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The Perfect Woman

April 7, 2008 by CH

When VK announced his project to enlist a crew of beaver buster bloggers to write about the perfect woman, I planned at first to crank out some glib, but truthful, response like:

The perfect woman is the one for whom you can leave the money on the nightstand. Prostitutes at least have the integrity to deliver the goods every time.

But then I sobered up and decided to take a serious stab at this topic because I’m a romantic at heart.

It’d be easy to write about the perfect fantasy woman:

sex on demand
cooks and cleans in crotchless panties
no backtalk
always in shape
never gets old
gives everything, asks for nothing
never cheats
treats you like a king no matter what you do
never farts, burps, shits, or gives birth

but since we don’t live on another planet as a different species where the rules of human nature don’t apply I’ll keep it within the realm of believability.

Most importantly, the perfect woman has to be imperfect. She has to have at least one flaw you can exploit to keep her feet on the ground and her head out of the clouds. Plus, it makes her more human and, through osmosis, makes you more human. This type is not hard to find since every woman has flaws. The only perfect women are the ones who are made perfect by worshipful betas.

But don’t ever say you’re not looking for the perfect woman. You are, and that should be your mindset. You don’t set out searching for your soulmate selling yourself short with a list of lover exemptions that gives her a pass on pleasing you. Where would you draw the line with that defeatist attitude? No blowjobs are OK as long as she looks good? Bitchiness is fine if she’s nice to you in private? You see the problem with that thinking.

The perfect woman doesn’t sweat the small stuff. There was a dusty, rocky trail in the woods leading up a small hill in my old neighborhood where I grew up that I would walk as a teenager when I needed time to think away from people. Sometimes I would clamber up this trail at night during a summer rainstorm and my sneakers would get caked in mud. At the top I’d sit on the ground and let the rain and mud soak me. It’s liberating to stop caring. Could she join me? If she understands the spirit of living in the moment and putting aside inconsequential worries, if she never once complains about her sneakers getting muddy or the rain messing up her hair, if she HAS PERSPECTIVE… then she is one step nearer perfection.

The perfect woman embraces our polarity. She loves being a girl and loves surrendering to my manly will. She is never resentful of sex differences or the way men view the world. She accepts it as an unalterable part of life, and learns to need it, to nourish her feminine soul with it.

The perfect woman doesn’t flake. Yes, this is a girly trait and a symptom of over-estrogenation, but it’s one of their blatant weaknesses, and should not be encouraged. Just as manly men are prone to the weaknesses of masculinity (war, violence) womanly women are prone to the weaknesses of femininity (indecisiveness, fickleness).

The perfect woman is not a status whore. She doesn’t measure the worth of her life by her standing in society. True, women prefer a higher status man than themselves, and this reality should be accepted by men AND women. But there is a difference between kneeling at the altar of status like a disciple, and paying your taxes to an impersonal government agency.

The perfect woman does not treat love like a supplement to life. It isn’t that one final piece of avant garde furniture that will tie the room together. It isn’t the thing you do after you’ve done all these other things. Love IS life. Everything we do in our short lives is just prelude to the climax of falling in love. Any girl who thinks and acts otherwise is deliberately lying to herself, and that means she will lie to you.

The perfect woman respects and loves the desires of men. She admires men for their purity. This means she stays the fuck in shape. That is one critical way a woman demonstrates her love for a man. Unconditional love is the heartbeat of poetry but it’s a great false god in the grimy world we inhabit. Love me, love my needs, and you will get the same treatment in return.

The perfect woman caresses my face in the morning because it is her right.

The perfect woman improvises. If things don’t go her way she won’t bitch and moan; she’ll discover new enjoyment in change. Her will is strong, but not straitjacketed.

The perfect woman reaches across the table first to touch my hand. Her eyes are sad over flickering candlelight and half-drunk glasses of wine and her soul is laid bare for me.

The perfect woman hates when I’m away.

The perfect woman makes me never regret my memories of her if she goes.

The perfect woman inspires me to love her.

The perfect woman knows she isn’t.

Tomorrow: The perfect woman as told by this guy.

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  1. on April 7, 2008 at 1:17 pm T.

    The perfect woman knows she isn’t.

    So subtly profound it’s worth repeating.

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  2. on April 7, 2008 at 1:39 pm Rachael

    That was absolutely beautiful.

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  3. on April 7, 2008 at 1:42 pm Peter

    I’d mention my most important characteristic for a perfect woman, but everyone knows what I would say so I won’t bother.

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  4. on April 7, 2008 at 1:46 pm mr. pilkington

    Great post, but I think LL Cool J describes my perfect woman in “Around the Way Girl”.

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  5. on April 7, 2008 at 1:52 pm TracyLord

    i ❤ your ephemeral posts. they remind me of the mr-big-has-heart-surgery episode.

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  6. on April 7, 2008 at 1:54 pm Anonymous

    i just seen that picture of roissy, lol he looks like that rapist from pulp fiction

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  7. on April 7, 2008 at 2:03 pm rina

    The perfect woman loves you.
    The perfect woman may seem imperfect to others, but to you, she reveals herself. Because around you, she is unafraid.

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  8. on April 7, 2008 at 2:06 pm Steve Lurkel

    Get ’em a bodybag! yeaaaaaah!

    seriously though, that was brilliant. hell, I even took notes.

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  9. on April 7, 2008 at 2:11 pm Anon

    “It’d be easy to write about the perfect fantasy woman:

    sex on demand
    cooks and cleans in crotchless panties
    no backtalk
    always in shape
    never gets old
    gives everything, asks for nothing
    never cheats
    treats you like a king no matter what you do
    never farts, burps, shits, or gives birth”

    If that’s how you define the perfect woman, then almost every NEW girlfriend IS the perfect woman. The problem is that they have an expiration date of 3-6 months.

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  10. on April 7, 2008 at 2:16 pm Hope

    Perfect humans, perfect relationships and perfect societies will not exist. Utopia literally means “nowhere.” That doesn’t stop imperfect humans from looking for and attempting to achieve perfection, however.

    But the search for “perfection” is ultimately futile. I fell in love with men despite their flaws, and they fell in love with me despite my flaws. The function of love is to smooth over those flaws that give others pause, as Rina said.

    That doesn’t mean we should stop striving to reach the impossible ideal in ourselves. It just means we should not expect such in others. Expect the most from yourself; hope for the best in everyone else.

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  11. on April 7, 2008 at 2:16 pm nullp0inter

    Roissy, I’m surprised you’re not all over this already: http://www.physorg.com/news126532371.html

    Some Jewish scientists in Tel Aviv have figured out how to write a computer program that can judge the beauty of a female face.

    Just as suspected male beauty seems to be harder to measure, than female beauty.

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  12. on April 7, 2008 at 2:23 pm hannahjustbreathe

    What about laughter? A sense of humor? An ability to find even your corniest jokes sweetly amusing, simply because she adores you?

    Lovely post, though. Setting the bar for your fellow panelists.

    I can’t help but wonder what the ladies would put together in their list of “The Perfect Man”…

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  13. on April 7, 2008 at 2:26 pm Usually Lurking

    The perfect woman embraces our polarity. She loves being a girl and loves surrendering to my manly will. She is never resentful of sex differences or the way men view the world. She accepts it as an unalterable part of life, and learns to need it, to nourish her feminine soul with it.

    This is something that was killed sometime in the 1990’s, by my count.

    And it is a shame, since it goes so far in making all of us better people.

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  14. on April 7, 2008 at 2:28 pm Cornfed

    The perfect women – the one you’re still happy to see in the morning after twenty years of marriage.

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  15. on April 7, 2008 at 2:31 pm Virgle Kent

    So does this mean that the perfect woman is NOT your mom??? Because if so, then this post just got really really creepy.

    But for serious you murdered this one and I should have known better than to let you punk ass go first. I feel like the dad coming in on career day and the day before me was a spy. Fuck

    P.S

    Beaver Busters?!?! Seriously! Dibs on the T shirt

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  16. on April 7, 2008 at 2:32 pm Hope

    This is something that was killed sometime in the 1990’s, by my count.

    The 1990’s were awesome! So sayeth this early adopters of the Internet.

    Also, not every woman is brainwashed by feminism.

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  17. on April 7, 2008 at 2:34 pm Virgle Kent

    you= your

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  18. on April 7, 2008 at 2:44 pm Usually Lurking

    Also, not every woman is brainwashed by feminism.

    No, but that virus was widespread and deadly.

    I can still remember meeting some brilliant girl (really, VERY smart) in college who, at 18, said that she wanted more than anything else to be a wife and mother and stay at home to raise her family.

    She honestly felt like a true rebel. And so honest.

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  19. on April 7, 2008 at 3:00 pm alias clio

    Yes, but Roissy doesn’t want his girls to be mothers, and says so.

    I suspect this is at the core of his difficulty in finding one woman to settle with, in spite of his romantic idealization of True Love. (Along with his wish for sexual variety, that is.) How many traditional women are there who are willing to be subservient, loving, tolerant, etc. to men but who do not want children?

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  20. on April 7, 2008 at 3:03 pm Nikita

    Well done, my friend. And kudos for taking the high road. I’d have been disappointed if you hadn’t given this one the serious thought of which you’re clearly so capable.

    P.S. I’d sit in the mud with you any day.

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  21. on April 7, 2008 at 3:04 pm agnostic

    The perfect woman doesn’t flake.

    The one major drawback of much younger girls. It would be easy to chalk it up to young people all suffering from mild ADD, but what’s really going on is that she knows she knows everyone wants her, and so has unlimited options for her free time — it takes an awful lot to convince her, well in advance, that being with you is the best of those options. Kind of humbling.

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  22. on April 7, 2008 at 3:15 pm Gloria

    I love the story of the man looking for the perfect woman, and when he finds her; alas, she is looking for the perfect man and he ain’t it. Very sad.

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  23. on April 7, 2008 at 3:39 pm anonymous 9

    Hope:

    “Utopia literally means “nowhere.”

    Could “nowhere” mean “now here”, but we are missing it?

    “That doesn’t mean we should stop striving to reach the impossible ideal in ourselves.”

    Yes, it does. Striving to reach an impossible ideal is by definition an exercise in futility. The goal is realizing our inherent worthiness, not perfection. God is the ultimate imperfectionist. See evolution for details.

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  24. on April 7, 2008 at 3:52 pm Hope

    I can still remember meeting some brilliant girl (really, VERY smart) in college who, at 18, said that she wanted more than anything else to be a wife and mother and stay at home to raise her family.

    She honestly felt like a true rebel. And so honest.

    I can be a wife, a mother, and raise a family. But I can also make websites at home at premium rate, and I can freelance from anywhere in the world with my technical and design skill set. I can take care of my husband if he loses his job, and he could even take care of the kids.

    It’s better to have a backup plan as a woman in this job market and economy. She cannot rely on a man to pay for everything forever. Very few people stay with one job anymore. What will she do if her man gets fired, gets in a bad car accident or leaves her for a younger wife later?

    A truly smart woman would realize that she also needs to be smart with money, to know how to make money herself, and to ensure that there is a safety net for the family. Being a rebel is cool when you’re young, but it’s not practical or grounded in reality.

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  25. on April 7, 2008 at 4:02 pm Usually Lurking

    It’s better to have a backup plan as a woman in this job market and economy. She cannot rely on a man to pay for everything forever.

    Well, in her case, she got her BS in Molecular Biology and her Masters from Johns Hopkins in Bio-Chemistry.

    And the situation you describe lends itself to certian occupations, like being a writer or designer or programmer.

    Obtaining skills is always a good thing. Figuring out what you TRULY want in life and telling the PC-Nazis to go fuck themselves is a GREAT thing.

    Also, Hope, you prob. have a fairly high IQ. Let’s not punish those girls that have a lot to offer, but are at the middle to lower-middle part of the Bell Curve.

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  26. on April 7, 2008 at 4:17 pm Hope

    Well, in her case, she got her BS in Molecular Biology and her Masters from Johns Hopkins in Bio-Chemistry.

    So she still had a backup plan despite her rebellious streak.

    The GDP wants working females, but the fertility rate begs otherwise. These conflicts are necessarily going to happen, but an individual woman can navigate her own course of action.

    Let’s not punish those girls that have a lot to offer, but are at the middle to lower-middle part of the Bell Curve.

    I can’t tell other people what to do, but I don’t think my advice necessarily punishes them either. Even if they don’t go to college, they can work hard while young, save up money instead of spending excessively on extravagances, and be in a good position to become a mother in their 20s.

    The goal is realizing our inherent worthiness, not perfection.

    I see nothing wrong with becoming “closer” to perfection for oneself. Sure, we all have inherent worthiness, but trying to improve ourselves to make ourselves more worthy is a worthwhile endeavor. Even if one fails, the failure provides valuable experience.

    Great athletes, musicians, artists, entrepreneurs, leaders, inventors, scientists, etc. have reached for what others thought were impossible. Rather than being totally content with where they were, they were pushing the set limits, and sometimes they succeeded.

    It’s only when we try to mold others to suit our own ideal of perfection that we start to become annoying, demanding and controlling. Letting go of expectations from other people is difficult, but it does lower the blood pressure.

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  27. on April 7, 2008 at 4:19 pm I

    “The perfect woman hates when I’m away.”

    If she hates you being away then I guess she would be on you like white on rice 24/7 or want to be. Love is like eating. You can only eat so much, then you need a break to get hungry again. A mature woman love’s when you’re away so she can savor you when you return. Are you going to hate when she is away too?

    “The perfect woman makes me never regret my memories of her if she goes.”

    I thought the perfect woman would never leave you in the first place.

    “The perfect woman inspires me to love her.”

    Inspiration is something you open yourself up to, not something another person instills in you.

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  28. on April 7, 2008 at 4:28 pm Usually Lurking

    So she still had a backup plan despite her rebellious streak.

    Nope, she was genuinely fascinated with DNA.

    I can’t tell other people what to do, but I don’t think my advice necessarily punishes them either. Even if they don’t go to college, they can work hard while young, save up money instead of spending excessively on extravagances, and be in a good position to become a mother in their 20s.

    No argument here, but you used yourself as an example. Let’s help those girls that can really only aspire to medium to low-end jobs.

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  29. on April 7, 2008 at 4:33 pm anonymous 9

    26 Hope “I see nothing wrong with becoming “closer” to perfection for oneself.”

    I know what you mean, but really hate the concept of perfection in general. It’s a recipe for misery to hold up an ideal image for yourself that came from God knows where that has no basis in reality. I can understand the enjoyment of pushing your limits. I can understand feeling that thrill of accomplishment and if that’s what you mean, we are in agreement. But generally people’s use of an impossible ideal image leads to misery for themselves and others.

    You say “Even if one fails, the failure provides valuable experience.”

    Generally if the goal is perfection, then the person has failed before they’ve started and have set themselves up for feeling unworthy. The goal in my opinion should simply be the enjoyment of establishing new frontiers of experience.

    BTW I seriously doubt roissy will ever come anywhere near living up to a woman’s equivalent of the traits of perfection for a man he outlines here. The problem is having a perfect ideal image for another person. It means you gotta have one for yourself too!!

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  30. on April 7, 2008 at 4:35 pm Hope

    Let’s help those girls that can really only aspire to medium to low-end jobs.

    Actually, I behave as if I work a medium to low-end job. Basically, no expecting lots of furniture or a big house, no diamond engagement ring, no expensive wedding or honeymoon, and no purchase of unnecessary goods. Cook home meals often, pay all the bills on time, don’t run up the credit card, and make sure to spend less than the income.

    That’s what my mother did (she made minimum wage + tips for many years), and I got my frugality from her. She managed to buy a house and do pretty well for herself as a single mother. So a young woman who gets married and who follows these steps will do even better.

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  31. on April 7, 2008 at 4:40 pm jg

    “sex on demand
    cooks and cleans in crotchless panties
    no backtalk
    always in shape
    never gets old
    gives everything, asks for nothing
    never cheats
    treats you like a king no matter what you do
    never farts, burps, shits, or gives birth”

    Hmm this description sounds like a woman who is a complete doormat Judging form your posts and from interractions with similar self-described “Alpha Males”, I think you would grow tired of this type of woman very quickly, and that you really need someone who inspires and sparks passion in you. There isn’t much passion when somebody gives in to your every whim. This reminds me of the Fitzgerald quote, “To hold a man a woman has to appeal to the worst in him.”

    On a random note- I think the woman in the new Escalade commercial who talks about cupholders could possibly fit the physical description of your boy Roosh’s perfect woman.

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  32. on April 7, 2008 at 4:51 pm Usually Lurking

    Hope, fine, I understand. But, …

    You used yourself as an example…an example that included a relatively high-end job that can be performed at home with skills that will almost guarentee you future work.

    THIS IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE.

    That is all I am saying.

    Let’s not forget about the girls who would have likely spun wool in between feeding the youngin’s.

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  33. on April 7, 2008 at 4:56 pm Virgle Kent

    JG,

    I think you might want to reread that paragraph again. I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure he was just joking on that point

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  34. on April 7, 2008 at 5:33 pm Thursday

    Roissy:

    A woman like that would bore the hell out of you. Push-pull works both ways. Female submissiveness may be an underrated virtue, but it needs to be spiced up with some occasional resistance. We like to hunt. Admittedly, it’s a hard balance for a woman to maintain, particularly when her man has options. Women need to know how to manage a man, something which, I am discovering, most of them are pretty terrible at doing.

    The danger of game technique is that it reduces the incentive for a man to stay in a relationship and work on it. After awhile, getting girls to go out with you becomes so easy that all the hard work of making a relationship work starts to look unappealing. (Once you get the hang of it, it is shockingly shockingly easy to get dates with 8s and 9s. Don’t know about the 10s, there aren’t that many of them around, and I’d probably still be a bit intimidated to start a LTR with them.) I’m finally discovering that you need to teach women how to deal properly with you. (Though, to be fair to the ladies, most men probably aren’t mature enough to do that teaching.) This takes some balls, and is best approached from a position of strength, so, in one sense, its always good to have those other options. However, other options are also a distraction from forming that true emotional connection. It is tough to keep that emotional balance. Furthermore, while you need to be firm about your own needs, you also have to be genuinely interested in hers. To go with what I said before, most women are pretty clueless both about men and about what they really want, so working through this shit with them requires patience. (It also requires enough humility to remember that you are learning too.)

    I see a lot of good qualities in you, and if you were willing to put a little work into it I think you could be a good husband, without compromising your manhood. But stuff like this shows a bit of a tendency towards juvenile fantasy. IMHO you need to grow up a bit. Really, a woman like this would not make you happy for very long. You’d dump her ass within 6 months, if not sooner. I’ve seen women try this, it doesn’t work. As I said, you do have a lot to offer a woman, and it would be a shame for you to end up as that sorry ass old ex-player prowling the clubs. Clio is right about the dangers of men getting weak as they get older. Men hit the wall a lot later than women, but, barring Mick Jaggeresque levels of money and fame, eventually they do hit it. As the testosterone flags so does your energy for running game. You need to start preparing for that eventuality, and look realistically at your own future. No pretty lies about playing the field until you die.

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  35. on April 7, 2008 at 5:36 pm jg

    I understand that he was joking on that point, and rather, he was more indicating that this “ideal” woman exists only in male fantasies. (“but since we don’t live on another planet as a different species where the rules of human nature don’t apply I’ll keep it within the realm of believability.”). My comment wasn’t really disagreeing with or criticizing Roissy, it was merely pointing out that in my opinion a fantasy woman who bows down to him unconditionally probably wouldn’t make him happy in the long run.

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  36. on April 7, 2008 at 5:45 pm Hope

    all the hard work of making a relationship work starts to look unappealing.

    This is very insightful. Relationship is hard work. It’s much like a house or car that requires constant maintenance and upkeep. Only, relationships require both partners to be putting in the work.

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  37. on April 7, 2008 at 5:47 pm Thursday

    I’d like to qualify my comment by aggreeing with jg’s last post.

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  38. on April 7, 2008 at 5:49 pm Anon10

    The girl in the pic should wax her forearms

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  39. on April 7, 2008 at 6:06 pm Thursday

    Mostly unrelated. This was sent to me today:

    DICTIONARY FOR WOMEN’S PERSONAL ADS
    40-ish…………………………49
    Adventurous…………………Slept with all your friends
    Athletic……………………….No boobs
    Average looking……………..Ugly
    Beautiful………………………Pathological liar
    Contagious Smile…………….Does a lot of pills
    Emotionally secure…………..On medication
    Feminist……………………….Fat
    Free spirit……………………..Junkie
    Friendship first……………….Former slut
    Fun…………………………….Annoying
    Gentle…………………………Dull
    New Age………………………Body hair in the wrong places
    Open-minded…………………Desperate
    Outgoing………………………Loud and Embarrassing
    Passionate……………………Sloppy drunk
    Poet……………………………Depressive
    Professional…………………..Bitch
    Romantic………………………Frigid
    Voluptuous……………………Very Fat
    Large frame…………………..Hugely Fat
    Wants Soul mate…………….Stalker
    Widow…………………………Murderer

    WOMEN’S ENGLISH

    1. Yes = No
    2. No = Yes
    3. Maybe = No
    4. We need = I want
    5. I am sorry = you’ll be sorry
    6. We need to talk = you’re in trouble
    7. Sure, go ahead = you better not
    8. Do what you want = you will pay for this later
    9. I am not upset = of course I am upset, you moron!
    10. You’re very attentive tonight = is sex all you ever think about?

    MEN’S ENGLISH

    1. I am hungry = I am hungry
    2. I am sleepy = I am sleepy
    3. I am tired = I am tired
    4. Nice dress = Nice cleavage!
    5. I love you = let’s have sex now
    6. I am bored = Do you want to have sex?
    7. May I have this dance? = I’d like to have sex with you
    8. Can I call you sometime? = I’d like to have sex with you
    9. Do you want to go to a movie? = I’d like to have sex with you
    10. Can I take you out to dinner? = I’d like to have sex with you
    11. Those shoes don’t go with that outfit = I’m gay

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  40. on April 7, 2008 at 6:22 pm anonymous 9

    http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=415670&agid=2

    An excerpt:

    “From childhood, men have been brought up to be strong and silent — never to show weakness. They’ve been taught that to say they’re afraid, or in pain, or even that they’re happy or in love is unmanly. Most men have spent so many years putting their feelings aside that by adulthood they lose their ability to describe many of their feelings, or even to know what they are. But they still have feelings, of course — which become unidentified forces within them that confuse them. What we can’t identify always feels very exaggerated, and most men react in exaggerated ways when they’re bewildered and threatened.

    The feelings that confuse men the most and often lead them to act in dramatic ways are feelings of threat to their masculinity. It’s these feelings that stop them from commitment. Your man has the tremendous (and largely unnecessary) burden of having to maintain a masculine image, which he feels can be very easily put in jeopardy — especially by a woman whom he loves.”

    Bottom line: Men are looking for a good mother to replace the real imperfect and/or lousy one they had. My advice? Grow up!! Become a man all by yourself first, then you will attract a woman who is right FOR you, and lo and behold you will also be good for her and not just a drain on her emotions.

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  41. on April 7, 2008 at 6:28 pm Reggie

    Wow. That was downright insightful. There were a couple things that spoiled the serious tone that you seemed to be going for, though.

    First, the part about a woman having at least one flaw you can “exploit to keep her head out of the clouds.” “Exploit” is a resentful word. Wouldn’t it be better instead if she had the humility to recognize those flaws herself to stay grounded? Then you wouldn’t have to exploit anything.

    Second, the part about “stay[ing] the fuck in shape.” We get it. Men want their women to look good. The idea is unobjectionable, but the way it was phrased was jarringly juvenile taken in context with the rest of your post.

    And finally, there was no mention of a proclivity for anal sex. What gives?

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  42. on April 7, 2008 at 6:30 pm Mandy

    i think i’m in love with thursday.

    i’d caveat with simply relaying something that’s taken me a long time to process as well… you teach people how to treat you. in general. not just women.

    that’s where it gets tricky. because as a result – we must be held reasonably accountable for the outcome of our actions. and most people (male and female) aren’t too keen on that idea.

    people are complicated. it’s frightening to me that anyone could narrow down a “perfect” anything in this way – let alone a person they’d want to spend the rest of their lives with. the beauty of relationships is that we have the opportunity to discover complimentary features about the person we choose to be with. find the version of crazy that matches our own. anything else just seems… forced. and the girl roissy describes, while very adoring, seems rather dull. or maybe he just decided to leave out the part about her having a brain, goals, and interests of her own?

    i’m perplexed.

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  43. on April 7, 2008 at 6:32 pm alias clio

    Er, Reggie, you don’t appear to understand that Roissy suffers from an irresistible compulsion to provoke his readers.

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  44. on April 7, 2008 at 7:07 pm Lemmonex

    Conversely, I think I am in love with Mandy.

    “i’d caveat with simply relaying something that’s taken me a long time to process as well… you teach people how to treat you. in general. not just women.

    that’s where it gets tricky. because as a result – we must be held reasonably accountable for the outcome of our actions. and most people (male and female) aren’t too keen on that idea. ”

    Being held accountable scares us all, because that would mean we have to admit we do some ugly shit. Something I have been really coming around to lately is I don’t care what a person is really like underneath, I care about what you do. I don’t give two fucks of you hit your wife and you feel bad about it, you are still a wife beater. Men and women are constantly making excuses (“He’s conflicted” “she is scared”) to excuse bad behavior.

    But there in lies the rub…when you admit that about other people, you are therefor admitting it about yourself. I have done some bad, ugly things in my life and it is a reality most people don’t want to face. In those moments, I was not a good person–end of story. As a result, I have been hurt, victim to karma and treated poorly because I was reaping what I sowed. This is a hard reality in life and relationships.

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  45. on April 7, 2008 at 7:11 pm Morgan

    I embrace the masculine-feminine polarity but I ain’t submitting to the manly will of anybody.

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  46. on April 7, 2008 at 7:20 pm BDSM

    1) David Deida The Way of the Superior Man
    2) RSD has had 80 year olds pull hot girls on bootcamps
    3) This kind of woman will quickly make you unhappy as man have said. There needs to be a coy resistance. Remember men (this is a very loaded term) are hunters. We like it when the girl kicks back with her silky smooth bare feet as we pounce on her in the bed.

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  47. on April 7, 2008 at 7:27 pm Reggie

    #43 alias clio
    Er, Reggie, you don’t appear to understand that Roissy suffers from an irresistible compulsion to provoke his readers.

    Oh, I understand. And it’s not really an unwise impulse; would we be here reading and commenting otherwise? But in this case, he seemed to be going for something more serious, so the occasional peeks at his usual provocative tone ended up undermining the effort.

    Still a good post, though.

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  48. on April 7, 2008 at 7:27 pm JM

    Virgile challenged his blogger buddies to a week of Perfect Woman essays and Roissy commenced the competition with a work highlighted by his classic Roissy/Sybil “I can’t decide whether I want to be eloquent and engaging or offensive and facetious” style. Luckily, eloquence largely won out.

    Roissy’s perfect woman sounds, well, perfect. He wrote a lovely essay that showed a bit more depth then he normally displays. In fact, I wonder if he realizes how much of a peek he gave everyone into the soft goo of his heart that he pretends doesn’t exist. Hopefully, next week he will find this woman in one of those nightclubs he frequents.

    His essay prompted numerous comments including hannahjustbreathe’s musing about what should be on the Perfect Man list. That got me thinking.

    In my mind, I started listing what I would want in a perfect man. But I quickly realized I was actually making a list of what I DON’T want:

    I don’t want a man who expects me to be his mother, keeping track of what he’s supposed to do, where he’s supposed to go, etc.

    I don’t want a man who’s favorite past time is drinking beer and telling “this person was so stupid stories”.

    I don’t want a man who persists in trying to tame me. I am not an animal that needs to be domesticated. If I am not what he wants, I would rather he just move on.

    I don’t want a man who has to be joined at the hip with me.

    Concentrating on the negative is not good. So with the sun shining on my face, warming my soul, I mentally shifted gears and concentrated on what I did want and the first thing that popped into my mind was I wanted a man who had the ability to create the perfect iTune playlists for any mood, whether it be It’s Friday- Let’s Play; It’s Sunday and I’m Exhausted From All the Sex Last Night So Let’s just Hang Out in Bed Today; or a Just Driving in My Car song list.

    Hmm, that is a good start. What else could I think of? Since this is my fantasy world, and I can fill it with rainbows and unicorns if I want, here goes…

    PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES

    What should he look like? Dark hair and dark eyes. Dark features are just more masculine then fair hair and blue eyes.

    His eyes have to be expressive.

    In fact, the whole face has to be readable. Like my dog’s. I know when my dog is hungry, tired, happy or wants to play Frisbee, just by looking at her face. Nothing’s hidden.

    I want to be able to look at a man and know from the expression on his face that he’s ready to leave the book store and go home and have sex. I want to see the irritation on his face LONG before he has to mention he is annoyed at me. When he doesn’t know how to say “thank you” for something, I want to at least see the pleasure registered in his face. And even when he’s really angry, I want to be able to see that he is attempting to keep control by wiping all emotion off his face.

    I want to be able to read his face as easily as I read Virgile’s blog. Because if I was aching to feel insecure and confused and wanting to be second guessing what he was thinking all the time, I could just hang out with my girlfriends for the ultimate in that experience.

    Moving down the perfect man’s body we get to his chest and hair. He has to have it. Bare chests or any shaved body parts are a turn off. I want a man, not a little boy.

    There has to be a nice amount of fuzz on his fore arms too. His hands have to be masculine but not ape like, with clean fingernails. The muscles and tendons have to be visible. I want to be able to trace them with my tongue or kisses starting from the inside of his wrist all the way up his neck and to just below the ear lobe.

    By the same token, I want to be able to follow the muscles down his chest, passed the iliac crest and right to the part where the inside of his leg meets his body.

    A nice butt. By nice I mean round and firm. If he wears baggy pants that hide his rear, I’m just going to assume it’s fat, flabby or flat and move on.

    The perfect man has to be fit enough to flip me like a pancake during sex. Going from cowgirl to missionary should take all of 2 seconds with no accidental withdrawals.

    MENTAL ATTRIBUTES

    The perfect man is smart and processes information rapidly.

    And personality? Well, I’m a bit partial to the engineer type. I like the way they analyze and try to bring logic, reasoning and statistic to all decisions. But at the same time, the perfect man knows when to toss all his data and pie charts out the window and make decision based solely on emotion.

    The perfect man knows that work is necessary to have money to live on. He puts effort into everything he does. But he also knows when to stop working for the day and go have fun. He does not live solely to excel at work. He has a life away from his form of employment and likes to go out, have experiences and do things. In fact, he values experiences over things.

    The perfect man can be by himself. Alone. Without me.

    The perfect man likes to go out with his friends and does not feel threatened when I go out with mine.

    The perfect man knows that if I find he has cheated on me, he will find his penis Krazy glued to his testicles. But it will never happen because the perfect man is faithful.

    The perfect man is a doer. He is not sedentary. He likes to be active for pleasure and does not resent manual labor.

    The perfect man accepts responsibility, carries himself with dignity, does not fear mistakes and does not keep a running lists of wrongs committed against him. He makes people feel comfortable to be around him. Others respect him. He engages in discussions without making them ideological assaults. You can trust him with your life.

    The perfect man likes children. No, not just likes, he wants children. Great sex is when two people are so in tuned to each others desires that they melt and become one person, moving together as a single entity (think Vulcan mind meld) Children are the embodiment of that unity. Plus they’re just plain fun. And remember, the perfect man likes fun. In fact, he can dig in the sand at the beach or be buried in it. He can act as goalie for hours on end of soccer practice. Disneyland? Bring it on. Legos, Lincoln Logs, Erector set, 101 electricity kits? He is a master of them all and with the patience of Yoda, shares his skill with his offspring .

    The perfect man has a refractory period under 15 minutes and will have sex as many times a day as I want.

    Being able to cook would be an additional bonus.

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  49. on April 7, 2008 at 7:28 pm Jane

    The perfect woman doesn’t flake. Yes, this is a girly trait and a symptom of over-estrogenation, but it’s one of their blatant weaknesses, and should not be encouraged. Just as manly men are prone to the weaknesses of masculinity (war, violence) womanly women are prone to the weaknesses of femininity (indecisiveness, fickleness).

    Those “masculine” and “feminine” traits are cultural constructs. Being that women are basically encouraged to be fickle, it would be difficult to find otherwise in American (or maybe Western, Western-influenced) society. To say that women are inherently ANY personality trait is pretty much always wrong.

    You did get one thing right, though– acknowledging that the perfect woman is traits that are perfect to you. From the blog that posed the question: Is there a woman out there that poses all the physical and emotional characteristics that would make guys like us call it quits and turn in our player cards? If so, what would those physical and emotional characteristics be?” I wonder if he has really any understanding of people at all; if “gaming” itself detracts from your ability to look at women as human beings to the point where you have a checklist of things they need to qualify as being “perfect.” There’s no universal “perfect” that men everywhere will agree on or fall over themselves to acquire. There is, however rarely, “perfect for each other,” since I’m sure we all know or have seen one little old couple still madly in love after 50 years of marriage. How can a woman “bare her soul” to you if she’s gone from your bed the next morning and never seen again? There is more to life than sex, and from what I’ve seen while reading “game” blogs, men who fixate on fucking as many women as possible are missing out on something. There’s nothing wrong with it; some of us spend our lives fixated on art, science, literature, some of us are preoccupied with finding love, and some of us on sex. I’m not one to say that sex is more shallow than anything else human beings decide is the most important part of life. Just the same though, I feel sorry for people who dedicate all of their time reading, painting, or yes, fucking. We can agree that they’re missing out on something, whatever it may be. I feel sorry for people who are too busy doing something else or actively harming their ability to find love, because it’s a truly worthwhile pursuit.

    Also, what’s with the ragging on feminism? Feminism includes respecting individuals’ choices; there’s no problem with a woman choosing to be a stay-at-home wife and mother if that’s what she and her husband want. The fact that someone refers to feminism as a “deadly virus” is sickening. So… you don’t want women to become educated and paid as much as men? You’d like her barefoot in the kitchen, so that when you divorce her for a younger model she can barely support your spawn, and you can bitch and moan to your friends about how you got fucked in the divorce? Come the fuck on. Feminism benefits everyone, except those who are too small-minded to give it a little bit of thought… and maybe those who are too awkward with females to get sex from an educated woman.

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  50. on April 7, 2008 at 7:51 pm Usually Lurking

    Feminism includes respecting individuals’ choices; there’s no problem with a woman choosing to be a stay-at-home wife and mother if that’s what she and her husband want.

    Now, are you referring to First-Wave Feminism or Second-Wave Feminism? Because, their is a big difference. Personally, I am partial to Third-Wave Feminism with it’s Sex-Positive leanings with a dash of Eco-Feminism and Black-Feminism just to be safe. But I will never be an Equity-Feminism because they are just racists in sheep’s clothing, am I right.

    Oh, and don’t get me started on the Trans-Feminists.

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  51. on April 7, 2008 at 8:06 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Jane said:

    “Those “masculine” and “feminine” traits are cultural constructs. Being that women are basically encouraged to be fickle…”

    Not this feminist fantasy AGAIN. Does this ever go away? The culture was constructed by the very people you say are influenced by cultural constructs.

    No one can influence anyone to be that different to their nature. Anyone who has been a parent can easily tell you that you will never turn your little Truman Capote into Arnold Schwarzeneger. And studies have show that when you give little girls trucks, they make families of trucks. Most of them anyway. The culture does not “encourage” anyone to do anything.

    And even if it did, there is so much feminist influence in the schools and elsewhere, that influence would be negligible.

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  52. on April 7, 2008 at 8:56 pm The Duchess of Fyfe

    roissy: “Love me, love my needs, and you will get the same treatment in return.”

    Are you going to love my needs too? You’re nuts. LOL

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  53. on April 7, 2008 at 9:17 pm Ava V

    Love IS life. Everything we do in our short lives is just prelude to the climax of falling in love. Any girl who thinks and acts otherwise is deliberately lying to herself, and that means she will lie to you.

    ….so true, people lie to themselves to stop the pain they know is there.

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  54. on April 7, 2008 at 9:28 pm Reggie

    #50 DOBA
    Anyone who has been a parent can easily tell you that you will never turn your little Truman Capote into Arnold Schwarzeneger.

    Good point. It’s interesting — the same people who insist that there is no biological basis for the differences between men and women are the same ones who would howl the loudest if you were to suggest that sexual preference is a “cultural construct” and not an inborn trait.

    Neither, of course, is due to culture. Culture may marginally change the ways in which these traits are expressed, but it doesn’t have any fundamental impact on the fact of their existence.

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  55. on April 7, 2008 at 9:36 pm Anonymous

    u.l.
    I can still remember meeting some brilliant girl (really, VERY smart) in college who, at 18, said that she wanted more than anything else to be a wife and mother and stay at home to raise her family.

    you’re probably still kicking yourself for not proposing to her on the spot.

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  56. on April 7, 2008 at 9:41 pm alias clio

    “The culture does not “encourage” anyone to do anything.”

    The culture encourages people to do all kinds of things, but it often doesn’t work. When it does work, there are usually all kinds of things going on underneath the culturally-appropriate facade that people “construct” for themselves.

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  57. on April 7, 2008 at 10:05 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “The culture does not “encourage” anyone to do anything… The culture encourages people to do all kinds of things, but it often doesn’t work. When it does work, there are usually all kinds of things going on underneath the culturally-appropriate facade that people “construct” for themselves.”

    What I meant is that the culture is there for the taking — you don’t have to indulge in most of it if you don’t want to.

    You can turn off the TV, as I did. I also have not set foot in a movie theater since 1996, except to see a concert film, “Festival Express.” And I relegate my music listening to indie and old stuff. I have not been to a barber since 1998; I cut my hair myself. I do not buy awful corporate food products; I relegate my eating to vegetables, etc.

    Mainstream culture is out there; I don’t personally have much to do with it. I don’t see why everyone else feels pressured.

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  58. on April 7, 2008 at 10:14 pm Topshelf

    To search for Heaven
    is all very well

    To Search for perfection
    is to live here in Hell

    -Sting

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  59. on April 7, 2008 at 10:32 pm Thursday

    I don’t see why everyone else feels pressured.

    You’re a nerdy non-conformist. An exception. Most people are very social and regulate their behaviour by social norms. It would be the height of folly to generalize from yourself.

    you don’t have to indulge in most of it if you don’t want to.

    Most people don’t want to feel cut off from what makes social life go round.

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  60. on April 7, 2008 at 10:38 pm Shannon

    Roissy exposes his soft underbelly, thinks up his ideal mate, the one that would get him to abandon his playerhood…

    …and goes on to describe a pet, not a partner. Faithful, lives in the moment, obedient, doesn’t mind mud, and devoted. Sounds like Roissy might want to just get a dog.

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  61. on April 7, 2008 at 11:11 pm Poseur

    I think you mean a cat, or 10. Wait what?

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  62. on April 7, 2008 at 11:22 pm anonymous 9

    Roissy should be given credit for trying. Most don’t put 1/10 as much thought into figuring out what they want in a mate. It’s the “perfect” label that is a bit much. If you expect too much from your partner–if you expect them to be “ideal”, you’ll just always be looking for flaws in the other person to justify your own unwillingness to look at yourself, your past influences, your current environment, choices, thoughts, attitude, health, etc. You’ll look for reasons to keep looking when what you really need to do is look in the mirror. You’ll make yourself and your less than perfect partner miserable, until you do them a favor and leave them.

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  63. on April 7, 2008 at 11:33 pm Lady Varderbilt-Horsetta

    A woman must always strive to look her best when nude. If nudity were more socially accepted, more would be in better physical, mental, emotional, and sexual health. People hide behind fashion; and especially women have too many options available to hide their flaws via wonderbras, water bras, padded bras, bulge control undergarments of all types, makeup to hide blemishes, hair color to hide the gray, cosmetic surgery, etc. Even with cosmetic surgery, liposuction, peels, permanent makeup, hair restoration; it only goes so far. I take men’s desire for a beautiful nude woman to turn them on very seriously. Even given all the different body types, any woman can be their best and confident in the nude. It takes work but a happy man is worth the effort. Women put out so many efforts to please men in other ways, but physical health & beauty should never be underestimated.

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  64. on April 8, 2008 at 12:17 am KassyK

    This was quite a nice post Roissy. Tender even.

    I am tempted to write more but I don’t want to set off another 200 comment thread. 🙂

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  65. on April 8, 2008 at 12:40 am Jewcano

    I’m never giving you pictures of my sister again. Gross.

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  66. on April 8, 2008 at 12:48 am Lady Varderbilt-Horsetta

    anon 54

    ..”she wanted more than anything else to be a wife and mother and stay at home to raise her family.”

    Have you ever told women you date that that is what YOU want?

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  67. on April 8, 2008 at 4:08 am Betty-Jane Kuntz

    One Flaw in Women

    Women have strengths that amaze men.
    They bear hardships and they carry burdens,
    but they hold happiness, love and joy.
    They smile when they want to scream.
    They sing when they want to cry.
    They cry when they are happy
    and laugh when they are nervous.
    They fight for what they believe in.
    They stand up to injustice.
    They don’t take ‘no’ for an answer
    when they believe there is a better solution.
    They go without so their family can have.
    They go to the doctor with a frightened friend.
    They love unconditionally.
    They cry when their children excel
    and cheer when their friends get awards.
    They are happy when they hear about
    a birth or a wedding.
    Their hearts break when a friend dies.
    They grieve at the loss of a family member,
    yet they are strong when they
    think there is no strength left.
    They know that a hug and a kiss
    can heal a broken heart.
    Women come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
    They’ll drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you
    to show how much they care about you.
    The heart of a woman is what
    makes the world keep turning.
    They bring joy, hope and love.
    They have compassion and ideas.
    They give moral support to their
    family and friends.
    Women have vital things to say
    and everything to give.
    HOWEVER, IF THERE IS ONE FLAW IN WOMEN,
    IT IS THAT THEY FORGET THEIR WORTH.

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  68. on April 8, 2008 at 4:45 am D

    you forgot:

    a) knows how to drive stick

    and

    b) doesnt carry a louis vuitton bag to the gym

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  69. on April 8, 2008 at 5:44 am Sally

    48 Jane

    I’m hearing you, but am not the gender you are addressing. Roissy and company often don’t seem to get that NO ONE is put on this earth to serve anyone but themselves. Are men put here to serve women? Not any more than women are put here to serve men.

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  70. on April 8, 2008 at 6:28 am Sheba

    I am so not the perfect woman in anyone’s book. Not that I can imagine anyway. Which is why I don’t look for the perfect man nor look for the man who is looking for the perfect woman. It sounds perfectly boring to me. The good news; they can be FAR from perfect; in fact the further the better. Only then would we be a good match. You’d be amazed how difficult it is to find such an imperfect man. 99% of men are looking for the perfect woman (roissy is dead on with that one), so it makes it very, very difficult for someone as imperfect as I to find an equally imperfect man. If you guys know of anyone, please let me know. I’ve been looking in vain for years.

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  71. on April 8, 2008 at 7:43 am johnny five

    re the imaginary perfect woman:

    never farts, burps, shits, or GIVES BIRTH (emphasis mine)

    am i wrong to interpret this as a lamentation of the havoc wrought on the female form by childbirth?

    if i’m indeed wrong, and the imaginary perfect woman is sterile, then what the hell was this all about?

    —

    re the real perfect woman:

    The perfect woman hates when I’m away.

    this has been addressed above; i also found it to be very anti-roissy. you don’t seem the type who could stomach a woman who didn’t occasionally want to just leave you alone.

    needy = kryptonite.

    —

    #69 sheba
    makes it very, very difficult for someone as imperfect as I to find an equally imperfect man.

    bmi > 30?

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  72. on April 8, 2008 at 9:57 am crud

    crap. an asshole who thinks he knows everything and a bunch of absorbed pigeons who cant help but be drawn to a mess and have “intellectual” discussions on the like and pat themselves on the back for having such profound thoughts….

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  73. on April 8, 2008 at 2:09 pm anonymous 9

    71 crud

    ” … absorbed pigeons..”

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  74. on April 8, 2008 at 2:12 pm sheba

    70 Johnny Five

    “#69 sheba
    makes it very, very difficult for someone as imperfect as I to find an equally imperfect man.

    bmi > 30?”

    Are you really missing my point so completely? Think irony and humor and the evils of perfectionism. This has nothing to do with BMI. Men can be so tiresome!

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  75. on April 8, 2008 at 2:20 pm mq

    Roissy is much too insecure to deal with a woman who put real demands on him. Any “perfect woman” as outlined here is going to put real demands on him. He’ll then have a choice between finding an excuse to distance or confronting his own insecurities.

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  76. on April 8, 2008 at 4:09 pm Heartless Bitches International

    Man Finds the Perfect Woman (again):

    http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/markpita.shtml

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  77. on April 8, 2008 at 5:11 pm roissy

    thursday wrote:
    Roissy:

    A woman like that would bore the hell out of you. Push-pull works both ways. Female submissiveness may be an underrated virtue, but it needs to be spiced up with some occasional resistance. We like to hunt.

    i agree, but since most modern women have the opposite problem (too much shit testing and head games) i focused on those traits that would get them closer to perfection.

    The danger of game technique is that it reduces the incentive for a man to stay in a relationship and work on it.

    yes… and no.
    i have first hand experience with what you’re talking about. i remember this really stunning babe i scored just a little too easily that after a few weeks i was already complaining to my buddies about wanting to go out without her and finding new girls.
    my ego got the better of me.
    but that was an exception. the closer the girl gets to matching my mental template of perfection, the more i will invest in the relationship.

    After awhile, getting girls to go out with you becomes so easy that all the hard work of making a relationship work starts to look unappealing. (Once you get the hang of it, it is shockingly shockingly easy to get dates with 8s and 9s.

    i’ve found that progressing from a first date to a second date is more difficult than getting the first date itself.

    [snip stuff i agree with]

    I see a lot of good qualities in you, and if you were willing to put a little work into it I think you could be a good husband, without compromising your manhood.

    but love is the necessary ingredient.

    But stuff like this shows a bit of a tendency towards juvenile fantasy. IMHO you need to grow up a bit.

    grown-ups suck.

    Really, a woman like this would not make you happy for very long. You’d dump her ass within 6 months, if not sooner. I’ve seen women try this, it doesn’t work.

    my list is not encompassing by any means. these were simply the traits i found missing in today’s woman more often than not.

    As I said, you do have a lot to offer a woman, and it would be a shame for you to end up as that sorry ass old ex-player prowling the clubs.

    in my golden years i plan to drink heavily and fuck lots of whores.

    As the testosterone flags so does your energy for running game. You need to start preparing for that eventuality, and look realistically at your own future.

    so far my plan is to dope up on lots of steroids. seriously. testosterone does wonders for infusing the aging man with the elixir of youth. as for the higher risk of cancer, eh, i’d rather go out sooner stronger than later weaker.

    No pretty lies about playing the field until you die.

    aging is a horror, we all agree. but we humans live in a fantasy land and pretend like it’s some distant thing that won’t happen to us. this capacity for self delusion is a survival trait.

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  78. on April 8, 2008 at 6:01 pm Lea

    77 roissy

    “aging is a horror, we all agree.”

    Only for those who find aging painful and only those who resist aging find it painful (which includes most of us) but at least you are not in denial about that. For you, aging is a horror but please don’t make the mistake of thinking everyone is as hell bent on preserving the illusion of youth as you are.

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  79. on April 9, 2008 at 7:15 pm Thursday

    i agree, but since most modern women have the opposite problem (too much shit testing and head games) i focused on those traits that would get them closer to perfection.

    you’re shifting ground a bit. for example, your post talked about “sex on demand.”

    i’ve found that progressing from a first date to a second date is more difficult than getting the first date itself.

    that has not been my experience, at all. women, once they get to know me, have always loved me. one on one, in a relaxed setting, i have always been a rock star. i just used to be bad in group situations or with strangers, and, with limited options, when finally i did go out with someone i would get all needy and scare her off. i remember one of my close (married) female friends in law school telling me just before summer break, “now you’ll have time to date. geez, you must have to beat them off.” but it wasn’t true.

    remember, game is like advertising. a great ad can get people to try something out, but it won’t make them stay, sometimes not even for a second date. on the other hand you can have a great product, but if no one knows about it then who cares. but sometimes a person will try something hesitantly because of the ad or because its popular, and, low and behold, find out that it is fucking awesome. it just needed a good, not even a great, advertising campaign. remember, women will come for the game, but they will stay for you.

    also, if you are genuinely interested in female friendly topics like art and psychology, you are half way there. you just need to learn to talk about them in a manly way and not do anything too feminine to weird her out. (bringing up female friendly topics is also a great occasion to talk about male-female differences. women love to hear about how your take on Jane Austen is slightly different than the usual stuff they hear at bookclub with their girlfriends.) i guess i already had lots of sugar and only needed a little bit of lemon to make the lemonade taste just that good. 😉

    love is the necessary ingredient.

    agreed, you have to feel it in you gut. but to some degree love needs cultivation. all good things require work.

    you are like the artist who is always looking for “inspiration” to start work, and thus fritters away his talent.

    grown-ups suck.

    it is important to maintain the enthusiasm and curiosity of youth, but, really, who thinks teenage boys are the epitome of manhood. people, as people, tend to be at their best in their thirties.

    “In the eyes of youth there is fire, but in the eyes of the old illumination.”

    my list is not encompassing by any means. these were simply the traits i found missing in today’s woman more often than not.

    wasn’t this about the_perfect_woman.

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  80. on April 9, 2008 at 9:43 pm Poseur

    Game isn’t about advertising. When you become a man true to his intentions you don’t need to advertise they flock to you. That is what is known as a true natural. The RSD Blueprint covers this.

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  81. on April 9, 2008 at 10:13 pm Thursday

    Be the billboard, man.

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  82. on April 10, 2008 at 1:15 am dizzy8

    Not getting fat = Respect for men?

    Wow.

    Controlling much?

    And what does the man do to his body to respect womankind and our desires? Because we all have a biological urge to get as big as possible, in order to survive as a species. You say women should resist this urge, in order to visually please men. What should men do in return? Maybe resist their own little biological urges?

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  83. on April 10, 2008 at 2:36 am alias clio

    Good point, Dizzy.

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  84. on April 10, 2008 at 2:43 am rina

    And what does the man do to his body to respect womankind and our desires? Because we all have a biological urge to get as big as possible, in order to survive as a species. You say women should resist this urge, in order to visually please men. What should men do in return? Maybe resist their own little biological urges?

    when a man commits to you, he IS doing just that. (i hope)

    i’ve seen a lot of people go through loop of

    man disrespects wife–> wife doesn’t care about getting fat–> man is more annoyed –> wife really doesn’t give a shit….
    etc.

    i think this can all be avoided if there was a basic tenant of respect. i would hope my own man would respect me enough to not balloon. fat guys are gross

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  85. on April 10, 2008 at 4:11 am roissy

    bringing the bitter wrote:
    Not getting fat = Respect for men?

    yes.
    and respect for your body.

    Controlling much?

    self-controlling much?

    And what does the man do to his body to respect womankind and our desires?

    get an erection!

    Because we all have a biological urge to get as big as possible, in order to survive as a species.

    bloating up with repulsive fatness is the antithesis of survival.

    You say women should resist this urge, in order to visually please men.

    if they want love in their lives, yes.

    What should men do in return?

    crush their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women.

    Maybe resist their own little biological urges?

    you mean to say fucking? the difference is that sexual hedonism is a win-win for both parties while food hedonism results in some very negative consequences.

    ps: dizzy you sound unloved.

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  86. on April 10, 2008 at 4:11 am roissy

    lovely rina:
    when a man commits to you, he IS doing just that. (i hope)

    see, you keep reminding me why i like you.

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  87. on April 10, 2008 at 4:52 am TracyLord

    roissy has no respect for women. fear perhaps, but not respect.

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  88. on April 10, 2008 at 5:03 am The/My Perfect Woman « DC Hero To The Rescue

    […] there are 5 different bloggers who give their own thoughts on the subject. Check out Roissy with Part 1, VK with Part 2, and T with Part 3. Blogger and author of one of my favorite books (Bang, a field […]

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  89. on April 10, 2008 at 11:47 am alias clio

    Perhaps this is belaboring the obvious, roissy, but I think Dizzy means a) that all animals are genetically “programmed” to burn calories as efficiently (slowly) as possible, and to eat heartily when food is abundant, for the sake of survival. And b) that if you expect women to resist this urge, it would be fair to resist your own urge to infidelity. You have said, after all, that you expect not to be faithful in any long-term relationship, and that all women married to alpha males should accept this possibility. I don’t recall your exact words on the subject, and of course I don’t know how seriously you meant it.

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  90. on April 10, 2008 at 12:39 pm roissy

    roissy has no respect for women.

    i have no respect for “men” either.
    respect must be earned.
    have you done your earning today?

    fear perhaps, but not respect.

    casual indifference is not fear.
    hth.

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  91. on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 pm tracylord

    if you submit that love is what you live for, and yet you love no one but yourself, and self-love is as effectively far-reaching at learning love as masturbation is at learning sex, you will grasp at love with stunted attempts and the impotence of an ignorant man.

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  92. on April 10, 2008 at 2:20 pm Hope

    You have said, after all, that you expect not to be faithful in any long-term relationship, and that all women married to alpha males should accept this possibility. I don’t recall your exact words on the subject, and of course I don’t know how seriously you meant it.

    There is good news. Using willpower is like exercising muscles — the more you do it, the more you develop. Men can have as much willpower when it comes to infidelity as women can have when it comes to food over-indulgence. Our frontal cortex evolved for a reason, too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/opinion/02aamodt.html

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  93. on April 10, 2008 at 3:44 pm roissy

    alias:
    a) that all animals are genetically “programmed” to burn calories as efficiently (slowly) as possible, and to eat heartily when food is abundant, for the sake of survival.

    i’m also gentically programmed to take a dump but you don’t see me doing that in my date’s face.

    And b) that if you expect women to resist this urge, it would be fair to resist your own urge to infidelity.

    there’s no one to one analogy here. i claim, correctly, that women will suffer in the mating market if they can’t control their eating habits. men who commit infidelity are SUCCEEDING in the mating market.

    tracy cried out to her alpha male muse:
    and self-love is as effectively far-reaching at learning love as masturbation is at learning sex

    and yet women only love men who love themselves.
    self-love turns you on, baby!

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  94. on April 10, 2008 at 9:02 pm TracyLord

    i love a man who loves me as much as himself.

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  95. on April 10, 2008 at 9:08 pm roissy

    a man must love himself first before he can love you in the way you want to be loved.

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  96. on April 10, 2008 at 11:33 pm chicnoir

    PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES

    What should he look like? Dark hair and dark eyes. Dark features are just more masculine then fair hair and blue eyes

    Uh I seen very nice looking fair colored men. Look at Robert Redford back in his day. There are plenty of nice looking Sweedish men.

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  97. on April 11, 2008 at 1:01 pm The Perfect Woman » Roosh V

    […] Roissy: The perfect woman does not treat love like a supplement to life. […]

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  98. on April 12, 2008 at 8:49 pm dustbury.com

    Ten-plus out of ten…

    The perfect woman, says Roissy in DC, has to be imperfect: She has to have at least one flaw you can exploit to keep her feet on the ground and her head out of the clouds. Plus, it makes her……

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  99. on April 14, 2008 at 2:34 pm Stiletto

    “The perfect woman respects and loves the desires of men. She admires men for their purity. This means she stays the fuck in shape.”

    So fucking true. Now why can’t the men keep up their end of the bargain? Beer guts, stick legs, and bird chests, the lot of you.

    “What should he look like? Dark hair and dark eyes. Dark features are just more masculine then fair hair and blue eyes.”

    Just come out and say it girl. You like black cock. Nothing wrong with that, stop hiding behind words!

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  100. on April 14, 2008 at 2:35 pm Stiletto

    There is no such thing as the perfect person, there is only the right person.

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  101. on April 14, 2008 at 3:17 pm sindy

    You’re my kind of girl, stiletto! Finally, I’m not the only bawdy bitch on this site.

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  102. on April 14, 2008 at 8:10 pm Stiletto

    I’m just realistic. I laugh when I see dudes salivate over hot chicks on male oriented publications like Maxim and FHM while putting average girls down, but it’s really no different from those same group of guys having a Ferrari. Most wouldn’t know how to handle it!

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  103. on April 14, 2008 at 8:57 pm sindy

    Amen to that. I try to tell these guys how to BE alpha (a real man basically) and all they want do to is ACT like one, which is not at all the same thing. They just get passive aggressive and create all kinds of dramas, only to act like big shots because they got some average sex out of all their intense efforts.

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  104. on August 14, 2008 at 8:56 pm How Not To Be An American Woman « Roissy in DC

    […] 14, 2008 by roissy When I wrote my perfect woman post, I had Slavic and Caucasus women in mind. Watch this […]

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  105. on August 14, 2008 at 11:04 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    been waiting on post 100 for a while now:

    @49 Jane

    Those “masculine” and “feminine” traits are cultural constructs. Being that women are basically encouraged to be fickle, it would be difficult to find otherwise in American (or maybe Western, Western-influenced) society. To say that women are inherently ANY personality trait is pretty much always wrong.

    Just the fact’s Ma’am.

    Fact: The propaganda that gender is a socio-cultural construct has long since been disproven with human twin studies.

    Fact: Nature has far more impact vis a vis gene trait expression, then a cultural meme-istic value systems inculcation. 70/30% at the least 80/20% at the most.

    Fact: In All Cases: Neurological MRI-CAT scanning and cerebral chemistry work has completely proven that having xxxy chromosome pairs will result in a brain dramatically different from that of a human born xxxx.

    Fact: Cognitive brain function determines ID/Ego structures, personality, value systems criterion/s, morality and ethics.

    Estrogen baths, and Testosterone Baths effect cognitive brain function, and most especially in the developmental years 1-6.

    Fact: Feminists who raise their female offspring to ape male behavior in the pursuit of equality, and to show that masculinity traits are not a result of testosterone often produce lesbians, but at no higher a rate then non-feminist couples.

    Fact: Your public acknowledgment re: your being behind the times, and behind the bell curve is both quite telling and very unbecoming.

    Fact: Genetics e.g. reproductive desire control arousal (wetness) and pleasure rewarding (orgasm) to a higher degree then mental conditioning ever will. Its Hardwired into the body. Male Reproductive pheromones are absolutely devastating on female willpower.

    This is the sad backhanded slap of mother nature that is most commonly seen in Her rewarding a women who is being raped by a man, with intense orgasmic pleasure in the midst of overwhelming fear/panic. Sperm is sperm and reproduction are subconscious drivers.

    Unfortunately I have heard out of too many women’s mouths that: “they felt shame, because while completely not wanting it in their mind, their bodies betrayed their will, by making them feel good.” Of course, this usually isn’t admited in the first days following the attack.

    And this is what is mindfucking, the rape just doesn’t stop with the physical act. It shatters a lot of false personal beliefs, and shatters the ego-id while at the same time strips the sense of free-will power and replaces them with a sense of absolute debased humiliating impotence.

    Here is a question for you, Jane. Why is the suicide attempt and suicide success rate for Male rape victims 3x that of the females?

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  106. on October 30, 2008 at 9:25 pm Anonymous

    very good

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  107. on November 7, 2008 at 6:02 pm You Only Like Me Now Because I’m Thin « Roissy in DC

    […] against men and a loathing of male desire. Only a few former chubbies have the open heart and love of men for who they are to avoid spiraling into a lovekilling vengeful trap of anti-male […]

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  108. on November 19, 2008 at 12:26 pm Ex Categories « Roissy in DC

    […] fallen apart. She is the force of nature against which all future women will compete… and come up short. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Going SexualPerspectivesCalm Down […]

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  109. on February 11, 2009 at 10:29 am Female Beauty From 1 To 10 « Roissy in DC

    […] The idea is to see just how objective female beauty is for men, and if there is noticeable divergence in agreement on a particular woman’s ranking at different points on the scale. For example, do men have a harder time agreeing on what constitutes a 3, or a 9? I suspect there will be widespread agreement near the top and at the very bottom, and a little more wiggle room in the middle where most women bunch up. I also predict major dissension in the voting community over which woman qualifies as a 10 — perfection in female beauty. […]

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  110. on February 13, 2009 at 1:22 am wtfitsjared

    If anyone ever doubted, this is proof that the man who is Roissy has a soul.

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  111. on February 13, 2009 at 3:10 am Kthulah

    Nah Jared. This is just proof of his level of bullshit artistry.

    If he did meet a woman like this, he’d call her a fat cunt.

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  112. on April 1, 2009 at 12:31 pm Time To Put Aside Childish Things « Roissy in DC

    […] for that. I haven’t been motivated to write about picking up women because I’ve found The One. I’ve fallen hard for this girl and… I might as well announce it here: We’re […]

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  113. on June 3, 2009 at 1:01 pm Foreign Girlfriends « Roissy in DC

    […] had long term relationships with a Russian girl and a Polish girl. Both were exquisitely pretty, feminine, slender, and most importantly for an LTR, sweet-natured. […]

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  114. on July 15, 2009 at 12:00 pm What Foreign Men Think Of American Women « Roissy in DC

    […] for the rest of my life, I would choose a foreign girl. Once you have experienced the pleasure of a truly feminine woman, you’ll never go back to an American […]

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  115. on August 5, 2009 at 12:50 pm renwick

    RE: What Foreign Men Think Of American Women « Roissy in DC
    […] for the rest of my life, I would choose a foreign girl. Once you have experienced the pleasure of a truly feminine woman, you’ll never go back to an American […]

    Wow, beautiful…I’m a woman and I consider this statement to be authentic, and it rings true. American women often pride themselves on how polished their exteriors are, and ignore and bash their “inner” beauty — their soul, their passions, grace and truly, their femininity.

    To be feminine is not precisely about manicures and high heels, it is to love being a woman and to love people and life, including loving their own gender. A woman who loathes other women is a crying shame.

    There is true beauty in a real smile, in a woman who loves and forgives herself, and therefore does the same to and for others.

    Foreign women are often these creatures, because their perceptions and cultures are not so clogged with inane idealism and warped expectations. 1) Love 2) Family 3) Faith. A beautiful woman understands priorities and celebrates the perfection in imperfection, because that is what existence is.

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  116. on September 3, 2009 at 5:43 pm Michelle

    I think you just described a clingy, desperate, and uneducated woman who has nothing better to do than be a wife.

    [editor: who said anything about marriage?]

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  117. on September 7, 2009 at 3:14 pm monte

    and how about some reciprocity…. how does a girl know she’s won the quality guy lottery?

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  118. on November 6, 2009 at 4:14 pm The Thin Line between Playfulness or Fickleness in Women? « The Life and Trials of an HBD Girl

    […] when I actually went to the referring blog post called “The Perfect Woman” and read Roissy’s laundry list and also his more touching essay. These sections stood out […]

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  119. on November 13, 2009 at 3:18 pm Jay

    “The perfect woman doesn’t sweat the small stuff. There was a dusty, rocky trail in the woods leading up a small hill in my old neighborhood where I grew up that I would walk as a teenager when I needed time to think away from people. Sometimes I would clamber up this trail at night during a summer rainstorm and my sneakers would get caked in mud. At the top I’d sit on the ground and let the rain and mud soak me. It’s liberating to stop caring. Could she join me? If she understands the spirit of living in the moment and putting aside inconsequential worries, if she never once complains about her sneakers getting muddy or the rain messing up her hair, if she HAS PERSPECTIVE… then she is one step nearer perfection.”

    I just spent the last 20 minutes using the search engine trying to find that bit.

    Absolutely fantastic.

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  120. on December 2, 2009 at 7:22 am Quote of the Day « The Adventures of Johnny Abacus

    […] Quote of the Day By Johnny Abacus I feel like the dad coming in on career day and the day[sic – should be dad] before me was a spy. Fuck- Virgle Kent […]

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  121. on April 26, 2010 at 8:36 am The Perfect Wife « Misadventures of Vincent Ignatius

    […] Roissy […]

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  122. on July 11, 2010 at 4:19 pm Antoninus

    I didn’t realize how amazing a woman I have till I read this. Thanks.

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  123. on September 13, 2010 at 1:41 pm The Problem With Women Is Too Much Self-Esteem « Citizen Renegade

    […] in the era of the bloated female ego, the mark of a quality woman is a humble woman. Meet a pretty woman like this — usually foreign, and usually from a strong […]

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  124. on September 15, 2010 at 11:01 am Jessica

    Her eyes are sad… she knows she’s not perfect…has to have at least one flaw you can exploit…

    wow sweetheart, you sound so insecure.

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  125. on October 9, 2010 at 10:55 am Trust

    The perfect woman is a deaf, mute, nymphomaniac.

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  126. on November 15, 2010 at 3:36 pm The Sensitive Girl « Citizen Renegade

    […] Of course, there’s always the option of falling in love with an SG. It’s not like it’s hard to do. […]

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  127. on March 2, 2011 at 4:30 pm Setting The Record Straight « Citizen Renegade

    […] tools to meet, seduce and bring more pleasure to beautiful women, or to meet and seduce that one perfect woman, fall in love with her, and minimize the chance that infidelity will tear them apart. Many men […]

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  128. on March 3, 2011 at 12:06 am Setting The Record Straight |

    […] tools to meet, seduce and bring more pleasure to beautiful women, or to meet and seduce that one perfect woman, fall in love with her, and minimize the chance that infidelity will tear them apart. Many men […]

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  129. on April 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm ron

    Then you should believe in God if for no other reason than because this is a good thing to pray for.

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  130. on April 19, 2011 at 1:00 pm Summaries of the Game: Chapter IV – The Perfect Woman

    […] “The Perfect Woman” by Chateau, Citizen […]

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