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Visualizing Omega

November 25, 2008 by CH

In my “Defining the Alpha Male” post, I described the detritus of malehood:

Lesser Omega, [Can only get] 0s and 1s, Will never feel love; can’t keep a girl longer than 3 days, Dry spells > 5 years.

I’ve already taken you on journeys exploring the vast wastelands of the beta universe, but that was child’s play. It’s time to pull back the curtain on the shambling mounds and wretched creatures who walk among us; the monsters who inhabit the far FAR left tail of the human bell curve.

Behold, the OMEGA:

shoggoth

When this is the best you can do, you are a lesser omega. You aren’t at the lowest level of dreg because you haven’t dropped out of society entirely and are able, however nauseatingly, to propagate your genes. But really, why would you condemn your future ugly children to a lifetime of misery and self-loathing? The compassionate thing to do would be to refrain from reproducing.

Notice the telltale omega traits (besides his choice of mate): Lowered gaze, meek countenance, leaning into his beastly wife, feeble self-conscious smile, dumbo ears, weak chin and jawline, beady eyes. Yes, he’s in the military, but that is no guarantee of high(er) status. The bottom of the barrel often embrace the soldier’s life because it offers the only chance to raise their value. They risk death as cannon fodder for a shot at respectability. If they’re lucky, they might even return home to a hero’s welcome.

shoggothfamily

Look at the faces on the groomsmen… abject defeat. Public humiliation. Despair for their unlucky buddy. Disgust. Even the little boy knows what a bunch of losers have gathered here today. The ability to discern a human status hierarchy is ingrained from birth. And they are likely pissed that the bridesmaids are too grotesque to tap.

The brideshogs look a little less morose, probably because they understand that their less-human-than-human hogzilla sister has gotten the better end of the deal by the very fact that she managed to find a man, however pathetic, who would be willing to dump a fuck in her flabby porcine hole.

brideshogs

62% of American women are overweight, with no end in sight to the disfiguration of their most precious resource. They live in towns like Ninety-Six, South Carolina (yes, real name). They have no self-discipline, eating until they explode like Mr. Creosote. Is it any wonder American men with the means are choosing to meet women overseas? When more than half the women in your country have removed themselves as dating prospects, the fuckable ones in the minority raise their asking price through the roof. It’s a vicious predicament.

If you were forced at gunpoint to have sexual relations with one of these women, who would you choose, and how would you do it? The couch crease never looked so sexy.

honeymoon

Sloping brow lardo and inbred omega nerdo in love. Possibly they are both borderline retarded. Ugliness and stupidity correlate. No one wants to look at people like this in the office, so they will probably work at jobs in coal mines or sewage treatment plants where they don’t pollute anyone’s vista. It’s time to end all public support so the genetic lines of the omegas dies out. It’s nature’s way to cull the weak and ugly. Without the cull, the degenerate freaks reproduce, dragging the rest of humanity with them (or chasing them off into gated communities with armed guards). The modern welfare state is responsible for the coming Idiocracy. It was preordained.

You can see the rest of the pictures at this forum, and the hilarious comments in response. The groom even has a Myspace page, so it’s the real deal.

Could this lesser omega have done better with game? Yes. In fact, for a guy this ugly, dorky and meek-looking, game will be especially effective. He can go from getting crushed underneath a heap of garbage during rutting to banging non-hideous 3s and 4s. Nothing short of Steve Buscemi level fame or vast wealth will raise his sexual market value, so the only self-improvement technique at his disposal is game.

I have to think there is no way this guy can get it up for her, no matter how horny or lonely. Below some mininum female ugliness floor, every penis becomes operationally flaccid. Ugly men and good-looking men get turned on by the same hot women, just like fat men and slim men want the same slender chicks. The packaging may change, but the brain remains the same.

While there is room to settle, I think past some ugly threshold a man looks at a pseudo-woman and regardless how motivated he is by the bounty of pity in his heart and horniness in his groin, his junk isn’t going to respond. Turning the lights off doesn’t always help. If she’s fat enough, you’ll hear her blubbery hideousness bumping into furniture and pulling the sheets off the bed. You’ll sink into her cheesy folds. You’ll listen to her grunts and wheezes as she goes down on you. You’ll have to sandblast the dingleberries out of her crack before doing her from behind. Dumpster dive deep enough, and you may as well be doing a man.

If this guy leaves her and decides it makes more sense to drop a few bucks and satisfy himself with a skanky street hooker, he will actually bump himself up from lesser omega to omega. As a man, there is such a thing as ranking lower than a celibate virgin — boffing a monstrous seacow will push you below a man whose only sexual outlet is porn.

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  1. on November 25, 2008 at 12:19 pm ironrailsironweights

    Maybe the bride has a Glor- … no, I’m not going to go there.

    Peter

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  2. on November 25, 2008 at 12:35 pm ironrailsironweights

    By the way, if you look at “Chris the Freak’s” myspace page, he mentions that his wife is preggo and due in June. Your nightmares have come true.

    I’m actually not 100% sure that this isn’t some sort of hoax. And you do regularly read Sherdog?

    Peter

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  3. on November 25, 2008 at 12:38 pm roissy

    And you do regularly read Sherdog?

    no, this was forwarded to me.
    it unmade my day.

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  4. on November 25, 2008 at 12:38 pm Pupu

    Pupu hopes neither the bride nor the groom stumbles on this post. If either of them does, Pupu wishes them happy together.

    For their future health and happiness, Pupu sincerely hopes the bride could loose some pounds.

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  5. on November 25, 2008 at 12:41 pm roissy

    Pupu wishes them happy together.

    pupu, even the third person can’t save them from the steely gaze of the eye of roissy.

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  6. on November 25, 2008 at 12:43 pm abe

    iron–the guy who posted the pictures at sherdog was trolling, but they’re still actual wedding photos.

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=118833657

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  7. on November 25, 2008 at 12:45 pm smoothvirus

    Pupu sincerely hopes the bride could loose some pounds.

    Smoothvirus believes that the only way to save the town of Ninety Six, SC is to call in a surgical strike on the local Hardee’s.

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  8. on November 25, 2008 at 12:46 pm Tim Price

    Maybe this guy should have just turned gay. Then, maybe he could have had SOME self respect by banging a decent-looking guy….Or maybe hooking up with a transvestite. John Candy was a better looking chick!

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  9. on November 25, 2008 at 12:47 pm Ben

    How can that possibly be real?

    And how is being married to that woman preferable to being alone?

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  10. on November 25, 2008 at 12:53 pm zai

    It is all relative. Isn’t is possible that he is a lesser alpha who scored with one of better looking women in South Carolina (that’s where they are from)? That dazed look on the groom’s friends is possibly alcohol dulled envy.

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  11. on November 25, 2008 at 12:58 pm Grim

    Later post in thread:
    Well, after the wedding we went to the Motel 6 (we live in a small town, thats all there was)
    and it was on. We quickly undressed and got right down to business. I had to be careful, as she was a virgin and it was quite painful for her. I managed to get in there after a few minutes of trying. I only lasted about 2 minutes, but it was amazing. The best part was when we both orgasmed at the same time. I cried for a little while afterward, it was just so beautiful.

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  12. on November 25, 2008 at 12:58 pm Carl Sagan

    Looks like these pics are making their rounds on the internet.

    I have a blog post request.

    How about a post on the most common shit tests given by women and how to pass them?

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  13. on November 25, 2008 at 12:59 pm Tupac Chopra

    That’s a MAN, baby! Yeesh!

    At least the bridesmaids look like the female sex of the species, however remote.

    I suspect David Alexander feels better about himself today.

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  14. on November 25, 2008 at 1:02 pm Lisa

    Maybe I’m wrong but right off the bat I see an inconsistency. help me out. He “waited until marriage” to lose his virginity but having a “baby on the way” is “why (he) married her.”

    okay den I call bullshit by the end of page 1

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  15. on November 25, 2008 at 1:08 pm Lance

    did you post this around lunch time on purpose? i just vomited in my mouth… a lot.

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  16. on November 25, 2008 at 1:08 pm Brooklyn Redneck

    Cmon. I was about to have lunch and you post these pics. I may throw up.

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  17. on November 25, 2008 at 1:09 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lisa:
    \Maybe I’m wrong but right off the bat I see an inconsistency. help me out. He “waited until marriage” to lose his virginity but having a “baby on the way” is “why (he) married her.”

    It’s not entirely inconceivable that a lesser omega would be willing to raise some other greater omega’s child.

    But it’s not something I want to think about too much.

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  18. on November 25, 2008 at 1:11 pm jaakkeli

    How about a post on the most common shit tests given by women and how to pass them?

    For example, let’s say you’re that guy in the photo (yeah, I know, you’d kill yourself, but let’s assume divine intervention) and your bride asks you “does my bum look big in this”. You intend to survive. How do you respond?

    Dying to know cuz I’m meeting a girl l8er this week.

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  19. on November 25, 2008 at 1:13 pm Tupac Chopra

    Off-topic, but I’m sure of it now: comments with the word O M E G A in them get the “awaiting moderation” crap.

    I shouldn’t be surprised that Roissy’s blog is freaking alpha that even the mere mention of the O-word is verboten, but it is a curious thing.

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  20. on November 25, 2008 at 1:14 pm mtbrooks

    “We quickly undressed and got right down to business.”

    Quickly? Please.

    What’s the fastest you’ve ever seen a circus tent come down? And besides, once you get the tarp off her, you still have to move all the….oh I made myself sick.

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  21. on November 25, 2008 at 1:16 pm Thursday

    The bottom of the barrel often embrace the soldier’s life because it offers the only chance to raise their value.

    This is also the biggest reason why hetero guys enter the Catholic priesthood. All of a sudden, a complete loser gets to be the man. He has to give up women, but then he isn’t in a position to get anyone of quality anyway, so it isn’t much of a loss.

    And the church is suffering badly for this. Almost all the priests are either gay or losers. That combo doesn’t exactly result in a healthy clerical culture.

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  22. on November 25, 2008 at 1:17 pm 3point5 james

    I’m sick too…

    what a freak show – I wonder which internet site they met on..

    he refers to himself as a death weapon…

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  23. on November 25, 2008 at 1:23 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    The real tragedy is the little girl, already headed to porkerville. Social services needs to intervene and remove the child from the home.

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  24. on November 25, 2008 at 1:24 pm V

    That hog will eat that man whole. Watch first argument and she will open her tremendous mouht and pull him in with a vortex then swallow him without so much as a drop of water.

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  25. on November 25, 2008 at 1:25 pm ironrailsironweights

    Here is the wife’s myspace page, unfortunately it’s set to “private” so we can’t see much.

    Peter

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  26. on November 25, 2008 at 1:30 pm Anonymous

    Being gay would be a better prospect for that guy. He could jump from omega to at least beta status if he was guy…

    At gun point, suicide might be preferable but if you have a thing about living choose the lightest one.

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  27. on November 25, 2008 at 1:42 pm LPUA

    OK, this is freaking spooky. I was reading this post when there was a knock on my door. I just moved in here last week. I open the door and this guy explains that he was the previous resident and wanted to know if I’d gotten any mail for him. I explained that I had and had written “Please forward” on it, so he should get it soon.

    Now, a little background. I’ve heard stories from my new neighbors about how the two or three previous occupants of this house trashed the place, played loud music, kept vicious dogs, had to be evicted because they didn’t pay their bills, etc. This is a quiet respectable neighborhood, so that wasn’t really in keeping with the area. When I heard all this, I realized why the agents had been so eager to have me here; I think it was pretty obvious just from the way I dress (suits) that I wasn’t going to be littering and having wild parties and stuff.

    So I was curious to see my predecessor, and he didn’t look like the lowlife I’d pictured. Slightly pudgy, but reasonably well groomed (in casual clothes) and reasonably socially ept, i.e. he got through asking me if I had his mail without offending me. He was okay raw material that could probably have been formed into something useful.

    Then he turned his head to yell a question to his wife, who was still in the car. I averted my gaze quickly, but OMG WARPIG! She had to weigh over 300 lbs, and had a butch haircut and no makeup and I think scuzzy clothes, though as I said I looked away fast. Does the 1-10 scale have negative numbers?

    Sad thing is, with a bit of good guidance, this guy could stop being a deadbeat and get a proper job and a 5 to bang. Somewhere along the line, he got on the omega track and has never gotten off it.

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  28. on November 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm Wounded Animal

    Not at the lowest level? I don’t know–there’s something to be said for keeping your dignity and resolving never to subject your friends and family members to such a sad spectacle.

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  29. on November 25, 2008 at 1:45 pm DF

    That’s no moon.

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  30. on November 25, 2008 at 1:45 pm David Alexander

    I suspect David Alexander feels better about himself today.

    I do. Somehow, I heart my non-date girlfriend even more…

    At least the bridesmaids look like the female sex of the species, however remote.

    The left-most bridesmaid is the best looking, but even she’s just too fat for my standards.

    This is also the biggest reason why hetero guys enter the Catholic priesthood.

    I still remember hearing my mom’s stories about how the priests in Haiti had de facto mistresses, some of them married women. Mind you, Haiti is a third world nation where the standard rules don’t apply.

    Being gay would be a better prospect for that guy.

    He’s in the military, he can’t go gay.

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  31. on November 25, 2008 at 1:50 pm Wounded Animal

    ironrails – that would be “fortunately.”

    Dear God. myspace. Is it possible to get human body lice through the internet?

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  32. on November 25, 2008 at 1:51 pm Anonymous

    I seldom allow myself to comment on people’s fatness (or ugliness), because I do have fat relatives, poor creatures, though none in this league. But…really, I’m speechless. I suspect that either the groom is gay (and that perhaps his wife is actually a man, because she appears to suffer from male-pattern baldness), or that the photos are, in spite of myspace pages and all, a hoax.

    I was once friends with a gay man who, though better-looking than the groom in the photos, was no beauty. For a while, when he was trying to go “straight”, he made a point of dating exceptionally plain women. When I asked him why, at a time when I didn’t know of his sexual orientation, he said it was because he felt sorry for them and understood their plight. He did eventually find a man of his own who was quite handsome, so I suppose there’s hope for everyone.

    Clio

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  33. on November 25, 2008 at 1:55 pm Scarlett

    There is no way I believe this. I read through the MMA Forum stuff and no way. Total troll. The pics came from somewhere, obviously, but that he would continue to talk about how gorgeous she is, claim they had sex for the first time that night in a Motel Six, came simultaneously and then he cried? Not real. Not even an Omega.

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  34. on November 25, 2008 at 2:02 pm Benedict Smith

    her inbred forehead of massive size and diameter was abjectly horrifying. had she been wearing camo, i would have thought it was a wedding shot from one of those buddies of those rapists in Deliverance….that or one of the mutant rapists in The Hills Have Eyes 1 or 2…..if I had to boff one of the brideshogs, I’d go the far left…she had longer hair and was less fat (barely) than the monstrously overweight middle Gigantopithecus.

    Jesus F’ing Christ. That was hard to look at.

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  35. on November 25, 2008 at 2:06 pm sestamibi

    I agree with DA about the leftmost bridesmaid. 100-150 lbs. less of her and she’d be at least a 7.

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  36. on November 25, 2008 at 2:07 pm PA

    — I still remember hearing my mom’s stories about how the priests in Haiti had de facto mistresses, some of them married women.

    Priests in Poland (in my observation, anyway) are upper-beta, and often alpha. Younger guys too. Then again, the Catholic Church had been about the only respected institution there from 1945 to 1990.

    And if rumors are to be believed, they don’t lack for “fun on the side.” Personally, I’ve seen cute girls in churches who appeared to be priest groupies.

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  37. on November 25, 2008 at 2:09 pm Jack

    When I was on a cruise a couple years ago, there was a couple there – a fairly tall, not unattractive guy with a woman about 300 pounds. Unbelievable.

    Maybe some guys actually like fat girls? Because seriously, most guys would rather stay single than be with someone like that. I certainly would. This is also why people keep getting drawn to the big cities. Because at least you have a chance at a hot bitch. Staying in small towns leads to disastrous results.

    My boss a couple years ago was a dorky engineer type, not ugly, but not a very social type either. His wife’s picture was up in his office. She was pretty fat. There’s no doubt that how a guy’s wife looks affects his status for other guys. My opinion of him dropped.

    You can just see that little boy thinking “I need to do everything I can to not be in this situation someday.” I GUARANTEE he does not marry a warpig.

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  38. on November 25, 2008 at 2:17 pm ironrailsironweights

    Fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, this is looking more and more like a hoax.

    Peter

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  39. on November 25, 2008 at 2:19 pm David Alexander

    Maybe some guys actually like fat girls?

    It’s true that there’s a small minority of males that like fat girls in the range of the women featured in the photos, but generally, they tend towards girls of “average” looks like the bridesmaids.

    As for a gentleman’s choice, it’s quite possible that he really loves her, but I still suspect that the photos have been altered (no EXIFs), and it may be possible that he may be covering up his homosexuality by marrying her. One would suspect that being in the military would allow one to attract decent looking women, but I’ll refrain from making severe judgments upon this couple.

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  40. on November 25, 2008 at 2:19 pm Lemmonex

    I am with T….that little girl is fucked. It makes me sad.

    The sloped brow is really unfortunate, but what are you gonna do? May they have a long and happy life together. People always find their matches.

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  41. on November 25, 2008 at 2:25 pm mtbrooks

    I just realized that the last picture IS NOT two guys. Wow. That is some serious five o’clock shadow on ‘her’.

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  42. on November 25, 2008 at 2:33 pm PA

    Maybe some guys actually like fat girls?

    I once met an unbelievably fat woman, a cousin of my then-girlfriend. Bigger than those bridesmaids. She said that she has no trouble getting laid because there is a segment of men who like “large women” and the trick lies in “knowing how to find them.”

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  43. on November 25, 2008 at 2:39 pm reserved

    roissy, does your lack of empathy ever worry you? or is the blog a stylized version of a more toned-down, regular person?

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  44. on November 25, 2008 at 2:39 pm PA

    One would suspect that being in the military would allow one to attract decent looking women

    You get the entire Omega-Alpha bell curve among enlited men, although there is a low-end cutoff with regards to intelligence and physical fitness, since the military doesn’t admit indiviudals below a certain test score.

    Also, being a junior enlisted man (this guy is an E-1, a recruit-level rank) your paycheck nearly doubles when you marry.

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  45. on November 25, 2008 at 2:42 pm Lance

    DA,

    you make a common mistake. while there is an appreciation for military service in the wider world, it doesn’t necessarily translate into army guys ending up with beautiful women. in my experience, it’s the opposite.

    there’s two reasons for this. one, a lot of army guys get married young. the other is that army guys live on army bases, and army bases are located in podunk towns with little else going on in them. so, the guys who aren’t attached when they come in get hooked up with nasty barracks rats. not to mention, army towns have this surplus of single, young men, which is certainly no good for the likes of our hapless groom up there.

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  46. on November 25, 2008 at 2:43 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, this is looking more and more like a hoax.

    Peter

    What?!?!

    No speculation on the grooming style of the nether regions of the bride?

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  47. on November 25, 2008 at 2:45 pm roissy

    clio:
    I seldom allow myself to comment on people’s fatness (or ugliness), because I do have fat relatives, poor creatures, though none in this league. But…really, I’m speechless.

    welcome to the jungle, clio. make yourself at home. the abyss is a fine place to kick off your shoes and nestle in the satisfying embrace of your id.
    i knew it wouldn’t be long before my charmingly insidious lure corrupted even a stalwart soul such as yourself.

    He did eventually find a man of his own who was quite handsome, so I suppose there’s hope for everyone.

    too bad there isn’t.

    lemmonex:
    People always find their matches.

    not always.
    some people are so unworthy they don’t have matches.

    PA:
    She said that she has no trouble getting laid because there is a segment of men who like “large women” and the trick lies in “knowing how to find them.”

    the problem is that for every one fatty fucker, there are 100 fat craps to choose from. it’s no surprise this fat woman in your story mentioned that she has to “know how to find them”… when there aren’t that many of them around, it will feel like a hunt for the elusive jackelope.

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  48. on November 25, 2008 at 2:51 pm omg

    if those pics on sherdog are real, then they had a wedding cake made from TWINKIES!! lol…

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  49. on November 25, 2008 at 3:08 pm Affe

    Looks like the abyss likes a giggle at R’s expense every now and then…

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  50. on November 25, 2008 at 3:14 pm PA

    for every one fatty fucker, there are 100 fat craps to choose from.

    So if you’re a fatty-fucker, the world is your pig roast.

    Channeling Andrew Dice Clay: “I got fudge! Hershey’s chocolate kisses! I’m talking Haagen-danz, baby!”

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  51. on November 25, 2008 at 3:20 pm sara I

    I posit that there is a huge percentage of women who may be 10’s on the outside, yet harbor an inner sea cow. You know the type. Lethargic, energy vampires, who are indifferent to anything but themselves and their appetites whether it be food or not. At least in this case you can easily see the sea cow and avoid it.

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  52. on November 25, 2008 at 3:35 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    C’mon guys, this one is obvious. He’s gay but can’t come out for whatever reason (probably being from rural culture).

    Gay guys who marry (or date) fat girls are an age-old social phenomenon. Am I the only one who knows this? Am I the only one who has observed this in real life?

    Anyway, I’m sure he has great fun being in the service with all those buff men in uniform.

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  53. on November 25, 2008 at 3:40 pm the_alpha_male

    Sherdog is for proles.

    mma.tv is middle class imo.

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  54. on November 25, 2008 at 3:42 pm Kick a Bitch

    damn that bitch fell out of the ugly tree and smacked EVERY branch on her way down.

    you couldn’t crack that head with a sledge-hammer

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  55. on November 25, 2008 at 3:45 pm Anonymous

    Actually, DOBA, I said the same thing you did. If this is real and not a hoax, I’m betting the young man is gay.

    Clio

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  56. on November 25, 2008 at 3:46 pm sara I

    I vote for fag hag vs sea cow.

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  57. on November 25, 2008 at 3:59 pm Rain And

    “Fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, this is looking more and more like a hoax.”

    *What* is a hoax? Are you saying this woman was actually constructed by Industrial Lights and Magic for Cloverfield 2, but they put on a fake wedding with it first for laffs? There’s nothing here to hoax. There she is.

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  58. on November 25, 2008 at 4:02 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Sorry, Clio! Missed that.

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  59. on November 25, 2008 at 4:08 pm roissy

    He’s gay but can’t come out for whatever reason (probably being from rural culture).

    i hope for his sake he is gay. only a gay dude could see through that blubber to the inner beauty within. when he eats her out he wears a snorkel.

    rain and, LOL at the gif.

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  60. on November 25, 2008 at 4:10 pm ironrailsironweights

    Sherdog is for proles.
    mma.tv is middle class imo.

    Most of the discussions on Sherdog’s boxing forum are reasonably intelligent and rational. That’s where I do most of my reading and posting. Most of the different training forums are pretty good too. On the other hand, the “general discussion” forums are largely crap, and the MMA forums (which get by far the most traffic) are usually quite juvenile.

    Peter

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  61. on November 25, 2008 at 4:16 pm Tupac Chopra

    roissy:

    welcome to the jungle, clio.

    My little sugarplum just took her first baby steps into our Lord Of The Flies blog-island.

    I’m conflicted.

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  62. on November 25, 2008 at 4:18 pm SD

    You know when Clio says something mean about you that you have serious problems.

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  63. on November 25, 2008 at 4:31 pm z

    Roissy,

    Hopefully, as the human genome gets unveiled scientifically, humanity will be able to do something for people who are morbidly obese or who have misshapen crania/facial features.

    Some people are born pitifully unattrractive. That woman, even if she was a gym fanatic, would still be homely. Nothing short of massive amounts of cosmetic surgery could make her –less–unappealling to the eye.

    Genetics can be the cruelest thing on the planet. They display more hatred than a lion eating its prey alive……at least the prey will be dead soon. These might be two decent likeable people in their personalities though, hence I will not hate anyone based on their face being homely, as there is nothing one can do about that. I do resent gratuitous obesity though. You CAN do something about yourself from the waist down if you aren’t paralyzed.

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  64. on November 25, 2008 at 4:44 pm joshrandall

    Lets eee…skinny,jug eared doofus marrying an ugly,large and domineering woman…sounds like Barack Obongo!!!!!

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  65. on November 25, 2008 at 4:44 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    Why are scientists still fucking with caveman fossils when we have a living, breathing Cro-Magnon chick that slipped through the evolutionary cracks? Look at that brow! She needs to make some extra money donating herself to science or doing Geico commercials, for real.

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  66. on November 25, 2008 at 4:53 pm Nicole

    I just…I don’t…damn.

    Now y’all know I’m a big woman. I never hid that. I don’t rightly care what people I’m not shagging or planning to, think of this since I have more to do in this world than be cute, and dealt with this long ago when I was slimmer, but looked like a junior transvestite.

    I’m a fat acceptor. I believe in fitness at every size. I meditate with a bag of kitty litter on my belly to teach myself greater self discipline, strengthen my chi, and have some abs under my pooch. I’m even a member of Fat Chicks with Guns.

    But there’s a line.

    There’s a line between being chunky and having some belly fat and junk in the trunk, and not having discernable elbows or knees. There’s a point where you can’t blame your thyroid, your parents for feeding you because they love you, or pressure from society.

    It is my hope that she has indeed accepted herself, is at least on the way to getting control of her health, and that getting married was something that happened because once she started loving herself, she found someone who could love her for who she is. I really hope that.

    If not, then I would have to call Roissy’s assessment of the situation, blissfully naive and overly optimistic.

    If she’s found herself a fetishist, good on her…someone who’s just very tolerant and seriously doesn’t care about looks, even better. If she’s smart, resourceful, and a cool person who’s just a chronic overeater, then it can balance. Maybe they’re kinky and suit each other in ways they don’t discuss with vanilla people..but if she’s got someone who is an enabler, she’s in for a world of pain.

    Some guys marry ugly women because they are angry at beautiful women. They’re misogynists who are attracted to certain kinds of vulnerability, and want someone they can push around.

    If you think he can’t be sexually turned on by her, think again. That type of guy gets off on the power…thinking that nobody else would want her, and occasionally telling her so, perhaps punctuated by a punch.

    So I hope for her sake that he really is an o, or a fetishist who worships her sausage-like toes.

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  67. on November 25, 2008 at 4:56 pm Sparks123

    What are the exact Roissy rankings? I think it’s something like: 1) Alpha, 2) Beta provider, 3) Beta, 4) Lesser Beta, 5) Omega

    Am I missing anything?

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  68. on November 25, 2008 at 5:02 pm Slumlord

    You know….these people are probably fully aware of where they stand in the attractiveness scale of life. However it may be possible that although the world finds them unattractive, they, through circumstances not of their own choosing, have found love with each other. They have both had to settle for the best that they can get and while each may not have been the others first choice, they have managed to find something about each other they like.

    It is true that nature is unmerciful but I think it’s pretty poor form to mock them. Very poor form.

    Thursday:

    This is also the biggest reason why hetero guys enter the Catholic priesthood.

    You really don’t see the picture, do you?

    Roissy:

    The bottom of the barrel often embrace the soldier’s life because it offers the only chance to raise their value.

    Go tell it to this couple

    Clio:

    You’re not that pretty anymore.

    I feel dirty. I gotta get out of here.

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  69. on November 25, 2008 at 5:17 pm jaakkeli

    Damn, he’s right.

    I knew I’d feel awful for laughing but I laughed anyway.

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  70. on November 25, 2008 at 5:37 pm chicnoir

    I can’t believe that is really a woman. Why does her hairline start so far back?
    God forgive because me I know I am not perfect. Life must be so hard when you a woman who looks like that. Then again, she is married meanwhile many better-looking women are not. Maybe this says something about your theory that men only care about looks.

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  71. on November 25, 2008 at 5:46 pm Lyndon

    “You aren’t at the lowest level of dreg because you haven’t dropped out of society entirely and are able, however nauseatingly, to propagate your genes.”

    I thought the point to life was fucking, according to roissy. Until now, you’ve never given value to gene propagation, putting you at odds with real science.

    The problem with your whole system of thought is that you have first created an unnatural state by saying that the purpose of life is fucking. How do I know it’s unnatural? Because of living creatures that reproduce asexually. Thus, we know that not all living things are interested in fucking. Reproduction is the purpose of life, and most scientists would tell you that.

    Now, having created an abnormal system, you continue to apply theories and evidence taken from nature. However, since you altered the system by redefining the goals, nothing taken from nature can be valid. It simply doesn’t apply. It’s like social darwinism. Anyone who knows anything about real science knows that concept has no real root in scientific study. The same goes for your derivations based on scientific studies.

    Further, your insistence that a woman’s desire to fuck you is the measure of your value may be true with your assumed purpose of life. That said, it needs to further consider that contraception has changed the nature of sexual selection. Again, the system has been altered from a natural state, so sexual selection has been divorced from the biological imperative of reproduction. You’ve commented on the role of contraception, but generally to condemn feminism. I’d suggest that as soon as contraception enters the mix, women are more accepting of who they’ll sleep with, meaning they become LESS selective about who they screw, but remain selective about who they share genes with. This means that gamers are really the 2nd tier, the ones that would never get in the door accept for the fact that women have some way to prevent you from fertilizing their eggs. The betas you see with the children may be less SEXUALLY desirable to women, but are more REPRODUCTIVELY desirable to women. In truly biological terms, betas win. To hear you tell it, one would have to believe that gamers are being naturally selected for extinction.

    You can do what you want, and I have no problem with you gaming women and sleeping with anything you can get your hands on. Your scientific justifications for it, however, generally suggest you have a poor grasp of serious science. Either you know better and you’re dishonest, or you’re ignorant.

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  72. on November 25, 2008 at 5:47 pm chicnoir

    No one wants to look at people like this in the office, so they will probably work at jobs in coal mines or sewage treatment plants where they don’t pollute anyone’s vista.

    I don’t feel that way about unattractive people but plenty of people do. There is not a lot she can do about how she looks anyway.
    SMH

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  73. on November 25, 2008 at 5:47 pm Anonymous

    Yes, Slumlord, it was mean of me and I do regret it now.

    When I first saw the pictures, I thought there was something fishy about this couple and didn’t believe they were really a couple. The young man’s comments on his wedding night had an artificial ring to me, as if he were acting a part, and the bride looked to me like a man in woman’s clothes.

    Now I think I was mistaken – it would have been an awfully elaborate prank to pull off. I’m sorry I said anything.

    Clio

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  74. on November 25, 2008 at 5:57 pm chicnoir

    Clio, I thought the bride was a man too. I guess it’s her hairline and deep set eyes that makes her look very masculine.

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  75. on November 25, 2008 at 5:59 pm Tupac Chopra

    Clio:

    Now I think I was mistaken – it would have been an awfully elaborate prank to pull off. I’m sorry I said anything.

    Yes, you’ve been a very bad girl, Clio.

    Now lay across my knees with your rump in the air and I will provide absolution…

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  76. on November 25, 2008 at 6:04 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lyndon:

    The betas you see with the children may be less SEXUALLY desirable to women, but are more REPRODUCTIVELY desirable to women.

    A distinction without a difference.

    Save for the practical needs of raising the newborn, most of which are provided for in our modern society, women find alphas both sexually and reproductively superior. Hence the alarming cuckoldry rates.

    A beta is a superior babysitter.

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  77. on November 25, 2008 at 6:18 pm Racer X

    At first I agreed with Clio: this is a hoax and the bride is actually a man. It is hard to say what is going on here. Still, I think the bride is woman, but she may be retarded or have some other kind of mental defect or perhaps she is a hermaphrodite or a transsexual or perhaps just escaped from the circus freak show or even liberated from there by the US army. Whatever the case, she or it is hideously ugly. I would rather fuck a cow.

    The guy in the picture just needs to be castrated ASAP.

    I once had sex with a less than attractive girl and I was scarred forever after that. It is never worth it.

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  78. on November 25, 2008 at 6:23 pm chicnoir

    joshrandall
    Lets eee…skinny,jug eared doofus marrying an ugly,large and domineering woman…sounds like Barack Obongo!!!!!

    You and I both know that Obama’s wife in no way resembles that woman in size. Michelle is 5’11 and a size 8, which means she is slimmer than most American women(size 14). BTW, most of the Victoria Secret models who you jerk to, are of equal height or two inches shorter than Michelle.

    T, you started this sh*t 😦

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  79. on November 25, 2008 at 6:24 pm Oh-fer-cryin-out-loud

    Um … guys?

    Ever forget that there might just be more to alpha-ness or beta-ness than the beauty of the girls you can tag? Do you honestly believe you can gauge the power or will inside of a man by his woman?

    Sure, there’s a loose correlation there — alpha guys will tend to pull prettier girls, I suppose — but if you’re trying to suggest a guy with an unattractive wife can’t be an alpha-wolf male … That’s absurd. Alphatude comes from within, *not* from the gal you have in tow. If you feel you can only show dominance through “conquering” women — well. Let’s hope you never encounter a real enemy, or even rival.

    This guy got the girl he wanted. I can’t speculate as to what they see in each other, we really don’t have enough information. The guy’s Mrs. really could shed some pounds, for health and pride reasons if nothing else, but that’s her business.

    Face it — this guy is going into the Army. In wartime. He’s a ROTC cadet. He’s a warrior, albeit still fledgling. You think you can look down on a man like that because he doesn’t have the knack of sweet-talking silly girls’ knickers off?

    There’s more to manhood than sex, folks. Sheesh.

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  80. on November 25, 2008 at 6:33 pm PA

    You’re right. He is an ROTC cadet, not a Private. In other words, likely a college student, and a soon-to-be officer. I initially couldn’t make out what’s on his lapel.

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  81. on November 25, 2008 at 6:34 pm PA

    Of course, if this is a hoax, he could get into a world of shit for improper use of military uniform.

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  82. on November 25, 2008 at 6:41 pm agnostic

    Definitely not a woman — obviously a man who’s convinced a hick with a 75 IQ that those billowing folds of lard are a vagina. Too bad the dipshit has no experience to tell him otherwise.

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  83. on November 25, 2008 at 6:58 pm Lyndon

    “A distinction without a difference.”

    Quite to the contrary. roissy has made the distinction between reproductive capacity and sexual capacity the core of his system of thought.

    Everything that is discussed here has repeatedly asserted that betas get saddled with the women and children after the alpha has had his way. By the twisted logic presented, divorced from any sound scientific evidence, alphas are screw toys of the feminist empowerment. Betas have become the biologically preferred group for gene propagation.

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  84. on November 25, 2008 at 7:08 pm Sardonic_sob

    “Your ears you keep and I’ll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, “Dear God! What is that thing,” will echo in your perfect ears. That is what to the pain means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.”

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  85. on November 25, 2008 at 7:32 pm Lupo

    I don’t know why you guys are surprised at this. I mean, James Fucking Bond has a wife who is only marginally more attractive. yeah, all right, she’s a little prettier, but he’s rich, handsome and James Bond and he still has to pork a heiffer.

    FWIIW, I have known two mostly gay dudes who also banged Heifers of that magnitude in an attempt to get over their gayness. Personally I think there are many kinds of gayness. Heiffer bangers are probably the kind who are afraid of their mommies, like Freud said.

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  86. on November 25, 2008 at 7:32 pm Lupo

    Erm, somehow the photo didn’t come out: link here, or google on Pierce Brosnan at the beach.

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  87. on November 25, 2008 at 7:51 pm Keith

    Yeah, that reminds me of this girl who was quite a looker; tall, slender, exotically sculpted face… and an accent that directly aroused guys via soundwave. She nearly married some total loser who look like a pre-op transsexual! Thank God that freak ain’t breeding.

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  88. on November 25, 2008 at 8:08 pm Nicole

    Clio, there’s alot this woman could do for her looks aside of losing weight.

    This is partly my field…natural makeovers. Exercise and a proper diet wouldn’t just help with her weight problem. It would boost her immune system, and increase the toughness and quality of her hair and skin.

    She could also opt for a hairstyle with bangs, or that at least framed her face better. Definitely, she shouldn’t have had her dress made by Omar the Tentmaker.

    The bridesmaids didn’t, but they went too far in the other extreme.

    You’d be surprised what a little self confidence can do for a woman’s appearance. When you’re beautiful, you don’t have to be perfect. 😉

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  89. on November 25, 2008 at 8:13 pm Patrick Bateman

    This is depressing. I’d rather fuck the husband than that wild beast he married.

    @ Oh-fer-cryin-out-loud

    Certainly an alpha may find that his dream girl with a perfect personality is only a 7 on the looks scale, but the greatest personality in the world won’t make an alpha take a 0.

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  90. on November 25, 2008 at 8:23 pm chicnoir

    I think the woman in the gold dress is her sister.

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  91. on November 25, 2008 at 8:31 pm johnny five

    page 13 of the sherdog site says:

    Dammit I knew the pregnant before marriage and losing my virginity on wedding night would get me. I was just too lazy and tired to edit.

    i just wasted five minutes of my life.

    —

    clio:

    Now I think I was mistaken – it would have been an awfully elaborate prank to pull off.

    howard stern show, perhaps?
    one can hope.

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  92. on November 25, 2008 at 8:31 pm Nicole

    …but Patrick, it happens all the time. The 0’s are just skinny.

    Americans don’t value beauty. They worship McBeauty.

    She fits all the standard McQuirements except thinness.

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  93. on November 25, 2008 at 8:36 pm zai

    I have an idea. Now that a few million people have had fun at her expense, why not pitch in a few cents and get her a surgery/makeover. If that does happen, I also predict that she will leave him within a year. Sadly selfish are the ways of humankind.

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  94. on November 25, 2008 at 8:37 pm joel

    This picture is really disturbing. Thanks, Roissy for making my day. I hope the next time (every time?) you are masturbating or having sex of any sort the image of this woman comes into your mind. That could be enough to ruin your sex life.

    I mean, this picture could make some marginal guys like me impotent for weeks.

    Ugh. Just ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

    I may have to reformat my hard drive to get rid of that image.

    On the other had, have they thought of using her as an interrogator at Gitmo?

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  95. on November 25, 2008 at 8:45 pm Nicole

    Joel, we don’t want to reward the prisoners there.

    …unless your idea is to extract information through pillowtalk, using a fat, blonde White woman to interrogate Muslims is not going to produce anything but erections.

    Case in point:

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  96. on November 25, 2008 at 8:50 pm truckster

    The wedding cake was sculpted out of Twinkies?

    THE WEDDING CAKE WAS FUCKING SCULPTED OUT TO TWINKIES!

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  97. on November 25, 2008 at 8:54 pm Lisa

    “i just wasted five minutes of my life.”

    Thank you. Critical reading people! This is not the first time our peerless leader was taken in.

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  98. on November 25, 2008 at 8:54 pm Nicole

    Twinkies, eh?

    Fetishist…he’s definitely a fetishist because that is a kind of fat lovers’ inside joke.

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  99. on November 25, 2008 at 8:59 pm hello

    “not always.
    some people are so unworthy they don’t have matches.”

    Grow-pissy,
    Looked in the mirror lately?

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  100. on November 25, 2008 at 9:01 pm anony

    For this reason, we all (taxpayers) are affected by the obese:
    This from the American Obesity Association:

    Social Security Disability
    If you are obese, you may be entitled to disability payments from the Social Security Administration (SSA). According to the SSA, $77 million are paid monthly to approximately 137,000 persons who met obesity requirements for disability

    Compassion for all. She might benefit from gastric banding or Weight Watchers.

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  101. on November 25, 2008 at 9:04 pm jaakkeli

    johnny five, it’s a standard troll job to take someone’s embarrassing photo set and to pretend to be one of the people involved on some forum. He’s being rather obvious about that from the start but it’s actually funnier that way.

    The pictures don’t look fake. Unfortunately.

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  102. on November 25, 2008 at 9:05 pm Cannon's Canon

    I have contemplated this on the tree of woe and come up with the following hypothesis: the kid had an older brother who died in Iraq. His brother’s girlfriend had a retarded little sister. While he secretly harbors a forbidden crush on his dead brother’s girlfriend, he seeks to win her favor through an archetype act of beta selflessness and consigns himself to care for the less-fortunate (the zero). In homage to his brother, he plans to join the army. After furiously masturbating and punching a hole in the mobile home drywall, he puts down his third Schlitz 22oz and pledges to his god that he will avenge big bro’s death on a suicide mission for the army. He envisions a Carlito’s Way kick-door where he will blast as many infidels as possible. His life will end with an homage to his brother and also win posthumous favor with his forbidden love, as her family will reap the bounty of the retard’s state-paid spousal death benefits.

    However, because he is a spineless omega, he will never muster the sack needed to even peek out of his bunker. His secret mission will have failed, but he will return home a hero of sorts and feel overwhelmed with the exhilaration of his promotion to lesser beta. He may even make a pass, drunkenly, at his orca wife’s sister, but she will slap him and expose him to his in-laws. His fat wife will never leave him, but she will pledge to herself to make his life as additionally miserable as possible. He will stray to an equally fat girl with some other pronounced physical deformity, who values his preference of her over his own wife as a priceless proof of self-worth. The fat wife will confront the fat deformed girlfriend outside her trailer while the skinny husband watches from the window. It will be a brisk autumn day in South Carolina, ground still damp with the morning’s dew. A thunderous slap will ring out through the brittle air, and the silhouettes of the ensuing scrum will prompt comparisons to Gilbert Brown bullrushing Bam Bam Bigelow on a 4th and goal from the 3. The pigs will collapse into the mud and wallow, too tired after five seconds to do anything but beat their own bellies as they flail their arms. The rain gods will hear the rally cry and unleash a raging torrent of floodwater directly down onto the 20×20 plot of land. The trailer will be swept off to sea carrying the skinny husband in it. His latent agoraphobia subdues any ambition of escape, but the trailer miraculously floats. The tides of the Atlantic carry him into deep waters, and he actually lives a contented few days eating the trailer’s contents of canned food and RC Cola. Eventually, sharks ravage the trailer, and as he is devoured through the teeth of one such monstrous beast, he sheds a single tear at the irony of the ending of his life.

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  103. on November 25, 2008 at 9:08 pm hello

    Slumlord,
    Thank you for your posting and that heartbreaking wedding photo. I once knew a girl who was a dead ringer for Andrea Dworkin. She was nice, smart, and funny but no one and I mean NO ONE saw past her looks. If I were one tenth that ugly I’d be ravingly resentful of attractive women but she was very nice. Far nicer than the people who mocked that poor woman while temporarily forgetting to post their own pictures.

    Anyone who had to spend ten seconds in the skin of a truly butt-ugly woman would know what real pain is and all I can say is that genetic engineering can’t come soon enough.

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  104. on November 25, 2008 at 9:30 pm JunkyFungus

    Geez, thats it I’m going to the gym twice today. Thanksgiving has been canceled!

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  105. on November 25, 2008 at 9:33 pm chicnoir

    anony For this reason, we all (taxpayers) are affected by the obese:
    This from the American Obesity Association:

    Social Security Disability
    If you are obese, you may be entitled to disability payments from the Social Security Administration (SSA). According to the SSA, $77 million are paid monthly to approximately 137,000 persons who met obesity requirements for disability

    anony
    Don’t forget the smokers and the people who don’t practice safe sex.

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  106. on November 25, 2008 at 9:47 pm ironrailsironweights

    I would rather fuck a cow.

    That probably could be arranged, with sufficient advance notice.

    Peter

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  107. on November 25, 2008 at 9:47 pm Thursday

    Pierce Brosnan’s wife used to be a total hottie. If you take a look at the pictures in the following article, you will note that they both seem to be packing on the pounds together. Scroll down for a picture of them both in their prime:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-509208/Pierce-Brosnan-shows-Bond-girl-wife.html

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  108. on November 25, 2008 at 9:53 pm chicnoir

    anony don’t forget the smokers and people who have unprotected sex.

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  109. on November 25, 2008 at 9:57 pm hello

    I once knew a very mannish woman who resembled the “bride”. Tragic, tragic young woman.

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  110. on November 25, 2008 at 11:29 pm Anonymous

    Well, I do hope that this couple’s life holds no tragedies beyond physical ugliness.

    Their problem is quite different from that of the young man in the other wedding photo, posted by slumlord. His scars were clearly caused by a tragic accident. People will inevitably stare, but I imagine that the majority will force themselves to be polite after the first surprise has worn off.

    Clio

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  111. on November 25, 2008 at 11:57 pm GVChamp

    Welp, I tried drinking, and even with that, even through the internet, even getting no action in several months, even wasting my time on internet web comics…

    I STILL wouldn’t hit that. 😦

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  112. on November 25, 2008 at 11:58 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lyndon:

    Betas have become the biologically preferred group for gene propagation.

    Settling != Preferring

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  113. on November 26, 2008 at 12:00 am Tupac Chopra

    Nicole:

    She fits all the standard McQuirements except thinness.

    Here we go again…

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  114. on November 26, 2008 at 12:02 am hello

    Clio, I think the groom in that second photo is a wounded veteran. God bless her for standing by him.

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  115. on November 26, 2008 at 12:06 am Tupac Chopra

    jaakkeli:

    johnny five, it’s a standard troll job to take someone’s embarrassing photo set and to pretend to be one of the people involved on some forum.

    Phew, for a second there I thought Clio had been granted a reprieve from her spanking.

    My palm is still held aloft in stern resolve to strike that pert bottom of hers.

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  116. on November 26, 2008 at 12:10 am Lupo

    Thursday: I don’t care if she used to be hot (and the “before” photo merits … I dunno, 8 on a good day -I have certainly kept better happy). She ain’t now. I’ve porked women older than her, but I’ve never stuck my tubesteak in something which was that much of a tub of butter. Amusingly, she was an active proponent of California’s recent proposition 2, which was all about cruelty to farmyard animals, so I guess she feels a special bond with other livestock.

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  117. on November 26, 2008 at 12:13 am Anonymous

    Hello, that’s in fact what I meant. Sorry I wasn’t clearer. I was simply trying to emphasize that even in situations in which people would not know that he was a veteran, they could see that he had been the victim of a tragedy.

    Fat tends to evoke different responses in people because it is to some degree self-inflicted. There are exceptions, of course, and anyway I always feel for people who are struggling against bad habits, because I have so many of my own.

    The bride’s smile was disturbing because it seemed so aggressive and shark-like. I think that’s why my first response was not to feel sorry for her but to be simply put off by her.

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  118. on November 26, 2008 at 12:13 am Tupac Chopra

    Clio:

    Their problem is quite different from that of the young man in the other wedding photo, posted by slumlord. His scars were clearly caused by a tragic accident. People will inevitably stare, but I imagine that the majority will force themselves to be polite after the first surprise has worn off.

    I do have to wonder why the bride in Roissy’s post is taking most of the heat. It’s up for debate just how much control she has over her plight, but it should go without saying that Mr. Omegatron is far more culpable. And should probably be cock-punched for seeding her womb.

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  119. on November 26, 2008 at 12:27 am Tupac Chopra

    Clio:

    There are exceptions, of course, and anyway I always feel for people who are struggling against bad habits, because I have so many of my own.

    Pshaw. Being unerringly gracious and exquisitely charming is your only flaw, my dear.

    I think that’s why my first response was not to feel sorry for her but to be simply put off by her.

    a.k.a. the gag relfex

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  120. on November 26, 2008 at 2:45 am Anonymous

    why do fat girls give great head?

    because they have to

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  121. on November 26, 2008 at 5:29 am Eurosabra

    Look, there are plenty of hick butter bars (2nd Lts.) in all the armies of the world, and how much of this is a class distinction?

    I’ve been with women in the range of 5’0-5’5″, 160lbs-180lbs, who still clocked in at 5 or 6 because of their symmetrical, unlined faces, clear skin, hourglass shapes, and symmetrical breasts, buttocks, and hips. They were also educated members of the middle classes, who couldn’t take the route of harridan feminism if they wanted to keep men in their lives.

    I get that 1/3 of my sex life to date is providing pity-fucks to hideous women (by the standards of this board), but I suppose I want to make a plea on behalf of some nebulous “human spirit” with the idea that anyone can embody the positive side of such arcana. Certainly Game is one of the answers, but I can’t see that wandering around with Beta rage or scathing contempt for a large portion of humanity–based on happenstance genetics–is very healthy for a man moving through the world.

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  122. on November 26, 2008 at 6:43 am ironrailsironweights

    For today’s viewing pleasure, this GNP is a little on the sparse side, but the extreme close-up makes it all worthwhile.

    Peter

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  123. on November 26, 2008 at 6:53 am SFG

    Thanks Roissy. I may be a lesser beta but there are worse things than singledom.

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  124. on November 26, 2008 at 7:17 am Shouting Thomas

    Every one of you morons is a step away from a disfiguring illness.

    I hope that others are as kind to you when and if you suffer this fate.

    Roissy… you are a complete fucking asshole.

    No, you are not privy to some arcane wisdom.

    You’re a fucking chump.

    Stop behaving like a high school boy.

    You are so stupid so you don’t know that you are disgracing yourself.

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  125. on November 26, 2008 at 7:27 am Shouting Thomas

    After posting, I realized that you fucking morons may not realize the moral problem in this disgusting bit of fun you’re having.

    Ridiculing those who are less fortunate than you… well, it’s about as low as another human can go.

    Roissy, you are a contemptible stupid fucking son of a bitch. A real Alpha would take you out in the back yard and beat the shit out of you. You’ve got it coming.

    One of the most important marks of the true Alpha is a sense of decency and kindness.

    There’s something about the internet that encourages worthless assholes to disgrace themselves.

    Roissy, shut down this site and find a job as a bicycle messenger… if you can. I doubt that you can do any better than that.

    What a little cunt you are.

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  126. on November 26, 2008 at 8:21 am Nate

    I’d say its safe to assume the groom in the picture is Shouting Thomas, or he’s related to the bride or groom.

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  127. on November 26, 2008 at 8:43 am Shouting Thomas

    Nate,

    Are you beating off in your mother’s basement again?

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  128. on November 26, 2008 at 8:56 am Shouting Thomas

    I’m not a lawyer, but, I’ve got a feeling, assholes, that you’ve ventured into a touchy area here.

    Publishing people’s private pictures and holding them up to public ridicule may well be actionable. I wouldn’t doubt it at all.

    I don’t know who these people are, but I’ll bet they find out about this little bit of asshole childishness… Roissy.

    If you actually have any assets (which I doubt), you might want to hire a lawyer.

    And, if you are adding to this bit a cuntish stupidity as a commenter, you might find yourselves also subject to a lawsuit.

    So, little boys, you might want to think a moment before shitting your pants on this board.

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  129. on November 26, 2008 at 9:11 am anony

    @Thomas,
    I’m with you that making sport of people’s appearance is juvenile and distasteful. But, how are these really “private pictures”? I understand they were generated from Facebook or other public sources. To use an analogy, if these were ugly photos of a celebrity or political figure, they would be grist for ridicule.

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  130. on November 26, 2008 at 9:19 am anony

    and Thomas,
    Your comments started on high ground with a call for decency and compassion. You then devolve into threats of “beating” and litigation. You’re falling into his pit.

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  131. on November 26, 2008 at 9:30 am Lyndon

    “Settling != Preferring”

    Please explain to me how you come to the conclusion that it as settling other than it suits your needs. Biologically, the women have selected the betas to reproduce. You’re introducing “settling” without any evidence to back it up. I can just as easily say the women are settling to fuck the gaming pseudo-alphas until a roissy-defined-beta comes along at which point they are ready to mate. That proves nothing because it’s only a play on words to justify my position.

    The only difference is that science backs me up on the idea that reproduction is selection and dictates preference. Show me some scientific literature that shows intercourse as a means of natural selection and I’ll concede.

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  132. on November 26, 2008 at 9:35 am smoothvirus

    @Thomas

    Lighten up, Francis.

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  133. on November 26, 2008 at 9:42 am JC

    far FAR left tail of the human bell curve. …. are you kidding me ? That shit if off the scale.

    I would rather have sex with a goat.

    LOL !

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  134. on November 26, 2008 at 9:47 am No_Fat_Chicks

    The sad thing is that the little girl and boy in the wedding picture are pry the same age, but the baby manatee is about 3 times his weight. These flat-toothed grazers are raising their young in their own image. You cannot respect a species that doesnt try to better the next generation.

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  135. on November 26, 2008 at 9:59 am Markku

    I found the bride strikingly ugly her gross overweight notwithstanding. She looks very unfeminine with her sloped forehead and receded hairline. Thus the groom serves well as an illustration of omegahood. That said, I felt no need to be cruel toward these people. And to mock them publically for being ugly is to lower oneself.

    But I’m not sure they are worthy of a great deal of pity, either. Both of them have had a lifetime to get used to their condition. And they’re lucky enough to live in a first world country, healthy, and steadily employed. These people are doing better than at least half the population of the world.

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  136. on November 26, 2008 at 10:13 am Markku

    By the way, it would’ve made a hell of a lot of sense for the groom to look for a foreign bride before settling with the local talent available for him. He’s an ROTC cadet, will study political science at a college, and probably will become an officer in the future. So he is likely to have a triple-digit IQ. The groom is not a hopeless case. He could’ve learned some game and snatched at least an average looking foreign woman. Perhaps being deeply religious has somehow messed up his mind.

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  137. on November 26, 2008 at 10:23 am ironrailsironweights

    I still think this is an elaborate hoax. Remember how everyone thought lonelygirl15 was real?

    Peter

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  138. on November 26, 2008 at 10:48 am BasilRansom

    Lupo, I was fiercely incredulous when you said Bond (ie. Pierce Brosnan) is married to a fatty, and behold, I found this – http://www.beforeandaftermarriage.com/celebrity/fat-keely-shaye-smith (edit: I see others posted it).

    Worse, she was just a 7, 7.5 when all done up, when she was in good shape, pre-marriage. His first, late wife had a slightly mangled face.

    Christ, alpha of alphas among film characters, is … a total beta? Everything but his choice in women says no.

    I used to prefer Brosnan to the new, rather prole-looking Bond. No more. Sean’s always been the best.

    I thought a strictly positive eugenics program would be enough to ensure a bright future. Apparently not. Worst part is, no amount of protection would forestall this disaster, because it’s not a birth out of wedlock thang.

    The leftmost bridesmate would probably be a 1 on the binary scale, minus 250 lbs.

    Shouting Thomas, what’s an Alpha? Per Roissy, it’s a man who’s attractive to lots of women. That says little about his character.

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  139. on November 26, 2008 at 10:49 am Shouting Thomas

    I’ll decode for you, now, why Roissy is also fucking worthless cunts.

    He’s a worthless piece of shit.

    Like attracts like.

    The problem isn’t women in general. The problem is that Roissy is lowlife scum.

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  140. on November 26, 2008 at 11:11 am Shouting Thomas

    Roissy,

    I’ll go a little further:

    This posting, depending on how it affects the people you are publicly ridiculing may subject you to criminal prosecution.

    Google the Lori Drew case.

    The rest of you morons involved in this might want to consider this as well.

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  141. on November 26, 2008 at 11:13 am Comment_Anony

    ******
    and Thomas,
    Your comments started on high ground with a call for decency and compassion. You then devolve into threats of “beating” and litigation. You’re falling into his pit.
    ******
    Do you even LIVE in America?

    He is simply following a typical SWPL playbook.

    Step 1:Establish Moral Superiority

    Step 2:Attack like a rabid animal

    When you add in people like Thomas’s willingness to lie about their own actions and play stupid, they have quite a little game going. They start the whole “I’m offended that you are being mean to me when I haven’t done NOTHING” after they’ve attacked you.

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  142. on November 26, 2008 at 11:14 am Shouting Thomas

    Google the Lori Drew case, morons.

    This woman is currently being prosecuted for a malicious attack on a young woman who committed suicide.

    You assholes are doing the same fucking thing.

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  143. on November 26, 2008 at 11:16 am BasilRansom

    The relevant stat is 23.3% of American women aged 20-29 are overweight, BMI >25. ~22% of white women. Even 23-25 is pushing it, for most women.

    Here’s a slideshow of people with their weights, heights and corresponding BMI. There’s a surprising number of girls who look decent but have high BMIs. Probably a function of build.

    http://flickr.com/photos/77367764@N00/show/with/1457384857/

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  144. on November 26, 2008 at 11:16 am Shouting Thomas

    Roissy,

    You are either:

    1. Too fucking stupid to know what you are exposing yourself to, or

    2. You are completely broke, or

    3. You already have a criminal record.

    Or any combination of the above.

    You are subjecting yourself to potential lawsuit and criminal charges with this posting.

    I suggest that you try to make this entire post and its comments disappear.

    Unfortunately for you, it’s probably too late.

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  145. on November 26, 2008 at 11:18 am Pupu

    Slumlord and Shouting Thomas,

    Pupu suspects that those photos have hit both of you in more dimensions than they have the rest of the commenters here. Our experience makes us see the same things differently. When Pupu looks at a picture of a cute puppy, a wider range of thoughts comes to her mind than perhaps that through yours: how cute the puppy is; it would be nice to find him a sibling; how would he look in a winter jacket and ear muffs; how would he taste in a hot pot; how to protect him from being putting into a hot pot; perhaps dressing him up and adding a few pounds of fat on him would help, etc. Some of the gruesome thoughts may never ever cross your mind, but they do Pupu’s.

    Let’s face it – there is something disturbing about those wedding photos. They should never have been brought to the public domain. But once they are out, it is hard to stop people from talking about them. When people do comment on them, some words are kinder than others. But anyone who decides to remain blind on a thorn in the eye is no kinder than those who comment on it in a matter-of-fact, not to mention, compassionate way.

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  146. on November 26, 2008 at 11:34 am Shouting Thomas

    Once again, morons… before you post one more deliberately malicious word about these people.

    Google the Lori Drew case.

    This woman is standing trial for maliciously attacking a young woman on a MySpace site.

    I can’t see a fucking bit of difference in what’s going on here.

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  147. on November 26, 2008 at 11:59 am Tupac Chopra

    Shouting Thomas:

    I can’t see a fucking bit of difference in what’s going on here.

    Indeed, it reminds of the time you slit that pigs throat:

    http://shoutingthomas.typepad.com/harleys_cars_girls_guitar/2008/07/shouting-thomas-butchers-pig-not-for-sqeamish.html

    I’m glad to see you’ve reclaimed your moral vigor.

    Have the lambs stopped screaming, Clarice?

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  148. on November 26, 2008 at 12:15 pm Mu'Min

    Wow.

    The women in the pics above definitely belong in the “Zeppelin” catergory.

    Did I hear DA say the word “standards”?

    I’m very interested in hearing Roissy or anyone else’s response; over the weekend I read a study that suggested that fat chicks actually get laid more than other chicks. Run a Google w/the words “fat chicks get laid more”. You should find it. Its at the Psychology Today website.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  149. on November 26, 2008 at 12:25 pm Shouting Thomas

    Roissy,

    These people have done you no harm. You don’t know them.

    You are attacking them gratuitously and maliciously for sadistic pleasure.

    Take down this posting, you worthless motherfucking piece of shit.

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  150. on November 26, 2008 at 12:44 pm Affe

    Re: Lori Drew.

    I think Roissy can rest easy. My Space is one thing – it’s a closed community, and Drew was charged with, essentially, criminal violation of MySpace’s ToS by signing up under an alias, as well as conspiracy. This foto set was on at least one forum previously (in reality, probably more than that). It was already “out there”. On top of that, Drew has yet to be actually convicted, no sure thing.

    Good luck prosecuting the internet.

    Re: Slumlord’s pic of the Marine and his bride – it looks like a renaissance painting – the groom looking down; the bride looking off to the side of the cameraman. Just wrenching.

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  151. on November 26, 2008 at 12:55 pm ironrailsironweights

    Here’s a slideshow of people with their weights, heights and corresponding BMI. There’s a surprising number of girls who look decent but have high BMIs. Probably a function of build.
    http://flickr.com/photos/77367764@N00/show/with/1457384857/

    That was an interesting slideshow, thanks for the link.

    My impression that the “underweight” and “obese” women were fairly obvious as such, but the distinctions between the “normal” and “overweight” ones were much more difficult to see. Perhaps the lesson is that BMI is useful mostly at the extremes.

    Peter

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  152. on November 26, 2008 at 1:02 pm PA

    — Google the Lori Drew case.

    As I recall it, the Lori Drew case involved an adult woman directly telling a 13-year-old girl she personally knew to commit suicide, under an online-alias.

    — Once again, morons

    ST, I’m kind of a fan over at 2BH, but please note that only a tiny minority of commenters are directly insulting the subjects of this blog posts. Most people here are making comments about things in general, or fair and nuanced remarks about the couple.

    — I still think this is an elaborate hoax

    Unless there is PhotoShopping involved, I doubt it. Not only is the groom in a US Army uniform, so is one of his groomsmen. It’s hard to make out his exact status, but he appears to have a blue infantry cord and the chevrons of an NCO.

    They’d be unlikely to be posing in uniforms like that and uploading this stuff online, if it were a joke. Improper use of a military uniform is a serious offense and at least the groomsman would know this.

    — Have the lambs stopped screaming, Clarice?

    I can always count on Tupac to deliver the mottest of bon mots.

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  153. on November 26, 2008 at 1:22 pm MarkD

    Minus the threats and profanity, Thomas is right. This is playground bullying of a particularly spiteful sort. It’s not anything I’d care to be associated with, regardless of legalities. Some things are just best left unsaid.

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  154. on November 26, 2008 at 3:36 pm chicnoir

    No_Fat_Chicks
    The sad thing is that the little girl and boy in the wedding picture are pry the same age, but the baby manatee is about 3 times his weight. These flat-toothed grazers are raising their young in their own image. You cannot respect a species that doesnt try to better the next generation

    mean
    Children are off limits.

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  155. on November 26, 2008 at 4:07 pm chicnoir

    Basil Ransom saidI used to prefer Brosnan to the new, rather prole-looking Bond. No more. Sean’s always been the best.
    Have you seen a pic of Sean’s wife? She is not a very good-looking woman. The key thing that sets an alpha male apart from most other men is his ability to do what makes him happy and no give a darn what other people think.

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  156. on November 26, 2008 at 5:09 pm Nicole

    Thomas, having been on the receiving end of some real online malice, I *wish* the people who were trying to harass me had the balls to post whatever they had to say on their own blog, and leave me out of it.

    People are welcome to their opinions. So long as it stays on their personal site then there’s really no harm done. If I post something in public, I expect people to have an opinion about it. If I don’t want the world to see something, I don’t post it in public.

    Now it’s obvious that Roissy is an asshole. Even he thinks so…and if you are as honest with yourself as I am, you’ll admit that you yourself are here partly because it is a kind of a freakshow for you.

    “Step right up and see the man without hope…”

    So one freak thinks another freak is freakier. I think Roissy’s a freak, he thinks I’m a freak, and if this woman or her husband read this blog, they’d probably think we’re both freaks. In the U.S. it may be grounds for legal action, but I doubt it since there was nothing I could do about people who really were trying to ruin my life.

    …and because of that, I beat them at their own game and they couldn’t do a damn thing about it.

    Roissy is welcome to his opinion. I disagree with it, and you know what? He not only has the right to his opinion, but to delete any posts that disagree with his if he chooses. It’s his blog.

    He’s not harassing the people on their sites. He’s stating his opinion on his site.

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  157. on November 26, 2008 at 6:24 pm Lupo

    BasilRansom:

    I calls ’em like I sees ’em. Brosnan is a first rate tool. His wife is a typical shameless American cow. There are good American women out there, but none of them have political causes they’re involved in. Politics is for people who can’t run their own lives. Politics involving cattle is about as low as they go.

    I got nothing against married fellas, as long as they wear the pants and marry hot. Michael Caine is a good example of what a married actor who wears the pants looks like; married since the 1970s, and his wife is in her 60s and arguably hotter than Brosnan’s wife in her prime.

    http://www.shakiracaine.com/

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  158. on November 26, 2008 at 6:48 pm hello

    If that’s indeed a woman I think she has a severe case of PCOS, which can cause male pattern baldness in women. If she were treated the receding hairline would get better and she’d lose weight.

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  159. on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 pm Kevin

    You know, this post finally settles it for me. The thread on the bodybuilding forum is obviously a troll, but the myspace stuff is real.

    I have family that lives in trailers, and what you fancy urban people are seeing is a glimpse of Walmart America. Check out his friends’ pages, they ride quads, go RVing, rent motel rooms and sit around getting stupid drunk for graduation. Can you imagine what it was like to grow up like this couple, in an environment where the status heirarchy this blog promulgates is enforced with a crueler hand?

    I see two misfits who, in the unlikely way that misfits have, actually found something like the true love we all profess to want. Obviously that love is blind. And just walking around in public as they do takes more balls than most of you posers will ever have.

    I think there’s a lot of unfortunate truth in this blog. What passes for love in our culture is, all too often, a quest for status and personal gratification in which everybody loses because everybody is only in the game for what they can get out of it. We’re all using each other.

    I think we all hope for love that transcends the petty concerns of status and looks. In twenty years, we’re all going to be fat and ugly anyway. It’d be sweet justice if this couple lived out their dotage happily surrounded by generations of offspring while all of us died bitter and alone.

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  160. on November 26, 2008 at 8:12 pm Chic Noir

    Agreed 2000% Keith.

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  161. on November 26, 2008 at 9:06 pm hello

    ack! Chic, your ugly gravie is back!

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  162. on November 26, 2008 at 9:30 pm Rain And

    “Publishing people’s private pictures and holding them up to public ridicule may well be actionable. I wouldn’t doubt it at all.”

    The pictures are all over the Internet. This happens a lot. There is no chance in hell this has any legal legs. And if it did big websites like The Superficial, that mock “celebrity” photos like this everyday would be the first to fall.

    Actually the first thing to fall would be the constitution. Perhaps you should take your shouting over to North Korea, where all these harmful little freedoms have already been taken care of.. for your own protection, of course.

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  163. on November 26, 2008 at 10:06 pm PA

    Here is a glimpse into an 0 m e g a’s mind:

    Filling her compact & delicious body
    with chicken paprika, she glanced at me
    twice.

    Fainting with interest, I hungered back
    and only the fact of her husband & four other people
    kept me from springing on her
    or falling at her little feet and crying
    ‘You are the hottest one for years of night
    Henry’s dazed eyes
    have enjoyed, Brilliance.’ I advanced upon
    (despairing) my spumoni. -Sir Bones: is stuffed,
    de world, wif feeding girls.

    -Black hair, complexion Latin, jewelled eyes
    downcast … The slob beside her
    feasts … What wonders is
    she sitting on, over there?
    The restuarant buzzes. She might as well be on Mars.

    Where did it all go wrong? There ought to be a law against Henry.
    -Mr. Bones: There is.

    – John Berryman

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  164. on November 27, 2008 at 12:29 am Vladimir

    Peter:

    My impression that the “underweight” and “obese” women were fairly obvious as such, but the distinctions between the “normal” and “overweight” ones were much more difficult to see. Perhaps the lesson is that BMI is useful mostly at the extremes.

    BMI usually gives absurd results for men who have even a moderate amount of muscle. A perfectly built guy of average height might easily be something like 5’11” and 170-180lbs, and his BMI will end up around 25, i.e. borderline overweight. Muscular men often have “overweight” BMIs, and dedicated bodybuilders are typically in the “obese” category, even if they don’t have a speck of body fat. On the other hand, I can hardly imagine a man with the “normal” BMI of 19 looking other than malnourished. Even men with middle-range “normal” BMIs of 21-22 can look way too thin and weak.

    For women, BMI is a much more realistic measure, although even athletically built girls can have falsely “overweight” BMIs (see Jessica from the slide show).

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  165. on November 27, 2008 at 9:43 am SFG

    Shouting Thomas: the whole point is that Roissy is immoral. IMHO, capitalism and modern sexual mores give the lie to morality. When years of hard, honest work lead to being downsized at 45, or being nice gets you rejection (I am not claiming to be a nice guy here), it’s clear that loyalty and honesty are handicaps. You have to lie and be dishonest to get your way to the top or into someone’s bed. Sociopathy is a survival trait. Religion tells you to be good because, well, without it, people would have no reason to.

    Might makes right. Evil is good for you. If there is a God, he’s more like Satan than the being of love religious people are telling you about.

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  166. on November 27, 2008 at 9:47 am Mu'Min

    Kevin and Nicole both make some very interesting comments; I personally see no harm in what Roissy’s doing in posting the photos and giving his commentary on them, and no matter how much any of us protests to the contrary, what he’s saying has a great deal of truth in it. The bottomline is that for even the most openminded among us, when it comes to whom we want to swap DNA with, all of the egalitarianism goes right outta the window. Roissy only says out loud what a lot of us-most of those reading these words right now in fact-keep on the down low of our subconscious minds.

    Having said that, Kevin makes a powerful point about the strangeness of this couple to find and apparently, love each other. Personally, I find the word “love” to be far too overly used and abused as a proxy for so many other things in our time, and yet I have to concede that Kev may be onto something with these two. I personally find the female to be repulsive beyond all measure, but who am I to tell another man who to love?

    Going back to my earlier post, I was initially shocked to read the “Fat Chicks Get Laid More” study online; but upon further reflection, it does make sense. Afterall, as Roissy has noted numerous times, a clear majority of American women, of whatever color or social strata, are clearly overweight. That’s a fact. Doing the sexual math from there isn’t difficult at all.

    As for the whole BMI piece, I personally think is yet another metric based on a very narrow set of criteria, as Vlad and others have pointed to. I’d like to mention yet another: Race. As a Black man, I, at 5’8″ and 180lbs, would be considered “overweight”. Yet I can can clearly see my belt buckle when I look down, and no one would accuse me of being a roundboy. It is a known fact that people who hail from the Western regions of Africa are notably more muscular and “beefier” than folks coming from Western Europe. And this is why I don’t knock Roissy too hard for what he likes in a woman; what I’d break in two he’d find just right, and what he’d find was a bit more than he could chew I find da bomb.

    Viva la difference.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  167. on November 27, 2008 at 1:45 pm Benedict Smith

    i showed this post to my buddy while we were out drinking last night. he laughed so hard he nearly cried, and then to the guys next to us who also laughed so hard they nearly cried. my side still hurts from laughing that hard.

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  168. on November 27, 2008 at 5:36 pm SFG

    That said if I were one of this dude’s army buddies I wouldn’t hesitate to kick your ass. He’s out there risking his life for his country and you’re here writing posts about game…

    But you’ve done a pretty good job of covering your tracks…

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  169. on November 27, 2008 at 8:40 pm Rain And

    “He’s out there risking his life for his country”

    He’s an Iraqi?

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  170. on November 28, 2008 at 1:12 am WGWAG

    Cool Blog and site, you seem nice. WGWAG

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  171. on November 28, 2008 at 3:25 am Nicole

    Mu, I was thinking…The fat chicks who are getting laid more aren’t doing it to themselves. Maybe the reason for it is that more average looking women are more approachable, and viewed as being more trustworthy, and therefore guys who are cool with fat chicks tend to be more assertive.

    I don’t think it’s just fat women though. I think it’s anybody far enough from the media “ideal” to be considered approachable.

    I had a friend who was a light ginger blonde, slim, and actually pretty. She used to wonder why only sleazy guys talked to her. I told her to stop dressing like a fashion plate and wear jeans sometimes, and ditch the makeup. Overnight, her world changed. Now she’s married to a really sweet guy.

    Unfortunately, the baggage from the way she got treated before makes her treat him like dirt. Maybe I shouldn’t have told her anything. 😦

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  172. on November 28, 2008 at 6:29 am Mu'Min

    Hi Nicole,
    While I think what you say above may have some merit in certain cases, I think the simple explanation is that, for the most part, they’re the only game in town so to speak. Roissy cites a website that reports that some 62% of ALL American women are overweight. That’s a pretty big number, and so it by definition includes all groups and classes of women, mainly White since White folks are still the clear numercial majority in this country. Of course, given a clear choice of a preferred woman over what they have, my guess is that most guys would choose the former; but at only 38% currently, they just aren’t enough non-obese women to go around.

    This is a major issue of concern because of what it means for the country overall; as the website Roissy cited points out, women tend to live longer than do most men, and the chronic health problems that come from being grossly overweight can really be ugly in terms of quality of life and as well, cost. Put that together with the fact that women now play an integral role in the American workforce, and this problem really becomes major.

    Whatever the cause or reason, one would think that for all the focus “women’s health issues” get, both in terms of national exposure/outreach and in terms of real federal monies, there would more attention given to this issue than it currently gets, which, insofar as I know, is zero. I can easily rattle off the number of times I’ve seen adverts plastered on the side of busses and the like about breast cancer, or heard radio spots about how HIV is doing a number on Black women (btw, Black women in particular, are seriously overweight on average in comparison to White and even Hispanic women, according to the site Roissy mentions above-wow!), or the “Go Red” campaign for women; but I’ve never actually seen or heard, about anything that addresses such a powerful concern.

    And, after thinking about this, Nicole, I gotta tell ya, my overall contempt for the umpteen feminist groups and lobbies out there that crow on and on about “women’s issues” just went thru the floor. They can rail on about abortion, they make a huge to do over domestic violence, or any number of other things, but something that’s so obvious and overarching in scope as the grossly overweight problem American women face is not mentioned at all by them. If I was conspiracy theorist type, I would say the main reason why that is, is because feminists would see that urging women to lose weight would be demeaning and “sexist”, catering to mens’ sexual depravity. I have no idea what the true reason is as to why NOW, Women’s Way, Emily’s List, Feministing, Feministe, etc, et al, are so silent, but the fact that they are disgusts me.

    And I say all this as a man who has always appreciated a fuller figured gal; Mu has always been a friend to the Zaftig Woman, LOL. But there IS a difference between “voluptuous” and what appears in the photos above-a pretty big one, pardon the pun. When somebody like me can see what Roissy, a man who’s idea of feminine beauty diverges from mine quite substantially, that American women of whatever stripe do indeed have a weight problem, you know things have really gone to the dogs.
    Holla back

    Salaam
    Mu

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  173. on November 28, 2008 at 6:43 am Ra Lb.

    Shouting Thomas — I largely agree with you…while I appreciate some of the humor and brutal honestly found on this blog, the majority of people who post here regularly are deeply disturbed sociopaths.

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  174. on November 28, 2008 at 8:49 am Spike Gomes

    Ra Lb.
    “I’m not a sociopath, I just play one on the internet!”

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  175. on November 28, 2008 at 6:08 pm Jack

    While I did mock the couple (and they have pictures up on myspace for everyone to see) I have to agree with Kevin that it is a good thing that they were able to find love, and I wish them well.

    But suffice it to say I won’t be traveling to Ninety Six, SC anytime soon.

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  176. on November 28, 2008 at 6:54 pm Nicole

    Ra Lb, I seriously doubt that any of the regulars here are sociopaths. This blog would probably be an unfriendly place to them because to accept criticism or advice about one’s game, one has to believe that they might need it.

    Sociopaths generally already have a version of game. They’ve been deceiving people all their lives, and by dating age, they’re already experts. If a sociopath doesn’t get laid, it’s due to their own unwillingness, or belief that it isn’t worth the bother, and almost any of them will tell you that.

    Sociopaths are looking for the weak and the sick as their prey…and if they noticed this site for more than a couple of minutes, would probably spend alot of time insulting people here for not being predatory enough.

    That word gets thrown around way too much…but here’s a clue for the next time: a sociopath would not announce themselves as a rabid conformist, much less blog about being one. The guy in the photo here is more likely to be a sociopath than any of the guys here, which is why my initial comment was what it was.

    A sociopath would find a woman who believes she’s ugly and unable to improve herself, more attractive as a long term partner than a woman who believes she is beautiful. The former is an easier target and more likely accomplice in whatever evil he enjoys doing.

    There are a very few who try to find someone as defective as themselves, but sociopathic women are harder to find, and one runs the risk of getting ahold of a borderline (which means drama) or narcissist along the way.

    This is not to say that a sociopath is never attracted to a beautiful or confident woman. They just only venture into that world when they have the urge to destroy something beautiful. Well, when they’re young they might anyway. They soon realize that the only ways to destroy beauty involve a good deal of sustained terror and violence. If they’re unwilling to go that far, then they fail, and slink back into the dark corners like a lion cub who tried to toy with a crocodile…and marry sea cows and chunderburds as opposed to women who are slim or fat and okay with themselves either way.

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  177. on November 28, 2008 at 7:12 pm Nicole

    Mu, fat became one of the holy cows of feminism only recently. In the past, to be fat was a very anti feminist thing. It was harder to be truly fat in the past because people’s activity levels had to be higher to survive, but it was normal to have curves in the right places.

    Super slim came into fashion because of feminist promotion of the anti female body type. Twiggy was one of the models who benefitted from this. To look like a breeder who enjoyed food and cooking was a bad thing, so women started being pressured to look slim, not just fit. It’s nice to see there’s a man out there who sees the hype-ocracy for what it is. Most guys are oblivious and think their preference for model slimness is natural, or that its promotion is because of the promotion of femininity.

    Feminists in the 60’s and 70’s wanted women to look more masculine and be more athletic because they believed that this way, men would see us as more equals. Now, they’ve flipped the script partly because more American women run bigger, and if they continued pushing slimness like they did before, they’d alienate most women.

    So it’s all propaganda. It’s kind of funny to see how the tunes have changed just in the space of 20 years.

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  178. on November 28, 2008 at 7:17 pm hello

    Nic,
    I thought that the mannishness of supermodels’ bodies was due to the prominence of gay men in fashion.

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  179. on November 28, 2008 at 7:24 pm chicnoir

    Hello,
    Clothes look better on tall thin bodies, think 90’s supermodel thin. The ultra thin runway models we see today are not attractive. Compare the bodies of Tyra and Naomi to those of Channel Iman and Jourdan Dunn and you can see how much thinner today’s models are.

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  180. on November 28, 2008 at 7:29 pm chicnoir

    Hello,

    Check out this video from a Herve Leger show from 93. All of those runway models were thin but womanly looking.

    <a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg22FqABGRI

    Tyra is the second model featured. If I had an option to change bodies with anyone, I would take Tyra’s first Naomi’s second. Karen Mulder (Jakelli) is the third model out, she is such an old school classic model and one of my all time favorites.

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  181. on November 28, 2008 at 7:56 pm hello

    They were much more beautiful than current models, but the fifth one had very manly shoulders. Tyra looked great, and she’s still going strong. Some of the current ones are so weird looking that they’ll have trouble reinventing themselves after their modeling years are done.

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  182. on November 28, 2008 at 8:49 pm Vladimir

    Nicole:

    Most guys are oblivious and think their preference for model slimness is natural, or that its promotion is because of the promotion of femininity.

    Most guys have no preference whatsoever for the anorexic model slimness. The employers and target audiences of fashion models consist overwhelmingly of other women and gay men. In contrast, girls in show business who are supposed to appeal to audiences of straight men typically have some nice curves on them, and their ribs and collar bones don’t stick out prominently.

    chicnoir:

    Clothes look better on tall thin bodies

    I don’t know who came up with this stupid idea. I wonder if it’s a popular myth, or the insanity of fashion trends has actually progressed to the point where normal women are expected to wear stuff tailored for models with starved-teenage-boy physiques. A few months ago, I had a frustrating conversation trying to talk a girl out of ruining her solidly pretty looks by anorexic dieting, where one of her main concerns was that nice clothes would supposedly fit her better if she looked like a walking skeleton.

    In reality, well tailored clothes always look better on more beautiful women, not on girls whose collar bones and ribs stick out more than their boobs.

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  183. on November 28, 2008 at 9:59 pm David Alexander

    their ribs and collar bones don’t stick out prominently

    I’ve seen a few porn stars with the exposed rib and collar bone look, and those girls may have beautiful faces but their bodies look awful, especially with poorly done breast implants.

    Remember kids, David likes petite thin girls and chubby not quite tall girls. As long as it comes with tits, ass, and acrylic nails, David’s quite happy. Heels are optional, but nice. 🙂

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  184. on November 29, 2008 at 2:13 am Nicole

    Hello, Gay men just jumped on the bandwagon because it was popular. There were Gay and suspect fashion designers long before Twiggy, but it wasn’t until the 70’s that they were allowed to promote their preference.

    Now, they’re actually seeking out models who are genetically male with AIS. Who has it, is usually kept strictly secret, but a few have come out of the intersex closet.

    I personally think there should be intersex models for the same reason I think there should be plus size and tastefully crossdressed models, but I don’t think that the AIS look should be promoted as the feminine ideal. This look is a different sort of ideal…best of both worlds, male bone structure with female flesh.

    Vladimir, perhaps outside the U.S. men don’t actually prefer anorexically thin women, but in the U.S. they most certainly do. Some just say that so their wives or girlfriends don’t start doing things that are more harmful than overeating. If given a chance though, most American men would prefer a slim woman whose ribs are all visible below the nearly horizontal breasts.

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  185. on November 29, 2008 at 12:50 pm Vladimir

    Nicole:

    Vladimir, perhaps outside the U.S. men don’t actually prefer anorexically thin women, but in the U.S. they most certainly do. Some just say that so their wives or girlfriends don’t start doing things that are more harmful than overeating. If given a chance though, most American men would prefer a slim woman whose ribs are all visible below the nearly horizontal breasts.

    And how would you know that? You’re pulling these absurd claims out of thin air just because they suit your pretentious theories. Yes, given the chance between a too thin girl and a too fat girl, men will choose the former, but it doesn’t mean that they prefer the anorexic model look to the healthy, feminine look of a truly beautiful woman with prominent breasts and curves.

    Admittedly, I haven’t spent very much time in the U.S., but I live just north of the border and I know what men here like. Also, I know very well what women in the American media who are sex symbols for masses of heterosexual men look like, and they’re not anorexic-looking by any stretch of imagination.

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  186. on November 29, 2008 at 7:04 pm Nicole

    Vladimir, I’m not sure that you understand what an anorexic person looks like then.

    The signs are often covered up when you see these women in magazines and movies, but when you’ve seen enough, you get wise. One of the things I suggest to guys who want to meet “hot” women, is to work at least part time for a modeling agency. Take up a photography hobby or something.

    When you see enough of them up close, and they’re comfortable enough with you to share some of their real everyday lives, you begin to see the differences between the fit, the naturally slim (high metabolism, high nervous activity type), and the starving.

    Anorexic people aren’t usually skeletal thin. The body and mind work together pretty well to help a person to survive, and when a person purposefully starves, they have to fight against themselves. I wouldn’t go as far as to call myself pro ana, but to me it does look to be more of a lifestyle choice for most of them, than a disease.

    …but it is a lifestyle that comes with a cost that most in the beauty industry are used to letting them pay, and helping them to make it look easy.

    http://www.edreferral.com/Celebrities_who_died_or_have_Eating_Disorders.htm

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  187. on November 30, 2008 at 7:57 pm Vladimir

    Nicole:

    Vladimir, I’m not sure that you understand what an anorexic person looks like then.

    So now you’re backtracking from the claim that men have “preference for model slimness”?

    Anorexic people aren’t usually skeletal thin. The body and mind work together pretty well to help a person to survive, and when a person purposefully starves, they have to fight against themselves.

    Basically, you’re saying that many women who look normal — neither fat nor ridiculously thin — are in fact closet anorexics who would be fat if they weren’t secretly starving themselves. That’s not what I observe in real life.

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  188. on November 30, 2008 at 9:14 pm Nicole

    Vladimir, what I’m saying is that men don’t generally prefer model slimness. *U.S.American* men generally prefer model slimness.

    …and anorexia is normal nowadays. Why do you think fad diets are fads?

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  189. on December 1, 2008 at 2:34 pm sestamibi

    Let’s get back to the subject of the thread, with a video of these two kids’ wedding night:

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  190. on December 1, 2008 at 10:14 pm Vladimir

    Nicole:

    Vladimir, what I’m saying is that men don’t generally prefer model slimness. *U.S.American* men generally prefer model slimness.

    You backtracked from that claim too. I observed that in the U.S., as well as elsewhere, prominent female sex symbols and the women who make men turn their heads most in real life do not look model-thin, and that your above claim is ridiculous on its face. You replied with another strange and unsupported claim — that many normal-looking women are in fact closet anorexics who would be fat otherwise.

    …and anorexia is normal nowadays.

    You must be hanging out with some really weird crowd. According to the U.S. National Institute of Mental Health (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-numbers-count-mental-disorders-in-america.shtml#Eating), whose people certainly have no incentive to downplay the figures, “an estimated 0.5 percent to 3.7 percent of females suffer from anorexia, and an estimated 1.1 percent to 4.2 percent suffer from bulimia.”

    In contrast, almost two thirds of U.S. adults are overweight. Or are you now going to start claiming that all these fat people are in fact “anorexic” under your definition?

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  191. on December 1, 2008 at 10:38 pm chicnoir

    Vladmir, would you list a few prominent female sex symbols and the women who make men turn their heads most in real life.

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  192. on December 2, 2008 at 1:05 am Nicole

    Vladimir says, “You backtracked from that claim too. I observed that in the U.S., as well as elsewhere, prominent female sex symbols and the women who make men turn their heads most in real life do not look model-thin, and that your above claim is ridiculous on its face.”

    Okay, name a famous sex symbol in the U.S. who is not model thin.

    Name one who is an American average size 14.

    Name one who’s a size….10.

    6?

    Jennifer Anniston, the American symbol of Ms. Normal is a size 4. She’s not really a sex symbol though…more the “girl next door”.

    Does that give you an idea of the difference between the reality of the average American woman, and what the average American man views as barely acceptable?

    Even the chick in _Fight Club_ is a self confessed anorexic.

    ” You replied with another strange and unsupported claim — that many normal-looking women are in fact closet anorexics who would be fat otherwise.”

    A woman who didn’t have a pathological fear of fat or desire not to be fat find a diet that says that bacon is okay, but a bowl of barley isn’t, plausible. Diet scams are big business in the U.S.

    It is impossible to say what percentage of people in the U.S. are actually anorexic/bulhemic by the clinical definition, yet the statistics abound. These statistics are quite simply pulled out of someone’s ass and based mostly on the people who go far enough to wind up at the doctor being treated for that specifically.

    If you want a real picture of what’s going on, build a pro ana website, and watch your hit count and locations.

    That people are supposedly fatter isn’t true. There is no obesity epidemic. The *standard* for obesity was changed, so more people fit the definition than before.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/33669.php

    What people are now is more sedentary. On the upper scale, the people who are in the overweight to obese range aren’t going to be harmed much by the new standard. Who it hurts are people in the median and lower range…for whom losing 10 pounds is a struggle because their body doesn’t have where to lose it from safely.

    Women who were okay years ago are now being classed as overweight. What constitutes “thin but not model thin” now, would have been in the range of underweight.

    I’ll tell you where there is an obesity epidemic though: Israel. One can eyeball the arena here and see that people are getting fatter. Funny that happened right about the same time a bunch of diet clinics started opening up. A couple of years later, I look around and it’s a cow farm.

    I believe that it’s because the American standard of beauty has penetrated Israeli society. If you convince a woman that she’s ugly, and there’s no point in trying because she’s not got the basic equipment for the ideal, it sets off a chain reaction of feeling underconfident, not pursuing relationships, not getting laid enough or not feeling sexual, and letting her physical appearance go in ways that she wouldn’t have before.

    Not much to be done about it but to let nature take its course and cull the herd of the cripplingly unrealistic, but the way down looks pretty sad.

    I sure hate it for them, but they do it to themselves.

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  193. on December 2, 2008 at 5:27 pm Lupo

    “Okay, name a famous sex symbol in the U.S. who is not model thin.

    Name one who is an American average size 14.”

    “Famous sex symbols in the US” are generally weird looking transsexual things. Roissy has expounded on this. I have also. The average American woman is a 5’4″ 160lb fat cow who thinks any normal sized woman who doesn’t have a bizarre relationship with ice cream is “anorexic.”

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  194. on December 2, 2008 at 5:56 pm chicnoir

    nicole, the only people I can think of are:

    size ten I can think of is the Latino actress from Greg’s anatomy

    Size six-Beyonce,America Ferrai(tp) and Jlo

    Size 14- high fashion plus sized model Crystal Renn

    A woman who didn’t have a pathological fear of fat or desire not to be fat find a diet that says that bacon is okay, but a bowl of barley isn’t, plausible. Diet scams are big business in the U.

    Major cosign with this Nicole. The diet industry comes up with a new diet every couple of years and people fall for it hook line and sinker.

    If you convince a woman that she’s ugly, and there’s no point in trying because she’s not got the basic equipment for the ideal, it sets off a chain reaction of feeling underconfident, not pursuing relationships, not getting laid enough or not feeling sexual, and letting her physical appearance go in ways that she wouldn’t have before

    I agree.

    Jennifer Anniston, the American symbol of Ms. Normal is a size 4. She’s not really a sex symbol though…more the “girl next door”.

    Really, I thought Jen was a size zero. She looks very thin on screen.

    Okay Lupo, give us your ideal.

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  195. on December 2, 2008 at 6:04 pm anony

    Nicole,
    You quoted a professor of political science on the state of obesity. Clearly he is at odds with the mountain of opinion in the medical fields. Obesity is the highest prevalent disorder in America today. Hands down.

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  196. on December 2, 2008 at 6:09 pm anony

    Nicole,
    Your statements on obesity are frankly delusional. The obese are wearing out their insulin receptors, their knees, their hips, their pancreas’. Your comments demonstrate a creeping normalization of obesity . Twenty+ year olds are accepting overweight as normal , not realizing how pathologic it is.

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  197. on December 2, 2008 at 6:20 pm Vladimir

    chicnoir, Nicole:

    To see living proof for my claims, just turn on the TV and observe the difference between typical girls who sing and dance in music videos aimed at general (i.e. largely heterosexual male) audience, and those who populate high-end fashion shows.

    If I really have to spell it out, here is an example of a female sex symbol:
    http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g62/providence2/alizee.jpg
    http://www.bircd.org/annoyances/video-editing/alizee1.jpg

    And here is an example of a supermodel-thin girl:
    http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9937/scan0004200606020535043zu.jpg
    http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/thinspocollection/Gemma%20Ward/GemmaWard33.jpg

    I hope my point is clear now.

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  198. on December 2, 2008 at 6:41 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    Vladimir, that first chick you linked to is hot. Perfect.

    That Gemma Ward chick you link to though is pretty but shaped like a 13 year old boy. Yuck. I’d hook up with her as an investment because shehas a pretty face and has room to gain weight. She could have some kids, put on a lot of weight and still have pounds to spare. But that rail thin look she has now is not the move, at least to me. I really wish gay men would not have such a prominent role in deciding supermodels, because now they all resemble 13 year old boys. There’s a reason why supermodels today will never reach the heights of the 90s heyday of Cindy Crawford, Tyra, Evangelista and Naomi Campbell. They look like they’re made to appeal to NAMBLA members.

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  199. on December 2, 2008 at 7:32 pm chicnoir

    Vladimir, Gemma Ward has a special place in the heart of Clio, please be mindful of what you write about her. You piss of Clio and by default you upset Tupac.

    I think I have it VLadimir. One is thin but normal looking while the other is ultra thin and abnormal looking. BTW, Gemma Ward is a bit heavier now because she longer does a lot of modeling. Gemma is more of an actress versus model. Some say she is good actress.

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  200. on December 2, 2008 at 7:33 pm chicnoir

    T if you think Gemma Ward is pretty, I think you will find Kinee Diouf attractive as well. The two share a similar look.

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  201. on December 3, 2008 at 4:30 am Mu'Min

    Crystal Renn can definitely get it. Mu like.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  202. on December 3, 2008 at 6:47 am Nicole

    Lupo says, “The average American woman is a 5′4″ 160lb fat cow who thinks any normal sized woman who doesn’t have a bizarre relationship with ice cream is “anorexic.””

    …but that 5’4″, 160 lbs. woman is pretty close to the truth. She is around 22% bodyfat and optimal breeding/nursing weight.

    See, you men like to call me delusional, but your statements are proof of how twisted the current standards are. You think a 5’4″ woman, fifty pounds under optimal breeding weight is going to push you out a healthy baby.

    Good luck with that. Really.

    Vladimir, both of the women you displayed are underweight, and examples of an infertile “ideal”.

    Just because one looks closer to death than the other, doesn’t make them both frail.

    Here’s a photo of a healthy girl who is sexy and not anorexic, standing next to me:
    http://kthulah.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134

    This is from when she was 18. She’s 21 now, and about the same size…a bit heavier in the hips, but that’s about it. She is however, maybe one dress size shy of the American average.

    Does she look overweight to you?

    She would never be famous in the U.S.

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  203. on December 3, 2008 at 6:48 am Nicole

    Eek…that was supposed to be “Just because one looks closer to death than the other, doesn’t make them both *not* frail.”

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  204. on December 3, 2008 at 9:01 am Tupac Chopra

    Nicole:

    I got no problem with Dana. A tad heavier than my ideal, but well within my preferences. She’s rather beautiful, what’s her ethnic background?

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  205. on December 3, 2008 at 3:57 pm Nicole

    Tupac, you now classify as a fatty f*cker. 🙂

    She’s of Jewish Moroccan and Greek ancestry.

    Nobody who looks at her thinks she’s fat, but as I said, she’s just a hair’s breadth from the American average. I don’t see the “obesity epidemic” as legitimate because in my observation, most American women I know are not fat. A relative few are fat enough to throw off the curve, myself included to some degree, but I am used to being odd for being the big girl.

    What’s even more strange to me is the claim that Black women have a particularly hard time with obesity. I just don’t see it. I come from a family of big folks, but out of my grandma’s 13, maybe…no, cause they all lost weight in their late 30’s. A few of the women were fat when they were in their “breeding” phase, but all of them lost the weight shortly after their last kid.

    Most Black women I know who aren’t actively engaged in childbearing, are slim to thick…not really fat-fat.

    I mean…try looking around and consciously deciding to ignore anyone who is truly fat. It probably won’t be that difficult because there aren’t so many.

    It’s not an epidemic. It’s an obsession. Until plus size stores that aren’t linked to regular ones stop closing after less than a year in business, I don’t think you have an epidemic.

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  206. on December 3, 2008 at 4:02 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    Does she look overweight to you?

    She would never be famous in the U.S.

    #1. She is HAWT
    #2. She would be famous, just not as a supermodel. I could see her as a sex symbol actress though. Since actresses are actually expected to appeal to men, I find they can get away with being normal sized.

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  207. on December 3, 2008 at 4:34 pm Nicole

    T, same challenge for you then. Name one current sex symbol (not fatty, mother-matriarch, or girl next door character) actress who is a size 10+. A 10 would be lighter than average, but not too anorexic, AIS, or hyperactive looking.

    Another challenge I’m curious about…Name one who’s a bodybuilder or buff fitness model type. Those are even more rare than the average sized.

    Merkan men just aren’t as sturdy and confident as they used to be, and it’s not as important to them to have a woman with strong character as it was, and so their idea of ideal femininity or even just ideal sex appeal reflects their current physical and emotional reality.

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  208. on December 3, 2008 at 4:35 pm chicnoir

    Crystal Renn can definitely get it. Mu like.

    Salaam
    Mu

    Mu, I thought of you when I added Crystal’s name to the list.

    nicole saidYou think a 5′4″ woman, fifty pounds under optimal breeding weight is going to push you out a healthy baby.

    Good luck with that. Really

    Nicole I think the reason so many women in Hollywood have trouble conceiving is because of those weird diets many of them are on. The biggest shock of all was Nicole Richie’s surprise pregnancy, who would have thought. I would have sworn she was suffering from amenorrhea.

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  209. on December 3, 2008 at 4:40 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    T, same challenge for you then. Name one current sex symbol (not fatty, mother-matriarch, or girl next door character) actress who is a size 10+. A 10 would be lighter than average, but not too anorexic, AIS, or hyperactive looking.

    Is your friend a size 10? Do you have a full body shot for reference? I don’t know how to visualize a size 10. From that pic your friend looks like J. Lo or Beyonce size to me.

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  210. on December 3, 2008 at 5:42 pm Tupac Chopra

    Nicole:
    Tupac, you now classify as a fatty f*cker.

    Don’t go getting wet in the panties just yet, toots. Moving the goal posts isn’t going to win me over to the dark side.

    She’s of Jewish Moroccan and Greek ancestry.

    By Jewish I’m guessing you mean Israeli. Makes sense. I’ve seen some stunners. All exotic, just like ‘Pac prefers.

    Moroccan…mmmm veddy nice.

    Strangely, I’ve never seen a Greek girl that got me lifted.

    I’m guessing your friend is in the entertainment industry, yes?

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  211. on December 3, 2008 at 5:45 pm Pupu

    Pupu believes there is something about the French language that, when pronounced, makes a woman’s facial expression more captivating.

    Here is a list of very beautiful women who seem, to Pupu, even more beautiful when they speak French than they do in English: Marion Cotillard, Audrey Tautou, Helene Grimaud, Kristin Scott Thomas. Pupu wonders how Alizee looks when she speaks English.

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  212. on December 3, 2008 at 6:35 pm Nicole

    Chicnoir, it actually takes severe shock to the body and mind to cause most women to stop menstruating. It’s easier to cause it from stress than just starvation, which is why many of the starving women on the documentaries and charity advertisements have babies. Sometimes they’re not their own babies, but orphans they’ve basically adopted.

    The human body is a wonder. 🙂

    Side note: So if all that wouldn’t make a woman sterile, imagine what it took for women who went across the Atlantic in slave ships to be striken sterile, some permanently, and some for 1-2 years after arrival in the Americas.

    T, I’ll look through my photos to see if I have a better shot, but my friend is a size 12-13. She sometimes shares clothes with another friend of mine with a more straight figure who is shorter but about the same girth. Neither of them are fat. Both of them exercise alot, Dana in particular.

    See, this is the difference between numbers and hype and real life. You guys assume that a 150-160 lbs. woman is a whale because you don’t know what 150 lbs. of balanced fitness as opposed to inactive flab really looks like. There are way too many 200 lbs. women running around saying that they weigh 150, and too many 130’s saying they weigh 110…and too many 110’s with the abs of an old housecat and bones as strong as your great grandma lying about eating right and exercising. So your eye is out of whack unless you actually work in fitness or are a martial artist.

    …and those who work in fitness and sports medicine keep telling people that weight is just one aspect of your overall health. It matters for people like me who have to take vitamins, watch our blood sugar almost as carefully as diabetics, and exercise to survive and not stiffen up like the tin man jonesing for oil. People who don’t have these health problems, and aren’t very fat, don’t need to measure their fitness by a standard that was tailored to measure the progress of ill people and manage athletes.

    Take up Tai Chi and go for a damned walk. Meet a chick who’s doing the same and looks good to you. No need to obsess.

    What you prefer is what you prefer. You don’t have to justify your preferences. You like them thin, cool…but that doesn’t mean that everyone who is too fat for your liking is defective.

    Tupac, she’s not a performer, but she is a designer and makeup artist. I really like her style in makeup artistry because it’s about art, not about dependency.

    Oh, and David, she’s a wonder with nails too. 😉

    …but alas, her schedule is always busy. It’s as if almost every single man in the country wants to marry her. Sometimes it even confuses them because guys here often have the western obsession with fat too. It’s kind of funny to watch them try to find something wrong with her.

    She’s even an independent thinker and loves intelligent guys. Definitely in the running to be the wife of a high status guy.

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  213. on December 3, 2008 at 9:20 pm Pupu

    Nicole: “There are way too many 200 lbs. women running around saying that they weigh 150, and too many 130’s saying they weigh 110…”

    Dear Nicole, Pupu has never met any woman who could pull that off. It is true though that people carry their weights differently, and women with well-proportioned curves are better looking than stick figures.

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  214. on December 3, 2008 at 9:33 pm finefantastic

    women run around declaring their weights?

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  215. on December 3, 2008 at 9:45 pm chicnoir

    Chicnoir, it actually takes severe shock to the body and mind to cause most women to stop menstruating
    ah okay.
    I was read about a female body builder(Lenda Murrphy) a few years ago who was four months pregnant during a major competition. She was very shocked when she miscarried.

    Apparently, Lenda had no idea she was pregnant at the time. I was thinking that maybe she was on birth control or she had amenorrhea as a result of having such low bodyfat.

    Nicole, since you mentioned fitness models Lenda Murray is perhaps one of the most feminine female body builders ever. I seriously doubt that she dabbled in any type of male hormones. Some female bodybuilders take testosterone and their voice, skin, face shape etc… become more masculine.

    <a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cW5CQuvwJ4

    I guess you can say that I am a Lenda Murray stan. Murray is sometimes called the greatest female bodybuilder ever. I sure Peter has come across her name.

    So if all that wouldn’t make a woman sterile, imagine what it took for women who went across the Atlantic in slave ships to be striken sterile, some permanently, and some for 1-2 years after arrival in the Americas
    Good point.
    I thought that once a woman picked up body fat her period would return and thus her fertitlity.

    T, I’ll look through my photos to see if I have a better shot, but my friend is a size 12-13.
    The scale is the worse. It’s always better to see a person with your own eyes. I’ve seen some size 2s who are as tall or a little shorter have more body fat and less firmness.
    You guys assume that a 150-160 lbs. woman is a whale because you don’t know what 150 lbs.
    Yup, I in this neighborhood. I weight 145 and 5’9.5
    Take up Tai Chi and go for a damned walk
    Ha I agree. The gym is a ripoff if you live a temperate enviroment and have pavements/sidewalks. As T mentioned, walking can really help to keep you slim. I try to walk as much as possible.

    You like them thin, cool…but that doesn’t mean that everyone who is too fat for your liking is defective
    major cosign
    She’s of Jewish Moroccan and Greek ancestry
    I thought she was a light skinned blk woman. The line is so thin when it comes to phenotype.

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  216. on December 3, 2008 at 9:48 pm chicnoir

    women run around declaring their weights?
    Some women do. To impress men, intimidate other women or just shooting the breeze when talking about body image weight and diets.

    * environment* **

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  217. on December 4, 2008 at 11:47 am T. AKA Ricky Raw

    I don’t like going by just numbers either because for me it has a lot to do with the shape. There are some overweight women who have a nice waist to hip ratio, actually have a decent sized waist and they have good weight distribution between the top and bottom and front and back. In the hood you sometimes see a skinny girl with rail thin arms and legs and no hips and a giant pot belly. So I learned from a young age not to pay too much attention to dress sizes. Two women can have the same dress size and look totally different. So size 10, 11, 12, I really have no idea what that specifically looks like.

    Was Anna Nicole Smith a size 10?

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  218. on December 4, 2008 at 2:00 pm mtbrooks

    Agreed – shape and proportion are everything. Numbers are meaningless.

    Isn’t Marylin Monroe always tossed out as the example of a size 10/12? Tell me who wouldn’t go for this: http://idek.net/n6

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  219. on December 5, 2008 at 12:30 am Thursday

    I finally found this apposite quote from Robert Burton’s Anatomy of Melancholy:

    Every lover admires his mistress, though she be very deformed of herself, ill-favoured, wrinkled, pimpled, pale, red, yellow, tanned, tallow-faced, have a swollen juggler’s platter face, or a thin, lean, chitty face, have clouds in her face, be crooked, dry, bald, goggle-eyed, blear-eyed, or with staring eyes, she looks like a squis’d cat, hold her head still awry, heavy, dull, hollow-eyed, black or yellow about the eyes, or squint-eyed, sparrow-mouthed, Persian hook-nosed, have a sharp fox-nose, a red nose, China flat, great nose, nare simo patuloque [snub and flat nose], a nose like a promontory, gubber-tushed, rotten teeth, black, uneven brown teeth, beetle-browed, a witch’s beard, her breath stink all over the room, her nose drop winter and summer, with a Bavarian poke under her chin, a sharp chin, lave-eared, with a long crane’s neck, which stands awry too, pendulis mammis, “her dugs like two double jugs,” or else no dugs, in that other extreme . . . a vast virago, or an ugly tit, a slug, a fat fustilugs, a truss, a long lean rawbone, a skeleton, a sneaker (si qua latent meliora puta) [think that what is not seen is better], and to thy judgment looks like a mard in a lanthorn, whom thou couldst not fancy for a world.

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  220. on December 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm Vito

    Thats a man, baby. Thats Richard Christy from the Howard Stern show. Check it out.

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  221. on December 5, 2008 at 9:40 pm chicnoir

    Was Anna Nicole Smith a size 10?

    T, she was a 14 in her guess jeans ads. She was a very pretty woman back then. Too bad drugs and Hollywood destroyed her.

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  222. on December 5, 2008 at 10:10 pm hello

    Speaking of anorexics, this British size 12 model (size 8 US) was declared too fat. Look at the woman they accepted

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-418780/The-stunning-size-12-model-branded-fat-TV-competition.html

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  223. on December 7, 2008 at 12:34 pm cjm

    shouting thomas, i am collectiong money for a legal defense fund to help the unfortunate mutants pictred above. can i put you down for $100?

    also, i have contacted the bridealo and she is very interested in spending some quality time with you. bring cheetos and a flashlight.

    as if you give two farts for anyone.

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  224. on January 19, 2009 at 10:04 pm Tood

    OMG, this is too funny.

    The bride in the first picture looks like the Cave Troll in Lord of the Ring : Fellowship of the Ring.

    I would prefer to NEVER have sex in my life than to even date (let alone marry) such a creature.

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  225. on January 19, 2009 at 10:31 pm Tood

    Picture of Cave Troll :

    The man does seem happy, though. If that is truly genuine, I am glad for him.

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  226. on January 30, 2009 at 2:33 am Tood

    Reading some of the comments on that other site, the guy is heavily religious.

    I have seen this before – a man marries a very ugly woman, yet is genuinely happy and attracted to her. Religion is that powerful, apparently.

    And ultimately, if he is happy, we should be glad for him.

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  227. on October 30, 2009 at 11:48 am Ugly People Made Me An Atheist « Roissy in DC

    […] Made in his image, indeed. I wonder if game would help these guys? […]

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  228. on October 30, 2009 at 12:21 pm Anonymous

    hilarious first comment, peter. touche!

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  229. on November 2, 2009 at 7:51 pm beebop

    just wanted to add, he isn’t even IN the army. he’s an ROTC CADET – and by the looks of it, a junior or senior. he’s technically ranked lower than a private and just above a recruit, although he’ll be an officer soon enough, and have to stand the horrified stares of his men as he kisses his wife goodbye prior to deployment. no man i know would follow him into battle after seeing what he sleeps with…ugh.

    being a former cadet myself, i can tell you that we all HATE that uniform with a passion, except for those that NEED it to feel acceptance.

    hit it right on the head, roissy. the army doesn’t need these guys, THESE GUYS NEED THE ARMY.

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  230. on November 3, 2009 at 3:01 pm Shâmtia Ayômide

    very nice, i wll translate it to my portuguese blog.

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  231. on November 4, 2009 at 1:47 am Poor Whites in South Africa « Anthropic Asian

    […] at the newly poor whites in this video – ugly omega men and dumb fat whale women. South African whites IQ’s are normally distributed just like any […]

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  232. on December 11, 2009 at 3:00 pm Troy

    It’s nice that you guys have a forum in which to feel better about yourselves by snubbing others. The couple look like they’re in love: I’m happy for them. Who cares what they look like, of all things? It’s none of my business.

    So many adults, so few grown-ups.

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  233. on January 19, 2010 at 8:38 pm Skylan

    Brilliant.. Brilliant minds commenting in there. Some of you so know what’s good for the others and the world, right ? Zeus help me to have people like you in charge, that would be hell.
    So few grown ups indeed.
    I hope this webpage stays online long so we all can bask in your beautiful humanity and elegance. Bleargh.

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  234. on January 19, 2010 at 9:07 pm ephebophile

    First off…. OUwwww my eyes!

    And secondly:

    “Pupu wonders how Alizee looks when she speaks English”

    Unfortunatly, Alizée Jacotey does not speak English. Her english TV interviews always require the use of a translator to speak and interpret for her.

    She can sing english. and much like a parrot, making the sounds doesn’t equal understanding them. She is one of the most beautiful creatures ever born on the island of Corsica.

    She is fluent in french (her native tongue) and a few other romantic languages.

    Here… enjoy a vid of hers.

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  235. on May 25, 2010 at 3:18 am Inner Beauty « Misadventures of Vincent Ignatius

    […] extra strength Viagra to get it up for.  The sweetest girl you’ve ever known would look like this.  Keep this in mind the next time you’re gaming a hot chick.  On the inside, she is a […]

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  236. on May 26, 2010 at 12:45 pm DF

    I for one am glad our American women have no self control and are eating until they explode as bigger is better in my book. In fact the two women pictured wearing the red dresses are just the right size for a wife. They have all the soft flesh a guy could want and they haven’t quite grown to their eventual full size yet. No real guy wants a skinny wife who looks like a stick insect. Those that do are either media brainwashed or secret boy lovers, lol.

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  237. on August 8, 2010 at 10:02 am Omega Male | PUA Lingo

    […] Visualizing Omega – Roissy takes a harsh look at an omega couple Grow Your Game: […]

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  238. on August 13, 2010 at 1:30 pm Litle John

    I hate the Game.

    A woman’s value is her looks
    A man’s value is how conceited he is.

    I’m out of it.

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  239. on August 14, 2010 at 12:12 am Anonymous

    The only lower life form is the pathetic person that needs to feel better by hurting others. Really? That’s the best you’ve got? Making fun of someone’s appearance? Sad. Way too much time on your hands. Time to get yourself a life…and a fricken’ heart.

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  240. on October 13, 2010 at 7:37 pm Lovekraft

    We are trying to help this man and others like him, who have been blinded to their options and decide to let their little brain enslave them for years.

    She may have certain qualities in a wife he desires, but the way he is trying to announce this travesty to the world is what deserves derision.

    Not to be seen as it cannot then be unseen.

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  241. on November 6, 2010 at 8:26 pm Manhood, Masculinity and Honor in the News 11/21/10 | Jack Donovan

    […] don’t want to know…I think he’s famously dating someone famous) is apparently an omega […]

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  242. on February 19, 2011 at 6:16 pm Jabba the Gut « Gucci Little Piggy

    […] along with a laundry list of obscene physical deformities combined to form this black swan event. (This picture used by Roissy in an old post comes close to capturing the beast I was dealing […]

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  243. on February 19, 2011 at 10:03 pm Jabba the Gut « Gucci Little Piggy

    […] torso, and a laundry list of obscene physical deformities combined to form this black swan event. (This picture used by Roissy in an old post comes close to capturing the beast I was dealing […]

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  244. on April 9, 2011 at 7:45 am rose

    EVERY ONE TALIKNG ABOUT THE BRIDE AS IF SHE IS AN ANIMAL.I THINK SHE IS BETTER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE SPEND ALL THEIR LIVES WAITING FOR A HUSBAND.
    SHE MYST HAVE SOMETHING TO ATTRACT A GUY OR SHE WOULD BE DEAD BY NOW BY EATING 4000 CALORIES A DAY EVERY DAY.
    LADY LOSE WEIGHT YOU ARE FINE.

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