It’s pretty clear what women want — a man with means, good genes, romantic swings, and daddy dreams.* When she finds him she’ll want marriage, home, and kids in a nice neighborhood. That is a woman’s formula for happiness in life. Since I am a giver and a humanitarian I offer the following advice to women to help them achieve happiness.
Don’t move to the big city
After college women move into the big cities on the coasts to find an alpha male husband because that is where the high status men concentrate. We have studies proving this. There are two problems with this strategy. One, there aren’t enough alpha males to marry all the women who want them. If you put all the alphas into a small bar there would be a rock concert sized throng of women outside bribing the doorman to let them in. The numbers just don’t add up. But since women will cling to their dream of snagging one of these guys many flush away their best years fucking around fruitlessly in the dating market and wind up alone at the cusp of hitting the wall.
Two, what few alphas there are won’t demand anything less than the hottest chicks they can afford. Since most women really aren’t that pretty they have no chance of getting an alpha male to commit, so they suffer the ignominy and emotional grind of getting pumped and dumped by men who play the pussy carousel.
My advice: If you are in the 85% of single women who aren’t an 8 or above don’t bother moving to the city. Stay in your small town and meet a man there. Trust me, I am saving you a lot of heartache and wasted years with this valuable advice. For the rest of you who are genuinely hot, moving to the city makes sense; your odds of marrying a Mr. Big there are better than average.
Don’t get a grad school degree
The more education women get, the more money they earn, and the higher their status rises. Because women “date up”, this has the unfortunate effect of shrinking their dating pool. The higher they climb the status ladder, the fewer men they will find above them suitable for marriage. Result: Women with advanced degrees have fewer children and stay single longer. Eventually, this trend will reverse as educated women contribute less of their genes to future generations, but my advice is for women who want happiness now.
If you are a smart girl it’s better to satisfy your intellectual cravings by reading books on your leisure time instead of getting your smarts credentialed by a university, like the way high class girls used to do in the past. Women who worry that without higher education they will be left financially strapped in a cold world should consider that men are more likely to provide for them if they feel their resources and support are needed. The male protector and provider instinct is a strong one when it is manipulated by a weaker woman.
Caveat: If you are an ugly woman, go to grad school. You’ll need the better job prospects.
Invest in cosmetic repair
Since we’re talking about how to maximize women’s happiness based on the formula Alpha Husband + Children + Home = Happy, the most efficient and effective way to achieve this is through surgical beauty enhancement. It makes more sense for a woman who ranks lower than a 7 to spend her money on cosmetic surgery that will immediately earn her the sexual attention of thousands more men than what she was used to, than to spend her money on shoes, clothes, and European vacations which do nothing to help her land a quality husband.
If you think this is superficial, it is. I have nothing to say to you except get your head out of the clouds.
Don’t run marathons
Marathon running must violate the first law of thermodynamics, because every woman I’ve met who has said she is training for a marathon was chubby. All that running around aimlessly for miles must put on weight. Note: Does not apply to women training for a triathlon. These women are universally fit and slender.
Don’t watch TV
TV has done more to bloat women’s expectations than anything else in American culture. In real life, Carrie Bradshaw is horsefaced and does not land a millionaire. Samantha is over the hill and infertile from being riddled with STDs. The bachelor on The Bachelor: London Calling fucks all 25 women and leaves them for an 18 year old stripper in Vegas. You’ll never find happiness if you think reality is a sassy TV show.
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If I’ve made even one woman happier after reading this and following my advice, I’ll feel like I’ve saved a life. Sometimes I’m so generous with my heart it makes me weep with pride.
Bonus: My advice to men
You deserve a 10!
*It took me three hours to craft that poetry.
My advice to girls: don’t stay with a guy who doesn’t love you, and whom you don’t love.
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Gannon’s advice: if you are really serious about marriage, don’t marry later than 25, which means that you must start looking seriously no later than at the age of 20. A woman’s party years are between 14-19, not between 14-30. Past 25, a woman will have to settle with a man of lower quality (compared to what she could have gotten between 16-24).
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How about – approach men you like, directly. A simple solution to a stupid problem.
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Four out of five: The only repair work I’ve had done is a tooth veneer.
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I’m DOOOOOOOOOOMED! Oh no!
How about this advice for the ladies:
Don’t listen to random blowhards on the Internet, instead, figure out on your own what makes you happy. Husband and kids in the burbs? Cool. Deluxe apartment in the sky? Cool.
Internalizing the “Marry Young! Marry Now! Look seriously or else!” message will lead you to make decisions out of fear. Such as marrying the wrong person, which is far, far worse than never marrying at all.
If you marry young, because that’s the way your life shook out, fine. But trying to arrange a lifelong commitment before a deadline, like it’s an item on your checklist, is just going to screw you over.
All these people telling you to marry by 25/30/whenever before your looks fade and your boobs hang down to your belt? They’re idiots. They’ve never really contemplated the fact that about 40% of first marriages end in divorce. And, from there, second marriages have a 60% failure rate, and it goes up with each subsequent marriage (interesting slice of human nature there – not only do people NOT learn from their mistakes, they screw up more and more each time they try).
So marry the right person on your own timeline, because divorce sucks far more than the Roissies of the world can know.
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Humanitarian my ass! This post was fucking funny.
On the serious tip, plastic surgery is usually an immediate disqualifier for wife material. I need to know the genes I’m getting are 100% au naturale and will be passed on to my kids along with my own marvelous genetic make up. If the wife is popping out kids with busted noses and recessed chins, I gotta wonder. Who has she been fucking? Beauty should reflect the robustness and health of underlying genes and cosmetic surgery is misleading in this respect. Plastic surgery on a gf or a pump and dump is no big deal but once we start talking about the perpetuation of the species that’s a different matter.
No one deserves anything in this world. Not food, nor clothing, not even fucking “rights.” Its survival of the fittest bitches.
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Coincidence …. or something worse?
Let’s look at the situation. Yesterday, a blogger posted something on a different blog that was highly critical of your pal Roosh. Today, you come out with this “advice to women” post in which three of the pieces of advice are things which this Roosh-disliking blogger has “violated” (as clearly noted on her blog).
Yes, it could be just a coincidence, especially since I can’t explain how you would have become aware of the Roosh-critical blog posting. You don’t link directly to the blog in question, though it’s one link-generation away. But if it is not mere coincidence, this was a pretty low thing to do.
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Oh Gannon,
What with your appreciation of 14- and 15-year-old girls, should you ever come to America with our pesky age of consent laws, here is a book you might find useful.
You’re welcome.
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The reason marathons are horrible for women is that they eat up muscle. When you run for that long and hard, you go past fat burning and carb burning and start eating up muscle. It’s why bodybuilders won’t do marathon running. The only way to keep muscle when marathon running is to ingest enough protein in your diet to spare muscle, but most women don’t know this. Now the irony is that while you will lose weight marathon training, since you lose mostly muscle you will actually end up with a higher body fat percentage even though you actually weigh less, because you lost more muscle than you did fat and water. And since you lost so much muscle mass, you actually end up with a lower metabolism after the marathon than you had before. Muscle mass increases your metablism, so of course muscle loss decreases it. So now, post-marathon, they not only have a higher body-fat percentage but they have a lower metabolism to boot, plus now they are done training so they’re going to be burning significantly less calories. Combine all these three things and you have a recipe for lots of weight gain now post-marathon.
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Please share with the rest of the class Peter.
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@T: nevertheless, all real martahon runners are thin.
@Peter: how are your flea infested snatches? Actually, I think you are a closet homosexual. I’m not impressed by you, and in real life I would beat the shit out of an anoiying obnoxious piece of shit like you.
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My advice: Don’t have kids with a loser male, unless you have no alternative! The guy should have at least 1 alpha level quality- be it looks or money. Both strategies are helpful in an evolutionary sense- one is more helpful for girls, the other is more helpful for boys.
1) If you get impregnated by a guy with looks, at least your kids (especially daughters) have a higher chance of being good looking. Don’t kid yourself, for daughters (and to only a slightly lesser degree) good facial bone structure is absolutely crucial for long term quality of life issues; you don’t want them to end up like that chick in the picture some call ‘warpig’ and have them rightfully blame you for their misery.
2) If you get impregnated by a guy with money, at least your kids will likely inherit some of that wealth. This is not that essential for daughters but is great for sons, especially with respect to allowing your sons to get his own high quality alpha female for mating/sex.
If you get impregnated by a guy with neither, all I can say is how stupid and selfish are you, and you probably don’t give a damn about your potential kids! You, the woman, are the gatekeeper for sex and procreation SO SHAME ON YOU!
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From point 1 in post #12: ‘and to only a slightly lesser degree’ should be: ‘and to only a slightly lesser degree, sons too’
in the context of the importance of looks.
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My other piece of advice: Try not to become a single Mom.
Your chances of getting a subsequent guy who’ll be an alpha are severely diminished! But, if you got impregnated by a guy with money, at least you’ll be a lot better taken care of financially than if you got impregnated by a guy who’s broke. If you become a single Mom and the Father of the kid wasn’t rich, go to grad school, like Roissy says. You’re going to need the education because a lot of guys just won’t be as interested in helping you as much since the single motherhood issue will take points away from you on the sexual totem pole. Remember Ladies, you are the gatekeepers for sex and procreation so spread your legs wisely.
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“They’ve never really contemplated the fact that about 40% of first marriages end in divorce. And, from there, second marriages have a 60% failure rate, and it goes up with each subsequent marriage (interesting slice of human nature there – not only do people NOT learn from their mistakes, they screw up more and more each time they try).”
That’s faulty logic. Of people who have divorced once, only 60% divorce again, which means that people learn from their mistakes. If, say, 80% of the twice-divorced and thrice-married divorce, it again means that some people (20%) have learned their lesson.
The Pareto principle suggests that 20% of people account for 80% of divorces. Most marriages end in death.
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Gannon – It depends. A “real” marathon runner might know all about the proper nutrition to retain muscle mass, or may mix in cross training or muscle building activities, or may run marathons so continually that she never gets a chance to put on the weight. But if you are a working woman that only does the occasional marathon and doesn’t religiously research the effects on metabolism, you’ll get the effects I describe. I really doubt the working women who run the occasional marathon are ingesting .75 grams of protein per pound of lean body weight and doing the proper nutritional research. They’re probably eating power bars and salads.
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More advice to women & men: If you’re really ugly, please don’t put kids into this world (even if you’re really rich)!
The potential kids didn’t do anything wrong and don’t deserve your facial bone structure and the awful life that will likely follow with it. Adopt, if you must! The world will go on without your ‘vaunted’ genes in it!
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Looks matter–you know this, I know this, we all know this. But advocating plastic surgery? Isn’t this more deceptive than makeup? Do you want a woman with fake tits and a face that has been tortured within an inch of death? I have never seen good plastic surgery…ever. I will just live with the flaws I have instead of inflicting more on myself.
You are quite the humanitarian, though. I am currently packing my bags and moving to the midwest.
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12 anon1: “good facial bone structure is absolutely crucial for long term quality of life issues”
Are you serious? I’m assuming you watch a lot of television with the sound off.
“My other piece of advice: Try not to become a single Mom.”
In your case, I would keep my legs closed under any circumstances.
5 Shannon: As usual you are one of the few voices of reason around here.
15 jlovborg: “Most marriages end in death.”
Literally or figuratively. “Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.”
– Henry David Thoreau
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“You are quite the humanitarian, though. I am currently packing my bags and moving to the midwest.”
Hey, Lemmonex, let’s move to the midwest together! We can work in a factory, share an apartment, and wear cool sweaters, just like Laverne and Shirley. Wait, did Laverne and Shirley score any alpha males?
jlovborg:
“That’s faulty logic. Of people who have divorced once, only 60% divorce again, which means that people learn from their mistakes. If, say, 80% of the twice-divorced and thrice-married divorce, it again means that some people (20%) have learned their lesson.”
That’s one way to interpret the data. I would say, though, that if people learned from their mistakes, we would see a lower divorce rate for subsequent marriages. I’m looking at individuals (micro vs. macro).
OK, I’ve been married once. Let’s say I get remarried (I know I’m over the hill and doomed, but this is an imaginary example). My marriage has a 60% chance of failure and a 40% chance of success. This is the inverse of where I’d be if I’d never been married before. So, I didn’t learn my lesson, and I screw up more the harder I try. Bleak, huh?
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Literally, Candy Cane. Well, at least most (60%) first marriages, like Shannon said. There is a smallish subset of people who do almost all the divorcing.
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“One, there aren’t enough alpha males to marry all the women who want them.”
Another great reason to have voluntary eugenics. We can simply mass produce the various alpha male and alpha female phenotypes so there willl be a lot less competition for a much greater supply of both.
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If you’re giving advice to less-than-beautiful women from an evo-bio standpoint, wouldn’t the best advice be to marry a decent beta provider, cheat on him like crazy with alpha males — being careful not to get caught, of course — and then have the cuckold raise the other men’s children? Sure, it’s despicable from an ethical standpoint, but as long as you’re being brutally honest, you might as well go all the way.
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“If you’re giving advice to less-than-beautiful women from an evo-bio standpoint, wouldn’t the best advice be to marry a decent beta provider, cheat on him like crazy with alpha males — being careful not to get caught, of course — and then have the cuckold raise the other men’s children? ”
It is too easy to get a paternity test nowadays. You can even get one over the counter and send the specimen in for testing to a lab. If the woman gets caught, the beta male will potentially leave and leave her with a bastard child to raise on her own. From a financial and social standpoint, this could be devastating for the woman’s long term outlook, especially as a newly minted single mom.
Also, true alpha males should not fuck with beta females. They can get alpha females, and there is too high a risk of possible impregnation of a chick with worse genes than the alpha male’s genes. He would, in essence, be procreating ‘down,’ so to speak, and that’s not in his interest. Alphas should get a prostitute or use the hand. By th way, why would an alpha male want his potential progeny blaming him for not looking as good as he does? A true alpha male has to consider stuff like this too if her cares about his progeny and cross generational longitudinal viability of his genotype. If I’m telling women to think about this stuff when having kids, alpha men should, too.
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“More advice to women & men: If you’re really ugly, please don’t put kids into this world (even if you’re really rich)!
The potential kids didn’t do anything wrong and don’t deserve your facial bone structure and the awful life that will likely follow with it. Adopt, if you must! The world will go on without your ‘vaunted’ genes in it!
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-close to being a Nazi, except without the racism. If ugly people want to have kids, more power to them.
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Shannon, people differ in their divorce-proneness. Those who screw up one or more marriages are probably more likely to come from one-parent homes, to be less educated, have lower IQs, etc. (actually I have no data to back this up, but I’d be surprised if there weren’t some strong correlations).
So the 40% who have divorced once are not a random sample of the entire population but rather a bunch of people who were more divorce-prone than the average in the first place. Similarly, those who have two or more divorces under their belt are even less representative of the entire population in their divorce-proneness.
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“-close to being a Nazi, except without the racism. If ugly people want to have kids, more power to them.”
Nice try but Nazi ideology is involuntary in nature. I am simply dispensing advice, and people may take it or leave it- but the ramifications of said actions are true nonetheless, as are the horrid lives of chicks who look like the ‘warpig’.
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‘as are the horrid lives’ and long term prospects, I might add of those chicks
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It seems like you’re saying that men want nothing more than a pretty object to look at and fuck. We should just bide our time and work a crappy job, spending all our money on cosmetic procedures, until a man comes along. Then, our pretty little uneducated, unwordly selves get to have the ultimate prize: raising children in the suburbs and a husband that only values our looks.
Please tell me I drew the wrong conclusion here.
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anonymous1
You’re laying it on just a little too thick, hon.
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MM, that’s about it. But you left out the part where we’re supposed to be giggly and girly. And Russian.
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Then, our pretty little uneducated, unwordly selves get to have the ultimate prize: raising children in the suburbs and a husband that only values our looks.
It is established as a consensus on this blog that “alpha” males only value women for their looks and “femininity” (which involves being submissive, acting coy, and accepting anal sex). But these alpha males would likely not want to get married in the first place. If they do, they shall trade for a young and beautiful wife after the previous wife’s looks fade with age.
Contrariwise, a husband material is one who is typically called a “beta” male on this blog. He is emotional, not an asshole, a decent provider and values women for more than their looks, but supposedly no normal woman wants him. If a woman does marry him, she will cheat on him with alpha males or divorce him, taking the kids who might not even be his biological offspring as well as all his money.
It is stated on this blog that it is the biological destiny of humanity that beautiful females get the alpha males, who sow their seeds while the beta males and ugly females weep. Alas, life is cruel, and the aforementioned are undisputed facts. Hence you should not question any of these premises. To do so would make you look foolish, because only beta males and ugly females question the alphas!
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To tack on to what Hope so beautifully said:
You can be one of the very few powerful alphas (male or female), and lead an existence in which you use and trample others. Or you can be one of the many, many betas and have a chance at a stable, long-term loving relationship. But that means you have to be a beta.
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Lemmonex, I’m willing to bet you’ve seen tons of good plastic surgery. The problem is, when it’s good, you have no idea what you’re seeing is plastic surgery. The very essence of good plastic surgery is that it’s not noticeable. For example who can honestly say Marilyn Monroe’s plastic surgery was bad? Jake Gyllenhall got a new nose a few years ago and it was very well done. Scarlett Johanssen had plastic surgery too, just well done. Same with J. Lo’s nose. We notice plastic surgery when it’s done badly and don’t notice it when it’s done well, which creates the illusion that you’ve never seen good plastic surgery.
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*It took me three hours to craft that poetry.
The quintessential definition of “A waste of time.”
And surely you don’t believe that mere betas deserve 10s. This only perpetuates the problem: every smelly, unsocialized hairy-backed troll on the planet thinks he deserves Heidi Klum, despite the fact that he brings nothing whatsoever to the table. Women ain’t the only ones with unrealistic expectations….
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“pussy carousel” lol
Awesome advice. I like the supporting advice.
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shit.. i mean supporting EVIDENCE
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DF:
beauty should reflect the robustness and health of underlying genes and cosmetic surgery is misleading in this respect.
true, but this is a post for helping women be happy, which is not always the same thing as what makes our genes happy (see: condoms, world of warcraft rankings). i agree that if you want kids a cosmetically redesigned woman is a major deception but at least she’ll be nice to look at.
peter:
Coincidence …. or something worse?
Let’s look at the situation. Yesterday, a blogger posted something on a different blog that was highly critical of your pal Roosh. Today, you come out with this “advice to women” post in which three of the pieces of advice are things which this Roosh-disliking blogger has “violated” (as clearly noted on her blog).
it’s a coincidence. i wasn’t aware (still not aware) of a blog post from another blogger critical of roosh. i don’t read that many blogs. i mostly re-read my own over and over because i’m a narcissist. now i’m curious, what other blogger are you referring to?
lovely lemmonex:
But advocating plastic surgery? Isn’t this more deceptive than makeup?
it is, but like i told DF this post is about making women happy, not men.
Do you want a woman with fake tits and a face that has been tortured within an inch of death?
having been with a woman who had fake tits i’ll just say… yes and no. she looked great in a sweater, but naked it was like grabbing two rocks with nipples.
I will just live with the flaws I have instead of inflicting more on myself.
you’re too cute to qualify for plastic surgery. sorry.
You are quite the humanitarian, though. I am currently packing my bags and moving to the midwest.
see, this is why my advice for women is sincere — it goes against my interests! if all you girls left DC i would be stuck with no one to watch sunsets with.
and who would watch family guy with me?
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Peter said: “Yesterday, a blogger posted something on a different blog that was highly critical of your pal Roosh.”
Dude, can we get a link? Blogger infighting is always entertaining.
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I just laughed really hard. In a good way, of course. Thank you!
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A lot of women find that when they have children they can somtimes destroy a marriage and also take away any free time that she has.
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T: I dunno, still a risk. I see your point, but it goes horribly wrong too often.
Roissy: Oh, you flatter me. Also, my mommy told me never to trust a man who has to reassure me he is sincere.
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I will say I agree with Roissy’s #5…
TV is not the route to happiness. Aside from it warping your expectations, anyone notice how boring people get when they’re talking about their favorite TV show?
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A lot of overweight women train for marthons with the hope that they will become thin through running and diet changes.
I have read blogs where women argue that they are willing to enter polygamous(sp) relationships in order to be with an Alpha male.
I think that many of the men on this blog don’t understand what type of men women consider Alpha. It seems that some of you have crafted your own definition.
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Hope
My advice to girls: don’t stay with a guy who doesn’t love you, and whom you don’t love
Hope I don’t agree I think that is best if a woman marries a man who loves her more. Its a much safer bet for a long term marriage. Why some women can not stay with a man who treats them well, I will never understand.
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Peter can you give me the link please.
Don’t listen to random blowhards on the Internet, instead, figure out on your own what makes you happy. Husband and kids in the burbs? Cool. Deluxe apartment in the sky? Cool.
Shannon I so agree with you here .
Internalizing the “Marry Young! Marry Now! Look seriously or else!” message will lead you to make decisions out of fear. Such as marrying the wrong person, which is far, far worse than never marrying at all.
The reason why marriages fail here is because there is no longer any type of social stigma attached to divorce. How many of out grandparents married after knowing each other for a short time and managed to stay togeather for years and years. Today people say you should know another person for at least two years blah blah blah.
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“The reason why marriages fail here is because there is no longer any type of social stigma attached to divorce.”
There’s less of stigma, sure, but it’s a major stretch to say it’s nonexistent. After I got divorced, I had to deal with a few blank stares, a few married/coupled friends treating me as if my divorce was contagious, and a lot of self-righteous blowhards who talk about how divorce is the worst thing ever (never mind they’ve never been married themselves).
“How many of out grandparents married after knowing each other for a short time and managed to stay together for years and years.”
Yes, but life is drastically different than it was 60 years ago. People have more options in life: they can go away to school, men and women can have careers, they travel, they wait to settle down. There’s more than one way to live.
So people don’t have to latch themselves for life to the first person who says hello. I think there are plenty of overly picky people out there, sure, but I fail to see how having freedom of choice is a bad thing.
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) If you get impregnated by a guy with looks, at least your kids (especially daughters) have a higher chance of being good looking. Don’t kid yourself, for daughters (and to only a slightly lesser degree) good facial bone structure is absolutely crucial for long term quality of life issues; you don’t want them to end up like that chick in the picture some call ‘warpig’ and have them rightfully blame you for their misery
I have to agree.Looks matter a lot even to women. Men don’t fool yourselves, a broke Ten male can go as far in not further than a rich 6 or 7 with women.
Look at this guy^^^^^, he can go very far with women! To bad he is as dumb as a bag of rocks.
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Peter can you give me the link please.
I’d rather not, because then the blogger might get inundated with nasty comments.
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Just say no to blog wars!
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It depends. A “real” marathon runner might know all about the proper nutrition to retain muscle mass
I doubt if all of the Kenyan and Ethopian runners were putting this much research into marathon running when they started racing on the big circut.
Diet Diet Diet is the most important component when it comes to weight and the way we look. As someone mentioned many posts ago, the food coloring,additives and preservatives, low fruit and vegtables and high meat comsumption etc play a large part in the fact that so many Americans have bad skin.
anonymous 1
More advice to women & men: If you’re really ugly, please don’t put kids into this world (even if you’re really rich)!
The potential kids didn’t do anything wrong and don’t deserve your facial bone structure and the awful life that will likely follow with it. Adopt, if you must! The world will go on without your ‘vaunted’ genes in it
anonymous 1 please stop killing me with your posts. They are so funny and sadly true.
*hangs head in shame*
I have never seen good plastic surgery…ever. I will just live with the flaws I have instead of inflicting more on myself
@ Lemonex- what about Demi More she had about 600,000 dollars worth and she looks very good and very natural. So people go overboard or go to discount doctors who really jack them up.
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It seems like you’re saying that men want nothing more than a pretty object to look at and fuck. We should just bide our time and work a crappy job, spending all our money on cosmetic procedures, until a man comes along. Then, our pretty little uneducated, unwordly selves get to have the ultimate prize: raising children in the suburbs and a husband that only values our looks.
Please tell me I drew the wrong conclusion here.
I think you got it in one MM.
LOL @ hope comment #32. I’ve noticed that to although thats not to say that some of the men here write a number of good points too when talking about the way men view women.
Lemmonex, I’m willing to bet you’ve seen tons of good plastic surgery. The problem is, when it’s good, you have no idea what you’re seeing is plastic surgery. The very essence of good plastic surgery is that it’s not noticeable
Excellent T, this is what most people don’t realise.
Thank you anon 57 for comment #35.
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No way I’m reading through 50 comments.
1) Women should take dancing lessons and make a hobby of it. Ballet dancers age fantastically better than any other group. Plus, getting really good doesn’t require attending graduate school and getting credentialed — you just practice a lot.
2) The main reason why the percentage of good artists and scientists who are female is due to them going to grad school. Way back when, the professions and most nice jobs were off-limits to females — you either created art, investigated a science topic, or were a teacher / nurse / other helper.
Now females can do as they please, and the vacuum of law, business, and med school, plus all the phony-baloney grad programs females prefer (social work, ed, humanities) have sucked would-be female scientists and artists away.
You want to show how smart and hardworking you are? Be a stay-at-home mom who does mathematics research.
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So people don’t have to latch themselves for life to the first person who says hello. I think there are plenty of overly picky people out there, sure, but I fail to see how having freedom of choice is a bad thing
shannon
Its not, its just that people don’t want to wait around because they know they don’t have to. When you were divorced were treated a lot harsher than you were. It was actually somewhat diffcult for divorced women to get a second husband than it is now(w/WO kids).
Its the same way in many parts of the world where divorce is seen as bad as death. If your husband beats you, oh well don’t do what it was to make him made at you. If your wife had an affair divorce her if everyone knows or you are embarrased otherwise act like you don’t know. Or maybe skip town after going out for a pack of ciagareets(sp).
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OK, Peter thanks anyway.
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#24 anonymous1
It is too easy to get a paternity test nowadays. You can even get one over the counter and send the specimen in for testing to a lab. If the woman gets caught, the beta male will potentially leave and leave her with a bastard child to raise on her own.
My question was sort of tongue in cheek. Roissy advocates that men do whatever is necessary to be happy (i.e., have sex with more attractive women) as a consequence of his study of evo-bio, but seemed to stop short of advising women to do the same thing since that would mean endorsing cuckoldry. And I doubt any man, no matter how alpha he considers himself, will take that position.
As for paternity tests, that’s a good point, but… condoms fail, too. There are risks in the putative alpha lifestyle of pumping and dumping just as there would be risks for women attempting the cuckold bait-and-switch.
#33 Shannon
You can be one of the very few powerful alphas (male or female), and lead an existence in which you use and trample others. Or you can be one of the many, many betas and have a chance at a stable, long-term loving relationship. But that means you have to be a beta.
I don’t think Roissy’s worldview, exaggerated as it may be on this blog, disallows the possibility of an alpha having a stable, long-term loving relationship. You can still be alpha and be married, in other words. If anything, those types of marriages would be more successful — again, if I’m reading his viewpoint right — because they come from a place of genuine choice on the man’s part and not because he figures that the woman he’s marrying is the best he can do and that he’d better lock that up before she moves on. Having lots of options, in other words, means that an alpha is more likely to settle down with the woman who is right for him. The beta, in contrast, is less likely to be happy with his marriage — he probably overlooked a lot of negative qualities in order to find a woman willing to marry him, and she probably feels a nagging sense that she could do better.
I don’t know that I buy this view — I see the alpha/beta distinction as a gradient rather than an either/or prospect — but it is internally consistent.
And Peter, stop being a blog-tease.
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Lemmonex –
Check out this site about celebrities with good plastic surgery:
http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com
Bad plastic surgery is usually a result of insane people who don’t know when to stop and is the exception more than the norm. Check out that site and you’ll be astounded how widespread good plastic surgery actually is.
Here’s an example with Gisele Bundchen:
http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/archives/004911.html
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marathons, triathlons, rock climbing, and the like are inimical to youthful looks; the elements – of which sunshine is primum inter pares, though all are pernicious – will age you like no other. just as the camera adds ten pounds, as it were, the marathon/triathlon adds ten years. so, if** you value your youthful looks, then work out – but do so indoors, unless the skies are gray.
**this is a hypothetical, not an implication.
personally, i see little value in preserving youthful looks past a certain age – especially for the rapidly dwindling number who have formed solid families and are bound by more than mere physical attraction or financial dependence.
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45 chic noir
I think that is best if a woman marries a man who loves her more.
typical self-defeating predatory female attitude.
free translation for the men out there: “i want to marry a man whom i can manipulate effortlessly, and about whom i care so little that i won’t feel qualms about manipulating him.”
i dare you to try to make such a marriage last, without severe temptations to leave for greener pastures, destroying the family in the process – temptations which the vast majority of western women are far too unprincipled to resist.
public service announcement: whoever cares less about a relationship will always have the upper hand – but will also be the unhappier and more resentful of the two. pick your poison.
and by the way, mark my words: with western marriage increasingly becoming a cruel and ruinous joke on men, it won’t be long before suckers who ‘love her more’ are the only men still willing to marry at all.
Why some women can not stay with a man who treats them well, I will never understand.
let me help you out here: it’s because they follow the laws of attraction. unfortunately, female sexual desire is at best blind to, and at worst extinguished by, ‘being treated well’. therefore, women need a solid moral grounding, something which so few of today’s women have, to overcome the temptations of raw attraction and stay with such a man.
i’m glad i could help you out.
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i apologize for fucking up the italics.
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free translation for the men out there: “i want to marry a man whom i can manipulate effortlessly, and about whom i care so little that i won’t feel qualms about manipulating him
I am not into manipulating men. Having a man who cares about me more would make me feel more secure as I have no need to worry if he will leave me tomarrow because my feet smell.
johnny five – Do you hate women. Tell me what qualities you think make a good marriage.
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“Tell me what qualities you think make a good marriage.”
Yes, I’m (slightly) joking but since you asked and in no particular order:
1) subservience
2) great cooking
3) allowing infidelity for the man but being completely faithful yourself
4) strict dieting
5) strict exercise
6) laughing at all our attempts at humor
7) being maternalistic to our potential kids
8) looking beautiful
9) never refusing sex (esp. anal sex on demand) or using it as a leverage tool against a man
10) not arguing with a man
11) taking orders without question
A man’s ideal wish list : )
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12) Never under any circumstances, making a joke at our expense, especially in public
13) Don’t talk so fuking much- like an old male college friend would say, the main thing we want to see out of a woman’s mouths is overflow!
😉
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14) Complementing us all the time on how great we are, even if we don’t deserve it and especially during and after intercourse (which like I said, should be whenever we want it)
This is fun!
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okay, what qualitiesdo you think women like in a husband?
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public service announcement: whoever cares less about a relationship will always have the upper hand – but will also be the unhappier and more resentful of the two. pick your poison.
So true. You really need rough equality of attraction, plus good morals/principles, to make a relationship work.
I don’t think Roissy’s worldview, exaggerated as it may be on this blog, disallows the possibility of an alpha having a stable, long-term loving relationship…. I don’t know that I buy this view — I see the alpha/beta distinction as a gradient rather than an either/or prospect — but it is internally consistent.
No, I think Hope put her finger on something in 32, which is a great post. Roissy is just so misanthropic, there’s not a lot of room in his world view for much beyond power games and short-term lust. You can’t make a marriage out of that.
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#61 “Don’t talk so fuking much- like an old male college friend would say, the main thing we want to see out of a woman’s mouths is overflow!”
Make a habit of saying things like that in a woman’s hearing, Haha, and the only overflow you’re likely to see coming out of a woman’s mouth is vomit.
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“alias clio, you are hereby ordered to cease and desist your iritating & impious drivel as you have violated canons 1, 10, & 13. ”
“sorry, master man”
“you know the punishment!”
alias clio gets on all 4’s and prepares to accept the rear end salute to mankind.
sorry, couldn’t resist
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Time for a musical interlude! Not Safe for Listening To (unless you can close the office door.)
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I like Alias clio, and he writes very good comments.
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Having a man who cares about me more would make me feel more secure as I have no need to worry if he will leave me tomarrow because my feet smell.
and why would such a man, who, per your own conditions, loves you more than vice versa, not need to worry about you not leaving him because you suddenly find his stability and unwavering ability banal and stultifying (and, unless your relationship is very nontraditional, because you know he’ll still have to support you after you leave)?
there are two sides to every coin.
johnny five – Do you hate women. Tell me what qualities you think make a good marriage.
(1) i adore women.
(2) stay tuned, i’ll answer this later on.
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Actually, Haha, I think it’s Canon 12 that I was violating.
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and why would such a man, who, per your own conditions, loves you more than vice versa, not need to worry about you not leaving him because you suddenly find his stability and unwavering ability banal and stultifying (and, unless your relationship is very nontraditional, because you know he’ll still have to support you after you leave
because(sorry) I believe that the devil I do know is better than the angel I don’t know. What could another man give me when I have one at home that adores me and treats me very well? Life is banal, you get up M-F and go to work ,sleep ,eat and pooh, excitment comes in shorts burts.
I wrote earlier that I don’t get why a lot women don’t dig men who treat them well and bend over backwards for them. In my book, that type of man is a keeper.
I have noticed that many men will leave a nice woman for one that treats them like dirt. Why do a lot of men behave like this johnny five?
I hope you are not also haha
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69 Johnny Five
(1) i adore women.
(2) stay tuned, i’ll answer this later on.
#1 is bullshit
#2 is typical. You haven’t spent 1% as much time considering what you want in a relationship as you have in focusing on what you don’t want. Join 99% of the human population. Bottom line: you can’t get what you don’t know you want.
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roissy “having been with a woman who had fake tits i’ll just say… yes and no. she looked great in a sweater, but naked it was like grabbing two rocks with nipples.”
Is this really a yes? If looks are 99% or whatever astronomical percentage it is to you, wouldn’t this be more a yes? My ex who used to say frequently that I had perfect breasts went on to live with a woman with fake tits for 2 1/2 years. He said they felt like elbows! I failed to understand how he could go from my natural beauties to her fake tits, though he said the same thing, “they look great in a sweater”. Sorry, I cannot understand that. How much fun it is to fondle, suck, caress, make love with; an elbow?
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Roissy,
Sorry, you haven’t lived in Tokyo or Sapporo where what you say may or may not be true but people don’t care because they’re too busy traveling and having fun.
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Oh and Hong Kong rocks the top of my list in cities in which to live!
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Obviously, if we want to maximize the happiness of women, we should allow women to openly breed with an alpha male, and then force beta men to marry these women and raise the alpha offspring. This should ensure a solid gene pool that’s raised properly.
Women who worry that without higher education they will be left financially strapped in a cold world should consider that men are more likely to provide for them if they feel their resources and support are needed. The male protector and provider instinct is a strong one when it is manipulated by a weaker woman.
Roissy, I’m amazed that you even suggested this given that in many posts, you’ve complained about women who sponge off men. If anything, you should be proposing that more women go to school to relieve the financial burden of males.
As much as this hurts to say this, if you want to see men who will easily abandon women, go find some black men. Hell, my alpha male grandfather who was the mayor of our old home town in Haiti abandoned my mom and aunt for another woman in the town. A classic third world pump & dump…
It is established as a consensus on this blog that “alpha” males only value women for their looks and “femininity” (which involves being submissive, acting coy, and accepting anal sex). But these alpha males would likely not want to get married in the first place. If they do, they shall trade for a young and beautiful wife after the previous wife’s looks fade with age.
Despite this post’s efforts, this website is geared towards being a meeting place for people to talk about the dating scene in terms of the lust-fulled short-term relationship. Roissy’s doesn’t care about marriage, but about his tactics in finding his next prey. The rest of us are either here as curious and inquisitive visitors, fellow purveyors of game, or bored enough to try and debate him in a vain attempt to conflate short-term and long-term dating.
You can be one of the very few powerful alphas (male or female), and lead an existence in which you use and trample others. Or you can be one of the many, many betas and have a chance at a stable, long-term loving relationship. But that means you have to be a beta.
The question to ask the universe is if one can avoid trampling over others, but have a healthy sex life with a healthy variety in terms of partners?
You want to show how smart and hardworking you are? Be a stay-at-home mom who does mathematics research.
How can you do both successfully? Doesn’t the rigours of research basically suck up the life of most of those involved with it? Besides, law, business, and med school are socially accepted as proper professional positions amongst “white people”. Mathematics is something that ugly, boring foreigners are imported to do for us.
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#1 is bullshit
#2 is typical. You haven’t spent 1% as much time considering what you want in a relationship as you have in focusing on what you don’t want. Join 99% of the human population. Bottom line: you can’t get what you don’t know you want.
#2: no, i really meant i would answer later on, as in ‘i have something to do right now and don’t have time to type a response’.
so:
i have spent a great deal of time pondering this very issue; the following, all of which i would reciprocate, are important to me.
– mutual understanding and appreciation
– mutual respect
– shared moral values
– shared interests
– individual interests (no ‘we’ should exist without two ‘i’s)
– social conservatism
– willingness to sacrifice some selfish goals to further the good of the family, without becoming a martyr
– forgiveness and refusal to keep ‘scorecards’ of past transgressions
there are more items, but most of them fall under the umbrella of ‘ability to run a small business together’, since, in the main, that’s what a marriage is. in particular:
– each partner should be willing and able to delegate tasks to the other partner if s/he is simply better at them. this means that if He is better at budgeting, then He should manage the finances; if She is more knowledgeable about educational options, then She should have the ultimate decision or veto on the children’s schooling; etc.
– each partner should respect the other’s preferences when making decisions that impact the whole family.
– and so forth.
#1
when i say i adore women, i mean that i adore women, not that i adore all biologically mature humans with two x chromosomes. i don’t adore overgrown female children, a description that fits a tragically high number of american females.
that’s all i have time to type for now, but certainly not all i’ve ever thought about the issue.
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76 David
“Obviously, if we want to maximize the happiness of women, we should allow women to openly breed with an alpha male, and then force beta men to marry these women and raise the alpha offspring. This should ensure a solid gene pool that’s raised properly.”
Less and less Americans are deciding to have children (i.e. “breeding”. LOL). One thing is it interferes with their sex lives. With sex being the new God of choice many women are choosing not to have children. It’s much easier to enact laws to prevent children, than create them. You say we should “allow” women to “openly breed with an alpha male”, as if you or anyone should have the power to allow or disallow such a thing. And then you go on to say we should then FORCE them to marry beta men. If you’re even half serious, your own gene pool is in serious question here.
“The question to ask the universe is if one can avoid trampling over others, but have a healthy sex life with a healthy variety in terms of partners?”
I can’t even believe anyone would ask this question with a straight face. If one can’t avoid trampling others to get what they want in life, we are all doomed, which is always an option.
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my advice to women: never trust a man who says I am a giver…. it’s like class – if you actually say you have it, you don’t.
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77 Johnny Five
Well then you’re closer to getting what you want. We would all be smarter to spend some time everyday thinking about what we want, refining it day by day and looking for it in day to day life.
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never trust a man with a droll sense of humor either.
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or believes love is a game?
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Public Service Announcement: Marriages fail because they are not spiritually based–and before all the secular freaks out there start puking, I am not referring in any way to organized religion. You know that blissful feeling of oneness you get while you’re having an earth shaking orgasm? That is spiritual. And whosoever can expand that experience from pure sex into their relationships, marriage, families, and child bearing has attained to something very rare; eternal love. Only the spirit is eternal. Sorry, roissy, to use such a heinous word as spiritual, but until we attain to a ‘beyond the mind, body, heart’ experience in sex, we’re doomed to the hamster wheel.
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life is a game.
love is the winning move.
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u fail at love, u fail at life. u believe in zero sum. the only way to win is non zero sum.
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life is not a zero sum game.
love is a renewable resource. one winning move doesn’t prevent another one.
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Obviously the best relationship is when one person is missing a right leg, and his or her companion is missing a left leg.
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Oh, but only at the knee, otherwise it gets too off balance.
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We would all be smarter to spend some time everyday thinking about what we want, refining it day by day and looking for it in day to day life.
more fight club wisdom:
‘if you don’t know what you want, you end up with a lot of things that you don’t.’
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Marriages fail because they are not spiritually based
marriages fail because people ask not what they can do for their marriage, but what their marriage can do for them. of course, both are important; we should stop well short of martyrdom.
marriages also fail because marriage and family are at loggerheads with instant gratification, and, unfortunately, even the most polite circles have begun to favor the latter.
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Obviously the best relationship is when one person is missing a right leg, and his or her companion is missing a left leg.
you’re giving heather mills more credit than she deserves.
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The upside to having naturally tan skin… when you do marathons you look healthy and barely suffer any sun damage.
The downside? Not being white enough to get away with saying you are white.
The reason people who do triathlons are fit is because doing a triathlons requires significant investment and research. Marathons are easy as long as you can keep you legs moving, but try doing the bike leg of a triathlon with a crappy mountain bike. I’ve seen it done, but only at the sprint level. I saw him as a whizzed by on my aloha CF2, which costs as much as a car.
Oh yeah, and triathlons will kill your body at lot faster. The weakness after the swimming stage takes alot of recovery on the bike.
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89 Johnny Five
You validated a lot of what I said, but did not comment on the power of sex itself to transform an average relationship into something extraordinary. Where does the energy in a relationship come from in the first place? Sex. Freud was right only because all of life itself is based in sex energy, but he failed to grasp the transformational power of sex because he studied only ill people. He found plenty of ill people and in fact became extremely depressed that such a huge percentage were essentially sexually fucked up.
There have been those in ancient history who desired to teach men and women how to transform sexual energy into love and basically to create a paradise on earth, but as you can imagine they were repressed. Healthy people do not need priests, laws, and the whole moral/religious/legal construct.
What you describe in your response is a nice arrangement, but doesn’t sound terribly inspiring. On the other hand life IS tough and there are often many more thorns than blooms, but if the blooms are beautiful enough, the thorns become less and the blooms more, and the thorns become worth it!
Great sex is the bloom, not the roots of love, but the soil must be healthy, and our society is not healthy, hence we are not. But we can change, therefore “society” can change.
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This was so funny… and so true. I never really thought about the big city thing.
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Uh huh. What you forget to mention, is that the real alpha males are academics, and the reason for women to go into higher education is so that they can meet alpha males, instead of meeting dumbasses who make lots of money. Intellectuals constitute a different class: they’re so smart, that they realize what a shame it would be to waste a brain and a life on something as pointless as making cash.
But I do like how a number of commenters assume that money is a genetically acquired trait. I must have missed that in biology. (Since the more money people have, the less they tend to reproduce, this is even more puzzling.)
By the way, one problem with this post is this: most of the “advice” works just as well for men.
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Great sex is the bloom, not the roots of love, but the soil must be healthy, and our society is not healthy, hence we are not.
i figured that, in this particular forum, good sex could go unmentioned.
you are right, though: physical chemistry is the glue that holds everything together when other threads temporarily unravel.
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the real alpha males are academics
if this isn’t irony, you are beyond hope.
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Johnny that is a very good list, you surprised me. I want to add a few more things.
1. Good looking or at least decent looking as this is the man that you will sleep next to your entire life.
2. A tall man, as most women prefer someone 6ft + but will settle for someone a little smaller(below 5’10 and women treat you like a bug). The height thing is always number one with women when they describe their ideal man.
3. Women don’t like it when a man is to distant. That means you should fake intrest in something she likes even if you don’t like it.
4. As much as women complain about a man being to distant, they also don’t like men who talk to much. Many women can’t stand Dr. Phil for this very reason.
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candy cane
Public Service Announcement: Marriages fail because they are not spiritually based–
How do so many arranged marriages work in places like India. Lets not forget that just because a couple manages to stay, they are not always happy.
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96 Chic
See my comment 164 on Visualizing Beta. The arranged marriage attempts to keep love out of the equation altogether, and is the other type of “successful” marriage; if “till death do us part” is the only criteria.
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95 chic noir
That means you should fake interest in something she likes even if you don’t like it.
that’s what her girlfriends are for. vive la difference!
but if there are no common interests, then yes, there is a problem.
i’ve had one relationship that was both the best and the worst thing in the world, simultaneously:
(1) heart-pounding attraction and physical chemistry that reduced almost all my other sexual experiences to the level of pulling weeds, and that lasted for years without significant diminution**
plus
(2) complete lack of common mental ground – no meeting of the minds at all. our outlooks, interests, and worldviews were so different that, whenever we weren’t, uh, communicating nonverbally, we were strangers in a strange land.
i guess you can’t win ’em all.
they also don’t like men who talk to much.
i listen and think before i speak, just like me grandfather told me to do when i was little.
i find that more loquacious types are positively discomfited by the brief silences that normally precede my responses.
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forgot the footnote
**even more notable in light of my extremely short sexual attention span; i’ve become bored with most lovers within a matter of weeks. but not this one.
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“As a general rule, humans assortatively mate on overall mate value (Buss, 1994/2003; Buss and Barnes, 1986). The “6s” mate with other “6s,” while the “9s” can attract other “9s.” Theoretically, some women—those highest in mate value—should be able to attract and retain men who have both good gene indicators and good investment indicators.”
–David Buss
If a 6 turned out to be 9, I don’t mind, I don’t mind.
–Jimi Hendrix
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“2. A tall man, as most women prefer someone 6ft + but will settle for someone a little smaller(below 5′10 and women treat you like a bug). The height thing is always number one with women when they describe their ideal man.”
But, like I suggested on the other thread, don’t kid yourself, Iman’s daughter with a delicately featured David Bowie (or a correspondingly delicately featured Somali male) would likely produce a better looking offspring than the one she had with the more coarse looking Spencer Haywood, even if he was so tall. The Dad’s height can’t overcome poorer facial bone structure, and he wasn’t impressive looking at all. If women choose height over facial bone structure they are less likely to produce better looking daughters. Here’s a look at him in his prime, btw:
She married ‘down’ with him- but as I alluded above it had nothing to do with race. I feel for her daughter with the guy.
“4. As much as women complain about a man being to distant, they also don’t like men who talk to much. Many women can’t stand Dr. Phil for this very reason.”
Most men prefer women who talk less and let us watch TV or play video games more.
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I feel for her daughter with the guy.
This is especially true when she starts comparing herself with her much prettier sister. Maybe, tall and dark skinned males are prized in the AA community, but if they have bad facial bone structures, the women who get them are selfishly hurting their potential daughters, just like Iman did. Iman would have done better even with a shorter, better looking guy that she could treat like a bug.
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I was interested to see what this ugly daughter of Iman’s looked like.
There’s not much about her on the internet, but I eventually found out that she was the girl in the Nelly video for “My Place”.
Look like her mother’s genes won the battle o don’t be feeling too sorry for her :o)
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jk, do you have any proof of this? A cursory internet search revealed no evidence of her being in the video. Also, there would have been a lot more fanfare to celebrate the event, as this is the daughter of Iman. The daughter is also close to 30yo. I think the chick in the video looked a lot, lot younger, even if you discount the fact that some black chicks age fairly gracefully. You are either lying or sadly mistaken I’m afraid.
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Am changing my name, as someone is impersonating me, but I don’t care because I was getting bored with it and as someone pointed out it hardly fits me, so whomever you are, enjoy!
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i am prepared to be turned on by Chic Noir but need convincing that DA hasn’t aquired an alter ego.
plastic surgery, good or not, will degrade within a few years and require “touching up”. the end result is a clown face like cher and nanci pelosi have — a Bride of the Joker type deal. if good plastic surgery is possible then why do so many super rich celebrities end up with obvious bad results? having a bump taken off your nose might work out ok, but much more than that and it’s circus time.
i was at the gas station the other morning, and the woman next to me was dressed for tennis. she had great muscle tone and i was gettig a little aroused, but couldn’t get past the damage to her skin. maybe with a little weed.
a piece of advice to some of the bitter people here: your personal failures are not an indictment of the world.
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Roissy – probably your most brilliant post ever.
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No but really. Who is Heather Mills?
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Well thank you CJM, and no I am not DA.
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