A girl’s sexual attraction can be triggered nearly as fast as a man’s.
I was with a group of friends at a rooftop bar when three girls who were milling about joined our conversation. One of the girls was a little testier than the others and swapped a couple of sarcastic one-liners with us when one of my friends grinned really wide and said:
“You look like you haven’t been laid in a while.”
BOOM. Instant attraction. You could see it in her eyes. In a flash he had gone from random guy at bar to sex object in her mind.
She pretended to be offended and walked off. My friend didn’t budge or watch her walk away. He said she’ll be back. I glanced at the girl who was now on the other side of the bar and caught her looking over at my friend multiple times. She was completely hooked.
Five minutes later she returned to our group and asked him why he thinks that about her. She touched his arm while she asked this.
Women are as Pavlovian in their sexual responses as men are; they just react to different stimuli.
This is a well documented pick up technique… it isn’t just fool’s mate game anymore as Mystery once called it…
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=11273&highlight=shock+awe
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Ha…While I think the negging (Mystery method or whatever) only works on insecure/really young/stupid girls…I think this post is right on.
Talk about sex in a while that isn’t icky–and its a positive she’s coming back for more.
True post.
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Oops, I mean “a way” not ” a while”
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The girl was asking for it from the second she walked up to you. The way she talked, carried herself, and looked allowed your friend to make that comment, knowing that there was a strong chance she would respond to it in the way he wanted.
He wouldn’t have said that to a girl who had a different vibe and attitude, and a girl with a different vibe and attitude would never have reacted the way she did.
He may have flipped the switch, but the switch was practically begging to be flipped. 😉
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blah, blah, blah
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Good post.
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This is a well documented pick up technique… it isn’t just fool’s mate game anymore as Mystery once called it…
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=11273&highlight=shock+awe
HOLY SHIT. I clicked this just to get some laugh from the latest stupid “pick up technique”, but… that’s a *damn* good post! Wow. A pick up artist that gets it. I never thought I’d see that.
Forget nail polish and top hats, just fix your self-esteem, get rid of your insecurities (= whatever’s making people post/comment about their fear of trannies, Hillary Clinton and grown women they have a common language with) and do what’s in that post. “Techniques” are for idiots who have to hide their true selves. (I seem to need one for actually keeping a woman, though.
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Yeah, there was ZERO technique.
The girl approached because she was horny and didn’t mind the looks of you guys. Your friend RECOGNIZED her horniness but YOU did not. Therefore, he was the one she chose to continue interacting with, not you.
Did your friend lay her? Probably not. There’s a reason why she hasn’t been laid in a while.
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Anon,
What the fuck are YOU talking about? How did Roissy NOT RECOGNIZE it but yet came home and wrote a whole fucking post detailing exactly what happened and why? How do YOU also know that he wasn’t talking to other girls, remember in the first paragraph THREE girls joined the conversation.
God, stop drinking the hate hateorade it makes your brefff smell like pee
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I love reading the comments on this blog….Game only works on insecure girls…Your friend just got lucky….Believe me I used to say the same things…He’s just attractive and she wanted some etc…
Now stop and notice that the same guys are always getting girls. They aren’t getting lucky. They know what their doing. Attraction isn’t so difficult when you think about what really brings it about. If he got laid that night isn’t the point, it’s that she came back. The process is just as important as the end result. Who cares if he didn’t get anywhere this time, I gaurantee that guy gets more ass than the guy who only looks for results….Maybe it’s just me, (and most of the human population) but don’t you get better at most things (like riding a bike) when you practice, and don’t you occasionally fail when you practice(like falling on a bike at first?)
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Game only works on insecure girls…
I think “game” would be less likely to work on us insecure girls. Insecure, self-conscious girls don’t go to bars or clubs, but stay home and play video games. Personally I like my man to be sweet and loving, because I’m not confident or aggressive enough to want overly aggressive behavior from men.
I don’t really care about the guys who are always getting girls. I exist outside of the fervently fast and furious scene of the constant chase. I get lucky every night when I lay next to the man I love and fall asleep with him, feeling safe, secure and content next to his reassuring warmth.
Sexual attraction has nothing on that kind of attraction.
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11 Hope: Nice try. I would say 99% of guys who read this post are not even in that ball park.
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The way she talked, carried herself, and looked allowed your friend to make that comment, knowing that there was a strong chance she would respond to it in the way he wanted.
it wasn’t like that.
she was the one least interested in talking with us, and in fact spent the first couple of minutes trying to pull her two girldfriends away.
when my friend busted on her in such a directly sexual way, with a confident shit-eating grin, she instantly became attracted. you could see it in her eyes — from glazed over to sparkling. she went from being obviously annoyed with talking to us to suddenly intrigued by my friend.
the moral of the story — girls are just as shallow and pavlovian as guys, but the dinner bell they respond to makes a different sound.
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I would say 99% of guys who read this post are not even in that ball park.
Even roissy is moved by the thought of true love. We as humans mostly want the same thing in the end… to love and be loved is every bit as primal and automatic as the sexual response. With the exception of some real psycho/sociopaths, some human emotional states are basic.
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“What the fuck are YOU talking about? How did Roissy NOT RECOGNIZE it but yet came home and wrote a whole fucking post detailing exactly what happened and why? How do YOU also know that he wasn’t talking to other girls, remember in the first paragraph THREE girls joined the conversation.”
Dipshit,
Roissy’s girls were getting pulled away by the cockblock and his friend stepped up and stopped the bitch cold. Roissy FAILED to act. He did NOTHING, except go home and BLOG about it.
“If he got laid that night isn’t the point, it’s that she came back. The process is just as important as the end result. Who cares if he didn’t get anywhere this time, I gaurantee that guy gets more ass than the guy who only looks for results…”
Man,
You are mentally masturbating. She came back to him — big fucking deal. Smacking a girl in the head as she walks away would make her come back too.
Blah, blah, blah, attraction this, attraction that. You can’t fuck “attraction”.
Who gives a fuck if a girl is “attracted”?
Guys who can’t get laid (i.e., guys who think “attraction” = success = sex) and/or guys who pay money to learn to “attract” girls, that’s who.
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Ah ha, but it was like that, Roissy. She needed something more to be attracted, and your friend gave her just that. Had he said that to one of the more eager, less snippy friends, they may have actually run away from that comment. The girl loves the game, it makes her horny. Many of my friends are like this, and I lean a tad bit in that direction, too.
But not all girls feel that way- they’re the ones that get away or don’t respond at all. These girls respond to a different kind of bell.
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irina:
Ah ha, but it was like that, Roissy. She needed something more to be attracted, and your friend gave her just that.
uh, no it wasn’t. i was there.
her girlfriends were not interested in him either, and they were even snippier than her. they were just a bunch of girls getting a quickie attention fix from a random bunch of guys they passed in a bar.
she joined her friends in the sarcastic back-and-forth with us, but her real sexual interest was not triggered until he throttled her reality with his brazen observation (which was probably true).
These girls respond to a different kind of bell.
no. most girls respond to the same bell. i’ve seen this guy say similar things to many women from all walks of life. it never fails. this is why game works — because the results are replicable. if girls responded to different bells there would be no such thing as “game”.
anon:
Roissy FAILED to act. He did NOTHING, except go home and BLOG about it.
anon, since you seem intent on creating your own narrative, i feel a sense of duty to correct your ASSumptions. all the girls were pulling themselves away. it was a drive-by conversation for them to get a quickie attention fix. i “FAILED to act” because i wasn’t interested in any of them.
She came back to him — big fucking deal. Smacking a girl in the head as she walks away would make her come back too.
tard?
Blah, blah, blah, attraction this, attraction that. You can’t fuck “attraction”.
tard.
Who gives a fuck if a girl is “attracted”?
rapists don’t.
ps: rape.
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game lacks external validity
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game lacks external validity
true. but the practitioners are multiplying exponentially. the anecdotes are piling up. soon it will be data.
game is not a snake oil pitch. it is buttressed by evolutionary theory and field-tested.
btw, mystery was in madam’s organ this past weekend instructing a workshop. unfortunately for his students, his minor celebrity will only get in the way of his effectiveness as a teacher.
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Hope and instantexcitement–Not sure if you were talking to me…but if so, I didn’t mention “game”…I said “negging” which is when men talk down to girls to make them feel worse–then feel attracted (I guess is the technique) which I personally don’t get and think is kind of sleazy and gross but apparently is part of Mystery’s Method.
No mention of “game” bc I do not think “negging” IS game.
Alas, I find this post to be funny and true. Hence my comment.
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KassyK – “Negging” is a very important part of game. The problem is all these people who watched 15 mins of that VH1 show and think saying something obnoxious is negging. Negging shouldn’t make a girl feel bad, it’s simply throwing back the shit test at a girl. If a girl gives me a shit test or says something obnoxious, I’ll turn to her friend, and say, “wow you can’t take her anywhere with you can you?” If you’re offended after trying to offend someone else, then I really have no further comment.
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Both “game” and “negging” backfire on a truly insecure girl. I’m an incredibly insecure girl (I describe myself as ugly and fat in my own head), and the guys that got my attention were all “nice” to me.
Insecure women don’t go for aggressive game, but for touchy feely romantic sappy things that most men cringe at. I pretty much melted when my first love told me that he thought about marrying me.
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instantexcitement–k…that makes sense…i think i am just really out of the “game” that all the terms are still very new to me. 🙂
Hope–I really hope you aren’t that insecure…no one should have to feel that way about themselves! But I am with you on guys that are nice. When did nice guys start getting such a bad rep right?
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Roissy picked up an interesting thing here. I believe his observations are on the mark. Here’s how I know.
Many years agok I was meeting up with some people from work and a women came up from another department. She had a distinctive hairstyle — very long, straight hair that flowed down her back. This was not someone I had ever really spoken to, but I’d seen her days in and day out at work.
So when she walked by the group, I recognized her and called out to her. She wanted to know how I recognized her and I said “I recognized you from the back” — meaning her hair! Before I could explain, she burst out laughing, went on about this, and ignored my protests that this was an innocent comment. She joked about it all night. She was always nice to me after that as well.
Honestly, it was an innocent comment about her hair. The moral is that I experienced the above response from a women — but by an accident, not any use of game.
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KassyK, the real gentlemen were always rare… it’s just that gentlemanly behavior used to be expected of men. With the whole “be yourself” movement for men and women, people simply act the way they want and get what they want. Such selfishness is not conducive to long-term togetherness, but the culture has thrown that aside, too.
I’m a lot less insecure now that I have a wonderful man who tells me all the time that I’m the beautiful and sexiest girl in the world — and he actually believes it. I am really spoiled. I wish more men and women treated each other with love and cherished what little time they have together here on earth. Our lives are so short and fleeting.
If people truly are happy with sleeping around without emotional connection, then good for them. The time we do have is too short to live it in misery, without attraction and without sex, which is a healthy and essential component of our lives. I’m just offering a different kind of happiness, one that may be attained through a different approach… not through logical tactics, games and strategy, but illogical, genuine and impulsive feelings.
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Hope–I agree with everythinn in that comment and am in a similar kind of relationship. Its refreshing…and important. People should always treat each other well…and thats the most important thing. 🙂
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kassy, you live in a different universe from these people.
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irina–did i mention i love you? 😉
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i love you more. :-*
roissy, data would confirm internal validity more than it would external.
you’d need to apply the technique to women in different cultures and races and ages to make such a generalization.
do 22 year olds respond the same way to the same exact technique as 32 year olds?
do poor women respond the same… as rich women?
do unattractive women… attractive?
american vs. ecuadorian vs. romanian vs. chinese vs.
rural vs. urban vs. aborigine?
heterosexual vs. homosexual vs. bisexual?
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Roissy check out the blueprint from Real Social Dynamics then you’ll realize it’s not the techniques it’s the subcommunications. It’s an expensive product, but it will put an end to this silly argument that somehow Mystery stumbled upon a set of tricks that mimic evolutionary biology to gain an advantage.
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“Insecure women don’t go for aggressive game, but for touchy feely romantic sappy things that most men cringe at. I pretty much melted when my first love told me that he thought about marrying me.”
Hmmm…I wonder. Does this mean I should be sappy-romantic if going after nerd women? There’s no reason they’d behave the way the club hotties Roissy goes after do, but then again maybe they would. Roissy, ever gone after nerd chicks?
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SFG, if you ever watch anime or read manga, the way the romantic lead guys there behave is pretty much the nerd girl’s ideal. You can project that ideal through the written word, which is easy with nerdy girls because they’re usually hanging out at various places online (I know of at least five marriages resulting from only online interactions at first, my own included).
The main male character in Ayashi no Ceres, Toya, is mysterious, intuitive, good-looking, protective of the girl that he loves, always goes to rescue her, sweet, kind, a bit melancholy and has a sad past. There are particular moments where he says some of the most endearing and romantic things to have ever come out of a fictional guy’s mouth.
“Ever since I met you…I found out…what it means…to be truly lonely.”
You’ll find this quote attributed to the girl, Aya. In fact, in the book, he says it out loud to himself while thinking of her (it’s presented even more romantically than that, but I’ll spare you the sappiness).
It’s clear that he cares for the girl very much, but he chooses to leave her alone because he doesn’t want to bring her more pain. His actions are generally out of love rather than the desire to have a purely physical relationship (another big bonus for nerdy girls, who often believe they are less than ideal looks-wise). He restrains himself even though the girl he loves practically threw herself at him (which really reminds me of how my husband was when we first met).
The nerdy female audience can’t help but like him because he is so noble and self-sacrificing. Whenever I read comments about this fictional character the girls always say he is “hot” — “I like Toya because he is handsome and also loyal.” And he is. If you read around, you’ll see some variations on this theme, like some of them want to be friends with a guy first before wanting the romance.
One thing I’ll give credit to the “game” for is that the man can sweep a girl off her feet when she least expects it. It can be done more easily with a nerdy girl because she has such an active imagination. But there is no point in doing so for most “players” because nerdy girls don’t give up sex as readily as club hotties (I know a girl from a video game who still hasn’t given it up, and she’s in her early 20s). They’d rather talk first… and most guys get bored of that.
Not sure how much I helped, but at least it helped me procrastinate on some coding.
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Any girl who holds her vagina on a golden pedestal is only cheating herself. Once she realizes how ridiculously pleasurable getting her Gspot pounded is she will look at her old self and realize how idiotic the previous convictions were. Hope the reality you are projecting is not the norm. This whole video games replacing real life thing is really starting to decay our society. Also what you are describing is AFC neediness. People don’t get into the game to get lots of girls, they get into the game because they previously obsessed over that one girl who they tried to romantically sweep off her feet and yet the girl thought they were creepy and wound up hooking up with the alpha jerk loser who doesn’t put sex on a pedestal. He doesn’t act needy or harbor delusions.
PUAs are the ones most likely to experience true love because they come from a position of no scarcity and are free to be real with girls. People aren’t real with each other until after sex. We all hide behind our egoic delusions for the most part. I use ego here in the sense of eastern philosophers.
Nerd girls actually fall for this game stuff the most because they are so sexually repressed. I can’t believe there are still people that deny women’s immense satisfaction from sex. You are just denying your sisters their birthright.
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Also there is a discrepancy between what comes from a girl’s mouth and what her vagina actually reacts to. The latter is the real deal. The former is socially conditioned bullshit mixed with the irrationality of female emotions.
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Nerd girls actually fall for this game stuff the most because they are so sexually repressed.
Bullshit. Nerdy girls seriously get freaky because they are not bound by the mainstream culture. One of the marriages I mentioned between two people that met online first, the girl got married in all black in a Satanic ritual kind of wedding.
The virgin I mentioned is actually more likely a lesbian, now that I think about it. She did sexual things with girls but not with guys.
People don’t get into the game to get lots of girls, they get into the game because they previously obsessed over that one girl who they tried to romantically sweep off her feet and yet the girl thought they were creepy and wound up hooking up with the alpha jerk loser who doesn’t put sex on a pedestal.
There’s a term for that, and it’s unrequited love. It happens to both men and women. The girl thought he was creepy because he wouldn’t back off when she didn’t love him in return, just like the guy would think a girl who loved him and wanted to marry him, but whom he didn’t love in return would think the girl was stalkerish and creepy. It’s not about pedestals. It’s about connection. Sometimes people just don’t have it even if the person who lusts after them is a legitimate “alpha” or “9.”
Also there is a discrepancy between what comes from a girl’s mouth and what her vagina actually reacts to. The latter is the real deal. The former is socially conditioned bullshit mixed with the irrationality of female emotions.
Oh, I know this. I also know that what I react to sexually has always come from emotional attachment with men, not from 30 minute “dates.” Those reactions don’t happen for nerdy girls.
The male mind is just as irrational when it comes to sex, since men are more often controlled by their lizard brain rather than their frontal cortex in such matters.
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“Girl who was checking out your group from the minute you walked in” is not the same as “Woman who was so sexually enticed by your ‘game’ that she came back for more abuse.”
This girl lets strangers talk down to her in bars. That’s sad, but hardly illustrates what you claim. Just because one girl let you abuse her in public, it doesn’t logically follow that all or even a large number of women are irrational and open to manipulation.
I can draw the conclusion from your story, though, that a woman who would let you treat her like that has some issues to work through. Further, given what you described above, you and your friends are preying on her insecurities to get laid, then bragging about on your blog it to the whole city. That’s so tacky.
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“There’s a term for that, and it’s unrequited love. It happens to both men and women. The girl thought he was creepy because he wouldn’t back off when she didn’t love him in return, just like the guy would think a girl who loved him and wanted to marry him, but whom he didn’t love in return would think the girl was stalkerish and creepy. It’s not about pedestals. It’s about connection. Sometimes people just don’t have it even if the person who lusts after them is a legitimate “alpha” or “9.””
No the term for this is called being needy. It happens when a guy likes a girl, she resists his advances, he feels the scarcity (since he can’t get other girls) and as a result he backwards rationalizes it as love. The love you describe is the love of the moochers, the value takers. Which is why guys that are good with girls and don’t get attached have the highest chance of finding that true love.
“Oh, I know this. I also know that what I react to sexually has always come from emotional attachment with men, not from 30 minute “dates.” Those reactions don’t happen for nerdy girls.”
You’ve never met a real natural, or there is the little known fact that naturals do recognize that all girls are different and some may require more time than others. Besides unless your some sort of in the sac goddess then you are simply a value taker who likes to torture guys by putting herself on a sexual pedestal. Oh and you in the process torture yourself by depriving yourself of physical and mental stimulation in favor of scarcity based negative emotion based love.
“Oh, I know this. I also know that what I react to sexually has always come from emotional attachment with men, not from 30 minute “dates.” Those reactions don’t happen for nerdy girls.”
Read: you, not all nerdy girls. Give a real natural an hour to work and these so called nerdy girls will be drawn to the natural’s leadership, dominance, and masculine polarity so to speak. There is no overriding attraction with logic (for women, or rather the override mechanism is slower than in men, this needs to be further addressed, but I won’t dwell on it for now). That is not to say you aren’t in control of what you actually do.
“It’s about connection. Sometimes people just don’t have it even if the person who lusts after them is a legitimate “alpha” or “9.””
See my first statement. Connection only happens after sex for most people in our socially conditioned ego centric society. Anything before sex is just the guy seeking to get into your pants by means of whining and scarcity mentality backwards rationalizing. Yes this generalization holds for all guys not regularly receiving sex.
“The male mind is just as irrational when it comes to sex, since men are more often controlled by their lizard brain rather than their frontal cortex in such matters.”
Evidence?
No disrespect intended. I lurk here and I know you are one of the rational posters on this blog.
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“Bullshit. Nerdy girls seriously get freaky because they are not bound by the mainstream culture. One of the marriages I mentioned between two people that met online first, the girl got married in all black in a Satanic ritual kind of wedding.”
Our culture does not suppress individualism it suppresses sexuality. See the emo movement a cultural phenomenon that is widely popular despite being counterculture. These girls are still sexually repressed because the exhibit last minute resistance. Last minute resistance usually comes from the will he perceive me as a slut after this effect.
“This girl lets strangers talk down to her in bars. That’s sad, but hardly illustrates what you claim. Just because one girl let you abuse her in public, it doesn’t logically follow that all or even a large number of women are irrational and open to manipulation.
I can draw the conclusion from your story, though, that a woman who would let you treat her like that has some issues to work through. Further, given what you described above, you and your friends are preying on her insecurities to get laid, then bragging about on your blog it to the whole city. That’s so tacky.”
Actually its usually the high self esteem girls than can take a back handed compliment and know when they are being called out for being a bitch is legitimate.
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Nerdy girls seriously get freaky because they are not bound by the mainstream culture.
Which is useless since most nerdy girls are much too unattractive to find sexually arousing.
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No the term for this is called being needy. It happens when a guy likes a girl, she resists his advances, he feels the scarcity (since he can’t get other girls) and as a result he backwards rationalizes it as love. The love you describe is the love of the moochers, the value takers.
The need is different when it comes from “romantic love,” which is a term to describe a set of chemical reactions. The love I refer to is when two people feel so many of these chemical reactions for each other that they cannot bear to be apart, that it is painful, and each cuts a deep wound within the other person, a void in a shape that only the other can fill.
I know the “need” you talk about in terms of scarcity, but it is perceived scarcity. Had my first love not returned my feelings — and I had felt for a time that he did not — he would have left that gap in me that no one could subsequently could fill. I did act desperately, foolishly, and even resorted to stalking him. But in time, others would have created new voids in me… that is how love operates. It is, at a molecular level, an addiction.
Besides unless your some sort of in the sac goddess then you are simply a value taker who likes to torture guys by putting herself on a sexual pedestal.
I don’t put myself on a pedestal. I put love on a pedestal. I gave myself freely to anyone that demonstrated they knew true love and had felt it for me. It’s not torture if they feel nothing for me. I could only try to take their pain away, just a little bit, because I knew what that pain was — the pain of not being able to hold in my arms the one I was in love with. I didn’t want others to feel it that pain so sharply as I did.
Give a real natural an hour to work and these so called nerdy girls will be drawn to the natural’s leadership, dominance, and masculine polarity so to speak.
We are all drawn to leadership, dominance and charisma. Even men are. Being drawn to it is not the same as attraction. I have found myself more attracted to the vulnerable, feminine, and submissive types of men, especially those men who hide such streaks behind masks of perceived masculinity. Also, smell… more powerful than any domineering personality. You just know it when you find it.
Connection only happens after sex for most people in our socially conditioned ego centric society. Anything before sex is just the guy seeking to get into your pants by means of whining and scarcity mentality backwards rationalizing.
Yes, but my ego was bruised long ago and therefore not so much in the way. My connection with him seemed without end, and I somehow knew and was drawn to the person he was without seeing him or touching. When we did meet it was 2 years after the fact, but I knew him. Maybe it’s this:
Whining and scarcity — hardly. He had other women, and he had them. I had other men who fell in love with me. He didn’t need me just like I didn’t need him. We both had relationships in those 2 years with several others. In the end they simply didn’t fill that void.
Evidence?
Biology is proof. Such a primal response to sex is a necessary and vital component of male adolescence. I’ve spoken to men at length about it, but it’s also well-documented in literature and history. Men have done many things for love and sex… they have killed, even. The overriding of such powerful chemicals require a bit more developed frontal cortex which does not fully form in men until mid-20s.
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Men are the weaker sex, except in muscle strength. Women can have multiple orgasms, 99% of men cannot. Women go insane less, commit suicide less, live longer, have greater endurance. No man can completely satisfy a woman. Any exceptions prove the rule, as they say.
Men fear women because of our biological superiority and mysterious ways. Because men are by and large intellectual, they fear what they can’t understand. So they want to dominate and control to make up the difference. Am not saying women should rule and control everything, but if men don’t respect women just BECAUSE, and not for any particular intellectual ‘reason’, our society is fucked.
Men and women come from women. As long as women give birth, that’s the facts, Jack. So, men, you can have a million reasons to disrespect women, but in the end you’re just fucking yourselves, them and society in general and not in a good way. When a woman allows you into her body, you find nothing in that to respect (judging from the posts here) even though you say it is so vitally important that they let you in.
One would think the importance of them being personally, physically, sexually available to you would garner SOME kind of appreciation and respect. Instead what I’m hearing here by and large are just ‘how can be get over’ on women to get our ‘needs’ met stategies; without having to appreciate and respect them. You’re simply fucked up if that’s how you’re operating. But because “everyone” is doing it, you’re like lemmings to the sea. Carry on. 🙂
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I’m not sure to believe.
On the one hand, most ‘game’ seems geared to picking up club hotties (pretty natural since that’s what most men are after). It’s not inconceivable the rules of attraction could operate differently for nerd women.
On the other hand, women are notorious for saying one thing and meaning another (even when they think they mean what they say!). Also, as women get older, they have to settle for betas. And Hope may be a special case; she cited an abusive relationship between her parents. If I grew up seeing an alpha beat my mom, I’d avoid alphas like the plague.
So who knows who’s right?
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On the other hand, women are notorious for saying one thing and meaning another (even when they think they mean what they say!). Also, as women get older, they have to settle for betas. And Hope may be a special case; she cited an abusive relationship between her parents. If I grew up seeing an alpha beat my mom, I’d avoid alphas like the plague.
On the scale of introvert extrovert or beta alpha, nerdy girls often rank more on the left than nerdy guys. Therefore it is not too difficult for a nerdy guy to be more extroverted or even appear to be an “alpha” compared to a nerdy girl. All you have to do is approach with anything, and they won’t know what to do with themselves.
Too much “alpha-ness” and extroversion will scare them off — happened to me in 8th grade with a very popular and good-looking guy. I just didn’t believe he could have ever been interested in me and believed he was just toying with me. Years later I found out that he is totally into Asian girls and is still currently dating one.
Nerdy girls are often so painfully shy that they are all but virginal in appearance (what David Alexander calls “boring” or “asexual”), but underneath the squeaky clean exterior is a different story. It’s funny because my boss remarked to me off-handedly once, since I don’t drink alcohol or coffee or smoke: “You don’t have any vices, do you?” I remember thinking to myself, “Oh I do. But you’ll never know them.” I am like a walking atomic bomb of goodie two shoes, but that’s not really me. It’s a very useful mask to face the world though.
To be a club hottie requires a kind of personality I could just never pull off, and most nerdy girls probably couldn’t pull it off either. Ironically, most nerdy girls really love dance / electronica / trance music. If you watch some anime music videos on YouTube (many of which are made by girls), they most often feature such music that are played in clubs.
Most nerdy girls do want a super hot guy to sweep her off her feet, but they don’t want the heartbreaking part, because they’re used to that from guys. They’ve been overlooked by hot guys (if they aren’t above average in appearance) time and time again, just like the nerdy guys have been by hot girls.
Of course, most attractive nerdy girls are already taken and in long-term relationships. The competition for them is fierce, maybe even more so than for hot club girls because the ratio of geeky guys to girls is so skewed — only they don’t usually have quite the score card of men that they’ve slept with. As to where to find them… the internet. Nerd girls are just like every other nerd. They hide away in their homes, in front of their computers, late at night.
There are always exceptions to generalizations, but I’ve seen with my own eyes enough examples of happy relationships/marriages of two nerdy people to think that it’s not a complete fluke. You might frown on such unions because of the higher chance for “too nerdy” children with genetic defects or whatnot, but sometimes super-geniuses result from such combinations. You roll the dice with life and love.
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nerdy girls can quickly learn to un-nerd themselves by observing and mimicking the idiotic behaviors of un-nerdy girls.
yes, and hope is dead on: if a nerdy girl is above average in looks she is a hot commodity in the sexual market. When a nerdy guys outgrows his nerdiness, or even when a non-nerdy guy wants ‘something else’, he usually seeks long-term relationships with that rare nerdy girl.
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Anonymous – what is there to “respect” about a woman who lets you fuck her? Men respect women who respect themselves. In American culture, this means not taking your clothes off within hours of meeting a guy. Women can enjoy sex with selective long-term relationships and be respected by us, but just a club slut who does one-night stands? She’s a cum dumpster for our enjoyment. We don’t want anything else from her, and it’s unlikely she could provide anything else we could want.
Women cannot sleep around for years and then expect a man to fall in “love” with them after that. Any man who invests time and money in a former pump-and-dump is deluded and stupid.
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45 Jack. Sorry, but you’re pretty fucking cold hearted and cold blooded in your reptilian attitude.
“club slut”, “cum dumpster”, “pump-and-dump”, “deluded and stupid”.
You obviously have no respect for YOURSELF, so how the hell could you have respect for them? Impossible. Thanks for clearing that up for me, PRICK.
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P.S. to Jack. In other words you deserve each other, idiot. 😀
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perfect example of imposing g swagger on a girl
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Nice. I still grimace with pain when I remember doing something very similar to a girl – and then grabbing her when she pretended to walk away. Agh. I ended up banging her friend. So, all was not lost.
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””””Hope,
Whining and scarcity — hardly. He had other women, and he had them. I had other men who fell in love with me. He didn’t need me just like I didn’t need him. We both had relationships in those 2 years with several others. In the end they simply didn’t fill that void.””””””””’
One tear almost comes out.
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”””””””’Hope,
I’m a lot less insecure now that I have a wonderful man who tells me all the time that I’m the beautiful and sexiest girl in the world — and he actually believes it. I am really spoiled. I wish more men and women treated each other with love and cherished what little time they have together here on earth. Our lives are so short and fleeting.
If people truly are happy with sleeping around without emotional connection, then good for them. The time we do have is too short to live it in misery, without attraction and without sex, which is a healthy and essential component of our lives. I’m just offering a different kind of happiness, one that may be attained through a different approach… not through logical tactics, games and strategy, but illogical, genuine and impulsive feelings.””””””””’
Dang that is nuts. Hope must be ready for her third man since she is now coming back again.
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