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Beta Of The Year Award: Husband Takes Wife’s Name

May 7, 2008 by CH

One of the telltale signs of the escalating emasculation of mainstream American culture has been the trend of wives keeping their maiden names, either in whole or in ridiculous hyphenation. And then selfishly passing on this matronymic abomination to their children. Men relinquish so much autonomy and prerogative to pursue their natural male desires when they get married that it’s the ultimate insult to their dignity to have to throw back the one measly bone of their wives taking their family name. The maiden married name racket is like the ultimate shit test — accede to your wife’s feminist posturing and you will be tarred with the beta brush every day of your life you are married to her.

The irony is that the maiden name is the wife’s father’s name. When a woman keeps her last name in marriage, she’s keeping another man’s name, just not her husband’s. Even women with three generations worth of hyphenated last names are hauling around the history of the male ancestors in their families. The patriarchy that these “enlightened” women are supposedly fighting against lives on.

Which brings us to the first ever Beta Of The Year Award.

Check out this guy who sued the state of California to take his wife’s surname in marriage.

All Michael Buday wanted to do was take the last name of his wife, Diana Bijon, when they married.

But it took two years, a lawsuit alleging sex discrimination and a change in California law before he picked up his new drivers license in the name of Michael Bijon on Monday.

“It was personal. I feel much closer to (Diana’s) father than I do mine. She asked me to take her name and I thought it would be very simple. I never imagined the state would make it so difficult,” Michael Bijon, 31, told reporters.

This guy wins the coveted BOTY trophy (the trophy is a man tucking his junk between his legs). What a bravura performance! Take a curtsy, King Of All Betas.

Look how proud he is of his self-castration:


she fucks him with her clit.

And what does this champion of women’s lib do for a living?

After months of frustration, the Los Angeles computer programmer and his ER nurse wife Diana, 29, took their problem to the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.

He may look alpha but it’s the inside nerd that counts. He must feel so grateful for getting laid. I wonder how many other conditions he had to abide before she consented to marry him?

“Women have fought for so long for equal rights and it feels like this is part of that fight,” said Diana Bijon.

Blah blah fucking blah. Could you imagine being shackled for life to this shrike? Last thing any man wants in a wife is an ideological axe grinder.

“I am really, really proud of him. Not many men would do this,” she said.

That’s true. Not many men would do that. Good thing you married a quisling bitchboy. Prep the divorce papers.

“This disposes of the rule in California that the male surname is the marital name to the same trash bin where dowries were once tossed out,” said Mark Rosenbaum, legal director of the Southern California chapter of the ACLU.

When future generations of dysfunctional feral kids in a post-apocalyptic third-worldicized USA ask why men stopped getting married and the institution fell into utter disrepute you can point them to quotes like this. Something these self-appointed commissars of culture never seem to grasp:

Maxim #27: You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.

Here’s the deal: If your wife truly loves you as the rock solid man you are, and not the beaten down betaboy she imagines she wants, she’ll be happy to take your name because she’ll understand and appreciate how much you sacrifice as a man when getting married. If she’s not on board with the name change, then like a ballcutting canary in the coal mine warning you of danger you can bet you’ll be begging for sex once a month.

In a second interview soon to be published, King Of All Betas had this to say:

– he will pee sitting so that he can identify with the urinary oppression of women.
– his dog will be named “Cat”.
– he will wear pink ribbons and march in every women’s rights parade in the country and donate thousands of dollars to every women’s cause under the sun. Then he will be diagnosed with prostate cancer.
– he will give any future sons girl’s names and his daughters boy’s names. He will force his son to play with Barbies and teach his five year old daughter safe sex.
– he will wear an empathy belly when his wife is pregnant. Shit, he’ll wear it when she’s constipated.
– he will ask permission to cum. He will then say “Are you sure?” each time permission is granted. He will say “Sorry” when he gets a little on the bedsheet. He will beg forgiveness if it hits her in the face.
– his wife likes golden showers. He is the mouth toilet.
– he will apologize for walking in on his wife fucking me.
– I will tell him to shut up and make me a sammich.
– when she inevitably divorces his beta ass he’ll cry so hard that he hyperventilates himself to death.

The only reason this guy isn’t demoted to omega status is because he managed to get married, and to a decently attractive woman. But he’s a great example of how you can’t judge male betaness primarily by looks like you can judge female betaness. If you showed me pictures of two random men and asked me to guess which of the two was the beta and all I knew about them was that one was ugly and the other was a good-looking computer programmer who took his wife’s name in marriage, I’d choose the programmer as the more likely candidate for betaness.

Recap

Don’t get married.
If you do, insist your wife takes your name.
If she refuses, don’t marry her. She failed the litmus test.
Better yet, just don’t get married.

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  1. on May 7, 2008 at 2:33 pm Usually Lurking

    If you do, insist your wife takes your name.

    Never insist that she take your last name.

    She does not have to follow that particular tradition. Nor do you need to follow other traditions, like having a wedding, buying her a ring or getting married.

    If she openly states, “I absolutely want to take my man’s last name”, then, you know that you are onto something.

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  2. on May 7, 2008 at 2:43 pm Virgle Kent

    This story made me vomit my cheerios on my cock… seriously.

    I can’t think of anything funny to say because I’m so upset.

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  3. on May 7, 2008 at 3:00 pm okdc

    I have to agree that this story is sickening along the lines of people who advocate the more men should be pushed into roles like secretaries and nurses. However, it some cases it can be a non-issue. By that it really has to be a non-issue, both people really have to have no opinion. It becomes bad when the woman bucks the tradition in spite of the man, i.e. because she is famous and doesn’t want to hurt her career, has a feminist agenda, etc.

    In Spain and Latin America, no last names are changed and I believe children get both (I hope that is right).

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  4. on May 7, 2008 at 3:08 pm Kasey

    The Bijon’s are royally screwed. He’s the kind of guy who get’s pushed around and thinks it’s funny his office-mates pin “kick me” on his chair (he’ll need it since he doesn’t seem to have much of a spine).

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  5. on May 7, 2008 at 3:24 pm AC

    Yikes. Very disturbing. Equally disturbing that he bears an uncanny physical resemblance to a certain alpha male friend of mine…

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  6. on May 7, 2008 at 3:27 pm Steve Lurkel

    pathetic.

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  7. on May 7, 2008 at 3:38 pm DF

    Besides [female] lawyers & maybe sex reassingment surgeons, no profession has done more harm to masculinity and traditional sex roles than computer programmers.

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  8. on May 7, 2008 at 3:43 pm Peter

    What’s surprising is that he ever managed to find a woman at all.

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  9. on May 7, 2008 at 3:52 pm Hope

    But for some young player, he should definitely wait, enjoy his freedom. He can still get married, if he wants to, when he is in his 30’s.

    Maybe that’s what you might advocate, but it’s not what he advocated.

    “Don’t get married.
    Better yet, just don’t get married.”

    Hence the irony.

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  10. on May 7, 2008 at 3:56 pm PA

    What’s surprising is that he ever managed to find a woman at all.

    He’s not bad looking and looks like an assertive prick in non-mating spheres of life.

    His choice of taking on his wife’s name is probably a function of his “Brahmin” progressive environment more so than of his Betaness. He’s not a mere Herb. I think I know his type: he’s an ACLU-sicing true-believer California leftie.

    No more a Beta than the N.O.W.-pleasing Bill Clinton was.

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  11. on May 7, 2008 at 4:00 pm alias clio

    I think in this man’s case changing his name was a shot at his father – he says he feels closer to his wife’s father than to his own. Seems to be major hostility there. As for his wife interpreting it as a feminist gesture, that’s her view, and clearly not his.

    So perhaps he isn’t a beta at all, but an angry alpha taking potshots at a father who wasn’t really a father. I’ve actually known quite a few younger men like that in my office, though none of them went as far as this in expressing it. Take heed, fathers…But since his wife isn’t paying attention to what he says, they may well be headed for divorce some day, as you say.

    I decided years ago, when trying to work this one out, that since a woman always knows that her children are hers (barring bizarre swappings in the nursery), it is a legitimate male privilege to be able to claim them publicly as his too, with his name. And further, if a woman wants to feel as if she’s part of the same family, she ought to change her own name.

    But I don’t see anything wrong with using your original surname in professional circles, if you’ve already established yourself under that name.

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  12. on May 7, 2008 at 4:20 pm dcvibe

    When I get the pic of her fucking him with her clit out of my mind I’ll let you know. Sick bastard. I love it!

    Props for bringing this to light. How come the world didn’t hear about this on Oprah yet?

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  13. on May 7, 2008 at 4:21 pm Futilius

    Great point about the wife receiving her name from a male at some point. Since each child has about a 50-50 chance of being male and able to carry on the family name, a totally patrilineal system is as good as any to proportionately propagate surnames. As would a totally matrilineal one.

    The Chinese system also works, though, where no one changes their name but the children take the father’s. Minor quibble with Hope: there are three or so bisyllabic surnames that are quite common (Si ma, O yang).

    But, hey, Bijon is a pretty cool name.

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  14. on May 7, 2008 at 4:52 pm Brutus

    It might be Bijon, but it should be spelled Bichon, like the little white lapdogs.

    I’d wager that he’s taken the strap-on more than once!

    I remember the derision heaped upon a former co-worker when he married and took his wife’s name in hypenated form. He became Joe Smith-Jones, and she became Mary Jones-Smith. He never really answered when I asked what they’d be calling the kids.

    Clio, if he REALLY had a problem with his father, he’d have legally changed his surname already, like a friend of mine did to spite her abusive father.

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  15. on May 7, 2008 at 5:03 pm termagent

    ““It was personal. I feel much closer to (Diana’s) father than I do mine”

    I think this is more about him hating his father than loving his wife.

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  16. on May 7, 2008 at 5:03 pm Virgle Kent

    yeah, she’s a solid 7.5….. baby girl looks like she could deep throat a mean one with that neck of hers

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  17. on May 7, 2008 at 5:05 pm Gannon

    The guy looks pretty good though. THe woman probably looked good in her youth.

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  18. on May 7, 2008 at 5:10 pm cuchulainn

    Cats aren’t beta.

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  19. on May 7, 2008 at 5:11 pm termagent

    post script to 20

    This guy screams “passive-aggression”–the worst possible kind of aggression. I can only assume his father hates him just as much. He will obviously stoop to any level to get back at him, using whomever he needs to and found his “beloved” wife to be the perfect vehicle. Her feminist narcissism is getting a big boost here, but she’ll pay the price eventually.

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  20. on May 7, 2008 at 5:31 pm jaakkeli

    Americans! We’ve had this for, uh… well I remember that the nation’s number one celebrity athlete took his wife’s name in the early 1990s.

    She’s cute for 29 but better hair would help a lot. Short hair only looks acceptable on women who are attractive enough for it to matter less, but even then it’s a huge minus. Yet women cut their hair as they start getting older – makes no sense whatsoever.

    Short hair for women is probably another fad invented by bitter hairdressers (whether gay or post-menopausal) as revenge against straight guys.

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  21. on May 7, 2008 at 5:34 pm Peter

    THe woman probably looked good in her youth.

    Which would mean when she was a nice fertile and bleeding 14, right Gannon?

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  22. on May 7, 2008 at 5:57 pm Gannon

    @Peter: not necesarrily that young. But shave 8, 9 years from her age and you would get a completely hot babe. At 20 she must have been gorgeous.

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  23. on May 7, 2008 at 6:00 pm Gannon

    @Peter: my sexual preference for women is between 16-24. As long as it is legal, I have no problem having sex with a teen female. However, most of the women I have slept with were around 18-23, that is in college when booty is plenty and available.

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  24. on May 7, 2008 at 6:03 pm T.

    VK – why do you eat Cheerios with your cock out?

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  25. on May 7, 2008 at 6:08 pm agnostic

    Do a Google image search for her name — she’s all right, maybe a 6, 6.5 when they first met. She does look better with longer hair. It looks like there’s a 10 year age diff, even though it’s only 2.

    I agree that if it were really about getting back at his dad, he’d have already changed his name to Michael X or something.

    The real take-home lesson is: don’t settle on “computer programmer” as your career. In fact, high schools should use this news item as a scared straight tactic on career day.

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  26. on May 7, 2008 at 6:10 pm Azuzuru

    My uncle’s wife is a fire-breathing product of 70s feminism. She not only kept her name, but all three kids have her last name. No hyphen, just her last name.

    My uncle is an eviscerated shell of a man. She rules him. I don’t blame her at all — it’s his fault for failing to stand up and be a man.

    If I were totally in love with a woman it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker if she insisted on keeping her name. I wouldn’t like it at all, but it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker. However, over my dead body are my kids not bearing my last name. I have some pride.

    Ironically, nearly all my female friends eagerly took their husbands’ names when they got married, even the big time independent professional types. Go figure.

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  27. on May 7, 2008 at 6:33 pm cobiashi

    There may be a lot of wimpy computer programmer types out there. Definitely a stereotype though.

    I’m a “developer” by trade (though also a graphic designer), but I doubt that women would call me wimpy. I’m not whining for sex, and in no way would I take my (future) wife’s last name.

    In Iceland, its all patronymic, but not really a true last name. If I was Icelandic (or Nordic) I’d be Cobiashi Donaldson and my sister would be CobiashisSister Donaldsdottir. But my children would then be Son Cobiashisson, Daughter Cobiashisdottir.

    As long as the male doesn’t have the same name as the father (Donald Donaldson) then the last name doesn’t continue on past the immediate next generation. So everyone in Iceland has a definite middle name so that you can tell all the Donaldsons and Bjornsons apart.

    Just had to pipe up to defend my job. Though, I’m not stuck in a cube at Innotech, which I assume is the “wimpy” idea of programmers that you have.

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  28. on May 7, 2008 at 6:33 pm Peter

    But shave 8, 9 years from her age and you would get a completely hot babe.

    No matter what the context, any use of the word “shave” when discussing a woman makes me worried.

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  29. on May 7, 2008 at 6:39 pm Peter

    Do a Google image search for her name — she’s all right, maybe a 6, 6.5 when they first met. She does look better with longer hair. It looks like there’s a 10 year age diff, even though it’s only 2.

    To clear up my prior doubts about her lack of cleavage, it appears from some of the Google Images pictures that she does, indeed, have a decent if unspectacular rack. Her choice of bra probably is why there is no cleavage on this site’s picture.

    Agreed about the age difference – the man is a very old-looking 31.

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  30. on May 7, 2008 at 6:39 pm jaakkeli

    No matter what the context, any use of the word “shave” when discussing a woman makes me worried.

    So you like a good moustache?

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  31. on May 7, 2008 at 6:43 pm cobiashi

    yeah, google images is pulling up a lot of dogs. 😉

    she does look better with long hair.

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  32. on May 7, 2008 at 6:53 pm Reggie

    #25 jaakkeli

    Why the insistence on long hair? It’s not an evolutionary thing, or women wouldn’t be attracted to men with short hair. There aren’t a lot of scissors on the African veldt.

    Not that your preference is wrong, of course. But it is just a preference.

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  33. on May 7, 2008 at 7:14 pm jaakkeli

    Why the insistence on long hair?

    How should I know? The state of one’s hair is a pretty good indicator of age and health, I guess.

    It’s not an evolutionary thing, or women wouldn’t be attracted to men with short hair.

    Well they seem to be more attracted to me when I have long hair.

    But I don’t see the point. Men and women are attracted to different things.

    There aren’t a lot of scissors on the African veldt.

    Africans don’t have flowing long hair. (Not surprisingly, I’m hardly attracted to Africans unless they’re mixed enough to have good hair.)

    I even have a thing for reasonably attractive older women with good, long hair. They’re so rare that it easily catches my eye.

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  34. on May 7, 2008 at 8:58 pm Michael Blowhard

    Maybe he likes all the publicity.

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  35. on May 7, 2008 at 10:18 pm Slumlord

    Azuzuru

    If I were totally in love with a woman it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker if she insisted on keeping her name.

    It’s a deal breaker.

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  36. on May 7, 2008 at 10:24 pm Chic Noir

    One more thing guys.

    I read some time ago that young boys in Sweeden(school) are required to play with dolls as they are trucks.

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  37. on May 7, 2008 at 10:39 pm Steve Lurkel

    man, that’s just shameful. can’t we revoke his Y chromosome or something?

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  38. on May 7, 2008 at 11:15 pm jaakkeli

    I read some time ago that young boys in Sweeden(school) are required to play with dolls as they are trucks.

    It can get even worse than that. Norway has done the worst, the unthinkable, the greatest of all crimes against mankind:

    http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1474158.ece

    I think a nation that forces that on young boys has forfeited its right to exist. Norway clearly needs to be invaded (but not liberated, as it’s clearly already way too liberated).

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  39. on May 7, 2008 at 11:24 pm Peter

    Can anyone list Alpha type jobs.

    Investment banker, partner in a major law firm, hedge fund manager, corporate executive, successful entrepreneur.

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  40. on May 7, 2008 at 11:46 pm Nate

    Usually lurking, but I have to say you hit this topic right on point. I enjoy your reads and keep up the good work.

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  41. on May 7, 2008 at 11:49 pm Steve Lurkel

    What about alaskan king crab fishing boat captain?

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  42. on May 8, 2008 at 12:08 am Reggie

    Can anyone list Alpha type jobs.

    Investment banker, partner in a major law firm, hedge fund manager, corporate executive, successful entrepreneur.

    Lumberjack, crab fisherman, blacksmith, drug kingpin, ninja, Batman.

    I don’t know about “corporate executive.” Aren’t people always complaining about the spineless yes-men infesting corporate America? And “successful entrepreneur” includes quite a few computer programmers.

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  43. on May 8, 2008 at 12:52 am Futilius

    Investment banker, partner in a major law firm, hedge fund manager, corporate executive, successful entrepreneur.

    So, people who make lots of many are alpha? Might as well throw in professional athletes, actors, and rock stars. Most of those are alpha as well.

    Overall programmers are not wimpy, just nerdy. And most are security and privacy-obsessed civil libertarians (or even just plain libertarian), hence the ACLU love.

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  44. on May 8, 2008 at 12:53 am Futilius

    Lots of money, not lots of many 🙂

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  45. on May 8, 2008 at 1:14 am Chic Noir

    thanks Peter

    I guess that means most men are not alphas.

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  46. on May 8, 2008 at 1:50 am sestamibi

    Even though I’m a pathetic loser whose betahood was well-established by the time I got married at 46, I did have enough self-respect to draw the line on that one.

    So when I made my ultimatum about a month before our wedding, her answer was simply “OK”.

    Eleven years later and still going strong.

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  47. on May 8, 2008 at 2:00 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Although you’re right about the guy on a sociological level, this strikes a blow for men’s equality from a legal standpoint. Many many US laws benefit women.

    By forcing the court’s hand on this one, the guy could be setting precedent. Meaning…what’s good for the goose is now good for the gander. As such, maybe a legal argument can be made as to why women do not have to register for the draft and why circumcisiion is only illegal for women in the US. And why are statuatory rape laws only enfored on men? Why are men given far more prison time for the same crimes women commit?

    The idea that only women can legally change their names in marriage is absurd — maybe no man would ever WANT to change is surname, but he should have the right to. It’s hard to argue with that, esp. since it opens the door to the above.

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  48. on May 8, 2008 at 2:27 am Chic Noir

    “circumcisiion is only illegal for women in the US”

    when a man is uncut, he increases the likelyhood of passing on a disease, or causing an infection. Most women I know think it looks beter too.

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  49. on May 8, 2008 at 2:33 am Rain And

    …but i saw some of the google image pics of her and she’s been dropped to a 5.5.

    Google images significantly drops the guy’s rating as well. He only “looks alpha” in your picture.

    Seriously though, I can’t shake the feeling they are both just rabble-rousin’ libz stickin’ it to the last 10 conservatives that haven’t been chased out of Cali’ yet with their smug whiterpeople morality.

    The suspicion makes me a lot less certain I know anything about the power structure in their relationship.

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  50. on May 8, 2008 at 2:33 am Days of Broken Arrows

    “when a man is uncut, he increases the likelyhood of passing on a disease, or causing an infection. Most women I know think it looks beter too.”

    Who the fuck cares what women think? If it’s illegal for women, it should be illegal for men.

    If I as a man, said that I liked women to be circumcized, should we then cut women? Because the fact is, circumcized women smell better and are cleaner — plus they enjoy sex less and are less likely to pass on diseases.

    So by your logic, women should be cut as well. Why don’t you step up, while I get the knife?

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  51. on May 8, 2008 at 2:43 am Rain And

    Basically when liberalism is used by men to establish social rank and dominate other men, it is less obvious it is a beta quality.

    Black liberals, for instance, tend to live nothing like their politics.

    Jeremiah Wright preaches about “black feminism” and against “middleclassedness” because these ideas lead to power in his particular social niche. But does anyone really believe for a second this “anti-middleclass” feminist preacher who drives a Porsche and lives in a $1 million mansion in a 93% white neighborhood hasn’t also had 20+ women on the side over the years?

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  52. on May 8, 2008 at 2:51 am alias clio

    DoBA, I have no idea how circumcised women smell, of course, but I don’t know where you get the idea that they are “cleaner”. The process and its aftermath are so damaging that the women are more vulnerable to infections of every kind. They can also lead to higher risk of ectopic pregnancy and to serious risk of fistulas in childbirth. On the other hand, circumcision for male infants is relatively safer, and I’ve read that men who have been circumcised are less vulnerable to disease themselves – it’s not just the women with whom they have sexual relations who are better off.

    If you think the operation should not be performed on men, or rather on male infants, fine. I understand why – but please don’t pretend that they are the same kind of operation with similar consequences for both sexes. They aren’t. Saying “if it’s illegal for women, it should be illegal for men” is a flawed parallelism. It’s a bit like those feminists who try to argue that the sciences won’t be fair to women until the ratio of men to women working in them is 1:1.

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  53. on May 8, 2008 at 3:02 am tehag

    As correct as you are about this, I note that several noble houses had as the condition to marry their daughters that the husband take the wife’s (that is, his father-in-law’s) name so that the noble house might continue (e.g., Apsley Cherry-Garrard).

    tehag

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  54. on May 8, 2008 at 3:03 am Rain And

    Black liberals, for instance, tend to live nothing like their politics.

    Should be black leaders, since black guys aren’t generally all that socially liberal anyway.

    You could say something similar for “conservatism” and white leaders. Basically men use politics across the spectrum as a tool to gain power and get pussy.

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  55. on May 8, 2008 at 3:03 am jk

    I agree about the circumcision comment.
    There is absolutely no reason for boys to be circumsized nowadays.
    It is an old and barbaric procedure

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  56. on May 8, 2008 at 3:17 am Jewcano

    I think you missed a big part of the article that explains what the hell is going on:

    After months of frustration, the Los Angeles computer programmer and his ER nurse wife Diana, 29, took their problem to the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.

    SoCal is quite possibly the largest congregation of crackpots in the world. It’s what happens when you get millions of people together in a one-upmanship contest for sheer ridiculousness. After Obama’s McGovernesque disaster in this year’s elections, they’ll probably do us all a favor and secede from the Union anyway.

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  57. on May 8, 2008 at 3:27 am finefantastic

    i guess its not so bad. depending on the last name. worse things could happen- like tetanus.

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  58. on May 8, 2008 at 4:08 am Misanthrope

    The more I read about PUA game and relationships in general, the happier I’m becoming with my epsilon status while waiting for the sex-bot revolution.

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  59. on May 8, 2008 at 5:46 am raymond ellis benton IV

    That woman is HOT! With the headband and all!!

    But not to the point where I’d change my name to Raymond Ellis Bijon.

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  60. on May 8, 2008 at 5:48 am raymond ellis benton IV

    “Look how proud he is of his self-castration”

    judging by that picture, he looks rather stoic. wifey looks prouder than he does

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  61. on May 8, 2008 at 5:52 am Reggie

    #64
    DoBA, I have no idea how circumcised women smell, of course, but I don’t know where you get the idea that they are “cleaner”.

    He was doing a reductio ad absurdum by paralleling Chic Noir’s irrelevant statement that “most women think it looks better.” That is, if preferring the look of a circumcised guy is a valid reason for the male procedure, then it follows that preferring the smell of a circumcised woman is an equally valid reason for the female one.

    I’m not speaking to the disease prevention angle, mind you, since the statistics are well established there. But is that a good enough reason to countenance the procedure being done automatically? Suppose that women could reduce their risk of contracting STDs by, say, removing one nipple, which seems less risky than a clitorendectomy. Would you be accepting of this procedure being done as a routine matter of course? And of men regarding single-nippled women as looking more “normal” than those who haven’t had the procedure?

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  62. on May 8, 2008 at 6:04 am raymond ellis benton IV

    after image googling diana bijon and seeing pics of her with long(er) hair…although she obviously got a haircut, it doesnt look severe and lesbian-ish…her ‘do is pushed back with a headband, so when she takes it off, it probably flows forward in an early-Beatles moptop style. either way id do her

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  63. on May 8, 2008 at 9:55 am johnny five

    partner in a major law firm

    are you insane?

    most of these are guys who sell every hour of every day of every week of every month of every one of their energetic years to a law firm so they can make the big bucks later – and, in 95% of cases, the reason they’re in law is because they’re too un-worldly-wise to make it in business, too stupid or anti-scientifically minded to get into medical school, and too lacking in creativity to do basically anything else.

    BIGLAW is where you go if you want to make lots of money but have no interests or passions that could possibly become profitable. law selects for a certain type: beta, beta, beta. the type of beta who likes to argue stupid little nitpicky points endlessly to derive a smug sense of superiority, because he will never derive that superiority anywhere else in life. big firm law especially is the revenge of the dorky white kid who always got beat up on the playground.

    alpha? please.
    * the only way most of those guys could ever get a woman is through matrimony, in which she’ll marinate for just long enough to ensure a nice divorce settlement.
    * and the only way in which they’re leaders of men is in the petty sense, where they gleefully dump the catharsis of their own 10+ years of frustration onto the new crop of associates.

    —

    reggie, your list is pretty good, although a lot of lumberjacks are betas, like hagar the horrible but in flannel.

    —

    don’t forget longshoremen.

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  64. on May 8, 2008 at 10:02 am johnny five

    i meant stevedores, not the rank-and-file longshoremen who work under stevedores.

    especially stevedores who work in bone-chilling cold such as that in duluth, minnesota, many of whom are descended from crazy finns whose idea of fun was to have competitions centered around sticking knives through their own hands as often as possible without so much as wincing. (jaakkeli, any ancestors from oulu?)

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  65. on May 8, 2008 at 12:38 pm Jay Gatsby

    Johnny Five 76 — you seem to speak from experience about BIGLAW. I’ve been there, done that and got the t-shirt. Although you make things a bit more of a caricature than they really are, many of your points are pretty accurate.

    Coming late to the party, I honestly don’t care whether a guy keeps his name or not. People change their names all the time, sometimes to the most crackpot of names. Besides, people probably call him by his first name anyway. The concept of family name being all that important went out many years ago.

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  66. on May 8, 2008 at 1:12 pm Destroyer

    I havent read all the posts, but has anyone thought that the real factor here might be the girls father, who could be one of those guys who wants his last name passed on forever. Perhaps he is the dominant figure, more than the wife (his daughter) and forced the “beta” to make this change.

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  67. on May 8, 2008 at 4:48 pm alias clio

    Alpha-male jobs: anything that involves working with or tending to large and potentially dangerous livestock. Esp. ranchers, herders, breeders or traders of cattle and horses. These men can be some of the best, because to be good at their work they need fearlessness, authority, and some degree of gentleness too. Staring down an irritable old jersey bull takes guts (I’m told via family stories), and you aren’t allowed to hurt them if you can possibly help it because they are valuable.

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  68. on May 8, 2008 at 7:13 pm chicnoir

    jaakkeli, I think that’s a bit to far but the comment below made me go huh.

    “It is a human right not to have to sit down like a girl,” Kleppe said.

    Oh really?

    Reggie,
    “Lumberjack, crab fisherman, blacksmith”

    Those jobs don’t bring in a lot of money.

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  69. on May 8, 2008 at 7:27 pm chicnoir

    Days of Broken Arrows
    Both sexes care about what the other think. Why do you think so many women get breast and butt implants?

    Female circumsion is not like male circumsion and you know it.

    Rain And said:

    “Black liberals, for instance, tend to live nothing like their politics”

    Oh really, how many do you know. One man’s quote speak for the whole group.

    Ok guys, my statement about most women think it looks better was meant to convey that many women are turned off by the site of an u.ncut. All I was trying to say is you may have more women “back out of the deal” after seeing your pig in a blanket.

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  70. on May 8, 2008 at 7:51 pm T.

    VERY rarely will a woman back out of the deal once genitals have been exposed in the heat of passion, regardless of the circumcisal status of the phallus.

    I agree, one of my best friends is uncut and that guy got poon by the pound for as long as I’ve known him.

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  71. on May 8, 2008 at 7:59 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “VERY rarely will a woman back out of the deal once genitals have been exposed in the heat of passion, regardless of the circumcisal status of the phallus.”

    ANd if they did, a real man would just say “Eff you, there’s the door.” There’s always another one somewhere. By the way, I know a girl who once asked a guy to whip it out just because he was uncut and she wanted to see it. Fun ensued, needless to say.

    All that said, men should have the right to decide whether they are cut or uncut. My body my choice and all that. These decision should not be made by ignorant parents (now there is a redunancy) or especially by any female.

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  72. on May 8, 2008 at 8:01 pm SD

    I have a friend who not only kept her husband’s name after she got divorced, but continues to use the ex-husband’s name after she’s remarried. Harsh.

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  73. on May 8, 2008 at 8:01 pm PA

    He may or may not be a Beta, but he doesn’t strike me as a mere Herb.

    Taking on his wife’s name comes across as a Whiterpeople status one-up, rather than an acquiascence to her will.

    He’s just too much into the whole thing. The ACLU, the press conferences. This is a fanatical leftie smashing an icon, looking at his victory with the grim satisfaction of People’s Commisar.

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  74. on May 8, 2008 at 8:22 pm mq

    Bitchy anxiety-ridden gossip about who is “alpha” and who is “beta” is beta. Especially on a blog.

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  75. on May 8, 2008 at 8:41 pm Jack

    So wait, Biglaw associates can’t get pussy??

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  76. on May 8, 2008 at 9:18 pm DF

    Jack:”So wait, Biglaw associates can’t get pussy??”

    Yes, its called “hiring an escort service.”

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  77. on May 8, 2008 at 9:40 pm chicnoir

    All that said, men should have the right to decide whether they are cut or uncut.

    Days of Broken Arrows

    point taken.

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  78. on May 8, 2008 at 10:16 pm Jack

    Come on now, the Biglaw hours are bad but I think people are overstating it a bit. And you are making that bank.

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  79. on May 8, 2008 at 10:32 pm PA

    the beta means overwhelmed the alpha end, resulting in a net gain of betatude for this dude.

    I agree with you mathematically. His act was objectively a step toward Beta.

    The thing is, neither he nor his peer group see it that way, so in that circle he’s a super-Alpha.

    He reminds me a bit of that Michael Newdow character who crusaded to ger “under God” removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.

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  80. on May 8, 2008 at 10:33 pm mq

    Everybody knows lawyers are annoying. Male lawyers too. Doctors tend to be much more natural leader types. And if they aren’t, they often learn to be. Surgeons are the fighter pilots of the yuppie professional class.

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  81. on May 8, 2008 at 11:39 pm chicnoir

    How do the men on this site feel about polygamy?

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  82. on May 8, 2008 at 11:55 pm PA

    Polygamy is a barbaric custom that also has two structural flaws: surplus males and intra-family rivalries.

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  83. on May 9, 2008 at 1:14 am Steve Lurkel

    @83

    “Those jobs (lumberjack, crab fisherman, blacksmith) don’t bring in a lot of money.”

    but they do get respect from other guys (rich and poor) because of the difficult and dangerous nature of their job…especially in this post-materialist age where most of us (in the west) are far removed from such labor (see also: Male Archetypes.)

    Now if respect isn’t part of the “Alpha Equation” then I don’t know what is.

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  84. on May 9, 2008 at 1:25 am chicnoir

    Steve Lurkel

    “but they do get respect from other guys (rich and poor) because of the difficult and dangerous nature of their job”

    Thanks Steve, now it makes since.

    The move from labor intensive jobs is also a big part of the reason so many of us have weight problems and diabetes.

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  85. on May 9, 2008 at 1:26 am mq

    I saw an Oprah show the other day and they had a polygamous family on there — with three *smoking hot* wives and a half a dozen kids. Not like those battleaxe-looking ugly polygamous wives you usually see. They were really stylish. All sitting around thoughtfully talking about how they managed their time to best support their husband and avoid rivalry with each other. It was kind of amazing, made a guy dream.

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  86. on May 9, 2008 at 1:46 am David Alexander

    with three *smoking hot* wives and a half a dozen kids…They were really stylish.

    I suspect that Oprah’s stylists and makeup artists played a role in making them look *smoking hot*. Even the ugly commoner types look “decent” on her Harpo produced shows.

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  87. on May 9, 2008 at 4:12 am Bill

    #77: “BIGLAW is where you go if you want to make lots of money but have no interests or passions that could possibly become profitable. law selects for a certain type: beta, beta, beta. the type of beta who likes to argue stupid little nitpicky points endlessly to derive a smug sense of superiority, because he will never derive that superiority anywhere else in life.”
    this is arguably one of the greatest things I have ever read. I might just go whack my bag after reading this. Johnny Five: RESPECT.

    #87 DoBA: first of all, please, let’s tone down the pottymouth. “Eff you” is a little vulgar for this forum.

    also, most male babies are circumcised at infancy. I don’t think most are equipped to make the kind of decision you think they should make at that stage. me thinks they haven’t had time yet to ponder all the arguments. and personally, as someone who was circumcised as an infant, I’m glad that decision was made for me at that age. it might’ve proved too harrowing a decision to make later in life. besides, not circumcising your baby out of respect for what his future beliefs might well be later in life just reeks of betaness to me. you’re my kid, you’re getting chopped. end of debate…or at least for 15 years, after which point the kid can have plastic surgery if he feels he’s been wronged by losing the foreskin he never remembers having.

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  88. on May 9, 2008 at 5:07 am sestamibi

    #87 DoBA: first of all, please, let’s tone down the pottymouth. “Eff you” is a little vulgar for this forum.

    Are you SERIOUS???!!!?!?!?

    Read the contents of the blog!!!!!

    Geez, what a major league FA!!

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  89. on May 9, 2008 at 6:02 am Bill

    106: I was being “ironical”. I guess it was lost on you. oh well, you can’t win ’em all!

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  90. on May 9, 2008 at 10:33 am SFG

    Yeah, it is pretty beta. Though I wouldn’t rule out a bit of the daddy drama too. People do things for funny reasons.

    I suppose if I were marrying a Kennedy (now that’s awful likely) I might consider, but none of the people who matter (ie her extended family) would be fooled.

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  91. on May 9, 2008 at 2:30 pm Peter

    You think this story is disturbing? I’ve got something far, far worse. Via What Would Tyler Durden Do, here is a picture (NSFW) of Playboy’s newest Playmate of the Year. I recoiled in horror – horror! – at the sight. There is no hope for our society, none whatsoever.

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  92. on May 9, 2008 at 2:38 pm Ironman

    Circumcision is a very American costume, imposed by jewish doctors in the past. Outside of the US and Israel, a men’s foreskin is not cut. There is no reason to do so. In Europe some women will freak out if there is no foreskin on your head. Why would somebody cut off a protective skin?

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  93. on May 9, 2008 at 4:00 pm du jour

    109 Peter

    I wish you hadn’t done that.

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  94. on May 9, 2008 at 5:10 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “How do the men on this site feel about polygamy?”

    I think people like to think they’re “above” that mormon cult in the news, but the fact is, some level of polygamy goes on in mainstream culture. We just don’t call it that. Examples:

    The white guy who trades in wife after wife

    The woman who has affairs with only married men

    The woman who has kids from a guy who is married

    The inner city guys who have kids with many different women

    And finally” Barbara Walters who thought she was “liberated” by dating that married senator for over a decade, but in essence was on the level of a Mormon wife, devoted to a man with another woman (or perhaps more).

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  95. on May 9, 2008 at 5:12 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    #105.

    Bill you are factually wrong. Less than 50 pecetn of male babies are now circumcized. The number dropped from 80 percent in the 1970s. The AMA now recommends against it — and leading doctors are vocal about this.

    The only person who has vocally been for it is Dr. Laura. She claims its anti-semitic if you don’t chop the penis of you male offspring.

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  96. on May 9, 2008 at 9:26 pm SFG

    Circumcision does decrease the rate of cervical cancer; the whole bit was only discovered when doctors were trying to figure out why Jewish women got less cervical cancer.

    Of course since men can’t get cervical cancer it would arguably be more alpha not to circumcise your son.

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  97. on May 9, 2008 at 10:43 pm chicnoir

    Days of Broken Arrows

    I agree with you. Even someone like Spritzer is in a polygamous relationship if he was seeing the same girl murltiple times.

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  98. on May 10, 2008 at 2:09 am termagent

    87 DOBA “These decision should not be made by ignorant parents (now there is a redunancy) or especially by any female.”

    Waiting till you’re older is like chicken pox’ not recommended. I must not be quite as ignorant as most females you know because I wouldn’t have allowed my daughter circumcised had she been a he, though my husband would have protested I’m sure. Glad we didn’t have to have that battle, because I would not have backed down.

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  99. on May 10, 2008 at 2:21 am Bill

    113 DoBA:
    What I meant to say is that most babies who are circumcised are circumcised at birth. that, I believe, it still factually accurate. if you say otherwise, I’m prone not to believe you since, after all, 75% of statistics are made up on the spot.

    btw, what does your name mean?

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  100. on May 10, 2008 at 2:54 am Gannon

    “were trying to figure out why Jewish women got less cervical cancer.”

    or maybe there are just less sluttier.

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  101. on May 10, 2008 at 3:15 am Days of Broken Arrows

    #118

    Gannon — Stats say Jews have more sexual partners on average than other Americans, so I wouldn’t think that. Also, an inordinate number of porn performers and producers are Jewish.

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  102. on May 10, 2008 at 3:22 am Gannon

    I don’t know man. In any case, I would say that Jewish women have higher standards and screen more males out than the average white woman. By the way, instincts would tell that black women are the most promiscious and start their sex lifes the earliest, so they should have the highest amount of cervical cancer. Stats anyone?

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  103. on May 10, 2008 at 3:34 am jk

    As far as I can remember they think (one of) the causes of cervial cancer is the build up of smegma (don’t you just love that word!) under the foreskin of an uncircumcised male.

    Simply teaching your son good hygiene (i.e. how to clean the one eyed trouser snake) removes that problem.

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  104. on May 10, 2008 at 3:42 am Days of Broken Arrows

    “In any case, I would say that Jewish women have higher standards and screen more males out than the average white woman.”

    It’s a different screening process, and difficult to explain to someone outside the US. They do tend to value brain over brawn which is why I advice Betas to go for Jewish women on this board (to deafening silence).

    Had someone told me all this when I was 18 instead of me having to learn it myself later, life would have been much easier. You younger guys don’t know how valuable a service blogs are.

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  105. on May 10, 2008 at 5:47 am David Alexander

    They do tend to value brain over brawn which is why I advice Betas to go for Jewish women on this board (to deafening silence).

    Danger, danger, danger.

    Jewish women have a stereotype for being obsessed with money and status, so they’ll only date beta males who have the potential of high-income. It allegedly explains why many non-religious Jewish males in New York Metro will frequently date outside of the “tribe”.

    By the way, instincts would tell that black women are the most promiscious and start their sex lifes the earliest, so they should have the highest amount of cervical cancer.

    One of the interesting facts that one learns when a loved one has a hematological cancer is that those of African descent tend to have weaker immune systems than whites and Asians. I suspect that may play a role in terms of infection rates of various STDs and by extension, cervical cancer which is caused from a virus.

    BTW, if blacks are so promiscuous, why am I still sexless, and why have no black women offered sex to me…

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  106. on May 10, 2008 at 12:47 pm Gannon

    “BTW, if blacks are so promiscuous, why am I still sexless, and why have no black women offered sex to me…”

    Because you have to approach the women. Women like to show of their goods, but then they passively wait for men to approach them. Very few women activevley chase men. They only send signals that they are interested. Iy you don’t chase the pussy and harras a lot of females, you won’t get any sex. You are decent looking by the way, so it’s up to you.
    By the way, the destruction of the family unit is feminisms fault, not mine. The modern black family shows the feminist family. A woman with children fathered by differet men, where stepfathers continuously move in and out, and males have no commitment to their children. That’s matriarchy in reality. Whites have good inmune systems against the flu, but I’m not sure you can extend that to cancer. Whites definitively manage alcohol, suggar and fat better than any other race. Idians and Asians get alcohlic and diabetic very fast if they start to consume western amounts of alcohol and sugar, and also suffer heart attacks much more than whites. Blacks have higher tolerance to alcohol, fat and suggar, but not as much as whites.

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  107. on May 10, 2008 at 9:04 pm David Alexander

    Iy you don’t chase the pussy and harras a lot of females, you won’t get any sex.

    I don’t believe in harassing women, so no sex for me! 🙂

    The modern black family shows the feminist family.

    Allegedly, from what I’ve read in my friend’s anthropology texts, it seems that white and Asian women trade sex for resources while Black women trade sex for access to sperm. With food being relatively easy to come by in Africa due to the lack of a winter season, black women had no need for men to provide resources, while their counterparts in Asia and Europe had needed men to protect them from winter.

    If you extend this to the modern world, it appears that in the ghetto, unemployed poor black men are essentially being subsidized by their employed female counterparts.

    BTW, teen pregnancy rates have dropped according to some sociologists because of increasing sentencing for criminals. In other words, twenty-something men were no longer having sex and impregnating teenage women.

    A woman with children fathered by differet men, where stepfathers continuously move in and out, and males have no commitment to their children.

    The proper term is “biological” father. In many cases, the fathers have no relationship with their children and play no active role. The mothers have “boyfriends” (and future fathers) who really aren’t good fathers to any of their children. Interestingly, poor black people talk of marriage as an aspiration, but nobody seems to view each other as marriage material.

    Whites have good inmune systems against the flu, but I’m not sure you can extend that to cancer.

    Some cancers, like cervical cancer, are caused by viruses, so I hypothesize that a weaker immune system will leave black women more at risk to cervical cancer (or other virus-induced cancers) when compared to their white counterparts.

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  108. on May 10, 2008 at 10:52 pm Gannon

    Some people say that once there was a functional African American family, somewhere around the civil war until the sixties, when the Christian family was replaced by the matriarchy.

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  109. on May 10, 2008 at 11:28 pm Brutus

    120 Gannon-my college was about 40% Jewish, and those minxy little Jewesses loved up the gentile boys with a vengence. Quite a few of my sexual first were with Jewish girls.

    A rich girl from Philly explained it to me after a particularly good schtup-a-thon. “If I want daddy’s money, I’ll have to marry some schmuck lawyer named Mortie, so I’m having as much fun as possible now!”

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  110. on May 10, 2008 at 11:48 pm David Alexander

    Some people say that once there was a functional African American family, somewhere around the civil war until the sixties, when the Christian family was replaced by the matriarchy.

    I’ve never bought the argument that slavery destroyed families argument due to the low rates of paternal abandonment during that period. Black families can be called “feminist” due to the fact that most black women have worked outside of the home and without such labour, the families would have been considerably poorer. What shifted was the slow turn of black men from providers in their families into irrelevant faceless male figures. My pet theory has been the decline of black urban labour due to de-industrialization for urban black males. In effect, black women have come to see their men as only useful as sex partners and nothing else, and the men have nothing to offer in terms of employment or other marriageable traits to women. Sex will always be pleasurable, and children will be born at some point or another, but marriage only works if both partners have something to offer.

    BTW, this is all in addition to bizzarely crafted welfare rules that penalized married couples for various forms of public assistance, and paid mothers for additional kids which ended up turning some women into breeding mills who abused and mistreated their children.

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  111. on May 11, 2008 at 9:20 am costner

    “I advice Betas to go for Jewish women on this board…”

    One thing though – you can’t always tell by looking (or by names) who is Jewish and who isn’t.

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  112. on May 11, 2008 at 3:03 pm mq

    Off Jewish women and back to the topic of the post…you know, the bottom line is that marriage is beta. It’s ridiculous to look at the whole package — being monogamous to one woman forever, staying with her and taking care of her even after she gets old, sticking around to help her take care of the kids, putting up with all her concerns and so forth without regularly threatening to leave in order to keep her constantly insecure, owing her support if you do leave — and then make a big fuss about who takes what name. Marriage is so irredeemably beta, such a situation of enslavement for a true stud, that this post is just making a fuss about the color of the paint on the prison walls.

    You can take that as showing the ridiculousness of marriage or the ridiculousness of the PUA attitude, up to you.

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  113. on May 11, 2008 at 3:43 pm Jack

    Brutus, that “schmuck lawyer” (or any guy for that matter) should be very careful before marrying a golddigging slut like that rich Jewish girl from Philly. Guys, make sure you have some idea what your girl was like before she met you. Because no one ever really changes.

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  114. on May 11, 2008 at 4:45 pm Joe T.

    “Gannon — Stats say Jews have more sexual partners on average than other Americans, so I wouldn’t think that. Also, an inordinate number of porn performers and producers are Jewish.”

    To DOBA at 119: What stats say that? Never saw that before. Reference?

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  115. on May 11, 2008 at 6:27 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    133 — Joe T.

    I had gotten that info from a census chart — I think from 2000 — when I was doing some research back in 2005. I’ve never been able to find it again (it was a pdf buried somewhere) but you’re the second person who requested it, so I’ll look…

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  116. on May 11, 2008 at 6:52 pm David Alexander

    Put verbal intelligence and argumentativeness in a woman and you get someone who is going to give you a hard time.

    If you’re the kind of guy who likes a challenge in smart and intelligent women (or being whipped around), then chasing a Jewish female may be worth it. Hell, the kids pick up the high IQ, and you’ll be included into de facto secretive and closed club that only the most elite can join.

    There’s actually a book for gentile girls on how to pick up Jewish guys…

    If the gentile women are looting Jewish men, who is left to marry the Jewish women? Gentile men seem to view the women as short-term at best due to the nasty stereotypes of Jewish women being bossy, annoying, overly demanding, status-seeking, and money-hungry.
    OTOH, the Jewish women that I’ve seen tend to have larger tits and ass on average when compared to their white gentile counterparts…

    Of course, I wonder if there are any long-term effects to the community. Do the children of these mixed Jewish male-Gentile female marriages identify as Jewish?

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  117. on May 12, 2008 at 6:11 pm termagent

    Jewish people are some of the smartest, wisest people in the world, but guilt for the killing of Jesus has made them highly neurotic.

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  118. on May 12, 2008 at 10:23 pm chicnoir

    DA is back!

    *big smile*

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  119. on May 12, 2008 at 10:33 pm chicnoir

    “By the way, instincts would tell that black women are the most promiscious and start their sex lifes the earliest, so they should have the highest amount of cervical cancer. Stats anyone”

    Gannon this is the very old jezebell sterotype. You can find lose men & women among any group of people. When I see those out of control teens and baby daddy shows I see a mixed group of folks.

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  120. on May 13, 2008 at 12:41 am termagent

    Jews have only made one mistake, and that was killing Jesus. Not only did they kill one of their own, but they also missed out on one of the greatest business opportunities of all time. And to add insult to injury; the goddamned Italians got it instead.

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  121. on August 19, 2010 at 8:23 am Working With Girls « Misadventures of Vincent Ignatius

    […] Note all of these and then have private talks with other male colleagues.  Unless they’re manginas, you can get them to stop complying with these requests as well.  If she cries, so what?  Girls […]

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