Take a look at this “man” (and I use the term loosely):
This twee little turd was photographed at the opening of the new Brooklyn Flea market, written about in this New York Times article. The annoyance level of this picture is a 9 on the Prickter scale. There’s so much hideousness to choose from that you’ll have to decide what’s most annoying. Personally, it’s a toss-up between the billowing flowered scarf and the gloves in April.
If you needed one picture to sum up everything that’s wrong with a once great nation, this will do. From the doughy flaccid face begging for a punch to the exquisitely scuffed boots, he’s a pure distillation of decadent pointlessness. An asexual globule of fey excess. A consumerist wastrel. He’s like the anti-Christ of virile manhood: the anti-man. The nearer you get to him, the more testosterone he sucks out of your soul. Ironically, the closer women get to him the more manly they become, probably out of spite. Women tend to take on the characteristics of men when the men in their lives forfeit the job.
Here’s the catch: If he’s straight, I bet he gets laid more than the average straight American man. Why? Because he’s not average. Stepping out of the mainstream, no matter how preposterous, gets a man noticed by women. Most will hate him, some will be indifferent, and a few will love him like a rock star. This equation adds up to more pussy than the average guy can get, since average men are hated by some women and unnoticed by all the rest. A bland average man never starts off with a small but firm base of aroused women.
It’s for this reason I define alpha males as those who can secure the best pussy in the greatest quantities on the most favorable terms. Bowling 300 is an alpha trait, but skipping the bowling competition to violate a hipsterette’s mouth in the back of a coat check of a dingy club is alpha itself.
ps: men should never go to flea markets. are you a gatherer, or a hunter?
pps: whitepeople love postscripts.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Lesson numbers one, two, and three – don’t be like everyone else.
The guy looks like a artist/musician type and thus, there are many beautiful women who’d want to learn more about him just after looking at him. I’m guessing Dockers and a polo shirt would not elicit the same reaction. 🙂
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Handicap principle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_principle
If he can survive and get by in life despite the obvious fact that he looks like a pauperised codfish, then there must be something to this retro-metro. Or so the female mind thinks.
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nice to see you back in your principal bailiwick.
Here’s the catch: If he’s straight, I bet he gets laid more than the average straight American man. Why? Because he’s not average.
you appear to be mistaking a necessary condition for a sufficient condition. back to first-order logic 101 for you.
there are certain kinds of non-average that will get you laid, other kinds that might get you laid (but never by females whose looks would rate neutral or basic on the pH scale), and still others that will invite nothing but derision and obloquy from females.
straights who follow this guy’s lead** fall into the second category, but only out of necessity: one look reveals that they have no hope of generating attraction via traditional masculinity, so they have to go for the hail mary.
please, please, please don’t write a column that will encourage hopeless betas to engage in hopelessly misguided attempts at peacocking. but if you must, then take pictures and distribute them widely.
**most straight men can’t even make that facial expression, not to mention wear those jeans, so i’ll assume he’s gay. but at least he doesn’t keep his wallet in his back pocket.
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Sheeeet, throw in a two foot tall black fuzzy top hat, some raver goggles up on the forehead, a pair of bird-watching binoculars, some eyeliner, and a purple, form-fitting, crushed-velvet trenchcoat, and maybe this guy will one day translate tastefulness into as much tang as Mystery.
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Hah. Dear Lord.
http://images.google.com/images?q=mystery+pick+up+artist&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&safe=off&start=0&sa=N
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please, please, please don’t write a column that will encourage hopeless betas to engage in hopelessly misguided attempts at peacocking.
Fuck that, didn’t you see what it did for David Wain??
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/funny-cause-its-kinda-true/
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Ugh. Classic DC rant on hating fashion. *single tear*
But seriously, just because most men here don’t have the balls to care about style doesn’t mean you must hate on those who do. And, yes, I get that this man’s look is not everyone’s proverbial cup of tea (although that jacket is spectacular), but, it works for him, whereas pleated khakis and polos just make dudes look like dishabille asshats. (DC, please take note.)
Also, I don’t think a pair of tight pants and “gloves in April” (um, which I myself wore just last week, although they were glovelets, natch, so again I “get” where he’s coming from fashion-wise), are cause for making blanket assumptions about this man’s degree of masculinity or, even worse, his sexual preference (in the case of a commenter). If he was pictured making out with a man, then yes, there’d be cause to speculate that he might be gay, but for the love of Tight Pants, this man is just dressed in a very different aesthetic than DC’s (laughable) “alphas” are used to. Therefore, any assumption on his sexuality or “manliness” just makes you look like an ignorant little bitch or an ignorant “twee little turd,” as it were.
In short, I’d simply say get over it, but I think it’d be nice if men here (and women) started taking a few more liberties in how they present themselves to the public. Fashion is your friend. Don’t fight it.
PS — (White people also love parentheticals.)
Sincerely,
Marissa 🙂
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Tight pants are in.
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Marissa
You spend your whole blog bitching about DC (and living here) then you come here and tell someone else to “get over it”…. you’ve got to be fucking kidding me right?
Take that self righteous I’m better than everything in DC and I’m so fashion forward because I can pull off wearing gloves in April hipster bullshit some where else.
Bitch please
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The look is all wrong. It seems like he’s trying for a gracile dandy effect, but the scarf bulks him up.
His face is wrong for this look too. He’s got that flushed higher-than-average testosterone look, and he probably gets a five o’clock shadow. A David Bowie high cheekbones porcelain skin face is much better suited for what he’s trying to achieve.
His hair lacks the necessary flair. It needs to be styled or otherwise done so he doesn’t look like a mechanic who just took off his Jiffy Lube cap.
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coming from the female perspective….if he’s gonna go all out why does he complete the look with shabby shoes? If you’re going for gay chic…the shoes don’t fit the look.
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Is that an orange concert band outside the coat? I find that supremely obnoxious.
His whole outfit screams “I will blather on inanely about some indie band that does not even exist yet. We will then have milquetoast sex where the whole goal is for me to hold you, very tenderly.”
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Gosh, VK, I would think you could recognize that Marissa’s blog is satire. Maybe you’re not in on the joke?
I don’t reallycare for the guy’s outfit – I like aspects of it, but put it all together and it’s overkill. But as it’s not doing me any real harm, I don’t much care.
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Ah yes, upscale emo hipster and by upscale I mean he isn’t wearing chucks. As a resident of NYC, I see this shit all over the east village and williamsburg. You had commented on the herb effect in DC recently. Well this is NY’s equivalent to that.
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I doubt he’s straight.
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Gosh Shannon, Satire or not anyone wearing recycled 80’s wear, trying to put a spin on it and acting like it’s “fashion forward” does not get tell anyone anything about fashion or style. That shit is whack and I’m tire of hipsters acting like their so a head of the curve when their whole style is consists of taking “vintage” looks from back in the day, putting it together in a smorgasbord of over kill, then pointing their noses up and judging who’s fashionable and who isn’t.
I’d rather talk to the dumb chick wearing “Heidiwood” than listen to some emo fashion snob talk shit abou t DC fashion. Take your ass to Williamsburg then Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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VK–
“Bitch please” = feisty! Kinda like it!
Um, actually, I don’t use my *whole* blog just to bitch about DC. Clearly, you’re not a regular reader. Too bad because I like a little debate.
And if you read my above comment again, I didn’t say “get over it.” In fact, I overtly said I *wasn’t* saying that. Instead, I say, embrace it. Moreover, my qualm here isn’t necessarily with Roissy mocking this guy’s pants (Lord knows I’ve mocked my fair share of pants, etc.); it’s with the assumptions that accompanied it (i.e. he’s less of a man because of his attire). That’s mean.
Lastly, I’m more smug than self-righteous and they were glovelets, not gloves.
Take care!
Marissa
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VK–
Now I feel like I’m e-stalking…but your second comment only went up after mine. Fashion IS taking old things and ideas and making them new. I challenge you to find a designer that *doesn’t* do that.
Now back to me, natch (and yes, the “natch” was added so you’d hate me more): I pay close attention to the runways and that is what it is. Not to sound “self-righteous,” but me caring and paying attention and putting thought into dressing myself automatically makes me more fashion-forward than someone who does not. It’s like if someone goes to the gym and watches what they eat. Chances are that person will be objectively more health-concsious than someone who eats potato chips and watches TV all day. It’s just fact.
Best,
Marissa
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Yup…that guy definitely likes penis.
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The dude is straight, has a huge trust fund, and is ALPHA as fuck. He could verbally and physically kick the shit out of Roissy without blinking.
You gotta remember that before we bought into the Victorian/blue collar dumbing down of male clothing, rich aristocrats rocked straight up pimp shit and dressed 10 times better than women.
I’m talking about feathers, bling, capes, hats, canes. Just look at what the rich, macho dudes of old wore. Bullfighters, military men, etc.
Typical Manhattan bitches in typical upscale Manhattan clubs fall all over him. He’s rocking the “I’m an aristocrat, and Roissy and his family till the fucking soil for me” look.
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In his defense on the gloves, the article said it was freaking freezing at the flea market opening last week. Frankly, I’m surprised you even made it past the assault on the ocular cavities that was the picture of the three plus-size vintage clothing merchants.
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I knew a lot of guys in HS who tryed to become cool and get into the girls panties by having long hair or changing their haircolors. Having a small beard on the chin also was considered cool, Most of the times, however, their strategy didn’t work.
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Forget the pants or even the rest of the clothes…the look and the specific beard are definitely saying to me, “Come here, tiger, put your cock in my mouth for a while….”
Anyway, to get back on topic, I agree with above about the concert band over the coat. You came straight from the rave to the flea market? Dressed like that? Most annoying thing. The old woman’s scarf is second.
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The jacket is too tight and he looks like a Civil War re-enactor. Oscar Wilde and James Whistler would laugh their asses off if they saw him walking down the street. Or throw up from the combo of brown gloves with black shoes. But it could be worse. Instead of a paisley scarf, he could be wearing a kaffiyeh.
Manhattan women with gold-digging radar would ignore him because he looks like a fashion victim that mixes H&M finds with thrift store clothing. They go for bejewelled & well-groomed black guys, crass hedgefund dudes or guys earning Euros sporting that Gianni Agnelli look.
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Hair does drastically change the way girls percieve you. When I had short hair, teenage girls would approach me on the street telling me with big teary eyes that they’re out of bus money or whatever. Long hair put a complete stop to that. Now teenage girls with big teary eyes come up to me asking me to buy booze for them.
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The cell phone in his pocket.
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Marissa –
Here’s what you fail to understand. Just because someone doesn’t like something doesn’t mean they don’t “get it” or that it’s so ahead of them that they can’t grasp it. VK and the other hipster haters TOTALLY understand what this guy’s going for, and are just calling it out for what it is: douchey, poserish and unoriginal. Meaning they actually are using their critical faculties and independent judgment more than you are, since your only criteria seems to be whether something is “runway approved.” Yes, fashion is often about taking old stuff and bringing it back. But usually it’s a mix of taking old stuff and bringing it back with a twist, while also creating new stuff too. Hipsters on the other hand, just model late 70s, early 80s rock and New Wave album covers and lift THE ENTIRE LOOK WHOLESALE while creating nothing new. What’s so “fashion forward” or original about that? Stop drinking the self-serving Kool-Aid. Even the name “hipster” annoys me because the base is “hip,” implying that they are pushing the envelope of style forward or are edgy. I’m sorry but in my day when you wore dirty, old used clothes and didn’t wash and looked dingy and unshaven and sloppy, we called you a fucking dirtbag, not hip. When you took your whole look verbatim from someone else who rocked it when it was new, we didn’t call you original or hip, we called you an unoriginal poser. We need to stop subtly validating their self-image by calling them hipsters and start calling them dirtbags. I propose in fact that from now on we rename hipsters dirtbags instead.
Something else you have to understand is the difference between fashion and style. Something can totally be in fashion and still be part of a horrible style.
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I am a guy that doesn’t know shit about fashion, but it was my understanding that all of this retro stuff is fairly new.
The idea of aping the style of the 70’s with, for example, those ridiculous sunglasses you see celebrities wear is a new thing, I thought.
My understanding of fashion is that, historically, it was always something new and classy. Yeah, they may have drawn on some older ideas (for their time), or done a bit retro here and there, but that this “retro all the time and everywhere” thing is new.
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As a guy who actually lives in Brooklyn, I must say that the ability of asexual dirtbags to get high quality dirtbag poon has always been a mystery to me. I understand how androgyny appeals, you can see it in people like Iggy Pop, David Bowie and Mick Jagger. But those guys all mix the androgyny with screeching guitar riffs, cocky swagger, and unbridled sexuality. These guys on the other hand just exude a kitschy, doughy, nonthreatening vibe. Nothing dangerous about them, and you know they spend most of their time updating their Itunes and watching Adult Swim. They’ve somehow managed to beat hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and biology and make betaness and bad health into sex appeal.
I do disagree with Anon above though, Manhattan chicks don’t go for this guy once you go above 14th Street, it’s why they never leave Brooklyn or the Lower East Side, because they know they’re powerless everywhere else.
Also, something Roissy said is not quite right:
The problem with this conclusion is that in the places where dirtbags hang out, EVERYONE LOOKS AND DRESSES EXACTLY THE SAME. So in their circles, their look is actually mainstream. They’re actually scared to death of standing out and looking different because you can NOT get a dirtbag to step out of his comfort zone and go someplace where he will not be surrounded by other dirtbags. They are just as conformist as the investment banker on the upper East Side of Manhattan or the thug guy in the hip hop club. Every subculture has their own mainstream. Dirtbags like the guy in the picture don’t stand out in their world or buck convention anymore than a lawyer wearing a suit at a posh restaurant does.
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he looks like the bastard child of Tracey Thorn and General Zod.
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I’m glad that we’re back to our regularly scheduled programming of ridiculing others. I feared that this morning I would wake up to be subjected to Roissy theorizing on the current account deficit, and New Trade Theory.
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T–
Again, I think we’re running into a wall here. While people who you call hipsters, oh sorry, “dirtbags” (as you prefer) all “dress the same” in your eyes, there are actually many nuanced differences. Sure we, er, I mean, *they* may all wear the same pair of skinny jeans (Cheap Mondays are even unisex!), but there are differences as to how they *style* them (and yes, I do understand the difference between fashion and style, come on, give me *some* objective credit). For instance, that guy’s coat makes for a military look. Some other hipster could wear a flannel and make the look more redneck chic. See what I’m driving at here?
Don’t tell me you hate redneck chic too?!
Just give hipsters a chance! You realize we, I mean they, are taking over the world, don’t you? While skinny jeans came into the hipster scene in 2004, only now can you find them at places like JC Penneys. So my advice to you, my e-friend, is to either squeeze into a pair or just wait a few years. Pleated Dockers will be retro hip again one day.
Keep on truckin’,
Marissa
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Oops, hit “reply” too early.
Anyway, this guy’s appeal to women is not that he is willing to stand out, but the opposite: he is willing to pick an identity and conform to it shamelessly. Most guys are too proud to be pigeonholed or don’t want to look like consumerist followers. So to avoid being a poseur and be a “joiner” they end up choosing no identity at all and just blend in with everyone else. This guy on the other hand picks a look, an identity, and commits to it wholeheartedly and unashamedly. He chooses downtown dirtbag and totally embraces all the conventions and trappings that go with it. Then he only goes places where downtown dirtbags are in demand. Chicks who are in these places are looking for downtown dirtbags already and he totally advertises himself appropriately. She doesn’t have to think too hard to figure him out, with one look she knows where he probably eats, what he probably listens to, what he probably likes…it’s like when you see a restaurant with golden arches in a foreign country, you automatically know what food to expect and you don’t have to evaluate or think too hard. Same with the guy who totally unapologetically runs with the hip-hop thug look and then goes to hip-hop clubs where girls like that look. Or the guy that chooses to have a “rocker” vibe or the guy who commits to the “country club preppy” look and then goes to preppy establishments. Their looks may kill them once they leave their comfort zone, but when they are in the right environment they KILL.
Most guys on the other hand don’t want to commit so wholeheartedly to a single, easily identifiable identity or scene. So they dress in a way that will keep them from being a total outcast anywhere, but won’t let them truly, wholeheartedly fit in to any particular scene either.
So his appeal isn’t standing out, it’s the opposite, it’s choosing a scene and conforming to it 100%. It’s what I used to call the scenester strategy.
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It’s for this reason I define alpha males as those who can secure the best pussy in the greatest quantities on the most favorable terms. Bowling 300 is an alpha trait, but skipping the bowling competition to violate a hipsterette’s mouth in the back of a coat check of a dingy club is alpha itself.
So… are you defining this guy as alpha or admitting a possible flaw in your classification criteria? It seemed like you were going to expand on this point, but then you just stopped.
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Babe, I live in Brooklyn, partied in Williamsburg and LES for years and am next door to Pratt art school, which is basically a finishing school for young, future dirtbags. I’m at ground zero for this shit. Trust me, my hatred for them doesn’t come from being on the outside looking in and not being able to understand but the opposite, I’ve observed the scene from the beginning, made a lot of dirtbag friends and understand it all too well. I’ve learned to hate them from years of interaction, friendships and exposure. They really are a vapid, self-aggrandizing bunch that buy into their own cutting-edge, iconoclast nonconformist hype so much that it borders on delusion, especially since I never met one with an original thought in all the years I’ve interacted with them.
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Marissa said “While people who you call hipsters, oh sorry, “dirtbags” (as you prefer) all “dress the same” in your eyes, there are actually many nuanced differences.”
That doesn’t make them original. The same can be said for preps or lawyers or ibankers or any other group. The devil in every fashion subculture is in the details. The general lesson here is that most people conform to a fashion culture, but hipsters and goths seems to be the only ones who delude themselves into thinking they’re actually standing out by fitting in.
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I had some important comment, but T said it. This is the epitomy of fashion, not style, and in a few years when Roberto Cavalli walks a guy down the runway in three pleat khacki’s, a blue shirt (or maybe a striped shirt) and square toed shoes, he will wear that.
His look is not military inspired, it happens to include a pea-coat. Yves Saint Laurent shows some military inspired clothing, but also in a fashiony way. Most of what we think of as classic men’s style is inspired military uniforms.
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Don’t mock Mystery he is the real deal.
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I wonder how he got into those jeans.
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Roosh–
As a smug, self-righteous, “please bitch” expert on tight pants, I can tell you that he most likely puts his pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else. Although since he’s a guy, there might be some added wiggling and dancing involved to pack the junk in.
Party on,
Marissa
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grrr my coment didnt post. however conformist this guy is to his subgroup… he still displays some originality… which cant really be said about the pajama posse douches i see arond lotus and the such.. in their striped shirts and gelled hair… whether it be spiked or faux hawked. seriously… i might get vertigo if get surrounded by that kinda display of douchbaggery display of ‘fashion’ again. then again… im guessing the dirtbags patchouli would leave me equally nauseaous…
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Leena, I think that you are saying the same thing that T did. He is as original as the guy that decided to get the barbwire tattoo over the Chinese symbols tattoo.
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kinda ..i still hold that drtbag is more original (even witin his group) than the clubby striped shirt button down pajama posse guys. (i like neither… for the record)
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If you think that guy is even slightly original a trip to Williamsburg will cure you of that perception.
It’s a uniform. It signals in society which team you’re on.
Striped shirt in club -> average drunken chick in club
Tight jeans and plaid shirt / coat with waay too many buttons -> girl with bad posture and lots of layers on her legs (skirt over jeans, tights and denim shorts, etc.)
leena,
If you don’t like the guys in a subgroup, don’t hang out where they go. Don’t be surprised to find striped shirts in a club or you wind up like this girl:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27651
(frat guy boyfriend not like all the other frat guys)
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frankly, I think the whole costume is an effort to distract the viewer from his enormous pumpkin head.
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T =GOT IN DEM GUTS!!!!!
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I had not realized that scientists gene spliced the Great Gazoo with Lord Fauntleroy. His head is too big for his body and his mom just called and wants her eyeliner, scarf and opera gloves back or he’s off the will for good this time. Wallet is in the front because ladies 1980’s peg pants did not have back pockets. I’m guessing the club bracelet is there because he wants you to think it’s a rock thing and not a gay thing. He also looks too old to rock that look so the club bracelet might be an attempt to indicate youth.
Sure he’s got girls hanging on, but they just want to borrow his stuff.
If he’s happy and it works, more power to him.
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Trendy, slight effeminate clothes, probably wears woman’s perfume instead of cologne, $200 salon hair cut with faux poor grooming facial hair.
How is this guy’s external appearance any different than “Mystery” on The Pick-up Artist?
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i think everyone is assuming that the dude is straight. but let’s take a step back and look at his old, GAY self, and realize that he is not into girls….he is into guys.
because this guy is biologically/physically/mentally out of whack, no shit he dresses like a girl, i mean…homosexual…..
does anyone here seriously think he’s straight? i mean seriously.
and pffffft to all you DCers ripping on his “style, i mean fashion, i mean style.”
for as many times as Roissy has talked about “dressing gay,” and “going to the gay bar,”……
pfffffttttt
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ps- and look at his old, gray hair. dude is straight GAY!!!
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How is this guy’s external appearance any different than “Mystery” on The Pick-up Artist?
At least Mystery’s silly gear isn’t the worst possible mismatch for his head. I can’t believe I’m actually defending Mystery on a PUA blog when I’m supposed to be studying, but it’s just true, this guy looks like a total douche compared to him.
Fuck, even I can see that and my shopping consists entirely of hunting for Chinese B-quality at the discount bin.
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Why are extremely tight pants for men the “in thing”? What the hell is going on? This guy should be made to go home and change.
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Oh God, I am so guilty because I love a dandy. May not find him attractive, but I love a man who is stylish. Just not full out metrosexual.
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LOLROF at T’s hate of hipsters or dirtbags. T, I have never seen you so pasionate about a subject. You are leaving long posts like DA.
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Oh God, I am so guilty because I love a dandy.
That dude is a fop, not a dandy. Andre 3000 is a dandy.
Seriously, though, what are all you guys angry about — less competition! When more guys dress like this, girls really hunger for a guy who dresses well but not in a faggy fashion victim way.
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The main thing about this guy? He’s entirely too full of himself.
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Agnostic your point is well noted.
I wonder if any of the men on this blog are aware of how many women are in love with Andre 3000. Even women who don’t dig the dandy look, really really really dig Andre 3000.
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57 The reason women dig Andre 3000? One word. Confidence. He’s rich and talented and has the ability to appear confident. He may not in fact BE confident, but he’s a performer and performers learn to appear confident. It’s their meal and pussy ticket. Often we find out in the course of their lives that the movie is not like the book.
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i looooved the hipster olympics. -good stuff 🙂
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dandys are not dirty looking… imo
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This picture is loving awesome. I want to follow him into some alley and steal his Tardis.
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Not only is he confident but he has a nice looking face and he looks like he can show a woman a good time(wink wink).
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What a Dandy Fop!
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62 Chic noir
“Not only is he confident but he has a nice looking face and he looks like he can show a woman a good time(wink wink).”
He looks miserable. What are you smoking?
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At first glance, I noticed that from jowl to jowl Picture Man’s face is wider than his thigh and I thought you all were making fun of an achondroplastic dwarf! But this man’s only handicap is self-inflicted.
T has done a very good job of pointing out Marissa’s faulty logic, but she just doesn’t get it.
By the way Marissa, I just don’t see how this is considered stylish!?!?!? Fadish? Maybe. Childish? Definitely.
I know you take offense at everyone’s assault on his masculinity. But they are assaulting with good reason.
I mean really! Check out the gray hair. Obviously he’s 40+. Doesn’t it bother you that a man of that age lacks the confidence to have established his own sense of style and instead grasps at the latest fad worn by the more childish age groups?
And I’m guessing that jacket which is so small that the second button is pulling over his middle aged paunch (there’s no way he could button the last button) was purchased during the 1980’s when he was in his New Romantic phase. Proof that he has no originality, but merely follows the herd repeatedly?
The wallet, by the way, is in the front pocket to distract from the fact there is no “junk” to pack in to his 1980’s pants.
The coif, he designed to conceal the receding hairline. To me that’s another sign that he lacks balls. A real man would just live with it and not pretend he’s not aging by sporting the same haircut he had in second grade.
The scarf is actually his mother’s shawl. Enough said.
And I won’t make fun of his boots. He obviously spent a great deal of time sandpapering the TOPS of the toes so as not to wear out the soles.
This guy is a middle aged man who has yet to establish an identity and remains a sheep. That is not masculine, and may I point out, has NOTHING to do with his sexual orientation.
Lastly, “party on” and “keep on truckin'” sounded stupid when they were first used. Do you realize how they sound when you use them now? I recommend sticking with “Best” and “Sincerely”.
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Why does anybody even care what a random stranger is wearing? Like, what’s the big deal? If you passed this guy on the street, would y’all be frothing like this? Or are you just piling on judgment because Roissy told you to? I’m genuinely curious.
I find it really, really amusing that y’all are going on about “hipster sheep” while simultaneously agreeing with everything Roissy said. Baaaa, yourselves.
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Dear Jeanne,
Your vitriolic anger over the man in this photo is legitimately disturbing. I mean, unless you know him personally and he did something to you, I suggest you chillax (don’t you just love that word, btw?!) Seriously, it will be OK. It. Will. All. Be. OK. Just breathe.
Good luck out there in this cruel tight-pantsed world we live in!
XO,
Marissa
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Marissa,
You’re projecting.
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In other words, Marissa, nanny-nanny-boo-boo, with a side of Psych 101.
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Jeanne killed it. Nice.
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This dudette could be my brother, though the man bag is missing.
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What has been left out of this discussion is how much a person’s build has to do with their “Style”.
This little nancy has the perfect build for his style, or, to paraphrase William Gibson, has the ability to warp his physique to a sub-cultural template. Cambridge is full of these guys-140 lbs. with 30% body fat, living on ramen, fair trade espresso and handouts from friends at the Middle East (pseudo-hipster club). Look at the engravings of the aristocracy in the halls of the Sun King and you’ll see that the only little guys pulled off the look.
This guy gets MAJOR demerits for the Isotoners…
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I find it really, really amusing that y’all are going on about “hipster sheep” while simultaneously agreeing with everything Roissy said. Baaaa, yourselves.
I didn’t agree at all. I think he’s queer and has no heterosexual game at all — and probably failing homosexual game at that. So why are we discussing him?
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The point? Apparently, so we can be all superior, mean-spirited, and distrurbingly homophobic. Never mind that nobody knows what sexuality this man is, nor is it any of our business.
This site veers into mean quite often, but I truly don’t appreciate the homophobic term “nancy,” nor do I appreciate speculating the sexuality of others.
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schoolmarm tut tutted:
but I truly don’t appreciate the homophobic term “nancy,” nor do I appreciate speculating the sexuality of others.
give me three good reasons why i should care about what you appreciate.
ps: are you a closet lez?
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“Three good reasons” veers WAY too easily into an orifice joke.
Nope, not a lesbian. Funny story there:
My sister came out when she was 16 and I was 14. First she tells my mom, who goes into hysterics. Then she storms upstairs to tell me. I look at her, and very calmly say, “Well, that explains the poor fashion sense.” Then I go back to looking at whatever was on TV.
So I’m definitely sympathetic to people who stereotype about fashion/sexuality. On the other hand, I was 14 at the time. What’s y’all’s excuse?
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As one answering on a regular basis to the big, dumb jock stereotype (I’m wearing khakis and a polo as I type) by couching the reply in a manner not easily understood by the stereotyper without reference materials, y’all will have to forgive me for not giving a shit what you think of “nancy”.
My uniform reinforces the big, dumb jock/salesman stereotype. Nancy Boy, whether or not he’s gay, wears the uniform.
Something a lot of women don’t understand is when guys use a term like nancy boy, it’s not necessarily a homophobic slur, but instead can convey the belief that nancy is lacking in other masculine traits; if I were to throw a baseball to him I doubt he’d catch it.
Of course, like Cher said to Amber in Clueless, I think he’s used to balls flying at his face!
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Brutus, I honestly didn’t understand your first paragraph. Are you saying stereotypers come up with their beliefs based on consulting a thesaurus, dictionary, AND encyclopedia?
I understand some people mean “nancy” in a different way than I do, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t offensive.
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Right around 1960 men and women stopped wearing clothes that flatter their bodies the best.
This kind of fashion is stupid. It’s not any stupider than disco or cut up sweatshirts and legwarmers, but it’s just as stupid. And I swear if a man doesn’t have enough common sense to know that something looks stupid and he wears this crap when even a normal fitting t-shirt and jeans would serve him better then he’s not good for anything.
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primandproperpolice:
So I’m definitely sympathetic to people who stereotype about fashion/sexuality.
do you stereotype about men who advise aging single women to lock a man down before it’s too late?
I understand some people mean “nancy” in a different way than I do, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t offensive.
is calling a man a coward offensive if he deserves the label? what about calling a man misogynist if he factually points out that women have a shorter sell-by date than men?
the clothes this guy is wearing make him look like a nancyboy. a nancyboy is a puling whiny eeping lickspittle beta. because he has chosen to wear that fey crap in public, it is within bounds to speculate that he may indeed be a raging nancyboy and wants the world to know how proud he is of his deficient character. it’s only homophobic if you automatically equate whiny betaness with homosexuality. since it would seem judging by what you wrote in indignation that you do equate the two, then it wouldn’t be a stretch for me to point out that the homophobia, lady PC cop, rests with you.
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“Well, that explains the poor fashion sense.”
you were right. most lesbians have poor fashion sense and dress like mechanics. they don’t give a shit because they’re not appealing to men’s visual aesthetics.
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It looks like those two British women who grab badly dressed people off the street for makeovers grabbed a homeless guy.
http://thisdevilsworkday.wordpress.com/
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it must make your head explode to see an alpha male that falls out of your very carefully crafted list of what an alpha male should be
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It’s “foppish dandy”, not “dandy fop”. And clearly, he fits into this category.
He likes tool, end of story. Even so, I have to imagine the that even the average gay guy would consider this guy’s look overboard.
No doubt he also preaches about the world and what is wrong with it, meanwhile spending $100+ on jeans that would fit a 10 year old starving orphan in Ethiopia. I can’t wait for the emo/hipster/loser movement to lose steam. This is the downside to a successful capitalist economy; too many idiots with too much money and time on their hands.
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Roissy, for fuck’s sake. The blog post of mine that you refer to takes the stereotypes about women over 29 who don’t marry and turns them around on men for comic effect. For a guy who contends that he’s “playing a character” or being “tongue in cheek” when you get called out for slamming women, I think you could be able to take a joke. Or at least get a fucking joke.
And as for your WAY out-of-line assertion of homophobia, again, let’s please go back to Reading Comprehension 101. I took exception to the posters who decided the man was effeminate, and therefore gay and beneath our contempt. Nowhere did I make that connection myself. Therefore, if anyone is homophobic ’round these parts, it’s you.
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If he’s straight, I’m shag-assin’ it for the border on the dead run. This country is in even worse shape than I thought it was in.
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what’s homophobic about paul krugman stealing judge smails sailing jacket?
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