Sex talk ranks up there with full body massages, cunnilingus, and 5,000 thread count bed sheets as an aphrodisiac for women. If you have a woman already into you through your game and personal attributes, the deft deployment of sex talk will boost her attraction for you into the stratosphere. A nimble tongue is like mental lube to a woman, opening her up for the physical act to follow. Properly delivered lines of descriptive eroticism whispered into her ear can turn her into a torrid gushing avalanche of desire.
The degree of difference between what wordplay stimulation will do to a woman’s sexual arousal and a man’s couldn’t be more stark. While men enjoy a marginal increase in pleasure listening to a woman moan and talk dirty during sex, women become absolutely apoplectic with lust when you describe the sexual tension in explicit detail. You can literally make a woman’s neck hair stand on end by telling her what you are about to do to her. (Note: If she is a pretentious artsy chick who never misses a First Friday at the R Street art galleries and takes great pains to display the right magazines on her coffee table, the more multisyllable and French words you will have to use. Brush up on your euphemisms. Smart chicks dig euphemisms.)
Of course, most men don’t do this because 1) it’s time away from actual fucking, 2) it seems kinda gay, and 3) they are not as verbally oriented as women and therefore don’t see the point in it. But catering to a woman’s interests doesn’t always have to entail sacrifice; sometimes it is a source of power. Once you understand that women respond wildly to a small investment of your time and effort arousing her with erotic commentary, you will use this to your advantage to have her hooked on you like a drug.
Speaking of getting a woman addicted to you, the Big Three things you can do in the bedroom, in order of effectiveness, that will have her thinking of you while stroking the zucchini in the supermarket are:
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Squirting orgasms. This is the holy grail of sexual satisfaction. Learn to bring a woman to leg-trembling ecstasy by making her ejaculate with your fingers and she will cling to you like a baby chimpanzee on its mother’s back.
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Regular orgasms. Not as nerve-frying or psychologically-imprinting as the squirting variety, but still effective, because if the studies are to be believed the majority of women don’t experience them with their men.
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Sex Talk. Start reading some romance novels and incorporate the purple prose into your end game seduction routine.
Sex talk doesn’t have to be long-winded. What’s important is the vivid detail in what you say and the tone of voice you use to say it. Try to be as thorough in your erotic monologues as possible. Say it with a low, slow, gravelly voice very close to her left ear. Breathe heavily so that she feels the hot air on her skin. Here is an example of something I said to a girl which verbally stimulated her during a moment of intimacy:
How does it feel thinking about my hand slowly sliding down your belly, over the thatch of your pubic mound, and prying apart your cleft to expose your hot, wet, crimson lips waiting to be violently penetrated…
She gasped and said “Wow, that’s kind of a turn-on!”. Her wetness confirmed her words.
As mentioned above, for pretentious yuppie chicks you will want to substitute euphemisms for crass four letter words, especially if you are banging an art student or a DJ groupie. This makes whatever you say sound “literary”. For example, instead of saying this:
I’m gonna fuck your pussy with my rock hard cock and cum all over your face.
Say this:
I’m gonna pierce your womanhood with my throbbing turgid essence and unleash torrents of hot, sticky, demon seed all over your face.
Crass four letter words and painful hair-pulling are acceptable if you’re fucking a lawyer. In fact, they’re required.
PS: this was a meta-post for the ladies.

oh come on! you’ve never uttered “I’m gonna pierce your womanhood with my throbbing turgid essence and unleash torrents of hot, sticky, demon seed all over your face” and if you ever have, the laughing that ensued relegated the experience to the “lessons learned” category.
what are the parameters of electronic/mobile communication sex talk?
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if you step out of your selfishness and do something for someone else, you will benefit in the long run. lesson of this blog in general.
actually if a guy says I’m gonna pierce your womanhood with my throbbing turgid essence and unleash torrents of hot, sticky, demon seed all over your face i am bound to laugh, which is good on its own
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A meta-post for the ladies? This is so boring.
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roissy, I think you are just sex obsessed in general.
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Funny, as you go all intellectually deep with the smart hipster chicks, I go the opposite rout with my hood rats.
I get the same results when I tell em I want to slop her up like a buttermilk biscuit and pour hot sauce on her feet.
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“you will use this to your advantage to have her hooked on you like a drug.”
You’re a drug pusher, then? How very impressive.
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This reminds me of an unfortunate experience where the phrase “warm flood” was used in my bedroom. I have never quite recovered from that.
I have been “hooked” on one man my whole entire life. He was practically mute. Just sayin’….
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Women rarely have orgasms with their guy, and one strong predictor of having one is the guy’s facial symmetry — so, more likely with a guy who has a good-looking face. That’s not something that can be taught or practiced, though!
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This applies to Pickup Artist advice in general — it’s like some guy who got into Harvard saying, “Here’s what to say in your essay” and “Here’s a ranking of the preferred extracurriculars.” In reality, most of it is due to having really high SAT scores and grades, and instinctual drive / ambition that your teachers will have noticed and can testify about in recommendations. None of these can be taught or practiced.
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Women rarely have orgasms with their guy
Where did you get these stats, scientist? Most women I know orgasm only when they’re comfortable and trust the man they’re with.
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…if you ever have, the laughing that ensued relegated the experience to the “lessons learned” category.
actually if a guy says … i am bound to laugh
What I find interesting bout this is that Roissy, regardless of what you think of him, is trying to help guys give girls orgasms.
Some of you think it is good advice, some think it is bad advice.
But the reaction from girls to guys making honest attempts is often the same: Laughter.
And it reminds me of something a girlfriend one did for me. In an attempt to “spice things up”, she wore some thong underwear (for her, this was racy).
Well, she did not have the figure to really pull it off.
Did I laugh at her? No fucking way. Regardless of the results, she was obviously trying to do something for me.
It was Sweet and Thoughtful if, ultimately, Inneffective.
Thoughts?
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I know a few wll be interested in how I reacted. I told her that I liked it, but that I loved some of the other things that she wore. Basically, that it was good, but other things were great.
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What I find interesting bout this is that…
should be:
What I find interesting about this is that…
and,
And it reminds me of something a girlfriend one did for me.
should read:
And it reminds me of something a girlfriend once did for me.
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Usually Lurking,
Damn it, you might have just written the best comment of 2008. I feel a lot of women can sit back here and laugh or hate on what Roissy says because they don’t like him. But then they fail to see that all he’s doing is sharing his experience with picking up women to help.
Some guys need A LOT of help. I know grown men in their late 30’s who still have trouble going up and talking to girls. The same girls hating here also wonder why guys don’t approach more or if their dating try something new.
You’re right about not laughing at your girl though, it reminds me of how my ex used to laugh out loud at me every time I took off my pants…. Wait what?
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lol “demon seed”
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I thoroughly enjoy your blog and generally agree with 90-something percent of it, even if it is sometimes with sad resignation. However, if a guy said that stuff to me, no matter how involved we were, I would not even have the option of sparing his feelings- I would instantaneously burst out laughing before duct taping his mouth for the rest of the interlude.
Which, I suppose, may turn out to be a win-win in the end…
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Virgle, thanks.
You are talking to a guy who is 32 and just starting to learn how to approach people. Never felt comfortable in my own skin, that sorta thing.
What is funny about this, and something that Roissy has touched on before, is that it is the “assholes” who often dominate the social scene because they are undaunted.
While the Betas sit back and either play Zelda or have a Pity-Party for themselves.
But I would love to hear from the girls on this one.
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I would instantaneously burst out laughing before duct taping his mouth
— Tally —
Girls: 3
Guys: 0
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I get turned on when the guys make noises. Big moaners = big turn on. The more feedback response I get from what I give, the happier I am. Then it becomes a happiness feedback loop where the guy feels good = I feel good = I give more = the guy feels better.
As far as dirty talk goes, I feel like tension building = good, porno talk = ick. The porn I watch, I prefer wordless. Not complete silence, mind you, because moans are good as I said. But those awful, rehearsed lines… I don’t laugh at them. I cringe.
Most women I know orgasm only when they’re comfortable and trust the man they’re with.
Sometimes mechanical aids are needed, but you are right. So is he, though. A lot of women simply don’t get off from straight penetration penis-in-vagina sex. Biologically, it’s a minority of women that can get off that way.
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Usually Lurking,
Assholes dominate because women likes assholes. God damn if I haven’t been drawn to some distant mother fuckers who were just horrifically bad for me. I am trying to outgrow this, but…
I was talking to a friend about this this weekend. Women want some sly, smooth, charismatic, center of attention guy. Someone who makes them feel special just by being with them. Then, once they get with these guys, they want them to settle down, be content to be the other half of a relationship. But the thing is, guys like this, the center of attention guys, will never calm down. They are inherently a little selfish and unable to settle. They know the next good lay awaits around the corner and they have the skills to draw them in. There will always be a bevy of women craving attention and needing validation through their assholery.
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I don’t laugh at them. I cringe.
Hope,
(If you read my previous posting) I am curious, how do you think my girldfriend would have felt if I had cringed when she “presented” herself to me?
I understand that you might be “cringing” on the inside, and not outwardly, but still.
What if you had said something like, “That kind of Dirty Talk is OK, but I really like it when …”?
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My dirty talk used to consist mostly of “Hey baby, spread ’em.” (I’m only verbose when I write)
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Usually Lurking–I agree…this post was actually one FOR men to please WOMEN…
I like it.
Athough throbbing turgid essence made me giggle.
I’m with Hope on the moaning…guys moaning is sexy…shows YOU are turning THEM on.
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i like man moaning to a minimum.
oh please don’t make this blog sound all altruistic. sheesh
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Where did you get these stats, scientist? Most women I know orgasm only when they’re comfortable and trust the man they’re with.
Try the Case of the Female Orgasm.
The problem is the real orgasm-maker, the clit, isn’t positioned in a way where common or convenient sexual positions give it any of the necessary friction.
So women who do orgasm without clit touching are sort of like the high school boy who creams by touching a boob or at the first hint of lady hand on his balls: psychologically excited enough that minor things send him up and over the arousal cliff.
That’s why male facial attractiveness, but not income, or experience, or relationship duration, creates orgasms in women. Beauty is genuinely sexually exciting.
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Athough throbbing turgid essence made me giggle.
So Kassy, would you giggle if a guy said something like that? I am curious.
oh please don’t make this blog sound all altruistic.
I don’t think that this blog is altruistic. I think that he blogs for the same reason that everyone else does: he likes to talk about what he likes to talk about.
But, this posting was meant to be of some help. and, even if it wasn’t, I think that my question was still valid.
So, Irina, ever laughed at a guy in the bedroom?
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Damn it, roissy. I knew you read romance novels; it’s the only other place your material gained from the field could be supplemented that well… and there’s no other place they mention turgidity and womanhood in that manner.
But, seriously, you are joking about the ‘pretentious’ line. Surely those girls in particular would be all turned on at the dirty, vulgar badboy saying naughty, shocking things in her ear?
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Well, sorry about the generalisation, there. Not all, the majority..
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never at a guy, with a guy yes. big difference. taking things seriously is lame and a turn off
and isn’t the case for the female orgasm just saying that it has no function at all? and that if a woman was to experience one with a man who was symmetrical, than that would seem like a function? having symmetrical babies seems like a good goal to me.
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Usually Lurking–I think I would just be surprised because I am not used to such flowery sex talk.
I appreciate the basics. 🙂
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(If you read my previous posting) I am curious, how do you think my girldfriend would have felt if I had cringed when she “presented” herself to me?
I understand that you might be “cringing” on the inside, and not outwardly, but still.
I’m cringing at the porn lines, not at the guys I’m with. They’ve never talked that way to me, which is just fine. No words needed, just actions. My husband tries to tell me how sexy and beautiful I am when we’re in bed together, but that doesn’t turn me on (nor does it inspire cringes / laughter), but more makes me feel confident enough to turn him on, which does work. Do you see the difference?
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most guys don’t even know where the clit is, i often have to give directions.
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never at a guy, with a guy yes. big difference.
Hey, laughing with a guy is a great sign. It implies a real sense of comfort between the two.
…taking things seriously is lame and a turn off…
But you can understand why an inexperienced or nervous guy (a man who is looking to please, but is not an experienced player) might be kinda “serious”.
I can imagine that it would be a turn-off for some, but, you could probably let him in on that.
“Jeez, Mike, you seem to be ‘All Business’ when we are alone. You should try to have more fun. Ya’ know, let loose. I bet it would be great!”
Or, something like that.
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…but that doesn’t turn me on (nor does it inspire cringes / laughter), but more makes me feel confident enough to turn him on, which does work. Do you see the difference?
Of course I can see the difference. But, I had to find out.
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i dunno.
i think “game” might help because dealing with women is a mystery for many men, so some gameplan can help in talking to and initially dating a girl.
once you are dating all you have to do is go with the flow and just fuck her good. if you want to do something just do it, if she doesn’t dig it then she prolly won’t dig it if you talked to her about it first.
my “sex game” plan
(helps if you are dating, but can work if you just met)
kiss her
grab her
throw her on the bed/ground/wall/table
fuck her senseless
play it by ear and try not to fart when you cum
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Game is not about adding new filters to yourself it is about removing the filters that stifle you.
Ussually learning this will cut several years off of your learning curve.
http://www.rsdnation.com/
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and isn’t the case for the female orgasm just saying that it has no function at all? and that if a woman was to experience one with a man who was symmetrical, than that would seem like a function?
I don’t get your logic. Obviously it does have a function: it feels really good for women. CotFO argues that it is not an evolutionary adaptation, which means something entirely different. Women could orgasm more for symmetrical men whether or not it is an adaptation (after all they orgasm more when you rub it too).
I’m not going to derail. I cited that book only because it has the stats to support the claim that not many women reliably orgasm during sex, since a source was requested.
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You can be vocal without being verbal. Swearing and grunting are preferable to silence, but all of that “throbbing, turgid essence” is best left to phone sex. Even then it’s a stretch but at least you can’t see the recipient rolling their eyes and making gagging gestures.
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19, Lemmonex
“Women want some sly, smooth, charismatic, center of attention guy. Someone who makes them feel special just by being with them.”
These types are the biggest nightmares. The more handsome, the bigger the nightmare. Ever hear of Narcissistic Personality Disorder? They don’t WANT you to feel special around them, they NEED you to feel special around them. It’s called “narcissistic supply” and it like an addictive drug to them See roissy for details.
“They are inherently a little selfish and unable to settle.”
You’re being kind here. A LITTLE selfish?
13, Virgle
“But then they fail to see that all he’s doing is sharing his experience with picking up women to help.”
That would be nice, but he also shares his thinly veiled misanthropic attitude.
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That would be nice, but he also shares his thinly veiled misanthropic attitude.
I agree. Roissy should learn to be more sensitive to girls, especially when they are vulnerable.
Even then it’s a stretch but at least you can’t see the recipient rolling their eyes and making gagging gestures.
– Tally –
Girls: 4
Guys: 0
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God damn if I haven’t been drawn to some distant mother fuckers who were just horrifically bad for me. I am trying to outgrow this, but…
Lemmonex, I am curious, about what age were you when you felt like this? That is, when you were drawn to “assholes”.
I was talking to a friend about this this weekend.
So, was your friend drawn to “assholes” as well?
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These types are the biggest nightmares. …They don’t WANT you to feel special around them, they NEED you to feel special around them.
So, Anonymous, were you ever drawn to that guy? The handsome guy with the Ego?
Or, is this something that you more or less witnessed, but did not fall “victim” to yourself?
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So the question begs to be asked: do men like it when women talk dirty? If she whispers naughty words in his ears to tell him what she plans to do with him? To build up anticipation and excitement?
My personal experience says that men do like it, and that they have active fantasies as well — maybe more so than women. And that a woman can also get a man addicted to her. If two people are both intoxicated with each other then the bedroom acrobatics become quite amazing.
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Yes, I guess a little selfish is charitable, Anon. Your assessment is also spot on re these types of guys.
UL, I am 27 and the douche lust still lingers. It was at his height at 25, which was when I lost a lot of weight. I hate fucked a lot of dudes that would have previously ignored me. We all have our issues…
The friend is almost 10 years older than me; she said she liked assholes when she was my age.
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I hate fucked a lot of dudes…
That’s a new one for me. What is Hate Fucking?
Of the guys that did not ignore you when you were heavier, how many of them did you sleep with?
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roissy:
write them. or be on the cover.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2008/02/10/are-you-the-sexiest-torontonian.aspx
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there’s nothing like a day full of dirty texting…..
-just saying.
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Woops, 44 Anonymous was me.
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41 Usually Lurking,
“So, Anonymous, were you ever drawn to that guy? The handsome guy with the Ego?:
I cannot begin to tell you the long horrid nightmare I lived through. Handsome is not the word. 6’2′ tall, black curly hair, gorgeous olive skin and eyes, the best in bed, the best kisser. I was a complete goner. We lived together for 18 months and I fell hard, ignoring the red flags. I was 100% addicted.
Now why would a woman of great looks, potential, humor, intelligence, vitality, heart, and great intentions fall for such a one as that? He is my father, plain and simple. A total narcissist, though I love my daddy, would rather shoot myself than be married to him. There is something charming, lovable, and very evil about my father; God love him. Five years and I am just now FREE AT LAST. No more daddy issues.
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44 UL
Regarding “Hate Fucking”. May I? Listen to “Hate F@#k” by Mount
Sims for details. Am I right, Lemmonex?
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the biological -point- of the female orgasm, students, is that the woman instinctively pulls the man deeper inside her and then repeatedly contracts her vaginal muscles around his “seminal delivery mechanism,” thus ensuring a more efficient delivery of semen in closer vicinity to her eggs. an orgasming body doesn’t notice if a condom is in the way; sexual climax (if it can be achieved) is the same regardless. orgasms are nature’s way of setting humans up for optimal BABYMAKING!
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I am a noisy fuck by nature. Moaning just comes naturally, a little catching of the breath, a few “Oh my God’s!”, “I love it when you do that”, “Jesus!” thrown in for good measure. Mmmmmm and ahhhhhhs, of course. But dirty talk, per se? No. Not my style. I don’t think I would like if from a man either. I do like it when they say “OH YEAH!” or “OH BABY!”. That’s always nice.
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…ignoring the red flags…
Was he a bad person or did he simply have some issues?
What I mean is, well, you say you had “Daddy Issues” (btw, you make it sound like you had sex with your father…literally).
And, so, with these issues, you would act in a relationship that was not completely healthy.
Could the same be said for him? That is, his (unhealthy) desires were allowed to be satisfied.
…would rather shoot myself than be married to him.
Was he looking to get married? Or, was he happy with the romantic relationship?
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The Mount Sims song pretty much says it all. Think of it this way: I bet half the women on here want to hate fuck Roissy.
And UL, it’s not like I tracked down every kid that was mean to me in kindergarten or who ignored me in a bar and screwed them…more just the prototype. And a good girl never tells her number.
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I don’t think I would like if from a man either.
So, Greta, if a man, not knowing your specific turn-ons, said something like,
How does it feel thinking about my hand slowly sliding down your belly, over the thatch of your pubic mound, and prying apart your cleft to expose your hot, wet, crimson lips waiting to be violently penetrated…
…how would you react?
Oh, and,
I am a noisy fuck by nature. Moaning just comes naturally, …
keep up the great work. I mean that.
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And a good girl never tells her number.
I wasn’t looking for a number per se, more an idea of Assholes vs Nice Guys.
What I mean is, even when you were heavier, there definitely were guys who treated you with decency and respect. And I am willing to bet that more than a few liked you, even if there niceness (i.e. awkward, shy, etc.) prevented outright come-ons.
Also, I am still totally lost on the Hate Fucking. I read the lyrics and I can not tell if the Hate Fucker likes the person or not. Granted, I am pretty dense, hence all of the questions I got.
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Saying you want to ‘hate fuck’ a man is just a redundant way of saying you want to fuck him, but you hate yourself because you want to. ‘Hate fucking’ a man is like hate-giving-a-million-dollars-to a man or hate-making-a-delicious-dinner-for a man; the hate part doesn’t add any extra, meaningful information, except about your own internal drama.
the biological -point- of the female orgasm, students, is that the woman instinctively pulls the man deeper inside her… thus ensuring a more efficient delivery of semen
The book lists many experiments that show this doesn’t happen.
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52 Usually Lurking
“Was he a bad person or did he simply have some issues?”
Both in my opinion. He was an unhealthy person.
” you make it sound like you had sex with your father”
No I have never had sex with my father, but he used to lust after me when I was a developing teenager; as in make lewd suggestive noises if I walked through the room in my bathing suit for example.
“Could the same be said for him? That is, his (unhealthy) desires were allowed to be satisfied.”
In a way, yes. I was in fact representative of his mother, though healthier. She used to beat him and spoil him. I never knew he had such a horrible upbringing and guess what? So, did my father! But I was the same basic personality. I get pissed, but get over it. He absolutely could not deal with anger directly, so he was passive aggressive. You know, like the silent treatment and nasty mind fucking cruelties of that nature.
“Was he looking to get married? Or, was he happy with the romantic relationship?”
He was too frightened of me to ever marry me, but I would have married him in a heartbeat. Such is the power of instinct. I’ve learned to tell the difference finally between instinct and heartfelt love. Instinct is of course incredibly powerful having honed itself for millions of years, whereas higher human emotions take more conscious personal development, discernment, and sensitivity.
He was indeed happy with the relationship unless some little thing did not go his way, then the games would begin. A problem that could take an adult five minutes to resolve, he would drag on for months. Very disturbing shit. My mother drinks a lot; bless her. She’s no saint either, let me tell you. I just booked a flight to go see them. It gives new meaning to the term “home sickness”.
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U.L.
“So, Greta, if a man, not knowing your specific turn-ons, said something like,
How does it feel thinking about my hand slowly sliding down your belly, over the thatch of your pubic mound, and prying apart your cleft to expose your hot, wet, crimson lips waiting to be violently penetrated…”
Plain and simple, it would be a turn off. I would think he was trying too hard or simply treating the situation like a bad porn movie.
I would wonder how he manages to compose such florid descriptions under the conditions. I’d be more impressed if he would keep his mouth shut and get busy.
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No I have never had sex with my father, but he used to lust after me when I was a developing teenager
That is horrible. I am really sorry.
You imply that you are doing better now. Did you go to Therapy? OR, did you just feel like that you had lived through certain things and now you are smarter and more aware?
Both in my opinion. He was an unhealthy person.
Well, the point that I was trying to make was something like this:
You said that you had a difficult and confusing childhood and, ultimately, did some unhealthy things as an adult.
Couldn’t he say the same thing.
I understand that you were on the receiving end of his garbage, but he was simply reacting to a difficult and confusing childhood.
It doesnt really matter. I was just curious.
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I would think he was trying too hard or simply treating the situation like a bad porn movie.
But would laugh, or giggle or roll your eyes?
Would it destory the moment? Would sex be out of the question after that?
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60 Possibly out of the question. Chances are that I would never find myself in such a situation, as I take things quite slowly sexually speaking and would then not get that far with a man who was prone to florid prose in (what I consider) inappropriate situations. 😀
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^ In addition, it would be better if he was going to talk, to say how good I smell, taste, feel, or look not what he is going to do to me.
The comments:
“How does it feel thinking about MY hand slowly sliding down your belly, over the thatch of your pubic mound, and prying apart your cleft to expose your hot, wet, crimson lips waiting to be violently penetrated…””
It’s like roissy is looking for approval on his performance.
Remember the woman’s response was, “She gasped and said “Wow, that’s KIND of a turn-on!”. She may have just been being polite. KIND of a turn on, is not that impressive.
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In addition, it would be better if he was going to talk, to say how good I smell, taste, feel, or look not what he is going to do to me.
So, would you let him know what you want…or just let the moment die?
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I’d like to chime is and say making a woman to cum so hard she squirts is great, but I can speak from first hand ( no pun intended ) experience that it also turns girls psycho sometimes. Like super clingy, “I’ll die without you” psycho.
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Hate fucking is actually an inner game issue that affects both men and women. In men it takes the form of the us versus them mentality in game. The ones that take game and “trick” women into sleeping with them. This reflects a lack of solid inner game. In women’s case it reflects an incongruence between the exterior and interior much like for the man. As in you yourself don’t feel deserving of the man, but you feel like you are tricking the guy into fucking you. That is where that unpleasant feeling comes from. It isn’t the guy you hate, but yourself because in truth you don’t yet feel deserving of the guy.
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Saying you want to ‘hate fuck’ a man is just a redundant way of saying you want to fuck him, but you hate yourself because you want to.
wow, i never knew mars and venus were that many million miles apart. dear god.
when a man ‘hate fucks’ a woman, he fucks her even though he despises her, or at least her general archetype of female. this archetype is largely summed up as follows: ‘girls who, while hot, are completely unsuitable for a real relationship because they’re too hard-driving/competitive/bitchy/etc.’
for a visual, think of the way roissy talks about fucking lawyer chix.
in one of the natural world’s beautiful coincidences, the women who make the best candidates for h.f.-ing will actually love all aspects of the hate fuck. pull their hair, spit on them and rub it into their skin, slap their asses, tits and clits* until they yelp like little schoolgirls, etc. –these girls will always give the right answer to ‘tell me just how much of a little fucking slut you are’, especially if the question is posed during a ridiculous episode of squirtage.
the only downside is that hate fucking is MUCH more addictive than love fucking, a phenomenon that sometimes leads to turbulent relationships that are as lengthy as they are ill-advised.
*it’s amazing how pulling the fingers out, slapping the pussy, reinserting the fingers, and then going back to town can intensify an orgasm that’s imminent or already occurring.
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#65 In men it takes the form of the us versus them mentality in game. The ones that take game and “trick” women into sleeping with them.
shens, bullshit, etc.
if a girl cheats on a boring, reliable partner, it’s almost certainly because she wants to be h.f.’d. there is absolutely no ‘trick’ required – the more direct, the better.
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oh, and by the way, this snippet
the only downside is that hate fucking is MUCH more addictive than love fucking, a phenomenon that sometimes leads to turbulent relationships that are as lengthy as they are ill-advised.
applies to both genders, whether they like it or not.
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63, U.L. “So, would you let him know what you want…or just let the moment die?”
I’ve never had any dying moments in bed, so I wouldn’t know. If a man says wonderful things in my ear, that is a real turn on, but I”m not a trainer type. If he doesn’t say those things, I’m not apt to be turned OFF. Am not one of those hard to please bitches.
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I’ve never had any dying moments in bed, so I wouldn’t know.
Good for you. Hey, I know you were looking for a man who wasnt a complete pansie when you get a little angry…well, I was raised in a Scottish household, and, well, those are some angry motherfuckers.
Give me a call. Trust me, I can take it.
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70 U.L. Yes, I was speaking of the Pretty Italian Pussy-Man. A man who can take it? Good Grief! They exist? Where can I find you? LOL. Thank you, but of course one must remain anonymous here!
My best woman friend is Scottish. What I like about Europeans; the seem more realistic. They can accept and allow imperfections in beauty and character. They can handle the rough edges, positive and negative passions; they have more fortitude? I like to think so. I used to tell the Italian, that if he wanted the benefits of my passion, he had to realize that I didn’t get that way through repression and suppression of other less socially correct emotions.
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65 anon: “It isn’t the guy you hate, but yourself because in truth you don’t yet feel deserving of the guy.”
Yes, she doesn’t deserve him; as in she doesn’t deserve to be treated like shit and is pissed off at herself for allowing it.
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65 anon: “It isn’t the guy you hate, but yourself because in truth you don’t yet feel deserving of the guy.”
Yes, she doesn’t deserve him; as in she doesn’t deserve to be treated like shit and is pissed off at herself for allowing it.
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wow, i never knew mars and venus were that many million miles apart.
Yep, it doesn’t work the other way around. Women can be used and degraded with sex, while men can’t (by women at least).
When men hate-fuck a woman, the woman is degraded. When women “hate-fuck” a man, the woman is degraded.
Women can be used as worthless cum dumpsters, but men who are given sex are always thereby shown to be men of value.
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#47 Lemmonex: UL, I am 27 and the douche lust still lingers. It was at his height at 25, which was when I lost a lot of weight. I hate fucked a lot of dudes that would have previously ignored me. We all have our issues…
The friend is almost 10 years older than me; she said she liked assholes when she was my age.
Here we see the Nice Guy’s Dilemma. When women are young and attractive, they want assholes (or alpha males, or what have you). By the time they’re ready for a “nice guy” or a “grownup” or whatever code word they want to use for someone stable and considerate who’ll take care of them — emotionally if not financially — they’re usually well on the far side of their physical peak, steadily gaining speed as they barrel down the slope. Nice guys get the leftovers, in other words. That’s why so many nice guys wake up and start acting more like assholes.
I don’t mean to single you out, Lemmonex — your post just stood out as a great example of the phenomenon. Case in point: I’ll bet your 10-years-older friend is now married to a nice guy. Am I right?
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Lemmonex says “good girls” don’t tell their number. Not exactly – “good girls” don’t “hate fuck” every asshole who didnt want them when they were a fat tub. “Good girls” actually don’t “hate fuck” anybody.
Why did you like assholes more after you lost weight?
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Here we see the Nice Guy’s Dilemma. When women are young and attractive, they want assholes (or alpha males, or what have you). By the time they’re ready for a “nice guy” or a “grownup” or whatever code word they want to use for someone stable and considerate who’ll take care of them — emotionally if not financially — they’re usually well on the far side of their physical peak, steadily gaining speed as they barrel down the slope. Nice guys get the leftovers, in other words. That’s why so many nice guys wake up and start acting more like assholes.
That is the same conclusion that this Nice Guy came to. I didn’t mean for my questions to lead down that path, but, here we are.
Granted, she and her friend make a Sample Size = 2. But, when you add in the story from “48 anonymous”, and the other comments from girls on previous entries, well, it starts to add up.
Even Alias Clio has implied that she had once fallen for an Alpha or two. Again, when she was younger.
I think that Hope might be the only one to imply that she is simply not attracted to that kind of person.
And what is really interesting about all this, at least to me, is that they never actually get less attracted to the Alpha, they just start to train themselves to look for a non-Asshole.
That is, the urge or instinct is still there, they just need to fight it.
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This does not bode well for our culture.
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Why did you like assholes more after you lost weight?
I can not speak for Lemmonex, but she was probably not more attracted to them after she lost weight.
I think that someone loike Roissy would say that these guys were Displaying Higher Value.
Now, she was not likely attracted to ALL of the guys (prototypes) that ignored her, but at least some.
Then, after she lost weight and started to buy sexy clothes, she now felt like she could get them. The guys that ignored her.
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Well, Christ. Let me clarify…I didn’t “hate fuck” everyone who would not look at me when I was a “fat tub”. Only like, 250 of them. God, is my pussy tired.
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Hope might be the only one to imply that she is simply not attracted to that kind of person.
I didn’t imply it. I outright said it. When I was young (and I have to face it — 24 is no spring chicken anymore) I was always attracted to the smartest boys around, who were always a bit dorky but cute.
The guys I dated almost always had dated girls before or after me who were overweight, not very attractive, but intelligent and had personality. That actually raised his value to me in my eyes. I couldn’t be with a completely superficial guy, so any guy who could genuinely like a girl who wasn’t attractive was amazing to me.
Also, no “nice guy” is completely “nice” all the time. Despite my generally quiet and shy personality, I did try to push around a few guys in my time (young female hormones usually wreak havoc on a relationship). It does not work, even when the guy was completely in love with me. There is always push and give.
Nice guys get the leftovers, in other words.
If that means they get the girls who aren’t “totally hot” and perfectly manicured with the latest fashions, then yeah maybe they get the “leftovers.” But that’s just being picky on a dimension that means very little for actual relationships (would most men really want a girl that spends thousands per month on makeup and clothes rather than having that money go toward something substantial?).
Strip the hot girls of their fashion and makeup, and most of them are just like the “non-hot” girls. The few percent with amazing bone structure, natural beauty and who look as gorgeous without makeup as with — I know a few who aren’t married to alphas, but to men who treat them right. The rest are still single, because they keep holding out for the “perfect” man, who does not exist but in fairy tales.
If women could look past the standards of perfection and expectations they’ve set up for themselves, they would be much happier. If men could look past the standards of beauty set by the media, they could find a lot more women. A lot of “nice girls” were left to the sidelines when they were young just like a lot of “nice guys” were. Yet they rarely if ever look at each other — only those who are deemed the “hottest” and “most alpha.”
When people who are seeking perfection actually get what they think they want, they no longer want it. That’s because nothing in life is perfect, or perfect enough for the human ideal. There’s a Bad Religion song called “Chasing the Wild Goose” that sums up this situation.
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HOPE: a little song (the descendents: dog & pony show)
Another night of maybe and almost
Abandoning a land of passin’ ghosts
Just a lot of sad people forgive them Lord
They don’t care what they do
Or who they do it to
At the dog and pony show
They don’t wanna know
To think I could have stayed home
Instead of watching this ugly lust and ordinary dirt
But no one cares, so nobody gets hurt
Just a lot of sad people forgive them Lord
They don’t care who they do
Or what it does to you
At the dog and pony show
They don’t wanna know
They’re doing some blow
They all stand in line and take their chances
Roping all their robot dances
Dying to get off
There’s a lot of pretty girls here looking tight
They’re not good girls
But they’re good for the night
They’re telling me to buzz off
Well that’s okay, cause I never liked them anyway
It’s no place for a mongrel mutt like me
Mating rights go to the best of breed
Just a lot of sad people
Caught in between
Desire and despair
I guess I’ll see you there
At the lost and lonely
Dog and pony show
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Well, Christ. Let me clarify…I didn’t “hate fuck” everyone who would not look at me when I was a “fat tub”. Only like, 250 of them.
Lemmonex, I hope you were not offended by anything that I said. I really appreciated your honesty. After you talked about losing weight, I then went to your blog and read your post on how you felt before and after losing weight.
(In High School, I was the fattest kid in my class. A class of over 400 kids. I thought your post was great.)
But your honesty has been helpful for me to understand some of the instincts and urges that girls have. And, for a guy like me, that is important.
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I was always attracted to the smartest boys around, who were always a bit dorky but cute.
Good for you. I could have used a girl like you, but, then again, my grades were not so good.
I couldn’t be with a completely superficial guy…
So which guy is completely superficial? I mean, if you had met a guy in High School and found out that he was attracted to the lithe Brunette with the “rockin'” body, would he then be classified as completely superficial?
If that means they get the girls who aren’t “totally hot” and perfectly manicured with the latest fashions, then yeah maybe they get the “leftovers.”
If I can speak for Reggie, that is not what he was saying. Reggie was saying that many girls (though, not you) are attracted to “Assholes” or “Alphas” when they are younger, say, from 16 – 35 years old (to pick an age range).
The Nice Guys, being Nice (and Shy and Awkward) get very few of these Hot Girls, even though the Nice Guys find them very attractive.
So, the girls spend their younger years dating Assholes. After years of this, they start to re-train themselves or convince themselves to fight there seemingly destructive tendencies.
At this point, they then end up with some Nice Guy (a Beta). Granted, now, they are no longer as attractive as they once were and they are, in Reggies words, gaining speed down that slope. These are the Leftovers.
Strip the hot girls of their fashion and makeup, and most of them are just like the “non-hot” girls.
I can not agree with this one. I have lived in NJ, NYC, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Vancouver. And, for my job, I have traveled quite a bit, including spending a few childhood summers in Scotland.
The difference between Averages, not outliers, can be very big.
For instance, I rarely saw a fat person (guy or girl) in Vancouver. Yet, in Suburban Pennsylvania, they are everywhere. I know, I know, Urban-Life vs Suburban Life…but still, the differences were there.
I know a few who aren’t married to alphas, but to men who treat them right. The rest are still single, because they keep holding out for the “perfect” man
Again, I believe that this gets to Reggie’s point. “The rest are still single” and will likely “settle” for a Nice Guy. Again, after her younger years are behind her. The Nice Guy will get the Leftovers.
If men could look past the standards of beauty set by the media, they could find a lot more women.
If I can speak for all Nice Guys everywhere, this does not apply to us. The search for Perfection does not hold us back. We are Shy and Awkward. A few of us are lucky enough to meet some Confident, Smart Asian girl who is attracted to Smart, Awkward and Shy Nice Guys.
The rest of us download the latest patch to Half-Life and eagerly await the release of “Iron Man”.
We are not extremely picky. But we are lonely.
“Stop playing Video Games in your apartment and get out there. Get off your ass and meet some girls”.
Fair enough. But you did hear the part about being Shy and Awkward?
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i love sex talk its erotic it makes me melt and hot.. it excites me and make me wanna do his biddings….
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U.L. 59
“You imply that you are doing better now. Did you go to Therapy? OR, did you just feel like that you had lived through certain things and now you are smarter and more aware?”
I did much to get through this.
#1 I smashed his fax machine to smithereens and deposited it on his driveway.
#2 I gathered everything of his in my house, put it in large trash bags and deposited them (unceremoniously) on his driveway.
I cried, journaled; numerous tablets of legal pads, read “The Four Agreements” 14 times in a row, went to a Shamanic healer, a counselor, had spiritual mind treatments from the Church of Religious Science, walked on the beach, ate chicken noodle soup, talked to my friends and family, vented, read more books-books upon books upon books. Great books that I’m still thankful for. Learned and discovered many wonderful things. Sent emails, blocked his email, etc. etc.
Cold turkey is the only way I can describe it. Never have I had such gut wrenching emotional pain. It last for years becoming less and less, of course. Did not resort to alcohol or drugs of any kind. Herbs, yes. Lots and lots of uninhibited crying.
Any other question? LOL 😀
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^ 59 U.L. Continuing!!
After 18 months of sex twice a day-on average- and what was for me quite blissful (though flawed..I wasn’t completely blind)–this is how he broke up with me:
I came home to find his garage door opener and key on my night stand. Then he refused to answer my calls. When I finally did talk to him; he said “I don’t want this”; meaning a relationship with me. He HAD already moved out, but it was for a reason other than us breaking up (I will spare you any more details). He proceeded to want me back, for sex of course, for the next 8 months and as much as I tried, found myself back in his bed.
Finally I galvanized myself while he moved on to other women and I continued to try to regain my sanity. Every time his new romances would fail, he would lure me back. This went on for years and is finally DONE. HOORAY!! You should be a counselor U.L. Such a good listener! Thank you.
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I smashed his fax machine to smithereens and deposited it on his driveway.
Haha, that is great. I have to ask: was there anything specific about the Fax Machine or was it simply something he owned that could be destroyed?
You mention books, which books? You seem to go for the New Age type stuff. That is not my scene, but I am curious.
You should be a counselor U.L. Such a good listener!
Thanks. But it is easy, when you are collecting your thoughts, I am busy downloading porn or procrastinating at work.
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UL LISTEN TO THE FREE AUDIO at realsocialdynamics.com you seem to be confused about the nice guys/assholes/alpha/beta/pick up skills distinction.
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UL LISTEN TO THE FREE AUDIO at realsocialdynamics.com you seem to be confused about the nice guys/assholes/alpha/beta/pick up skills distinction.
I don’t think that I am so much confused, more that I am just learning about this stuff for the first time.
But, thank you for the link.
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1) The “Nice Guy” v. “Alpha” is a ridiculous false dichotomy. You people watch too much FX. I’ve dated the homecoming king, and the computer nerd. They both had good and bad points. The homecoming king had better breath, and was less likely to criticize me. I don’t think that means that I should always date Homecoming Kings. Or never date nerds. It means I should stay away from guys who can’t handle a sonicare toothbrush. That’s all.
2) Anyone who claims that he, as an abused “Nice Guy” is being “stuck with the leftovers barreling down the other side of the hill,” is just an asshole.
3) This board seems to be full of assholes who aren’t getting laid. In fact, they have to spend all their time trying to fake being something that is socially acceptable enough that they won’t be immediately screened from the dating pool. That would directly disprove the, “Assholes get laid by women who can’t help themselves” theory a bit, no?
4) Women who can’t help themselves date assholes, eat too many twinkies, and engage in many self-destructive behaviors. Wait until the girls have a chance to clean up before you try to date them, ok? Who needs to join someone else’s dysfunction? And who needs to base a Life Theory of Dating Relations on the crazies (of both sexes)?
5) God I hate you all. But sometimes I do like stopping by to be appalled. That is all.
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2) Anyone who claims that he, as an abused “Nice Guy” is being “stuck with the leftovers barreling down the other side of the hill,” is just an asshole.
It wasn’t the Nice Guy who claimed he was getting stuck with the Leftovers, it was a conclusion that one person came to after reading the postings of of the girls.
It was an Alpha or Asshole that came to that conclusion, and I, the Nice Guy, agreed with him. What makes it interesting is that it seemed to coincide with much advice that is given to Shy and Awkward Guys who have anxiety approaching girls.
3) This board seems to be full of assholes who aren’t getting laid. In fact, they have to spend all their time trying to fake being something that is socially acceptable enough that they won’t be immediately screened from the dating pool. That would directly disprove the, “Assholes get laid by women who can’t help themselves” theory a bit, no?
Well, if you are willing to, at least, partially believe the things that most men on this board say, then, Yes, the Assholes are getting laid. Quite a bit.
And, if you were to believe the girls who post here, then, again, they have slept with Assholes at one point in their young lives. Not all, but, seemingly, most.
But, it is possible that they are all liars.
4) Women who can’t help themselves date assholes, eat too many twinkies, and engage in many self-destructive behaviors.
Well, one, I get the idea that the Assholes tend to avoid the girls who eat too many Twinkies.
Wait until the girls have a chance to clean up before you try to date them, ok? Who needs to join someone else’s dysfunction?
Again, I think that the Assholes go for the girls who present themselves the best and in places (Bars, Night Clubs, etc.) where young people usually go to flirt and mingle with people of the opposite sex.
5) God I hate you all. But sometimes I do like stopping by to be appalled. That is all.
Well, it was nice hearing from you.
As a Nice Guy, I can say that I appreciate the insights that you have provided here. I will likely use these tidbits to help improve Loneliness and Anxiety.
Thank You.
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Yes, the Assholes are getting laid. Quite a bit.
I wonder how many of the asshole men here got laid every night in a row for the past 5 days. Just sayin’. Being a gentleman does not mean you don’t get laid!
where young people usually go to flirt and mingle with people of the opposite sex.
Young, vapid people you mean. Young, smart people hang out in way different places than bars and clubs. I know because I know a lot of single smart men and women who do house / restaurant gatherings.
I’ve known people who had great success online meeting other “nice” and “awkward” people — by getting to know people as individuals first before knowing them as a set of legs or ass or walking money tree.
What makes it interesting is that it seemed to coincide with much advice that is given to Shy and Awkward Guys who have anxiety approaching girls.
It’s advice that makes them get laid by girls who don’t know any better, sure. My husband got laid in bars by acting like a drunken jerk, sure. But that’s not how he got me (tooting my own horn a little here).
You won’t get anything but a Roissy lifestyle (TM) by following that kind of advice. So before you follow that advice, make sure that’s actually what you want. Half of the advice is not bad — confidence, inner game and self-esteem can be great, for both sexes.
The other half — how to pick up the bar sluts (pardon my expression) — is just shooting dead fish in a barrel. My husband could do it even though he was (and still is) an overweight, glasses-wearing IT nerd. He just got drunk, talked a lot of shit and got banged.
Was he acting like an asshole? Yeah. Did he get bitches? Yeah. He had a lot of “hot” but mentally blank chicks in Florida who would have banged him (and often did). But he wanted more than that out of his mate. I made him stop drinking because his asshole-ish behavior while drunk made me miserable.
Being an asshole is great for getting laid. Not for love.
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Being a gentleman does not mean you don’t get laid!
You are absolutely right. But being Shy and Awkward can really hurt you when you are looking to meet an attractive girl.
Young, vapid people you mean. Young, smart people hang out in way different places than bars and clubs.
You are talking to a guy who NEVER goes to Bars or Clubs. But I do know guys, non-assholes, who do. Not every night, but they go. For them, it is a place where you can meet new people, get some drinks, tell bad jokes and be in a place that has “energy”.
For me, however, these places are an assault on my senses.
I know because I know a lot of single smart men and women who do house / restaurant gatherings.
I think that you are refering to small parties and gathering of friends? If so, great. That is a nice atmosphere to meet people, but it is not available to everyone.
A while back I was at a Dinner Party hosted by my best friend who commented on my Single-ness (he is married). I asked him when was the last time he had a party with a Single Girl in attendance (this guy hosts parties all the freakin’ time…and they are always attended by couples). His answer: he could not remember, it had been so long.
Granted, he did know single girls at work, who, apparently, hang out with other single girls. You will never guess where they like to go on a Saturday night: the Bars and Clubs.
I’ve known people who had great success online meeting other “nice” and “awkward” people — by getting to know people as individuals first before knowing them as a set of legs or ass or walking money tree.
Great. But I am not sure that that gets to the heart of the matter here.
Also, my online hunting grounds tend to be Sausage Parties: Computer Science, Economics, Nutritional Anthropology.
Also, researching these things doesn’t offer much interaction. My fault, I understand. But, that is one of the reasons why I am here.
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You are talking to a guy who NEVER goes to Bars or Clubs.
You are talking to a girl who NEVER goes to bars or clubs. They assault my senses, too. All the girls I talk to online never go to bars or clubs either. They go to gaming conventions or tech gatherings.
my online hunting grounds tend to be Sausage Parties: Computer Science, Economics, Nutritional Anthropology.
There are so many single shy (and pretty!) girls online… they’re all going to online equivalent of girl hangouts though. I meet them, but you don’t because you don’t go where they go (you’d probably gag if you did).
The reason why I’m here is to dispel the notion that all girls like assholes. 😉
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87 U.L. I’ve taken a name to expose the innocent.
“You mention books, which books? You seem to go for the New Age type stuff. That is not my scene, but I am curious.”
Hmmmmmmmmm….O.K. So, you’re not into “New Age type stuff”. What if I told you that the so-called “New Age type stuff” I’m into is actually leading edge type stuff? Would you be more interested in it then? Or would your mind be closed? What if I could tell you much about yourself from the comments you’ve made here? Would you think I was clairvoyant, wise, creepy, a stalker, or arrogant for thinking I could know so much about you? I know MUCH about you…I believe. But why share the resources if you’re just “wool gathering”?
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2004/06/26.html
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They go to gaming conventions or tech gatherings.
Which is great. But what is the ratio of Guys to Girls? For instance, I was at the largest Tech convention in America this year: CES (Consumer Electronics) in Vegas.
My friend who was working there got me a free pass one day. That place had a ratio of about 95-5. Granted, the girls there were very pretty. But, you could tell, almost none of them did the actual “work” for their respective companies. They were presenters, spokes-persons, or models.
Also, on the idea of Gaming conventions: I am not much of a gamer. I actually, I have not played a game in about 8 years.
I have come to terms with the fact that my varied do not provide a great avenue for meeting people. Now that I recognize that, I need to make adjustments.
There are so many single shy (and pretty!) girls online… they’re all going to online equivalent of girl hangouts though. I meet them, but you don’t because you don’t go where they go (you’d probably gag if you did).
That’s funny. A while when I started to realize that most people do not watch as much BookTV on C-Span as I do, I made a conscious effort to watch a reality show just so I could some-what relate to some people at parties.
So, I decided on the original Beauty and the Geek. It actually seemed like an interesting subject and somewhat apros po.
Well, the shows and came and went and I was at a party. Some nice girl starting talking to me near the end of the party and she started talking about some reality show. Well, I dropped the fact that I had seen Beauty and the Geek and that “I though it was fascinating”. Well, she thought that was hilarious. That some guy would refer to a Reality show as “fascinating”.
The reason why I’m here is to dispel the notion that all girls like assholes.
I can’t speak for others here, but I certainly don’t believe that all girls are attracted to Alphas. But, we are talking about Averages, Medians and Bell Curves. And understanding modern mating behavior is important, I think, for anyone interested in re-entering the social scene and not feeling used or frustrated.
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Hmmmmmmmmm….O.K. So, you’re not into “New Age type stuff”. What if I told you that the so-called “New Age type stuff” I’m into is actually leading edge type stuff? Would you be more interested in it then? Or would your mind be closed? What if I could tell you much about yourself from the comments you’ve made here?
Hey blueberry,
I wasn’t disrespectin’ ya. I was just saying that the New Age stuff tends to go over my head. I don’t connect with it.
But I would hope that you don’t think people like me are Closed Minded. Just because someone does not appreciate something, say, like Shakespeare, doesn’t mean that they are Closed Minded.
They may not have an appreciation of Literature, or difficulty with language, or maybe they are just Stupid. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are Closed Minded.
You are talking to a Computer Programmer here. When I read that New Age stuff, I just get lost.
But I was honestly curious about the books you had read.
I can tell you one “New Age” book that I thought was fantastic: Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine.
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^ U.L. I’ve dealt with a lot of disrespect (on this site) from those who want to judge without putting in the time to understand. We’re a sound bite society and even though I couldn’t care less what anyone thinks of my particular and highly valued resources, it does get old being the “fool”. As Mark Twain says, “A man with a new idea is a fool, until the new idea succeeds.” So what is leading edge looks quite idiotic to many, many people. There is no crowd on the leading edge, so to speak. If I might brag just a little (hahaha) I have been on the leading edge in many areas and been laughed at, only to be quite vindicated (which is important to my particular personality type) years later when other people are just “getting it”.
Thanks for the book link. I bookmarked it for future reference. It looks great and I use Amazon.com a lot.
O.K. So here’s a tidbit.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
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I’ve dealt with a lot of disrespect (on this site) from those who want to judge without putting in the time to understand. We’re a sound bite society and even though I couldn’t care less what anyone thinks of my particular and highly valued resources, it does get old being the “fool”.
Well this is a Blunt Blog dealing with Primal Stuff. So, yeah, you should definitely be weary of that.
O.K. So here’s a tidbit.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com
OK, I remember you. I went to this site after the first time you posted it. Although, I have not really read to much of it.
Well, I will throw one more in that I thought was great:
Coping With Trauma: Hope Through Understanding
by Jon G. Allen
This is not a self-help book. It simply provides a detailed and specific understanding of how Trauma manifests itself.
It was one of those books that I had to go back to so that I could highlight all of the great parts.
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hope shit out a steaming turd of wishful platitudes:
I wonder how many of the asshole men here got laid every night in a row for the past 5 days. Just sayin’.
i’m reminded of the coolidge effect:
During a tour of a poultry farm, Mrs. Coolidge inquired of the farmer how his farm managed to produce so many fertile eggs with such a small number of roosters. The farmer proudly explained that his roosters performed their duty dozens of times each day.
“Perhaps you could point that out to Mr. Coolidge,” replied the First Lady in a pointedly loud voice.
The President, overhearing the remark, asked the farmer, “Does each rooster service the same hen each time?”
“No,” replied the farmer, “there are many hens for each rooster.”
“Perhaps you could point that out to Mrs. Coolidge,” replied the President.
Young, smart people hang out in way different places than bars and clubs.
you misspelled “unattractive people”.
by getting to know people as individuals first before knowing them as a set of legs or ass or walking money tree.
there is nothing about a bar that precludes me from getting to know girls as individuals. these are your sour grapes talking. in fact, i can get to know someone a lot better with face to face communication than i can over the internet where people are free to spend hours crafting the perfect email response.
It’s advice that makes them get laid by girls who don’t know any better, sure.
bitter sneering doesn’t become you, hope. unless you want to argue that the majority of well-educated, fashionably dressed, high earning women in DC “don’t know any better.”
My husband got laid in bars by acting like a drunken jerk, sure.
we’ll just have to take your/his word for that.
btw, getting piss drunk and acting like a lout is a terrrible way to get laid with quality girls. this is a known fact.
You won’t get anything but a Roissy lifestyle (TM) by following that kind of advice.
define my lifestyle.
So before you follow that advice, make sure that’s actually what you want.
the advice i give works as well for building loving longterm relationships with girls as it does for picking them up in any context. where you seem to have a blindspot is in believing against all the available evidence that picking up a girl using early game designed for that purpose somehow prohibits her from ever falling in love with the guy.
The other half — how to pick up the bar sluts (pardon my expression) — is just shooting dead fish in a barrel.
more proof of my claim that it is women, not men, who insult other women with the slut label.
anyhow, you’re wrong, as per usual. if picking up bar “sluts” was so easy, why do so many men struggle with it?
here’s something for you to chew on — in my experience it is a lot easier to pick up nerd girls at a techie convention than it is to pick up babes in a bar.
and nerd girls fall for game harder than their more socialized sisters.
He just got drunk, talked a lot of shit and got banged.
proof?
oh, and let’s see some in flagrante delicto pics of your husband with these supposedly hot bar chicks. for quality assurance purposes, of course.
Was he acting like an asshole? Yeah. Did he get bitches? Yeah.
acting like an asshole is the kind of game novices run. while being a jerk will get a guy more pussy than being nice, it is inferior to being a strong, dominant secure alpha.
however, if a guy can’t be anything else but nice or an asshole, i’ll advise him to stick with being the asshole. that way at least he won’t suffer interminable periods of involuntary celibacy.
He had a lot of “hot” but mentally blank chicks in Florida who would have banged him (and often did). But he wanted more than that out of his mate.
riiiiight.
sounds a lot like the typical bitter rationalizations of nerdboys who don’t have a chance with the girls they really want.
“all those big-breasted babes are dumb and disloyal for ignoring me. only the smart nerdy chicks appreciate my greatness!”
Being an asshole is great for getting laid. Not for love.
wrong again.
if you’d spent a day in your life logging off the internet virtual world you find solace in you’d know that girls fall in love with assholes ALL THE TIME. good girls, smart girls, and yes nerdy girls. it is the RULE, not the exception.
what assholes have that girls love is dominance. assholery isn’t necessary to be kind the of guy girls love, but it is highly correlated with it.
best,
the doctor of love.
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oh, and let’s see some in flagrante delicto pics of your husband with these supposedly hot bar chicks. for quality assurance purposes, of course.
You have said that men do not need perfect looks to get hot girls. Personality, wit, intelligence, humor, game, confidence. You might just undermine your own position if you call this into question too much.
unless you want to argue that the majority of well-educated, fashionably dressed, high earning women in DC “don’t know any better.”
My knowledge is limited, admittedly. I hold zero stakes in the game. For me, it’s a spectacle, and I don’t try to define all men and women, only myself and those I know. I am merely showcasing my version of reality, as limited as it is.
it is the RULE, not the exception.
I like exceptions and breaking rules. Even if it’s monkey-style cognitive dissonance, I’m happy. Not everyone is content to be in the peak of the bell curve. There are many versions of happiness, and mine is good, as I’m sure yours is as well.
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You have said that men do not need perfect looks to get hot girls.
true. they don’t. but you have claimed that your husband, an avowed nerd, picked up hot bar babes by being a drunken asshole. as evidence of his success with the ladies these two characteristics — nerdiness and drunken loutish behavior — couldn’t be more counterproductive to attracting QUALITY women, and in fact are utterly at odds with the field-tested experience of the vast majority of men who know a thing or two about the art of seduction. thus, my very justified doubt concerning your claim.
to put it succinctly: cool assholes get hot girls. drunk nerdy assholes get drinks thrown in their faces when they aren’t slobbering over the ugly fat chicks at last call.
You might just undermine your own position if you call this into question too much.
let’s just say i have my doubts about your husband’s past life pickup prowess as anything other than an unfalsifiable assertion by you to score blog debate points.
My knowledge is limited, admittedly.
spanked!
I hold zero stakes in the game.
the frontline is everywhere…
For me, it’s a spectacle,
that’s what socrates said.
I don’t try to define all men and women, only myself and those I know.
so you concede that your opinion in the matter of discussing useful generalizations about men and women is nothing but argument by anecdote. duly noted.
I am merely showcasing my version of reality, as limited as it is.
there is only one reality, and you are not exempt from it.
I like exceptions and breaking rules.
do you like it
or do you settle for it?
Not everyone is content to be in the peak of the bell curve.
moving to the left of the bell curve peak is not victory.
There are many versions of happiness, and mine is good, as I’m sure yours is as well.
i’m sure there are some street bums who are happy but i wouldn’t want to be them.
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“what assholes have that girls LOVE is dominance. assholery isn’t necessary to be kind the of guy girls LOVE, but it is highly correlated with it.”
Think hard, roissy. You can do it!! The word LOVE is highly misused here. Ya think? ATTRACTED TO might be a better way to put it. Wake up, roissy. You’ve fallen asleep again. Love and instinct are often mutually exclusive. Is this the “LOVE” you want?
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ROISSY: You make some amazing statements!
“there is only one reality, and you are not exempt from it.”
Oh c’mon. That’s hardly worth responding to.
“you seem to have a blindspot is in believing against all the available evidence that picking up a girl using early game designed for that purpose somehow prohibits HER from ever falling in love with THE GUY.”
Once again, you talk endlessly about girls (not women, I’ve noticed) falling in LOVE with guys. We don’t often hear of you or the “guys” falling in love with girls (not women, I’ve noticed). What are the odds of your falling in love with a girl whom you used game to bed? 30%?
As a woman, if I used some strategy to bed a man, negging and posturing to present myself in the most unrealistically desirable light, and succeeded in bedding him; I would simply not respect him. If I was after his wallet, or simply wanted to make my ex-boyfriend jealous, or put a notch on my lipstick case, or any number of lame reasons for wanting to have sex…
In my humble world view, having a focused well defined goal of being in love with a real man and presenting myself as a real woman, will make the odds of real love much greater. Not some attempt to manipulate a man to “fall” against his better judgement and sense. It seems attraction, instinct, and infatuation are used synonymously with love.
I’m with Hope if she has grave doubts about your knowledge of real love or how to guide the misguided towards it….and not AWAY from it–all good intentions aside.
Jus’ sayin’!!
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And furthermore!! In response to Hope:
“I hold zero stakes in the game.”
You said:
“the FRONTLINE is everywhere…”
More war-like lingo, roissy? Not helpful, roissy. NOT helpful.
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ROISSY!!!
“if you’d spent a day in your life logging off the internet virtual world you find solace in..”
Ahem. You’re the one who owns this site, hypocrite.
“… you’d know that girls fall in love with assholes ALL THE TIME. good girls, smart girls, and yes nerdy girls. it is the RULE, not the exception.”
It’s not LOVE, dummy!! It’s chemical adherence/addiction, as in “sticking fast to an object or surface : “The eggs have thick sticky shells to which debris is often adherent.”
How do you think the species has survived all these years? It’s not because all these fuckers are in real love. If that were the case we would have heaven on earth. Have you looked outside lately? 😀
Bottom line; you need to stop fooling yourself that you can effectively give anyone advice on find actual love. Game, yes. You’re a technician, not a life coach.
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Roissy, I don’t try to change people’s minds if their minds are already made up. That’s not my way. I was speaking mainly to someone I recognize as a kindred nerd.
define my lifestyle.
George Clooney-esque perpetual bachelorhood. It works for some men, but not for others.
In some ways I envy you the way I envy the Hollywood types. You have the kind of dramatic lives I don’t live, don’t want to live, but like to watch.
Also, I don’t judge other people. My use of the word “slut,” I’ve used the term to apply to myself. I don’t have a static moral code though. I think humans are just another animal.
Animals that are as fascinating to observe as any other.
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I WILL UNLEASH HELL ALL OVER YOUR FACE!
Demon seed… very nice.
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””””””’Speaking of getting a woman addicted to you, the Big Three things you can do in the bedroom, in order of effectiveness, that will have her thinking of you while stroking the zucchini in the supermarket are:
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Laughed my ass off.
”””””Nikita
the biological -point- of the female orgasm, students, is that the woman instinctively pulls the man deeper inside her and then repeatedly contracts her vaginal muscles around his “seminal delivery mechanism,” thus ensuring a more efficient delivery of semen in closer vicinity to her eggs. an orgasming body doesn’t notice if a condom is in the way; sexual climax (if it can be achieved) is the same regardless. orgasms are nature’s way of setting humans up for optimal BABYMAKING!
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And apparently it works.
”””””””agnostic
Women rarely have orgasms with their guy, and one strong predictor of having one is the guy’s facial symmetry — so, more likely with a guy who has a good-looking face. That’s not something that can be taught or practiced, though!
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Bullshit alert. You can make a woman have an orgasm any time you want by playing with the clit. But yea they all seem to cum from regualr sex as well.
Also being able to strike the orgasmic reflex from afar by phone is extremely important to a long distance relationship.
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Yea that is right you can get the assist on an orgasm for a chick by phone it is that easy.
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”””””’ He absolutely could not deal with anger directly You know, like the silent treatment and nasty mind fucking cruelties of that nature.”””””’
So you wanted him to beat you and he wouldn’t so he was evil eh
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”””Usually Lurking,
I understand that you were on the receiving end of his garbage, but he was simply reacting to a difficult and confusing childhood.”””””
Your not reading her posts for comprehension.
She said he was angry. Well she had a part in that. This ain’t the innocent olympics. This is woman who demonize the man upon breakup. Their ex is always a demon especially if they loved him he he he
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”””””It was an Alpha or Asshole that came to that conclusion, and I, the Nice Guy, agreed with him. What makes it interesting is that it seemed to coincide with much advice that is given to Shy and Awkward Guys who have anxiety approaching girls.””””’
The nice guy is nice because he is a bitch.
The man is kind because he could be bad.
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””””Once again, you talk endlessly about girls (not women, I’ve noticed) falling in LOVE with guys. We don’t often hear of you or the “guys” falling in love with girls (not women, I’ve noticed). What are the odds of your falling in love with a girl whom you used game to bed? 30%? ”””””
Thinking you are in love with every girl you have been with is for suckers. The amount of girls you actually fall in love with around 1 percent.
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Girls falling in love with guys or say they do 99 percent.
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I may or may not have been going through blog withdrawels and curling up in a ball late at night with the shakes.
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Going away party for me tonight though and 5 woman have been cooking for 2 days he he he
So still alpha I guess.
With all the shit talking I have done the black chicks can cook.
But I lost 22 pounds since coming back from iraq so whats up with that. Theres a new fad diet in there somewhere.
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Gunslingergregi, it still astounds me how you can make 20 posts in a row that make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Your going to need life experience lol
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I’d rather not have that sort of life experience.
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gregi, mandy xd came back just to neg you!
and pump her blog
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hahaha first post i click on, and that faggot (i mean that in the pejorative) willard libby has already pounced. god he is the worst
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Canon’s Canon:
That was a neg?
And I’m too lazy to log out of wordpress.
Is that bad?
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mandy:
i know some bars just off the PATH train that don’t card. we can alleviate your troubled mind with some booze and my magic fingers. not in a sexual way, just an innocent massage.
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Hey, do you like how the comment you tried to post on my blog never appeared?
Take the hint.
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Some women like moaning. Some like flowery comments. Some like silence. I suppose you could try a variety of things and see what works, as long as you pay attention and the woman doesn’t fake anything.
Personally I likes me a feedback loop, where she moans, which turns me on, which results in better performance, so she moans more, loop until…
Now maybe, someday, we could get all crazy and rather than divine the tea leaves of outer blogdom, try actually communicating with each other. It doesn’t even have to be lame, or threatening: “Hey, baby, do you like it rough, or smooth?” with appropriate intonation.
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Oh, also, I’m gonna have to second the “I hate you all” passive-aggressive bitches and bastards.
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I think that ‘squirting’ is actually just urination. There’s no physiological mechanism that could produce or expel female “ejaculate.”
[Editor: It’s not urination. This has been tested already. Female ejaculate is similar to male prostate fluid. Plenty of women can ejaculate if you know how to stimulate them properly.]
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””””’But I lost 22 pounds since coming back from iraq so whats up with that. Theres a new fad diet in there somewhere.””””’
I see I was already loseing weight he he he
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””””Gunslingergregi
Going away party for me tonight though and 5 woman have been cooking for 2 days he he he
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I guess not a dream just another day in the life.
That is hot having a gaggle of chicks cooking for you.
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