The longer a woman is in a relationship, the less often she wants sex.
A woman’s sex drive begins to plummet once she is in a secure relationship, according to research.
Researchers from Germany found that four years into a relationship, less than half of 30-year-old women wanted regular sex.
Conversely, the team found a man’s libido remained the same regardless of how long he had been in a relationship.
This is great justification for men to either keep a harem with high turnover, or to be serially monogamous with a few unjaded mistresses on the side. If you include a woman’s sex drive as a variable, her shelf life in a relationship is even shorter than her remaining years of youth would indicate.
They found 60% of 30-year-old women wanted sex “often” at the beginning of a relationship, but within four years of the relationship this figure fell to under 50%, and after 20 years it dropped to about 20%.
In contrast, they found the proportion of men wanting regular sex remained at between 60-80%, regardless of how long they had been in a relationship.
This proves that men were designed by the forces of natural selection to seek out new willing partners every few years. I think the concubines would be OK with this arrangement as long as the harem keeper continued to financially, if not emotionally, provide for the aging mothers of his children. In polygamous societies, the discarded older wives get their emotional nourishment from gossiping with each other and collectively raising the children. People would be surprised how effortlessly most women could fall into a polygamist arrangement, given the right social environment. Their uncontrollable lust for alpha males would be unquenchable were it not for artificial cultural boundaries.
He said: “For men, a good reason their sexual motivation to remain constant would be to guard against being cuckolded by another male.”
But women, he said, have evolved to have a high sex drive when they are initially in a relationship in order to form a “pair bond” with their partner.
But, once this bond is sealed a woman’s sexual appetite declines, he added.
Goddamn the market for sexbots will be huge.
Lesson for men: Start prowling around the first time your girlfriend or wife says she has a headache. It’s only going to get worse.
“The rational for why a woman’s sex drive declines may be down to supply and demand. If something is in infinite supply, the perceived value would drop.”
Myth shattered: The bonds of long-lasting love in a committed relationship make for better (read: more frequent) sex.
I suppose couples could go the kinky route to reinvigorate their moribund sex lives, but that reeks of desperation. Nothing says “I want to fuck you” like prepping with a chest full of leather masks and mechanical gadgets. The woman’s naked body should be enough to get the man hard.
They could also not have children. I bet that would keep the flames burning a few extra years. Or they could follow the recommendation and give the man room to stray. A man getting fresh vagina on the side is a happier husband for his frigid wife.
This has been yet another after school special shattering popular myths brought to you by me, your envoy of strife, hate, and gleeful cruelty.

This was too long for me to read in full but I had to through something out there. How many men in long-term relationships stop bothering to please their girl? How many married hicks are there who think no foreplay, a couple pumps, and turning on SportsCenter is ‘sex’. Not surprising woman married to those men would want it less. Just a thought.
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Define beta: fixing spelling mistakes in a comment on a blog to gain approval of people you will never meet.
Through = throw.
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I just read the article linked and it does take some evolutionary principles into account, but where it fails is it takes the survey of women’s sex drives instead of using independent sources like chemical levels. If most men are beta then the fire wasn’t very strong to begin with and will continue to decline. The beta of todays world is usually a bit on the passive aggressive side and may have gotten the woman by denying his desire for sex. Since, the woman was equally as horny in the beginning it didn’t matter because the wound up having a lot of sex anyway. Betas often fall into the desire for tenderness because of more effeminate tendencies. Now the problems begin when the woman gets tired of the beta’s lame repetitive antics. He no longer sparks the passion.
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What does a headache have to do with her vagina? I don’t see how those two areas are connected. I can’t believe women still use that.
That is all
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VK: now if she gets the headache from a good hard banging that involves incidental contact with a headboard on the bed, she has an excuse.
Otherwise I don’t want to hear the headache excuse.
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Seriously, if someone doesn’t get those sexbots off the ground we are going to have to kill off a lot of guys to make a harem arrangement structure feasible without riots. Can’t we have a war where only men are allowed on the front lines? I vote all men making less than 250K per yer get drafted to fight in some meaningless war where they are only equipped with waterguns and a pack of chewing gum.
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Two structural flaws of a polygamous society: surplus males and intra-offspring rivalry.
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Then again, we don’t need sexbots to keep at least some surplus males pacified:
Just convince a good chunk of them that they’re undesirable Betas, and give them Wii, PS2, WoW and free pron sites.
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Four years? I read that somewhere else too: http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/archives/vol7no2/v7no2_Devlin.pdf
The author uses the terms “rotating polyandry” and “hypergamy.”
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Sorry guys and survey people. I found the exact opposite in all my LT relationships. The longer it went on the more the women wanted sex. I always thought it was the security they liked. The probelm was, in my callow youth, the more they wanted it, the more I wanted someone else. They Al Bundy’d me into submission!!
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Her declining interest in sex has nothing to do with him — when something exponentially decays like that, it “wants” to be at a much lower level. It’s like if a bird population has too many individuals for the environment to support, those excess birds will be shot out (either they move out or just die), until the population reaches a stable level that the environment can support.
Why does the woman’s interest in sex approach that stable level from above rather than from below — like, why doesn’t she start out with almost no interest in sex and then gradually have more interest until she’s happy? Because the man needs to be convinced that she’s going to put out, so her level must exceed some threshold to get him to commit.
After he’s committed, she has him trapped and can allow her interest in sex to decay to the low level where she’s in a long-term happy state (she can be happy when having frequent sex, but this type of happiness is transient, not stable).
This is what instilling jealousy in her corrects for: it says he’s about to leave, so she ramps up her interest in sex above the threshold again to convince him, though again it decays after a bit.
Her interest in sex is like a heartbeat that cannot sustain itself — it wants to flatline, and you have to periodically apply a jolt to her in order for it to reach high levels again.
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I am with Michael Katcher on this one. I have been in relationships where the sex has dwindled because of him, but was blamed on me. Seriously, 3 minutes is not sex; it’s jerking off inside of me. Knowing that is on the horizon doesn’t make me so eager. Men stop trying to woo…
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Young couple thinking of getting married:
Girl: So, what is it that you are wanting and expecting out of marriage?
Guy: Well, one, if you decide to lose weight for our weeding guests, then you can keep that weight off for me. I am more important than they are. And, two, the amount of hair-pulling, ass-spanking, hot monkey sex we have should increase throughout the marriage. It should not decrease. Our love is supposed to grow. You can use cock-worshiping blowjobs as your basic metric.
Girl: Oh.
The old roles for Husband and Wife are gone. Any young couple that does not talk about exactly what they want out of marriage is playing with fire.
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Sex is the biggest nothing of all time.
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Ummm… my sex drive has NEVER dwindled unless -I- lost interest in the guy. And then I broke up with him so it didn’t matter anyways.
I might be an exception, but I think it just takes a little more effort to keep women pleased, and most guys don’t want to put in the effort.
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Two non-nasty ways to combat this are:
1. Make her a bit jealous, i.e. don’t be afraid to flirt innocently with attractive women in her presence. This means you have to remain a plausible, even if remote, threat to leave. Thererfore you _must_ maintain your attractiveness to other women, both physically and in terms of your personal appeal. Don’t let yourself go. Don’t let your “game” go.
2. Do new and exciting things with her. Travel sex is no myth. Don’t get stuck in the rut of staying home watching TV.
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Jo, were you ever married…I think that is a big factor.
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bring on the replicants!
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I’m engaged and have been with my current boyfriend/fiancee for 3 and a half years.
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Write back two years after your first child is born. That seems to be the key number, from what i have read.
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I lose interest quicker than they do. My libido for a single person has a half-life of about 6 months. I need variety. My girlfriend of 5 years gives me permission to screw around as long as I know who #1 is, and I find my sexual desire for her gets stronger when I have a regular #2 on the side.
I come from a long line of men who fathered children with multiple women.
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Two Words.
Open Marriage.
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It’s interesting how quick people are to lay the blame for a woman’s declining sex drive at the man’s feet, claiming that he must be doing something wrong in the bedroom if she’s not interested in sex anymore — commenters Michael Katcher, Lemmonex, and Jo among them.
But let’s assume the premise is accurate for the sake of argument. In that case, we could just as easily blame male infidelity on women: If they were taking care of business at home, their men wouldn’t stray.
Everyone comfortable accepting that? If not, you need to revisit that first claim.
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Write back two years after your first child is born. That seems to be the key number, from what i have read.
If people want kids they’re going to make sacrifices, and unlike the childless those people will spread their genes. If you prefer the pleasure principle alone, then don’t get married and don’t have kids like so many others out there. But your kind will become extinct. Also, try not to keep harping about the plummeting birth rates without pitching in your own efforts.
By the way, sexual touch and sexual activity between people who love each other does not stop after having kids. If the love never existed in the first place then maybe they will stop. But a woman who truly loves her man will be happy when he is happy, and will be happy by making him happy (which means having sex with him). Some men can’t seem to imagine any way that a woman could actually love them like this.
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for me, sex is always better outside of a long-term relationship. whenever i had a steady boyfriend we’d eventually chuck the condoms and i’d go on the pill, and my interest in him and desire in sex would almost always wane. when we break up and i go off the pill i feel like it doin it again. hormones blow.
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Reggie, I think the woman or the man can be to blame. It is a case by case situation. I have both been the uninterested party and the person begging depending on the relationship.
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If you prefer the pleasure principle alone, then don’t get married and don’t have kids like so many others out there. But your kind will become extinct. Also, try not to keep harping about the plummeting birth rates without pitching in your own efforts.
Jeez, you read a lot into so few words.
People should be completely up front and honest about what it is that they want and expect in a marriage. And these thoughts should be expressed before any engagement, let alone marriage. The old vows are obviously not working.
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See, this is why I don’t refuse sex. Obviously, there are the illness/grief exceptions, but it’s a self-policing policy, and it’s in my best interests to be honest.
If I’m genuinely invested in the relationship, and with someone who’s equally invested, I’ll get turned on, even if I wasn’t at the beginning. If that doesn’t happen, that tells me that I need to reexamine what I want with this person.
And if I’m not interested in initiating, ever, that’s a similar sign that something’s wrong.
Furthermore, if I’m going to commit to being in a relationship, I’ve committed to a certain amount of effort to keep my partner happy. Even if I’m not genuinely aroused, I should still *want* to have a healthy physical relationship with my boyfriend.
I wonder if the study made the distinction between number of times the women spontaneously desire/initiate sex, and the number of times they participate regardless of arousal.
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In my situation also my husband was who did not want to have sex as often! Not me. I wanted sex every day and him, on weekends only. It was sad to me and I felt rejected by him, but I think he was uptight about money, work, marriage, … a lot of fears. I try to initiate, he was uninterested except on weekends. Women do not really like being the initiators of sex very often I don’t think. Very strange and our marriage ended. Sex is so important for keeping. If it’s good, keep it good and often. But most men are not like my ex. I don’t think so.
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Reminds me of the saying “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” If people let sex die or kill it (however you want to look at it) they should agree to move on more quickly or repair the sex part of the relationship earlier on. Then we wouldn’t have to have these depressing stats in the first place.
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what happy news! i hope OHIP will leap to action and cover the cost for this. cancel the census and use the money to unsperminate.
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Teen girls are hornier than older women.
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“A woman’s sex drive begins to plummet once she is in a secure relationship, according to research.”
Yes, women get bored too. Even lesbians get bored with wach other after a while. Introduce an attractive new partner to a woman and watch her labido(sp) return to it previous height.
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The guy in my gravie can turn on about 75% of all American women(game and money not needed).
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I call bullshit…. how can you even discuss this without defining “often” ?
also, not to generalize too broadly, but wives in polygamous societies aren’t “discarded” — they may not be getting piped like the young wife but they are still afforded status and security
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It isn’t the man’s “fault”. The phenomenon is even more pronounced in lesbian relationships.
It’s called “Lesbian Bed Death”, and it’s disturbing even to many lesbians themselves, caught off guard by their own automatic female responses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death
Gay couples on the other hand don’t get this. No one ever complains about Faggot Bed Death!
Gay men don’t have higher sex drives than straight men; men, be they gay or straight, just don’t lose their sex drives because of relationship security. Of course natural aging leads to lower sex drive in virtually everyone, but we’re discussing a different phenomenon.
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No the Wiki article was not referring to the study in the BBC link, but that’s not really important; I can think of a whole lot of studies of gay and lesbian (And straight male and female) sexual behavior showing consistent things.
I don’t see why “hormones levels” are important at all. What’s at issue is male and female behavior.
If men being terrible at sex was the reason women lost interest in sex faster, then lesbians wouldn’t lose interest in sex even faster than straight women.
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Not that it’s terribly important to this conversation WHY male and females differ, by the way, but there actually are a number of studies linking hormones and sexual behavior.
The hormone treatments used in male-to-female transsexuals and female-to-male transsexuals change sex drive, &c. in predictable ways.
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patrick bateman #22
My girlfriend of 5 years gives me permission to screw around as long as I know who #1 is
it’s difficult not to forget.
such is the lure of novelty.
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^johnny five 47
I agree with you. I’m not very emotional at all but I still get attached to #2. But why the hell would I ever leave #1 when she lets me stick my dick in other women? Hell, I’m probably going to propose next spring. The thought that sex with #2 will get stale is always on my mind. None of my #2s know the arrangement either; it takes the thrill out of it. They usually just think I’m cheating because of something #1 did. It keeps them excited and gives me an out when I want to try to “work things out” with #1.
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keeping a woman on the side or fucking prositutes is a a time honored tradition.
only in christ fearing america or fat lazy briton has it ever been considered wrong and evil for a man to pop his cork in some other women.
traditionaly a man who has a real love affair outside of the marriage has been considered a bad guy, and a man who leaves his wife and kids was considered a loser and not strong enough to be a respected community member. now due to men and women’s behavior (mostly women as they are the real gate keepers) instead of this tom cat type behavior we have serial monogomy and women are actually more likely to have thier hearts broken by the men they select.
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46 Rain And “Not that it’s terribly important to this conversation WHY male and females differ, by the way, but there actually are a number of studies linking hormones and sexual behavior.”
There are in fact legions of such studies.
48 Patrick Bateman “It keeps them excited and gives me an out when I want to try to “work things out” with #1.”
Your #1 is a fool. Why? Because how you treat #2 says a lot about YOU.
49 che che “instead of this tom cat type behavior we have serial monogomy and women are actually more likely to have thier hearts broken by the men they select.”
This is very true. Have experienced this myself. I would prefer the tom cat behavior. It is much easier to recognize and deal with. Serial monogamists fake commitment to get their “needs” met, but a wise woman will read their body language and ignore their words and deeds.
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Hell, I’m probably going to propose next spring.
don’t.
just… don’t.
unless you have very very very very good reasons, as in little reasons that will crawl around the carpet and scream for milk and need a stable family in which to grow up. there are no other good reasons.
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The point regarding frequency and interest on the part of women nearing or beyond age 40 is undeniable. As women are not generally suitable for childbearing beyond that age, biology has taken center stage and lowered libido and hormone levels.
The phenomenon regarding lowered interest levels in women 4 years into a relationship could be simple boredom, we men should recognize this easily.
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Gannon-older women CAN be serious fuck monkeys.
My first post-marriage sex was with a 54-year old grandmother/retired dancer. She fucked me into a coma, so much so that I cancelled my appointments the next day to keep going. You don’t find many three-input, don’t spill a drop, if you’re not hard again I need to suck harder women like her at any age, never mind on the first day you met her.
I don’t recall many 20-somethings like that when I was one, and I got around.
My buds all laughed at me when I told them about her-until she met me the last stop when I was on a pub crawl with the boys, wearing a snug minidress that accentuated her still-shapely (fake) cans. I told them that banging her was like playing catch now with Nolan Ryan-your glove might not pop quite so much now but you can see that you might not have been able to handle it in his heyday!
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I read these posts and have to conclude you guys are metaphorically walking around blindfolded with your hands out, hoping to grab a boob.
When a girl dates a guy seriously, she is probably settling for the nice guy, the ‘beta’, as you put it. No one in their right mind would date a badass. We sacrifice excitement for stability in relationships, which is probably a smart move evolutionarily. Initially, the banging is nice, maybe even ‘hot’ a few times, but no one wants to give a sweet, kindly boy a blowjay, once a day for four years… They might be wonderful people, but I can’t think of the last time I wanted to have mindblowing sex with a wonderful person.
If by chance, you happen to be dating a badass, someone who is always a little out of arms reach (emotionally unavailable) then the sex will be hot for as long as the guy is around. The girl will do just about anything for a little love and attention, and there will be blowjays and banging in abundance. And from anecdotal experience most people have a masochistic streak, they love chasing after and pleasing the unattainable party.
It just comes down to relationship dynamics. Who’s settling and what direction the power differential sways. I’ve met couples where the guy is the alpha dog or alternatively the wife is the alpha dog. I would bet though, that sex is always better in the former than the latter situation. This is a generalization, but I think it holds true for a majority of guy/girl relationships.
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>If by chance, you happen to be dating a badass, someone who is always a little out of arms reach (emotionally unavailable) then the sex will be hot for as long as the guy is around.
That sort of validates the whole concept of game, does it not?
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Usually Lurking 14
“The old roles for Husband and Wife are gone. Any young couple that does not talk about exactly what they want out of marriage is playing with fire.”
You’re right, but if you think the talking and agreeing before marriage guarantees the happy result you want, or will even make it a lot more likely, I think you are kidding yourself.
Really the only thing it definites does do is help you weed out the REALLY bad prospects, continued sex drive wise. If before marriage she’s thinking that “she’ll be able to relax” fitness and sex frequency wise after marriage, run don’t walk.
I promise you however that any “commitment” she makes to you will be forgotten. First if it isn’t in writing she’ll forget it, deny it, or twist it down into nothingness as soon as the discrepancy starts to make her look bad. Second she’ll come up with a million reasons why it’s all your fault. If she can’t think of them herself, and women are “great” at this, her girlfriends will be more than happy to help her out; she could also just watch a night of American sit coms.
Beyond the relaxing after marriage red flag there are some others. Don’t even THINK about marrying a bridezilla, or rationalize that that is just one small unfortunate part of her makeup. Not so. If she’s excessively focused on the wedding, or of GETTING MARRIED, as opposed to wanting really badly to spend her whole life with you, bad sign. Wrong girl.
Sustained sluttery means she will cheat and a lot and then leave you when one of her trolling expeditons give her a lot of NRE’s (unless you beat her to it, but it will be big money from you either way). I don’t think a period of sluttery followed by a good long period (relatively) of being reformed, and not just because she figured otherwise her rep would be so bad she’d never get a desireable husband, is a deal breaker necessarily, but lots of due diligence is called for. I.e. she’s gonna be in cover up mode bid time if she isn’t such a reformed slut at heart, now isn’t she?
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Jessica 34–
“See, this is why I don’t refuse sex. Obviously, there are the illness/grief exceptions, but it’s a self-policing policy, and it’s in my best interests to be honest.
If I’m genuinely invested in the relationship, and with someone who’s equally invested, I’ll get turned on, even if I wasn’t at the beginning. If that doesn’t happen, that tells me that I need to reexamine what I want with this person.”
Your attitude is SERIOUSLY great but also unfortunately seriously rare these days in the United States — but much less in other countries. I bet the majority of French women would agree with you for example.
It’s going to be a great help in the success of your eventual marriage, I can tell you that. IF you chose a man who both turns you on a lot (though not necessarily the most that anyone ever has) (ie is alpha enough for you) and also both deeply cares for you in particular and is generous by nature with his feelings and efforts for those he cares about — well, it will be damn good. You’ll be, and damn he will be, among the fortunate ones whose marriage prospers in this terrible for marriage time and place.
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che che 49–
“keeping a woman on the side or fucking prositutes is a a time honored tradition.
only in christ fearing america or fat lazy briton has it ever been considered wrong and evil for a man to pop his cork in some other women.
traditionaly a man who has a real love affair outside of the marriage has been considered a bad guy, and a man who leaves his wife and kids was considered a loser and not strong enough to be a respected community member. now due to men and women’s behavior (mostly women as they are the real gate keepers) instead of this tom cat type behavior we have serial monogomy and women are actually more likely to have thier hearts broken by the men they select.”
Very well put. Couldn’t agree with you more.
It used to be common in this country too in the upper middle class on up. Was until the fifties actually.
The first stage of the feminist revolution, at least after getting the vote, was changing divorce laws. This went hand ind had with a campaign to get the whole culture to agree that male infidelity was just as bad as female infidelity and just as unforgiveable and necessary to severely punish in divorce court, if the “offened” wife so chose.
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@Usually Lurking
“Young couple thinking of getting married:
Girl: So, what is it that you are wanting and expecting out of marriage?
Guy: Well, one, if you decide to lose weight for our weeding guests, then you can keep that weight off for me. I am more important than they are. And, two, the amount of hair-pulling, ass-spanking, hot monkey sex we have should increase throughout the marriage. It should not decrease. Our love is supposed to grow. You can use cock-worshiping blowjobs as your basic metric.
Girl: Oh.
The old roles for Husband and Wife are gone. Any young couple that does not talk about exactly what they want out of marriage is playing with fire.”
I LOVE that! So wish I’d read that 5 years ago!!!
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