Three guys. One cramped dance floor space. A smooth moves battle royale to catch the attentions of the two girls with their backs turned to them. Who will take home the gold?
dancing with the sausage.
(Happy dude holding drink is Wayne Brady, providing humorous color commentary.)
Guy in the V-neck steps up first and does the robot. Not bad, but girls are unimpressed. Judges score: Backs still turned.
Guy in the fashionable “I Adidas DC” T-shirt immediately follows him and goes old school with a break dancing routine that causes people walking by to be extra careful stepping over him. Judges score: Girls briefly turn around to watch because they got bored with the guys talking to them.
Fan favorite “really tall guy in the sack-crushing capris” takes the floor and does… something really GHEY. And yet I cannot look away:
taste the rainbow.
Judges score: 10.0 for the joyous shirt, 9.0 for look of concentration, 0.0 for capturing female attention. As you can see, the girls remain unimpressed with the action, prefering to focus on their beta suitors. One girl did point and laugh.
Capri guy sat down with the judges later for a post-contest interview and it turned out he was actually kind of cool in a warped way. He admitted being bisexual (read: 100% gay).
At least he had an excuse. What were the other guys thinking? No man dances for personal enjoyment; he does it either to get close to girls already dancing or to show off his moves for girls watching. The man dance-off is like the perfect storm of gayness and toolness. As far as male status competitions go, it’s lower than drinking games.
On the streets of New York this kind of thing works because there are usually lots of girls watching to take social cues from each other that it’s acceptable to get caught up in the excitement of the status displays. It was closing time when these guys squared off and there were only a few girls nearby. Male mini-status displays don’t work as well when there aren’t lots of admiring girls to give the warriors social proof of their skills. Girls often look to other girls to gauge the alphaness of men doing questionable activities. If one girl looks over at the other girl in attendance and sees she is not paying attention to the frenetic dance-off, she will remain aloof.
You could have two dorky guys playing PINBALL and as long as there is at least one horny admiring girl in the crowd to inspire the other girls, the winning pinballer will get laid.
Is that adidas in the 2nd pic talking to what, judging from the calf, appears to be a hot chick? I award 1st prize.
Although it’s close between him and contestant #4, the guy sitting down a few feet away taking pictures of bisexual men in tight black jeans.
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Why do bi guy and Adidas guy have their hands on their faces in the first picture?
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The big untapped dance floor weapon: the disco dance. Tohn Travolta. Saturday Night Fever. Alternately pointing at your belt buckle and the ceiling.
Learn it, and do it well. Not ironically like you’re too cool. Not like a drunk moron doing YMCA.
Do it right, do it with authority, do it like an artist, and girls will be flocking to you in hopes of playing your Stephanie Mangano.
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Alpha: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-979997185182911681&ei=YJ2pSL_MA46g4AK88OGACQ&q=so+you+think+you+can+dance&vt=lf&hl=en
Beta: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8462792766309473123&ei=9pypSNqmKIbs4gL_xqCbDQ&q=so+you+think+you+can+dance&vt=lf&hl=en
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Dancing is supposedly never a good idea.
It’s fine for some cheap thrills (i.e. grinding your little woody on some chick’s thigh) but that’s about all it’s good for.
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Dancing is supposedly never a good idea
Probably true, unless you’re good at it. Most guys aren’t.
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One of the most important nuggets of the article:
‘He admitted being bisexual (read: 100% gay).’
Absolutely true. If this hasn’t been listed in your universal truths yet, it should be.
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Probably true, unless you’re good at it. Most guys aren’t.
Neither are most girls. But, watching girls move their bodies is always nice. Still, very few can actually dance.
If you need any evidence of this, simply watch a girl who is not thin, but not fat either, try to dance. It is very easy to take your eyes of of her.
Then compare her to some girl that doesn’t have any real dance in her, but can move to the rhythm and you will watch her all night long.
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Dancing is gay. Why would any straight man dance for any reason other than getting his dick wet? Why do women prefer good dancers? Dancing ability seems to correlate with femininity. All women and gay men can dance, but many straight men can’t. I can’t dance for shit.
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Neither are most girls. But, watching girls move their bodies is always nice. Still, very few can actually dance.
True. One caveat, though. There are girls with an innate talent for dancing. I am still vividly picturing these two girls at a club about 15 years ago.
One, an average-looking one and her very cute, borderline hot friend. Objectibvely, the second one was much better looking. But the first one, who fit your description of “not thin, but not fat either,” had this something in the way she danced. It was beyond sexy.
It was impossible to take your eyes off her. It was like being in a trance and watching a snake move slowly.
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The anti-sexy girl dance, even if she’s hot: drunk, dumb grin, beer bottle in hamd.
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Why do women prefer good dancers?
Because 99% of women like to dance. If your man can dance, you can hit the scene together and have a lot of fun – without having to worry about other men harassing you. Yeah, you can go out with your girlfriends and dance, but it’s a lot more fun with your significant other. Also, if he isn’t inhibited and akward on the dance floor, he most certainly won’t be inhibited and akward in the bedroom.
Guys who can dance WELL are usually confident, and this is also a turn on.
The guys in Roissy’s article are:
1. ugly
2. putting out the gay/hipster vibe (some girls might like this, I don’t)
2. unimpressive and akward (juding from the stills)
3. dancing in a circle with each other which makes them unapproachable even if you were interested
PA is correct – it isn’t the actual act of dancing that is the downfall of these three men – it is the combination of factors listed. Nothing is hotter than a guy who can dance well and with confidence.
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Yeah I know … I can’t spell.
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Since you have a video of The Who posted – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfGOGv4aock from feeds
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3-o8mUVGxQ from a cell phone that was there.
Good band
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yet, Patrick Bateman is still somehow gay.
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There are girls with an innate talent for dancing. I am still vividly picturing these two girls …the second one was much better looking. But the first one, who fit your description of “not thin, but not fat either,” had this something in the way she danced. It was beyond sexy.
That’s right. Very few can truly dance, and, when you see it, you remember it. Especially when it seems to ooze sexiness.
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A lot of the commenters here seem to think that dancing can never be beneficial for guys’ status, but they are definitely wrong on this point. I’m a swing dancer, and let me tell you the very best male swing dancers get a _lot_ of female attention.
The issue with club dancing is that there’s no structure on which status is clearly defined. A guy that does the robot really well may be seen as having talent, but unless he’s at a robot-dancing convention that doesn’t really translate to status. The next guy just does the moonwalk or whatever his specialty is, nobody can really establish a pecking order because you’re comparing apples to oranges, and so females don’t take notice because they have little to gain from these talents.
Swing dancing is a closed community with more established aesthetics and social conventions; it’s pretty hard to confuse someone who’s an accomplished dancer with someone who just walked in off the street. Thus, being good at this well-defined activity conveys a lot of status to the women within the community. I assume that most other formal dances work basically the same way. It doesn’t hurt that the dance is a partnered dance, so any instance in which a high-status male would establish his status is also an instance in which the female he’s dancing with gets publicly associated with that high-status male.
Not surprisingly, there are relatively few gay males in the swing dance community.
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Because 99% of women like to dance. If your man can dance…
Bullshit.
Very few young women care about true, old fashioned, fairly difficult to learn dancing. It is the new stuff that they really like. And when a girl can dance with a guy she basically gets to simulate sex without actually going home with him or even kissing him. In other words, it is safe.
And, she gets to evaluate his sexual status at the same time. It is win-win for girls. This is why girls love to dance with NEW guys so much (yes, I know that she will also like to dance with her current man, but boy does she love to dance with some new guy).
Lastly, even of the guy does not dance particularly well, well, she still got to shake her shit in front of all the other guys. And, if this guy chose her over the other girls, well, she gets to have that piece of cake too.
Fuck win-win. It is more like win-win-win-win-win.
A few wives do get interested in what might be called real dancing, and they take lessons with their husband, or somebody. But, if you ever see that dynamic, it is very different.
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One more observation (and then I’m done, I swear).
There is dancing that is “partner” friendly and then there is dancing that is not. If I’m dancing with a guy – we should be moving together – this isn’t supposed to be a competitive dance off.
If you’re going to make an investment in learning how to dance – attend a few ballroom or salsa dance lessons. Don’t expect to meet any hot chicks at the actual lessons – especially ballroom. Most of the classes that I’ve been to are full of fat chicks wearing large denim skirts and platform boots…?
But hey – it will be a good workout – and if you can twirl a 250lb woman, imagine what you will be able to do with your 125lb date.
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Ok I lied …
@17 Usually Lurking, you must live in the 7th level of hell. I actually go out dancing a lot – and yes there are scantly clad chicks who grind on losers (really the guys don’t even have to dance, just stand there, and most do) – but this is not the norm. And they usually draw dirty looks and criticism from the crowd.
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” Also, if he isn’t inhibited and akward on the dance floor, he most certainly won’t be inhibited and akward in the bedroom. ”
No correlation. Fail.
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@21 Dr. Grzlickson, is this first hand knowledge?
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brandyfine:
Also, if he isn’t inhibited and akward on the dance floor, he most certainly won’t be inhibited and akward in the bedroom.
although this is a popularly held belief among women, i can tell you speaking from personal experience that, even though i dislike dancing and rarely do it, my bedroom skills, judging by the number of breathless “you’re the best i’ve ever had” post-coital exclamations from a variety of satisfied sources, are unparalleled.
conclusion: practice makes perfect.
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@15
Did a guy named Raphael call me gay? Just tell people your name and they already know your hobbies include fellating men and hair styling.
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Also, if he isn’t inhibited and akward on the dance floor, he most certainly won’t be inhibited and akward in the bedroom.
As someone else already pointed out, this is false. I go caveman on my girls, but I have two left feet. The guys who can dance tend to be fem. Not exactly the types who can throw a woman around in the bedroom. I plan to take dance lessons eventually, but only so I can dance on my wedding day. My main girl is a fucking phenomenal dancer.
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Roissy – I never said that guys who couldn’t dance are automatically poor performers.
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Most of the classes that I’ve been to are full of fat chicks wearing large denim skirts and platform boots
That’s right.
yes there are scantly clad chicks who grind
I never said anything about how the girls dance or how they might rub up against their partners.
I said what I said. It is easy enough to understand.
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I must have hit a nerve. My comments on this site usually go ignored…
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Here is a very useful study about dancing for young men:
http://www.scienceandsex.com/images/Dancesymmetry_Nature.pdf
It reveals symmetry, the best dancers tend to be the most symmetrical. Thus, there are high payoffs to dancing well.
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are you saying that ladies won’t be impressed by my “Shadow Dancing” prowess? Damn.
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Think of dancing as a sexual tryout.
Hit the dance floor, start grinding with a chick, and she gets to evaluate:
1) Your sense of rhythm
2) How good your hands can make her feel
3) Sexual confidence, i.e do you have the balls to run her pussy
4) Size of your dick as it gets hard against her ass
By refusing to dance, you communicate that you are deficient in one or more of these categories. Solve for the equilibrium, and bust a move.
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“judging by the number of breathless “you’re the best i’ve ever had” post-coital exclamations”
Zero isn’t a number.
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I’ve also read somewhere that dancing and fighting ability are strongly correlated, so male dancing is a signal of fighting ability. I would provide a source, but as an excellent dancer AND fighter, I don’t fear the reprecussions of your anger.
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“On the streets of New York this kind of thing works because there are usually lots of girls watching to take social cues from each other that it’s acceptable to get caught up in the excitement of the status displays. It was closing time when these guys squared off and there were only a few girls nearby. Male mini-status displays don’t work as well when there aren’t lots of admiring girls to give the warriors social proof of their skills. Girls often look to other girls to gauge the alphaness of men doing questionable activities. If one girl looks over at the other girl in attendance and sees she is not paying attention to the frenetic dance-off, she will remain aloof.
You could have two dorky guys playing PINBALL and as long as there is at least one horny admiring girl in the crowd to inspire the other girls, the winning pinballer will get laid.”
Roissy,
You really do have it figured out, and have eloquently explained it. That is exactly what is going on. Gals checking with their girlfriends so the alpha female of the group can say “yeah, this is cool” so the other girls can “DECIDE” to be attracted to it. It sucks that women can be such little titty babies and not decide for themselves what attracts them instead of allowing her friends to decide what attracts them, but that is certainly the way they are. Men never act this way, and if one of your buds is into skinny Euro-looking women, and another is into larger gals with “ghetto-asses”, and another is into monster tits, none of your pals will ever tell you that she is verbotten. In fact, they will encourage you to indulge your particular lust no matter how different it is from theirs because somebody’s got to fuck the short girls, the big girls, even the homely ones with the nice bodies and your male buds who are your true friends want you to be happy—–unlike so many “girlfriends” are with each other.
If a guy thinks about it, simply supplying coke to several alpha females, who in turn will tell their little friends that he is “cool”, would probably be a much less labor intensive way to easily score without trying very hard. Its almost as if the alpha female of a group of five gives permission to the other gals who to fuck sometimes, so powerful is the ceremony of the cockblock.
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In fact, they will encourage you to indulge your particular lust no matter how different it is from theirs because somebody’s got to fuck the short girls, the big girls…
Z, most guys that have a “crew” will rag anyone within it that routinely chooses obviously ugly girls. I am not talking about going Hoggin’, or even going “ugly early”, but actually being attracted to some ugly chick.
Right or wrong, that is usually what happens.
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My name is Dr. Grzlickson.
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I dance for personal enjoyment. I’m not white enough to hate dancing. But yeah, dancing will not get you anywhere worthwhile with girls.
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I still remain rather unconvinced that a large percentage of females specifically go out to clubs to dance and that’s it.
I think a larger percentage go out to clubs with the idea of dancing in order to get attention, whether from males or females.
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try as I might to believe in the validity of the man dance-off even in the best of circumstances (friends who are legitimately talented break dancers….) the lack of talented male dancers i know who actually have at least mildly attractive girls has made this a venue I never participate in. the exception: salsa dancing. 1/3 of the girls I’ve dated/slept with I met salsa dancing. Statistically, there is no question. the man dance-off which occurs in a crowded, mid 20’s college-ish or upwardly trendy bar however….is never one to be a part of.
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I’ve known that girls used dancing to screen men for sometime, but it always just seemed like another irrational preference. I definitely see how selection for symmetry is rational, but you have to admit that most good male dancers are effeminate. It seemed odd that women would screen men based on an ability that correlates so strongly with anti-masculinity.
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and yes carl, many girls go out to dance the same reason they go out and drink, to commiserate about work/their singlehood/get attention from men they intend to shoot down if they do approach and term “pussies” or “fags” if they don’t approach and fulfill their need for man-disparagement.
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most good male dancers are effeminate.
Maybe. I think it depends on the type of dancing and the guy. When I think of famous good male dancers I think of:
Kevin Bacon (Footloose)
Mario Lopez
Justin Timberlake
I wouldn’t classify any of them as effeminate.
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Animal behavior scientists distinguish two aspects of sexual selection: 1) male-male competition, and 2) courtship of females. Here and now, guys prefer competing with each other rather than macking on girls.
Dancing is a powerful attractant, but only if it shows off how healthy and coordinated and sexual you are, not this highly stylized quasi-sport approach. Most guys are just too uptight to cut loose, find the beat, get into the groove, etc. * You frequently see East Asian guys breakdancing, but never “dance” dancing.
How to know if you’re doing it right: you attract the attention of a group of Black girls who then surround and grind on you. They’re the ones who are most innately attuned to signals of sexual dancing. (If anyone’s paying attention to man dance-offs, it’s usually SWPL white girls.)
* If guys are afraid of looking gay by dancing with energy, all they have to do is remember to move their upper body around in addition to their lower body. Gays, by contrast, *only* move their lower body.
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Justin Timberlake is not considered effeminate?
I guess his five o’clock shadow look and buzz cut is doing its job.
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Kevin Bacon (Footloose)
Mario Lopez
Justin Timberlake
I have never met any of them and I have a $1000 that says notone of them can throw a spiral.
I am not hatin’. Dance all you want, but, the guys would not really be described as being all that masculine.
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It seemed odd that women would screen men based on an ability that correlates so strongly with anti-masculinity.
It’s possible that women select for more feminine men as long-term partners. This is at least in part tied to hormones and fertility, since women only ovulate for a brief time out of the month.
http://www.livescience.com/health/070102_facial_features.html
*Waits for the hue and cry*
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About the correlation between a guy’s moves on and off the dance floor — dancing well may not be necessary for her to determine that the guy can work it in bed, but it is sufficient. So it cuts out a lot of guesswork, or having to for other signals.
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Solo freestyle dancing, the dominant form of dancing to music that’s faster than 110 bpm, in the Western world and increasingly elsewhere, and for a good 45 years since the massive social explosion that was the Twist, isn’t a way for guys to get girls. But…partner dancing sure as hell is. Salsa dancing requires that you move smoothly, lightly, provide clear guidance (the lead) to the woman, and yet at the same time be highly attuned to her, be able both to mirror her and anticipate her. Partner dancing is a great way for a man to display, or more properly demonstrate directly, to a specific woman, in a close-in, hip-grinding, physically intimate way, that he is a worthy sex partner for her.
Go to South Am and check out the action in dances there. Knife fights break out all the time, ’cause the outraged boyfriend/husband is very attuned to the signals passing on the floor between his woman and her partner of the moment. There’s real heat going on out there, and the incipient cuckold knows it.
The solipsistic, anomic, isolated, individualistic display of solo freestyle dancing does nothing to establish connection with women, and connection is vital to scoring. It’s like bragging at a woman, dropping celeb names, or flashing your bankroll. A cheap sales job, really. How often does that work?
Try salsa dancing, Roissy et al. Go to an environment where that dance is organic to its place, not like some dance studio. See what happens. Feel what happens.
Then you will understand.
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PatrickH, I have never been, but I am under the impression that the Clubs in places like Argentina and Brazil where the young hotties go are not that different that what we see in North America and Europe.
Hope, I am not so sure that girls are using dance to evaluate LONG term companionship.
They might, but, I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Patrick B, having some “effeminate” talent isn’t bad. Actually, it’s necessary. Think of the all-male-brained archetype, the computer nerd/engineer/etc: do they get a lot of ladies?
Talking, dancing, style etc gets you points with women, math wizardry and haxxor skillz don’t. There’s hardly anything that draws women more than an otherwise masculine man who can display some sort of “feminine” talent.
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@Hope
It’s possible that women select for more feminine men as long-term partners.
Now that makes sense. I assumed women were looking for flings, but dancing is a common tribal activity and women were probably screening for husbands in that environment.
@Brandy
Kevin Bacon is the only guy on that list that I don’t consider overly feminine, and that might change if I saw Footloose.
@Agnostic
If guys are afraid of looking gay by dancing with energy, all they have to do is remember to move their upper body around in addition to their lower body.
Shit, my problem is remembering to move the lower body. My girlfriend complains that I emphasize my torso too much when dancing.
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@jaakkeli
I see the importance of having some feminine qualities in order to maximize pussy. I hope my style, emotional awareness and paternal instincts are enough to make up for my shitty dance moves.
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Talking, dancing, style etc gets you points with women, math wizardry and haxxor skillz don’t.
Right on. The most masculine of brains gets you nowhere with girls. In my experience, the guys who had the most natural game were the guys least interested in things like Sports and Science.
There were very much attuned to style (and being stylish), going to the hip places and being where all the people were. These are things that go right past your average science freek.
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Hope,
This is at least in part tied to hormones and fertility, since women only ovulate for a brief time out of the month.
I also read an article that claims:
A recent U.K. study … has demonstrated that birth control pills alter important factors governing women’s mate selection.
Full link here:
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5395
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Dancing is inherently sexual. It always has been, and it has always been part of past courtship and mating rituals. In modern times, school dances and proms are highly sexually charged.
Dancing also involves a certain amount of theatrics. I have practiced dancing privately, can do the routine, but I’ve never gotten the showmanship down.
Most people can do the mechanical moves themselves with enough practice, but not everyone has the innate ability to feel the rhythm and the confidence to pull off the kind of motion that amounts to “symmetry.”
Here’s a dancing video. While I don’t care much for the guy, I must admit that he is talented. And the girl, Hyori Lee, is also a phenomenal dancer.
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z,
“If a guy thinks about it, simply supplying coke to several alpha females, who in turn will tell their little friends that he is “cool”, would probably be a much less labor intensive way to easily score without trying very hard. Its almost as if the alpha female of a group of five gives permission to the other gals who to fuck sometimes, so powerful is the ceremony of the cockblock.”
You ain’t bullshitting of all the truths put out here that one has kind of been left out. Definetly gives a guy a tremendous advantage to be able to supply drugs to woman. That is the whole missing link in this. There are tons of woman who do drugs. If you can supply their need they supply yours. Been a while for me shit going on 12 years but I almost forgot bout that. Yea woman be pulling trains for that fix. Fuck money drugs will get them quicker.
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wow brandy when I try to go to that site it is “smart filtered” as hate speech.
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go ahead and paste it lol
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Dancing is not a way of finding a long-term mate. As someone posted above, it honestly signals symmetry and genetic quality, rather than ability to provide for kids and stick around like a good dad. Think of which ethnic groups have females that are most interested in dancing skills — Africans yes, East Asians not really. That reflects the shorter-term tendencies of African girls compared to East Asians.
Ditto for which ethnic groups have guys who are good dancers — the good dad groups can’t dance, while the fuck ’em and leave ’em groups can.
Also, when do girls who normally don’t go to clubs get the urge to go — when they’re in “find a long term provider” mode, or when they’re ovulating and want to get impregnated by a handsome stranger?
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What’s interesting is cultural attitudes towards dancing. In the US it’s considered “gay” because gay men are all over the place with narcissistic displays often including dancing.
In Latin America, it’s considered “manly” to dance well, often the sign of upper class status and training. Eastern European men also don’t consider it “gay” rather upper-class.
Probably less class distinctions here in the US means it’s easier for activities beloved of gays to be labeled “gay.”
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Another thing: whenever a promiscuous wave sweeps through society, it’s accompanied by a dance craze. The decadent 1890s, the Roaring Twenties, the ’60s somewhat, and the sexual revolution from disco to the early ’80s, the last time America was slutty and in the mood to dance.
Someone asked why a guy would want to go out dancing, aside from getting girls. If you have a really high level of energy, sometimes all the other outlets (working, weightlifting, etc.) still don’t take care of it. Especially if you keep it artificially low during the day in order to appear cool rather than hyper, you need a release.
That’s another reason why I only go to dance clubs where the oldest girl is 22 — once they get into their mid/late 20s, their energy level plummets and they can’t keep up and satisfy my needs. Bouncy teenagers and college students can go at it all night.
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Their are a lot of east asians some probably differ from the others. Kind of like the philipinos don’t like the chinese from what I have heard.
When an indo gets married they do have singers come in and they sing and dance on stage. 100’s show up and pretty much have a wedding every day in the area somewhere.
I plan on cooking 4 or so whole cows when I eventually have my real one. Tonne of rice or so. Plenty of beer. Eat and party for 10 days straight (maybe 5 not sure I can handle ten anymore) . If the beef runs out I’ll butcher more. Couple bands. Probably have 500 or so people gonna be wild.
Somewhere someone probably thinks they need to save them from that lifestyle of too much free time to party and too much free time to be human.
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I’ve had several people say that I can dance pretty decently, but every time I’m on the dance floor anywhere I can’t help but feel that I’m making a fool out of myself.
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The most masculine of brains gets you nowhere with girls.
Maybe they’re just trying to avoid having autistic children.
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Agnostic—get out of here with your bullshit evo-psychology “just-so” stories.
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Brandy — no, women are just indulging the female equivalent of chasing T&A. It’s something immature HS girls do, or rather did but rapidly grew out of.
It does however, in it’s present form, present a society changing from engineers and scientists to … used car salesman, athletes, and lawyers. A symptom of society in decline.
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If whiskey had any talent at dancing he wouldn’t be trying to find high falutin reasons to dismiss it.
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Jesus, don’t y’all ever get tired of the whole reds-under-the-bed thing?! Dancing is fun. A fun activity, all by itself, that doesn’t necessarily lead to anything other than A DANCE.
A man who can dance will catch the eye because he’s coordinated and confident. For the same reason it’s entertaining to watch gymnasts at the Olympics, it’s entertaining to see a man who can dance. Even more entertaining to dance with him. Because a competent lead can make even the most left-footed woman feel like the belle of the ball.
Man, you guys are so suspicious and paranoid! You sound like you’ve completely lost the capacity for simple fun.
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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/lawyer-files-antifeminist-suit-against-columbia/
Even Eastern Europeans are down with jerking American men around.
*waits for American men to start jumping from windows*
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agnostic said: That reflects the shorter-term tendencies of African girls compared to East Asians
Oh really.
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Chic Noir–the ‘culture’ of this blog and its comments section tends heavily towards the racism inherent in the sentence you quote. This is because the owner of the blog is allied with many racist internet circles who link to and promote his blog–and he promotes them in return.
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I’ve always been under the impression that it’s no big deal if a man can’t dance, after all American society doesn’t expect men to have any dance skills, but if he can dance well it will help him get women.
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@ 71 Abe
The racism of the internet scares me and makes the real world a frightening place. 😦
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Thanks ABE. I have noticed that through my lurking on a number of similar blogs. I find it hard to believe that VG is fine with all of this.
DA-I agree
I think Roosh is more open minded with race and the like.
To bad agnostic has a natural tan too, I am sure it’s the bane of his existence. I guess it hurts when you are 3/4 off but the 1/4 genes are just so dominate.
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If you gotta *think* about dancing, unless you’re in the first stages of learning something like the tango or samba, you ain’t gonna have a chance on the floor.
My complete lack of high school inhibition about dancing probably kept me from a lot of social misery, though I didn’t learn how to complete the deal until college. It didn’t matter as dancing was enough. Blame my barely civilized genes.
When there’s a good song playing and everyone is just standing around shifting awkwardly, never underestimate the power of grabbing the first good looking chick near you and becoming slaves to the rhythm.
Dancing by yourself should only be reserved for extreme cases of trying to get into altered states of mind without any chemicals.
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Not enough attractive girls there (LA standards).
Whenever it gets to that point, I either leave or make the best of a crappy situation (read: get my drink on and act retarded with buddies like guys in picture). Having a dance competition with a capris-wearing gay dude is probably the best time to be had at this place.
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Pupu wants the capri guy’s outfit!
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Abe — in fact I think dancing (if you read what I posted) in the classic sense, with partners, demonstrating both skill and control, USED TO BE considered “upper class” and among Latin Americans, and Eastern Europeans, still is.
An Eastern European man would not find it unmanly to enroll in ballet. It can be lucrative, you hoist pretty girls up and down, which beats hoisting bricks, you make good money. It does NOT have the association of …
“GAY.”
Which dancing for men generally does in the US today. Ballet, salsa, what have you. A Latin guy can be a good dancer (or a Black guy) and they are culturally exempt from the label “gay.” A white guy? He’s automatically considered gay. This is recent too — very “straight” guys in the 1940’s appeared in musicals (Cagney, etc.) and no one ever thought “gay.”
Straight guys aversion to dancing has real responses to the sexual marketplace. The cost of being considered “gay” when you’re not is huge in the sex marketplace.
Chic Noir — google “Lauren London thugs” for short-term selection by one particular Black actress, and Black bloggers reaction to her preference. For the most part, they find her preference to be common among black women. And a problem.
Moreover, the 70% illegitimacy rate among Blacks nationally, and the 90% among the urban core, compared to only 24% in 1965, shows that:
A. Black women have a short-term orientation towards selection of their children’s fathers.
B. This was not always so and is a recent development.
FWIW, White rates in 1965 were 4%, and now reach 34%, it’s over 50% among British, Scandinavian, and other Europeans. Latinos in the US are over 50% as well.
Clearly, this is not a “racial effect” since it affects ALL women, including British and Scandinavian women. However, it affects Black women in the US the MOST and White Women in the US the LEAST, with Latino women and European (mainly white) women in the middle. FWIW STD rates are much higher among Blacks than whites, and Asians have the lowest.
Conclusion? Cultural effects are likely the primary reason for short-term selection. [East Asian women have the lowest illegitimacy rates.]
My own guess is that erosion of women caring about what their mothers think, and lack of social expectations about economic advancement, are critical in how women of different cultural backgrounds conduct themselves. Britain, for example, ground zero of PC, has no “shame” culture and women there are unashamed to have three kids by different guys. Unthinkable for a Japanese or Chinese girl who would not want to disappoint her parents and bring “shame” to them.
Shame has it’s uses.
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roissy #23
you leave them enough energy for “exclamations”?
tsk tsk.
you should work on that.
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also, i assume that by this point you’ve vanquished the whole notion of obligatory refractory periods; if a chick(s) doesn’t bore you, there’s no reason you can’t blow at least two or three times with zero downtime. and that’s au naturel; i’d be scared to discover the effects of steroid/T supplementation on that particular ability.
most men have never even considered the possibility of overcoming this illusory barrier; once you do, girls will be so dumbfounded that many will bring friends along for ridesharing.
all it takes is a little mental fortitude to overcome the 5-10 seconds of initial discomfort after blowing the first time. (it’s better if you’ve been fucking for an hour or two already, because that blunts the sensitivity). preferably do it when you’re getting head — after she swallows, pull her head right back down onto you** and tell her not even to think about stopping.
voilà!
practice makes perfect.
this has been a public service announcement.
**this move alone will guarantee you 1st place on her list of semi-drunken booty calls.
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Abe, eat my fat cock, and then learn how to read (if you can un-cross your eyes).
There’s already been a study showing that dancing skill correlates with symmetry, and that’s a signal of genetic quality. If you’re a redneck creationist who doesn’t believe in biology or evolution, that’s not my fault.
Chic Noir — Black women have more sexual partners over their lifetimes than East Asian women, and have higher illegitimacy rates. That’s what I mean by “short term,” compared to having few partners and having kids by fathers who stick around.
Also, I don’t have a natural tan — am quite pale, actually. Maybe you misread a blog entry of mine where I talked about how I joke my way out of looking pale by saying I spend so much time in the tanning salon. (I don’t — that’s the joke.)
I’m not going to apologize to the Savonarola’s for reporting facts. Notice how no one called me racist for painting Northern Europeans and East Asians in such a negative light — they can’t dance, are no fun, etc. All of which is true, btw. I’d rather be at a dance club with Blacks, non-Central American Latinos, and Middle Eastern and South Asian people. They’re fun. They dig me, and I dig them.
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The funny part is he approached me saying i looked like him
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Roissy said
“You could have two dorky guys playing PINBALL and as long as there is at least one horny admiring girl in the crowd to inspire the other girls, the winning pinballer will get laid.”
This is probably true, but does not apply to warcraft
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Note: didn’t read any other comments
Once back when I was a ridiculously underaged Duke student, someone thought it would be a good idea for the summer school kids to spend an afternoon learning traditional African dances from some famous dance choreographer guy. For those of you who aren’t traditional Africans, basically every single dance is some sort of mating dance. The girls do a variety of routines that are supposed to emphasize grace, beauty and charm, and inevitably filled with hip swaying and the occasional motorbooty. The guys, on the other hand, have moves (named, of course, after animals like Baboon and Cheetah) designed to emphasize strength and endurance. Stuff like jumping in place for minutes at a time, pulling your knees up as close to your chin as possible, while hooting like a fiend. Ostensibly this is to show prowess in battle and the hunt, but again several were clearly intended to express “I can fuck you into a coma” to women from tribes without common verbal language. I didn’t do that many pushups in one day again till boot camp.
This is the origin of the male dance-off. Men who attempt graceful, complicated maneuvers are generally homos. Men who bronco bust into a six-step and Worm are emphasizing their virility in a way only rivaled by chugging a bottle of gin and smashing it in a beta’s face. Since I blew out my ligaments in the war, I can’t six-step any more, so watch out for me when gin is involved.
Of course, if you truly Adidas DC, no matter how virile you are, you’ll probably look as ridiculous as I did pumping the Surly Ibis to a bunch of college girls on a Durham quad.
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agnostic said: That reflects the shorter-term tendencies of African girls compared to East Asians
Oh really.
‘oh really’ isn’t much of a comeback. discussing this issue with agnostic in a calm way and using facts might have been.
Thanks ABE. I have noticed that through my lurking on a number of similar blogs. I find it hard to believe that VG is fine with all of this.
i assume you mean virgil kent. vk has a lot to gain by hanging around uber non- black alpha males like roissy and roosh, considering the race of the women we know he usually goes after. he knows it’s better not to bring up certain subjects he might object to. either that, or he’s a rare black race realist. honest, this wasn’t a knock on vk either; i’m just pointing out the obvious.
Chic Noir–the ‘culture’ of this blog and its comments section tends heavily towards the racism inherent in the sentence you quote. This is because the owner of the blog is allied with many racist internet circles who link to and promote his blog–and he promotes them in return.
i loved the last time abe showed his face on half sigma, it was pointed out he had no problem discriminating against asians via affirmative action. ABE HATES ASIANS!!! i have no idea why, but most liberals don’t feel a need to justify themselves so he just shut up, didn’t defend himself and hasn’t shown his face on half sigma again. hiya abe!
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whats with all this talk about dancing in South Am? Ive heard in Brazil its sort of common for younger people to skip the dancing part and go straight to making out, so-called ficar or whatever, is that for real, or one of those brazilian myths again?
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An Eastern European man would not find it unmanly to enroll in ballet.
Aaahhhahahahahahaha.
No, really, Eastern European ballet is just as full of gays as Western ballet. It’s just that going to *watch* ballet isn’t gay. You *watch* gay arts to show how much better taste you have than all those low class guys watching sports and how much you’re not like the low class people who violently hate male ballet dancers.
Straight guys aversion to dancing has real responses to the sexual marketplace. The cost of being considered “gay” when you’re not is huge in the sex marketplace.
There’s no cost to “being considered gay”. There’s a cost to being nervous about appearing gay.
Women won’t misread a truly straight guy. Who cares if some straight guy thinks you’re gay?
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freak show–I am most certainly not the abe you’re thinking of–and I only commented once on Half Sigma (a pretty racist website) and my position on AA is pretty anti. At any rate, the fact remains that Roissy’s blog is full of a bunch of people who are pretty obsessed with race and seem to be excited by the idea that human racial groups differ genetically in fundamental and irreconcilable ways. We see the application of these ideas in the casual reference to the “short-term tendencies of African Women” without any data to back it up.
agnostic–your assertion about dancing is not what I took issue with specifically, but rather your blanket statement about the short-term tendencies of African Women! Talk about racist horseshit!
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Abe likes to use the “R” word a lot. Sometimes that’s a legitimate thing to do. In his case, he’t throwing it around like some dullwitted Salem Colony goodwife pointing and sputtering “witch!”
God, I hate these brainless marxoid fundamentalists.
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We see the application of these ideas in the casual reference to the “short-term tendencies of African Women” without any data to back it up.
didn’t agnostic just devote a follow up comment to providing the necessary references and stats? it’s too hard to argue with a liberal…
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“Chic Noir–the ‘culture’ of this blog and its comments section tends heavily towards the racism inherent in the sentence you quote. This is because the owner of the blog is allied with many racist internet circles who link to and promote his blog–and he promotes them in return.”
This is the equivalent to getting a gold medal on Internet. Good work, Roissy!
And for all liberals who don’t believe in Darwin: Creationism is legally restricted to fundamentalists. Any liberal caught disbelieving Darwin will be sentenced to 100 hours in a megachurch.
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You generalize about “liberals” is the same way “those people” generalize about “conservatives” — exaggeratedly, based on the actions of a few, and with much condescension.
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Oops, -is in the above post.
Moralizing and calling others out on being a certain way (for example “racist”) is another way to appease one’s own ego. Everyone has biases and dislikes for the “other,” which is pretty ingrained and hard to rid of — liberals can be just as prejudiced. Some religious prudes moralize about sexuality and then get caught with some really out there kinky stuff, and it’s that same self-appeasement at work.
We’re all hypocrites.
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Taking issue with those obsessed with evolution & race–especially those who are excited by the issue because they perceive it to be a potential political weapon–does not amount to rejecting Darwin.
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I don’t see how that had anything to do with politics, more like people who are a little too obsessed with judging by ethnicity in their personal lives rather than politics.
I’m just saying that as someone who’s obsessed with race & evolution as a political weapon but not so obsessed in personal life…
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freak show said:
agnostic said: That reflects the shorter-term tendencies of African girls compared to East Asians
Oh really.
‘oh really’ isn’t much of a comeback
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It wasn’t suppose to be a comeback.
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It was more of a veiled threat read between the “really” When the us is like hati it will be great is all I can say. It will be more “real” that way.
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Whiskey- I read that Lauren London article. It’s actually pretty old. I read it the first time she opened her trap and let it spill. Please stop quoting Lauren London as if she represents all 38 million AA. John McCain or John Edwards don’t speak for all white men in this country so why should Lauren London, Whoopi Goldberg or even Michelle Obama speak for 20 million BW. BTW, one of the biggest beefs that AA have with whites is how some whites want to put us all in a box as if we have all had the same experiences. For example, I’ve met blk people in my age group, who have never been called nigger by a non blk before, unfortunately I have.
I know women like myself who don’t date and have never dated thugs. An analogy for you, the blk thug is to some blk women what big is to SJP in Sex&City . The 9-5 blk man is to some blk women what Adrienne was to SJP S&C. Women like men you can protect them, it’s one reason why women across the board usually prefer taller men. Bad Boys usually come across as Alpha and women often see them as strong and manly. In my experience, shorter men have some very good points too. I’m 5’9.5 BTW.
Blk women who are college educated have much lower rates of OOWC, even lower than that of WW who are college educated. The problem is, very poor BW have many more OOWC on average than other groups of blk women. As you know Whiskey, in almost all groups worldwide, poorer women have more children than wealthier educated women.
Shame has it’s uses
I agree 100%. It even works with men.
I’ve seen BW called on this, and I’ve called a friend who did it recently. She tried to trap her boyfriend into marriage but it did not work. Don’t forget that about 50 years ago people were still doing shotgun marriages in parts of this country.
The real reason BW have children out of wedlock at higher rates is because many don’t use birthcontrol or even Plan B with boyfriends or long-term partners and many still believe that having a child with a man will make him stay. Why any woman believes having a baby will make a man stay, is beyond me.
The average age for first encounter blk girls who are in my circle is 16+, which is about the national average. Agnostic seems to think blk people average 8 years old for the first encounter.
Britain, for example, ground zero of PC, has no “shame” culture and women there are unashamed to have three kids by different guys. Unthinkable for a Japanese or Chinese girl who would not want to disappoint her parents and bring “shame” to them
You know women in this country do this too, and it is not looked upon highly by other women (of all races). Don’t for minute think that most women in this country are accepting of this because we are notand I hate to generalize but with this topic I am. I’ve pulled the card and I’ve witnessed other women doing the same, of girls who have had multiple children by different men.
I think as adults we can do what we want but we should not pull innocent children into our madness. Furthermore, if you want to guarantee yourself a life of poverty, have children you can’t afford. Even a middle class couple having one child can find themselves being financially stretched because of costs associated with raising a child.
@agnostic- I never called you a racist. Where can you read that in one of my posts???
East Asians in such a negative light — they can’t dance, are no fun, etc
That’s not true, have you seen one of the many YouTube videos of Japanese teenagers reggae or hip hop dancing. BTW, all blk people are not good dancers.
My crack to you about having a natural tan was because you are 1/4 Asian (?) and therefore a POC because by your own admission, you don’t look white. From what I read in a couple of your posts, you seem to be bothered that you don’t look white.
Black women have more sexual partners over their lifetimes than East Asian women, and have higher illegitimacy rates
These studies kill me. They look at few hundred or maybe thousand people and try to draw conclusions about an entire group. These same types of studies said that black Americans think Barack Obama is not black enough, and most of us were voting for Hillary Clinton. Then a few months later,* we saw the light*, and 90% of us had decided to vote for Barack Obama. Give me a break. The survey that you continually quote for age of first sex.ual encounter is something that the women polled can pick any answer they choose. Sort of like when you ask you girlfriend how many guys before you, and she says two when really, it’s more like twenty. Maybe the few hundred WW who were surveyed thought that admitting 16 was their first encounter made them seem to scankie* so they pushed it up to 17 or 18.
One thing is for sure, from what I read on this blog and many others, there is a lot of se.x*ng going on between young men and women in this country period. The guys on who post on this blog make it seem like you can meet a women in the bar, chat them up for an hour, and go home with them in the same night.
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Go chic go. Except there are only 100 million housholds in us and less than 50 percent are married. Don’t worry bout the marriage thing it will be gone soon. About 25 percent more than the marriages per year are divorces. Pretty soon every woman will be raising her kids alone. No sterotyping needed 🙂
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jewcano siad: the occasional motorbooty,/i>
LOL, motorbooty is the type of dance that can make most men forget everything but the gyrating booty in front on them.
PA
Abe likes to use the “R” word a lot. Sometimes that’s a legitimate thing to do. In his case, he’t throwing it around like some dullwitted Salem Colony goodwife pointing and sputtering “witch!”
If you say so but…
If a person brings race into any conversation then you start to wonder what is really going on with them.
ex. Roissy writes a post about DC weather being cooler than normal for this type of year and DC women are wearing less scanktastic clothing blocking his few of young nubile fleash.
Agnostic’s response would be something like this:
According to this survey/study blah blah blah, blk people are the reason DC weather is cooler than normal for this time of the year. Blk people on average have skin which absorbs light at a much higher rate than that of Whites and Asians. Therefore, blks are the reason YWW are showing less skin.
Someone will try to refute his point and his response is somewhere along the line of where is your proof , post a study ,blah blah blah.
Agnostic, I don’t hate you or even dislike you so don’t take this the wrong way but…
If you are approaching women, behave or talk around women in the same way you post comments here most are going to be turned off, it’s not always about being 5’7. Only sick people or people who look to profit off of racism like to talk about race 24/7.
freakshow said: assume you mean virgil kent. vk has a lot to gain by hanging around uber non- black alpha males like roissy and roosh, considering the race of the women we know he usually goes after. he knows it’s better not to bring up certain subjects he might object to
Ok, well VK is tall(I think),has a decent face, and a very nice body so I don’t think he needs the help of roissy or roosh to help him with WW. He is also a continental African(Nigerian?) which makes him even more exotic to nonblk women. I’ve seen WW approach and pick up BM who are either alone or around other BM. I don’t think roissy or roosh are VK’s hypemen/wingman, and it’s a putdown to the two to call them such. He doesn’t have to bring up the topic when people feel he is a *safe BM* who they can insult without having to deal with repercussions.
Being PC is about having manners, empathy and consideration for other people. What is so wrong with respecting other people and not saying the first rude or impolite thing that comes to mind. It’s obvious that most people don’ t want to live in a world where they would be subjected to a constant barrage of nasty comments from random people.
ex.
You see a 10 standing at the bar, and decide to approach her. You talk to her for a few minutes and when you give her a chance to respond to your game
NON PC -She looks you up and down and tells you to get away from her because you are too ugly and your breath stinks.
PC – She apologizes and tells you she has a boyfriend. She keeps her opinion of your breath and lack of good looks to herself.
Most people would not do well in a NON- PC for long
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Oops, -is in the above post.
Moralizing and calling others out on being a certain way (for example “racist” is another way to appease one’s own ego. Everyone has biases and dislikes for the “other,” which is pretty ingrained and hard to rid of — liberals can be just as prejudiced. Some religious prudes moralize about sexuality and then get caught with some really out there kinky stuff, and it’s that same self-appeasement at work
We’re all hypocrites
I agree
Gunslingergregi, marraige can work people,both men and women just need to face some facts:
1. Marry the person with whom you can get along with because the person you love may not be the person you can’t get along with.-This is the most important.
2.Men would prefer if their wives didn’t gain a lot of weight or even lose a lot weight after marriage.
3. Women would prefer if men didn’t develop a beer belly.
4. Cheat and bring home OOWC or diseases.
5. Both sexes are going to have to act like you like it when you really don’t.
6. responsible with money.
7 women want men to help around the house or with the children.
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Chic Noir — I rarely bring up race here, so you hear what you want to hear. I mostly talk about age and gender. You’re over-sensitive to people talking about race.
People don’t talk in real life the way they do on the internet. For one thing, people who write a lot generally aren’t chatterboxes, while those who write little are talkative.
I’m very charming when I want something from someone, so that’s common in real life, girls just being one case, but on the internet no one has anything I want, so I just cut the bullshit. And if someone thinks my online persona lacks social grace… they can go suck it.
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97: BTW, one of the biggest beefs that AA have with whites is how some whites want to put us all in a box as if we have all had the same experiences.
Funny, my biggest beef with this site is that it does exactly the same thing, except with sexes, not races.
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anon 102- I know.
agnostic said:You’re over-sensitive to people talking about race.
Maybe I am but I don’t think so. Alternatively, maybe I am getting you and JS confused, and am attributing some of his comments to you.
Remember that women have a much stronger sixth sense than men have, so sometimes it’s not what you say or do but what we sense.
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Is that roissy is those pics above?
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Damn! Go ‘head chic noir!
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elizabeth
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Chic Noir — I realize how exciting it is for you to get to chat with me, but this exchange is running pretty long. You can reach me through GNXP.com’s contact form.
Otherwise, you can find me in the club this weekend and, if you’re as glamorous as you say, I’ll let you continue flirt-arguing with me there. You’re not that bad at it, but I’m pretty accustomed to tall slim Black girls coming up to me, so you’d better bring it.
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These studies kill me. They look at few hundred or maybe thousand people and try to draw conclusions about an entire group.
chic, if you really believe this then you don’t know how statistics work or how these studies are conducted. this isn’t meant as a put down. you’re clearly not stupid. you just are obviously not especially educated on statistics or what a random sample is. agnostic lives and breathes statistics in his graduate work. if you adhere to your viewpoint on statistics then let’s just shut down all scientific research because it’s based on the principles you are dismissing with little knowledge of the subject. seriously, type in the term ‘random sample’ on google and start there.
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Freak show:agnostic lives and breathes statistics in his graduate work
I know.
I took a statistics class, and I got a B.
One of the things we learned was how stastics and studies can be manipulated to get a certain outcome.
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