Asshole game with 25 year old foreign girlfriend
Her: I love Indian culture. The dancing, the colorful dresses, the religion…
Me: You love Bollywood? There’s no accounting for taste.
Her: [getting seriously agitated] Shut up! The Indian culture is beautiful.
Me: Hey, there’s an Indian guy who lives down the street. Go knock yourself out. You can get some of his culture long and hard.
Her: You’re an ignorant American. A child. What do you know.
Me: I know you’re being annoying.
Later — pussy dripping sex.
Asshole game with bartender chick
Me: [looking at her new hairstyle with a grimace] What did you do to your hair!?
Her: I got bangs! Jesus, fuck you.
Me: It doesn’t work for me.
Three months later — pussy dripping sex. And free drinks.
Asshole game with heavily tattooed chick in indie club
Me: Hi.
Her: [sighing] Just to let you know up front, I’m not interested.
Me: So you’re not going to introduce me to your cute friend?
Later — no sex, but pride as a man.
Asshole game with girl trying to break up with me in Starbucks
Her: I really think this isn’t going to work. I don’t want to do this anymore. Look at us.
Me: [slouching for maximum aloofness effect] I can read your face. You’re a bad liar. But if this is what you want then go ahead. I gotta admit you’re not easy to be in a relationship with. You’re a fucking pain in the ass.
Her: What’s that supposed to mean?!?
Later — six more months of pussy dripping sex.
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Note: Never smile when running asshole game. It’ll look like you’re backpedaling.
Is asshole game a variant of the notion that couples have sex after a fight? Or is the latter a variation of the former? ‘Cause it sounds like the same idea.
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Maybe in the sense that asshole game and couples’ fighting break up the monotony of dating and relationships.
Fighting may also activate areas of the brain that are associated with sexual arousal as well. Me personally, I just want to see if I can kill a bitch with my cock.
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A-hole game –
One of the beautiful secrets of the universe is the wetness created from this game. If it creates wetness, it is a truth, and truth is beautiful
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Care to either fill in the blanks or recount the times where it backfired or led to nothing?
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“Care to either fill in the blanks or recount the times where it backfired or led to nothing?”
Care to recount the times that being a cheese-dick nice guy backfired or led to nothing? Let me get my abacus.
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Of course, pride as a man. Heavily tatooed chicks are gross! Much worse than shaved chicks. But not as bad as chicks with pierced nipples (shudder)
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Chuck:
“Care to recount the times that being a cheese-dick nice guy backfired or led to nothing? Let me get my abacus.”
LOL. Quote of the month!
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I used to work for as complete asshole. He was hands down the worst supervisor I’ve ever had, and he was the director of a 60 person branch office. He was 40 and around 6’2.
One day I saw a picture of his ex. She was tall, manly, 20lb overweight, and had an unattractive face.
Verdict: Business leader assholes in the business world are not necessary assholes/sucessful/alphas with women.
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Care to either fill in the blanks or recount the times where it backfired or led to nothing?
it almost never backfired.
hint: if something doesn’t work with women, most men with self awareness stop doing it.
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Question,
Is fisting a girl on the first night of hooking up considered asshole game… or foreplay? I get so confused
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Heavily tatooed chicks are gross! Much worse than shaved chicks.
On the bright side, a heavily tattooed chick is more likely to have a GNP.
Peter
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These are some great examples of vag moisturizers.
This is what you do to make her pupils widen in astonished amazement.
However, the largest part of a-hole game is what you don’t do.
You do not whatever she expects you to do.
By failing her expectations you become/remain interesting and a challenge to her.
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Is ignoring her during a threesome with her roomate also Asshole game? Or is it just rude and keeping her in line?
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in ny (beginning of my asshole phase – few mos ago) i told a 9 bartender that she couldn’t dance (she was) in a bar full of penis (20:1 – saturday… no wonder they call it the meatpacking district)
upshot: got her to give me a bouncer escort
same night; told two lesbians i was the first guy they had ever been attracted to (still think it’s true to this day)
upshot: got a cup of icewater thrown on me
effin’ hilarity
[this period’s calming notches were… calming]
…..
weakness now is gauging/implementing progressive kino
a – nailed; 100% unstoppable ridiculousness – a few girls have let me use my game genie and level warp straight to the holy grail
c – working; 50% learning
s – limited; 10%
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The best vag moisturizer? Smack her in the face with a big wad of bills. Deep pocket game meets A-hole game. You can’t lose.
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P.S. That’s the actual opener
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How is the first example in this post different from failing a shit-test?
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Yo.
Asshole game is tight. Maybe not my asshole. But the game is tight.
I was swooping mad fly honeys in South Beach last week. I took them up in my space car. It was awesome swooping.
In my space car I started swooping these girls that I had swooped. That’s how I swoop. Swoop style.
When they took off my ten thousand dollar pants made from the pubic hair of polish nuns, i lifted my butt a little bit and presented my asshole to them. They totally went in there. That’s how us Gs roll. A little finger in the butt helps you bust a nut.
I love swooping.
-Dr. Deepdick
AKA the P-Holes Champ
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“Asshole game with heavily tattooed chick in indie club”
These chicks always have too many slut warning signs, proceed with caution.
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Hmmm… Every time I read a reference to fisting, I get differing emotions. I’m not sure I get the attraction. Do I want someone who can easily accommodate my whole fist? Nope. Do I like the fact that it is intensely sexual and dominant. Yep.
Still, I think I’ll pass. I’d enjoy some feedback from others on this.
Also, long time reader, short time poster. Great topic here. Nothing gets the proper sexual mojo back where it needs to be with my wife quicker than when I hit my limit and call her on her shit. I use it (A-Game) only when needed, with 100% effective results.
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It has occurred to me that not only a tautology, but a teleological question arises with respect to this “asshole” stuff…
What if it’s not the way roissy describes?
What if a beta cannot gain favor with a girl by being an asshole, no matter how hard he works his game, because a woman will only tolerate asshole behavior from a known alpha?
So if the guy is obviously a beta, any amount of asshole behavior he tries will immediately fall will a thud, and be interpreted as just another beta “jerk” trying to ingratiate himself… while if the guy is an obvious alpha, he can introduce himself for the first time using asshole game, and the girl will immediately get wet?
So, maybe it’s not the asshole behavior per se that works, but just that women have a much higher tolerance for asshole behavior from alphas?
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it’s worth pointing out that none of roissy’s asshole game is stuff you wouldn’t say to your guy friends (this is why I think it works actually.. for reasons similar to negs its a DHV, disqualification, expresses personality).
i’m just saying this so that some of the nerd commenters don’t get the wrong idea and go out actively insulting women in a way they wouldn’t insult their friends, e.g. saying “you suck. you’re an ugly loser.” with a straight face. etc.
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No wonder my ex-husband used to say such idiotic assholeish things. Apparently it makes most women horny. He always seemed bewildered that I wasn’t charmed out of my pants when he acted like a stupid jerk. His second wife, by the way, loves it when he acts that way. She can have him.
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What if a beta cannot gain favor with a girl by being an asshole, no matter how hard he works his game, because a woman will only tolerate asshole behavior from a known alpha?
It’s hard to go from beta to alpha, if you’ve already established herself as a Beta with her. But if she doesn’t know you, you are a blank slate in her eyes and if you start off with her on an Alpha foot, then so “far so good.”
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So the asshole gets laid, and the nice guy gets hugs. I guess that works out, and for each one of us, we can look in the mirror and feel good about ourselves with our respective methods.
Heavily tatooed chicks are gross!
I like porn girls with tatoos. 🙂
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Shut the fuck up DA
Nobody cares what you like…
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Actually the hugs get pretty tiring.
I basically had DA’s life until I learned game, except that I was always an extrovert, very social, and I had plenty of female friends, who were always willing to let me stay over and do nothing, because I had that lovely “non-rapist” vibe.
I also missed reading the signals of the times women WERE interested, and reverse-engineering my learning from the times I used game–and it was in the sense of control the input, control the frame, total mind-fuck, and I STILL had a tremendous handicap because the women were totally ordinary–I threw away about 20 potential partners, just by missing the signals.
Had lunch yesterday with “non-date-girlfriend” from high school. Still amazingly hot, still uninterested in me.
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Shut the fuck up DA
I won’t leave until Roissy bans my ass, so go away loser beta.
because I had that lovely “non-rapist” vibe
As a black man, that’s the best vibe you can have. People are a bit less likely to presume that you’re not the potential criminal du jour when you wander into “white spaces”.
I also missed reading the signals of the times women WERE interested
I’ve probably missed a few indications myself, but in the few cases that I suspected something, I presumed that something had to be wrong with the girl for her to show any interest. I generally take the default position that no girl could like me unless she has severe mental defects, and girls will fake their interest to simply extract something from me as evidenced from high school. Hell, I kept denying that “pretend girlfriend” liked me until her friend basically told me that she cried at her birthday party because I didn’t come, and yet I’ve still kept our relationship limited to hugs and drunken hand-holding.
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Joe T:
What if a beta cannot gain favor with a girl by being an asshole, no matter how hard he works his game, because a woman will only tolerate asshole behavior from a known alpha?
Of course, that’s absolutely the way it is. Roissy’s even posted on that a few times, I believe. Tactical game is never enough (well, at least not with quality girls)… a guy has to be giving off other alpha signals. But practicing tactical game really can lead to long-term success.
While one instance of trying out being an asshole will result in failure for a beta (read dick fuel’s amusing stories above), practice with it will yield results in the long terms. The first thing many betas need to get over is their feeling that attractive women must be appeased at all times. Asshole game is terrifying but salutary in this situation. Getting over this delusion can help them see themselves with more respect, which leads to standing up straighter, which leads to being able to look people straight in the eye at all times, which leads to being much more “alpha” even if they might never crack that top 5%. Which leads to being able to run asshole game and actually have it work. Make sense?
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BTW, I must add that while masturbation can serve as an effective replacement for sex with the average female, especially in light of my own lack of stamina, but one can’t replace hugs by hugging yourself.
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And, when too many chicks get too hip to this style of game, and start consciously resisting it, then what?
Do we pull up out their grills and start being nice, or escalate even further and make explicit threats?
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David Alexander:
but one can’t replace hugs by hugging yourself.
Please grow the fuck up.
Hope this hurts.
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Hope this hurts.
It didn’t hurt, but I think you need a hug from a pretty girl. 😛
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Ahem, guys, asshole game and unwarranted arrogance is to be directed at girls, not at each other.
Unless…you know, you swing that way. I don’t judge.
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What sort of head case turns a comment thread about Asshole game into a dicussion about HUGS?!?
Is there anybody in the sane Universe besides DA who wants to talk about how to get hugs?
Start your own loser blog DA. But you wouldn’t get any attention there, would you. The biggest losers are the poor LSE girls who have invested anything in your pitiful, self-absorbed, self-sabotaging ass.
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Joe T.:
Do we pull up out their grills and start being nice, or escalate even further and make explicit threats?
It comes down to calibration and congruence.
A beta trying out asshole game for the first time is asking for trouble.
Most of Roissy’s examples involve women with whom he had already established attraction. That makes all the difference in the world. In this sense, asshole game can be thought of as a spice – to be used sparingly.
The other time it is imperative to turn on asshole game is when the chick starts making a power-play or heavy shit-test and you need to put her in her place. That does indeed get the vag moisturized. In those cases being an asshole is required.
But asshole game as an opener or attractor absolutely needs to be calibrated. You have to be that kind of guy all the time. You have to OWN that shit. Otherwise, you will just look like a dick and your social market value will plummet.
The times when it works is if the girl’s SMV is much lower than your own. Think of busting some wisecracks on a fatty. Would probably work. But then again, what wouldn’t work on a fatty? At that point asshole game is superfluous. Poor sportsmanship.
Conversely, some greenhorn beta trying out asshole game on a 10 will most likely get blown out. Either slapped or yelled out. Don’t ask me how I know.
The utility of asshole game IMO is best reserved for when SMV disparities are ambiguous, i.e., within 1 or 2 points. In those cases, asshole game may just get you over the hump and establish your dominance right out of the gate. Good to go.
But of course, this assumes one can accurately perceive SMV accurately. You also need to be congruent with your base personality. In other words, you need to know yourself pretty well to calibrate that.
If you’re in a social setting with others around, you should also calibrate to the vibe of the place.
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DA,
You ought to write a book – How to Fail with Women. Don’t stop commenting, I’m laughing with you, not at you but you are deeply self-programmed for failure.
I too have blown some opportunities with some fabulous girls back in the day. Now I know where I screwed up. I’m married, happily, and trying to keep it going. A little game, now and then, seems to keep the respect and interest level up.
Roissy, did #2 change her hair back? Just curious.
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Joyce
No wonder my ex-husband used to say such idiotic assholeish things. Apparently it makes most women horny. He always seemed bewildered that I wasn’t charmed out of my pants when he acted like a stupid jerk. His second wife, by the way, loves it when he acts that way. She can have him.
Joyce you are a very smart woman.
@DA- I’ve found your older sister. I will post a link to her blog on your site.
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swoop style. dear god that’s hilarious.
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Fuck suck cocks WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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joe t.
What if a beta cannot gain favor with a girl by being an asshole, no matter how hard he works his game, because a woman will only tolerate asshole behavior from a known alpha?
joe, using your analysis we can conclude that a woman will tolerate pretty much anything from a known alpha because he is an alpha. and yet, we can easily observe that is not the case. alphas who act beta over a long enough time will slowly and certainly lose the respect of their women and any vagina moistening power they had.
many men have experienced the following: they got the girl with cocky asshole game and lost her because they acquired beta habits once they grew comfortable in the relationship. naturally, the more of a known alpha quantity you are at the outset, the more beta regression will have to occur before your woman drops below 50% attraction. david spade can afford less beta backsliding than johnny depp.
the truth is somewhere between your “natural alpha uber alles” theory and my “alpha traits can be effectively mimicked through game” real hope and change. you are right that a woman will tolerate less asshole behavior from an inborn beta (in fact, i have written a post about this phenomenon) than she would from an alpha, but that truism is not mutually exclusive with the observation that betas, by learning alpha behaviorisms, can press those same female attraction buttons the natural born alphas press.
congruency matters here. example: if you are acting david alexander level beta and suddenly turn cell block 6 asshole on a girl, you will get blown out. but if you keep your worst beta habits in check, you can incrementally apply asshole game with great results.
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“congruency matters here. example: if you are acting david alexander level beta and suddenly turn cell block 6 asshole on a girl, you will get blown out. but if you keep your worst beta habits in check, you can incrementally apply asshole game with great results.”
This is the same phenomenon that demarcates creepy behavior in betas and o m e g a s and endearing behavior in desirable males. A strong alpha could straight up follow a woman home from the grocery store and make something happen. A beta or less would get the cops called.
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David Alexander has a version of passive-aggressive Asshole game. The girls he has no interest in, and tries to brush off, are the ones that keep chasing him.
*Shudder*
These poor, deluded, egoless bottom feeders are turned on by the indifferent DA! Treating these headcases like shit turns them on, makes them chase after him just like a normal woman desiring a real alpha who acts like an asshole.
Asshole game for the average beta and beta provider needs to be calibrated for their SMV. But acting like an asshole – even only occasionally – would be a vast improvement over typical ‘nice-guy’, AFC game.
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DA:
It didn’t hurt, but I think you need a hug from a pretty girl.
I think you need to look into this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilic_infantilism
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Shouts to roissy for the asshole game posts, these are top notch.
I discovered my own asshole game by accident, basically when I would truly just have given up on girls, and just ‘do whatever’. Since, I’ve honed it more for general use, and I’ve had a few experiences like roissy’s.
Even a weekend ago, this FWB girl, she was telling me about some chump dude she’s seeing, and I was like ‘Oh this is really fun to talk about, I don’t wanna hear about betaboy…’ (I literally called him betaboy, strictly for my own entertainment), she keeps it up (I’m sure as part of her own game to get my attention and/or jealous), so I was like, ‘This is whack, take me home’, but… She still couldn’t resist givin’ me a bj before I left the car and went downtown with my friends.
Just do what you feel like instead of bending to her ways. It does you no justice, doesn’t turn her on, and henceforth: gets you no pussy.
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they must be on drugs.
low self steem.
(they’re normal, right? no mental illness involved?)
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Used to try asshole game when I was 16-18. It worked, girls were interested but still didn’t do anything because deep down I was still beta. In my case inner game wasn’t aligned with what I was openly conveying, to cut a long story short I didn’t get laid much.
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(they’re normal, right? no mental illness involved?)
maria, there are more horrors in truth, than are dreamt of in your worst nightmares.
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that explains a lot, my child.
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Maria: “they must be on drugs.
low self steem.
(they’re normal, right? no mental illness involved?)”
case in point it works. imo, when women tell you what they like in a guy, it’s a wonderful example of sexual repression: they cover up how they feel with guilt and shame about it, covering it with a sugar coated version that’s “the nice guy”. It’s OKAY to say that you like strong guys.
If what women said they like works… Then it’d be my aerospace engineer friend who owns a house in so cal and is very well to do, he listens to every chick and is the nicest guy ever who would be the best with chicks.
The reality is, my aerospace engineer friend, is basically stuck with his first girlfriend (also a boring dog) for the last five years.
It’s my buddy who’s a risk taker, flipping houses and playing poker without a “real job” who pulls tail like there’s no tomorrow (he’s a charmer, but, also an ‘uncaring asshole’ and doesn’t give a flying fuck or a rolling donut about the outcomes with women — and henceforth, rakes ’em in)
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Of course asshole game can be used by betas, and it will work. The point of asshole game is to put yourself in a ‘disqualification paradigm’. If you talk choosy, you become choosy. This stuff isn’t hard. Once you blurt out some shotgun neg/insult I find that you kind of back it up by default. It’s a strange feeling. Even if you feel like you’ve crossed into an uncertain land once it leaves your mouth, you stay solid even with graveyard inner game. The value chasm between you and the woman shortens, and the rest of the chat takes place in a much healthier place, for both of you.
And the effect of ‘subcoms’ can be overrated. Manytimes a girl will just be so shocked by your words that any beta incongruence is overlooked in the attraction-flame of the moment.
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roissy, can we get a back story on the chips and salsa?
speaking of, once i asked a pretty girl to dinner and before we even got down to talking i threw the chips and salsa in her face – salsa was in her eyes, all over he dress, etc. she was like “what the fuck was that for?” and i was just like “whatever”. she was blowing me literally 2 minutes later in the mens room. asshole game works fellas.
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Sebastian Flyte:
And the effect of ’subcoms’ can be overrated.
I’m not so sure. Maybe you’re right where inexperienced girls are concerned.
But I can remember post-coital conversations I’ve had in bed with experienced partygirl type chicks. They would tell me stories of their orbiters and just pick them apart. I had to stifle my shock at times because very often the things they were goofing on described *me* at one time or another. I suppose I’m lucky my huge dick blinds the chicks to my flaws.
Manytimes a girl will just be so shocked by your words that any beta incongruence is overlooked in the attraction-flame of the moment.
“Moment” being the operative word.
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I highly doubt asshole game would work for the majority of the guys out there. I think in order for it to work the guy MUST be good looking. I witnessed asshole game today. I was at the mall buying a new phone and the gal that was helping me was very pretty. A mail delivery guy comes up to us and he goes “Sara, you filled out the paperwork all wrong. I couldn’t understand it, then I knew that it could only be done by you. I guess you still don’t know how to do your job, eh?” She laughed and then said “thanks for embarrassing me” (she didn’t look embarrassed ). That was it, there was no lust or desire in her eyes. She barely even looked at the guy. The guy was VERY confident but definitely NOT attractive. It didn’t work for him!!
*hi roissy* 😉
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Except for in the last example, all of these lines could be delivered playfully and they wouldn’t come off as assholish.
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The point of asshole game is to put yourself in a ‘disqualification paradigm’.
Here is why I have an issue with that line of reasoning:
Disqualification in itself is at odds with leading. You need to approach, you need to escalate, push AND pull – you can’t just sit there pretend you are disinterested in her and wait to get laid. Simply won’t work.
When you are a beta, you can be disinterested in a girl and she still doesn’t get the hots for you.
You can also over-disqualify by becoming too much of an asshole (good luck crossing the line from cocky funny to pure rude cursing as in “shut the fuck up, whore”) or becoming too disinterested (she needs to feel that you accept her qualifying; she wants to be the special snowflake) etc.
I insist that there is a sexual component in asshole game. It literally suggests to a woman that she will get truly dominated and degraded in the bedroom – no fake dirty talk by an actual nice guy. If you get her with asshole game and fail to be a little rough in the sack you will see what I mean…
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Sebastian:
Asshole game and/or teasing tends to provoke a lot of shit tests and a beta will fail them.
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Bella, I don’t think the guy has to be goodlooking. He just needs to fit within her variety of preferences, and tailor it to her level of tolerance.
Being a bit of a bitch myself, I can’t tolerate a guy with no balls. So there’s a line between ballsy and pathetic that will put a guy within or below my radar range. If a guy is *trying* to be an asshole, it’s different from being honest and therefore sometimes coming off as an asshole.
I don’t try to be bitchy. I’m just clear about what I want and don’t, and have a line that if people cross it, they risk evisceration.
So guys might call this asshole game, but in Womanian, this is brutally honest nongame. This is a guy doing what he does and feeling how he feels, and expressing that regardless of whether or not it will win him some kind of approval.
It’s a game of not having a game. It’s not playing games and not apologizing for having testicles.
This, I would say, is something guys should hone in all areas of life, not just in trying to pick up women. Do it at work and at the coffee shop when they give you the wrong thing, and by the time you get to chicks, they’ll already be hoping you’ll talk to them because they saw you handle that waitress civilly but firmly.
I’d like to add that de-shaming your own sexuality, which results in being much more selective about who you bless with your sexual attention, goes pretty far in improving one’s asshole game. It has worked for every one of my friends who’ve tried it. Two are still holding out, but I think they’ll come around eventually…I hope.
…and Sara, I’m not suggesting anyone become an actual asshole, just be more assertive if they need to. There’s also the issue of honest advertisement. I’d rather know if a guy has certain issues before I get involved with him. I don’t like it when guys pretend to be nice, but are not.
Nice or not, you don’t get pearls by asking for popcorn.
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DA – Hugging?!?!?!
Jam you fucking dick in her mouth.
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I like this insight…
I don’t like it when guys pretend to be nice, but are not.
Nice guy game fails not because women don’t like nice guys so much as they don’t believe the act. The nice guy routine comes off as fake, even if it isn’t. Like a retail clerk telling you everything you try on looks good, women don’t trust a guy until they see his asshole side.
Betas trying to win a girl’s heart by being nice end up repulsing her with the fake nice act. The same applies to women. A girl throwing herself at a man and trying to be his doormat will have the opposite of the intended effect on the man.
Another part of Asshole game is being an assertive asshole to other assholes around you in front of the girl.
Not to the waitress, or the bartender, or the homeless guy on the street, etc., but to an unruly contractor, or a POS neighbor, or her cockblocking friends, being an assertive asshole will get her juices flowing as much as being an asshole towards her. Women love to witness the strength of men on display, in an appropriate context.
But you have to be careful not to be an asshole to the wrong people. You can quickly cross the line from cocky to creepy behavior.
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If these are particularly good examples of the efficacy of your asshole game, I think a lot of people are over rating how big a difference it makes.
1) Being sort of a pest to your current girlfriend. And then shock you managed to have sex with your own girlfriend. Big thumbs ups player.
2) Tease a bartender, 3 months pass. You finally have sex with her. All because you didn’t like her bangs. Or something.
3) Stock response to a stranger gets you nowhere, but this is satisfying for some reason.
4) This one might actually be an example of something. But again you’re already in an established a relationship you had a fight. And then stayed together. This is as common as a sunrise. Women tell lots of guys that a relationship isn’t working. Then guys do lots of different things and the relationship works or doesn’t.
I’d never say that being an asshole can’t work, but I think people focus on it too much because the fact that it works at all is counterintuitive. I
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Jam you fucking dick in her mouth.
Why, so she can chop it off or do a half-assed job of bringing me to orgasm, but a full-assed job of bringing pain?
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SMH@DA, you are really enjoying the attention tonight huh. Anyway, I left the link on your blog.
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“Sara, you filled out the paperwork all wrong. I couldn’t understand it, then I knew that it could only be done by you. I guess you still don’t know how to do your job, eh?”
Ya know, I hate to agree with Roissy, but I gotta go with him here: This is more an example of “invested asshole” game, which, as Roissy said, doesn’t work.
I’m not saying unattractive delivery guy has a shot, but maybe something more like (and for the love of Mike NOT in front of a fucking customer):
“Sara, you filled out the paperwork all wrong. Now I know you were distracted because you were looking forward to my visit. But if you focus on getting the paperwork right, then you can enjoy more quality time with me, so there’s your incentive for next time.” with a smile.
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I’d like to hear more on dealing with bitches trying to break up with you. I really like the asshole stance. I recently used it with success but later caved. Definitely gotta stick to your guns and have the mantra that she’s just a bitch and you don’t care whether she cums, stays, lays, or prays.
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Marvelous Bastard:
Yeah, maybe in a sheltered environment populated by timid and emasculated men (which, I’ll grant you, is a fair description of most of North America these days). Where I come from (Eastern Europe), with this strategy you’d soon be picking your teeth from the floor.
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Roissy, tight scribe work man… I’m surprised that anyone would think that asshole game wouldn’t work… there are more real world examples effective Asshole Game out in the wild than any other type of game. Just look around… every girl I know has a Rolodex full of these stories…. and they always outnumber the non-asshole ones… It’s funny, when ever I hear a girl say.. “I hate assholes”… or “I hate X behavior”… it’s like a giant banner pops up over her head saying… ‘I actually like X behavior (because all my other boyfriends did this) and you better behave this way or I’m going to throw you under the bus..’. I mean this is pretty much the equivalent of Bitch Game (like kthulah said earlier)…
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Vladimir, I feel that American men can do with more physical combat and less shooting or capitulating. There’s a happy medium somewhere between guns and wussity that Americans seem to have lost.
So they should set their inner cretin free, get their butt kicked a couple of times, and then it’ll mean more to them.
Epiclolz, bitch game is a must for those of us behind the Barbie curve. Otherwise, one walks around with an imaginary bullseye taped to their crotch. If a woman doesn’t behave like she thinks her stuff is worth the effort, then guys will agree with her presentation of herself.
…but like asshole game, bitch game is not behaving like a sociopath. It’s just standing up for yourself, and basically making your prospect feel more privileged to have your positive attention because not everyone gets it.
If I have to treat a guy like crap to keep his attention though, it starts to be annoying. I don’t know if it’s the same for men.
How do you balance between being assertive enough to attract women who like assertive men, and attracting women who hate themselves?
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I was always an extrovert, very social, and I had plenty of female friends, who were always willing to let me stay over and do nothing, because I had that lovely “non-rapist” vibe.
This is the perfect example of a personality type who can make huge strides with just a bit of game.
Anyway, anything that is both genuine, interesting, and confident works with women. That includes being truly nice — genuinely nice people are both rare and interesting. The thing is that a lot of “beta” types are full of resentment and bitterness and their “niceness” is more fear of offending people than anything else. Being an asshole makes them more genuine and bold and therefore more attractive. It’s more congruent.
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Tease a hardcore conservative chick about “chopper driver” George Bush, LOL! What a goof.
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Ok Roissy , so you handled those particular situations and shit tests well , but please add more to how all the pussy dripping sex eventuated.
You have left huuuge gaps between the two , and passing one shit test does not usually pussy dripping sex maketh.
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I almost missed this.
Tupac said, “The times when it works is if the girl’s SMV is much lower than your own. Think of busting some wisecracks on a fatty. Would probably work. But then again, what wouldn’t work on a fatty? At that point asshole game is superfluous. Poor sportsmanship.”
For the chubby chasers out there, the above is bad advice from a guy who doesn’t like fat chicks.
Best thing you can do if you don’t like fat women is just ignore them. If you do like them, then don’t crack on their weight because first, it makes you look like a tool a la Milgram, Pavlov and the like, and second, fat is one of those physical features that most tools would consider a severe disqualifier.
Hair, nails, and such, are easy to change, but weight loss takes some effort. So if you crack on a woman’s weight who is actually fat, you’re telling her she’s un-sexy to you in a way that she can’t fix overnight.
Therefore, she has nothing to lose by say, spilling her drink on you or having her friend who wants to screw her rearrange your priorities.
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Respect is 1000x more important than being liked. This is true for business, leading people, making real friends etc…. but I think ESPECIALLY true for the mating game.
Perception is king and I think that if you had to err on the side of Assholeness or Non-assholeness… you can hedge your bet safely by swaying towards assholeness.
If you look at a given situation you have basically 3 outcomes.
A) Your Ahole game works and they love you
B) Your Ahole game results in a neutral effect
C) You dodge a slap and they just think your an asshole….
C isn’t that bad… it is far better than apathy =)
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kthulah:
I almost missed this.
Tupac said, “The times when it works is if the girl’s SMV is much lower than your own. Think of busting some wisecracks on a fatty. Would probably work. But then again, what wouldn’t work on a fatty? At that point asshole game is superfluous. Poor sportsmanship.”
For the chubby chasers out there, the above is bad advice from a guy who doesn’t like fat chicks.
Dumbass. I was making the point that it would be unsportsmanlike to use asshole game on a fat chick because it would be unneccesary in most cases.
Although I suppose if a guy was a lesser beta (thereby making his SMV similar to hers) it might not be a bad idea. I don’t know for sure as I try to keep my mind out of those gutters.
In any event, asshole game isn’t just about negs. It’s about being insensitive, outrageous, cocky, callous, presumptuous and forward all wrapped up in one.
What you were talking about — calling attention to a fatty’s weight — is just being straight up insulting.
I would reserve that technique only for you, dear.
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Tupac said, “I would reserve that technique only for you, dear.”
…which only proves my point. You’d do it because you *don’t* want to get into my pants.
It’s saying, “You’re a fatass. You have no chance.”
That would probably give her the impression that oh, I dunno, she has no chance.
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kthulah:
…which only proves my point. You’d do it because you *don’t* want to get into my pants.
It’s saying, “You’re a fatass. You have no chance.”
Uhhh…yeah. *Insults* tend to have that effect. But no one here is talking about using insults as a technique.
That would probably give her the impression that oh, I dunno, she has no chance.
Like I said, asshole game is largely unnecessary on fatties. If you lay it on too thick you lose attainability in her eyes. It’s overkill. But again, I’m not the type to go for fatties so I won’t pretend to know all the intricacies of fatty hunting.
This is all just a more nuanced understanding of the old saw:
“Treat the premiums like discounts and the discounts like premiums.”
But enough of this fatty talk. I’m more interested in calibrating for The Hotts(tm).
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to real “hardcore conservatives”, george bush not only isn’t a conservative at all, but is a traitor of the party that is supposed to stand for conservatism.
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don’t things have to be intricate to have intricacies?
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Ah youth…
Tupac, asshole game is absolutely necessary in the pursuit of fatties. I don’t know if I mentioned the girl in my high school who unknowingly prepared me for my own ordeal. Her boyfriend was a grade A-is-for-asshole.
My mom was fat. My dad is one of those Alpha Christian dudes, and he can be downright frightening if you catch him wrong. My brothers and I joke that at such times, “He pulls the NIGGA out.”
If you pursue fatties, goths, or anybody “off the grid”, you have to be antisocial enough to be plausible.
Women have to really be butt ugly and repellant to not have *any* sexual prospects. Women have sex thrown at them constantly, and those who have socially inconvenient looks actually get a mix of guys pursuing them just for sex and open ridicule, or more subtle rejections day in and day out. Interspersed in there are guys pursuing commitment who give off a vibe of settling/self pity. This is not good either.
The guys who’s going to stand out is the one who zeros in on his target, and shows no care for what others have to say about it.
Gotta cut this short…messenger convo with antisocial civil engineer. :p
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Does A-hole game work better than this guy’s game?
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80495239/
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wow.
i know it’s gotten bad.
but… _this_ bad?
in my experience, as long as a man has even one of the holy trinity of non-status traits (good looks, wealth, athletic build) – and that trait even in moderate amounts – the extent of “game” he’ll require to score a fatty consists of … not ignoring her.
sometimes he’ll actually have to be seen walking out the door in proximity to her, but even that’s rare.
unless i am drastically underestimating the brutality of the modern mating environment, any man who actually needs “game” to score fatties is, in a word, unredeemable.
i live in what is perhaps america’s worst major metropolitan area for scoring chicks, and even around here it’s not that bad.
also, hon, there’s an adjective for “selective” fat women:
single.
what did she look like when they met?
yes, alcohol inhibits social awareness.
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J5 said, “in my experience, as long as a man has even one of the holy trinity of non-status traits (good looks, wealth, athletic build) – and that trait even in moderate amounts – the extent of “game” he’ll require to score a fatty consists of … not ignoring her.”
Gawd I hate sheeple.
You haven’t experienced shit, you meme regurgitating drone.
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this is not a good job of negging.
fail.
relevant question that you conveniently forgot to answer: how big was your mom when your scary big-boss alpha daddy fell under her spell?
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epiclolz:
“… every girl I know has a Rolodex full of these stories…. and they always outnumber the non-asshole ones… It’s funny, when ever I hear a girl say.. “I hate assholes”… or “I hate X behavior”… it’s like a giant banner pops up over her head saying… ”
Saying she banged every dude that treated her like shit, and now that she has banged enough/getting old/getting fat, she wants a stable man to finance her sexless future with him.
Saying that exactly that is what works for her, and even if you have a chance to miss by doing the exact same behavior, it has better chances of success than doing the things she does not “hate”, and as a bonus, there may be another target in the vicinity who will see you doing these “bad” things, and get attracted to you.
Always keep the radar on.
The woman who says the above things has a likelihood of being heavily damaged.
Thought I admit, some women say this and mean it. you have to judge it yourself. some exist. Btu if you want to bang, statistically you have better chances in translating “hate” to “gets me dripping like niagara”
Example chat:
A publicly non-slutty girl to me:
“There is this dude here, he makes my stomach funny”
“Like butterflies?”
“Yes. Like butterflies. But he is a player, he has so many women”
“And the dude who just said hi to you?”
“He is so nice, he is so kind, asking me out to dinner”
“But he is too nice, eh?”
“Yes, too nice. I know I should want him, but I want the other”
“I know”
This girl leaves alone, but 99 others may not.
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Bella Bella
You saw the same thing we witnessed about the jezebellers. Women HATE being approached by low status men. The same way the jezebellers complained about clerks, “salad men” and other low status guys who hadn’t built attraction and lacked in game approaching them in daylight, the girl in your example despised the guy’s approach. He wasn’t good looking, hadn’t built any prior attraction, had a job that was almost subordinated to hers, you saw no example of “game” coming from him etc etc
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J5, that was just a small taste of what you’d have to experience from fatties and other alternative chicks in the field.
Now the next lesson is that conversation ceases thereafter.
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“it’s worth pointing out that none of roissy’s asshole game is stuff you wouldn’t say to your guy friends…”
It seems to me that as long as being an asshole more or less means being truthful, it will work: i.e. calling a girl out on something (like you would your friends) instead of saying what you think she wants to hear (beta behavior). Even girls who don’t know that’s what they want will like it.
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“Tupac, asshole game is absolutely necessary in the pursuit of fatties. I don’t know if I mentioned the girl in my high school who unknowingly prepared me for my own ordeal. Her boyfriend was a grade A-is-for-asshole.”
Asshole game is not the least bit necessary for fatties.
Fatties are content to get laid period, by anyone willing to give them the time of day. You think they have enough self esteem to require good game? They get a reality check whenever they goto a bar and even skinny girls with sub-par faces are getting hit on while the cow-club hangouts out dancing alone or awkwardly in the corner.
Your friend’s boyfriend obviously had issues. Maybe he was butt-ugly. Maybe he was an outcast of sort. Maybe he had confidence whatsoever, which is why he settled for a fattie, and treated her like shit because he was angry inside that’s the best he had done. Either way, provided he’s not a troll, I’ll wager he’s upgraded over the years.
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None of this stuff is particularly “assholish.” It’s just classic cocky/funny game. It works because it conveys both confidence and that you’re not held in thrall by a woman’s beauty, a potently attractive combo to any woman. For the average beta who fails massively on both scores, the “asshole” heuristic is an easy one to follow that will probably increase his success. But there’s nothing magical about being an asshole per se, and at the higher levels, overplaying the asshole element will likely prove a hindrance. None of the biggest ladies’ men I’ve known have been what anyone would call an asshole (though they’re not “nice guys” either); what they do have is complete confidence in themselves, and the sort of cocky attitude toward women that communicates they’re not over-awed by them in the least. The Rhett Butler clips you linked to a while back were a great example. Rhett Butler, while something of a rogue, wasn’t really an asshole.
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“Tupac, asshole game is absolutely necessary in the pursuit of fatties. I don’t know if I mentioned the girl in my high school who unknowingly prepared me for my own ordeal. Her boyfriend was a grade A-is-for-asshole.”
Just because asshole game worked on the fatty doesn’t mean it was *necessary*. Running asshole game on a fatty is a waste of time, energy, and precious asshole game resources.
You could waste it just for practice, but its a futile effort as you won’t get honest feedback on your performance from the fatty.
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Re. fatties and a-hole game, I’ve noticed that fatties tend to be jaded and unpleasant type of women, and they really expect getting it rough.
I’ve never in my whole life hit on a fattie while sober, but in situations when I had to interact with them non-sexually, I’ve been dafault-nice (ie, polite and neutral)
And what I pick up on is that they desperately look for any opening in a guy, any vulnerability or show of weakness, that will allow them to demonstrate a superior SMV, for just one fleeting glorious second.
So for example, I remember once chilling in a bar with a friend who had a fattie girlfriend, and a fattie girlfriend of that chick, and we were drinking and talking. And what I noticed is that the unattached fattie tried really hard to get me to hit on her… and when I woudl simply talk to her, she’d super-neg me, just to either draw out my a-hole game, or to crush my “weakling nice guy beta” self.
Naturally, I refused to get drawn into that game, and kept things a-sexual and polite.
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Put
down
the button.
:: pretends to be shocked ::
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Indian girls = the best, so props period for that. if only i could find some more promiscuous ones.
as for the break-up game….i just say, cool or alright and walk out unfazed, with my look from when “I worked as a cashier at a grocery store in high school” look
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The Adventures of David Alexander
So I’m in my parent’s basement, trying to come up with ways to avoid Non-date, non-GF. She keeps texting me about some present she wants to give me. I can’t count the number of times I’ve sent a text to that dumb girl that I don’t want any presents. Giving me presents. Haha, like Roissy said, she must be a real slut.
So the girl comes over and says that she wants to take me to the park. Since I’ve just started a huge download of the entire Vivid Video collection in Blue Ray, my internet connection will be jacked for a while. Roissy hasn’t posted today either.
Since I don’t have anything else to do right now, I whimper, “okay, I guess. But you’re driving. And this isn’t a date, understand?”
We jump in my Kia Rio and she drives us to the park. She has some cheesy shit in a picnic basket, like a blanket and beer. What kind of crappy porno setup has food in it? It’s hard to look out the passenger window with my eyes rolled so far into my head.
During the long, silent car ride I think about all the great porno setups that take place in the car. Yeah, we could really make a hot porno in my Kia. If only she looked hotter and dressed sluttier.
Damn girl, don’t you know how to setup a good porn fantasy? This girl just doesn’t get it. One thing I know, no girl will ever make me happy if she isn’t as hot as a porno star, as slutty as a college freshman, who only likes to give me hugs whenever we aren’t performing wild sex acts on my webcam.
My soulmate is out there somewhere, I just know it. Too bad I’m too lazy to go find her.
We get to the park and she leads me over to sit on a park bench, I make sure to not lean towards her. Lying on the bench away from her makes me feel sleepy. What would Roissy do?
Anyway, this non-date date is turning out like the lamest porno setup ever. Walking with her through the park is harder than it used to be before I started reading Roissy’s lame blog. Every other step I have to stop dragging my feet, stop slouching, and try to walk like the ultimate Alpha – Roissy.
What was it again? Feet apart, one leg up in the air, hands on hips. Yeah, I think that’s it. Here I am, stud alpha, in the park on a non-date with my non-girlfriend, standing like a stud.
“Hey Captain” shouts the bitch pushing a stroller past us. Shit, I’m standing like Captain Morgan, not like an Alpha. Quick, drop leg, hands in pockets, eyes back on the ground. Damn, I need to practice that alpha stance shit I read about on Roissy.
We continue walking through the park. Worst porno set-up ever, I’m thinking. This kind of shit never does it for me. She should know that. Bitch.
Wha?
Look at that!
Holy shit… Running right at us. Sweat glistening off sculpted pecs. Rock hard abs flexing and twisting. Not an ounce of body fat. The sheen of sweat glimmers off of the curly locks framing a chiseled face like a Greek God. “Sup” he says to my non-GF as he jogs by us.
I almost faint. My pants are getting so tight I can barely walk. Amazingly, I’m not thinking about porn. Now this setup I can get into. If only he’d stop and run some game on my non-date, non-GF, maybe they would let me watch. But he keeps on running, a little faster now.
Damn my luck, my porno fantasies never come true.
Ignoring the alpha stud she clearly desires, she leads me to the far end of the park to a spot behind some bushes. Out of the way. No-one can see us back here.
Ugh, outdoor porno setups never do it for me. Too fake, someone could walk by or something. She’s probably just using me to bait some Alpha stud back here, ditching me at her first opportunity.
We sit down. “This is nice, isn’t it?” she says. “Just the two of us. No distractions…”
“Oh, yeah. Just fine” I say, startled back to reality from wondering about how my monster porno download is going. I hope my mom didn’t try to use the phone during my download. Dammit, I told her not to use the phone without asking me first. Bitch never learns. Some Alpha my pops is, not keeping her in line.
Okay, I’m ready to go home. Last time a girl asked me on a date, I ended up winning my date some fake prize for the night. And I didn’t even get a hand job out of it. I thought going to a sorority house with a bunch of hot white chicks was a great porno setup. But she just wanted to dance and show me off to all her friends. Boy, I was the life of the party that night. Everyone I talked to just kept laughing and laughing. I was on fire. Didn’t end up so well, though. Lesson learned. As Roissy says, don’t let them control the frame.
My God, non-date, non-gf’s got her head on my shoulder! Get it off! This girl is starting to give me the creeps. What? Now she’s putting her hand in my lap! My God, this bitch has no shame. Where’s the cheesy porno come-ons? Get with it girl! Step up your game, this shit is weak.
Now she’s unbuttoning my pants. Can my dick shrivel up any farther? She’s going to laugh at me. Not again. I push her away firmly, but she looks at me with those doe eyes. She wants me more the harder I push her away.
Shit, now she’s got my pecker out and she’s rubbing it trying to get it hard. If she only had a porno or something, I’d be hard as a rock.
So I slap the shit out of that bitch. Cold-cocked her right across the face. I don’t know where that came from, it was just like something out of GTA. Knocked her out cold.
Now she’s bleeding all over my crotch. My mom’s going to kill me. These are my new pants! I think there’s a tooth in all that blood. Shit.
If only I was near my computer. I could google how to dispose of a body. What was it that commenter said worked best? Acid? I need a butcher shop or Home Depot. Something. Think David, think, what would an alpha do?
Here I am, a black man with a knocked out white woman in my lap. No one will believe that she was trying to rape ME. I won’t last long in jail, my skin’s too soft. But I always liked porn setups in prison. MMMMM, prison sex. Except, no women. Shit, I bet they won’t even give me a hug after my unlubed ass-fuck.
Not hot, not hot at all. Why, why did I leave the house? Things always go wrong when I leave the house. Why don’t I learn? My computer and my XBox are my only true friends. Real porn never ends like this. Always the money shot, never jail time.
Oh well. What did that asshole commenter say? “Stick yo dick in her mouf,” or some other neaderthal thing? Maybe I should. That would be alpha, right? Roissy would, wouldn’t he? I mean, he gets all sorts of poon, surely he’s stuck his dick in an unconscious chick’s bloody mouth. Now that’s alpha.
DA won’t be a beta boy anymore!
MMMMMnnnn.
Gargle, cough, gasp, spit.
Shit, it’s to late, she’s coming to. I haven’t even done anything yet. Should I hit her again? Naa, too macho. She’s going hate me. No more hugs. That’s all I wanted anyway.
Bitch could’ve just hugged me back at the park bench. This non-date would have ended perfect. But no, she had to try and rape me. Turned me into an Asshole. Damn you Roissy and your ‘Asshole game’. See what you made me do!
Through my tears I see her looking at me, blood covering her chin and crusting on her cheek. It always feels good to cry. Too let it all out. Real men cry. Roissy don’t know alpha.
“i, i, i, I’m sorry. I must have bitten you!” she says as she surveys the scene. Her pupils are as big as saucers when she looks at me.
“Don’t cry, I didn’t mean to bite you. Sometimes I just get carried away.” She sputters as she tries to console me.
“I hate you” I blubber, my head in my hands. I can’t believe my luck. The worse I treat her, the more she wants me. I feel like I’m in an episode of the twilight zone. The bitch won’t take a hint. If only Roissy could see me now. He’d see that I was real man, not some fake alpha like him.
fin
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It really IS that bad in certain places, in certain subcultures. If you belong to an ethnic group that overvalues dating within “the tribe”, you wind up facing a 5’0″ 180lb 23-year-old who begins $hit-testing YOU. After all, she’s always had her pick of the betas. You wind up with a “race to the bottom” or “destroy the village in order to save it” approach where you simply WALK AWAY and remain alone. Also, ironically, f@t chicks–who sometimes really HAVE great personalities–are very, very difficult to squeeze IOIs out of because of their fear of rejection–if they like you, why should they risk the sm@ckdown they’ve gotten from tons of other guys? If you like them a bit too much, doesn’t that make you low value? And aren’t you just going to use them for $eX anyway? Normal 7s in high-value arenas are easier if you have game, but unless you find a desperate f@t chick, getting laid is never “easy” for a beta.
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kthulah:
If you pursue fatties, goths, or anybody “off the grid”, you have to be antisocial enough to be plausible.
For those types I believe the world you’re looking for is “unconventional”, not “anti-social”.
But chicks of all stripes are still chicks underneath whatever social costumes they put on.
Women have to really be butt ugly and repellant to not have *any* sexual prospects. Women have sex thrown at them constantly, and those who have socially inconvenient looks actually get a mix of guys pursuing them just for sex and open ridicule, or more subtle rejections day in and day out. Interspersed in there are guys pursuing commitment who give off a vibe of settling/self pity. This is not good either.
Granted. Every woman should have some self-respect and clear sense of boundaries. Fatties shouldn’t accept poor treatment just because they’re fatties. But they shouldn’t overcompensate either by putting on a tankgrrl front. It does no good.
And like I said above, no matter what costume a girl puts on (and this includes the blubber hiding her true self), she is still a girl with attraction switches that will be flipped by haughty/asshole game. For myself, I prefer not to go that route when regular game is sufficient. For fatties I just need to show up and smile.
For your own sake, I suggest keeping in mind something one of Roissy’s gal pals posted here long ago: She said he mother told her, “You can be a bitch, or you can be fat. But don’t be both. Nobody likes a fat bitch.”
N’est pas?
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Sweet sweet Jane:
It seems to me that as long as being an asshole more or less means being truthful, it will work: i.e. calling a girl out on something (like you would your friends) instead of saying what you think she wants to hear (beta behavior).
The exception being when she asks you about your philosophy of women. Usually not a good idea to tell the truth in those moments.
Oh, and when a liberal/progressive chick starts talking politics. Truth? They can’t handle the truth.
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I’ve had a guy or two try ahole lit game, it didn’t work they switched to Mr. gentleman. They were even man enough to apologize about being aholes. They didn’t get my number thought. If a man disrespects me, I have no use for him. I may even be tempted to get one of my brothers do beat the hell out of him.
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PA:
Re. fatties and a-hole game, I’ve noticed that fatties tend to be jaded and unpleasant type of women, and they really expect getting it rough.
You might be right PA. I guess it comes down to how much value you have in their eyes. If you’re way above what they’re used to, I think they will be somewhat deferential. OTOH if you are of the same value of the guy that pumped and dumped her the week before, you just might get some shit from her. Sad, really.
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Eurosabra:
It really IS that bad in certain places, in certain subcultures. If you belong to an ethnic group that overvalues dating within “the tribe”, you wind up facing a 5′0″ 180lb 23-year-old who begins $hit-testing YOU. After all, she’s always had her pick of the betas. You wind up with a “race to the bottom” or “destroy the village in order to save it” approach where you simply WALK AWAY and remain alone. Also, ironically, f@t chicks–who sometimes really HAVE great personalities–are very, very difficult to squeeze IOIs out of because of their fear of rejection–if they like you, why should they risk the sm@ckdown they’ve gotten from tons of other guys? If you like them a bit too much, doesn’t that make you low value? And aren’t you just going to use them for $eX anyway? Normal 7s in high-value arenas are easier if you have game, but unless you find a desperate f@t chick, getting laid is never “easy” for a beta.
Euro, I feel for you man. I know it’s tough out there. I don’t know all the details of your situation, but let me ask you something. Are you sarging solo? If so, I would highly recommend you buddy up with some guys. Not just PUA wingmen-types, but a crowd of real friends with whom you hang out and raise hell with. Some people in the seduction community tend to overvalue solo-sarging. While I give props to someone who goes it alone, the fact is things are much harder when you don’t have a group of guys who social-proof you and let your target know you’re not a creep. Just have a good time with your buddies at the watering hole and occassionally spit some game at a passing girl.
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Tupac Chopra:
The local lair is by-audition-only. You get interviewed and then you do approaches. No one really likes a newbie, there’s too much on the line, and they tend to set the bar high even if you propose to humbly wing. For whatever reason, the watering-hole crawl really works for some, but I find I have to calibrate, calibrate, calibrate, and work on alterna-chicks anyway. It’s hard work being someone you’re not (yet). Lounges are easier, but with a “nerd” persona–stylish glasses, jacket, and jeans–you still come off as too “non-Alpha” sometimes. Basically I felt I was being punished for not being tall and WASPY-good-looking. Well, no one ever said bookstore day game was going to be a panacea.
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Eurosabra, how tall are you if you don’t mind my asking.
In my experience, women who are very petite will go for a guy who is bellow 6 feet tall. A small number of tall women (USA) will date men who are a little shorter than they are. Agnostic mentioned he has been approached by tall women a few times.
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“Oh, and when a liberal/progressive chick starts talking politics. Truth?”
That’s the beauty of not caring. A few months back, some chick was talking about the election and she got going on abortion and “choice.”
I just said: “Who cares if abortion is illegal or not? The zygote or embryo or fetus or unborn baby is inside of a chick, she can find all sorts of ways to kill it if she wants to, regardless of legal issues. You could make abortion illegal tomorrow, and all that would happen is chicks would get abortificant recipes off the internet.”
That was fun.
“I’ve had a guy or two try ahole lit game, it didn’t work they switched to Mr. gentleman.”
Disaster for the man. That’s the problem with a-hole “game.” A guy has to then play it to the bone or he’s giving away that he was playing a game. Then, even if he really was a good guy, he can’t really sell Mr. Gentleman either. Stick to the script! Better yet, make sure the script reflects who you are so there’s no jarring gear shifts.
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Eurosaba Lounges are easier, but with a “nerd” persona–stylish glasses, jacket, and jeans–you still come off as too “non-Alpha” sometimes.
This is the type of look I’d like your my ideal man to have.
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hiphop dandy
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More Common and Kayne less Andre 3000.
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I just said: “Who cares if abortion is illegal or not? The zygote or embryo or fetus or unborn baby is inside of a chick, she can find all sorts of ways to kill it if she wants to, regardless of legal issues. You could make abortion illegal tomorrow, and all that would happen is chicks would get abortificant recipes off the internet.”
Keith, what he said is sooooo right. Women will just come up with other ways to abort if that’s why they really want to do.
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@z.g
I digg man, when I was younger someone taught me the theory of opposites… as in… what ever she says, she really meant the opposite…. AKA hit the mute button, and just observer behavior =) This is true for people in general I think though.
What is funny is that in this law class I had, the prof basically said… in law… what ever you think actually makes sense…. is probably wrong….. so he came to the same conclusion about practicing law.
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What is funny is that in this law class I had
😯
You studied law???
Your kind are not well liked around here or HS for that matter.
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Tupac said, “She said he mother told her, ‘You can be a bitch, or you can be fat. But don’t be both. Nobody likes a fat bitch.'”
I’d rather be respected than liked. If I can be neither, feared will do in a pinch.
Telling fat people to be nicer when people are dumping on them is like telling Black people to be uncle Toms so people will like them more. It’s a disgusting thing to suggest.
I don’t know about others, but my life improved dramatically when I stopped being nice. I was a bit thuggish in my youth, and then got kind of Oprah-ized into thinking I needed to open up and be a friendlier person.
Before, I could set my purse down around criminals, and come back and all my stuff would still be there. Fast forward 14 years, and I couldn’t even have a house party without worrying about who went into my room.
That was 2 years ago, and the end of nice for me. It was probably also the breakthrough that set my hormones right, and got the weight coming off and the muscle back on at a faster pace.
Being nice was literally killing me.
So my point is not to try to say that being fat isn’t a handicap in the dating market. What I’m saying is that no matter who you are or what you look like, one thing everybody needs to do for themselves is butch up.
I understand that not everybody is going to be a real deal rebel or whatever, but letting people, especially potential partners step on you, use you, or twist your head up, is a very bad thing.
Asshole game is what y’all call it, but I call it BE-ing. It may start as a kind of a game while you’re faking it to make it, but when you stop being a pushover, then you find the part of yourself that is truly kind, and extend it to those who really deserve it…not as an emotional bandaid for grown up crybabies who can’t stand to hear the word “no”.
See, accepting your place in this screwed up pecking order that has fuck all to do with nature is the absolute wrong thing to do. Don’t think about how you compare to others and desperately eat other people’s shite because you feel it would be too “arrogant” of you to ask for more. Just be who you are, want what you want, and do what you do to get it.
That’s not saying to be uncivil or unduly cruel. That’s to not put your head down so that someone else can feel taller. If you put your head down someone will just assume it’s your job to suck their cock or lick their ass.
So keep your head up…and if it means someone wouldn’t like you because of that, tell them to go fuck themselves.
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Telling fat people to be nicer when people are dumping on them is like telling Black people to be uncle Toms so people will like them more. It’s a disgusting thing to suggest
See DA, his behavior does not endear the White people here to him. Although, I must give DA some points, he seems to be getting better when it comes to his self-hatred.
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kthulah:
Tupac said, “She said he mother told her, ‘You can be a bitch, or you can be fat. But don’t be both. Nobody likes a fat bitch.’”
I’d rather be respected than liked. If I can be neither, feared will do in a pinch.
Telling fat people to be nicer when people are dumping on them is like telling Black people to be uncle Toms so people will like them more. It’s a disgusting thing to suggest.
I don’t know about others, but my life improved dramatically when I stopped being nice. I was a bit thuggish in my youth, and then got kind of Oprah-ized into thinking I needed to open up and be a friendlier person.
Before, I could set my purse down around criminals, and come back and all my stuff would still be there. Fast forward 14 years, and I couldn’t even have a house party without worrying about who went into my room.
That was 2 years ago, and the end of nice for me. It was probably also the breakthrough that set my hormones right, and got the weight coming off and the muscle back on at a faster pace.
Being nice was literally killing me.
So my point is not to try to say that being fat isn’t a handicap in the dating market. What I’m saying is that no matter who you are or what you look like, one thing everybody needs to do for themselves is butch up.
I understand that not everybody is going to be a real deal rebel or whatever, but letting people, especially potential partners step on you, use you, or twist your head up, is a very bad thing.
Asshole game is what y’all call it, but I call it BE-ing. It may start as a kind of a game while you’re faking it to make it, but when you stop being a pushover, then you find the part of yourself that is truly kind, and extend it to those who really deserve it…not as an emotional bandaid for grown up crybabies who can’t stand to hear the word “no”.
See, accepting your place in this screwed up pecking order that has fuck all to do with nature is the absolute wrong thing to do. Don’t think about how you compare to others and desperately eat other people’s shite because you feel it would be too “arrogant” of you to ask for more. Just be who you are, want what you want, and do what you do to get it.
That’s not saying to be uncivil or unduly cruel. That’s to not put your head down so that someone else can feel taller. If you put your head down someone will just assume it’s your job to suck their cock or lick their ass.
So keep your head up…and if it means someone wouldn’t like you because of that, tell them to go fuck themselves.
I think fatties should be turned into Soylent Green.
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Tupac, quoting some translated Rammstein lyrics, “Don’t forget to lick the plate clean.”
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[…] the danger it represents and its taboo nature. These types of girls are probably more receptive to asshole game and are higher in “primativeness.” See this post of Advocatus Diaboli’s in which […]
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to women who can’t believe this..
I’m an accomplished, confident, beautiful woman.. and all I want is a man who can hold my attention, and keep me hot for him. I’m wet just reading these.
just how I am.
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