The following are one sentence observations of girls I’ve dated in the past five years sorted by their ages.
19 – Slipped me a pink pill in Club Five and flaked on the third date.
21 – She made a CD mix to play while we ate a home-cooked meal by candlelight — in her husband’s apartment.
23 – Needed zero foreplay.
24 – Smoked pot with me and cried a lot about the magic of being in love.
25 – Fingerbanged her in my car and caught her looking over her shoulder at me after we parted going in opposite directions.
26 – Loved to power shop and fuck standing up and talk about herself.
27 – Required three traditional dates (i.e.: I pay) before putting out.
28 – Argumentative.
29 – Flaky like the 19 year old, but minus the charm and flirtatious banter.
30 – Jumped straight out of bed early on a weekend morning to “accomplish things” after a night of earthshaking sex.
31 – Screwed like a man and talked aloud about the chores she had to do for the day.
32 – Lights off sex interrupted by dispassionate instructions on how to please her.
34 – Showered me with excessive flattery and trolled for same in return.
35 – Left bra on during sex.
Trends… I sees them.
Which ones were shaved? Hopefully none.
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the younger girls were waxed into delicately designed motifs. older girls were shaved in a basic fashion. you could tell they just didn’t give as much of a shit about keeping up appearances down there.
funny, the biggest unkempt bush was on a 24 yo hippie chick.
i prefer waxed. nothing worse than prickly stubble from a shaved pubic bone scratching the shit out of your groin area during thrusting.
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funny, the biggest unkempt bush was on a 24 yo hippie chick
What a wonderful chick!
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“Which ones were shaved? Hopefully none.”
Again with this shit? WTF is your problem?
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Funny my trend goes like this
12- cried a lot during and after. Damn I was THAT good
13-Got upset because I made fun of her braces
14 to 33 -Kept talking about Laguna Beach, The Hills, and wore UGG boots during sex.
Hmmmm looking for a trend myself
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What trends do you spot?
What you’ve got me thinking is more or less this … Women love to portray men as sexually crazy, nuts, weird, unreasonable, what with our enthusiasms, demands, and fetishes. And god knows we all have our quirks. But gals seem to be just as nuts and demanding. Their sexual drives, quirks and demands are just as peculiar as ours are, if often in a different kind of way.
So what are they up to really? In intense denial about how bizarre and kinky they really are? Or just trying to keep men feeling like we’re animals and they’re princesses? If so, why? Because the fantasy suits them? Or because it’s a power play on their part?
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Left her bra on during sex? Jesus, who does that.
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lol i just seen that pic of roissy. lmfao, he looks like that rapist from pulp fiction.
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Guys: 30 is the new 20.
Girls: 26 is the new 30.
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A glorious natural pelt is a thing of beauty. A shaved/waxed chick is an abomination against nature (though of course would-be pedophiles are happy).
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#7: I remember Sarah Jessica Parker used to leave her bra on for her Sex and the City sex scenes. It’s weird on TV and I bet it’s even stranger in real life.
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I was with a girl who left the bra on too. Never got that one.
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The problem with waxing is you have to let it grow out each time. So it’s all or nothing. I’ve never had the nerve to wax nor wanted to. Sounds like you’re ready for an older woman, Roissy. Women in their 40’s are painfully horny and not near as much trouble.
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Peter, please stop your attempts to conflate pedophilia with a a preference for trimmed or shaved pussies. Do you insist that a woman leave her armpits and legs natural as well? Because if you don’t, you’re a pedophile by your own logic.
In fact, please drop this topic altogether. Your single-minded fetish is creeping everyone out.
As far as the post goes, I don’t really see too much of a pattern, aside from the not-quite-revelation that different women are going to be different in bed. Do you really think the woman who gave you “dispassionate instructions on how to please her” used to be a bubbly sexual dynamo but transformed into a demanding harpy as soon as she hit 30? I’ll bet she used to be a demanding harpy when she was 23.
I agree that the bra on during sex is weird, though. I assume you must have at least attempted to get it off; what did she do in response?
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Peter’s fetish isn’t creeping “everyone” out — I’m amused, rather than skeeved, by it. Viva pubic hair self-determination!
And, Roissy, the “dispassionate instructions” were because you were doing a lousy job of turning her on. Or she wasn’t that into you. Sorry!
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I’ll bet the 19 y.o. flaked due to too wide of an age diff. Most who post on personals sites are adamant about the guy being less than 30. Maybe she decided to try it out but didn’t feel comfortable after all. In general, these girls are very girly, flirty, and looking for something regular.
On the other hand, since they’re at their peak physically and personality-wise, they have a wide range of options, and if you’re not the best she’ll ever see, she could easily flake out and hope for better. It won’t hurt her since she’s still got plenty of time left — a 30-something couldn’t flake out on a good guy w/o severely jeopardizing her chance of getting a steady bf or husband.
Marriages are most likely to break up when the wife is young, like late teens / early 20s, probably for this reason.
So yeah neu anonym, they’re “trouble”… but I can’t help it — I always find myself getting into trouble.
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“Loved to power shop and fuck standing up and talk about herself.”
I would pay to see her do all three at once. In Sears.
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Pubic hair self-determination includes the right to choose to remove it. Peter would have you shackled to the past, when women had to resort to illegal back-alley trimmings should they need to tame the beast below.
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T,
if she left the bra on she’s obv dealing wiht a biggie smalls issue where one tigg is bigger than the other…. duh
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19 Virgl: Amazing case of serendipity. I was just about to post about that very thing. Most women have a discrepancy between breasts and I don’t know why lingerie manufacturers haven’t picked on this yet. My left is larger, but don’t know if that’s the norm or not. I once knew a young woman who was VERY unfortunate in that category & leaving the bra on would be a good short term option.
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left bra on = fembot?
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I think this “hypothetical” chronology is more typical:
18. While still a virgin, masters the art of oral sex through many eager and creative blowjobs.
19. Seduces first serious boyfriend: holds out months before losing virginity, experiences first g-spot orgasm (again, and again, and again), cuddles, writes letters, takes trips, professes true love, freaks guy out, gets heart broken.
20. Develops classically cynical view of sex. Has first one-night-stand, second one-night-stand, etc. Hates self for being so easy, and men for being so cheap.
21. Seduces second serious boyfriend: corners at a party, kisses fully on the lips, and sexiles roommates to initiate all-night shagfest on living-room rug. Subsequently enjoys several-month-long monogamous relationship before breaking up with him to screw a hot, meaningless Frenchman.
22. No longer interested in “serious boyfriends”; nurtures a single low-key (“long-term”) interest on the side while honing powers of seduction to ensure a constant and varying supply of intellectual/physical stimuli with minimal demand for commitment.
23. Looks hot, loves flirting, feels empowered by increasing sense of control in sexual situations. Still intrigued by the large pool of eligible men who are interested in her. Cherishes independence, moves around a lot.
24. Indefinitely settled into new job/city, reflects upon lifetime notch count, contemplates possible negative effects on health/happiness/wholesome family life. Decides to find someone nice and try to “commit” (whatever that means)…
25. Meaningfully committed in longish-term relationship, seriously ponders implications of marriage for lifetime sexual enjoyment. Laments difficulty of convincing a loving companion to engage in anal sex, bondage, or role-playing. Troubled by conflicting desires for stability and pleasure, consults therapist. Reads intriguing yet discouraging blogs.
Wait, what?
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It could be argued that past 30 we stop being girls, Roissy.
Which leads to think that the age of the “girl” is inversely proportional to the jadedness with which the relationship is approached.
But bra on? Did she have enormous and saggy boobs or something?
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Let me guess… 26, 30, and 31 were esteemed members of the bar… right?
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But bra on? Did she have enormous and saggy boobs or something?
I’ve had this too. They turned out to be fakes that could pass with the bra on.
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What you’ve got me thinking is more or less this … Women love to portray men as sexually crazy, nuts, weird, unreasonable, what with our enthusiasms, demands, and fetishes. And god knows we all have our quirks. But gals seem to be just as nuts and demanding. Their sexual drives, quirks and demands are just as peculiar as ours are, if often in a different kind of way.
So what are they up to really? In intense denial about how bizarre and kinky they really are? Or just trying to keep men feeling like we’re animals and they’re princesses? If so, why? Because the fantasy suits them? Or because it’s a power play on their part?
Naah, it’s more like liberals and conservatives. Really. Two different points of view based on two different life situations and two different sets of biological drives. (Well, maybe not the drives.)
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26, SFG: “So what are they up to really?”
Man spends copious amounts of time trying to analyze women and understand them. Had a male friend who was hyper-analytical and made it his task to analyze them to the point of understanding. He naturally failed and is not the type to give up easily. The greatest minds in the world have failed at that task. Trying to understand women logically is like trying to understand poetry logically. (Am not saying all poetry is necessarily beautiful either.) The mind can’t understand the heart using logic and the heart can’t understand the mind using emotion. It takes being able to jump outside of them both. It takes being able to live in paradox where two opposites are both true at the same time. Masculine and feminine are opposites but both as true as the other. Carl Jung made a great discovery; we all have both elements within us to varying degrees.
More airy fairy talk from neu anonym? If you say so! And I can no sooner prove logically what I’m saying here than fly, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.
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Um, you’re the only constant in this, “trend.” Right? Are you sure it’s not what you’re offering that makes the difference? I mean, you’re entitled to want to sex up as many women as you want. But you can’t exactly complain when the ones who take you up on your offer then don’t want to have to waste much time with you. You’re describing them as temporary and “pump and dump.” The things you say they do – hop right out of bed, talk about chores, and so on – kind of make it sound like they see you the same way.
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28…Oooooh good one dizzy8.
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More airy fairy talk from neu anonym? If you say so! And I can no sooner prove logically what I’m saying here than fly, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.
No, it’s a poetic statement of something I agree with. Understanding other people requires pre-built software in the form of mirror neurons, which us nerds don’t have a lot of. People get all fuzzy about these things because they’re too complex to describe in terms of F=ma, though you could if you understood the connection patterns of the brain the way we’ve mapped the rivers of the world. But we don’t have that info (yet), so we use our natural biologically based software, those of us that have it of course. The better you are at understanding other people because of your inbuilt mirror neuron software, the worse you will be at understanding calculus. Guess which one’s more important? See Simon Baron-Cohen for more detail.
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how does a woman screw like a man? can a man screw like a woman?
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Neu anonym and SFG: you’ve both said something I agree with, sort of. However, I don’t think that the “mirror neuron” capacity, to use SFG’s term, is confined to women, although I suppose women tend to have more of these useful things.
Steve Sailer has speculated that “charismatic” masculine men, the kind who become great leaders and whom other men admire for their masculinity, are more likely to have this quality, these mirror neurons (though I don’t think he uses that phrase) than nerds, and thus are, paradoxically, somewhat more feminine, at least internally, than nerds are.
People who have this “mirror neuron” capacity to a high degree may sometimes fail to observe human “issues” even when these are right under their noses. Both the dictates of logic, on the one hand, and wishful thinking, on the other, can blind you even to those things you know intuitively to be true.
For example: you have a strong sense that someone is your enemy, but because you have no proof, you ignore the feeling – only to discover, with much grief, that you were right all along. That’s how reason can lead you astray. Wishful thinking? You suspect a partner is “cheating” on you, but you ignore your suspicions because you don’t want to believe it of them, and again find that you were right all along.
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Reggie what’s the problem? Did Peter hit too close to home? He’s not only not creepy, but he’s dead-on. Shaving is the thing that’s creepy – making women look like a 5-year old. Sick.
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Steve Sailer has speculated that “charismatic” masculine men, the kind who become great leaders and whom other men admire for their masculinity, are more likely to have this quality, these mirror neurons (though I don’t think he uses that phrase) than nerds, and thus are, paradoxically, somewhat more feminine, at least internally, than nerds are.
People who have this “mirror neuron” capacity to a high degree may sometimes fail to observe human “issues” even when these are right under their noses.
I had thought that the inability to “read between the lines” when dealing with people, for instance the inability to grasp the real meaning of what people are saying or to pick up on nonverbal clues, is mainly a nerd characteristic.
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We perceive the world not as it is, but as we are.
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We are human beings not human doings.
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I had thought that the inability to “read between the lines” when dealing with people, […], is mainly a nerd characteristic.
I believe that if we go along with Sailer’s thought, nerds are men with masculine minds (all math no fluff) and feminine personalities.
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The Enneagram of personality types is a highly intelligent and intuitive system for understanding ourselves and others that altogether removes the feminine and masculine aspects of us. Before someone accuses me of being daft, airy fairy, out of touch, or full of shit, why not check it out? It’s based on a highly esoteric (specialized) system founded on mathematics, sound, astrology, alchemy, the table of elements, etc. One of the greatest scientific minds of all time P.D Ouspensky along with George Gurdjieff-a great mystic-set out to prove the system. Ouspensky betrayed Gurdjieff and the proof was never completed. Highly recommended, highly intelligent, and if anyone here wants to call it pop-psych, clap-trap, bullshit, they simply don’t know what they’re talking about. I put a link on one of the other posts for anyone who’s interested. Yes, I do repeat myself–another accurate accusation. So what? It takes repetitition to learn anything in my experience.
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Just to clarify – I was trying to say that even people whose intuition is highly developed may choose to ignore their intuitions about a particular situation out of wishful thinking, or out of the desire to be fair (i.e. they lack evidence for their suspicions). The reason I put so much emphasis on this is that I’ve been guilty of both, at various times in my life. Not wise. If you have strong intuitions about people (and you’ll know if you do), you should take them seriously.
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I’ve had similar experiences Clio, which leads me to think that what we call intuition is a form of intelligence, one in which the conclusion presents itself without the logic trail being consciously delineated. Of course it doesn’t hold up well to third-party scrutiny, so it isn’t so often that one can convince others to act on one’s own hunches. But, hey, I’ll take whatever helps me.
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Reggie what’s the problem? Did Peter hit too close to home? He’s not only not creepy, but he’s dead-on. Shaving is the thing that’s creepy – making women look like a 5-year old. Sick.
Well thank you!
I remember Sarah Jessica Parker used to leave her bra on for her Sex and the City sex scenes.
No doubt because she didn’t want to show her hooters, and was a big enough star to get her way.
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39, alias clio: “If you have strong intuitions about people (and you’ll know if you do), you should take them seriously.”
Agreed, hindsight can be painfully 20/20. Unfortunately my intuition has not been strong enough at times, so the question is how to strengthen it? It takes first hearing that little inner voice, making it louder and having the courage to take heed regardless of what anyone in the world feels or thinks about that. No one knows better than we do, what is best for us. We’ve had our intuition de-emphasized at great cost to our happiness.
General curiosity question: What are your honest views on homosexuality? Hillary bashing not withstanding. I am not anti and was just curious.
Any manly advice for a woman putting herself back on the market? Besides the bush trimming.
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Yup, you guys are right. I’m actually kind of surprised I said something people agreed with.
I know of no way to improve intuition. I use what little I have and tend to disregard logic when it comes to dealing with people. But if you’re not born with it, you’ll never be good with it any more than if you’re not born with the talent for calculus you can become good at it.
Homosexuality: They can do whatever they want, I don’t care. Lesbians tend to be hostile to men for a variety of reasons (the male gaze, politics, etc.) and so I wouldn’t vote for one. But they can get married and adopt kids as far as I’m concerned, as can gay men. I’m not a traditional Christian.
I’m not sure Hillary’s gay, either. From what I gather she was genuinely pissed Clinton cheated on her, and she does seem to have picked a real alpha male. I think she’s a Margaret Thatcher of the left.
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I’ve looked into a lot of these personality typing systems, and the Enneagram does describe some people very well. I’m a pretty classic Observer(5), for example. The thing is, I’m not sure it describes everybody. Gurdjieff, who was probably a very intuitive guy, saw nine types of people over and over again, and described them very well. But I’m not sure he described all the possible types of people.
My personal favorite is the five-factor model, which involves five qualities you can have more or less of, and if you take every possibility gives you 32 types. (Similar to the MBTI but with neuroticism added as another axis.) But that’s too many for most people to remember at once, so it doesn’t catch on. Gurdjieff was probably pushing it with 9.
There’s an interesting dilemma here. Gurdjieff was relying on his intuition, which was probably very good, but he couldn’t build it into an effective system because he wasn’t nerdy enough. But of course no nerd would have been intuitive enough to make those observations in the first place! So you’d need 2 people to do it, and they might have difficulty understanding each other’s language.
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Any manly advice for a woman putting herself back on the market? Besides the bush trimming.
With typical obliviousness, I ignored the question you really cared about. 😉
Unfortunately, I can only tell you how to pick up nerds. This is easy but probably not what you’re looking for. You have to be female and with a BMI under 35. Then you ask one of us out.
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SFG: You’re an observer? How delightful. Nerds rule in my household. My daughter is a five w/four and you sound like a five w/six wing. I’m an eight w/nine wing which puts my stress point at five (I’m sure you already know this) so I have a fair amt. of nerd too. Generally I get along famously with fives and the only time I ever really wanted to steal one of my girlfriends husbands; he was a five. My web designer is a five w/four wing and I find him most delightful. Relish in your fivedom! The true genius’ of the Enneagram. Personally I find the Enneagram extremely helpful. It’s complex and fluid enough to describe such a huge percentage of people, though I agree it may not be 100%. Have studied it for at least about seven years. How extensively did you get into it? Have you read “In Search of the Miraculous” by Ouspensky? It would take a genius to understand it. I tried and found it interesting but had to skip many parts of it.
I’m really showing my ignorance here (can almost here the derision) but WTF is BMI?
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Any manly advice for a woman putting herself back on the market?
1) Seek advice from a happily married woman, or a younger single woman whop does well with men.
2) Be nice. Being a bitch will draw masochists to you.
3) Keep the weight off
4) Look clean
5) Be yourself
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SFT: “There’s an interesting dilemma here. Gurdjieff was relying on his intuition, which was probably very good, but he couldn’t build it into an effective system because he wasn’t nerdy enough.”
Have you checked out the Don Richard Riso books on the Enneagram? He is a five himself, and in my opinion has done an amazing job of making the system understandable. I’m going to be obnoxiously repetitive here & post the link for the 3rd time just in case. Hehe. http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
Was reading Wiki, and I knew that Ouspensky–who was the nerd genius, Gurdjieff needed-betrayed him, but forgot why. Apparently Ouspensky lost trust in him because he couldn’t UNDERSTAND him. Which only proves the point that no matter the level of genius; if something is unknowable through analytical means you’re destined to fail. Einstein hit a wall and became mystical himself.
Never heard of the five-factor model, but hesitate at this time to get into it. I already have 10 books on my bedside table. Time to get a boyfriend. 😀
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Seek advice from a happily married woman, or a younger single woman whop does well with men.
I’ll add that the best advice for you will probably come from a plain, not too attractive woman, who nevertheless does well with men.
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47 PA, Don’t mean to monopolize the boards (much) but just saw your post and wanted to respond.
1. “Seek advice from the happily married.” Great advice, though I don’t know anyone personally who’s marriage I envy, I do look for happy couples all the time when out and about. Love when I see a man and woman obviously in sync. Do you watch the Food Network? I adore Giada DeLaurentis’ husband. They seem to have a really nice marriage.
2. “Be nice.” In my world it goes without saying, but know that many women are bitches from the get go. If you mean though; be passive, that of course can go against #5 “be yourself” for some of us more dynamic types.
3. “Keep the weight off.” Aye, aye. Men are visual animals and it looks and feels good to be fit.
4. “Look clean.” Yes, physically squeaky and not whorish..I imagine that’s what you’re saying. Am bit of a grooming freak and clothes must fit (but not too tight or revealing).
5. “Be yourself.” A big challenge for all of us, but what is the point of seeking a relationship if you can’t eventually just be yourself in one? I’d rather be alone than put on a front.
Thank you.
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Nikita, thinking about the future is bound to ruin it. Worrying about the future is surely going to to ruin it. Why don’t you just take it one day at a time? Then the sexual enjoyment will continue.
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49 PA: I am sorry about my previous hostilities. We see the world as we are not as it is and I was pretty fucked up, but am over it, thank Jesus. Anger often expresses vulnerability.
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BMI=Body Mass Index. Your weight divided by the square of your height, which more or less estimates how wide you are. (Think about it.) You become medically overweight at 25 and obese at 30. Below 20 you are underweight.
I’d dig my 5-dom if it wasn’t such a killer at job interviews. I have to admit the lack of women doesn’t bother me that much; I’m not attracted to most of them anyway. No, really; a woman who isn’t reasonably bright fails to attract me. (I’m estimating an IQ of 120 or so; not that I ask for scores or anything!)
Maybe 5 women are the wrong thing and I should go after another #, 8 or 2 or something. It is funny how many women claim to love nerds on the Internet but I never meet any in real life. Then again, surfing the web you’d think Star Wars was the most popular movie in the world, so it’s probably just sample bias.
5-factor model’s easy. You have more or less of each of the five factors, they’re independent; think of them like height, eye color, favorite ice cream flavor, or any other uncorrelated variables. They include extroversion, agreeableness (niceness), conscientiousness (organization), neuroticism (worrying), and open-mindedness (artists and scientists have this, managers and salesmen don’t.)
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53 SFG: Believe it or not, fives and twos are a common match up. My web designer is in a pretty serious relationship with a two. Definitely a case of opposites attracting and both bringing something valuable and missing to the other. I can see how eight and five would work. Fives aren’t intimidated by eights, being that they can admit to and/or freely express anger themselves. Both are independent and allow the other freedom and alone time, but can still stay connected. Both are sexual and enjoy intellectual pursuits. My daughter and I get along wonderfully most of the the time. The Enneagram studies help us understand the other. Self knowledge is key I believe. We have so many fixations and areas of self sabotage even WITH a degree of self awareness.
Here’s a link that matches up Enneagram types. You have to sign up (Give them your email address. They won’t bug you.) in order to get the negative aspects of the different compatabilities. It sounds like you may already have the knowledge, though.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/matrix.asp
Don’t think I did the BMI thing correctly. I am 5’4″ and 118 lbs.
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5-factor model
There’s a website that has a survey which purportedly measures these five factors:
http://www.yourmorals.org/bigfive_process.php
My score:
3.5 Openness
3.9 Conscientiousness
3.9 Extraversion
3.0 Agreeableness
3.5 Neuroticism
I think my scoring is way off for Extraversion, but it’s true if it takes into account my online activities, too.
SFG: Most nerdy guys who are in steady relationships usually have a woman who is a bit “off” in some way — she’s foreign, a wallflower, or a bit nerdy herself. Most of the women claiming to love nerdy guys are already taken by one, otherwise she would be claiming to love/hate “all” men. As for real life, women don’t usually tell others the types of men they’re into, unless it’s among friends.
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BMI needs to have the weight in kilograms and the height in metres.
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Jane: Reggie what’s the problem? Did Peter hit too close to home? He’s not only not creepy, but he’s dead-on. Shaving is the thing that’s creepy – making women look like a 5-year old. Sick.
Assuming that you’re not a sock puppet, you’re an idiot. Let’s say for the sake of argument that you’re a woman has your name indicates: Have you ever been attracted to or, God forbid, slept with a man with a clean-shaven face? Because you’re a pedophile if you have, if you follow your and Peter’s claim to its logical conclusion; that is, if a person is attracted to someone who is otherwise obviously mature but has removed one of their secondary sex characteristics — pubic (or armpit, for that matter) hair in the woman’s case, facial hair in the man’s — it somehow implies that they’re pedophiles. That’s stupid.
If you don’t like shaving, that’s fine. But don’t try to vilify people who do. (Incidentally, I don’t have much of a preference one way or the other. I just can’t stand a line of argument so ridiculous on its face.)
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Hahahahahah….ahhhh
Need a New Paradigm for Falling in Love…
“How does one fall in love in one’s late 30’s, when one’s head is full of mortgage payments, favorite restaurants, and past ex’s? What does it mean to fall in love?”
http://ask.metafilter.com/80888/Need-a-paradigm-for-falling-in-love
A new paradigm for falling in love!
Trends… I sees them.
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which ones let you spit in their mouths?
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@53 SFG
“BMI=Body Mass Index. Your weight divided by the square of your height, which more or less estimates how wide you are. (Think about it.) You become medically overweight at 25 and obese at 30. Below 20 you are underweight.”
Well, its a seriously flawed system of measurement (at least for men) as it is incapable of discerning the difference between weight from fat tissue or muscle tissue.
8x time Mr Olympia. Lee Haney 1984 — 1991
8x Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman 1998 — 2005
7x Mr. Olympia Arnold Schwarzenegger 1970 — 1975, 1980
6x Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates 1992 — 1997
are all Morbidly obese according to BMI and would need critical diet, and exercise regimens to stave off a heart attack, stroke and other health challenges.
I prefer a better standard, that is more helpful.
(% of body = fat )
GI Jane (movie) had a navy seal criticizing the average female because she was over 25% body fat. Has the US woman really gotten that fat? Or is holywood off its binge/purge rocker?
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SovereignAmericanMale,
Only a very small percentage of men can be a Brock Lesnar or Davey Boy Smith.
Forget that 0.1% of men for this article. And most women don’t like body-builder types. The big necks are a turnoff.
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Love the site and I know no one will read this this far past its posting, but I wanted to put this out. There is most certainly a trend and I would go so far as age brackets, with the only variations from the norm coming from exceptionally mature girls, foreign chicks, or females who have had some kind of trauma or life changing experience (good or bad). Other than that they ALWAYS have fallen into these categories for me everytime. Also, since I had about a two year period where I thought cougars and older chicks were the business I might be able to expand on your list a bit.
I am 30 now and so that this is not seen as some list viewed over my ageing (all of these women were in the last 3 years) I will try to give an example for each.
1) 18-20 “The shy but shameless years.”
Not quite old enough to completely know the club scene, nor do they even comprehend how effective game is, yet due to age or daddy still being always on the mind they are often a tough nut to crack. Even when you do, the sex is mild and any variation (i.e. kink) is viewed as perversion. However if you stay longer than 2 weeks they become game for almost anything especially if they view you as worldly.
Ex. 18 year old friend of my younger sister. She didn’t know my sister long enough for it to be creepy, but still taboo enough to excite her. Met her for first time when I went home for Christmas. We partied at her apartment with some of her friends and my sister. My sister left and that night I had the easiest closing ever. I found a porno in her roomies VCR and decided to jokingly play it in front of her. Started rubbing on her shoulders and then chest. Doggy ensued. I cleaned up and then left in the morning. We haven’t spoken since.
2) 21-22 “Prime college/I’m an adult now years.”
They know they are hot but have nothing but tv happy endings and distorted views of happiness in the world. If you can play into any number of her ridiculous fantasies you are in. If you are in reality absoltely perfect i.e. gorgeous, good job, lot of friends, but don’t fit the mold through your words and actions, good luck.
Ex. 21 year old co-ed was in my econ class when I came back to school for my last year after starting a business for several years. At least two guys in my class were better looking, more her age, trendy college dress, not even a word back to them. I told her that I study better at my office since it is quiet and no one will bother me cause it’s my company. The allure of a man of the world with even slight power was enough to get her there. Once we talked about my travelling around Japan and Europe for business it was too easy. Best BJ I ever got. We fooled around for a month and then went our own ways.
3) 23 – “Nobody tells me what to do/I can do what I want years.”
Also known as girls gone wild. No more college for most of them and living on daddy’s credit card in low entry level jobs. Hence they live to party and club. This is the weird age where the reverse of 21-22 kicks in. They still want the fantasy guy, only later. For now they are almost nostalgic for the college guys. The nights out with a ballcap wearing doofus who sports ABercrombie and Fitch. Take them to a theatre or fine restaurant and they get bored and uncomfortable. Take them to a frat party or the beach and they go crazy. This makes it easy for you or at least easy for the guy she bunks with that night.
Ex. – girl who worked in a bank was surprisingly sweet and said all the “right things” but once you dug a little deeper it was surprising how low her self esteem was and how high in number and indescriminate her partner list was. Took her to a sports bar for drinks then hit up a sushi bar before taking her for a walk around my old college campus (I live 5 blocks from my old school). Didn’t even have to ask twice to get her home with me. Intentionally fooled around with no sex for 3 hours before falling asleep. The next day she asked me to go out to dinner with her and another couple that were her friends. Threw herself at me and we dated for about 3 months. Sex was surpisingly bad. Wants to seem worldy in bed for you without actually wanting to do anything to prove this other than retarded porno gags like spit in my mouth because one off her former lovers probably though it was funny and she thinks its expected.
24-25 – “I really desperately want a life partner/LTR but in no way could I even tolerate to be in one years.”
These are often the hottest chicks that will cause us men to go astray if we don’t stay focused. They still go clubbing from time to time and if in a group can get wild but are wanting a taste of the refined, not so pick-ed up fling. A top end bar for 25-35 year old white collar works well. They have SO much drama in their lives and it is vitally important. If you in any way are able to aid her in one of these dilemas (sp?) you are in. She will repeatedly say things like “Can I keep you”. “I don’t want this to be just one night” “You have to call me tomorrow.” Sex is often very very good though there is a certain inevitability to it. After one or two nights she will get a bit distant, but still contact you repeatedly as to wash off the stank of it. If you want to keep her around you have to constantly use game. If you slip you will never recover. Do it right and you can get away with almost anything.
Ex. I met a girl who worked at Hooters ( yeah I know, but it wasn’t in Hooters). We had good conversation and she asked me if I wanted to come meet her and some of her friends at a MExican place around five for drinks. I was in the office at the time. I said I’ll see if I’m not busy. About 6 I go to the MExican restaurant where her and 4 of her “coworkers” were having drinks and no dinner. Heaven forbid they actually eat in public. I still had my suit minus the tie on and I sat down and started drinking and ignoring her but focused on the smartest one in the group. She started poking my leg playfullty under the table and after about three hours of this one of her friends got so sick drunk she threw up on the patio deck. This girl was her cousin and she was also underrage so when she called her parent to come over and get her, they literally yelled at her in front of everyone. She was upset so when we left I told her I’d drive her. We wound up going to my place and in about thirty minutes it was done. She slept over that night and the following. She wanted to do something a week later for Halloween but I couldn’t make it since I was patching things up with my girlfriend. Texting infrequently went on for over a month but we never went out again.
26-29 “Married, or has a child, or has a career, all desperately wanting what’s lacking in their lives years”
This is the depressing bunch. They are still generally really hot, but have enough baggage to fill an airline. They got married too early or to the wrong guy. They have a child or many children often by different men or from different races and wonder why no one asks them out or why the only ones who do are low account idiots who only want sex. The relationships they avoided just a few years back with quality partners are now what they crave even with lesser guys. Not quite to the point of putting out for anyone who gives them the time of day, they still have yet to mature past the point of fantasy. While some may have pretty decent guys at home, the fact that he isn’t taking her to Rome this very minute or he likes to watch football on Sundays instead of taking her to the ballet makes her feel like she made a horrible mistake that she is stuck with the rest of her life. She is often aghast at the idea of anyone cheating on their partner, but at the first tingle from a new interesting guy she will literally leave her home, husband, and even kids to “see where it goes”. Sex is often bordering on sadness when they realize how much of a slut they’ve turned into.
Ex. A 28 year old who I thought was cute and knew she had two kids went out to dinner with me one night. She was constantly trying to reconnect with the ex but had no clue how terrible that relationship was nor how much play that guy was getting now that he was free of her and watching the kids. Deep down she hated being with him but the weight of society and her lack of options made her rationalize getting back with him if possible. I literally went caveman on her in bed simply cause we knew it was a pump and dump and something mean inside me wanted her to realize how stupid she was. I’m really not a bad guy, but it is what it is. She sent me love notes for 6 months after this and I finally had to tell her to flat out leave me alone since my non-responses weren’t getting through to her. All this was going on while I know of at least three other guys she has been through in that period alone, one was even her best friends husband. No regrets.
30-32 “Prime game vs. pleasure ratio years.”
when that magic number hits 30 and they are not married they slowly begin to lose their minds. Even amateur game begins to work. The lower she sees herself income/status wise (and at this age they begin to see themselves in this quasi-masculine way) the quicker it is to score and the raunchier sex will be. If you play even moderate game, she will fall in love with you and do anything to keep you around. Notice I don’t say keep you happy; I said keep you around. Subtle, but not so slight difference. You can go out all night with buddies, not contact her for three days, have girlfriends on the side in not so unobvious ways and she will still buy the lamest coverup lie. She still wants to be treated like a princess, but any attempt to do this makes her even more clingy. If you keep a safe distance, are nice enough to not crush her, and make sure you are the man at all times, you can have a nice little F.B. for almost as long as you want. At this point you don’t even have to worry about what they are doing on the side as all they think about is you.
Ex. I had a 30 and 31 year old going constantly for about 6 months while I continued to basically live my life however the hell I wanted. They lived about 40 miles apart so it helped when I was with one on the weekend and then the other a few times during the week. It was not uncommon to be in number 1s bed on Friday morning and then in number 2s bed that same night. NEVER bring them to your place ever or they will drive by on a whim. Sex was often very crappy as they weren’t as hot and were usually hung up about things. IF you don’t feel like you have the best game in town but you want to have multiple F.B.s, start your harem with a few of these until you get into the swing of things. Sometimes a comfortable place, subservient sex, and no attachments or consequences is better than nothing.
33-38 “If I’m not married yet or unhappy I have a right to fuck whatever I want, but please keep marriage in mind mister years.”
This can literally be heaven if you find a woman who has kept herself up. She will often initiate sex. She will often be more than fine with being F.B.s. She will move to be near you if you want or she will simply go away if you command her to. She is used to pump and dumps, crappy one night stands, and is grateful that you are not the fat old man hitting on her that she will eventually settle down with for pure societal pressure/financial reasons. ANY sex act is on the menu. You will often not want to be seen in public with her unless you are near her age, but neither will she. She is past the point of despair and has now bought into the woman’s empowerment thing whole-heartedly as a defense mechanism. If you cheat on her she will move on because she now has unlimited options since her dating floor is literally anything that says hello. Never go longer than a week with one unless it is your kink or you feel like you have no other options. Sex is insane. It isn’t earth shaking like with a mid-20s. But if you ever wanted to direct your own porno or have a woman do anything you want this is the spot. The sheer amazement at what is going on will make up for the fact that there is no connection and that she isn’t exceptionally good at it. If she starts stalking you you fucked up brother.
Ex. Several. I was in a Ruby Tuesday. At 4:30. On a Thursday. And this former blond beauty (38) sat by me at the bar, talked dirty to me and wound up at my place for THREE days. Still had a great figure, but ISSUES. Oh my lord. She strip teased me in her thong. I fucked the hell out of her. Put it in her ass and came all over her face whenever I felt like it. She kept saying “Love, Love and trying to bite me. Her phone died out so like an idiot I let her use mine. The next morning her 18 year old son calls me to ask to speak to her while I am driving her back to the restaurant parking lot. She texted me a few days later to say not to call her as she was patching things up with her fiancee.
Another one (37) was a nurse with a kid. The first night we went to my place, no dinner, nothing and well you know. I kept her along while I had my other girls going. We agreed solely to be F.B.s When I felt she was getting too attached and wanted me to hang out with her kid, I said that we need to call it quits and that I had met someone else. She cried a bit and then insisted that we do it one last time. She had never let me do anal but this time begged me to do it, I assume in the hope of me not leaving. I have never pounded a girl that hard before. Still broke it off. A month later she called to say she didn’t care if I was seeing other people. We only did anal the rest of the time we were together (3 months).
Over 40 haven’t done and do not plan on it. Once you go over 30 for too long you forget what it’s like to actually be moved and stirred during sex. Kink takes hold and starts to screw with you. My girl is 23 and I’m quite happy. Haven’t even been with anyone else for like 5 months, but I hope this helps. Remember despite what you might read here, game is here to make your youthful pursuits more doable and fruitful. It’s so you can have fun and learn through experience. Do not apologize if you actually find someone you like and settle down. However never forget the female psychological make-up. If you command it properly you will have a lifetime of satisfaction, even if it is with only your wife. Thanks for reading.
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Wow, some comment gems even on these old posts. Thanks, castricv.
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