who won’t leave her or stop loving her once she not a perfect 10 any longer, like most white men do to their women.


  609. Newsflash: L is still a moron. You go girl! LOL! Perhaps you would make more sense if you wrote in one of these other languages that you are “fluent” in. I’m not sure ebonics counts as a language, though, but who’s counting? Quick, time to google a language translator site.

    Instigator: a “male” but never a “man.” Every tribe has its weak members. The sort of “male” that thinks as you do, and is indifferent as to the history of his mates, is a prime candidate to be cuckolded…and quite deservedly so. Healthy males are just a tad more territorial. Nature’s way of seeing to it that some genes move on and others don’t.


  610. L: “I’ll promise to practise on my writing skills if you practise on getting laid lol”

    Firstly, L, if you are going to demand that I practice getting laid, you could at least spell “practice” correctly. Nevertheless, I’m happy to inform you that I’ve taken your sage and erudite advice.

    Just got done “practicing” getting laid. Wow, that was tough! I mean damnnnnnn. LOL! I think I’ll go back and practice some more, and then I’m done until at least tomorrow night. Maybe even Wednesday. I’ve gotta draw the line somewhere. Can’t practice all the time, you know?

    Newsflash for L: in America, it’s hard NOT to get laid. If you can’t get laid here, god help you. Plenty of trash like Stacey around, just for starters. Fortunately, most skanks seem to have a lower STD risk than Stacey, but whatever.

    Any more tough assignments? Now, to keep up your end of the bargain, get back to your ABCs like a good tard. And make sure to practice, as opposed to practise. Chop chop!!


  611. “Neither poster can refute a single thing that I have written, but resort instead to ridiculous platitudes and inane pablum. Again, trained circus seals. It wouldn’t suprise me if there are actual parrots who have had more original thoughts than either you or L. Glad to see that college edumacation is really paying off. ” Ryder

    Inane peblum? I may be naive and simplistic in my belief that people should be treated as individuals and that we are all children of god no matter our race. “Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world, red and ….” It’s a reflection of my upbringing that I am not a racist, small-minded, xenophobic bigot.

    By the way, it’s spelled “education” not “edumacation”. It’s a typo….I can forgive you that. The thing I am having trouble forgiving is the amount of “tripe” (that word really suits you) you write in each of your posts. You couldn’t be concise if your life depended on it.


  612. Stacey: “Inane peblum?”

    Um…no. It’s inane pablum.

    Stacey: “It’s a reflection of my upbringing that I am not a racist, small-minded, xenophobic bigot. ”

    In fact, you are a small-minded, hateful bigot…just as your brainwashing has made you. For example, you have no respect whatsoever for those that seek to preserve the identity of their people…at least if that group is white. Somehow, I doubt that you would react with such umbrage and outrage if a Korean, or a Zulu, told you that he/she was against miscegenation and in favor of preserving their people. But a white person says the same thing? Oh boy, the hateful insults fly from good old Stacey. Add rank hypocrisy to small minded and hateful.

    Stacey: “By the way, it’s spelled “education” not “edumacation”. It’s a typo….I can forgive you that.”

    HaHa! Jesus, what a maroon (no, that’s not a typo either). Given that you are slow on the uptake, to the point of mistaking an obvious joke for a typo, you would do well to consider the following: “…it is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”


  613. This whole post (and subsequent comments) just serves to remind me how hopelessly fragile the male ego is, and how insecure you get. A white woman fucking a black guy? Well let’s all us white guys put her down and simultaneously put down black men, then run around beating our chests.


  614. No one here has the right to pass judgement on anyone’s choice of race in a mate. I don’t care of a white person just wants to date white people. Did I say that I did? I don’t care if a black person just wants to date black people. Did I say that I did? It isn’t any of my business or yours. There is something strange about someone who trys to make it their business.

    Just because you keep saying I’ve said something doesn’t mean it will actually become true. Just because a few white guys on this site say that a decent white guy would never date a woman that had dated a black guy doesn’t make it true.

    Don’t make up assumptions of how I think and then attribute them to me in your post, Ryder. At least go by what I have actually stated.

    I like who I am by the way. “In my world, everyone’s a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!”
    — Dr. Seuss
    ……and if you put down Dr. Seuss and his simplicity you’re just WRONG!


  615. on January 12, 2010 at 6:56 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    @ Stace

    That quote was actually from Lord Palmerston.


  616. It’s actually from Dr. Seuss. Possibly it originated from Lord Palmerston, I really don’t know. I googled the quote and only Dr. Seuss comes up. Not that it matters to me but apparently it mattered to you.


  617. To Stace, Ab, L:

    Been following your comments…sometimes it’s hard to resist rubbernecking at train wrecks, be they mechanical or human.

    I promise to keep it sooper dooper concise so as not to bore Stace (and before you spell check me Stace, yeah, I know it isn’t spelled “sooper dooper”)

    Sorry to reject your template, but this isn’t a case of white men betraying sexual insecurities. On the planet I live on, white men AND ALSO white women, even the most apolitical, amoral, agnostic ones, will agree in a moment of candor that a white female who bangs blacks is a tramp. I’ve been in the homes of many upper-class whites, socially liberal to the core and not at all religious. And I’ve been in the homes of middle-class and lower-income whites…churchgoers. Readers of the Gospels.

    None of them would want THEIR daughters bedding down with DeSean and Jamarcus.

    Then again, I’m from Earth, a place where no normal, healthy white who isn’t an M.D. can report that he/she knows “plenty of white guys” with herpes. What can I say…apparently Stace’s mileage varies!

    Stace, if Ryder were Japanese, and he was expressing his disgust with a Japanese girl who was bedding down with blacks from a nearby American military base, would you show such hate for him and such intolerance of his views? If not, why not? Don’t whites (and Japanese) enjoy the same right to exist that every other race rightfully enjoys?


  618. Stacey: “No one here has the right to pass judgement on anyone’s choice of race in a mate. I don’t care of a white person just wants to date white people. Did I say that I did? I don’t care if a black person just wants to date black people. Did I say that I did?”

    Well, let’s see. You have thrown around terms like “jealous,” “bitter” and “uneducated white trash.” I particularly like your use of the latter term, given your stellar writing and analytical skills. LOL! The truth is that you have happily thrown around all sorts of slurs against people who disagree with you. You did this right off the bat. And now you have the gall to pull the “What, little old me?” routine. Bullshit.

    Stacey: “It isn’t any of my business or yours.”

    The preservation of the Korean population is the business of the Koreans. The preservation of the Zulus is the business of the Zulus. The preservation of the Apache is the business of the Apache. The preservation of my people is, therefore, my business. I claim nothing that all other peoples do not also claim. Miscegenation has all sorts of negative consequences, some merely annoying and others disastrous. Honest people can and should speak out on this, since the propaganda machine will not be truthful. Consider it an ethical obligation.

    Stacey: ” Just because a few white guys on this site say that a decent white guy would never date a woman that had dated a black guy doesn’t make it true.”

    No, it doesn’t MAKE it true. But it IS TRUE, regardless of what is said here. And somewhere in your dying soul you know that. No decent white guy will want you now. Of course, you can lie and sucker one, but then your relationship will be based on such lies. You won’t respect him, and he won’t respect you, at least not nearly as much. You will instead end up with the lower end of white: a borderline faggot, or some kind of degenerate pervert.

    Also, you won’t know many of the costs. Quality guys that might have been interested, will instead learn of your behavior and never approach in the first place. The ones that do approach will either be ignorant of your behavior, or will be screwed up/trashy. Maybe they think you are easy, and they have low standards for themselves. I really don’t see great relationship material there. And, god forbid, if you actually did marry a white guy, what would you tell your white children when they ask what you did before meeting Daddy? “I used to get fucked by blacks, or pretty much anything for that matter!” You want that? Wouldn’t they deserve better than that? It’s all pathetic.

    Stacey: “At least go by what I have actually stated.”

    I’ve done just that. You came onto this thread spewing insults and falsehoods. Calling people uneducated who are in fact far more educated than you, people who will forget in a week more than you will learn in a lifetime. So you were called out for what you are: an ignorant and brainwashed cretin. Don’t like that? Don’t enter threads spewing insults and falsehoods. If you had come in good faith, you would have been treated accordingly. It was your choice not to approach things like that. Insulting your intellectual and social betters will get you nowhere, toots.

    Stacey: “I like who I am by the way. “In my world, everyone’s a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!”

    Yeah. The reality of the world you represent is more rape, murder, disease, and oppression, but that’s a whole different discussion far beyond your pay grade. I will say this, with your ponies and “god’s children” line. Not that I base my positions upon a religious foundation, but if you do, you might consider this: didn’t god create the races? Do you hate god, and seek to undo his work? Or do you merely disrespect Him?

    Point is that there are a lot of ways of looking at this, it’s a very complicated subject. Instead you allowed yourself to be hopelessly brainwashed by people that, by and large, despise you. You have taken damn serious actions, and have not thought a whit about consequences, either for yourself or the broader society. You have now made your own bed, and you must lie in it. However, you might want to reflect upon the nasty motives that you have in trying to spread this to others. That’s where foolishness transforms into evil. In short: focus on becoming a better person rather than spreading trashy behavior. I can’t be any fairer than that.


  619. And another thing Stacey.
    This is me.

    Do I look like an uneducated piece of trash to you? You could never have a man like me even if you tried.


  620. Yes you do. A gay uneducated piece of trash. I’m glad I’m diluting the white race with my mixed race child by my white husband. It’s obvious the gene pool needs to be diluted and that ignorant video is proof.


  621. You also make a great case for why I’m an atheist. The races aren’t different species by the way, so it’s ok for them to mix. I know this scares you, but most African Americans are of mixed race, it was all that rape during slavery that caused that. Rape of black women by white men.

    PS A man popping his booty is incredibly gay, trashy, and not a sign of intelligence or education.

    Not to mention the girl’s who channel it is on appears to be mixed race. Maybe she is trying to pass for white?


  622. I love that white people on this site show their racism over and over again and try to pretend it isn’t racist. It is. Of course you all claim to be educated as well, and that’s obviously not the case.
    Anyway good day.


  623. White men who are usually repulsed by white women who have slept with black men are usually insecure about their tiny penis size and their ability to sexually satisfy ANY woman, much less one who has slept with black guys.

    It’s the mandingo stereotype that scares the hell out of them.


  624. Well if you look at the icons the one for the video is different than the regular ryder one.


  625. ””””” I know this scares you, but most African Americans are of mixed race, it was all that rape during slavery that caused that. Rape of black women by white men. ””’

    I think that rape part is probably false I got black woman on me like well black woman on a white man. This black chick gonna divorce her husband just so she can have a half white baby with no help from the white man. She could just have an abortion and keep the husband. But nooooo she wants a half white baby with some white intelligence and looks so bad she can taste it.


  626. lol I think Gunslingwhatever is delusional!
    and how gay is that Ryder guy omg LOL


  627. on January 13, 2010 at 2:30 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “are usually insecure about their tiny penis size”

    So a millimeter (at best) is the difference between tiny and huge? I’d hate to hear what you think about asian guys.

    “It’s the mandingo stereotype”

    Myth is the word.

    The lead post on your blog is absurd. No amount of cultural brainwashing will make black women attractive. It’s a biological thing and you got the short end of the stick.


  628. Fake Ryder! hehehe…


  629. Clearly her black self was enough to attract her white husband, but you would probably argue that he is “Beta” and there for does not count lol.


  630. lets not forget this simple rule:

    The best way to judge a womans character/soul/class is to look at the man she lays with.

    if hes a criminal, she may as well be a criminal.

    if he is an asshole, she may as well be an asshole.

    if he is black, she may as well be black.

    and we all know white men dont want black women ahaha. Truthfully though its similar to guys not liking a woman who has slept with lots of guys. Lets say because of std rates a black guy counts for 5 guys, even sleeping with 1 black guy dont look too good.

    Its not what the sex does to the woman that makes her undateable, its because she had to be a slut to do it in the first place. No one cares if she enjoyed it. its not insecurity. This is just how men think.


  631. on January 13, 2010 at 11:07 pm Hans Ulrich Rudel

    Siditty,

    Like a monkey in it’s cage all you can do is throw shit around. Seriously though your hubby must be a real piece of work to marry a she gorilla like you. I just can’t fathom a white guy ever liking a black woman.

    By the way mixed race people are strange looking what a depressing future. Give me an average white girl over the hottest mulatto any day of the week


  632. siditty, you wrote: “White men who are usually repulsed by white women who have slept with black men are usually insecure about their tiny penis size and their ability to sexually satisfy ANY woman, much less one who has slept with black guys.

    It’s the mandingo stereotype that scares the hell out of them.”

    Actually, white men don’t want to marry a women who they think is a dirty whore. A white woman who has sex with a black guy is generally viewed as having very low standards and a slut, whether you like it or not. White men also wouldn’t want white women who have sucked off horses or other wild animals either – are white men therefore insecure about their penis size relative to wild animals if you reject a woman like that?

    Siditty, since you are the expert on racial insecurities, why don’t you regale us with your thoughts on the lower intellectual capabilities of members of the black community versus every other ethnic group on the entire planet? Why is it that black people love to perpetuate the stereotypes about black penis size, yet they refuse to give any credence to the volumes of statistics proving the borderline-retarded IQ of the average black man? Could it be that black people are simply insecure and ashamed of their limitations?


  633. ah don’t you just love it when men flatter themselves.
    Hans Ulrich, you can relax, it’s not YOU she wants so calm down. lol

    Kurt, Siditty is a black woman not the spokes person for the black “race” and she is married to a white man, what in the world makes you think she is the expert of black men? and what makes you think she cares? She has never even slept with a black man.

    Again, guys, you really need to stop flattering yourselves, it’s embarrassing.


  634. on January 15, 2010 at 7:08 pm Hans Ulrich Rudel

    Anon,

    Aren’t you a philosopher! I find black women revolting (like most black men) You couldn’t pay enough to bed down with a black woman.

    Again you really need to stop saying stupid shit, its embarrassing


  635. “I just can’t fathom a white guy ever liking a black woman.”

    Ever hear of Thomas Jefferson? He liked black women…


  636. Hans Ulrich,

    And I probably couldn’t pay a black woman to have sex with you.
    See? it’s a win-win :) black women would rather choke on their fists than to sleep with you and you are delusional enough to think they actually would sleep with you because…what was the reason again? oh, right. You’re a white male. lol

    and you my friend, really, Really need to stop flattering yourself.


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  638. TG

    Ever hear of Thomas Jefferson? He liked black women…

    Tom = Beta

    He spent too much
    for a first
    date


  639. Wow,

    Truly amazing. Yes if people look into recent history, as published by science magazines, and blogs posted by prominent scientists, humans have been around about 5 million years. The skeleton they found was named Lucy.

    Flash forward to now, everybody has issues. There are good people and bad people… regardless of color. American society has real issues. Our so- called valued have devolved into crap. Rape, violence, exploitation has been, and still is our way of life. Racism is a tool used by the rich and powerful, to manipulate the minions. Otherwise the very people who set the standards would uphold to them. And to a point, everyone in america is racist. It’s woven into our social, political, and economic fabric. Stereotypes run rampant, as do those who propegate it. Race (rather skin color) is just a shell. It’s how you choose to live. I know ignorant white people, black people, mexicans, chinese, hmongs, hebrews, the list goes on. When does it stop? When you want it to.

    Racism in america is based on classism. The europeans thought of themselves as superior, and everyone else as inferior. So they were eliminated, enslaved and eventually disenfranchasied. But as you see, this recession has hit EVERYONE. Use that as a key. If you like someone, like them for them. FUCK what everyone else thinks. It’s your life, so be happy.


  640. Oh yeah, one more thing,

    It wasn’t just African slave women who were raped, there were plenty of African slave men who were forced into having sex with with white women. Many angry/curious/horny (married and single) mistress plantation owners/dwellers and single white women had sex (forced or consensual) with black males, which leads me to this: For those of you who think that there are pure anything in america, Shake up your family tree; and if your family has been here before 1970, chances are that you are mixed with Black, White, and/or Native American. People are people.


  641. “Not that I base my positions upon a religious foundation, but if you do, you might consider this: didn’t god create the races? Do you hate god, and seek to undo his work? Or do you merely disrespect Him?” Ryder

    “God’s prohibition against intermarriage with the Canaanite and other peoples of the land was not based on racial but rather the religious and societal practices of those peoples. Using this prohibition to support racist theories of superiority or segregationist policy is inaccurate. A further proof that the covenant was not ‘racial’ in nature is found in the accepting and honoring of non-Israelite (and non-Semitic) people in Scripture:
    Numbe