I’m looking for some answers to questions I have about steroids and their use. This is for a, uh… book report. Anyone who has useful information or advice is encouraged to leave a comment.
What are the mild class of steroids?
Where and from whom can they be bought? Do users go to Mexico to stock up?
How much do they cost?
How are they cycled?
Is an estrogenic aromatase necessary during the down cycle?
This is important – are there any that don’t need to be injected? (I have a crippling phobia of needles ever since I saw a big guy poke another big guy who was bending over with his shorts down to his knees in the ass with a needle in a gym locker room.)
For those who take them – describe your experience. How much higher was your energy level on the juice?
Please spare me any moralizing. I have no interest in getting hyooge. And I know there are classes of roids that are relatively benign in their side effects, like Winstrol and Deca. I’ve been around enough doctors to know most of them have a reprehensible lack of knowledge about recent research in their fields of specialty. They toe the conventional wisdom. “Roids are baaad for you!” will get you nowhere here. I’m no drug warrior.
Oh yeah, and what are your opinions of HGH?
What is your lifting background?
I’m guessing you’re just looking for shortcuts and that you haven’t acheived what you’re capable of naturally due to lack of desire.
Shortcuts = beta.
Not surprising since you talk about them so much. Similar to how fundamentalist preachers get caught blowing strangers in the bushes.
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This post makes all your other ones seem like a lie.
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Shortcuts = beta.
i’m not looking for a shortcut. as i said, i have no interest in getting huge or packing on lots of muscle. my game works regardless of the state of my muscularity. my interest in steroids is in the auxiliary as well as the primary benefits.
-1 point for moralizing.
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-1 for ducking a simple question (“What is your lifting background?”)
Why the hell would you use roids if you don’t want muscle and if you’re already in an “alpha” state of mind? Although this illogical reasoning is of a feminine nature, I’m afraid that steroids won’t help unmuddle your mind.
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(smiley is a typo)
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After moralizing on this blog about this several days ago, I did more reading and have to say I came up with all sorts of things — pro and con. You might wanna ask a doctor.
Doctor Dean Edell, the radio doctor, is actually pretty liberal about the use of some steroids, but I think these are the oral ones.
As my grandfather used to say, regarding asking non-sxperts about specific things: if you have a leak see a plumber, if you have a body question, go to a doc. Doctors, after all, knowingly treat prostitutes and the like, so there should be no moralizing about you wanting to take a pill or two now and then. Also, that’ll be a way for you to ensure you actually take something that works.
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Addedndum…I’m embarrassed to add, this but you should know. What I was younger, I had severe asthma, so they put me on ‘roids — prednisone to be exact. It worked; I got better and even bulked up a little.
However, years later, the months of laser hair removal treatments were painful and expensive, and I’m back getting them again. I was only on this drug for a few months, yet the hair growth came at that exact time and was weird. Just thought you should know…
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Steroids are alpha Marlboro, just ask Brucie Kibbutz. Possibly the greatest videogame character of all time.
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Why the hell would you use roids if you don’t want muscle and if you’re already in an “alpha” state of mind?
i didn’t say i don’t want extra muscle, just that the benefit of added muscle isn’t my primary goal.
think energy level, sharpness of mind, fountain of youth, etc etc…
roids get a bad rap by the immoderate users which is unfortunate since roids hold a lot of benefits for men.
btw, the unintended smilies are a wordpress glitch. don’t put a parathesis after an ellipsis to avoid it.
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Oral steroids obviously mean no need to deal with needles (“pinz,” in user-speak), but create a higher risk of liver damage.
You don’t need to take an estrogenic aromatase, so long as you don’t mind buying bras.
But seriously, bodybuilding.com has all sort of information on steroids, including a very active forum.
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Is an estrogenic aromatase necessary during the down cycle?
The final step in the conversion of (other) steroids to estrogens is done by the (naturally available) aromatase enzyme. This is true for both naturally available and external steroids.
If you’re taking external steroids, the elevated estrogen levels increase the risk of gynecomastia. Aromatase inhibitors (AI) block the action of aromatase enzyme, and thus protect you from the embarrassment of the man boobs.
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I’m not trying to defend steroids here (Not a big fan of any drug use…but that’s just a personal thing), but steroids have been unnecessarily demonized. There is zero scientific evidence that it causes things such as “roid rage” or early death in adults. “Real Sports” ran a very interesting expose on steroids a while ago.
Also, the average steroid users are not athletes – they’re like…roissy. Young guys, early 30s, looking to get an edge. And steroid use is much larger than people think.
hehe, let’s keep it real, shall we? 🙂
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BTW, you should ask your buddy Virgile Kent about steroids. I’m sure he could give you the straight dope (so to speak 🙂 ).
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why would you take such an unnecessary risk with your body? i ask rhetorically of course… Theres many ways of improving your “energy level, sharpness of mind, fountain of youth, etc etc…”
try coffee for energy level, fish oil for sharpness and maybe some makeup for your delicate face.
most importantly stop being a “beta” and forget this nonsense.
granted i am no superhero or this mythical alpha, i believe that you are just having a weak moment like every other human being and need to recognize that.
btw: i love your posts (except this one)
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If you decide to go the roid route, you should try to find Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS). SARMS activate the androgen receptors in some tissues while remaining inactive in others. Ideally, they allow you to grow big muscles without growing a big prostate and being pissed off all the time.
You probably want an estrogen inhibitor post-cycle. Bodybuilders usually take SERMS that are commonly used to treat breast cancer and infertility in women. Many bodybuilders take aromatase inhibitors with their steroids. Aromatase is necessary for the synthesis of estrogen-like compounds. Aromatase helps turn androgens into estrogens. With more androgens floating around, you get more estrogens too and thus bitch tits.
I have never taken any illegal steroids but I have experimented with aromatase inhibitors and I have done research (real academic research, not just reading books) on ligand binding in the estrogen and androgen receptors. I’m one of the guys who responds very well to aromatase inhibitors alone, but they also alter my mood drastically. I’ve read that IGF is better and safer than HGH. I am seriously considering getting some IGF. IGF is less controlled than steroids and thus easier to get. Bodybuilding.com is a good source of info. Some of those guys know a great deal of biochemistry.
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be prepared for complete unpredictability in your erections.
some days you’ll practically have priapism.
other days you’ll feel like a rich man trying to shove an extremely limp camel through the eye of a needle. on these days, the kingdom of heaven will be much more elusive than you’d ever thought possible.
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I did a bulking cycle 11 years ago (Sustanon, blend of 4 testosterones). Results:
– weight went from 155 lbs to 185 in 6 weeks, gained nearly ten pounds the first few days!
– big strength gains
– i could eat like a machine, appetite was over the top
– needles, no problem for me
– no change in aggresiveness/irritability
– nipple swelled up after, but I believe i am highly susceptible to it since I had this all throughout puberty
– puffy face while on it
– didn’t keep all the weight but never got anywhere near my pre-cycle weight after
Bottom line, it was worth it to me since I went from being a scrawny kid to a man in 6 weeks. Would I do it again? Probably not, as I’ve now realized putting on mass is possible with proper training and nutrition. It’s all about the eating. In a 4 month period last year I gained 20 lbs of muscle by doing compound exercises and eating properly.
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http://www.sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/
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“think energy level, sharpness of mind, fountain of youth, etc etc…”
– you try speed, or Ritalin/Adderall, or perhaps Cocaine?
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Male Patten Baldness being both initiated or accelerated, future prostate hypertropy and cancer, Aggravation of acne and “bacne” (acne on the back and shoulders), tesitcular atropy, mood swings, long-term cardiovascular risks…………PREMATURE FACIAL AGEING……
Its just not worth it Roissy.
Eat a healthy diet, get 8 hours of sleep a night, take a multiviatimin, do about 5 minutes of cardio to “get going” before your workout in the evenings after you get off your job. You’ll have a nice athletic build with some muscles that is not an endocrine-disrupting-lifestyle altering (have any idea of the unhealthy amount of protien the “big” guys have to intake to maintain? Its flatulence city).
Ive worked out with, and hell………………LIVED with steroid users whom I pumped iron with in my youth. I thought the hassle they went through (and the premature ageing of their faces especially) wasn’t worth it.
Male hormone (testosterone, adrostenigione (Mark McGuires juice), DHEA, DHEAS, DHT) is hard on the dermal tissues. Users skin gets “thinned out” as a consequence of that loss of adiopose tissue (the adorable layer of baby fat that women often keep much longer than me). If youve ever seen photos of women who go on testosterone therapy to be “like men”, you’ll note they age ten years in about a year.
Youre FUTURE ABILITY TO FATHER CHILDREN might also be affected as some former users of steroids, due to testicular atrophy, complain of having a hard time getting their wives pregnant. Testicles do indeed shrink on steroids (why are they needed to make big T, when you are injecting it, so they shrivel).
I’d just eat healthy, take a multivitamin, get 8 hours of sleep, and get excercise…………………….and let that be it. We are supposed to get older, thats part of life.
This is coming from someone who used to be “ripped”, but is now merely “fairly muscular”. I dont know any of the older guys (like me) who are glad they were on the juice.
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Love your blog. Now’s my chance to give back: I take Testosterone Cypionate for all the reasons you just mentioned. Here’s a summary from my own experience. It’s no substitute for your own research:
– Some of the web sites mentioned have a TON of valuable info (and some trash too, so sift/read carefully). You’ll soon get a sense for the more educated members.
– After researching it myself, I decided on something that mimics just what my own body produces (testosterone)–albeit at a higher than average level for my age–rather than something too engineered. My remaining comments are in that context:
– Energy level and mood definitely up
– Yes, steroids and ‘roid rage are over-demonized as are many of the health worries if use is light/moderate. But ‘roids will raise your blood pressure so keep an eye on things.
– You can keep an aromatase inhibitor on-hand but you’re unlikely to need it if use is light
– Go with needles and spare your liver. You’ll get over your phobia after your first self-injection to the ass-cheek. Use a large needle to load the syringe, then twist on a fresh, smaller (23g or 25g) one for the injection
– If you want to grow, you’ve got to LIFT, LIFT, and then LIFT some more. This is true with or without the ‘roids. Anyone looking to the needle (or pill) as a substitute for hard work will be disappointed
– EAT RIGHT. It will work wonders for all the symptoms you mentioned. Remember: it’s impossible to out-exercise a bad diet. Two good, recent I’ve read: “The Anabolic Diet” and “Better than Steroids”
– Anyone pursuing steroids under 25 is playing with fire. A guy in his 20’s has two of the best steroid factories right there inside his own ballsack. Don’t mess with what aint broke.
– …Which leads me to warn that your balls will shrink with steroid use. It’s not to raisin size but think about it: they’re not needed as much when your t-levels are maintained synthetically. They’ll bounce back eventually after you quit.
– The increased morning wood is great, but your s.o. will need to get adjusted to the “new you.”
– Read more, lift smart, and eat right.
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Well, steroids can make your testicles shrink8 (you’re getting so much androgen externally, that they literally atrophy). HGH has interesting effects, but they only last through the time you are taking it, and fade about three weeks later.
HGH + steroids can lead to joint pain and acromegaly (abnormal growth of facial bones) over time. See this link:
http://www.pituitary.asn.au/News/AcromegalyAwarenessCampaign/tabid/124/Default.aspx for more on acromegaly.
You don’t want to go there.
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a few points:
1, you seem to attribute to steroids a plurality of the wonderful qualities that characterize huxley’s soma.
do not forget the following:
steroids must be taken IN CYCLES, lest your body simply cease production of endogenous hormones.
when you are off cycle, you WILL feel antipodal effects; each additional ounce of your energetic euphoria will be bought on credit, with eventual payments in the form of roughly equal amounts of torpid dysphoria.
advice from a not-so-old suth’n gent:
do not begin taking steroids until you have OPTIMIZED all other lifestyle changes capable of producing similar effects without the rebound. this means sufficient sleep, healthful diet, ideal workouts, and elimination of unneeded stress from any quarter in your life.
if you optimize these areas and still feel the urge, then go for it.
2, use the fucking antiaromatase.
prophylaxis >>> crisis management.
3, wait until your workouts have reached an impassable plateau, so that you are actually conducting a controlled study. if you ramp up your workouts and your juice at the same time, you WILL fallaciously attribute a disproportionate amount of your progress to the juice, and oh boy is that a vicious cycle.
4, IF YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT MODERATION, YOUR IDEAL DOSE OF STEROIDS IS ZERO.
this is not a joke.
for most PUA’s i know, the only thing possible in moderation is moderation. if your personality is as addictive as that of most PUA’s, DO NOT drink this particular brand of kool-aid.
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This post makes all your other ones seem like a lie.
Rather, I’d argue this post makes sense of all his others.
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ok, fuck, i posted a big comment that was apparently swallowed by the hungry wordpress trolls. here were the highlights:
four points.
1, steroids must be cycled, and so all their positive effects are ‘bought on credit’ and will be paid for with corresponding negative effects. if you are equipped to tolerate equal amounts of energetic euphoria and torpid dysphoria, then go for it.
i would suggest optimizing non-cycled areas of your life, including sleep, diet, workouts, and stress reduction, before embarking on a zero-or-worse-sum game such as steroids.
2, use the antiaromatase. an ounce of prevention, a pound of cure, blah blah blah.
3, i can’t remember number three. it must not have been that important.
4, most importantly.
roissy, you are a PUA. i have never met a PUA who could practice moderation in anything, except for moderation itself; indeed, moderation is the very antithesis of the PUA lifestyle.
if you are not a paragon of temperance, with shaolin levels of self-discipline, stay away from this particular pot of kool-aid; otherwise you WILL begin to assume that if dose X has effect Y, then, gee, dose nX must have effect nY. that’s a slippery slope indeed.
fyi, there is no moral tone at all to this post; i think the very notion of steroids as a moral issue is fatuous.
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hGH is really, really, really expensive, and is therefore an incredibly stupid investment for anyone too young to remember watching man take one small step while mankind took one giant leap.
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finally, with all this balco noise, the feds are paying a lot of attention to steroids these days. are you willing to risk being the fall guy when the shit hits the fan?
just because you’re not a drug warrior doesn’t mean there isn’t a drug war.
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Just remember, with HGH comes “GH Gut”. As far as I understand it, HGH literally makes some or all of your organs grow, including your gut.
So you can have a “6-pack” and be bloated at the same time. Just do a check on Google Images for what I am talking about.
One easy way to tell is to see the old-school bodybuilders doing the “vacuum” pose and seeing the guys today. Basically, the guys today simply can’t do a vacuum pose because they all have GH gut (the vacuum pose involves the guy raising his arms above his head with his hands behind his head and sucking in his stomach).
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Oh, and I have said this before and I will say it again:
Do not be afraid of Saturated Fat and Cholesterol.
They are very important for creating “T”.
Back in the day, Vince Gironda said that the best meal was simply 4 eggs (Cholesterol) and butter (Sat. Fat and Cholesterol).
And, yes, the Anabolic Diet (Metabolic Diet/Anabolic Solution) is a great diet. As is the Natural Hormonal Enhancement diet by Rob Faigin.
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There is some good info here so far. I would defininately agree that injectable test is the way to go with an anti-aromitase later in your cycle.
Test is heavy duty so a little goes along way. It’s hard not up your dosage when you are feeling bulletproof.
But as usual, get your diet and training right first. I encourage you to post an average training week so people who have walked this path can give you their informed opinion.
The forums at bodyrecomposition dot com are a good source of GOOD info.
And HGH is crap. Way overpriced for any effects you may recieve.
Good luck……..
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Andrew Sullivan swears by them . . . draw your own conclusions.
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Don’t steroids shrink your junk?
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This post says a great deal about roissy and what he’s really like as a person. I’m utterly convinced he’s a fragile personality that needs more approval than one could possibly provide.
This is quite laughable, really.
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there is some excellent information here. my commenters know how to drop knowledge.
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You can get the effects you want without the drugs if you’re willing to work hard with short intense workouts.
take a look at http://www.crossfit.com
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Start with creatine, the gateway drug to ‘roids. I used it when I went back to the gym after 2 years off, and it works. It helps you remain pain-free after workouts, and cuts the recovery time way back, so you can stack. I still keep a bottle around just in case!
I’d also reiterate what UL says-don’t be afraid of saturated fats. Try a tablespoon of coconut oil every day.
From the users I’ve talked to, HGH is overpriced and overrated.
Try to stay as drug-free as possible. The physical side effects (‘roid chin, pumpkin head, BB-balls, etc.) can be disheartening.
J5 is right about ‘roids behaviors. Gyms floors are littered with guys who were just dabbling, got to liking the size and strength gains, and went off the hook. There’s a guy at my gym now, retired 54-year old who has become a walking pharmacy, but has about 4% body fat.
The shit works, which is why we’re talking about it.
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By the way, I meant “stack” as in stack the plates on the bar, not the steroid users stack!
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Steroids are a drug, like any other, legal or not.
I’m stating the obvious, but they have benefits and drawbacks like any other. Hell, tylenol will kill you if you take to much of the stuff.
But, the larger question is what are your goals, why are you taking the drug, and what is your ability to control your intake to prevent an unhealthy response (and what do you personally consider an unhealthy response).
Cocaine makes for a great party drug. It also comes with some rather substantial drawbacks, not the least of which it’s freaking expensive.
Anyone who has fucked on ectasy will absolutely sing it’s praises, but again, is it worth the cost? both physical and monetary?
I’m not comparing steroids to these drugs per se, but I’m pointing out that each has something users may very much want at the time of consumption and which other users may very much regret at a later date.
I lift regularily; steroids are not my thing, but I know guys who do them, and the benefits cannot be denied. But I also find them a little beta for anyone other than a professional athelete who makes his/her living with their body. To take steroids for appearance/”getting an edge” reason is, one way or another, a vanity call. Plus, maybe I’m lazy, but I could never be bothered learning all the ins and outs of stacking, cycling, and the stuff you take to prevent bitch tits.
I’d rather just lift hard (and smart), eat right, and live my life. But I’m no paragon: I partied my ass off on some pretty hard core shit back in my early twenties and loved every minute of it, right until one of my best friends failed out of college because he couldn’t control himself.
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If you’re taking ‘roids, and you’re not playing football, then you’re a beta.
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Willy… wanna explain how body building in general is any more or less beta than steroids? They do the same thing but in different ways.
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How do you reconcile your desire to improve yourself through artificial means — steroids — with your dismissal of women who seek to do the same with breast implants? That’s not rhetorical; I’m genuinely curious about how you parse the differences between what seem like two similar situations.
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Roissy is being pretty rational here, I think. The desire to spend tons of time and energy prowling for strange pussy is testosterone-fueled. As your test winds down with age, the tradeoff will seem less worthwhile and enjoyable, which is one reason why most guys start wanting marriage more in their late 30s/early 40s. So if you want to keep prowling the clubs and picking up girls, a testosterone supplement makes sense. Maybe even more for that — energy, sex drive, desire to play the game — than for bodybuilding.
Aren’t there all kinds of doctors who specialize in “aging therapy” and prescribe things like steroids?
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“Fundamentalist preachers get caught blowing strangers in the bushes.”
Marlboro Man
*DEAD*
Falls to the ground in a fit of giggles
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So if you want to keep prowling the clubs and picking up girls, a testosterone supplement makes sense. Maybe even more for that — energy, sex drive, desire to play the game — than for bodybuilding.
devil’s advocate sez: there’s something to be said for losing the desire to prowl after a certain age, or at least for letting it fade into a certain degree of moderation. the ability to focus on other areas of life is a good thing.
most of the men whom i’ve known personally and whose accomplishments i admire the most are blessed with perspicacity, foresight, forbearance, wisdom, … and moderate sex drives.
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Roissy,
I agree with the other comments that advocate strict eating and lifting before drugs. That said, doing so takes time — often years — to achieve, hence many skip right to using steroids. Creatine may be a good place to start, however, since you may find that your body may respond quite positively with the results you desire. Likewise, many of the compound lifting movements (e.g., squats, deadlifts and bench), combined with adequate rest and a healthy diet, can produce significant increases in testosterone and growth hormone without the need for external supplementation.
For some basics on steroids, you may want to consult some of the writings of Dan Duchaine (RIP):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Duchaine
http://www.danduchaine.com/
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42: this has been the traditional attitude of philosophers for thousands of years. The Greek philosophers saw the decline in sex drive with age as a form of liberation from slavery.
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“The forums at bodyrecomposition dot com are a good source of GOOD info.”
That was your best suggestion on this entire thread. Hell, you may be a member there already. The Relationships board would be right up your alley as well. Anyway.
Other points of interest:
– HGH is completely different from testosterone. Not worth your trouble, unless the doses are very small and used for anti-aging.
– Crossfit. HA! WTFever.
– I have lifted with MANY guys that used steroids and have seen the good and bad side of it. Low dose, cycling on and off would be the way to go. If you’re over 40 and not producing anymore spawn, then there’s no reason to go off.
– The untold benefits. You are essentially hormonally an alpha while on. Best way to describe it – a general sense of well being. Assuming you aren’t loading up on deca, you want to fuck anything that moves (probably should be a warning on test about waking up with beasts). Also, in the weight room, your “fear” of the weights will likely go away, and likely permanently.
– Source is everything. I have seen very low doses of good shit change people’s lives and very high doses of other sources do little.
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Roissy, I don’t want to moralize here, and your openness to experimenting doesn’t in my eyes take away from your blog’s overall message. That said, I think once you gather the information you’re looking for, you should take some time to carefully weigh the risks versus the return you’d get from it. As you correctly note, building muscle will give you tremendous benefits beyond raising your superficial attractiveness to women. My guess though is that these benefits will be more significant and more permanent if you build naturally. The undesirable side effects will also be pretty much nonexistent.
One thing to keep in mind that you may not read elsewhere is that life gets busy. If you have to travel someplace and then have a particularly long work week, you can get out of the habit for a week or two. If you’ve bulked up naturally, you don’t have to worry about the hormonal shocks to your system, and you can keep most of your gains without vigorous workouts. If you’ve used chemical enhancements, a two-week break at the wrong time can create some real complications and a more serious reduction in size.
It’s your call, obviously. You may be surprised though at what waking up 45 minutes early and attacking the weights hard according to a proven training schedule can do for you.
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Just say no to drugs. Except pain killers. Soon I will share THE leading edge health discovery. Nothing to take, nothing to do, nothing to apply……
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So I’d stopped by a few times to see if you had mentioned Rina’s disappearance, and this post provoked me to unretire.
First, even though I think you’re an ass, it still worries me when people, even those I dislike, don’t relate to their body/aging in a healthy way. What you’ve written makes me worry that you’re one of them.
But since I don’t think I’ve ever successfully talked you out of/into anything, here goes the more practical advice.
1. As someone said upthread, you might prefer T to steroids. In the correct dose, it can block spermatogenesis, which makes for a hell of a form of back-up birth control. I know someone who used that method (with a doctor’s help) for three years successfully.
2. Needles aren’t as bad as you think. I used to hate them, until I had to get bloodwork every week for a month running. I got over it, and you probably would too, as someone upthread suggested.
3. Get a full panel of bloodwork done to see if there is anything you can correct. B vitamin deficiencies, zinc deficiencies, anemia, or copper or lead toxicity can all cause fatigue, lack of focus etc. (Too little copper is also a problem. Go fig.) I recently discovered that some unpleasantness/fatigue I’m experiencing is probably due to the copper piping in my building at work.
4. Some people react poorly to steroids. I am one of them. I took albuterol in my teens, and began severely bruising. I looked down at my hands at one point, and thought I had somehow gotten blue and purple ink all over them. I took prednisone this year, and had to go off of it because my kidneys basically stopped working. (On the third day I took it. Prednisone can make your body dump potassium and retain sodium, btw.) Of course, I’m a freak, Benadryl makes me hallucinate, but my point is know the side effects cold so that if they start happening you don’t ignore them. Not to stereotype, but men tend to not go to doctors until things are beyond the crisis point. That was why, when I was in the military, there were four documented cases of men dying of gangrene due to an ingrown toenail. I do not believe there is a single documented case of a female doing the same. So don’t alpha your way through side affects, ‘kay?
I’m good friends with a personal trainer who is an expert on this stuff; he’s out of town for the next couple weeks or so, but when he gets back I’ll see if he’ll be willing to post/send you an email about the things you can do nutritionally to balance the side affects.
This isn’t moralizing, it is concern. It ain’t about right or wrong, but about safety/health. Think VERY CAREFULLY about why you want to do this, and what it is you think you’ll be getting from this.
I once knew an anorexic runner (a he). He was so skinny that his face looked like a rictus as times. I asked him if he would like himself still if he gained 10 pounds. (Which would have made him lean, but healthy or close to it.) He said no. If that makes sense to you, get help.
-M. Bradwell, feminist and scary-good biologist
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Weezil – Perhaps you’d like to expound on your awesome critique of Crossfit. I’m open to rational arguments, but it’s hard for us to learn anything meaningful from “WTFever” unless what we’re learning is abount you.
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Sexy time is best when stone cold sober and healthy as a race horse. THAT is what you should be looking into roissy. Not the EASY way out, because there is NO easy way out. The bottom line? Don’t be an idiot just because other people are. People who do as your thinking are a “health” marketers dream come true.
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I think roissy has made it pretty clear that he plans to be an idiot, meaning he always was.
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Narcissists like roissy are fundamentally weak people.
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It is most amusing reading uneducated morons’ replies about a subject they know nothing about.
albuterol and prednisone made me wet my pampers, therefore all steroids are terrible !!! bad bad bad steroids:D
oh lord. how laughable.
just get on juice already. everyone does it. olympics and pro sports have always depended on juice.
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My point was just to be aware of the side affects. I pointed out that I was an atypical user, and prone to hypersensitivity to drugs.
And when I said kidneys stopped functioning, as you might have noted by the comment about sodium retention, I was referring to not being able to excrete any water. Dumbass.
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“Weezil – Perhaps you’d like to expound on your awesome critique of Crossfit. I’m open to rational arguments, but it’s hard for us to learn anything meaningful from “WTFever” unless what we’re learning is abount you.”
You may be correct that certain effects Roissy is looking for can be attained naturally, but for many effects, Crossfit is in NO way an adequate substitue for steroids, despite Crossfit’s claims to the contrary. Anyone offering a contrary opinion is trying to sell you something or justify their own choice in cults. Crossfit is a great program for the general population (high-rep, sloppy form faux-olympic lifting aside), but in no way can it compete with steroids with regard to muscle building, fat loss, or sex drive. Anything you can pull from Pubmed to the contrary would definitely enlighten me.
Now on to the other comments. Holy hell. Glad to see the steroid propagandizers out in force on this thread. They will smoke, drink alcohol and caffeine, take pain killers, use birth control pills, break traffic laws, shop endlessly for the perfect $200 pair of jeans, yet tell you that using a hormone is not “natural” or “fair” or “safe”. Some gems:
“Sexy time is best when stone cold sober and healthy as a race horse. THAT is what you should be looking into roissy. Not the EASY way out, because there is NO easy way out. The bottom line? Don’t be an idiot just because other people are. People who do as your thinking are a “health” marketers dream come true.”
Yes, that’s why test users never complain about how horny they are all the time or note that women take much more interest in them when they’re on than when they’re off. Oh wait…they do. Sorry. I don’t see how 250mg of test enanthate a week a few weeks out of the year is unhealthy or an easy way out. Driving a car is an easy way out of walking to work and also pretty unhealthy.
“Narcissists like roissy are fundamentally weak people.”
How does this comment relate to the subject at hand? Is there something inherently “weak” in using science to enhance one’s life? Is there a big fairy in the sky issuing citations for not doing everything completely “naturally”? I am confused.
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Sara, race horses are just like any other professional athlete: high strung, trained to within an inch of breakdown, and FAR from drug free.
The mix of drugs in a thoroughbred’s system would make Barry Bonds blush!
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fear of hugeness is beta. being the largest male is inherently alpha. people instinctively respect size, even when much of it is fat. this is because in societies where people aren’t sedentary, that means there is also a large amount of lean muscle underneath. and it’s even true to a good extent today. so don’t get obese, but put on some bulk. people will react to you differently, and you will think of yourself differently. don’t be that nervous little chihuahua, be the calm, relaxed pit bull.
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55 Pope “Is there a big fairy in the sky issuing citations for not doing everything completely “naturally”? I am confused.”
The ‘big FAIRY in the sky’ is just NATURE itself. Nothing a big man like you could not overcome I imagine. LOL Perhaps you are under the delusion that you can conquer it. It is true that if you consistently introduce substances incompatible with your body, your body WILL adjust to them and even crave them. Which is WHY when you actively remove toxic chemicals, heavy metals. parasites, yeast, etc. from your body you will 99 times out of 100 feel much worse during the process. Your body is having to readjust to the removal of something it has come to expect. Amazing machinery we are endowed with. So if you think it’s harmless to ingest something like steroids you will probably get away with it to some degree, but at what price? BTW I love my kahlua and coffee. Pick your poison.
Have read about STUDIES that claim people with Alzheimers have five times as much mercury and three times as much aluminum as people who don’t have it. Food for thought. Yet most have “adjusted” to the mercury and aluminum, and I’m about 85% toxin free after four months of detoxing and am feeling 100% better. My body is much happier for it, and I’ve got MORE men sniffing around now wanting a piece of it. I guess most women would just get a face lift or a boob job.
56 Brutus
You are right of course about the race horses. It dawned on me after I hit enter.
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Weezil – Thanks for the reply. It’s exactly because Roissy stated what he was seeking that I mentioned Crossfit. I concur that crossfit cannot compete with steroids in mass/strength building, sex drive, etc. I did a cycles of dianabol in the early eighties when you could get the real deal. Gained 25lbs of muscle and literally 100’s of lbs of strength in a very short time. I researched it as well as one could back then and decided it was a risk worth taking for me at the time. however, my physical ideal was much different then – bulky and ripped then as opposed to lean and functional now.
Crossfit gets a bad rap (maybe deservedly) from some of the claims that are made for it. I’m not a kool aid drinker. What i believe is that the standard cardio workouts combined with isolation moves – curls, extensions, etc. – aren’t as effective as multi-joint, functional movements done at high intensity for developing work capacity and power (work/time) capacity which in turn has a natural endocrine response of increased testosterone with all of its effects.
This response, although nothing like one gets chemically, can still have powerful muscle and “alpha” impacts on an adult male.
Diet is another thing, but this already too long.
Take a look at this article for a look into how small cosmetic actions can have large hormonal impacts
http://tinyurl.com/56altt
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sara,
Do you really not have any idea of how badly you are being conned by your “mercury cleansers” and “detoxification” diets and treatments? They tell you that “if you feel worse, it’s because you became dependent on mercury” (or whatever) at the same time if you feel better it’s because, guess what, you’ve gotten rid of the bad toxic mercury. Kinda hard to go wrong if you can convince gullible people of that, isn’t it?
You say you’re 85% toxin free. How did you measure that? Blood test? Are you going to a doctor for this treatment or a spiritual healer? Because “alternative medicine” treatments for “mercury toxicity” actually make mercury more bioavailable and can do damage (from wikipedia):
“Alternative medicine makes use of these same substances along with others, such as vitamin C (ascorbic acid), EDTA and “high sulfur foods”. However, it has been shown that inorganic mercury (Hg2+) bound to EDTA (a necessary step in EDTA-induced mercury chelation) forms a complex (HgEDTA) that is “potentially injurious to the neuronal cytoskeleton””
Oh well, I guess these are just “studies” and you can make your own truth, right?
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60 Steve
“Oh well, I guess these are just “studies” and you can make your own truth, right?”
Oh well, I guess you got me there. No, actually I know much more on the subject than you realize. Look up NCD (Natural Cellular Defense) and Takara Detox Foot Patches. Between those two things, I’m doing great. YOU are the one who is duped like the masses into a state of drooling, mindless submission. Sorry, I like the way that sounded. LOL
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60 Steve
The mercury was diagnosed using electrodermal screening. Something you will probably think is bullshit, though it has been proven to ME and it’s accuracy VERIFIED with laboratory tests. A friend here where I live was on my case for years about the mercury and I thought it was bullshit too. The dentist said it was not a problem, my DOCTOR tested me with the electrodermal screening machine and it was NEGATIVE for mercury. My friend said it would probably NOT show up on laboratory tests either because it HIDES in your cells unless you are actively pulling it OUT of your cells with an effective detox method, OR had a RECENT high exposure. I was using the foot patches for two weeks with no symptoms and all of a sudden was having quite SEVERE symptoms. I knew it was detox symptoms having done other detoxes. When I was RETESTED with the electrodermal screening machine, mercury was very HIGH.
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So your mecury is UP and the product is supposed to make it go DOWN? Confused. I didn’t realize mercury hides. What else hides? Did anyone look for Osama there?
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63 Michael
“So your mecury is UP and the product is supposed to make it go DOWN?”
You’re not reading for comprehension. I was explaining the process of how mercury HIDES, then SHOWS UP in the process of removing it. Got that? After months of detoxing it is now DOWN significantly. Feel better?
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I don’t suppose there is a way to know whether your explanation is true or whether the treatment first adds, then slowly removes mercury from your body?
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They will smoke, drink alcohol and caffeine, take pain killers, use birth control pills, break traffic laws, shop endlessly for the perfect $200 pair of jeans, yet tell you that using a hormone is not “natural” or “fair” or “safe”.
I don’t actually do any of those things you mentioned, but I will say that I don’t really give a crap what other people do with their bodies as long as they control their alcohol or steroid-induced rages, don’t smoke around me, and don’t run me over in their cars.
In fact I think this blog would get a lot more interesting if Roissy did start doing roids and started documenting the changes. I’d love for this to turn into a mini druggie documentary!
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65 Michael,
No way it adds mercury to your body. NO way. Mercury is
#3 on the EPA hazardous waste list with only lead and arsenic being more toxic. The detox foot patches, though not FDA approved, are FDA registered. Many have had their patches laboratory tested for toxins. A Japanese woman took 26 years to develop them. She earned the highest award they give for new inventions in Japan.
http://www.takarapatch.com/?src=google
http://www.japanesedetoxfootpatch.com/product-info.html
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/cxcx3.html
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Wow, FDA registered.
According to the FDA’s web site, that takes $1,706 (weird number huh?) and an address.
The foot patches are a great example of a product that is such a scam that even the manufacture knows that most people who are gullible enough to buy it in the first place will figure it out. They offer that if you buy the first few for full price, you can get more for a really low price afterwards. Things that actually work have the opposite pricing; cheap up front as a demonstration, expensive afterward.
Good luck with those pads sucking mercury through the soles of your feet.
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“hey offer that if you buy the first few for full price, you can get more for a really low price afterwards. ”
You’re looking at the knock-offs, not the Takara brand. Many are trying to steal the original formula and make a buck. So the FDA registration is not such a big deal? What about the laboratory testing? No? You’re just wanting to discredit me and you have not done a very good job of it. So, stay toxic! I care, but not enough to argue about it further. Maybe someone else reading this will get the point.
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I haven’t read this but it’s about NCD (Natural Cellular Defense) which is another way to remove toxins from your body. Am using this and the foot patches with great success and greatly reduced detox symptoms. Big surprise here: your MD knows nothing about this.
http://www.naturalnews.com/015232.html
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Tolerable.
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Roissy: Only an average person needing to appear unique and powerful uses steroids and HGH. Why not face your average, ordinariness, and try to relax?
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I’ve always been one too disagree with the use of roids, solely on the basis that it seems like cheating. However the most recent Rambo movie changed my opinion on this. If they can give Stallone a better body at 60 something than i have at 24, they all power to ya man.
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73 cupojohan
“If they can give Stallone a better body at 60 something than i have at 24, they all power to ya man.
The power is in the ROIDS, not the man. Duh!
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Read this article:
http://www.t-nation.com/article/atomic_dog/steroids_forever
Then check out this forum on Testosterone Nation:
http://www.t-nation.com/tmagnum/category.jsp?categoryID=40&pageNo=1&s=forumsNavTop
Read this post first:
http://www.t-nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=354419
Read up first, then if you have questions you should post them in the forums – but if you sound like an uninformed Newb you’ll be ignored and/or ridiculed.
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http://commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/
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From a 2004 study at the University Hospital Freiburg, GERMANY
“The findings reviewed here should have made plausible that the potential association between mercury and Alzheimer’s disease should be one of prime importance, since the public health impact is enormous.”
http://www.nel.edu/pdf_/25_5/NEL240504R01_Mutter_.pdf
If you want to cite American Studies that say “don’t worry, be happy, mercury will not hurt you!” just remember how long it took for the tobacco studies to have an impact and what the vested interests are and the enormous cost to insurance companies, not to mention possible lawsuits that would incur were it proven here that people are having their health systematically ruined.
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Thanks Sara – I just read this whole comment thread to find out who was the dumbass who was saying “mercury will not hurt you” only to find out it was a big, giant straw man. Damn it – you owe me 5 minutes back. I’d suggest non-opiate painkillers.
I’m still trying to figure out how it went to “what do people think about steroids” to “mercury won’t hurt you, and I have STUDIES (love the capitalization for emphasis BTW; very convincing) to PROVE it.” (quotes paraphrased)
Roissy – funny blog BTW, glad Tyler Cowen made the post. I thought his post was tongue-in-cheek, but still led to my finding this, so good thing….
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77 BB
““mercury won’t hurt you, and I have STUDIES (love the capitalization for emphasis BTW; very convincing) to PROVE it.” (quotes paraphrased)”
Ahem double dumb ass, I’m the dumbass citing the studies who prove it IS harmful. Guess the caps aren’t enough. LOL
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77 BB
If I knew how to highlight or use italics I would. Caps is the only method I know to emphasize a word. Why? Because I just don’t care enough to learn the “RIGHT” way.
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SORRY, BB, but I am such a bitch and just can’t help it. Roissy and I are both evil; hence the attraction.
Maybe how we ‘digressed’ from talking about whether or not roissy should artificially enhance his masculinity and ability to get laid by using steroids; from the boring subject of how to possibly prevent yourself or someone you know from allowing their brains to be killed via mercury induced Alzheimer’s Disease, is that Sara (the dumbass) is too dumb to stick to the important subject of how to help roissy get laid more often. *smile*
(BTW, just about everything I write here comes with a smile.)
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Sara,
Glad you’re the dumbass citing the studies, but given my point was that you’re making a straw man I was emphasizing that no one had claimed that mercury wasn’t harmful. Reminds me of how back in college our student government passed meaningful resolutions against child prostitution in Southeast Asia – I guess to distinguish themselves from all of the proponents running around on our campus… Or like those clever fellows who preach on the street corner, arguing to the wind against this or that atrocity or to save your eternal soul. And now I’m adding to the digression. Shame on me…
BB
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82 BB
You missed my point completely. I only hope at least one person takes me seriously as far as removing mercury from their brains and body. I know BTW that everyone KNOWS mercury is harmful. But how many are telling you, that in fact it’s harming YOUR particular body, and that you NEED to get it OUT of your body and how to do that? That was my effin’ point.
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Sara,
Shame on me once more, but a little advice: don’t waste your (and by extension, our) time arguing points with which everyone agrees. For your little crusade, you’d be far better off arguing why your supposed miracle cure actually works, and offering studies showing that it is in fact effective and produces these better health outcomes. The rest is bothersome noise, which makes people less likely to listen to any of your points. And that’s it from me on this topic.
BB
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http://www.naturalnews.com/015232.html
http://www.takarapatch.com/Analysis.pdf
http://www.consumerwatchreview.com/footpatchreview.htm
http://www.angelakilmartin.com/blog.html
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm
84 BB
Okay. That’s it. If this doesn’t convince you to take it seriously and do more research if you want, nothing will. Most on this site love arguing; and I mean love it. Bottom line, it’s a waste of time as analysis will only lead us in endless circles. Either you get this or you don’t. I’m out of here. You’re welcome.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalgam_controversy
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Roissy,
Llewellyn’s Anabolics 200[x] is a good guide to steroids, with brand name info, how to detect counterfeits, and much else.
T-Nation’s got some good info, esp. in its forums, but also a lot of stupidity. Boards and forums online are in general really iffy.
HGH is worthless, too expensive, with potentially disastrous side effects. Don’t do it.
Steroids to consider for moderate gains, hardening of muscle, maintenance of muscle during cutting (fat loss): primobolan (oral and injectable versions, very expensive); deca durabolin (injectable, many related types as well), but watch for the depression and sex drive reduction–don’t use it by itself; orals are harder on the liver, the classic and original and still very useful dianabol is your best bet here, start with small doses (as little as 10mg/day), don’t do it for too long (no more than 4 wks).
Testosterone (steroids are NOT test, they’re analogs) only comes as injectables. Best bets: test cypionate or test enanthate, because they last a while due to their ester form, and they don’t hurt when being injected. Test proprionate does, as do most forms of water-based test suspension (which is just basic test, not an ester). Very unpleasant burning sensation, achey hurty somebodypunchedmeintheinjectionsite feeling for days after.
Steroid gains from the quality drugs like primobolan can last, test gains tend to be more ephemeral, with the general rule being the more you push yourself beyond what your skeleton wants to carry the more your body will resist growing. Test causes hair to fall out, acne on the back, water retention. Orals tend to be bad that way too.
Use aromatase inhibitors and post-cycle therapy. Read up on how to do that, since there’s controversy (last time I checked) over the usefulness of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin for PCT.
Eat ultra-clean, lift hard and often, but watch your joints. They can get overworked with the strength you’ll start feeling.
And boy, will you start feeling it. First cycle is the best, your mood will improve, libido, appetite, desire to work out, strength, energy, recovery time, all will get better fast. As a slightly older guy, you might actually feel more of a kick than a 20 year old would.
Some good online sources, but I’d rather not point them out to you. If you check out sources for William Llewellyn, you might come across links to some very slick, reliable online Euro outfits. But…that’s getting into illegality, and I could never advise you to do anything like that.
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http://www.osc.gov/documents/press/2004/pr04_07.htm
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http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_ingredients.htm
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Roissy…
Get over that needle phobia. Oral steriods will leave you wanting and will wreck your liver. The first few sticks might be horrifying, but if you are not a closet beta you can face that fear and move on.
There is a wealth of information online about how to do proper injections. It’s not as complicated as you think and it’s pretty hard to fuck it up if you spend about 45 minutes doing your homework and learning some basic anatomy. (www.spotinjections.com is a good place to start)
Anyway, run a light cycle of…
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml 2x weekly
and
Equipoise 250mg 3x weekly
Take the EQ M/W/F and the Test-E T/Th for a cycle of 16 weeks.
Run Nolvadex 20mg every day as an anti-estrogen throughout and run Clomid 100mg during the last week of your cycle.
Stack novladex 20mg ED and Clomid 50mg ED for one month post cycle.
You can run this once a year, keep a healthy workout schedule of 3-5 times a week and have an athletic body, better skin, a sharper mind and a longer life.
I have run this exact routine for 3 years every spring and I have a respectable, un-freakish 6’2, 185 pound frame at about 7-9% body fat. I am not genetically predisposed to having this body naturally (I started at about 170).
I spend 45 (hard) minutes a day at the gym, 3 days a week, year round.
In this way you control your body, instead of letting your body (and gym time) control you. Plenty of time left for more important things.
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Roissy
I’ll add a warning to #91’s recommendations. Be careful to get Nolvadex, a controlled substance, rather than Novedex, a drug cocktail you can buy at the store. Nolvadex binds directly to the estrogen receptor and inhibits it. Novedex inhibits the aromatase enzyme which helps catalyze the formation of estrogen and estrogenic compounds. Even testosterone has limited estrogenic properties so you want the binding site on your estrogen receptors occupied when you have a ton of extra androgens in your system.
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Roissy; most of the advice you have been given here is utter nonsense. I came to this late, but allow me to hip you to what I think you want to know. You’re presumably looking for the anti-aging properties imparted by anabolics. Maybe a little more lean, maybe a little more muscle; much more vitality as a result.
Probably the best beginner cycle from a safeness and easiness point of view is going to be anavar. There are all manner of OTC anabolics which do the same thing, but are far more toxic and androgenic (meaning your hair will fall out and your balls will shrink): use the fucking anavar. I made the mistake of using inferior toxic oral androgens; do yourself a favor and don’t repeat my mistake. Anavar costs more than anything else and is totally worth the price. You can get it online fairly safely. Anavar will jack your liver and lipids (no drinking holmes; not during the therapy or post cycle therapy), but less than most orals. Use a good SERM as post cycle therapy/PCT. For anavar PCT, I recommend toremifene. Anavar is safe enough they give it to chicks, children and AIDS patients. Love your body; give it anavar. Short cycles; no more than 6 weeks. You’ll thank me for this advice some day. Leave all other orals alone; for reals. If you want to do your liver and lipids a favor, R-ALA, N-acetyl-cytesine and large amounts of fish oil while you’re on anavar and afterwords. Useful adjuncts available in any health food store.
Most old timers will tell you to do a mild cycle of test. Test is great; it is man juice for reals. It has big problems though. If you wuss out and do it transdermally, say hello to fur-like body hair. If you have MPB, say goodbye to your hairline. Finesteride will help, but I don’t like what that shit does to a man. Testosterone may also bloat the hell out of you, and if you don’t take an anti-aromatase and keep nolvadex on hand, you’ll grow baloney moobs to go with your new muscles. Long esters are also a mistake if you don’t know how to PCT properly, which is actually a lot more complicated to do right than people generally admit. And it really sucks jabbing yourself with test suspension or proprionate with those giant needles, if you ramp down from a long ester (enthanate, cypionate) with suspension.
There is a bewildering variety of hormones you can stick yourself with. For steroids, I think the only important injectable ones besides test are trenbolone and boldenone (and orals are all poison, except for anavar). Trenbolone must be mixed with test, and is really all you will ever need; whether you want to become a monster, a lean dude or just younger and better looking, which is what I use it for. Tren is considered fairly hard core and dangerous, requires several other adjuncts on hand (letrozole, cabergoline, cialis), and you should study a lot before you consider using it. Upsides; it’s quasi legal (like test), and IMO, it gives the greatest bang for the buck. Cutting or bulking; it just depends on how much food you put in your mouth. I use it in quick 5 week cycles. It will make you god-like faster than anything else. Boldenone is unfortunately only available as a long ester (I’ve never done it for this reason), but it’s a fairly mild and healthy drug. If you can do it with a test ramp at the end; it’s a nice win. Want a UFC/boxer’s build? Many of them get it with boldenone. Not much need for adjuncts with the equipoise. Many of my bros just roll with 8 week cycles of bold when they need a lift in their manliness. Sort of like a mild, but long anavar cycle without the liver toxicity. I’d front load if it was me. I’ll try this one of these days.
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continuing:
For any steroid cycle, the most crucial part for your long term well being is going to be PCT. I’ve used all the SERMs. The best of them is toremifene. Clomid is horrible psychologically, but it also works well. Upside of clomid; you will finally understand what it is like to be a woman. Personally, clomid has given me a lot of sympathy for the poor things; they feel like that ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Perhaps experiencing a clomid PCT might be good medicine for your game -it was for me. For trenbolone, you need some clomid; one of the horrible things about tren. Nolvadex works too, but unless you have a bad case of bitch tits, I’d avoid it; toxic shit. People who shoot long esters almost always fuck up their PCT by not understanding how exponential half lives work. Study this very carefully, and don’t listen to people who don’t understand math. Anti-aromatase like arimidex or letrozole is for when you’re on testosterone or coming off it. Otherwise, there’s no place for this stuff in a PCT. Not the OTC ones like ATD either, which are just crappy versions of letrozole. Anti-aromatases are quite bad for you; avoid if you can. There are a couple of authors who have influenced me on the subject of PCT. A must-read for long term health is Nelson Montana. Arthur Rea’s short cycles and PCT’s have also influenced me, but he’ll probably confuse the crap out of you if you read him before everything else. There’s a lot of stuff you just have to pick up, also. Also, the best forum there is: anabolicminds.com -go there and read lots, and ask lots of smart questions.
Someone mentioned SARM’s. These are very exciting drugs for the reason the other poster said, and they’re grey market in legality, so they’re easy and safe to buy. However; they are also highly experimental. I’d wait until more lab rats take them before experimenting, myself. They have weird and poorly understood side effects, like possibly going blind.
IGF-1lr3 is also quasi legal at present. It’s insanely strong shit, and you shouldn’t take it until you really know what you’re doing. It is in no way equivalent to HGH. They are related in some of their effects, but not the same thing at all. There’s a dude on anabolic minds with a sticky thread on the subject; his name’s Grunt76. Do what his sticky thread says if you want to use this stuff. It’s something to keep in your freezer in case you need it, but for chrissakes, don’t just take it to grow a little muscle. It’s for injuries and post cycle therapy (it grows your nuts -unfortunately it grows a lot of other shit too if you don’t know what you’re doing); its anti-aging, fat loss and body building effects should be side effects of its use during injury or PCT. I’m glad I tried it, but it’s not going to become a regular habit.
HGH is, as someone pointed out, pretty damn expensive, and can have some bad side effects. See how ugly Stalone is these days? That’s because he was shooting loads of the stuff and it grew the bones in his face. Lots of ugly movie stars got that way from taking HGH for fat loss and anti-aging. On the other hand, it’s really great for anti-aging purposes. Doing steroids, you’re going to get huge bursts of HGH; the easiest way to jack your HGH levels is by taking steroids. That said, I’m presently screwing around with GHRP-6, and am extremely pleased with the results so far. It’s safer than large amounts of HGH for a bunch of reasons you can read about elsewhere, and a hell of a lot cheaper. A stack with CJC-1295 or GRF(1-29) will radically increase its effectiveness, and isn’t as scary as it sounds, though these are more experimental drugs. GHRP-6 is like candy; they give it to kids. I’ll probably do small amounts of this, or something like it until I die of old age. Most anti-aging pills in the works are based on how GHRP-6 works.
There’s all kinds of stuff I could say about diet and exercise to go with your “vitamins,” but you’re an intelligent fellow who can fill in the blanks. This here is should be a good lesson in amateur endrocrinology for a schlong meister type who just wants to look and feel a bit younger. If you want to puff up like a distressed blowfish, well, you’ll need to read a lot more. I don’t recommend it; makes you look stupid in a suit, and dying young would suck.
Good health to you sir. Long may you roger worthy females.
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