This made me laugh.
A female friend and I were at dinner recently when we both admitted something that, under normal circumstances, would get us kicked out of the female species.
Neither of us thought less of Tom Brady for having a baby outside of wedlock with Bridget Moynahan while juggling a burgeoning relationship with supermodel Gisele Bundchen.
Scientists are baffled!
But this is just part of what makes Brady amazing. He is that rare celebrity who isn’t judged by whom or how he dates because his accomplishments, coolness, elegance and good looks are too overwhelming.
I wrote about the basic truths of human nature and the loose concept of morality that everyone follows whether they admit it or not:
Sexually attractive people can get away with more. And they will have more willing apologists excusing their actions.
Mothers of murderers will defend their wicked spawn right to the bitter end. Feminists will stay silent when Bill Clinton ravages interns and humiliates his wife. And women will give a free pass to star quarterbacks who abandon their pregnant girlfriends for supermodels.
Lesson: You can get away with a lot if you do it with style.
i agree. a pretty face can let you get away with things in the short-term. but you think this is “getting away with a lot”? only if you take it as the end game. how many star quarterbacks get the “free pass” once they break the unmendable body part and their career is over? and would hillary have a shot-in-the-dark chance at the wh if she had left bill – who do you think she loves more, herself or bill?
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Nohting new. Star athletes are producing illegitimate children at quite a fast pace. I believe even Sports Illustrated has run articles critical of this behavior.
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The women quoted in the beginning are telling half-truths. What they’re really thinking is that they’d gladly be impregnated and abandoned by Tom Brady.
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ps – no one thinks any less of hally berry for getting impregnating by some hot younger supermodel out of wedlock to have the baby she’s always wanted. and guaranteed she’ll find another guy once she’s done with him. liz hurley managed to score her indian prince even while bouncing her illegitimate child on her hip…
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Clinton’s not a very good example of “getting away with it”. He got publicly humiliated and his reputation will never really recover. His wife is tainted by her association with him. Women’s groups stuck with him because of the abortion issue – that great corrupter of American public life. (And yes, I know no body here agrees with me. So sue me.) Anyway, not all of them did stand by him: several state chapters broke away from NOW because of Clinton’s behaviour.
JFK is a better example of “getting away with it”.
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Alias Clio – I am going to respectfully disagree with you on the Clinton issue.
Now, full disclosure — I was Clinton-drunk, too. He was intoxicating. As someone who would never cheat with a married man, that situation would have definitely challenged my willpower.
I didn’t “forgive” him, per se, but I certainly gave him a yard pass. I don’t put up with cheaters. I don’t. But Bill — he did so much for our country. He was the true embodiment of Camelot. JFK would have had the same public humiliation had he lived to face it. I hate myself for holding Bill Clinton to a different standard, but I don’t think it’s his attractiveness that did it. It’s his power. His track record. His charisma.
I think Clinton recovered from that situation as well as anyone could. He is and will always be America’s darling. He is off fixing countries with who was once his nemesis. He is supporting his wife who supported him. People don’t even talk about Monica anymore. His humiliation was fleeting. And now it has past.
Shame on America? Perhaps.
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Brady’s girl pulled the goalie on him, that’s a lot more complicated than just some out of wedlock child.
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It’s important to note as well that “sexually attractive” is not just good looks. When you’re a guy, having power and lots or wealth or alpha swagger also qualifies as “sexually attractive.” With women, though, sexual attractiveness usually boils down to appearance.
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well i think he’s an arse.
agree to disagree
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It merely looks like they’re getting away with something. In reality, no one gets away with anything. In reality they’re getting it worse. This is deep, O.K.? I doubt seriously anyone here is going to understand one iota what I’m trying to say, but even more would be lost in the translation if that’s possible.
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She is the one responsible here. They dated for 3 years – come on at that point condoms do not exist in love making. The woman is the one that takes on the responsiblity of birth control. Just as they were having issues, she gets pregnant? Her timing would never pass in a court of law. Hey, Tom is quite a catch for a no name d-lister like Moynahan so I can actually feel for her desperation to keep him. However, I do applaude Brady for making the right decision by moving on. Better for a child to come from a broken home than to live in one. If he didn’t love her enough to marry her after 3 years and a pregnancy, then it was never going to happen for him/them. Sure, it had to suck to see your A-lister, hottie, shiney, golden boy boyfriend hook up so quickly and seriously with THE Top Model of the World in Gisele, but thems the breaks. Men as A-quality at Tom Brady do not stay on the open market long. She did this as a last ditch effort to keep him. Ultimately she gambled and lost! It happens. But she being so upset over not getting him back and then losing him to Gisele acted out very immaturely by moving her baby 3000 miles away, not only from Tom- the Daddy, but her own parents who live just 30 minutes from Tom Brady in Massachusetts. When she then put that infant of 5 weeks on the cover of OK! she lost me completely. Any ounce of sympathy I had for her in losing Tom Brady was gone! That and naming the baby Moynahan were just poor decision. Just like her poor decision to plan this pregnancy in the first place. Overall, most people know what happened here, Tom was taken by the lure of his ex with break up sex – he is a man after all. She got the baby, not the man. He is doing what he can 3000 miles away to be a Daddy, but being a professional athlete and traveling 3000 miles cannot be easy or even responsible to the team he is under contract for. Moynahan knows this and her bitterness is hurting their son. I think Tom Brady will do the best he can and will not rock the boat with her to keep the peace, but one thing she can count on, is Tom wanted that child in his life more and more as he goes from an infant to toddler to little boy to boy to adult. John is a lucky boy to have at least one outstanding responsible parent!
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Loyalty, integrity, intelligence, sweetness and cuteness (big adorable eyes and a pug nose, swoon) are what attract me. Especially hot is a man who knows true love and stays true to it.
Who is Tom Brady? Matt Damon is the best and only guy in Hollywood I even look twice at. He married a 30-something divorced non-famous woman (she’s Argentine) with a kid already because he fell in love with her. No scandals about cheating, and in his latest interviews he talks about how he loves being a new father.
I’ve liked Matt Damon since before I met my husband, but my husband reminds me quite a bit of him… My husband is kind to animals and children and has such a big heart. He laughs easily and makes a lot of jokes, a slightly crooked grin and has laugh pockets underneath his eyes much like Damon does. And they both like Howard Zinn.
I don’t understand women who are into “scumbag” men. Such a waste of time. Part of the reason why so many men keep running into women who like “cads” is because they act in such ways to attract them. Principles of assortive mating and all that.
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Oops, assortative mating.
Lesson: Tom Brady’s kid will grow up without a father whereas Matt Damon’s kids will grow up in a loving family.
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10 Kelli:
“Sure, it had to suck to see your A-lister, hottie, shiney, golden boy boyfriend hook up so quickly and seriously with THE Top Model of the World in Gisele, but thems the breaks. ”
Sorry, Kelli, but to at least one poster here you (and our host) seem highly unintelligent. You’re confirming roissy’s take that this Brady creep is some kind of super hero alpha role model???? Methinks you both watch way too much television. Tom Brady is a politician. Giselle what’s-her-name is a model. Wow. I am so impressed. In fact I’m almost speechless with envy. Get a grip. You and roissy are made for each other. Two immature, delusional, naive, media hypnotized…..ummm, I ran out of superlatives.
This is not to say he should have stayed with said knocked up girlfriend. Just that the whole thing is pathetic and certain people are just not smart enough to decipher that.
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roissy: “You can get away with a lot if you do it with style.”
I repeat….delusional. Style? What exactly is ‘style’? Is having oodles of ‘style’ something you aspire to, roissy?
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Anon
Wait, Tom brady is a politician? WTF?
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One time I was walking down the street here in DC and the two girls behind me were discussing how Matt Leinart got some girl pregnant right before he left USC. One girl said, “How awesome is that, that is, like, a $25 million pay day”. Athletes are seen as studs and pay days to many women, though probably not in this case as she makes her own money. It sounds like she just wanted to keep the most desirable man in the US.
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NY Times did a piece this past weekend comparing the persona of Brady and Manning to earlier quarterbacks, Namath, Staubach, & Montana. Namath was a playboy while Staubach & Montana were straight laced guys that married their highschool sweethearts. The article concludes rather astonishingly, that their personal lives were somehow connected to their professional success – Montana won four superbowls, Staubach won two superbowls, and Namath only one and that this was predictive of Sunday’s game.
However, I concluded that the journalist, Allen Salkin was either gay or just another AFC.
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15 Virgle Kent:
Thank you for pointing our my error! At least you can see that I’m not a hypocrite when I accuse others of being hypnotized by the media! I thought I heard somewhere he was a politician. Come to find out he’s a big shot football player. Doesn’t change my opinion though. 😀
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Anon,
No problem, FYI: Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight…. just saying
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19 Virgle: Got it. You’re very funny. You may be one of the more intelligent here. It takes more than facts, but I’ll be sure to arm myself better next time. It’s why people don’t take me seriously; I can be seriously (and shamelessly) daft. ;D
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Hope: dont think Matt Damon doesnt have trim on the side. wake up.
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#13 anonymous:
You’re sort of hurting your claim to be anyone’s intellectual superior when you use four interrogative marks in a row. That doesn’t say “emphatic, passionate inquiry”; it says “free period before gym when I surf the web and try to look smart.” Try making cogent arguments instead of accusing anyone you disagree with of being stupid.
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Kelli, birth control methods do fail. It’s possible that she got herself knocked up to trap the guy, but it’s also just as possible it’s an “oops” baby.
If a man has ANY reason to believe his partner isn’t on steady birth control (and if they were broken up at the time and engaging in ex sex, that’s plenty reason), he should wear a condom. C’mon guys, if you don’t want to be stuck with child support payments for the next 18 years, take a little tiny shred of responsibility! Yeah, women have to bear the brunt, because there’s no male pill yet, but…really, just wear a friggin’ condom already.
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Can any of you people that hate Roissy actually argue the points he raised without getting arguing emotively and just look at the logic behind them?
He’s right on the money when he says that sexually attractive men & women can get away with a whole lot more. Debating whether Roissy is a great guy or whether Tom Brady is a great guy is another matter altogether.
On the subject of Bridgette vs Giselle. I personally feel this is more of a wash. Bridgette could have been a model with her height and high cheek bones. I doubt most men would think Giselle is that much prettier, if at all, than Bridgette, especially if they didn’t know Giselle was a supermodel.
But, I think Bridgette did well for herself, too. She’s in her late 30s. How many guys with looks, money, and athletics like Tom is she going to find at this point in her life? She produced a son who very probably has outstanding genes for race (I’m not white, but I’m trying to be objective about this), athletics, facial appearance, and possibly even intelligence. Granted, the kid may not have his biological father living with him, he’ll have so many other genetic and environmental advantages most of us would love to have, however. Tom did pretty well, too. By all accounts, he wanted this kid, even if he didn’t want the Mom anymore. Having the kid has obviously not hurt his standing with other women. I’m not even sure being a single Mom has really hurt Bridgette because the rules for the rich and famous in Hollywood are different than the rest of us.
All in all, a win- win situation. Bridgette has such outstanding genes, Tom should think about knocking her up again. She may bitch for a while but she’ll ultimately like the results. BTW, same thing for Brittney. K- Fed is a loser with respect to career issues, but he had outstanding genes. Brittney’s kids will thank her when they are older. For men or women, beauty is the gift that keeps on giving.
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I don’t get why people are even debating this. Forget about the super rich and celebrities. I’m sure everyone on this list has seen their more attractive coworker/friend/relative get special benefits and are treated better than them. It’s really not that complicated, we elected a president, Warren Harding, becuase he was good looking. This is not a phenomenon, good looks and height are as important as being raised wealthy with regards to predicting future success.
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22 Reggie:
“Try making cogent arguments instead of accusing anyone you disagree with of being stupid.”
Do I have to? I think you’re asking me to do something beyond my ability or desire.
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22 Reggie. I’m not anyone’s intellectual superior. Not at all. Nor do I want to be. It’s not my playing field. There’s as much difference between intellect and intelligence as there is between knowledge and wisdom. Whether I’m more wise or not is debatable, because after all, I’m spending time blogging here when I would probably be better off doing something else, like making the bed.
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…really, just wear a friggin’ condom already.
Nah. If you use it correctly, the pill has a 1 in 1000 couples per year failure rate.
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html
So there is in fact a very low chance of pregnancy with these kinds of birth control.
And if she gets pregnant she can get an easy abortion. No big deal.
Better than a lifetime of shitty, latexy, substandard sex.
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Reggie: Here’s an example from retard (no pun intended). Check this out. It’s an intellectual example of extreme lack of intelligence. Unfortunately it takes an intelligent person to ‘get’ how stupid this is. One could counter this with another intellectual argument and both arguments would be equally stupid.
“Bridgette has such outstanding genes, Tom should think about knocking her up again. She may bitch for a while but she’ll ultimately like the results. BTW, same thing for Brittney. K- Fed is a loser with respect to career issues, but he had outstanding genes. Brittney’s kids will thank her when they are older. For men or women, beauty is the gift that keeps on giving.”
Are you getting this? The whole thing is just so stupid. I think that’s why I hang out here. It’s unbelievable sometimes. 😀
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Rain And, the operating phrase is “if you use it correctly.” “Perfect use” statistics don’t really count for average people, who don’t take the Pill at the exact same time every day and so on. (Really, being on the Pill is like having one of those really demanding persnickety little dogs. Or a baby or something.)
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Also, my hometown is full of K-Feds, and, no, their genes are nothing to write home about. Blech.
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K-Fed’s more attractive than Tom Brady. Brady’s “blandly handsome”, and too tall.
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Shannon, the operating phrase is “average people”. The kind of girls I choose for long term relationships aren’t so goddamned stupid they can’t remember to take a pill.
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Yeah, looks go a long way. But Flavio Briatore proves that (for dudes) money and charisma are where it’s at.
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Rain And, the operating phrase is “goddamned stupid,” because I suppose in your mind the Pill is this sort of magic candy with no side effects whatsoever.
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Shannon, the operating phrase is “remember to”. As in “remember to” do something one has already committed ones self to.
The bottom line is that if you are a man in a long term relationship with a marginally intelligent girl who is on the pill, who you know favors abortion and doesn’t want kids*, then there is no reason to wear condoms.
The cost/benefit calculation is overwhelmingly on the side of the happy penis.
* Another good reason to date young and upwardly mobile college-age women, instead of desperate, decaying 30 year olds, by the way: far less chance of baby-making trickery.
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“Here’s an example from retard (no pun intended). Check this out. It’s an intellectual example of extreme lack of intelligence. Unfortunately it takes an intelligent person to ‘get’ how stupid this is. One could counter this with another intellectual argument and both arguments would be equally stupid. ”
I think what is more stupid is suggesting an argument is stupid without providing explanatory evidence, aside from veiled ad hominem attacks. Then, assuming if we don’t agree with your assertion, we are the ones with the problem. I am perfectly prepared to defend my position; I guess you’re not. You may be no intellectual, but you’re no retard.
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anybody watch mtv true life? these two chicks are sisters:
http://www.mtv.com/photos/?fid=1545234&photoID=2257191
the show in question was all about sibling jealousy. guess which one was jealous of the other and for what reason. wow. the blonde chick basically made a decision to not get fat. the show was all about how the brunette was pissed about her looks and the better treatment society (esp. men) gave her prettier sister. for example, the sister gets asked to go on a tour bus with a band after a concert. in this picture, the sister is basically allowed to hold a sign to lure customers (mostly men) for a charity car wash while lesser attractive chicks, like her, have to actually wash the cars.
now, the funny thing is that the show presents both of them as kids. their faces look very similar as little kids. the brunette might even be dying her hair that color b/c as kids they were both blondes. in any event, the main distinguishing feature at this point is that one allowed food to be more important than most other things in life and the other one decided against this.
to her credit, the brunette was at least trying to lose the weight and hired a trainer.
to all the fatso women out there, assuming you aren’t the extremely small minority with a valid reason for being lard asses (i.e. a rare endocrine d/o, for example), why the (bleep) can’t you go to the gym and put the (bleeping) fork down?!
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“Also, my hometown is full of K-Feds, and, no, their genes are nothing to write home about. Blech.”
BS. Whatever one thinks about K- Fed as a person, he has significantly above average genes for looks, and, no, not all white boys look like him.
He normally has a stupid, wannabe rapper haircut:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/01/1993520.htm?section=entertainment
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37 retard:
What I’m saying is the entire discussion is retarded.
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Sorry retard, all this talk about genetics is just so Darwinian. Darwin was right, but so are the Creationists. Now if you can understand the truth in what I just said WITHOUT my having to explain it, you are in my opinion intelligent. The truth of life is not either Darwin OR Creationist, it’s both and it would take me way too long to explain it, not that I’m even capable. If you don’t get it intuitively; well we’re not playing on the same playground anyway, so it’s no loss for either one of us.
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Just when I lose hope in humanity, Our Lady of Perpetually Changing Handle says something that makes no sense whatsoever. And the elephants and kittens of my soul rejoice in their superior intuition and golden spirits.
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Haha, Shannon. I couldn’t agree more.
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Shannon: Yeah, that anonymous! I wish she/he would just go away and find something better to do.
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I sort of enjoy the randomness, actually. Better than the outright spittle-fueled anti-woman ranting.
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Shannon: Is that the one that used to post as “sara” or something? I thought I recognized that amazing deployment of non sequiturs and barely-concealed insanity. Now I sort of feel bad for calling her out — assuming it is a her.
As for the post, I wonder what Tom Brady would have to do to get women not to be attracted to him? Shoplift? Stab a guy with a broken bottle in a bar fight? Kill a kid while drunk-driving?
Actually, if Kobe Bryant is any indicator, he may just have to have consensual sex with a mentally unstable woman who thinks a false rape charge is her ticket to riches and notoriety. But even then, I’m sure women would still want to fuck him. I really have to get going on my plant to become a hugely successful pro quarterback.
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That should be “…plan to become….”
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I like the idea of you having a nefarious plant, Reggie. Like an evil tulip.
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Why would Tom Brady wear a condom?
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I’m quite ugly and I ravage interns on a regular basis. Does that make me gifted or some sort of exception? Maybe it’s my razor sharp wit and god-like presence.
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46 Reggie
“Now I sort of feel bad for calling her out.”
Don’t EVER feel bad for me, silly boy. I’ve gone sane in an insane world. I’m doing better than you can imagine. On the other hand, you and Shannon could use a little….something……
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Topshelf: Why would Tom Brady wear a condom?
To avoid unwanted children and the responsibility they bring. Sure, he can afford it, but it just may not be something he wants right now — and I wouldn’t blame him. STDs are also a concern, though probably not a huge one — it’s not like he’s banging random bar skanks when he can easily pull lingerie models.
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Hey Shannon, you want to see random? I got one for you…
How’s that for random???
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Ok, ok… Sorry. One more for you. Really the reason Tom Brady didn’t slip it on before he slipped it in, is because he hasn’t seen the Public Service Announcement.
Surely he wouldn’t have made that mistake if he had.
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oh my GOD. I am now afraid of condoms, what if they burst out of my nightstand drawer and start singing to me?
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#36 rain and:
The bottom line is that if you are a man in a long term relationship with a marginally intelligent girl who is on the pill, who you know favors abortion and doesn’t want kids*, then there is no reason to wear condoms.
reality check: being in control of one’s own situation >>>>> trusting someone else with one’s own situation.
always listen to everything your girlfriend says, but never allow her the chance to prove it.
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#52 reggie:
STDs are also a concern, though probably not a huge one — it’s not like he’s banging random bar skanks when he can easily pull lingerie models.
right on. because, y’know, lingerie models are so pure. i mean, everything about their being just screams ‘temperance!’ ‘modesty!’
and they have, like, superior immune systems and shit. that nasty hpv bugger doesn’t stand a chance.
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45 Shannon; now why do you think someone would change their handle? Maybe it’s to avoid being forever typecast, and to avoid the suffering of eternal damnation bestowed by others for a perceived error? Isn’t that the definition of Hell? Not a place I enjoy, so I do everything I can to avoid it and am having more and more success at that. In fact, you and Reggie have inadvertently agreed with me on many topics and vice versa. Nothing like keeping an open mind.
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johnny five: Do you really think women become lingerie models based on their sluttiness or lack thereof? No, they do it because they look good in lingerie. That’s it. Just because they’re wearing something that most of us associate with sex doesn’t mean that they’re that into sex. You’re imputing the characteristics of their work uniform on the women themselves.
In fact, I’d bet that top lingerie models actually sleep with far fewer men than your run of the mill pretty girl simply because their looks afford them the ability to be ridiculously picky about the men they sleep with. And a lower number of partners means less chance of having an STD.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but come on — who do you think would be more likely to have an STD: Gisele Bundchen the internationally famous underwear model or Amber the guidette at your average club?
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Also, maybe some people on here caught the gorgeous Mexican journalist who showed up at a Tom Brady press conference in a strapless wedding gown, shouting, “Brady, will you marry me?” and “I am the real Mrs. Brady”, in broken English.
When was the last time you saw that happen at a Michael Moore press conference?
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In fact, I’d bet that top lingerie models actually sleep with far fewer men than your run of the mill pretty girl simply because their looks afford them the ability to be ridiculously picky about the men they sleep with.
on the flipside, you also know that lingerie models can get away with sleeping with more men, because high-status men will still be willing to marry them even if they’re complete partysluts. among all women they are perhaps the most likely to exhibit typical ‘entitlement princess’ traits, and those traits typically include a slutty streak.
i would bet that the average notch counts run something like this:
run-of-mill pretty girl < lingerie model < bar skank
in any case, it’s always fun to counter speculation with counter-speculation. any lingerie models on here?
::crickets::
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Let’s assume that lingerie models are super super super picky and only sleep with one or two guys each per year. These guys are going to be the most desirable guys around. How many notches do you think these guys are recording?
Even if the lingerie models don’t sleep around, they are at higher risk because of who they sleep with.
From what I’ve heard though, models are pretty easy for the right guys anyway. They’re young, rich, living away from parents, friends and anyone who knew them in their home towns. Basically they’re on permanent vacation. I think we all know what that implies.
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Sluttiness by occupation – interesting idea. So, who’s skankier, a corrections officer or a pipefitter?
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#61: I see your point, though I still think even entitled princesses would be less slutty than the average pretty girl simply because they don’t have to be in order to maintain a man’s interest — for a lot of guys, sleeping with a 10 who’s sort of into it is still better than sleeping with an enthusiastic 7. But I could see how it could go the other way. The only way to gather data on this phenomenon would be for me to sleep with a sufficient number of lingerie models to establish a statistically valid sample size of that population. I’ll get right on that.
#62: You make a good point. I hadn’t thought about the previous sexual history of the men that models are likely to sleep with.
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Brady has talent blah blagh
The model Giselle is hot blah blah
Some baby somewhere is fucked in this whole deal
but the baby wouldn’t have existed without the pre-Giselle coupling –
so
NATURE WINS for the li’l baby !
and nurture loses (some) for the li’l baby 😦
*if the baby is a boy then he gets to say my dad won the superbowl stuff – but has broken home baggage
*if the baby is a girl then it will get dissed by supermodel Giselle – and have to see all of the expensive stuff the Brady-Giselle kids have that she doesn’t have baggage
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reggie #64: even entitled princesses would be less slutty than the average pretty girl simply because they don’t have to be in order to maintain a man’s interest
you lose. i think you failed to notice the word ‘pretty’ in ‘average pretty girl’.
average pretty girl doesn’t need to be slutty to get men’s interest, because she’s pretty, and her future potential with men suffers if she acts slutty.
lingerie model doesn’t need to be slutty to get men’s attention, but her future potential with men won’t suffer if she acts slutty.
ergo, the inequalities above.
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#63 shannon: who’s skankier, a corrections officer or a pipefitter?
if her pipe still fits without a gasket, i guess she isn’t that skanky.
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#65 miik: if the baby is a girl then it will get dissed by supermodel Giselle – and have to see all of the expensive stuff the Brady-Giselle kids have that she doesn’t have baggage
um, right.
bridget moynahan’s no slouch in the first place, not to mention the inevitable six figures in monthly “child support” that she and the kid will accrue.
unless, of course, the aforementioned expensive stuff comprises gisele herself. in that case, i concede your point.
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Perhaps everyone already knows the answer to this one, and I’m just a slow learner. But is Johnny Five our Roissy in disguise?
Writing tics, quirks, style say “yes”. But I suppose one of his fans could just be a fast study.
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^ alias clio #67
nope, i’m an outsider. after finding this blog, though, i promptly queried my roommates as to whether i’d been furiously blogging in my sleep.
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dear lord, you mean there’s more than one of you coming up through the alpha ranks?
heaven help the women of tomorrow!
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