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A Test Of Your Game: The Judging

January 8, 2009 by CH

Tuesday’s post inspired the commenters to heights of creativity and in-depth analysis matched in erudition only by the rapist-like wit of a femtard invasion (with betaboy lackeys in tow). I enjoyed reading through the suggestions. Bravura performance.

I chose answers that best represented the widely known competing tactics for dealing with girls who cancel dates under the pretext of obviously bullshit excuses. The girl in my story technically did not flake because she cancelled well ahead of the scheduled date time, but the method by which she cancelled was in the same spirit as a flake. How you handle a transparently silly cancellation is similar to how you handle an inconsiderate flake.

Mu’Min wrote:

“No prob, holla when U get clear.”

This is the standard cool cat, emotionally neutral, “no skin off my nose” response. This response, and the “no response” response below, should be the default go-to options for guys who don’t know what they’re doing. It’s better to invest in fundamental, low risk, conservative game than to potentially fuck it up by diversifying into high flying techie game where you are thinking too much and sending some overwrought, try-hard text in reply. Is the cool cat response the best available option given the circumstances in my scenario? Probably not, but you can feel safe using it. Your dignity will remain unscathed. This is the tactic to use when you think she’s telling the truth and you want to seem reasonable and trusting. The downside, as one commenter noted, is that you give tacit compliance to her lame excuse. If you’re concerned about rubberstamping her lies, you’re better off not responding at all.
Grade (Cool Cat Game): B

Various readers wrote:

No response. Ignore her.

Textual silence will at least leave her wondering, however briefly, if you received her text and why you didn’t respond like every other guy she’s pulled this stunt on. Roosh has talked about the effects this has on a girl. If her flake was a reflexive shit test, you can prod her curiosity with the lack of a reply. Then you give yourself an outside chance that she calls you just before the originally scheduled date time to ask if you got her message. This is good because it means she will have complied with your frame. But if she seriously lost all interest after the first meet, then you just saved yourself ten seconds not answering her text.
Grade (No Response Game): A

red wrote:

Wait a few days then send her a message to the effect: ”Hey, you missed out on a really great after dinner orgy. You shoulda been there, the action was awesome. Maybe next time.” Delivered in a straight dead-pan manner. No smiley faces or “lols”.

Cannon’s Canon wrote:

“I’m being sentenced Monday morning so it’s literally now or never”

These fall under the category of humorous, cocky replies. I laughed, but will she? Maybe. Will that mean she calls you for a date reschedule? Not likely.
Grade: C, on a humor curve

Flashman wrote:

“Hmmm…not good. You will have to make this up to me. You will give me a shoulder massage when you see me, so limber up those hands.”

This is an example of the “Still Gaming Her” response. If you don’t want to “NEXT” a girl (and if you’re a beta who hasn’t gotten laid in a while, “nexting” can seem like an awfully frustrating method for retaining your abundance mentality), then you should continue to run game with the intent of rebuilding the attraction that was there when you first met in that grimy bar. Upside: When it works, it works like gangbusters. Downside: It only works on girls who are still interested. Note: The “Still Gaming Her” text should be sent relatively soon after receiving her cancellation text. Otherwise, it will sound weird.
Grade: B-

agnostic wrote:

“That’s disappointing. We can meet on [whatever day], same time, same place. If that doesn’t work for you, we can cancel.”

sk3ptic wrote:

“Something came up I can’t hang with you tomorrow, blah blah blah.”

Similar in function to the “Still Gaming Her” text, the IOD (Indicator of Disinterest) text is an attempt to steal her frame by disqualifying yourself on the follow-up. Catch: Letting a girl know you’re willing to walk works better on girls who haven’t already disqualified themselves with their flaky behavior. Sk3ptic’s suggestion to act as if you never even saw her cancellation text is particularly intriguing as an example of appealing directly to a woman’s emotions and circumventing her logic. Reframing an interaction with a girl does not require logic. It just requires balls. And chicks dig balls; logic… not so much.
Grade: Player’s C

VK wrote:

Send her a multimedia text of a picture of your balls sack then text the words… “suck it”

This is “Nuke the pussy from orbit” text game. We should all do this. The story we could tell our buddies is worth more than the lay.
Grade: A+ if it’s an animated gif

tokyojesusfist wrote:

picking up women has nothing to do with being an alpha.

Grade: Massive Beta

Jay Gatsby wrote:

“don’t call me. I’ll call you when I get back”.

Give or take a week later, send her another text saying “I’m back. Call you later.”

This is Stratego Game. Requires forethougtht and planning. I like it for its bold moves. Something like this could shake a girl back into attraction. Downside: Too many steps to implement.
Grade: B-

Joe T. wrote:

“OK, no problem. Then meet me at the Hilton at 9 on Saturday, I will be giving a”

Jesus_Lizard wrote:

“Sounds good, but where did we meet again?…. Just kidding, how about we”

Ah yes, the dangling penis texts. Keep her wondering what the hell you were going to say. I’ve never tried this, so you’ll have to put in the field work yourselves to judge its effectiveness.
Grade: Incomplete

Kick a Bitch wrote:

“tell her to suck it up… we’re far more important ;)”

Now this is how you romance a girl.
Grade: Love

Will wrote:

“…Yes?”

Will is right that alphas do not send verbose texts. I’ve written about this before; the more laconic you are the better. But I think a lot of readers are making a mistake to assume the girl knows she sent a truncated text. Sometimes you type out a long text, send it, and close your phone without ever realizing it got partitioned into two texts. So the “Yes?” response is likely to confuse her. Which may not be a bad thing.
Grade: B+

Chuck wrote:

“You’re divorced!! Just kidding. That works out great , there’s xyz (make it sound like a big deal) and i was going to tell you I couldn’t make it. We’ll do something another day”

This is a double-barreled DLV. Your ploy to recuse yourself from the cancelled date post-hoc won’t fool her, and you’re offer of a future meetup when she just flaked on you with an insulting excuse is beta.
Grade: F

bds wrote:

“Flake. Rude.”

samuel wrote:

“I don’t know if you’re lying or not, but texting me in this way is bullshit. Cut the crap, make it up to me, and maybe I’ll give you access to my cock.”

You can’t guilt a woman into seeing you again. Women are led around by their emotions. If you make her feel bad for flaking, she’ll associate bad feelings with you. You may think you’re being an asshole, but assholes don’t care enough to feel an obligation to enlighten a girl on her bad manners. Don’t bother with these “calling her out on her BS” texts. They rarely work except on mentally unbalanced girls. I’m not theorizing here. I speak from solid experience. I once spent a couple months experimenting by calling out all the flaky girls I met. I sent about eight “I don’t accept this sort of rudeness” style texts to them when they flaked. Result: Not one of those girls replied.
Grade: D-

el chief wrote:

“gay. you’re buying if we meet up again”

This is a great example of classic old school asshole game. I love it. Short, direct, non-needy and edgy. Downside: It gives off a whiff of emotionally affected annoyance. Won’t work on girls you didn’t leave a strong impression on when you first met, but those it does work on will fuck you right after they buy you that drink.
Grade: A for Alpha Asshole

JAW wrote:

“I’ve got lots of plans over the next couple weeks. Change your plans with your friend to lunch, and I’ll see you at 8 tomorrow.”

Some would say you shouldn’t force a girl to choose between you and her friend, but an alpha would say “fuck that” and lead her to the place he wants her to be. If she’s a highly primative girl, she’ll respond favorably to this angle of attack. Now you’ve got a girl who would flake on her friend to jump your bone.
Grade: Pass and Fail

Rain And wrote:

“My friend’s band is playing again, Sunday the 15th @ xxx. You should check them out.”

Great example of Indirect text game. Don’t acknowledge her cancellation, and don’t forgive her flake by setting up another date. Just drop a hint that you’re cool if she wants to meet you someplace you’ll already be. Upside: You seem detached. Downside: It puts too much of the decision making process in her hands.
Grade: B-

******

What I Did

Ten minutes before the time we were supposed to meet, I sent this:

Hey, good luck.

I knew the excuse she gave was utterly ridiculous bullshit, so I figured the odds of meeting her again had dropped to near zero. But in the off chance that she was telling the truth, (remember, in my story her friend looks depressed. she could have been the one who was dumped), I wanted to keep the channels open for future contact. A brief, emotionally neutral text at the last second was the answer.

Everyone needs to read this comment by stagetwo. He has absolutely nailed the psychology behind the flake and the mental frame you must possess to deal with them.

if you show you assume it’s true, you’re beta: naive.
if you show you assume it’s not true, you’re beta: insecure.

In short, the matter of her veracity is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to your response. Think about it. An alpha does not care whether she’s telling the truth. Lying and flaking is all part of the wonderful fabric of femininity. He is, by nature, unmoved by such precocious antics. Stagetwo’s suggestion is either No Response or:

“sure. guess what i just saw: [unrelated observation of mutual interest]”

Grade: Money

Here are a couple more options you can pursue for dealing with flakes and which might work well.

  • Flake first.

Some guys suggest the “Flake First” strategy of literally flaking out on a girl before she has had a chance to flake on you. This takes some serious balls, because most men are too weak and needy to actively blow up a chance to see a girl they like. This strategy would mean going against every instinct in your male psychology. Which is exactly why it could work on chicks like catnip. Give it a whirl. Cancel on the next three girls you schedule dates with. Don’t set up an alternate date. Just text something along the lines of “Hey, hate to say this but I have to cancel because of X. Another time.” Wait a few days. The next time you talk to her to arrange a meet, she’ll be itching to see you.

  • Preselection game.

PUA Savoy has suggested sending this:

no problem, i’ll invite someone else.

“I’m a guy with options” game can blow up in your face if done under duress. You risk sounding spiteful. This type of text game could work well if you had arranged a very casual date to meet up at some event, like a show or dance class. It will have a plausible ring of truth in those cases. But if you had a one on one date at a bar with her and she cancels, then telling her you’ll invite another girl in her place will sound like a face-saving lie. This one needs field testing.

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  1. on January 8, 2009 at 11:34 am Dr. Deepdick

    you should have sent her a dick pick.
    that’s what i do to my grandma whenever she flakes out on me.

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  2. on January 8, 2009 at 11:48 am girleigh

    How did “Hey, good luck” work out for you? It’s a good response, but was it effective in this case?

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  3. on January 8, 2009 at 11:50 am ironrailsironweights

    Call her and ask if she’s shaved. And take it from there.

    Peter

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  4. on January 8, 2009 at 11:51 am dick fuel

    these are key

    do more

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  5. on January 8, 2009 at 11:59 am Rick

    In my opinion, “Hey, good luck” is much too aware of when the date was supposed to happen, as if you were thinking about it all week until that moment. I mean 10 minutes before you were supposed to meet? Jesus.

    I still stand firm on texting nothing, but if you want to text something, Stagetwo’s suggestion is tops. The whole “[unrelated observation of mutual interest]” text is extremely versatile, and works very well on girls. It can be super funny, witty, goofy, actually interesting, or just super random. If you get a positive text in response, you are in.

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  6. on January 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm PA

    Isn’t “Hey, good luck” is a variation on Mu’Min’s Cool Cat Game… if sent shortly after her flake message?

    Like Rick, I’m surprised that you waited until just before the cancelled date to respond. By that point she should not have been on your mind.

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  7. on January 8, 2009 at 12:12 pm Dr. Deepdick

    if i were the gmanifesto dude, i would probably pick her up in my kitted out ufo–with gucci patterned seats, take her to per se in nyc (where I would get comp’d due to my hustling ability) and touch her anus with my mouth in the bathroom at Daniel. Then I would take her in my brooks brothers time machine to the year 1979 and we would take part in a nasty swinger orgy at studio 54. That’s how us Gs roll. Always hustlin’.

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  8. on January 8, 2009 at 12:15 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    On a side note, 11 minutes posted this article in the comments section of a previous post that I think touches on so many popular topics of this blog that it’s worth reposting:

    http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/01/08/model_google/index.html?source=rss&aim=/mwt/broadsheet/feature

    Also, the divorce wars hit new lows:

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24888798-2703,00.html

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  9. on January 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    el chief’s was my favorite response. vk’s would have been my favorite if i actually had a multimedia text phone.

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  10. on January 8, 2009 at 12:19 pm T. AKA Ricky Raw

    Oh, and last but not least:

    http://52weekstofindhim.com/

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  11. on January 8, 2009 at 12:27 pm Thursday

    Just discovered Steven Den Beste’s classic post on Anglo women. If ever anybody was in need of game it was him:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20001001233914/http://home.san.rr.com/denbeste/female+person.html

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  12. on January 8, 2009 at 12:28 pm Mike

    “if you show you assume it’s not true, you’re beta: insecure.”

    Wrong. If you assume it’s not true, you’re beta: in denial.

    Chica was blowing you off. Her story lacked credibility. She canceled her date tomorrow because he friend had been broken up with yesterday or today? And she was “crazy busy” the best of the week? It doesn’t add up.

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  13. on January 8, 2009 at 12:31 pm Roosh

    girleigh: Its effectiveness or not in one particular case says nothing about the quality of the line. When you don’t have a chance to use a line or technique the dozens of times to judge its worth, sometimes you have to weigh its merits theoretically. You know that because of female psychology it will work (eventually). In time you stumble onto something better.

    I love el chief’s line too. I’d tweak it just a bit into this:

    “okay whatever. you’re buying if we meet up again”

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  14. on January 8, 2009 at 12:32 pm Nic

    My approach was no evaluated. I’m so broken up.

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  15. on January 8, 2009 at 12:39 pm girleigh

    Roosh,

    Yes, I definitely agree. The effectiveness in each particular case will obviously vary. I was just wondering–out of curiosity–how it worked out, but I get that that isn’t really the point.

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  16. on January 8, 2009 at 12:40 pm JAW

    I think “Lame” is a better edit to el chief’s than “okay whatever”. The hippie girl will instinctively be turned off by “gay” as it’s not PC for her. “Lame” can even be said with the same tone in her head as “gay” without the defensiveness of “okay whatever.” I don’t love “if we meet up again” either. When we meet up again.

    “Lame. You’re buying next time.” I think that’s the best edit.

    My original one I liked the idea, but I actually thought the first part came off a little defensive. I think I’d change it to “Tomorrow works best for me. Do lunch with your friend, and I’ll see you at 8.” Now maybe she comes back with a rescheduling, or just says OK, but I don’t sound like as much of a dick, while still being alpha by leading her.

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  17. on January 8, 2009 at 12:57 pm Joe T.

    I like Mu’Min’s “holla when U get clear”.

    Since she’s a hippy chick, she might also be a Scientologist, or at least be familiar with the lexicon, and the “clear” reference might simultaneously disarm her while also serving as an oblique neg.

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  18. on January 8, 2009 at 12:59 pm J

    In case of pulling the no response. What should be said once they contact you again asking if you got their message?

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  19. on January 8, 2009 at 1:00 pm ironrailsironweights

    An alpha does not care whether she’s telling the truth. Lying and flaking is all part of the wonderful fabric of femininity.

    Truth really isn’t the issue. By having given you obviously fake excuses (friend needs comforting, crazy rest of week), she insulted you. She assumed that you’d be so stupid and/or naive that you’d believe her. That’s why ignoring her, and rebuffing her if she ever actually contacts you, is the only real option. Anything else is just debasing yourself.

    Peter

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  20. on January 8, 2009 at 1:01 pm ASF

    Incomplete field report. What result?

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  21. on January 8, 2009 at 1:08 pm Zai

    I’d go with: “Threesomes are what the good doctor orders post break-up”

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  22. on January 8, 2009 at 1:12 pm Golden Seed

    The unrelated-observation-of mutual-interest response indicates too much thinking went into your text; it looks like you tried hard to say something clever in the hopes of impressing her or saving face by feigning whimsical indifference to the situation. That is beta. The cool cat, unaffected, neutral response is best. After all, none of these texting options have significant upside in terms escalating her interest in you, but many have downside. The “high-flying” text response risks coming off as weird, manipulative, needy, etc. The potential payoff isn’t worth the risk. In the end, texts don’t make a pussy wet. Save your game for face to face interaction.

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  23. on January 8, 2009 at 1:21 pm Lisa

    I just think the error occurred when you thought there was nothing more you could do to build rapport when you met her. Going with her to the next venue isn’t necessarily beta, it would depend on the circumstances. You could have said “I could go but I don’t have a ride.” “I could go but I don’t have any money.” See what she’s willing to put up to stay with you and at the same time she’s drawn deeper into a commitment the more she gives.

    Just trying to help.

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  24. on January 8, 2009 at 1:53 pm Benedict Smith

    yeah, stagetwo hit the nail on the head, hence why i went with a “don’t bother” response. I’d rather seem unconcerned with the cancellation than fall into a beta/shit test trap.

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  25. on January 8, 2009 at 11:53 am ez

    you’re generous. i give flashman a d-.

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  26. on January 8, 2009 at 1:55 pm anonymous

    re: flake first
    I’m a trusting person with a “three strikes, then out” policy. Ex: three bad haircuts, then a new stylist. A guy canceling would generate no concern, until the third time.

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  27. on January 8, 2009 at 12:05 pm Jay Gatsby

    Question — what happened after you sent the text? Did you ever hook up with her or run into her again?

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  28. on January 8, 2009 at 2:15 pm Anonymous

    Unrelated news:

    Man who didn’t father twins must pay child support

    … “While the failure of Anciolina Cornelio to disclose to her husband the fact that she had an extramarital affair – and that the twins might not be his biological children – may have been a moral wrong against Mr. Cornelio, it is a wrong that does not afford him a legal remedy to recover child support he has already paid, and that does not permit him to stop paying child support,” Judge van Rensburg said. …

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090107.wtwins08/BNStory/National/home

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  29. on January 8, 2009 at 2:18 pm Jane Bond

    The Douchiest Phone Message in History.
    Well, he’s trying.

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  30. on January 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm jkc

    good use of ambiguity. she won’t know if you’re referring to writing her off or if you’re just being nice about the friend. either way you don’t lose. the timing of your text was a tad curious, but i think i see why you did it.

    ever hear anything back from her?

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  31. on January 8, 2009 at 3:02 pm Ben

    >Isn’t “Hey, good luck” is a variation on Mu’Min’s Cool Cat Game… if sent shortly after her flake message?

    The difference was in Mu’Min’s “No Prob”

    No Prob = forgiveness, that is, acknowledging that she disappointed you and that you don’t mind. She can walk all over you.

    The opposite of that is the “you’re buying” response – ie, she disappointed you and you expect compensation.

    The reason the “lame, you’re buying” response works is because it shows active disinterest and active interest; it’s push/pull in one text.

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  32. on January 8, 2009 at 3:32 pm Eric

    Unrelated, but interesting case in Canada. DNA proves the twins aren’t his; judge says he must keep paying….
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1152816

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  33. on January 8, 2009 at 1:35 pm sara I

    your entire diatribe relating to this particular female has exposed you as the insecure asshole you really are…..again. You’re welcome.

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  34. on January 8, 2009 at 1:35 pm spaceman

    did you get the notch or what?

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  35. on January 8, 2009 at 1:52 pm green mamba

    Sounds like he didn’t meet the girl again, which renders the whole post rather irrelevant.

    Thanks, Thursday, for that den Beste link. Poor guy. He’s certainly right about Anglo vs. Hispanic women.

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  36. on January 8, 2009 at 4:22 pm gig

    This happened in Brazil also. It defies imagination. The wife cheated husband. He discovered but the marriage was maintained. She left Brazil to work in the US. And married an american. As she left, she demand pension (alimony, whatever) from her parents (mother and cuckolded father) so that she had some money in the US .

    She returns to Brazil for vacation and discovers that she can ask money from her biological father also. And now she lives in the US with an American, is 25, and receives pension from 3 people: her mother, the biological father and the “affective” father.

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  37. on January 8, 2009 at 4:27 pm Carl Sagan

    My reponse would have been no response at all, or if I did respond it would have been brief and non chalant.

    The funny thing is, as much as you want to call her out on her behavior sometimes you just can’t. It’s actually a bit conterintuitive to the male psyche since we call out our male friends all the time about their bullshit. It’s almost a natural reaction.

    Solid blog post, like seeing this practical advice.

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  38. on January 8, 2009 at 2:27 pm tokyojesusfist

    Grade: Massive Beta

    Stop using words you don’t understand and go look in the fucking dictionary what alpha and beta mean in reality (no, your juvenile PUA bubble universe does not constitute reality or reside anywhere in its vicinity).

    Your use of the term beta is just your way of feeling arbitrarily superior to other people. I guess that’s easier than developing self-esteem.

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  39. on January 8, 2009 at 2:39 pm Joe T.

    TJF – why the unbridled hate?

    CH isn’t using the textbook sociobiological definitions of alpha and beta. So what? He presents an internally consistent worldview, and it obviously works for a lot of people, else this blog wouldn’t have such a big following.

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  40. on January 8, 2009 at 3:16 pm Will

    Thanks for this. It was an interesting read.

    I use the “…Yes?” in similar situations and you’re right — it confuses them 80% of the time and then they reply back trying to justify/explain themselves. I am, in essence, giving them the opportunity to either, further hang themselves with their own words, or get themselves out of the hole in a respectable manner… if they choose. I refuse to deal with skittish behaviour at the very beginning. It’s indicative of trouble on down the line.

    That being said, I’m no Joe Biden fan, but it reminds me of his brilliant reply to this question…:

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  41. on January 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm el chief

    thanks for the positive comments, gents.

    the theory behind my reply was

    gay = neg
    you’re buying = qualify her
    if we meet up again = disqualify myself

    i would have preferred for her to get a laugh in there too, but that came in the subsequent text.

    here’s an unrelated story:

    – ex GF invites me to her xmas party, pretty much rapes me at end of night, kicks me out. this was my first time receiving a hate fuck.
    – i go to a nearby pub, run into waitress Jen that i used to know. meet her waitress friend Kate too. i go home with Jen, with the old “let’s share a cab…oh, do you have wine at your place?” trick.
    – following week, i have a movie date with Jen, but she flakes. i go to a nearby restaurant. who is at the bar by herself? Kate
    – i run some tight game, including telling her i only date catholics, invite her over for Wii. She soaked my mattress.

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  42. on January 8, 2009 at 5:40 pm Joe T.

    “invite her over for Wii. She soaked my mattress.”

    she thought you meant wee.

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  43. on January 8, 2009 at 5:58 pm el chief

    basically a flake means you failed the previous time. she can’t be bothered to put in the effort to see you, cuz she isn’t feeling it.

    you have the following options:

    1. give up on her
    – this includes no reply, angry reply, or a pic of your balls

    2. re-engage with game
    – this includes cheeky reply, asshole reply, or unrelated observation reply

    3. re-engage with no game
    – this includes “let’s try again next week” reply

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  44. on January 8, 2009 at 5:01 pm Chase

    I had some chick flaked on me me last week, saying that she was too tired to hang out. So I went out, and just happened to run into her at the bar. She apologized and made up some excuse about how she hadn’t been out in a while and needed to go out. I just listened and said “itz all good.” How do you normally handle a flake who you run into very recently after the flake?

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  45. on January 8, 2009 at 5:18 pm Bella Bella

    I think that if a girl likes you after only having met briefly, then there’s nothing in the world that can keep her from wanting to see you again. Yes, something may come up, friend gets dumped, but if she really likes you then she’ll get in touch with you. If she was never really interested from the start, then a text message isn’t going to change her mind. I think his approach, “hey, good luck” is perfect. If she likes you then that simple text works, if she doesn’t care to ever see you again then it doesn’t make you look like a geek! Most of the other ideas were SO bad! If she does like you and you send one of the other messages, you could really mess it up. I mean, who the heck would want to be with someone that sends this …

    “Hmmm…not good. You will have to make this up to me. You will give me a shoulder massage when you see me, so limber up those hands.”

    Sorry to say, but that is such a dorky reply!! She would most likely show that text to her depressed friend and the two of them would have a good giggle! Well, at least her friend wouldn’t be depressed anymore! 😉

    After having only met the girl once, you should keep things as simple as possible.

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  46. on January 8, 2009 at 6:06 pm Mu'Min

    Bella Bella makes a good point.

    What’s good people? Been mad busy on the gig today, but now I’m on the way back to the lab, I thought to respond real quick to a few things I see here.

    First off, let me say thanks to CH for the “B” grade-up from the “Gentleman’s C” a little while back! This shows improvement of which I’m proud. It won’t be long now…

    Somebody suggested that my text reflected that I put too much thought into it, etc, et al. Nothing could be further from the truth. It took me longer to type it than to think it up; it just came right off the top of the dome. And I guess that’s because that’s what I would say and react. People who know me know that I don’t fly off the handle easily; I take it as it comes. So his “Cool Cat” analysis of my vibe is Spot On. I’ve been working hard to focus my energy into a laidback, “relaxed intensity” vibe. Chicks dig a dude like that. Please don’t mistake this for a patsy or a chump, I’m neither and WILL make a bold move when called upon. Its just I like to relax and move on my own schedule. Men in Control don’t look like a chicken with its head cutoff.

    As for the issue itself, Chicks The Flake, I guess my thing is, I try to avoid em as much as possible. No knock on R or anyone else, but the way that whole thing went down just ain’t my steez. I need to get a good bit more one on one time with her, put my hooks all up in her and get some investment from her to ensure she’ll follow up like a good girl should. That said, I can’t knock R for tryin’ with the limited amount of time he had. But I pretty much agree with everyone here, it was pretty much a wash, her depressed GF was a de facto cockblocker. So it was highly unlikely that anything was gonna jumpoff.

    I too greatly enjoy threads like this and hope that we’ll do more. Now that I’m full throttle in the Game I’m trying to really refine it. To that end me and Sparks will be teaming up this weekend along w/Ricky the Cancer and a few other fellas to do some Citywide Sarging. Hopefully we’ll have a good report come Sunday. I got a big weekend planned overall, several Operations look to be converging all at the same time, and on a Full Moon in Cancer no less!

    *Astrologer’s Note*: Fellas, you definitely make your big moves on Full Moons. Trust me. Females are very much attuned to the movements of Luna. When she’s Full, she’s gotta have it. Try it out and see for yourself. I’ll drop some more astro-advice that will aid the Player in Pickup in due course.

    Back to the Flakes: I guess a key question for me has to be, what kind of Women do you want? This is what Mystery and Style/Strauss ask fellas just coming into Game, and for me, I’d have to say that I don’t want the Flake type, and there *are* “tells* that would suggest which Ladies are more likely to do this than not. But then I’ve always liked to aim high (no dis to R or anyone else!), to Females with whom such behavior was low. Still, R makes a good point in noting how to handle such scenarios, because you’re bound to run accross at least a few such gals on the long and winding road.

    But again, I’m pleased of my grade, its a strong sign of improvement. “A+” is now in sight; I can see the Promised Land…

    Holla

    Salaam
    Mu

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  47. on January 8, 2009 at 9:16 pm Cannon's Canon

    Mu,

    Salud to your improved (and superior) grade! I like your comments here because you are genuine and enthusiastic to hone your skills. I share that mindset and wish the rest us here would keep it on point. I was looking forward to getting graded and got really heated that all the rosie o’donnells knocked the schedule back a day. Jumpin off the bozack now, play well!

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  48. on January 8, 2009 at 9:39 pm d

    “no answer” was so obviously the right answer

    why bother gaming girls when they will game themselves for you?

    plus, if i got that text, my first thought is “whatever, if she calls again, cool. or not.” no need for alpha posturing, she’s flaking on me and it’s up to her to un-flake later on.

    there’s just no need to chase girls via text message, since it ain’t gonna work anyway.

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  49. on January 8, 2009 at 10:01 pm ironrailsironweights

    Asian food is tasty. So is Asian GNP.

    Peter

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  50. on January 8, 2009 at 10:53 pm el chief

    regarding “no answer” being the right answer…i don’t think so.

    no answer is too passive. she’ll think you’re secretly steaming. if you flaked on a girl and she didn’t respond, you would know that she was mad. if you’re gonna be passive, reply with “k”.

    also, the girl will not contact you again. she flaked cuz she ain’t that interested.

    the goal here is to fuck the pussy, and maintain your self respect. you can give up, but then no pussy. you can try to be nice and suck up for another date, but no respect. you gotta go cocky or asshole on the reply, while trying to re-engage her.

    i do like Cannon’s prison line. Solid B

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  51. on January 8, 2009 at 11:03 pm Kick a Bitch

    Suck it bitches…

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  52. on January 8, 2009 at 9:46 pm Cannon's Canon

    As for my own grade of C for:

    “I’m being sentenced Monday morning so it’s literally now or never”

    I am not gonna argue with the professor, but I want to explain my mindset a little more. Humorous and cocky were the two subset adjectives I was vying for under the primary categorization of “alpha.” He has established that killers and convicts rock a definitive alpha vibe that is essentially undeniable. So my cocky humor underlay the primordial traits I wanted to remind the girl of in my text message.

    Also, it has been written here and elsewhere to play to your strengths in your game. Don’t be the funny guy if it’s just forced, don’t be the literati if you’re in over your head, don’t boast about your second-inning bunt single in the coed softball game if you are not a jock. Personally, I think I tend to give off a little bit off the primordial, meathead vibe off the bat. If the girl expresses interest, she’s into that or with it for the time being.

    The situation he put out was admittedly fucked from the jump, so we’re already doing damage control and salvaging scraps as the exercise. I went alpha -> cocky humor to reassert my vibe. If it’s a crapshoot that the girl responds anyway, I’d prefer it be to my positives. Thoughts on this?

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  53. on January 8, 2009 at 10:08 pm joel

    Actually, I like CH’s idea the best. It is unexpected. It shows he is thinking about her. It must feel, to her, like he is watching her from across the room with intense interest, but unexpectedly. So, he sent her a clear signal that he was interested in her without pleading or looking desperate. He could have sent that simple message while out partying, but still it was personalized just for her. Not some generic “Holla baby” or a picture of his private parts. A very nice touch. And a bit touching, too. She likely thinks he is a real gentleman.

    My grade: B+. I would only give an A if he scores. I grade hard.

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  54. on January 9, 2009 at 12:09 am pike

    Here’s a little recent experience of mine. I’m sure you can help me figure out how I could have handled this better.

    I walked into a store and saw a somewhat cute (by my standards; you have higher standards than i do) woman standing at the checkout waiting for the clerk to get back. After I picked up my stuff I went to the checkout and the woman was still there. Seeing an opportunity to make an impression and show some leadership I called to the clerk to come and serve us. When the clerk came the woman started apologizing to the clerk, saying that she didn’t want to be rude. Hoping to get a little interaction I smiled what I hoped was a cocky smile and said “Are you saying I was rude?”. With that she started apologizing to me saying that she wasn’t implying that and then walked out the door, apologizing the whole time.

    Obviously, my neg was too heavy/too asshole for my target. What would you have said instead? How would you have recovered?

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  55. on January 9, 2009 at 12:25 am Cannon's Canon

    @ pike

    Negs should be weighted against the overall hotness of a girl, or her overall rating over yours. It sounds like this chick was too insecure to believe she demanded customer service. It’s a humble and desirable trait but unique against ‘game’ of sorts. Kind of the same way TD doesn’t run midwestern collegiate campus game on las vegas women, or vice versa.

    Engage her about her outfit and how it intimidated the cashier! Don’t let her escape! Tell her you can’t possibly believe she knows a better trucker reststop for pancakes than the one you found there. or tuck that ice in anyway, it’s too heavy on you.

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  56. on January 9, 2009 at 12:31 am Mu'Min

    So what the buck, I’mma get my Stream of Consciousness on right about now…

    There’s been a number of things that have been running around in my head and I just wanted to lay a few tracks down so to speak. Any comment or reply, holla.

    OK, I wanted to first speak to what it is that I want out of Game. In The Game, Mystery sits down a group of guys and asks them why they in the Game, and what kinds of Women do they want to attract. Strauss, who goes on to become Style, is one of these Men.

    I think what Mystery does here is very important, because it forces a Man to get clear within himself on what he wants and WHY HE’S HERE. That is so very important, in fact, most people fail in Life because they can’t answer this question because they haven’t given themselves time to think about this question. That’s fucked up.

    So that’s what I’ve been thinking about in a deliberate sense over the past month or so: WHY AM I HERE? And what kinds of Women do I want?

    Second question first. Me, I want the hottest Women I can get my hands on in whatever environment I find myself. I’ve always prided myself on being somewhat selective, but now that just went through the roof. In fact I had the homies on the gig cracking up because I told them that I have a policy about new admits: NO Chickenheads, Hoodrats, Skeezers, Smuts (that’s hood slang for Sluts), Skanks, Headcases, Flakes, Pigeons, Uncouth Biatches or Women who know not the Ways of Cookery; if any such prospect falls into any of these catergories they need not apply, Period.

    The fellas laughed. So did I.

    But I told em the importance of a Man having Standards for himself. In fact, I told them that the Women a Man deals with is a direct reflection of the kind of Man that he is, just like the Moon reflects the light of the Sun. Now dig on that.

    So, Game has given me even MORE confidence in that regard, as to whom I will and will not associate with, in fact, any Woman blessed to have come accross my path should consider herself in for a rare treat.

    Second question: I’m here to discover the Mu underneath all the BS. Who he is, what he’s all about, to be the best Mu that Mu can be. That’s wassup.

    Lemme say this…

    There’s a term in the Seduction community known as “Pump & Dump”. Basically, its you pickup a Broad, you screw her, and then kick her to the curb. A lot of my Brothers in the Game seem to really dig this strategy, and hey, I never knock a Man for whatever turns him on.

    But that ain’t my steez. My thing is, if I’m gonna put this kind of work into myself, I don’t want to associate with *any* Women whom “P&D” even comes to mind. Besides, I like to go Long & Deep on a Woman. This is because God said He gave Woman 9 parts of Desire, and it is my firm intention to touch on all those parts like Lionel Hampton plays the vibes, and one cannot do that in a night.

    So, I guess what I’m saying is that I’m more the Harem type. Afterall, I do the work of at least two Men; its only right that I get the Love of at least two Women, yes?

    And to do that, you can’t have the kinds of Women I mentioned above, they are mentally unfit for the exercise. You gotta have high quality Women for that. Hence, another reason why I Aim High.

    But yea, its important to get clear on why you’re doing this, Man. Know why you’re here. When you do, you will succeed.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  57. on January 9, 2009 at 12:40 am Cannon's Canon

    Kick a bitch:

    You authored my favorite response. If you’re ever in NYC, you should wrap on my window and I’ll throw on the movie ‘Ravenous.’ As i’ve said, I’m here to learn.

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  58. on January 9, 2009 at 12:45 am Cannon's Canon

    Mu,

    Keep what ya doin ya playa. Couple of dedications for you tonight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43LBoXllJKY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbWMvvzj79c

    Let’s go!

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  59. on January 9, 2009 at 12:56 am Mu'Min

    Yo Pike,
    I’m with Cannon, you gotta take into account who you’re Negging. Ideally it should be reserved for the Hotter Babes, I’d say whoever is above an 8.5 for you. You see, I ain’t really done the Neg thing yet, but I already understand it because in the hood there’s a strong tradition of “Bussin'” or “Snappin”” on folks. Its also known as Playing the Dozens, and I was a master of this when I was growing up. In my hood, you either had to be a Jock, a Rapper, a B-Boy or was really good at Bussin’ on folks, and I was definitely the latter. So Negging hot chicks will be a snap for me.

    The theory goes, the hotter the babe, the more you Neg. So, its cool to get the hottest chick you can find and just Neg her to death. Be like Ming the Merciless with it. The more you do it, the more they’ll want you.

    But if you get a chick w/LSE, then you can really do some damage. Gotta softpedal it, bro.

    Hope this helps.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  60. on January 8, 2009 at 11:36 pm Mu'Min

    Cannon,
    Thanks man. We gotta team up and do the damned thing someday.

    I’m a big fan of Inner Game, man. Since Women have a much more developed sense of smell than do Men, it is my contention that they can literally smell the fear of a Man, and if your shit aint congruent, inside and out, if you’re frame aint deeply rooted, she gonna hold up and you aint gonna get no nookie. So I’m down like a MFer w/strong IG.

    So, yea, what he says in the 16 Commandments of Poon (I’ve been studying this) is correct: don’t try to be a Renaissance Man. Specialize, and Do You. Find what your strengths are, and play to that.

    Again, Game is very much an internal, introspective journey, Man. Mystery says in his Method book, for example, that it takes a lot of work to make Peacock Theory work for you. I am a personal witness of this. Why?

    Because unless you know yourself, know who you are on the inside, under all the BS “training” our society gives out, the BS Nice Guy crap, etc, you’ll mess around and do dumb stuff that in the end will NOT get you laid. And as I’ve said before, if you can make a Woman say “Yes!” to a night with you, how in the hell you gonna make her say “Yes!” to a year, 5 years, a lifetime with you?

    So, Game, in my humble view, forces a Man to go within himself. It is there that you will find the real you, and that is what you want to bring out before the world.

    See, I have a very animalistic nature. In a way, you kinda have to in order to deal with the things I have in my life and come out on the other side. And the truth was, that I’d always been a bit afraid of the Primal side of myself.

    But last week, I discovered something: that when I got mad, and said “Fuck it”, and kicked the suits to the curb and had a I Don’t Give A Fuck attitude, things changed literally overnight. And that’s when I really got what Mystery was saying on the Peacock tip: you gotta do what works for you, and that “you” is the Man on the inside. Whoever he is, you gotta bring him out. For me, its a “bad ass”. I just like to keep a veneer of self-control over it, or s he put it, a “Cool Cat” exterior. But don’t get it twisted, and Females DO pick up on this about me, and hence the reason I loved J5’s suggestion for my aka “Obsidian”, there’s a lake of lava running thru Mu. What I learned last week, another “Paul Moment” as I like to put it, is that I am a deeply Passionate Man, and that I had to learn to fully embrace that. It is a source of great power for me.

    So, for you Cannon, yea, I’d say you gotta roll with whoever is on the inside. That takes a good bit of time in reflection, medtitation, or if you’re like me, lots of trial and error.

    Got lots of stuff running thru my head at this point, man. Oh, the homies t work now *really* want The Game/Mystery Method since they be seein a Brotha reading em every chance he get. LOL

    Holla back, son

    Salaam
    Mu

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  61. on January 9, 2009 at 1:39 am epiclolz

    @MuMin
    Yeah good point on only negging on 8.5+. I think this mistake is made often and you just end up looking like an asshole if you do it to someone far from the 10 scale. The second you see the jaw drop combined with a smile you know ITS ON though =)

    To those of you who hate on Negs… IMHO these are usually reserved for ladies who have never had anyone say anything negative about them their whole life and have a icy sense of overconfidence. If you are used to everyone kissing your ass… then someone who actually doesn’t is more interesting than someone who does. So in a way it is upholds symmetry. In that if they can dish out attitude they should be able to take it too. This goes for guys as well, if you neg, be prepared to get negged back.

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  62. on January 9, 2009 at 1:39 am Benito Hoover

    OT

    One more reason for “good” men to learn how to qualify women. Next time some guy complains about his divorce, let him read this.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/01/07/2009-01-07_long_island_doctor_richard_batista_to_es.html

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  63. on January 9, 2009 at 1:52 am Cannon's Canon

    @ epiclolz

    no disrespect my man, but that is verbatim what i got about two pages in from the ‘mystery method’ pdf file that usurped my convention back at the dawn of time. it was forwarded to me in a chain email. mu has been puttin in work, but stop sack hopping without a spelling bee thumbtack equivalent to add to our revelry. again, i know you mean well, but this is basic shit you’re repeating.

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  64. on January 9, 2009 at 1:58 am Mu'Min

    Epic,
    When a Female tries to go Head to Head with you, its an open Shit Test to me. And you gotta be prepared. Its fucking on the rhetorical plane; every verbal thrust she gives you have to be able to meet it three times over. You have to show her who’s Dominant in the exchange and that she will be brought under Subjection.

    So, when in a Neg Battle w/a Hotchick who thinks she can go 12 Rounds w/Muhammad Mu, Mu will unleash a torrent of Negs the likes of which she has never seen and will give her the distinct impression that she will get her back realigned messin’ w/Mu in bed. Never, ever, get caught up in such a scenario with nothing to say. Admittedly, this kind of exercise is only for those who are good at Improvisation.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  65. on January 9, 2009 at 3:29 am Cannon's Canon

    a bowl almost killed you AK!!!!

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  66. on January 9, 2009 at 7:32 am PA

    an opportunity to make an impression and show some leadership I called to the clerk to come and serve us.

    I think you did the right thing in principle, but the devil is in the detail. Was the clerk trying to help her but was also running around trying to multitask other duties, or was he being lazy & surly?

    With that in mind, did you call him over with the right degree of authority?

    The reason I’m asking is that there is a fine line between taking charge of a situation and abusing the help.

    With regards to the latter, being a dick and treating a clerk or a waiter abusively (incl. bad tipping) is definitely not Alpha.

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  67. on January 9, 2009 at 7:40 am Affe

    (pokes head out of tree)

    Cunt storm seems to have lifted.

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  68. on January 9, 2009 at 9:18 am He-man

    Mu’Min: Sometimes losing a battle helps to win the war.

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  69. on January 9, 2009 at 10:24 am Paul

    “Hmmm…not good. You will have to make this up to me. You will give me a shoulder massage when you see me, so limber up those hands.”

    Grade F. This falls into the “creepy” area.

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  70. on January 9, 2009 at 10:43 am epiclolz

    @cannon

    Understood, actually that particular rational I heard from a
    Senior Exec one time at a dinner, when he was explaining why he had to bust this girl’s balls all the time. He basically said the whole no one’s ever made fun of you so you need to learn how normal people are treated because you are attractive now and you won’t always be. So I think I remember that particular dialog language because it was interesting, but I guess he must have read MM too. But yeah I remember seeing that in MM as well as other places (the analogies are reused a lot), I think after internalizing the concepts so much, it is hard to remember the source of the arguments and it just flows out that way. Point taken Cannon.

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  71. on January 9, 2009 at 10:52 am Joe T.

    Following in Cannon’s footsteps with the prison line, I would text:

    “I can get you in next Friday. It’s just that before they lock me up the judge wants me to meet with all 6 of the victims’ families. That’s a lotta peeps. Holla back.”

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  72. on January 9, 2009 at 12:08 pm Mu'Min

    He Man:
    Please explain? Mu needs clarification. Thanks.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  73. on January 9, 2009 at 2:07 pm Cannon's Canon

    Joe T, why don’t you just rock out with a line like

    “I was gonna spend my wealth on you, but the government redistributed it all!”

    Play to your character strengths and what not.

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  74. on January 9, 2009 at 2:12 pm Cannon's Canon

    @ epic

    sounds like epic gaming. i hope he banged her.

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  75. on January 9, 2009 at 2:40 pm grammarian

    ‘Hey, good luck.’? Your period looks needy to me.

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  76. on January 9, 2009 at 4:58 pm whiskey

    I think people are missing the point.

    If you were attractive enough for the girl she would not have canceled, or would have canceled with an alternative date/venue.

    You just don’t have the attraction for the girl.

    So everything else is a waste of time, yours and hers.

    The dating universe in the urban professional environment is large, there is endless choice, so you are likely not to be attractive (as compared to the next best alternative) to most women. This is reality, unless you are a rockstar or hugely physically gifted and built and high status.

    The key for most men is not wasting time. Reality — you are in constant and never ending competition with other men for the attention/love/affection of women. Period. And this NEVER stops, even during dating, engagement, or marriage.

    Therefore, winnowing out women who are simply not interested is key and pursuing those who ARE interested is the best use of your limited romantic time/effort.

    Simple as that.

    If you’re George Clooney, or Brandon Flowers, that’s different, but then you would not be reading this blog anyway.

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  77. on January 9, 2009 at 5:01 pm tastexperience

    >>If you’re George Clooney, or Brandon Flowers, that’s different,

    Do people still listen to the Killers?

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  78. on January 9, 2009 at 6:31 pm whiskey

    Probably not but women KNOW Flowers is a big deal celebrity. And he’s less leathery say than Mickey Rourke or Vince Neil or that Rock of Love guy.

    Heck even DAVID SPADE can pull in formerly hot women like Teri Hatcher in her forties, who ten-fifteen years ago would have pretended Spade did not exist.

    Celebrity has it’s own power. Women on average fall all over themselves when it comes to famous men.

    There’s some ad about a woman impressed with sharing an elevator with Mary K Blige. Most men would not care less, since they judge women on hotness not celebrity.

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  79. on January 9, 2009 at 6:56 pm BasilRansom

    “I once spent a couple months experimenting by calling out all the flaky girls I met. I sent about eight “I don’t accept this sort of rudeness” style texts to them when they flaked. Result: Not one of those girls replied.”
    Confrontation via text will always seem weak. Ditto for phone and email. The soulfuck stare is the weapon of choice for shaming.

    El chief’s (whatever edit you like) won’t work most cases – the “assume she likes me” game doesn’t work at all if she does not like you.

    “texts don’t make a pussy wet.”
    They do, if she already likes you. Turning a situation around via text or phone is nigh-impossible, and not worth the headache.

    “But the level of concern with the optimal reply that some people demonstrate (not naming names) is ‘beta’ ”
    It’s technocratic, not beta. Except it becomes de facto beta because no response works.

    Bella Bella,
    You’re a chick right? So you may not realize how the slightest of stumbling blocks can prevent a lay. There are times when a girl will not go on a date with you, but if you happen to be in the same place at the same time, she’ll fuck you, eg, a house party at your house. College Freshmen are especially nutty like this. “Love will persevere” is bullshit. A bit of bad momentum after the first meet (aka Day 1) will usually kill things.

    Responding shows you did her the courtesy of acknowledging her message. Which you shouldn’t do, because she disrespected you by canceling. Try it with children – anytime they disrespect you, completely ignore them, as if they don’t exist, and they’ll be dying for your attention. If you give it back too easily, they’ll start shitting on you again.

    Someone said that for an apology to be meaningful, the apologizer has to give something up. True dat.

    Hey Whiskey and others: What does it mean if a girl agrees to a Day 2, fucks you, and then never returns calls/texts? This happened to me with two different girls, coincidentally the hottest girls I banged. This is in college – my explanation is that we didn’t know many people in common, our social circles don’t overlap much, and her friends told her, “who is he, he’s not in XYZ Alpha Frat?” First one didn’t sleepover despite my request, the other one, I foolishly decided to not sleep over hers, and was a bit of an ass to her after the sex.

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  80. on January 9, 2009 at 7:09 pm epiclolz

    So here is a thought, what is the appropriate response when you run into the tactical girls who use crying to manipulate people, should you just stop drop and roll the F out of there or say something like ‘yeah… you work them tears girl….’ (This is not being cruel, I’m particularly talking about situations where they get caught doing something sketchy and do the whole CRY CRY attack to divert attention from said sketchy behavior) My gut says just walk away.

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  81. on January 9, 2009 at 9:37 pm pike

    Thanks for the feedback guys. Now that the Jezebel wave has receded it’s nice getting back to working on being a better man.

    I should have realized when she started apologizing to the clerk that she was fragile and not have said anything negative at all. Like Mu, I should put that technique away until I have a better handle on the rest of the repertoire.

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  82. on January 9, 2009 at 11:28 pm Silver Lone Wolf

    Great blog.

    Not sure below comment is right venue but here goes…..

    Providing a PUA blog is a public benefit for all men, regardless of status or success.

    I have read probably 15 PUA books from the original R. Don Steel’s classic* to the more recent The Game, Mack and other hyped versions.

    One thing that seems to get lost in the shuffle is the golden rule: picking up women is a numbers game, pure and simple.

    Like Josef Stalin said: Quantity has a quality all its own.

    This one rule, if used with brutal screening, is an equalizer across all types of women, all geographies, all economics, all situations.

    A man who talks to 2 women a weekend will ALWAYS do exponentially worse than a man, who talks to 20. Granted 19 rejections a weekend would make any guy suicidal.

    Yet, even with a 99% failure rate, the 20x talker will be bedding more than 10 women a year.

    Many books/blogs/forums seem to have missed this and are obssesed with borderline-gay projection Alpha-male worship, or supporting club-going, skank-notch building or acronym collecting.

    I am in my late 30s, lone wolf, mediteranean, live in NYC; have a lifetime count in low 20s:

    -all women have been above 7
    -4 were perfect 10s: Elite FL Model Search, Lingerie Model, Centerfold/Stripper
    -one 10 took 8 years till it happend; true story
    -4 others were b-models: published photos, catalogs
    -early scores were all in 30s, while I was 20s
    -1 gang bang
    -Rest were a mix of 7s: goldiggers, cheerleaders, sluts nymphos, free hookers, and rough diamonds
    -In there is many a 6-9mos dry spell
    -walked away form another 15-30 lays that were below 6, diseased, time sinks, legal/$ black holes.

    My secret was to know which women to avoid: either b/c of quality, games, drama, or time-wasters who are keeping you from 7-9s

    I have yet to do bottle service, the last club I went to was in high school, and many of these women were happy to pay for my later dates, or cook or buy me presents.

    The money I have saved, goes to outward-achievable confirmations of status: sports car (used), slick threads, and nice pad (rented)

    Babe Ruth and many other hitters set records for strike outs…b/c they swung more than others; the top brokers on Wall St. still make 300+ cold calls…..its a numbers game.

    Dont ever, EVER forget this rule.

    Cheers. Keep up the execellent blog!

    *no relation/not spam…just the original & the best

    http://www.amazon.com/How-Date-Young-Women-over/dp/0962067156

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  83. on January 10, 2009 at 3:54 am Alex

    Hard to see how sending that text 10 minutes before the proposed meeting time was a good move. She’ll assume (rightfully) that you saw her cancellation text sometime in the intervening 24 hours, then deliberately waited to respond with a faux-offhand remark 10 minutes before the time of the date. And the content of the text — wishing her luck with her friend — shows that you were paying attention her plans a little too closely, rather than simply registering the fact that she canceled and then proceeding to forget about her. Definitely beta. A “Cool, goodluck” text would’ve been an apt reply if sent within a few hours of receiving the initial text, or failing that, total silence. The only sort of response that might be appropriate 10 minutes before the meeting time be something like “Just saw that we’re not on for today. Maybe another time.”

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  84. on January 10, 2009 at 4:22 am Alex

    Although, I think the very best response — terse, purposeful, and one that hasn’t been suggested yet — would be a simple “Ok” a few hours after the cancellation. Complete silence might suggest pouting, and all the others just convey masked disappointment or feigned nonchalance.

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  85. on January 10, 2009 at 4:37 am Mu'Min

    Silver Lone Wolf,
    EXCELLENT points, sir. You are 100% correct. It is a numbers game indeed.

    Since Babe Ruth was a bit before our time, I’d like to cosign your point by mentioning a more contemporary name: Michael Jordan.

    I’m sure the esteemed gentlemen of this forum will recall the IMAX movie featuring Jordan; in it he talks about the very thing you mentioned, about how people only remember the game winning shots he took, that *no one* remembers the game *losing* shots. They far outnumber the former.

    One of the hallmarks of being a Champion is having a Never Say Die attitude and outlook on Life.

    And, actually, I think Mystery would also agree with your POV, that the more Women you talk to, the more likely you are to be successful. Again, its a numbers game, the Law of Averages.

    A lot of times, I’ll just go out and talk to Women for the heck of it, just to see what’ll happen. Most of the time its just a nice interaction, but every so often, “click!”, things jump off the chain. So many guys are so focused on the “duds” that they loose sight of the “live rounds” so to speak.

    Have fun with it, gentlemen! That’s what this is all about. Adopt a “No Prob” mindset, it ain’t that deep. When you come off as too heavy, too deep, too morose, its a major turnoff to Females; it is Poon Repellent Par Excellence.

    Once again, biggups to the Silver Lone Wolf, don’t be a stranger, Brother.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  86. on January 10, 2009 at 11:16 am tokyojesusfist

    Have fun with it, gentlemen! That’s what this is all about.

    I’ve never seen anything so “fun” treated with such fanatical seriousness. You called me a lesser human being in another thread because I’m not good with women, and others have wished for my death for the same reason.

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  87. on March 4, 2009 at 2:03 pm mdaspinall

    aha – this happens loadz.. get used to it !! its just part of what they do. sooo a) they can flake coz they’re scared b) they can flake for genuine reasons c) they can flake coz they got a better offer d) they can flake coz …… (fill in yr own reasons here). Its ‘THEIR’ problem – do not make it yours. Spend yr precious time and resources on the other women you SHOULD have lined up.. The object is to have 2 or 3 dates on the same night.. GOT THAT ?? Only set up dates so you have fallback fucks, this leaves you with the dominant attitude.. If ALL flake then yr shit out of luck – but so fuckin what !! spend the night lining up 3 more. If they contact you bust em – tell em to fuck off, ignore em, tell em yr busy, whatever, act like they are pesky flies and then ONE TIME in a few weeks tell em to turn up then nail em…GOT IT guys ???
    and for the record even Brad bloody Pitt gets flaked on, so dont take it personally – once more its THEIR problem, and you don’t want a problem bird do ya ! MY text ? its get yr fat arse outta bed and over here/there wherever ! its a great night/day or similar.. OK Guys !

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  88. on November 25, 2010 at 5:53 pm walawala

    How to handle a flake?

    I’m interested in hearing from you on my response to a flake.

    I met a Chinese girl online. She was keen to meet up. We chatted, she showed me her tits on cam.

    About 2 hours before we’re set to meet up, she texts me: “Sorry can’t meet you today. another time maybe”. This was around 5:30pm. We were supposed to meet for drinks at 7;45.

    I waited until 11:30pm.

    Then I replied: “Batt died. just got this.”

    My thinking was she was a douchebag for flaking. I didn’t want to get angry or emotional. But I wanted to plant some doubt in her head about what was going through mine: “Did he show up? What’s he thinking of me?” Typically, Chinese girls hate people thinking badly of them and get very insecure when someone calls them on their bad behaviour.

    I wanted this to create questions. She never did reply.

    Any thoughts?

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