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Why I Love Abortion

June 4, 2008 by CH

Lost in the culture war clamor and feminist breast-beating is the fact that abortion has been very, VERY good for men, especially alphas who play the field. Think about the upsides:

  • Abortion is a handy dandy escape hatch for men.

Sure, men aren’t the ultimate judge, jury and executioner of the fetus; that is a special privilege afforded only women — for now. (I’d like to see men have the legal right to abort their financial responsibility for any unwanted pregnancies. In the interest of fairness, you see.) But men have the next best thing — an open invitation and legal sanction for women to do the dirty work and absolve them of 18 years of imprisonment. It’s a bit of a crapshoot to rely on a woman’s whim, but it’s leagues better than accidentally impregnating a woman and having zero recourse to rectify the situation.

Anyhow, as a man, if you fuck around a lot, you’ll thank your libertine god that abortion exists as a viable alternative to forced fatherhood. Pro-choice means pro-player.

  • Abortion is eugenic.

In theory, at least. In practice, as it is utilized in present day America, it’s more or less neutral, as those who would most benefit society by cleansing their wombs of the next generation are still going on to have more kids than their betters. But once people accept that our genetic heritage accounts for much of who we are (and with the science advancing in that direction by leaps and bounds it’s just a matter of time), abortion will come to be seen as a convenient method for ensuring only the prime grade A progeny make it through the vaginal canal.

  • Abortion is the cure for what ails ya.

With constantly improving embryonic screening techniques for genetic or physical abnormalities, our gloriously abortifacient new world offers women and the men who love them the opportunity to prevent the misery and suffering of the doomed. For what could be more cruel than knowingly bringing to life a soul trapped in a twisted body or a stunted mind, wracked with pain and shame and exposed to a lifetime of horrible torment as objects of his affection forever elude him, his heart never to pulse with requited romantic love. I have nothing but seething hatred for those parents who willingly allow the births of babies with torturous afflictions.

  • Abortion will spur anti-aging research.

The trend is couples having children later in life. But biology doesn’t care about trendiness. A 32 year old mother has a higher chance of giving birth to Quasimodo than a 23 year old mother. That is a fact. But the good times of extended adolescence are here to stay (yay!) so the growing number of older couples wanting normal healthy children, in conjunction with the child-delaying tactics of the abortion industry, will energize anti-aging research enabling people to extend every phase of their lives. If all goes well, 40 year old women may be first time mothers while still looking — and feeling — like 20 year olds.

  • Abortion keeps a woman’s body looking hot.

‘Nuff said.

Many pro-choice feminists reading this post outlining my reasons for extolling the virtues of abortion will instinctively recoil in horror, despite my agreeing with them in the abstract. They will do this because my reasoning is to the benefit of men and, secondarily, society. And feminists have no desire to see to the interests of men. Where they are busy trumpeting the “autonomy” of a woman’s body and holding up coat hangers in victory signs, I am taking their arguments to their logical conclusions. But hey, ladies, you cut a deal with the devil when you wrested the power of the grim reaper, and now you have to accept the afterbirth of that decision. You have, unwittingly, made life easier for guys like me.

When you dance with the devil, the devil don’t change…
he changes you.

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  1. on June 4, 2008 at 4:51 pm Steve Johnson

    Agree with most points except the one about abortion being eugenic. It’s actually quite dysgenic.

    Two cases where a woman gets pregnant through carelessness or accident (taken as a given that these women are going to be lower in planning and foresight):

    1) Woman looks to her future, decides she can’t support the child (or looks to her future and decides that the kid wouldn’t go well with her new purse and that she won’t get into the club with one of those baby knapsacks). Has an abortion.

    2) Woman thinks “I should have an abortion” when she realizes in month 4 that she hasn’t had her period. She never gets off her ass to actually do anything about it. Ends up giving birth because that’s the default.

    Woman 1 is likely much smarter and better at planning for the future (i.e., is higher IQ). Abortion basically eliminates the top of the lower class.

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  2. on June 4, 2008 at 4:58 pm Gannon

    Gannon opposes abortion because he consider it inmoral. Gannon is a highly moral man, but adheres to classic ethics, not postmodern ones. Abortion is the killing of an innocent being and therefore not legitimate. Only the endangering of the life of the mother seems a valid reason, because the mother can act in selfdefense. By the way, there is a discussion about Roissy on the Marginal Revolution blog, Half Sigma has a link to that blog.

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  3. on June 4, 2008 at 4:59 pm Sebastian Flyte

    Hey, Tyler Cowen thinks you’re evil man.

    http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/06/where-pretty-li.html#more

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  4. on June 4, 2008 at 4:59 pm Rain And

    It’s a bit of a crapshoot to rely on a woman’s whim…

    Depends on who your having sex with. Young, career building feminists prefer sleeping around with selfish, careless misogynists (certainly not sympathetic altruistic feminist men. Natch), and Knocked Up fantasy-land aside, virtually all of them will get an abortion when mistakes are made.

    This, by the way, is one more reason young women are superior. A senior in college or newly minted professional probably isn’t going to throw-away all the work she has invested in her goals for something she doesn’t want yet, while a 30 something, insecure over her waning opportunities for reproduction, is probably more likely to stick you with a mistake.

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  5. on June 4, 2008 at 5:03 pm Patrick Bateman

    Roissy, I agree with your reasoning and consider myself pro-choice, but how do you feel about abortion? When a woman tells me she’s had an abortion, it’s just as bad as her saying she used to smoke crack. Abortion is repugnant. I would rather date a girl who beats up old ladies for fun than one who had an abortion for non-medical reasons.

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  6. on June 4, 2008 at 5:12 pm b for beta

    I wonder how much bettr life would be had u been aborted. bet u never thought of that.

    btw:Hey u mentioned once going on a country side ride on a scooter with a chik, and how she would like it copared to gifts.
    Question: any particular suggestions in the DMV area and where can i rent a scooter? EVen if not for her, sounds like summer fun for me.

    Haha.

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  7. on June 4, 2008 at 5:40 pm Lisa

    The thing that gets me is, there are a lot of women who are more interested in exercising their right to terminate pregnancy rather than exercising their right to not get pregnant. Almost every single female my age I know has had an abortion or two. It’s a thriving industry.

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  8. on June 4, 2008 at 5:41 pm Anonymous

    Abortion? Most vicious indicator of a vicious time. And the fact that it has enabled fellows like you to have your fun for free is only a minor credit to the account of the “pro-choice” movement. Mind you, I know feminists don’t see it that way, so that when I’m trying to encourage them to see what they’ve wrought by excluding from their ranks anyone who questions the uses to which abortion is put, or its morality, I sometimes refer them to your website. Be careful about making yourself too obvious, or you’ll shoot yourself in the foot.

    Clio

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  9. on June 4, 2008 at 5:44 pm Sebastian Flyte

    I don’t like abortion because I like cute babies, and don’t like seeing them sucked away like dust on the floor. I think I’m genetically beta, but that’s the wonder of the game, I can fake it.

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  10. on June 4, 2008 at 5:52 pm Lemmonex

    No scared, knocked up woman has ever thought of the societal repercussions or the political complexities behind her choice…she has just made her decision (either way) to the best of her capabilities.

    Patrick, would you date a woman with a child? Do you pressure women in to having unprotected sex? You cannot have it all ways.

    Many pro-choice feminists reading this post outlining my reasons for extolling the virtues of abortion will instinctively recoil in horror, despite my agreeing with them in the abstract. They will do this because my reasoning is to the benefit of men and, secondarily, society.

    I know there is much to criticize here and in other posts of yours, yet attacking you for looking out for men is ridiculous. We are all inherently selfish people, looking out for our own best interests. Some of the things you say are dead wrong, but a lot is ugly, vicious truths. I often find myself horrified when I agree with you, but agree I do.

    Killing a fetus is not something anyone wants to contemplate deeply. It is hard to admit that if I made a decision to have an abortion, it would be to benefit me. Not the potential kid, not society, just me.

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  11. on June 4, 2008 at 5:54 pm Lemmonex

    Whoops…formatting got fucked…these are my own thoughts…

    I know there is much to criticize here and in other posts of yours, yet attacking you for looking out for men is ridiculous. We are all inherently selfish people, looking out for our own best interests. Some of the things you say are dead wrong, but a lot is ugly, vicious truths. I often find myself horrified when I agree with you, but agree I do.

    Killing a fetus is not something anyone wants to contemplate deeply. It is hard to admit that if I made a decision to have an abortion, it would be to benefit me. Not the potential kid, not society, just me.

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  12. on June 4, 2008 at 5:56 pm praxis132

    I predict that, if scientists ever discover a gay gene, most fetuses carrying the gene (i.e., two copies of the gene, so that the gene will be “expressed” in the child) will be aborted . . . which will present quite a dilemma for the limousine liberal class . . . if a limousine liberal woman 50 years hence becomes pregnant and her fetus has the gay gene, if she does carry the baby to term and gives birth, that child will have very few options for finding love and intimacy, if most other women abort fetuses with the gay gene.

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  13. on June 4, 2008 at 5:56 pm Gannon

    “Almost every single female my age I know has had an abortion or two. It’s a thriving industry.”

    Another reason to date and marry teen girls.

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  14. on June 4, 2008 at 5:57 pm Virgle Kent

    I saw Knocked Up and Juno and it seems that having a baby would be awesome… honest to blog

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  15. on June 4, 2008 at 6:01 pm Gannon

    testing

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  16. on June 4, 2008 at 6:21 pm Patrick Bateman

    Patrick, would you date a woman with a child? Do you pressure women in to having unprotected sex? You cannot have it all ways.

    I normally wouldn’t but It depends on who the father is and why he isn’t around. The only way I could date her is if the father is dead but he was high quality. Even then, I’m not sure I would want to invest energy in raising another man’s child unless the woman was very high quality. The only non-kin children I would definitely help raise are those of my friends.
    I may sometimes pressure a woman into unprotected sex, but I don’t try too hard and I’m ready to help raise my kids if I impregnate her. My paternal instincts are very strong. I’m willing to give her a reasonable amount of support, but if she tries to get more through the courts I’m also ready to leave the country once I finish grad school. My chosen profession is very international.

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  17. on June 4, 2008 at 6:29 pm alias clio

    With constantly improving embryonic screening techniques for genetic or physical abnormalities, our gloriously abortifacient new world offers women and the men who love them the opportunity to prevent the misery and suffering of the doomed. For what could be more cruel than knowingly bringing to life a soul trapped in a twisted body or a stunted mind, wracked with pain and shame and exposed to a lifetime of horrible torment as objects of his affection forever elude him, his heart never to pulse with requited romantic love. I have nothing but seething hatred for those parents who willingly allow the births of babies with torturous afflictions.

    The most truly immoral passage you’ve ever written.

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  18. on June 4, 2008 at 6:32 pm Lemmonex

    Clio: I think this is the most moral thing he has ever written. It is cruel to choose to let a person suffer in such a way and let a person live a life trapped in their own personal hell.

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  19. on June 4, 2008 at 6:38 pm jonathanjones02

    Is this what “game” is reduced to? Now, as a man who appreciates and likes feminine beauty, I understand the attraction and fun aspect of “game,” but this sort of clinical coldness is soul-killing. Life should be shared and emotionally and spiritually full of energy and life.

    Roissy, you are a good writer with insight, but this post reeks of death.

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  20. on June 4, 2008 at 6:51 pm Sebastian Flyte

    How the fuck is this moral lemmonex?

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  21. on June 4, 2008 at 6:52 pm DF

    jonathanjones02, you should be grateful you have the luxury to contemplate the “emotional and spiritually full of energy” life because its likely your forebears bludgeoned another man to get to his woman. How is that for clinical coldness?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2066554/Neolithic-men-were-prepared-to-fight-for-their-women.html

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  22. on June 4, 2008 at 6:55 pm Lemmonex

    My moral code says we are all entitled to happiness and a fair shot in this world. It is not moral to knowingly confine someone to a wheel chair. This is why I find it fucking moral.

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  23. on June 4, 2008 at 6:55 pm Maeby Funke

    18 Lem- Agree 100%.

    If someone had the opportunity to do the kind thing and save that human being a life full of suffering, anguish, and indeed, a lack of requited love, but did not, I have nothing but contempt for those parent(s).

    It’s akin to finding a small animal, obviously in excruciating pain, and allowing it to die a slow and painful death in front of you instead of just ending it humanely. It’s as bad as letting your beloved dog be eaten away slowly by cancer or some other devastating disease, rather than putting your friend down to rest peacefully.

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  24. on June 4, 2008 at 6:57 pm DF

    I agree with Lemmonex, it is moral. That is all.

    jonathanjones02, you should be grateful you have the luxury to contemplate the “emotional and spiritually full of energy” life because its likely your forebears bludgeoned another man to get to his woman. How is that for clinical coldness?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2066554/Neolithic-men-were-prepared-to-fight-for-their-women.html

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  25. on June 4, 2008 at 7:06 pm Virgle Kent

    I don’t know but in the 300 movie they through deformed kids off a cliff except for that quasimoto looking motherfucker that sold them out in the end.

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  26. on June 4, 2008 at 7:13 pm jonathanjones02

    Life has inherent dignity, and is worthy of protection. What our ancestors did or did not do should not alter that truth.

    I realize there is going to be disagreement with this sort of view, and don’t particularly feel like arguing…..

    But let’s think about things another way: would I be disappointed if I had a Downs child? Yes. Would I be sad? Yes, selfishly so. I want a stud son and a cute daughter to mate with the “best” and to carry my line forward.

    Yet who am I to deny the child love and a chance to live? And a Downs child is full of love….in fact, who more freely gives love and affection (in the non-Roissy sense)? This is something worthy.

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  27. on June 4, 2008 at 7:29 pm Virgle Kent

    Jonathanjones02

    Are you fucking kidding me! Downs is not something that can be seen in the womb during pregnancy so you wouldn’t be given that choice today (now if we’re talking in the future through genetic marking yes) Symptoms of downs usually form after a year or so whenever the child is supposed to be start walking and showing motor skills. But Down’s isn’t the worst thing in life a child could be brought into this world with if you made a list it would probably be near the bottom.

    I’m talking what if you had a child that was going to be born conjoined with two heads, three arms and stumped legs that would be paralyzed from the waist down. Now with that choice WWJD

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  28. on June 4, 2008 at 7:40 pm Shannon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome#Prenatal_screening

    Delurking – VK, sorry, you’re wrong on that point.

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  29. on June 4, 2008 at 7:43 pm aussie girl in london

    Actually Downs can be detected and is often a reason for abortion. It is detected by amniocentesis as early as 15 weeks. Get your facts before giving opinions Virgle Kent.

    http://www.womens-health.co.uk/downs.asp

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  30. on June 4, 2008 at 7:46 pm DF

    VK, that was one of the underlying themes of the film. The Persians represented the perversions of nature, note all the monsters they had fighting for them and even the whores were deformed in Xerxes’ lair. The Spartans, on the other hand, were a representation of nature’s finest product. The healthiest, the strongest, the best.

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  31. on June 4, 2008 at 7:48 pm cz

    jonathanjones02 do you even know who your avatar is?

    Some of his writing reeked of death too. That’s what messengers do: bring messages.

    This is one of Roissy’s best posts and well in keeping with his mission statement: “Where pretty lies perish.”

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  32. on June 4, 2008 at 7:57 pm alias clio

    Cannot agree. Why would there be any reason not to put anyone to death who appeared to be suffering, if, as you say, it is moral to make that decision for others or on their behalf?

    And once you’ve arrogated that power to yourself, what is to stop us from allowing other less “noble” motives to creep in behind the professedly noble one of helping to relieve another’s suffering?

    Roissy and other professed libertarians (and liberals) today do not appear to realise that this line of argument destroys the foundations of individual rights.

    It is just barely possible to make an argument in favour of abortion rights on behalf of the mother (though I do not do this myself, I see its point), but it is extremely dangerous to attempt to support abortion on behalf of the child and its presumed sufferings.

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  33. on June 4, 2008 at 7:58 pm Usually Lurking

    And the fact that it has enabled fellows like you to have your fun for free

    Way before I ever heard of a PUA, I was seeing this play itself out. The guys that were most in favor of Pro-Choice politics were Players and pussy, feminist wanna-be’s.

    Killing a fetus is not something anyone wants to contemplate deeply. It is hard to admit that if I made a decision to have an abortion, it would be to benefit me. Not the potential kid, not society, just me.

    We are, too a much greater degree, freed from long-term planning and long-term consequences. Consequence-free sex and the resulting abortions may just be the most extreme example of this.

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  34. on June 4, 2008 at 8:00 pm b for beta

    Abortion is the most evil you can think of. That Roissy condones murder…
    Listen thru and thru. Focus on the context:

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  35. on June 4, 2008 at 8:05 pm Virgle Kent

    Sorry Shannon and Aussie girl

    I misspoke way too fast to get to the point that Downs is not the worst thing in my opinion to have an abortion over.

    I am aware it could be detected with Amniocentesis poking the womb with a needle but I understood that procedure is somewhat risky and may cause miscarriages and is only done on high risk candidates or if one of the parents has Downs in the family. I was talking from the point of just looking at an ultrasound.

    I spoke fast and stand corrected

    now can we just have fun abortions or what?!?

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  36. on June 4, 2008 at 8:07 pm Usually Lurking

    My moral code says we are all entitled to happiness and a fair shot in this world.

    It is kinda hard to have your fair shot when you just had your skull crushed by your moral parents and their moral doctor.

    I can sympathize for children who are born with mental retardation, but I can sympathize more for the ones that never got to see the light of day.

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  37. on June 4, 2008 at 8:09 pm jonathanjones02

    cz,

    How is it that Solzhenitsyn is a merchant of death? He is our greatest living writer and an example of standing up to the Soviet/Marxist culture of death – which included forced abortions.

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  38. on June 4, 2008 at 8:11 pm Usually Lurking

    It’s akin to finding a small animal, obviously in excruciating pain, and allowing it to die a slow and painful death in front of you instead of just ending it humanely.

    The dying, suffering animal wants, presumably, to be put down.

    That child with cystic fibrosis, just ask him if he would prefer to die. You can always give him a gun or bring him to the edge of some tall building.

    I am willing to bet large amounts of money that he will want to live.

    But, you are obviously a more moral person than myself, so, maybe you can just blow his brains out anyway.

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  39. on June 4, 2008 at 8:15 pm Peter

    In practice, as it is utilized in present day America, it’s more or less neutral, as those who would most benefit society by cleansing their wombs of the next generation are still going on to have more kids than their betters.

    You base this statement on what? Please cite statistics showing the socioeconomic statuses of women having abortions vs. those giving birth out of wedlock. It could well be that the “low quality” women are more likely to have abortions than the better-off.

    Gannon is a highly moral man

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

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  40. on June 4, 2008 at 8:15 pm Lemmonex

    Oh, Christ on a fucking cracker, UL. Stop with the histrionics. Most of these kids would be so genetically screwed they would not be capable of holding a gun.

    I am sorry–if you have a child with a hole in it’s brain, with spinal fluid leaking out of it’s body…you would abort. If your wife were going to die because of birth defects, you would abort. If you wouldn’t I question your moral code.

    Viva la abortion!

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  41. on June 4, 2008 at 8:16 pm Wonka

    I’m always amazed by people who condemn a life of anguish and suffering. Such people are delusional, for all life is anguish, suffering, decay, and the march to death. If you would exterminate those who lead miserable lives, I wonder who would be left?

    What roissy writes is generally offensive to one person or another, but I think there is a danger in taking “where pretty lies perish” too far to one extreme.

    Slay all the pretty lies you like, just don’t forget that there are also beautiful truths. They are what justify the our willingness to endure “this mortal coil.”

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  42. on June 4, 2008 at 8:24 pm sara

    roissy “I’d like to see men have the legal right to abort their financial responsibility for any unwanted pregnancies. In the interest of fairness, you see.”

    Hey, I know you don’t mean that.

    “an open invitation and legal sanction for women to do the dirty work and absolve them of 18 years of imprisonment. ”

    It doesn’t end at 18 years. It’s your whole life. Oh wait, you’re just talking about money. Well, that too possibly.

    “it’s leagues better than accidentally impregnating a woman and having zero recourse to rectify the situation.”

    There are no accidents in all the universe, Grasshopper.

    “abortifacient” Nice word choice.

    “For what could be more cruel than knowingly bringing to life a soul trapped in a twisted body or a stunted mind, wracked with pain and shame and exposed to a lifetime of horrible torment as objects of his affection forever elude him, his heart never to pulse with requited romantic love. I have nothing but seething hatred for those parents who willingly allow the births of babies with torturous afflictions.”

    Oh really? At first I thought you were describing your OWN life.

    “Abortion keeps a woman’s body looking hot.”

    I think there is a study that says abortion increases a woman’s chance of getting cancer and looking DEAD. (BTW I am pro-life AND pro-choice. Figure that one out.)

    “They will do this because my reasoning is to the benefit of men and, secondarily, society.”

    Aren’t they interconnected somehow?

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  43. on June 4, 2008 at 8:31 pm roissy

    Oh really? At first I thought you were describing your OWN life.

    sara, don’t you have mercury poisoning paranoia or your ex-BF from 20 years ago to talk about? stick with what you know.

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  44. on June 4, 2008 at 8:38 pm Maeby Funke

    Viva abortion, viva euthanasia, viva Darwin.

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  45. on June 4, 2008 at 8:41 pm sara

    Choices are good and necessary to evolution. I think it’s great that as adults we can elect to be “put down” by stating your desire in a living will. It’s a great idea, especially if you have a lot of health insurance, otherwise they will keep you alive forever. In the case of a child things get much stickier. My work put me in contact with a group of retarded kids in my community and I must say they and their parents were phenomenal. Some of the best work I’ve ever done, because they were joyful and inspired people. If older people are more likely to have Down’s syndrome children at least they are probably more able to deal with it.

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  46. on June 4, 2008 at 8:42 pm sara

    43 roissy. Fuck you, roissy. I DO know what I’m talking about. And it wasn’t 20 years ago, it was last July. Hmmmmm…I struck a nerve, eh? Very suspicious.

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  47. on June 4, 2008 at 8:45 pm Usually Lurking

    Most of these kids would be so genetically screwed they would not be capable of holding a gun.

    Most people with mental retardation can not only hold a gun, but they can hold a job. Whether or not you think they should die, doesn’t mean that they agree.

    Also, if you are only interested in what I would do in the most extreme of situations means that you do no want to talk about whether or not abortion is moral.

    Also, I am looking to preserve life, so you already know the answer to that moronic question, “What would I do if my wife, blah blah blah”.

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  48. on June 4, 2008 at 8:49 pm sara

    43 Is Master displeased with me? LOL BTW I had three silver fillings removed today, to be replaced with glistening gold. This is the first time ever using Nitrous Oxide. HIGHLY recommended. What a fool I was to turn it down before.

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  49. on June 4, 2008 at 8:52 pm Lemmonex

    I am backing away after this comment, because I am becoming a screeching harpy and no one likes that. Charming is a much better color on me. I will say merely this:

    I am talking about kids with serious issues, not mildly retarded or with downs. It is a line I am still formulating in my brain as to where one stops. My beliefs and yes, my moral code, are constantly evolving. Almost every choice in life is driven by some sort of invisible moral code that is unique to everyone.

    As far as your wife, blah blah blah, what life would you choose? You see them both as life, yes?

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  50. on June 4, 2008 at 8:53 pm sara

    correction “It doesn’t end at 18 years. It’s your whole life.”

    It’s THEIR whole life. How dumb.

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  51. on June 4, 2008 at 9:07 pm roissy

    clio:
    Cannot agree. Why would there be any reason not to put anyone to death who appeared to be suffering, if, as you say, it is moral to make that decision for others or on their behalf?

    a deformed fetus is not aware of its impending suffering.

    And once you’ve arrogated that power to yourself, what is to stop us from allowing other less “noble” motives to creep in behind the professedly noble one of helping to relieve another’s suffering?

    at some point, clio, you have to make a judgement call. it just won’t do as a moral guiding principle to say “let the enancephalic fetus live!” because you are worried about a slippery slope.

    Roissy and other professed libertarians (and liberals) today do not appear to realise that this line of argument destroys the foundations of individual rights.

    i’m not a capital L libertarian. unlike Libertarians, i don’t engage in wishful thinking about mass unskilled immigration or the blank slate economic rationalist view of humanity. i hate status-preening SWPLs and their stupifying hypocrisy.
    i’m more of a hedonist capitalist. someone once called me a “taki con”. i think that’s about right.

    as for your point, a fetus doesn’t have individual rights. because it can’t.

    It is just barely possible to make an argument in favour of abortion rights on behalf of the mother (though I do not do this myself, I see its point), but it is extremely dangerous to attempt to support abortion on behalf of the child and its presumed sufferings.

    could you imagine a crueler fate than being born a high-functioning Downs child? go inside yourself and imagine for a moment what that would be like living as a teenage tard… your hormones surging, your heart racing for all the pretty girls (or boys), and yet nothing… NOTHING… will alleviate your emotional needs. you are stuck in a prison of your grotesque DNA, an outcast, an untouchable. no one wants you but for a board upon which to ricochet their pity reflex.

    at least the really stupid ones mercifully don’t know what’s wrong with themselves.

    clio, i think you are a good person. but ugly truths don’t care for goodness.

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  52. on June 4, 2008 at 9:11 pm Comment_On_Abortion

    Anyone who is unable to see the very angry about abortion tone to Roissy’s post really isn’t paying attention. Of course, he does have a point with regards to totally crippled babies, but that’s the very definition of slippery slope. More silly posts are easy to find. Take Half-Sigma’s comment that “Hollywood is against abortion” because they don’t show women having them.
    http://www.halfsigma.com/2007/06/knocked_up_and_.html

    Abortion is one of those issues where a friendly personality, more social power, and the willingness to lie doesn’t really let you sell it to people against it. Either the “non-person” is a person, or he/she is not. Anyone who believes that the “fetus” is a baby isn’t going to be persuaded by a sales pitch.

    It’s a baby, or it isn’t.

    Hollywood’s owners are smart enough to avoid commenting on things that they can’t really defend, to people who can’t be convinced.

    Take the dead silence on things like the “Apnea Test” which the organ donor ghouls perform on their “patients”. Often times serious head trama will cause swelling in the brain. This contricts blood flow to the brain. This lowers the amount of oxygen getting to the brain, causing the brain to SERIOUSLY malfunction. However, as long as a bare minimium of oxygen is getting in, permanent brain damage is avoided/lessened. When the swelling goes down in a few days, hopefully the brain kicks back on. Or maybe not. The Apnea Test involves cutting off ventilators to see if the patient can breath on their own, in order to determine “brain-death”, or at least brain swelling to the point of disfunction. The drop in oxygen to the brain caused by the “Apnea Test” can send a brain that is currently “locked up” into the permanently broken catagory. Really, once you hear a doctor babbling about “brain-death” in someone you care about, expressly forbid the Apnea Test.

    Do doctors really want to defend the Apnea test(standard in all states for determing brain death)? Really? OF COURSE NOT! SO THEY DON’T TALK ABOUT IT. That’s why all the organ donor pushers speak in the declarative. The Doctor WILL do the best for you. You WILL be brain-dead when they chop you up. You Will This, and Will that, because the details aren’t defensible, at all.

    And that is why Hollywood doesn’t do an abortion in a movie. The deadly, and damming, sound of silence.

    “They only tell half the truth, which is not much different from lying”-A savage

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  53. on June 4, 2008 at 9:19 pm Michael Katcher

    [i]unlike Libertarians, i don’t engage in wishful thinking about mass unskilled immigration or the blank slate economic rationalist view of humanity. [/i]

    Hah. [i]Roissy[/i] of all people is stunned to such silence by an argument that he retreats to his own blog to repost his argument instead of rebutting.

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  54. on June 4, 2008 at 9:19 pm Michael Katcher

    I see I don’t understand comment tags.

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  55. on June 4, 2008 at 9:22 pm Michael Katcher

    Also, SWPL?

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  56. on June 4, 2008 at 9:22 pm Lisa

    Gannon: “Another reason to date and marry teen girls.”

    I can only think of 2 women who were older than teens at the time of the abortion.

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  57. on June 4, 2008 at 9:28 pm Billare

    You need to use “” tags.

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  58. on June 4, 2008 at 9:32 pm Michael Katcher

    Hmm… not sure I understand. Like “I”this”/”?

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  59. on June 4, 2008 at 9:32 pm Michael Katcher

    Guess not.

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  60. on June 4, 2008 at 10:03 pm Chic Noir

    You really going to bring the crazies to your site with this post Roissy. I see this post getting at least 300 comments.

    Have fun and enjoy!

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  61. on June 4, 2008 at 10:19 pm Slumlord

    as for your point, a fetus doesn’t have individual rights. because it can’t.

    Actually Roissy, the only rights you have are the rights we as community choose to give to you. And when you’re old and feeble let’s hope we choose to respect yours. I can imagine nothing worse than being a lecherous old man and not being able to get any pussy. I suppose, it will be time then to take the bullet: involuntary euthanasia. But of course we will be acting in your best interests.

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  62. on June 4, 2008 at 10:25 pm sara

    ^ Whoa that was harsh slumlord. Even I am not that mean. LOL

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  63. on June 4, 2008 at 10:33 pm roissy

    Actually Roissy, the only rights you have are the rights we as community choose to give to you.

    something that is incapable of having human rights is not the same as something that is capable of having them but has them violated.

    And when you’re old and feeble let’s hope we choose to respect yours.

    yay 2nd amendment!

    I suppose, it will be time then to take the bullet: involuntary euthanasia.

    no need for anything so drastic. there’s always prostitutes.

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  64. on June 4, 2008 at 10:46 pm sara

    There are way too many cynical childless people on this site. If you don’t want to bring any more children into the world, great, but if you have any children in your life you are blessed indeed. We can learn more from them, than the other way around. They are unspoiled humans, pain in the ass though they may be to care for especially when young. Have you seen “The Children of Men”? Am not a huge fan of the movie, but it did make a good point about the priceless value of children to the experience of life.

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  65. on June 4, 2008 at 10:47 pm cz

    jonathanjones02

    How is it that you don’t see Roissy as a truth teller? How could a post about abortion not reek of death?

    I’ll take Roissy’s open, notorious and entertaining high-level ranting to the likes of the typical modern pro-choice wishy-washy language, e.g. “[It’s] just barely possible to make an argument in favour of abortion rights on behalf of the mother (though I do not do this myself, I see its point) but it is extremely dangerous to attempt to support abortion on behalf of the child and its presumed sufferings.” Extremely dangerous? Woooo, scary.

    Come on man, listen for tone. This is, in his own words, “performance art ranting.” http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/overheard-in-dc/ at 55. You don’t hear any sarcasm? You don’t read this as primarily a critique of modernist/feminist rationalizations for abortions?

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  66. on June 4, 2008 at 10:52 pm Chic Noir

    Lisa comment 7 – I agree, two forms of BC and any woman will have little to worry about.

    Patrick Bateman what is a resonable amount of support? Would you be willing to marry her? Why or why not?

    “It’s as bad as letting your beloved dog be eaten away slowly by cancer or some other devastating disease, rather than putting your friend down to rest peacefully”

    Maeby Funke
    Maeby Funke, some people love animals more than people.

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  67. on June 4, 2008 at 10:56 pm cz

    jonathanjones02

    To be clear, I’m responding to your post beginning, “Is this what “game” is reduced to?” In combination with your avatar, it’s one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read here.

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  68. on June 4, 2008 at 11:23 pm Chic Noir

    I want to add two cents (cents).

    One reason there is so much talk about abortion is a result of women in our society having decided to include men in the process. There are plenty of cultures in which a woman will have an abortion and never mention it to her partner.

    [/i] Michael Katcher, when you figure out how to use comment tags , teach me please [/i]

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  69. on June 5, 2008 at 12:02 am PA

    Italics brackets:

    [i] text that you will be italicizing [/i]

    Except that instead of the brackets, use this

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  70. on June 5, 2008 at 12:04 am PA

    “This” posted invisible.

    Use “less than” and “greater than” signs (to the right of the M on the keyboards instead of the brackets.

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  71. on June 5, 2008 at 12:10 am Peter

    Anyone who genuinely “loves” abortion is mental. Now, reasonable people may support a woman’s right to an abortion, especially in cases of fetal abnormality, but they certainly do not think that it’s in any way a good thing. They’ll think instead that it’s better than the alternative, which is hardly the same as saying it’s good, let alone “loving” it.

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  72. on June 5, 2008 at 12:21 am jonathanjones02

    cz,

    Your avatar comment makes no sense whatsoever. Solzhenitsyn make us aware of the gulag system, one of the most soul-killing inventions of our twisted minds.

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  73. on June 5, 2008 at 12:36 am Michael Katcher

    maybe like this?

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  74. on June 5, 2008 at 1:09 am Usually Lurking

    One reason there is so much talk about abortion is a result of women in our society having decided to include men in the process. There are plenty of cultures in which a woman will have an abortion and never mention it to her partner.

    The reason why abortion became such an issue was because of Roe v Wade. Before the Federal Supreme Court steped in and forced every state to get on board with their view, the different states were dealing with Abortion on their on time and terms.

    At the time, 1973, at least 5 states had liberalized their laws on Abortion over the previous 5 years. And at least 2 more were likely to do so within the following 12 months. During this time, the late 60’s and early 70’s, Abortion basically never made it on the fron page of the NYT, WaPo or WSJ.

    Once the Supreme Court made a federal case of it, well, they made a federal case of it.

    Now we fight and scream like nobodys business and have congress ask the judicial nominees a thousand questions so that they can analyze all of the subtext.

    Personally, I want the Supreme Court to create more laws, instead of ruling on the Constitutionality of existing ones, and make Congress obsolete. Then we will be ruled by a true Jedi Council and no longer need to worry about who our true masters are.

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  75. on June 5, 2008 at 1:31 am Andre

    Please answer Sailer’s question (9:10) on M. Rev. I am very interested to hear your thoughts on the issue.

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  76. on June 5, 2008 at 1:49 am GVChamp

    Anyone who genuinely “loves” abortion is mental. Now, reasonable people may support a woman’s right to an abortion, especially in cases of fetal abnormality, but they certainly do not think that it’s in any way a good thing. They’ll think instead that it’s better than the alternative, which is hardly the same as saying it’s good, let alone “loving” it.

    It’s another form of birth control. Let’s not delude ourselves otherwise. In fact, the primary argument against abortion (that it is human and living and will become a full person, where human just means something with human dna) is typically refuted by arguments against mastrubation, or against letting a woman have a period go by where she ISN’T pregnant.

    Abortion is designed to give a woman control over her reproductive system so she can have a child when she chooses.

    It’s BIRTH CONTROL. There is no reason to NOT love abortions anymore than you DON’T love condoms.

    Any thoughts to the contrary are illusions and pretty truths concocted by a society that exists based in guilt.

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  77. on June 5, 2008 at 1:56 am mr mike

    “My moral code says we are all entitled to happiness and a fair shot in this world. It is not moral to knowingly confine someone to a wheel chair. This is why I find it fucking moral.”

    life is unfair

    i don’t know how you define a fair shot, but consider:

    – the millions dying around the world (esp. africa) (what’s the point of all that aid when we can send abortionists to prevent the kids from starving by preventing their births)

    – that there are only 1000 billionaires and none of us is one of them (how unfair is that)

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  78. on June 5, 2008 at 2:04 am mr mike

    GVC
    “…where human just means something with human dna) is typically refuted by arguments against mastrubation, or against letting a woman have a period go by where she ISN’T pregnant….”

    sperm contains only half the dna needed to make a full human the egg the other half

    i have no problem arguing that birth control is up to the individual ….But a zygote, fetus, infant, toddler, and child need to be protected under the law since they are separate distinct persons

    the only time i can make an exception is if the mother’s life hangs in the balance

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  79. on June 5, 2008 at 2:07 am Chic Noir

    A big kiss for PA. Thanks sweetie :kiss:

    🙂

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  80. on June 5, 2008 at 2:08 am Anonymous

    “But a zygote, fetus … need to be protected under the law since they are separate distinct persons”

    Fail.

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  81. on June 5, 2008 at 2:09 am cz

    J,

    Speaking of soul-killing, how about serial seduction, fornication, and hedonism? And yet you come on Roissy’s site bearing a Solzhenitsyn avatar and complain about “what has game come to” that he advocates –in a very witty feminist mocking manner btw, abortion? Are you shitting me?

    CC

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  82. on June 5, 2008 at 2:11 am GVChamp

    sperm contains only half the dna needed to make a full human the egg the other half

    You are correct. The issue comes when you call a zygote a “person.” While it is human, and a distinct human, it is most definitely NOT a person. It will simply become one, at an unspecified point in time. So will your sperm, if you merely impregnate as many women as possible.

    But my fundamental point is that the function of abortion is identical to the function of birth control, and it should be considered as such. So you shouldn’t feel any special pain over abortion any more than you feel pain over wearing a condom (at least, if you don’t consider a zygote a person)

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  83. on June 5, 2008 at 2:11 am Chic Noir

    Usually Lurking- I see your point but women have been having abortions hundreads of years, long before Roe vs. Wade. Even the ancient Eygtains(tp), had chemical/herbal means of causing the body to abort the fetus.

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  84. on June 5, 2008 at 2:16 am Chic Noir

    For those who are pro-life, how many children do you plan on adopting?

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  85. on June 5, 2008 at 2:27 am Anonymous

    “- the millions dying around the world (esp. africa) (what’s the point of all that aid when we can send abortionists to prevent the kids from starving by preventing their births)”

    a budding Nazi on our hands

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  86. on June 5, 2008 at 2:31 am Usually Lurking

    …but women have been having abortions hundreads of years…

    Right. And women were having legal, and illegal, abortions in America before Roe v Wade. And it was never on the front page of a major newspaper until after it was made a Federal case.

    In other words, before the Supreme Court got involved, Abortion was being debated in a sane manner. Now, it is a Federal case, which means that it is winner take all. The stakes are higher, much higher, so the fight is intense.

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  87. on June 5, 2008 at 2:42 am sara

    71 Peter

    I don’t believe roissy loves abortion nearly as much as he loves the attention he gets by SAYING he loves abortion.

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  88. on June 5, 2008 at 2:44 am Usually Lurking

    For those who are pro-life, how many children do you plan on adopting?

    Chic, this is your argument:
    1. Some people are Pro-Life.
    2. If Pro-Life wins the day, women can no longer have abortions and these unwanted babies will go up for adoption.
    3. If the Pro-Lifers do not pick up the slack (i.e. the extra unwanted babies), then these children will have nowhere to go and it will be the fault of the Pro-Lifers.

    So, lets take that logic to another big issue. Say, legalized alcohol and its unwanted consequences.

    1. You say that alcohol should be legal.
    2. You understand that thousands of people die each year in alcohol releated driving accidents each year, many of whom are innocent victims.
    3. Even though it is illegal to drink and drive it is one of those constant unwanted consequences of legalized alcohol

    So, what are you going to do to protect the innocent? How many streets will you patrol?

    Or, hell, forget that line of thought…ask yourself this question:

    What was the illegitimacy rate before Abortion was legalized? What percecntage of Americas children were needing of adoption before Roe v Wade and after?

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  89. on June 5, 2008 at 3:01 am mr mike

    #84

    you’re taking it out of the intended context

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  90. on June 5, 2008 at 3:18 am anon4

    Human Tissue vs Human Beings

    Don’t want to have a baby for any reason? Abort the fucker. The only legitimate concern is with the potential complications a woman can go through after the procedure.

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  91. on June 5, 2008 at 3:20 am Peter

    I don’t believe roissy loves abortion nearly as much as he loves the attention he gets by SAYING he loves abortion.

    So true.

    This posting of Roissy’s reminds me in a way of the Yale student who created a big kerfuffle a few months back when she announced that she’d been giving herself drug-induced abortions and had saved up the “products” to put on display. It soon came out that the whole thing was a hoax, and moreover that the media and blogosphere s***storm it all provoked was actually a performance art project.

    Roissy, in making this highly provocative posting, was not so much interested in conveying his thoughts on abortion, as he was in creating a lot of fuss.

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  92. on June 5, 2008 at 3:20 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Roissy said: “could you imagine a crueler fate than being born a high-functioning Downs child? go inside yourself and imagine for a moment what that would be like living as a teenage tard… your hormones surging, your heart racing for all the pretty girls (or boys), and yet nothing… NOTHING.”

    At my high school there was such a kid. His older bro (a popular dude) threw a pool party and there were tons of teen babes in bikinis.

    The high-functioning Down’s kid apparently went into some sort of sexual frenzy and no one could find him. Eventually someone did find him. He was in his room having sex with his dog.

    (I know this sounds outlanding but this is really a true story.)

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  93. on June 5, 2008 at 3:47 am JC

    If the guy manages to knock up a woman through being careless or accidentally , the woman then is in the power position on whether to have the child or not and then morally and legally oblige the guy to support her … I mean the child for the next 18 years.

    So , in this light … wouldn’t it be wise for a male contraceptive to be taken to avoid such a scenario ?
    Hell … I would take it.

    Provided of course that it didn’t have unwanted side effects.

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  94. on June 5, 2008 at 4:00 am sara

    90 Peter

    “Roissy, in making this highly provocative posting, was not so much interested in conveying his thoughts on abortion, as he was in creating a lot of fuss.”

    Yes, and I wonder what his real intent is sometimes.

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  95. on June 5, 2008 at 4:04 am sara

    92 JC

    “and then morally and legally oblige the guy to support her … ”

    My husband was making $134,000/yr. when we divorced. He pays $20,000 a year in child support. Tell me how we are both supposed to live on that in Southern California. LOL You guys are hilarious.

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  96. on June 5, 2008 at 5:32 am Animus

    Tell me how we are both supposed to live on that in Southern California. LOL You guys are hilarious.

    You’re *not*. It’s *child support*, not mommy support.

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  97. on June 5, 2008 at 9:14 am Gunslingergregi

    So your ex had to be a workaholic to get that much money and then how much is insurance around 3600 a year maybe. Does he pay alimony. Did you get the house? Do you have a car payment? 20k on top of taxes on that much money he isn’t taking much home for all his hard work. You should move back in with him and help him save money or did he say f it and now makes jack.

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  98. on June 5, 2008 at 12:22 pm Patrick Bateman

    Chic Noir writes
    Patrick Bateman what is a resonable amount of support? Would you be willing to marry her? Why or why not?

    I would be willing to pay for all the medical bills as a result of the pregnancy and many of the expenses associated with raising a child in a good environment. Private school tuition, nice clothes, a car when they’re old enough, etc. I’m just not willing to pay for her shit. Really, I’d rather raise the child myself and let her see the child as often as she wants. This reasonable amount of support is in the event that she has custody.
    I am pretty sure that I’ve already found the woman I want to marry, so I would not be willing to marry some chick I knocked up.

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  99. on June 5, 2008 at 1:17 pm JC

    [quote]My husband was making $134,000/yr. when we divorced. He pays $20,000 a year in child support. Tell me how we are both supposed to live on that in Southern California. LOL You guys are hilarious.
    [/quote]

    I’m so sorry , I didn’t realise they don’t have any jobs for single mothers in the entire state of California.

    Whore

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  100. on June 5, 2008 at 1:49 pm Patrick Bateman

    <Use instead of [] for italics, quotes, bold, etc. For quotes, you want “blockquote” instead of “quote”.

    sara writes

    My husband was making $134,000/yr. when we divorced. He pays $20,000 a year in child support. Tell me how we are both supposed to live on that in Southern California. LOL You guys are hilarious.

    Is his pay 134k before taxes and your cut 20k after taxes? With state income tax and cost of living in California, he’s getting fucked. If I were him, I’d pretend to make nice and offer you a great vacation in Brazil and then pay off one of the poor locals to shank you in the neck.

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  101. on June 5, 2008 at 1:54 pm Patrick Bateman

    Let’s try this again

    Use &lt> instead of [] for italics, quotes, bold, etc. For quotes, you want “blockquote” instead of “quote”.

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  102. on June 5, 2008 at 1:59 pm Patrick Bateman

    Okay, for some reason wordpress doesn’t interpret things the same way as others do. Use > preceded by its mirror image instead of [].

    Check this out http://www.econlib.org/library/faqEconlog.html#commenthtml

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  103. on June 5, 2008 at 2:04 pm sara

    97 Gunslinger “You should move back in with him and help him save money or did he say f it and now makes jack.”

    I’ve kind of already been through the whole scenario and believe I have effectively exonerated myself from the role of soul-sucking, monstrously greedy, ball busting, opportunistic, venomous, man-eating parasite. I don’t want to bore everyone with the details. I’ll just give you this little tidbit; I turned down three and a half years of alimony because I did not want to be dependent on it, which makes me a saint.

    And no, he makes great money, is remarried, and has two step children. We are on great terms. He thinks I’m a great mom, I love him, he loves me, I adore is new wife, his mother loves me like a daughter (better actually). Kind of makes you sick, doesn’t it? LOL

    99 JC

    “I didn’t realise they don’t have any jobs for single mothers in the entire state of California. Whore”

    Now, don’t you feel horrible for calling me a whore? Such rudeness. ^_^

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  104. on June 5, 2008 at 2:07 pm sara

    100 Bateman.

    “I’d pretend to make nice and offer you a great vacation in Brazil and then pay off one of the poor locals to shank you in the neck.”

    You’re hilarious. Like you would do that to the mother of your child. YOU, the magnanimous child lover/ideal father image. You’re a real prize winner.

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  105. on June 5, 2008 at 2:22 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “You’re hilarious. Like you would do that to the mother of your child. YOU, the magnanimous child lover/ideal father image. You’re a real prize winner.”

    He did take his name from the main character of “American Psycho,” so you can’t say he didn’t warn you, in his own way. I just wanna know if Mr. Bateman listens to Genesis (fans of the book will get this!).

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  106. on June 5, 2008 at 3:32 pm Gannon

    “and has two step children”

    I bet he is fucking the 13 year old step daughter. If not, he would have chosen a 26 year old childless woman.

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  107. on June 5, 2008 at 4:00 pm Gannon

    testing 2

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  108. on June 5, 2008 at 4:16 pm Gannon

    testing comments

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  109. on June 5, 2008 at 4:17 pm Gannon

    Dizzy sucks

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  110. on June 5, 2008 at 4:39 pm sara

    106 Gannon

    She’s only 11!!!

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  111. on June 5, 2008 at 4:50 pm Michael Katcher

    Why do Gannon and Sara have the same comment image?

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  112. on June 5, 2008 at 4:54 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara writes
    You’re hilarious. Like you would do that to the mother of your child. YOU, the magnanimous child lover/ideal father image. You’re a real prize winner.

    Better no mother than a shitty one. I’m willing to put up with some shit from a woman if she’s creating value for my children, but you seem like the type of woman who would raise her boys to be low quality betas. If choice A is kill the mom and raise my boys to be men or B let the bitch squander my child support for years and then have my boys grow up to marry a whore with kids from 3 different men and take her last name and not father any children of his own, I’ll pick A every time.

    Days of Broken Arrows writes
    He did take his name from the main character of “American Psycho,” so you can’t say he didn’t warn you, in his own way. I just wanna know if Mr. Bateman listens to Genesis (fans of the book will get this!).

    I am a fan of 80s music but not that particular band.
    It’s good you noticed the warning in my name. Sometimes a girl will tell me I’m “sweet” or “nice” when the seduction is just getting started and I will tell her flat out “No I’m not. I’m actually kind of an asshole but you like me so you trying to rationalize that by saying I’m nice. Girls never like to admit they like assholes.” I’ll even tell them how I come from a long line of womanizers who fathered children with multiple women, and they still fuck me. At least I warned them.

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  113. on June 5, 2008 at 5:07 pm Gannon

    For some strange reason my comments take over an hour to appear. Is Roissy censoring? Is the thought police tracking me? Nah, more likely a problem with wordpress or my wiifii connection.
    @Sarah: sorry, if your ex makes over 100 k it’s very strange that he didn’t hook up with a woman in her late twenties. It’s very common for stepfathers to have sex with their stepdaughters as soon as they enter their early teens. Some men proactively target single/divorced women with teen daughters to gain sexual acces to them. A normal heterosexual man can be attracted to an eleven year old girl if she shows obvious signs of puberty, like menstruation, a rounded arse and developing breasts. Fat girls enter puberty fairly early. Fritzl, the austrian incest monster, started to abuse his daughter when she was eleven, by the way. So it all depends how developed the girl is for her age.

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  114. on June 5, 2008 at 5:16 pm Reggie

    #92 DOBA

    The high-functioning Down’s kid apparently went into some sort of sexual frenzy and no one could find him. Eventually someone did find him. He was in his room having sex with his dog.

    And here we come to the most compelling reason to support a woman’s right to choose: Protecting animal rights.

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  115. on June 5, 2008 at 5:20 pm sara

    112 Patrick

    “If choice A is KILL the mom and raise my boys to be men

    OR B

    * let the bitch squander my child support for years AND
    * have my boys grow up to marry a whore
    * with kids from 3 different men AND
    * take her last name AND
    * not father any children of his own

    I’ll pick A every time.”

    Well, I think the odds of meeting all those criteria are pretty slim, so I’ll hold off on contacting the authorities. Whew, what a tough guy.

    “I’ll even tell them how I come from a long line of womanizers who fathered children with multiple women, and they still fuck me. At least I warned them.”

    Are you the one who said your girlfriend “lets” you fuck other women? Not that I care, really. Just curious.

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  116. on June 5, 2008 at 5:48 pm beautyinbaltimore

    I am usually a lurker

    One quick question:

    What do you think about plan B?

    Is it a form of abortion?

    You do realize if more women used plan B, there would be fewer women getting the baby skull sucking type of abortion ?

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  117. on June 5, 2008 at 5:50 pm Patrick Bateman

    Well, I think the odds of meeting all those criteria are pretty slim, so I’ll hold off on contacting the authorities. Whew, what a tough guy.

    The first one is enough to know that she won’t raise my boys to be worthy of my name. The other stuff I wouldn’t know until later so I’d have to extrapolate based on her actions so far.

    Are you the one who said your girlfriend “lets” you fuck other women? Not that I care, really. Just curious.

    That’s me. I would do it anyway, but her acquiescence makes it easier. Last week she came home early right after I had just hooked up with a girl and before I had time to shower. I almost certainly still smelled like the other woman but she didn’t say shit. Any other woman would’ve gone ballistic.

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  118. on June 5, 2008 at 6:18 pm sara

    117 Patrick

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you’re walking a bit of a tight rope there. Like you were a bit nervous about not having gotten your shower before she came home. Is she a compliant, submissive, acquiescing, accommodating, mothering, over-giving, agreeable, extraordinarily good intentioned, saintly, self-sacrificing, maternal, only wants what’s best for you type of woman? Not that I care. LOL Just curious.

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  119. on June 5, 2008 at 7:23 pm Patrick Bateman

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you’re walking a bit of a tight rope there. Like you were a bit nervous about not having gotten your shower before she came home. Is she a compliant, submissive, acquiescing, accommodating, mothering, over-giving, agreeable, extraordinarily good intentioned, saintly, self-sacrificing, maternal, only wants what’s best for you type of woman? Not that I care. LOL Just curious.

    You’re right for once. I was walking a tight rope and I try to avoid those situations, but she came home much earlier than expected and there was nothing I could do about it. Even with her agreement, I’d still rather her stay in the dark about my philandering. She’s pretty much all those things you mentioned. She would make a great mother. That’s why she’s #1.

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  120. on June 5, 2008 at 8:27 pm Peter

    A normal heterosexual man can be attracted to an eleven year old girl if she shows obvious signs of puberty, like menstruation, a rounded arse and developing breasts.

    Takes one to know one, right Gannon?

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  121. on June 5, 2008 at 8:35 pm sara

    119 Patrick

    Have you ever seen her angry or she very peaceable and even tempered; never getting too up or down? Does she always see both sides of an issue? Would you describe her as being stubborn at times? Is she the easygoing, self-effacing, receptive, reassuring, accepting, trusting, stable, and complacent type?

    I’m narrowing down her personality type.

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  122. on June 5, 2008 at 8:37 pm sara

    113 Gannon “It’s very common for stepfathers to have sex with their stepdaughters as soon as they enter their early teens”

    Ummm…does this then make it normal?

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  123. on June 5, 2008 at 9:14 pm Tired of Smoke Rings

    “It’s very common for stepfathers to have sex with their stepdaughters as soon as they enter their early teens”

    And hense the reputation of stepparents and especially stepfathers as the bane of minor children. FWIW, canceling the ticket of a scumbag like this ought to net a metal not a sentence. I’m not hateing on Gannon here, by the way, he is calling like it is. There are miles between honorable courtship with a younger woman and abusing the trust of those in your charge.

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  124. on June 5, 2008 at 9:49 pm Gannon

    “Ummm…does this then make it normal?”

    Yes, such behaviour is definitively normal. A normal heterosexual man does not recognize a stepdaughter as a daughter, but as a potential bealthy, very fertile sexual partner. So yes, that behaviour is normal but could be considered inmoral. The potential for abuse is high in such a situation, but should the law always presume abuse? Shouldn’t it be obvious to the 40 year old woman that the only reason she was chosen was the acces to her teen daughter(s)?. Could such a relationship between the stepdaugher and the stepfather be truly consentual, or is it always abusive?
    The sexual relationship in such cases usually starts when the stepdaughter shows clear first signs of puberty, which can be as low as 11, since girls are getting fatter and entering puberty earlier.
    On a side note, Gannon IS NOT attracted to females below high school age. Gannon’s main sexual attraction is for women aged 14-22, and the 14 to 15 year old girls must be clearly developed to be attractive to Gannon.

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  125. on June 5, 2008 at 10:29 pm sara

    124 Gannon

    “Shouldn’t it be obvious to the 40 year old woman that the only reason she was chosen was the acces to her teen daughter(s)?.”

    Good grief, I hope not!! Uh, why are you talking in the 3rd person? Are you a Gannon impersonator?

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  126. on June 5, 2008 at 10:38 pm Gannon

    “Uh, why are you talking in the 3rd person?”
    It gives a person authority, that’s why monarch and the nobility often talked about themselfes in the tird person.

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  127. on June 5, 2008 at 10:49 pm Patrick Bateman

    Sara
    I’m narrowing down her personality type.

    She’s an ISFJ on the Myers-Brigg. In case you’re wondering, I straddle ENTJ/INTJ.

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  128. on June 5, 2008 at 10:52 pm Chic Noir

    Usually Lurking comment 86- Okay, I see what you were saying and now I get it.

    Good point

    Do you think women should inform men if they plan on having an abortion?

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  129. on June 5, 2008 at 11:05 pm Chic Noir

    JC, there was talk of male BC a few years ago but I do not know what happened. I have heard some men say that do not want to take it.

    Patrick Bateman- Thanks for answering, and you are willing to do more than many men. How would your girlfriend feel about you knocking up another woman and bringing the child home for her to raise?

    Usually Lurking comment 88-Actually the OWC rate went up because fewer women are willing have abortions and it has become okay (but not in my book) to have an OWC. Now women have a “choice” but fifty years ago, the burden and social ostracism of having an OWC were so high that many women terminated the pregnancy even if they wanted to keep the baby.

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  130. on June 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm Chic Noir

    Patrick Bateman & JC, don’t be mean to Sara.

    Please

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  131. on June 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm Anonymous

    119: “That’s why she’s #1.”

    Good lord. That’s how you treat a girl when you *like* her?

    Ew.

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  132. on June 6, 2008 at 12:01 am sara

    127 Patrick

    “She’s an ISFJ on the Myers-Brigg. In case you’re wondering, I straddle ENTJ/INTJ.”

    Whoa, I’m getting good at this. I was moving toward enneagram type 9. Here’s the Myers-Briggs correlation to enneagram personality type, which says she would be a 9 or 6. Sounds more 9ish to me though.. You’re an 8 or a 5 in my estimation. 3 does not seem to fit.

    http://www.9types.com/wwwboard/messages/6231.html
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

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  133. on June 6, 2008 at 12:12 am sara

    127 Patrick

    (I screwed up on posting the last comment, so hopefully won’t be here twice.)

    “She’s an ISFJ on the Myers-Brigg. In case you’re wondering, I straddle ENTJ/INTJ.”

    I’m getting quite good at this. Here’s the correlation between enneagram personality types and Myers-Brigg, not that YOU would be interested. LOL

    I was moving toward her being a type nine. This says nine or six. Six is the stress point of nine–nine is the security point of six.

    http://www.9types.com/wwwboard/messages/6231.html

    And you are an eight, five, or three. I’d put my money on eight or five. Five is the stress point of eight–eight is the security point of five.

    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

    130 Chic ” don’t be mean to Sara”

    You are a total sweetheart, but don’t worry I can handle these guys. I used to be a much harsher, belligerent Sara and am going through a bit of transformation, not that I will ever be as nice as you are. Am pretty feisty. ^_^

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  134. on June 6, 2008 at 2:00 am Chic Noir

    Oh Sara, David just made me livid.

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  135. on June 6, 2008 at 3:55 am sestamibi

    Can we return to the subject at hand?

    Although I am pro-life, roissy’s case explains a lot. Legal abortion, birth control and feminism have very much enhanced the status of super-alpha males to the extent that fewer and fewer men are having more and more sex. This is not a recipe for social stability.

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  136. on June 6, 2008 at 3:56 am sara

    134 Chic

    I did not say you were a pushover, just that you might have a little more tact? Then again, when someone is asking for it….

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  137. on June 6, 2008 at 5:07 am David Alexander

    Sestamibi,

    The problem is that we’re lacking in studies and statistics illustrating a case where a small number of men are having more and more sex than the general population. Unless somebody can prove otherwise, I think the phenomenon that we’re discussing may be limited to small segments of the population.

    Besides, the previous sexual regime wasn’t enticing either. No pre-marital sex with choices limited to a few girls is certainly not enticing, and married sex rather boring and pointless and no worse than masturbation. I would rather have the ability to bang multiple hot girls with masturbation as the alternative during downtime than so-called guaranteed steak.

    Fillet mignon that you pay for is always better than gruel received for free.

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  138. on June 6, 2008 at 6:00 am sestamibi

    DA–

    That may be true, but monogamous marriage had the advantage of offering a lot more men a chance at pussy. A society with larger numbers of high-status single females, resulting in a comparable number of low-status single males, is one characterized by the few high-status males who can run the gauntlet and have de facto harems.

    Again, I recommend the movie Fight Club as an illustration of this phenomenon.

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  139. on June 6, 2008 at 6:29 am David Alexander

    but monogamous marriage had the advantage of offering a lot more men a chance at pussy

    But it wasn’t quality pussy and it came with high long-term maintenance costs.

    The real focus of our efforts shouldn’t be placed on trying to turn back the clock, but on sex robots, liberalizing and destigmatizing pornography, legalization of prostitutes, and making it easier for men if they desire to “import” women from overseas.

    I suspect that most men have or will wise up and eventually realize that marriage isn’t a scam because of divorce, but because of the high burdens needed to make it work. The high burden just simply isn’t a suitable return on investment for sexual activity, and eventually, nothing will be able to convince even the most sex deprived beta male of its virtues. Limited quantities of low quality sex just coupled with high costs is just simply not worth it when there’s knowledge of better sex amongst the high ranking men, and especially if alternatives are developed and encouraged in the marketplace.

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  140. on June 6, 2008 at 10:10 am Nupnup

    I can see how this is shocking in the US (thank Marginal Revolution for driving me here, BTW), but frankly, the idea is pretty widespread in Europe. Many would not openly admit it but I think it plays a large element in abortion legalization in Europe.

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  141. on June 6, 2008 at 12:11 pm Patrick Bateman

    Chic Noir
    How would your girlfriend feel about you knocking up another woman and bringing the child home for her to raise?

    She wouldn’t be happy that I knocked up another woman but she would be ecstatic to have a baby to take care of. If I do get other women pregnant, I should only spread my seed in Latin America or the Mediterranean where the culture is more accepting and where I’ll be out of reach of the courts.

    Anon 131
    Good lord. That’s how you treat a girl when you *like* her?

    Ew.

    You have no idea how I treat her. All you know is that I fuck other women.

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  142. on June 6, 2008 at 1:53 pm sara

    139 “The real focus of our efforts shouldn’t be placed on trying to turn back the clock, but on sex robots, liberalizing and destigmatizing pornography, legalization of prostitutes, and making it easier for men if they desire to “import” women from overseas.”

    Whatever turns you on, but this reeks of “loser”. Not that I care really if men use sex robots, pornography, prostitutes and mail order brides. I’m sure with the needs of guys like you driving the market, what you want you will get! It’s just an indication of how emotionally bankrupt, unnatural, and machine-like many people are getting. Sure you can fuck a fembot, pay an emotionally sick woman for “love”, or pick a wife from a catalog. But where is the man these products and services are created for? He is dead. As dead as the fembot.

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  143. on June 6, 2008 at 3:26 pm alias clio

    RIP, Harriet McBryde Johnson (disability rights “activist” and author of this piece in the NYT in 2003; h/t to Eve Tushnet, DC blogger extraordinaire):

    He insists he doesn’t want to kill me. He simply thinks it would have been better, all things considered, to have given my parents the option of killing the baby I once was, and to let other parents kill similar babies as they come along and thereby avoid the suffering that comes with lives like mine and satisfy the reasonable preferences of parents for a different kind of child. It has nothing to do with me. I should not feel threatened.

    Whenever I try to wrap my head around his tight string of syllogisms, my brain gets so fried it’s . . . almost fun. Mercy! It’s like ”Alice in Wonderland.”

    It is a chilly Monday in late March, just less than a year ago. I am at Princeton University. My host is Prof. Peter Singer, often called — and not just by his book publicist — the most influential philosopher of our time. He is the man who wants me dead. No, that’s not at all fair. He wants to legalize the killing of certain babies who might come to be like me if allowed to live. He also says he believes that it should be lawful under some circumstances to kill, at any age, individuals with cognitive impairments so severe that he doesn’t consider them ”persons.” What does it take to be a person? Awareness of your own existence in time. The capacity to harbor preferences as to the future, including the preference for continuing to live….I used to try to explain that in fact I enjoy my life, that it’s a great sensual pleasure to zoom by power chair on these delicious muggy streets, that I have no more reason to kill myself than most people. But it gets tedious. God didn’t put me on this street to provide disability awareness training to the likes of them. In fact, no god put anyone anywhere for any reason, if you want to know.

    But they don’t want to know. They think they know everything there is to know, just by looking at me. That’s how stereotypes work. They don’t know that they’re confused, that they’re really expressing the discombobulation that comes in my wake.

    I used to try to explain that in fact I enjoy my life, that it’s a great sensual pleasure to zoom by power chair on these delicious muggy streets, that I have no more reason to kill myself than most people. But it gets tedious. God didn’t put me on this street to provide disability awareness training to the likes of them. In fact, no god put anyone anywhere for any reason, if you want to know.

    But they don’t want to know. They think they know everything there is to know, just by looking at me. That’s how stereotypes work. They don’t know that they’re confused, that they’re really expressing the discombobulation that comes in my wake.

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  144. on June 6, 2008 at 3:28 pm alias clio

    Sorry; the third paragraph got double-copied.

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  145. on June 6, 2008 at 3:32 pm sara

    143 alias clio

    That is awesome.

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  146. on June 6, 2008 at 4:45 pm David Alexander

    Whatever turns you on, but this reeks of “loser”. Not that I care really if men use sex robots, pornography, prostitutes and mail order brides.

    Well, it’s a sensible policy if you either believe in the woman shortage as detailed by Sestamibi, or if you’re simply a loser or some type of Omega male in need of sex.

    Sure you can fuck a fembot, pay an emotionally sick woman for “love”, or pick a wife from a catalog.

    As I’ve written before, a platonic female friend is how when gets the advantage of a solid emotional relationship with a girl, but without any of the downsides like expensive gift giving, awful sex, or monogamy.

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  147. on June 6, 2008 at 7:00 pm instant enlightenment

    Chuang Tzu says:

    Easy is right. Begin right and you are easy.
    Continue easy, and you are right.
    The right way to go easy is to forget the right way.
    And forget that the going is easy.

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  148. on June 6, 2008 at 8:07 pm anonymous

    Very good!

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  149. on June 6, 2008 at 8:41 pm Anonymous

    141: “You have no idea how I treat her. All you know is that I fuck other women.”

    You fuck other women with an element of keeping her in the dark about it and call her your #1, so you’re treating her like the top mare in a herd. That she’s OK with that on any level is also disturbing. I say again: Ew.

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  150. on June 6, 2008 at 9:24 pm Chic Noir

    sestamibi
    I think I need to rent fightclub because you have mentioned it a number of times when making a point. Do you mind telling me the premise of the movie.

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  151. on June 6, 2008 at 11:07 pm Comment_On_Mail_Order_Brides

    ***
    Not that I care really if men use sex robots, pornography, prostitutes and mail order brides. I’m sure with the needs of guys like you driving the market, what you want you will get!
    ***
    International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005 (IMBRA)
    http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1230

    Absurd nonsense. American Women have Standards. And Men are going to Meet Those Standards are the Police are going to Bust Their Ass. And no using foreign wives to get away. Just because you are a worthless beta-male whose life Woman is going to make miserable, YOU STAY! YOU PROPERTY!

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  152. on June 7, 2008 at 2:56 am anonymous

    Very ho hum writing. Mainstream outlook. Average at best.

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  153. on June 7, 2008 at 4:47 pm anonymous

    A truly average person, trying to appear special and getting all you losers to agree with him. Good or bad doesn’t matter, but special does. Roissy, you are just very ordinary.

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  154. on June 8, 2008 at 5:55 am sestamibi

    146 DA

    It’s not that there’s a woman shortage as much as women are hard wired to marry/mate up. Problem is as more and more of them attain higher status jobs and power, there are fewer men above them with whom to marry/mate.

    150 Chic Noir

    Fight Club is a 1999 movie starring Brad Pitt and Edward Norton. The premise is a bunch of guys who get together periodically to have one-on-ones trying to bash each other’s brains out. When they’re not doing this, they are stealing human fat removed from liposuction clinics to make a very high quality specialty soap, serving as banquet waiters (at feminist functions where they give each other awards?) and peeing in the soup, or passing around the one female character (Helena Bonham Carter) like she was a joint. At the end of the movie, the characters watch from the window of a downtown apartment while nearby skyscrapers collapse (very prophetic, I think).

    My point has always been that this is what happens to men in societies where they don’t run the show. One wonders how long it will take before they turn violent against the cuntocracy rather than each other.

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  155. on June 8, 2008 at 3:37 pm anonymous

    154 sestamibi

    “My point has always been that this is what happens to men in societies where they don’t run the show. One wonders how long it will take before they turn violent against the cuntocracy rather than each other.
    ”

    This “cuntocracy” is just the pendulum swinging too far the other way. It’s evolution’s way of creating balance. Do you think it’s pure accident that this has occurred? Do you not read your history books and all those horrid and nauseating facts about the way women have been kept “down” by men in the past? Do you believe those are all fairy tales crafted by hairy arm-pitted feminists??? Well, you’re just going to have to deal with it, but please try not to whine too much, because guys like you are very annoying. You’re starting to sound like a bunch of old ladies.

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  156. on June 9, 2008 at 12:25 am sestamibi

    155 anon

    Oh, I’m not whining. I have everything I need–a great job, and a beautiful family. My only complaint is that it came too late in life.

    As for “evolution’s” role, that could hardly be further from the truth. There has NEVER been a society where in which the balance of dyadic AND structural power accrues to females.

    “Do you not read your history books and all those horrid and nauseating facts about the way women have been kept “down” by men in the past? Do you believe those are all fairy tales crafted by hairy arm-pitted feminists??? Well, you’re just going to have to deal with it,”

    Deal with what? Subjugation of men by women? The feminists sold men a bill of goods called “equality”, but we know there’s no such thing. One group dominates the other. That’s how it’s always been, that’s how it will always be. And if I have to choose, I prefer subjugation of women by men.

    And no, I don’t have to deal with it. The next generation does. . . but since it’s not breeding, feminism will disappear once what was once known as the United States of America becomes an Islamic republic. Then you’ll REALLY find out about being kept down.

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  157. on June 9, 2008 at 5:53 pm anonymous

    156 All I’m saying is a balance will be achieved eventually, but the pendulum will swing this way and that a very long time before it happens. Call it evolution, nature, God, whatever. Balance is where we are headed. I agree that feminists forcing things the way they did is a rather violent way of going about it, but so was the Civil War.

    Just like equal rights for African Americans is being achieved in spite of the horrid violence of the Civil War, gender “inequality” (one gender supposedly having more value and power) will be abolished in spite of feminism. And by equality do NOT mean women will be carbon copies of men or vice versa. That whole attempt is a disaster.

    Your fatalistic attitude that one must always subjugate the other is disturbing and short-sited, but so are the attitudes of 99.9% of the population. Fortunately that attitude will gradually evolve into oblivion, but it will take some time to put it mildly. But it will happen in spite of your attitude to the contrary. The forces of the laws of natures which drive evolution are thankfully more powerful than you or I individually.

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  158. on June 9, 2008 at 6:51 pm sestamibi

    157

    “The forces of the laws of natures which drive evolution are thankfully more powerful than you or I individually.”

    Yes, but evolution can’t move if its participants don’t breed. Feminists and those who put career first don’t, while more patriarchal societies do. They will survive, while the former will disappear.

    Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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  159. on June 9, 2008 at 7:17 pm Steve Johnson

    158:

    “Why is this so hard for you to understand?”

    Because anon 157 isn’t using the word “evolution” to mean what it means. Evolution to anon 157 is some mysterious force that moves the world toward perfection (sometimes it goes too far in “correcting” a past “excess”). This used to known as “providence” – it’s a religious concept.

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  160. on June 10, 2008 at 12:23 am Chic Noir

    sestamibi, thanks for the wrap up.

    So women should be willing to take the inferior role or should the sexes share power.

    What about when women are thrust into an inferior position? How do women behave.

    Oh, I’m not whining. I have everything I need–a great job, and a beautiful family. My only complaint is that it came too late in life,/i>

    You should view the years before you found your wife and had your lovely family as your ME years and look on them fondly.

    Yes, but evolution can’t move if its participants don’t breed. Feminists and those who put career first don’t, while more patriarchal societies do. They will survive, while the former will disappear

    Women have and should continue to have the right to chose if they want children ,carreer or try both.

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  161. on June 10, 2008 at 2:49 am anonymous

    159 Steve

    Evolution: “the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier ”

    This is going to be where I lose you, but what the hell. What do you suppose DRIVES evolution? Where does the impetus come from?

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  162. on June 10, 2008 at 2:59 am anonymous

    Providence: the protective care of God or of nature as a spiritual power.

    That is not what I was referring to. It has nothing to do with protection. If you look at the human body for example, if your skull is misshapen, your spine will curve to compensate, muscles will tighten on one side or the other to create balance. I’m saying that energetically (whoops! red flag! I used the word energy!) a balance is the natural state and your physical apparatus (body) reflects that. Same with relationships. Balance between male and female is natural, but not normal as we view how the majority conduct their lives. Clear as mud? LOL It’s O.K.

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  163. on June 10, 2008 at 3:00 am sestamibi

    160 Chic Noir

    “So women should be willing to take the inferior role or should the sexes share power.”

    (Sigh) My point is that power cannot be “shared”. Almost every single leadership position today goes to a female. Do you ever see any men on TV news any more? Do you ever see a man in a leadership position in the Democratic party? Women make up ever-larger shares of college graduating classes, and now the majority in medical and law schools.

    In Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell posed an image of the future as a boot stamping on a human face forever. If feminists have their way, the boot would be a stiletto heel and the face would have a beard.

    “You should view the years before you found your wife and had your lovely family as your ME years and look on them fondly.”

    I wouldn’t wish my life then on ANYONE, even you!

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  164. on June 10, 2008 at 4:08 am Steve Johnson

    162 anon:

    Here’s a better definition of providence:

    Providence

    The operation of God in the universe; the unfolding of the divine plan. The concept is affirmed by the Stoics, and all three monotheistic religions. […]

    It’s not about “protection” as you put it, it’s a mysterious force that makes things the way they should be. That’s what you described. A mysterious force that “rebalanced” the culture after “the pendulum swung too far in one direction”. That’s not evolution.

    Evolution is more properly referred to as “natural selection” (and sexual selection, but we’ll leave that aside for now). Unless you are saying that societies compete with each other and the winners survive and the losers are wiped out, “evolution” doesn’t shape cultural change.

    Here’s a simple test: does the unit you are talking about leave fewer descendants or more descendants due to the characteristic you’re talking about? If not, you’re not talking about evolution the way people who actually know anything about biology talk about it.

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  165. on June 10, 2008 at 4:13 am Steve Johnson

    “This is going to be where I lose you, but what the hell. What do you suppose DRIVES evolution? Where does the impetus come from?”

    Natural selection and sexual selection.

    Natural selection to pick organisms that can get enough food and not be eaten by predators or killed by parasites before reproducing. This force is why cheetah teeth are exactly as wide as the width of gazelle vertebrae.

    Sexual selection to pick organisms that are appealing to the more choosy of the two sexes. This sometimes spirals into excesses as the choosy sex then becomes more and more choosy. Peacocks are the usual example of this type of selection.

    That’s about it.

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  166. on June 11, 2008 at 6:40 am Schizodoxe | le blog des mutations : sciences, technologie, robotique, culture, video, news, infos, analyses...

    […] Source : Roissy in DC. […]

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  167. on June 15, 2008 at 5:07 pm Sara

    165 Steve

    I posted some anonymous comments because Lisa asked me to please go away, and I wanted her to feel better. LOL I hope she feels better now and so I’m coming back hoping not to offend her again. Double LOL.

    “This force is why cheetah teeth are exactly as wide as the width of gazelle vertebrae.”

    For the cheetah and humans the driving force is personal preference. It’s what we are wanting from the cellular level up. Being that humans are self conscious, the spiritual enters into it and when we are in balance with our “higher power” or the force that creates worlds if you will, we are IN balance. There are varying degrees of being in or out of balance with variable results.

    That is all. ^_^

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  168. on June 22, 2008 at 1:04 am mariecurette

    I love abortion too. I need abortion to live, to create ,to keep my freedom and beauty. I need abortion for I’d not suffer a babe growing up in my belly.

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  169. on June 22, 2008 at 5:10 am SovereignAmericanMale

    Testing? Hello? Gannon what did you do to the board? I don’t see my last post…

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  170. on June 22, 2008 at 5:11 am SovereignAmericanMale

    The art of social planing (abortion, birth control, and homosexual normalization as a means of population reduction, for the betterment of mankind [eugenics], conservation of the natural environment [treehuging], and control by the elite [global conquest])

    An alternate perspective…
    (Here is why its all bullshiz)
    “The Myth of Human Overpopulation”

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_depopu22.htm

    @Roissy
    You may think abortion is something the Feminists cooked up on their own, in the genderwar for equality.

    That notion while pretty, is misleading: Margaret Sanger got her money, and her dream from very *VERY* very rich philanthropic foundations. She was a tool, and her goals were already being looked at for some time.

    Her child “Planned Parenthood” has the record for ending unborn human life through advocacy and direct action, and is still being financed by the Elite of elites (Warren Buffet, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation et al.)

    To the reader:
    Please read with an open mind, and weigh the evidence. Don’t let your internal values and programing, short circuit logic and reason.
    A lot of your values have been created for you, and covertly washed into your mind. I will do my level best to provide research points for those who, seek the truth, without regard to political correctness. If you want to know the “Who” has done this to you, read Dr. John Coleman’s book.

    [I call it meme-shattering. Others have called it “The authoritative expose of the greatest brainwashing organization to ever exist in the course of human history”] Dr. John Coleman’s book:
    “The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Cultural, Political, and Economic Decline of the United States of America”

    Population Control Background: “Reverend Dr Thomas Robert Malthus”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus

    “Before Malthus, commentators had regarded high fertility as an economic advantage, since it increased the number of workers available to the economy. Malthus, however, looked at fertility from a new perspective and later convinced most of the other economists that even though high fertility might increase the gross output, it tended to reduce output per capita.”

    Ironically, given Malthus’s own opposition to contraception,

    his work exercised a strong influence on Francis Place (1771–1854), whose Neo-Malthusian movement became the first to advocate contraception. Place published his “Illustrations and Proofs of the Principles of Population” in 1822.

    Malthus’s idea of man’s “struggle for existence” had an influence on the inception of Darwin’s theory of evolution, along with A. P. de Candolle’s idea of “nature’s war”.

    Other scientists related this idea to plants and animals, which helped to define a piece of the evolutionary puzzle. This struggle for existence of all creatures provides the catalyst by which natural selection produces the “survival of the fittest”, a phrase coined by Herbert Spencer.

    Darwin, in his book The Origin of Species, called his theory an application of the doctrines of Malthus in an area without the complicating factor of human intelligence.

    Darwin, a life-long admirer of Malthus, referred to Malthus as “that great philosopher” and wrote in his notebook that “Malthus on Man should be studied”.

    Wallace called Malthus’s essay “…the most important book I read…” and considered it “the most interesting coincidence” that reading Malthus led both himself and Darwin, independently, towards the idea of evolution.

    So [Eugenically speaking] Malthus, begat Darwin, who begat Freud begat the Tavistock Institute

    Darwin distinguished between “inferior” human races and “superior” races, even superior nations (such as Great Britain).

    “Darwin of The Descent of Man (1871)”

    Like many others at the time, Sigmund Freud accepted these ideas and used them to support his views on the progress of civilization through the difficult, but necessary, repression of instinctual drives, a repression that made necessary the phenomenon of sublimation, which directed these energies to more “noble” ends…

    Darwin’s The Descent of Man (1871), a work that postulated a process of continuous evolution from animal to man and distinguished stages within human evolution, that is, a temporal sequence that was also a form of progress

    Sigmund Freud takes the Eugenic Baton, from Darwin.
    Freud cites Darwin at least twenty times in his published writings. It is possible, however, to identify three “Darwins” in Freud’s work:

    *The first is the Darwin of “The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals” (1872), referred to by Freud in “the Studies on Hysteria” (1895d)

    *The second is Darwin of The Origin of Species (1859)
    *The third is Darwin of The Descent of Man. (1871)
    for a good write up on this:

    http://www.answers.com/topic/darwin-darwinism-and-psychoanalysis?cat=health

    Freud and Tavistock:
    Tavistock Institute is headquartered in London. Its Progenitor, Sigmund Freud, settled in Maresfield Gardens when he moved to England. He was given a mansion by Princess Bonaparte. Tavistock’s pioneer work in behavioral science along Freudian lines of “controlling” humans established it as the world center of Population Control and Eugenic ideology

    All Tavistock foundation techniques have a single goal—to break down the psychological strength of the individual and render him senseless to oppose the new “status quo”. Any technique which helps to break down the family unit, and family inculcated principles of religion, honor, patriotism and sexual behavior, is used by the Tavistock scientists as weapons of group dynamics, and mass control.

    The methods of Freudian psychotherapy induce permanent mental illness in those who undergo this treatment by destabilizing their character. The victim is then advised to “establish new rituals of personal interaction”, that is, to indulge in brief sexual encounters which actually set the participants adrift with no stable personal relationships in their lives, destroying their ability to establish or maintain a family.

    {Read Population control through normalization of homosexuality and promiscuity}

    The Tavistock Institute has developed such power in the U.S. that no one achieves prominence in any field unless he has been trained in behavioral science at Tavistock or one of its subsidiaries. And its list of schools and trainees are legion.

    Here are some examples, of the Tavistock’s handiwork.

    Ted Turner: 2006
    Back in 1996, Turner stated in an interview with Audubon Magazine that a 95% population reduction would be ideal. Below is his quote.

    “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” -Ted Turner

    Just in case, you think he is talking shit… Read on.

    Ted Turner:
    April 8, 2008:

    Ted Turner Tallies 6.4 Billion Deaths for Sustainability

    On Tuesday, April 8th, media mogul, philanthropist and environmentalist Ted Turner spoke before several hundred students and faculty at Temple University.

    During the Q&A, Nick Laskow brought up the issue of extreme population reduction, (an issue that has been promoted time and again by many elite figures such as Prince Phillip.) Because of the different and varying methods proposed for such a dastardly deed, Laskow inquired as to how Turner planned on significantly constricting the human family. Turner provoked a mixed response from the audience when he proposed a worldwide decree demanding that families limit their offspring to one child, a policy in effect in China.

    Later Phillip Figueiredo highlighted Turner’s hypocrisy with regard to population reduction – Figueiredo asked Turner how he reconciles his views with his having raised five children of his own. Turner gave a snide response quipping that “you can’t kill them when they’re here.”

    —————————————————————————
    Prince Philip, in his Foreward to “If I Were an Animal” – United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986

    “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.”
    —————————————————————————
    Lastly Lookup the “Georgia Guidestones”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

    (for a look see goto http://www.radioliberty.com/gg3.gif )

    1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

    2. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.

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  171. on June 22, 2008 at 5:31 am SovereignAmericanMale

    http://sovereignamericanmale.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/hello-world/#comments

    Here is the Post I was trying to get on here, in case its being locked up for spam.

    Btw, its my first Blog-site… I am “officially” a blogger now

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  172. on June 25, 2008 at 7:05 am commoner

    I sat in on a class at UCLA law on this subject. Bottom line as I see it: Abortion kills babies, but upholds personal rights. In other words, it’s morally wrong, but who the fuck cares. Economically, no babies are great, especially those beloved alcoholic teen babies. As to your last paragraph, the coat hangers are no longer used due to legalized abortion. Yay!

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  173. on August 3, 2008 at 11:36 pm pro quality of life choice

    Wouldn’t it have been a better world if Jeffrey Dahmer’s mother had gotten an abortion? Or maybe Hitler’s mother? I suppose just as many bad people have been kept out of this world as good…face reality anyway…this world is over two thousand years down the road of disobedience and decadence…not a fit or nice place to be for alot of people…besides God will be the Judge…not any of you.

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  174. on August 16, 2008 at 1:45 am Anonymous

    What is Albert Einstein had been aborted, or or Ghandi, Winston Churchill, Marie Curie, Mother Tereasa, or the countless other people who have made significant contributions to our world…or is it “who the fuck cares??????”

    Should we just shoot Steven Hawkins now becuase he is a cripple and just regard it as a late term abortion, why not apply this inconvience of existence logic to victims of car accidents, work place accidents or war veterans or anone who is long term ill whth or with any likely who of recovery.

    In fact insteade of trying to support the poor lets apply compulsary abortion to the offspring of the unemployed longer than 3 months or the offspring of displaced war refuggees and natural diasters where in the third world or first world.

    In fact anywhere that there is any potential of poverty, short or long term lets set up euthanisa clinics where people can humanley put to sleep like unwanted animals.

    Lets abort the children of anyone under the age of 25 who doesn’t have a university degree or trade skills.

    lets make it illegal for minorities or immigrants to have children at all and that their existing children be euthanised prior to their parents being granted access to the country, solve any potential domestic terroism problems.

    Then because there will be such a small population base to support any tax base, lets make it complusary to be euthanised at retirement which is the trade off for being allowed to be born in the first place.

    The down side to the proposed method is that they must die the same way as lae term abortions babies with no pain relief is to be administered to the victim in the same whay the late term abortion babies who have full pain reception functions are not administered any pain medication prior to their lives being ended (as it would in fact be a recognition that they are actually alive and human….UK tests have found that the chemicals in the fluid bags reveal that aborted babies experience agonising deaths…so would you if you had your arms and legs ripped off before your heads was crushed to bring you through your mothers partially opened cervics or had you head protruded from your mother body faced down so you can’t breathe and be declared legally alive and then a hole drilled in the base of your skull and then your brains sucked out)….so to bring fairness in to the equation of my retirment euthanisa policy, you can experience the agony of abortion at either end of your life.

    Lets not try and solve any of the worlds problems lets not have any aide missions or try and help anyone involved is a diaster as it it simply the cosmos trying to reduce population, so if you were in new orleans, too bad, you should have willingly sacrificed yoursel rather than complain about the difficulties you have faced since.

    Let decriminalise murder and manslaughter and lets embrace 9/11 as an unforseen population control measure. Lets champion osama bin laden as a popluation control expert via the killing of innocents.

    You who advocate abortion…..you are just modern day NAZIS….the death camps are just abortion clinics

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  175. on September 3, 2008 at 11:31 pm dougjnn

    Lemmonex 10 —

    “Killing a fetus is not something anyone wants to contemplate deeply. It is hard to admit that if I made a decision to have an abortion, it would be to benefit me. Not the potential kid, not society, just me.”

    I realize that what I’m about to say is not a good move in the empathy display (mistakenly) / status whoring sweepstakes, I really do, but abortion bothers me not one iota. Not even a little bit. I even support infanticide, for a very limited time period (say six months) and only in that case if there are really serious birth defects.

    BUT I do realize that most women feel differently, and I DO (HAVE) had a huge amount of empathy for a woman I mistakenly impregnated who is torn up about abortion, and I’ve been there for her every step of the way. This includes really casual hookup cases that went preggo (one of them). That girl fell rather in love with me after the sex, during the abortion saga, which I didn’t want, but I have my ethics and empathy. The extraction was hard, and yeah I worried that she’d change her mind just because I was being so supportive, so yeah I did send other messages, but was still there for her.

    I think people don’t realize how pretty much exclusively Christian this horror of abortion (or for that matter early infanticide) is. It’s religious dogma, one that has survived and been revived even in post Christian circles in this still very Christian United States, rather than a human universal.

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  176. on September 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm dougjnn

    Anonymous 174–

    “What is Albert Einstein had been aborted, or or Ghandi, Winston Churchill, Marie Curie, Mother Tereasa, or the countless other people who have made significant contributions to our world…or is it “who the fuck cares??????””

    That’s such a pile of stinking dung hill argument. Worthy of a Catholic seminary.

    I’ll tell you what. That woman would have had another kid or two or three with a better man when she was more ready. That man would likely have been far more able to provide a good education. Einstein would have far more likely resulted.

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  177. on September 3, 2008 at 11:54 pm dougjnn

    alias clio 17 —

    “With constantly improving embryonic screening techniques for genetic or physical abnormalities, our gloriously abortifacient new world offers women and the men who love them the opportunity to prevent the misery and suffering of the doomed. For what could be more cruel than knowingly bringing to life a soul trapped in a twisted body or a stunted mind, wracked with pain and shame and exposed to a lifetime of horrible torment as objects of his affection forever elude him, his heart never to pulse with requited romantic love. I have nothing but seething hatred for those parents who willingly allow the births of babies with torturous afflictions.

    The most truly immoral passage you’ve ever written.”
    ——————–

    The most narrowly Catholic passage you’ve ever written.

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  178. on September 3, 2008 at 11:57 pm anonymous

    174: On the flip side, what if any number of Hitlers, Dahmers or Mansons have already been nipped in the bud (so to speak) thanks to abortion, hmmm?

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  179. on September 4, 2008 at 12:00 am dougjnn

    alias cleo 32 —

    “It is just barely possible to make an argument in favour of abortion rights on behalf of the mother (though I do not do this myself, I see its point), but it is extremely dangerous to attempt to support abortion on behalf of the child and its presumed sufferings.”

    While I disagree with you on much (but also agree on much), your mind combined with what I have gleaned from the archives here and elsewhere you “physicality” turn me on. Yeah, I’m not a young pup either.

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  180. on September 4, 2008 at 5:35 pm Roissy Takes On Sarah Palin - Tenderly « Roissy in DC

    […] have the technology to prevent the suffering this child will endure his whole life. As I said in my Why I Love Abortion post and which Alias Clio said was the most immoral thing I ever wrote: With constantly improving […]

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  181. on January 22, 2009 at 2:18 pm Oregon Commentator » Blog Archive

    […] fact, here’s a guy who is very pro-abortion. I mean the title of the post is, “Why I love abortion.” It doesn’t get more pro […]

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  182. on January 28, 2009 at 12:18 am Hypocrite hater

    Patrick Bateman, you are the biggest hypocrite fuck , PERIOD.

    If you hate abortion SOOOO much, then don’t fuck around and if you are “so good” to women you wouldn’t act like such a patriarchal asshole!

    What ethics do you have, you fucking piece of cumspit?
    Too bad your mother didn’t abort you!

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  183. on August 23, 2009 at 11:42 pm lolaluv

    Uhhh, right.

    It’s not about making life easier for the male in the situation. When a woman gets an abortion, it’s a choice for herself and for HER future. If she’s in college, or in high school, or pursuing a career that would not leave time for a child, or if she can not financially/emotionally support the child at the time, an abortion is an option for her.

    It’s certainly better than having the child, and the father and mother splitting up…and even worse, the father not wanting anything to do with the child, or not even paying child support.

    Abortion is liberating for the woman, and if the man feels liberated in the process, good for him. If he leaves the woman who had an abortion to go and “play the field”, no sweat off of the woman’s back. She doesn’t have a child by the asshole to worry about and emotionally drain her while he continues on his adventure to fuck everything that walks.

    And as for “forced fatherhood”? No such thing. You fuck a girl, you know you can get her pregnant. You chose this. This was your choice. No one FORCED you to do anything. Deal with the consequences. But, apparently, men have serious issues in dealing with the consequences of their actions, and being RESPONSIBLE.

    Clearly, men have a more difficult time in doing something that we call…GROWING THE FUCK UP and maturing. While of course, the woman is left to be the responsible adult in the situation, meanwhile, the man dodges his responsibilities and even turns to drugs and alcohol to put a band-aid on his pain and shame.

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  184. on September 2, 2009 at 5:00 am Anonymous

    dougjnn,

    you really are a stupid, small minded, and hubristic individual. I dare you to put your real name behind your vitriol, so the next person who googles your name can put a face to your pathetic intellectual capacity.

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  185. on November 9, 2009 at 11:52 am Conversation I Had With A Vegetarian Girl « Roissy in DC

    […] Actually, no, I have no problem with abortion. But then I have no problem with killing and eating cow […]

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  186. on April 5, 2010 at 2:37 pm Thor

    Yup. Not “nice” but true.
    Especially, I would like a system where a woman
    who finds herself pregnant would be required
    to contact the presumtive father. He would then
    have a choice of
    a) Opting out. No visitation rights, no child support
    OR
    b) Opting in. Shared custody or great visitation
    rights. And child support.

    The woman would have the right to overrule b),
    but not a).

    The woman would then, based on that, make the
    decision do abort or not.

    It is especially odious that the femtard movement
    has spent decades clamoring for the legalization
    of abortion and the retention of such rights,
    even to the extremity of “partial birth” abortions.
    When confronted with the argument “you should
    have thought of the risk of pregnancy before you
    spread your legs”, the argument has always been
    waved away as idiotic.

    Now that the tables are turned, and men are
    held to child support, when men complain,
    they are met with “You should have thought
    of that before getting it on”, the same argument
    they have spent so much time denigrating.

    As to the eugenic factor, getting the government
    out of supporting children would go a long way.
    But it might put a crimp in the style of some alphas.
    Tough shit.

    Thor

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  187. on May 7, 2010 at 10:42 am Preschoolers Working It « Citizen Renegade

    […] The time has come to institute a parenting test for all would-be mothers. If you fail the test, you get sterilized, or your child gets sent to an orphanage at birth. At the very least, we should be removing any and all welfare statist safety nets from the bottom of burgeoning wombs. If you can’t raise a kid without state aid or corporate aid (paid maternity leave is a form of consumer-supported welfare that enables single motherhood), then it dies in the street. Viva la abortion! […]

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  188. on September 21, 2010 at 5:16 pm Rarfy

    I sense a weird sarcasm in this post, but I agree with it on its face. I love abortion, or at least its possibility. In my state there’s a ballot proposition that comes up every once in awhile saying that underage girls should have to get their parents’ permission to have an abortion. Thankfully it always gets voted down, and I always vote no. If I knock up some jailbait chick I don’t want her parents to know about it! geez

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  189. on February 7, 2011 at 12:24 am Pro-Abortion and Anti-Woman - Page 3 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

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  190. on March 22, 2011 at 5:26 pm nashaly

    abortion is wrong because if you were not aborth when you were a baby why the hell ?you want to aborth another living life?, god punish that and i had know womans in P.R. who have aborth and 4 of them today want to have babies and they cannot theres no way they cannot and also there are 100’s of ways to do not have babies if you were enoght woman to make a baby and had sex u should be enoght woman to have the baby and if u dont want it well just give it away to someone who will love it or to a home dont just aborth ITS WRONGG and the constitucion will never accept it. neeeeeeeeeeeeeeveeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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