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December 16, 2008 by CH

Oh, how I do love to be on the move, winging away to new people and new places and leaving the old ones far behind! Nothing in the world exhilarates me more than that. And how I despise the average citizen, who settles himself down upon one tiny spot of land with one asinine woman, to breed and stew and rot in that condition unto his life’s end. And always with the same woman! I cannot believe that any man in his senses would put up with just one female day after day and year after year. Some of them, of course, don’t. But millions pretend they do. I myself have never, absolutely never permitted an intimate relationship to last for more than twelve hours. That is the farthest limit. Even eight hours is stretching it a bit, to my mind.
– Oswald Hendryks Cornelius, The Visitor

The envious and scandalized often write in the comments here what an unhappy life the inveterate womanizer must lead, jumping from one conquest to another, refusing to embrace the putative alphaness of forgetting to put on the condom and fathering children, as if that’s a great and noble challenge. Good little doggies who play by the rules, trundling their way through arid, dull lives, boost their flagging spirits by imagining that their betters are unhappy, despite the evidence to the contrary.

soybeansYou see, the rule followers despise the rule breakers because they know what it means — if you have something to offer you can get away with breaking the rules. And they follow the rules because… they have nothing else to offer. People will negotiate with the winners on their terms; not so with the losers. They must bend to the whim of the majority.

Misconceptions about the hedonist lifestyle abound. Some are like Oswald; confirmed relationship-phobes (but not commitment-phobes. oswald was very committed to his travels and collection of spiders and walking sticks. and his love of seduction.) These types of men, incorrigible love ’em and leave ’em lotharios, while they do exist, are few in number.

Most men who are good with women enjoy falling in love and spending time with their lovers. Oftentimes, the only difference between a grand seducer’s relationship and the typical beta’s relationship is the freedom with which the former entered it. When you freely choose your partner you are more apt to cherish her.

The ideal lifestyle for the successful hedonist is a loving long term relationship, or multiple simultaneous long term relationships, spiced with the occasional fun fling or one night stand. This arrangement satisfies a man’s desires for love and variety. Naturally, within the constraints of the sexual market, compromises will be made. Most men, mediocrities in every way, will have to sacrifice the thrill of the hunt for the sake of their relationships. Or they will have to offer up their freedom and chain themselves within the corrupt institution of marriage in exchange for the love and sexual favors of their girlfriends. And it is a truism that the more power a man has — the more leverage he brings to the market — the less he has to compromise.

If you get what you want without compromising, you are an alpha. Congratulations. It is you who inherit the earth. The meek inherit your sloppy seconds.

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  1. on December 16, 2008 at 11:20 am ironrailsironweights

    The ideal lifestyle for the hedonist is a succession of women with thick, rich, luxuriant GNP’s.

    Peter

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  2. on December 16, 2008 at 11:48 am Rain And

    What’s up with soybean boy?

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  3. on December 16, 2008 at 11:50 am Marlboro Man

    If Roissy is a child of divorce, it would probably account for much of his aversion to marriage.

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  4. on December 16, 2008 at 11:52 am sa

    oh………….yeah…………oh……..yeah………

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  5. on December 16, 2008 at 11:54 am chris w

    Hairy twat is “luxuriant”? In the same way that eating lobster is luxuriant. Maybe after the wealthy start to distinguish themselves by not showering.

    Yuck. That’s why dental floss was invented.

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  6. on December 16, 2008 at 12:01 pm A Beta Hippy

    I love the character of Oswald Cornelius. I’m just finishing reading the book ‘My Uncle Oswald’ that tells of how he got his fortune so he could spend the rest of his life fulfilling his every desire. Awesome…

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  7. on December 16, 2008 at 12:24 pm The G Manifesto

    Girls always accuse me of being a commitment phobe.

    I am not.

    I am very committed: To swooping as massive amounts of fly girls.

    I also like cigarettes, spanish wine, custom suits and getting paper cuts from my Bankroll.

    – MPM

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  8. on December 16, 2008 at 12:26 pm The G Manifesto

    Also, thanks for the tip.

    Just ordered “Switch Bitch” by Roald Dahl.

    Going to Dominican soon.

    Need something to read beach side and poolside.

    – MPM

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  9. on December 16, 2008 at 12:27 pm Mu'Min

    Seems like the right time & place to post this UPDATE:

    I just received an email(s) from a Lady whom I’ll call Brown Sugar. Originally from the Midwest now living on the Eastern Seaboard, and is giving a Brotha MAD FEVER.

    I applied everything I read in The Game. No Bullsh*t.

    We were in a forum elsewhere on the Internet and I wasn’t even talking to her, but about a topic; but she took it personally, my stance on it. I suppose you could say that was a once-removed Neg.

    Anyway, I apologized to her for hurting her feelings, and several days I find that she appears in another venue on the Net that I’m known to frequent. I email asking her if she’s following me-she says that she thinks I’m brilliant. Well, she ain’t lying about that.;)

    We go back and forth, w/me coming at her with subtle Negs and Cocky Humor. Then, on the way home from the gig yesterday, she lowers the boom, and wants my expert opinion on some things.

    That leads to today, where she confesses that she’d been tracking me eversince I turned up in the former Internet forum. She said that I possessed all the things she likes in a man, *including being arrogant, cocky humor, intelligence and a streetwise edge*.

    The IOI Meter is broke at this point from pinging so loud.

    So, now, I’m debating what my next move should be. Comments and suggestions would be nice.

    But at any rate, and keep in mind, we’re still a week or so out from the Big XMas Party, and less than two weeks since I read The Game (and only a few days since I’ve read Mystery Method) already I can see that it, without any shadow of a doubt, WORKS.

    Holla

    Salaam
    Mu

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  10. on December 16, 2008 at 12:36 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    First off, now THAT’S the classic over-the-top G Manifesto comment I love.

    Second, Mu, you should consider a blog dedicated to your PUA Game journey of discovery. I think it would be especially interesting given that I think it would be the only one I know of from a urban black viewpoint.

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  11. on December 16, 2008 at 12:44 pm Carl Sagan

    Meh, half a thumb up for this entry.

    Probably because it sounds too defensive.

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  12. on December 16, 2008 at 1:00 pm jonathanjones02

    I agree that the institution of marriage has been corrupted (by no-fault divorce, the “sexual revolution,” ect), but the characterizations and sentiments of this post still lead (while fun for quite a while, granted), in the end, to emptiness.

    One man, one woman in a lifetime committment raising children has been a formula for domestic happiness for a long time across many times and environments.

    What we need is not more “alpha,” but more effort toward mutual self-sacrifice.

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  13. on December 16, 2008 at 1:05 pm Gunner

    I think there is a lot of back and forth with people saying that monogamy/womanizing are the only way to be satisfied. And that womanizers/monogamists are only the way they are because of some sort of deficit in their character.

    I think it doesn’t really matter, your brain will tell you things to make you happy. It can’t be trusted, it’s not objective. Monks and drunks and fathers and soldiers can lead satisfying lives. These repeated attempts to philosophically justify the superiority of your preferred lifestyle (whatever that might be) aren’t necessary or even sensical.

    Your brain wants you to be a certain amount of happy. There isn’t a whole lot you can do about it. If your external circumstances improve your brain will tell you that before it was just lying to you and you weren’t really happy before. But you probably won’t be a lot happier. If your external circumstances decline your brain will lie to you again. But happiness is only imagined. It exists only as experienced. It is no more real if it comes from drugs, or women, or accomplishment, or good deeds. (Some) drugs are sufficiently unreliable to be a bad idea but other than that, pick your poison and know that it is no better than the next.

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  14. on December 16, 2008 at 1:07 pm PA

    It’s difficult to write an ode to Carpe Diem that doesn’t sound like it was written by a bi-polar person having a manic episode.

    Roissy usually pulls it off, but not here.

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  15. on December 16, 2008 at 1:12 pm Affe

    Nomads hate farmers and farmers hate nomads. Yawn.

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  16. on December 16, 2008 at 1:15 pm Kick a Bitch

    compromise… there be the rub

    yaarrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

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  17. on December 16, 2008 at 1:17 pm aflaq

    where does writing dozens of blog posts defending the hedonistic lifestyle figure into the hedonistic lifestyle

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  18. on December 16, 2008 at 1:19 pm Benedict Smith

    ah, the lies betas tell themselves to console them and their tears while they dream (have nightmares) about how un-alpha they are….the most cliched are those that lie to themselves and believe it……”I like bible study with my girlfirend on Wednesday night” or “well, she said that she felt taking my last name would be archaic”…..

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  19. on December 16, 2008 at 1:19 pm Benedict Smith

    any any broad worth banging will respect a man who has restrictions, boundaries, and an unwillingness to budge.

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  20. on December 16, 2008 at 1:21 pm Benedict Smith

    to jonothanjones…..the only one sacrificing in your definition of marriage/commitment is the man: hopes, dreams, livelihood, health, emotional well-being, gratifying sex…..it all goes to shit.

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  21. on December 16, 2008 at 1:41 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    Something you guys may find interesting:

    http://thequietus.com/articles/00421-the-geeks-shall-inherit-the-earth

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  22. on December 16, 2008 at 1:51 pm JAM

    > If you get what you want without compromising, you are an alpha.

    Indeed. I find glory in Empire and Dynasty. The hedonist lifestyle has its charms (and if you can pull it off, salutamus), but it’s something that I’ve realized I can’t do forever.

    Better to eventually 1) decide what you want; 2) screen the fuck out of your suitors; 3) choose one; 4) don’t compromise; and 5) build that soaring edifice to your Will and Power.

    Per gloria ad astra et aeternitas.

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  23. on December 16, 2008 at 2:12 pm NonAbsolut

    “This arrangement satisfies a man’s desires for love and variety.”

    Yes, but what does it satisfy for a woman? What you gain via the freedom of living *your* ideal lifestyle you lose in terms of the quality of the women with whom you interact. And by quality, I mean the quality of the love given within the confines of your one (or multiple) long term relationships. The kind of woman who would be content to be committed and monogamous as one among many is not representative of even your own description elsewhere of “quality.” This woman has little self-respect and places value in fleeting and superficial sensations.

    A monogamous lifestyle is certainly not for everyone, but one should not delude himself that he can truly experience the best of both worlds. The lifelong “committed” hedonist by definition has chosen to compromise.

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  24. on December 16, 2008 at 2:21 pm say it ain't so

    Second, Mu, you should consider a blog dedicated to your PUA Game journey of discovery. I think it would be especially interesting given that I think it would be the only one I know of from a urban black viewpoint.

    I second that.

    And agnostic is still a virgin.

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  25. on December 16, 2008 at 2:21 pm Wonka

    You sound like a goddamn Christian with all that “People hate me because I’m awesome” bullshit.

    You seem not to realize what a contradiction you are. While you claim to be a godless person who functions an an amoral premise, you constantly pride yourself on breaking rules. I happen to believe the rules don’t exist, and you’re no bad boy for breaking pretend ones set by whining Christians who hate everything about life except their ability to feel better about themselves by annoying everyone with their self-absorbed pap (a quality you share with them, actually).

    I’m reminded of a group of self-proclaimed pagans I once met who relished telling me about how badly they’d be punished by God for their rebellious beliefs. Just like them, you clearly want some mythical, magic parent to come down and scold you for your behavior.

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  26. on December 16, 2008 at 2:23 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    One problem I have with mocking the square lifestyle and the people who follow it as opposed to the unrepentant hedonistic lifestyle is that it ignores the free rider problem.

    Here’s an example, take the gym membership. I may deride the people who don’t go to the gym and let themselves get flabby and show no commitment to working out, but the truth is, as a gym lover I owe them an immeasurable debt. Gym memberships cost so little precisely because so many people join and pay for memberships and don’t go. They basically subsidize the memberships of those of us who do go. If everyone who joined a gym actually went, there’d be a serious drain on resources, equipment and space, meaning the gyms would have to spend significantly more on these things and the price of gym memberships would go up astronomically. As a gym member who actually goes regularly, I am basically a free rider benefitting from the expenditures of others.

    Hedonism is the same. It needs a society of tax-paying, hardworking and rule-following squares to work to maximum benefit. Any society where the hedonists outnumber the squares is en route to a collapse, the drain on resources and the collective psychic damage such a society suffers become a problem. Look at the fallout from the Weimar Republic or the fall of Rome for examples.

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  27. on December 16, 2008 at 2:41 pm Jack Goes Forth

    beautiful post. I needed this inspiration today.

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  28. on December 16, 2008 at 2:42 pm NonAbsolut

    T.–

    Actually, the scenario proposed in the post wouldn’t really fall into the “free rider” category. Presumably, Roissy would not be financially supporting these women, so they would each have jobs and be independent, tax-paying citizens. By not having children, there would be less of a drain on resources up until the point where this lifestyle would surpass a point that there wouldn’t be a sufficiently large “future generation” to support the aging workforce. However, given that those who “play by the rules” are generally quite fertile, especially in the fly over states, I doubt that that would be a problem.

    N.

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  29. on December 16, 2008 at 2:46 pm Paul

    Interesting post. This was the subject of my video blog yesterday. It was as if your post was in response to my blog entry.

    My philosophy is more of the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way). If the PUA lifestyle works for you, that is great. You are a talented writer and a man should always follow his passion.

    However, you write in a much too intelligent manner for your Alphaness. As per your own quiz, a man loses precious Alpha points if he is too intelligent. And as a good PUA, you must always tailor your behavior to win the approval of women. Maybe dumbing down your writing would help ascend you to even a higher Alphaness?

    “We’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.” – Tyler Durden, Fight Club

    Maybe the key to real Alphaness is to be successful and be true to ourselves without desperately trying to gain the emotional or sexual approval of women.

    But that is just crazy talk. It is probably best that we that we change how we talk, dress, stand, walk, cut our hair, drink and eat in order to please a woman. But I must admit that it is sometimes tempting to say fuck it and just live for ourselves.

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  30. on December 16, 2008 at 2:55 pm MQ

    LOL. If you really love a woman, you surrender some power to her. THere’s no avoiding it. Since women scare the shit out of Roissy, he’s constantly struggling with this fundamental equation — will he have to be alone as the price of avoiding falling into the castrating feminine clutches? Here, he loudly reassures himself about his ability to avoid this milennia-old male conundrum. If he claims it on the internet it must be true!

    BTW, I do think it’s possible to have a good LTR with a woman you really care for and also get a bit on the side if you like. But you better believe she’ll still have some power over you. There are women who choose not to exercise that power by trying to restrict you sexually, but they still want to be catered to in their way. Everyone does, we’ve all got needs.

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  31. on December 16, 2008 at 3:01 pm Simon

    Nietzsche’s Ubermensch vs. the Last Man. I once told my girlfriend that she could never understand the pleasure of putting one’s boot on the neck of one’s defeated enemy and trumpeting the joy of victory. Those few who live fully never submit to the rules for the sodden many. Sorry, that’s just the way life is.

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  32. on December 16, 2008 at 3:01 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    NonAbsolute, the HEDONIST is the free rider in my example, not the women the hedonist is banging. For example all the tools that make hedonism more convenient from cheap airfare, cheap internet connections, etc. are made possible by the sacrifices of hardworking squares. The relative safety and liesure time we have to pursue hedonism is largely possible due to the sacrifices of the hardworking squares. Who pays most of the taxes? The middle class. Who is responsible for most of the innovations that allow us to complete tasks faster, make our lives more convenient and allow us more leisure time to pursue hedonism? Squares.

    Here’s an example, doing laundry before the invention of modern washing machines took a whole day. With technology, it can be done within an hour. Growing food was also a time-consuming task in an old-school agrarian society that occupied much of one’s waking life. Fast forward several hundred years and I can fulfill my food needs for the month in one trip to Costco, allowing more time to pursue hedonism. It’s squares and the sacrifices they make that are responsible for these innovations and this increase in living conditions, and hedonists are able to reap the benefits. Most of the taxes collected in society are from squares in the middle class, not from the sporadically working and often-vacationing hedonist.

    Also, one of the appeals of the hedonist is that he offers the opportunity to escape from conformity, he benefits from the contrast he offers from the square life. Without a square society to offer escape from, the hedonist loses a lot of his appeal. Being a hedonist in a society full of hedonists is nowhere near as powerful.

    The worst thing for a hedonist would be a society of widespread hedonism.

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  33. on December 16, 2008 at 3:07 pm jonathanjones02

    T: very good points on the societal need for squares (great blog too, although I like the Dark Knight).

    B. Smith:

    “to jonothanjones…..the only one sacrificing in your definition of marriage/commitment is the man: hopes, dreams, livelihood, health, emotional well-being, gratifying sex…..it all goes to shit.”

    Again, your characterization has a lot of truth since the “sexual revolution” and the rise of feminism. But when you find a woman who is willing to put you first, as you put her first, and you raise children together and stay together, that is a very powerful force for personal fulfillment, and it’s the best thing for society as a whole, by far.

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  34. on December 16, 2008 at 3:07 pm PA

    The scenario proposed in this post presumes that the hedonists’ appetites will remain on the level of vanilla sex.

    In “Elementary Particles” Houellebecq has a nice rant about how the hippie revolution starts with the flower children and leads to serial killers.

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  35. on December 16, 2008 at 3:13 pm MQ

    PA: Yeah, Nicole once made a nice comment about how no one who didn’t harm others was a true hedonist, since sadism and abuse of others is extremely pleasurable.

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  36. on December 16, 2008 at 3:23 pm Lance

    @ T

    it all depends on how you define the hedonist and how you define the alpha male. society moves forward powered by an engine that runs on tension. it requires visionaries who can blaze a path, but then it also needs hard-workers who can can pave that path into an actual road. it’s easy to imagine that a society of all chiefs and no indians, or all foreman and no workers would never work.

    it is, however, also possible to imagine a society of enlightened alphas who lived their own lives most of the time, but cooperated on projects when necessary. this is, of course, a utopic vision, but what we have in contemporary america is closer to it than what existed in medieval europe or the ante-bellum south. there’s no reason to believe that people cannot free themselves from the constrictive elements of society and pursuing their own individual wants, while, at the same time, continuing to live together and work together when appropriate.

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  37. on December 16, 2008 at 3:28 pm PA

    Exactly. Like it’s soooooo hedonistic to penetrate a mildly drunk, consenting 24-year-old chick with a condom up the wrong hole, in your clean apartment and then pay for her cab, and then doing the same to another girl the next week. Weak!

    What a bunch of rule-breakers we have here!

    What’s hedonistic is pulling up with your three friends in a van to some random cutie on the street, grabbing and blindfolding her, driving off with her to the woods, followed by four hours of gangbanging and fist pummeling, and then dropping her off at night in a slum. Now that’s living to break the rules!

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  38. on December 16, 2008 at 3:28 pm hello

    Roissy is definitely a child of divorce.

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  39. on December 16, 2008 at 3:29 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    I inherently distrust utopic visions. They’re great for thought exercises, but that’s about it.

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  40. on December 16, 2008 at 3:30 pm Mu'Min

    T-Raw,
    Thanks for the kudos and idea. But I have many miles to go before I Blog, LOL. Besides, I don’t event have a cool “seduction name” and I can’t think of anything. Any ideas?

    Salaam
    Mu

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  41. on December 16, 2008 at 3:32 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    How about Moe Betta?

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  42. on December 16, 2008 at 3:37 pm Lance

    @ T

    i agree, but at the same time if you replace revolutionary utopian ideals with gradual evolutionary change towards a desirable model, then i think you have a very good model of what we have today.

    most societies throughout history have existed as an elite of alphas exercising control over a population of complicent betas and subjugated omegas. the will of the pharaoh/king/lord of the manor was the entire society’s reason for being. today, in the developed world, we have societies that allow a significant portion of people to live their lives on their own terms. it’s not unlikely that we will continue moving in that direction.

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  43. on December 16, 2008 at 3:42 pm Lia Love

    In the end of the short story, The Visitor, by Roald Dahl the character of Oswald Cornelius contracts leprosy from his encounter with the daughter of his host who he believes at the time to be the wife of his host. It’s Dahl killing of his most vainglorious character.

    Nice quote, though. I guess.

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  44. on December 16, 2008 at 3:43 pm anony

    The only real-life hedonists I see reside in the welfare class, and the high-income-stay-at-home-moms.

    The welfare class can indulge in sleep, eating, partying, and sex, whenever they choose, with no accounting for their choices.

    The high-income-stay-at-home-moms can golf, lunch, travel whenever and wherever they choose, with no accounting for their choices.

    The rest of us work to please our customers, and get sued for our choices.

    Oswald Hendryks Cornelius was a fictional character.

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  45. on December 16, 2008 at 3:46 pm Mu'Min

    @ T-Raw,
    LOL! That sounds like a female comedianne’s name than a (budding) PUA. But its a start. Anyone else have any ideas? Sometimes these kind of things are best handled by people outside of oneself, since they can be a bit more objective about one’s persona, etc.

    Oh, and T-Brown Sugar came at a Brotha HARD on the Sex Talk tip. I can’t repeat it here, but…hmm.

    So I’m still thinking as to how to handle this; if Roissy’s reading along, or if anyone else wishes to: Please Advise…

    Salaam
    Mu

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  46. on December 16, 2008 at 4:01 pm Mu'Min

    What I mean by “Please Advise” is this: I know, for a fact, that I could smash the thang like an Idaho Potato right now. BUT, I don’t want to miss any steps in this thing, Man. I’m trying to run it by the book, both in virtual and real time, which will be real soon. The Seven Hour Rule holds that it takes an average of 7 hours of rapport building and the like from First Contact to doing the Nasty. So I don’t want Fool’s Mate at all, I’m trying to develop ultra-tight Inner & Outer Game. And yea, I aint gonna even front, I don’t want a One Night Stand. I’ve always been partial to repeat business.;)

    So, I’m thinking of a Go-Slow strategy here, while I go through all the steps. This is what Morris recommends, anyway.

    Besides, such a scenario can be helpful to me in upcoming operations, as I build my Cred. It can definitely move other HBs to action. I’m big on Social Proof, especially the kind that comes from other Ladies. In fact, Brown Sugar can help me rope in Ms. Hoity Toity whom I mentioned recently.

    Plus, as I’m reverse engineering myself using Mystery’ Method and Game in general in a more formal sense, I’m finding that one of my natural strengths is the ability to be a kind of magnet, “pulling” them to me, instead of the other way around. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m still gonna develop strong Game on Both Sides-but being able to Pull Females to yourself serves many purposes, too. DHV is one, SP is another. And its clear indications of IOI all day, no false reads.

    So yea, just some ideas. Anyway, anyone got any cools seduction names, or any other comments, Holla.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  47. on December 16, 2008 at 4:05 pm Chic Noir

    The ideal lifestyle for the successful hedonist is a loving long term relationship, or multiple simultaneous long term relationships, spiced with the occasional fun fling or one night stand

    I hope the successful hedonist is honest with his girlfriend as well as the fling from the jump, not leading either woman on. Otherwise, I would call the successful hedonist a selfish jerk.

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  48. on December 16, 2008 at 4:34 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I have to laugh at all the ladies on this comment thread guessing that Roissy is a child of divorce…because he’s “bitter” or “scared” of commitment/marriage.

    Um ladies, divorce in this country is epidemic. We ALL know of men who are screwed over in divorce court. Families, friends and acquaintances…the examples of how women can and often do screw their husbands over with the help of the system is a common occurrence in this day and age.

    One need not come from a broken home to see just how corrupted the institution of marriage has become in this country.

    Men don’t fear commitment. Men fear the outcome of committing to a woman that can drag him into divorce/family court hell.

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  49. on December 16, 2008 at 4:36 pm David Alexander

    One problem I have with mocking the square lifestyle and the people who follow it as opposed to the unrepentant hedonistic lifestyle is that it ignores the free rider problem.

    As my Russian friend once jokingly pointed out, somebody has to marry the single mom too.

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  50. on December 16, 2008 at 5:22 pm MA

    Maybe it’ll be you, if you’re not dead by then.

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  51. on December 16, 2008 at 5:42 pm ironrailsironweights

    Dinner’s ready!

    Peter

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  52. on December 16, 2008 at 6:00 pm ironrailsironweights

    Moving away from GNP’s for the time being, here is a story which may be amusing to the readers of this site.

    Peter

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  53. on December 16, 2008 at 7:08 pm Keith

    Here’s the deal: Womanizing, monogamy, whatever. If you’re happy, great.

    But happy satisfied people don’t feel a need to dehumanize and demean total strangers. Happy people sure as hell don’t feel a need to insist that people living their lives differently MUST be unhappy.

    So Roissy ain’t a happy guy. Whatever he does, it don’t work for him. There may be plenty of happy PUAers out there, but the ones here are trapped in some weird obsessive self-hatred.

    Frankly, you all are former “nice guys” who were all whiny and shit and thought “she won’t date me because I’m a nice guy.” Really, she didn’t date you because you were a whiny douchebag who was only being nice in order to get pussy. Now you’ve gone from being a whiny douchebag to a manipulative douchebag who can get some pussy from some skanks, and you hate women for not loving you back when you were a whiny douchebag.

    Newsflash: You sucked then and you suck now.

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  54. on December 16, 2008 at 7:13 pm Jasmine

    Didn’t Uncle Oswald get leprosy in the end?

    I was unsure about this blog at first, but anyone who quotes Roald Dahl’s adult fiction is OK in my book.

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  55. on December 16, 2008 at 7:37 pm Chic Noir

    Jasmine

    This is a pickup artist site. I’m so happy to see another woman here.

    Peter, some women have Agnostic fever too.

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  56. on December 16, 2008 at 7:53 pm PA

    Does Peter never visit GNXP because he thinks that the “X” stands for “shaved”?

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  57. on December 16, 2008 at 8:40 pm Brandy

    sweet synchronicity

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  58. on December 16, 2008 at 9:29 pm ATC

    Earlier this week, Roissy said soft polygamy was the norm in coastal cities.

    Now, he’s claiming to be a glorious rule-breaker.

    This guy needs to find a script and stick to it. Incoherence is the number one symptom of a person whose actions don’t match his words.

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  59. on December 16, 2008 at 9:44 pm hello

    @ PA and T:
    You all have talked about game being necessary in marriage, but could you flesh that out? Specifically, you’re in your thirties now but as your wives age will you trade them in or cheat? I’m assuming for the sake of argument that you’re monogamous now.

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  60. on December 16, 2008 at 9:56 pm Chic Noir

    Good question hello

    *muches popcorn while waiting for PA and T’s response*

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  61. on December 16, 2008 at 10:06 pm Wtf, Ducks?

    “However, you write in a much too intelligent manner for your Alphaness. As per your own quiz, a man loses precious Alpha points if he is too intelligent. And as a good PUA, you must always tailor your behavior to win the approval of women. Maybe dumbing down your writing would help ascend you to even a higher Alphaness?”–Paul

    Paul makes an incisive point here. How does one constrain intelligence so as to not overwhelm the more mundane aspects of game?

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  62. on December 16, 2008 at 10:07 pm hello

    “Men don’t fear commitment. Men fear the outcome of committing to a woman that can drag him into divorce/family court hell.”

    And? Women can get screwed in marriage too. I won’t argue with you that divorce needs to be reformed and that family courts are anti-male but despite canards about women being fragile flowers men seem to be far less resilient in affairs of the heart (although they do fine in affairs of the cock). Women seem to recover from heartbreak faster and better where as even one genuine heartbreak can be a warping experience for a man. I was truly astonished when I realized how under all the bluffing how exquisitely sensitive men are.

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  63. on December 16, 2008 at 10:22 pm Chic Noir

    canards about women being fragile flowers men seem to be far less resilient in affairs of the heart
    All it takes for a man to hate all women is just one woman to break his heart. Roosh became the freak that he is because one girl brooke his heart. Men have no idea how often so women have their hearts brooken yet most of us don’t become Aileen Wuornos.

    (although they do fine in affairs of the cock)
    On their side only, there are too many unsatified and sexually fustrated women roaming the world.

    Women seem to recover from heartbreak faster and better where as even one genuine heartbreak can be a warping experience for a man.
    I2I hello we are I2I

    I was truly astonished when I realized how under all the bluffing how exquisitely sensitive men are
    Very very true. That’s why I don’t ride men when they feel the need to express their feelings unless they behave like two year old crybabies. Sometimes I think some of the rage and random fits of violence we see displayed by American men are a result of suppressed feelings (hurt). I’ve also noticed that men confide more of their deeper feelings to women. I think this may be partially where the idea of a wife as a “helpmate” comes from.
    Some of the emotional differences between men and women, I was able to distinguish as a child during my tomboy period.

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  64. on December 16, 2008 at 10:38 pm hello

    “On their side only, there are too many unsatified and sexually fustrated women roaming the world.”

    Cosign

    “That’s why I don’t ride men when they feel the need to express their feelings unless they behave like two year old crybabies.”

    That’s why I got mad when the guys ragged on that dude for falling asleep on his woman’s shoulder. If they ever found a woman with a good heart whom they could let down their guard with they’d be ecstatic. The truth is that upon looking at that photo they were madly jealous.

    “I’ve also noticed that men confide more of their deeper feelings to women. I think this may be partially where the idea of a wife as a “helpmate” comes from.”

    Most straight men aren’t good at processing their emotions and they need women to help them with that. That’s what gets you a husband, not tits and ass although those do indeed help.

    “Some of the emotional differences between men and women, I was able to distinguish as a child during my tomboy period.”

    I am intellectually tough and masculine yet exaggeratedly feminine in my personal and emotional life.

    It’s a fun life.

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  65. on December 16, 2008 at 10:39 pm NonAbsolut

    Ducks–

    “Paul makes an incisive point here. How does one constrain intelligence so as to not overwhelm the more mundane aspects of game?”
    ————————–

    Consider the locations in which the “mundane” aspects of the game come to the forefront…noisy bars, clubs, parties, etc. Given the volume of music, amount of alcohol, and bustling crowds, it’s highly unlikely that any “PUA” would run the risk of coming across as “too intelligent.” In such settings, there is a premium on non-verbal communication, and since it is difficult to carry on anything approximating a nuanced intellectual discussion, any verbal communication is streamlined and designed to elicit sexual attraction in conjunction with mannerisms, etc.

    Also, even once a “relationship” progresses beyond the first encounter, the level of the woman’s intellect is generally what drives the style of interaction. The only time the man’s intelligence could potentially get in his own way is if he’s dealing with someone at or close to his own level. In this case, he needs to walk the fine line between keeping her intellectually stimulated but not so much that she’s distracted from the prospect of less intellectual forms of stimulation.

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  66. on December 16, 2008 at 10:41 pm Chic Noir

    Paul makes an incisive point here. How does one constrain intelligence so as to not overwhelm the more mundane aspects of game?

    I’m only a young woman who is afraid of peen but enjoys tongue. I don’t know much but here is my suggestion. I would say don’t ask a woman what her iq or SAT score was on the first night you meet her. You may also want to avoid asking if she or any of her relatives are members of Mensa as well as asking if any of her family members are Ivy League graduates. Stay far far far away from those Agnostic & GNXP style graphs and scientific lingo unless you can/ are willing to break them down in a way that a layperson can understand.

    Intelligent men feel the need to show off or peacock for women. it can be a turnoff for many women you may make her feel inferior. You will also monopolize the conversation, if she is a talker and she can’t get a word in, she will start to mentally distance herself from you. If she interrupts as your making a point, it’s okay to let her sometimes. Women like it when men act as if they care about what we have to say. It’s the reason some of those SWPL type men get laid a lot. For the spectrum crowd, it can be difficult at times to listen to other people since we have a tendency to be in our own world.

    If you want to find out if she is an academic or reader, tell her your mom loves to read but your not sure what type of book to buy her for Christmas. Then ask if she has any suggestions. IF she has some, ask her if she read the books personally or did she hear about them through word of mouth. If she answers that she read the books she mentioned, your next question should be, what type of books, authors etc… does he prefer to read. From there you can wing it.

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  67. on December 16, 2008 at 10:45 pm hello

    “For the spectrum crowd, it can be difficult at times to listen to other people since we have a tendency to be in our own world.”

    You’re spectrum? As in Aspie?

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  68. on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 pm Chic Noir

    Hello That’s why I got mad when the guys ragged on that dude for falling asleep on his woman’s shoulder. If they ever found a woman with a good heart whom they could let down their guard with they’d be ecstatic. The truth is that upon looking at that photo they were madly jealous

    I cosign with you here as well. I think the reason some men want to sleep with their friends girlfriends is because they are jealous:

    1. The firend has a good woman.
    2. The new girlfriend may put an end to their relationship.

    That hoes before bros stuff is pure bullshit. If your best friend sleeps with your girlfriend, he is not a true friend. It’s not always a “slutty” girlfriend who makes the first move. Why would your best friend break up your relationship with someone you professed to love ??? How selfish is he???

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  69. on December 16, 2008 at 10:49 pm Chic Noir

    You’re spectrum? As in Aspie?

    Just a tad but my brother is full on.

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  70. on December 16, 2008 at 10:56 pm dj

    Roissy, have you heard about valve vasectomies? I.e., you just (magnetically with keyword) press the switch, and you’re all clear to blow out fertility? I’d provide a link except it would require a tiny bit of work and com on, anyone who can’t google that doesn’t deserve to live, or at least comment, much lest blog here.

    They’re in trials but I gather wider availability ones. Since I’ve been mentally inventing this for 10-15 years, I look periodically.

    You might have to open the valve occasionally (and wear a condom) but mostly not, to maintain your really effective wrigglers. No knowledge, and I think no existing out there knowledge, as to whether less vigorous swimmers from being cut off too long, also mean more genetic defects/less optimal. I’d lean in that direction, without certaintly.

    Effective and non demasculating birth control would be an enormous plus for high income player men, and even sometimes player men. I wouldn’t even be surprised if some feminist groups didn’t try to outlaw it under some excuse or another, though I don’t think they’d win on this — too outside the current feminist rationals.

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  71. on December 16, 2008 at 10:57 pm Chic Noir

    You’re spectrum? As in Aspie?
    lol @ your response.

    Just a tad but one of my brothers is full on.

    It’s shocking right?

    Sometimes people tease me for being a bit antisocial and a loner but I really enjoy being by myself. I put a real effort into being social.

    Men have a hard time reading me because they think I’m a Harlem S&TC because of the way that I look(not bragging). I’ve been accused of being a player because I almost always prefer a text message in place of a phone call.

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  72. on December 16, 2008 at 10:59 pm Chic Noir

    Dj- the chics at Jezabell welcome male birthcontrol. I do as well but I will always use my own form of protection.

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  73. on December 16, 2008 at 11:07 pm hello

    “they think I’m a Harlem S&TC”

    What’s that?

    “Dj- the chics at Jezabell welcome male birthcontrol. I do as well but I will always use my own form of protection.”

    Absolutely, I have so much more to lose in the event of an actual pregnancy I’d never trust my uterus to a man unless we were actually trying for a baby.

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  74. on December 16, 2008 at 11:20 pm Wtf, Ducks?

    “In such settings, there is a premium on non-verbal communication, and since it is difficult to carry on anything approximating a nuanced intellectual discussion, any verbal communication is streamlined and designed to elicit sexual attraction in conjunction with mannerisms, etc.”–NonAbsolut

    Very True. But even where verbal communication is minimal, is the risk still present of being unconsciously thwarted by one’s erudition? Dave Attell humorously demonstrated why, for instance, watching Discovery Channel would not aid in attracting women because it fills your head with odd facts that come out like a Tourette’s Syndrome. Likewise, could off-the-cuff conversation hinder the academically inclined who tend to think in such a way?

    “You will also monopolize the conversation, if she is a talker and she can’t get a word in, she will start to mentally distance herself from you.”–Chic Noir

    To not do so may lead to reductio ad beta or other treacherous ground. Your solutions are otherwise sound.

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  75. on December 17, 2008 at 12:11 am jaakkeli

    But even where verbal communication is minimal, is the risk still present of being unconsciously thwarted by one’s erudition?

    Only by one’s assholyness. Lots of smart people have the mistaken belief that people will like them more if they show off how smart they are. Getting someone to like you is only rarely about how you make other people feel about you and almost always only about how you make the other person feel about him/herself. Winning arguments makes *you* feel good but the other side feels bad. Lots of smart people are stuck in perpetual arguing mode because they’re good at it and have become used to getting an ego boost through arguing.

    Women are much better at this. You very often see women pretending to not know something to steal a popular man’s attention. He gets to feel good when he gets to impress a girl with his smarts or abilities, she gets the attention. It works the other way, too, but few men are wily enough to lure women in that way.

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  76. on December 17, 2008 at 12:11 am Mu'Min

    Chic, Kitty,
    I just wanted to chime in with a few thoughts.

    I think the point that Roissy’s trying to make, at least a point that I take away from his photo of the couple, is that there is something to be said for behavior in the public square, and behavior in private. We all know that Pillow Talk and the like goes on btw couples, and that often, a Man’s closet advisor is his Woman. Nothing new there.

    But I think there is something to be said for the context within which all this occurs. I know for myself that I wouldn’t like to see my parents looking like that in a public place. Call me a throwback relic to a begotten era if you like, but you just would not have seen my dad or granddad or myself, doing something like that. Our Women would have been asleep, but not us.

    Without a doubt, there are A LOT of seriously sexually frustrated Women out there. Thank God they don’t have as much testosterone as we Men do, or they’d be all kinds of bombs goin off, people getting shot up, you name it, LOL! And I think a major reason for that frustration is because of the massive social changes that came down the pike beginning with the Gen Xers, of which I’m a member. We grew up in the stew of PC and an all out assault on anything Male to the point that, as has been mentioned elsewhere, there aren’t any venues where Boys can learn to become Men and to learn about a very important part of their lives, Women, Sex, and of course, Love. Consider just how different all of the “male” institutions are now: Fatherhood, Boy Scouts, the Military, even to a huge extent, College. These were the primary places where Boys become Men.

    Having said that, Women play a huge role in Socializing Men, helping them to transcend their baser natures and to sublimate them into productive outlets. And who can deny the good influence and effect Women have on their environment? Even wrt Game itself, this is true, Strauss/Style says as much when certain Women come to “Project Hollywood”. And Game is really a system of teaching Men how to socialize with Women in our Time now. I think all the Ladies here would agree, that a Man with few or no social skills isn’t a Man any of you would really want to be bothered with, yes?

    Norah Vincent, in her excellent book Self Made Man, went to som length to discuss just how hard it is for Men to suppress, over the course of a lifetime really, their emotions. It was this aspect of her “assignment” that she felt the most troubling, and she had a hard time “coming down” from it all after she had finished. It gave her a newfound appreciation of a Man’s Life.

    One final point. Chich had posed a question to PA and T about how Game could help a Marriage. I’d like to take a crack at the apple, if I may.

    I see Game as a complex of of things-social skills, art of seduction male to female, and for lack of a better way of putting it, “Manliness” training-ALL OF WHICH are vital to keeping a LTR/Marriage vibrant and alive. As many of you know I’ve been studying Game quite a bit, and one of the things I’ve been doing is interviewing Women, many married, and God, their hubbies are basically saying “some smooth talker come and swipe my wife from me, please!”. Its scary.

    And the thing about it is, the more I really dig on Game, the more I see how SO MANY MEN don’t have it AT ALL. It really is a wonder how guys like the one in the pic get hooked up at all in light of that. Like I was saying before, even in the Porn videos, the Mens’ seduction skills suck! And I for one come away from the whole thing feeling sorry for the gals. Deep.

    Btw, I think I’ve discovered at least one of the reasons why “Taboo” was and is, nearly thirty years after its release, considered one of the all-time best Porn movies ever made-it was because of the Seduction element. Very well done, and something today’s Porn could very well learn from.

    OK, that’s it. Holla

    Salaam
    Mu

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  77. on December 17, 2008 at 12:51 am NonAbsolut

    Duck–

    “Likewise, could off-the-cuff conversation hinder the academically inclined who tend to think in such a way?”

    It all depends how it’s done and in what context. There are plenty of women who are attracted to confident yet “nerdy” (not in the socially inept sort of way) men who are able to keep the conversation interesting and from whom they can learn things. All of the men that I date are experts in some field. Those who are the “best” at social interactions will pick tidbits of information to share that are field-specific yet relate to broader aspects of society. This opens the door for fluidity of conversation. Erudition is hot, and I personally like a man from whom I can learn. Naturally, there is always too much of a good thing, and it all comes down to the man’s ability to gauge the situation.
    ————————

    jaakkeli–

    “Winning arguments makes *you* feel good but the other side feels bad.”

    This is certainly true if the “argument” is carried out in some sort of belligerent and confrontational manner. However, don’t underestimate the sex appeal of a man with greater knowledge/experience of a certain topic–sometimes it can be hot to “lose” the argument. Even if you don’t admit that you lost.

    *Caveat: for this dynamic to work, the man should be a minimum of 10 years older (and the woman not over 30.) The confidence must be buttressed by experience, otherwise all you’ve got is some young cocky asshole with nothing to back it up but “game.”

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  78. on December 17, 2008 at 1:10 am mnl

    This is a well-articulated post. But the hedonistic lifestyle isn’t the globally optimum one. It’s merely the right response given the present circumstances faced by the male gender.

    T. Ricky Raw’s response describing the free-rider problem is part of the clue. In addition, one only need look beyond the myopic and consider the generational impact. The trouble with “multiple simultaneous long term relationships” is that it’s likely to lead to ever more young males raised by single-parent (i.e., female) households. Attempts to feebly argue the contrary all overlook the facts: such children are more likely to suffer from greater insecurities, deficiencies in trust, worry, and difficulties in communication—i.e., they’re more likely to become beta. The hedonist may be spreading more seed, but fewer of his seeds (and fewer seeds of his seed) will live to perpetuate the hedonist’s alpha lifestyle.

    The hedonist lifestyle is simply the right (short-term) response in the face of society’s current (and confused) gender roles. Roissy’s hedonism rejects the beta hegemony inadvertently established by attempts to paper over very distinct male-female strengths, abilities, passions, and identities. The reason the alpha-male is successful is because he sees through mass media’s message of his emasculation. Today’s alpha male is an attempt to recover yesterday’s real man.

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  79. on December 17, 2008 at 1:45 am Wtf, Ducks?

    “such children are more likely to suffer from greater insecurities, deficiencies in trust, worry, and difficulties in communication—i.e., they’re more likely to become beta. The hedonist may be spreading more seed, but fewer of his seeds (and fewer seeds of his seed) will live to perpetuate the hedonist’s alpha lifestyle.”–mnl

    In the hedonist ethos, whether or not the seeds become beta must be of no consequence. Further, assuming that the best path of the hedonist is to opt out of having children entirely then a multitude of deleterious consequences will follow. The roots of the current economic crisis stem from nations not having enough youth on which the older generations can bequeath their accumulated capital in a salutary cycle. Should unadulterated hedonism wax in practice, the lack of a new generation will undo the old.

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  80. on December 17, 2008 at 1:58 am Michael Blowhard

    I dunno about the “men suppressing their feelings” and “men having trouble with their feelings” stuff … I used to buy it more than I do now. Now I think it’s women’s way of trying to make sense of guys in women’s terms. Women are imagining that guys have a “feelings” life akin to women’s. I just don’t think they/we do. In my own case, I tend to spend the day bouncing around between irritability, arousal, boredom, exitement, mild interest, vagueness … Shades of gray on a spectrum ranging from blah to aroused.

    If I have one or two fullblown “female”-style emotions per month, that’s a lot, and it’s also a lot for my system to handle. Where my wife, for instance, takes energy from her never-ending multicolored ever-morphing emotional nature, emotions of that kind flatten me. I have to go into a dark room to recover from them. That’s not “having trouble with my emotions,” that’s simply not being a creature of emotions.

    Part of what women can do for guys isn’t so much helping them with their emotions specifically, it’s opening up the emotional realm more generally. Women seem to be naturally tuned into a frequency that’s often hard for guys to dial into. We know it’s out there somewhere, but we often can’t find it on our own. When a woman — via insight, sympathy, whatever — helps us tune into that dimension, life generally is much enriched.

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  81. on December 17, 2008 at 3:45 am johnny five

    mu’min, i say “obsidian”.

    obsidian is smooth, lustrous, and, of course, black – often with tinges of gold (viva la bling).

    it is born as lava, so it “packs heat”.

    and it is amorphous, so the casual observer has no idea what’s going on inside it.

    and as if that weren’t enough, obsidian scalpels are used to cut into the heart with almost no scarring.
    the analogy won’t be lost on you.

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  82. on December 17, 2008 at 5:18 am Mu'Min

    J5,
    I LOVE IT. “Obsidian” it is.

    Now there’s just the small matter of getting the other “tests” out of the way before the Blog gets under way; I need to research some good start dates.

    Good lookin’ J5; you da Man.

    Salaam
    Mu’Min aka “Obsidian”

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  83. on December 17, 2008 at 6:51 am Mu'Min

    Two things.

    To my White Brothers: please get some Audio Shiny Shit on your Playlist. I’d highly, highly recommend both D’Angelo’s albums, “Brown Sugar” and “Voodoo”. He’s considered our generation’s Prince, and his work is top shelf. In fact, he did two covers of popular songs, Smokey Robinson’s Cruisin’ and Roberta Flack’s Feel Like Makin’ Love, both of which were big hits in their own right. D’Angelo’s renditions are excellent. Guaranteed to score.

    Also, you NEED Luther. I was in the Target store the other day and they got a boxed set of three CDs of his best stuff for real cheap. Women throughout the Universe loved Luther. Get it.

    After that, I suppose you can toss in whatever you happen to like, although I’d recommend getting a sense of what the Women your aiming for like. For me, I roll with stuff like The Isley Brothers. Most of your Rock Music stars got their sensuality from these guys anyway, so it ain’t no big whup and a key thing about Women is Mood.

    Next, I had been thinking of moving to new quarters, but in light of recent events it seems I’ll be doing that sooner than expected. Philly has a rich history with its homes, and I’ve always been partial to the older styles, particularly master bedrooms. Fits my persona to a Tee. Gotta invest in a good sound system, I’m thinking either Bose or, in a pinch, Sony. And some other stuff.

    More later.

    Salaam
    Mu/Obsidian

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  84. on December 17, 2008 at 7:12 am reserved

    Re: The Free Rider Problem

    The solution was reading comprehension.

    “… if you have something to offer you can get away with breaking the rules. And they follow the rules because… they have nothing else to offer. People will negotiate with the winners on their terms … ”

    They’re not free-riding. They have something to offer.

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  85. on December 17, 2008 at 8:27 am Gordan

    @NonAbsolut, 12:51am

    *Caveat: for this dynamic to work, the man should be a minimum of 10 years older (and the woman not over 30.)

    That’s a pretty absolutist statement, in addition to being wrong. It works just fine on a wide range of age differences, including negative ones, and on a range of ages, including women well above 30. You’ll see once you get there.

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  86. on December 17, 2008 at 8:51 am PA

    — You all have talked about game being necessary in marriage, but could you flesh that out? Specifically, you’re in your thirties now but as your wives age will you trade them in or cheat?

    Game is not equal to infidelity. It’s a tool that facilitates cheating for those so-inclined. But it’s also a way to keep one’s wife or girlfriend happy. You have to remember: early in the relationship, there are all kinds of sexy feelings, there is the adrenaline of discovering a new lover; it’s a massive high. For both the guy and the girl. But in an LTR, how do you sustain this for 50+ years?

    For the man, with Game.

    If you ever see an old dude, someone over 70, whose wife still loves and respects him, see how he acts toward her. He probably never heard of the word “Game” in his whole life. But he carries himself, and treats her, as though he has read Mystery et al.

    I won’t rehash the specifics, but I’ll just say that he is keeping the flame alive by acting like a man. And no one is more happy for that than his wife. He’s a challenge, he’s self-controlled, and he’s confident in relations with his wife.

    This in turn makes it easier for him to be romantic, affectionate, and respectful to her as well, because she sees those gestures as offerings, not as supplications.

    Now, on to infidelity. It’s a personal choice and it depends on one’s philosophy. In my case, I believe that cheating on one’s wife is like shitting into your pants. Sure, it’s a release, but at the cost of soiling oneself.

    Here is one recent example of what I mean. I once worked with a hot little cutie who had a massive crush on me. She’d do stuff like lean over my desk to give me a peek down her shirt, for example. I got gonads and this shit drove me berserk. Once we both flew out to another city for work, she found some reason to come to my hotel room in the evening. And I know buying signals when I see them.

    And I did not cheat.

    I did like John Travola in Pulp Fiction. I told myself, “this is a test, a test of how loyal you can be. Because loyalty is important.” So I was polite, didn’t rush things, but I did tell her good night. Then I went to bed, jerked off like never before, and went to sleep.

    Had I been single, I’d have kicked my own idiot ass for passing that up. But had I gone for it as a married man, I’d have felt like a dirtbag for doing this to a girl who has a hot dinner waiting for me everyday after work, who is young, looks gorgeous and will never let herself go, and who is carrying my baby. Cheating would have been a schmuck thing to do.

    — As per your own quiz, a man loses precious Alpha points if he is too intelligent.

    Roissy argues that an IQ in the 110 to 130 range is optimal for Alphahood. That’s about as smart as you need to be to graduate from college and have a decent-paying job.

    At the 130 to 145 range, IQ is neither a benefit nor a liability, with regards to dating. That’s about the IQ range of smart bloggers and successful engineers or lawyers.

    Beyond 145 you start losing ground with women because being too smart makes it harder to relate to people and because you tend to live in a world of abstractions.

    But I’ll add that with the right personality, genius-level IQ can be a lethal weapon on the dating market, examples being Rasputin and Arthur Koestler.

    For what it’s worth, I’d peg Roissy’s verbal IQ at a pretty high level, probably in the low-mid 130s:

    – Higher that Siggie, Aggie or Steve Sailer (though their quantitative scores probably beat his)

    – About equal with Michael Blowhard, John Derbyshire and Fred Reed (though with Derb and Reed, the years of mucho vino have not been kind to them)

    – Not as high as Larry Auster or Mencius Moldbug. Mencius’ IQ is off the friggin’ charts but he’s still about as funny and personable as a supersmart guy can be.

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  87. on December 17, 2008 at 8:59 am PA

    Mu: I see Game as a complex of of things-social skills, art of seduction male to female, and for lack of a better way of putting it, “Manliness” training-ALL OF WHICH are vital to keeping a LTR/Marriage vibrant and alive.

    Yes. And there is one more crucial element to Game: knowing how to select a good woman for LTR/marriage, one that is worthy your being faithful to her in the first place.

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  88. on December 17, 2008 at 9:00 am PA

    Mu:

    I see Game as a complex of of things-social skills, art of seduction male to female, and for lack of a better way of putting it, “Manliness” training-ALL OF WHICH are vital to keeping a LTR/Marriage vibrant and alive.

    Yes. And there is one more crucial element to Game: knowing how to select a good woman for LTR/marriage, one that is worthy your being faithful to her in the first place.

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  89. on December 17, 2008 at 9:08 am T. AKA Ricky Raw

    Re: The Free Rider Problem

    The solution was reading comprehension.

    “… if you have something to offer you can get away with breaking the rules. And they follow the rules because… they have nothing else to offer. People will negotiate with the winners on their terms … ”

    They’re not free-riding. They have something to offer.

    You can still have something to offer and be a free rider, so long as you reap benefits mostly made possible from someone else’s sacrifices and hard work. The environment that allows the hedonist to thrive is made possible by living in a society comprised mostly of rule followers, meaning that rule followers have more to offer society than rule breakers.

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  90. on December 17, 2008 at 9:09 am Peter

    Roissy argues that an IQ in the 110 to 130 range is optimal for Alphahood. That’s about as smart as you need to be to graduate from college and have a decent-paying job.
    At the 130 to 145 range, IQ is neither a benefit nor a liability, with regards to dating. That’s about the IQ range of smart bloggers and successful engineers or lawyers.
    Beyond 145 you start losing ground with women because being too smart makes it harder to relate to people and because you tend to live in a world of abstractions.

    I’ll disagree slightly and say that the nerd cliff becomes an issue at somewhat lower than 145. The percentage of highly intelligent people with various personality-related disorders seems to be higher than the percentage of people with IQ’s over 145, which simple statistics tell us is very, very small.

    My best guess is that problems start developing in the 135-140 range.

    Peter

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  91. on December 17, 2008 at 9:15 am Comment_Nerdy

    It’s been said before, but it needs repeating. You can talk to a woman about almost anything, and if you do it right, she’ll be attracted. If the nerdy person is emotionally intense, then that will be attractive…. regardless of what he says. Playful/funny, which I can’t do, undoubtly adds to this.

    Lack of neediness is a lot more powerful than most people think.

    All women test. Many men fail even really basic ones. For example, one girl I talked to in college said she would change the place of their date on her first boyfriend(dancing to movie or movie to dancing) and he would go along. I doubt this even counts as a ‘test’. Any man who someone has bothered to explain anything to can ‘pass’ this “I’m horny and I want to be ‘dominated’ ” test by saying that they are going to the original place.

    But he still failed.

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  92. on December 17, 2008 at 9:21 am Mu'Min

    PA,
    Interesting thoughts on IQ guesstimates. In light of what’s been said about IQ and Black folks, where would I rank? I’ve never been IQ tested.

    And, this dovetails into NonAbsolute & Nicole’s comments about Male Mate Selection. If one doesn’t attend university, how do you assess Intel?

    Comments?

    Thanks.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  93. on December 17, 2008 at 9:26 am T. AKA Ricky Raw

    This page from the book A Just Society by Michael Boylah offers a further explanation of the free rider problem:

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  94. on December 17, 2008 at 9:31 am PA

    Mu, I haven’t read enough of your comments to have a clear sense of your Verbal IQ* but based on the fact that your comments are personable, you maintain a narrative coherence even when the comment is long, the fact that you write well in live time, you keep a decent economy of noise-to-signal, you don’t use ‘big words’ for their own sake, and you use a good balance of generality vs specifics to make your points, I’d say that your Verbal is well beyond “above average.”

    But I’ll add that your exessive capitalization of nouns is a quirk that I find very distracting.

    Your Quantitavtive I have no way of knowing, but if you’re successful as an astrologer, it’s probably pretty high as well.

    [* disclaimer: this is all amateur fun for on my part; I have no background in psychology or psychometrics.]

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  95. on December 17, 2008 at 9:43 am Peter

    Dave Attell humorously demonstrated why, for instance, watching Discovery Channel would not aid in attracting women because it fills your head with odd facts that come out like a Tourette’s Syndrome.

    Consider, however, that a sport-obsessed man who watches ESPN all the time won’t have any trouble attracting women, even though few women would share his obsession. Sports are appropriate “guy stuff” and women therefore find sports nut acceptable and even desirable. Another, probably lesser factor is that men with sports obsessions are likely to have close male buddies who share their interests, and through them will have the chance to meet more women. This factor does not exist with respect to nerdy male interests such as sci-fi, which tend to be more solitary pursuits.

    Peter

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  96. on December 17, 2008 at 11:13 am Peregrine John

    Good God, that’s a lot of beans.

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  97. on December 17, 2008 at 11:28 am El Guapo

    @Peter

    I guess you missed the San Diego Scifi/Comic convention this year. Even if I wasn’t a scifi guy I would go because the number of hot women there was staggering. And I suppose you missed the phenom of BattleStar Galactica parties?

    There’s a network of humans scifi as well, just as in sportsland. It’s just one is more popularly known than the other.

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  98. on December 17, 2008 at 11:35 am Michael Blowhard

    PA way overestimates my brainpower but does a great job of explaining the importance of Game (or something like it) in keeping a marriage alive, rewarding and fun.

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  99. on December 17, 2008 at 11:37 am Eurosabra

    Mike Pilinski (in “Without Embarassment”) and Daran of Feminist Critics also detailed how high-IQ in men tends to lead to incapacity to socially “pace” and bond by being like the other guys, which leads to alpha–>beta abuse & bullying, which leads high-IQ men to withdraw, which leads to even further social weirdness and ostracism. Totally-average-looking and reasonably-smart women liked me just fine, but I couldn’t recognize the signals after a lifetime of beatdown-induced depression. “Fake it ’til you make it” seems to be the dominance-centered PUA approach, but “Be your best self and keep your head up” is a good start.

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  100. on December 17, 2008 at 11:42 am T. AKA Ricky Raw

    David Deangelo has a great piece on why smart guys suck with women:

    http://www.seductiontuition.com/david-deangelo/intelligent-fail-women.html

    I won’t bother answering the marriage question, since PA in this post and Dave from Hawaii in an earlier post pretty much covered anything I could think of saying.

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  101. on December 17, 2008 at 11:44 am El Guapo

    I think Roissy is plumb wrong on the IQ debate. The smarter you are the more valuable it is in dating, across the whole spectrum.

    The problem is failure to use that asset properly in the mating dance. Mystery is incomplete – it’s not tall handsome big cocked men. It’s that, and it’s preferably smart, tall handsome big cocked men.

    The highest intelligence humans have no game because they swallowed, innocently, hook line and sinker, the wrong attitudes and wrong info about women. They execute their wrong plan with exquisitely perfect agony.

    If you take one such human, and bring about proper Game and attitude, you create PUA-like monsters that get laid furiously. Been there, done that. I have a good friend, smartest human I know. Hit him over the head and said “look — this is how”. After the shock wore off and after I had to physically push him out of the nest a couple times, he soared quite nicely.

    YMMV

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  102. on December 17, 2008 at 12:13 pm Benedict Smith

    “A monogamous lifestyle is certainly not for everyone, but one should not delude himself that he can truly experience the best of both worlds. The lifelong “committed” hedonist by definition has chosen to compromise.”

    – he compromises others, not himself, and that is what sets him apart from others. that is why he is loathed, hated, feared, loved, desired, but above all: respected.

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  103. on December 17, 2008 at 12:16 pm Benedict Smith

    PA has a bromance with Mu. how touching? *gag*

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  104. on December 17, 2008 at 12:21 pm Peter

    I guess you missed the San Diego Scifi/Comic convention this year. Even if I wasn’t a scifi guy I would go because the number of hot women there was staggering. And I suppose you missed the phenom of BattleStar Galactica parties?

    Just because some hot women might go to sci-fi or comic conventions doesn’t mean that they would have any interest in the men who attend them. Ren Faires are in the same category.

    Peter

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  105. on December 17, 2008 at 12:25 pm Michael Blowhard

    Having a few brain cells to spare can be a plus where making time with the gals goes. It’s a kind of power … Having fun with your mental prowess seems to be attractive … It’s like physical strength — a fun gift.

    You do have to know how to wear it attractively, though. Like everyone else I’ve known some hyper-smart guys who were so into their smarts that they came off as mega-obnoxious, including some who’d almost want to beat you up in frustration if you couldn’t follow them or keep up. Now that’s not attractive.

    In my own case … Being uninterested in worldly achievement and no more than presentable physically, I had little to offer gals but mental and verbal sparkle. On the subject of art and culture, though, I can be mighty good company. Some girls enjoyed that, and sometimes it led straight to bed and/or an affair.

    So, yeah, mental prowess can sometimes work in your favor where the ladies are concerned.

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  106. on December 17, 2008 at 12:26 pm Mu'Min

    There, there Benedict; there’s always room for one more.;)

    Salaam
    Mu

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  107. on December 17, 2008 at 12:38 pm Mu'Min

    OK Fellas, here’s what I need help in understanding:

    If Women select Men in part, based on IQ; and if the chief way of determining this is on the basis of college degrees; then how does one take into account the fact that, in our Time, not only do Women support themselves, but that fewer numbers of Males are going on to higher education? In the absence of say, a more “traditional” standard to assess IQ, what would Today’s Woman use as a calculus?

    Also: that Women are drawn to Alpha Males, however that’s defined, is, I think its safe to say at this juncture, a fact. Having said that though, a question arises for me: the assumption is that Women select AMs on the basis of strength, courage, etc; but, might there be factors relating to IQ involved as well? But not necessarily of the “beaker” variety? We all know that Women regard Social skill, if not intel, very highly. Could there be other forms of intel that could be involved as well in terms of AM selection, especially now that fewer Men are going to college to begin with?

    Hope that all makes sense.

    Comments?

    Salaam
    Mu

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  108. on December 17, 2008 at 1:24 pm Nicole

    But Benedict, hedonism is not necessarily about pleasure for one’s self. It is about the pursuit of pleasure, which can mean the pleasure of others.

    If someone’s aim is to feel and cause as much pleasure and as little suffering as possible, then there is no need to compromise themselves above another or another above themselves. Compromises can be made all around, and still be under the umbrella of hedonism.

    The problem is of course that pleasure is not always a good thing. Brain damage can cause someone to be in a perpetual state of happiness and bliss, but it’s still because of damage. Also, without suffering, people don’t develop well. Even our skin is conditioned by trauma. Suffering is necessary to develop empathy, healthy fear of predators, and a host of other handy coping skills.

    The pursuit of pleasure over say, health, in my opinion is childish and dangerous…not necessarily because it can be used by a predatory person to justify harming others for the sake of pleasure, but because it invalidates the very experiences that brought us to the point of considering such a thing as a philosophy or lifestyle at all.

    If one never really suffered, one wouldn’t bother looking for ways to ease their suffering. Pain made you think. Running from pain is running from thought, and in the long run hinders one’s development.

    I personally prefer a hard core “kamikaze” attitude towards life and love, over hedonism. Yes, I will suffer, but I will be whole no matter how much suffering it takes. I will not chop off bits of myself or attempt to do so, just to make it convenient for me to use others, which would actually make it easier for others to use me.

    The end of the road for us all is death anyway.

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  109. on December 17, 2008 at 3:00 pm Pupu

    Nicole, the dangerous girl, 😉

    Pupu has always thought Maria Callas had the “kamikaze” attitude when she sang.

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  110. on December 17, 2008 at 3:44 pm Dave from Hawaii

    As Mu Min & PA relate, “game” in a marriage or LTR is all about learning to act like a “man.” The kind of man that inspires attraction in his woman.

    “Game” is simply the scientific process of analyzing, observing and field testing male social skills and strategies to attain and maintain female attraction.

    Whether you apply it to womanizing or to keeping your long term mate hot and heavy for you, “GAME” is basically the science of teaching men how to act like MEN.

    The thing about attraction is that it is not based on a conscious thought process…this is why the PUA’s always advise men to NEVER listen to what women SAY they want, but watch what the do…i.e. why nice guys look on in bitter envy as the girls they lust for date the ‘jerks.’

    That’s where game comes in for a LTR or Marriage.

    It teaches men to act in the manner that women are attracted to on a instinctually driven, biological level.

    When a woman “falls out of love” with her boyfriend or husband, she has mistaken “love” for her feelings of attraction or infatuation to him…he no longer inspires sexual attraction in her. Once this happens, she starts getting annoyed with anything and everything he does.

    One of the biggest ways in which females “fall out of love” with their males in LTR/Marriages is when the male continuously and repeatedly fail their shit tests. When he starts acting like a beta, she will subconsciously start treating him like a beta…and a woman’s biological instinct is to avoid breeding with a beta at all costs.

    When a man studies game, he learns about the shit test and how to pass them…which in turn keeps his wife/girlfriend attracted to him.

    Yes. And there is one more crucial element to Game: knowing how to select a good woman for LTR/marriage, one that is worthy your being faithful to her in the first place.

    Amen.

    This is increasingly difficult to do in the age of the feminist/matriarchal cultural zeitgeist.

    I’m astounded at the number of women that don’t know how to cook. I’m continually blown away at the number of women that constantly marvel at my wife’s cooking…as if she possesses an extraordinary talent.

    I shake my head at how many times women look at me with wide eyes and slack jaws when I tell them how my wife cooks dinner from scratch every night and prepares a lunch for me every morning.

    They don’t understand how my wife could be so “subservient” to me.

    That’s because I “GAME” my wife, and she is still attracted to me after 10 years of marriage as when we first met. She actively and continuously tries to please and help me, because I satisfy her biological imperative for hypergamy.

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  111. on December 17, 2008 at 4:15 pm Michael Blowhard

    Pupu’s a charmer with a cute and funny name and a sweetly poetic writing style. *And* she reads Michael Polanyi. Sigh. Life can be good.

    Dudez: Time to flex a little Game — pursue this girl before it’s too late!

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  112. on December 17, 2008 at 4:17 pm Michael Blowhard

    Pupu’s a charmer with a cute and funny name and a sweetly poetic writing style. *And* she reads Michael Polanyi. Sigh. Life can be good.

    Dudez: Time to flex a little Game — pursue this girl before it’s too late!

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  113. on December 17, 2008 at 4:23 pm Mu'Min

    DFH,
    Excellent analysis, sir. Very well written and presented. Much appreciated.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  114. on December 17, 2008 at 4:27 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    *And* she reads Michael Polanyi.

    And Edward T. Hall to boot. Pupu’s the shit.

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  115. on December 17, 2008 at 4:34 pm Bjorn

    From George Bernard Shaw’s play Man and Superman:

    About Hell:

    “Written over the gate here are the words “Leave every hope behind, ye who enter.” Only think what a relief that is! For what is hope? A form of moral responsibility. Here there is no hope, and consequently no duty, no work, nothing to be gained by praying, nothing to be lost by doing what you like. Hell, in short, is a place where you have nothing to do but amuse yourself.”

    The Devil:
    “I know that beauty is good to look at; that music is good to hear; that love is good to feel; and that they are all good to think about and talk about……(As to “responsibility’:)the end will be despair and decrepitude, broken nerve and shattered hopes, vain regrets for that worst and silliest of wastes and sacrifices, the waste and sacrifice of the power of enjoyment: in a word, the punishment of the fool who pursues the better before he has secured the good.(The Devil)(Act 3)”

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  116. on December 17, 2008 at 5:11 pm Nicole

    Pupu, she was a soprano with powah 🙂

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  117. on December 17, 2008 at 5:14 pm Pupu

    Pupu so wants to be a piece of hot shit! But she is usually constipated, which is why she envies Kick so much because he claims to be able to shit his pants on demand 🙂

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  118. on December 17, 2008 at 5:49 pm Markku

    Interesting thoughts on IQ guesstimates. In light of what’s been said about IQ and Black folks, where would I rank? I’ve never been IQ tested.

    Why not take a free online test to get a rough idea?

    You are a good writer. Your prose is coherent, grammatically correct (your idiosyncasies serve a clear purpose and coherent), and clear. Your verbal IQ is certainly above the US adult population.

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  119. on December 17, 2008 at 6:19 pm PA

    Why not take a free online test to get a rough idea?

    I’ve heard that those “Tickle” online IQ tests inflate people’s scores.

    If you took the SAT or any other major standardized test in high school there are online conversion tables for IQ

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  120. on December 17, 2008 at 6:25 pm Markku

    I’ve heard that those “Tickle” online IQ tests inflate people’s scores.

    You bet they do.

    But I’ve seen some that look more accurate.

    If you took the SAT or any other major standardized test in high school there are online conversion tables for IQ

    That’s a good idea.

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  121. on December 17, 2008 at 6:29 pm Nicole

    Darn…I forgot I was going to answer Mu’s question about gauging a guy’s intelligence.

    To eyeball a guy’s intelligence, I’d watch how he did things, what was important to him, and how well he handled topics that required thought, not just regurgitating data.

    Also, intelligent people tend to collect items that are useful only to a person with a higher than median IQ, but more for the sake of personal tradition than actual desire for the object…like whatever’s the latest model of solar powered scientific calculator they spot on the way out of Radio Shack, and various gadgets they got used to getting over the years.

    If a jar is difficult to open with brute force, he’ll tap around the edges of the lid. When helping to make home made ravioli he’ll press with the knife instead of sawing at it, or ask if you have a pizza cutter…stuff like that.

    Then of course, there is meeting him while engaged in “nerd” fun.

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  122. on December 17, 2008 at 7:24 pm Mu'Min

    Markku,
    Thanks for the response, thanks too Nicole.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  123. on December 17, 2008 at 7:27 pm Spike

    Gotta love those IQ tests.

    That online version of the Raven’s Progressive Matrices kicked my ass something hard. I scored just 111. Lowest I ever scored on an IQ test. I guess my brain ain’t got that much g mojo, eh?

    While I do believe in the efficacy of tests, particularly on the wide statistical range, I do believe that one should take it with a grain of salt. My corresponding highest ever test score was 168, though that was from one in the back of a Mensa book written in 1972, so it probably should be jigged lower. Not going to give my average, but it pretty much syncs up with my SAT and ACT scores.

    It has next to no reflection on my high school records, which includes getting kicked out of a private school for low grades and graduating from a public high school with a 2.1 GPA. I was frankly amazed with my SAT and ACT math scores, because the last math class I ever took was a remedial one filled with 8th graders (long story on how I pulled off a graduation on that). What can I say? I had other priorities during high school. Odd though, that I ended up loving college and going to grad school.

    Still, I enjoy taking IQ tests for fun. It hits my Jeopardy button. As for what my IQ breakdown really is? I have no clue, as I’ve never submitted myself to a true psychometric analysis. As always, I’m open to amateur ventures.

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  124. on December 17, 2008 at 10:30 pm eh

    IQ is overrated for game. What is needed is what the Greeks called metis, or cunning intelligence. The ability to outwit and outplay others; and to also spot those abilities in others so as to thwart them (from other females to cockblockers).

    The Greeks used to hold metis to a higher standard than other forms of intelligence. Hence why you have an entire epic poem (the odyssey) about a cunning hero and his exploits (notice also it was Odysseus who created the trojan horse in the Illiad).

    The downside of this cunning intelligence is that you won’t find it in PUAs who make grandiose claims about being ‘alpha’. Such arrogance will eventually lead them into being outplayed by someone much more cunning than them. Being alpha is more than just picking up women, particularly when you hear PUAs start to make cross-domain claims about their pick up abilities into other areas. If you maintain that strategic tunnel vision you’ll eventually be blindsided by some outside threat. Read any history on this topic. Or pick up Greene’s 48 laws of power, or ‘Overconfidence and war: The havoc and glory of positive illusions’ by D. Johnson. Blatant arrogance, combined with open verbosity about how damn alpha you are, is a recipe for one’s eventual downfall.

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  125. on December 18, 2008 at 7:47 am Markku

    I haven’t slept very well lately, which is probably why I keep leaving words out of sentences more often than I usually do. Where I live, we have five little longer than five hours of daylight per day around this time of the year. What little snow there was is almost gone now because above-freezing temperature since early this morning. What fucking depressing conditions.

    One of the most interesting IQ tests I’ve ever taken was a free online version of the Wechsler Adult Scale of Intelligence. I came up three standard deviations above the mean on the Verbal IQ test and one standard deviation above the mean in Performance IQ. Now, the absolute scores are not nearly as interesting here, as they may be way off, as the large gulf between the Verbal and the Performance subtests. Is there anyone else here whose non-verbal and verbal abilities differ to such a great degree?

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  126. on December 18, 2008 at 8:21 am Mu'Min

    Noted, EH…or is it Elizabeth?

    😉

    Salaam
    Mu

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