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Hovering

February 21, 2008 by CH

One of the most socially inept mistakes I see guys doing is the Rejection Hover. (The Hesitation Hover is almost as bad but at least in that scenario the guy can pretend he’s just waiting around for a friend to arrive.) It usually happens like this: Guy walks up to a girl who is alone or with a group of friends, runs his pitch, fails to capture her interest, gets the cold shoulder… and inexplicably decides to hover — like a hungry but stupid bee trying to find the entrance to a complicated flower — in their immediate vicinity even though they have turned their backs to him.

Instead of walking away with his pride intact he opts to loiter along the group’s perimeter, losing status points by the second. It is painful to watch. Nothing telegraphs ‘NEEDY LOSER’ faster than standing uncomfortably with a befuddled and forlorn look on your face peering over the shoulders of people who have concluded you suck.

Why do men do this? (And I’ve caught myself hovering a few times from lapses in judgement.) Odds are most men are just too lazy to move the fuck away to another spot in the venue or aren’t aware how badly hovering carries the stink of beta. You can’t fix what you don’t know is wrong. The other reason may be that he really believes the girl will warm up to him if he physically imposes himself in her peripheral vision. Maybe he wishes that she’ll give a second look at his tough grimace, chiseled triceps, or cool hand-in-jeans-pocket stance and reconsider his mate value. This is projection. Because guys are looks-focused, we think girls are equally looks-focused. But that is a failure of imagination. Once a girl has decided she doesn’t like your personality she loses all interest in your looks or how suavely you can hook your thumb through your belt loop.

This is why it is critically important to refrain from orbiting a set that has snubbed your efforts to engage them, if for no other reason than to avoid looking like a feeble choad.

There are alternatives to hovering that will have you come out looking less beta. You could re-enter the set one more time, gums blazing, and try to sell yourself with a new pitch. You could eject confidently and find another target, preferably one that hasn’t seen you just get blown out. You could casually turn and chat with an adjacent group of people as if your target’s rejection was completely inconsequential to your state of mind. You could call over your wingman to occupy your awkward social isolation. You could walk ten feet away.

Exception: If a girl or group of girls approaches you, it’s acceptable to stay put if your opener receives a chilly reception. In this instance, it would be the group that is hovering, not you.

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  1. on February 21, 2008 at 2:31 pm Anonymous

    “Odds are most men are just too lazy to move the fuck away to another spot in the venue”

    yep yep, laziness is probably the number one reason

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  2. on February 21, 2008 at 2:32 pm SBAP

    sheeeiiittt, forgot to put my name down in the comment before I posted, oops, too damn early in the mornin’, and I’m too lazy probably as well

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  3. on February 21, 2008 at 2:39 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    I think your advice a few months ago regarding the opposite of this was some of the best I read. I can’t find the exact post (maybe you can get me a link) but it had something to do with when you make an impression on a woman, leave immediately and leave them wanting more.

    I used to do this — not because of game, but because of shyness — and it did work, although I didn’t realize it at the time.

    Works a hell of a lot better than hovering.

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  4. on February 21, 2008 at 3:32 pm godparticles

    how about purposely ‘bombing’ an individual female or set, and then proceeding to a nearby individual or set and ‘killing’?

    assuming you have in mind the former target, you have probably confused the hell out of the girl. she’s thinking, “what is wrong with me that this hot guy is making such waves with that other crew (or chick) and not me?”

    I’ve tried this only a few times, and without fail, the original target has sought me out, seeking approval.

    But more on topic, the only guys I’ve seen doing any obvious hovering were asian of some sort or nerdy whites, who would never be mistaken for alpha in the first place.

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  5. on February 21, 2008 at 4:01 pm spaceman

    godparticles: thats pointless. why not just try to game her properly and if that goes badly, then go to the next set and try again. then maybe she will come back and open you again. at least that gives you two chances.

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  6. on February 21, 2008 at 4:32 pm cuchulainn

    I actually did this like half an hour ago. On a train, I used a dumb opener that came off as creepy: ‘I’m bored. Will you be my friend.’ I futiley attempted a half memorized and badly performed routine afterwards, then just stared off into oblivion without moving for about five minutes. I came home feeling like shit, turned on the computer, and this post came up. Weird.

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  7. on February 21, 2008 at 4:46 pm Jeremiah

    So, let’s say that you’ve identified a target, but there is a hoverer lurking in the vicinity. Do you wait until he eventually leaves, because he is poisoning the whole atmosphere? Or do you take advantage of his presence by appearing more alpha (almost by default, really), and by being a potential life-line away from a perceived stalker? (I admit that would be cruel, like kicking sand in his face, but it’s a dog-eat-dog world…)

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  8. on February 21, 2008 at 5:13 pm blueberry

    I’ve been observing the hovering habits of my ex’s girlfriend. It’s quite delightful to watch! Women who hover are quite as irritating to men, I imagine. Like you said, it literally screams insecurity and neediness. So guys, just remember what it feels like when a woman hovers and you will never do it again.

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  9. on February 21, 2008 at 5:19 pm Hope

    The Greeks knew about the golden mean. Things in moderation. You shouldn’t be too needy, but you shouldn’t be too aloof either. It’s a balancing act, not all or nothing.

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  10. on February 21, 2008 at 5:45 pm cuchulainn

    speak of the devil, segregated trains to combat sexual harassment

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  11. on February 21, 2008 at 6:45 pm instantExcitement

    Jeremiah – The other guy who’s hovering isn’t of consequence, in fact any guy in a set or near one isn’t of any consequence to you. You don’t want to make fun of the hovering guy because it makes you seem like the type of person who degrades others so basically just ignore them. If the guy is kinda in the set, then still approach, run your routine/make your vibe felt/etc and then ask how everyone knows each other. They’ll say they just met the random guy, and will either blow him out, he’ll eject or he’ll become a useful wing.

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  12. on February 21, 2008 at 7:44 pm Virgle Kent

    If you ever catch me hovering around a group of women after being rejected, it’s because I just farted and I’m giving them a little payback, the look on their faces when the smell hits em is money….. wait what

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  13. on February 21, 2008 at 11:27 pm Joe T.

    Never been guilty of the Rejection Hover, but admit to the Hesitation Hover on numerous occasions.

    Thinking back. I once pulled a HH of about 4 hours, while a girl was shooting pool.

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  14. on February 21, 2008 at 11:48 pm blueberry

    Hovering; not to be confused with “Hoovering”.

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  15. on February 21, 2008 at 11:49 pm blueberry

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoovering

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  16. on February 21, 2008 at 7:49 pm editor

    vk – best thing to do is not say anything then walk away and have your wing who’s still standing there take the blame. priceless!

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  17. on February 22, 2008 at 12:54 am anon

    I think you mean guns blazing. Not gums.

    Blazing gums–as bad as or worse than hovering.

    I’m surprise that you hover. That’s a young man thing to do.

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  18. on February 22, 2008 at 8:32 am johnny five

    joe t.
    4 hours, while a girl was shooting pool

    a girl was shooting pool for 4 hours?

    did she have the cigarettes, motorcycle jacket, and faded 70’s rock t-shirts to complete the sweep?

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  19. on February 22, 2008 at 7:27 pm agnostic

    Maybe the guy thinks that the group who dissed him was average or representative — so that approaching another group won’t be terribly different. Then hovering keeps him from wasting time and effort trying to approach another group, and saves some face since he doesn’t have to be seen wandering from one uninterested group to another.

    These guys are going to be the less adventurous ones — the more excitement-seeking ones will assume that there’s a lot of different experiences to be had, and want to sample the full spectrum of them. So, if one group dissed him, it doesn’t tell him anything about how the next group will treat him.

    There’s some basic difference there in how homogeneous vs. heterogeneous the world appears to the guy.

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  20. on February 22, 2008 at 7:31 pm agnostic

    Actually it wouldn’t be hard to build a cartoonish mathematical model of this thing. It’s like why some members of a species would hang around a dry watering hole, while others would migrate elsewhere.

    Migration is most likely when the environment is heterogeneous in quality from one place to another, forcing members to sample pretty widely from their environment.

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  21. on August 30, 2009 at 11:38 pm jh

    I don’t think any of those are usual reasons….

    It can be often be a combination of two factors that immediately hit the guy right after the blowoff is obvious: first, it can stun some people at first (and you just kind of freeze for a short while.) Then you’ve gotta remember that walking away is the finality of your admission of defeat/being wrong about the possibility of opening that set positively (and good luck getting insecure people to accept being very wrong about anything.)

    So between those two things, the hover can (unfortunately) be the natural response.

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