I have a friend who is very self-critical. When we go out to meet girls he will handicap his game by being too hard on himself. When he isn’t weaseling out of approaching girls with every excuse in the book he is projecting an overly attentive vibe when he does manage to enter a set. In the field, I’d often hear him say:
“I wonder if she got my jokes?”
“I hope I didn’t come off as too needy.”
“She’s probably looking for a different type of guy.”
Poor inner game — what is known by other jargon as your state of mind or your self confidence — is inwardly directed. Good inner game is outwardly directed. It’s the difference between berating yourself for not winning over others and berating others for not winning over you. The men who are naturally good with women live outside their minds — they are externally focused. The downside is that they are usually not very introspective, but who cares about that shit when you’re getting pussy? Introspection is for dainty young women in sundresses picking buttercups in meadows.
If my friend had good inner game what he would have said is:
“She loses points for not having a good sense of humor.”
“She’s the kind of girl who hides her insecurity behind aloofness.”
“I’ll chat with her to see if she’s the type of girl I want in my life.”
I hear a lot of talk about how Game routines are going stale, and chicks see right through them. In fact, the problem isn’t typically with the routines, it’s with the confidence and congruence in which they are delivered. If your inner game isn’t solid then what you present to the outside world won’t match what you are feeling inside. Your inner game is reflected through your body language and voice tone, so however clever your routines they will strike a false note if you don’t internalize the confidence you are trying to portray. You will betray yourself with negative thinking.
Fake it till you make it means faking that internal confidence as well as the external behavior. This is not as hard as it sounds. Every time you feel self-doubt and talk yourself into inaction, yell “Stop!” out loud, and your brain will reboot. You then consciously reframe your thought processes to put the burden of approval seeking on those around you. With good inner game you can say just about any ridiculous routine and the girl will be intrigued.
The most important change in thinking you can make:
You are not there to win over women, they are there to win over you.
Keep saying this over and over until you begin to believe it. You are re-wiring yourself. Don’t worry about the truth or falsity of it. That’s irrelevant.
The beauty of this system is that it turns the seduction template on its head. Co-opting a woman’s natural choosiness and making yourself the chooser instead of the chosen is extremely attractive to women. Because it hardly ever happens this way, women will happily strive to win the approval of a man who is clear in his words and his actions that he is judging them for worthiness of his attention, and not the other way around.
The reason routines are going out is because Tyler Durden discover natural game to be much more effective and now all RSD bootcamps are taught without routines just nimbus and glory. RSD’s forum has 10,000 people so I am assuming they are the most influential PU company right now.
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Dude, what did I tell you about blogging about me…. not cool dude, not cool
But for real for real, like I said before,
Everybody knows what to say, few know how to say it. That’s why the game all fucked up. Nah mean?
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Trust me, there’s a lot of people who don’t know what to say OR how to say it. I met them. It’s not pretty.
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“The men who are naturally good with women live outside their minds — they are externally focused. The downside is that they are usually not very introspective”
Perfectly-worded description of the alpha. These same simple-minded men are the ones who captain the sports teams in high school and college and go on to dominate in the business world or, alternatively, go to work as military men, firemen or cops. Being introspective and thoughtful is a gift and a curse that these guys aren’t burdened with.
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eh, maybe not of THE alpha, but of a particular type of alpha male that most people think of when thinking about the archetype
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You’re right that it’s pointless to berate yourself over failures, but it’s equally pointless to always shift the blame to others instead of analyzing your actions and identifying what you need to do to improve your results. Otherwise, you sound like the guys who say “Women are all sluts” or the girls who say “Men are all pigs” in response to their failures, blaming an entire group rather than considering that the problem may lie within themselves.
I mean, that’s how the whole game-as-system thing got started, right? Introspective men analyzed what they were doing, observed what got results, and modified their behavior accordingly. Saying “Well, that woman isn’t good enough for me anyway” smacks of sour grapes — and worse, it doesn’t get you anywhere.
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Being introspective and thoughtful is a gift and a curse that these guys aren’t burdened with.
Damn straight. However, for the guys that can not get out of there heads, I think that there are methods for, ultimately, using that to your advantage. What those things are, I am not sure.
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mike, that’s a perfectly worded description of extraversion, not “alphaness”. What most people here would call alpha traits are things like being assertive (not just non-hesitant) and not being concerned about other people’s feelings or opinion and those don’t have anything directly to do with extraversion.
For example, women tend to be more extraverted, less assertive and more concerned about other people’s feelings and opinion than men. Are effeminate men more alpha?
The only people who would call a simple extravert “alpha” are ultra-introverted ultra-nerdy types who think the jocks are being aggressive if they actually try to talk to the nerd, maybe even tell him to loosen up a little. Mystery-type game is built for those guys.
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Well-said. I’d add that there are many ways for a guy to get himself out of a cycle of self-questioning — acting classes (especially improv) can be loads of help here. Over and over again, a good acting class demands that you find ways to spin the moment in a positive direction, and get yourself back into the game. So long as you’re in the moment, everything you do is “good acting.” The only thing “bad acting” is, is the failure to be present. But I do like your “Say ‘Stop!’ out loud” approach. Nice and direct.
Hey, speaking of usurping a lot of what’s usually considered to be the female’s privileges (and thus making yourself twice as attractive to her as you’d otherwise be) … Here’s one of the real masters at work. Watch the way he hands out compliments — but withholds just enough to keep her on edge, and craving more. Admire the way he foregrounds his emotions — thus taking the “I run the emotions here” prerogrative from her. Is the “she” he’s singing to even a woman at all, or just his favorite soccer team — talk about something that’ll drive a girl nuts with lust.
Given cultural habits and our inborn male need to think in terms of pursuing the girl and trying to get her into bed semi-against-her-will, it can be hard for guys to take it easy, make their own needs and feelings the center of the moment instead of something in eager service to the queen. And few can rival the real masters. But there’s shit to be learned from observing the likes of Rod Stewart.
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Yeah, this is just being more extraverted than introverted. You can’t really change that baseline level, although your personality traits don’t become fixed until 30. So if you can force yourself to get out a lot during your college and 20-something years, you might be able to bump up your extraversion before it’s too late.
Downers like alcohol make you temporarily more extraverted, so if you aren’t planning to talk an awful lot and have to carefully manage your approach — like you’re going to an R&B dance club mostly to “put your boner on her butt” (VK) — then it’s probably worth it.
BTW, someone should conduct a survey or study of the personality traits, physical traits, SAT scores, etc. of good PUAs.
I don’t think I’ve heard / seen of a solid PUA who was northwest European. East or southern Euro, Middle Eastern, South American, African… but few English.
And most seem like they’re 6’1 or 6’2.
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The fact that you have this categorized under “vanity” says it all. This is just another one of your attempts to get knee jerk reactions. Doesn’t constantly challenging women get old after awhile? This is your “new direction”? LOL
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For guys who have never picked up women, it will be hard to say that statement and really believe it. They will have to succeed at least a couple times.
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” don’t think I’ve heard / seen of a solid PUA who was northwest European. East or southern Euro, Middle Eastern, South American, African… but few English.”
Not quite true, Agnostic, but partly true. Italian boys are instructed in the arts of flirtation from the time they first go to school, I’m told; but I’m not sure I’d extend that to southern Europeans in general, or not to the same degree. They can be obnoxiously pushy about it, too, and their attentions can get a little crude – though not so crude as North American men at their worst. Do you count French men as Latins, or as north-western Europeans, by the way? Most of them are ethnically more NWE, but their manners with women are more Latin. On the other hand, they do not usually pinch or grab, which Italian men are quite frequently guilty of.
As for men from North Western Europe not having “Game”? Wrong, wrong, wrong, unless you’re somehow excluding the Irish, who have more of it than is safe for many a female. Those boys know how to talk, for one thing, and that always helps.
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…high verbal facility…
My guess is that the opposite: guys who are not verbal in nature, say, mathematicians and engineers, have much more problems with pick-up than not.
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Solid PUA is an oxymoron. Things like Mystery method are made for those introverted super logical structure obsessed guys who want seduction to be some Rube Goldbergish series of perfect precise moves. That just doesn’t happen.
Given cultural habits and our inborn male need to think in terms of pursuing the girl and trying to get her into bed semi-against-her-will,
Who is this inborn in? To me, first contact with girls was all about getting the confidence to agree to their scary wishes that I used to run from (kissing and that stuff) and first bad failures with girls were all about me just declaring that I want a girl and then becoming confused about how they could possibly not want me.
That’s why I’m interested in this stuff. What made you guys like that?
Height is interesting, but it would be even more interesting to know height in early adolescence. Would it be true that most guys who get into planned game are introverted and late bloomers? I’m 6’2” and I stopped growing pretty early. When I was about 16 I started noticing in a huge shock that the other guys had been drastically catching up to me and I ended up not even tall like I always was as a child. My early adolescent non-experience with girls was mostly lots of attention and eternal frustration about not knowing how to turn girls’ interest into anything.
Does a different early teen experience turn into bad inner game?
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Yeah, this is just being more extraverted than introverted. You can’t really change that baseline level, although your personality traits don’t become fixed until 30. So if you can force yourself to get out a lot during your college and 20-something years, you might be able to bump up your extraversion before it’s too late.
You might be able to slightly increase your extroversion during those years, but only slightly. One’s basic introvert/extrovert character is largely fixed by adolescence or even earlier.
Now, what might be causing some confusion is the fact that an introvert can force himself to act in a more extroverted manner at age 25 or 35 or whatever, when he finally comes to the realization that introverts don’t get women. What changes is not his basic character – he’s just as introverted as ever – but his outward manifestation. I would imagine, however, that an introvert acting like an extrovert won’t be nearly as successful with women as a genuine extrovert would be.
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Steve Sailer classifies men into nerds, big men, and people nerds. My impression is that people like Mystery are people nerds. They have some social skills to begin with, and then use their analytical skills to improve them, often to the point where they overtake natural extroverts.
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You might be able to slightly increase your extroversion during those years, but only slightly. One’s basic introvert/extrovert character is largely fixed by adolescence or even earlier.
And you know this because you’ve read the literature on personality change over the lifespan, right? You’re wrong. Personality is really up for grabs during adolescence / college years, and is still malleable up to 30.
Read McCrae & Costa’s book *Personality in Adulthood*, which summarizes the data that after 30 it’s pretty set. For it being more malleable before 30, you have to read their recent journal articles. Search PubMed for that.
Now, how much an effect going out a lot has, no one knows, but your personality is definitely not fixed during adolescence.
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I mean more Anglo-Germanic and Scandinavian / Finnish people have less game. The Celtic groups are like the Japanese, a more rockstar, prankster outlier compared to their more staid neighbors.
Mystery’s last name sounds Slavic — Markovich. If he’s 6’5, he might be from one of those tall Croatian groups originally.
Other traits: high Psychoticism (in Eysenck’s model) or low Agreeableness plus low Conscientiousness (in the Big Five model). This is probably most important — the personality type that can exploit others and not wince.
BTW, low Conscientiousness doesn’t mean lazy — only part of it deals with that, the rest are the Boy Scout qualities like a sense of duty, moral obligation, etc. Being low in C just means you’re less constrained by social norms and act opportunistically.
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agnostic:
BTW, someone should conduct a survey or study of the personality traits, physical traits, SAT scores, etc. of good PUAs.
that would be very interesting.
my guesses:
personality – high extraversion and neuroticism (validity seekers)
physical – not sure. lot of variance here. probably proportionally more ectomorphs than the other two types. most of the great PUAs are not male models but are decent looking.
SAT scores – really smart. my immediate impression of mystery and tyler durden when i met them in person was how intensely analytical they are. they are systematizing nerds with high verbal facility.
I don’t think I’ve heard / seen of a solid PUA who was northwest European.
mystery is canadian. he added the “von” to von markovich. i think he wrote once on a forum that he’s part german by ancestry. with his height he could be ethnically dutch as well.
style (neil strauss) is jewish.
tyler durden is also canadian i believe. he looks like he has irish or scottish in him.
cajun is canadian of indeterminate white ancestry.
stephane hemon – white, and if his name is real probably part french. he looks northwest euro.
sean newman – irish background most likely.
badboy is serbian (he’s the best natural pua imo).
ross jeffries is jewish, though i don’t know how many consider him a solid PUA.
lance mason – white. he may be NW euro by ethnicity (danish? dutch?), but that’s a judgment call.
david deangelo – at least part italian by background, of course.
carlos zuma and zan – white, but don’t know which ethnically. both look vaguely east euro.
i can’t think of any black or asian PUAs that are recognized in the pickup community off the top of my head, though i’m sure there are some.
roosh:
They will have to succeed at least a couple times.
i agree. that’s why routines and an easy to follow system are necessary for guys starting out. actually, i have no problem with routines, even stale ones. i use them all the time. a good routine helps create a positive change in self confidence. but it doesn’t have to be either/or. inner and outer game can and should be practiced simultaneously. success in one will breed success in the other.
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“The Celtic groups are like the Japanese, a more rockstar, prankster outlier compared to their more staid neighbors.”
The English are almost completely Celtic, not Germanic, at the genetic level. They are most closely related to the other inhabitants of the British Isles.
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070415_diverse.htm
Furthermore, one can note that the English _have_ produced lots of rockstars.
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Does a different early teen experience turn into bad inner game?
badboy probably has the best inner game of all the PUAs i’ve read about, but he suffered a head injury from a bullet during the kosovo war and walks with a limp now, so maybe that brush with death strengthened his core alpha traits.
a lot of women, and some male “naturals”, want to believe practitioners of game are all former nerds who stammered in front of women in high school, but i’ve found that that angle is played up a bit by the “gurus”. mystery claims to have been an introverted nerd in his teens but he is so naturally extraverted that i have a hard time believing he didn’t have some social skills in high school. the guy was a stand-up magician for a while, for chrissakes.
my impression — half the guys who went on to become PUA masters had good social skills in their teens, while the other half is a mixed bag of legitimately former nerds, social outcasts, and too-smart-for-their-own-good jerkoffs.
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even mystery claims the best PUAs need 4 to 10 hours on average to bed a woman, and that is usually spread out over a few dates.
Mystery is wrong. Or right, but then, he’s talking about PUAs.
You need that if you launch into a semi-dating mode. If you’re following some structure, women will just intuit what you believe is the “right” speed in your rules and mirror that with their own rules.
Much of our programming surely comes from times when humans didn’t even have speech. How long did it take to get to sex then? That still works – I’ve had sex with women when we’ve had only a few words of some language neither of us really even spoke in common.
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jaakkeli:
Things like Mystery method are made for those introverted super logical structure obsessed guys who want seduction to be some Rube Goldbergish series of perfect precise moves. That just doesn’t happen.
but it does.
i’ve seen it with my own eyes.
and… i’ve done it.
that’s the whole point of teaching game.
the entire structure of game is based on evolutionary psychology, which is pretty much established science by now.
you sound like one of those doubting thomases who can’t bear the thought of the ephemeral magic of love and sexual attraction falling victim to the machinations of the coldly calculating.
that is to say, you sound like a woman. or a man who hates it that a few well-placed words and vocal projections can bed the women he busts his ass for clawing to the top of the status heap in the working world trying to bed the traditional way.
keep in mind seduction doesn’t have to be a precision guided bomb 100% of the time to effectively advance your war strategy. nobody is claiming you’ve gotta micromanage every step of the seduction to get laid. GAME is about offering a few vital checkpoints along the way that substantially increase your odds of scoring.
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Agnostic link please to the over 30 comment as I’ve never heard that before? RSD frequently has guys way over 30 getting plenty of success.
Oh and one more thing. Now I know this is a blog about pick up and stuff, but why do you make out a person’s core worth to be measured in terms of alpha and beta (in other words the ability to sleep with women)? I mean no one will ever have anything more than a 5% open to close ratio since this is all a numbers game anyway. All PUAs do is accelerate the speed at which probability takes its course by talking to the same 100 people a normal person would speak to in a year and cram it into a month. So in the end all you really have is your own personal accomplishments to go off of your own value.
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Read McCrae & Costa’s book *Personality in Adulthood*, which summarizes the data that after 30 it’s pretty set.
Do they have a good case for it being unmalleable or do they have the statistics showing that people don’t change after 30? Most people have found their thing at 30, start a family around that time and so on, so the average might be fixed by most people having a fixed life.
I mean more Anglo-Germanic and Scandinavian / Finnish people have less game. The Celtic groups are like the Japanese, a more rockstar, prankster outlier compared to their more staid neighbors.
Uh, where exactly do you get these ethnic generalisations? If game is something practiced and learned by only very few guys in any group, how do you rate it for ethnic groups?
In gender and sexual matters, there is a stark difference between Finns and Scandinavians. We don’t want anyone to find out, but of all the peoples in the world we’re actually most like the Russians. Try asking guys whether cheating is wrong or what they think of gays and you’ll see it. (In local stereotypes, the Swedes are known to be fags and the Russians are everything else that’s considered even mildly negative but never fags.)
Other traits: high Psychoticism (in Eysenck’s model) or low Agreeableness plus low Conscientiousness (in the Big Five model). This is probably most important — the personality type that can exploit others and not wince.
Yup. Following the big 5 I have high extraversion and openness and extremely low conscientiousness, agreeableness and neuroticism. Ideal careers for the profile would be eg. porn star, fascist dictator or the guy who writes meaningless replies on silly blogs on Friday nights.
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CH, extraversion is no guarantee of social skills. I’m a good example of extraversion with serious social skills deficits. It’s the worst of all combinations when you’re very young and not adjusted (bad to others, mainly).
Being a magician doesn’t indicate extraversion or social confidence. Magic tricks are something you practice over and over again until you’re confident enough to take them to the big audience. That actually fits *very* well for a guy who came up with Mystery method & those loads of routines. I’m an improv kind of guy so both are really weird to me (damn I actually miss high school & the audience that couldn’t escape)
you sound like one of those doubting thomases who can’t bear the thought of the ephemeral magic of love and sexual attraction falling victim to the machinations of the coldly calculating.
Naah. What I’m saying is that none of that stuff is at all necessary. It’s sex, damn it. Since you like evolutionary psychology, think of it this way: those calculations have to be built-in or the species would go extinct. Stop planning and let your programming take over. I trust the gifts of evolution inherent in me way more than I trust anyone’s articulated deductions.
I don’t understand what’s the hard thing about ONSs. That stuff is easy. If those introverted logical abd moral structure obsessed guys could somehow stop being introverted and logical and moral structure obsessed, they wouldn’t need any of that. Just talk to women and remember to lead, eventually you develop a sense for a woman who wants you to take her home. You don’t need cold calculating, you can do warm calculating.
Or maybe they should just date. That’s the thing that I can’t seem to get right.
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jaakflash:
those calculations have to be built-in or the species would go extinct.
too dichotomous. there’s going extinct, and there’s propagating your genes with the bare minimum frequency.
game helps boost the copulation frequency.
Stop planning and let your programming take over.
what if the guy’s programming sucks given the selective pressures of his current environment?
I trust the gifts of evolution inherent in me way more than I trust anyone’s articulated deductions.
males are nature’s guinea pigs. we’re expendable. some will have great success, most will get by, and some will drop out. why put your trust in such a fickle merciless mistress? game increases the likelihood of great success.
I don’t understand what’s the hard thing about ONSs. That stuff is easy.
you may be a natural who can pull easily. but you shouldn’t project based on that. if ONSs were as easy as you say a lot more guys would be having a lot more of them than they currently are.
my impression of the ONSs i’ve had — they’re easy when they happen, which is not often. many things have to fall into place to pull same night lays, including the tightness of your game, the logistics, and the mood of the chick. even mystery claims the best PUAs need 4 to 10 hours on average to bed a woman, and that is usually spread out over a few dates.
Just talk to women and remember to lead, eventually you develop a sense for a woman who wants you to take her home.
OK, but from what i’ve seen (and heard) it’s not that simple for most guys. they need a structure to seduce women before they can cultivate that innate sense of what to do.
You don’t need cold calculating, you can do warm calculating.
no doubt. if you gotta be cold, keep it on the inside and let your love light shine on the outside.
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“my impression of the ONSs i’ve had — they’re easy when they happen, which is not often. many things have to fall into place to pull same night lays, including the tightness of your game, the logistics, and the mood of the chick. even mystery claims the best PUAs need 4 to 10 hours on average to bed a woman, and that is usually spread out over a few dates.”
alright then.
but what about the borderline cases?
if your game is tight, you can get the digits and a date or two. but what if thats ALL you get? just cause you got a date out of it doesnt mean she’ll stick and stay. you might find theres no chemistry, she might be a flake, you never know.
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“You are not there to win over women, they are there to win over you.”
Your limited thinking again, does not seem to comprehend the concept of winning each other over. Perhaps that’s too complicated for you. So MANY are taking this kind of “Rules” advice, thinking they can turn the high stakes game of love into a quantifiable. easily manageable set of dictates, that will not only make it as easy as ABC, but virtually insure you will never be hurt. Unfortunately it insures they will never have the love they seek, either.
#1: there is no way to avoid being hurt by striving to be invulnerable with these approaches, but you will avoid real love.
You’re welcome to prove me wrong, by finding the love of your life and professing your happiness when you do. I’ll be all ears then. Being laid a lot is not the ultimate goal, or is it? Maybe it is. In that case; never mind.
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31 duke
“you might find theres no chemistry, she might be a flake, you never know.”
If you want certainty, don’t play with women. Just stay home.
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By the way, I’m really impressed with Putin. He managed to get that beautiful 24 year old Alina Kabajewa, a woman stilll in her prime and a gymnast to boost, who looks younger than her age. A lot of people have praised Sarkozy: I haven’t because at the end, Carla is already an infertile, although still beautiful woman. She is not the real deal anymore. Clinton’s case is interesting: while going for young, fertile women, all of them were rather plain and even ugly: but here is a basic truth: a fertile plain 23 year old will give a man more satisfaction than a 39 year old exmodel.
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“The Celtic groups are like the Japanese, a more rockstar,”
French romance abilties are probably overstated: and the Japanese are the biggest nerds antigame men I have ever seen. Pretty much every Westerner is romantic compared against a Japanese man.
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By the way, I’m really impressed with Putin. He managed to get that beautiful 24 year old Alina Kabajewa, a woman stilll in her prime and a gymnast to boost, who looks younger than her age.
Well, he’s self-confident, athletic, and definitely an alpha type. Oh, and he’s ruler of a nuclear power. Come on, even if she didn’t like him she’d probably go out with him for fear the KGB…er, FSB would put something from the far reaches of the periodic table in her soup.
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By the way, I’m really impressed with Putin. He managed to get that beautiful 24 year old Alina Kabajewa
There is no evidence for this tabloid rumor. Putin says there isn’t a word of truth to it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/world/europe/19russia.html
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“There is no evidence for this tabloid rumor. Putin says there isn’t a word of truth to it.”
Yeah, right, and JFK didn’t screw Marilyn Monroe.
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Gannon, you don’t think Sarkozy can keep a mistress? Even the Democrats would’ve wanted to get rid of Clinton if he had tried to make Monica the first lady. They’re supposed to have a presentable wife and there’s no man on earth who’d prefer Hillary to Carla.
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@jaakkeli:
I agree with you that Carla is a very nice lady.
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The #1 way to improve your sex life? Have sex with persons.
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“You are not there to win over women, they are there to win over you.”
amen.
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The Celtic groups are only “genetically like the English” at genes that do not contribute to observable differences. In fact, researchers have to look at such genes or else they’d conclude that two groups were closely related just because they had similar observable traits — like Australian Aborigines and Africans, who are actually very distantly related.
How much of the Celtic-English difference is genetic, who knows. But the point is, outlaw badboy types (even if civilized) are more common among Celtic people than English.
When I said the Japanese are more rockstar, I meant compared to other northeast Asian groups like the Chinese or Koreans.
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There is no evidence for this tabloid rumor. Putin says there isn’t a word of truth to it.
Today’s news from Russia: the newspaper that broke the story has been suddenly discontinued.
The owner denies that the move has anything to do with the story and that the fact that there was no prior announcements of trouble is just a coincidence.
Nothing to see there…
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What you do in this blog’s introversion. It’s the emo insecure type that’s damaging and inconstructive in all cases.
The psychological technique you’re describing is commonly used in theatre and in training anyone who needs to project relaxation or authority. It’s called ‘cameras out’ in reference to acting as if an inner camera is constantly focused on every single action you take, rather than every single action others take.
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By the way, I’m really impressed with Putin. He managed to get that beautiful 24 year old Alina Kabajewa, a woman stilll in her prime and a gymnast to boost, who looks younger than her age.
I hear he owes it all to the to the RSD bootcamp. He just wasn’t having any luck before that.
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So if an RSD bootcamp or becoming tsar of Russia are both paths to getting top quality pussy, which do you think is easier for the average non-Russian?
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32 na-ny
““you might find theres no chemistry, she might be a flake, you never know.”
If you want certainty, don’t play with women. Just stay home.”
if heartiste ever did a column about how to deal with flaky women, id like to see it
obviously the trick is to just let them go and forget about it, but what if you happen to see them again? gets awkward
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47 duke
“if heartiste ever did a column about how to deal with flaky women, id like to see it”
It’s my opinion that heartiste is a flake, so how is he going to tell you how to deal with flaky women? And what is flaky? That they don’t do what you want or expect them to? Are you upset because there is no chemistry? Or that she is a flake because she didn’t have sex with you?
Sorry, but men are so strange. By and large they seem to want to control and manipulate women to get what they need without appearing to be needy. What women want is to be related to sexually and non sexually as persons with vaginas, not vaginas with persons.
Heartiste is mainly trying to teach ya’ll how to get what you need without relating to women as persons but make them think that you are. By and large women are turned off by needy men, but you guys sure sound needy.
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48 na-ny boo-boo 69
A girl is a flake if:
she expresses interest in seeing you again, but won’t commit to a date and eventually stops answering your calls.
She agrees to a date and later reneges.
Or she may simply give you her phone number and she doesn’t pick up. This is less flaking than her softly rejecting you.
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#49 TSM pretty much said it all.
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50 duke
I get the whole flaky girl thing. Here’s the female version:
A guy is an asshole if:
He seems very interested in you as a person, has sex with you, then his subsequent attitude reveals you were nothing more than a means to an end and your existence has now become a major inconvenience. It hurts, which is one reason why women are so skittish towards men.
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Are all these replies from the same person? Dude, your blog sucks ass and you spent a lot of time creating all these responses.
nuff said.
but…(bate your breath) now you have your 1st real response!
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This is my personal seduction affirmation list. It’s mostly to help me be successful with women but also has a lot to do with having self-esteem, confidence and a healthy psychological state of being. Feel free to use it and share it with others. It took me a long time to build this list and I have found it extremely helpful. Using these affirmations has forever changed my life and I’m sure it will change yours too!
Everything in your life has to do with your psychological state of being. You are your thoughts and your thoughts are you. Change your mind and you change the world. Your external reality is nothing more than a reflection of your internal reality. Do not look out there, look within. Work on your inner self and inner world first then everything else will change for the better.
Perception is Reality. How you perceive the exterior world determines what your experience of it will be. These affirmations may seem outrageous because they are. Embrace them absolutely and completely, trust me on this one! The human mind cannot tell the difference between what is real and imagined. Being “delusional” is how you get good at life.
Beliefs of Naturals – My Reality
Read 3 times before bed and in the morning(do it for a for month) Record in the second person. Play recording on a loop continuously at a low volume(whisper). Play recording during the day and at night while sleeping.
1. Being with me is the best possible choice for any woman.
2. Women love men and especially love me.
3. I love life!
4. I am God. I am Perfect. This is my universe!
5. I am fearless, courageous and bold!!!
6. I read incredibly fast!
7. Women love sex and want sex from me.
8. My intelligence, creativity and potential is infinite!
9. I am exceptionally social and outgoing.
10. I am completely focused, organised and use my time with the utmost efficiency.
11. Women are nurtures and pleaser’s who want to nurture and please me.
12. I am an infinitely self-assured, confident, sexual and dominant male.
13. Everyday in every way I am better and better!!!
14. I have complete control over my life, mind and psychological state of being.
15. I am the greatest genius this world has ever seen.
16. I heal instantly!
17. I am successful, confident and achieve my goals. I exude infinite sex, power, confidence, happiness and self-love all the time.
18. I can be, do and have anything I want to in this world, my possibilities are endless!!!
19. I love myself! I am complete, fulfilled and completely happy!!!
20. I am growing more beautiful and luminous day by day.
21. Everybody loves me and all women want me! I make friends easily.
23. I access all the knowledge in the universe.
25. I am completely irresistible to women!
26. Regardless of how she is reacting to me she is getting aroused.
27. I see the underlying truth in all things.
28. I am an adventurer! I travel the world!
29. Regardless of how she is reacting to me I am the prize she is trying to win over!
30. I am a multi-millionaire and master seducer!
31. I love what I do and am richly rewarded, creatively and financially.
32. I have a perfect photographic memory! I recall everything easily.
33. Since she wants to have sex with me, the power is in my court to decide whether she lives up to my standards and expectations. I get to decide if we have sex.
34. I create my own reality!
35. Today I love my body fully, deeply and joyfully.
37. Today I open my mind to the endless opportunities surrounding me.
38. Prosperity surrounds me, prosperity fills me, prosperity flows to me and through me.
39. I have sex with super hot, confident, loving, caring and intelligent women with genius IQ’s all the time!
40. I think positively every day, all the time.
41. I attract amazing people.
43. My body is now trained to burn fat and build muscle day by day.
44. I have a six pack of abdominal muscles.
46. I am filled with the light of love, peace, happiness, power, success and joy every day, all the time.
47. I am aggressive, direct and powerful with the women I desire. I radiate a confidence, self-control and charm that women find irresistibly attractive.
48. My mind is focused on what I desire and I go for it congruently and powerfully.
49. I take immediate advantage of my opportunities with women. I swiftly establish incredible rapport, gather the information I need, then close with aggression, power and finesse.
50. I radiate a natural, easy self-acceptance that women find irresistibly attractive.
51. I am mastering the responses, attitudes, behaviours, insights and timing that bring me irresistible power with the women I desire.
52. I am now approaching women that I am attracted to.
53. I am able to pick up and attract any women I desire.
54. I am a strong, powerful, aggressive, dominant, alpha male, leader and conqueror!!!
55. I am smooth, charming, interesting and fascinating!!!
56. I have a perfectly sculptured muscle ripped body.
57. I am super hot and sexy, all women want me!
58. Abundance is my natural state of being!
59. Money comes to me easily and continuously from multiple sources!
61. My IQ and intelligence increases daily rapidly!!!
62. I have clear beautiful skin!
63. I have lucid dreams and recall all my dreams with complete clarity!
65. All things are now working together for good in my life.
67. I rule the world! I am brilliant and perfect in every possible way!
68. I succeed in everything I do!
69. I have sex with one thousand super hot women!
70. I am now enjoying everything I do and feel happy just being alive.
71. Sex with super hot women comes to me easily and effortlessly.
72. All things are now working together for good in my life.
73. I have the infinite creative power of God within me.
74. I am a Bad Boy, Player, Natural and Ladies Man!
75. I am a Sexy Beast! Everywhere I go women want to fuck me!
76. I have sex with supermodels daily.
77. Supermodels have an incredible desire to fuck me wherever I go!
78. I attract whatever I desire.
79. I am the most desirable man in the world. I am God’s gift to women.
80. Supermodels and incredibly hot women proactively, persistently and aggressively seek me out to fuck me.
81. Beautiful women are extremely persistent with me for sex.
82. What I believe is reality. Women experience me as extremely intoxicating, exciting and addictive.
83. I am a catch and out of her league, any woman that’s with me is very fortunate to have my attention.
84. Beautiful women are extremely attracted to me on a deeply subconscious level.
85. Women are perverted creatures who are always trying to fuck me.
86. Every morning I wake up in bed with twenty supermodels.
Attitude of the The Prize
You got to be a bit self-centered, a jerk and an asshole. The difference between nice guys and Alpha males: Nice guys place a woman on a pedestal, Alpha males place themselves on a pedestal. Just be Alpha and dominant. Chicks dig 50 Cent not Steve Urkel. Alpha males love themselves more than they ever could any woman on this planet. Always remember that you are more important than any woman on this planet regardless of how physically attractive she may be. You have high value and she has very low value. You are the Prize she is trying to win over. Perceive the world the same way Brad Pitt does, every high valued quality woman wants you but they’re just not good enough. Every woman on the planet wants you so why settle for the first thing that comes along? Your attitude should be:
“I am a catch.”
“I am out of your league.”
When I became self-centered, that’s how I got good with women. Always talk down to hot women!
Behave around hot women and talk to them as though they have very low value. Perceive her as a fat ugly chick. Talk to her and carry yourself around her the same way you would to a fat ugly chick. You are a catch, she should be trying to win over your approval!
Know that there are only ever two steps to follow to figure out anything in life.
1. Ask yourself “What works?”
2. Become that!
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