A reader sent me a link to the photo above. You can read more here. His mug says “2 hot 4 you?”.
The beta on display here is so over the top that I want to believe it is calculated. Sadly, I suspect this nerd, like most nerds, really is that uncomfortable touching women. If he were making a six figure salary in the IT industry I doubt that would be enough to end his celibacy. There are some fundamental aspects of attractive masculinity that, if missing, money can’t compensate until you get up in the extreme wealth range. Or lower your standards to the basement (see girl on right — the one he doesn’t have his awkwardly crooked arm around).
Learning game through books, manuals, and workshops gets a bad rap by naturals who think it’s an unteachable skill and by women who recoil at the idea that something so sublime as romance and sexual attraction can be learned like any other subject. But the guy in this picture would benefit from a learning approach that played to his strengths — i.e., a systematic backwardly-engineered flow charted algorithm of how to be a more alluring man to women. Like Mystery Method. Or any of the other pickup schools. Due to genetic constraints on behavior he may never get as good as a natural, but he’ll get good enough to know how to relax when touching a woman, and, if he’s dedicated to improving himself, may actually score with a decent-looking girl. Nothing will blow a nerd’s mind like showing him there’s a whole other world of sensual pleasure out there.
In the big picture, it’s too bad women find nerds creepy and unattractive, because we need nerds more than ever to run the modern technology-based society. If they are bred out of existence it will be everyone’s loss. Imagine a world with no internet porn.
On the other hand, if nerds started getting laid on the regular they might enjoy it so much that they give up spending their waking hours programming software or designing bridges. I wouldn’t blame them.
You talk about his genetic constraints, but honestly, I see someone with the potential to be pretty good looking. He has good features, so you can just give him contacts and a makeover with hair and clothing. Most importantly, he seems skinny so there’s not a lot of fat to lose. I’d just take him to the gym and make him do deadlifts and squats and snatches till he puked. Then I’d kick his ass for good measure. A few months of that combined with a good inner game book and some time in the field and he’d be a player in no time.
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I kind of dig nerds. Especially computer nerds. Does that make me weird?
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No, but I’m guessing you’re in your late 20s or probably out of your 20s altogether and care more about reliability and security than excitement and alphaness at this point in your life. If your 24 or under though, then yeah, you probably are weird.
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That’s a very good point. That’s something that’s hard to teach,which already gives him an advantage.
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Another point for the kid: a relaxed, open shirt at the neck. You can read it either as slovenliness, or as him being comfortable with his own body (if not quite with women’s bodies).
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I’m betting the girl on the right is pretty but doesn’t photograph well – judging by her stance, she doesn’t like to have her picture taken. I can relate.
T., yup, I’m over 30. But I’ve always liked quirky introverts, and those guys tend to be computer nerds.
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He has good features, so you can just give him contacts and a makeover with hair and clothing.
If anyone needs a hair makeover it’s the dude on the left. I mean, is he trying to style his hair to resemble a used floor mop?
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And VK wins the prize…yup, I was a nerd in high school and more of a party girl later on. The guys I met when I was a nerd treated me far better than the guys I met as a party girl, so now I prefer to date nerds. I think I’m happier than the overgrown cheerleaders who go after player/cool guy alpha types.
I think the guy is cute – he has a really friendly smile, which counts for a lot in my book. And he should keep the glasses, I like them.
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I’m betting the girl on the right is pretty but doesn’t photograph well
I’ll take that bet. I am not trying to be mean, but, she ain’t pretty. Not in the picture and not in real life.
But, yeah, she probably doesn’t like having her picture taken.
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The hot chick is definitely smirking and stoked to be the hottest in her circle of nerds.
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theres definitely some between the lines reason for her (hot girl) to be in this picture.
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No one saw the photoshopped version?
http://reddit.com/info/6dyov/comments/
I was a nerd in high school and more of a party girl later on.
I was a nerd in elementary school and been a nerd ever since. I am a professional nerd now, too. My nerdy guy friends and boyfriends (now husband) have always made me even nerdier, introducing me to IRC, hacking, building computers, D&D, science fiction novels, comic books and video games. Web design/coding was all me, though.
I’m betting the girl on the right is pretty but doesn’t photograph well
The girl on the right needs to 1) do something else with her hair 2) wear sluttier clothing and 3) wear some makeup to emphasize her eyes and make her lips look fuller. The girl on the left looks like she has makeup on, and white girls tend to look a lot better with makeup. She also needs to look demurely at the camera, straight on, and smile with the corners of her mouth up, not with her lips pressed together.
Incidentally, I know a tall, pretty blonde “queen of the nerds” girl. All the guys in her circle had crushes on her, and she even dated one of them. Ultimately she married some completely random Asian guy she met online playing Tribes 2. They were playing Guild Wars or World of Warcraft together last I heard. This is proof that queen nerd girls still prefer nerds. Otherwise they wouldn’t hang with them.
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The guy needs to wait about 5 years — he looks like a guy who hasn’t had his burst of testosterone yet (look at his chin, jaw, and his face / body in general). Some guys just mature late. I didn’t develop a more masculine jaw / chin, or benefit from weightlifting, until about 23.
The good thing is that late-bloomers tend to look 5 years younger than their true age, meaning they have a much easier time talking to younger girls.
So that’s my advice to the guy: you have low T right now, so you won’t benefit much from pickup artist stuff. Accomplish shit for 5 years, then give it a try if you show signs of masculinization.
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Poor kid. I’m glad I was an awkward introverted teenager in the days before the internet.
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Heh, I wouldn’t have even pegged the guy as a guy…. very androgynous (hairstyle, glasses, build).
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“doesn’t photograph well” : attractiveness :: “doesn’t test well” : intelligence
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any woman who says that all the warpig needs is better lighting and hair styling is lying to herself or has a completely warped view of what men find physically attractive in women.
Actually, I’m being quite realistic. Makeup artists make a living doing this kid of thing. Economics is the hardest proof that men respond to makeup, written with the logic of monetary exchange.
http://www.makeupbyshawn.com/b-4%20after3.html
http://www.facemaker.ca/page127.html (collection #1-4)
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Hope, the problem with your examples in the links is that while each of them improved, not of them dramatically went from say a 3 to a 9 or anything. The ones that started off ugly just got a little less ugly, the ones that started off cute went to hot. If you dressed up warpig she’d be a strong 5 or weak 6 at best.
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he’s probably hilarious. i think i have seen this individual at every minimal techno party i have ever attended. just staring at the DJ, filled with latent rage, refusing to dance.
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Are we sure the pic isn’t a fake? The kid’s shoulder seems a good four inches higher-up than his arm.
If it is a real photo … Well, at least he’s trying. He does need a lot of coaching and experience, though. I know nothing about “game” or any of that stuff. But some things I am familiar with that Betas and nerds might get a lot out of:
* Acting classes, especially improv. Learn how to be in the moment, and to think and feel on your feet. Plus a bonus: Great way to meet and interact with vivacious (and sex-loving) girls. I defy any male to take two years of acting and not have a lot of adventures.
* Yoga. Classes are roughly 80% female. And even if you don’t meet the girl of your dreams via yoga, it’ll relax you and tone you, and leave you with a lot more tolerance for girlchat about food, feelings, and spiritual things. You’ll be more attractive to girls, and more relaxed about interacting with them on every level.
* Cooking classes. Food is sexy, fun, and physical, and chicks dig a man who knows how to cook and eat. Getting comfy with food-preparation is great training for getting comfy with girls’ bodies: you’re interacting profitably with smells, ickiness, textures, sensuality, etc. And the activity gets the inner juices flowing, if you know what I mean. Plus it’s a great way to meet girls.
* Dance classes. I know dance classes are agony for most hetero American guys, but there’s little that’s better for a klutzy guy. Modern or jazz classes: great physical training, sexy in itself (once you’re over the gayness of it), and a great way to meet attractive girls who are comfy with their bodies. Partner-dance classes: fab and unintimidating training for interacting with girls you don’t know, and for learning how to share touch and rhythm with a partner.
A nice thing about all these activities is that you don’t have to be any good at them, and you never have to become any good at them. It’s the experience that’s everything. A couple of nice discoveries that you make if you go this route: 1) yoga, cooking, etc — it’s kinda fun. 2) Most women in these activities are amazingly sweet and forgiving. They like you just for being there, for taking part, for being interested, and for trying. Experiencing that kind of female warmth and acceptingness is mighty nice in its own right.
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if you think makeup can improve the warpig’s sexual market value to such an extent that she’ll be in competition with the pretty blonde girl.
That’s a pretty far-fetched strawman, since I never said that. I said this is what she needs to do, but I never said that she would be in direct competition with the blonde. She would be able to look decent on her own if she took those steps, however.
unattractive women are deceiving themselves if they think all they need to do is expertly apply makeup and guys will be all over them.
I never said makeup alone is going to make men flock toward a woman who is deemed unattractive. It can, however, be combined with fashion changes (more revealing dresses), facial changes (smiles), attitude changes (less withdrawn, more confident, etc.) and exercise to make a woman more competitive in the sexual market.
Fashion changes, attitude changes, exercise, etc. can make men more attractive to women. Would you disagree with this? If not, then why would you disagree that these would work for women as well?
i am a guy after all and i know better than you what most guys find attractive
The worldwide annual expenditures for cosmetics is around $18 billion USD. The fashion and clothing industries likely make more than that. It’s quite clear that these things do work to fool a lot of men.
You might not be personally fooled, but I suspect that you only see the best presentation of the women you sleep with as well. In the dating stages everyone is faking or hiding something, whether it be appearances, personality, actions, or all of the above.
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“IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO COPY OR POST THIS PICTURE IN ANY WAY.”
What does he think this is, his personal diary?
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“The second level is psychological–of the mind, of the heart. For couples who fall in love and then get married, the experience of sex goes a little deeper than the physical level. Their sex is at the heart level; it reached psychological depth. But because of repetitiveness, this also reverts to the physical level after a while and becomes mechanical.
The institution of marriage that has developed in the West over the last two hundred years takes sex to the psychological level. And that is why the societies of the West are in chaos. The reason for this is that you cannot rely on the mind. Today the mind desires one thing, tomorrow it will ask for something else. It wants one thing in the morning, and something else in the evening. What it feels now will be totally different from what it felt only moments ago.” — Osho ‘Sex Matters”
And now back to our regularly scheduled Glorious Natural Pelt.
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33 Hope
I agree with you and think the “warpig” and the nerd would make a great pair. She just looks introverted and he looks extroverted; they could balance each other out. She could get “made over” the same as him, but deep down they would still hopefully be nerds in all their quirky fun-loving nerdy glory and innocence.
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Blowhard…you know what’s funny about dancing? Like most people in the west, you describe it as gay (“overcoming the gayness of it, etc”) but someone made a great point to me recently. The more betaized a culture becomes, the more dnacing becomes stigmatized and associated with gayness. Look at Saturday Night Fever or black culture like old 70s Soul Train clips and then see if dancing is really gay. In tribal, more primal cultures, dancing is not only sexual but primarily practiced by men and very alpha men at that. In some primal cultures the women are even forbidden to dance without permission. Carribean cultures, eastern cultures, hispanic cultures, any cultures that still cling to old school macho ideals or alpha swagger really place a premium on male dancing. I think all men, especially white western men, should learn to be comfortable dancing if they want to become more alpha.
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T. — Amen to that!
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Hope, I would love to see those before and after pictures with:
1. The same lighting for both before and after. (I mean, damn, the black girl looks black in the before picture and half-black/half-white in the second)
2. Normal before picture. That is, they don’t strip themselves of basic hygeine and cleanliness.
3. Same smile (or non-smile) and head-tilt/angle for both before and after pics.
I bet you the differences would be nice, but minor.
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Are we sure the pic isn’t a fake? The kid’s shoulder seems a good four inches higher-up than his arm.
It does look strange, but most likely it’s an illusion caused by the way his sweater is bunched up.
His arm also seems unusually long. While that could be an indication of a faked picture, it’s also quite possible that he really is long-limbed. He seems to be quite tall, though the way he’s bent forward at the waist de-emphasizes his height (intentionally?) to some extent.
In addition, his silly grin – likely intentional – makes his look dorkier than he probably is.
As for the “warpig” on the right, her main physical flaw is a rather round face. It makes her look overweight even though she actually isn’t. I’m assuming that a better hair style could de-emphasize the roundness of her face and improve her appearance to a considerable extent.
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Clio, you are talking about two different things.
With the glasses, yes, that can make a difference. Especially on the type of glasses worn.
But, with the attitude, you are now talking about approachability. That is, more guys might be approaching because of you attitude, not because they thought you were hotter.
Case in point, Jennifer Aniston was one of the prettier Hollywood stars in her day. But she always had that god damn sourpuss on her face. Whereas most other girls in Hollywood, I am assuming, had a more fun attitude. I mean, how could they not.
I bet the 7.5’s of Hollywood got approached more than the 9.5 that was Jennifer Aniston.
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38 T
“I think all men, especially white western men, should learn to be comfortable dancing if they want to become more alpha.”
Amen to that.
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clio, give it up. the proof is right at the top. How much makeup is the girl on the left wearing? Almost none, some eye liner, maybe some lip-gloss. Shiiiiiit. She even has her hair pulled back, is wearing no revealing clothing except that everything fits tight enough for you to tell, she’s in shape. Come on!
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T, I think that you are off a litle with the dancing. I don’t think it was Beta-ness that killed dancing, but the huge number of engineers, scientists and techs that America produced in the twentieth century.
It is hard to think of the Alphas at Los Alamos or the Manhattan Project dancing the night away after a hard work week.
Also, almost all tradition dancing has structure to it. A lot of structure. Lets not forget that White People in the South used to dance all the time, and I am not just talking about line-dancing. But, it always seemed to have plenty of structure.
Now that dancing is mostly free-form to Justin Timberlake songs, yeah, it does seem a little gay.
Remember, Musicals were not started or, initially, created by Gay Men, but they sure as hell flocked to them. And the same goes for Free Form dancing.
How many Gay Men were interested in the more structured dancing (relative to free-form)?
I ain’t hatin’ on dancing, just sayin’
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that little bit of caked on makeup that barely conceals your crow’s feet is being dissected by men to such a cruel degree that it would send most women crying in their eyeliner smeared kleenex.
I always found that women were worse than men in that respect. Dissecting every little mis-step. Guys tend to be more: “I’d hit it.” or “Nah, NEXT!”
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And now back to our regularly scheduled Glorious Natural Pelt.
Well, since you brought it up …
My reasoned guess is that the girl on the right indeed has a Glorious Natural Pelt. At most, she might have done a little modest trimming that doesn’t change the natural upside-down triangle shape.
As for the girl on the left, while there’s a very slight chance that she has a Landing Strip, I’m 99% sure that she has gone for the full Bald Eagle look :(((
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It’s like the one hot girl on the yearbook committee. She gets to be queen of the nerds with the secret crush on the popular guy.
It hurts me to see the lifetime of anguish in this boy’s future. Hey, quick, hunt him down and take him under your wing..lol
OTOH he may be working on the formula for cold fusion….
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you implied it when you said that white women benefit more from wearing makeup, and pointed out that the girl on the left was made up in contrast to the warpig who was not.
It was a white man (married to a white woman) who said to me that white women benefit more from wearing makeup. I’m merely repeating what he said of his observations of white women he knows with vs. without makeup. I didn’t imply anything by repeating his statement.
you need to learn the concept of implied thought. you seem to have a habit of post hoc dismissing the implications of what you write when you are called out on your dumb assertions.
See above. Don’t be hating on the “dumb assertions” of your fellow white man.
physical beauty is not the critical component for men’s sexual market value like it is for women.
Genetically speaking, a good looking man and a pretty woman will produce better looking children than an ugly man and a pretty woman. This is biological impetus for pretty women to select for attractive men (assortative mating).
Other men on other blogs have pointed out that attractive men are able to get away with more. I won’t repeat their observations here, but suffice it to say that while not a critical component, it certainly counts. You play down the importance of looks for men, but you are being intellectually dishonest because your photos reveal that a great deal of your “game” is in your looks.
you ever listen in on alpha male conversation? it ain’t pretty. that little bit of caked on makeup that barely conceals your crow’s feet is being dissected by men to such a cruel degree that it would send most women crying in their eyeliner smeared kleenex.
I listen in on plenty of male conversation, and the things they say are generally the same. My husband says some very cruel things of women, but he never directs those comments at me. This is why I recommend women keep up their looks, marry someone who genuinely loves them, and not wait until they are older to settle down.
what women can achieve by fashion and attitude adjustments is miniscule in comparison to the value they bring to the table in the form of their genetic beauty blessings.
There are other genetic blessings that are heritable besides bone structure and facial beauty, including but not limited to: intelligence, personality, musical/artistic/logical talents, longevity, and health. Of these, health is only marginally reflected by facial symmetry, while the others can be valuable for a variety of other reasons.
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I don’t know about the Manhattan project, but the Alamo guys in Davy Crockett days the men were big into dancing, particularly barn dances. There’s even a popular folk tale about Davy Crockett that claims he won over his wife by outdancing every other guy at the barn dance. It’s apocryphal and likely untrue, but it shows how valued the ability to dance was even among Alamo alphas. Hell, George Washington was even known as a lover of the minuet and an avid, avid dancer. Women would actually line up to dance with him at parties.
Freeform dancing has always existed along with very formalized dancing. Like Irish jigs, tap dancing, salsa, breakdancing were all considered alpha in their heyday yet they all have freeform elements mixed with the rigid rules.
Honestly, I think gays just gravitated to music and dance mainly because they are the last of the white men in the west who really felt comfortable with expressing their sexuality overtly and publicly. At least until disco came along and made it cool for straight white men to dance again…
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Yes, more nerd talk. Any post about nerds gets tons of hits because nerds own the internet
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54 Widget
” We’re only interested in knowing whether it is your face or soul that is disfigured.”
The soul CANNOT be disfigured.
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Hope:
“The worldwide annual expenditures for cosmetics is around $18 billion USD. The fashion and clothing industries likely make more than that. It’s quite clear that these things do work to fool a lot of men. ”
This could just as much mean women are trying to look better in the eyes of other women. Men really don’t care if Heidi Klum is wearing the latest Prada or Fendi. Her facial bone structure is exquisite. To a lesser degree, the same is true for the blonde chick photographed. Men easily see through the bullsh&t that is called fashion. I’m not kidding- I think the chick on the right is so ugly she should consider never having kids and sparing them a life of being probably ugly themselves- and I’m honestly not trying to be mean spirited when I say this, just sadly realistic. That’s how ugly she is and not all the Gucci clothes or plastic surgery can effectively change her basic facial bone structure she inherited- unfortunately.
On a similar note, does anyone notice how much more diverse the fashion industry is than porn? Go to a site like porneskimo (I think) and see their ranking for the hottest porn stars. 90-95+% are white females (with a majority of blondes at that). The rest are uber- attractive Asians and an ultra rare types other races, like Black or even Indian. The difference is that the fashion industry is controlled by primarily gay men and a few women. The porn industry more directly caters to the American male’s tastes for the type of chick he finds most attractive. It is not politically correct or necessarily nice, but any production house that deviates from this will simply not sell.
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I don’t dispute much of what’s asserted here, and I take it all as partly outrageous for outrageousness’ own sake, as well as for the pure joy of flinging shit in the face of Political Correctness and nicey-nicey lies generally. And cheers to all that.
Still …
Y’all aren’t familiar with SuicideGirls, or with Abby Winters, or with alt-porn generally, are you? It may not be to your taste, but it’s a thriving subset of the porn business. The Abby Winters gang — fresh and “real” (Peter probably loves the Abby Winters gals, bushy as they often are) — was the hit of the last AVN conference. Let me repeat that: At the biggest porno get-together in the world, the wobbly, irregular, and bushy real girls stole the spotlight from the glossy plastic Photoshopped blondes.
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I would not use porn as an example of what straight men are biologicaly programmed to like. Modern porn is just as gay as fashion, just in a different way. Pornstars have that same plastic living barbie look and proportions that trannies have. The swollen collagen lips, the ultra-separated weird breasts, etc…like trannies they are an exaggerated parody of femininity. I notice a lot of late bloomers, ex-geeks and betas love porn star looks. My theory is that they took so long to get women in real life that most of their early exposure to women came from their sisters Barbies and from scrambled or stolen porn, and that formed their tastes in women as an adult. They intellectually learned their tastes in women from media and dolls. Compare the girls that naturals who were getting laid young prefer to the type of women that pickup artists like Mystery (late bloomer) like and you’ll see what I mean. Both may like their women young, blond and skinny, but the ex-nerds gravitate more toward the grotesque modern porn extreme aesthetic.
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I agree with T. The kid does have potential. He looks tall, physically fit, and intelligent. His face is expressive, which protects him from blandness. And he looks like a good guy. What is he, about 19 or 20? Do take him under your wing. His fate is in balance. To save one nerd is to save the whole world.
By the way, I’m curious about your girl-scale benchmark. How do you rate these girls? I’ll say a 9 for the blonde, who has a really cute Reese Witherspoon smile, and a 4-with-potential for the other girl. She’s not fat, and a makeover might give her an extra few points. She’s also appearing intimidated by her hotter friend.
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54 Widget
“candy, if you have any response to this, make it a picture or keep it to yourself.
Hmmm…”make it a picture or keep it to yourself”. Wow. I would never post my picture on a public site like this, not even to achieve your esteemed validation. Hard for you to imagine?
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“I would not use porn as an example of what straight men are biologicaly programmed to like.”
It doesn’t matter if it’s ‘gay’ or what have you. It is what the vast bulk of the American male populace prefers. The porn look may be so rare that few men will ever have access to those women. However, they clearly prefer this look to anything else that is being marketed to them. All of other modifiers of this phenomenom are irrelevant to the certainty of this fact.
BTW, the porn stars of the 70’s had a more ‘natural’ look without heavy breast augmentation or other cosmetic procedures. With the advent of cosmetic medicine, the new ‘Barbi’ doll look has completely supplanted the more traditional look, except in a few notable porn stars, like Jenna Haze or Taylor Rain. But, in all cases like this that I can think of the cosmetically unenhanced women have absurdly beautiful facial bone structures that has offset their lack of artficial upgrades- so far. I suspect even people like Jenna H. and Taylor will likely get stuff like artificial breasts eventually. All in all, when given the choice, men in America prefer the white ‘Barbi’ doll look to fullfill their lustful fantasies.
Whether they would go for this for the long term relationship is another matter entirely and not what I am talking about in this comment.
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Shannon,
What you fail to mention to T is that you to are a nerd (gifted program) so you’ve always been surrounded by them, there for have a natural attraction to them out of comfort. If you grew up cheerleading, sorrority, blah blah blah like 80% of girls in the US you wouldn’t touch dude with a 10ft pole.
You are right, naturals do hate on the pick up schools because the nerds there have broken down what they do to a science and proven any guy can play to his strengths and get a cute girl. It’s like you bastards let the cat out of the bag
Fuck
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Is it representative of what a vast bulk of the American male populace prefers of representative of what a vast bulk of hardcore porn fans prefer? Big difference. The look is only a recent phenomenon that came about because of the video revolution in the 90s and Vivid Video specifically. A good book called Oral History of Pornography goes into this pretty well.
Besides, look at Michael Blowhard’s comment before mine. It seems that it’s not as widespread a preference as you seem to think based on recent successes of alt-porn.
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Anyone want to assign guesstimated bhavior type ( alpha, beta, gamma? ) to all the other people in the picture? From left to right? Readers?
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It is what the vast bulk of the American male populace prefers.
European men have different tastes in their porn — their porn stars are less tranny-like and more elegant/refined. So it is at least partially a matter of sexual imprinting and conditioning. In this I believe makeup played a role as well, because you won’t ever see a porn star “look” that does not involve makeup.
chicks really love fashion, make up, hair-do’s- the works.
I dare say that this is evolutionarily adaptive behavior. When I was 3 years old — yes you read that correctly — until the time I was 11 or 12, I was obsessed with having lipstick, pretty dresses, sparkling jewelry, etc. I simply could not have enough of it.
Suffice it to say that the culture I grew up in (1980s China) did not have a lot of advertising. It was merely that any time I saw these things I was instinctively drawn toward them. So while chicks may really love fashion and makeup for themselves, this may be simply behavior that got men more attracted to them, and left such predisposition to “dolling up” a more successful genetic trait.
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A good book called Oral History of Pornography
Heh.
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I dare say that this is evolutionarily adaptive behavior.
That makes sense. We know we must look pretty for the boys. But like, somehow it’s programmed really well. Women just love pretty things, too. Pretty nails (men do not care about our nail color), pretty shoes, pretty dresses, pretty bags, pretty sheets, pretty jewelry, pretty china, etc. In my mind, this is all programmed as one cohesive- PRETTY. If instead it was a reward mechanism, it would feel horrible.
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Am I the only mother on this site? If so, I think that would explain my very different viewpoint at times.
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candy cane,
I love the way you respond to posts multiple times. It’s fun to see how you submit a lame response then come back minutes later because you’re so proud of yourself for coming up with a real crusher.
The unfortunate thing is that it just comes off as lame and dim-witted. You’re obviously a little slow upstairs, but don’t have the patience to think it through before getting your next fix of male attention.
I’d love to have an argument in person and watch you stutter and spit all over yourself.
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Not The Alamo…but Los Alomos. Where all of the scientists were/are.
And, I am not sure about Davy Crockett, but I know that the type of dancing that GW did was very structured.
yet they all have freeform elements mixed with the rigid rules.
Exactly.
Nowadays, popular dancing has basically zero structure.
And, remember, back when Disco made its way onto the scene (that is, popular with the masses), most people seemed to enjoy the “named” dances. The dances that you could actually learn the steps to.
Today, dancing is mainly a vehicle to show off your body. A heavy girl, even with a tremendous sense of rhythm, would look weird out on the dance floor of some popular night club.
Honestly, I think gays just gravitated to music and dance mainly because they are the last of the white men in the west who really felt comfortable with expressing their sexuality overtly and publicly.
Gay Men and Women, dancing, have something in common: They are displaying their bodies, and rhythm, to men.
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75 Widget
“It’s fun to see how you submit a lame response then come back minutes later because you’re so proud of yourself for coming up with a real crusher.”
That’s exactly what you are doing! Sorry it hasn’t crushed me either. Keep trying. 🙂
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Rina:
“make up is a lot more for the aging beauty than it is for the young ugly. most beauty products are aimed at the older lady who tries to stay young looking. most make up used by young women is mostly done for the young woman, rather than to attract men.”
I totally, 100% agree with this, too. You’re on a roll, Rina.
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European men have different tastes in their porn — their porn stars are less tranny-like and more elegant/refined.
I’ve never liked much of the European porn. The women aren’t ugly, but they’re lacking the features that the American portn stars provide. They’re too modelesque and de sexualized without the slutty clothes, fake tits, stripper heels, and long fake nails.
the new ‘Barbi’ doll look has completely supplanted the more traditional look, except in a few notable porn stars, like Jenna Haze or Taylor Rain.
If you’re looking for the natural look, it’s generally found at so-called teen sites where the girls are “fresh” and have a youthful, cute appearance with no fake tits and very little makeup.
Whether they would go for this for the long term relationship is another matter entirely and not what I am talking about in this comment.
I would kill for such a woman in a long-term relationship. Until then, porn will fill that black hole.
Is it representative of what a vast bulk of the American male populace prefers of representative of what a vast bulk of hardcore porn fans prefer?
You may have a point. Many raincoaters (porn enthusiasts) like to point out the difference between porn made by a studio like Vivid for commoners, and stuff produced by Evil Angel for raincoaters.
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candy cane
Sorry, but I’ve only been responding once to each of your posts. You’ve routinely responded to single posts multiple times.
Maybe it’s your individual personalities taking turns? Is the medication not helping?
My heart goes out to your parents. It must have been difficult for them to cope with the discovery of your mental disabilities.
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Men really don’t care if Heidi Klum is wearing the latest Prada or Fendi. Her facial bone structure is exquisite.
I’m not sure if Heidi is wearing Prada in these photos, but she is not wearing makeup. I know these have bad lighting, bad angles, weird facial expressions, etc. But I’m curious of the present company’s opinion on these photos of her.
the makeup comes off at some point and people see what you really look like.
Very true and undisputed. But in the initial stages of attraction putting that best face forward can make or break chance for love. That initial impression is important to pull someone in to find out more (one of the principles of print/web/media design). When the masks come off, brain chemistry takes its place so that lovers view each other through rose-colored goggles.
Admittedly, I am really not the biggest advocate of makeup. I think heavy make up use messes up people’s skins, because skin are living cells and shouldn’t be exposed to too many chemicals. I haven’t worn makeup since I hit puberty because of any kind of foundation or powder feels really gross to me after a few minutes, and I have the the uncontrollable urge to lick my lips too often.
I do wear nail polish for my husband, though. David Alexander, maybe it would comfort you to know that quite a few men out there have nail and black knee-high boots fetishes.
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82 Widget
That was so clever…I mean about my parents and the mental disabilities. You’re a genius.
“You’ve routinely responded to single posts multiple times.”
Wonders never cease.
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War Pig is as good a reason as any to why we need a voluntary eugenics movement ASAP. No kid should have to suffer with that disgusting facial structure, and I’m honestly not trying to be mean- spirited when I say this.
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The girl on the left looks like she has makeup on, and white girls tend to look a lot better with makeup.
makeup has nothing to do with the looks disparity between the two girls. the girl on the left simply possesses much more attractive facial structure than the warpig on the right. any woman who says that all the warpig needs is better lighting and hair styling is lying to herself or has a completely warped view of what men find physically attractive in women.
i’d rate the left girl an 8 and the right girl a 2.5.
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“…women are deceiving themselves if they think all they need to do is expertly apply makeup and guys will be all over them..”
Yeah, just be really REALLY good at performing oral sex and no one will care what you look like.
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While I did not take the time to read all of these comments, I thought I’d throw my two cents in. I think this guy has alot of potential. He has a nice smile, and nice features, and it seems to me like he is just being goofy and having fun. Yes, he is a little nerdy, but he could easily transition into the nerdy hipster look and pull it off. Basically all he needs is to bulk up more and improve his clothes and haircut.
This is the type of guy that is not attractive to women when he is young, but will be in hot demand when he is in his late 20s and early 30s if he is successful and can polish his look a bit.
I had a similar experience to Shannon with regards to guys treating her better when she was a nerd– right after I graduated from college five years ago I lost (and kept off =) ) 10 lbs , which is alot for me because I am not tall. I immediately started attracting way more guys, many of them being ass holes. The guys I attracted when I was heavier definitely treated me better.
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As hard as I tried to find something offensive in your post; alas I’ve failed. That was almost genteel. I’m truly shocked.
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Hey, put this version up:
Cracked me up.
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hope you are out to lunch if you think makeup can improve the warpig’s sexual market value to such an extent that she’ll be in competition with the pretty blonde girl. in my experience (and whose opinion should people trust more? mine, or yours? i am a guy after all and i know better than you what most guys find attractive) makeup and nice lighting will add a MAXIMUM of 1 point to a woman’s looks. i have been around and have yet to meet a woman who was able to misrepresent herself more than 1 point on the looks scale with makeup.
those pics you posted aren’t that impressive, and the difference in the before and afters isn’t that great once you remember that the most unflattering before pics were chosen for contrast. in fact, none of those women look that much better in the after pics, except for the few genuinely pretty women with attractive facial bone structure who looked good in the before pics as well. and don’t forget, that flattering lighting isn’t going to follow them around town all day.
unattractive women are deceiving themselves if they think all they need to do is expertly apply makeup and guys will be all over them. sorry, men have evolved to quickly identify fakers. and in extreme cases where we are duped, there’s always the morning after to lay to rest the deception.
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As hard as I tried to find something offensive in your post; alas I’ve failed. That was almost genteel. I’m truly shocked.
that’s because i mocked a guy. once i turn my firepower on loser women you’ll be back to getting your granny panties in a bunch.
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You’ll never be convinced about this one, I know. I suppose you would have to be a woman who, like me, has been perceived as both a beauty (at least by some men, including alpha-dominant types) and as plain as a mud-fence, in order to believe the difference that hair, makeup, clothes – and in my case, above all, attitude – can make. (I’m speaking of the days of my youth here, of course.) In my case the big change in male attention levels came with ditching my glasses, but even that didn’t make as much of a difference as starting to be more animated and friendly when I was out in public.
And even when I was as old as 40 I occasionally won in the male attention sweepstakes against younger, pretty women. Perhaps these men would only have “pumped and dumped” because of my age, if I’d given them the chance – but I didn’t. Anyway, the point is that age isn’t an absolute determinant here, either.
I feel ridiculous saying things like this in a public forum, even anonymously, but I can’t let men and women who read this site believe that beauty is quite as simple as you make it out to be.
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83, HOPE
stop fucking playing that is not Heidi Klum!!!!! You got pictures of Charlize Theron in that movie Monster. You’re funny… ewwwwwwwwwwwww
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Ok, the woman on the right in the jean jacket is the plainer of the two, but she’s no out-and-out pig. My gut response was that, like others have said, she either doesn’t photograph well or just flat out needs a makeover. And maybe a tight sweater just like the chick on the left.
The one on the right wouldn’t be my first choice, but I probably wouldn’t mind being stuck with her.
Just like with a lot of these found photos, I wonder if they know they’re being dissected like this. I’ll bet the guy on the extreme right is happy that he got cropped from the picture altogether.
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editor:
“that’s because i mocked a guy. once i turn my firepower on loser women you’ll be back to getting your granny panties in a bunch.”
I gave up the grannie’s. Hmmmm.. perhaps I need to take another look at this post. I know, I’ll find some Osho for you.
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re:Heidi Klum
Hope, there used to be a great site called: http://www.femininebeauty.info. And in it, he railed against many of these fashion models. Saying that most of them appealed more to Gay Men than Straight Men, mainly because they had no hips and often flat asses. Also, he thought that many of the women had too much Testosterone being displayed in their facial features.
The site is down now, but he had a lot of interesting photos.
One thing is for sure though, many of those fashion models do not have the hips that many Playboy models have.
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I suppose you would have to be a woman who, like me, has been perceived as both a beauty (at least by some men, including alpha-dominant types) and as plain as a mud-fence, in order to believe the difference that hair, makeup, clothes – and in my case, above all, attitude – can make.
your perception of your innate beauty was being influenced by the fact that men react differently to a woman when she is wearing makeup. a made-up woman in high heels and a slinky dress incites a more aggressive flirting mechanism in men, because they see her, justifiably more often than not, as a women on the prowl for a mate. a cute girl without makeup won’t incite the same flirtatious response because she is, paradoxically, more intimidating to men in that she projects an air of unavailability. that does not mean that men don’t find her attractive, it just means they won’t show their approval of her beauty as aggressively.
In my case the big change in male attention levels came with ditching my glasses, but even that didn’t make as much of a difference as starting to be more animated and friendly when I was out in public.
glasses aren’t the beauty-killer a lot of women think they are. a cute chick in contacts will be just as cute in glasses. again, it’s all about the underlying facial bone structure. if you perceived an increase in attention it probably had to do with the aura of approachability that ditching the glasses gave you.
and of course being friendlier in public will garner you more male attention. this has nothing to do with your innate beauty. men, being expert at navigating the path of least resistance to sex, will naturally try their hand at an outgoing 7 instead of a cold, recalcitrant 8. but if the 8 were to be friendlier, the 7 would suddenly find herself in stiffer (heh) competition.
Perhaps these men would only have “pumped and dumped” because of my age, if I’d given them the chance – but I didn’t.
smart move. trust your instincts.
Anyway, the point is that age isn’t an absolute determinant here, either.
nothing is absolute, but the trends are unmistakable.
but I can’t let men and women who read this site believe that beauty is quite as simple as you make it out to be.
get used to it. sorry, clio, the facts of female beauty really are that simple. you’re either born with a genetically blessed face, or you are not. and pissing around on the margins with makeup and clothes won’t improve your lot by much.
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The girl on the far left wearing the brown shirt looks funny
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That’s a pretty far-fetched strawman, since I never said that. I said this is what she needs to do, but I never said that she would be in direct competition with the blonde.
you implied it when you said that white women benefit more from wearing makeup, and pointed out that the girl on the left was made up in contrast to the warpig who was not.
you need to learn the concept of implied thought. you seem to have a habit of post hoc dismissing the implications of what you write when you are called out on your dumb assertions.
to wit: the warpig is a 2.5, and won’t go higher than a 3 with better clothes, a smile, and makeup.
She [warpig] would be able to look decent on her own if she took those steps, however.
no, she really wouldn’t. you don’t know what you’re talking about. but keep on keeping on with that sisterhood pep talk!
Fashion changes, attitude changes, exercise, etc. can make men more attractive to women. Would you disagree with this?
no. but not for the reasons you assume. physical beauty is not the critical component for men’s sexual market value like it is for women.
If not, then why would you disagree that these would work for women as well?
what women can achieve by fashion and attitude adjustments is miniscule in comparison to the value they bring to the table in the form of their genetic beauty blessings.
The fashion and clothing industries likely make more than that. It’s quite clear that these things do work to fool a lot of men.
i never said they don’t work at all, just that the amount they help a woman’s cause is much smaller than believed by the consumers of the multi-billion dollar cosmetics industry. but hey, any little bit helps.
and remember, the alpha males women want are most adept at sniffing out fakers owing to their experience dating and fucking lots of naturally beautiful women. you may be able to get one by a beta but an alpha is more discerning. you ever listen in on alpha male conversation? it ain’t pretty. that little bit of caked on makeup that barely conceals your crow’s feet is being dissected by men to such a cruel degree that it would send most women crying in their eyeliner smeared kleenex.
You might not be personally fooled, but I suspect that you only see the best presentation of the women you sleep with as well.
that’s a given. everyone presents their best face in the beginning of courtship. but any woman who manages to dupe a male much higher than her in market value with makeup and fashion will soon learn that the morning after is the unkindest cut of all.
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#37, I’m sure you’re partly right – I mean, I did/do have good bone structure. But my point is that behind a certain facade of bad attitude and schlumpy presentation, men won’t notice good bone structure much. And my perception of my appeal wasn’t merely subjective – I’m going by things that boys/men actually said to me, or said in my hearing, about my ugliness, and later about my supposed beauty. Though I never really trust that sort of compliment – a man once told me that “you’re beautiful” is a polite way of saying “take your clothes off” – though in some contexts this probably wasn’t what they meant.
And I’ve known many other women who’ve had that same experience. The girl in the photo isn’t a beauty, but she could be cute – her face is too round, but her features are all in good proportion to each other – her nose is big but not blobby or crooked, and her hair is a beautiful (and natural) auburn.
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“that little bit of caked on makeup that barely conceals your crow’s feet is being dissected by men to such a cruel degree that it would send most women crying in their eyeliner smeared kleenex.”
So the prize winning alpha then ends up with what?–if that is his life long goal; to fuck only line-less nubile women. An impossible standard that even they cannot achieve. Look at men like Jack Nicholson and Hugh Hefner; especially Hefner. He’s just infantile but now has his own “reality” show. It’s what his life has become; a made-for-TV joke.
A man who is incapable of looking one iota (line) beyond the physical appearance of a woman is suffering from terminal arrested development. Hugh Hefner and Jack Nicholson, to use two very famous examples, are not beautiful old men. They are just plain ugly regardless of how supposedly beautiful the women are who they fuck. A beautiful old man is as rare as a pink diamond. Yet, they exist, because they have explored the deepest depths of sexual experience and no longer lust after women young enough to be their daughter’s best friend.
O.K. So now you’re going to say I’m jealous, right? Like I would even WANT to fuck some puerile Alpha loser? Losers come in all shapes and sizes and some are living the American Dream life as seen on TV.
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Makeup only goes so far and I have to agree with her here: the makeup comes off at some point and people see what you really look like. Of course, this holds the same with wonderbras, spanx, and corsets–the real you will always emerge as the whole point is to get naked. The only way we can truly control how we look is by hitting the gym and laying off the nachos; other than that, we have to deal with the hand we were dealt.
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But my point is that behind a certain facade of bad attitude and schlumpy presentation, men won’t notice good bone structure much.
a naturally beautiful woman would have to work hard at schlumping herself out to sufficiently hide her beauty from men, but, yes, i’ve seen this happen. severe slouching, hair in the face, frowning, poorly applied makeup, and wearing bulky sweaters that hide her figure are usually required.
which brings up another point: bad makeup will do a lot worse for a woman than good makeup will help her.
And my perception of my appeal wasn’t merely subjective – I’m going by things that boys/men actually said to me, or said in my hearing, about my ugliness, and later about my supposed beauty.
if you were attractive to the majority of men then the smart play is to take everything they say regarding your sexual market value with a grain of salt.
The girl in the photo isn’t a beauty, but she could be cute – her face is too round, but her features are all in good proportion to each other – her nose is big but not blobby or crooked, and her hair is a beautiful (and natural) auburn.
women like yourself are much more forgiving in their assessments of other girls’ attractiveness. it’s a defense mechanism — a sisterhood posturing of optimism — that isn’t justified by the facts. said facts being how attractive the girl is in reality to MEN.
the warpig can never be cute. it’s not that she isn’t a beauty; it’s that she isn’t even in the running. taken together — bulbous face, small closely spaced eyes, bad skin texture, big nose, thin lips, prominent jawline — she qualifies as ugly and no amount of tinkering with makeup or hair style will bump her into the “cute” range.
these are the ugly truths women have the hardest time accepting.
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As predicted, he takes a shot at women and candy cane is lashing out.
Clearly, candy cane hates to contemplate that men evaluate women because she usually comes out on the losing end of those considerations. (Alternatively, she’s got intense psychological issues that make her feel like she should be rejected even if she looks good.)
candy, if you have any response to this, make it a picture or keep it to yourself. We’re only interested in knowing whether it is your face or soul that is disfigured.
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i call it like it is. you want polite, go outside and yak it up with your neighbors.
There was no reason for you to be a douchebag and call this woman a warpid when she’s done nothing wrong to you except to exist in a photo. I don’t care that defending this unattractive women isn’t a free ticket to sex, but I certainly can’t let you rag on this woman in such a fashion. Obviously she isn’t attractive, but to call her a warpig just sinks to a lower level of thinking and decency.
you are attracted to ugly tranny-looking pornstars.
They have a raw sexual appearance that most women simply don’t provide. The cute teenagers that Gannon goes gaga over are simply lacking in that appeal, hence why I don’t sympathize with his views. Hell, the my friendly 18 year old female co-worker is cute and certainly not ugly, but she arouses no sexual appeal with me with her innocent look, nor do her B cups arouse any sexual interest in me.
you have slept with a woman once in your whole life.
Yup, and no other women have showed any interest in replicating the act. I don’t blame them either.
you claim to not get sexually aroused by women unless they are in clown face makeup, miniskirts, and high heels.
For me, that’s a sign of intent for sex. Otherwise, you fall under the female friends category.
you’ve got a problem with older guys desiring younger girls to the point that you become apopletic at the thought of another man sexually fulfilling himself with a pretty young thing.
I don’t see what’s so interesting about girls at that age. Hell, even the 17-20 year olds that I meet at college aren’t worth the time of day. The only reason men like young girls is because they’re naive and have no way of discerning between good men and bad men. Any decent looking older guy with a car and some disposable income and charm can attract a younger woman. It’s certainly much easier than attempting to court a woman of their own age. Since I refuse to pander and bait younger women, and I lack the financial and social status to attract women of my own age, I stay alone and refrain from bothering women.
you insist masturbation is preferable to sex with a cute chick who doesn’t look slutty enough for your deviant tastes
Porn gives the erection that these cute women are not providing. In effect, I’ve replaced women with porn, and I’d imagine that many other males have done so as well, but not as openly as I have.
My stated preferences may be slightly exaggerated, but I’d say that I only find a certain subset of women that you described as sexually attractive. Yes, there are a few women at work that I’ve found attractive, but they’re DD cup women with large asses, high heels, somewhat sexually suggestive clothing, nails, and makeup. Otherwise, either I default to the chubby white girls that I view as “cuddlebitches” but sexless, or other women who are at differing degrees of beauty, but sexually dead for me.
DA, have you considered you might have serious psychological problems?
It’s highly likely…
Once one has watched hours and hours of porn and read blog post galore about women’s disinterest in sex and attraction to alpha males, why should I waste my time embarrassing myself and revealing my own personal failures and bizzare tastes (Celine Dion music in French, railfanning, or a general lack of movie watching) in a pointless attempt to present myself as an attractive sex partner in exchange for a faked orgasm and some useless B cup boytits. I’d rather keep my money in my wallet and go loot some porn for free, and get women who effectively perform worship of the male sex organs. There is no woman in the real world who can replicate a porn star, and there is no woman in the world willing to do so for a beta male. Given the choice between awful sex and porn, you can obviously guess my answer, and my solution is considerably cheaper than your solution.
Game as presented by Roosh and yourself are for normal men with normal tastes in women with few flaws, and relative ease of socialization. For those with social phobias, aspergers, or porn addiction, then there is no solution except for porn.
I’ll also add this link to a recent blog post that was heavily edited from the original written manuscript since allegedly, the victim in question is reading my blog. Interestingly, she wants me to go out with her and her friends to drunken guido-ridden prole in Manhattan or Long Island bars to go meet women since she claims that I’m too introverted, and that I won’t meet women sitting at home in a computer. Like a paranoid maniac, I declined fearing that associating with her outside of work will lead to trouble…
seek help.
I’m uninsured…
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You play down the importance of looks for men, but you are being intellectually dishonest because your photos reveal that a great deal of your “game” is in your looks.
hope, my notch count quintupled in both quantity and quality when i learned game, while my looks stayed the same.
lesson: looks help men, but without game they are a wasted resource. but on women, looks are never a wasted resource.
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“these are the ugly truths women have the hardest accepting.”
You fail to fully realize that some of the most miserable human beings on the planet are ravishingly beautiful women. Gee, I wonder why fucking all those prize winning alpha’s has not made them happy? Any ideas on that? It seems actually the reverse has happened to them. Go figger.
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make up is a lot more for the aging beauty than it is for the young ugly. most beauty products are aimed at the older lady who tries to stay young looking. most make up used by young women is mostly done for the young woman, rather than to attract men. chicks really love fashion, make up, hair-do’s- the works.
with that said, it’s kind of silly to say it’s nearly inconsequential. unless a woman is an attention whore for life, her aim is mostly to fall in love with ONE, read ONE, guy. if make up helps you snag him, even if it doesn’t work to quadruple the attention you receive, then that’s all that matters.
just because your numbers quadrupled or quintupled after learning the game, doesn’t mean everyone’s do. chicks dig hot guys. period. facial bone structure, body build, the works. a man who has that has to work a lot less had to develop ‘charm’. and male beauty doesn’t go away either if you slip into betamode (like when you’re delirious from oxytocin- don’t deny it!). The guy is still hot, while the simple charmer loses a lot of his manly charm.
You are a salesman for game, so I don’t expect you to admit any of this.
xoxo
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I say we put together a collection in order to send David Alexander and Candy Cane on a couple of dates together. I’d love to see what happens.
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None of the Suicide Girls or girls on Abby Winters look like that ugly girl in the pic. They’re all in shape, have cute or normal faces (none have ugly faces), etc. That girl in the pic looks like a freakin’ guy… like, a Randy Couture, Neanderthal skull guy.
The only way we can truly control how we look is by hitting the gym and laying off the nachos; other than that, we have to deal with the hand we were dealt.
I don’t think Lemmonex is foreign, so this just goes to show that girls who have a more masculine or guy way of thinking and behaving in general are more likely to get the truth. Less likely to heap on the self-delusion.
The handful of girls like Lemmonex who I’ve known fit this “clear-headed and tough-minded” profile too.
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hope, my notch count quintupled in both quantity and quality when i learned game, while my looks stayed the same.
This is unrelated, but it would be interesting to read a post about when and how you started. I know you tend to avoid personal confession-style blogging — and thank God for that considering the quality of the average blog of that type — but it might make for an illuminating topic.
And the girl on the right is, unfortunately, irredeemably ugly. She might be a great person otherwise, but that’s just a sad fact of life. I feel bad for her.
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You are so harsh. It’s O.K. that you don’t want to fuck her, that is your right. It’s O.K. that you use looks as a personal criteria for determining fuckability, but, but why do you need to call her a “war pig” based on her looks? She is a human being. Who knows, she may even see this post. Personally, I try really hard to not say anything about a person I would not say to their face and that includes you.
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Furthermore, if being a “war pig” means there is zero chance of being fucked by you, she is better off. BTW, do your numerous love interests visit your site, or do you have to hide it from them?
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Not gonna go through all the comments again, but I’m pretty sure no one here claimed that warpig was on par with a suicide girl or abby winters chick.
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Yeah, Heidi has looked better. But that’s life. Most of us have or had our glory day. She managed to snag herself a housedaddy and good for her. That’s exactly what beauty is programmed to do. So now she can retire from being one of the most beautiful women in the world and move onto the rest of her life. With several kids and a huge bank account.
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I await news of Seal cheating on her with somebody better looking.
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I’d love to see what happens.
I return complaining about her lack of a sexual appearance, and my lack of an erection while maintaining a conversation about how the masturbation that night was better and cheaper than the date.
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“Women just love pretty things, too. Pretty nails (men do not care about our nail color), pretty shoes, pretty dresses, pretty bags, pretty sheets, pretty jewelry, pretty china, etc.”
This is what I am talking about when I suggest that the cosmetic industry and fashion caters more to having women look better in the eyes of other women than men. Men care a lot less about these ‘enhancers’ than women do. I think that by getting the best clothes and wearing the best make- up, women are trying to one- up other women- even though it is largely irrelevant past a certain point for men- in terms of sexual attraction.
Like every other man who has commented on this subject on this thread and unsurprisingly unlike so many of the women commenters, I agree with him when he says that make-up & clothes will only help to a very limited degree in enhancing female appearance to men.
Like I also said, anything a woman does beyond that is likely to improve her self-worth & standing among other women.
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I await news of Seal cheating on her with somebody better looking.
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women in porn are a better barometer of what turns men on than is the fashion industry because porn goes straight to the crotch of the matter — the boner doesn’t lie.
michael blowhard:
Acting classes, especially improv.
your suggestions are excellent, and in fact i have hooked up through various artsy fartsy classes. dancing is a great addition to any player’s arsenal but what do you say to those guys who have no natural rhythm? let’s face it, much of rhythm is inherited and all the struggling in dance classes won’t ever make a non-natural look natural. this inheritance probably varies by ethnicity. the reason so many more latin guys woo ladies with dance is probably because — shocker! — they possess innate rhythm and benefit more from utilizing it than, say, your average whitebread northern euro.
though the russian girls i have known were all exceptional dancers.
sara:
BTW, do your numerous love interests visit your site, or do you have to hide it from them?
you’d be surprised.
rina:
just because your numbers quadrupled or quintupled after learning the game, doesn’t mean everyone’s do.
i’m not the only testimonial.
but my numbers are what they are. there can be no reason for the rise other than my improved game.
looks clearly help a guy but since a man’s attractiveness to women is multifactorial a bad hand dealt in the looks department is not the deal-killer for a man like it would be for a woman. that is where game steps in. it gives a man a shot at attracting a higher quality woman than he normally would by relying solely on his looks.
remember the formula:
guys dig beauty.
chicks dig power.
the rest is commentary.
But like, somehow it’s programmed really well. Women just love pretty things, too.
this is analogous to men’s love of beating the competition. it just feels really good to us to succeed at something not because we are thinking all along that it will help us get laid (although that’s part of it) but because we are programmed to enjoy it. but our genes are sneaky little shits and the good feelings from status whoring work to improve our chances of procreating with a high value girl.
DA:
I’d suspect that as a nerd, he may have a huge porn collection that has damaged any ability to be aroused by a normal woman, and he penis can only respond to porn-induced masturbation.
spoken like a de facto virgin.
DA, have you considered you might have serious psychological problems? what do we know about you:
you are attracted to ugly tranny-looking pornstars.
you have slept with a woman once in your whole life.
you claim to not get sexually aroused by women unless they are in clown face makeup, miniskirts, and high heels.
you’ve got a problem with older guys desiring younger girls to the point that you become apopletic at the thought of another man sexually fulfilling himself with a pretty young thing.
you insist masturbation is preferable to sex with a cute chick who doesn’t look slutty enough for your deviant tastes.
my guess is either you are lying about your stated preferences or you are suffering an extended delusional psychotic episode of sour grapes, where everything you secretly desire is not good enough for you and your fear at initiating a romance with a woman is so crippling that you have convinced yourself that masturbation feels better than sex with a reasonably attractive woman, which on its face is fucking absurd as any man who has actually had sexual intercourse will tell you.
or you may just be one fucked up weirdo, in which case what you say has very little bearing on any discussion involving sex and love.
BTW, I would suspect that his timidness is from being told by girls like her to go fuck off whenever they touch her.
his timidity is just as likely to be the cause of women telling him to fuck off as the symptom.
Wow, you’re really bitter today. She may be unattractive, but I see no need to call her a war pig.
i call it like it is. you want polite, go outside and yak it up with your neighbors.
btw, i’ve mentioned this before to you, but your sissified white knighting for women you’ve never met and who wouldn’t shed a tear if you died tomorrow isn’t going to help you get laid, so you may as well butch up and start acting like a man whose testicles descended and sprouted fuzz. there is nothing more revolting than a mewling little turdboy shitting his bloomers cause some big bad ol meany called an ugly girl a warpig.
There’s no morning after with porn!
seek help.
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But I’m curious of the present company’s opinion on these photos of her.
i looked at those pics. i’d say an au naturel heidi still looks pretty damn good compared to the average 34 year old woman dressed to the nines. but like rina mentioned, makeup works better as an aid for older women to look younger than it does as a beauty enhancer for young women.
in the harsh outdoor lighting where these pics were taken, heidi really shows her 34 years of age and post-pregnancies.
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re: epithets like “warpig”….
Why is that necessary? If, as you claim, female appeal is entirely determined by genetics and there’s really nothing a plain-to-ugly woman can do to improve her lot however hard she’s willing to try, then aren’t those losers of the genetic lottery already suffering enough without ladling on the disdain and bitchy names? According to you, men everywhere will shun her like the plague and she’s doomed to a miserable, lonely, pathetic life for reasons entirely beyond her control — is that not punishment enough?
Do you kick the crutches out from under cripples, too?
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“Anyone want to assign guesstimated bhavior type ( alpha, beta, gamma? ) to all the other people in the picture? From left to right? Readers?”
I didn’t do a left-to-right, I just did ‘um in the order they came to mind:
Ms. Queen Of The Tight Sweaters, second from the left, probably doesn’t have any trouble attracting who she wants. She probably wouldn’t tell “Bill Gates” (the name I’ve given the guy with the glasses) to fuck off, though; she’d likely let him hang around the Friend Zone for a little while. You know, when Mr. Alpha breaks her heart, she’ll come crying straight to “Bill Gates.” But she won’t give him a piece.
The lady on the right in the denim jacket can’t compete with the woman on the left, but she probably does all right. Camera just caught her on a bad night.
The two guys who actually made it into the camera frame? They remind me of the three dudes from the movie SUPERBAD. Uber nerds that might not be gettin’ it NOW, but give ’em a few years and a few rejections and a few mistakes to learn from and their dry spell will soon be history…
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War Pig is as good a reason as any to why we need a voluntary eugenics movement ASAP. No kid should have to suffer with that disgusting facial structure, and I’m honestly not trying to be mean- spirited when I say this.
I think the only suffering she’s enduring is by having someone place her photo on a website like this without her permission. Otherwise, I think she’s fine. She may not get hit on by PUAs on a regular basis, but I doubt anyone is taunting her or making her feel bad. She’s probably well-adjusted.
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Wow. You fed right into giving DA an excuse to bore us with a self-indulgent pity party about how screwed up he is.
People like this save up all their emotion and grief for brief encounters like this and then try to pour it all out at inappropriate times in the vain hope that someone will reach out to them through the poison they spew.
It’s a mechanism by which you can make others prove themselves really interested in you by being willing to wade through the pessimistic sludge.
But don’t fault him, he’s periodically convinced of what he says.
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“It’s unfortunate so many hot women can act like bitches and prefer assholes.”
So your shallowness begets theirs, yet the so-called warpigs are the ones who deserve humiliation?! Sheesh.
Way to lead the pack, alphas.
“It’s arrogance itself to assume that she is less fortunate than anyone posting a comment on this blog site when you consider her life as a whole.”
I was not discussing her life as a whole, nor would I presume to. I was addressing the majority opinion that she (judging solely by the picture accompanying this post,) objectively-speaking, is not as genetically fortunate as the other girl in the photo. I was not arguing with that assessment, I was merely curious: if her lack of appeal is nothing she can control, why must so much of the male commentary on it be so pointlessly derisive & belittling?
The answer, apparently, is, “Because it *can* be.” Which is really depressing, btw.
I myself don’t believe she’s doomed to a loveless, sexless, pathetic life, but if you *do* believe that, it’s cause for you to dredge up MORE compassion for her perceived plight, not less.
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i always get hit on WAY more on the nights i just wear jeans and a tshirt, minimal makeup, hair pulled back.
confounding variable alert:
i would hypothesize that you are alone, and thus ipso facto approachable, much more often when you are outfitted as described.
yes?
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For those who believe a plain girl cannot be made beautiful, check out the following link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=525089&in_page_id=1879
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^ must this doggerel continue?
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#119 morgan:
if ‘those who believe a plain girl cannot be made beautiful’ do indeed click on your link, their beliefs will be heartily confirmed.
if that wasn’t your intention, better luck next time.
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I looked at those “makeover by Shawn” photos. It seems to me that the only thing that really changed was their skin. The pretty girls looked pretty without makeup if their skin was nice. Which leads me to say: Ladies, take care of your skin. He touts that list of traits that makes women beautiful but what he forgets to mention is that the skin is the most important single factor. It ties everything together, it takes up the most surface area for the eye to scan and should lead the eye smoothly around the face. Not all bumpity bump like your eyes do when they encounter red nose and wrinkles. They don’t call it “easy on the eyes” for nothing. I think cohesiveness is a big part of beauty. The less your eyes are compelled to work the better looking you seem. But notice, if you look at pictures of beautiful people and you make your eye travel you do notice the flaws.
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118. J5
-nope, not necessarily alone.
119. that TATLER link was PAINFUL. The photoshop was so awful it made me cringe. you’d think a national magazine would have funds to hire a better photoshop magician!!
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This isn’t photoshopped!
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Notice everyone’s assuming that the less attractive girl in the picture is boyfriend-less. It’s entirely possible that isn’t true.
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WOW… Another brilliantly hilarious post.
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Notice everyone’s assuming that the less attractive girl in the picture is boyfriend-less. It’s entirely possible that isn’t true.
I’d feel sorry for the boyfriend. Given the hot women that are available in porn, I’m surprised that men still date unattractive women.
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#129 ^^ a more clever riposte than i’d expected.
but truly, female neurosis (especially narcissism) is accepted, if not outright encouraged, by our society in its desperate attempts to avoid damaging the amour propre of poor little princesses. a great plurality of young women are, literally, neurotic; and a rare treasure indeed is she who is still in the bloom of youth, yet not insecure.
as males are naturally more predisposed to all things extreme than are females, there can be no doubt that there are more potentially neurotic males than females; however, we don’t have a society that foments and encourages male neuroticism.
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“According to you, men everywhere will shun her like the plague and she’s doomed to a miserable, lonely, pathetic life for reasons entirely beyond her control — is that not punishment enough?”
I truly feel for her. That is why I am hoping we can eventually progress as a species when we have voluntary eugenics to prevent babies from being born with her miserable phenotype. We really voluntary eugenics- I can’t stress this enough. People will otherwise be born ugly and stupid who really deserve to have as much of a chance at a good life.
Of course, this isn’t a blog for nice people. If you’re demanding that, you may want to check out another blog. Seriously. He understands that the way you don’t get laid is to be too nice to women. They will interpret that as a sign of weakness. Remember, we are all descended from murderers and rapists, to a degree. Being mean and selfish is as much a part of our genes as being altruistic.
Something like 30% of central Asia is descended directly from Genghis Khan. There was an article about this on gnxp.com. Do you really think the women who procreated with him always did so willingly? Guess whose genes were passed on and whose weren’t?
Hopefully, she isn’t reading this blog.
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female neurosis (especially narcissism) is accepted, if not outright encouraged, by our society in its desperate attempts to avoid damaging the amour propre of poor little princesses.
so true. It’s kind of amazing how being a self-righteous bitch is held up as a personality ideal for women. What’s up with that?
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“there is nothing more revolting than a mewling little turdboy shitting his bloomers cause some big bad ol meany called an ugly girl a warpig.”
I can think of many things more revolting than that.
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“He understands that the way you don’t get laid is to be too nice to women. They will interpret that as a sign of weakness. Remember, we are all descended from murderers and rapists, to a degree. Being mean and selfish is as much a part of our genes as being altruistic.”
What on earth does this have to do with kicking an afflicted unfortunate when she’s already — and permanently — down? Do any of you so-called alphas really think that employing the merely-factual “ugly” rather than the gratuitously-cruel “warpig” is such an overwhelmingly magnanimous gesture that the hott chix are going to think less of you for it?
To make the point relevant to this site: a man who can show compassion is hot. (I’m not talking about parroting mealy-mouthed platitudes you think a woman wants to hear; I mean treating people decently and with respect, because to do less cheapens him, not them.) A truly high-quality man, who has genuine confidence, does not need to vent his spleen on those lesser than himself. If you feel the need to disparage those who are worse off than you in ways over which they have no control, you’ll always be a pathetic beta. And a bully, to boot.
You people have the weirdest fucking worldview I’ve ever heard of.
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“To make the point relevant to this site: a man who can show compassion is hot.”
Women are the gatekeepers to sex and procreation, rape aside. If they wanted to ‘reward’ nice betas who show others compassion, behavioral phenotypes like his would be gone in a millisecond, and the world would be a far better place. If you are a nice woman who is like this, that’s great, but too many men learn the hard way not to be too nice from the get go. It’s unfortunate so many hot women can act like bitches and prefer assholes. Yet another thing we can potentially ‘fix’ with genetic engineering in the not too distant future, btw.
Maybe terms like warpig shouldn’t be used, but, like I said, this isn’t a blog for nice people. Honestly, I feel for the chick and hope one day in the future we can prevent unfortunate phenotypes like that from occurring. It’s sad really.
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111 anonymous
“What on earth does this have to do with kicking an afflicted unfortunate when she’s already — and permanently — down?”
You make some wonderful points. Unfortunately he and his reptilian cohorts have not evolved nearly far enough to understand exactly what you are trying to convey. I beg to differ though, that this woman is any more unfortunate than he himself and quite possibly less so. It’s arrogance itself to assume that she is less fortunate than anyone posting a comment on this blog site when you consider her life as a whole.
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Candy Cane,
Well how about you spend less time trolling the comment section of this blog for attention and more time raising your kid/ kids so they don’t grow up half as fucking retarded as you? Maybe if you gave them as much attention as you give this comment section they wont grow up needing it as much as you obviously do now. Break the cycle
Just a thought
OH SNAP I drink your milk shake!
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i know this is really late… but:
37.
i disagree, i always get hit on WAY more on the nights i just wear jeans and a tshirt, minimal makeup, hair pulled back. (rather than all gussied up all “club like”)
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-i agree with everyone that said the kid has potential. i disagree with whomever said that he should just hook up with the “genetically challenged” girl in the denim jacket. he is above her!! poor girl needs a “swan” type makeover. i do agree with those who said she should at the very least attempt to “defrump” herself.
-regarding the pornstar argument. i think, that what one finds appealing in porn does not necessarily translate into real life (as far as what one finds attractive.)
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Since I arrived late, I’ll say that I can add little to the defense of the little red-haired girl that wasn’t already said, namely, that she is far from a warpig, she has beautiful hair (even if done up rather dorkily), that her denim jacket may (or may not) obscure a rather healthy set, and that from what I CAN see, she has a nice ass and thighs.
Of course, the one on the left is still far preferable, but the one on the right is not a 2.5. I think she would score a 6 or 7 on Hot or Not.
Now the main issue, which no one seems to have addressed, is that of nerds/geeks mating. I have discussed this here numerous times, and I will state categorically: don’t do it!! The incidence of autism among the spawn of such people is simply too high to take that risk, as we found out the hard way. Although my autistic son is the most beautiful boy in the world, but it probably would have been better had I accepted the judgment of the marketplace and not gotten married so late in life.
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The girl on the right is VERY unattractive, but I think there’s things she can do to rescue herself (and I ain’t just talking about makeup).
1) Hit the gym with a vengence – get a killer body and in my book, you move to at least 5.
2) AFTER step one, do something about those drab clothes.
3) Do something about that drab hair
4) And now makeup/lipstick/etc can be added to do something about the face.
It works in layers though. Fix the frame with step one. This is by far the most important step. Once the foundation is laid, she can wear some clothes to accentuate her now beautiful frame. She’s got quite the square jaw, but the right hairstyle and makeup combined with her fit body and nice clothes can make a man forget about that.
She’s hardly completely hopeless, but she’s got a LOT to do.
This is sort of the female equivalent of what pickup guys tell beta chumps to do.
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@139 sestamibi
“I think she would score a 6 or 7 on Hot or Not.”
You sir/dear, are f*cking insane if you think that. 🙂 Or are talking about Hot or Not, Prison Edition?
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138 Virgl
After reading your comment I decided to let my kid out of the closet for some bread and water. Listen, I would give this past time up gladly if you and your little tribe here were not so consistently entertaining.
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116 Johnny
“you just uttered an inestimable truth … and then you just had to write four more words.”
So he FUCKS? Yes and he IS a fuck; but the fact that he fucks? OMFG I’m so impressed I just shit my fucking pants.
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DA wants to rumble:
There was no reason for you to be a douchebag and call this woman a warpid when she’s done nothing wrong to you except to exist in a photo.
did the nerdboy in the photo do anything wrong to me except to exist? because i’ve basically called him out as a celibate loser.
so tell me, david, why didn’t you rush to his defense with your well-honed white knighting routine? i’ve hurt him with my words as well. where is your compassion for him?
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yeah, that’s what i thought.
it seems some targets are more worthy of your suckass posturing than other targets.
I don’t care that defending this unattractive women isn’t a free ticket to sex, but I certainly can’t let you rag on this woman in such a fashion.
letting’s got nothing to do with it. you and what army are gonna stop me?
Obviously she isn’t attractive, but to call her a warpig just sinks to a lower level of thinking and decency.
feel free to explain how calling a girl obviously unattractive will spare her the tears that calling her a warpig will cause her. you are arguing for a moral code based on stylistic differences.
tsk tsk. that simply won’t do.
i’ve got news for you. this phony act of chivalrous rectitude you’ve massaged into your internet persona earns you nothing but the barely concealed contempt of the very damsels in distress you attempt to defend. did you know that? combined with your self-pity wallowing you are a complete asexualized turnoff to every woman who reads you. oh, they’ll never tell you this, of course. decorum and female propriety ensure their silence.
and yes, these words are meant to hurt you. perhaps some good will come of it and it’ll shake you out of your pathetic pity party torpor and get you to abandon your paralyzing fear and bust a move meeting real live women.
but i doubt it.
For those with social phobias, aspergers, or porn addiction, then there is no solution except for porn.
i’m through with your broken record feeble excuses. your self-flagellating twisted pity fetish is a transparent whoring for attention. i’m tossing you the razor blade. man up, or slice long and deep.
anon:
re: epithets like “warpig”….
Why is that necessary?
the deployment of the sharpest cutting word in my arsenal of merciless hate wasn’t a direct stab at that girl who, chances are, will never come across this blog.
rather, it was in response to the delusional little lies… the lies of convenience… i saw so many here in the comments try to fly under my radar. “oh with a little makeup she’ll be fine” “it’s the lighting” “all she needs is a haircut”. this is thunderdome and i am here to call bullshit when i see it, and sometimes that means shocking the polite defenders of the established order with the cruelty of the id monster. i say out loud what all these “compassionate” poseurs silently think to themselves. the girl in the photo was merely a tool to observe my experimental subjects thrashing about as they come face to face with the ugliness of human nature.
i am the last drink you never should have drunk.
i am the body hidden in your trunk.
i am the cut that makes you hide your face.
i am the party that makes you feel debased.
fyi, i have nothing personally against the girl in the pic, but i do have something against those who want to obfuscate reality in service to their mewling moral equivocating and pretty lies.
If, as you claim, female appeal is entirely determined by genetics and there’s really nothing a plain-to-ugly woman can do to improve her lot however hard she’s willing to try, then aren’t those losers of the genetic lottery already suffering enough without ladling on the disdain and bitchy names?
do you think the social afflictions of the nerd in the photo are determined at least partly by genetics? because i do. and i have called him bad names dripping with disdain. yet you did not see fit to spare him your compassion.
no need to explain yourself. i already know the answer why.
opus:
but there is special aura of blackness around you…
the tortoise lays on its back
its belly baking in the hot sun
beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can’t
not without your help
but you’re not helping.
why aren’t you helping?
or:
i am the gom jabbar.
crisis and observation.
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once again i say that my view that the girl in the photo could be made more attractive than she is here has nothing to do with sentimentality or pious posturing, and everything to do with what i’ve observed in the world around me.
incidentally, i like david alexander but i do think he may need your boot in the behind approach. real human touch has a magic that imagination cannot supply.
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Women who say they “dig” nerds are usually nerds themselves.
Surprised you didn’t say anything about that guy on the left…!
http://thisdevilsworkday.wordpress.com/
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“do you think the social afflictions of the nerd in the photo are determined at least partly by genetics? because i do. and i have called him bad names dripping with disdain. yet you did not see fit to spare him your compassion.
no need to explain yourself. i already know the answer why.”
Because “nerd” and “warpig” are two entirely different levels of derision, that’s why. Also, after bashing him, you saw fit to “help” him, meanwhile dismissing her as beneath your contempt and beyond hope of whatever it is you see as redemption.
*That* is why.
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candy cane:
He is right. However, that doesn’t necessarily make it right. Besides his horrible mangling of scientific studies and terrible understanding of genetics, his blog pieces are usually well thought out.
I think that he’s right you have to be ass and game women in order to get your foot in the door. However, to blame most guys nowadays for being angry and/or assholes is putting the blame entirely in the wrong court.
How would you feel if you were playing a real life strategy game and were told that in order to win you’d have to go against all the morals and ideas socialized into you since birth? If you don’t do well/win the game then you receive severe negative reinforcement. Hell, I know I would be angry.
Humans and more specifically most guys clearly have the ability to move beyond this basic level of the rules of attraction. Unfortunately, women which are controlling the punishment reward tables and completely undoing the effects of socialization.
I blame girls for having to act like an ass, because it works.
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143 nullpointer
“I blame girls for having to act like an ass, because it works.”
How is that working for you?
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#141, well let’s put it this way: my ratings on Hot or Not are usually pretty close to the consensus values, so I’m basing my estimate on that.
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my ratings on Hot or Not are usually pretty close to the consensus values, so I’m basing my estimate on that.
Hot or Not tends to have over-inflated ratings. I got a 9.5 on it with more than 600 votes, and there’s no way that’s how I actually rate.
The girl on the right is VERY unattractive, but I think there’s things she can do to rescue herself (and I ain’t just talking about makeup).
I agree with you. In middle school and parts of high school I was in her level of unattractiveness, with glasses and pimples. At least she has clear skin. Also, I had her exact same kind of jacket, because my mom forced those clothing styles on me.
Nor do I hold any contempt for guys are more aggressive and use game since they’re comfortable with it. I just don’t feel comfortable being that guy
DA, I think you need a woman with painted nails and a porn personality to get you off because you’re a submissive. There’s nothing wrong with this because there are a lot of male subs. But I see now that you won’t really like a nerdy female because of this (most are too shy and not dominant enough, like you).
Maybe you should try alternative personal ads. I am not trying to be patronizing, but this is probably something you should figure out before you turn into a creep (no, you’re not there yet).
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DA scares me.
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Gannon’s take:
The so called war pig is not a war pig in my opinion. She is too thin for that. That girl is just plain and simply ugly. Her main problem is not her skin or her hair or her body, but her face which has a big ugly nose and general ugly features. However, I would rate her a 3-4 within her age range. Sestamibi is usually right on a lot of things, but this girl is clearly ugly, below average. Also Sestamibi, 14 year old girls are mature enough to consent to sex with 28 year old guys.
As a Latinamerican, I have been told to always be a gentleman to women.
@DA: if you are really a black young man and not some 30 year old white woman like I suspect, I still believe that you could get some fine piece of ass. A lot of women on this board like you. You may laugh at me, but why don’t you write love poems? You can’t write love poems to women you don’t know, but if they know you somewhat you can try that. Argentina es un país de poetas y escritores. Also, there is a nice girl who wants to romance me, but I don’t know what I should do (I love my current gf, but I hate to lose opportunities)..
@Hope: I would love to see a picture of you
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I love my gf. But men are polygamous by nature. I would like them both.
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One last effort: try covering up the left side of the photo of that poor girl’s face, the side that has the red-eye, and you’ll find that she suddenly looks, if not beautiful, much more pleasant. That red-eye on the left makes her look much plainer and rather devilish.
Perhaps makeup and clothing can only do so much to make a plain woman more attractive – but a bad photo (going beyond bad light to bad angles, bad moment, bad flash troubles) can make all but the very prettiest women – and men – look hideous.
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Gannon, that was perhaps the worst and funniest transition of subject matter I think I’ve ever seen. I spit out my soup. One minute you’re describing the ugly chick then you’re talking about the maturity of 14 year olds. Dude, seriously. Complete a thought. Start a new paragraph. Write new thought. Its not that hard.
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Ack, I meant, “Girl on the right.” The girl on the left just needs to uncross her arms.
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What is interesting to observe is that all women on this board are trying to downplay the beauty on the left (probably because they instinctively see her as competition) while trying to persuade that the men on this board that the ugly on is somehow attractive (because they don’t perceive her as a thread. Why is it that women try to destroy the beauties and help the ugly ones?
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Hope, how can you say H/N has “over-inflated” ratings? When large numbers of votes are cast the rating obtained thereof represents a pretty good consensus.
However, it would be useful for individual statistical purposes if they provided the standard deviation of the votes cast. If this value is small, then the consensus pretty much centers around the average shown. Otherwise, the votes are all over the map and the average is less meaningful.
One thing I HAVE noticed, however, is that minority women usually score about a point lower than what I would expect. If you’re a 9.5 and you have a large tally, then you should take it at its face value.
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Gannon,
“I love my gf. But men are polygamous by nature. I would like them both.”
Your love for your girlfriend is not very impressive then. The problem is, as I see it, you are like so many others; 100 times more interested in sex than love, though one can lead to the other if you are interested and only if you are interested.
I see you basically keeping thing more on a physical level with your girlfriend and avoiding the heights that love can take you in order to “keep your options open”. You only allow your love to go so deep. So you’re keeping your options. For what? It sounds like for more of the same. Something not too good or not too bad with one foot out the door. Eventually she will get bored and/or frustrated and start looking if you maintain that attitude, or at the least she’ll feel relieved (eventually) when you break up with her.
Speaking from my own experience, when I have loved the most it went way beyond the physical into the spiritual but I was the only one there. I was with a man quite different from me in ways that meant it would not/could not last. The most stable unions are either loveless marriages of physical convenience–as in arranged marriages–or marriages that are spiritual in nature where all is calm, blissful, and stable. What we have here in the West? Chaos. See post 35.
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And DA, you’re psycho, and you know it. But you’re caught in some kind of weird shame/self-pity spiral. It’s entertaining at first but as one realizes you’re serious it gets scary.
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[IMG]http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/lussekat/warpig.jpg[/IMG]
I couldn’t resist… after reading alias clio’s suggestion… i removed “warpigs’ red eye, gave her some makeup and adjusted her hair.
-improvement huh?
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I find DA’s psycho-ness sort of endearing. At least he’s upfront about it. Then again, I don’t skeeve out too easily.
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candy cane / gannon
-what difference does it make. he’s probably due to trade in for a NEWER and YOUNGER model anyway…
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The main differences between Hot and Not in this picture as far as body language; Hot is somewhat arrogant and defensive; notice the smirk, crossed arms and hidden hands. Not is self-protective; holding the cup in front of her crotch, but her expression is sincere.
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“if that’s the case why did you attempt to cajole me into putting my photo online for, presumably, a little of the ol’ bloodthirstily vengeful cruel fun at my expense? verrry interesting.”
You presume incorrectly. I’m not a malicious person, just someone with zero patience for bullies, online or otherwise.
1. Shredding the appearance of a fellow human being when you don’t offer your own appearance for similar scrutiny is a sign of cowardice.
2. You can’t have an “anonymous abstract thunderdome of ideas” or whatever it is you call this, then use a real person’s photo without their permission. That’s when it ceases to be an abstract debate.
Perception is reality, and if you really did live among urine and rags you’d have a different concept of truth. Hey, anyone up for debating the existence of absolute truth?
PS – You aren’t confusing me with dizzy, are you?
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“the world’s best bet for increased happiness is germline engineering beauty into babies yet to be born.”
I think I will cry. More and more people are agreeing with me.
There won’t be any excuse 50 years from now to have losers be born into this world. They didn’t do anything wrong. BTW, I think Candy Cane must be hot (for her age anyway). She’s so wacko she has to be attractive to have survived this long and was probably great in the sack when she was 21 years old, like a lot of nut jobs.
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mq:
“She’s not the equal of the woman on her left … but the gulf is not nearly as great as people are making it out to be.”
I think you’re a sick person who needs psychiatric help.
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176 anony 1
“I think Candy Cane must be hot (for her age anyway). She’s so wacko she has to be attractive to have survived this long and was probably great in the sack when she was 21 years old, like a lot of nut jobs.”
Thanks! I seriously got a good laugh out of that.
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DA wants to rumble
And DA accepts the challenge…
did the nerdboy in the photo do anything wrong to me except to exist?
IMHO, we’re having some good natured fun at poking fun at the nerd, and we’re not being particularly mean towards him. In contrast, you’re simply being mean towards this woman just because she exists.
letting’s got nothing to do with it. you and what army are gonna stop me?
I’m almost tempted to blow my Amtrak Guest Rewards points on meeting you in a bar or club in a silly attempt to parry your game in person just to see if it has any effect on the female.
i’ve got news for you. this phony act of chivalrous rectitude you’ve massaged into your internet persona earns you nothing but the barely concealed contempt of the very damsels in distress you attempt to defend. did you know that? combined with your self-pity wallowing you are a complete asexualized turnoff to every woman who reads you. oh, they’ll never tell you this, of course. decorum and female propriety ensure their silence.
I’ve been told by several females this already including Wellesley Queen and the older woman I had sex with, so apparently, if they’re not having an effect, you will not have an effect either. Hell, just noticing the tendencies of the women that I know will certainly reaffirm the idea that women like strong men, yet, somehow I’ve managed to stay a soft and spongy asexualized male.
and yes, these words are meant to hurt you. perhaps some good will come of it and it’ll shake you out of your pathetic pity party torpor and get you to abandon your paralyzing fear and bust a move meeting real live women.
but i doubt it.
I assure you that as I read these words, not one single feeling of depression has overtaken me, but it reaffirms my conclusion that you despise me because I’m the only male who comes here and doesn’t worship you as the “master of game”.
So yes, you’re right to confirm your doubts that I’m not going to waste my time meeting real life women. Meeting women is an activity best reserved for mainstream men, and not those on periphery like myself. I’m not going to publically humiliate myself in some pathetic attempt to meet women when it’s highly obvious that game does not paper over default personality. I am simply a quiet, unassuming, and shy male, and I’m damned well aware that is not attractive for women, and I’m happy with myself as a person, and I’m not willing to change and become the “jackass” to appeal to women. Certainly, it’s within a woman’s right to choose and desire the jackass, and I hold no ill will towards them for that. Nor do I hold any contempt for guys are more aggressive and use game since they’re comfortable with it. I just don’t feel comfortable being that guy, and I’m not going to force myself to act in that way in order to meet women, and if end up being alone, I understand that it’s a consequence of my actions. I’d still rather be content with myself than to feel perpetually guilty and be in a relationship that could falter when she discovers the real me.
I may have a fear of people, but it’s not the overriding reason. It’s because I’m well aware that the entire process of meeting and dating women is a pointless endeavor. I have a female co-worker who wants to drag me to a bar with her, but I’m refusing to go to on the grounds that it’s an expensive time sink.
i’m tossing you the razor blade. man up, or slice long and deep.
I’m slicing long and deep and feels so good…
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176 anony1
I seriously love being deranged.
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147 DA
My vagina is a self-important douche. He takes himself so seriously. His only real value as far as I can tell is in in providing entertainment.
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The woman on the right has a more feminine face and (apparently) body type that would have been quite recognizably beautiful in the 19th century, before flapper-type androgyny got so big in the U.S. Plus she’s pale, as opposed to tan, which was considered very feminine and beautiful for class reasons back when the working class had to work outdoors. The switch from men being viscerally attracted to very pale skin to valuing deep tans is one of the clearest cultural switches in beauty cues.
MQ
MQ why do you think this is since very pale skin usually ages a lot faster?
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“so what you’re saying is, you get offended by what i write. glad to clear that up.”
As I originally put it, I don’t get “overly offended,” as in,you don’t keep me up at night. But this blog is offensive…which you yourself have copped to on multiple occasions.
“where were you when i was shredding the appearance of the nerdboy in the photo?”
As I stated before, I think the nerdboy is cute. The word “warpig” is where folks started to go nuts.
“or do you plan on setting straight all 10,000 of the bullies over at reddit.com?”
I would if I could, but I’m more likely to be heard in the smaller audience here. Also, just because everyone else is doing something doesn’t make it right – don’t be a sheep.
“let’s just say some things are starting to add up.”
David Alexander is my sock puppet, and Candy Cane is my alter ego. Actually, I’m your only reader/commenter, and all these people are just facets of my imagination. Glorious Pelts Ahoy!
“ps: feminism is a false god. a linus security blanket.”
It’s my reality, and I happen to like it.
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152 Gannon
“lso, there is a nice girl who wants to romance me, but I don’t know what I should do (I love my current gf, but I hate to lose opportunities)..”
Pardon me for interjecting but don’t be an idiot. The world is full of them. Why be one yourself? Guys do this type of thing all the time. Some will waste their entire lives looking for the perfect woman and will end up like Hugh Hefner at best. A joke. If you love your current girlfriend, why not just love her more? Be a big man and make a decision. Don’t be a leaf in the wind.
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I can’t get over what a tough crowd y’all are. The girl on the left has awkward posture, and it’s throwing her out of whack. She does have pretty hair, nice skin, and good cheekbones. There are some definite building blocks there.
I bet you anything that if my picture was posted here anonymously, y’all would shred me to bits. But the funny part is that I am so non-photogenic that even professional photographers can’t get over it. (Note: I don’t want my photo up here, it’s an invasion of privacy that would seriously piss me off.) So a photo isn’t going to 100% tell you if someone is attractive.
And, here’s why I sharply disagree with the “warpig” designation. A few months back, your photo was posted on the Internet and your appearance was dissected. You flipped the fuck out. Anonymity, work, blah blah…really, I’d bet a large part of you just didn’t like having your looks picked apart.
So don’t dish what you can’t take. If you’re going to shred the way people look, put your photo on up here and let us have a look at you.
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Chic Noir, the skin that ages fastest is white sun-tanned skin.
White women with pale skin used to be admired more than those with tanned complexions because it was a mark of high status (not having to work outdoors), and of youth, to be fair-skinned.
But I don’t know why people don’t value naturally dark skin more. Seems strange to me too, and I’m about as pale as it’s possible to be and remain visible. The boys here will probably tell you it’s a genetic preference, but I’m inclined to think that status-seeking has something to do with it as well. I believe that men in more traditional cultures before the dawn of modern advertising found white women unfeminine, because they were so outspoken.
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shannon righteously moralized:
I bet you anything that if my picture was posted here anonymously, y’all would shred me to bits.
then the smart play would be to not post it.
But the funny part is that I am so non-photogenic that even professional photographers can’t get over it.
you’re qualifying yourself. interesting.
A few months back, your photo was posted on the Internet and your appearance was dissected.
it was?
You flipped the fuck out.
you must be using a novel definition of “flipped the fuck out” that i am unfamiliar with.
Anonymity, work, blah blah…really, I’d bet a large part of you just didn’t like having your looks picked apart.
you are mistaken. protecting myself from a security breach which could jeopardize my livelihood was of paramount importance. and judging by the creepily deranged stalkers who threatened just such actions to me in email i was right to take steps to ensure my anonymity.
after all, i don’t write about rainbows and unicorns on my blog.
So don’t dish what you can’t take.
i’ll dish out whatever the fuck i feel like dishing out and you’ll lap it up.
this is thunderdome and if the whining puling pukes can’t do battle with me in the anonymous zone of ideas they are free to leave and nurse their tender egos over pints of ben and jerrys, away form the big bad monster.
i’m here to deliver the unvarnished truth, the reality of the grimy side of human nature, and my working anonymity is essential to thwart the retaliatory efforts of those whose weak constitutions can’t handle my very special lessons.
ps: old women are sexually worthless. heh.
If you’re going to shred the way people look, put your photo on up here and let us have a look at you.
you have no understanding of my work.
alias:
and you’ll find that she suddenly looks, if not beautiful, much more pleasant.
alias, i know you’re trying to get us to imbibe the moloko plus of human kindness, but honestly, if you want me to stop tearing this poor ugly girl a new one you have only to refrain from feebly defending her expertly hidden beauty in a lame rearguard action to soften the blow of my reminding the studio audience of the horrible reality of female sexual market value.
the power to silence the demon is in your hands.
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Alia clio- I think you are right about status seeking since men really look at women like possessions and less like human beings. The thinking is more in line with look at my house, car, woman and dog.
Personally, I find beauty in all colors of skin it is the shape and arrangement of features that lead to true beauty
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#159 Gannon: Neither I nor any other female commenting on this blog has said a word against the blonde woman’s looks (unless there’s a section in this long thread I missed, which is possible). Her beauty is indisputable, so why would we? It hardly seems necessary to praise her, as no one has insulted her and indeed the men who have commented on her looks all admire her.
So what the heck are you talking about? Just looking for another excuse to run down the female sex as monsters of jealous paranoia? Sorry, but I can’t help saying that, because really, this seems one of the sillier points I’ve heard anyone make here – and that’s going some.
Hey, duck, did you try my experiment? BTW, I probably wouldn’t have bothered to defend her if you hadn’t called her “warpig”, which is a hostile epithet I would expect you to use only of someone either extremely fat or in-your-face hideous, you know, in a near-deliberate way – like a fat person flaunting herself with too much ill-applied makeup and revealing clothes. This girl is extremely slender (her waist is hidden by her baggy jacket, but her thighs are clearly twiglike), and her plainness is not the self-inflicted or self-deluded kind.
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Gannon,
Stick with the girlfriend. If you love her, the crush will pass.
“Why is it that women try to destroy the beauties and help the ugly ones?”
I don’t really do either, I just think the girl on the right isn’t getting a fair go of things.
“you’re qualifying yourself. interesting.”
Nope, not quite. I’m not giving out my 1-to-10 scale or discussing my sexual prowess here. Just pointing out that pictures can be highly deceiving and some people look very different in photos than they do in real life. As I don’t typically use my own appearance as a point of reference on this blog, I think y’all can give me a pass just this once.
As a non-me example, my sister lives in LA. Virtually every celebrity she has run into looks very different in real life.
Skipping over a few things where we’re just going to have to agree to disagree…
“i’m here to deliver the unvarnished truth, the reality of the grimy side of human nature, and my working anonymity is essential to thwart the retaliatory efforts of those whose weak constitutions can’t handle my very special lessons.”
Sounds a whole lot like a bully who tries to get a free pass by saying, “I was only being honest.”
I don’t get overly offended by a lot of what you post, because, really, it’s just so over-the-top and goofy.
Dissecting the photos of strangers, who may well come across this blog, is a totally different ballgame. In this case, you’re insulting an individual who has done you no harm, vs. some monolithic imaginary generic woman. You have to admit it’s not exactly a thunderdome of abstract concepts when you’re dealing with photos of individuals. The abstract becomes concrete, and the spirit of the thing goes from humorously harsh to pointlessly insulting.
“ps: old women are sexually worthless. heh.”
Coming from you, babe, that’s a compliment. Better to be a warpig than a dupe.
Smooches from your favorite over-the-hill cranky feminist!
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“i’ve asked this before but it seems i have to ask it again:
where were you when i was shredding the appearance of the nerdboy in the photo?
oh, that’s right, some targets are more acceptable of my shredding than others.”
You asked this and were answered way back at #145, although you’re ignoring that because it didn’t support your argument.
You unloaded with disproportionate harshness on the girl. More than a mere one or two people have commented on it. That is all on you, dude, no matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.
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183: yes Clio, that was exactly my thinking.
When many people worked outdoors and doing manual labor, pale, soft, smooth unworked skin was visible proof of wealth.
I’ve felt this status attraction in my own life, which I’m not too happy about. I’m basically attracted to women like the highest-status girls I wanted to get but couldn’t in high school. I’ll take a less attractive WASP-looking blonde over a much more attractive black woman. The black women around when I was growing up were ghetto poor. (I’m white).
I think this is true for many white men. My sister in law is black and smoking hot beautiful, but white American guys never check her out. (Black guys revolve in place when she passes by, as do white guys from other countries where the black/white divide is not a big status marker).
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“and if the whining puling pukes can’t do battle with me in the anonymous zone of ideas they are free to leave and nurse their tender egos over pints of ben and jerrys, away form the big bad monster.”
Oh right. And “for the love of God”, please leave me alone and get some therapy or better yet some ben and jerry’s!!
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all 10,000 of the bullies over at reddit.com?
There are very few bullies on reddit. I think only one person in almost 200 comments even mentioned the girl on the right (“chick on the right O_O SO HAWT”).
People on reddit are refreshingly sweet and thoughtful for the most part, and they sometimes organize nice things for the sake of niceness (for example, voting someone up because it’s his birthday). I also love their self-referential nerdy humor.
There is female bashing sometimes, but when a girl voices her opinion she’s usually not hated on at all. One of the posters with highest karma points on reddit is anonymgrl. I think you’d like reddit, Shannon.
White women with pale skin used to be admired more than those with tanned complexions because it was a mark of high status (not having to work outdoors), and of youth, to be fair-skinned.
This is the case in Asia as well. I was derided when I was younger by my fairer-skinned relatives because my skin tone is darker. Lighter skin is still considered more beautiful there.
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so what do you call all those thousands of comments disparaging the nerdboy for his social awkwardness?
They weren’t disparaging. They were commiserating. The comments with the most upvotes were usually identifying with or understanding of the nerdboy.
This comment had over 100 upvotes:
in response to this comment which has around 90 upvotes:
Total number of comments in the entire thread was around 200.
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the sexual tastes of American males (than perhaps any other industry).
But the sexual tastes of American males (or males in any culture) are *not* simply genetically hardwired, but respond to all kinds of culturally determined status cues. Are you really going to tell me some hard-looking woman with dyed blonde hair, a deep tan, and fake boobs is better looking than, say, Ethiopian woman, who are incredibly beautiful? American men just respond to that stereotypical hot blonde look, even when it’s cheap and fake, because they grew up fantasizing about HS cheerleaders.
Actually, I’m wondering if that woman had her breasts done too…she’s looking a touch porn-starish herself…although you no doubt see my point.
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I don’t want to have this go into race as the posts often do here, so I will post this and leave it at that.
(Black guys revolve in place when she passes by, as do white guys from other countries where the black/white divide is not a big status marker).
Yes, many blk women say European white men(usually northern) are more sometimes very open to dating blk women. I glad you can acknowldege the divide too because it is very real.
respect this, and the following is not meant as an insult. But, can you name me one heterogenous, stratified culture that actually prizes darker features greatly over lighter ones
In African-American culture the very dark males are usually highly prized.
You see when you bring in the media and colonialism you will have a change it what is considered attractive. When you are dominated by a group that have more than you do, most people will cave in and want to be apart of the dominant group.
Until recently many African women did not find a muscular, six pack physique attractive. This has changed now because many Westernized African women are exposed to the Western media and have taken Western(American) ideals of beauty as their own.
Traditionally, in many African cultures, old age was highly prized but now many people are being to worship at the cult of youth. Even African women prized growing old.
India is very different. I’ve read that the obessetion with skin color is a result of British colonalism and I have also read where some people link it to the very begining of Indian culture. I just wish they(a lot, but not all) stop looking down on me because I am black, the funny thing is my skin is lighter than that of many Indian people.
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MQ, that lady in the link is Lola Love and she is one of the biggest video girls around now. Many have said she has her b.reasts, bottom and teeth done/fixed. I still think she is very nice looking(& natural looking). You would not believe the amount of hate she gets from women all over the web.
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But the sexual tastes of American males (or males in any culture) are *not* simply genetically hardwired, but respond to all kinds of culturally determined status cues.
bullshit.
when i hit puberty and saw my first uncovered long luscious thigh glistening in the afternoon sun connected to a beautiful face and an hourglass figure it was like a thermonuclear blast of lust rushing straight from the core of my being.
there was no cultural status cue at work
The two of you agree really. A woman with an hourglass figure turns heads in all socities. In one society the hourglass size 2 may be the top prize while in another society the hourglass size 6,10 or 16 may win the prize.
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“American men just respond to that stereotypical hot blonde look, even when it’s cheap and fake, because they grew up fantasizing about HS cheerleaders.”
Chicken or egg? Who picked the cheerleaders? Who’s watching and maintaining the entertainment apparatus in heterogenous societies, like Latin America or India?
I think media and enterainment greatly influence people. In t he 1950’s a number of America’s male stars had blonde hair. Now its very diffcult to find an Ameircan movie star with blonde hair who can carry a movie(besides Matt Dameon). As a result you very rarely hear Ameican women faining over blonde haired men.
The French portray older French women in movies as sexy as the younger French stars and this may have something to do with why French men find older women hot(maybe not hot as younger women). Even with the saturation of American culture.
You can add the media to the reason why many women started buying Manolo Blaniks(500 dollar shoes well 800 now) after watching Sex And the City or even moving to New York to live like Carrie. The media is a very strong force and people want to fit in and feel important.
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alias:
BTW, I probably wouldn’t have bothered to defend her if you hadn’t called her “warpig”,
i called her a warpig in response to all the clucking from the nicegirl nannies that the photo actually betrayed a much prettier girl than what we saw with our lying eyes.
sometimes i have to unload the big nasty guns to kill dead the lies before they take on a life of their own.
which is a hostile epithet I would expect you to use only of someone either extremely fat or in-your-face hideous, you know, in a near-deliberate way
upon further reflection, i agree that she isn’t quite ugly enough to technically qualify for warpig status, but she ain’t winning no beauty pagents either. she and the nerd would fit well together, if he wasn’t draping his crabbed arm all over the hotter chick.
(hey, dizzy, that one was for you, babe. smooches!)
on another note, do you think there is a moral distinction to be made between calling a girl “unattractive” and calling her a “warpig”? i’m sure she would hurt just the same. i mean, as far as foundations for morality go, basing one on rudeness doesn’t strike me as a tenable position.
shannon:
Sounds a whole lot like a bully who tries to get a free pass by saying, “I was only being honest.”
i never claimed to be a nice guy.
but i will tell it like it is.
I don’t get overly offended by a lot of what you post, because, really, it’s just so over-the-top and goofy.
if that’s the case why did you attempt to cajole me into putting my photo online for, presumably, a little of the ol’ bloodthirstily vengeful cruel fun at my expense? verrry interesting.
of course, what you are forgetting is that i could be a street bum in urine-drenched rags living out of a cardboard box eating my own snot and that wouldn’t change by ONE IOTA the truth of what i say here.
leena – lol. ok, your prettyfying efforts bumped her up to a 4. but notice how you made her eyes look larger in the process. that structural change accounts for much of the improvement.
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-yes that is what “make up” will do. (when applied correctly)
::I gave her mascara (which you attributed to her eyes appearing larger)
::Removed the shine of her t-zone (foundation/powder)
::Painted in some eyebrows (eyebrow kit)
::Evened out skintone (again, foundation/powder)
::Gave her bangs (she just needs to part her hair differently)
::A bottom lip (lipliner/lipstick)
(and of course, as previously stated, removed the redeye)
-all of the above can be done cosmetically… there’s hope for warpigs everywhere. 😉
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leena:
all of the above can be done cosmetically… there’s hope for warpigs everywhere.
the whites of her eyes look larger which seems more a function of the photographic medium than what mascara will do for a woman in real life.
but yes, leena, what you did definitely added a point to her, making her slightly less unappealing. however, i wouldn’t extrapolate this to wishful thinking territory where warpigs everywhere can hope to become cute with a cosmetic upgrade.
the world’s best bet for increased happiness is germline engineering beauty into babies yet to be born.
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Alias clio- Fair skin or even light eyes are aside, blonde hair is not unversally(sp) loved.
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shannon came back for more of my loving love:
I’m not a malicious person, just someone with zero patience for bullies, online or otherwise.
so what you’re saying is, you get offended by what i write. glad to clear that up.
Shredding the appearance of a fellow human being when you don’t offer your own appearance for similar scrutiny is a sign of cowardice.
bravery is not running in the line of fire to take the bullet.
You can’t have an “anonymous abstract thunderdome of ideas” or whatever it is you call this, then use a real person’s photo without their permission.
this photo is all over the web. seems kinda silly to argue that i should contact her personally to get permission to republish it. or do you plan on setting straight all 10,000 of the bullies over at reddit.com?
That’s when it ceases to be an abstract debate.
what are you, friend of the common (wo)man?
i’ve asked this before but it seems i have to ask it again:
where were you when i was shredding the appearance of the nerdboy in the photo?
oh, that’s right, some targets are more acceptable of my shredding than others.
Perception is reality
i perceive the earth to be flat.
and if you really did live among urine and rags you’d have a different concept of truth.
pomo mushmouth speak to the contrary notwithstanding, would the first law of thermodynamics change if i lived in a cardboard box?
You aren’t confusing me with dizzy, are you?
no, but i wonder if you and her have been in secret communication behind the scenes.
let’s just say some things are starting to add up.
ps: feminism is a false god. a linus security blanket.
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blonde women will die out in 200 years
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/01-03-2006/76715-blonde-0
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In African-American culture the very dark males are usually highly prized.
Actually a consistent finding is that lighter skinned African-Americans, of both sexes, are considered more attractive by other African-Americans.
The point I was making was that there is no obvious genetic reason why men of a darker-skinned race should suddenly find themselves suddenly drawn to blonde, white women
They aren’t. African-American men are more likely to choose black women over white women.
When you find that men all over the world suddenly desire only blonde women
What??? In what world region do men desire “only” blonde women? What a crock of shit – and an obvious one at that. Do you ever base your views on evidence? The blonde advantage, even in the US, is slim at best.
The “facts” people are trying to explain using World European Supremacy aren’t even facts. If you want to know the scientific sexual psychology of skin color then you need to read Peter Frost instead of spouting lame, uninformed pseudo-theories.
http://pages.globetrotter.net/peter_frost61z/
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Chic Noir,
You’re conflating two different things; what men like in women and what women like in men. In appearance:
Women (generally) prefer muscular, dark skin, tall, thick asses, deep voices and square jaws.
Men (generally) prefer wide hips, round asses, fair skin, healthy hair, clear skin, round perky boobs (large a plus) and hourglass figures.
On top of that women want dominant men and men who are genetically different from what they are familiar with.
Given the traits above, men decide what they want from the woman based on her personality. Girl who’s slutty? Great for a short term fling. Girl who’s stable? Great for a long term mate.
If you want to start talking about the global mate competition seen in cosmopolitan locations you have to take into account the differences between ethnicities.
In Europe, people of African descent are more exotic than in the US, which boosts value. In the US not only are they more common, there are other associations that are less desirable (you can put white racism or that blacks are more likely to be lower class, hence low status as the the reason).
Perfect tans on women are, IMO, a pure status signal that men actually do respond to but this is the exception. Women are much more sensitive to status markers and project this on men.
Specifically about what you said:
In one society the hourglass size 2 may be the top prize while in another society the hourglass size 6,10 or 16 may win the prize.
Show us some cultures where a size 2 hourglass is less desirable then a size 16 (!?) hourglass.
In African-American culture the very dark males are usually highly prized.
This fits the genetic theory, not the social pressure theory; skin tone within a single ethnic group is an outward sign of testosterone level (like muscularity and square jaw-ed-ness).
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Rain And
In African-American culture the very dark males are usually highly prized.
Actually a consistent finding is that lighter skinned African-Americans, of both sexes, are considered more attractive by other African-Americans
Not to be rude, but are you African-American?
How old is that study because in the last 15 years things have changed. With AA women, darker skin (jet black even ) is prefered. Although you can find AA women who are into anyone AA male of the color spetrum.
Dark skinned AA males are to AA females as blonde hair blue eye WW are to W American Men.
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Some people are not into jelly beans and will eat fruit any day of the week before inhaling fructose corn syrup.
Some people don’t find American food appealing at all.
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I’m black and male, but I have to disagree with you there about dark skinned men and I have to disagree with Rain And too. Far as I can tell, I’ve yet to see a clear cut overwhelming preference by black women for light OR dark men. There doesn’t seem to be a clear cut winner in my experience, I’ve met equal amounts of black women who like both extremes.
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In African-American culture the very dark males are usually highly prized.
This fits the genetic theory, not the social pressure theory; skin tone within a single ethnic group is an outward sign of testosterone level (like muscularity and square jaw
yes but this changed about 15 years ago as before then light complected AA males were highly prized.
Sometimes we talk in circles on this blog because I actually agree with a lot of what you said but you can’t see it.
You forgot to add tall men. As a rule women like tall men, that is almost a universal. Some women don’t mind if the guy is not so tall, I open to a small guy as long as he treats me well.
@ steven johnson
Show us some cultures where a size 2 hourglass is less desirable then a size 16 (!?) hourglass
If you look at a lot of older Indian movies you will see that many of the Indian actress were overweight by American standards many are size 10-14. Look at Nigerian films and you will also see a number of popular plus sized actresses.
I don’t think the men in Northern Europe are obessed with a size 2 in the same way that American men are. Maybe becasue their women are a lot taller, I say the ideal there is size 6-8(from Movies) as in many of the stores there you can find nothing smaller than a size 4.
In Europe, people of African descent are more exotic than in the US, which boosts value
Good point, although African-Americans are frequently treated differently than continental Africans.
Do you think the round butt is universally appealing(blk people ,India,Greek)? I can remeber in the 80’s when mainstream America was in to the flat but look. I like the way a round butt looks because it gives the illusion of an hour glass shape from the back and your clothes fit, look better.
What I was trying to say in one of the earlier posts is, men see good looking women as status symbols. This is why a average looking guy wants to show his “10” girlfriend off to his friends and any other man around.
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Chic noir, go to this site and tell me what you think of the study cited about AA skin color bias toward lighter skin for both men and women (from 2006):
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2007/07/skin-color-and-mating-preferences-among.html
Interestingly, Jason Malloy (a gnxp.com commenter) states how this might not be the case in West Africa, possibly buttressing your nurture hypothesis.
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T, I mentioned that some like both extremes but most prefer very dark skinned men and when I say African-American I am not talking about all black people as there are many in this country who are not African-American or who have not lived in America for most of their lives.
I am throwing no shade at any of the West Indians or continental Africans who read this blog. Just talking about a group within a group.
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May I humbly inquire as to why the intense concern with what the majority thinks, wants, has, or is?
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Sorry, you guys and your stupid trends. Who cares?
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Candy I am begining to wonder too!
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Thanks YUPPPDDD but that was one small study. There are over 40 million African-Americans and 1 million continenal(sp) Africans in this country. Tastes do very when you have such a large group and there are even differences among regions(note Louisanna).
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Rain And, WTF?
The way you and others speak around here it’s as if you a) never bother to read a complete thread; b) demand absolute verbal accuracy from all people at all times (except yourselves); and c) allow yourselves complete rhetorical leeway when you want to make a point.
When I spoke of “all” men men desiring blonde/European women, I was referring back to earlier posts on this thread and to earlier threads which insisted that the prevalence of American pornography all over the world (a “fact” offered, as far as I can remember, with zero proof), indicates that American tastes in women – blondeness, big silicon breasts etc. – are probably genetically rooted and universal. I’ve even seen Steve Sailer (a statistician) write about this with some conviction.
I didn’t think it was necessary to back up the assertion with any proofs because it seemed to be so widely accepted here. My own point was that if there is such a taste, there are perhaps other reasons for it than genetic ones. I don’t reject evo-psych out of hand – but humans are social animals, and that means that our social environment and desire for approval affects our behaviour. THAT, if you like, IS genetically determined, or “hard-wired”, as you folks like to say.
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how did we go from talking about the awkward young gentleman in the picture to talking about this???????
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This is a review of a lot of the research on the AA light skin sexual bias. It was written in 1998 but cites a lot of studies from the early 90’s and 80’s. Along with the earlier piece from 2006 I cited, it seems to suggest that the light skin bias among male and female AA’s is real:
http://www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/prba/perspectives/spring1998/ktbrown.pdf
I’m won’t dispute that none of these studies are flawless. However, the cumulative data flood is impressive. Forgive me, men like to sort things out and categorize and scientific studies, more than ‘life experiences,’ help with that.
With that said, I have a question for you: do you know of any scientific study that shows that there is a reverse trend in the light skin bias among AA’s. This is a serious inquiry, btw.
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but humans are social animals, and that means that our social environment and desire for approval affects our behaviour
alias ciao
Very good point and one I was trying to make about the media having influence. The blond haired blue-eyed thing is not something I hear large numbers of black men going on and on about (except England). I also do not think large numbers of Indian men find it hot either.
We could make a comparison as to why African-American rap music is so popular across the globe. I think in part because it is American more than anything else. Africa has many many many great musicians but they do not get the accolades that many inferior AA musicians do because they do not have the machine behind them.
I want to apologize to everyone who has read my posts because I am not the world’s best speller.
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Conversations have a tendency to do that.
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^^^^^I know T , but I like it here anyway.
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Not really. The boner you get from porn has more to do with seeing the act of sex than seeing females that click with you on a biological level. If I watch 70s porn, I get a boner. If I watch 80s porn, I get a boner. If I watch 90s porn, boner. Same for modern porn. Same for Euro porn. Same for black porn. Yet the female aesthetic from each type of porn is VERY different in terms of body shapes, skin color, hair color, breast size, etc. It’s the quality of the sex acts that gives the boner more than some statement on what men universally like. The women in “Deep Throat” look nothing like the bleach-blond plastic women in Vivid Video productions. If anything, instead of porn being a reflection of what men like, as porn becomes more and more mainstream I think what’s actually hapenning is that men’s tastes are actually becoming increasingly shaped by porn.
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T do you think it matters if the couple look like they are having fun/natural adds in also. Some folk look like they are there for the check only.
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“Personally, I find beauty in all colors of skin it is the shape and arrangement of features that lead to true beauty”
I respect this, and the following is not meant as an insult. But, can you name me one heterogenous, stratified culture that actually prizes darker features greatly over lighter ones?
I am serious. If you look at Bollywood (India) or Telemundo/Univision (Latin America) the actresses/actors are the lightest featured peoples (in general) among a much darker populace. Furthermore, how can one clearly say this is racism when the darker, brown masses support this arrangement and are the ones buying tickets to the movies or watching the TV shows featuring such people?
Arguably, the respect given to darker featured models in the Western world is a newer phenomenom and possibly driven more by gay men and women (i.e. the fashion industry)- as other posters have noted. As was also said, a quick perusal of the top 100 porn actresses will show how they are predominantly white (majority blonde at that)- with a smattering of ultra hot ‘others’ (be it Black, Latino, or Asian…). The porn industry, like she notes, is really more sensitive to the sexual tastes of American males (than perhaps any other industry).
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You asked this and were answered way back at #145, although you’re ignoring that because it didn’t support your argument.
your answer was… unsatisfactory.
You unloaded with disproportionate harshness on the girl.
disproportionality ain’t the crux of the morality.
More than a mere one or two people have commented on it.
you misspelled “whiny women”.
ps: what a warpig!
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There are very few bullies on reddit.
really.
so what do you call all those thousands of comments disparaging the nerdboy for his social awkwardness?
oh that’s right… he doesn’t count in the moral equation.
at least, not as much as ugly women do.
People on reddit are refreshingly sweet
yer killin me hope.
anyhow, reddit ain’t the only place on the internet this kid was cruelly mocked.
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But the sexual tastes of American males (or males in any culture) are *not* simply genetically hardwired, but respond to all kinds of culturally determined status cues.
bullshit.
when i hit puberty and saw my first uncovered long luscious thigh glistening in the afternoon sun connected to a beautiful face and an hourglass figure it was like a thermonuclear blast of lust rushing straight from the core of my being.
there was no cultural status cue at work.
Are you really going to tell me some hard-looking woman with dyed blonde hair, a deep tan, and fake boobs is better looking than, say, Ethiopian woman, who are incredibly beautiful?
the structure of a beautiful face and figure is pretty much universal, with minor adjustments for racial group differences. (i.e., sub-saharan blacks prefer a little more heft in the hiney).
American men just respond to that stereotypical hot blonde look, even when it’s cheap and fake, because they grew up fantasizing about HS cheerleaders.
double plus bullshit.
american men respond to hot cheerleaders because those chicks give them a boner.
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hope:
They weren’t disparaging. They were commiserating.
most of the ones i read were written in mockery. but the few positive ones just prove that nerds will stick by nerds, just like women have stuck by women here on this blog when i pointed out the obvious ugliness of the girl in the photo.
also, check out sites that don’t cater to nerds that have taken up the cause celeb of that photo. it ain’t pretty.
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“your answer was… unsatisfactory.”
Of course, because what you want someone to say, “Yes, my liege, the reason we’re defending the girl and not the guy is because we’re a pack of chivalrous pussies/ugly battleaxes.”
And until someone breaks and agrees with you, you’re going to keep on harping. Why can’t you just accept that your perception might be wrong here?
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mq:
“But the sexual tastes of American males (or males in any culture) are *not* simply genetically hardwired, but respond to all kinds of culturally determined status cues.”
I’d believe this more if other heterogenous and ‘darker’ societies prized the more common darker features over lighter ones.
“Are you really going to tell me some hard-looking woman with dyed blonde hair, a deep tan, and fake boobs is better looking than, say, Ethiopian woman, who are incredibly beautiful?
What I will tell you is that there are not necessarily absolute racial standards of beauty (beyond what she said about universal ideas of facial structures and what not). So, what American males prefer might be different than what Ethiopian males prefer. I strongly suspect that more American males would prefer Heidi Klum than Ethioian males do.
“American men just respond to that stereotypical hot blonde look, even when it’s cheap and fake, because they grew up fantasizing about HS cheerleaders.”
Chicken or egg? Who picked the cheerleaders? Who’s watching and maintaining the entertainment apparatus in heterogenous societies, like Latin America or India?
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T:
“The boner you get from porn has more to do with seeing the act of sex than seeing females that click with you on a biological level. If I watch 70s porn, I get a boner. If I watch 80s porn, I get a boner. If I watch 90s porn, boner. Same for modern porn. Same for Euro porn. Same for black porn.”
I respect this sentiment but completely disagree with you. I have a lot more difficulty getting a boner from certain races than others. You might get boners all the time, but I strongly doubt I’m the only guy who has porn race preferences. Secondly, even if guys get boners from various types of porn stars, that doesn’t mean they don’t have definitive preferences for what they’d rather see. I think that explains the rise of the silicone enhanced, blonde ‘Barbi’ look after the 70’s. Almost all the top 100 porn actresses in America are white- and a majority are blondes at that.
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“I also do not think large numbers of Indian men find it hot either.”
Yes, they do. Also, the caste system existed in India eons before the British arrived, and lighter features were always preferred.
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From:
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2007/07/skin-color-and-mating-preferences-among.html
“… In the 2005 book “Fair Women, Dark Men: The Forgotten Roots of Color Prejudice,” Canadian anthropologist Peter Frost reports that lighter women were preferred in medieval Japan, Aztec Mexico and Moorish Spain, even before there was significant contact with Western ideology.”
This is interesting, but I don’t know how this conclusion was arrived at because I never read the book.
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when i hit puberty and saw my first uncovered long luscious thigh glistening in the afternoon sun connected to a beautiful face and an hourglass figure it was like a thermonuclear blast of lust rushing straight from the core of my being. there was no cultural status cue at work.
please pay attention to context. The issue of “cultural status cues” was raised by me, and in connection with skin colour. The point I was making was that there is no obvious genetic reason why men of a darker-skinned race should suddenly find themselves suddenly drawn to blonde, white women – even to plain ones, in some cases – when there are plenty of beautiful women of their own race from whom they might choose a mate, or even a lust object.
When you find that men all over the world suddenly desire only blonde women, it is not unreasonable to think that perhaps the higher social status associated with European culture and women is the explanation for it. That, and the imprinting created by American pornography, perhaps. Do you think that men with the (slightly peculiar) tastes that David Alexander claims to have are genetically imprinted, for heaven’s sake? No – they watch their pornographic images and they begin to think, “ah yes, sex = women with fake blonde extensions, 1-inch nails, and large plastic breasts”.
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please pay attention to context. The issue of “cultural status cues” was raised by me, and in connection with skin colour. The point I was making was that there is no obvious genetic reason why men of a darker-skinned race should suddenly find themselves suddenly drawn to blonde, white women – even to plain ones, in some cases – when there are plenty of beautiful women of their own race from whom they might choose a mate, or even a lust object.
Alias clio
I also think that men(and women) just like to try something different. This would explain with interracial s.ex was so popular in this country during the enslavment period even though it was against the law and blacks were considred 3/5 human etc.
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Aishwara Rai, the top bollywood actress ever is blue/grey/green eyed.
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alias:
please pay attention to context. The issue of “cultural status cues” was raised by me, and in connection with skin colour.
i wasn’t answering your point. my response was to mq’s generalization.
The point I was making was that there is no obvious genetic reason why men of a darker-skinned race should suddenly find themselves suddenly drawn to blonde, white women
couple questions:
one, does this preference actually exist or is it based on a reading of the trends in the fashion industry? because although there is overlap, what cosmo features on its covers is not exactly the same thing as what gives men hard-ons.
two, do we know for a fact that there is no genetic reason for this preference if it does exist? the globalization of blonde white women is a fairly recent phenomenon. if men are hardwired to prefer that look (a claim i’m not ready to accept or deny) then it wouldn’t be evident in their preferences until recently since most men around the world didn’t have visual access to those types of women.
When you find that men all over the world suddenly desire only blonde women, it is not unreasonable to think that perhaps the higher social status associated with European culture and women is the explanation for it.
again, i go back to what i wrote above — visual access to blonde white women throughout history wasn’t nearly universal like it is today. it’s like introducing jelly beans to a hunter gatherer tribe. they are programmed to like sweet tastes and quickly adopt the jelly bean into their diet to the exclusion of all other native sweets, even though they have never seen jelly beans before, and there were plenty of other native sweet fruits to eat.
status has nothing to do with what makes a man’s penis erect. if you have trouble believing this then i can only say you simply lack the imagination to put yourself in a man’s shoes.
Do you think that men with the (slightly peculiar) tastes that David Alexander claims to have are genetically imprinted, for heaven’s sake?
i suspect david alexander is lying to himself and has a bad case of sour grapes. if a real live cute girl with a nice body, but dressed conservatively, came onto him i doubt he’d have trouble performing.
if he’s not lying then it’s safe to say DA is an extreme outlier. kind of like fatty fuckers.
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T., in your observation do black guys prefer lighter skinned black women or have you noticed no trend there?
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A very large number of AA men like/ prefer light or medium complected black women.
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Chic Noir,
I realize you’re talking about African-Americans in particular. But I still disagree.
Black guys have traditionally liked lighter-skinned women, but I think over the past two decades that’s changed a lot and light skinned women aren’t quite the big deal they used to be. A good guage is video hos. Back in the 80s, artists like Big Daddy Kane only had really light skinned black women in his videos. Now in a rap videos you may see Asian and White women, but you also see the opposite extreme of a lot of really dark-skinned black women too. But it could also just be in my Northeast big city circles. Black people I know who live down south or who attend black universities say that the light-skinned woman preference is as big a deal as ever in their environments.
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but humans are social animals, and that means that our social environment and desire for approval affects our behaviour. THAT, if you like, IS genetically determined, or “hard-wired”, as you folks like to say.
true, clio. status seeking is ingrained in humans. but the status seeking mechanism is a separate mental compartment (to use some laymans license here) from the boner-inducing brain module. while the search for status within our social milieu may affect who men marry it is not going to have any impact on what gets men aroused. that is why the porn metric for identifying men’s preferences in which kinds of women they find attractive is so reliable.
as i’ve said before — the boner doesn’t lie!
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Candy Cane:
It’s working quite well. Funny, enough I’m dating a 6 ft tall german/swedish chick. Being a dick is almost necessary. She starts relentlessly shit testing if I start being too nice.
Chic Noir & T: I remember reading somewhere that being light skinned as a female was a good thing both for fertility and helping meet the fetus’s nutrional needs (i.e Calcium and Vitamin D). The fertility was related to folate or folic acid, but basically it boiled down to it being harder for white people to conceive in climates that are way too sunny and harder for black women to conceive in climates without enough sun.
I’m half south american indian, 1/4 russian, 1/4 scandinavian and I have a strong preference for light eyes, but dark hair and dark skin.
Plus, with global warming lighter skinned people are at a disadvantage. My mom sunburns if she doesn’t work sunblock on a daily basis. I can go out to the beach for a day with no sunblock and all I do is get really really dark.
I don’t really have much of a point, because I doubt people care of even understand about what a confidence interval represents. *sigh* central limit theorem only applies to means *sigh*
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Doesn’t anyone notice what a huge, masculine chin the girl on the left has? It’s bigger than the guys’ chins FFS! Even the somewhat homely girl on the right looks cute in comparison.
But I guess it’s a matter of taste.
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Re: Psycho
I don’t see why anybody would call me a psycho or be frightened by me. Just because I’ve taken an opt-out position certainly shouldn’t put me in the same realm as those who have voices in their heads. It’s an exaggeration to say that I’m psycho, but Wellesley Queen’s description of me as an “odd duck” certainly suffices.
BTW, as a personal dare, I’ll link to a photo of myself: Photo 1 & Photo 2
Do you think that men with the (slightly peculiar) tastes that David Alexander claims to have are genetically imprinted, for heaven’s sake? No – they watch their pornographic images and they begin to think, “ah yes, sex = women with fake blonde extensions, 1-inch nails, and large plastic breasts”.
I certainly remember being 16 years old years before stumbling upon porn and being fixated over pictures of Lil’ Kim and looking at the highly sexualized photos of her, and paying attention to her nails. I remember being a young 17 year old kid looking at the nails on the female passengers on the bus or subway. I also used to hang around message boards, chat rooms, and role playing groups that discussed sexual fantasies that were based on taking women and turning them into pornstars and strippers who were only focused on being human cum dumpsters. I really didn’t start using porn as a masturbatory tool until the older woman suggested it to me, and I was in withdrawl mode after she decided to go back to only fucking her boyfriend.
because although there is overlap, what cosmo features on its covers is not exactly the same thing as what gives men hard-ons.
Remember, beautiful does not always equal sexually attractive.
i suspect david alexander is lying to himself and has a bad case of sour grapes. if a real live cute girl with a nice body, but dressed conservatively, came onto him i doubt he’d have trouble performing.
if he’s not lying then it’s safe to say DA is an extreme outlier. kind of like fatty fuckers.
I suspect that may have worked before I started using porn and masturbating on a daily basis, but thanks to nearly three years of intense porn viewing, most normal women don’t have the same effect as they did before. Admittedly, periodically, I may come across a woman that does induce some sexual arousal, but it pales in comparison to the feeling of fresh porn from the internet. Interestingly, most of these women are relatively “skanky” or “slutty” looking, so they’re not too dissimilar to my taste in porn stars, but I’ve yet to explain why I’m attracted to my thin brunette co-worker who has D cups, nails, but no ass.
Besides, after learning from the various female friends in my life and blogs, I’ve determined that it’s easier to break into a bank vault than to crack open the sexual desires of most women. It requires habits and behaviours that aren’t a part of my personality, and it’s just easier to wank off and release sexual energy that way than to deal with the delicacies of the female sex drive. She et alia may enjoy the challenge, but I certainly don’t, and I just want to relieve myself of sexual tension, not defuse a bomb.
Even the last time I had sex with the older woman two years ago was uninspiring and didn’t lead to any orgasm for me since she didn’t have the nails, makeup, or heels that she had worn for me when we first started fucking four years ago. Of course, you and some others may be right, and all I need is some girl with nails and a pair of grabbable tits and ass to throw herself at me.
BTW, the increase in obesity in the population has also lead to an increase in chubby white girls with an ass which is good if one finds that attractive…
But it could also just be in my Northeast big city circles
I suspect that in North, it’s easier to get a white woman than in the South. I’d imagine the same thing is true at HBCUs, which are mostly located in the South as well and devoid of any white women for dating.
Admittedly in my own tastes, I’ve argued that there are plenty of good looking black women who are light and dark skinned, but one is more likely to find lighter skinned women who are better looking.
The boner you get from porn has more to do with seeing the act of sex than seeing females that click with you on a biological level.
For me, seeing the type of female that I like certainly creates arousal, but it’s sustained by the sexual activity. There are a good number of porn stars for some reason or another just don’t create any arousal at all, and their scenes are routinely passed over and rarely viewed. Most pre-2000 or European porn doesn’t even make it to the download queue for me.
Almost all the top 100 porn actresses in America are white- and a majority are blondes at that.
It also doesn’t help that white porn actresses are better looking than their mainstream counterparts. In contrast, there are plenty of attractive black women outside of porn, but very few within it. In addition, rap videos suck up the market for attractive young black women. Add the dearth of attractive well known black women in porn, combined with their pidgeonholing into ass-heavy black directed/produced porn, and heavy competition for white porn actresses for the attention of black men, and it’s little wonder why there are so few popular black porn stars.
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This isn’t really related to the post, but I thought people would be interested in it: http://creativeclass.com/whos_your_city/maps/
Check out “the new geography of work” map or the “personality” map.
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235 nullpointer
“Candy Cane:
It’s working quite well. Funny, enough I’m dating a 6 ft tall german/swedish chick. Being a dick is almost necessary. She starts relentlessly shit testing if I start being too nice.”
Great, so it’s working well. Fabulous. Another question. Will you be able to figure out how to not be an asshole at some point in time, or do you generally prefer neurotic, insecure, combative women who prefer being treated like crap? I mean, if being an asshole comes natural to you, it would probably be easier to just stay the same and continue on your merry little journey. If it’s working, who cares? Not me.
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DA you’re not a bad looking guy. I think a lot of your problems are in your head.
Besides, this guy’s ugly, and he got Iman pregnant:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/magazine/where.haywood/index.html
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DA you’re not a bad looking guy.
Agreed. He’s actually pretty good looking! Major self-esteem problems, though.
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Follow my advie DA and you will end up with a nice 17 year old pussy (or whatever is legal in your state).
I agree with Hope
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234 David
Saw your photos and yes, you are quite good looking. You have all the “makings” of what we all have….human form. Haha. I would say judging on the limited visual there, you had a rather anal retentive/uptight/sexually repressed upbringing. I think you mentioned before that you felt it was “normal” in that regard but may I suggest that since the world has by and large become a giant madhouse, what is considered “normal” especially in the realm of SEX is insanity itself.
When any of us lives our lives by default, simply reacting to everything in our line of sight and to the seemingly random thoughts in our heads, we get what we get and adjust, accept, and resign ourselves to our fate. Otherwise we can add a variable to the equation: OURSELVES. Ourselves as autonomous, free thinking, joy seeking, intelligent, independent people.
That goes for me too, speaking of which I have work to do. 🙂
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“I think you mentioned before that you felt it was “normal” in that regard but may I suggest that since the world has by and large become a giant madhouse, what is considered “normal” especially in the realm of SEX is insanity itself.”
When it comes to sex, there is no “normal” — just what you as an individual are comfortable with/enjoy.
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244 Shannon
I think that’s what I’m saying; how much do people really enjoy sex? How much are they fulfilled by it? How healthy and happy does it make the majority of people? How has it facilitated the experience of love; the kind of love most dream of and deserve? Is it helping to bring them they’re hearts desire or do they even expect or want it to? How much guilt and manipulation surrounds it? How do they feel about themselves as a result of sex? Has it created conflicts, disappointment, misery, self doubt, anger, frustration, jealousy? Do people feel free to discuss it? Is it a joyful subject? How is sex experienced in most marriages? Are children born and generally end up happy and healthy and eager to experience sex openly with each other? Are their sexual desires embraced and encouraged by the happy-healthy-in-their-sexual-nature adults? LOL
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P.S. Shannon
Take this picture for example. I see angst, insecurity, and arrogance on those faces and it all has to do with their attitudes about themselves in relationship to the subject of SEX.
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candy cane, I can’t answer your questions, because I can’t speak for humanity as a whole. Somehow I don’t think I’d want a notch count of 3 billion.
It’s important to figure out how you, as an individual, feel about sex. The whole point of my earlier post is that there is no “normal” and nobody needs to occupy their precious brainspace with worries about what’s going on in other people’s bedrooms (or car backseats, what have you).
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Through reading the blogs of men, I have realized that men like to talk a lot, even though women are charged as the more talkative of the two sexes
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“Futhermore, there is a wide range of women you can find in those movies.”
Again, just go to a site like Porn Eskimo (can’t link because I’m at work) and see the top 100 porn actresses. At least 90-95% of them are white (usually blonde), and this may be a severe undercount. All type of porn is available but clearly the most popular involves this particular group of women. I’m not white, but I’m trying to be objective about this. This is an industry purely driven by the American male sexual taste, and this is the result.
“I read somewhere that sales of very fat women type movies make up 30% of the market(don’t know if its true).”
I’d be shocked. I can’t think of one very fat chick in these movies who’s a star, but there’s probably an extremely small fetish market for chubby chasers nonetheless. If you can show me what you’re talking about via a link, that would be great. I just don’t believe it exists.
“Through reading the blogs of men, I have realized that men like to talk a lot, even though women are charged as the more talkative of the two sexes”
Men love to research studies and ‘prove’ points ‘conclusively,’ beyond what anecdotal evidence or ‘life experience’ shows. It is a conquest thing for us, and we’re into that stuff. Maybe it’s evolutionary.
Besides, the internet allows free discussion of issues, like porn race preference as it relates to the presumed American sexual preference, that are outside the scope of normal discussion for mainstream America for fear of being branded a racist and to a lesser degree, a pervert. Freedom of speech is liberating and enticing!
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YUPPPDDD we need to see a pic of him when he was younger. He looks about 60 in that pic and his beauty has faded.
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I agree, but Iman’s second daughter she has with David Bowie or a presumed daughter she could have had with a Somali male (or even DA!) would likely look better than the first daugher she had with that dude.
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DA is evidence that a lack of self-confidence, not looks, is the primary culprit in male self-induced celibacy.
btw, DA, was that a 5 terabyte porn collection in the background?
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the status seeking mechanism is a separate mental compartment (to use some laymans license here) from the boner-inducing brain module.
I await the cites to the extensive neuroscience literature that confirm this discovery.
Seriously, you have no idea whether this is true and your claim that it is has more to do with your elaborate and ongoing intellectual war with internet feminists than any examination of reality. I was really disgusted when I was offered fried grasshopper to eat, even though it is a frequent snack in lots of cultures and perfectly edible. I had a friend who threw up when she discovered she’d eaten dog, even though it’s fine meat. Socially determined food taboos *really do* affect the way your stomach feels, just like peoples socially determined relations with others *really do* affect their erections. My friend’s nausea to the point of puking was just as real as your erection.
You’re working off a simplistic and juvenile intellectual model in which the social and the biological exist in totally separate boxes and never affect one another. But they interpenetrate completely — social status is affected by lots of biological cues (more attractive people find it easier to get social status), and biological cues are modified and affected by social learning (what counts as attractive is partially determined by social status). No contradiction (this interaction is actually obvious in pickup). Social and biological are not opposites, they work together.
One problem here is the feminist nonsense which says that because something is *affected* by social cues it is easily changeable by feminist social engineers. That is BS, you will never get social engineering to change basic cues like youth, health, fitness. But within those cues there is room for a social effect. It’s like language: we have a biologically programmed facility for language, human language and speech varies only within strict biological limits, but which specific language we speak is socially determined.
while the search for status within our social milieu may affect who men marry it is not going to have any impact on what gets men aroused.
I’m not talking about the conscious adult “search for status”, I’m talking about status cues that you absorb unconsciously early in life.
that is why the porn metric for identifying men’s preferences in which kinds of women they find attractive is so reliable.
So Jenna Jameson is the ne plus ultra of feminine beauty, for always and everywhere, just because she causes some American frat boy to pop a boner? Silly.
The biggest problem with cheap internet “evolutionary psychology” is that it always ends up demonstrating that the inevitable, natural, evolutionarily programmed way to behave is what the typical Republican American male circa 2008 already believes is correct. Now you are trying to convince us that the universal, timeless standard for feminine beauty is what a suburban, middle-class, white American male of today likes to watch in the most widely mass-marketed American porn. Ummm, right.
when i hit puberty and saw my first uncovered long luscious thigh glistening in the afternoon sun connected to a beautiful face and an hourglass figure it was like a thermonuclear blast of lust rushing straight from the core of my being.
there was no cultural status cue at work.
Nothing in a boy responding lustfully to an hourglass figure and a luscious thigh contradicts in the slightest what I said.
double plus bullshit.
american men respond to hot cheerleaders because those chicks give them a boner.
Of course, but my point was that the source of boners is wider than you seem to imagine. I mean, there are men out there who pop boners from looking at women’s feet, and you’re going to tell us all that there is no cultural, personal history, impact on what arouses people, that it’s all programmed, invariant, and the same in everyone.
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The questions are more important than the answers.
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“Very good point David. In African-American and certainly African culture it is shameful for a woman to do those types of movies. She will have a very difficult time finding a blk man to marry her if that is what she desires. She will lose the respect of all around her too. Middle and Upper class very goodlooking blk women very rarley go into this type of bussines even if they dance because that is the final straw.”
I can’t completely rule this out, but it seems awfully unlikely that lack of supply is the reason for a dearth of black porn stars in America. If we were talking about Hasidic Jewesses not being available I’d agree it’s a likely explanation.
On almost any cultural index that I can think of, like illegitimacy rate, promiscuity rate, marriage rate, number of sexual partners, or age at first sexual intercourse, black men/women rank as badly or worse compared to their white counterparts.
For example,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19374216/
or
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=38882
” Today, 31 percent of black children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent. ”
I see little evidence that black culture in America is even remotely conservative and would severely penalize black girls asked to do porn. To me, that so many black chicks are already willing to do often highly sexual, scandalous rap videos bespeaks to a lack of conservative mores (I’m not trying to be perjorative when I describe this phenomenom, btw, just objective). I doubt that a black chick who dances for Dr. Dre in a G string really is worrying about her marriage prospects such that she’d refuse to do porn if asked.
Even if you are suggesting that middle and upper class black society will prohibit ‘their’ black chicks from engaging in porn and implying that the girls that do the sexually charged rap videos come from lower class black households, 1/4 blacks still live in poverty in America. That is a huge pool to draw from to get presumed black porn stars if there was such a demand.
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“Socially determined food taboos *really do* affect the way your stomach feels, just like peoples socially determined relations with others *really do* affect their erections”
mq this is a very good point
I’m not talking about the conscious adult “search for status”, I’m talking about status cues that you absorb unconsciously early in life
This is why light skin is so prefered amongst some AA. Remember the doll test used in Brown vs. The Board of Education. Looking at Tv and what those around them say, they come to believe that lighter is better because it means rich,beauty, classy etc..
Now you are trying to convince us that the universal, timeless standard for feminine beauty is what a suburban, middle-class, white American male of today likes to watch in the most widely mass-marketed American porn. Ummm, right
Wow another good point. MQ you hit it out of the park with this post.
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Yes, African-American culture is very diffcult for an outsider to understand. Just like every other culture on this planet, our culture can have confliting mores and values . The reason that illegitmacy is so high is because the women who are educated and married(like every other group) have far fewer children. Many African-Americans don’t believe in having abortions(very different from other blacks) and we also have a distrust of the medical establisment. You can do your reseach on all of the test and experiments, eugenics etc..(Tuskegee, Johns Hopkins lead paint 2004,deeproveria Birth control etc..)
Notice how even the video girl is frequently called a video ho. We don’t get the she is such a good girl who went wrong, we have Madonna/w*hor.e complex in our community bigtime. Among white Ameicans, those half naked women in the old Motely Crew videos were called models. Rappers have taken on the throw a half naked pretty girl in video and it sell anything from 80’s metal and rock music. Many of the women you see in rap videos who do the booty pop dances are infact strippers(who go on to do x.rated type movies), not all of the women dance many stand around and look cute.
Also tradionally, black women were less likely to perform unnatural s*.x acts9bottom & mouth), which put them at greater risk for pregnacy. Young blk girls and young white girls in this country are equally geting around. As far as their number of s.x partners I have no idea where you are geting these infalted numbers from. Remember that women can and will lie even when taking a survery and people can change answers . I’ve done it and it was not a survey about s.ex , but how I see the world. A study or survery can not explain everything. I read surveys saying certain things about blk people and have wonderd where in the world did they get this infomation.
The oversexed blk woman myth came about as a result of white men raping blk female slaves as a way to excuse their behavior.
Notice to how few blks you have in x rated movies in the 80’s there is a reason behind that, its looked down upon in our culture. Doing x rated movies in our culture is seen as badly(or equal to) as being a 15 dollar street walker(You can’t get preganant or spread AIDS by shaking your butt in a video). Furthermore, the morals of everyone in this country have become lax. Outside of this country you should hear what some people think about American women.
Why this obession with talking about race. I hate talking about race all of the time so I am going to leave at this because I don’t want to talk about it anymore.
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Chic Noir, please note that I got the stats on the number of black sex partners and age of first intercourse from msnbc. The stuff on illegitimacy came from a black commenter. It seems plausible enough, and they seemed to come from government databases.
Otherwise, your above comments are a little hard to understand. You seem to be suggesting, however, that surveys are difficult to take in the black community. If this is your point, I so note it. It is difficult for me to prove or disprove this, anymore than for you to prove or disprove it to me.
“Why this obession with talking about race. I hate talking about race all of the time so I am going to leave at this because I don’t want to talk about it anymore.”
Ok, that’s cool. You seemed interested in talking about race and sexual preferences, especially as it relates to porn. Like I suggested before, if people can’t talk about this stuff in public for fear of being branded a racist or a pervert, they’ll talk about this stuff in private and/or wherever they can because true freedom of speech is both liberating and enticing!
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while the search for status within our social milieu may affect who men marry it is not going to have any impact on what gets men aroused. that is why the porn metric for identifying men’s preferences in which kinds of women they find attractive is so reliable
I agree. That is why most men can lay with almost anything but marriage is something else.
Futhermore, there is a wide range of women you can find in those movies. I read somewhere that sales of very fat women type movies make up 30% of the market(don’t know if its true).
In contrast, there are plenty of attractive black women outside of porn, but very few within it. In addition, rap videos suck up the market for attractive young black women
Very good point David. In African-American and certainly African culture it is shameful for a woman to do those types of movies. She will have a very difficult time finding a blk man to marry her if that is what she desires. She will lose the respect of all around her too. Middle and Upper class very goodlooking blk women very rarley go into this type of bussines even if they dance because that is the final straw.
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Things were said here about race that I wanted to elaborate on. As far as surveys go, they are not always relaiable(sp) because people will want to say the good thing or answer just to appease their inner self.
The X rate.d movie thing came about from a poster when we were talking about what men find attractive, and the poster told me that men find women in those types of movies to be the best looking.
Like I suggested before, if people can’t talk about this stuff in public for fear of being branded a racist or a pervert, they’ll talk about this stuff in private and/or wherever they can because true freedom of speech is both liberating and enticing!
I have no problems with you, like I said yesterday, I like it here. As long as we can behave like grownups and not get into a bunch of name calling etc.. I am cool.
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I’ll thank everybody for the kind words.
No, Ganon, I am not going to bang women in the age cohort as I’ve pointed out on numerous occasions, they come across as silly and immature to me. Seriously, either you’re really tolerant of the immaturity and stupidity, or you’ll put up with it to get women who are willing to tolerate you.
Besides, seriously, how many parents let their daughters date a barely employed black guy?
I would say judging on the limited visual there, you had a rather anal retentive/uptight/sexually repressed upbringing
Anal retentive and somewhat uptight and slightly elitist, but much of that was my own doing to avoid the path of the ghetto dweller that my older brother decided to take.
btw, DA, was that a 5 terabyte porn collection in the background?
Yes, the workspace servers and server racks contain and manage my porn collection.
Still, somehow I think some people are missing the point. As I’ve said, game works with relatively normal males with normal interests that can keep a woman occupied. It doesn’t work with socially isolated males or nerds. I don’t think talking about this weeks issue of the Economist on the merits of bailing out Bear Sterns or Indonesia foreign policy is going to attract a woman in a bar. Men who don’t pay attention to the mainstream and partake in it are less likely to attract a woman when compared to an alpha who is knowledgeable in those fields and can use such an advantage to attract her.
I doubt that a black chick who dances for Dr. Dre in a G string really is worrying about her marriage prospects such that she’d refuse to do porn if asked.
Given marriage rates in the black community, it’s highly unlikely that these women would have ended up married. Even educated black women are having trouble marrying.
For young white women, since rock videos don’t use large casts of attractive females, the only choice to use one’s body in a legal sexualized manner for cash is via pornography. In contrast, black women of a similar situation are sucked into (somewhat low paying) rap videos, leaving black porn to have women who are considerably uglier than the average white porn actress, and many cases, uglier than the average black woman. Somehow, black porn is missing its Beyoncé and Halie Berry to sell to white audiences.
I read somewhere that sales of very fat women type movies make up 30% of the market(don’t know if its true)
I suspect that it may be ass heavy films (e.g. Big Wet Asses) that are loved by white and black men who find white women with big asses attractive. The women in those films tend to be fatter and chubbier in order to have the full visual effect of a big ass. I happen to like said white girls, while I’d imagine that some of the men here would puke such a site. Only weirdos like girls with 40 in asses 🙂
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BTW, my upbringing wasn’t sexually oppressed. Hell, my parents routinely poke fun of me for being a virtual virgin, and at times, they beg me to go out and meet people…
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Even educated black women are having trouble marrying.
yes David they have the most trouble because women don’t want to marry down.
For young white women, since rock videos don’t use large casts of attractive females, the only choice to use one’s body in a legal sexualized manner for cash is via pornography. In contrast, black women of a similar situation are sucked into (somewhat low paying) rap videos, leaving black porn to have women who are considerably uglier than the average white porn actress, and many cases, uglier than the average black woman. Somehow, black porn is missing its Beyoncé and Halie Berry to sell to white audiences
I agree with you about 96% here. Whats missing is how taboo it is for African-American women to do those types of movies. Rock videos stoped using naked women in large number during the early to mid 90’s. I glad someone else gets this.
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“BTW, my upbringing wasn’t sexually oppressed. Hell, my parents routinely poke fun of me for being a virtual virgin, and at times, they beg me to go out and meet people…”
Weak, very weak! You’ll have to do much better than that to convince me. Parents want their kids to get out and “meet people” people all the time. Do your parents have a great sex life? Do they talk to you about the great experience of sex and what it means to them? Are they excited and happy about their own sex life? Do you hear them making love with joy and happiness? Do they share all that great afterglow with you? Since you were young was sex something you couldn’t wait to do because the great sex vibe was all around you. Do your parents model love, affection and sex as natural as breathing? If not, you were raised like the rest of us: sexually repressed.
It’s a madhouse where few realize they are insane. Trust me on that. 🙂
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“For young white women, since rock videos don’t use large casts of attractive females, the only choice to use one’s body in a legal sexualized manner for cash is via pornography. In contrast, black women of a similar situation are sucked into (somewhat low paying) rap videos, leaving black porn to have women who are considerably uglier than the average white porn actress, and many cases, uglier than the average black woman. Somehow, black porn is missing its Beyoncé and Halie Berry to sell to white audiences”
Well, I still have no idea how you two are coming to this conclusion considering the sheer number of potential black chicks (in the low socioeconomic class especially) who would be available. I simply don’t buy that rap would be able to siphon off all of the millions of potential black chicks, of which ONLY A FEW even go into rap videos. That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever! Even in heavy metal/glam rock’s heyday in the 80s/early 90s there were a lot of white chicks in porn. Also, I’ve given ample stats (not just surveys) to back up my positions point by point. In addition, the average porn star can make more than all but the rarest rap video chick.
I’m not white, but I’m trying to be objective. I really think if the demand was there for non- white/non- asian porn female porn stars, you’d see the positions filled with more non- white/non- asian females- JUST LIKE, btw, you see with black male porn stars. EXPONENTIALLY MANY MORE black males (than black females in rap videos, for example) are siphoned into sports or music. However, the porn production companies have absolutely no problem getting the next Lexington Steele or Mandingo. DA, you watch enough porn to know this is true! If the porn companies wanted more asian males, they’d get them too, but, thus far, they don’t have much demand for their services either. Demand has always forced supply in the porn industry. Freak, the porn companies are getting women all the way FROM POOR EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES because the demand for attractive white chicks to do porn is so massive in America. The Eastern Europeans are probably about as poor as blacks (I assume). Like I said, demand has always followed supply, and it’s never been the case otherwise.
I’ve said what I’ve had to say on the matter, and I think I’m using a lot less anecdotal data than either of you, making my points less tenuous. However, I’ll leave it at that. I’m not looking to be insulting when I write any of this. I agreed with what she had to say about universal standards of beauty as it relates to global standards of facial bone structure, but otherwise don’t believe in any absolute standards can exist among such varied peoples on this planet.
Forgive me in advance, I love talking about race. You simply don’t have freedom to discuss this stuff openly in America, like I said. If I’m boring or irritating either of you, we can stop at any time.
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I don’t think talking about this weeks issue of the Economist on the merits of bailing out Bear Sterns or Indonesia foreign policy is going to attract a woman in a bar.
No, but if you talk about it in the right way, gave it the right context, the right tone, etc. it can pique the interest of an intelligent woman not in a bar. You are obviously to the right of the bell curve in a lot of ways, so you can certainly attract such women.
The black guy I dated for a year in high school consistently pulls in girls from Harvard / Yale medical schools. He has a lot of upper crust white girls, Asian girls, black girls, and mixed girls actively pursuing him. He’s around 5’10ish and has a lot of esoteric interests — definitely not a mainstreamer.
Men who don’t pay attention to the mainstream and partake in it are less likely to attract a woman when compared to an alpha who is knowledgeable in those fields and can use such an advantage to attract her.
No. Men who are “alpha” in their body language, attitude and self-esteem can attract women from all walks of life regardless of their conversation pieces. As I said previously, my boss is big into nerdy stuff and gets all kinds of women flirting with him outrageously. At lunch conversations he sometimes goes on about obscure films or bands that no one is familiar with, but he does it with such flair and interest that people genuinely and attentively listen.
When the girls go on about the latest reality TV shows he declares that he thinks it’s all pretty lame, and that he doesn’t even have cable TV at home. That kind of unconventional but relaxed attitude is very attractive to women. He is so comfortable in his own skin that his aura of confidence even affects other men.
Are they excited and happy about their own sex life? Do you hear them making love with joy and happiness? Do they share all that great afterglow with you?
Um, creepy? I don’t want to know about my relatives’ sex lives.
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“Um, creepy? I don’t want to know about my relatives’ sex lives.”
I doubt you need to worry about it, because I would imagine their sex lives are not worth knowing about. I’m a noisy fuck myself, but not a screamer. I think it’s normal to make some spontaneous sounds of ecstasy, pleasure, love, giggles, soft moans, with a few “oh my God’s” thrown in. I do put on music and tone it down if my daughter is home, but she knows if I am having sex! I had a roommate at one time and my daughter’s bedroom was in the middle between hers and mine. At one point both I and my roommate were having sex at the same time and my girl was “forced” to hear the sounds coming from both directions. We laughed about it for days and she would still think it was funny. So creepy? Hardly. Methinks you may be a little repressed yourself.
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So creepy? Hardly. Methinks you may be a little repressed yourself.
I’d rather be “repressed” than hear people I’m related to having sex loudly, thank you very much. This is a natural reaction biologically, because children of close relatives have a higher risk of genetic defects.
Actually, come to think of it, I think you are creepy, too. You make me cringe more than David Alexander does.
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“I’d rather be “repressed” than hear people I’m related to having sex loudly, thank you very much.This is a natural reaction biologically, because children of close relatives have a higher risk of genetic defects.”
I hate to tell you, but you’re going to have to do an awful lot of research to make any kind of scientific correlation between a child hearing their parent(s) having sex and genetic defects.
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you’re going to have to do an awful lot of research to make any kind of scientific correlation between a child hearing their parent(s) having sex and genetic defects.
The distaste for sexual “knowledge” and “sharing” between parents and children is very real, however, and the reason for the feeling of distaste is because people have known for a long time that incest leads to defective children.
If you can’t see what’s creepy about asking someone if their parents “share all that great afterglow” with that person, well… best of luck with that non-repression to you then.
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I think the sex creepiness is in your mind. I was exaggerating just a bit to make a point, but not much. Here are some links about incest in tribal societies where parents routinely have sex within earshot and sometimes eyeshot of their parents. Even chimpanzees go to great lengths to avoid incest. So I still think you’ve got an issue there judging on your response, but it doesn’t surprise me that you don’t want to see it. Like I said, few are even aware of their hang ups. It’s just my opinion of course!
http://www.tru.ca/ae/php/phil/mclaughl/students/phil224/cm/ethics2.htm
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/kinkysex.htm
http://rollason.seikilos.com.ar/Australian_folklore.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=DdgKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=tribal+incest&source=web&ots=qRuf0p2wgU&sig=MRur3vmwspAZZls2aZW2y7ADOJM&hl=en
http://telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/indian24.htm
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271 correction: “…within earshot and sometimes eyeshot of their parents.”
Obviously I meant children.
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Your first link pretty much backs up exactly what I wrote. At this point I feel sorry for your kids. Then again, most kids grow up to rebel against their parents.
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I hate to disappoint you but I have a jealous-worthy relationship with my daughter.
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I am sure… /backs away slowly.
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Also, in total we’re not as far apart as you make it seem — as I said several times above, female attractiveness varies culturally, but only within strict parameters of health, body type, fitness, etc. that probably are governed by evolution.
Male attractiveness, the same way, but physical attractiveness is less overwhelmingly important for women than men, although still very important.
No point continuing this though, thanks for playing!
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Hope,
“The distaste for sexual “knowledge” and “sharing” between parents and children is very real, however, and the reason for the feeling of distaste is because people have known for a long time that incest leads to defective children.”
I’m anxiously awaiting the scientific research to back up your opinion that I am somehow contributing to the proliferation of genetic abnormalities via incest. It’s not like you to just rely on your “feelings”. Where is the proof?
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You find many blk men in adult films because they are men and are not held to the same set of standards. It does not matter how big the pool is, some people will not do those types of movies. It is almost impossible to find African women in those types of movies(blk XX) because African culture does not permit this type of garbage. If an African woman makes films of that kind, no man will marry her.
In most African(not AA) cultres , having a child out of wedlock is a very big no-no. So there is no genetic linking between blacks and out of wedlock births. It is a cultural phenom that has come about in the last 40-50 years. In the 1920’s 90 percent of all AA children were born in two parent homes(there are studies for this). Look at European countires like Sweeden and Iceland both have a high percentage of children being born out of wedlock, so what does this say about them. Swedish women also have a lot of sexual freedom so what does this say about them? OWB are a result of social change as women in Sweden and Iceland and even the United States combined with AA(not all) lack of trust for the medical system.
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mq:
I await the cites to the extensive neuroscience literature that confirm this discovery.
i don’t need no steenkin cites for something so commonsensical.
or: getting a promotion does not give men boners like a lapdance from a hot stripper.
but if it’s studies you want there are plenty of penile pleismograph ones out there for you to google.
Seriously, you have no idea whether this is true and your claim that it is has more to do with your elaborate and ongoing intellectual war with internet feminists than any examination of reality.
the boner intiation module is an involuntary mechanism. when a man looks at a pretty naked woman, breathes her in, and caresses her soft skin, he doesn’t have to concentrate on making his dick turgid. it just happens. alternatively, when he’s in his mind thinking about sex his concentration is on the gyrations and curves and wet spots of the woman’s body as he impales her, not focused on his disembodied member in an effort to will it to lively existence.
now of course there are exceptions like the gigolo who has practiced, through supreme willpower, the art of getting hard in the presence of sexually undesirable women, but even there it can be assumed he does this by substituting the visual of his client for a mental image of a girl he finds attractive.
I was really disgusted when I was offered fried grasshopper to eat, even though it is a frequent snack in lots of cultures and perfectly edible. I had a friend who threw up when she discovered she’d eaten dog, even though it’s fine meat. Socially determined food taboos *really do* affect the way your stomach feels, just like peoples socially determined relations with others *really do* affect their erections.
no.
socially determined relations (like, say, with your hot boss) will affect whether you act on your boner impulse, not the boner itself.
in the cases of exceptions to that rule, like love for a sibling, there is evidence that we are cortically hardwired to be repulsed by sex with close family members based partly on pheremones and other stimuli.
the sex center in a male brain is primarily activated by visual stimulation so your food analogy would only work if we experienced hunger pangs only when we either saw food or mentally visualized food.
My friend’s nausea to the point of puking was just as real as your erection.
but her puke reflex engaged only *after* she was told what kind of food she ate. had she remained in the dark she would never have psyched herself into revulsion.
therefore, for your analogy to work, i would have had to have slept willingly with a hot chick only to find out later that she really had a penis i had somehow missed. in reality, the odds of that happening are very slim, so the involuntary sexual response is calibrated accurately enough for my generalization to hold.
You’re working off a simplistic and juvenile intellectual model in which the social and the biological exist in totally separate boxes and never affect one another.
why have i never been aroused by an obese women when all the social cues point in the direction of embracing the “fat is beautiful” ethic?
But they interpenetrate completely — social status is affected by lots of biological cues (more attractive people find it easier to get social status),
that’s because biology holds primacy.
and biological cues are modified and affected by social learning (what counts as attractive is partially determined by social status).
for a woman, yes. but we all know that a woman’s attraction mechanism is a bit more complicated than a man’s.
for the vast majority of men, the attraction to a .7 waist to hip ratio, youth, clear skin, big eyes, and an hourglass figure and nice tits is as biologically ingrained as anything in a human can be.
No contradiction (this interaction is actually obvious in pickup). Social and biological are not opposites, they work together.
please tell me the next time you see a pickup artist fucking a 90 year old woman.
But within those cues there is room for a social effect. It’s like language: we have a biologically programmed facility for language, human language and speech varies only within strict biological limits, but which specific language we speak is socially determined.
i think you are overestimating the social effect and underestimating the biologically grounded visual cues. i needed no socialization when i hit puberty to convince me that hot slender babes were the shiznit.
I’m not talking about the conscious adult “search for status”, I’m talking about status cues that you absorb unconsciously early in life.
describe these early in life subconscious status cues.
So Jenna Jameson is the ne plus ultra of feminine beauty, for always and everywhere, just because she causes some American frat boy to pop a boner? Silly.
she can cause a lot more men than that to pop a boner.
The biggest problem with cheap internet “evolutionary psychology” is that it always ends up demonstrating that the inevitable, natural, evolutionarily programmed way to behave is what the typical Republican American male circa 2008 already believes is correct.
funny how many democrat males have the same taste in women as republican males.
Now you are trying to convince us that the universal, timeless standard for feminine beauty is what a suburban, middle-class, white American male of today likes to watch in the most widely mass-marketed American porn. Ummm, right.
porn is an excellent metric for measuring what really turns men on because it is a functioning sexual market. that is, men are choosing which kinds of porn to watch to get them off, stripped of all the prettified and equalist socialization bullshit that feminists desperately cling to. if men are choosing thin girls over fat chicks (and there are enough fatty fucker sites out there that the choice is available) then that would be reflected in the hit counters. but they’re not. thin babes rule. a universal standard must be at work.
note that this is a separate question from racial preferences in women, which, while still adhering to the basic formula for female attractiveness i write about, show some marginal variance. for instance, a man of one race may have a slight preference for a woman of the same race.
but from what i’ve read, the racial variance is dwarfed by the universal beauty standards.
Nothing in a boy responding lustfully to an hourglass figure and a luscious thigh contradicts in the slightest what I said.
it sure does. it’s existence proof that socialization has squat to do with boner initiation.
i mean, dude, it’s not like i purposefully decided one fine morning in my dewy youth to be attracted to a certain type of woman. it just happened, like the urge to take a shit!
I mean, there are men out there who pop boners from looking at women’s feet, and you’re going to tell us all that there is no cultural, personal history, impact on what arouses people, that it’s all programmed, invariant, and the same in everyone.
there are men who fuck corpses too. but these exceptions only serve to prove the rule.
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Weak. You’re relying on a whole bunch of unexamined assumptions that social = voluntary and planned, biological = involuntary and unplanned, upbringing and education don’t affect instincts at all, etc. that are just not true. You also keep trying to draw some kind of distinction between a world where female attractiveness is totally a matter of opinion and one where it is completely pre-programmed and the same to everyone everywhere. Obviously neither extreme is the case.
You basically have no idea what I’m describing by saying something is “socially determined”. You think it is a conscious decision to sleep with your boss because she outranks you. I’m talking about finding someone’s bearing, skin color, tone of voice, body language, attractive because you associate them with being high class. These are totally different.
Just because you can’t imagine being different than you are doesn’t mean the entire world is just like you. It just means you’re not all that imaginative or observant.
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Respectfully…what do you care what other men like and why is it your business?
There are plenty of men out there who don’t cheat on their wives and who aren’t in the constant looking-for-the-one-up mentality. And there are plenty of men out there whose dating preferences are completely different from yours. And it’s not because they have low self-esteem and it’s not because they’re afraid to leave their comfort zone.
Men who are truly men tend to have a set of core beliefs about themselves which they will not change because that would mean changing who they are. Apparently your core beliefs include “I will cheat on my wife. I will have a stable of women to choose from. I will associate myself with nothing but the best. “The best” is nearly 100% looks-based.” But other men have different core beliefs. Another man’s might include “I do not cheat on my wife. I buy her pearls whether she likes them or not. I am The Dad.” (hi dad.)
It seems to me that the common denominator in manhood is that he has unshakeable core beliefs. NOT that his beliefs conform to yours. And frankly men are losing sight of that fact. There’s way too many men anymore willing to let someone else tell them what they like and don’t like and what they think is valuable or not.
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“It is almost impossible to find African women in those types of movies(blk XX) because African culture does not permit this type of garbage. If an African woman makes films of that kind, no man will marry her.”
I can accept this about African culture, but I was strictly referring to AA women and the viability of them doing porn if there was such a demand.
“In most African(not AA) cultres , having a child out of wedlock is a very big no-no. So there is no genetic linking between blacks and out of wedlock births.”
I never brought up the idea of genetics and OWB.
“It is a cultural phenom that has come about in the last 40-50 years. In the 1920’s 90 percent of all AA children were born in two parent homes(there are studies for this). Look at European countires like Sweeden and Iceland both have a high percentage of children being born out of wedlock, so what does this say about them. Swedish women also have a lot of sexual freedom so what does this say about them?”
To answer your questions, I would suggest that Swedish and Icelandic cultures are probably permissive enough to allow porn for their women, too.
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Well, I’m late to this party, but I will say a few things of minimal value.
gom jabbar? moloko? No offense dude, but that is way too many scifi references for you to be a natural. I don’t think anyone’s read dune in twenty years. Nothing wrong with having learned game rather than been born with it, of course, but it is kind of funny how you go after betas. I suppose the themes of human potential development in Dune might appeal to someone who made himself cool… As for Clockwork Orange, that fits perfectly.
sestamibi: thanks for the warning. Granted that a nerd woman is a bad idea, then, what sort of wife works best? I guess someone with a high empathizing quotient to quote Baron Cohen, but wouldn’t it be really hard to have a relationship with someone so disparate from myself?
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“Granted that a nerd woman is a bad idea, then, what sort of wife works best? I guess someone with a high empathizing quotient to quote Baron Cohen, but wouldn’t it be really hard to have a relationship with someone so disparate from myself?”
Yes, it would be hard, but you could always cheat on her. A woman with a “high empathizing” quotient is hopefully your mother. Someone always there for you ready to say “poor baby”, even if you cheat on her. Is that the kind of empathizing you’re referring to? A woman can be compassionate and a great mother to actual children, but most hate the role of mother to their husbands. This can naturally occur though as the couple ages and sex is not such a huge thing any longer. Then her love may be more akin of a mother’s love for her son, but that comes way later in life.
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No no no…I understand what you’re thinking but I was referring to Simon Baron Cohen’s empathizing-systematizing theory, that autistic people are what happens when two people who are high in systematizing have kids, so as a nerd (with high systematizing) I have to marry a woman who is high in empathizing to avoid having autistic children. (google it)
I actually would prefer a nerd woman (more in common), but if my kids aren’t going to be able to learn to talk…
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No worries, I often take things the wrong way, it seems. Blogging and emails are not the best way to communicate. Know nothing about Cohen’s theory, but there is a theory that autism comes from Mercury poisoning via vaccinations.
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I’m retiring my name as someone is impersonating me, but I was getting tired of it, so whomever you are, enjoy!
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Good grief. He’s not afraid to touch her.
The doofus in the photo is making fun of the short girl in front of him. He’s holding his arm funny to emphasis her lack of height and she has her arms crossed and pretending to be more annoyed then she probably is by the perpetual short jokes.
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Poor guy – hope he doesn’t read this.
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I’ll give the crossed-armed girl an 8, and the one on the right a 4. She is tall, not fat, and her lower body looks like it might not be very badly shaped.
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“I also do not think large numbers of Indian men find it hot either. ”
You’re wrong. They DO find it hot.
Facial attractiveness transcends all racial lines. Everyone will vote the same face to be attractive, no matter what the race or culture of the face or the voter.
Now on body shape, there is SOME cultural variability to what is attractive vs. not. In America, a thin, slender look is tops, while in India, there may be a bit of bias towards a voluptuous, plumper figure, with DD breasts (bot NOT fat, in any way). Check out some of the Bollywood actresses before the year 2000. Shorter and more voluptuous than a modern American actress like Jennifer Anniston or Teri Hatcher.
But this variation is slight. Not huge.
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[…] have been photos of alpha males and beta males here at the Chateau before, but never has there been a photo of the two species of man so starkly […]
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Alpha males just try to make Beta males feel bad because Alpha’s realise they could never be as smart so they have to make up for it with fake ‘strength’.
I love beta males, I really dislike alpha’s.
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