Also known as the brozenge.*
Here it cums!** Well, almost. If it does happen, here are my predictions:
Market Penetration – deep and wide.
Condoms are everywhere. So will be the male pill. Except for the CVS in my hood where they will be locked behind bullet proof glass and only accessible via an embarrassing request to the pharmacist, an East Indian middle-aged woman who will glower at you with the stink-eye as cute shoppers stand nearby and suppress giggles while they scan you up and down wondering if your package really is as massive as the magnums you just bought and extrapolating the quality of girl you are banging based on the swagger with which you make your request. Be sure to throw them a sly smile as you grab the box. They’re curious. You know they’re curious. They know you know they’re curious. Game on.***
Firmness of Adoption – vertical prominance.
Not only will many men avail themselves of the brozenge, they will also be repeat customers to the exclusion of all other contraceptive methods. Fact: condoms suck. A latex sheath is a total pleasure killjoy. The female pill is far superior to condoms but no man should ever trust his health, freedom, and reproductive rights to a woman’s whims. The male pill solves this problem. I’m avidly pro-choice.
Cultural Eruption – premature idiocracy.
The male pill will accelerate already ominous demographic trends. Stupid men, just like stupid women, will be less than diligent taking the pill to prevent pregnancy. With two kinds of pills, irresponsibility on the left side of the bell curve is twice as likely because one partner will assume the other partner is taking the necessary precautions and thus find a reason to slack off. “I thought you were on it!” “But I thought YOU were on it!!” Condom sales plummet. End result: a massive dumbing down of America. Say goodbye to bridges that don’t collapse.
In a male pill future, three types of men will contribute to subsequent generations.
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Feminine men. The kind of guy who WANTS children is more feminine than the average guy who’d rather be poolside. Even betas prefer sex to childrearing, so there will be a natural selection for children born to womanly uberbeta fathers. Their future boys will play house with Barbies and jerk off to soft-focus, plot-driven porn.
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Wealthy super alphas. At the very top there will be those men who don’t mind impregnating their wives, the wives of the uberbetas, and their mistresses because they can afford to dump the responsibility of raising them on an army of imported nannies. Their ability to live for fun won’t be compromised. The super alphas’ daughters will go on to become ballcutting lawyers who sue for laws that emasculate the sons of the betas even more.
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Dumbasses. Lots and lots of dumbasses. See above.
Expect a future of sex that feels good, societal disintegration, and cognitive stratification as the very smartest shield their 1.2 kids in gated communities and prep schools from the mass of semi-retarded kids born to the losers falling further behind.
*trademarked, bitches.
**Oxford English Dictionary approved spelling. Pip pip.
***condom game is highly underrated.
And the real question…would you take the male pill, Roissy?
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The female pill is far superior to condoms but no man should ever trust his health, freedom, and reproductive rights to a woman’s whims.
Well, neither the female pill, or the theoretical male one, can protect against disease, so not much can be said for health.
As for freedom and rights, a much better innovation than the male pill would be legislation that gets rid of the paradoxical shit laws that allow abortion for women but enforce child support laws on men. My body, my choice? Fine: your body, your brat.
As for a male pill, I sure won’t take one in my lifetime. When the female pill came out, a lot of women had to physically suffer from the first primitive high dose version of the drug. After 50 years of improvements, all the health consequences of the pill are still not entirely known, but a number of known undesirable side-effects are still there.
I’m not eager to be one of the first generation guinea pigs that ends up getting some mysterious ball cancer at age 45.
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So, basically, Rain And, you want all the fun and none of the consequences. I’m not sure if that’s how the world works.
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So, basically, Rain And, you want all the fun and none of the consequences. I’m not sure if that’s how the world works.
The quintessential Pro-Life argument. Is the sledgehammer of irony still too soft you?
The “you want the fun and no consequences” argument ended with RvW.
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I found your post too boring to read today. Sorry! I’m so grateful to be beyond the sexual madness. One day even you, roissy, will be glad to have outgrown the sex obsession. It’s so nice and relaxing to have other interests as well. I’m sure others will find this fascinating, not that it isn’t of course. My daughter may be interested in this. I’ll let her know about it.
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Rain And, more specifically, I’m pro-life for me but pro-choice for everyone else. As in, I wouldn’t terminate an accidental pregnancy, but don’t judge others for the choices they make.
Also, the sledgehammer of irony is no match for…the fact that I wasn’t being entirely serious with my last post. Sigh. Someone needs to invent a way to convey sarcasm around here, or we just all need to start commenting via webcam so we can make silly faces at each other.
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Rain And, touched on a potential side-effect, the spread of STDs so make sure you order your herp meds when you pick up the pill.
The other unmentioned side effect is profit. Who’s buying big pharma stock? *sheepishly raises hand*
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DF,
What’s an STD?
Sexy Tiny Dwarfs
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VK, I think the whippersnappers say STI now.
But I really want to start a band called Sexy Tiny Dwarfs.
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VK, nah. Its Spotted Tranny Dick … or so I’ve been told.
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Shannon, what does it mean not to “judge” someone’s “choices”?
Do you mean only that you would not reject a woman who had an abortion as your friend (a position I take myself), or do you mean that you would not say anything about it to her? Or just that you wouldn’t care one way or another?
Would you react the same way to other choices your friend might make, or do you believe in suspending judgment only in reference to abortion?
I mean, if a friend of yours decided to join a white supremacy group would you simply sit back and say nothing about it to her?
Just wondering. I’m not trying to start a conflagration here.
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Idiocracy – There are many grown dumbasses now and there was no birth control at all until recent history. *also Bush is president.
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Yeah, add a huge rise in STIs to the list, and also the phenomenon of women knowing what it’s like when their partner lies about taking the pill, resulting in an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy! I can’t wait to see how feminazis handle the social changes from this pill. It will be glorious.
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alias clio, to clarify: I would not judge anyone’s choice to have an abortion, as I’ve never been in that situation myself. It’s intensely personal. If a friend was considering having an abortion, I would gently ask if she wanted to talk about it and listen without judging her. Whatever she chose, I would support her, and take care of her, because that’s what friends do. I’m sure my friends haven’t agreed with everything I’ve done, but they love me anyway.
The white supremacy group is a false analogy for me, because I don’t equate the two as being equally morally abhorrent. The white supremacy group is an out-and-out stupid idea, vs. something driven by circumstances.
I’d equate abortion as something the woman decided as a matter of personal/financial survival. So in my moral mathematics, it’s equal to if someone decided to embezzle from their employer because they were starving.
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Rhyme, can we PLEASE abandon the word feminazi? Say what you want about feminists, but none of us use ideology to slaughter millions of people.
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Right, it’s STI now, because you can be infected without necessarily showing symptoms of a disease. But it doesn’t have the pleasing rhyme of STD.
#13 rhymenocerous: women knowing what it’s like when their partner lies about taking the pill, resulting in an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy! I can’t wait to see how feminazis handle the social changes from this pill. It will be glorious.
Women generally want children more than men, so I think the incidence of men lying about taking the pill in order to trick a woman into pregnancy will be far less common than the reverse is now. Plus, it’s pretty pointless: Women still have the option to abort. The reason the “trap” works for women is that once they’re pregnant, men have no choice in the matter as far as the law is concerned.
I’m curious, though — how do you think the “feminazis” will handle whatever social changes you predict? I could see them raising an issue about the possible increase in STIs, but I don’t think they’d officially object to the prevention of unwanted pregnancies. Maybe in private, because it may represent a threat to female primacy over reproduction — though condoms pretty much do that already, and they’re not criticized by militant feminists as far as I’m aware — but not publicly.
Incidentally, I’m with Rain And about using it myself. I think I’ll wait until the bugs have been worked out after the first wave of early adopters unexpectedly develop luscious breasts.
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Shannon, in asking about the friend who joins a white supremacy group, I was not trying to say that doing this was analogous to having an abortion (there is no exact parallel anyway, because there is no human situation exactly like pregnancy). I was simply trying to determine whether you believed in suspending judgment in all morally fraught situations, or only where abortion is concerned.
The point I was trying to make is that many people today seem to believe that suspending judgment is always a virtue, and not only WRT abortion. It isn’t. Suspending judgment is a good idea only in situations in which we do not know all the facts – something which happens rather often in this life, unfortunately. Your apparent wish to extend the virtue of non-judgmentalism to all situations in which we “don’t know how we would react” is, I think, unwise. There are many experiences to which I’m fairly certain I would react badly, but that does not mean I would be justified in losing sight of the right way to react.
Where abortion is concerned, I “judge” in the sense that I think abortion is always wrong – although I grant that under certain conditions it is more excusable. But I don’t condemn, in the sense of rejecting the woman who has one as my friend, or even haranguing her about it at great length.
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One: Thank you for clearing up cum v. come for me. I shall sleep better tonight.
Two: I have only slept with ONE man who actually needed magnums. One. They are far and few between.
Three: Men are idiots who should not be trusted with my future. Ladies, always wrap it up, swallow your pills religiously and do a pull and pray if you are that nervous. Just never trust the man.
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“Your apparent wish to extend the virtue of non-judgmentalism to all situations in which we “don’t know how we would react” is, I think, unwise.”
Not really. I don’t give everyone a free pass on everything that doesn’t involve abortion, that’s far too broad and prone to moral laziness. I just think it’s possible to both find an action morally repugnant AND try to have empathy and consider the circumstances that drive people to make the choices they make.
For example, murder is bad. Right? But to many of us, it’s justifiable when you’re defending someone you love, and not justifiable when you just want the other guy’s sneakers. So, unless I know an abortion is self-defense or footwear, I’m going to butt out.
And, no, I’m sorry, this has nothing to do with the brozenge.
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Oxford Dictionary also approves “come” for orgasm. See #9 below:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/come?view=uk
As I said in the last post, both “come” and “cum” are valid. Pornos only use the latter though.
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Also, only feminine men want to have kids? Kind of a stretch there.
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All right, Shannon, I accept responsibility for diverting this thread! And yes, your explanation is a sensible one, although obviously you and I have different views of what is right and wrong.
I just get nervous about the way people toss around the idea that it’s wrong to be judgmental, without trying to explain or account for situations in which we ought to be judgmental.
p.s. Roissy’s brozenge is unlikely ever to be developed, or reach the market. All attempts at male birth control have foundered over the fact that it seems to be impossible to stop sperm production without crushing the male libido as well. Best bet for men obsessed with “control” is to have a vasectomy and freeze their semen for the time they may want it. Just a suggestion.
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Semen on Ice! Like Disney on Ice. I like it.
Y’know, a common side effect of the female pill is the suppression of libido. So why should the guys be any different?
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Well, Shannon, sometimes what’s sauce for the goose really isn’t also sauce for the gander…When men’s libido fails, so does sexual intercourse. Or at least, the “intercourse” aspect of it. The same is not true of women.
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condom game? is that when a self-proclaimed player just happens to not have a single condom in the house but is okay with barebackin’ it b/c he’s pretty confident the girl he’s with is “clean” b/c she doesn’t “look like a slut”? that’s almost as respectable as kissing a woman’s stomach to elicit a maternal/paternal sexual state.
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Shannon, according to the Oxford dictionary (since everyone is all into dictionary definitions today) nazi is defined as:
Nazi
/naatzi/
• noun (pl. Nazis) 1 historical a member of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. 2 derogatory a person with extreme racist or authoritarian views.
You’re right, feminists have nothing to do with definition number one, but one could make an argument that those feminists referred to as “feminazis” do hold extreme authoritarian views (authoritarian meaning favoring a strict adherence to feminism (the “authority”) as they have defined it). What do you think of that? I think the word “femenazi” works in that sense… maybe a better term would be “femefasist”?
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Oops, “femefascist”. I need spell check.
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I think the issue is more connotation than definition. When someone says the word “Nazi”, many of us think of concentration camps. I imagine far fewer people would generate mental images of authoritarianism.
So would authoritarian feminists be “femitarians”?
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Reggie, what I was getting at was a potential reversal of the power that women hold to trap men into relationships by being pregnant. You’re right that women have the “trap” simply becasue women have wombs and men don’t. However, even though a woman has the option to abort doesn’t mean that she will. I guess the scenario I was thinking about is as such:
Woman and man date. Woman relies on man to take his birth control pill. Woman does not take any birth control pill. Woman is pro-life. Man and woman get into some sort of fight. Man decides to sneakily stop taking birth control to show woman a “lesson” (I wouldn’t put this move past a lot of men). Woman becomes pregnant. Now, woman has to have a kid or have an abortion. Since she is pro-life, she will be having a kid that she doesn’t want, and it is 100% the man’s fault. Of course, this works on the assumption that the woman doesn’t magically become pro-choice when she has an unwanted pregnancy, something that can certainly happen.
Either way, now a woman could be saddled with a child she never wanted and have to make a decision that she never planned on making. I’m not saying that this will occur in huge numbers if male birth control actually comes out, just pointing out that it *could* occur, and that fact alone, I think, could change social dynamics somewhat, especially with the pro-life crowd.
I meant more that radical feminists now have no real means to call men out on their seemingly pathetic reasons for not using male birth control. I’ve heard many women complain about men using excuses like “sex without condoms just feels better*”. To them, and to some radical feminists, men using that excuse just goes to show how selfish and uncaring men are in general – they only care about the orgasm, not about me/our potential spawn! This example scenario just helps to promulgate the “men are pigs” ideal that some radical femenists believe in. If a man forgets to take his birth control… well, you can’t really criticize that in the same way as you could excuses for condom usage, because women do the same thing all the time, intentionally or unintentionally.
After thinking that out, I guess it wouldn’t result in such huge changes. I am just sick of radical feminists promulgating the idea that men are pigs, and the lingering idea that many people posess that all feminists hate men. It’s too bad that the first thing in people’s minds with one mentions “feminism” isn’t the fact that the feminist movement led directly to more women having freer sex, resulting in more men getting laid more easily; rather, I’d bet that for many people, “feminism” = an angry lesbian screaming about her hatred of men.
* I don’t think that that is a real excuse. It’s probably true (I’m not a man so I don’t know), but not legit.
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#29 rhymenocerous:
Interesting. I still sort of doubt the intentional-impregnation scenario will happen very often as a way for men to spite women because it means saddling themselves with eighteen years of child-support payments as an unfortunate side effect. That seems like a textbook example of cutting off your nose to spite your face — and that’s not even mentioning the poor kids in this scenario. Not that it’s completely impossible, but it doesn’t sound very likely.
I see what you mean about how some women will use men’s understandable dislike of condoms — unrolling a synthetic sausage casing over one’s schlong is never less than slightly awkward — as a way of condemning men in general. I wonder if any of these women have ever considered using a female condom? Probably not, because they’d still consider it the man’s responsibility.
And Roissy, do you really think that buying large condoms is an effective way of attracting women? I’ve heard somewhere that the Magnum is one of the most popular condoms simply due to men wanting to create a mystique and impress women, so I figured women would all be wise to that tactic by now. Guess not.
The Magnum XL is where it’s at, anyway.
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Female condoms cost up to four times as much as regular condoms, and are far more difficult and messy to use. It’s very understandable why men that dislike condoms – they’re numbing, awkward and kind of gross.
But unless both of you are disease free, totally monogamous, and plan on sticking together for a while, condoms are the only real way to go. People endure discomfort all the time to safeguard their health (colonoscopy, anyone?), and why should sexual health be any different?
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Another reason to date 18 y.o. girls. Almost guaranteed to be disease-free. If you yourself are clean, you need a reliable proxy for “she’s disease-free,” and age, race, and class are pretty good. Middle-class or above, 18 or a bit older, and non-Black / Hispanic. You could be with other types of people, but then you can’t assume with much confidence that they’re clean.
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All these arguments about the male birth control pill are academic. If it hits the market, some politician somewhere will find some “evil” in this pill and “crack down” on it and make it illegal. If trans fats are illegal in places, it stands to reason a pill that can change the course of civilization will be as well.
Why isn’t the female pill illegal? Because women are afforded more rights in this society, while an inordinate amount of men go to prison (women do 40-60 percent of the time for the same crime as men, look it up).
Finally, even if this pill does make it into your drugstore, expect Christian pharmacists to go berserk, or insurance people not to “cover” it, or feminists to protest places that carry it because it “oppresses women” in some oddball way.
Then will come the frivolous lawsuits from women who were “tricked” in some way by men using it, which will make it too costly to produce.
Women have controlled to reproductive game since 1973. Don’t expect them to give up the game without a fight or ten.
Oh, and one other thing: President Hillary.
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I want to amend my above post.
When I put “crack down” in quotes regarding politicians it’s for a reason. You see, back in the day, white guys were the innovator in society. But that’s stopped. Now Asians and Indians innovate in technology and blacks in music, media and sports.
So what’s left for the outmoded white guys? Well, they “crack down” on everything in sight. This is the fate that is undoing the white race — specifically white men. The days of white men ruling are numbered. White men have made themselves obsolete to society by allowing political correctness to take hold, which pushed them into the odd role of lawmaker rather than innovator.
Speed cameras. Speed traps. Bans on food. Bans on drugs. Wars on drugs. Clothing bans. Wars for wars sake. It never ends. This is the legacy the white man is now leaving. The world’s unwanted and unnecessary policemen, while people from India and China buy up the whole country because the dollar is worthless.
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So, men are bad, women are bad, politicians are bad, speed cameras are bad…there is really nothing good left in the world. We’re all hurtling towards our doom. Especially the white guys, heaven knows they’ve got it tough.
Somehow I doubt health plans will refuse to cover the male pill, when you consider how many cover Viagra but won’t cover birth control.
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Pfft, people are stupid. No condom = pregnancy = abortion for most! Apparently, no condom = no fun, either.
It’s so easy to mess up taking the pill, it seems. Try and judge how reliable the female is at being regular in taking things e.g. meals and maybe that’ll give you some indication of whether she’s even taking it correctly.
Probably not.
I think the majority of males will probably be equally stupid with a pill-focused protection, and definitely not as revolutionary as you wish it would be (nice idea among the many to toss out there as you seem to have fun doing!).
Yes, roissy, probably a whole raft of side effects which will cause some crazy people to say ‘Look how these malez are being punished for defying nature/God/Chtulhu lololololol’
Surgery’s the way to go if you truly want the ‘definitely no pregnancy’ route. THAT’s been available for ages, causing no palpable revolutions.
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“sex without condoms just feels better*”.
I’ve heard women use it as well, really. Is the woman who says this thus a man? Has she been “brainwashed”? Amazingly, women can think for themselves. I’m not going to buy into that ‘men oppress me’ crap.
Not that you’ve implied women can’t think for themselves, but women use the same excuse. Then are flaky enough not to use other forms of protection properly, either through antibiotics decreasing the effectivity or plain taking it wrongly. Abortion (it does have risks, you stupid girls, as well as messing you up even further psychologically and hormonally) then becomes the contraceptive method of choice.
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THANK YOU! it amazes me how so many women have no idea how much abortion after abortion can mess you up. i’ve met women who’ve had 5 and up and looked shocked when i told them the problems it could cause.
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Middle-class or above, 18 or a bit older, and non-Black / Hispanic. You could be with other types of people, but then you can’t assume with much confidence that they’re clean.
Is that why white girls don’t like me?
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Why can’t women just terminate their pregnancies the first time they miss their period instead of late abortions?
Anyway, I applaud the pill. There will be opposition, but ultimately it will be good for society, if we ignore the dysgenic factors.
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tracylordylou:
that’s almost as respectable as kissing a woman’s stomach to elicit a maternal/paternal sexual state.
i happen to think a smooth, flat tummy is the second most alluring area on a woman’s body.
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wait, only feminine men want children? what the hell?
you’re starting to scare me.
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Rhymenocerous @ 29, I don’t know if anyone else mentioned it, but your scenario seems to leave out the option of the woman to sue the man for child support and get a court to order a paternity test. Unless the guy is extremely mobile or independently wealthy, he stands a good chance of having his wages garnished.
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THANK YOU! it amazes me how so many women have no idea how much abortion after abortion can mess you up.
And a lot of women have no idea how much birth control pills and all kinds of prescription medication can mess you up. So what?
I’ve had an abortion due to an ectopic pregnancy, and it was no walk in the park. But to say I’ve had psychological damage because of it? That’s projecting how you might react onto someone else.
In fact I’m happier than ever after it, cherishing my life more and exercising more to become healthier. Also, people vastly overestimate the impact that a traumatic event would have on their lives. Example: I’ve been in a car accident, and I might not like being in cars too much these days, but I’m not “scarred” or anything.
wait, only feminine men want children?
Times are changing. This is a trait that is non-greedy, non-selfish and non-immature, which is anti-capitalistic and pro-humanism, and therefore seen as feminine.
As for me, I’m glad to be with a “feminine” man. He takes care of my needs, helps me cook, does chores around the house, listens to me attentively, knows how to display emotions, and wants to be a good father to our future children.
In the I Ching philosophy, a man is not complete unless he has the ying (femininity) within him and is complemented by a woman who also has yang (masclinity) within her. The ying within the yang and the yang within the yin balance each other out. It sounds like a cute theory, at least.
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Hope, I didn’t mean to imply that different people react differently and wanted to includue ‘psychological damage’ as a risk. There’s not much of a choice for you if you’ve got an ectopic pregnancy. If someone’s fairly vulnerable mentally (which would occur quite often if they can’t stick to a sensible pill regime and so on), it is likely it could be a bite more damaging. I remember people understimating a traumatic event happening when I was a child and had to go around apathetically with undiagnosed PTSD for years…
A person becoming desensitised to undergoing a medical procedure over and over — which involves messing around with the cycle (as the female birth control does, with its lovely raft of side effects), losing blood and anaesthesia if its not discovered* early enough — isn’t the best thing.
I can understand your perspective which is that you used the experience to make healthier choices. So did some people who had become infected with HIV. It doesn’t make HIV a positive experience for everyone! **
*I used the word ‘caught’ as if pregnancy was a disease! It is a very risky state.
** HIV is not the same psychologically as an abortion, of course. Hugely worse on the poor person who has it.
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Oh these men have plenty of Yin. Just in the wrong places.
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In the I Ching philosophy, a man is not complete unless he has the ying (femininity) within him and is complemented by a woman who also has yang (masclinity) within her. The ying within the yang and the yang within the yin balance each other out. It sounds like a cute theory, at least.
Hence inter racial dating disparities?
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::looks at watch::
Maybe the 2010s will be when we get tired of race again.
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wait if you’re not going to have children, what will happen to the white race? and smart people?
help me understand
as a side note, ive secretly always wanted to have multiple children from multiple men. is that my id? my ego? a fantasy?
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I’m not talking about psychological trauma, I’m talking about long-term physical complications. The more abortions you have, you become WAY more likely to have miscarriages and premature birth down the line, along with a host of other complications. Yet there are lots of women I’ve met who’ve gotten multiple abortions and had no idea that it affected their chances to have kids later.
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This is one of the most verbose sites I’ve ever seen.
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is there a pill or spray to control the way you cum
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