A fine writer I would want to sit down with for a few stiff drinks in a shady smoke-filled South Asian bar is Fred Reed. His website is blocked by my company’s firewall as hate speech, so you know he can’t be all that bad. He wrote recently about his trip to Bangkok:
—I got here two nights ago, out of Taipei into Bangkok’s new airport, Savannapun. It’s huge, well-designed, classy. As always when I come to these parts I think, “Holy rikshas, Batman, this place is on a roll.” Just so. There is a dynamism in much of Asia that you don’t see in Latin America. Below the Rio Grande you find a couple of modern countries, Argentina and Chile for example—almost the only examples. Yet the whole region seems stagnant, as if it already is what it is going to be. Not here. Asia rocks. Peoria hasn’t noticed but, I promise, it will, and that before long.
Fred, no beta he, has come to the conclusion, like the growing chorus of American men who have spent time overseas, that American women don’t measure up to the international competition.
By night the clubs abound in sleek lovely Thai girls preying on the gringos. Or the other way around: It isn’t always clear. They are so very pretty and make Western women look like camels by comparison—this being the universal view of Caucasian men here. […]
I mentioned Thai women. Despite the sordid reputation arising from the sex industry, Thai women are no looser than any others, and in fact most of them aren’t accessible at all to westerners who don’t speak Thai. To a close approximation, this means no westerners. But the Thai women are, well, ladies. By this I mean not that they went to finishing school, but rather that you can distinguish them from drunken sailors or abandoned mattresses. They are not crass. They dress well. They seem to regard themselves as women, not as wannabe men, and even to think that being a woman is a good thing. Thank god.
This could equally be said of Mexican women of Chinese women, of most women everywhere, except North America.
He, like myself and a lot of my friends who do well with the ladies, wonders if his negative reaction to American women is a personal hang-up.
Now, if I were the only man who took a very dim view of American women, it would be reasonable to dismiss me as a crank. In fact it would be unreasonable not to. It becomes more interesting when the judgement is nearly universal among large numbers of men—and it is.
Everywhere I go outside of the US, the American men I meet speak of their horror of sexless, hostile, ill-bred American women. Sure, there are exceptions and degrees among the gringas. Most unfortunately, exceptions is what they are. The delight with feminine foreign women is given, over and over, as a major reason for expatriation. (The other big reason is disgust with governmental regulation of everything in the US.) I have friends married to Thai, Filipina, Chinese, and Mexican wives, all delighted. Me too.
How did this come about? I don’t know, but I’m not imagining it.
Nope, it’s not us. American women really have changed for the worse. The verdict is in. Pump and dump them and find your wife in another land where women are happy to be women.
Unlike Fred, I have written before about the cultural changes that have transmogrified our women into she-devils. I offered alternatives here. Most men will not travel to other countries to taste the honey-dipped sweetness of what they could have; they will stay comfortably rooted to their miserable lives not realizing how easy it would be for them to step away from American women into a paradise of feminine delights. Most people don’t even leave the small towns they grew up in, let alone their country of birth.
Personally, I have done well with American chicks and not all of them were jaded afeminine ballcutters (some were in fact quite sweet), but seducing and loving them required a level of game and cynicism that would baffle men in other parts of the world. They may very well ask me: “All that for an American camel?”
I suspect if I spent a decent amount of time in the Eastern European country of my choosing learning their language and customs, my superior training dealing with American women would give me a huge leg up attracting foreign girls.
privet!
As you might imagine many American women feel the same way about American men. Perhaps it’s more common that Americans are pairing up with foreigners in general. Who knows? Who cares? LOL No doubt the generalizations and stereotyping comments will start pouring in. We are individuals in reality, but in blog land, fantasy and speculation abound.
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The day that the average girl decided to brag about how much she could drink was the day that femininity died in America.
And there is no doubt that feminism had a huge role in this. (“Anything a guy can do, a girl can do [if not better].”)
But I also find that idiotic men have played a role in this. Think of how many TV shows and movies show men going for girls that drink hard, watch sports, tell rude jokes and burp.
So many young men often talk about “cool” girls. Often, these are girls who drink and watch sports.
Also, something that rarely gets mentioned is the role that school sports play in this. Think of how many girls are encouraged to do something competitive like play soccer or softball.
Think of how much we talked about and celebrated the American Womens soccer team. In Europe, where soccer is religion, almost no girls take up the sport.
Lastly, it is often difficult for a girl to be feminine as she gets fatter. She doesn’t like to wear skirts, heels and doesn’t like sleeveless blouses. Also, she will likely go with shorter hair to reduce her overall size.
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Sara, the average American man would be happy with almost any average non-American girl.
W. Europe? Fine
E. Europe? Fine
N Asia? Fine
SE Asia? Fine
South America/Central America? Fine
Africa? Uh, not so much.
The average American girl and her thoughts about these different places?
W Europe? Yes, like the ones in the movies.
E. Europe? Nope
N Asia? Hell No
SE Asia? Hell No
South America/Central America? Nope
Africa? Uh, not so much.
When the average American girl thinks of European men, she thinks of eating croissants in Paris and drinking espresso in Rome.
She does not think of some racist soccer fan in Lyon or the typical mama’s boy in Naples.
The average American man sees the average non-American girl and thinks, “Where is her belly and why is she not sweating?”.
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Wow, it’s great you’re a Fred Reed fan too. I usually read him for his political stuff, so it’s good to see him quoted here.
He makes excellent points. I think the fact that he’s blocked as “hate speech” at a workplace is a good example of what’s wrong with this country. For all the shouting about free speech done by the fat-ass-Sam’s-Club crowd, most people don’t really want free speech.
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Usually Lurking, I was a teenager in the late 1970s, possibly in the first group of women who were encouraged to be as man-like as possible from an early age. Most young men at the time appeared to enjoy women who acted like men, and find them sexy. Women cursing, boasting of their alcohol intake, and living in denim – these seemed new and desirable to men at the time. (I say this as one who mostly refused to adopt the new manners, and was excluded for it.) Perhaps it was the charm of the unexpected – who knows? And perhaps it was because the hint of the chance of easier sex from such women made up for their lack of more traditional femininity.
What with the encouragement of men and the media (think of Cameron Diaz in – what was it – Something About Mary?), is it surprising that most women decided this was the way to go? At any rate, I refuse to accept that the change was entirely the fault of women or even feminism. Men, the New American Woman is your baby, too.
After all, most North American women don’t want to alienate men or drive them away.
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For anyone’s who’s really ever travelled the world, the question (today) is asked, “why would anyone want to date an America man? They’re lazy, get high too much, and think they piss gold.” Most Swedish/Australian/etc. women don’t need the “security net” of our devalued dollar anymore, so they’re apt to question the value of an American. The fact is, if you’re top-shelf in America, you’re gonna be top-shelf in Norway, England, Czech Republic, Australia, or anywhere else. If you’re not, well, work on it…
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Ha, thanks for recognizing that Argentina is not a shithole. Argentina, Uruguay and Chile are really different from the rest of Southamerica. Much loathed Brazil has a few highly developed areas, but in the end most parts of the country are dirt poor.
I have lived in many countries, and the US is the country were it was the most difficult to get sex from a cute girl without paying cash (getting sex in the US by itself is not difficult, but you will most likely get if from a fat piggish woman with an acne destroyed horseface).
US women’s main problems:
1. 50% percent of American women are so fat that they are essentialy unfuckeable. And this comes from a guy who tries to look for beauty in every woman he meets, who has slept happily with 5s and 6s and even likes chubby girls (24-28 BMI)
2. A lot of US women, specially at their salad years (16-26) only date men 5 years older than them, and sometimes even only 3 years older than them. In Argentina, a 30 year old guy has ZERO problem getting a 19 year old gal, whereas in the US most girls that age will consider him an old fart. A 30 year old man isn’t looking for a 30 year old wife in the rest of the world.
Termagent is completely wrong by the way: a lot of women dream of American men, men who will cook, men who won’t get drunk every weekend and beat them, men who won’t simply abandon them and never pay a cent to her and their children again.
What I don’t really understand is this craziness over Asian females: I simply don’t like their faces, too flat like a plate. My main sexual preference is for white, semitic and latina girls. The daugthers of white men with east asian women tend to look pretty good though. Sorry Hope.
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Most young men at the time appeared to enjoy women who acted like men, and find them sexy.
I believe you.
And perhaps it was because the hint of the chance of easier sex from such women made up for their lack of more traditional femininity.
That is an interesting point.
At any rate, I refuse to accept that the change was entirely the fault of women or even feminism.
I did not say it was ENTIRELY the fault of feminism. But, take a look inside your average lingerie store and your average NOW meeting and judge the level of femininity.
The difference will be stark.
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They’re lazy, get high too much…
Kasey, you do realize that America still has the most old-fashioned views on, say, marijuana relative to, basically, every other “Euro” nation (including Canada).
And, lazy? We work more hours than any other nation save Japan. And we are more productive than any other nation, save nobody.
Our economy goes up, Europes goes up. Ours goes down, there economy goes down.
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Awesome. I’m not the only one who believes American girls/women are for practice.
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I have made this comment consistently and most recently on Roosh’s blog. American women are just not worth committing to if you’re a guy that has his shit together. Any high value man must be out of his mind to invest in an American girl for the long haul. Most serve only two purposes, social proof if she’s attractive, and pump and dump. That is all.
This post is also uncanny. A friend of my girlfriend’s asked me last week to set up one of her girlfriends an American, with any single guys I know. Since my girlfriend is Brazilian and most of her friends are Latin, the moment she told me she was an American that attended a posh boarding school in the northeast with my gf’s friend, I resisted the request. I’m not in the matchmaking business but I’ll give anyone the benefit of the doubt so I told her to bring the girl out to chill with a group of us to get a sense of what she was like this past weekend. Unsurprisingly, she was not only unattractive, I’d say maybe a 6 tops but downright obnoxious. The daughter of a wealthy family that moved overseas, she was living on a teacher’s salary in a luxury apartment in Manhattan so you can add spoiled to the core as one of her fine personality traits. Even in the presence of her own girlfriends the chick was cold and aloof. Archetypical Manhattan American girl.
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“Sara, the average American man would be happy with almost any average non-American girl.”
Key word “average”. Most average people are not often happy period no matter the circumstances, though they may have moments of happiness and by and large if smarter than average are working on their issues and problems. If not, they will invariable sink into “less than average” and make their own and others lives miserable. Black, white, orange, male, female, young, old, rich, poor, religious, American, UnAmerican, non-religious, bi, straight, or homo makes no difference.
I imagine most will be hot and heavy on this subject today.
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Sara, you are agreeing with me by contradicting what I wrote?
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13 U.L.
Not really.
Sara
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The first year of college really corrupts girls here. If they pick up woolly-headed feminist ideas, this is when it begins. The trait Openness to Experience peaks during the college years, so it’s true that college students are more susceptible to taking silly ideas seriously. High schoolers — not really.
Then there is the isolated-from-authority aspect. It’s not like in other countries where the kids live at home through college, so there are no parents around to keep them in line. And obviously the colleges cannot or don’t want to whip them into shape either.
Some American girls start drinking early, but it’s really the senior year of high school and freshman year of college where they start bragging and joking about how much they drink, cursing like sailors, and so on. Peer influences are bad enough in high school, but they’re even worse in college, where you don’t have as many plausible excuses for backing away from debauchery.
Granted, in the big picture, college girls here are still pretty nice compared to the drunken sailor types you find at bars and clubs that cater to late 20-somethings. Still, we need to do something about the typical campus life that most Americans go through.
As for now, when I meet a girl in a club or during the day, I listen for three magic words to tell if a she is likely to be sweet and uncorrupted: when you suggest hanging out on a Monday – Thursday evening, she bashfully replies, “I have school…”
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50% percent of American women are so fat that they are essentialy unfuckeable.
Regional experience can vary, but the increasing fatness of American women is great for guys who like chubby white women with fat asses. It means that the beautiful and attractive white girls have a slight increase in breast cup size and now have asses worth grabbing. 🙂
Besides, I’ve noted that a ugly fat girl doesn’t magically become a pretty skinny girl in some cases. Wellesley Queen lost weight during her junior year, and she attracted more men, but she became *less* attractive to me.
A lot of US women, specially at their salad years (16-26) only date men 5 years older than them, and sometimes even only 3 years older than them.
As I said, I don’t think you can instinctively blame feminism. My anecdotal evidence seems to point towards the most feminist female friends are the ones who had no problems dating older men.
I still suspect that the nature of American long-term relationships being based around friendships creates a mental impediment towards dating older men since it can create generational gaps. Yes, younger women are attractive, but they have a certain degree of immaturity that I don’t find enduring. Hell, my neice and nephew make me feel old…
a lot of women dream of American men
When you hear that American men are active in the lives of their families, most foreign women in rather patriarchal countries would easily dump their local husbands for American men.
What I don’t really understand is this craziness over Asian females: I simply don’t like their faces, too flat like a plate. My main sexual preference is for white, semitic and latina girls.
Oddly, I’ll agree with you here. I don’t find find most Northrast Asian women attractive, but I will periodically find Filipinas attractive. In contrast, while I find some light-skinned/mixed race (and a few dark skinned) Caribbean women attractive, my brother finds all black women unattractive, and he craves an Asian woman for his wife.
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she is likely to be sweet and uncorrupted
Sweet and uncorrupted women aren’t sexy. I’ll take an corrupted dirty girl who can actually orgasm…
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There’s a huge difference between women who like to play sports and keep in shape and those who “act like men”.
Funny that a lot of the commentary here is about fat American women, but denigrates behaviors that would help minimize that. I guess malnourished is preferable to conditioned!
Me, I’d rather perform unnatural acts on Jenny Finch than just about any foreign chick you can name (OK, Maria Sharapova is in), and not just because I can pretty much be assured that she’s carrying most of her hair from the neck up!
Of course, it’s all about personal preference, and we’re talking about 2 freaks of feminine physicality, Finch at 6’1″ and Sharapova at 6’2″. I’d love to get after Serena Williams, too, a strong, packed 5’9″ and 150 lbs. with breasts requiring 2 sports bras to keep the girls under control! One of my favorite women in college was a woman from the crew team that was extremely strong; having her wrap her legs around you was not for the fainthearted. Some of this fear of strong, athletic women comes from weenie boys-stop being afraid and hit the gym.
Lurking, time to climb out of your time warp/cocoon. The German frauleins won the last World Cup (aided by a mulatto half-Yank cow on the back line (must have gotten that plus-sized ass from her GI father), and the Brazilian women kicked Yank ass 4-0 in the tournement. And your list concerning the desirability of American/Non-American men and women makes some sense, because the average American man will fuck anything concave, including the Africans.
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“The day that the average girl decided to brag about how much she could drink was the day that femininity died in America.”
LOL! I can’t stand those types.
“But I also find that idiotic men have played a role in this. Think of how many TV shows and movies show men going for girls that drink hard, watch sports, tell rude jokes and burp.
So many young men often talk about “cool” girls. Often, these are girls who drink and watch sports.”
I never understood why lots of guys want a girl who acts like a guy; basically a dude with a vagina.
Me, I prefer girls who look and act like girls, as annoying as that can sometimes be.
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“Oddly, I’ll agree with you here. I don’t find find most Northrast Asian women attractive, but I will periodically find Filipinas attractive. In contrast, while I find some light-skinned/mixed race (and a few dark skinned) Caribbean women attractive, my brother finds all black women unattractive, and he craves an Asian woman for his wife.”
yeah, Japanese girls are probably the most attractive of that bunch, but I can’t really understand the yello fever phenomen. Really white, persian, latina or jewish girls for me please. Jewish girls have nice big thights and bottoms.
Your brother is black, right DA? That’s a pretty strong statement for a black guy.
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I am not surprised that Fred’s column concludes that his dim view of American women “is nearly universal among large numbers of men” or that he writes that
“Everywhere I go outside of the US, the American men I meet speak of their horror of sexless, hostile, ill-bred American women. …. The delight with feminine foreign women is given, over and over, as a major reason for expatriation. …. I have friends married to Thai, Filipina, Chinese, and Mexican wives, all delighted. Me too.” Fred’s column is a good read: http://www.fredoneverything.net/Bangkok2.shtml
Fred’s sample is skewed because he is asking the guys at the ball park if they like the game of baseball or to be more pointed, asking guys in strip clubs if they like it that the women all seem to want to give lap dances for money. I have lived overseas and know plenty of expat men/foreign women relationships. There are plenty of feminine foreigners available in countries that traditionally have fewer opportunities for women and more clearly defined roles. These men are happy because they have good/great experiences, living abroad remaining Forever Alpha to their women. Such women are the holy grail for Alphas and even self-aware Betas. In fact, it was the betas I worked with overseas that were most awed by what comes with the expat relationship. It may be old for you alphas, but it was new stuff for us betas (and we did not even have to work for it!!).
But there is a flip side to this arrangement. These relationships are about “power” and “opportunity” which both the women and men used to get what they wanted, needed and liked. After settling into these roles, as new experiences and opportunities presented themselves, sometimes these relationships fell apart or shifted to one that looks a lot like the relationships with American women that Roissy’s gang loathes.
So find your feminine “polish/thai/filipina/chinese/mexican” woman; forever serving, hot and pleasing. Just don’t ever let her learn that women with her skills are in high demand in the United States. She just may use her new found status and exercise a little supply and demand economics on your ass as she walks out the door. Heaven help you if you find a hot and smart one … it can be tough to keep up with them when they get going.
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Funny that a lot of the commentary here is about fat American women, but denigrates behaviors that would help minimize that. I guess malnourished is preferable to conditioned!
Brutus, what I am seeing is this:
Of the girls that do not play any sports, yes, they are more likely to be overweight in high school. However, even for the girls that do play sports, well, they continue to eat in the same fashion that they did in their “soccer days” but are not burning as many calories. Well, more specifically, they enter college, leave soccer behind, drink a lot more alcohol and start getting weird eating habits to try to deal with these changes. The result is what you see around you.
Also, I couldn’t care less about how the American women did in soccer, I was making a point as to how interested we were relative to say, the French or Spanish.
Agnostic, how interested were the Spanish, in general, to female sports?
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I never understood why lots of guys want a girl who acts like a guy; basically a dude with a vagina.
I suspect it makes being around her more tolerable. If you complain about your high maintenance girlfriend’s conversation topics as being too boring and female, then girls like this are the alternative.
Your brother is black, right DA? That’s a pretty strong statement for a black guy.
Of course. Judging from the tastes of male relatives, it’s been geared towards white women, Latinas, and fellow Caribbean women. In contrast, my female cousins with one exception who married a white Australian want black men.
Jewish girls have nice big thights and bottoms.
There are many beautiful Jewish women especially here in my region of the US, and I don’t mind the stereotypical nose. The problem is that Jewish women in the States tend be “princesses” who have the stereotype of being sexless, high-maintenance, and downright spoiled and lazy. Besides, Jews don’t marry black people…
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Teej, you make some good points, especially about the self-selection bias, but, ask yourself this:
(In America)
How many unmarried women between 25-40 years old REALLY want to get married?
How many unmarried men between 25-40 years old REALLY want to get married?
Why is the difference so great?
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Besides, Jews don’t marry black people…
You know, that’s funny, because jews claim to be egalitarian and completely nonracist.
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#15 agnostic
Then there is the isolated-from-authority aspect. It’s not like in other countries where the kids live at home through college, so there are no parents around to keep them in line. And obviously the colleges cannot or don’t want to whip them into shape either….
Still, we need to do something about the typical campus life that most Americans go through.
Are you saying that college students should be chaperoned in some fashion by the schools they attend despite being legal adults? At what point are you going to cut the apron strings? Sure, college kids can be stupid, but making your own mistakes is part of going to college. Constantly regulating people’s behavior well into adulthood — essentially saying that people need to be protected from themselves — would seem to be another brick in the path of the domineering feminist nanny-state that commenters here are so contemptuous and fearful of.
Plus, if this actually happened and it somehow caused women to be more responsible and level-headed, wouldn’t that damage your notch count? It’s strange when would-be PUA’s on this blog complain about the very conditions that help them immensely to score with women in the first place.
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@Reggie:
A problem in America is that if you are under 18 you are treated like a child, and if you are over 18 like an adult. In Argentina at around 13 they slowly stop treating you like a child, so that at 18 you are already used to freedom and don’t flip out (same with alcohol: parents should slowly introduce their 13 year old children to alcohol so they don’y have vomiting 18 year olds). Also, college girl who live at home won’t bring two black dudes back to her parent’s home to be fucked simultaneously through all three of her holes.
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You know, that’s funny, because jews claim to be egalitarian and completely nonracist.
Black people don’t have the money to marry Jews. Besides, one can against racism and accepting of interracial marriage while not finding black (or another race) people as physically attractive. Does my lack of attraction towards Asian women make me racist? Obviously it wouldn’t, but if I purposely mistreated them because of their race, it would make me a racist.
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Also, college girl who live at home won’t bring two black dudes back to her parent’s home to be fucked simultaneously through all three of her holes.
No instead, they’ll bring two white dudes back home, right?
BTW, there’s nothing wrong with that sexual act, IMHO, as long as everybody has consented, and everybody enjoys the act.
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“There are plenty of feminine foreigners available in countries that traditionally have fewer opportunities for women and more clearly defined roles. These men are happy because they have good/great experiences, living abroad remaining Forever Alpha to their women. Such women are the holy grail for Alphas and even self-aware Betas. In fact, it was the betas I worked with overseas that were most awed by what comes with the expat relationship. It may be old for you alphas, but it was new stuff for us betas (and we did not even have to work for it!!).”
I’ve been to Thailand 4 times for prostitution. It’s GREAT! I’m honestly not that into Asian pussy in general, but Thai pussy is delicious! I’m honestly gettin a littl hard thinkin bout it. I’ve also been to Latin America- great pussy there, too. I’d like to go to Eastern Europe to pluck some of the cherries. I’ve heard it may be the best of the crop! Yum, yum!
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“No instead, they’ll bring two white dudes back home, right?
BTW, there’s nothing wrong with that sexual act, IMHO, as long as everybody has consented, and everybody enjoys the act.”
Remember, I’m from a catholic background. Virginity or at least sexual moderation is a virtue. Seriously, would you like that your future wife, the mother of your children, was gangbanged? Women who have behaved like sluts in the past will do so in the future and might cuckold you. Not wife material. A girl will behave much better under her daddies watching eye.
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Lurking-what I see around me is not as bad as the rest of the country, because Massachusetts is the 2nd fittest state in the union according to the CDC numbers.
The women’s soccer world has caught up to the Americans. Of course, like the men, it’s beng driven by colonials.
Jews don’t marry blacks?!
America’s first big entertainment interracial couple, Sammy Davis’ wife-Jewish (he converted)
OJ’s wife-Jewish
My buddy Greenberg’s brother-in-law-Jamaican
I would hazard a guess that, percentage-wise, Jews are in interracial relationships at rates higher than their population. My college was about 40% Jewish, and the Jewish girls wanted to fuck anything BUT Jews.
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You seem obsessed with maintaining a power imbalance in male-female relationships. She can’t be your age. She can’t have her own money or opinions. And she can’t speak English or be able to navigate confidently on her own in your country. (My family were immigrants, I know what a disadvantage it is).
You’re entitled to like any kind of woman you want. But your preferences are kind of revealing about your own lack of confidence. And I’m pretty sure you’re going to respond with a bunch of menstruation jokes or something – you should know that wouldn’t exactly disprove my point.
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“No instead, they’ll bring two white dudes back home, right?
BTW, there’s nothing wrong with that sexual act, IMHO, as long as everybody has consented, and everybody enjoys the act.”
There’s nothing wrong with it in the sense that it should not be illegal, but high quality women are unlikely to do it. Sex was much riskier for human females for the greater part of our species history. Contraception has changed that, but our primal instincts are not well adpated to modern technology. Only the most logical individuals can bypass those instincts and consciously behave rationally for the modern environment. Even very intelligent women are often too emotional to consciously behave rationally when it comes to sex, so it’s safe to assume that a woman who get gang banged and sleeps around a lot is low quality.
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Dizzy8 (33) — relationships ARE about power, regardless of the type. That is why you should marry your equal, or at least someone whose strengths match your weaknesses and vice-versa. That way, there is a perpetual balance of power and the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts.
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Oh no, everybody hide, Dizzy has arrived!!!!!
Serioulsy Dizzy, Men don’t like young women (16-22) because they seek powerimbalances. Men like young women because they have perfect, perky tits, cellulite free arses, soft sking, are not jaded characterwise, and posses a delicious estrogen smell.
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Dizzy,
According to an article in “The Atlantic Monthly”, 50% of all White Women in America are overweight. And half of them (25% of White Women) are OBESE.
50% of all marriages end in divorce. Of the men who have never been divorced, something like 40-60% are happy with their marriages (I can no longer remember the number).
When you start adding in how many girls nowadays suffer from depression (relative to yesteryear), anxiety, etc. well, things look real bad.
I understand that men are getting fatter as well. But, we all know that we are different in how we judge each other.
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Overseas, American women are it.
The grass is always greener.
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Gannon, I’m not trying to piss anyone off by asking you this, but is there a stigma against rich/middle class white/mestizo latin chicks fucking certain guys, like black guys, or is it more class based (there is no problem, for example, if the black guy is a decent person and an attorney)?
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In Argentina there really are no blacks. The few blacks that live there, are usually poor and come from neighboring Brazil and are treated rather poorly. Most Argentines like most latinos are pretty racist. A few girls, specially more Urban ones, might consider sleeping with one out of curiosity. But in the end, few will consider having a permanent black boyfriend. I’m saying few, not none by the way. In fact, Brazil might be a much better place for a black man searching for a white girlfriend, since Brazilian girls are used to blacks.
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33 dizzy8
“your preferences are kind of revealing about your own lack of confidence.”
A confident man would not indulge in bashing an entire culture of women as a reason for their failures with them. (Not that I haven’t indulged in some Italian bashing. That’s different of course! ^_^ But I don’t have blog site where I’m bashing Italian men.) I think we need to see this for what it is: venting.
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Spanish girls didn’t seem very interested in playing sports, or even going to the gym — if you saw someone jogging outside, it was always an American.
It may be changing among adolescents, I don’t know, but girls who were college age or older when I was there a few years ago weren’t into it. They’re pretty feminine, too busy shopping for clothes and shoes, and getting their bodies waxed, to worry about competitive sports. I was only in Paris and Rome for a week each, but that was my impression of the girls there too.
One of my favorite women in college was a woman from the crew team that was extremely strong; having her wrap her legs around you was not for the fainthearted. Some of this fear of strong, athletic women comes from weenie boys-stop being afraid and hit the gym.
Yeah, preferring soft, voluptuous bodies over dickless male bodies is so gay. Indeed, manhood, as an institution, irreparably begins to decay once guys no longer make the rite of passage of getting fucked up the butt by some Amazon with a strap-on.
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37 Usually Lurking — I’ll agree about the fat data. Part of this is that no one ever walks anywhere. I think people outside of the US have more exercise in just their daily routine.
Maybe if people started moving around a bit more, they would stop trying to starve themselves on unnatural diet programs.
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#36 Gannon
Men like young women because they have perfect, perky tits, cellulite free arses, soft sking, are not jaded characterwise, and posses a delicious estrogen smell.
A big reason unjaded young women mature into jaded older women is because of the men who exploit their unjaded-ness in the quest for notches. In essence, pump-and-dumpers are, in part, creating the women they’re complaining about. Not that women aren’t to blame for their own situations as well, but it’s obtuse not to recognize men’s role in this sort of transformation.
Also, the “delicious estrogen smell” part of your comment makes you sound ever so slightly like a serial killer.
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The “power” idea in relationships is an invention by university feminists. In other words, it was women in the ignorant, backwards 1970s “explaining” what men think, without consulting men.
But the fact is that what Roissy says is true: The boner does not lie. And like Ganon notes, perky tits and supple skin turn men’s heads. Even I’ll admit this, and I have always had a preference for older women. There are biological reasons for this, of course, and feminists didn’t take the into consideration. Instead, they published their books, and the bass-ackward idea of “power” in relationships become part of the pop culture lexicon.
It’s a flawed idea. Guys like young, hot women. It’s amazing I even have to write a sentence like that!
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Usually Lurking, what’s wrong with African chicks?
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Jews don’t marry blacks? What are you talking about? You know how many biracial kids in America are half Jewish? Even in celeb circles, two of the most famous biracial celebs, Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet are both Jewish on their white sides. I find a lot of Jewish people prefer to avoid marry nonJews, regardless of their race, but among the Jewish people who are okay dating non-Jews, they are not particularly averse to marrying blacks.
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I am not saying anything is wrong with African chicks. But, if you were to survey the average American man on what he is attracted to (comparing average apples to average oranges) I think that Sub-Saharan African girls would be near the bottom.
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PaperDreamer, there is a lto involved in this. IIRC, the average American gets more calories from what the drink compared to what they eat.
And the amount of sugar and refined-carbs that we get nowadays is staggering.
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44 Reggie
“In essence, pump-and-dumpers are, in part, creating the women they’re complaining about. Not that women aren’t to blame for their own situations as well, but it’s obtuse not to recognize men’s role in this sort of transformation.”
I commend you on your clarity of thought and attempt to balance the scales. You display a certain amount of maturity. Though I would not use the word “blame”, but responsibility.
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Usually Lurking – I guess it depends on which parts of Africa you’re talking about. A lot of Northern and East African women (Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopean) are known for being smoking hot. Then again I guess American white guys don’t get exposed to them that much.
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Asian men have really nice hair (Japanese and Korean men in particular) and have a very, very low rate of male pattern baldness. Also, their skin is lovely and they age so much better than white men. Some Asian women date foreign white men, but usually those women are losers themselves. Believe me. Also, they are sooo much better in bed. You may dismiss this but it’s completely true. They dress better and wear only dark suits to work- none of this khaki/casual business dress crap. Yes, Japanese and Korean men are way better gross pale white, balding, hairy, boring as hell American men.
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I think that American White men would have more exposure than Asian-Americans and Latinos.
Either way, I think that if you were to average them together (Europeans, N Asians, SE Asians, Middle-Eastern, etc), Sub-Saharan African women would rate poorly.
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49 Usually Lurking — That’s true also. Eating healthy is important. The slowing of metabolism as people age has something to do with it too. People continue to eat like when they were younger, but their lifestyle and metabolic rate has slowed by a lot.
People may resort to extreme & yoyo diets because they can’t maintain the balance.
I say moderation of food and normalization of exercise is in order!
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Usually Lurking,
What are you talking about? More exposure to what?
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By the way, I was tlaking about how much better looking, better dressed and more interesting Japanese/Koreans are than American White men.
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And they age 1000x better. White men turn into gross paunchy bald guys. Yuck.
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For Roissy,
Have you ever been to Thailand? It’s pretty telling that the only white guys you see with Thai women are old and ugly. Young white guys who are good looking are never with them, unless it’s a quick visit to the “massage parlour.” This is completely how it is, so I would not be quoting some old, washed up writer who settles for some Thai girl, who in all reality is probably not attractive all, but short and squat.
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A need a few of the men here to give me some help.
Please
How would you describe a woman who enjoys being a woman?
Roissy, you are going to attract some racists to this site because you extolling the virtues of women with natural tans.
I must say that men seem to do this to play women against one another. For example, white men date Asian women because they say white women are to tough, black men date white women because they say black women are to tough, white men who date black women because they think black women are more go getters etc…. I personally think men enjoy playing women off against one another.
I’ve done a little bit of international traveling myself, and I’ve noticed the difference between American men and foreign men.
American men want you to do all of the housework, pay half of the bills, have their way with you whenever/however, AND they still want to be the BOSS.
I will say that I noticed that French men of all ages have flat stomachs. After 40 you can give up seeing an American man with a flat stomach. American men have big guts wheather they are slim, meduim or overweight. A least women can say it’s because they have had children. American men are also not very good dressers. Look at Italien men, very chic, masculine and they have a serious swagger. Nigerian men also have strong swagger.
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Chic Noir,
That’s exactly right: American men are the absolute WORST dressers!
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Sars I am happy I am not the only one who picked up on Ameriacan men’s like of fashion since.
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I personally think men enjoy playing women off against one another.
We’re too busy competing against each other to worry about stirring up trouble among females — and females stir up enough trouble among themselves anyway!
Think of all the rumors that were spread about you in middle school, high school, and college: were they started more by guys or girls? Or the dirty looks you got for dressing hot? And so on.
The only way we pit females against each other is on an individual level, like we flirt with person X to make person Y jealous. This can get results. When we praise ethnic group X, it’s not like ethnic group Y, as a whole, will like us more. So when I say I like Spanish girls, it’s just an observation.
There is a slight exception: if I met a particular American girl, I might say how fond I am of some other group, and she may feel like she has to qualify herself — “hey, I’m as good as they are!” But that doesn’t work when you’re addressing a wide audience, only if it’s a single person.
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White men turn into gross paunchy bald guys.
Oh, that is so true. It seems like every other day on the train I get squashed next to one of them. The average white man’s body goes right down the toilet after age 35 or so, when his idea of physical fitness consists of sitting in front of the idiot box sucking down beers, nachos and chicken wings while watching the game. With maybe a weekly round of cartball for variety.
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Everywhere I go outside of the US, the American men I meet speak of their horror of sexless, hostile, ill-bred American women.
So among men that have self-selected their asses away from American women, most of them can’t stand US women. Amazing!
The truth is is that the sexes can’t stand each other in most third world nations and report low rates of sexual satisfaction, while stereotypes and bitter theories aside, men and women in America report higher rates of sexual satisfaction than almost anywhere else in the world. American men are, on the whole, very satisfied with American women. American men report greater sexual satisfaction than men in any other country but Austria! American women are near the very top as well. So American men are generally quite pleased with American women, and vice versa.
http://economics.uchicago.edu/download/finalSWB_15Apr05.pdf
Do you think men in Brazil are having awesome sex with those superior Brazilian women? Think again. Brazilian men and especially Brazilian women, have significantly lower sexual satisfaction than Americans.
Do you think men in Thailand are having awesome sex with those superior Thai women? Think again. Thai men and women report lower sexual satisfaction than people from almost any other country.
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The problem is this — he’s comparing Thailand to Peoria, Illinois.
I repeat — Peoria fucking Illinois. That’s really not fair. That’s like having the 8/9 year old Pop Warner football team play the New York Giants. Of course Peoria women look like “abandoned mattresses” in comparison.
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sars is obviously either a bitter Asian guy upset Asian girls date white guys or a bitter American white woman upset that white men have had enough of their shitty personalities. Everyone knows that Asian men, unfortuately for them, have it the toughest in the dating market.
I like girls somewhere in the middle. Not too girly, kind of athletic is ok, but definitely not fond of cursing or drinking like a man. If everyone remembers the movie Titanic, the heroine of the movie was praised for learning to “spit like a man”, drinking like an Irishman, and cheating on her fiance. No one mentioned the terrible example set in one of the most popular movies ever.
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Jack,
Are you seriously that illerate? I just just Japanese/Korean men. Meaning from Japan and Korea- you know those two countries located on the other side of the world- where you’ve obviously never been. I went to high school in Korea (I am white) and have lots of friends in Japan and I have a Korean boyfriend actually- my American guys friends here are some of my best friends in the world, but are nothing like you.
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Also, they are sooo much better in bed. You may dismiss this but it’s completely true.
Sars, I’m glad you have had good sex partners, but Asian women consistently report the lowest sexual satisfaction in the world. Japanese women report the lowest sexual satisfaction in the world. (see my link above for one such finding)
So the evidence does not support your assertion at all.
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To clarify, I wasn’t talking about Korean-Americans. Jesus.
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Seriously, watch Japanese porn. And, you haven’t lived in Korea, so really, why do you have an opinion?
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chic noir
“Look at Italien men, very chic, masculine and they have a serious swagger.”
In my experience, Italian men are not worth the trouble.
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You may be referring to the fact that many Asian couples see a decrease in how often they have sex after marriage and children- not about the quality.
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By the way, in my “experience” of two instances, Mexican men suck in bed.
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By the way, if anyone wishes, I can describe in graphic detail why I think Korean men are better in bed, and then you can compare. Otherwise any argument is superfluous and irrlevent.
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By the way, if anyone wishes, I can describe in graphic detail why I think Korean men are better in bed, and then you can compare. Otherwise any argument is superfluous and irrlevent.
You have it exactly backwards. Anecdotal statements superfluous and irrelevant. Probability samples of tens of thousands of people actually serve as scientific evidence .
You may be referring to the fact that many Asian couples see a decrease in how often they have sex after marriage and children- not about the quality.
No. I am talking about pretty much any question relating to sexual well-being given to Asians at any age.
The survey linked above was for adults in and over middle-age, and the questions were indeed specifically about *quality* of sex, not quantity. Korean women report much less physical pleasure from sex than women in pretty much all white countries save Italy. Japanese women are at the very bottom by a landslide.
Any assertions that Asian men are, on average, better at sex have a lot of awkward facts to deal with.
For you personally it could easily be the case for any number of reasons. But most women do not agree.
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Anecdotal statements are superfluous and irrelevant.
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The above paper is from the Global Study of Sexual Attitudes and Beliefs. There is also the Global Sexual Wellbeing Survey, which found, for instance, that Asian countries tend to have the most premature ejaculation and least amount of female orgasms:
Only 24 percent of respondents from Hong Kong and China reported always experiencing an orgasm during sex, the lowest in the survey, followed by Japan on 27 percent and Singapore on 36.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=db65a9c7-9847-46ff-8f58-f5540be241f2&&Headline=Asians+rate+sex+lives+so-so%3a+survey
Asian women say they are the least satisfied with their sex lives.
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Rain And,
This stpid report is about “sexual well-being” and refers not to how many women reach orgasm in bed, but is a thinly veiled study on gender equality. I’m talking about ORGASMS and Korean men know how to give them! Sorry but you can’t approach it “acedemically.” Impossible.
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Most amusing thread. Of course, pretty much everybody here has no fucking idea what they are talking about. The crazy mythology that abounds around foreign women is one fed by ignorance and the extrapolation of a few experiences. Unless you’ve spent a significant amount of time in these places you really have no idea. There’s a lot of stuff that goes on under the surface that is not readily apparent.
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And by the way, ALWAYS experiencing an orgasm Give me a break- no women do. Women are the masters of faking them, myself included. However, I never needed to with my KR. boyfriend.
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By the way, ALWAYS reaching orgasm? Giver me a break, maybe Asian women are more honest, because no women can do that. I think American women are supreme fakers when it comes to the O- myself included.
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Remember, I’m from a catholic background. Virginity or at least sexual moderation is a virtue.
I’m of Catholic background too, but stuff like virginity and sexual moderation aren’t really important to me. As far as I’m concerned, virginity is a turnoff for me, and sadly, we need guy like Roissy and Roosh to “train” women to enjoy sex and have orgasms. The last thing that I want is a woman who has no clue of what she wants sexually and no clue of how to enjoy sex.
Seriously, would you like that your future wife, the mother of your children, was gangbanged?
Does that affect who she is as a person? Does that magically make her less caring and less capable of loving children? Hell, I’d consider that a plus since it implies that she enjoys sex and that a sexless marriage is less likely to occur.
Women who have behaved like sluts in the past will do so in the future and might cuckold you.
As long as she keeps fucking me, and we both enjoy the sex, I’ll be content and way happier than guys who married virgins who turned into boring and sexless partners.
The few blacks that live there, are usually poor and come from neighboring Brazil and are treated rather poorly.
My aunt visited Buenos Aires back in the early 90s and she complained that the Argentines treated her poorly. In contrast, Wellesley Queen says that blacks from the States are treated relatively well. I suspect that my aunt’s case is hampered by the fact that she’s of mixed race orgins and probably could pass for Brazilian.
A few girls, specially more Urban ones, might consider sleeping with one out of curiosity.
Given what Roosh said about Argentine girls, if I don’t bother asking out girls here in the States, I probably wouldn’t bother with any Argentine girls. Besides, banging 16 year old girls is downright creepy, and most of the girls have that sexless statue look that European women have…
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sars, you are the one who is “illerate” as you say. You keep flaming here about how terrible white American men are, because obviously they have rejected you. Your ridiculous blatherings have nothing to do with the point of this blog thread. And even if you are being real, you seem like a shallow, negative, demeaning cunt, and you basically prove the point of the post by showing the kind of woman we ALL want to avoid. Shut the fuck up and stop worrying about looks because you sound ugly yourself.
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lol @ sars
White chicks in Asia are such (self-delusional) haters.
Korean and Japanese guys are well dressed? I’d like to see what your fashion sense/appearance is like. I may have seen you last week on the Maruko Bridge feasting on billy goat meat.
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This stpid report is about “sexual well-being” and refers not to how many women reach orgasm in bed, but is a thinly veiled study on gender equality.
No it isn’t about orgasm, it’s about reported sexual pleasure. Korean women report they are getting less sexual pleasure than women report in most white nations. I’m sure it’s possible for women to experience higher sexual pleasure with fewer orgasms, but the combined evidence here points to Asian women experiencing less of both.
I’m talking about ORGASMS and Korean men know how to give them! Sorry but you can’t approach it “acedemically.” Impossible.
Your assertion in comment #52 was that Asian men are better in bed. If you would like to use orgasms as your metric of male sexual ability, then Asian women report less orgasms than women in any other world region, which I showed in my link above. Korean women specifically report less orgasms as well. 49% of 20 something Korean women say they have difficulty getting sexually aroused. American women are about half that.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.00840.x
If you believe the question here of comparability is unfalsifiable and that reported opinions are not evidence, then you shouldn’t be making assertions on the topic. And especially shouldn’t be trying to use your opinions as evidence for these assertions. You can’t have it both ways.
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It is not necessarily the foreign woman, although my experience has been fantastic. Any woman not given extra protection by law but just being a woman will act in a way that is they are actually just a woman no government super powers given. It is that no logical person that has any goals of being wealthy could get into an agreement of marriage or kids with an American woman not because of the woman but because of the laws that will give her everything you have worked for to flush down the drain. Not just America but anywhere they have bs divorce laws. You work on a business for 20 years it prospers then divorce cut it in half and bye bye business but noone in these divorces is thinking logically they are both being destroyed by the stupid laws that treat adults worse than kids. Are the woman happier after divorce are the kids happier are the adult kids happier? Of course you can’t plan for sickness of your great woman but that is why at the tender age of 21 I wanted to kill myself because I looked around me logically and decided lifes pleasures were not worth the pain of going through life working and all that crap there just wasn’t enough to it. Couldn’t do it back then. I do look at it now and see that if I am rich as heck it may be worth it. I guess just keep playing the game to win.
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After all thank god there are asian woman lol
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And by the way, ALWAYS experiencing an orgasm Give me a break- no women do. Women are the masters of faking them, myself included.
It’s not just women who can fake them:
There once was a harlot from Munich
Who was had in the park by a eunuch.
At the moment of passion
He shot her a ration,
From a squirt gun concealed ‘neath his tunic.
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73 sars
My experience of Italians? One. But it was a BIG experience!! Our busy little minds just love to lump people in categories, though if I wanted to, could undoubtedly find a study to PROVE my point (and my superiority). ^_^
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“Only 24 percent of respondents from Hong Kong and China reported always experiencing an orgasm during sex, the lowest in the survey, followed by Japan on 27 percent and Singapore on 36.”
It’s a fact that asian women don’t like sex, which is why they are less likely to cheat.
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88 Peter
Alas, I am one of those bawdy, sailor-talking women (not ALL the time, mind you!), but don’t like sports. Is there an American man for me? Probably. I ain’t worried about it.
There was a young man of Tibet,
And this is the strangest one yet–
His prick was so long,
And so pointed and strong,
He could bugger six Greeks en brochette.
1941
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You very intelligent persons citing all these studies fail to take into consideration how studies affect human behavior. If the news at 11 started reporting increases in crimes that were not actually committed, the rates of those crimes would increase. There is no study to “prove” my point, but still it’s true. Try it. ^_^
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Jack, and everyone else-
I hope you’re not serious! It’s a fucking joke- it’s the Internet. No one is even themselves here so why the wasted energy? Jesus you’re easy to wind up:) You totally can’t have a “real” conversation by posting comments back and forth so why try?
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Rain And– would you stop with the fucking studies? Who talks about sex through citing studies. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Do you need a study to tell you when you can and can’t have sex?
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So-called “Jack” and “Paully, I’m not ugly, you are ugly. So there. Haha. I told you, eh.
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Agnostic #42-Yeah, Serena Williams has quite the dickless, male body. So does Amanda Beard. And Gabriella Sabatini. And Ashley Force. And Jelena Dokic. And Tanith Belbin. And Lokelani McMichael. And Gabriella Reece-Hamilton. And the now impressively-racked Michelle Wie. And Milka Duno. And on and on, ad infinitum…
Or my own aforementioned little Semitic crew princess, pretty much my gold standard for strong & curved.
Now about that strap-on…does it hurt?
Sars-how’s that kimchee stink work for you? There’s something in every culture that the outsider has to get used to (like the one black girl I dated and her nighttime hair routine) in order to have a relationship. A lot of people, especially white Americans, are NOT willing to make the sacrifice.
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Whatchu talkin’ ’bout kimchee? Sounds like Kung Fu. I ain’t never even been to no Korea, except that one time in K-Town where I busted a brother up. Whatevs. Aight, I be checkin’ out my Myspace now.
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“Jewish girls have nice big thights and bottoms”
Funny how big thights and bottoms have become sought after now. Many men would ride a woman for looking like this a few years ago. I think its rap music videos playing on the psyche, and no Ganon, DA’s brother is like 10-20 of BM in America in that he is a self hater.
As a woman I find beauty in all races of women although, if a woman has long eyelashes,full lips and clear skin she will at least rank at a 7.
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Rain And– would you stop with the fucking studies? Who talks about sex through citing studies.
You know: men, intelligent people, adults, skeptics, scientists. Anyone concerned with what the facts are. I fully realize why this would make you angry.
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
I’ll bet it is. And that’s genuinely sad.
Do you need a study to tell you when you can and can’t have sex?
Nope, my boner tells me when it’s time to have sex. It is not under dispute whether “I can and can’t have sex”, but whether or not it is a “fact” that Asian men are better in bed than white men – your claim.
This is a fully falsifiable claim, and what evidence there is does not support it.
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94 sars
These guys (and gals) are by and large study whores.
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44 Reggie
#36 Gannon
Men like young women because they have perfect, perky tits, cellulite free arses, soft sking, are not jaded characterwise, and posses a delicious estrogen smell.
A big reason unjaded young women mature into jaded older women is because of the men who exploit their unjaded-ness in the quest for notches. In essence, pump-and-dumpers are, in part, creating the women they’re complaining about. Not that women aren’t to blame for their own situations as well, but it’s obtuse not to recognize men’s role in this sort of transformation.
Also, the “delicious estrogen smell” part of your comment makes you sound ever so slightly like a serial killer.
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Reggie is one of the few sane voices on this blog. Fools like Roissy and Roosh bitch and moan about american women, and while what they say is often factual, they always forget the inevitable psychological damage *their* one night stands have on these women.
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Women learn the hard way to reign in their sexual desires to reach a higher goal if that’s what they want. The problem occurs when they become jaded in the process. Few have great role models and learn from the school of hard knocks how not to be a “victim”. These guys are responsible parts of the problem, but like the women are behaving out of ignorance. Otherwise they would not be bitterly complaining about how guarded, masculine, and challenging women have become.
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American women demand respect but are not willing to return the favour. They are black holes of demand, empty of produce.
Unfortunately, I am beginning to see the same attitudes cropping up in women in Australia and the UK.
Even in Eastern Europe it is harder to find women who understand that the entire world does not revolve around only them.
It’s almost as if Paris Hilton cloned her brain into the bodies of millions of other women worldwide.
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103 Al Fin
Unfortunately what you say is true. It could be backlash from old women related wounds and the pendulum has swung way too far the other way. Isn’t that the way it always is? Don’t worry, it will swing back to a more equitable position because it has to. Look for women who are not so “entitled”. Many women, like you, are trying to figure out what the hell is happening.
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“I understand that men are getting fatter as well. But, we all know that we are different in how we judge each other.”
LMAO.
No, we’re not different at all. It’s just that when I judge you, you act like I’m being all entitled and pushy. But when you judge me, you act like I should understand it’s “nature.”
Both sexes judge. We all know it. That’s what all you guys on here are so very, very afraid of. That’s the whole point of “Game” – to pretend that there is a way for an overweight, underaccomplished lame ass to “score hot chicks at will…”
It’s not true. We all judge the same. And that’s why you guys are gathered here throwing rocks at all the supposedly “entitled” women.
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Obviously an old ugly man, (prob. pedifile) can’t actually have a relationship based on someone caring about him.
Ugly, Old, Bald, little dick thinks that beautiful 20 year old girls in the US should want him??????
Has to buy a woman. Yes, you dirty old man….. those women that get with you, from other countries, those girls out of your league? It’s just because you bought them with your money.
It’s just because they were in a terrible situation, so they hold back their throw up when they are with you, because you are the lesser of the two evils.
YOUR WHOLE LIFE – with not ONE real relationship.
How’s it feel to know that you always have to pay???? No matter what? Even when you don’t actually get out your wallet?
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It must feel like………being married to an American woman.
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@85 Rain And
“Your assertion in comment #52 was that Asian men are better in bed. If you would like to use orgasms as your metric of male sexual ability, then Asian women report less orgasms than women in any other world region, which I showed in my link above. Korean women specifically report less orgasms as well. 49% of 20 something Korean women say they have difficulty getting sexually aroused. American women are about half that.”
I may offend someone out there… which would be a good think imho. Because at least they are reading (and possibly thinking) , rather then watching television propaganda.
A: the female orgasm is 80% mental, 20% biomechanics
therefore social-cultural conditionioning would play a large factor in female orgasm rates as compared between cultures. Girls hear their mother’s throes of passion and learn to inculcate more of the same. [Nurture Function]
B: there are physiological differences, such as differing pelvic floor dimensions/layout between people of color, whites, semitics, and orientals. vaginal depth, ring muscle strength, wall thickness, grafenberg spot access difficulties, lubrication response, labial fold tension vs clitoral hood, etc.
All this may point to, the probability that nerve conduction/function from the female sex to her brain pleasure center. [Nature (gene) Function]
The best way to determine which is the primary cause for the supposed lower female orgasm rates of Asiatics, is for twin studies to be done. Raising identical twins at birth within the USA culture and in Japan, China, Korea etc.
Ideally clones would be perfect, but as yet, cloning is decades away. (publicly at any rate) Who knows whats going on in Blacksite laboratories.
And then subjecting them to identical sex response testing. I think a Sybian and a TENS elctrostim device would work fine, for inducing positive stimulation, and in the case of the second device, it can be paired with a vaginal photoplethysmograph (used for measuring blood flow within the vagina to the surface of the skin, which is a metric for arousal function)
You would find out if its Cultural or if its Genetic or both.
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dizzy: “It’s not true. We all judge the same. And that’s why you guys are gathered here throwing rocks at all the supposedly “entitled” women.”
Yep, I know lots of chicks who are after guys with long hair, big eyes, small chins, big boobs, hourglass shapes and vaginas.
Yep, men and women are after exactly the same thing in one another.
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“This could equally be said of Mexican women of Chinese women, of most women everywhere, except North America.”
Agreed. Although, Mexico is North America.
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Have you seen Fred’s article on Mexican women? It was from a couple years ago, and still my favorite of his articles. Essentially, a paean to femininity.
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Anonymous 5-
“At any rate, I refuse to accept that the change was entirely the fault of women or even feminism. Men, the New American Woman is your baby, too.”
You can refuse all you want Clio but the change is overwhelmingly due to feminism and worst in America (maybe similar in Canada) because we have the most strident and extreme forms of feminist to get any large play. Usually but not always somewhat toned down feminism pervades America TV and media generally. Attacking feminism publically is also made very dangerous since it’s included in the politically correct pantheon of networked leftist mutual aid and vicious counter attack.
It’s actually rather brilliant to attack feminism as Roissy so regularly does from the perch of an established PUA persona. That’s because one of the first lines of attack of feminists against critics is to belittle their they say likely fear of “strong and attractive” women, etc. You’re only partly immune if you have a beautiful and impressive gf, but you do better if you’re a known player. If you set yourself up and can’t be successfully challenged as a super duper player, who’s super clear about what he most values in women and doesn’t give a piss if that upsets women who think their stronger suit is their elite college degree(s) rather than their looks, hotness or femininity, well then feminists simply can’t successfully assail that. They pretty much would have to try to censor or make illegal, and so on, which the still can’t manage – yet.
If you want to blame men in part for that, well it’s true that far too many men did go along with all but the more extreme advocates, and its also true that men failed to resist it’s many bad sides and outrageous excesses (divorce theft; sexual harassment extremism; affirmative action for women; violence against women act (doesn’t confine itself to violence much less significant violence, largely ignores female violence against men which is very real, and it often treats men as guilty until proven innocent, reversing centuries of Anglo Saxon law progress in that area)) — and so on.
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40 Gannon
Yeah, I lived in Brasil and Argentina for a bit. I’d say black men have about 0.005% chance of scoring in Argentina. Even the black guys that played pro-basketball for one of the Cordoba sports teams didn’t have a very easy time. Argies consider themselves European and hence, not mixed Mestizos like Bolivians or Peruvians, not mulattos like neighboring Brasil. They are very proud of this fact, so mixing with either Indians or Blacks is a huge status drop for any girl that would do so. (I’m sure you know this, I’m just posting for others)
Brasil, obviously, is much easier for Blacks, however, scoring a pure White-European descended girl would be very difficult. Rio Grande do Sul, Parana, etc.. are similar to ARG in outlook, although a bit more liberal. Black men could easily get an attractive mulatta however. Brasil has it’s own funny racial quirks. A man may be blacker than espresso, but since one great-great-great grandparent was white, he will completely deny being black.
64 Rain and
Apologies for not opening the U Chicago study and not examining the methodology, but usually these so-called happiness and satisfaction studies are usually self-reported and thus, have bias inherent due to the subjective cultural norms of those reporting. Here in Ukraine, I haven’t met a man, Ukrainian or foreign, that doesn’t usually get his piece of tail (and a good looking one at that), unless you are the dude selling sunflower seeds at the market. If the U-Chicago reports UA satisfaction being lower than USA, I’ll know it’s because of the low expections of American men going into it. Bring any American man to any other part of the world and judge his sexual happiness then — that’s a better litmus test for me. And I already know the answer — it’s better elsewhere!
103 Al Fin
“Even in Eastern Europe it is harder to find women who understand that the entire world does not revolve around only them.”
Yes, former FSU girls are super-divas, but only in one respect: you need to spend big bucks on them. They love the bling: buy them a black BMW and D&G clothes and all issues are settled. They won’t care if you have other girlfriends, visit strip-clubs, prostitutes, etc… as long as you bring home the bacon and will stick around for your kid, you’re in good shape — hitting on and sleeping with other girls is expected here. American girls, while less demanding monetarily, have all sorts of other neuroses which makes dealing with them almost unbearable. I’ve never met a FSU girl who’s heard of Abraham Maslow, yet if I hear another American girl mention “I want to be self-actualized!” I’m going to buy a gun.
Do Svidanya from Kiev
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Both sexes judge. We all know it. That’s what all you guys on here are so very, very afraid of. That’s the whole point of “Game” – to pretend that there is a way for an overweight, underaccomplished lame ass to “score hot chicks at will…”
They can — being arrogant, confident, and entitled will get you some play with women even if you’re otherwise lame. It’s true that working on your looks, getting in shape, etc. will improve the success you have. That’s why it’s usually part of the “game” advice as well.
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People who like fat women aka Western women are in denial. They are so psychologically traumatized that they settle for the worst. Fat/Ugly girls = Omega. Cute/Hot = Alpha. Pretty simple logic here, if you believe you are beta then you attract beta.
Best are definitely Asian, Eastern European and South American girls. Trust me, I travel a lot and talk from experience.
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I’m an Asian American girl and don’t care too much for American guys at all. They are selfish, lazy and don’t behave in a chivalrous manner. Give me a hot Euro guy any day. Italian guys from Italy (not Italian Americans) are amazing. Sun bronzed skin, beautiful in-shape bodies, gorgeous Mediterranean features. It’s not just their looks – they are intelligent, cultured, refined and well-educated. They are a joy to be around.
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I think bondgirl007 and sars are guys.
Bondgirl is probably abc (american born chinese) and sars one of those guys in LA cheering for their Korean soccer team (basically Mexican).
Both groups are some of the biggest racists on the planet. You’ve never known a bigger plastic fake racist than an abc in Taipei, Singapore or Shanghai. They think they are superior to the locals and they can’t stand white guys, black guys, any other guys scoring with “their” women.
Don’t get me wrong, they are not bad people, some of the best I’ve known living in Asia for 15 years. But they are racist.
We had a discussion last night (American, English, Australian, Canadian and Kiwi….yes, all white guys) about it…. It wasn’t about if they were actually racist cunts but why? The narrative was essentially the same “met a cool guy or gal from xxxxxx (abc or cbs) hung out, had some laughs, thought they were great, then for some reason, once they had their core Chinese friends, didn’t want anything to do with you.”
bondgirl….good luck being an Italian Cum Receptacle, sounds like you are good at it and if you tell daddy it’s “education” related, I’m sure he will take care of the bill. Hopefully you are female but it probably doesn’t matter so much…
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Masculinity and femininity converge on each other in America more than any other country I’ve had exposure to. So much of a person’s self identity is tied to what a person does, in terms of occupations and hobbies, that nobody really takes the time to think about what it means to be male or female.
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