Take me to the room where the red’s all red
Take me out of my head-‘s what I said yeah
Hey take me to the room where the green’s all green
And from what I’ve seen it’s hot it’s mean
If the Chinese have any sense of humor to accompany their embrace of manifest destiny they’d choose the above as their Olympics theme song. As this article insists, it’s the way things are shaping up for the 21st century.
What would those Victorian masters of old have made of the fact that Chinese security men were on the streets of London this week, ordering our own police about and fighting running battles with British protesters while bewildered athletes carried the Olympic torch on its relay through the capital?
It was a brazen display of how confident China has become of its new place in the world, just as the British Government’s failure to take a firm stand on Chinese abuses of human rights shows how craven we have become.
The West is weak, a willfully beached whale encumbered and suffocating under its own heaving mass, tired of living, growing old, losing faith, conceding surrender to legal and illegal invasions of foreign hordes with not the slightest bit of inclination or desire to assimilate, and I lay the blame for its critical condition and spiritual stupor squarely at the feet of those guilty Western equalists who got the vapors being Number One. The folly of the Iraq War was simply coda to decades of self-evisceration and puling retreat from national pride.
As it builds gleaming skyscrapers on its fields, China alone consumes half the world’s cement and a third of its steel.
What is happening is so extraordinary that economists have had to invent a new word for it – this is not an economic cycle, but a supercycle, a shift in the world economy of historic proportions.
When demand increases and supply stands still, prices shoot up. Iron, wheat and oil are all at record prices, despite slackening demand in the faltering Western economies.
A double whammy. Demand in the West for materials decrease but prices continue to rise on increased demand in China. A weakened economy could at least eventually benefit from a drop in prices due to weakened demand, but now that is denied us. I see a big hurt coming. Stagflation all over again.
China rises on these factors:
- dem asian smarts perfectly suited for the modern visuo-spatial tech economy
- fierce jingoism
- ethnic pride (what in the West would be called racism)
- a collective spirit of predestination
- a complete absence of self-flagellating guilt
- a first instinct not based on fear or apology, but righteous entitlement
- a less tender ethical sensibility
Remind you of countries past?
Yet there is audacious hope on the horizon.
But Western attitudes will change as well, with a likely shift to the political Right. White liberal guilt, the driving force behind political correctness, will subside as Westerners feel threatened by the global order changing, and their supremacy slipping away.
Anti-Americanism will disappear as Europeans realise how much better it was to have a world super power that was a democracy (however flawed) not a dictatorship.
There is even speculation that the intense economic pressure on countries such as Britain will cause them to trim down their bloated welfare state, simply because it will no longer be affordable at present levels.
I used to think that the physical death of the last wheezing remnants of the Boomer generation would be needed to finally slay the PC Eye of Sauron, but now I see that China’s triumph is the X factor that will re-energize American culture. Chinese supremacy may very well turn out to be a blessing in disguise for an anemic West. In the tribulation of real challenge, of growing powerlessness, America has the opportunity to toss off the shackles of navel-gazing self-doubt and deconstructionist -ism wallowing and reclaim a renewed sense of self. I foresee the Chinese Century ushering in a quietly robust Underground American Century marked by its jettisoning of postmodernist nihilistic silliness.
Real loss of power has a way of focusing the mind.
She’s low down
-She don’t take no prisoners
Go down
-Gonna give me the business
No time
-Yeah chained to the rack!
Show time
-Got a dragon on my back
Show down
-Go find another customer
Slow down
-I gotta make my way*
*yeah, i know this song is probably about drugs, but i liked how it worked as a china metaphor as well.
America just needs to tell China to SHUT THE FUCK UP, that will keep them in line.
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Yawn. All this hoopla over China’s dizzying growth leaves me underwhelmed. China’s been growing for only a little over 30 years, and that is following centuries of precipitous decline. It probably won’t be possible to tell for many years whether this growth is the real deal or just a temporary blip in a long-term decline. And this is not to mention the fact that the growth is not by any means uniform throughout the country, with many regions remaining extremely backwards. China’s rigid population-growth restrictions are coming back to bite it, as labor shortages are forecast to become increasingly severe in the years to come – while Western countries have slow population growth too, by and large their economies are much less labor-intensive than China’s and therefore are more capable of accommodating these demographic issues.
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ethnic pride (what in the West would be called racism)
This is at the very center of Political Correctness and Culture-Death.
There is no taboo that compares to Racism. (I am putting Anti-Semitism and Racism in the same camp here).
John Derbyshire a while back wrote an article on how PC was born because the West humiliated the rest of the world over the last 600 years.
From, about, 1400 to about, say, 1960, the West dominated in almost every dimension: Politics, Science, Technology, Engineering, Art, (yes, Western Art was superior), Music, Literature, Architecture, Transportation, etc.
And the West, in that period, meant White People. To be proud meant to be Racist.
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conceding surrender to legal and illegal invasions of foreign hordes with not the slightest bit of inclination or desire to assimilate
So in other words, David Alexander’s legal immigrant family is why America is faltering against the Chinese.
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China is making lots of mistakes in their modernization and industrialization processes. Their cities are full of smog and pollution. I have a feeling their life expectancy will be dropping due to new rates of cancer etc. cropping up from environmental problems.
I think the “dragon attack” will come in the form of ecological disasters, not superpower-style takeover.
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Nice post. China is on the upswing, and has done a nice job of building a successful 1984 style capitalist society. They are developing a market economy with a command political structure. They have built their internet with controls in mind– Wikipedia has a nice article (with sources even!) detailing the way internet censorship is performed in China. Long story short though, it goes like this:
Capitalist Internet Company: We want access to your huge market of 100M + internet users.
China: Ok, but we get to control everything through you, meaning if we deem it a threat, we lock it down. But don’t worry, you can still sell 99% of the crap you want to.
Capitalist Internet Company: Sounds good, where do we sign?
That being said, China has its own problems, including tremendous social stratification (the poverty is unbelievable in the Western provinces). Of course, in a dictatorship, you’re better equipped to suppress that sort of thing.
The USA needs the competition to stay sharp– we need a “main enemy” we have not had since the USSR fell. Let’s just hope we rise to the challenge. If we fail, we have ourselves to blame. Democracy is nice in that the people get the government they deserve.
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Roissy has written something that I can agree with 100%. Right on!
China does have its social and economic problems. The western regions are still poor (but coming up fast). I have been to China on business. Not just Shanghai and Beijing, but to other places like Ningbo and the like. The economic transformation is definitely real.
As for the U.S., do remember that it took the competitive pressure of the Japanese auto makers to force Detroit to start making good cars again. The same competitive pressure in all sectors by the Chinese will force the U.S. society and economy into shape. We will become the stronger of it.
Remember the expression “that which does not kill me makes me stronger”. The same can be said about the U.S. society and economy.
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To be proud meant to be Racist.
No one would care if China was super proud of itself if the country’s government did not perform so much imprisonment and slaughter, or if Japan didn’t rape and kill so many throughout Asia due to beliefs about its superiority. No one would give a second look to the actions of certain nations if people weren’t bought and sold as slaves or started wars that involved ethnic cleansing.
Being prideful is not to to be confused with being oppressive, violent and murderous. Racism as a verbal or intellectual exercise is not incendiary unless lit with the flames of real actions.
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Normally I would agree, but I’m sure we want China’s present state. They have a population of 1.3 billion people. Of that, 300 million are under the age of 16. At some point, China is going to be faced with feeding all these people at higher standards than the rural fare most of them are accustomed to now. Add to that, if these people ever realize what’s going on, get educated and start taking positions, imagine what a cacophony of 1.3 billion voices is going to sound like. A population of 300 million (US) is difficult enough with all the crap, infighting, and self directed conflagrations we have to contend with (can you imagine, say, 10 million Roissy’s?). China is just starting to face its bigger issues; to say nothing of the fact that many of their neighbors have serious issues, historical or otherwise, with them.
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Uh-oh. Is this the “new direction” you promised? Right-wing rants about the pussification of America and a sepia-toned vision of America’s past greatness before the liberals came along and ruined everything? Awesome.
Please, go back to writing about how bitches ain’t shit but hos and tricks.
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Kasey – They won’t have as much in fighting, becuase people are PROUD to be part of this giant super power. Look at their athletes and if you’ve had the pleasure of traveling there, they have tremendous national pride, and want to show the rest of the world how great they are. We’re (Americans) are more concerned with proving to our neighbor that our view is more correct than that of the guy 2 houses down. When our candidates lose or are losing in national elections, our response is to say, “We should leave the country”.
What’s really remarkable to me, is that people who want to push expensive social welfare or environmental projects defend the hits on the economy by proclaiming that once we set the standard that other countries will follow. WRONG! If you tell a major corporation that they need to lose profits for improved health care or to help with the enviornment, their not going to say sure, their going to move to the east where their primary concerns are increasing wealth and improving infrastructure, instead of appeasing to small self-interest groups.
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Hope, this PC-ness that I speak of is as prevalent in places like Canada and Scotland. Both of which have (basically) no history of what you speak of.
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We need a new society altogether. One that is neither East or West.
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10 “Please, go back to writing about how bitches ain’t shit but hos and tricks.”
Don’t discourage him, Reggie. His mother would be happy that he’s developing other interests.
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Roissy, since I’ve started reading your blog its been one of my favorites, but this post contains so many errors…
The link to the absolut ad is actually the exact opposite of your point.
Supercycle doesnt mean what you think it means. It refers to commodities.
How currency works is as the dollar becomes less valuable, american exports become more attractive because they are cheaper. Deflation is actually a very bad thing. It happened to japan in the 90s. Greenspan was actually mildly worried about it.
America is considered very nationalist by most metrics. Chinese society is based on guilt and “saving face” if you will. The issues of racism is way off base too. Read about racism in Russia.
Britain is far from having a “bloated welfare state.” Also the countries that do the mythical Northern European states are considered some of the best to live in and best goverments in the world.
Deconstructionist doesnt mean what you think it means.
Ugh, I am normally such a big fan of your writing. This has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative or anything else. This is just really sloppy writing full of stupid errors.
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Yeah, Tell those PC liberals what time it is! because nobody’s ever done that on the internet before.
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To get away from all this LGF-lite political crap to something far more interesting (no, boys and girls, not the Glorious Natural Pelt), how’s about this tale of an ultra-nerd in action?
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David #4:
Numbers matter.
The West is not a blank slate or an empty receptacle for other coutures of the world to fill.
The West, specifically, nations that comprise the West, have their own particular identities, cultures, and identities. And their peoples’ resentment at their elites’ pursuit of ‘diversity’ is not illegitimate.
Put it this way: I figure that if one of me moved to Korea, most Koreans would be fine with that, to the extent that they noticed me there. But if me and one million of my cousins moved there, we’d generate legitimate resentment among Koreans for altering their culture and society.
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If you tell a major corporation that they need to lose profits for improved health care or to help with the enviornment, their not going to say sure, their going to move to the east where their primary concerns are increasing wealth and improving infrastructure, instead of appeasing to small self-interest groups.
To describe environmental issues as “small self-interest” is rather ignoring the fact that the UN and most nation-states are also interested in such matters.
Short-term gain then collapse vs. long-term expansion and sustainability. Most entrepreneurs in China are exercising scorch the earth policies that screw up the very infrastructure needed to propel themselves into real superpower status.
If people have to wear gas masks and wear bodysuits Chernobyl-style while walking about, if all the forests are cut turning half the country into desert and the other half into floodland, and if millions of people die from environmental disasters, how much further will their economy expand?
The smartest thing China can do right now is get hardcore about environmentalism with the same strong tyrannical iron fist they’ve been using to curb their massive population which also contributed to their pollution problems. Let’s see if greed, corruption, and already enormous existing environmental problems will accumulate faster than they can scoop out from the hole in the sinking ship.
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Stephen,
Also the countries that do the mythical Northern European states are considered some of the best to live in and best goverments in the world.
1. It’s “governments”
2. I have Swedish friends and I’ve traveled there a few times. The tightening of immigration policy there has been coming for some time (1.1M of the 9M residents are foreign born), and the welfare state that exists there is not helped by this crisis.
3. Alan Greenspan was worried about deflation? When? (Serious question, I would like to know, though I don’t believe you)
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Let’s not forget that age of consent in China is 14, because sexually mature girls can consent
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All that time spent on “day” game and banging mediocre dc chicks has left roissy sadly ignorant of the world.
Please, stick to your knitting. These posts are just sadly lame like 95% of the blogosphere.
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By the way, monohechomierda, you do realize that your pseudonym means monkey turned into shit, which is a metaphor for being extremely exhausted.
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Strange, no one has yet mentioned the potential instability created by the imbalanced demographic in China. There are 100 girls for every 120 boys in China and Asian men are the least desireable mates according to some surveys.
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Why does this remind me of that one Michael Keaton movie where he worked at some car manufacturing plant and was competing against Japan for the plant to stay open. The crew left him so he was going to stay up and build all the cars himself. But then the one sleepy head (Asian) came in to help and then the whole factory pitched in……
Anyways the dollar is so week I pay my strippers in Euros now. The other night I was at da strip club and I gave this chick some stacks in Euros and she was like, “I can’t take these” I told her to invest it in some over seas bonds and when she finished law school she’d have a nice little nest egg to work with. She smiled, then I ended with,
“now turn around, bend over, and spread your butt cheeks, I got places to be on a Tuesday night”
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The view from next door is that Sweden is collapsing and it’s already an authoritarian state with plenty of censorship and political repression to compete with China. The supposed crackdown on immigration is a joke and won’t change much. Damn, I should pirate Photoshop just to retaliate on that Absolut ad.
Unfortunately, we’re following behind, since the Brussels idiots keep pressuring us to share the burden of the joy of multiculturalism and much of the population is too dumb to read the news between the lines (thus, even many who do read the news are stuck wondering about how on earth “Swedish youths” have suddenly become so hopeless).
I’m convinced that the only solution now is for us to desert the sinking white race. All the West once considered Finns Mongoloid, so surely they can consider us Mongoloid again. Why did we bother with whiteness when all it meant was getting screwed by globalist insistence that we take part in suicidal self-loathing? I say we take part in Asian world supremacy.
PS. If this is the new direction, I love it!
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“now turn around, bend over, and spread your butt cheeks, I got places to be on a Tuesday night”
I spit up my vitamin water as I read that. ha!
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i swear, VK, one of these months you’re gonna win the comment of the month award.
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instantExcitement, I would say that you’re describing China today. What about 50 years out? As I said, “if these people ever realize what’s going on, get educated and start taking positions”, they will have problems. It’s a people problem, and a fact of life. Someone else also wrote “Chinese society is based on guilt and ‘saving face'”, which is true but they did have a Tiananmen square incident (when nobody thought anyone would ever stand up to the Army). They also have a growing Falun Gong problem. I’m sure there will be developing friction points as the country evolves. Any country that size will have problems. Lastly, you noted that “people are PROUD to be part of this giant super power”, as long as they get food and cable TV. On the flip side is New Orleans. Now, think about a disaster like that on the Yangtze.
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So the point here is in order to be more competitive America needs to be more racist and xenophobic…? “Just let whitey be whitey, dammit!”
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dchero:
http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/odd-numbers/2008/04/08/greenspan-and-lessons-from-japan
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From information derived from the Durex condom survey and other data on AVERAGE penis sizes including the Master’s and Johnson and Kinsey studies the following are the approximate results:
1. Blacks: 5.85-6.25 inches
2. Caucasians: 5.5-6.0 inches
3. Asians: 5.0-5.5 inches
Give them a break, roissy. They’re #3.
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I grew up in a country where piece of shit Communist scum in power threw around words like “black marketer” and “anti-Socialist” in the same spirit that Mike #30 throws around words such as “racist” and “xenophobic.”
What a fucking idiot.
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“By the way, monohechomierda, you do realize that your pseudonym means monkey turned into shit, which is a metaphor for being extremely exhausted.”
Uh, no. And I don’t really feel like explaining spanish slang to you.
Vk’s comments get me every time. That fucker makes me laugh out loud all the time. There is no higher calling.
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As Argentinian, I’m not really familiar with US spanish slang. Ok, mono might refer to your dick, so monohechomierda could mean that you used your dick a lot. But literal translation is monkey turned into shit.
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Re: Asian smarts, a statistician has suggested that verbal smarts trump visual-spatial smarts in business / econ success:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm
Check out Wall St — are East Asians dominating, or Ashkenazi Jews? The latter, because their braininess is mostly due to verbal smarts.
And most of East Asia tends to really flag behind the West in innovation — Japan is a bit of an exception, as in every other aspect (it’s an island). Overall, though, they’ll be great at laying a strong foundation but probably won’t be able to push forward.
These are just qualitative patterns, and we don’t know how much weight to give to each factor, so I’m agnostic on Chinese supremacy.
BTW, for balance, when do we get to hear a paleoconservative teach us how to fingerbang a girl on the dancefloor within five minutes of meeting her?
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Also, when most rockstars or celebrities enter their political phase, it’s just a bunch of college student protestor stuff, in content and attitude. Refreshing to see someone “go political” in a more grown-up way.
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“monohechomierda”
Sounds like something VK might catch on a Tuesday night.
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Ha, jaakeli,
I had a Finnish friend once, as pale and blonde as a human can get – but she had to special-order her contact lenses because her flatter eye-balls could not handle the more rounded standard contact lens which was all that most Canadian suppliers carried. So perhaps Finns are “mongoloid” by race after all. I always used to tell my friend that she looked a bit like a blonde Balinese.
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btw, jaakkeli, you may want to read my bachelor party post. the girl i seduced was finnish.
i have to say, even though we only spent two weekends together i have very fond memories of her. quite a looker, and sweet without being ingratiating. she had an amazing natural aroma.
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As I said, “if these people ever realize what’s going on, get educated and start taking positions”, they will have problems.
As opposed to getting educated, knowing what’s going on and going along with it to advance your own career? All you need to create stable authoritarianism is to build an incentive structure where it pays off to lie and attack the people who refuse to go along with the ideology. If you can do that, authoritarianism will work well, since people will actually get genuinely angry at the nasty people who tell the truth and thus threaten their status racket.
It’s not like someone in the Soviet bloc thought they were being told the full truth. It went down because the system couldn’t deliver the bread and circus and because they had taken in so many non-Russian peoples who couldn’t be re-educated on how they actually joined peacefully and willingly. China doesn’t have either problem. It can stay totalitarian forever if it doesn’t screw up in some other way.
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Whitey is not having enough babies; the result of short term thinking and gratification.
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lol I love PA. Nobody cares where you grew up. Get over it.
Back to the main point…well, I guess I’m just not seeing one. I mean I enjoy the rhetorical flourishes as much as anyone, but this post seems like a lot of ornate packaging for a pretty small gift. What is the point here? What’s the idea you’re trying to convey? It looks like this is the general argument:
1. The West is declining.
2. China is rising.
3. America needs to be more _______ to compete.
The blank is what I’m not clear on. Less P.C.? More interventionist? More isolationist? Spell it out for me.
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But roissy, didn’t you know, Alan Greenspan and a merry band of economists conquered western inflation – it had nothing whatsoever to do with the chinese industrial revolution lowering the prices of most goods. We can brainstorm ourself out of this one too!
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agnostic, for celebs going against the trendy leftism trend, check out Brigitte Bardot, sex bomb turned anti-Islamization crusader. She’s getting prosecuted for hate speech again. (For the funniest part, the French diversity mafia who’ll try ANYTHING to shut her up has actually tried prosecuting her for homophobia. Of course, like all female ubercelebs, she’s spent most of her life with a massive gay entourage.)
alias clio, if you look at Egypt or Bangladesh and compare them to China or Korea, you’ll quickly realize that the Caucasoid race is darker than the Mongoloid race. So paleness is just further proof of Mongoloidness.
roissy, I know what you mean. White people smell bad!
mike, I don’t know what America needs, but I know what we need in Finland: an immigration policy mostly restricted to importing fellow Asians. We could also perhaps try to lure in some Jews fleeing the newly Islamized regions, a modern Fugu plot of a sort. You could learn some border control from us, seeing that we have a 1000-mile long border with a hopelessly poor country and an illegal alien problem that’s almost completely restricted to my street.
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Wasn’t Finnland Nazi Germany’s best and most competent ally against the Soviet Union during WWII, and that Hitelr considered Finns to be Aryans?
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We could also perhaps try to lure in some Jews fleeing the newly Islamized regions
What “newly Islamized regions?” Islam’s geographical expansion ended centuries ago. In fact, as was noted recently on Gene Expression, its reach in parts of Africa actually seems to be shrinking in the face of Christian expansion. Islam generally has very little appeal to persons not born Muslim, with most of its converts in the West coming from the lumpenproletariat. Most of the Jews living in predominately Muslim countries either have left already or are unlikely to leave except in extreme circumstances.
You could learn some border control from us [Finland], seeing that we have a 1000-mile long border with a hopelessly poor country
The Finland/Russia per capita income gap is proportionately very similar to the U.S./Mexico gap.
You’d of course know more about this, but I’ve read that the reason why Finland isn’t swamped with illegal Russian immigrants is because (1) much of the border is very remote, with no road crossings or nearby towns and a hostile climate for several months of the year; and (2) it is very difficult to get jobs, housing, government services etc. in Finland without proof of legal residency.
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@Peter
Recently, the EU betrayed Christian Serbia and Kosovo is now Islamic. Hundreds of new Moschees are buing built in Europe.
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Jaakkeli, I am curious, how would you feel if the majority of Finland voted to end all immigration for, say, 50 years?
For it? Against it? Indifferent?
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47 Peter:
Just as Mark Steyn is overstating the case of European islamization (he sounds as though Euro birthrates are not low but zero), you are understating it.
You’re ignoring the continuing immigration, the birthrate differential, the anti-assimilative patterns of radicalized of nth generations, and most importantly, the Euro elites’ use of Muslims as a hammer with which native populations are smashed.
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Gannon, Germany was first an ally of Russia and acted against Finland although did not declare war during the war in 1939-1940. The Russian conquest failed but produced a problem with about 15 % of Finns being suddenly homeless and stripped of all their belongings and eager to strike back. So, Finland sought friendly relations with Germany, believing that Germany would invade Russia. Technically, Finland was never an ally of Germany and the Russians attacked Finland even the second time as they dropped the first bombs, but morally it’s clear that the second time Finland invaded Russia. Finland then sued for peace before Germany did and fought the third war coinciding with WWII to expel Germans from Finland.
Any competence against the Russians is a matter of pride for Finns, of course. Whether there were Nazis, vampires or demonic beasts on the same side doesn’t matter.
The Nazis never had a clear racial policy on Finns, but it is clear that Finns were not considered Aryans. Intermarriages between Finns and Germans had to be approved by Hitler himself (although a photograph was enough, it did require a racial examination). Heinrich Himmler, sort of the leader of Nazi racial mythologists, did not consider Finns to be Asian and stated that Finns and Aryans have common ancestors, but most of the German academics he gathered considered Finns to be Mongoloid. Ideological Nazi recruitement in Finland was limited to the Swedish minority (who often had Nazi sympathies, since at the time Finland had troubled ethnic relations and many Swedes wanted the Germanic racialists to come save them).
In any case, no true Finnish nationalist would consider himself Aryan. The word Aryan actually exists as an ancient loanword in Finnish. It means “slave”.
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Terrible post. I’ll read Foreign Affairs if I want to hear intelligent discussion of what some perceive as the decline of Western power relative to rising Asian power. If I want to read nonsense diatrabe, I’ll read the NY Times. Neither belongs on a blog like this.
@dchero #20 – Read… let’s see… any WSJ article around 2003, Alan Greenspan’s Age of Turbulence, the many FT and WSJ articles that have cropped up lately either criticizing or defending Fed policy of post-dotcombust.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120760341392296107.html
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Wow, this new direction makes me almost miss the old direction. At least the old direction sometimes made me laugh.
VK, you’re paying strippers in euros? With the upcoming global economic collapse, I’ve been paying my strippers in livestock and consumer durables. It’s retro barter time!
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What “newly Islamized regions?”
Rosengård, Rinkeby, Angered… I’ve spoken to Swedish Jews who are considering leaving out of fear. The urban areas in many European countries are getting less and less safe for Jews (and eg. gays – it’s ridiculous when gay couples have to fear for their lives in neighbourhoods of Amsterdam). The press keeps silent about who’s behind the rising anti-Semitic violence in the hope that people would imagine blonde neo-Nazis, but only the most clueless are buying that.
It’s obvious even in Finland with a very small minority. I used to live next to the Israeli embassy and there’s a lot of trouble. Also, a lot of Europeans are joining the political anti-Semitism, but… I’ve seen plenty of pale faces screaming violent slogans and those are not far *right* activists.
As for your reasons, (1) is probably partially true, especially if you note that there’s a local Russian migration magnet in St. Petersburg and (2) is also true – but that’s something you get with enforcement. Note that there are many Finnish-speakers and speakers of closely related languages in Russia who would have an even easier time blending in Finland than Mexicans in the US. In fact, during Soviet times, when Finns would’ve welcomed border jumpers, the Soviet Union put a lot of pressure on Finland to find and return defectors. Enforcement can be done even when no one except the far left actually wants to do it. Strangely, for the Americans it’s impossible when everyone except the far left wants it…
The territory is not hard during the warm months. If I wanted to jump a border, I’d much rather do it here where it’s just a line in the comfortable forest.
Usually Lurking, I don’t want to stop all immigration, I just want to end the phony asylum seeking industry and get rid of the domination of nutty leftist politics on immigration (Europeans have to deal with powerful idiots who think that Canada is a racist country since it chooses – DISCRIMINATES! – immigrants based on useful skills and so on).
I’d just choose by an evaluation of whether the sending country is too hopelessly primitive.
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So I take it nobody knows the movie I’m talking about…. you know this will bother me all day people.
Fuck you all
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VK, I remember the movie, I saw it in the theaters. I just don’t remember the title.
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gung ho! i did not check imdb, i swear it.
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Gung Ho. I remember it because as a kid I thought the ho was for, you know, ho, and I thought the film was going to be awesome.
Fuck those Chinese hos, whatever they are!
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Usually Lurking, I don’t want to stop all immigration…
I understand, I was just curious.
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OMG was that really the title??? Holy shit the 80’s just got that much gayer. I wonder what was the gross on that jank
Roissy, you cheated bama, everyone knows you were the regional manager at your local theater when that movie came out….. wait what
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Old Silvio and Roissy would get along methinks. Oh, and one additional reason.
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You were the only employee with benefits, a 401k and showed up to work driving a De Lorean
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hey silvio sounds like a real paesan. looks great for 71, too. also looks like my maternal grandfather.
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You should study him on youtube. I bet that would make a great alpha body language post.
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I’ll chime in on SWEDEN in a bit…
meanwhile check out this brilliant video from my favorite “news source”
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/china_celebrates_its_status_as
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I don’t like to talk about race/ethnicity on the blogspere often but here goes.
“ethnic pride (what in the West would be called racism”
Black people in my circle and I do not have a problem with people have pride for their ethnicity. When I see people wearing shirts that say, “Italians do it better” or “Irish girls are hotter” that is so not a big deal. Likewise, when I hear white Americans talk about the European countries of their ancestors it does not anger me at all. When Saint Patrick’s Day comes around, you may notice that many black people wear green. I think it is a good thing when people celebrate their heritage. A Chinese-American celebrating Chinese New Year is not offensive in my book. I can honestly say I have never heard any black person in passing complain when another group wants to celebrate their ethnicity and or cultural holidays etc.
It becomes ugly when people say (with menace) that we are superior to all other groups, we are Gods chosen people, you are inferior because you come from this ethnic group etc.
I have noticed that many people are hostile to African-Americans who attempt to identify with Africa. Most African-Americans cannot point to an African country and say this is where my ancestors come from in the same way that your average white American can point to European country on a map and say my ancestors came from this country or these countries. We were forced to give up most of our cultural practices during the “seasoning” process. This is part of the reason why some African-Americans are very resistant to having English names for the sake of blending in. At most, black Americans can claim West Africa since most slaves brought to the Americas were taken from West Africa (west 87%, central 11%, and east 2%). Others black Americans choose a country based on comparing their features/looks to those with the Africans they see in America.
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the one child policy and the skewed gender ratio it created will cause a huge decline 20-30 years out.
of all the modern(western) economies only the US is producing enough offspring. (you can thank the deep south for that)
most of europe will/is become/ing home to a growing muslim population through immigration to keep the population from declining.
fact is the whole of capitalism is based on growth which at it’s core is based on poputation growth.
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mr. mike, no. The American white birth rate is just average for a European population and American whites will shrink as a population without immigration. The African-American birth rate is somewhat higher, but it’s still dwarfed by rates in some new minorities. That is, immigrants are the real reason for America’s higher birth rate.
Also a large part of the scare is an inability to grasp statistics and the fact that the so-called total fertility rates will show a deep drop whenever people are postponing having children even if they’ll eventually have just as many or more children.
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“Also a large part of the scare is an inability to grasp statistics and the fact that the so-called total fertility rates will show a deep drop whenever people are postponing having children even if they’ll eventually have just as many or more children.”
so after climbing the career ladder and “postponing” kids until you’ve acheived something, you’ll have 3 pregnancies in a row to make up for lost time.
riiiight
PS i don’t mean “you” in a personal way
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so after climbing the career ladder and “postponing” kids until you’ve acheived something, you’ll have 3 pregnancies in a row to make up for lost time.
Sorry, I should’ve said that much of the alarmism is caused by the inability to grasp anything.
A woman who has her first child at 15 will have not have any more children than a woman who has her first child at 25 unless she actually makes more. The point is that a lot of people have decided from the start that they want, say, three children and then they can safely postpone that from teens to twenties and to some extent to thirties. There isn’t enough fertility decline in that time to matter for birth rates. The TFR is an estimate of future child births based on the assumption that women who didn’t have children by a certain age are not planning to have any more children than women who had no children by that age in the previous generation. If those who never wanted more than three children are postponing, which they can fairly safely do, it will underpredict fertility.
And that’s what’s obviously happening, if you look at eg. completed fertility rates (which are not estimates but actual child counts) and the gap to TFRs.
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jaakkeli,
If the children of the 25 or 35 year old who has 3 children also delay child-bearing until they are 25-35 and the children of the 15 year old have children then the impact on the population make up is significant even if they have the same number of children in their lifetimes.
A: 35 years – 3 children
B: 20 years – 3 children
B: 40 years – 3 children, 9 grandchildren
B: 60 years – 3 children, 9 grandchildren, 27 great-grandchildren
A: 70 years – 3 children, 9 grandchildren
By 85 years, the B’s have had another generation and the A grandchildren are 10 years away from having their 3 kids.
Total population
A’s family: 12
B’s family: 39
That’s assuming that As and Bs have the same number of children just timed differently.
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“Sorry, I should’ve said that much of the alarmism is caused by the inability to grasp anything.”
I’m sorry i didn’t grasp that most teens choose to postpone pregnancy until they at least finish high school.
usually when some one mentions a woman postponing children, I tend to operate under the assumtion that it means graduating college and having established oneself.
I don’t know but to the word postoned implies that an already planned occurance is being rescheduled for a later date if you will. (i guess it’s a from of flakiness)
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Note: did not read any of the other comments.
China is also riding a bubble economy that makes our mortage crisis look like a bad night at Grandmama’s penny-ante gin rummy game. And localized runaway inflation. And a disregard for original thought so utter that even in China a scientific paper requires a Western name on it to be taken seriously.
And they block Youtube, so you can’t watch the Windowlicker video over and over. Revolution is just around the corner.
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yo man, that aphex twin video is tripping. not a bad beat.
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Couldn’t find much to disagree with here (about China, not America), and not from lack of trying. Growth is undeniable, and capitalist China is embracing the new landscape with a dog-eat-dog gusto not seen in the US since westward expansion. Manifest destiny, indeed. Racial, cultural pride is nothing new. The Chinese always have thought of themselves as the greatest nation on earth, and now it’s time for payback. “Rightful entitlement” and “absence of self-flagellating guilt,” as you say, are defining characteristics of the new China.
By the way, although ethnic pride and racism aren’t the same thing, China does have plenty of both. Also fuck you for buying into the racial IQ crap.
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an illegal alien problem that’s almost completely restricted to my street.
so, you live in mini-mini-micro-mogadishu?
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chic noir
Most African-Americans cannot point to an African country and say this is where my ancestors come from in the same way that your average white American can point to European country on a map and say my ancestors came from this country or these countries.
two things.
(1) in my halcyon days in Southern elementary schools, the most common show-and-tell topic among black kids was their long-ago ancestors’ harrowing experience on the middle passage. therefore, a deep awareness was etched into their minds even at that age, and those are the kinds of things that don’t fade.
(2) your statement may be true, but not for the reason you think. here’s why it’s true: none of the countries to which they COULD point existed when their ancestors were forced to leave.
with the exception of liberia (1847), every single country on the face of the african continent became independent after 1951. nineteen fifty-one.
so, where would they point?
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peter:
What “newly Islamized regions?” Islam’s geographical expansion ended centuries ago.
why don’t you take the following european tour:
malmo
east ham
bradford
manchester
antwerp
kreuzberg (berlin)
wedding (berlin)
neukolln
saint-denis
lille/tourcoing
dortmund
duisburg
when you’re finished, tell me whether you still agree that islam is in geographical stasis.
these places, where the spirit of sharia hangs palpably in the air, are the future of europe.
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I’m sorry i didn’t grasp that most teens choose to postpone pregnancy until they at least finish high school.
Don’t try to be a smartass if you dont know what you’re talking about. That’s *exactly* what’s happening: teenage pregnancies have been declining in most of the West. Since those women are likely to have kids anyway, just a little later, that means a slump in total fertility rates. In other words, the apparent TFR drop has been partly driven by postponement of childbirth from teens to twenties. (In fact, one reason America has a lesser apparent slump in TFR is that it’s teen pregnancy rate has declined less. The same for Britain vs. continental Europe.)
usually when some one mentions a woman postponing children, I tend to operate under the assumtion that it means graduating college and having established oneself.
That shit is irrelevant. No, I meant simply deciding to have that baby next day or next month or whatever, any increase in age of mothers. That’s what people who discuss fertility mean by postponing. I sort of erraneously assumed that if someone doesn’t go “huh???” at the term “total fertility rate” they can be assumed to know what postponing means in fertility discussions…
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an illegal alien problem that’s almost completely restricted to my street.
so, you live in mini-mini-micro-mogadishu?
No, our refugee problem is legal, unfortunately. I live on the nation’s main street prostitute street.
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I live on the nation’s main street prostitute street.
niin selvä on, että asut A. Kiven ja Flemingin katujen nurkan lähellä. eikö niin?
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Haha! Joo.
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Stephen, you were right. In addition to that article you sent me, I found this one:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/22/BUGTO68NVP1.DTL&type=business
This reaction to perceived deflationary pressure accounts for a lot of the financial issues we are running into now. I’m shocked this isn’t talked about more, it’s huge.
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It’s talked about very often. Maybe you’re reading the wrong things? It’s probably not mentioned in Maxim.
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1) in my halcyon days in Southern elementary schools, the most common show-and-tell topic among black kids was their long-ago ancestors’ harrowing experience on the middle passage. therefore, a deep awareness was etched into their minds even at that age, and those are the kinds of things that don’t fade.
Johhny, the middle passage is just that. I am talking about before the inslavement period. Some African-Americans find it embarssing and annoying that our history is sometimes recorded beging during the start of slavery. I am willing to bet you never heard any of your black classmates talk about which tribe/ ethnic group their ancestors came from.
Now as far as pointing out areas on the map, if an AA knew what tribe their(some) ancestors were from, he or she could point to a map and locate the tribes current location.
for example: If I found out my ancestors were Xhousa then I would most Xhousa living in Southern and South Africa. If my ancestors were Wolof, then I can look at present day Sengal as their home. If my ancestors are Yourba then I would look to present day Nigeria and Benin. If my ancesotrs were Fulani, then they lived in various areas of West Africa.
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84 Chic Noir
So whom are your ancestors?
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I don’t know I am an AA.
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When someone asks me where my backward, black, third world state my ancestors are from, I tell them…
Mississippi.
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you dissapoint me on this one sir; spoken like a true beta. this same crap was peddled in the 80’s and you might notice we aren’t all speaking japanese now. flush out your head gear and get some better sources for your inputs. or stick to snuffling crotches. your choice.
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I’ve noticed that no one here has pointed out the essential difference between Japan in the ’80’s and China today.
Japan’s economy in the 1980’s was driven by large corporations that were backed by cheap money (after all, it WAS a bubble). In contrast, China’s growth is driven mostly by entrepreneurial start-ups and small to medium sized companies. Any of you who have been to China to do business there can attest to this. This suggests that China’s growth is more real and sustainable and will continue for quite some time. Of course, there will be dips and bends along the way. But, their long-term prospects are generally up.
This is why I think China is much more real than Japan was in the 1980’s.
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I’ve noticed that no one here has pointed out the essential difference between Japan in the ’80’s and China today.
Yeah. China is big.
Nothing really surprising happened to Japan: it settled down into an ordinary wealthy country. With 1/3 of US population and about 1/10 of total European-derived population, the idea that they could’ve been a serious rival for #1 position was ridiculous from the beginning. But with today’s Japanese per capita GDP, China would be way, way ahead of US and even ahead of the EU + US total.
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My point is that entrepreneurs and small companies, not giant bureaucracies create wealth and economic growth. Japan’s development was “top-down”. China’s is “bottom-up”. Decentralized bottom up system are always more capable and offer more long-term growth than centralized top-down ones.
It is for this reason why I think China has very good long term growth prospects.
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So, Japan had a 1980s bubble? So what? Everyone did. Finland, for example, had a massive one that popped to produce a deeper depression than the 1930s one (the 1990s one is called “Great Depression” here). In fact, it was very similar to Japan’s, the main difference is handling the pop: we opted to have a deep crisis while Japan got a long crisis.
Japan maybe had an exceptional bubble, but its popping still left behind a wealthy country. That’s the point: the only people who were wrong about Japan were those who believed that Japan could develop an economy that’s far better in per capita terms than anyone else’s. China doesn’t need that. It doesn’t even need to reach solid first world status before it’s total GDP exceeds the US. It can pull a Japan and it’ll still rule the world.
We seem to agree, but for different reasons…
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Futilius: “Also fuck you for buying into the racial IQ crap.”
You gotta love so-called liberals. Futilius here says Roissy deserves to be “fucked” for believing in a certain scientific hypothesis. You’d want to put him under house arrest, I’d bet, just like Galileo. Ever hear of this interesting thing called “rational debate”, as opposed to simply telling people you disagree with that they deserve to be fucked?
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^^^ scotty:
you seem to be implying the existence of actual evidence upon which futilius might possibly rely.
i’m touched by your solicitude, but sound and fury are all that’s available to those who try to refute uncomfortable yet glaringly obvious facts. so, not surprisingly, sound and fury are what you get.
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A little late, but…
Hey there scottynx and johnny five. I believe race is so intertwined with culture and economics that it’s impossible to determine if it is actually the factor behind IQ gaps in tests. Psychological elements also get overlooked, such as reduced confidence from social status (and even, gasp, racism. Nope, it’s not gone). And this is a scientific issue, no reason to call me a liberal for going with one side or the other.
Also, I actually responded to the China analysis. The “fuck you” comment was meant to be an obviously tongue-in-cheek expression of exasperation, to provide rationale for not starting an endless “rational debate” on the issue.
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Damn good post. This PC bullshit is rampant not just in America, but across the whole Western world. With luck the resurgence you speak of will lead to the next Renaissance and finally rid the world of the postmodern nonsense and self hatred that currently defines the West.
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All China has to do is just start recruiting all the laid off 50 year old divorced engineers to rebuild up to where the us is at now in technology. All these divorced fucked guys that built a lot of the old shit. Then piece that together to create the most powerful military known to man. Create a Dubai type playland for these geeky fucks where the reward is mass pussy on demand. They will work like good little slaves reproducing what they have achieved in the past from an appreciative ruler. Give them a place they can have kids that are theirs that cannot be taken away in china. Immigration out the yong yang.
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Course that will work on younger generation as well. Look at best and brightest wanting to get into google except at the chinese version it ain’t just free soda and chips he he he
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This thread got by me the first time around, but I’m pleased to see someone revived the thread.
Having said that however, I too am a bit perplexed by Roissy’s point and intention by his post, as I see a number of themes here that kind of are disconnected from each other, really. I don’t see how China’s supposed ascendancy has anything to do w/any decline of the West (which I also think is a bit overwrought; if anything the West is likely to continue in terms of its influence and world-leading cache’).
The major changes that Roissy speaks to are more reflective of an ongoing status and class war btw and among White folks, which, for some reason, many of those who agree w/Roissy don’t seem able to substantially address.
The lack of TFR among the “right”, small “r”, White folks ain’t the fault of “others”, ie immigrants, legal or illegal, though I do agree w/stronger limits on both, particular the latter; the real issue is the simple fact that White Men enmasse don’t seem all that able to convince White Women to have babies, as say, Russia clearly shows. And scapegoating won’t help either.
As for Chic Noir’s points wrt African American heritage, she nailed some very good points down, and Johnny Five’s reply was good too, though a bit incomplete. While he’s right to note that African had no nation state as we would recognize them today, and that Africa came out from under colonization in the 50s (Ghana was first in 1957 I believe), what J5 leaves out is that such nation state borders were in place for much longer under European colonialism, going well back into the 19th century, if not longer. SAFR is a good example.
Again, Chic makes a very good point-there IS a kind of special kind of hatin’ on display when Black folks wish to display pride in their ancestral origins among a significant number of Whites, that doesn’t seem to be the case when other groups do the same thing, with the possible exception of Mexican folk. Fascinating commentary on the state of the White Psyche.
O
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blacks and whites passe worshipping china is in.
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Gunny,
Well, if the recent elesction of Obama, along w/the near obsession in this and venues, about B-W IQ differences and the like are any indication, clearly you’re wrong. America has been and will be, for the foreseeable, be wholly obsessed about its racial heritage, particularly its Black and White halves.
O
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Not important though it will change. Black and white doesn’t mean anything. All that matters is you save your genes for the future. Thats it. Time to get the fuck out of dodge.
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Gunny,
Again, I think you need to get back stateside. Black and White mean *everything* here in the states, and we all know it. Race is embedded in our national DNA, and it aint goin nowhere anytime soon.
O
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Naa man I’ll be heading over to china with a banjo on my knee.
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Gunny,
I don’t think the Chinese are very familiar w/the Banjo, an African instrument, btw. Hmm.
O
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