From famed commenter Gannon, on my post Seven New Deadly Sins Quiz:
…my interest in prepubescent girls (and boys) is zero. Just like me, I prefer them with apple sized breasts, round asses, a nice bush of pubic hair and bleeding. Problem for you my friend is that girls 14 and above all have these features.
I agree with this comment. It is a fact of life that young teenage girls who have developed secondary sexual characteristics are desired by men of all ages, even 90 year olds. And these exquisite nymphets, in turn, desire older men for their power. These desires are natural, and frightening to the keepers of the order. They provoke the envy of the left behind, and so are condemned.
Would it shock to know that real love, genuine and sincere love, can spring forth from a relationship where lust is the motivator? To wit: Monica Lewinsky loved Bill Clinton, that is true. Look at the way she gazed at him with adoring eyes. But do you want to know something? I think it is likely he loved her in return. Moreso than he loved Hillary at any rate. It went beyond a one night fling. Theirs was a romance.
A man would throw everything away for two minutes with that ass wobble.
Hmm. Regarding Monica and Bill Clinton, I agree with you. I always thought those two were in love, in their strange way. Of course, that didn’t stop him from throwing her to the wolves, in the end, though I suppose you could say that she drove him to it, with her incessant calls and demands for a job.
But really, it isn’t true that teenage girls in general find older men desirable, especially not girls as young as 14. For most of them, “older” means from 2 to 5 years older, and no more. More than that isn’t “older”, it’s just “old”. A few of the more precocious girls of that age might be interested in a teacher, say, up to 10 years older, but that’s usually it. Famous older men (esp. rock stars who always seem younger than their age) are another matter; they work under a different set of rules of attraction.
When older men made advances to me, even when I was in my early 20s, I was more alarmed than flattered.
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Nothing wrong with this, but you have to simultaneously acknowledge that young women prefer young men. It’s not socialization that made me at 14 really love an 18 year old, and never even gaze at a 60 year old. It’s possible, and common, but not the norm. Most women prefer and love men just a few years older than them.
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It only makes sense to think of “love” between a mature adult and a barely-pubescent girl if you think all the girl brings to the relationship is her looks. Can she have babies and agree with you a lot? Yes. Is she capable of keeping a balanced checkbook, tracking the bills, or otherwise managing a life together? Reading something more nuanced than “Star” Magazine? Raising children without resorting to doping them with Robitusson?
Lord. No.
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@Rina and Alias: I agree with you that most girls aren’t attracted to older, middleaged man. But a lot of teen girls like men in their twenties and even thirties.
@Dizzy: girls at around 14-15 have solid and adult personalities, men a little bit later at around 17. In fact, my gf was at 16 a much more mature, loving and stable person than you.
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Dizzy8,
I think love is a broad definition. Most love affairs begin the same way- passion, lust, looks, power, orgasms. I’m sure that’s how Bill and Hill started. Some evolve into balancing checkbooks and joint checking accounts. Sometimes you can still have the joint checking account and the lust. Sometimes you lose the lust, but the respect and friendship remains- like Bill and Hill.
You cannot have love without lust and desire.
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I have a hard time imagining that Bill Clinton loved Monica Lewinsky. Blow jobs–no matter how well executed or frequent–do not make men fall in love. Sex does not make men fall in love–sexually addicted maybe-but not in love. I don’t think he fell in love with her VIRTUE. He may have ‘loved’ the blow jobs, though. There’s nothing like getting a woman to fall in love with YOU, to insure a steady supply of blow jobs or any other type of sex a man wants. And in this case it had more to do with his power than age, not to say she didn’t probably have more than a few father issues.
Here’s another Lolita movie you might like: Very good. French of course.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082054/
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Teenage girls are definitely interested in guys up to about 30. After that, only the elite get noticed by teenagers. But even during the teenage years, the average same-age boy is repulsive to the average girl — they prefer a boy about 5 years older.
Getting concrete, let’s say the girl is 16. She would tend towrad a guy who’s 21. However, take this 21 y.o. guy’s counterpart who’s 26 — he’s much more hypnotizing to the 16 y.o. girl. He has higher status, and his hormones have settled down enough that he doesn’t reek of desperation anymore. He’s had five more years of experience interacting with girls, so that he knows better how to treat them, and he’s matured past the point of expecting girls to be like boys and has begun to love girls for their girly nature.
I still remember girls in 8th grade going ga-ga over Harrison Ford — who was 53 at the time!
For the record, ideal age range for a girlfriend is 16 – 19. Not someone who’s at their peak for physical attractiveness, not someone who’s going to be the best sex you’ll ever have, not someone to raise your children, or anything else. You know, the person you do girlfriend stuff with.
Someone who gets butterflies in the stomach when they see you. Someone who, like the girl in that clip, gets a running start and leaps into you when you haven’t seen each other for awhile (try to remember to spin them around a little). Someone who just feels utterly helpless around you — that’s their natural defense. Guys have a tendency to want to dump a move on, but that demeanor of a lost puppy that’s taken a shine to you — it forces us to protect and take care of them.
By the time girls are in their late 20s, most guys don’t feel a twinge of guilt about “pumping and dumping” them.
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David A., the story of Lolita is rather gay – the book is perhaps gayer than any of the films made of it, because Humbert Humbert (the hero’s) main interest is in “nymphets”, whom he defines as decidedly tomboyish, rather than youthful or baby-faced. He describes the true nymphet as a girl with long tanned legs, no breast buds, no hips, could eat ice-cream every day without getting fat, play tennis for hours, etc.
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I still remember girls in 8th grade going ga-ga over Harrison Ford — who was 53 at the time!
For sampling purposes, do you remember if those same 8th grade girls were going crazy over dads that they knew in the community? Harrison Ford is a celebrity and thus has fame, some degree of power, and money which casts him in a different league than a local middle class male of the same age.
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For a group of men obsessed with data and averages, you sure like to pull out exceptions when necessary.
In a group of teenage girls, 95% will find the cute boy 0-5 years older than them hot. Not just hot, but they will try to get his attention, flirt mercilessly, and not think twice to make out with him. Most young girls fall IN LOVE with guys about their own age. Maybe 33% will have the hots for the neighbor’s hot dad, but feel awkward when he slightly flirts with them.
Just because many teenage girls will sometimes like a much older man, this does not by any stretch of the imagination make it the norm!!!
candy cane- bill and monica were in love
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David Alexander:
“Harrison Ford is a celebrity and thus has fame, some degree of power, and money which casts him in a different league than a local middle class male of the same age.”
And this is why younger women tend to be attracted to (somewhat) older men. Older men are far more likely to posses these qualities.
Speaking of May/December romances, Jim Clark, billionaire founder of Netscape is dating Australian model Kristy_Hinze.
He’s 63.
She’s 27.
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right and jim clark is also a maniac. maniacs tend to be attractive, even if they don’t have money, looks or age. they’re just really interesting people. but good for him, she looks hot.
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girls are attracted to boys near their age because that’s who they associate with. if they hung around with older guys that’s what they’d be into. of course they will like the things that younger men can offer them, but if they associate with enough older guys they’ll end up liking some of them.
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rina:
jim clark is also a maniac
Any support for that?
maniacs tend to be attractive, even if they don’t have money, looks or age
But they don’t have sex with Victoria’s Secret models at the age of 63 unless they have money.
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11 rina
“candy cane- bill and monica were in love”
I beg to differ. Bill is a good–no great–actor. His image depended on it appearing he CARED for her, else his popularity (the God he worships) would have diminished. He exploited her, pure and simple…in my humble opinion of course!
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So Gannon, you’re not in prison yet? I’m surprised.
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Candy says: “Bill is a good–no great–actor. His image depended on it appearing he CARED for her, else his popularity (the God he worships) would have diminished. He exploited her, pure and simple…in my humble opinion of course!”
WHAT THE F***?? Bill exploited Monica??? Are you insane? She was the one who flashed her thong initially. She started the dailliance by flashing the friggin president and pursued the relationship.
Only in feminist-diseased American would anyone claim a woman was “exploited” when it was she who started the encounter by FLASHING!!
I hate this fucking country. I seriously do. I hope we’re under Sharia law soon.
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I’m surprised no one so far has weighed in on the obscenity of teenage boys being prosecuted and having to register as sex offenders for fucking/getting sucked off by girls approximately the same age or slightly younger.
I agree with Gannon insofar as a girl is “old enough to bleed, old enough to breed”, but I think what matters is not the age at which she does so, but rather the age difference between her and her partner. Anything greater than 2-4 years for a girl 14-18 should be prima facie evidence of sexual exploitation. Anything less is no one else’s business.
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Speaking of alpha men and younger women, I just stumbled on the fact that as Charlie Chaplin got older his wives stayed the same age.
His first wife was 16 when he was 29. His second wife was 16 when he was 35. His third wife was 17 when he was 54 (40 year difference).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chaplin
His friend Cary Grant’s wives also stayed the same age as he got older. His last wife was 50 years younger.
http://www.carygrant.net/trivia/wives.html
This is the same age difference between Tony Randall and his last wife (75 vs 25); a marriage that resulted in two children before he croaked at 84.
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I prefer them with apple sized breasts, round asses, a nice bush of pubic hair and bleeding. Problem for you my friend is that girls 14 and above all have these features.
Most early teen girls who have gotten their periods and started boob/ass development still look really too young. The exceptions of girls with ample boobs and ass and who look fully mature at 14-15 don’t prove the rule.
girls at around 14-15 have solid and adult personalities
When I was 14-15 I was far more mature than most other girls my age, and even then I was still incredibly naive, innocent and just plain clueless. I absolutely freaked out my husband, who was 21 then, with how young I looked, how young I sounded on the phone, and how young I was. He was certainly attracted to my intelligence and personality, but it was in no way an adult personality.
He found me more attractive when I got older than when I was an awkward, angsty, drama-filled and pimply-faced 15 year old. He says I’ve changed a lot and grown a lot, but of course so did he, because a 21 year old guy is still a young boy in a lot of ways. If I had stayed my 15 year old personality, however, I doubt we could have lasted this long.
if they hung around with older guys that’s what they’d be into.
I was on IRC when I was 15-18, and a lot of older men hit on me incessantly. My nickname was “jailbait” and “FBI agent.” I was amused by this because very few of the teenage boys my age flattered me in that way. However, the guys I chose to get close and divulge personal information to were far closer to my age, around 16-22. Older than that, and they became very creepy, very fast.
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Why should I be in prison?
First of all, free speech does not constitue crime.
Second, even in the US more and more people are are becoming aware that statutory crime is not a real crime.
And third of all, I’m not a US citizen and anyway age of consent in my country iis not 18 you know. I’m not sure why you can’t understand that, unless you beliebve I’m a US citizen in reality and BS you all.
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Gannon asked: “Why should I be in prison?”
Ganon, in the US, 1 out of 100 adults (mostly men) are in prison, as recently reported by AP and the Wash Post (look it up). The US is the land of the imprisoned, not the land of the free. No society or country anywhere has incarcerated this many people; not Russia not China.
So it makes perfect sense that someone on the board would convict you, comrade, of a “thought crime.” You see, everyone will be in prison soon.
Why is this? Because sometime around 1980, white people stopped innovating and handed that mantle to the Japanese and Indians. White culture became a “crack down” culture, wher all white people know how to do is “crack down” on everything and everyone.
The left wants to ban certain types of meat, incorrect religious thoughts, and any thoughts of sex in the workplace; the right wants no drugs, no alcohol, gay sex abolished and anything other than vanilla sex banned. Feminists have their own agenda, as do school boards, community groups and (worst of all) politicians. While these people are busy being Church Ladies, this country has gone to hell.
And so I say to you, Ganon, that you should not ask why someone in the US would want you in prison. That’s like asking why birds fly or dogs scratch. It’s what they DO.
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First of all, free speech does not constitue crime.
I’m pretty sure that possession of child pornography does constitute a crime in many countries, however.
statutory crime is not a real crime.
I don’t believe statutory rape between consenting teens of 13+ of age is actual rape either, but this is something enforced by lots of older men as well. Fathers sometimes want to protect young daughters — and since outright old vigilante style justice is out, they turn to the law for help. A lot of teens don’t know what’s good for them, and sometimes the law has to step in and tell them (not that it really helps; plenty of teenagers do drugs, drive drunk, etc.).
There was a case some time ago where a father beat up her 15 year old daughter’s boyfriend for having sex with her, and was charged with physical assault. This might explain why girls who don’t have fathers in their household end up having sex earlier. Those girls who do have fathers don’t want to run the risk of having a boyfriend be beaten into a bloody pulp by having sex with him.
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#18 Days of Broken Arrows:
WHAT THE F***?? Bill exploited Monica??? Are you insane? She was the one who flashed her thong initially. She started the dailliance by flashing the friggin president and pursued the relationship.
They’re both at fault. Her for tempting him with the flashing, and him for sullying the office of the President of the United States, the most powerful station in the world, by pursuing such a sub-par piece of ass. I mean, he was the was goddamned President; propriety demands that he only tag eights and above.
#13 Rina:
right and jim clark is also a maniac. maniacs tend to be attractive, even if they don’t have money, looks or age. they’re just really interesting people.
That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Do I take this to mean that you sleep with a lot of crazed homeless guys?
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@Hope
I don’t own porn, and you are right, porn using persons under 18 is a crime in my country too. I’m no idiot you know. In a lot of states in the US it’s the same, you can have sex with 16 to 17 year olds but not take pictures of them. And by the way, I can defend myself, I’m a mountain climber.
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The US is the land of the imprisoned, not the land of the free. No society or country anywhere has incarcerated this many people; not Russia not China.
You have racism to blame for that as well.
“One in 36 Hispanic adults is behind bars, based on Justice Department figures for 2006. One in 15 black adults is, too.”
“Only one in 355 white women between the ages of 35 and 39 are behind bars but one in 100 black women are.”
White culture became a “crack down” culture, wher all white people know how to do is “crack down” on everything and everyone.
By everyone, surely you mean the “brown people.”
Feminism, by the way, does not really extend to black women.
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I don’t own porn
I didn’t say you did. It’s an analogy to “free speech” though, since the owning of such could be construed as the “freedom of expression” part of free speech.
There are numerous restrictions on free speech itself. There is no protection for free speech in the private sector in the U.S. So your employers could fire you for speaking up against statutory rape, for example.
I don’t make the rules. I just try not to let anyone know I break them.
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Hope, I’m surprised to see you too resorting to that idiotic, rotten, hollow, insipid, content-free excuse for an English-language word, “racism.”
I’d rather stay on the topic at hand but I can’t let the insinuation that White Man’s Original Sin is the reason so many blacks or Hispanics are jailed. I guess complaining that not enough whities are behind bars is the thanks a Chinese woman has for the (still mostly white) society that let her family in.
I grew up under Communists. I’m starting to get fucking nostalgic about them.
Whew. I needed that rant.
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Hope:
“You have racism to blame for that as well.
“One in 36 Hispanic adults is behind bars, based on Justice Department figures for 2006. One in 15 black adults is, too.”
“Only one in 355 white women between the ages of 35 and 39 are behind bars but one in 100 black women are.”
Correlation doesn’t prove causation. How the hell can you be so sure some groups don’t just commit more crimes than other groups?
Hope, where do you live? In a nice white (or asian) community or in a predominantly black or hispanic community. Lemme guess, a ‘mixed’ community that includes all of the above. Yeah, right. That is what every liberal says.
My guess is that you’re a limousine liberal or a wannabe limousine liberal.
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@PA: where did you live? East Germany, Cuba, Poland, Check Republic.
@Hope: but I do know that a lot of young honorable and promising men in the US are jailed for follwong their natural urges for having sex with young sexually mature women, because they commited the faux crime of statutory rape. Let’s all send these feminist hate laws to hell and let’s return to natural (divine law).
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Gannon, I grew up in Poland. Regarding incarcerations, I don’t have the numbers, but I imagine that statutory rape convicts are a tiny percentage of convicts in the US, and I especially don’t see some 25 year old serving a long sentence in maximum security prioson with violent criminals. I also think that many states have a four-year rule with regards to an underage girl and a boyfriend.
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You have racism to blame for that as well.
“One in 36 Hispanic adults is behind bars, based on Justice Department figures for 2006. One in 15 black adults is, too.”
“Only one in 355 white women between the ages of 35 and 39 are behind bars but one in 100 black women are.”
If you dig a little deeper still into race & crime statistics, you’ll find that Asian people have the lowest incarceration rate, even lower than that of whites. Obviously this means that America is run by Asian supremacists who oppress whites, Hispanics and blacks alike. I mean, what else could explain these stats? Certainly there cannot be innate racial differences in proclivity for crime…
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He’s 63.
She’s 27.
Even with Viagra, why would she waste her time with guy who’s dick looks like a shriveled up wrinkled piece of shit that needs Viagra to work?
But they don’t have sex with Victoria’s Secret models at the age of 63 unless they have money.
Let’s refrain from using outliers, and see if we can answer this question: Can a 63 year old middle class man attract a relatively decent looking 27 year old female of a similar class.
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Obviously people refuse to realize the danger of living in a country with blacks and Latinos. We need a comprehensive plan to eliminate their numbers from our country, and to prevent their entry into our haven from the rest of the world. I don’t care if we send them back to where they come from or kill them. As long as they’re out of America, we’ll remain safe in our homes, workplaces, and communities.
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@34 David Alexander:
“Even with Viagra, why would she waste her time with guy who’s dick looks like a shriveled up wrinkled piece of shit that needs Viagra to work?”
Because he’s a billionaire. That’s the point you inadvertently made with your previous post about Harrison Ford which I highlighted – men with power, money, and/or fame attract young women at any age.
“Let’s refrain from using outliers, and see if we can answer this question: Can a 63 year old middle class man attract a relatively decent looking 27 year old female of a similar class.”
The answer is “no” of course. Why would an attractive woman attach herself to an average 63 year old, who has nothing to offer over and above guys half his age?
But is this news to anyone? Was someone saying otherwise?
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Can a 63 year old middle class man attract a relatively decent looking 27 year old female of a similar class
Assuming also that the 63-year-old guy is not a celebrity, etc? I’d say yes. My sister’s father-in-law is a 70-something, smooth as anything, badass, charmer. And a geniunely good guy with a hell of a life story.
At a recent party I saw two good looking women in their late 20s hang on to every word of some hysterically funny story he was telling, their eyes sparkling like crazy. I don’t know if either of the girls would have slept with him, but change a few things about the setting and circumstances, and I don’t think it’s out of the question.
His current (second) wife — he’s a widower — is a good-looking 40-something.
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@DA: we are talking about moderate age differences here DA, up to 15 years.
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but I do know that a lot of young honorable and promising men in the US are jailed for follwong their natural urges for having sex with young sexually mature women, because they commited the faux crime of statutory rape. Let’s all send these feminist hate laws to hell and let’s return to natural (divine law).
Feminism is responsible for more than its share of absurdities, but statutory rape laws are not among them. Age of consent laws have been on the books for decades and long pre-date feminism.
As for the “natural urges” bit, it may be true that some adult men are sexually attracted toward girls in the 14 to 16 age range. The thing is, every man with half a brain knows that girls in that range are off-limits, and that the urges cannot be acted upon however natural they may be.
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Allegedly, some have called for a return to prosecuting statutory rape to end the practice of poor ghetto black males in their 20s impregnating teen girls.
I also think that many states have a four-year rule with regards to an underage girl and a boyfriend.
A good number of states have such provisions in the law that either turn the offense into a lower level felony or misdemeanor, or non-issue entirely. Regardless, the main way to get caught with a felony like statutory rape is to do something that either angers the parents of the girl, or the girl herself, and do so in a jurisdiction that will easily prosecute you. In effect, if you’re a black teenage male having sex with an underage white female, regardless of the age difference, I would refrain from doing so, especially if her parents are virulent racists.
Because he’s a billionaire. That’s the point you inadvertently made with your previous post about Harrison Ford which I highlighted – men with power, money, and/or fame attract young women at any age.
Harrison Ford comes across as a strong, masculine, virulent man. In effect, an aged alpha male. Does this billionaire have a similar effect, or his immense wealth covering up a massive beta factor.
I guess it would be prudent to bet $20 on the married wife of such a man cheating on him with a virulent young male.
His current (second) wife — he’s a widower — is a good-looking 40-something.
Minus the widower part and his lack of charm, it sounds similar to John & Cindy McCain.
we are talking about moderate age differences here DA, up to 15 years.
It does seem a bit more sensible to see an average 60 year old male with a 50 year old woman than a 25 year old woman. IIRC, my dad has frequently recounted how various employees who were 5 to 10 years younger than him were openly attracted to him at his workplace. Of course, to me, it seems highly bizzare that they would be interested in him, but then, as I always say, “nobody likes me”…
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especially if her parents are virulent racists.
David, you have commented here that you would not let your hypothetical half-white daughter date black males and that you’d like to ‘whiten’ your lineage by successive intermarriages with whites.
So why do you call parents of white girls who don’t want them fucking blacks “virulent racists”?
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@40 David Alexander
Harrison Ford comes across as a strong, masculine, virulent man. In effect, an aged alpha male. Does this billionaire have a similar effect, or his immense wealth covering up a massive beta factor.
I don’t know much about James Clark’s personality, but I do know that having billions of dollars covers up a LOT of shortcomings. A billion dollars instantly makes you funnier, more masculine, and interesting. So much so that you can date 27 year-old Victoria’s Secret models when you’re 63.
I guess it would be prudent to bet $20 on the married wife of such a man cheating on him with a virulent young male.
Probably a good bet, though it smacks of player hating. 🙂
As beautiful as Kristy Hinze is, I’m not convinced that James Clark is not cheating on her, at least on occasion. But then they may have a mutual “understanding” about these things…
This also reminds me of when a 40+ Jerry Seinfeld was dating that 18 year old Sosshana chick ages ago. Anyone remember that?
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Most early teen girls who have gotten their periods and started boob/ass development still look really too young.
The exceptions of girls with ample boobs and ass and who look fully mature at 14-15 don’t prove the rule.
The proverb means that the exceptionality of an event proves (or is favorable evidence) that its converse is non-exceptional, i.e., a rule. The fact that bearded women are considered freaks of nature is strong evidence that women don’t have beards. Your use of the proverb makes no sense.
I believe the reason why people insist on having a relatively high age of consent (16-18) is that it is only at this age when virtually every young person has reached suitable levels of maturity. Even if a few 14-year olds were mature enough, there remaining “dull” ones must still be protected, even at the cost of reducing the freedom of the “bright” ones.
As a side note, which one is more exceptional: a 50+ man having a long-term affair with a 30- woman, or vice versa?
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“Feminism is responsible for more than its share of absurdities, but statutory rape laws are not among them. Age of consent laws have been on the books for decades and long pre-date feminism.”
You are wrong Peter:
feminism began in the late 19 century, and aggressively pushed three main agendas
-prohibition of alcohol
-prohibition of prostitution
-raising age of marriage and of consent
All three agendas were implemented in the US. Real men have overturned the prohibition of alcohol. Prostitution is still criminalized, but almost nobody gets jailed for it. Age of consent laws are still firmly standing and ever rising. Infantilization of young nubile women is part of the feminist terror strategy to force men to marry women of postnubile age.
@DA: If I were your father I would hire a nice whore for you and make sure that you become a real man.
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“David, you have commented here that you would not let your hypothetical half-white daughter date black males and that you’d like to ‘whiten’ your lineage by successive intermarriages with whites.”
Wow! I had no idea. What a hypocrite David Alexander is?!?
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Hope, I’m surprised to see you too resorting to that idiotic, rotten, hollow, insipid, content-free excuse for an English-language word, “racism.”
Ah, I love how everyone hates that word. Dropping the word racism in a crowd of mostly white men is such a big no-no. Frankly racism, sexism, etc. are pretty harmless for the most part unless people don’t acknowledge that they have it in them. I know I have racist and sexist thoughts and tendencies, but I don’t work in law. I also grew up under communists, and I’m pretty much fine with authoritarian societies, and even most aspects of this one that seek to return to a 1920s style “old American utopia.” It’s not really my place to say what this country should or should not do with itself.
However, it is ironic that someone is peeved about the way 1 in 100 Americans are incarcerated, attributing it to some nebulous cause as “crack down culture.” But when I bring up that it’s mostly blacks and Hispanics who are in that incarceration population, people get indignant about the possibility that it has something to do with race. I am pointing out the fact that most of us here are in no danger of being jailed, which I imagine should be good news, not something about which people become more indignant.
In this crowd, being politically incorrect is bringing up race.
Certainly there cannot be innate racial differences in proclivity for crime…
Or perhaps there are socioeconomic differences in proclivity for crime?
Hope, where do you live? In a nice white (or asian) community or in a predominantly black or hispanic community.
I know white people who did a lot of things for which they could have gotten lots of prison time for, but they didn’t. I did grow up in a predominantly white neighborhood and attended an elite, white-washed private schools, so I also knew intimately what they did that were illegal. None of them ever got in jail for it, even when the authorities got involved. Among poorer whites this was less of the case.
If you dig a little deeper still into race & crime statistics, you’ll find that Asian people have the lowest incarceration rate, even lower than that of whites.
Asians are, on the whole, meek, law-abiding and refuse to speak out against authority. I am a little bit rebellious by Asian standards, but I’m still a goodie two shoes compared to most Americans.
Obviously this means that America is run by Asian supremacists who oppress whites, Hispanics and blacks alike.
My parents are extremely racist against blacks, and look down on anyone who isn’t white or Asian. Some Asians are racist against whites, Hispanics and blacks. America isn’t run by such Asians, obviously, but whites can be subject to racism the same way other races can be.
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“Can a 63 year old middle class man attract a relatively decent looking 27 year old female of a similar class ”
Attract, sure. Keep, fuck no. Who you kidding.
I love how there are all these old mother fuckers (I’m talking to you dudes over 30 worth no more than 20 bucks in your wallet) that think they can get with a teenage girl if it were permissable. Cracka, please.
All you old ladies, you get beat down enough so I let you rest today. I don’t know why you bitches keep coming here to get abused anyway. Prolly trying to relive how the ex used to beat your ass after sex right?
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So why do you call parents of white girls who don’t want them fucking blacks “virulent racists”?
There’s a difference between not wanting your underage child to date a black person, and using the criminal justice system to punish another person’s child for simply having a romantic interest in your children. Even if my hypothetical mixed race daughter wanted to date a black guy, not only would it be wrong for me interfere, especially the man is a good young man since I’m essentially replicating some of the hatred that I’m trying to fight, but it would be extremely wrong of me to use the criminal justice system to execute my revenge on him for loving my daughter.
BTW, the theory behind whitening my lineage is to avoid the “problems” and “traits” of being black.
Probably a good bet, though it smacks of player hating.
I am the ultimate player hater. This is my favourite drink.
This also reminds me of when a 40+ Jerry Seinfeld was dating that 18 year old Sosshana chick ages ago. Anyone remember that?
Yeah, I remember that. IIRC, there wasn’t much complaint about him and his taste in women…
feminism began in the late 19 century, and aggressively pushed three main agendas
Gannon, one must remember that prohibition was generally a culture war between Protestants and Catholics. Protestants saw immigrant Catholics and their heavy use of alcohol as a sign of cultural (and “racial”) inferiority, and felt that the end of alcohol would reform their impure lives. Prohibition was one of those bizzare fads that became popular in the Anglo-Saxon world and Scandinavia during the late 18th and 19th centuries, and petered out during the 1930s when results of the experiment proved otherwise. Feminists supported prohibition when in light of the effects of excessive alcohol use and alcoholism on families.
If I were your father I would hire a nice whore for you and make sure that you become a real man.
My dad would never do that, and I’ve determined that given his angry attitude when he discovered that his brother did so for one his nephews. My dad is certainly not prudish, but his view has always been that virginity is something you lose to somebody who’s interested in sex, not to the uninterested local area prostitute, and that losing one’s virginity to a prostitute creates a man who becomes a selfish lover with his future wife.
As much as I make “porn and prostitutes” as the solution to young men who can’t get laid, I’m weary of using prostitutes since I just can’t have sex with a woman who is uninterested in the process. Yes, she may consent to the sex, she’s not enjoying it, and that makes me feel guilty. Besides, losing my virginity hasn’t changed much in my life, except for a rapid consumption of porn, baby oil, and lotion, and a massive decrease in hours spent sleeping. It hasn’t made me more of a man, nor has it made me less of a man, and I’d suspect the same is true for other me as well.
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Hope:
“But when I bring up that it’s mostly blacks and Hispanics who are in that incarceration population, people get indignant about the possibility that it has something to do with race.”
No, you brought up those correlations to buttress your assertion that racism was somehow responsible for those disparities. Now, you are simply trying to obfuscate the issue with your typical emotive logic.
“Or perhaps there are socioeconomic differences in proclivity for crime?”
Perhaps there’s both. Nonetheless, you haven’t brought any evidence thus far except for your anecdotal observations.
“I know white people who did a lot of things for which they could have gotten lots of prison time for, but they didn’t. I did grow up in a predominantly white neighborhood and attended an elite, white-washed private schools, so I also knew intimately what they did that were illegal. None of them ever got in jail for it, even when the authorities got involved. Among poorer whites this was less of the case.”
I know an Asian chick on the internet with a name that rhymes with ‘mope’ who can’t argue except in emotive terms, doesn’t like to back up her facts with anything but anecdotal observations and estrogen. Using your logic, should I assume all Asian chicks are as fact challenged as you?
I see you never disputed my assertion you were a limousine liberal- and by extension, a hypocrite. It went without saying, of course.
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For anyone who wants to read about the issue of poverty and crime vs poverty and race using real facts, here is a post from the great Godless Capitalist of gnxp.com:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:ukJNjQk0oDMJ:www.gnxp.com/oldblog/nopub/85379116+gene+expression+poverty+race&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
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http://www.forbes.com/columnists/global/2006/0703/018.html
It usually works that a man who is interesting, handsome, and/or intelligent is loved by women. Men with these qualities also tend to become rich, powerful, and/or famous. So everything is interconnected.
girls are attracted to boys near their age because that’s who they associate with. if they hung around with older guys that’s what they’d be into. of course they will like the things that younger men can offer them, but if they associate with enough older guys they’ll end up liking some of them.
This isn’t the same as if I lived in Korea, I’d speak Korean. Young girls naturally associate with young guys not just because that’s the way it works out, but because that’s who they’re most likely biologically predisposed to be attracted to. If they were supposed to be attracted to old dudes, they’d be attracted to them regardless of the old dude’s money and power.
For every girl who apparently swooned over H. Ford, she had thirty friends who put up posters of Jonathan Taylor Thomas on her wall. He was really damn cute!!!
Also, just because old men really like young girls doesn’t mean young girl really like old men. They kinda maybe like old men sometimes.
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“There’s a difference between not wanting your underage child to date a black person, and using the criminal justice system to punish another person’s child for simply having a romantic interest in your children. Even if my hypothetical mixed race daughter wanted to date a black guy, not only would it be wrong for me interfere, especially the man is a good young man since I’m essentially replicating some of the hatred that I’m trying to fight, but it would be extremely wrong of me to use the criminal justice system to execute my revenge on him for loving my daughter.”
I think right and wrong is determined by society and can change with the times. I believe in following the laws of a country, but I’m not much of a moralist since I have some strong libertarian traits on a lot of issues. However, I don’t have a problem with what you just wrote. It would be wrong for the justice system to be discriminatory on this or any matter. However, I have a hypothetical question:
If you are a person of race X who doesn’t want your kids to mate with people of race Y, then is it right or wrong to do things indirectly that will ensure this is of little likelihood?
It seems that doing things like:
1) telling your kids your views of another race
2) moving away from a certain race
3) having your kids be steered to schools away from a certain race
are all things I could see you doing that would have a tremendous impact (especially indirectly) on the impressionable mind of a kid. If I am wrong please tell me.
Also, even IF this behavior is inappropriate, I strongly doubt government would have any way of controlling how people are going to act in these intimate, familial setting with their kids.
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Now, you are simply trying to obfuscate the issue with your typical emotive logic.
Ad hominem logic isn’t so much better for securing your arguments.
Nonetheless, you haven’t brought any evidence thus far except for your anecdotal observations.
My anecdotal observations notwithstanding, you assume about me based on my few statements alone. See below:
I see you never disputed my assertion you were a limousine liberal- and by extension, a hypocrite.
I grew up poor enough to be on welfare, but I attended a private school on scholarship and financial aid. I was piss poor in a sea of rich people, so I’m a hypocrite now because I’m no longer poor? That works for your logic, I’m sure.
Using your logic, should I assume all Asian chicks are as fact challenged as you?
This country has a higher incarceration of blacks and Hispanics for mostly non-violent crimes, not due to the severity of the crimes themselves but due to the War on Drugs.
I know a ton of white people that do drugs. Perhaps you do, too. My Asian, “emotive” logic might be too much for you to connect the dots, but this article might:
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/incarceration/
“The national war on drugs has perhaps been the primary factor behind the extraordinary rates at which blacks are incarcerated.”
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Hope:
“I grew up poor enough to be on welfare, but I attended a private school on scholarship and financial aid. I was piss poor in a sea of rich people, so I’m a hypocrite now because I’m no longer poor? That works for your logic, I’m sure.”
Whoopdeedoo! Now, you can live in a nice white/asian neighborhood away from all those groups you purport to sympathize with, who would, of course, be exactly where you are but for white racism. Again, your background belies your hypocrisy and that you are a limousine liberal.
“This country has a higher incarceration of blacks and Hispanics for mostly non-violent crimes, not due to the severity of the crimes themselves but due to the War on Drugs.”
Go see the link anonymous 1 provided. It clearly shows the significant disparities in violent crime between races and how race is a stronger predictor than poverty.
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The website has the proof we need. Kill the niggers or export them back to the Africa they love so much. America is for whites only, not for criminally inclined savages.
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To the last 2 posters:
Maybe our country would do better without fucking morons like you. You seem to really be lowering the IQ average of the nation. Talk about race all you want, but do it intelligently.
Perhaps we can kill you? You’re not necessary.
Yeah, that’d be nice.
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Nigger lovers like you are why this nation is overrun with vermin who create havoc. Boot the niggers and spics, and this country will return to solid traditional values that allow for the growth of the American republic.
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@51 rina
It usually works that a man who is interesting, handsome, and/or intelligent is loved by women. Men with these qualities also tend to become rich, powerful, and/or famous. So everything is interconnected.
Absolutely correct. It’s not like billions of dollars fall on the heads of average people out of the blue. You have to be doing something interesting, possibly requiring higher than average intelligence to get it. Being a billionaire is a shortcut to providing “proof” to people that you are successful.
As they say, money is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
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“Talk about race all you want, but do it intelligently. Perhaps we can kill you? You’re not necessary. Yeah, that’d be nice.”
Ooooh. The liberal fangs come out!
For the record, Mr. Liberal Hitler, a true connoisseur of human biodiversity research actually tries to read the massive amount of evidence behind the assertions and doesn’t support irrational discrimination.
‘Talk about race intelligently’ means talk about race in a politically correct way that only liberals like that supports anachronistic notions like ‘blank slate’ theory despite all the evidence to the contrary.
BTW, Voice of Reason is obviously a liberal sarcastic asshole that you fell for and responded to.
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@David Alexander
I am the ultimate player hater. This is my favourite drink.
We all do it sometimes. It’s in our genes. 🙂
“Yeah, I remember that. IIRC, there wasn’t much complaint about him and his taste in women…”
Au contraire! It was quite the mini-scandal. Soshana was actually 17 when they began dating. Also the circumstances around his betrothal to his current wife was quite the mini-scandal too. She quickly broke off an engagement after she met the great Seinfeld at an upscale gym.
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It clearly shows the significant disparities in violent crime between races and how race is a stronger predictor than poverty.
I never said race wasn’t correlated with crime. I said that race is correlated with the incarceration rate, and I don’t see you disproving this with any facts or figures.
I’m not much of a moralist since I have some strong libertarian traits on a lot of issues.
Libertarians generally dislike the War on Drugs, which is wasteful, big government spending. It is behind much of the racial disparities in incarceration rates as well as the high overall prison population. Yet you only point to violent crimes which are at the same level as in 1974, and has decreased steadily since 1991. Logic and proof don’t seem to appeal to you more than name-calling.
Again, your background belies your hypocrisy and that you are a limousine liberal.
Again, your ad hominem attacks are utterly worthless.
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“I never said race wasn’t correlated with crime. I said that race is correlated with the incarceration rate, and I don’t see you disproving this with any facts or figures.”
Because you haven’t proven that the incarceration rate is racist.
“Yet you only point to violent crimes which are at the same level as in 1974, and has decreased steadily since 1991. Logic and proof don’t seem to appeal to you more than name-calling.”
A lot of the reason for the stabilization of the rate of violent crime is due to the massive increase in the rate of incarcerations:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/04/introducing-crime-misery-index.html
Again, this is called using facts to support your case.
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For the record, Mr. Liberal Hitler, a true connoisseur of human biodiversity research actually tries to read the massive amount of evidence behind the assertions and doesn’t support irrational discrimination.
From what I’ve seen, the HBD types tend to be just smarter and scientically inclined racists who use facts to back up their racism and discrimination. Instead of simply saying “I hate niggers”, their statements are couched with facts and research. A typical HBD statement is “I prefer to avoid blacks because their low IQ leads them to commit more crimes. That’s also why I don’t befriend them or employ them.”
As far as I’m concerned, for an HBD-Stormfronter-Sailer/HalfSigma/GNXP reader, rational discrimination is simply classic racism backed with facts that prove low IQ is genetic and the genetic inheritance of low IQ in blacks is the source of all evil in the world.
‘Talk about race intelligently’ means talk about race in a politically correct way that only liberals like that supports anachronistic notions like ‘blank slate’ theory despite all the evidence to the contrary.
As far as I’m concerned, there is no way to talk about race intelligently since nearly every characteristic that’s discussed simply makes blacks look inferior to whites and Asians.
Au contraire! It was quite the mini-scandal. Soshana was actually 17 when they began dating.
So Seinfeld is a Gannonist…
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A lot of the reason for the stabilization of the rate of violent crime is due to the massive increase in the rate of incarcerations:
According to this article, the decrease in violent crimes is also due to a myriad of factors including the growth of the military and income levels. “Stiffer sentencing” is not the reason for the decline because sending a person to jail only happens after the crime occurs, therefore it only prevents repeat offenses.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3237.html
Because you haven’t proven that the incarceration rate is racist.
From the earlier link:
“This racial disparity bears little relationship to racial differences in drug offending. For example, although the proportion of all drug users who are black is generally in the range of 13 to 15 percent, blacks constitute 36 percent of arrests for drug possession. Blacks constitute 63 percent of all drug offenders admitted to state prisons. In at least fifteen states, black men were sent to prison on drug charges at rates ranging from twenty to fifty-seven times those of white men.”
There are other factors, surely. Maybe they have worse lawyers, live in neighborhoods where the cops knock on doors to check for drug use more often, or maybe they just use drugs that much more than white people do and abuse them that much harder. But to say that race has nothing to do with it? Maybe you have some grandiose beliefs about the goodness of human nature and how racism is completely dead, but I prefer my eye level with reality.
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“But to say that race has nothing to do with it? Maybe you have some grandiose beliefs about the goodness of human nature and how racism is completely dead, but I prefer my eye level with reality.”
I didn’t say that. I said that you hadn’t proven to me that the incarceration rate was racist.
“Stiffer sentencing” is not the reason for the decline because sending a person to jail only happens after the crime occurs, therefore it only prevents repeat offenses.”
This statement is absurd. The author never provides any evidence to refute the notion that prevention, by itself, can largely decrease or stabilize the crime rate.
Furthermore, the author never said offered any in depth explanation other than his assertion that other factors than the incarceration rate were at work to lower the crime rate. He never links the factors you cited like military enrollment or unemployment to crime, and more importantly never weighs one factor versus the other in importance. He may be right, but he, like you, haven’t proven your case with much substantiation.
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Nigger lovers like you are why this nation is overrun with vermin who create havoc. Boot the niggers and spics, and this country will return to solid traditional values that allow for the growth of the American republic.
Haven’t you heard? Your worries are soon to become irrelevant. The Towel Heads are going to Conquer the World and haul us off to the ovens! We’ll soon be choking slowly on the Zyklon B.
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“As far as I’m concerned, for an HBD-Stormfronter-Sailer/HalfSigma/GNXP reader, rational discrimination is simply classic racism backed with facts…”
This statement is absurd. If an assertion is correct and substantiated, the person who holds the assertion cannot be considered a racist for doing so. The assertion may be politically correct, but that is still separate from whether it is factually correct or not.
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People, we’re trying to talk about the appeal of underage girls here — shut the fuck up about racism and crime.
Yeah, the original Lolita was about 10 years old, while the girl in that clip looks 14 or 15.
Look up French singer Alizee on YouTube. She was 16 or 17 when she became famous (she’s now 23), and that shit will fuck with your mind.
I should have added that for any guy far beyond 5 years to appeal to a teenager, he has to look good by teenage girl standards — Jake Gyllenhaal, Johnny Depp, Jared Leto, y’know, the pretty boy type. Large eyes and full lips like a girl, but with a more masculine jaw and chin.
He definitely should not have a sexual or player vibe. Teenage girls are attracted to “my friend’s cool, hot older brother.”
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Some nice LEGAL Argentine sites
http://www.dosual.com/
http://informatica.obolog.com/
http://victorfakir.blogspot.com/
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Look up French singer Alizee on YouTube. She was 16 or 17 when she became famous (she’s now 23), and that shit will fuck with your mind.
IMHO, Alizée at 23 looks better and slightly more sexually appealing than at 17. Mind you, she’s still much too “cute” for my sexual tastes.
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18 DOBA
“WHAT THE F***?? Bill exploited Monica??? Are you insane? I hate this fucking country. I seriously do. I hope we’re under Sharia law soon.”
Don’t have a fucking heart attack.
Exploit: benefit unfairly from the work of (someone), typically by overworking or underpaying them.
I don’t think she was paid enough.
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“I should have added that for any guy far beyond 5 years to appeal to a teenager, he has to look good by teenage girl standards — Jake Gyllenhaal, Johnny Depp, Jared Leto, y’know, the pretty boy type. Large eyes and full lips like a girl, but with a more masculine jaw and chin.”
Agnostic, you’re finally making sense, although I’d add that the younger the girl, the “prettier” and less obviously masculine are the boys likely to appeal to her. That’s what makes stars out of singers like the Hansens or the Osmond brothers or – the best example, perhaps – David Cassidy. When girls are a little older and want to seem sophisticated, they’re drawn to “alternative”-looking singers and actors like the ones you name, men with a slight edge to them but still not macho-looking or too obviously dominant. I think I would put even Kurt Cobain on the list.
Even when marriages between older men and younger women were common, girls had a strong natural preference for boys close to their own age: if you’ve read Jane Austen’s work (unlikely, but you never know), you’ll see this come up often. Emma rejects Mr Knightley at first because, at 38 to her 21, he seems too old to her. They do marry eventually – but his age is shown to be an obstacle.
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Alizee’s facial bone structure will be one of the preferred templates for caucasoid females in the age of voluntary eugenics.
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“Incarcerate rate is a factor, but there are other factors. Read this article. I tire of this”
I tire of your unsupported assertions, and I did read the article.
Go read the link to poverty, race, and violent crime from Godless Capitalist. Like I said, after reading your article, the author supports his latter assertions about these ancillary factors about as well as you- with little evidence to back him up.
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Go read the link to poverty, race, and violent crime from Godless Capitalist.
I read it, and it appeared to only focus on IQ, genetics and sociobiology while ignoring a plethora of other factors. I don’t take such a simplistic view to the world.
Here’s a link:
http://law.jrank.org/pages/1916/Race-Crime.html
The page cites numerous reasons for links between race and crime, and the section “Bio-psychological Theory” discusses the IQ/gene link. It did not dismiss it, but also in no way presented it as the only cause. Also take a look at the “Conflict Theory” section.
Just to be polite to the discussion of lolitas, here’s a link to more, higher quality Alizee videos:
http://moi-alizee.us/media.php?sort=10
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80 crackpot
” She needs to ‘cash in her chips’ in her prime years with the best guy she can get.”
And I assume that best guy would be YOU?? LOL
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The denial of this fact leads to stupid comments like this, from a woman whose husband left her for a 19 year old: “I’ve done nothing wrong – how could he prefer a 19-year-old bimbo to the mother of his children?”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=455569&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490
Unrelated:
Men are apparently incapable of recognising when a woman is flirting with them http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=550208&in_page_id=1770, fascinating stuff.
In prostitute related news, a girl who GOT INTO UNIVERSITY AT 16, and could literally have any job in the world chooses to… become a prostitute. The reason? Well, beneath the usual blather about a tough childhood a little factoid bobs to the surface – £130 AN HOUR! And as this is an illegal profession that’s TAX FREE, which means a lot in Gordon Brown’s Britain. This girl has an IQ in the stratosphere (look at her fathers forehead – he’s like a future human being), and yet she becomes a prostitute.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=550549&in_page_id=1770
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@ Cuchulainn: yeah, I read that story of the 19 year old babysitter.
Two things:
1) The wife, who is 36, looks like shit, another reason to marry a nice teen girl.
2) There is a guy called Derek who believes that the wife looks better than the Nanny. I guess Peter isn’t the only closet homosexual around.
But seriously speaking, the oldest daughetr was 7 years old, so that means the man married her at 29. And here is the problem, men form lifelong bond to women they mated with between the ages of 14-22, the bonds with women older than that will be very weak.
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I’m comment 87.
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Well, beneath the usual blather about a tough childhood a little factoid bobs to the surface – £130 AN HOUR!
Have you read this article?
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/3003_hooker.shtml
“Cheerful Sufiah gave no indication of any sadness at the jailing of her father the previous day. On Wednesday Farooq, 50, was sentenced to 18 months at Coventry Crown Court for touching two 15-year-old girls when he was home tutoring them at maths.”
Her father was a strict Muslim and brought up all the kids like little child slaves, pushing schooling down their throats. Strippers make easily that much per hour, are at far less risk for STDs, and the cash tips are not usually reported as tax either. With all her brain power she could have figured that one out.
men form lifelong bond to women they mated with between the ages of 14-22
Excellent point, one that those who like to talk about older men being with younger girls never mention. Young men form strong bonds with young women, too.
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The posting strikes me as basically true to the point of being hard to argue with. Two things:
* When asked, a lot of young girls say that any guy more than 5 or ten years older is gross or icky. That said, many of them are secretly dying to be brought into life by a confident guy who’s already well-established – in other words, a guy 35 or older.
* There’s also the mischief factor. Young girls often love announcing to the world that they’re now sexual, ie., grownup. Combine this with youthful reckelessness and you get a lot of seductive behavior and button-pushing. In French culture, there’s a standard trope of 15 year old girls seducing Dad’s best friend. This gets written about and filmed by females as well as males, by the way, so it isn’t pure wish-fulfillment projection on the part of middle-aged guys. Crises ensue, the girl feels that she’s made her public announcement, and in a year or two she moves on to guys her own age.
* A couple of terrif movies on the theme: Bertrand Blier’s “Beau Pere,” and Catherine Breillat’s “36 Fillette.”
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Incidentally, let’s also face one fact: guys of 13 or 14 are about as unappealing as can be. Why would any girl, including girls of 13 and 14, want to have anything to do with them? It’s tragic for the boys because they’re just about bursting with hormones and jism at that age, and they’d love to be gettig their own sex lives started. But, hey, life is tough.
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#85, proof positive that the UK has some of the ugliest people in the world. Goddamn! Even the 19 year old is fugly but the wife was older [36] than the husband [31] so it was doomed from the start.
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@Hope: are you supporting me? All I say is that we should marry our daugthers of nubile age (14-22) to young honorable men 5 to 15 years older. Men will naturaly form lifelong bond to these women, and the woman will alway be attractive to the man. The 40 year old man will be happy with his 29 year old still attractive wife rather than an middleaged 38 year old. He will think very hard before booting or mistreating the woman which gave her virginity up for him.
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MB, I’d like to agree with you but I don’t think so. You would like to believe that 15 year old girls are into 35 year old guys (cause maybe you’re north of 35) but trust me a hot 15/16 year old has choices that do not include boys her own age nor 35 year old dudes.
rina has been the only commenter thus far that has been spot on. Don’t dismiss the importance of good looks to a teenage girl, its half the battle.
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but when an older man lusts for a much younger woman society erects all sorts of barriers and attempts to shame the man into snuffing out his feelings,
You know, societies do differ a lot in that…
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/14/finnish-minister-catches-spitzer-fever/
(But if you’re a 60-year-old going after 29-year-old strippers, why would you choose one that looks more 39 than 29?)
Maybe we should send the charming foreign minister to meet his counterpart in the US. It might make American foreign policy a lot less cranky.
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OK, now that I’ve actually read thru the comments …
1) Take the race argument elsewhere, please.
2) I notice in these commentsthreaders that various issues get mushed up together. Maybe they shouldn’t be.
One example: sex fantasies and actual sexual behavior. Thinking about something (and even enjoying the thought) isn’t the same as doing it.
Another example: Who you might get a kick out of fucking or having an affair with and who it makes sense to settle down with. Sometimes those two categories overlap, sometimes they don’t. The settling-down question (approached semi-rationally anyway) has to do with a lot of things, sexual attraction being only one of them. Can you trust each other? Can you imagine spending a life together? Are you on roughly the same page where economic and breeding ambitions go? These questions don’t enter into the “Would I love to fuck this person?” question generally. In any case, trying to puzzle out who you might settle down with by relying entirely on the question of who turns you on is going to get you in deep, deep trouble, probably of an un-fun kind.
3) I notice that a lot of you seem to be turning to evo-bio in order to figure out how to get thru your lives, or maybe just to justify choices you’ve already made. Um, evo-bio is a way of figuring out behavior generally; it’s not a template for any individual’s life. It’s a way of accounting for how the species gets by. It’s not an advice column offering tips to young people confused about which choices they should make. It’s science of a kind. It isn’t morality, and it isn’t self-help.
4) Some of you also seem to think that there should be some sensible solution to all these problems, and that it can be arrived at either by arguing or by relying on evo-bio. I think that’s a little naive. Life isn’t constructed for your convenience or pleasure, sad to say. And (returning to the subject of this posting) one proof of this is that gals and guys have different life cycles and often different agendas.
Some examples: We peak and age at different rates. Women are often at their physically ripest at 14, but often don’t really know how to conduct a sex life until they’re 40. Tough! Guys are hottest to go at 14 but are physically gross and tempermantally repellant at that age. Tough! When a man has it together in worldly terms — ie., when he’s most confident and most attractive — he doesn’t get hard as often as he did when he was a pimply adolescent. Tough! Guys remain interested in sex right into the grave, which puts them at grave risk during the elderly years for making fools of themselves. Tough! By the time women make sense out of sex, they’ve often lost their looks. Tough! Women are often much more devoted to having kids than men are. Tough! Men often can’t help wishing they might be able to share their enthusiasms with their wives, only to discover that the only things she’s really interested in are looking good, buying furniture, and worrying about the children. Tough! Aside from taking all this into account, cultivating a sense of humor and fondness, and appreciaiting the irony of it all, I don’t know how else to deal with it. There’s certainly no “solution” to any of it.
DF –I’m in my 50s, I know when I’m projecting and when I’m not. Here I’m reporting a fact. I’ve known numerous women who started off their sex lives with much older men. None of them expected this to happen — in other words, as with many women, they thought they knew what they wanted (boyfriends their own age), and then they discovered something that *really* clicked for them. And then, once they were comfy with themselves, thanks to having been led into the sexual phase of their lives by guys who knew what they were doing, they got back to having relationships with guys closer to their own age. None of them expressed any regrets about this. In fact, they sort of pity girls who have to fumble their way into sex with inept young guys. Being initiated into sex by older partners (whether guy-girl or girl-guy) isn’t uncommon, and it can be a pretty good way of contending with some of life’s absurdities. (See above: men and women peak at different ages, etc.)
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You whippersnappers might enjoy learning about David Hamilton. He was a photographer and filmmaker who had quite a career back in the ’60s and ’70s making misty images and corny-arty movies about coltish girls just on the edge of ripening. That was his thing, girls still in the process of blossoming. There wasn’t much outrage about this at the time — Hamilton was very popular. It was just kind of assumed that girls that age had an allure for a lot of people, and that it could at the very least be fun to look at them. Here’s his website. Wikipedia. Incidentally, contra Alias Clio I can’t see anything remotely gay about this. Appreciating that tender moment when a flower bursts from its bud — well, it’s been a big element in Euro culture for centuries.
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All I say is that we should marry our daugthers of nubile age (14-22) to young honorable men 5 to 15 years older. Men will naturaly form lifelong bond to these women
I don’t know about a 35 year old man forming a lifelong bond to a 20 year old girl at all. If anything, the previous posters’ links indicate that given the option, the old man would simply trade the girl in for another 20 year old nubile girl whenever the girl got too old for his tastes.
“…as Charlie Chaplin got older his wives stayed the same age. His friend Cary Grant’s wives also stayed the same age as he got older. His last wife was 50 years younger.”
A young boy will stay loyal to a young girl if she is his first love, just as a young girl will stay loyal to a guy if he is her first love. It’s biology. The young boy might not be able to provide the financial security and father figure that a much older man might, but his bond to a young girl is much stronger than an older man’s bond to a young girl.
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“What is needed is to know about sex. Knowing is power. And knowing about sex can become a great power. It is not good to live in ignorance, and even less to live in ignorance about sex.
It is okay if we don’t go to the moon, there is no real need to go there. Humanity may not benefit much by reaching the moon. Nor is it necessary to fathom the depths of the ocean where no light penetrates. Reaching there is not going to bring some absolute good to humanity. It also isn’t needed that we split and know the atom. But one thing is absolutely necessary–of ultimate concern–and that is that we come to know and understand sex rightly so that we can succeed in giving birth to a new humanity.”
Osho–Sex Matters
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@Hope: that is not true hope. Man naturally bond with young women, maybe not until they are 60, but probably at least until they are 40. Nature designed them that way. Man have much more staying power than women. Women bloom extremly strong, but only for a short while.
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@Miik:
I don’t really know why you feel threatened. If main preference are girls in their middtwenties, all the more power for you. There is nothing wrong about tolerance and diversity.
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Man naturally bond with young women, maybe not until they are 60, but probably at least until they are 40. Nature designed them that way. Man have much more staying power than women. Women bloom extremly strong, but only for a short while.
This makes very little sense. Men are the ones who tend to want as many different mates as possible to spread their genes around, while women tend to bond strongly to one mate. Yes this effect diminishes when she gets older, but the same thing also happens to men. Nature designed men to stray (sperms are cheap) unless they are intensely bonded to one woman. Unless by staying power you mean the ability to reproduce until a man is extremely old?
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Why are you all so hung up on age? It’s the quality of sex period. There is no societal, psychological, evolutionary, biological role model that can help us improve the quality of our sex lives. Young, old, middle-aged, rich, poor, religious, non-religious, players, prostitutes, strippers, virgins, sluts, pump and dump, married, not married, gay, straight, smart, dumb, average……. few have a clue as far as the real purpose of sex, which is transformation. Like manure turns into a living plant, so can sex turn into love. Love of all kinds. A mother’s love for her child is sexual; he/she lives in the womb for nine months. What is more “sex” than that? Which is why a mother’s love is the deepest love there is. A man and woman can attain to the same level of love but not without deep respect and awareness of the power of sex energy and how to tap into it and increase it.
Yeah, I know, I lost you guys after the 1st sentence. Don’t care! I rather enjoy talking to myself; masturbating as it were. Have a good day. 🙂
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a 35 year old man will bond in love much more strongly to a 22 year old woman than he would to a woman closer to his age. that was the whole point of lolita.
what many of you are conveniently forgetting is that love blooms from relationships where lust is the driving force. this is doubly true for men.
Lust springs forth like a nuclear explosion when love happens, whilst lust itself usually does not turn into love and is more subdued in the absence of love. A person usually lusts after many but falls in love very few times. Men who love first and lust afterwards also form stronger bonds, the same way that women do (through oxytocin).
Whether the 35 year old man would bond more with the 22 year old woman vs. a 35 year old woman has no bearing on whether the 22 year old man bonds stronger with the same woman. A 22 year old man can fall much harder for a 22 year old woman if it is his first love than the 35 year old man can. From a woman’s perspective it is preferable to catch a man young to form bonds with him as well.
The world’s oldest living couple has never been separated for 83 years, and they married when she was 15 and he was 21. Had he been 35, they might have divorced because he has already formed his life, whereas she was still growing. My husband and I grew into adulthood together, and our age difference is 6 years.
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@HOPE: what you seem to forget Hope is that if a 35 year old man still wants to find happiness and form a family his only choice is to attract a 22 or so year old woman. If he searches for a woman his age he can choose between and infertile 35 year old Spinster or a divorced mother and spending his asvings on anothe man’s children, both losing options.
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Hope
“lust itself usually does not turn into love”
There is no good reason in the world why lust cannot turn into love. Freud was right when he discovered that sex is everything. Sex energy is everything. Lust is sex energy and can be transformed into love. No problem, except that hardly anyone does it.
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Once again, Candy Cane, I agree with you. Just so you know that I don’t make it a point to argue with you for the fun of it.
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102 Gannon
threatened by you ? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
teenage girls are
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“If he searches for a woman his age he can choose between and infertile 35 year old Spinster or a divorced mother and spending his savings on another man’s children, both losing options.”
Gannon, you’re a fucking genius! I agree 100% with this! Both are losing options- and who’s to say the divorced mother will be that fertile at that age!
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Michael 2B, I wasn’t trying to say that there is anything gay about men who appreciate “the flower bursting from its bud”. My point about Lolita was that she was a flower who showed no sign yet of bursting from her bud – she was a tomboy with a trashy mouth, showing few signs of femininity. Quite unlike the girls in David Hamilton’s photos, who are always portrayed as scrawny-but-ultra-feminine nymphs (i.e., not nymphets), in diaphanous clothes and soft-focus lighting.
Incidentally, David Hamilton photos were extremely popular among the arty girls I knew in my late teens/early twenties, but I don’t know if they were ever that popular among men. Perhaps that means they are rather gay after all? I don’t know.
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Lust is sex energy and can be transformed into love. No problem, except that hardly anyone does it.
That’s kind of my point when I said “usually” lust doesn’t turn into love. I allowed for exceptions in my declaration.
his only choice is to attract a 22 or so year old woman.
Not necessarily (see next section). My other question for the 35 year old man is why didn’t he choose a nice girl in her early 20s to marry and have kids with when he was, say, 25 or 26? I know plenty of married guys who are in their early to mid 20s — your age, Gannon.
Why would the 35 year old who is possibly divorced or has had several long term relationships but did not want to settle down expect the guys in their 20s to go without young, nubile girls (contributing to the girl shortage) for several years? Or should those younger men simply go after the older women, and then when they are older get the younger women, as Michael Blowhard suggested?
if a 35 year old man still wants to find happiness
According to this article he has another chance for happiness, which is reconnecting with his first love. Apparently the most successful unions are “between first or early loves—those relationships that took place between one’s teens and early 20s.” This statistic proves that men bond stronger in their teens and early 20s as well as women.
“When these past lovers married each other, their divorce rate after four years tallied in at no more than 1.5 percent. Usually, second marriages are relatively fragile: In the public at large, nearly one-quarter of all couples who remarry get divorced again within five years.”
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109 Gannon
You seem to be saying that a 35 year old man would have exactly two choices. One leads to fulfillment, happiness and bliss via marriage a 20ish woman OR frustration and misery with a 35 year old spinster with baggage i.e. seeds from another man. Are you and crackpot by any chance related? You both are suffering from severely limited world views.
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Oh, Gannon, BTW, fertility doesn’t abruptly cease at 35 for women. It drops, but it can’t be relied on to have disappeared completely, as some women find out to their cost. There are many women married at that age who go on to have 4 children (i.e. Annette Bening). That’s less likely to happen, though, if the woman has had a lot of unprotected sex, which increases her chances of having contracted a fertility-threatening disease.
Sometimes the assumptions on this board are ludicrous.
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@Miik
Great man, so we have a working agreement. You date the older ones, and I date the younger ones and we are both happy.
Pleasure doing business with you.
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Gannon, if you’re pissing off Candy Cane, you know you’re doing something right! Keep up the good work!
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111 alias clio
You agree with me? Thank you! I feel all giddy inside!
Sometimes I throw pearls, sometimes manure. Quoting Osho is definitely pearls whether anyone here recognizes them or not. Glad someone does.
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119 crackpot
I hate you both. 😀
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alios clio:
“There are many women married at that age who go on to have 4 children (i.e. Annette Bening).”
There are disproportionately far more women 35 and older who are as fertile as a woman in her 20’s. Gannon’s basic assumption was correct. Your assumption that ‘many’ women ‘at that age’ who go on to have 4 children is risible on its face.
“Sometimes the assumptions on this board are ludicrous.”
I agree that too many people use anecdotes like yours to justify unjustified assertions.
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I like Candy Cane. She is my virtual schoenes junges Maedchen.
Good by guys, I have to go to court, some labour case.
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MB sez: “Being initiated into sex by older partners (whether guy-girl or girl-guy) isn’t uncommon…”
I think it’s pretty much the standard life template among gay males.
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‘far’ should obviously be ‘fewer’ in post 122
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Look, Retard, I’m not trying to claim that a woman’s fertility remains the same at 35 as at 20. I’m trying to say that it doesn’t vanish completely. Any woman who makes the mistake of assuming that is likely to have a few surprises in her future.
One of the great changes that happened with the arrival of effective birth-control is that far fewer women had children past the age of 40 – because now they could choose to do so more readily, having children only when their health and strength were at their height.
There are statistics to support this, although I don’t happen to have them handy at the moment.
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far fewer women had children past the age of 40 – because now they could choose to do so more readily, having children only when their health and strength were at their height.
Actually, according to This article:
This might have something to do with the epidemics of various syndromes like Down’s sweeping the nation.
The article also states that 88 percent of the women surveyed overestimated by 5 to 10 years the age at which a woman’s fertility began to decline. So there is a great deal of misinformation out there for women who want to be mothers, leaving them to believe that they can put off having children for a few years, not knowing that this leads to greater risk.
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@Hope
Not also Down, but also autism
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Hope, that’s a fairly recent phenomenon. I was thinking of the period from 1970 to 1985, when there was a definite and obvious drop in the number of women who had children past the age of 40. That’s the period after the effects of mass contraception had taken hold of society, but before late marriage had become commonplace.
Sorry I wasn’t clearer about that.
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A. Clio — Yeah, that’s true, “Lolita” the novel is very different than how it’s generally made out to be. And yeah, David Hamilton was very popular among guys. Not my own taste, generally, but there it was.
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Generally speaking I share Gannon’s world view, guys should be older, girls always much younger, feminism sucks, and single moms are some other dudes problem. We just disagree on some details and autism is one of them.
Down syndrome has been shown to be linked to a mothers age at child birth but the causes of autism are not yet clear. There are many theories floating around, none are conclusive.
One of these days he’s gonna comment on something other than feminism and dating teens but don’t hold your breath.
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118 Gannon
“Great man, so we have a working agreement. You date the older ones, and I date the younger ones and we are both happy. Pleasure doing business with you.”
Once again
you are creating an inappropriate relationship in your mind
We are not agreeing
You get no cred from commenting at me
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I take it from that comment that yuo haven’t actually read the Lolita novel? Because that is in no way the point of Lolita. The girl had no curves, pubic hair, nothing, she was totally prepubescent. Unless you mean the movie versions of Lolita, which sexualized her some and made her more conventionally feminine and pretty…
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FOr sampling purposes, do you remember if those same 8th grade girls were going crazy over dads that they knew in the community? Harrison Ford is a celebrity and thus has fame, some degree of power, and money which casts him in a different league than a local middle class male of the same age.
D. alexander
100% corect. Hollywood and money can make any and everyone hot example Jennifer Aniston.
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“100% corect. Hollywood and money can make any and everyone hot example Jennifer Aniston.”
She has a great body and an above average face, but she’s really a lot more popular among girls than guys. Most guys were never in doubt that she was far less attractive than Angelina Jolie, but a lot of women felt really sorry for her and felt like they could relate to her predicament.
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Porn is a great barometer for what type of girls guys in America find attractive. It is more realistic a barometer than even fashion, which is largely driven by the tastes of liberal gay guys and a few women. In porn, it doesn’t matter if the look that is most represented is politically correct or what the woman’s life story is. The chick has to fit the standard mold or the guys won’t be into her and the porn won’t sell. Period.
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the guys won’t be into her and the porn won’t sell. Period.
Uh, who buys porn anymore? I bet even David Alexander downloads his for free.
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Comments 127, 128 & 131
Most Down Syndrome children are born to young women as they are the ones having the most children.
A woman is simply more likely to have a Down Syndrome child after the age of 35 then before that age. Do you see the statistical difference?
It’s not the mother’s age that causes the syndrome. It’s just that an older mom has used up more of her good eggs then a younger mom, thus increasing her risk
Next, the only study I have read so far, relating autism to parental age is one that merely suggests that there are more autistic children born to older FATHERS. Whether the age is a cause or simply a result of the father being on the spectrum and taking longer to develop socially enough to marry and have children has not been determined. (Autism, particularly Aspergers, runs in families)
I think the cause of autism is far more likely to be some type of inherited autoimmune response as studies out of UCLA are showing that more austic children are born to women with autoimmune diseases such as systemic lupus.
No doubt, researchers will also discover eventually, that not all autism cases are actually the same disease.
Lastly, there is something seriously wrong with an adult man who prefers the company of little girls. Period.
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Uh, who buys porn anymore? I bet even David Alexander downloads his for free.
While some of my porn is purchased from subscription websites in order to get stuff before it hits P2P networks, most of my porn is downloaded. OTOH, maybe I should buy some stuff to support my favourite actresses, directors, and studios.
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100% corect. Hollywood and money can make any and everyone hot example Jennifer Aniston.
not true; rather, hollywood and money can cause anyone and everyone to dress, talk, and act as if they were hot, even if they’re on the left side of the hotness curve. sarah jessica parker anyone?
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way back to comment #3, dizzy8:
anyone with an ounce of ability to read people can tell a girl’s character, and her likelihood to be a good wife, by the time she is 14 or 15 years old.
the same is probably true of most boys, but males are much more likely to graduate from self-destructive egotism to maturity as the result of consequences following from their maladaptive behavior. if a girl has not been reared to the requisite degree of maturity by 14 or so, the state-sanctioned arrestor of development known as feminism, with all its baleful consequences, will ensure that she never grows out of her me-first entitlement syndrome.
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i’m 140.
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“Lastly, there is something seriously wrong with an adult man who prefers the company of little girls. Period.”
I agree with that statement. Men who like LITTLE girls in a sexual way are deviant. But 14-15 year old women are not little, but many are TALLER than their mothers. The main point is that 14-15 year old girls have developed breats and wide hips and fleshy bottoms. Mentally, they have essentially the maturity of older women and are ready to marry and form families after dating for 2-4 years. But society prefers to let them go sour and tells them the lie that at 30 they will have the same trainloads of suitors, while in reality the train will have left the station some time ago, to use a DA metaphor. There is proper time for everything in the circle of life (Disney would be proud of me).
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142 Gannon
“Mentally, they have essentially the maturity of older women and are ready to marry and form families after dating for 2-4 years.”
This is some major speculation here….or wishful thinking. Unless people have evolved significantly more than I’m aware of, most 16 to 20 year olds that I know anyway, are far from “ready” to marry and form families if the desired outcome is a HAPPY family.
Age is completely irrelevant. It can be considered an asset or a detriment; arguments can be made for or against young marriage and having children. If a young person has come out of a family environment that modeled love and healthy attitudes about sex; sure they could be ready to have a family at a young age. Not likely though, in this society as we see it.
Older people have no real advantage either unless they’re proactive in getting healthy mentally, physically, spiritually. Am I allowed to say the word “spiritual” without having people jump down my throat? Only a love based in spirit has a snowball’s chance in hell of being a truly long lasting love. Even marriages based on love and great sex end up with the sex becoming repetitive and boring if a strong unbreakable bond of spirt is not formed and nurtured. It’s not say to say there aren’t arranged marriages and loveless marriages of convenience or mutual dependency that don’t last “till death do us part”, but who wants that?
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^ Gannon, just because I say “not likely” that anyone in this society is truly healthy enough to create a life long happy family as we imagine it, does not mean one ought not to try to find the exceptions. On the contrary; if that’s what you truly desire, accept no less!!! Being healthy/happy yourself is the best way to attract your heart’s desire. That does not come by osmosis though.
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Hope:
“Uh, who buys porn anymore? I bet even David Alexander downloads his for free.”
Do you ever research stuff before you type or just get everything by natural ‘gut’ feelings and anecdotal experiences? The porn industry is big business- the figures vary from 4 billion to 10 billion:
http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html
Like most of the other female commenters here, you are amusing, to say the least.
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“It’s not the mother’s age that causes the syndrome. It’s just that an older mom has used up more of her good eggs then a younger mom, thus increasing her risk”
Precisely so given the choice why would I expose myself to greater risk?
The risk of having a child with down syndrome increase EXPONENTIALLY after 30. Sure the chances a 25 year old mom will have a down kid is 1 in 1,300 but look at the attached graph.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000815/825.html
I rather hedge my bets.
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146 DF
It’s a free country, but Down’s kids can be fabulous. I know a few because of my work and they can be quite adorable as well as a pain in the ass of course. All kids are demanding and rewarding no matter what you get. If you have the attitude that you’d rather be dead than have a kid with Down’s Syndrome, my advice is get yourself fixed.
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Do you ever research stuff before you type or just get everything by natural ‘gut’ feelings and anecdotal experiences?
calm down bro.
she’s asking a rhetorical question in an attempt to reflect the changing zeitgeist, not trying to summarize the latest statistical abstract.
her point, with which i entirely agree, is as follows: buying porn in this day and age is just stupid – akin to paying for food even though the public sidewalks are lined with buffet tables.
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just yesterday i remarked to a friend, ‘who the hell dials 4-1-1 anymore?’ i wasn’t saying NO market remains for 4-1-1, but, rather, that anyone dialing 4-1-1 in the age of the internet, 800-GOOG411 and their ilk is, to put it kindly, a spendthrift moron. the same principle, mutatis mutandis, applies to porn.
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Do you ever research stuff before you type or just get everything by natural ‘gut’ feelings and anecdotal experiences?
I have another natural “gut” feeling. I bet johnny five gets laid more than you.
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“I bet johnny five gets laid more than you.”
Ohh! The bitch claws come out!
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If I’m pissing her off enough for her to make ad hominem attacks on my sex life, I’m doing it right!
You haven’t provided “conclusive” evidence that johnny five isn’t getting more action than you. My “feeling” is that he is.
And johnny five was right on. I was expressing my incredulity at people who still pay for it.
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Hope, that’s funny because my ‘gut’ feeling is that you’re chubby and the 25 yo girl I’m seeing is hotter than you.
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BTW, Hope, you seem especially interested in my sex life. I tend to prefer White and Latin and haven’t had Asian for some time. But, if you really insist, my dick can meet your ass somtime, and I promise I won’t tell your hubby.
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Although the last time I had Asian, it didn’t fit- I’m honestly not making that up. It really didn’t fit!
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Wow, three comments within 15 minutes. I think my statement hit home.
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You still haven’t taken me up on my offer. My dick is waiting and prevaricating will get you nowhere.
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@crackpot – The reason many women over 35 can not have children is because their reproductive organs were ruined because of unchecked STDs. That is not to say that fertitly does not decrease after a certain age but really who can really afford more than one now days. I think in our society its better to only have one.
Do you really think Jennifer Anniston’s face is better than average? really? really? She looks like any chic in the mall.
As far as Sarah Jessica Parker is concerned, she comes across as very classy on the red carpet and during interviews. I think that is why so many people like her.
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Chic Noir, please look at:
http://yourtotalhealth.ivillage.com/age-female-infertility.html
Quote from site:
“At birth, a woman has all the eggs she will ever have. As an egg ages, it is more likely to develop a chromosomal abnormality. A fertilized egg with abnormal chromosomes is the single most common cause of miscarriage: at least half of all miscarriages are due to abnormal chromosomes.”
Not to pick on you, but a lot of women are sadly misinformed about fertility issues. Some might believe that if they don’t get any STDs they will be as fertile at 36yo as they were at 26yo. That said, you are correct that untreated STDs are another big reason for infertility, but increasing age is a huge reason all by itself.
“Do you really think Jennifer Anniston’s face is better than average? really? really? She looks like any chic in the mall.”
I said better than average, not ultra hot like a porn star, like Jenna Jameson. Also, keep in mind, Aniston’s in her late 30s.
Guys don’t care about class when judging a woman’s looks; we care about that stuff for a serious relationship, of course. Sarah Jessica Parker is a butterface. Any discussion of any other factor when talking about looks is superfluous to the evaluation of that single point.
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Actually I am with you crackpot on about the decrease of fertility in women as they age. I read that starts to decrease at age 28. I personaly don’t get why its so important as along as a woman can push out one.
SJP is loved by women more than men. I think Jennifer Aniston and SJP are on the same level 6.5. I never really thought Jena Jameson was very nice looking(cute yes). Have you seen her lately, she looks as if she developed an eating disorder. I think the link to the French newcaster is an example of a gorgeous woman. Also check out Jessica White, another great beauty.
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“I think Jennifer Aniston and SJP are on the same level 6.5.”
I realy think most guys would strongly prefer Aniston to SJP.
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“I never really thought Jena Jameson was very nice looking(cute yes).”
I understand, but most guys would strongly disagree with you. She’s one of, if not the, most popular porn stars of all time. By most objective criteria, she’s absurdly hot- at least when she was in her pre-anorexic prime.
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anon 1 why?
crackpot – With women, when we look at another woman in terms of beauty, we break her down physically but also look at her personality. Many of us like to or would like to give off a classy sophisticated vibe like SJP or a French woman.
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crackpot was Jena one of the most popular because of the acts she was willing to do or because she was very nice pretty. I think Tara Patrick is one of the most beautiful woman who work in those type of movies(even in the world). Much better looking than Jena Jameson could ever be.
Jacquline Smith is another example of a gorgeous woman in her prime although she is very nice looking even today.
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“With women, when we look at another woman in terms of beauty, we break her down physically but also look at her personality. ”
Guys will initially look at looks and nothing else. If we can get past that, we may look at personality but for guys it has nothing to do with looks and beauty.
“crackpot was Jena one of the most popular because of the acts she was willing to do or because she was very nice pretty.”
Porn is full of women who are willing to do various acts. Jenna was one of a myriad and no different. I’m not sure why one porn star stands out over everyone else when they are all, by and large, doing the same acts. Jenna looked ‘Barbi’ perfect for a lot of guys. Probably, she had a certain aspect of her personality that appealed to guys after they were initially drawn to her looks. But again, personality was only relevant after looks were established. The terms don’t need to be conflated for guys. Tera Patrick is hot, too, btw.
SJP looks like the paragon of a butterface. She might be classy, but to most guys she is a butterface. Class is again distinct from looks. Also, SJP’s looks don’t meet the threshold needed for most guys to get past them and look at her personality. But, I’m judging her by Hollywood standards, which need to be higher than the ‘girl next door’ standards.
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165 crackpot
So who is your favorite jerk off woman?
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to: #47
@DF
“I love how there are all these old mother fuckers (I’m talking to you dudes over 30 worth no more than 20 bucks in your wallet) that think they can get with a teenage girl if it were permissable. Cracka, please”
about me… I am 34, went to the State Penn for a non sex crime, that should have been one. (6 year bid) I was/am a broke playboy. The fact that I have freemasons within my family, was the only thing that kept me from the Statutory Charge/Conviction. The DA droped one indictment, in exchange I pled out on another one.
I am now engaged to the cousin of the “so called victim”
I have parental consent (win)
I have $16.32 in checking, and I need a battery for my Merc Grand Marquis, and a new Chain for my chopper. I shop for threads in my town’s two thrift stores.
What do I have going for me? Genes, intellect and personality, and a bad boy aura. A few choice tats… such as a 2′ Hello Kitty on my pubis.
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