Previously: Asshole Game: Day 1 and Asshole Game: Day 2
Uncaring asshole game will revitalize a flagging relationship and help keep the love strong.
One weeknight around 1 AM I got a frantic call from my girlfriend. She wailed that she had gotten into an accident and needed help. Looking over at my clock and realizing it was six hours until I had to get up for work, I sighed heavily and asked her if the accident was serious. She cried. “Whaat?? I don’t know, yes it’s serious! I don’t know what to do!” I told her to calm down and explain what happened. Between her sobs I could piece together the events. She had driven back from a job and was parallel parking on a street in her neighborhood close to her home, which was about a twenty minute walk from my place. In the process of parking, she had hit the SUV in front of her. Her car, presumably, was sticking out into the street a bit.
A parallel parking “accident”? There was no way I was rousing myself from my comfortable slumber and traipsing out there in the middle of the night to console her for a minor fender bump. How bad can a girl fuck up parallel parking? I thought for a second. My girlfriend was a skittish, uncoordinated driver. Stereotypically female behind the wheel. Yeah, if anyone could turn a parallel park job into a five car pileup it would be her. Then I thought about where she was parked. Her neighborhood was sketchy (i.e not enough SWPLs had moved in yet). If I were a girl, I wouldn’t walk around there at 1 AM. I thought some more.
“Look, just leave your car there and go home. It’s late. Get some sleep. I have to work tomorrow. We’ll check out your car in the morning. Whatever happened, it can’t be that bad, so stop freaking out about it. You just bumped a fender.”
“I can’t just leave it!” She was really crying now. “You have to come! Please, take a look. It’s bad. I don’t like standing out here. It’s dark and there are weirdos walking around. Just help me!”
Fucking Christ. “Don’t make a big fucking production out of this! You bumped your car, it’s not a huge deal to get worked up over. Calm down and just walk home. I’ll be there in the morning.”
“Please come, pleeeeeease!!!”
Annoyed that my sleep was interrupted, and irritated with my girlfriend for spazzing out over nothing, I drove to the scene of the tardishness. She was pacing next to her car, arms crossed, tears running down her face. I examined the car. Holy shit. There was a giant gouge in the right front panel where she had turned the car too early as she was backing up into the empty parking spot. I couldn’t believe someone could cause that much damage from parallel parking, not even a hysterical girl.
“What the hell did you do?!”
She explained that once her car bumped into the SUV up front, instead of doing the logical thing and pulling out to try again, she had freaked out and kept her foot on the gas pedal, trying to force her tiny Toyota into the spot. Result: A deep resale value-killing indentation from her car grinding into the bumper of the SUV. I get exasperated with stupidity, so I gave her the cold, hard stare of contempt.
“Give me the keys.”
I pulled her car forward and parked it in the empty spot without incident.
“I wanted you to come help. I was scared out here.”
I pointed at her house across the street. “You could’ve pulled your car out and parked like a normal human being, and then gone home instead of dragging me out here for nothing. Don’t play these little drama acts with me.”
She looked down at the ground. The streetlight reflected off her tear streaked face. “What will we do about the car now?”
“I don’t know. We’ll talk about it tomorrow.” I didn’t offer her to come back to my place. “Try not to think about it and go to sleep.”
The next evening she was at my place, apologetic but also hurt that I didn’t rush to her side like a white knight. I barely paid her feelings any heed. Her pain simply didn’t register. That night, we watched porn and I did her in the ass for the first time. She welcomed my meaty intrusion.
When I told a good friend what had happened, the words he used to describe me were “Grade A schmuck. Complete asshole.” Then he wondered why she was still with me and said I didn’t deserve her.
She and I stayed together for another year. The sex was always available and her pussy moist. She never had a “headache”. She accepted my facials with clocklike regularity. In hindsight, she fit the description of a Neurotic Waif perfectly, with elements of the Eternal Ingenue.
The best Asshole Game is when the assholery comes naturally and effortlessly. What I did was not good by most people’s definition of the good, but there’s no denying it worked. After that incident, she was in love with me more than ever.

Does the picture actually have anything to do with this story?
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I just don’t get this one.
You weren’t nice about it, but you *did* go out there and help. The real asshole wouldn’t have. Maybe her expectations were low enough so that your minimal effort earned her appreciation and the subsequent anal…
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Fail. This isn’t “game”. Just some stupid shit that happened with your dumb-ass girl.
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“That night, we watched porn and I did her in the ass for the first time. She welcomed my meaty intrusion”
Roissy, you never fail to stay classy!
I think every guy has had this type of situation at least once and the a-hole approach is the best way to handle it, I’m not a mechanic and I’m not your daddy so put on your big girl panties and handle it.
Rushing to help with every problem that a chick has screams beta.
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Thanks for the advice Roissy, I would have never thought that the best way to handle a situation like this was to be a jerk, but rather to comfort her, it’s strange how women work.
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The thing that really strikes me about this is I don’t think you did anything so bad. I probably would have been a little bit nicer to her and a little bit less agitated (not for game reasons but just because it’s my temperament). I mean supposing you were a saint and came rushing out to help would she have actually been in a better position? No, her car would have still had the dent and life would have continued as normal.
I don’t consider myself an asshole, but at the same time I time I don’t like drama and childishness. I won’t participate in it and I won’t reward it. I would have probably told her “you woke me up in the middle of the night because you dented your car, this is something I would expect a grownup to be able to handle on their own. Go to bed and get a good night’s sleep. I’ll talk to you tomorrow.”
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Did she have a GNP?
Peter
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Is your friend secretly resentful of your successes?
The nicest thing I ever heard from a dude was about ten years ago, when one of my two o m e g a-male friends (not “Ace” but “Mike,” the confident techno geek) saw me with a new girlfriend, a cute legy blonde, and said in exasperation:
“PA, don’t get me wrong, you’re my friend and all, but I just don’t get it. How is it that you are such an asshole, and yet you get all the ladies?”
You did exactly the right thing, in the right measure.
By coming there, you ensured that she was physically and legally OK (if she had gouged the SUV, she’d probably not known to leave a note or something)
By being matter-of-fact, you calmed her down and reasurred her that the accident was no big deal.
By being stern, you didn’t let her get away with drama at 1AM on a worknight.
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My take on assholery is to just act naturally.
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Asshole my ass… you actually went to the scene! You are fake, real assholes would tell her to shut the fuck up and call someone else aka “beta-friend or pussy whipped chap.” Compassion isn’t part of asshole and you caved in. EPIC FAIL! She guilt tripped you into going and you know that you caved in. She even told you it was a fender bender…
YOU ARE FAKE! You pretend to be an asshole. Seriously stop pretending to be one.
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Roissy:
To follow up on PA’s comment, I have to question whether any of this was really assholery.
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Off topic, but a medical study now shows that women with high levels of estrogen are more likely to cheat on their partners. Hasn’t it been the conventional wisdom that women with high levels of testosterone are the cheaters?
Peter
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you took that picture in Toronto.
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Wow. I see your point with the assholeishness, but think this may have been taking things too far. I am a lady (and in admitting such, obviously brace myself for an inevitable tearing down you sometimes delight your readers with). As a lady I do find myself reacting to uncaring assholeishness with a drive to pursue my object of desire, to a point. It does sometimes heighten desire. It IS a game.
However if I was in a similar situation and my lover acted the way you did it would be far more off putting, horrifying. An accident, even a fender bender, is not an every day occurrence (unless she was the sort of driving duntz that should have her license revoked) and as such should not be an event that involves “game playing”. It’s dark, she’s panicking, scared and shaking like a leaf. She is looking for a “white knight” to rescue her rather than an insensitive asshole. I guarantee a “white knight” in this instance would get banged the night of the accident, and gladly, for behaving as her rescuer. Accidents or other life-threatening events generally arouse desire. According to your account, it wasn’t until the next day before you got laid. I’m willing to bet you did something the next day to gain back her affection or interest, even if unconsciously. Either that or you were dealing with the equivalent of a “beta female”, which really, is quite as equally disgusting as a “beta male”.
I understand that the techniques and behavior you write about are more about getting laid than forming any sort of long term bond with an equal partner. However I think an alpha male can also be a gentleman. After all, there are more ways than one to win affection.
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My hope for Roissy, and all men who follow his path, is that in time an experience of a truly trusting and intimate relationship comes their way. This can heal much and reduce the need to belittle women. Ironically, that healing relationship will probably come via a patient and wise woman who can see past all the bullshit typified by this blog.
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Colin Bowel
Fail. This isn’t “game”. Just some stupid shit that happened with your dumb-ass girl.
-no, his response when roused from slumber led to anal sex and increased devotion on her part. ie: GAME.
-quit being a hater.
Forrest – go get some Vagisil
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— An accident, even a fender bender, is not an every day occurrence … and as such should not be an event that involves “game playing”.
He took it seriously by arriving on the scene. It doesn’t say anywhere that he had to be nice about it.
— It’s dark, she’s panicking, scared and shaking like a leaf.
His arrival and casual attitude reassured her much more than if he had overreacted to the accident or run around like a headless chicken.
— She is looking for a “white knight” to rescue her rather than an insensitive asshole.
Again, he was there, and with a knightly calm.
— However I think an alpha male can also be a gentleman.
If a druk driver had smashed her car and broken her leg at 1 AM in a slum, I’m sure Roissy woudl have been more urgent and compassionate-acting. In this case, he was exactly the gentleman he needed to be.
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After that incident, she was in love with me more than ever.
Delusional much? LOVE? LOL That wasn’t love, it was hormonal addiction/dependency. How many times do you need to be told? Any asshole would have sufficed; for you OR her. Get a grip, roissy. Your ego has completely taken over your life.
Forrest
My hope for Roissy, and all men who follow his path, is that in time an experience of a truly trusting and intimate relationship comes their way. This can heal much and reduce the need to belittle women. Ironically, that healing relationship will probably come via a patient and wise woman who can see past all the bullshit typified by this blog.
You haven’t been here much, have you? Sorry, Forrest, but Mother Teresa died in 1997, and she wasn’t roissy’s type anyway. Unfortunately the “role” of asshole has become so ingrained, that I doubt he could ever stop being one long enough to attract a quality woman. After all he stayed with this wretched creature for an entire year.
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I don’t know if this is true assholery or not. I’ve done worse, and I don’t really fall into the asshole type. The real effectiveness here is that you kept her on her toes. She didn’t know if you were mad at her, if she did something wrong, or if you didn’t give a shit. Women are used to having certainty from their men, and when that certainty is yanked from under them; when they don’t even know if they were in the wrong or not, is when they are most vulnerable to a attack from the flank.
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i don’t think you were being an asshole. you were just treating her like you would a male.
if your male buddy had done the same thing, you probably would have done the same thing too, except (i presume) not fucked him in the ass later. you would have called him a fucking pussy though.
i don’t think women want us to treat them like assholes, i just think they (hindbrain) don’t want special treatment. they want to be treated like adults, or even children, but not like goddesses upon a pedestal. of course their bizarro-world cerebellums *say* they want the goddess treatment.
i would like to treat women like adults, but usually have to treat them like children, since that’s how they act.
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I think that study linked to really says that prettier women are more likely to cheat. Which makes sense, since she has more options.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090114/hl_nm/us_estrogen_affairs
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i think the “assholery” in this scenario really demonstrated unflappable, capable mastery of a situation that she was hysterical about. your calm, unconcerned demeanor proved to her that a) she was a hysterical silly twit and b) you could take care of her in a bad situation and c) because of a), she needs you.
could that the panty moistening aspect of it?
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Pic was taken in the distellery district Toronto.
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sara I,
please take a tip from the lesbinazi/environmental whackjob cults you follow and DO NOT BREED.
this has been a friendly reminder from darwinism: wishing the useless people would just up and die already.
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Roissy
I don’t know you, but I suspect your success with women has very little to do with game. None of the guys I know who are really good with women have good game (ie. Being socially adroit). In fact, a lot of these guys say the stupidest shit. Take my my trainer, for instance, he was telling me how his girlfriend caught him hanging out with his ex at a club. And he hadn’t told his ex, he had a girlfriend either. His response?
Trainer to girlfriend: Listen, yo, if I had told you I was hanging out with her, you would have gotten angry and jealous and insecure.
Trainer to ex-girlfriend: And yo, if I had told you about my girlfriend, the same thing…..so I didn’t.
Me: Did it work?
Trainer: We had a threesome.
Me: Bullshit. (Thinking that is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard.)
Trainer whips out cell phone and shows me pictures. Now my trainer is a Hispanic guy with a nice tan and a great physique. He’s won some body building contests. It doesn’t really matter what he says, girls want to fuck him.
Same goes with some of my other friends who are good with women. They’ve got something going for them. Looks, brains, money, funny, etc… and they’re confident because of it. And they can say truly stupid things and get girls. It has more to do with the vibe you give off than what you say. When I’ve got that vibe going, I know I can get away with saying stupid things and the girls will still be attracted. What you say really doesn’t matter. It’s how you come off. If you have some solid fundamentals going for you and you’ve got the confidence to boot, it doesn’t matter if you’re a nice guy or an asshole. I won’t say game is irrelevant but it’s really not that important.
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@Realists’ whole fucking post:
I’m chomping at the bit to rip this piece of shit post apart, but I have to go take a 3 hour lunch. Quickly though,
“They’ve got something going for them. Looks, brains, money, funny, etc… and they’re confident because of it. And they can say truly stupid things and get girls.”
Game falls into the same category, wrinkle stick.
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Roissy is such a good writer of fiction – hurrah!
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“The high-estrogen women also reported more sexual behavior — especially outside of a relationship, although it was not linked to one-night stands.
“Our results are consistent with the possibility that highly fertile women are not easily satisfied by their long-term partners and are especially motivated to become acquainted with other, presumably more desirable, men,” they concluded.”
– http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090114/hl_nm/us_estrogen_affairs
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However I think an alpha male can also be a gentleman.
And a gentleman would be emotional in that situation? Or would he calm the woman down and tell her that things will get fixed so she won’t worry? What feels better – if a strong man tells you everything will be alright or a guy who doesn’t know what to do other than joining in the drama by becoming emotional (“ooooh, poor girl – I am so sorry for you”) himself?
We need a term here for the perpetual arm chair philosophical, frontal-lobish wishful-thinking arguments of women on this board who do not understand their own psychology. It is too tedious.
roissy and (as so often when it comes to handling women in relationships) PA are dead on.
A woman in tears and drama needs someone calm. A rock in the stormy sea.
There is a reason she is calling her boyfriend and not one of her friends who might console her and/or just stand there and thereby cry and make matters worse. In a woman’s mind a true man is not supposed to be there to fix the car – he is there to fix her emotions.
For the woman the car doesn’t matter that much. The emotions matter. Women do not worry, get upset or freak out about jobs, money or a broken car. They worry about theirs and others feelings.
Consoling her is appreciating her drama – and thereby amplifying it. Ever wondered why the sobbing gets worse once she puts her head on her shoulder and you start petting her?
Women love anal, but they need a really deep connection to enjoy it fully. She didn’t offer it in gratitude. She was ready for it because she learned that roissy is in control of himself.
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That wasn’t love, it was hormonal
Uhm, what do you think that the basis of love is?
Hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
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This is the first time your story strikes me as either amateurish or not correct.
I agree with “King” above.
First of all, a real asshole wouldn’t have answered the phone at that time of night. Not for a girlfriend; not for anyone else. I wouldn’t have. In fact, I haven’t.
Second, having the answered the phone, since you lived so close you should have ordered her to walk to your place, or (if it would really have been too dangerous), told her you were ordering her a cab to bring her to your place.
I’ve actually done the aforementioned, and I can assure you I would *never* have gone out there. Perhaps I am an asshole.
You disappoint me, Roissy. I’m genuinely surprised.
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awesome,just awesome. I recently had a girl i am developing a thing for have her car break down. I was totally the good helpful beta!! FUCK ME!! Does any book or course teach Asshole Game..this is pure gold!!!!!
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you guys quote from wikipedia as your sources? how beta. that site has been proven to be at least 25% inaccurate. read the original source material.
The Oxycotin Hypothesis has been proved a myth.
And yes, I know I’m a nerd. been called that before on this blog.
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meant “Oxytocin”
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Nothing like a dumbass bitch who can’t think for herself. Seriously, if she can’t handle a fucking fender-bender brought about by parking, how the fuck does this bitch get by in her day-to-day life?
Bitches never cease to amaze me regarding just how fucking worthless they are (aside from bouncing on my cock).
The proof is in the pudding. Bravo to Roissy for letting this bitch know just how fucking stupid she is. For fuck’s sake bitch, grow the fuck up.
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@ Chuckie
Relax and calm down Chuckie. It’s just a conversation. No need to get worked up.
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redhead, you are not a nerd, you are a moron.
Or can you provide any (scientific) reference to your claim that the”oxytocin hypothesis” has been “disproved”?
Here are “some” of mine:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/portal/utils/pageresolver.fcgi?log$=activity&recordid=1231963374066912
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fixed link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=oxytocin+pair%20binding
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redhead: you guys quote from wikipedia as your sources? how beta. that site has been proven to be at least 25% inaccurate.
Care to provide a reference for this claim?
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What kind of an idiot calls someone a beta for referencing wikipedia? No matter how accurate it is your little generic insult betrays you as a dullard whose opinion is worth as much as a cup of hot chocolate on the fourth of july. You aren’t a nerd. Nerds are smart.
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“Nerds are smart”
nerds study a lot or spend a lot of time in anti-social activities (i.e WoW). “Smart” is to strong for a nerd. Nerds have difficulties in discussions outside their object of study or anti-social activity. Such an argument, “quoting wikipedia is beta” is an example of nerd’s difficulty to communicate to non-nerds
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> We need a term here for the perpetual arm chair philosophical, frontal-lobish wishful-thinking arguments of women on this board who do not understand their own psychology.
“Coaster”? As in the SWPL people who inhabit the big cities on the east and west Coast of North America.
Someone who ”coasts” through arguments without thinking, or bothering to think about statistics and rather “coasts” through major life decisions using knee-jerk opinion reflexes. One who has attended an Ivy League school, yet “coasts” to a medium-high GPA by taking programs that end in “studies” rather than ”-ology”.
Also something that I use to absorb the moisture from the Bud that I’ve slammed down it’s face while I give her the deep pounding her sigmoid craves. Simultaneous reading of the New York times optional. Manolo Blahniks prohibited — clear heels only.
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I’m still processing the “oh I bumped the car, I’ll call my boyfriend” decision. I’d pay good money to know in person these morons you date, roissy. Will you keep you decision of dating little girls when you’re 40?
this might get worse.
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@ 11minutes
There is a reason she is calling her boyfriend and not one of her friends who might console her and/or just stand there and thereby cry and make matters worse. In a woman’s mind a true man is not supposed to be there to fix the car – he is there to fix her emotions.
Fix her emotions? You’ve got to be kidding me. No one can ‘fix’ anyone’s emotions. If a woman says she needs you to make her feel better or that you’ve made her feel bad/upset/[insert negative emotion], she’s proves her emotional immaturity a thousand times over.
It’s okay for her (or anyone) to feel however they’re feeling. Emotions make us human. What constitutes our character is how we react to those emotions.
I have and continue to call out any woman that accuses me with “you’re making me feel bad”. Nope. You’re choosing to feel bad. Whether it be almost a knee-jerk reaction based on genes, social environment, upbringing and personal experiences, one still has the power to choose how they react in any given situation. Each person’s degree of control and freedom to do so varies with how much they’ve exercised their ability to choose. Now if you get to the point that you lose your ability to choose…you’re no longer human. You’re just an animal reacting to primitive impulses. While that can be fun sometimes, you don’t have any conscious control over your life.
Long story short: If woman says “you’re making me feel bad” or ‘fix me’, walk her ass over to a shrink. I hear they make a living off of fixing people.
Emotionally mature women don’t need fixing. Direction/Leadership/Strength yes, fixing no.
You fix what’s broken.
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Holy shit, I had an almost similiar experience that this dude had with an idiot woman who couldn’t drive for shit. I threw every excuse at her to not come and help, that it was nothing, don’t worry, we’ll take care of it tomorrow, the whole nine. This chick wouldn’t stop. I finally went out and got the dumb ass. The only difference is that I did take her back to my place and did an ass to mouth job on her.
Realistically, the guy had to answer the phone and eventually get out of bed and go and help the hysterical bitch. He was still the perfect asshole in the way he handled it. Roissy said it best, assholery has to come naturally and effortlessly and for us men, it really shouldn’t be that hard to be an asshole to these fucked up bitches.
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Ethan: bravo!
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**redhead: you guys quote from wikipedia as your sources? how beta. that site has been proven to be at least 25% inaccurate.
Heman: Care to provide a reference for this claim?**
Wikipedia.
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i can’t help but wonder what the G Manifesto would do in a situation like this.
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I actually tried to go to G’s site today but it didnt work – maybe he got busted by the Feds.
Regarding this week’s subject matter, I feel like the last couple days posts have been pretty weak, though I wont deny being an asshole is generally a good approach – but as with all game, its about delivery, style, etc.
In a similar situation to the one in today’s post, I had an ex that would call me with similar overly-dramatic situations that ‘needed’ immediate fixing. But unlike Roissy I was legitimately annoyed by them and firmly reprimanded her over the phone for being so ridiculous and eventually ended the conversation – admittedly multiple times – because I simply was unwilling to go help. She eventually showed up at my door and after not taking her shit we had good sex.
So I would echo some other people’s comments that the better and more asshole move would be to not show up at all.
That said, I learned my lesson with that girl, that being in a relationship like that is miserable. I’d say that I learned a lot about making a girl want you – in this case it was accidental really – but I dont think it leads to any kind of satisfying relationship. The fucking was great, but after a while it gets old and you want a cool girl. In other words, the situation/relationship in this post sounds fucking miserable.
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Pupu reckons the gal is a foreigner and just learned driving not for long (3-5 years, perhaps). Pupu had injured many cars before her poor little car could wiggle its beaten butt into a large parallel parking spot. Till today, the wicked posture of her parked car is still noticeable from 200 yards away. Nobody is perfect. Why should parking be any different?
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Scientific Proof of Devlin’s theory that women are serial monogamists: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1114706/The-beautiful-women-programmed-unfaithful–Marilyn-hormone.html
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If a woman says she needs you to make her feel better or that you’ve made her feel bad/upset/[insert negative emotion], she’s proves her emotional immaturity a thousand times over.”
you are asking for emotional maturity? how good are you with women? this is like asking a kid to never cry. no matter how hard you crave it – women will never be buddies with tits.
Being good with women means leading them emotionally. It’s the whole secret. You make them excited, upset, feel pretty and feel unwanted. And as a thankyou for the emotional roller coaster they give you a blowjob in the men’s room in return. Happens to me a lot.
Emotionally mature women don’t need fixing.
I am more into twenty-somethings than MILF’s. Since all I want is sex, I care more about her hotness than her maturity. I guess that’s where we differ.
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Which parts of that Oxytocin article are inaccurate? That’s a very well written entry with lots of sourcing. Very appropriate to internet dialog.
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off subject, but
wikipedia accuracy (on drug issues) http://www.theannals.com/cgi/content/full/42/12/1814?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&titleabstract=wikipedia&andorexacttitleabs=and&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT&eaf
http://www.tonybates.ca/2008/10/31/wikipedia-and-the-meaning-of-truth-why-the-online-encyclopedias-epistemology-should-worry-those-who-care-about-traditional-notions-of-accuracy/
there are different accuracies in different fields, such as history, science, and library sciences
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I’ll agree with the other guys above, this wasn’t being an asshole, it was being calm and rational.
Is blue scarf girl your ex? Otherwise, that’s the most random picture ever.
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Yo.
That happened to me once. This fly itallian supermodel that I had been swooping, borrowed my maybach and dinged it up a bit. I wasn’t mad because I was swooping these two fly ethiopian honeys. I was just annoyed that this honey that I had swooped was bothering me when I was swooping two girls that I had been trying to swoop.
I told her that I didn’t want to be bothered but she made me come over. I brought the two girls that i was swooping with me.
Needless to say, I swooped them. I swooped them so hard that I didn’t think they could ever be swooped again.
My only regret is that they ruined the $11,000 Chanel dress that I was wearing.
It all worked out as they joined my crew and we pulled off some heists and swooped a lot. Gs know how to do it.
-Dr. Deepdick
aka The P-holes Champ
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Assholery or not, that sort of crap would simply end my attraction to her. I’d go out and help and make sure she was okay, but I’d break up with her the next day. I require competence from the women in my life.
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Rick
I actually tried to go to G’s site today but it didnt work – maybe he got busted by the Feds.
Screams
*dead faint*
The G is cool but very funny at times.
Paul**redhead: you guys quote from wikipedia as your sources? how beta. that site has been proven to be at least 25% inaccurate.
Heman: Care to provide a reference for this claim?**
Wikipedia
Some people here pull references from all types of disputable sites. The few times I’ve linked to studies, I’ve tried to use sites linked to reputable agencies, schools or organizations
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11minutesWomen do not worry, get upset or freak out about jobs, money or a broken car. They worry about theirs and others feelings.
*using clay davis voice*
shiiiiitttt
who told you that^^? I worry about money and jobs. How else can I pay my bills?
Gunner
What kind of an idiot calls someone a beta for referencing wikipedia? No matter how accurate it is your little generic insult betrays you as a dullard whose opinion is worth as much as a cup of hot chocolate on the fourth of july. You aren’t a nerd. Nerds are smart
Consider that(bold) stolen!
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“Pupu reckons the gal is a foreigner and just learned driving not for long (3-5 years, perhaps). ”
Just another dumb-fuck bitch driver making excuses for another one.
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Pupu is a guy Banger.
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“Pupu is a guy Banger”
What is your point? He/she sounds like a bitch to me.
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LickChickI worry about money and jobs. How else can I pay my bills?
By getting a man who does that for you. It can be so convenient to be a woman.
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@11minutes-
Maybe, but many women don’t marry men who can pay it all. There are women who marry down or what if my husband loses his job? Furthermore, since I’m not married at this moment, I have to look out for me.
By getting a man who does that for you. It can be so convenient to be a woman.
You know some women “do it all” for the men in their lives in 09.
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I have a different take on this, Roissy.
I think asshole game is effective in high-energy pickup situations where the goal is purely sexual/ONS. This is assuming one is calibrated as was discussed earlier, of course.
I also think it’s good to be an asshole in a dating situation from time to time – sparingly – as a way of letting your girl know you aint a chump. I would consider this preventative medicine.
I also think when you are in an exclusive relationship and your girl makes a power-play, by flirting with other guys to make you jealous, for instance, that being an asshole to her is *required*.
But I don’t think the situation you outlined here counts. The fact that you said she was your girlfriend makes all the difference in the world.
The alphas I know and admire can be the biggest cads when they’re playing the field, but when they commit, they tend to view the girl as “theirs”. As their property. I know this will send the Jezebelers into kiniption fits, but that’s the way it is.
These guys — who are exceedingly self-interested and narcissitic — now view their girl as something that must be taken care of as if she were an extension of their body. Their sense of selfishness now extends to include her. If the situation you described happened to them, they would have calmly and resolutely taken care of it. Pretty much the way you did (and as PA reinforced), but without all the sulky teenager style bitching and moaning. I think this falls under the alpha quality of being a *leader*.
I would hate to see the more unsavory aspects of alphahood supplant the more noble ones. And I say this as someone who recognizes the utility of each.
Having said that, 11minutes posted a great comment about the proper way to psychologically handle such situations. It’s not about coddling her like a sensitive beta, it’s about handling the situation like a man and not letting her drama shake your frame.
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Tupac also think when you are in an exclusive relationship and your girl makes a power-play, by flirting with other guys to make you jealous, for instance, that being an asshole to her is *required*.
NO I don’t agree with your take Tupac.
NO ring and/ or no children=freedom, just dump her. A woman that flirts with other guys just to make you jealous may do other things to make you jealous later in the relationship. Why waste your time sorting through other folks garbage .
they tend to view the girl as “theirs”.
I think men in general view women like this.
I know this will send the Jezebelers into kiniption fits, but that’s the way it is.
It shouldn’t because women view men in the same manner to an extent.
BTW, I thought men like to take care of women. So why is it such a problem when your woman wants you to handle your business
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I also think when you are in an exclusive relationship and your girl makes a power-play, by flirting with other guys to make you jealous, for instance, that being an asshole to her is *required*.
Caveat emptor!
If she makes the connection she will smell weakness on you.
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Peter:
Off topic, but a medical study now shows that women with high levels of estrogen are more likely to cheat on their partners. Hasn’t it been the conventional wisdom that women with high levels of testosterone are the cheaters?
High T women are the sportfuckers. They like sex just for sex’s sake just as men do. They can seperate sex from emotions. They are the unconventional “libertines.” I’m not really a fan, although I know many guys are.
High *E* women tend to be more beautiful and feminine and like to be submissive. Because of this, they have a lot of options and can afford to be selective in who they choose, which are usually guys who have a lot going on for them. Because of their options, they will also leave those men if a better deal comes along.
The two situations aren’t exactly equivalent.
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Furthermore, since I’m not married at this moment, I have to look out for me.
Yep. Women work until they get their provider and it’s early retirement ever after! Thank God for the divorce laws in this country making the guy pay even if he finds out about the me and the poolboy…
You know some women “do it all” for the men in their lives in 09.
So you changed your mind about blowjobs?
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Beda:
Caveat emptor!
If she makes the connection she will smell weakness on you.
I don’t want to open this can of worms right now — it’s a huge one — but if you’re in an established exclusive relationship, sometimes you have to assert your property rights, particularly when it’s a submissive woman.
Now, if it’s just fuck-buddies, or casual dating, you are right. But that’s because you really *don’t* care, right? RIGHT?
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You know some women “do it all” for the men in their lives in 09.
So you changed your mind about blowjobs?
smh
Where did that question come from?
Furthermore, since I’m not married at this moment, I have to look out for me.
Yep. Women work until they get their provider and it’s early retirement ever after! Thank God for the divorce laws in this country making the guy pay even if he finds out about the me and the poolboy…
What percentage of women in this country are really homemakers? Some women go back to work as soon as the children are old enough to enter preschool or they run a small business from home.
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Ethan:
I have and continue to call out any woman that accuses me with “you’re making me feel bad”. Nope. You’re choosing to feel bad. Whether it be almost a knee-jerk reaction based on genes, social environment, upbringing and personal experiences, one still has the power to choose how they react in any given situation. Each person’s degree of control and freedom to do so varies with how much they’ve exercised their ability to choose. Now if you get to the point that you lose your ability to choose…you’re no longer human. You’re just an animal reacting to primitive impulses. While that can be fun sometimes, you don’t have any conscious control over your life.
As someone else said: you don’t have much experience with women, do you?
You sound like Keith — holding out for some unrealistic “ideal woman” who is basically a man with a vagina. Well, maybe that’s an ideal worth holding out for but I’d rather get my knob polished.
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Pupu is a guy
What??!!
[cue the theme from “The Crying Game”]
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ethan Long story short: If woman(or man) says “you’re making me feel bad” or ‘fix me’,
walk her ass over to a shrink. I hear they make a living off of fixing people.
Emotionally mature women don’t need fixing. Direction/Leadership/Strength yes, fixing no.
You fix what’s broken
My man
*gives ethan some dap*
You “sound” just like my homeboy.
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PA
Pupu is a guy
What??!!
[cue the theme from “The Crying Game”]
HA
more like Paris Is Burning.
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The lesson of Roissy’s story is that we need more mass transit so people like his girlfriend* don’t have to drive, which keeps the roads safer for those who can drive.
*I don’t believe that Roissy had a girlfriend primarily because his player attitude simply precludes him from having a committed relationship. In contrast, one could argue that she was just a girl he was fucking for a extended period of time before he grew tired of her.
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Funny how you deleted my post after calling you out and exposing you. You are neither asshole or alpha, can’t handle criticism but chose to delete it out of your existence. Truly pathetic only losers choose to ignore criticism and can’t stand a verbal argument.
You are pussy whipped, admit it Rossy if you were the man you would have hanged up. But since you were so desperate for a whiff of her poon you went all the way to the scene. You see if you have “options” then you wouldn’t be manipulated. She called you because she knew that you were going to come help her.
There’s a term that fits you perfectly in this PUA BS aka nerd seduction world that this community seems to be obsessed. It’s called keyboard jockeying. This blog is a real piece of work. I dare you to prove my statements wrong. Considering that I am probably right… why would you delete my other post? If it didn’t bother you? You really need to make your stories and theories more believable.
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Speaking of game, here is an obit of a guy who had success with women in a somewhat unconventional way. He may have been a great asshole. I would love to hear Roissy’s take on this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4231516/Sir-Dai-Llewellyn.html
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i think Roissy reacted appropriately to this ridiculousness. i wouldn’t have even called…
why would you call your sleeping bf unless maybe it were his car you just crashed??
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DA, you showed up at the right time……to BORE ME TO EXCRUCIATINGLY PAINFUL DEATH. Just pull a Heath Ledger, already, please!
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“You sound like Keith — holding out for some unrealistic “ideal woman” who is basically a man with a vagina.”
Ya know, Tupac, I was going to make a crack about how sweet it is that you offered to change your gender just to make me happy, etc.
But really, you got me on this one. My wife, while superficially girly, is in fact more analytical than most men. Much of my decision to marry her came from my realization that she was likely the only woman I could marry and not bludgeon to death.
Actually, she was the first to tell me about this PUA stuff after she read the Strauss book. When she talked to me about some of the “games,” I said “doesn’t that seem kind of manipulative?” Her reply: “I’ve known those type of girls. They don’t deserve any better.”
I found this PUA stuff intriguing, until I learned that you have to date these women to get the sex. Four to ten whole hours of your one and only life? You poor fuckers.
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What did the high *T* girl say to the high *E* girl?
Answer: Wow, you’re an even shittier driver than me!
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keith My wife, while superficially girly, is in fact more analytical than most men
😯
*slaps forhead*
WOW
So your married??? So let me get this str8!!! I’ve been flirting with a married man for how many weeks now??? Chris & Whiskey please tell me your single.
I need to start listening to my great grandma more often she always says,“Baby, men ain’t shit even the nice ones”
SMH
If I wanted to flirt with a married man, I would have had a go at Peter. Peter is a guaranteed good time. He eats licks and everything else!
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Tupac Chopra-are you an apna? 🙂
Roissy-aside from the anal sex part, this post was sort of kind of…cute!
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How many weeks of flirting was it, Chic? A couple more months and you might have actually let the guy go ALL THE WAY!
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i fail to see the asshole-ism in this account. maybe if you punched her in the throat upon arriving at the scene…for dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.
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“I’ve been flirting with a married man for how many weeks now???”
You’ve been flirting?
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I’m with Tupac Chopra on this one. He defined something I hadn’t quite put my finger on, but sensed.
Hope the Jezebel crew doesn’t hunt him down for calling women “property,” but I get the larger point.
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This is the biggest asshole ever: http://www.redtube.com/7718
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bds
please take a tip from the lesbinazi/environmental whackjob cults you follow and DO NOT BREED.
this has been a friendly reminder from darwinism: wishing the useless people would just up and die already.
Thanks, bds. You’re a gentleman and a scholar. Unfortunately for the whole of humanity I have already bred..a fine teenage daughter. Perhaps I should have her killed, then off myself for the good of society. (O_O)
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bds
the lesbinazi/environmental whackjob cults you follow
You wish!!!!!!
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on the bright side.. sluts love ninja turtles =)
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1736316
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This guy is a total alpha, watch and learn you wannabe PUAs:
http://www.xvideos.com/video42190/paid_to_fuck_a_fat_ugly_motherfucker
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New phrase of 2009:
“meaty intrusion”
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In other news:
Be seeing you, John Drake.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7829267.stm
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“That night, we watched porn and I did her in the ass for the first time.”
I guess that’s why Roissy calls it “asshole game.”
Just when he seems to be getting back on track (no more talk of his creepy Internet ads), he has to remind us of his rectal fetish for the 100th time.
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Everyone is looking at Roissy’s actions instead of attitude, which contains the brunt of the assholery.
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This reminds me of an old incident. I went to a bar and met this Irish chick who was really drunk. She wanted to take me back to her place, and since I lived near her I thought “why not? I’ll be that much closer to home.”
She proceeded to pull out of her spot and take a wide turn, smashing the hell out of some compact civic or acura on the other side of the street. I said, “holy sh*t, hit the gas” and then when we were clear demanded she pull over and give me the keys. After she cooled off for a minute or so I pulled her car out and drove back around the block to get on the arterial. I saw some homo and a couple of girls looking at their smashed-up car and just kept driving. Man, those poor people looked so sad about their car. I felt bad, but what could I do? There was just this sorry little car looking all sad and bent on the side of the street, crying shards of glass onto the pavement, and I had some Irish girl nearly passed out in the passenger seat of the car I was driving.
Was I an asshole? I don’t know… I did feel bad for the people who got their car all smashed up, but I didn’t do it.
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Speaking of the G a/k/a MPM, any guesses as to his real-life alter ego? I’ve always guessed he was a college student at the University of Idaho or something.
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I am double posting in case ktullah is not reading post 2 anymore
kthulah
“My Dad told me that’s what boys want, not men, and that this was an easy way to distinguish between the two.
Was he wrong?”
He was born in a place where women don’t fuck around, where investment was necessary to get sex, and a father had right, and even then your father wanted sex with women when he was, say, under 30… He wanted lots of sex. Did he get it?
Apparently not, so he is backwards rationalizing.
Look, I want sex.
Lots of it.
I accept to work for it.
If everybody else is working.
The problem with dating promiscuous women is, the men before you, in majority, did not work to get sex, but you inevitably will, once you are in the relationship.
Now, with so many promiscuous women around, and so many secrets, do I want to date now?
No.
And considering that listening to a chick you met at night blabber for hours on a sunday morning is heavy work,
I say, I am happy when a woman comes, and leaves after I come.
That is what you women dont get into you fucking heads (no offense to you),
Saying:
“He meant nothing, it was just sex”
Means:
“He was better at you getting me wet, and I just rewarded him…”,
or even worse,
“You are better at making me wet, but since you committed, i need to be sure you will further invest in me, so I will be way more difficult than I was to any other male before you.. In other words, I punish you”
So, in her head, making you work is reward for you.
Thus,
Fuck me and leave me.
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Tupak:
“The alphas I know and admire can be the biggest cads when they’re playing the field, but when they commit, they tend to view the girl as “theirs”. As their property. I know this will send the Jezebelers into kiniption fits, but that’s the way it is.
These guys — who are exceedingly self-interested and narcissitic — now view their girl as something that must be taken care of as if she were an extension of their body. Their sense of selfishness now extends to include her. If the situation you described happened to them, they would have calmly and resolutely taken care of it. Pretty much the way you did (and as PA reinforced), but without all the sulky teenager style bitching and moaning. I think this falls under the alpha quality of being a *leader*.
I would hate to see the more unsavory aspects of alphahood supplant the more noble ones. And I say this as someone who recognizes the utility of each.”
Very well said. I believe you are right on the money about this. I’ve been in this position in relationships myself.
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People come here expecting juicy stories.. (@ the people who trash these saying it’s not ‘asshole’ enough !
while the man is trying to just teach .. if that’s the right word..
just that his ways are a bit entertaining doesn’t mean this is comedy Central !
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Roissy – are you an ethnic Jew?
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Forrest
“My hope for Roissy, and all men who follow his path, is that in time an experience of a truly trusting and intimate relationship comes their way. This can heal much and reduce the need to belittle women. Ironically, that healing relationship will probably come via a patient and wise woman who can see past all the bullshit typified by this blog.”
Why do you think Roissy&co has this attitude?
Is it because they have never met women, is it because they are so nice and get what they want?
Or is it because they have interacted with women?
It is better to be an asshole that fucks around than being the nice guy who, once the lady turns 30 and is used up, especially emotionally, is happy to pick up the left overs?
It’s a choice that women present with us, and this choice has an effect on women themselves.
you shot your own foot. Now shut up.
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Sara:
“After that incident, she was in love with me more than ever.
Delusional much? LOVE? LOL That wasn’t love, it was hormonal addiction/dependency. ”
Did he get what he wanted?
did she willingly give it to him?
And if she is now in love, is the guy she is in love with, the oh-so-special one, getting what Roissy got.
And yes, he does want to get what Roissy wants….
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” I have already bred”
Sara, do you collect child support from the beta provider who did this to mankind?
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— I need to start listening to my great grandma more often she always says,“Baby, men ain’t shit even the nice ones”
Your Grandma is a wise woman. The sexes have always been at war. So it was, so it shall be. That’s what makes life fun.
By the way, where I come from, we have a male counterpart to your grandma’s saying: Never believe a woman. Nigdy nie wież kobiecie.
— Roissy – are you an ethnic Jw?
I don’t know Roissy personally but I believe he made a few past references to a Christian family background (Christmas, church, etc)
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according to a post in HalfSigma’s blog, Roissy is at least a pawn of the jewish-zionist conspiracy to control the world by destroying the christian family
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Roissy is definitely not Jewish
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Roissy has made refernces to growing up Catholic, as well as to having Italian, German and, IIRC, Polish ancestry.
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It’s about definitions. The sophists used to have real fun with this.
As this story clearly shows, the word ‘asshole’ when applied to treatment of women in America, FOR MOST MEN simply means not being a doormat.
It’s important to speak to people in thier language. So when Roissy says to the Normal American Male “be an Asshole” what they hear is “stop being a doormat”. Oh, they would agree that stopping being a doormat is ‘evil’ but that is simply because thier definitions of words are totally messed up.
Have you noticed that Americans only refer to bad or evil acts as ‘stupid’ or ‘crazy’? The idea of morality appears to have been deleted from out culture. Double-Plus Good.
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“dumb bitch” always works for me
hell, we can shorten it to just “bitch” if needed
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Fair enough, z.g. my dad did grow up in a time and place when lifetime monogamy was expected of women, and at least demanded or hoped for, on penalty of straight-razor incidents, from men.
I don’t really know if my dad wanted to mess around, but I’m sure he had ample opportunity, and still does.
He never kept me in the dark though. Most of what I know about men, my dad taught me. Nothing he’s ever said to me in that regard has turned out to be wrong yet.
…and one important thing he taught me is that most urban and suburban American men don’t grow up on time. He told me that dicking around is something guys are supposed to do and get past in their teens or university years at the most, and that by the end of that, they should know what they want.
Now, when he was telling me these things was in the 80’s. People who got married in the 60’s and some in the 70’s were before the generation of peter pans running around today. So maybe it is true now that so many men just want to live a life of perpetual pump and dump, that it can be said that this is generally what men want.
Maybe…but I would like to think that this is not true of every man. I am sure that it isn’t true of my second husband because he’s a fetishist, but I’d also like to think that there is some basically normally functioning guy out there who would actually enjoy pancakes and oral sex in the morning.
Few as they may be, I doubt that I’m going to find one of those with the cynical attitude that all men want is just the sex, and they’d rather get the pancakes from their guy friends or something. In my opinion, that’s what leads many a woman to sluttery…the idea (myth maybe?) that all men want is sex, so this is all one should expect from them.
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Welmer –
Two left-tail-of-the-Bell Curve f***heads near me just tried to pull a driver switch to avoid a DWI bust, but it didn’t work because the passenger was intoxicated too.
Peter
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Of course it’s not true of every man. I’m 23 and I know people my age happily married. Maybe half will get divorced. But half won’t. Maybe half will get cuckolded, or cheat themselves. The other half won’t.
It’s like GM. They still sell a lot of cars. Just not the monopoly they had in the 50s. Ditto with marriage. It’s still the default choice. But it’s not a monopoly anymore.
Personally, I’m in the marriage camp. I have a good job that requires long hours and I’d rather come home to a home cooked meal and a beautiful girl than grab a burger and go hit the bars. Likewise, a lot of my friends from college are doing the ‘peter pan’ thing (stupid word for it… too judgmental). Whatever you want.
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The driving thing cracks me up. Both my parents are dead now, and I heard this from my uncle.
Before they were married, my dad was teaching my mom how to drive. She drove right through a stop sign. Dad was so pissed he told her to stop the car and took her learner’s permit and tore it up on the spot. I don’t know if they were even engaged at the time.
Mom never could drive for crap.
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I despise the term “Peter Pan Complex” too. What we are seeing here isn’t simply that men have lost all interest in building for the future. I’ve seen articles bemoaning the “fact” that men today don’t want to settle down, to advance to stable careers or to buy houses etc. This is utter bullshit. While both men and women are deferring the starting of a family voluntarily these days, I think the biggest factor is the disenfranchisement of youth. In the fifties, there was a clear progression of the generations. Men had a cultural inheritance in which the torch was passed to them as the older generation retired and handed over the reins and earning power. Today, older generations work longer and resist handing over occupational power and its attendant earning power. Over the same time period we’ve changed from a production economy to a service economy and this feminization of the workplace has undermined any meaningful role men once had. We no longer have an exclusive province or domain that we can lay claim to as men. Our identities are much more tied to our occupation than is the case for women, as evidenced by the disdain we feel for the stay at home dad. Also, the movement of women into the workplace has added something like 50-60% to the labor pool. We know from supply and demand that increasing the available workforce decreases their value. The result is that in the past, a low education middle class workman could obtain a job by their early twenties that paid enough to support a wife and family and buy a home, and be certain that their loyalty to their employer would be rewarded by job security. Deflation of wages combined with inflation of costs means that most today are lucky to be able to afford children and a home on two incomes by thirty, and we enter this phase of life loaded with student loans and consumer debt. Mismanagement of the economy over the past twenty years has pushed property values far out of reach for most. College and health care and childcare costs inflate at many times the stated rate of inflation as well so children are far more expensive in terms of labor hours to support them as well. The net effect is we have three generations of man-boys cooling their heels waiting for an opportunity to make an adult life that has been denied them. The decline of marriage also makes it a risky proposition. Furthermore women today have this sense of entitlement that the man should support them, but they should be able to work and do what they like with their own incomes, while not wanting to provide childcare or carry their weight in the home either. I know many women who say “I don’t cook” as a tribute to feminist ideals, so the family can starve I guess. This is retarded. Men and women alike should know how to cook and clean and provide for their own needs, and these tasks should be allocated in accordance with how much income they bring into the family. What exactly are women offering today to compensate us for more than half of our lifetime earnings whether she stays or goes? Is it any wonder men aren’t “growing up and settling down” like they used to? Who the hell wants to sign on for that. If we doubled the purchasing power of wage earners and made divorce laws fair, so they could get out of debt, save some of their income, afford homes and children and have confidence it all wouldn’t be pulled out from under them by a cheating spouse, we would see marriage and birthrates skyrocket back up overnight. It’s all risk and reward. If you ask men to take major risks, there needs to be a payoff.
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@ kthulah
I’d also like to think that there is some basically normally functioning guy out there who would actually enjoy pancakes and oral sex in the morning.
Few as they may be, I doubt that I’m going to find one of those with the cynical attitude that all men want is just the sex, and they’d rather get the pancakes from their guy friends or something. In my opinion, that’s what leads many a woman to sluttery…the idea (myth maybe?) that all men want is sex, so this is all one should expect from them.
Uh… I don’t think I understand you. Personally I’d love a nice woman to give me pancakes and a bj in the morning. Where do I sign up?
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alphadominance – paragraph breaks, please!
The woman driver thing: it’s all about their complete inability to relate to the two-dimensional space around their vehicles.
The parallel parking is just one example. Another one is when they want to make a left turn, either from a two-lane road to a side street, or onto a major road. They will never position their car in a way that allows other people to pass them slightly on the right in order to continue straight or turn rignt. No. I have to stop behind her fat SUV ass and wait until she completes her left turn. Tomorrow maybe.
The other thing women drivers will always do: they will never take advantage of an accelleration lane in order to merge with traffic. They will instead stop at the beginning of the merge lane, and wait — the dumb idiots — until nothing is coming.
Ah, to be a cop for a day. I would look for such drivers, and give them enough of a ticket to cause their license to be suspended. My explanation to them would be that merging is a basic driving skill, and their inability to execute it makes them unsafe on the road.
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@James
:: with a wave of her left hand, she produces a scalpel, a quill, and a sheet of aged parchment ::
Just kidding. Before I tell you the answer, are you sure you wouldn’t rather have a 10? That seems to be the standard goal here, and I’d hate to waste the words.
Alphadominance, I know all the excuses, but you’ll have to forgive me if they sound just as worn out as women trying to excuse becoming some kind of dishonest whore or another. I’m sorry if the “peter pan” label seemed overly harsh, but I don’t know what else to call someone who won’t grow up.
One’s lifestyle is one’s own choice, but there is a price to pay for it. Nobody really needs to justify their chosen lifestyle, just to live it and not dump their bitterness about the costs onto people who live a different lifestyle and pay different costs.
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@kthulah
You can be as harsh as you want, nobody else holds back. Nonetheless while I will agree some men fit that description voluntarily, many more are painted with that brush for not choosing a traditional path. IMO you are grown up when you support yourself and are accountable for your actions.
To claim (I’m referring to society here, you included the caveat) that someone is immature because they hold different values or see personal benefit in deferring marriage and child-rearing is misguided.
If you look at it from a biological perspective, if it costs more to raise a child and takes longer to earn it, you will be more successful in raising children if you wait until you can do right by them, and have fewer of them.
That is the argument I was making above and I don’t feel that for most it’s an excuse, but a rational response for the youth today to make to a more difficult environment. Its just that the way it’s bandied about in the media implies that all men are being like this out of spite or something.
While there will always be degenerates and losers of both genders out there, the vast majority are responding to a changing paradigm. I do believe most men seek more meaning than simply an endless series of one-nighters ultimately, as do women. They just are leery of the fact that the cost/benefit equation has skewed dramatically against them in the past half-century and if a trustworthy and appealing woman cannot be found, banging around is the next best thing even later in life.
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AlphaDominance, I do not believe that the problem is things being too difficult. On the contrary, people have it too good. Men and women today are generally lazy and want to give nothing but get everything.
So I agree with Lupo’s quote a few weeks ago, that the men and the women deserve each other. So each man and each woman should ask themselves what they can do to make things better.
Some things can’t be changed overnight. You can’t teach someone who has self trained by masturbating to computer rendered images of Final Fantasy characters, to appreciate natural beauty, but you can teach the guy not to take crap from any woman, regardless of how much she may resemble one of the characters. The scope may be limited, but at least that one man has got some balls, and that one woman has learned that it’ll take more than her pretty figure to win some guys’ hearts…that not every man is a sucker.
One reason I pay attention to the PUA community is because I like the idea of male empowerment…so the same as I tell women to stop playing the victim, I tell men the same. A rational choice is not always the best choice. One can rationalize almost anything.
To decide that something you want isn’t worth wanting based on statistics is the sucker route. Individuals are not statistics.
If a guy decides that commitment isn’t for him, he can find lots of statistics to rationalize his decision, but when it comes down to it, he just doesn’t want it badly enough. Commitment isn’t worth as much to him as banging hot young chicks.
There’s nothing wrong with that, but this is an adolescent role, even if the person who made the decision to behave in an adolescent way, made the choice in an adult manner. A fetishist who chooses to wear diapers is an adult, but they’re still an adult baby. They enjoy infantilizing themselves. So in my view, the penile axis revolving door is an adult teenager.
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kthulah:
AlphaDominance, I do not believe that the problem is things being too difficult. On the contrary, people have it too good. Men and women today are generally lazy and want to give nothing but get everything.
So I agree with Lupo’s quote a few weeks ago, that the men and the women deserve each other. So each man and each woman should ask themselves what they can do to make things better.
Some things can’t be changed overnight. You can’t teach someone who has self trained by masturbating to computer rendered images of Final Fantasy characters, to appreciate natural beauty, but you can teach the guy not to take crap from any woman, regardless of how much she may resemble one of the characters. The scope may be limited, but at least that one man has got some balls, and that one woman has learned that it’ll take more than her pretty figure to win some guys’ hearts…that not every man is a sucker.
One reason I pay attention to the PUA community is because I like the idea of male empowerment…so the same as I tell women to stop playing the victim, I tell men the same. A rational choice is not always the best choice. One can rationalize almost anything.
To decide that something you want isn’t worth wanting based on statistics is the sucker route. Individuals are not statistics.
If a guy decides that commitment isn’t for him, he can find lots of statistics to rationalize his decision, but when it comes down to it, he just doesn’t want it badly enough. Commitment isn’t worth as much to him as banging hot young chicks.
There’s nothing wrong with that, but this is an adolescent role, even if the person who made the decision to behave in an adolescent way, made the choice in an adult manner. A fetishist who chooses to wear diapers is an adult, but they’re still an adult baby. They enjoy infantilizing themselves. So in my view, the penile axis revolving door is an adult teenager.
Translation: “I’m all for unconventionality and being ‘off the grid’ except when it’s men deciding to buck commitment and the usual way of doing things.”
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I agree that personal empowerment is a laudable goal and I always advocate honesty and doing what is right. I believe I differ from some in this way but I feel there is no need to lie to obtain one’s objectives if one has a powerful frame and qualifies people to ensure shared goals.
Of course it is one’s prerogative to swim against the tide and take the lumps that come with a fool’s errand. People do it all the time. My goal in examining these issues is to ensure that people are fully educated if they make such a decision.
I don’t agree that being rational and rationalizing are one and the same, though they do share a root. To my mind, as commonly used, making a rational decision is one in which you have considered the facts beforehand and make an informed decision, whereas rationalization is making an emotional decision and trying after the fact to justify it.
Personally unless you do wish to raise children commitment appears to cost more than it is worth. The more desirable one’s partner the less likely they will remain faithful, but even if you settle there is a good likelihood that they would stray. Signing on to pay them an annuity on your future earnings despite this seems hopelessly romantic to me, particularly when your dollar value goes up over time while their attraction value can only decline. If you are going to lock in it makes sense to defer until your own value has increase as a man.
I don’t see anything intrinsically more mature about committing to a depreciating asset than leasing one. It’s hard to make men’s universal attraction to youth and beauty comparable to paraphilic infantilism which is a niche fetish.
Of course one’s best bet in life is to take the course that gives them the most satisfaction. For ninety percent of men it’s to be a beta provider because that’s the only way a woman will look twice at them. For the elusive ten percent of either gender who have the dating capital to be choosy, it’s locking yourself in and foregoing options. Attractive women too are less likely to be hasty to marry. They want the best deal they can make.
If you disagree with me regarding the changes in our culture that make creating a stable life more difficult for men today, consider reading the source of the theory. It’s a book by Susan Faludi, a feminist incidentally, called “Stiffed: The Betrayal of the American Male” and is quite insightful. I recommend it for all students of modern gender relations.
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Word up Tupac
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“I don’t see anything intrinsically more mature about committing to a depreciating asset than leasing one.”
Well said alphadominance, as an old pilot once said to me:
‘If it flies, floats or it fucks, JUST RENT IT’
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I have a simple test for deciding whether the behaviour of a woman you mention is stupid or not. Reverse it, pretend this woman is male, does it make you want to yell ‘do you have an ounce of pride or intelligence?’. If yes, please refer to ‘Stop the bullshit, bitch.’
You were such a decent human being, by actually getting out of bed, though. Seriously isn’t worth it. Maybe mixed messages work more effectively than pure asshole game, though. Enough for her to invest, not enough for her to betatise you.
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Tupac, I’m personally okay with just about anything that doesn’t entail non consensually harming people. However, no matter how many times one does it, a guy having sex with a guy won’t make a baby.
So lack of biological offspring made by both participants is the price homosexual people pay if they choose to only engage in homosexual sex, and not seek someone of the opposite gender to aid in the process of reproducing.
Likewise, other genetic black holes will not result in offspring. Emotional black holes won’t even result in pair bonding or hell, even respectful humanitarian free love type community bonding.
Evolutionarily, the only kind of sex that matters is sex that produces offspring and sex that facilitates bonding.
I didn’t make the rules. So as much as I might enjoy certain activities at the moment, if they’re pointless or harmful, my enjoying them doesn’t really change that.
I’m not trying to judge anyone negatively. I’m just saying that there’s a way to get something, and a way not to get something…and if men want to be taken seriously, it starts with taking themselves seriously.
In another thread I said that women will start having more integrity when integrity starts causing erections. There’s a certain contingent that will just do whatever’s available and take the easy road, but the fact that a trend got us into this mess means that it’s likely a trend the other direction that’s going to get us out of it.
The extension of adolescence beyond natural limits is crippling western society little by little. I’m not going to not call it adolescent behavior just to make you feel better.
This isn’t about convention. It’s about logic. Babies aren’t made by hiding condoms in cabbage patches.
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A LOT of newbies here don’t understand what it means to be an asshole. They think is means being cruel, indifferent, and careless, the fact is that it might involve these things but being an asshole the right way means doing the asshole things from a point of strenght and being an asshole for the wrong reasons come a point of weakness.
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Alphadominance said, “To my mind, as commonly used, making a rational decision is one in which you have considered the facts beforehand and make an informed decision, whereas rationalization is making an emotional decision and trying after the fact to justify it.”
It is impossible to tell the future, so people must play the odds as best as they can. What they choose to gamble on is a decision they make based on what they want, and what they believe will improve their chances of getting it.
Men who want commitment don’t have a problem finding women who want commitment. What they have a problem with, and are complaining about today is a dearth of “hot” women who want a commitment.
To me, this seems equally idiotic as women complaining about the lack of available wealthy handsome heterosexual men who want commitment.
See, the problem is that men want a hot chick, and men want the wealthy guy, and both want hot chicks and wealthy guys to want to commit to them even though they’re not hot and rich.
Back in the day, people grew up on time and understood the idea of like goes to like. Nowadays, the girl next door isn’t competing with the girl across the street. She’s competing with a porn star or celebrity the guys have no chance in hell of getting next to.
Likewise, the guys are competing with guys who roll into their neighborhoods take what they want, and dump it back at their door when they’re done.
Does this seem at all rational to you?
What would a rational person do if they realize they’d been scammed?
Keep searching for that celebrity clone with a heart of gold, and treating everyone else like they’re disposable until then? shag an endless stream of upwardly mobile male professionals until she lands on one who will forgive her past and pay her to not have sex with him because no woman is turned on by a sucker?
Yes, I agree that people should look very well into the facts.
“I don’t see anything intrinsically more mature about committing to a depreciating asset than leasing one. It’s hard to make men’s universal attraction to youth and beauty comparable to paraphilic infantilism which is a niche fetish.”
If you view a partner as a depreciating asset the longer you’re with her, then you are one of those dudes who has forgotten what commitment was for in the first place.
Do you consider your platonic friends depreciating assets as well?
A companion is for companionship, not titilation. Any woman with half a lick of sense doesn’t care where you get hungry as long as you come home for dinner…but this illusion that a partner has to be their partner’s *everything* is part of why we’re in the situation now of a critical mass of the population being eternal adolescents, and whore-as-wife mismatches.
Yes, you’re supposed to like to look at teenagers, but what’s in your eye doesn’t always belong in your hands.
Part of growing up is accepting that.
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Ultimately the choices people make hold a mirror to the values of the society at large. It is no accident that birth rates are plummeting in the developed world. The decline of traditional gender roles and androgenization of society are causative in the decline in the success of marriage and consequently baby creation.
That aside, lifespans are approaching eighty years and whereas we used to die by forty we (men) need not end our “adolescent” phase and engage in bonding or family until our thirties and forties even if we wish to do so in our lives. While women don’t have this luxury, they too can defer family and children for a decade longer than they did in the recent past. It’s natural that some take advantage of that. It has no ominous meaning like the end of society.
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Alphadominance, oh no, it won’t lead to the end of society…just some very drastic changes.
What happens when men in a culture delay commitment and reproduction beyond women’s naturally safe time frame, and then another group of men comes along that doesn’t?
It’s evolution, baby.
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Here’s a hint:
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67886
Some years ago, my mom told me about an interesting phenomenon. She’s an elementary school teacher, and noticed that over the course of a few years, her once predominantly Black classes were becoming predominantly mixed Black/Hispanic classes.
Having studied intercultural relationships in the past, she decided to look into why it was happening. The proportions were too large to account for occasional mixing due to new opportunities.
Apparently, in Charlotte, Black men tend to either marry later or don’t marry at all, and get divorced more often. Hispanic men in that area anyway, tend to marry earlier, and more often.
Now Black men in Charlotte are complaining that too many young women are being taken out of the market because both Black and Hispanic women prefer to date Hispanic men there.
In Israel, secular Jews are losing the demographic advantage because Arabs and religious Jews simply out-breed them.
Some people have a desire for a fun, pleasant, easy life, and some people have the will to survive.
Guess who wins?
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Kthulah,
By your logic a case could be made that we should return to the relationship schedule that existed in traditional times of marrying off our daughters at 13 so they have the opportunity to have more children. I don’t think most of us would say that the deferral of relationship formation to the twenties is a resounding failure and we should go back to childhood marriage in the interests of having more kids. By the same token, unless you wait until you are infertile today, there is only advantage to deferring settling down; you can have the experiences you would otherwise regret missing, you can amass capital and experience, you can grow as a person and better understand what you want, etc. For an example look at China. Imposing the single child rule has allowed the concentration of resources into fewer children, permitting a largly impoverished population to leverage themselves in a generation to a fairly well educated and productive one.
I don’t personally have any vested interest in increasing the relative percentage of any ethnicity or religion. This is America and I value diversity. I think it’s great that our diversity is increasing. Being a melting pot is what makes America great.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that PUAs will never reproduce when in fact the vast majority of the men here will ultimately find someone they like enough to commit to (perhaps with divorce insurance in the form of a pre-nup) and will have their 2.5 kids like most everyone else. It’s just that when they do, they will be better able to vet their prospects, and will have higher value for having waited and improved their social and monetary capital. If one decides to marry at 35, and do so with a woman of the younger generation, he won’t have great competition from the men in their twenties if he has secured a decent career and is socially well adjusted because women mature faster than men and prefer men who are established.
True, in a strictly biological sense having more children is “winning” but you also have to consider the cost of raising children. In an expensive society such as ours, the optimal strategy may be to limit yourself to a couple of offspring and provide them with greater opportunity and resources. I’d rather sire one President than one hundred proles, and I personally believe overpopulation is a big problem on earth.
If you really are concerned about increasing your genetic legacy you can always donate sperm and eggs and spread your genome cost free if it’s quality enough that someone would pay for it.
No, I don’t view my friends as depreciating assets because I don’t have to support them. If a friend were to demand of me what the typical female asks of even her boyfriend, I’d ditch them too. This may be a male point of view but my friends are there primarily for activity partners and backup if a confrontation arises. I don’t need “emotional support” or other close bonding with my buddies.
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Alphadominance, forgive me for this, but I have to accept certain limitations as a woman, and as a somewhat nietzschean styled indie.
At some point, I can’t help but to think it futile to argue the worth of close relationships to someone who views other people as superficial functions. Until you grow to the point where people are more than “grocerly lists” of traits that are convenient or inconvenient to you at the moment, we are going to have a consistent failure to relate.
…and this is okay with me. I learn from this. Now, having said that, and having some experience with function oriented people, I will do my best to translate my thoughts in a way you may be able to understand more easily.
Here goes…
I am a fan of early marriage for girls at least. A few hundred years of industrialization can’t undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Since women are still the ones who give birth and lactate, this is the reality that we have to deal with.
Thirteen is a bit young. Teenagers’ brains haven’t finished going through the changes to get past the awkward and rebellious stages at that point usually. Most 13 year old are also not yet sexually mature. I think a girl is physically sexually mature, that’s when she should be scoping out available husbands, if there are any, and if she’s the sort who wants to marry.
Eighteen is a good age. By then, most women are physically mature enough. Some would argue 16, but as a general rule I think 18 does the job. Exceptions should be examined on a case by case basis, but committed relationships shouldn’t be stigmatized the same as exploitive ones with girls who have been menstruating for 5+ years.
The important thing, in my opinion, is whether the girl is the marrying sort, or if she’d rather not. I’d guess that most would like to marry, but that might just be because marriage is trendy. Not every woman is the maternal type, and a good many if not most of them, know this by 18.
I also believe that men should grow up on time. If a man intends to be a husband and father someday, he needs to prepare himself for that realistically, and be supported in doing so.
What has happened is that people in western cultures are being groomed for alienation from their families as adults, and told that it’s a good thing for men and women in their 20’s to be slutting around…and that magically they will meet and fall in love with their soulmate in the process of strangely doing everything they can to learn how *not* to bond with someone they’re shagging.
At a purely logical level, if love is all about the chemicals and social benefits, exactly how do you figure a guy is supposed to even know when he’s encountered someone who can love him even if he’s broke as a broke dick dog, mangled in some kind of car accident, and hated by everyone else around him, if his entire sexual history has been in pursuit of disposable holes?
Hard in training, easy in battle. Men need to be more picky, not less, as far as getting what they want. This is where asshole game comes in real handy, by the way.
Eternal adolescence is considered unmanly. That men like this get non professionally laid at all is a miracle of modern social engineering. Men and women are condtioning themselves against pair bonding.
Just like you can’t get back your virginity once you’ve lost it, you also can’t reduce the number of partners you’ve had once you’ve had them, and more important than the raw numbers is the number of times you’ve been rejected, the number of times you’ve been used, the number of times you’ve been disappointed, and the number of times you’ve had your heart broken.
When you go chasing futile experiences, you don’t get meaningful experiences as a reward.
So truly, I consider you and everyone else who is able to afford to stay eternal teenagers, very fortunate. You’ve been insulated from the realities that others have to face, and have the luxury of a combination of material resources, social support (sick as the society is), and the ability to not bond or want to bond with people you’re shagging.
Good for you.
…but the rest of us, how ever few, who do appreciate the awesomeness of love, are getting a good lesson all around us of what happens when people compartmentalize love, friendship, sex, and reproduction too rigidly. There should be some overlap there, that if it isn’t there looks like the same kind of anti survivalist dogmatism we saw when religion had a stronger hold on western society.
Seems only the hats have changed.
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Kthulah,
You misunderstand me. I am all for each gender pursuing their needs. Sadly they rarely align, less so if the couple are near the same age. The needs of the genders frequently contradict each other. This combined with equality and independence of the genders in modern society is behind the social forces you refer to as “social engineering.”
While I am all for positive relationships with friends and with women when they are equitable, I am equally prepared to excise users like a tumor. You are right, there are many self-absorbed people in America today. We are a superficial culture.
I appreciate the fact that you are obviously intelligent and have considered the matter at length, however I exist in the world to thrive in it as it is, since I cannot change it. I am not all-powerful. It is a waste of energy to commit time to wishing the world was different.
I think you misconstrue acceptance of the system as it is, and advocating for my gender’s interests as not being mature enough to understand where you are coming from. This I take contention with, as disagreement does not equal lack of understanding. Likewise I don’t expect you to agree with me as you female motivations are different. Here we must agree to disagree. If you wish to think me immature, you do so at the risk of considering my entire gender immature, because the position I advocate is shared by men of all ages and life experiences as evidenced by the wide readership Roissy generates and the plethora of blogs devoted to these topics. By the same token I might call you and indeed your gender naive in your views of romantic love, but that too would be counterproductive.
Men and women are just different for better or worse and name calling does not further our mutual understanding. This is my approach to women, I wish to understand you, but I am not arrogant enough to think I can convince women to view things in the male way.
Unlike some here I am not a classic PUA, rather, I tend to engage in serial monogamy. This is how we evolved to pair bond and it is marriage that is the artificial institution. I have had my share of LTRs with women who, if the stars aligned I may have been able to suspend disbelief long enough to marry. Reality however, always intervened.
My choice of serial monogamy over purely one night stands is in part because I am picky, as you say I am fortunate to be able to be so, but its also because I do evaluate the women I date on their character and history. Personally I would not be averse to family life if it were compatible with maintaining my manhood and getting my needs met, but this is conditional on meeting someone rather unusual, at least for America.
Nonetheless, the fact remains IMO that love is always conditional. Many candidates exist, not a single “soul-mate” and everybody is somewhat mercenary in pursuing their needs. While exceptions probably exist, it is highly improbable that any given person would stand by you when you are broke as a dog, or sick as one. Observation of the relationships around me has taught me that. Such love exist towards one’s children, and in fairy tales, but not romantically in the real world.
http://alphadominance.com/?p=493
We ultimately do fulfill functions for each other, needs, if you will and without this we would have little reason to come together in the first place. Love and trust, outside of chemical lust are indeed wonderful, but they take a long time to develop and even then are often misplaced.
Whether with many women or just one, sex is a primal and fundamental need of men. Far less so for women, and this juxtaposition, I feel, is the cause of a majority of breakups. Sex for men is a biological need just like food or needing to use the bathroom. You can wait for a bit, but the need only becomes stronger. In marriage you bargain away your ability to have sex as needed at the risk of you financial well-being. A Faustian bargain if I’ve ever heard of one.
Here is a good illustration of the women’s views of sex:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200702u/no-sex
Here is the biological basis for why it is destined to fade in a long-term committed relationship, and you only need to be monogamous, not even married. If a woman knows she’s the only game in town, she has little incentive to continue to try.
http://alphadominance.com/?p=14
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If you wish to think me immature, you do so at the risk of considering my entire gender immature, because the position I advocate is shared by men of all ages and life experiences as evidenced by the wide readership Roissy generates and the plethora of blogs devoted to these topics.
Oh, for crying out loud.
Blogging does not reality make.
Readership does not agreement make.
And you do not the entirety of manhood make. (One might argue that you’re not even a part of it.)
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Nice. Resorting to maligning one’s manhood is the last resort of one without a valid argument to make. Do you feel better now?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but really, come off it.
And I didn’t mean to imply that every man shared my opinion, just that a great many do in all stations of life, married men, men with children, old and young. The societal changes we were addressing are much bigger than the blogosphere or the readers here.
The main question we were debating was whether men who defer or decline marriage and child-rearing should be considered immature as a consequence. My case was that they should not. It is evident from the discussions that many here agree there are benefits to a man to deferring commitment until at least his thirties. Is this being immature?
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gig
Sara, do you collect child support from the beta provider who did this to mankind?
Yes, yes, gig!! I confess! Shall I have him killed too? Just say the word. (‘_’)
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Alphadominance, you’re correct that some things we’ll have to agree to disagree on, but I do enjoy an exchange of thoughts and challenges to think about things I may not have previously considered.
One thing that caught my eye though is the insistence that you are accepting things as they are, and cannot change them.
I too accept things as they are, though I do not allow the statistics of what the majority is doing, to override the minority. Few marriages/committed cohabitations may be successful, but I wish to be in one of those few. I think I have been, on some level, although most would not view a divorce or a breakup as a success.
As I see it, a couple allowing each other freedom without penalties is a sign of a successful relationship. Those two people respect one another, and have learned and taken something good from that relationship.
So if one’s relationships are ending naturally because of some kind of incompatibility, then that is mature people making a mature decision. It was fun but we don’t match, so we free one another to find a better match.
What is adolescent is treating human beings like disposable products. Granted, if someone volunteers, it is natural that someone will answer the call, but why does it have to be you? What exactly does that lifestyle do for you?
You seem to believe that it will protect you from something…that serial monogamy is your best chance of avoiding the possible pitfalls of commitment.
Have you considered however, the pitfalls of serial monogamy?
Do you believe that just because you are male, you will somehow be protected from the consequences?
It seems to me that you are already paying them, but you just don’t realize it.
Perhaps it is worth it to you. I can’t decide what should and shouldn’t be worth something to you. I can only say that the more you say about it, the more adolescent it seems. Your whole rationale for your choice is based on fear.
A healthy fear is a good thing. It keeps you from doing stupid things. However, to not allow yourself the possibility of a deep, enduring love because of statistics…I can’t imagine how much pain went into that decision.
Did you ever think perhaps that this self controlled, calculated, policy forming is symptomatic of extreme sensitivity? Callouses aren’t formed from lack of trauma.
Just because something is rare does not make it a pointless pursuit.
…and as far as changing the world, if I die without having done any of that, then I will believe that I can’t. Until then, I do my best.
One doesn’t need to be in denial to believe in their own potential for greatness. The only thing stopping you is you, not the trials and troubles of the herd.
Let them go and live your life…and if the result is that you end up dying in the arms of a 19 year old hottie you met at a flower shop the previous day, so be it. However, consider that this 19 year old might well be not into legal marriage because of the Faustian bargain issue, and could later cohabit with a guy for life, and shag him to death too, when she’s 65 and feeling naughty after her dose of evening primrose oil. Just don’t limit yourself or decide what can’t be, just because of the crap going on around you.
Don’t let the other crabs in the bucket pull you back down with them is all.
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OB PIRATE:
No, it screams that you care about your girlfriend like a normal person. If your girlfriend has a personality disorder that makes her resent you for helping her, it doesn’t make you a beta. It just makes her a crazy person.
The entire basis of “asshole game” is that women, or at least the women PUAs go after, are fucked in the head.
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Wonderful story.
I loved the part where you said: “Don´t play these drama games with me.”
99% of all the AFCs would not have passed her test when she called and was all desperate about the accident.
From her peculiar and original really AFG ( Average Frustrated Girl ) “provider-seeking” strategy I draw the conclusion that she has bee very long single..
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cheers, Franco
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Cheers, Franco
The Godfather is among us!
Sweet.
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This I will be posting in my three favorite blogs, by men who seem to be similar to me, and who seem to be moving/have moved towards the same direction as me.
It is more like a rant, but any advice that may come out of this is to my benefit, and any lesson any man can take out of it, will be to their benefits, as these bloggers have done for me.
During a party I attended on the weekend, an acquaintance told me, after telling me “Your reputation precedes you”, that “The girls all want you badly, but they are afraid you will be using them “
To give an explanation, I am an intelligent guy, good looking, aggressive looking and an attitude definitely not nice, but also not hardcore asshole. As I will explain later, herein lies the problem.
To further help my point, the dude who told me that is a gym instructor, is married, has two kids, is what girls would call a “cute asshole”, and he has slept with unknown number of women in the gym, women who all know that he is married and is a father of two.
I divide men into a few groups, from the attractiveness point of view, and have seen that women have different modes of operation towards these men, mind you, these are my observations and experiences, so scientifically they may not be valid. And I am talking about attractiveness to girls from 6 to up, as I have no interest in anything less attractive myself.
The Invisible: this is the Under-Average Joe. Invisible to these girls, with a change in attitude, may rise to the next level, but very difficult, as he is, invisible. Nice or not nice.
The Average Joe : Women know these guys exist, and maybe even will sleep with him in their prime, if the winds of luck were blowing towards him. Usually nice guys, if they display attitude or status, they may get laid more often, i.e. Increasing the lucky numbers on a dice. Still, these average less lifetime partners than the Average Jane. (one has to keep in mind the overreporting and underreporting issues in the surveys) This and the upper compose 80% of men.
The Nice Attractive Dick: Past-prime marriage material. Better than Average Joe, but still these are the dudes who get sex mainly in relationships. Spontaneous fucking in high numbers is kind of out of their reach. 15%…
The Bad/Lesser Attractive Dick : Now we are moving up a good number of levels, these guys are in a realm, that the Average Joe possibly gets a hint of, these men get laid quite often, but lack the qualities that would make them the ideal life partner for women. But getting laid, oh yes. (2%)
“The One” Dick: This man is more attractive than “the Bad/Lesser Attractive Dick”, sexually and long term. This is the man who women look at and whisper to their girlfriends about, and is the man they want to commit to. (and herein lies the curse). This man is confident, has intelligence, the status, usually the looks, and has attitude. Swings between good behavior and bad behavior. (2%)
The Semi God Dick: these are the men that override women’s inhibitions arising from long term thinking. Few men in hundred are like this, in my observations, around 1. These are the men who rack up thousand partners if they want, and have more coming to them. Would be movie stars , music stars (rnb, rap, pop, rock), genuine assholes, certified thugs, male models, trust fund kids with attitude, and so on. Not even the top 4% of men stated above have an idea of what is going on there.
In this text, using the above grouping seems better than simple Alpha-Beta grouping. Correct me if I am wrong.
So, back to “The girls all want you badly, but they are afraid you will be using them “.
Tells me I am an attractive man
I would respect the girls’ feeling of not wanting to be used. In the end I do give a “don’t give a flying fuck” vibe, while I still (sometimes) treat them with a level dignity no matter how uncaring, unattached I am. I astill don’t call the “whore” to their face… “you wanna fuck” is more like me. Call it Bad boy with a heart, Gentleman Asshole or whatever.
I would respect it if they kept their fucking legs closed. But no, they have to fuck the drunk the same night they told me about dignity, they have to rack up 100+ partners when talking to me about if they were used by me they’d lose their dignity.
Ladies, you fucked your rights to expect decent treatment away. You fucked your sexual value, long term asking price to the ground.
When this dude told me that I thought, “bitches, this is the reason why you will not get commitment out of me”.. Tell me you want me, then fear being used, and then bang the drunk dude, or this slimy mofo,… no, no, no.. It aint that way.
You want respect from me, bang me, and then post-bang, prove to me you are selective in a way that respects quality, and intelligence, do not punish it.
See, the reason the “The Bad/Lesser Attractive Dick” (TBLAD) is banging easier than “”The One” Dick” (TOD) is this. “”The One” Dick” you want to father your child. Carry his gene to eternity, and also want him long term. TBLAD is good for a fuck, also good for genes, but not a good man to live with forever, so you don’t mind getting used by him, because anyway you are using him for your sexual pleasure. Now the TOD is a much better prospect, making you all wet and such, but you want him long term, so what do you do, you do not fuck him, and if he approaches you, you punish him this way or that. Needless to say the Semi God Dick is above all this. It is a “fuck him no matter what” category.
You can rave all you want “I am afraid he will use me”… You know what, precisely because of those words he will use you, because when you utter those words, it is clear you were rewarding the assholes etc, but being careful about TODs, and not giving them what they want, which is essentially the same as the assholes, even though you crave more for the TODs.
I know who you were fucking and who you were not. By these choices you made, you lost the right to be treated the way you want to be treated.
Yes, I will not curse at you, nor will I call you names. I will not slap you either.
What I will do, is pump and dump.
Fuck and chuck.
Uzem and Luzem.
Because when you rewarded low quality, you lessened your value. And destroyed any right to ask me for anything other than a cheap and easy lay, where I preserve the right to do whatever gets you to spread your legs, and then make a 180 if I feel like.
If you were keeping your legs closed, then I would have taken that fear of being used as a fear of being used, and would actually raise your dignity value in my eyes.
But you cant fucking keep your legs closed when horny, can you. Oooooh… but he is quality man, so he will use meeeee… Better I fuck this drunk dude, he cant use meeeeee…
And I am going to respect that?
Fuck you.
Fuck,
I was told
“If he was intelligent and left in the morning she would feel used, but he was dumb, so she did not feel bad in the morning when she left”..
By an exceptionally intelligent and gorgeous woman. Also damaged goods, (btw in this case intelligent does not lower his alpha status, but still has a negative impact because he knows what he is doing??? He is a good long term prospect?? A catch???)
And I am supposed to respect that?
Fuck you.
The intelligent man sees this.
You cunts shot yourself in your own cunts.
Btw, for the shamers out there,
I have fucked more women than 95% of men, and in doing so I have fucked attractive ones, slept with many, fucked some, got fucked by some. So don’t try “the cant get laid” shit on me.
Oh, I fucked girls from every circle, so don’t try that “Not all girls are like that” shit either.
These words I heard were the last in a long string of events that brought me to the point to either,
– Cut down the intelligence when dealing with the broads as long as I have no interest in committing
– Increase bad behavior to override or burn the long term qualities.
– Inflate the intelligence and the attitude to reach a God like image. As if I would be cumming diamonds or something.
Damn.
Your opinions are welcome.
And a last word to the ladies,
Your choices have fucking consequences.
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Unlike much of this blog, I believe this story. A girl with no self-confidence and inadequate coping skills stuck around for someone like you. Which is pretty much the only circumstances under which anyone would.
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Oh. We have two Graces now. Well, this is what happens when you don’t comment in a while. Boo. I am sad.
-Original Grace.
P.S. OOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhh. I just realized I can call myself “OG”. I get to be an Original Gangsta! Holla!!!
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@ironrailsironweights
“a medical study now shows that women with high levels of estrogen are more likely to cheat on their partners. Hasn’t it been the conventional wisdom that women with high levels of testosterone are the cheaters?”
Both hormones regulate female sex drive. It’s complicated.
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Funny, I wouldn’t have even picked up the phone.
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If you were really an asshole, you wouldn’t have even showed up.
z.g.: Good deconstruction of male populations. The whole alpha/beta dichotomy is too simplistic and adds too much of a machismo connotation to the issue.
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