A woman recently uploaded this photo of herself to Craigslist Rants and Raves (DC edition) asking random strangers on a board renowned for its sadistic cruelty to guess her age. (Craigslist RnR is the new American art form.)
The guesses ranged from 38 to 47. I bet those were not the answers she was hoping for. Had she included her face, it would be an open and shut case. This is a classic example of “I’m not grossly fat like 80% of women my age, so guys will think I’m much younger than I am” female game.
I will now explain why this version of female game fails every time. This is what men immediately notice with just a split second glance:
Veiny, saggy, pendulous boobs held in place by super strength, high tensile, steel reinforced megabra.
Half acre areola spread. (Like the ears and nose, the areolas continue growing with age until they consume the entire breast. See: Old issues of National Geographic.)
Flabby triceps. Shapely upper arms on a woman are like a canary in the coalmine — when they start crapping out the total war of age related destruction is right around the corner.
Undulating ripples of flesh along the obliques. The middle-lower back along the sides is quick to betray the effects of fat accumulation, muscle atrophy, and weakening of the collagen/elastin matrix.
Wrinkly wenis. The back of the elbow is a dead giveaway of the ravages of aging.
Stomach pouch. Where’s the joey?
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You cannot con the cock. Men have eagle eyes that can spot a woman’s fertile youth from an altitude of 5,000 feet. This is why plastic surgery continues to be such an abysmal failure in this day of rapidly progressing modern capitalistic medicine. The subtle cues of feminine youth and beauty are highly resistant to rejuvenation by the brute force of hatchet, axe, and laser.
To those women who don’t want to believe what I say, think about it like this: As perceptive as you are at ascertaining the betas (sometimes within two seconds before the beta even opens his mouth) from the alphas, we men are just as perceptive, if not moreso, at separating the hot stuff from the has beens.
My goal here isn’t to mindfuck you for my own personal amusement (although that is part of it). I have a larger purpose — to end the dark reign of truth-killing platitudes and feelgood lies of uplift that particularly afflict the weak minds of women and which do nothing to prevent the day of reckoning but do everything to slow progress toward fighting the noble battle against the final judgement. I dream of a world where women remain beautiful for their entire lives, bringing decades upon decades of enjoyment to men like myself for whom beautiful women are one of the great pleasures of life. It is an unholy tragedy that a woman’s bloom should wilt so soon. Aging is a wicked disease, like cancer or Parkinson’s, and must be treated as such. So the next time your older friend asks you if she’s still “got it”, tell her the truth.
“No, your prime years are over. But you’re a wonderful shopping companion.”
You will save her years of roaming the dating wilderness searching fruitlessly for the elusive alpha who would commit to her. Stand tall with pride that you spared the world another deluded mangy cougar. Teach her the valuable lesson of settling.
Ladies, your window is small. Get crackin’!
Is it really true that the areola spread grows throughout a woman’s lifetime, or are you just talking out of your bung hole?
This chick’s triceps are nowhere near as wobbly as what you see on many women. Also, her stomach pouch and oblique rippling, in addition to being relatively minor, may be accentuated by the position in which she is standing.
I’d guess her as being in the 30 to 35 range. Possibly up to 40, but not higher.
Peter
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“hatchet, axe, and laser”
Was that a Rush reference?
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I didn’t know that about areoleola. Fascinating.
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Her triceps are flabby. She is just flexing for the picture. You can see the fat just above the elbow.
Her unnaturally high and tight boy shorts are a ploy to suck in her FUPA. The nature of her FUPA also indicates she’s nearing 40 if not over that tumultuous hill. There is the fat FUPA and the old woman FUPA. This lady’s FUPA is of the solid kind that comes with age.
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Brutal.
BTW, this is a good article from the Atlantic that basically says the same thing.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/single-marry
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> Dr. Grzlickson
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> “hatchet, axe, and laser”
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> Was that a Rush reference?
Clearly.
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Her unnaturally high and tight boy shorts are a ploy to suck in her FUPA.
I don’t think so. If that were the case, there would be a bulge of fat immediately above the waistband. There isn’t one.
Peter
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The saga of evolutionary deception continues! As you say it’s truly too bad they go to pot so quickly. All the more reason to defer cashing in your chips as a man until you reach your peak value. Like I said yesterday, women are so frequently deluded as to their degree of appeal. I think it’s because even when they are past their prime many men will hit on them in the hopes of an easy lay that they become confused into thinking this means they are of genuine interest to the fellas. Ladies, men will always try to fuck you, the real measure of your desirability is how many marriage proposals you’ve had in the past year.
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iron:
The FUPA is hardened. Much like the beer belly of an older man compared to the lard of a younger one, the fat doesn’t cascade out of it’s container, it just expands the container. No mushroom top here indicates that her hardened old-woman FUPA is merely stretching the underwear.
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She’s probably old but the imperfections you point out aren’t such good indications of age. There are plenty of younger people that have similar imperfections. By far the biggest clue to her age is the fact that she is posting a picture online seeking reassurance that she’s not old. Without that incredibly telling social cue (no way a woman in her 20 or even early 30s would post a picture to have people guess how old she is) it would become much harder to guess whether she is reasonably good looking for a middle aged woman or sort of in rough shape for a young woman.
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The FUPA is hardened. Much like the beer belly of an older man compared to the lard of a younger one, the fat doesn’t cascade out of it’s container, it just expands the container. No mushroom top here indicates that her hardened old-woman FUPA is merely stretching the underwear.
An older man’s beer belly can be firm (it can happen with younger men too) because much of the fat is not on top of the abdominal muscle wall, but is so-called visceral fat distributed around the internal abdominal organs. There is relatively little fat on top of the muscle wall, hence the appearance of firmness.
It may be possible for a woman’s FUPA to have a similar internal(visceral) vs. external fat distribution, but I’ve never heard that to be the case. In fact the development of visceral fat higher up in the abdomen is pretty much a male-only phenomenon and is a significant part of the reason why men take dirt naps so much earlier than women.
Peter
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This is why the best way to marry is when the guy is 32-35, and his blushing bride 23-24.
Guys in our society are too immature to marry before 30, and don’t hit their stride until 32 or so. But if they are much older, especially over 40 guys areoften too settled in their ways to marry someone, and are past their own attractiveness peak.
A woman, on the other hand, doesn’t know what she want until she is about 22. Much past 25, she becomes jaded, and misses out on the pair-bonding she would have done with her husband while in her early 20s.
The 8-12-year difference in ages is also optimal for relative attractiveness with regards to ageing.
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Aside from the freckling that comes naturally to a redhead, this woman’s skin does not have the network of fine lines that you would normally expect to see on an older woman, especially one who spent a lot of time in the sun, as this lady evidently has.
She has big breasts that would sag if let out of that bra but that’s not unusual with big breasts.
I suspect you haven’t seen enough old-lady bosoms to know what sagging really looks like. An older breast, even a large one, looks “empty”, as tissue is replaced by fat, which is less buoyant. No bra could make an older breast swell so convincingly.
These breasts look full, not empty – in fact, I suspect the woman might be nursing a baby, the way her breast tissue spills over the top of her bra, something uncommon except in nursing mothers, even when wearing a too-small bra.
Size of the areola is determined by heredity, the natural size of the breast, and baby-nursing, not by age. I’ve seen many large ones on very young woman, invariably those with (natural) big breasts.
Sigh. She’s a silly woman to offer herself for inspection this way.
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There is nothing wrong with this woman roissy! your just gay
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She’s a silly woman to offer herself for inspection this way.
Or someone else posted her picture on Craigslist without her knowledge.
Peter
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iron:
The FUPA in this case is more similar to the distended belly of a starving African child.
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Why would she setting herself up for, well, this exact post?
Ahhh, no areola spread, don’t even want to think about it.
@ Gunner
I agree 100% with the self reassurance
Why don’t some women just take better care of themselves? I understand some women don’t care, but apparently this woman does. Gym, gym, gym, I can’t stress enough how much of an -impact- this could be on a woman of her age. This gives me inspiration to, well, take better care of myself.
There are much better pantie sets that could potentially make her look more flattering…If she is posting pictures like this, she needs to learn.
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The broad in the photograph suffers from having obviously tented up and deflated a couple of times, probably with the assistance of lots of chocolate and alcohol and at least one kid. Ones who don’t do these things can remain better preserved, especially if they stay out of the sun. Helen Mirren is a pretty good counterexample. She’s 63 in that link. Of course, she’s unfathomably wealthy, genetically gifted (Russian royal blood) and never had kids, so the point stands. Photo broad could improve her appearance with proper diet and exercise, rather than relying on her genetics. She should also quit drinking.
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PA is right on the money as usual.
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some people are just gluttons for punishment
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She looks about 38, at least. Definitely no younger. Women, as soon as they hit 25, need to be notified (subtlely or otherwise) that their trajectory is now down. Too many bitches at 30 or even 35, with biological clocks approaching midnight, think they are still hot shit.
P.S. I got a problem. Chick I’ve been emailing on the internet wants a photo. I told her I’d send her one on her cell. She said I give her my name, she’ll give me her #, so I did. Now I don’t get an email back. It’s been a few days. This girl seemed really friendly and cool and just flaked out. Next move to interest her and/or piss her off?
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Peter,
You seem to really want to stand up for this woman…. wait is that your mom Pete? Does she have a GNP?
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@Jack
“Next move to interest her and/or piss her off?”
Send her a dick pic from the top down so she gets a bird’s eye view of your pee hole
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Peter,
You seem to really want to stand up for this woman…. wait is that your mom Pete? Does she have a GNP?
Mom ….? How could you!?
But seriously, this woman is not bad looking at all. Any man who does not have absurdly high standards knows that.
Peter
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“Aging is a wicked disease, like cancer or Parkinson’s, and must be treated as such.”
You’re delusional. On the one hand, I enjoyed this post because you seemed to be suggesting a sober acceptance of things as they are. But then you transition into a childish rant about reality not being the way you like it.
Shouting at the rain is no different than posting a pathetic pic on a website in hopes of hearing how young you look. Both you and this woman fail to accept reality and come to terms with it.
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the real give-away that she’s old is that she didn’t post her face, and that she asked people to guess her age based on her body.
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I’d bet that bitch is 50.
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Yeah, why else would she refuse to post her face on Craigslist?
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“I suspect you haven’t seen enough old-lady bosoms to know what sagging really looks like.” – Clio
Let’s keep it that way.
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roissy– last night i dreamed that i met my high school boyfriend & he was an aspiring pick-up artist. i became his wingman & i taught him your rule of 2/3. for which he was grateful. so you made it into my dreams.
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Alphadominance, I don’t think any of us over 30, or especially over 35 think younger men are interested in more than an easy lay.
Every once in awhile though, one of the little buggers surprises us.
I’ll see if my protoge will take a crack at this photo. He has a good eye.
Peter, try to remember that people hate the most in others what they hate about themselves. A man who doesn’t have alot of money or status becomes increasingly invisible as he ages as well, but unlike a woman, there won’t be women throwing themselves at a poor old guy even for just an easy lay.
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@Jack
“Next move to interest her and/or piss her off?”
definitely ‘nuke the pussy from orbit’ game. animated gif of your balls pic with the text message “suck it”
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I’d love to see some pointers here for Inauguration Day game. Best ways to transfer that buying temperature over my way, and I ain’t talkin number closes.
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She posted the pic on a board known for sadistic cruelty and found it. Asian women age better. I’m a giver.
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off topic, but i wonder if the G Manifesto started http://www.swoopo.com.
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doesn’t this chick have one friend with a high-res camera she can borrow? Too many blemish hiding digital artifacts (which are suspiciously colored the same way as veins) in this pic for a solid analysis. Forget about skin texture. With a post like this, guys have to assume the worst. Looks like they did. ;o
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Alias Clio:
Aside from the freckling that comes naturally to a redhead, this woman’s skin does not have the network of fine lines that you would normally expect to see on an older woman, especially one who spent a lot of time in the sun, as this lady evidently has.
She has big breasts that would sag if let out of that bra but that’s not unusual with big breasts.
I suspect you haven’t seen enough old-lady bosoms to know what sagging really looks like. An older breast, even a large one, looks “empty”, as tissue is replaced by fat, which is less buoyant. No bra could make an older breast swell so convincingly.
These breasts look full, not empty – in fact, I suspect the woman might be nursing a baby, the way her breast tissue spills over the top of her bra, something uncommon except in nursing mothers, even when wearing a too-small bra.
Size of the areola is determined by heredity, the natural size of the breast, and baby-nursing, not by age. I’ve seen many large ones on very young woman, invariably those with (natural) big breasts.
Sigh. She’s a silly woman to offer herself for inspection this way.
Must resist…urge…to make…crass…joke…
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She could learn this:
http://www.brandinfection.com/2009/01/12/photoshop-adbusting-in-berlin/
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Society does need to find some way to get women to get married and have children younger without interfering so much with education and their professional lives. Good, smart women aren’t having enough babies as a result of waiting too long and the often when they do they have to resort to elective abortion to avoid kids with Down’s and elf ears, etc… Unfortunately for many feminist ideals, the reality of reproductive biology is in the way.
It’s a simple fact that men physically and mentally mature later than women do. Because of the age-grouping in high school and college, women get an inflated impression of their worth to men. For the women who are too picky to find a man to settle down with when they are still hot, it must be a terrible shock when they wake up to realize that they’ve lost it. It must be even more of a shock when they see the men they went to school with that they thought were dorks now look really good but instead of these men worshiping them, they ignore them, or even worse pity them.
I actually think the woman in the picture looks good (with a decent face and personality match, I can’t say I wouldn’t do her) but she’s certainly lost a lot from her spring chick days. While it is true that there is no way to really hide age, I have to give her credit for trying her best. She could be a fairly normal person and just got a divorce. Lots of women just give up on their appearance at that age – why complain about the few like her that do. It’s not like she’s hideous, she’s just not hot like she was when she was 25.
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“Like the ears and nose, the areolas continue growing with age until they consume the entire breast.”
Like meaty tree rings. I wonder if you can use them to determine drought years.
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Because of the age-grouping in high school and college, women get an inflated impression of their worth to men.
That’s actually a very good point.
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i have been known to boff a cougar….b/c to quote the rawness’ story from awhile back…”Sometimes the lion must eat grass”…..to have sustenance. i’ve boffed less attractive younger girls than the cougars I’ve done. out of a sense of some warped fair play, i feel compelled to offer them some of the ole’ skin flute…..and Roissy’s right, most men are not into the fake as hell look that plastic surgery produces. i’ll take flat as a board chick with a great ass over fake boobs and a flat ass any day of the week.
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roissy is right (again), yet understating.
the ugly truth is age is a flaw even beer goggles can’t fix:
Our study suggests that even heavy alcohol consumption does not interfere with age-perception tasks in men
contrast that to:
Researchers found that women who drink even moderately develop a reduced ability to rate attractiveness in male faces, even when they are sober
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Society does need to find some way to get women to get married and have children younger without interfering so much with education and their professional lives.
This is the exact result of the “you can have it all” LIE that feminism has pushed on women since the 60’s.
Sorry, you can’t.
If a woman want’s to have children and to raise them in the best environment and circumstances possible, she should find an older, successful man that has the resources to support her and their children, and get him to commit to marrying her and have kids and stay home and raise them…you know the traditional Patriarchal model that worked so well for millenia until the mindfuck of feminism pushed women into competing with men rather than complementing them in reproduction and child rearing.
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” “Because of the age-grouping in high school and college, women get an inflated impression of their worth to men. ”
That’s actually a very good point.”
it must be said again.
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Would not hit.
I’m very glad that I can’t pinpoint her age, other than being over 40. Shows I’m hanging around the right girls.
Biggest giveaway — her skin is matte. Young flesh is resplendent (ads are NSFW):
http://jailbaitgallery.com/index.php?id=9402
Her hair is sapped of all luster too.
And her gut looks mushy — if she were younger, there could be a bulge, but it would just look like an inflated balloon, not 50 pounds of gruel inside Saran Wrap.
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Because of the age-grouping in high school and college, women get an inflated impression of their worth to men.
What do you mean here? That their sense of worth compared to the average guy’s worth is inflated, from hanging around loser high school boys?
If age groups were thoroughly mixed up, young girls would have an even more inflated view of their worth — because they wouldn’t be comparing themselves to other PYTs, but to women aged 25 – death, who they would utterly destroy in a mixed mating market.
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What do you mean here?
JerrDogg’s original comment “Because of the age-grouping in high school and college, women get an inflated impression of their worth to men” followed his observation that males mature later than females.
In other words, school girls are used to boys their own age, in other words, boys who are less developed mentally and physically. This is how they develop and inflated impression of their self-worth.
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agnostic:
Womens’ short shelf life helps make JerrDogg’s case. An attractive 18 year old female can pull almost any guy she wants. An attractive 30 year old can pull plenty too, but the market isn’t as robust. Also, the fervor with which 18 year olds get hit on and ogled over is greater than that of a 30 year old. The 18 year old will certainly be riding that high wave of esteem through her 20s, and view herself in that light until she wakes up to realize she has lost her youthfulness.
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because they wouldn’t be comparing themselves to other PYTs, but to women aged 25 –
Girls’ inflated self-worth is vis-a-vis boys, not other females.
But even so, I wouldn’t bet being around 25-year-old women would be all that great for a teenage girl’s ego. They woudl probably, if anything, intimidate and maybe even do serious mental-warfare damage to an inexperienced teenage girls.
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This is why the best way to marry is when the guy is 32-35, and his blushing bride 23-24.
Admittedly, your life development stages ends up screwing me by depriving me for female friends to go hang out with since they’d be locked up in marriages, and leaves behind women with no common generational bonds.
Besides, what thirty-something male wants to pay for a big wedding and her student loans? Plus, she misses out on the fun stuff that women (and men) do now in their twenties.
BTW, the poor image quality makes it hard to determine her proper age, especially without a face. She could easily be a 45 year old who aged well or a 35 year old who aged quickly.
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Girls’ inflated self-worth is vis-a-vis boys, not other females.
That doesn’t sound right — girls get neurotic about not being pretty and popular enough, compared to other girls, not that they’re hotter or more in demand than same-age guys.
Same for guys judging their worth — it doesn’t make sense to judge your own worth on the mating market by comparing yourself to someone of the opposite sex.
But even so, I wouldn’t bet being around 25-year-old women would be all that great for a teenage girl’s ego. They woudl probably, if anything, intimidate and maybe even do serious mental-warfare damage to an inexperienced teenage girls.
Ha, it’s the other way around! Just ask the poor over-25 women who’ve tutored or taught high school girls. They say it’s like being sucked right back into the lion’s den, with all those pretty popular girls shit-testing them, making them feel excluded, “you’re just jealous,” etc.
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Basically, the groups who benefit most from a highly age-stratified mating market are young boys and old women — the former getting more access to nubile babes, and the latter more access to high-status guys.
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Basically, the groups who benefit most from a highly age-stratified mating market are young boys and old women
Would one be able to explain this in depth for better understanding?
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“the former getting more access to nubile babes”
this assumes that sexual activity is constant over all age-stratifications. plus, boys become sexually active at an older age than girls. post-adolescent young men through 30 something year-old men enjoy a tranch of females that are more highly sexually active, and the fact that women are generally a few years younger than their mates means this age group of men gets the best hybrid of age and sexual activity.
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Women hold up beautifully right through their 30s given proper lifestyle. Virtually no American women take proper care of themselves, so I can understand misapprehensions about a woman’s true shelf life.
Women tend to eat loads of starch and sugar, frying their endocrine systems and hormone profiles. They favor aerobic exercise over strength training and more intense sports (distance running ages you horribly with oxidative stress). Urban women generally choose to pile on stress, through work and also through high-key and often late night socializing. All these things cause premature aging.
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Dave from Hawaii:
I disagree. I think that a woman who loves to cook, raise a child (how can you let an uneducated woman raise your child?), look after a house making an ideal wife is going to do that anyway. Finding a man willing to commit these days is more difficult. Marriage within all the propaganda (ah, as early as Disney movies, it happens) is still marketed in this format. It’s still not the guy who’s going to take time off or give up his career for the children.
What feminism has done is that for women who are completely useless at these tasks (I can’t even fold, and I don’t look pretty so no husband), they can actually do something very productive with their lives, instead of leeching off relatives or someone else.
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David Alexander
Please shut the fuck up. Your life is one long complaint.
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WTF agnostic some of those girls were 13!
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Women hold up beautifully right through their 30s given proper lifestyle. Virtually no American women take proper care of themselves, so I can understand misapprehensions about a woman’s true shelf life.
Women tend to eat loads of starch and sugar, frying their endocrine systems and hormone profiles. They favor aerobic exercise over strength training and more intense sports (distance running ages you horribly with oxidative stress). Urban women generally choose to pile on stress, through work and also through high-key and often late night socializing. All these things cause premature aging.
Absolutely correct. The same thing happens to men too.
I can’t believe it when I run into former classmates, just how old they look. At 35, I still get carded frequently…while many of my peers look like they’re 45. But I do notice the women that eat terribly, don’t exercise, and have had a few kids look absolutely horrible.
I just ran into what was once the hottest cheerleader from my class the other day. I simply cannot believe that this girl who was the most desirable girl in school at 17 has turned into such a miserable wreck of a human specimen by 35.
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Why does anyone ever feed David Alexander on this board? It baffles me.
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YOung boys, in the 18-20, are not winners at all. Girls in that age group will always fall for the alphas 1-3 years older, who share some of their social circles. I mean, a guy who just finished colleged will have SOME overlap with the social circle of a hot girl who just entered, but only if he is an anti-DA with lots of friends.
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WTF agnostic some of those girls were 13!
“If there’s fluff on the muff, she IS old enuff” – Ali G
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Off topic, but I’m curious what others here think about this recent Dan Savage response to a girl who claims she was “raped.”
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=936054
Rape or no?
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Uh, yeah, that’s rape, really. Of course, simply wearing someone down with repeated attempts until she relents might allow a consent defense to work, and the evidence she destroyed by cleaning up would be irrelevant to a consent defense, so this is probably not going to be prosecuted, but it seems the guy has done a vile, squalid thing.
One of the better feminist blogs had a thread about the book _Yes Means Yes_, which is all about how women would have more consensual sex if they felt safe from rape, and the whole thing turned into a discussion of what women can do to prevent rape. A sad distraction from the original topic and intent.
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There is only one solution for this aging problem: suicide. Preferably mass suicide, as in Jim Jones cult style. Why continue to go on living if you are woman older than 30. Clearly the sole purpose of life is sex, feeling attractive, scoring, being wanted on a physical level and nothing more. As Roissy points out so eloquently, age is like a disease, and it is a disease we all are going to face, ending ultimately in death. Our once beautiful and supple bodies are destined rot in the grave, slowly and disgustingly, eaten by worms and other little bugs, unless we just roast them in some incinerator after we die. So what is the point? If the goal of all life is having sex, lots of fucking and nothing else, and your sole worth is determined by that, after a certain age the appropriate things to do is just kill yourself. For men, that should be after fifty. Some may make it to sixty, but certainly by seventy all men should just commit suicide. As I said unfortunately the women are not as lucky.
Imagine a mass suicide where all those destined to avoid aged ugliness drink the cool-aid, then have a mass orgy, and die while copulating. It would be a work of art. You could even put it on You Tube, with a running commentary by Roissy himself. Then again, pay-per-view sounds better. I would pay to watch that shit.
After all the undesirables have done to themselves what their Darwinian destinies demand, we would then have the Roissian paradise of nothing but young, nubile, smoking hot babes to be fucked by all the remaining men ages 12-72. I see a little competition there, with the younger, stronger men most likely killing a lot of the older men for those few women, but that is life. The dirty old men lusting after those hot young babes will have to be eaten up by the forces of nature as well. So the young men should enjoy the young babes while they can, before their time as the old guy comes and they too are disposed of by the next generation of young horny gamers.
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About their ages — it’s all a lie. They’re only “guesses” from viewers. But even that’s not true — I found out what percent of all girls are in each age group, and almost everyone is in the 15 group, a few in 14 and 16, and a tiny handful in 13 and 17 or 18.
The graph is so clean and nearly uniformly 15 that it must be fake — my guess is that the votes from viewers don’t count, and the developers do it themselves.
I mean, there are plenty of girls in there with visible tattoos whose “guessed age” is 15 or 16. Same with girls who are obviously 17 or 18 that say 14 or 15.
It’s just a lure that the developers use to make it seem more edgy.
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“If there’s fluff on the muff, she IS old enuff”
If the field has grass….PLAY BALL!
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She has also vindicated an ancient common-sense understanding of human nature: When it comes to sex, women represent the supply side of the equation and men are the demand.
This was what your rustic great-grandmother meant when she warned your grandmother, “He ain’t gonna buy the cow, if he’s gettin’ the milk for free.”
What great-grandma meant, of course, was that women who engage in pre-marital sex thereby lessen the incentives for men to seek marriage. And one reason her modern great-granddaughter is so infuriated by that adage is that the price-signals have become so confused in a market now flooded with free milk.
The best available research indicates that nowadays the average American girl first engages in sexual intercourse a few months before her 17th birthday. According to the Census Bureau, the median age at first marriage for women is 25.3 years.
Simple arithmetic, then, suggests that the typical American woman now is sexually active for more than eight years before her wedding. Research also indicates, however, that this typical woman is not particularly promiscuous during those eight years, since the median reported number of lifetime sexual partners for women was less than four. (Although more than 30 percent reported having at least seven sex partners, of which about 11 percent reported at least 15 partners.)
How rare is a 22-year-old virgin nowadays? The CDC found that less than 9 percent of women 20-24 reported zero lifetime sexual partners, and less than 3 percent of women over 25 are still virgins. Do the math, then, and the inescapable conclusion is that the symbolic innocence of a white wedding is now nearly always a cynical expression of hypocrisy.
Continued – http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/first-night_privileges/
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lol, roissy, you’re not mindfucking anyone anymore
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There is only one solution for this aging problem: suicide. Preferably mass suicide, as in Jim Jones cult style. Why continue to go on living if you are woman older than 30.
HELL NO DeCailes, that would cause significant losses to my financial portfolio!
I’ve invested very heavily into cat food, cat litter and vibrator companies!
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free milk: “This was what your rustic great-grandmother meant when she warned your grandmother, “He ain’t gonna buy the cow, if he’s gettin’ the milk for free.”
What’s funny is the way women today often think that they’re not included in that axiom just because they personally might not give it away. Maybe they don’t, but lots of others do, and that lessens the “market value” for all women when it comes to marriage.
Which was probably the goal of feminists everywhere. Why be supported by a husband and raise kids when you can work work work for the man?! Women are still enslaved, except the enslavement is to bosses, not husbands, which is why marriage is a bad deal today.
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“People are too depressed to be sexually active,” Flynt said in the statement. “This is very unhealthy as a nation. Americans can do without cars and such but they cannot do without sex.”
“With all this economic misery and people losing all that money, sex is the farthest thing from their mind. It’s time for congress to rejuvenate the sexual appetite of America. The only way they can do this is by supporting the adult industry and doing it quickly.”
+ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/07/porn-industry-seeks-federal-bailout/
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@DeCaelis “There is only one solution for this aging problem: suicide. Preferably mass suicide, as in Jim Jones cult style. Why continue to go on living if you are woman older than 30. ”
Fortunately, bad science fiction has already had this idea: Run, Runner!
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hands betray age
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Tupac,
Would I call it rape? Yes, if her story is an accurate account. The legal and moral threshold is consent and her “consent” was only under duress. Prosecutable as rape? F*ck no – not even close. But, just because something isn’t punishable by the state doesn’t make it right. I can understand the BF being a little skeptical, but why would she tell him right away about it if it was intentional or consensual behavior? Unfortunately I think this chick’s getting a raw deal.
I like the response: the guy needs to be told that he forced her and was way the f*ck out of line. Otherwise the guy might think this is an okay way to get some and that all chicks really want it unless they spray you with mace. Unfortunately, I don’t really see how there’s a whole lot more that can be done about this.
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Men, despite having virtually unlimited sperm reserves, are still time-constrained. If we would find aged women just a little less attractive than nubile ones, we would be tempted to fuck only the easily-laid infertiles.
Ceteris paribus, the continuation of our species simply requires that men vastly prefer young women, and can distinguish age easily. More specifically, assuming that our sex-drives remain constant, the pleasure of fucking a young woman must more than offset the easiness of an older woman.
This fact — that in nature, ageing must be inevitable and easily distinguishable — is, of course, a tragedy. But such is evolution: it only finds effective reproduction strategies; it doesn’t care about the happiness of the specimens.
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DeCaelis: Clearly the sole purpose of life is sex, feeling attractive, scoring, being wanted on a physical level and nothing more.
You’re equivocating all meanings of “purpose of life” with the evolutionarily produced one (i.e., reproduction).
Certainly, there is more to life than just reproduction. You can be accomplished in your craft; be a good friend; or generally just have fun with your life. To be realistic, at the same time we can’t escape our evolutionary instincts — in Schopenhauer’s words, we can’t “will what we will” — the permavirgins and spinsters of this world will probably never be fully happy (but even they can at least be non-miserable).
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I’m a decent looking guy with standards.
I’d bust a nut on her fat tummy, but i wouldn’t take her out.
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Tupac,
Would I call that rape? Definitely not.
First of all, what she’s writing is going to be shaded as much as she can to make it sound like rape since she’s not responsible if it is rape. Why does she care if she’s responsible? Well, she’s trying to convince her boyfriend that she can be trusted enough to not cheat on him constantly. Given that she’s shaded the story as much as she can (without having any way of totally calling her a liar if he were to investigate), let’s look at what she writes:
“When we got to the car, he pushed me against the car and started making out with me.”
“Started making out with me”? Every single guy alive has gotten the head turn at least once in their life. Making out isn’t a one person activity.
“I had several beers, and while I wasn’t drunk, I was tipsy. I had to go to my car to get my cell phone, and my ex offered to accompany me.”
Ok, she agreed to isolation with a guy when she was drunk on a pretty lame excuse. Girls don’t initiate most of the time; if they want something to happen, they offer isolation. Looking at this logically, why did she go to the car with him in particular (from a party)? She didn’t know anyone else there? More likely, she was flirting with her ex, was getting turned on, had an impulse to be alone with him and invented a story that allowed that to happen (why did she need the phone right then? no reason, but a handy excuse to leave).
“I know it sounds stupid, but all I could get out were meek “nos” and “I can’ts.” I was afraid of a confrontation because he and I have been friendly since we broke up.”
So out loud (not in her head, which no one else can hear), she said “no” a few times while she was making out with her ex. Gee, I’ve never heard of a woman softly saying “no” during foreplay. Next thing you’re going to tell me is that when a woman says (out of nowhere) “we’re not having sex” it means that she’s planning on having sex with the guy. I find this hard to believe.
“I eventually discontinued my attempts to pull my pants back up because I figured the easiest way to get out of this situation was to let him finish. He had sex with me. I wanted to cry the whole time, but as much as I wanted to scream, “Stop! Get the fuck off of me!” I couldn’t get the words out.”
As mush as she wanted to scream, she didn’t. Screaming is a pretty simple act and will draw attention.
What happened here is that her head and her pussy were in conflict. Her head said “I have a nice boyfriend and I don’t want to cheat on him”. Her pussy wanted her ex. Her external behavior was entirely controlled by her desire for her ex while she felt kinda bad about doing it. The next day, she wants to have it both ways. That guy raped her even though she gave exactly zero sign that she didn’t want to fuck him when they were fucking.
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From the author of the column, who thinks she was raped:
“Your ex kept coming at you, and you were paralyzed by a set of inhibitions—a desire to avoid confrontation at all costs (even the cost of your own violation), a desire to avoid making your victimizer feel bad—that are pounded into the heads of girls and young women.”
Uh, what? Women are inhibited about saying “no” to guys? Women say “no” to guys between dozens and hundreds of times per day depending on circumstances and the desire to avoid confrontation or to avoid making her “victimizer” feel bad never really comes into it.
The column author is a gay man, however, and may not be familiar with women.
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“There is only one solution for this aging problem: suicide. Preferably mass suicide, as in Jim Jones cult style. Why continue to go on living if you are woman older than 30. ”
Brave New World; but more fun. Two years til doomsday. Clocks-a-tickin!
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Roissy, the real tragedy here is your going on and on and on ad nauseam regarding the so-called tragedy of aging. I was with a man who was 18 years older than I and like you, I just could not get into it because of the huge age gap. He was developing the old person smell, and had some fairly serious health issues. I loved him dearly as a friend and should have kept it that way. Yada, yada, you know this story but apparently must be reminded that the counterpart for the cougar is the dirty old man. (Or just plain old in this case.)
Here’s a newsflash: MEN AGE TOO and one day your weenie will be at half mast without liver killing drugs like Viagra and testosterone in which case you’ll be very smelly and pathetic yourself. Aging gracefully is a thing of beauty and you will be an ugly old, dirty old man unless you face the fact that it’s a perversion for a 50+ year old man to still be lusting after 25 year olds. Yes, if you’re rich they may fuck you, like Hefner, but trust me, they’ll be laughing behind your back.
As a mangy cougar, I’m amazed at the young men who hit on me regularly. One in particular recently simply could not believe I did not want a one night stand with him. He was quite handsome but I told him I’d rather shoot myself in the head than have a one night stand with anyone. I like to know exactly who is putting their dick in me. At least HE was straight forward and I respect that.
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“If there’s fluff on the muff, she IS old enuff” – Ali G
Sorry Ali, but that’s a tragically obsolete expression :(((((
Peter
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Hey guys I’m looking for an ugly, healthy masculine man–as opposed to an idiotic dime a dozen roissy style alpha asshole-with a good job. When I say “ugly” I mean not too pretty, because they are just as insecure and self absorbed as a beautiful women. In other words they treat you like shit and expect to be worshipped.
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benedict smith
Roissy’s right, most men are not into the fake as hell look that plastic surgery produces. i’ll take flat as a board chick with a great ass over fake boobs and a flat ass any day of the week.
Nice to hear a man express this.
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“I had several beers, and while I wasn’t drunk, I was tipsy…”
Hmm… If she’s a 120lbs chick, she _was_ drunk. Several beers would put me over 0.10. Not only are chicks smaller, but they lack certain digestive enzymes that most guys have that break down 1/3 of alcohol before it absorbs. Her BAC was probably 0.20. That’s like a dude my size drinking well over half a case. Maybe I’m a lightweight but I’m a little more than tipsy after that much- I’m drunk.
I know of 4 cases where a chick claimed to have been date raped (2 where the cops were involved). In 3 of the cases the woman completely recanted the story after a year and admitted that it was voluntary later. All 3 involved ex-boyfriends but 2 were caught in the act by new BF and the other got knocked up and went psycho while prego. So they had an incentive to make up some BS story to not feel like a slut or be called a slut. So I’m not naive… a lot of face-saving BS gets thrown around on this.
I’d still call it a rape if her story is an accurate account(but I have serious doubts). Sure chicks will sometimes be coy, but she said (again assuming her account is accurate) that she kept saying no and pulling her pants up. If a chick is really drunk and doing that to me I take that as a “No” and persisting at it is too coercive. I guess I’ve never had a chick pull up her pants on me. Also, why’d she tell her boyfriend about it right after if she really secretly wanted to bang the guy? If you’re a drunk slut why not hide it from your BF unless you’re caught?
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Sara, that’s not always true for men or for women. Someone being pretty, natural or media (beta-ful) has no bearing whatsoever on what they themselves prefer in a partner. It affects what they’re expected to like, but not always what they prefer.
Granted, most people are tools and do what they’re expected to do, but I advise caution in judging men by looks. They have a sort of a line just like women do, between the constraints of natural beauty, and conscious attempts at conforming to a media “ideal”. It is those conformity markers I’d watch out for, not the prettiness itself.
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“I guess I’ve never had a chick pull up her pants on me.”
Same here but I’ve seen all sorts of “LMR” (last minute resistance). Who knows if this part even happened. The rest is just so strongly indicative. She isolated, made out with the guy then put up some kind of face saving resistance but agreed to have sex.
“Also, why’d she tell her boyfriend about it right after if she really secretly wanted to bang the guy? If you’re a drunk slut why not hide it from your BF unless you’re caught?”
She’s at a party when this happens: my guess is that since there are so many witnesses she knows she’s caught (people saw them leave together and come back together and her pants were unzipped or something like that) or that she’s being “pro-active” and spinning this before it gets back to her boyfriend anyway. “Dude, your girlfriend was at that party and was all over her ex”. If he believes she was raped then he ignores this. If he hears this out of the blue he starts pumping her for info and she doesn’t know what she’ll say. Safer to just cry rape.
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fret not, Finefantastic, i will be happy to slap it in you the day after your 30th birthday
I don’t know how old the girl in the picture is. she might be young but just kinda chubby. You yanks love your high fructose corn syrup after all. I would still let her soak my mattress.
As a man who has fucked more women than Tampax, I can tell you that there is SOMETHING that happens to them mentally around age 27/28, that makes me not want to date them anymore. A misplaced sense of entitlement, perhaps.
Their bodies can be great til they are 40+, if they take outrageously good care of themselves. I do like the high hormones and lack of worldliness of the early twenties though.
el chief
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Tupac
This shit is what I hate about our “some genders are more equal than others” fuckin culture.
“I succumbed to force!” she says. Not force; persistence. Lost her traction on a slippery alcohol-lubed slope.
What part of “Get the fuck off me you asshole” was she unable to say?
Flip it around — some married guy lets his stalker ex pull his pants down and suck it “because he doesn’t want a confrontation.” Give that psycho-bitch 10 years in Rikers!
I’ll grant the possibility that the guy is a thug who cavemanned his fearful ex but even in that case I wouldn’t call it rape, just “trauma.” No threat of reprisal + no serious verbal/physical resistance = no rape. At least for an adult.
Is an 18-year-old girl an adult, or isn’t she?
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There’s a lot of criticism on boob jobs on the board. I have to say that there’s a lot of cosmetic surgeons that have poor aesthetic judgment and they are often placed incorrectly. Also, saline is dramatically inferior in feel to silicone. Silicone boobs are usually pretty darn good if placed right. The problem is that even though they rarely leak, when they do the material has to be removed. I don’t think the problem is cosmetic surgery but just procedures that aren’t done well.
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Days, I don’t think the availability of sex has decreased the value of chastity or its close cousin discretion for good. It seems there was a trend in the free-for-all direction, but now it’s balancing out.
Granted, I only have my own experiences and observations to go on for this, but every year I see women dropping like flies from the male sexual radar, some years younger than me, and yet women like my mom still turning heads…and moms is technically overweight.
I have mostly male friends, and some of them tell me that the reason for this boils down to innocence. Moms is not worn out and walking around in a constant state of contempt.
I’ve seen women as young as 25 with the assface and contimple (contempt dimple-wrinkle) combo though. So there are visible signs of being worn out. I strongly suspect they developed for some evolutionary reason.
I’d like to see more research done on older faces, to see if there’s a difference in perceptions of attractiveness and trustworthiness associated with certain wrinkle patterns. It might explain why some older women are still able to pull committers, though in fewer numbers, and some aren’t at all.
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As a man who has fucked more women than Tampax, I can tell you that there is SOMETHING that happens to them mentally around age 27/28, that makes me not want to date them anymore. A misplaced sense of entitlement, perhaps.
Yes, there is something. That’s when women are most likely to divorce, for some reason. I think it’s a hormonal shift. Sort of a second puberty. Perhaps more androgens begin to kick in.
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Ohmygoodness, that is it for me: I am NEVER going to be alone with a guy OR touch alcohol.
Even if it wasn’t rape, he was still a jerk of the highest order. If you’re a guy with even a piece of pride or kindness, you’d leave a woman until you know she really really is wanting it (i.e. actively getting involved and no PUSHING YOU OFF does not count).
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Everyone acts like it’s so easy to get a guy to marry you if you’re under 25, attractive, and with a sweet personality… even the beta’s are so weird and insecure that if you all of a sudden start giving them attention, they stop acting like they like you or get all high headed. and then you don’t want to be with them anymore because they’re acting like a wannabe alpha but they’re not.
and then there are the betas who turn into alphas and dump you out of nowhere. i was engaged to a very decent, hot beta and then he went and turned too alpha and dumped me cold. yet he says he still loves me. go figure… but love=marriage, i’m sorry.
too many betas don’t have the courage even to get married, i’m sorry.
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AT 27/28 she knows that either she divorces NOW or she is priced out of the sexual market.
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Seinfeld episode: Elaine and a girlfriend talking about guys. The girlfriend, a still-good-looking single woman in her thirties, discouraged with the men she meets, says:
(typing from memory) “There are two kinds of men, the good ones, and the mediocre ones. The good ones, they don’t feel the need to confine themselves to just one woman… the mediocre ones, they insist on reminding you of how mediocre they are, until you leave them”
She then asks Elaine: “Is Jerry (the show’s alpha main character) a good one or a mediocre one?”
Elaine: “He thinks he’s one of the good ones.”
Ever since coming across Alphas-Betas blogs, I’ve always thought that this short dialogue encapsulated so much of what we discuss here.
On a related note, teh show “Friends” was a parallel phenomenon, and sort of an anti-Seinfeld. Where “Seinfeld” was very witty, very adult, and for its time-period, very realistic about male-female dynamics, “Friends” was a sweet fairy tale of pretty girls and sexless sibling-like boys.
So why was “Friends” so popular with females?
The male love-interests were almost exclusively beta nice guys. When a minor character who was ALpha appeared in some episodes, he was always triansient and shown-up for the asshole he was. Example: early on, an Italian neighbor who sweeps Rachel off her feet, until he makes a pass at Phoebe. Or, a Latin waiter who works with Monica, and captures her heart until he reveals himself to be a “mysogynist” by writing a poem about women being “empty.”
I think I know why “Friends” was so popular with women. It was probably a wish-fulfillment fantasy about carefree living it up in the big city, sweetly ensconced in a comfy nest of girlfriends and doting beta-boys. No different than “Sex in the City.” Bot with one puzzling major exception — a lack of the alpha-male boyfirend/fling component of the female fantasy.
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European Game Show below…featuring these women.
http://www.break.com/index/sexy-french-game-show.html
Another proof how european women are hotter than american women.
Imagine is this takes place here…those women would have sued……
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There’s a difference between courage and stupidity, you know.
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“If the goal of all life is having sex, lots of fucking and nothing else, and your sole worth is determined by that,”
But it’s not the goal of all life. If you hold that reproduction — not just sex — is the sole ultimate goal of life, then PUAs are just as much a dead end as women beyond reproductive age (who, btw, may or may not already have had children.) Because what’s being advocated here is banging as many women as you can, not impregnating as many women as you can.
If you’re using reproduction as your yardstick, Sara is a much greater contributor than Roissy is: she’s already successfully passed on her genes and seen the child well on the way to adulthood.
And if you’re not using reproduction as your yardstick, then reproductive ability is merely one of several thousand contributory things one can bring to the table in order to be considered relevant.
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When you are a young woman, under 25, you shouldn’t be trying to marry men the same age. Your best bet is a guy in his late 20’s to early 30’s.
If that happened more often, then things might be easier for everyone. Also the laws would have to swing back to reality, too.
But women can “have it all” and shit. So fuck you.
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“And if you’re not using reproduction as your yardstick, then reproductive ability is merely one of several thousand contributory things one can bring to the table in order to be considered relevant.”
Trying to get people to give a shit on the internet isn’t one of them.
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Hey, I know TV has been beta’d out for a while, but did anyone else see the new Office episode this week? When Andy and Dwight realized they’d each been sleeping with Angela at the same time, they both dropped her. Slut shunnage!
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I haven’t read every post, but does anyone have any actual data showing that marriages between woman and men 10-12 years older than them are better than the mean?
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No data, but in my personal observation, an 8-12 year age difference works very well. The guy, in his eary thirties, is mature and hits his stride in life. Also, he’s not too old to be set in his ways, and won’t be an old fart when his kids become teenagers. Also, being at his peak attractiveness, he’s getting the best girl he’s able to, and so won’t have regrets or be as inclined to cheat later in life.
And the the girl, in her early 20s, is young enough to bond with her husband, is young enough to have three kids in no hurry, and will have avoided the jading experiences of being pumped and dumped through her twenties.
Again, I have no data, but anecdotally, this 8-12 year age difference describes my own situation, my best friend’s and my sister’s. Three couples, in all. Seems to work out well. The women are young and pretty, the men are mature but still youthful in ways that women our age no longer are.
As far as being married to a woman my own age… being in my late 30s, it’s hard to picture it working well. It’s great when we’re both 16 in high school. But now? She’d be an ageing creature, while I’m still commanding flirtatious glances from young women.
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Meant to say “Also, he’s not so old as to be set in his ways, and won’t be an old fart when his kids become teenagers.”
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As far as being married to a woman my own age… being in my late 30s, it’s hard to picture it working well. It’s great when we’re both 16 in high school. But now? She’d be an ageing creature, while I’m still commanding flirtatious glances from young women.
It wouldn’t necessarily work out that way for everyone. All too many men go physically right down the drain starting around age 30, or even earlier, and by the time they’re in their late 30’s they look to be well into middle age.
Peter
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All too many men go physically right down the drain starting around age 30, or even earlier, and by the time they’re in their late 30’s they look to be well into middle age.
Physically, some men lose that youthful look fast after 30. It seems to be a specific kind of Tony Soprano’ish high-T guys who have massive build and jowls, lose their hair and have thick facial hair. But their personality, like most men’s, still remains youthful and boyish well into the fourties — even into the sixties and beyond — unlike women, who lose part of that playful aspect of their personality when they age.
But it’s true that over 30, guys need to be vigilant about their appearance. If I didn’t work out at the gym, I’d look bad. Instead, I look like I did when I was a 23 year-old Army dude, except smarter, heh. Every guy with a sedentary job and a love of beer (God’s proof that He wants us to be happy — Ben Franklin) needs to be lifting weights.
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@PA above,
Your comments are the most nauseating, self-aggrandizing, wishful-thinking of any on the blog. Get some new material.
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Physically, some men lose that youthful look fast after 30. It seems to be a specific kind of Tony Soprano’ish high-T guys who have massive build and jowls, lose their hair and have thick facial hair. But their personality, like most men’s, still remains youthful and boyish well into the fourties — even into the sixties and beyond — unlike women, who lose part of that playful aspect of their personality when they age.
I’m thinking a lot about your last point. Many women seem to have a tendency to become overly serious about things, or at least non-playful, once they pass 30. It’s not due to will-I-ever-find-a-man worries because even happily married women with children go through the process. Of course there are exceptions, but this loss of playfulness happens often enough to be a general rule.
But it’s true that over 30, guys need to be vigilant about their appearance. If I didn’t work out at the gym, I’d look bad.
Unfortunately, not too many men stay interested in physical fitness after their twenties. The lure of “cartball” and of watching young men play sports on TV is just too strong to resist. Women don’t seem to lose interest in fitness to anything near the same extent.
Peter
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Jealous?
Buh-bye!
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(That was for anony, not for Peter)
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Speaking of Seinfeld, in some ways that show was the ultimate male fantasy, in sharp contrast to the female-fantasy worlds of most sitcoms. George may have been short, chubby, bald, and a workplace underachiever, yet he had little trouble snagging what were usually hot women. Jerry may have been more Alpha, but nonetheless he was willing to dump hot women on the flimsiest of pretexts and always found equally hot replacements with few or no dry spells. Heck, even as quirky as Kramer was, he did pretty well for himself.
Peter
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Anonymous – interesting point about the purpose of life.
PUAs gain their sense of self-worth through sexual validation from women. Nice Guys gain their sense of self-worth through the emotional validation of women. The true Alpha male gains his self-worth independent of women – he gains his self-worth through his life’s passion or work. Placing your penis in many vaginas does not make you special. The true men of greatness are those who are productive and create civilization.
In my grandfather’s day, men that desperately chased women were properly called “boys”.
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“In my grandfather’s day, men that desperately chased women were properly called “boys”.”
In pop culture in the past five years (especially pop music), men have begun to be called boys again, while women have gone back to “ladies.” Look at Beyonce’s last two hits. Language is reflective of culture, so what does that say about men’s positions in society these days?
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Roissy is OLD, unmarried, and childless too. Yet just like Israel, he thinks the rules don’t apply to him? Hello DELUSIONAL!
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“Roissy is OLD, unmarried, and childless too. Yet just like Israel, he thinks the rules don’t apply to him? Hello DELUSIONAL!”
LOL! Bush’s fault!
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Weight lifting and proper nutrition is the fountain of youth. Too many people just don’t fucking get it, and go on long jogs to try and undo all the alcohol and cheese cake.
It doesn’t work like that. Running is a horrible exercise, just look at marathon runners.
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AE —
Your complaint seems to be “Why aren’t Beta guys like Alpha guys?” Most men don’t have the scratch to pay for a house until their late thirties or even early forties, with declining real incomes and rising housing costs (even now). So yeah, if marriage = homeownership then most guys won’t marry until they have a home.
As for not being suave around women, well what do you expect? Let’s see you take up a new social skill, where you’ve failed repeatedly for about ten years (15-25) and hit it out of the park every time at bat. Let’s say being an illusionist, a stage magician. Try failing at that, for ten years, and then going on stage in front of thousands. That’s what you are expecting beta guys to do, and be successful first time out.
The price of young women’s pursuit of Alphas is lots of beta guys with no skills, experience, or confidence in dealing with women. Anger and frustration sure to find an outlet somewhere or other. And you’ll just have to deal with it, since it’s not going away and will only get worse.
PA — “Friends” appealed to the desire of women to control Beta type guys, not react to the hostility mixed with desire that characterizes Betas interactions with women based on the failures I’ve outlined above.
Friends above was about women’s CONTROL of the Beta type guys, when in real life they have very little, and as they age out of attractiveness none at all.
Rtother — look at income. Men with greater income tend to be more advanced in their years and earnings. Around 6-8 years seems to work out and there are surveys showing women’s and men’s preference for that age gap. Women get a good earner and more mature physically and emotionally (including emotional support) partner, men get a hotter woman more able to bond with him.
Anonymous makes my point about women being hard-left, and loving dominant male societies. Israel has far greater freedoms for women, is a modern democracy, has a female Foreign Minister, and Hamas is an Islamist movement that demands polygamy and women in burquas, stoning to death for adultery, etc.
Men have puzzled over this “weirdness” that women in general support the Islamists (who would curtail their lives to basically sexual chattel and slaves) over Western societies. The answer: women LOVE domination and seem to want the most repressive and dominant men to run things, you can see this through Anonymous’s comment. And women have ALWAYS been this way, even back in the 1920’s with Rudolph Valentino playing “the Sheik” or the love affair with cruel, dominant vampires that characterizes movies/tv/books in the 20th Century.
It’s a disquieting fact about women, particularly since Western men LOVE strong and independent women, looking for an equal partner while women seem to want domination. [The rise of various female-authored books detailing their sexual degradation in explicit detail is another disquieting tell in society.]
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The strongest signals of aging for guys are what they are for girls — mostly in the face and hair.
So, more important than working out is making sure the skin on your face doesn’t look slack, wrinkled, etc. Avoid the sun (get vitamin D from pills, fish, or milk), and use a moisturizer with sun protection.
Long before a PYT gets to see your six-pack abs, she’ll see your face. Pretty much that alone forms the basis for her guess about your age. The closer you appear to her age, the less she’ll worry.
That’s one reason why men who marry women half their age or more tend to have — maybe always have — a full head of hair. Cary Grant is the most obvious. Tom Cruise, Michael Douglass, etc.
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,168748,00.html
Yeah dog.
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I have an off topic question for any conservatives who read this blog. Living as I do in an extremely liberal city, most of the girls I go out with are liberals. They’re not wife material, but they’re pleasant enough for a Friday night date so long as politics don’t come up (I’m extremely conservative). They still manage to throw out “common assumptions” in conversation, eg Saint Obama, being pro-choice etc. I usually just side step these things instead of taking them to task, as that would of course end the date. For those of you who date liberal women out of necessity, have you ever managed to switch the frame around so that you are judging them for not being conservative enough and they backpedal, or do you just let it all slide?
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The strongest signals of aging for guys are what they are for girls — mostly in the face and hair.
So, more important than working out is making sure the skin on your face doesn’t look slack, wrinkled, etc. Avoid the sun (get vitamin D from pills, fish, or milk), and use a moisturizer with sun protection.
Though a sun-wrinkled weatherbeaten face on a man might appeal to some women. The cowboy/outdoorsman look, in other words. It’s probably especially true in rural areas and smaller towns.
That’s one reason why men who marry women half their age or more tend to have — maybe always have — a full head of hair. Cary Grant is the most obvious. Tom Cruise, Michael Douglass, etc.
Generalizing from celebrities is sort of misleading. A wealthy famous man like Michael Douglas could have his pick of hot young women even if he looked like crap.
According to a study of personals ads recounted in Freakonomics, women find George Costanza-style partial baldness (the “monk’s ring”) much more of a turnoff than complete baldness. A man who’s losing his hair might actually be better off shaving his head completely. IINM, Roissy himself has made this point.
Peter
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another thought for men who marry women 15 years younger:
Advance your calendar from your age 35 to age 55.
If your 40 year old wife uses hair color, sunscreen, moisturizer, and makeup, (and you don’t) you will experience this:
You check into a hospital ED, accompanied by your wife, to evaluate your chest discomfort with fear of cardiac pain, or urinary retention due to your enlarged prostate. The well-intentioned registration clerk asks your “daughter” to help her with the wallet biopsy. Your wife won’t mention it to you , but when strangers refer to her as your daughter,or you as her father , your esteem in her eyes will drop you to omega status. At age 40, your wife may be VERY attractive. With children nearly gone, she will fantasize increased lifestyle freedoms, like hiking and kayaking. As her (now) omega husband , she will resent being tethered to you.
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I agree with Truth-Hurts, but add flexibility training.
Rigidity is a hallmark of aging.
I’ve run marathons myself, but lost the passion for it. I have high regard for Joan Benoit Samuelson’s athleticism , but at age 50–she could pass for 70.
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“PUAs gain their sense of self-worth through sexual validation from women. Nice Guys gain their sense of self-worth through the emotional validation of women. The true Alpha male gains his self-worth independent of women – he gains his self-worth through his life’s passion or work.”
I agree in spirit. The most admirable men are those who gain self-worth through his life’s passion or work.
But I disagree with that as an objective definition of alpha, just as I disagree with Roissy’s definition.
We have to say what we mean by “true alpha male.”
Do we mean guy we admire and who is worthy or leadership role in society?
Do we mean guy who scores hot chicks?
Do we mean guy we admire for some other reason?
If “alpha male” means anything objective, the best definition is -“Guy with physical features and height that attract women during their fertile period and leads other men to instinctively defer to the alpha in status.”
So PUAers aren’t alpha, thought they may imitate alpha behaviors in hopes of reaping alpha rewards in the female dimension.
And many guys we find admirable and deserving of leadership roles aren’t alpha.
The most interesting experiment for the PUAers to try: See how alpha or beta your facial features are. Then consider the optimal location for your “game.”
If you look like a Neanderthal, it’s off to the mega-club with you!
If you look like a precious angel, then you should head off for “day game” in the bookstore/grocery store.
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“I usually just side step these things instead of taking them to task, as that would of course end the date. For those of you who date liberal women out of necessity, have you ever managed to switch the frame around so that you are judging them for not being conservative enough and they backpedal, or do you just let it all slide?”
I just say what I think and don’t give a shit. I can be polite about it, but really, I just have no stomach for the “I’m going to pretend I don’t care so then you’ll be attracted to me because I really do care about getting in your pants” routine.
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Whiskey, women who support the Islamists do so either out of an unthinking support for any group they see as the Underdog; or out of a reflexive dislike for American foreign policy, or a combination of both.
I’ve known women who were extremely hostile to Islam in Afghanistan when the latter was still ruled by the Soviet Union – on the grounds, I suppose, that the USSR’s hostility to religion made it a modernizing force, while Islam was backward and anti-feminist – but who later became pro-Islam after the Bush government began its campaign to oust Al Quaeda from the region. Suddenly Islam was the “enemy of my enemy” to them, I suppose.
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ASDF: “They still manage to throw out “common assumptions” in conversation, eg Saint Obama, being pro-choice etc.”
My favorite throwaway is a Boyd Rice quote, which actually sums up how I feel on the subject, “politics is for people who can’t run their own lives.” Discussing politics and making “common assumptions” is insanely rude and a sign of social retardation. Adult people have different opinions, and by and large politics isn’t something that people are going to have exactly in common. Assuming that your date believes Obama is Jesus and Bush is Satan (or the opposite) is a lot like assuming your date is a Rastafarian. What kind of moron does that?
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“politics is for people who can’t run their own lives.”
I’m intellectually honest, so it’s no skin off my ass: I like Lupo’s take better than my answer.
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Though a sun-wrinkled weatherbeaten face on a man might appeal to some women.
Not to the nubile ones.
Generalizing from celebrities is sort of misleading.
Right — because if you looked at non-celebrities, it would be the bald men who marry attractive women less than half their age.
You see that all the time, don’t you?
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What if it turns out that she’s 65?
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Not to bite the hand here….
But shouldnt we be strategizing about the optimal pussy gap between legs; downward crotch angle and other issues realted to perfect 10 babes, models, etc
Not some re-tread granny.
Too many PUA blogs are harping of the dogs, and rationalizing the 5-7 market….
What are Models just for billionaires????
C’mon guys lets take the game up to a higher level and share how to bag the babes
The tru test of PUA is bagging the top of the market
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Anon 10:11 AM
The male objective is to reproduce without responsibility, a la Ghengis Khan–the most successful male in history.
There was a time in recent history when this objective was met with overwhelming societal disapproval, but now it has become so strongly embraced that government is in on the game.
I wonder how much longer betas and lower who are not getting any are going to realize the extent to which they are paying for the bastard offspring of the handful of hot guys with whom 90% of females mate. I wonder what they are going to do when their numbers reach critical mass.
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I think the optimal age difference is 3 to 8 years. What anony said about a hot 40-year-old wife and a 55 year old hubby has some merit; however, VERY few 40-year-old women are hot.
If women really wanted domination, they’d support the Republicans! Republicans support law-and-order, rules on their behavior, they are more macho, masculine, etc. Democrats are feminized, effete, and support women’s “liberation”.
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ASDF, Keith–
I have read about and experienced this situation first-hand, and I agree completely with Keith. I was lucky eventually to find someone who accepted me as I am–and who has since come around to my thinking on many issues.
I concluded back then that if I was going to be spineless before about what I believed, I would be spineless after committing to a relationship too. Don’t sell yourself out for pussy. It’s not worth it.
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“I wonder how much longer betas and lower who are not getting any are going to realize the extent to which they are paying for the bastard offspring of the handful of hot guys with whom 90% of females mate. I wonder what they are going to do when their numbers reach critical mass.”
This manifests itself in several ways – programs like SCHIP which was just passed – providing healthcare for kids – if beta males aren’t having kids, they won’t care. There is no government spending that helps beta males; therefore more and more males should become stanuchly anti-government. I’d like to see a massive tax revolt at some point. But the truth is no matter how much we talk about it, there is no organized male opposition to the culture, at least not one that the media recognizes. My hope is that such a movement develops and becomes so strong that feminists and their supporters are brought to their knees.
70% of single women voted Obama. Among the educated ones in the blue cities, probably closer to 90%. Their interests are in opposition to those of most males. oddly enough, my one friend I can definitely describe as “alpha” voted for McCain. All my beta friends pretty much voted Obama.
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I am also very conservative on some issues, especially abortion. And I live in a very lib city.
For one thing, abortion for lib women is the holy grail. They will never, EVER, accept anything less than total right to kill/abort the child. I’ve had several heated conversations with feminazis where they have admitted that, during pregnancy, they believe the child is alive and yet demand the right to kill it anyway. And then they get mad if anyone tries to make them, gasp, feel guilty about killing it.
Feminizas instill this love of abortion from day one. It’s almost a daily mantra. It’s as ingrained in them as the sun the revolving around the earth was to the pope during Galileo’s time—and you remember what happened to Galileo when he proved the pope wrong. Plato’s parable of the caves come to life.
Rest assured, if a woman declares herself to be a “liberal” or “feminist” to you the first time you meet or on the first few dates, her number one issue is abortion.
So you’re dealing with a group of people whose moral calculus is completely skewed by their participation in the cult of feminism. And abortion is their number one commandment. Dealing with any woman who openly declares herself a “feminist” or a “liberal” is akin dealing with someone following a cult.
I say cult and not religion because, whereas a religious person recognizes other viewpoints exist on God and that their own beliefs require faith (i.e. belief without proof), a cultist believes that anyone not in their cult is a fool and that there are verifiable facts that prove their cult’s dogma, and anyone else who disagrees must either be ostracized or murdered.
Feminists believe tripe like women can have sex like men and that abortion=female success based on flimsy and unverifiable facts. Or else they draw conclusions that are non sequitors from the facts given.
Anywho, I say all this because I think gaming on abortion with a self-declared “feminist” is impossible. I hope Roissy can prove me wrong.
I think abortion is too hardwired into feminists. If a woman declares herself to be “liberal” or “feminist”, she’s an abortion nut. If this is fine with you, have at her. If this is not, dump her now. She will not change or stop bringing it up, and she views anyone against abortion in anyway as people who want to break her leg and throw her in the kitchen. Her extreme paranoia on this issue is unbreakable.
However, if a woman expresses abortion sympathy indirectly or in a ” isn’t it tragic” sort of way, however, she is most like conflicted: she feels the intense pressure of the feminazi cultists, yet also has some morality and sees some logic. If she does get pregnant through you, you can convince her not to abort if that is something you wish. You just promise to stick around or promise to raise the child yourself. Your call.
Of course, if you’re trying to be a PUA like most of us here, you’re necessarily conflicted. On one hand, you want to sleep with lots of women. On the other, you don’t want your own child murdered. However, since regular condoms are 99% effective, just get some with spermacide to increase that to 99.99999%. Alone, they should do the trick, and since a woman sleeping with you in a lib city is probably on the pill because, as feminazis say, “it gives you control of your body,” you’re covered.
Me? If a woman pulls the abortion card or the “liberal” or “feminist” card, I bail right there. Not just for abortion-related reasons; any woman so shrill or demanding is usually bad in bed and a pain to be around in general, even for the short term.
Yes, I have literally gotten up from the table in a restaurant when a feminazi pulls that card. And yes, it’s much better than staying there an either arguing with the crazy person sitting across from you or taking it. Taking a feminazi’s screeching in the hopes of getting laid is very beta. Just look at all the toolish hipster betas living in Brooklyn.
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“All too many men go physically right down the drain starting around age 30, or even earlier, and by the time they’re in their late 30’s they look to be well into middle age.”
Yes. As someone here recently quoted an author: “Biologically, men are designed for short, brutal lives and women for long, miserable ones.”
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P.S.The major reason Sarah Palin was attacked and mocked so viciously and unfairly was because she was a anti-abortion woman who nonetheless succeeded. She gave the lie to the basic tenants of feminazism, which is that you can’t be pro-life and a woman, and you can’t have retarded children and be beautiful and be successful and powerful. She didn’t act like the the sexless and ugly Hillary Clinton; she acted like a woman, and yet was playing with the big boys.
Think about it: a pro-abortion news media coupled with actresses and comedians (who are overwhelmingly pro abortion) had their claws out for her. They painted her as a fool, put words in her mouth she never said, and papered over the fact that Biden and Obama said just as many very stupid things and had just as many gaffes. It was a hit job.
So if a strong, successful, very intelligent, powerful anti-abortion woman with the entire political savvy and might of a major political party behind her can’t stand up to feminazi screeds without being torn asunder, what chance do you have, a male alone on a date with a lib cultist in a lib city?
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Regarding abortion… Napoleon’s dictum (“never interrupt your enemy when [they are] making a mistake”) applies here. It’s a GOOD thing for conservatives in the long run if liberals abort themselves into irrelevance! Practice what you believe in, let them practice what they believe in, and everything will work out for the best.
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Right — because if you looked at non-celebrities, it would be the bald men who marry attractive women less than half their age.
You see that all the time, don’t you?
There’s probably no way to prove it statistically, but my reasoned guess is that (non-celebrity/non-wealthy) middle aged men who marry attractive younger women are not especially youthful looking for their ages. It’s due to something you probably don’t yet realize given that you’re only 27 or 28. Once men pass 35 or 40, all but the most clueless ones come to the realization that they simply are not going to be able to compete with young men in terms of vigorous youthful good looks. Much as it might pain them to admit it, they know that young women in search of virile young men are going to marry young men, not fit older men.
For that reason, middle aged men who marry young women are offering something other than youthfulness, and in turn the women who marry them are motivated by things other than youthful looks.
Peter
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Chris- Goggle the street children of Brazil. With or without abortion, there will always be unwanted children. Instead of having women abortions, poor women throw their children out when they are old enough to fend for themselves(4 or 5). When the street children become to much of a hassle( read^^^ theft), store owners pay police officers(&others) to kill them and toss the bodies.
So don’t have mercy on them before they are born, let them suffer a few years then kill them.
“You” don’t want to give free healthcare to the children we already have here, yet you want women to continue to have more children. Where is the money to take care of them going to come from? Healthcare is expensive. Nutritious food is expensive. I spend about 80 bucks a month on fruit alone. Imagine what my fruit bill will cost feeding a family of 4-5?
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For that reason, middle aged men who marry young women are offering something other than youthfulness, and in turn the women who marry them are motivated by things other than youthful looks.…. a big wallet and a marriage of convenience. Remember women (as a group) are not as romantic men.
Peter
*shakes head in agreement*
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another thought for men who marry women 15 years younger: Advance your calendar from your age 35 to age 55
I wrote that the optimal age difference is 8-12 years. A fifteen-year difference, while workable in some circumstances, is too much for average people.
[At 55] You check into a hospital ED, accompanied by your wife, to evaluate your chest discomfort with fear of cardiac pain, or urinary retention due to your enlarged prostate. The well-intentioned registration clerk asks your “daughter” to help her with the wallet biopsy.
A dodering fifty-five year old man with heart and prostate problems (with a fourty-year-old wife) is someone who made an exceptional effort to not take care of himself. Fifty-five-year-old men, if they eat well and excercise, hardly look too old for their 40-y.o. wives.
At age 40, your wife may be VERY attractive. With children nearly gone, she will fantasize increased lifestyle freedoms, like hiking and kayaking.
In my personal case, all of my grandparents lived very long. One of my grandfathers spent two years in a Polish commie prison after WW2, where he was beaten and kept in a basement cell. He smoked unfiltered cigarettes all up until the day he died, and enjoyed a strong drink every night. He died in his early 90s of complications resulting from being hit by a car while walking. I have a feeling that if he had not had that accident, he would have made it past 100.
As her (now) o m e g a husband , she will resent being tethered to you.
His wife (my grandma) a tough old broad with steely blue eyes, thought of him as a man to end all men to the end, unlike the worthless wife in anony’s example, who feels “tethered” to her husband.
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@PA
I did not describe a “doddering 55 yo” with heart and prostate problems.
I described a healthy 55 yo with mild concerns. Please read for comprehension.
Lastly, could you, just once, think in terms beyond yourself?. Must you personalize every idea?. Can you think in abstract terms?
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I like to use anecdotes to illustrate larger points. It’s less boring for third-party readers that way. Can you think beyond literal?
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@PA
hardly look too old for their 40-y.o. wives.
Again, your comprehension fails.
When well-meaning strangers interpret the husband as old, fatherly, omega, buffoonery, etc.,then ones wife will have a double-take on her previous image of her husband. He will plummet in her esteem.
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Hey, you wanna have the most shameful “beta” moment in your sorry-ass life? Try hemming and hawing around the issue of abortion, and then the chick turns out to be pro-life.
“I didn’t stand up for unborn babies because I was scared of offending you as a woman” doesn’t exactly make you her hero.
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Bullshit. Extreme female longevity is a very recent phenomenon, and was accomplished through huge effort on the part of men.
Men are starting to catch up to women in terms of longevity — especially in countries where women are the most “liberated.” Icelandic men already live longer than women, and Swedish men are getting close.
I predict that feminism will be a disaster for women’s health. They will get fatter, smoke more, drink more, and find less support from husbands and children in old age.
In my own family, the men live significantly longer than the women, averaging late 80s at death, with a few into the mid 90s. The women average about 80 at death. Female longevity is a result of Victorian woman-worship, which, given modern realities, is definitely going out of style. It carried over into the mid and even late 20th century, which is why you see so many very old women today.
So Roissy’s right: live it up while you can, ladies. Nobody’s going to cut you any breaks when your looks fade after all the treats you’ve enjoyed over the last century.
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@Welmer,
women stopped dying in child birth since the 1950s. It is now 2009; women live longer than men. Women use sunscreen, moisturizers, makeup, and haircolor. Most men don’t. ERGO, women today live longer and look better than men. Look at people.
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Keith – that’s a nice example. As a wise man once said, “no one knows how many acts of cowardice were committed from the fear of not looking sufficiently progressive.”
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Women had easier lives and smoked and drank less than men over the past century. Of course they live longer now. That will change, as it already has in Iceland.
As for how people look, I see a lot of healthy looking guys in their 70s who put the women in their age group to shame. I’m a member of a Scandinavian ski club, and many of the old guys there are in excellent health. Some of the women are as well, but not as many.
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PA, more accurately:
“no one knows how many acts of cowardice were committed from the fear of not looking sufficiently X,” where X can be pretty much anything.
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Roissy, cherie, as usual you are exactly right. The truth is sometimes painful to hear but it is just that, the truth. Your honesty is always refreshing.
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Thanks for the tips, guys. Especially Lupo’s and BDS’ suggestions of calling her out if it’s really blatant.
I just want to clarify something though. I’m not a spineless pussy, and I wouldn’t settle for a leftist wife. It’s just that, in the meantime, while I’m out looking for Miss Right, I date other women to pass the time and practice my game. These women all tend to be liberal. It’s just the nature of the city in which I live.
I don’t date feminazis, but even “normal” girls will, at one point or another, use “weasel words”, or use a condescending tone of voice when talking about something, or talk about her gay friend. To the guys who told me to sack up, do you really tell off every woman who says something modern women all tend to say at one time or another? It just seems counter-intuitive to spit in her face and squander the time and money I’ve invested in a night out when I could just stay the course for another hour and be home free. Or am I way off base with that?
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Jack 6:44
You have fingered a major problem with what passes for conservatism today: the tacit alliance of “chivalrous” males with feminist excess. There is, unfortunately, a significant number of conservatives who blame family disintegration on male irresponsibility, etc. This may have been true a half century ago, but hasn’t been since the 70’s. Check Steven Baskerville or any MRA website for further info.
Equally unfortunately, the likelihood of men who think like us becoming a political force is negligible. Imagine the ridicule that such a movement would face: “stop whining”, “buck up and take it like a man”, or worse “what he needs is a good lay” (from someone who can get laid anytime, anywhere).
No, the problem of the cuntification of America will be solved over time by demographics. The ones of which you speak will die out without having spawned, their places taken by far more patriarchal societies. Those left should get fitted for their burquas now.
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While I appreciate the personal anecdotes and conjectures, I thought some of you were hardcore data miners. So, is there any actual data concerning men who are 10-12 years older than their wives? I mean divorce rates, average number of children, reported happiness, etc. Ah, f*** it I’ll just look it up myself and post some results in the next couple of days.
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“There is, unfortunately, a significant number of conservatives who blame family disintegration on male irresponsibility, etc.”
Once older well-off men left their first wives for younger, prettier women, then all bets were off.
Really, thinking about it logically, why would a women with options want to commit during their youth to a less-than-perfect guy who then might leave her later?
The unwinding of that social norm was the beginning of the end.
Blame feminism and the sexual revolution and Cosmo all you like. But while you’re at it, don’t forget to blame Sinatra.
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Sir Roissy,
This is completely non related to your post but, have you seen this movie:
It definitely has over the top Alpha and Beta themes. Excellent contrast. It has a common Hollywood ending though.
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This is the good link.
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Da_Truth_Hurts,
I’m literally eating cheesecake and drinking a beer right now so you’re comments kind of hit home. LOL. But it is part of the ABCDE diet for bodybuilding which is 12 days bulk, 12 days cut…. Okay the beer isn’t part of it but I have a plan that actually works. I agree that excessive aerobic exercise, particularly outdoors in the sun, ages the hell out of you. I have never been flexible, as I was taught as a kid while playing a lot of hockey that stretching is for pussies.
others:
I don’t agree that men seem to lose looks as much when they age as women do. Women of nearly all ages seem far more attracted to me now that at any time when I was younger. I think women are much more attracted to a mature male facial appearance and my face has changed drastically for the better since my teenage years. While it is true that I’ve now made a lot of money, etc… and these are things that also attract women, there’s no way they know that before they really meet me so I think it is mostly looks. I think this happens for most other men as well.
Though I admit, I was recently doing some research at a large college library and there was a group of four (I presume freshmen) women, two of whom eyed me over a bit. Later, I could see the group through a window reflection checking me out and giggling amongst themselves. From their body language I could tell that while they may have thought I was good looking to them, that I was clearly too old (I prefer mature) for them and it would be “ewww” to date. But is this really the same as losing it? I think it would be gross to date one of them too.
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Prostate problems caused by not taking care of yourself?
While obesity can make prostate problems worse most prostate issues are caused by:
1. differences in conversion of testosterone to various daughter hormones. These daughter hormones also cause male pattern hair loss. I know of no lifestyle choice that can change this (unless oral finisteride is considered a lifestyle choice)
2. infrequent ejaculation. chicks must put out like clockwork to maintain their man’s prostate health. It is up to YOU! Women, if you’re seeing a beta and just want to be “friends”, it should be the kind of friendship that has “benefits” to his prostate health. BPH can progress into cancer. What kind of friend are you if you let your beta man get cancer?
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“Equally unfortunately, the likelihood of men who think like us becoming a political force is negligible. Imagine the ridicule that such a movement would face: “stop whining”, “buck up and take it like a man”, or worse “what he needs is a good lay” (from someone who can get laid anytime, anywhere). ”
So what? Men right now are shouted down and ridiculed ALREADY at any show of opposition to the feminist power structure. The political movement CAN be formed by numbers alone – if fewer and fewer males have access to women, there will be more and more angry ones. If they get ridiculed, then thy must ridicule right back. Enough surrender, that’s what got us here.
Demographic change happens but will be too late for young men of today. I want changes ASAP.
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For an example of the aging, resentful beta male, who Whiskey warns us will increasingly become a stock character, check out the driving instructor in “Happy-Go-Lucky,” the film out now by leftist British master Mike Leigh. See where the beta male gets his politics and see how he is perceived by the cute heroine. Leigh has much less sympathy for the old chap than we do.
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Anony —
A forty year old woman is hardly “very” attractive. She’s possible to be “attractive” if she has won the genetic lottery, keeps in good physical condition, and so on. She might fantasize about an Alpha, but none would WANT her (for anything other than a one night stand). A guy her age can pull in a girl age 30 or even younger no problem, so why would he want an older cougar?
Alias — that does not answer the question. Why do women support Islam over the West in EVERY instance (and over their own country)? It’s not *merely* GWB (though he is far preferable to bin Laden) but matters of sharia in the West. Why would women support “the underdog” (hardly the underdog in matters of Jihad)?
It’s because women CRAVE domination, and that is a huge turn-off and indeed creates contempt for women by men in the West who prefer strong, independent women (see the response to TV’s ass-kicking heroines).
Jack — Republicans support Law and Order, which prevents domination. Women crave the liberalism-Jihad axis of “Gentry” and aristocracy, Rules let the average guy have a chance, and women HATE that. They prefer to be the mistress of the Alpha Guy. That’s why women LOVE the Turd World, where Big Men run everything and rule of law is a bad joke. It’s why Reps have Sarah Palin and Dems have … Princess Caroline.
As for politics, the recession and the inability of society to buy off young men with consumer goods as a substitute for a wife will be the end of the current situation wrt betas. No women, no money, no toys? What else will they do?
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Somewhat OT but perhaps not, Genital Herpes is out of control in women.
According to the CDC (their final 2007 Survey Report, you can find it on their website), 25% of White Women 40-49 have genital herpes, and SIXTY PERCENT of Black Women 40-49 have genital herpes.
Wow. Words just won’t come. That’s staggering when you think of it.
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Women tend to eat loads of starch and sugar, frying their endocrine systems and hormone profiles.
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I think a very large difference has to be made between high-fructose corn-syrup and normal sugar….. and I think modern industrial processing has done something to.
Flouride in water can cause iodine deficiency.
Blaiming the victim is very American, but also very boring.
Diabetes rates have gone crazy, and I would actually like to know what has changed that it suddenly started happening in America…. and many other countries in the world.
Again, blaiming the victim and declaring that if they were super-special smart and tough they could fix whatever they have had dumped on them prevents actually figuring out what was dumped on them.
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@ that herpes shit
now i will feel inadequate if i don’t have it. i might slut out myself just to ‘alpha’-ensure my legacy. lick me baby, science will deliver the cure (betas!!)
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whiskey:
A forty year old woman is hardly “very” attractive. She’s possible to be “attractive” if she has won the genetic lottery, keeps in good physical condition, and so on. She might fantasize about an Alpha, but none would WANT her (for anything other than a one night stand). A guy her age can pull in a girl age 30 or even younger no problem, so why would he want an older cougar?
Don’t talk about my Clio like that. She’s special.
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anony wrote:
” I agree with Truth-Hurts, but add flexibility training. “
No, people should study mobility training. Mobility includes some stretching and flexibility of joints that people don’t have flexibility in: ankles, upper back.
Mobility preaches how to move properly, fix stabilization issues, and make the knees and lower back more stable. Since instituting the works of Eric Cressey (he has an amazing DVD called Magnificent Mobility) and other trainers, all my lifts went up, joint pain has subsided, and I just feel better.
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I think a very large difference has to be made between high-fructose corn-syrup and normal sugar….. and I think modern industrial processing has done something to.
Flouride in water can cause iodine deficiency.
Blaiming the victim is very American, but also very boring.
Diabetes rates have gone crazy, and I would actually like to know what has changed that it suddenly started happening in America…. and many other countries in the world.
Again, blaiming the victim and declaring that if they were super-special smart and tough they could fix whatever they have had dumped on them prevents actually figuring out what was dumped on them.
People not reading whats in food is the problem. Frakenfoods are bad for you? Who knew?
Look, its your own fucking fault you are fat.
We are animals designed to WALK long distances, SPRINT at prey and then CARRY the fucker home. We evolved to eat MEAT, FISH, NUTS, FRUIT, BERRIES and not CHEESY PUFFS, POP_TARTS, BREAD and ICE CREAM.
Carb intake for almost everyone should be very low, i.e. fruits, veggies, maybe some complex oatmeal before a big workout. Less than 100 grams a day for active people and you’ll be sporting a six pack year round.
RECAP: Sitting at your cubicle, stuffing your face with Low Fat chips and then waddling your fat ass on a treadmill three times a week ain’t going to cut it.
Be a caveman, eat like one, train like one, fuck like one. Your mind, body and spirit will thank you.
And you will age about as well as anyone could.
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men in the West who prefer strong, independent women (see the response to TV’s ass-kicking heroines).
Whiskey, someone is bound to misread you and assume that by “strong, independent women” you mean loud, obnoxious feminist shrews, whom no men like.
As far as “TV’s ass-kicking heroines,” I’m with Sailer, who chalks them up to the sensibilities of nerds. I personally can’t stand the ballsy, snarky female characters that are ubiquitous on TV these days.
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Whiskey says, “She might fantasize about an Alpha, but none would WANT her (for anything other than a one night stand). A guy her age can pull in a girl age 30 or even younger no problem, so why would he want an older cougar?”
When you know the answer to that question, you’ll understand what it is to be Alpha.
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The Sad Tale of a Modern-Day Beta
— A Story of one Man’s Futile Struggle
The first time I’ve come across the terms Alpha and Beta used in reference to human male status positions was in 2000, when presidential candidate Al Gore hired a fluffy pop-intellectual Naomi Wolf for $25 thousand as his campaign image consultant.
Her $25K deliverable? Advice that Mr. Gore become an Alpha. Her guidance was that he shed his Beta image vis-a-vis Bill Clinton, an Alpha, by wearing earth-tone clothes.
Al Gore later caught on to the fact that paying a girl to tell you how to dress is very beta. So he tried to make up for it by toungue-raping his wife onstage, on national television, at the Democratic National Convention. The Beta hole gets deeper. But Gore kept digging.
When losing the election to a borderline-retarded alcoholic, he gave Alphahood one more shot — he went into the wilderness, and for fourty days and fourty noghts, he prayed and fasted, and then emerged. With a beard. Remember that?
Um… again, no-go. Unless you’re Dennis Rodman or David Bowie, sudden changes of appearance are not Alpha. They are indications that you have no idea who you are. Beta, in other words. So he shaved.
But Al Gore nevertheless, after all these failures to become an Alpha, gave it one more shot: he sought to become an object of worship. No mere man is he, beard or no beard. No vulgar station of presidency is fitting fo a man of his stature. So he gets himself an Oscar. And he gets himself a Nobel. Behold, the man. Behold the prophet, behold the Global Warming cataclysm, behold the carbon footprint.
Of Al Gore’s electric bill. What a sad tale of a man driven to madness by a struggle against his own betatude.
And where is he now, that Bill Clinton fades off into the sunset with slopppy jerkoff jizz on his chubby hand and sweet memories of Gennifer Flowers? Where is he now, with new secretary of state Hillary surveying the globe with a steely gaze? Do we still remember this wanna-be god Al Gore, when a new god is coronated two days from now? Will he give it one more shot?
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When you know the answer to that question, you’ll understand what it is to be Alpha.
Silence, you disgusting slab of bear liver. Go hit the gym with your other multiple personalities. Try and slim down for the Obama celebration this week. Don’t look like every other fat negress dancing around DC.
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And calling any behavior you don’t like, no matter how universal it is, “American,” is very liberal and also very boring as well. Travel around the world and you’ll find that we Americans are unfortunately among the LEAST judgmental against fat people. Foreigners in fact love mocking Americans for being so tolerant of being fat. I hate when liberals just call any behavior they don’t like “so American” or say “only in America” without actually knowing what they’re talking about.
Calling grown adults “victims” for authoring their own miseries is also very liberal and very boring as well.
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Re: fitness/nutrition – google Crossfit and Arthur DeVany. Da Truth Hurts is correct.
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H8ter, perhaps if you “hit the gym” as often as I did, you’d be less cranky.
The goal of an Alpha is not to be the best beta.
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T, actually Americans are more often mocked for being fat, not being tolerant of fat.
In other places, there aren’t so many fat people. So if someone is, it is more obvious that it is because of either a health problem causing inactivity, or (perhaps compulsive) overeating.
I haven’t found people in Israel or Italy to be as rude about it as Americans. People I know from other countries are also perhaps less tolerant in their personal dating conduct, but still would seldom harp on it obsessively like American men tend to.
There’s intolerance of something, and then there’s hostile obsession with it. There’s a difference.
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kthulah:
When you know the answer to that question, you’ll understand what it is to be Alpha
Whatever helps you sleep at night, love.
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It’s called dignity, Tupac. You should try it.
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@whiskey,
A forty year old woman is hardly “very” attractive. She’s possible to be “attractive” if she has won the genetic lottery, keeps in good………er age can pull in a girl age 30 or even younger no problem, so why would he want an older cougar?
Can you read the context? I did not describe a cougar. Your reflexive sclerotic comments failed.
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I find that people who say things like: “That’s so American.” in a disrespectful fashion have not traveled much outside of the USA.
I know very liberal women who, having traveled and lived outside the USA, never use that expression dismissively. In fact, they use that expression to express approval of America. Of course, these are women who returned to the USA after extensive overseas living, so they may be a biased sample.
So, if some liberal woman says “That’s so American” in an insulting fashion, just write her off as ignorant, IMHO.
Having said that, it is no secret that Americans are getting fat from bad diets. I blame working mothers. (I blame them for most social ills.) Eating prepackaged food and eating out is VERY fattening.
BTW, the mobs of beta males w/o females have failed to appear. This may be because, in America, almost any man can get married to a decent woman. Maybe not some “hot” babe, but a very good women. The marriage market is very unbalanced right now, with many more women than men looking to get married. That may be because marriage for men can be such a screwing, without any legal recourse if the wife goes bad or the marriage goes sour. That’s so American.
BTW, people worried about polygamy are silly. If there are more women than men who want to get married, which seems to be the case, why not allow it? It seems a crime against nature to deny a woman a husband just because there are no single and willing males available for her. In Russia, after WWII, many, many women never could get a husband because, as they lamented after the war, “All the men are dead.” Their lives were blighted.
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Definitely mid-to-late 30s, but in reasonable shape for her age. I’d hit it if it wasn’t too much trouble.
For DC, she’d probably be a solid 6 (at least).
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Speaking of rape:
I know a guy who used to investigate rapes. The rape in which a stranger stalks and rapes a woman is distinctly uncommon. He said that if a women avoids situations where alcohol is being consumed at night, her chances of being raped are very, very small.
So, I guess the women should sue the beer companies for rape. And, the companies who insist employees work 7-5. We should work at night and drink during the day when it is safer.
Many women, he found, make up rape stories. An example. One teenage girl said she was raped. He investigated. An older boy essentially demanded sex from her, and she consented. There was no force, no threat of force, or any coercion. Just a demand for sex. They dropped those charges.
When do you hear of women getting prosecuted for false claims of rape? The could send a men to jail for years and/or ruin his life. Too bad for him.
I’ll pass on a real rape story for your amusement.
A guy went into a motel at 2:00am where there was a female clerk. He said he wanted a room, filled out the guest book. He was wearing gloves. He then jumped over the desk, raped the girl, pulled the page out of the guest book, and ran out.
The cops found one of his gloves at the crime scene. They got his address from the impression made on the page underlying the page he had filled out in the guest book. When they went to his
house, he was still wearing the other glove.
He wasn’t O.J. He was convicted. Now, that’s rape.
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anonymous
If you’re using reproduction as your yardstick, Sara is a much greater contributor than Roissy is: she’s already successfully passed on her genes and seen the child well on the way to adulthood.
Wow. This is a very unexpected compliment and one much deserved I must say. Did you hear that roissy? Your pathetic, useless sperm are dying in some wretched woman’s anus as opposed to creating new life… Instead they’re suffocating in stench and bacteria. Not a pretty picture, roissy, my love. You can do so much better. tsk. tsk.
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kthulah:
It’s called dignity, Tupac
The Id knows not dignity.
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sara:
Did you hear that roissy? Your pathetic, useless sperm are dying in some wretched woman’s anus as opposed to creating new life… Instead they’re suffocating in stench and bacteria. Not a pretty picture, roissy, my love.
N-I-C-E
A little fight in you! I like that.
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“Her $25K deliverable? Advice that Mr. Gore become an Alpha. Her guidance was that he shed his Beta image vis-a-vis Bill Clinton, an Alpha, by wearing earth-tone clothes.
Al Gore later caught on to the fact that paying a girl to tell you how to dress is very beta.”
Actually, Americans didn’t like that for the same reason many people don’t like PUAs. It’s creepy to tailor one’s behavior according to an abstract theory for the purposes of manipulating people.
In addition, it’s transparently dumb to pay some pseudo-intellectual for advice on how to dress. Just talk to that Blackwell guy, for Chrissakes!
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Chic
The reason why there are so many street children in Brazil is the ABSENCE OF ABORTION. The current governor of Rio de janeiro state, as SWPL as someone can be, said that we can´t have a city where women in the “asphalt” (euphemism for the rich neighborhoods ) have 1,7 children and women in the favelas (slums) have 3.
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“Your pathetic, useless sperm are dying in some wretched woman’s anus as opposed to creating new life… Instead they’re suffocating in stench and bacteria.”
Oh god that’s so hot… (((SPLAT)))
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“Your pathetic, useless sperm are dying in some wretched woman’s anus as opposed to creating new life… Instead they’re suffocating in stench and bacteria.”
A very pretty image, I must say. But, you know, the vaginal flora (and fauna. Critters do live there.) is not so great, either. And, I would guess a sperm’s chance of actually fertilizing an egg which survives to maturity would one chance out of many, many, many million. For example, there are about 200 million sperm in an ejaculate. So, the odds are 200 million to 1 each time. Since each time almost always results in no pregnancy, (3 kids in your life and having sex once per week, on the average, from 20 to 60 years, well, let’s see: 200 million x 52 weeks per year x 40 years gives about 400 billion sperm. A lowball figure for sure. So, the odds are over a billion to one that any particular sperm gets to fertilize an egg. It ain’t easy being male.
Well, I guess he aborted his sperm. It’s his right. It’s his body.
Can some pro-abortionist tell me if a woman can have an abortion to choose the sex of her baby? If not, why not? For the “good” of society?
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Your pathetic, useless sperm are dying in some wretched woman’s anus as opposed to creating new life… Instead they’re suffocating in stench and bacteria.
Sara is like that great running back Barry Sanders. He’d get the ball, get three yards. Then, maybe a yard. Then. he’d eke out a first down. Then a loss of a few. A few more measly first downs, then some more yardage losses. And so on, through the game. But they’d keep handing him the ball, because they knowe that eventually he woudl break one open and run 99 yards downfield for a touchdown when it counted the most.
And this is just like Sara. Goofy trollage. Then some new-age inanity. Then arguing for the sake of arguing. And some more vapidity.
And then, she delivers a killer.
Good job, Sarah. Way to smack down on the two of the things I detest: people who should be reproducing but don’t, and the shit-filled human colon.
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Ah, but the belly and the ass certainly do, Tupac.
Being wanted is so much more gratifying than being had.
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I blame working mothers. (I blame them for most social ills.) Eating prepackaged food and eating out is VERY fattening.
I suspect that even if women were still mostly stay at home mothers, you’d still see high consumption of prepackaged foods due to the fact that they’re relatively easy to prepare and require little effort on one’s part to cook them. Hell, my mom is a stay at home mother, and we ate our share of TV dinners as well because there were times where she was either too tired or didn’t have enough time to cook for us.
It’s a GOOD thing for conservatives in the long run if liberals abort themselves into irrelevance!
What’s so good about having unwanted children around? Would you prefer that liberal impoverish themselves to take care of children? Conservatives bitch about welfare and the tool needed to stay off welfare, abortion.
The major reason Sarah Palin was attacked and mocked so viciously and unfairly was because she was a anti-abortion woman who nonetheless succeeded.
Somebody sounds delusional. The reason I hated Sarah Palin is because she was possibly going to attract the prole female vote away from Obama. It’s politics, and it’s a dirty blood sport.
Hell, people seem to forget that Nancy Pelosi has five children and she managed to slowly make her way up to be being the Speaker of the House.
As for Madame Palin’s success, I’d argue that she lucked out given that it’s much easier to rise up in rural state than in a “urban” state. I remember once, somebody argued that Bill Clinton would have never become President had he been born in New York due to the fact that so many people are competing for limited slots. Hell, Obama lucked out by being a black politician who wasn’t stuck in a majority-black district which would have tainted his career and appeal to whites.
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One of the most tragic stories I know is that roissy’s brilliant genes will not be passed on. One can pray and hope that he will beat the odds by sheer volume.
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PA:
Good job, Sarah. Way to smack down on the two of the things I detest: people who should be reproducing but don’t
Where’s your kid, PA?
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You have all these posts about how perceptive you are at spotting flaws in women’s bodies. But none that answer the question, “Why should we care?”
If you don’t want to sleep with anyone older than 25, then, um, don’t. No one cares what your sexual preferences are. All of us will eventually be older than 25 (if we’re that lucky) so eventually all women will grow out of your target zone. Ok.
So what?
So you don’t want to marry anyone over 25. So, don’t. Women over 25 might not get to take care of your whiny little butt. Not a huge loss, if this site is an example of how thoughtful you are in real life.
It’s everlastingly funny to me that you think it’s some sort of loss.
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kthulah:
Being wanted is so much more gratifying than being had.
If you really believe that a “true” alpha would be above such “petty” concerns like the thinness/beauty of his woman, then you will know neither.
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Comment Sugar I think a very large difference has to be made between high-fructose corn-syrup and normal sugar….. and I think modern industrial processing has done something to. I can tell you there is a big difference in taste between the two. In addition, high-fructose corn syrup is banned in a few European countries. It’s banned in England(?) and France. IIRC, genetically engineered foods were banned a couple of Scandinavian countries as well.
Flouride in water can cause iodine deficiency.
I didn’t know this. I’m going to read more about it.
Blaiming the victim is very American, but also very boring
You got that right.
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@DA truth hurts- Fructose corn syrup is found in everything and I mean everything. Your jelly and fruit spreads, peanut butter, ketup toothpaste etc… this goes beyond people being lazy and greedy therefore they become fat. Why are people craving junk food so much? Why do Americans have to eat so much food before they feel full? Why is everyone who adopts an American diet fat? This goes across racial and ethnic lines. Asian, Black, White and Latino are all becoming fat or fatter. Why don’t people crave sugar from fruit instead of the fructose corn sugar found in a piece of candy or “fruit” juice?
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*screams with delight at the reapperence of dizzy*
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dizzy:
You have all these posts about how perceptive you are at spotting flaws in women’s bodies. But none that answer the question, “Why should we care?”
No, you don’t sound bothered at all.
It’s everlastingly funny to me that you think it’s some sort of loss.
Don’t be a stranger, Dizzy.
Post more comments please.
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David Alexander: “The major reason Sarah Palin was attacked and mocked so viciously and unfairly was because she was a anti-abortion woman who nonetheless succeeded.
Somebody sounds delusional. The reason I hated Sarah Palin is because she was possibly going to attract the prole female vote away from Obama. It’s politics, and it’s a dirty blood sport.”
—Somebody sounds delusional. You think that because you, beta David Alexander, hated Palin because she meant trouble for The One, everyone agreed with you?
Trust me, kid, your logic doesn’t cut the mustard there.
“Hell, people seem to forget that Nancy Pelosi has five children and she managed to slowly make her way up to be being the Speaker of the House.”
—Except always under the veneer of holding a coathanger over her kids heads and saying, “If you annoy me enough, this goes through your brain, brat.”
Pelosi is a abortion loving monster, so she “proved” the feminazi point: that in order to be a successful woman, you have to be in favor of abortion.
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Da_Truth_Hurts: “Be a caveman, eat like one, train like one, fuck like one. Your mind, body and spirit will thank you.”
Some good points in that post, but since most Americans and other people around the world now live in cities and/or suburbs “living the caveman lifestyle” has become an impossibility for most.
In many respects urbanization has made modern humans in to the pathetic, dependent, and coddled weaklings which they have become – we have gained supposed brain power at the expense of instinctual/body power, thus the PUA movement which seeks to re-establish this cavemanesque supremacy of the body/sensuality with its emphasis on pickin up chicks at the local watering hole (nowadays a bar) just as we used to do back in the caveman days.
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bdsPelosi is a abortion loving monster, so she “proved” the feminazi point: that in order to be a successful woman, you have to be in favor of abortion
smh
There are too many crazed people when it comes to this topic.
Who the hell loves abortion? Abortion is simply a part of life. If a woman really wants to have one, there is nothing anyone can do about it. She can throw herself down the steps, stop eating, punch herself in the stomach etc… Do you think there are human beings who go around smiling with glee every time a woman spreads them on the DR.’s table to have her fetus vacuumed out of her?
BTW, how many children have you or do you plan on adopting? There are plenty of unwanted children who need homes. I plan to adopt one little girl in another 15 years.
Do “be” like those prolife people who protest and run their mouths’ but fold up their cardboard signs and go home at 5pm to their “real” children without giving a thought to the many children who need parents.
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Anyone looking for a snack? Here’s a tasty little GNP for your dining pleasure (photo #8).
Peter
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Da_Truth_Hurts btw, I agree with you on walking long distance stuff. Much better than running on the knees and powering a bit during my walks gives me a bit of high(endorphins). When I walk alot I also sleep better at night, much more restful.
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Where’s your kid, PA
On his way, bro.
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Whiskey A forty year old woman is hardly “very” attractive. She’s possible to be “attractive” if she has won the genetic lottery, keeps in good physical condition, and so on. She might fantasize about an Alpha, but none would WANT her (for anything other than a one night stand). A guy her age can pull in a girl age 30 or even younger no problem, so why would he want an older cougar? Whiskey, there are women who are 40 and 50 something and happen to be Christie Brinkley and Angela Basset attractive. I grew up around some of those women. I’ve seen some women in NYC who are not stars yet they (abit Upper East Side) are well preserved for their age.
According to the CDC (their final 2007 Survey Report, you can find it on their website), 25% of White Women 40-49 have genital herpes, and SIXTY PERCENT of Black Women 40-49 have genital herpes.
Whiskey you do know that the CDC does not test each and every White and Black woman for these surveys right… If the guess or well thought out work of some mathematician (statistics person). Of both black and white women, drug addicts and former drug addicts seem to have the highest rates of the disease. Herpes is also found in higher percentages in low-income areas.
What do you know about testing for genital herpes? What if I told you that women are screened for genital herpes when they go in for their yearly pap? Guess what, most doctors will test you only if you show symptoms for herpes. Many people do not. Of those who test positive many are false positives.
I think oral herpes aka cold sores or fever blisters(herpes simplex 1) are much more prevalent amongst the general population.
Funfact: Allowing someone with a cold sore to go down on you can result in you developing genital herpes.
So watch out for those silly and sick women who kiss every girl (and guy) and goes down on random guys because “it’s fun” or “it’s something I enjoy” in the bar. Those women will have you crying sick and pissing dragons.
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HSV-1 can cause genital herpes, but it more commonly causes infections of the mouth and lips, so-called “fever blisters.” HSV-1 infection of the genitals can be caused by oral-genital or genital-genital contact with a person who has HSV-1 infection. Genital HSV-1 outbreaks recur less regularly than genital HSV-2 outbreaks.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/STDFact-Herpes.htm
For more info.
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Darker skin ages MUCH better. The sagging, breast drooping, etc. is all the same, but a black or Indian woman will not wrinkle until her 50s.
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Exactly how is marriage anything but a horrible deal for men?
1) Divorce laws overwhelmingly favor women, particularly if there is a kid involved. US divorce laws are to men what Saudi sharia laws are to women. A divorced man with kids will literally have to live off of 20% of his income, after child support.
2) The pretty girl you married ages. How can even a 50 year old man bring himself to have sex with a 48 year old woman? Particularly when women’s libido rises with age while men’s decline? I am sure that in most 45-50 year old married couples, it is the woman who wants it and the man who has to avoid her.
Why, exactly, should men marry? Men want kids and a family too, but he is literally risking his very life under US divorce laws.
Plus, by 2020, virtual reality simulation will be compelling enough for any man to have a perfect 22 yo woman of his choice to virtually fuck in a manner that is as compelling as the real thing.
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HSV-1 (what we call cold sores in the united states) is actually probably more serious of a problem than HSV-2 (genital herpes). This is because HSV-1 tends to live in not only the cranial nerves but can sometimes cause encephalitis. Not only that but infection with HSV-1 combined with the APOE4 gene dramatically increases your chances of getting Alzheimers. So despite the prevalence and social acceptance of HSV-1, it likely is having a very serious and unappreciated impact on mortality and morbidity. We desperately need a vaccine for HSV-1 and perhaps a better understanding if prophylactic treatment with valtrex might prevent progression of alzheimers. My understanding is that HSV-2 rarely can cause a cranial nerve infection in a neo-nate but the biggest problem from it is intermittent genital pain and social stigma.
Don’t kiss your kids if you have cold sores and tell the day care ladies not to either!
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“I don’t agree that men seem to lose looks as much when they age as women do.”
Have you seen the close up non-retouched Brad Pitt W cover? Ewww
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Since we’re on the pleasant subject of VD here’s another little known fact:
HSV-1 and HSV-2 infections have some (but not absolute) cross-immunity. In other worlds, if you have HSV-1 and you get exposed to HSV-2, you tend to have a much milder case of HSV-2. Also if you have HSV-2 you tend to have a milder case of HSV-1.
Here’s an idea: Since HSV-1 is likely causing serious brain damage in elderly people with the common APOE4 gene, maybe they should “vaccinate” themselves by getting genital herpes! Sleep with a slut for alzheimer’s prevention! A BJ for your brain! Not sure I want to try that until the science is clear…
The other odd thing I heard is that HSV-2 is more prevalent _orally_ in some countries (Japan) but I can’t seem to find the article discussing this anymore.
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Anon,
I agree, Brad Pitt is getting nasty. The sunshine has really f**k’d him up. And 5 years ago Demi Moore was absolutely doable big-time. Raquel Welsh aged really well too.
But I think overall most guys age better. I got dragged to see that Mama Mia movie (okay… beta-ish to agree to go. It’s like agreeing to hold a chick’s purse) and that’s all I could think about through the entire movie. Why the hell would any of those guys go for those old bags? But then again, guess who they are marketing the movie to?
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On his way, bro.
You tested or you’re hoping for a boy?
BTW, is Madame PA in her late twenties?
You think that because you, beta David Alexander, hated Palin because she meant trouble for The One, everyone agreed with you?
Why else would my male friends who vote Democratic hate her? We spent nights in online chats wondering what a McCain presidency would be like because we all presumed that there was no way that Obama could attract prole female votes when it was presumed that Palin would cater to that market.
Pelosi is a abortion loving monster, so she “proved” the feminazi point: that in order to be a successful woman, you have to be in favor of abortion.
Given that children are hindrance to career progression for women, it makes sense that female politicians are pro-choice. Even Wellesley Queen admitted that her desire to have two or three kids would derail her aspirations and leave her stuck at low levels of government.
And BTW, abortion today, abortion tomorrow, abortion forever.
It’s like agreeing to hold a chick’s purse
I held non-date’s purse as she tried on boots. Of course, the option was that she leave it on the floor for somebody to steal, but if your masculinity is that fragile, maybe you’re a closeted beta male who likes watching his girlfriend’s purse disappear.
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Alpha male is just another word for narcissism. How sad that you fools are eating all this up, when you are just turning yourselves into people with a mental illness:
Inflated self-importance
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you’re special
Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others or indifference if you have no current use for them
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Devaluing others based on a very narrow focus
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
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If men were as picky about their sexual partners as women , only 15 – 20 % of women would ever get laid on a regular basis.
The rest would have to resort to their battery powered plastic fantatics.
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“But I think overall most guys age better”
No they do not. They grow gray hair at the same average age as women, they are just as less likely to use spf, exercise, dress stylishly, grow a gut, become bitter, etc…
They also have the distinct disadvantage of balding, which is very rare for a woman.
When I was 23 I slept with a 42 year old and became attached (thought I was in love) even though he grossed me out in bed. He just felt old and I wasn’t too picky back then. (I liked him because of his money – yes). He had nice skin, wasn’t overweight, but still gross.
The worst was when he tried to relate to me, be “cool” or dress “young” at those times I was just embarrased for him.
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And before you ask why I would sleep with someone who grossed me out: back then I got off on how much he wanted me. So you guys who are hunting young gals and you are at least in your late thirties know that young women are NOT physically attracted to you they will just put up with you and fake all their excitement to keep the attention and goodies flowing.
How someone can enjoy sleeping with someone who is probably grossed out by you is a mystery to me.
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If men were as picky about their sexual partners as women , only 15 – 20 % of women would ever get laid on a regular basis.
Maybe men should be pickier about their sexual partners instead of banging whatever finally says yes…
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[i]If men were as picky about their sexual partners as women , only 15 – 20 % of women would ever get laid on a regular basis.
Maybe men should be pickier about their sexual partners instead of banging whatever finally says yes… [/i]
If more men had “game” instead of being average frustrated chumps that will settle for anything then maybe this would be the case. It would also have the other positive effect of pulling women in general into line.
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Two “high status males” of the highest order who are easily the sexists of sexiest:
Paul Newman (best looking man to ever live IMO) – married and stayed with the same woman until he died
Obama (about to become arguably the most powerful man on earth) – Has better things and more rewarding things to do with his life than “pull chicks”
These are the types of men to aspire to.
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Anon
“I don’t agree that men seem to lose looks as much when they age as women do.”
Have you seen the close up non-retouched Brad Pitt W cover? Ewww
His pretty boy days are gone. He is so not Thelma and Louise hot anymore. Billy Zane is another one who has not aged well. My God that man was once fine. I can only hope that Jessie Metcafe and Reggie Bush hold up well.
*sheds two tears for a pretty boy gone to waste*
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@Prometheus – Put not [] around both of your i .
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Anon – you can add Hugh Jackman to the list and well as Denzel Washington.
People like who they like and love who they love. Some men marry the woman who appeals to their heart not the one who will get them high fives from their friends for being a 10.
*shrugs shoulders*
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“high fives from their friends for being a 10”
And even then loads of men think Gisele Bunchen is a butterface even though she is a super model – yet she has a huge “alpha male” to marry.
Same for the caveman looking Eva Mendes. I could go on…people (male and female) don’t agree on what a ten is.
Some alpha men gross me out (always look like they need a shower): Colin Farell, Johnny Depp, etc.
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To continue the discussion on genital herpes. You can actually transmit the virus without even having an outbreak. Recent studies have answered the question as to the wide spread nature of this problem, of so many people getting this even though they showed no signs or symptoms when they had sex, especially oral sex. Oral transmission is the number one way of transmitting the herpes virus. Researchers have discovered that the virus can travel through the skin, without there being any outbreak or signs whatsoever. So basically, since this virus is extremely common among people, many more people are at risk than previously thought, and the outbreak rate is much greater despite previous measures at prevention.
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Anon
“high fives from their friends for being a 10″
And even then loads of men think Gisele Bunchen is a butterface even though she is a super model – yet she has a huge “alpha male” to marry.
Same for the caveman looking Eva Mendes. I could go on…people (male and female) don’t agree on what a ten is.
Some alpha men gross me out (always look like they need a shower): Colin Farell, Johnny Depp, etc.
Um Anon, I’ma really need you to get out of my head.
Eva and Gisele are both very sexy women but great beauties they are not.
Colin Farell has a pretty boy look but I agree with you he looks as greasy as Jermaine Jackson. Must be the drugs and liquor. Johnny Depp is very handsome but needs a new outfit. Why does he wear the very same outfit to the kids award show every year. Smh he has been wearing the very same getup since I was in middle school.
btw, add Johnny to the list. Vanessa Paradeis is not 10(American 10 anyway). Lets not forget Pierrce Browsnan(tp)
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“I held non-date’s purse as she tried on boots.”
So do most chicks think of you merely as a “friend” shopping partner?
Okay… I admit I’ve done pretty much the same thing. But I lose locker room points here for admitting it so yes, I’m a closet beta. I think we all talk a little fantasy smack here a little bit so we can work up the nerve and endurance to tame the shrews of the world the way they need to be tamed. It’s just “alpha man’s burden” to make the world safer for the meek and I’m just trying to do my part.
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DeCailis- What got me with the slut post besides the race stuff is the fact that the male commenters seemed more worried about protecting their heart instead of their bodies. Maybe that’s a result of men being more romantic, I don’t know. I will say that if you think of know that a person has really spread the love around, be cautions if you plan on sleeping with them. Try to get them tested(you go along), check(sneak) their lymph nodes when or preferably before making out.
When it comes to STDs condoms are like crossing the street on a red light. It’s a hell of a lot safer than crossing on green but there is still a chance, abet much smaller, that your ass will get ran over.
Insurance companies will start to openly discriminate against those who have had multiple STDs one day.
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So do most chicks think of you merely as a “friend” shopping partner?
I’m the inoffensive male friend that doesn’t try to bang them and in the process, I may end up pumping up their egos. As for shopping with non-date girlfriend, it was a joint trip where I picked up some stuff for myself, or something we did before we went out to eat dinner. I must admit, if it wasn’t for her, I’d be stuck eating in the diner alone…
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About this age thing, my impression is that women live longer but they wear out sooner. Forget about the looks. They are just physically worn out.
About who is more attractive. Women lose their estrogens and thus their feminine beauty. Men keep their testosterone. Men are not supposed to be pretty.
Next time some 30-40 something woman starts ragging you about how good she looks compared to men of the same age, suggest she try going for 3 months without any cosmetics, hair dye, nothing. No wigs, either. That’s right. Almost unthinkable.
A woman starts looking like a man real fast when she hasn’t got a lot of help from a bottle. All cosmetics do is help women look like they are still 18.
BTW, I am fairly certain that dark skin ages better because of the sun damage which fair skin experiences. So, fair ladies, keep out of the sun. It destroys fair skin fast. You can see the sun damage in 18 year old girls already here in Maryland. By the time they are 30, it is obvious and unsightly, but, covered over by cosmetics. You really can see it in photographs, though. The skin is more reflective and thin when photographed with a flash. When you see two women of the same age side by side, one with and one without the damage, the difference is gross.
By the same token, well preserved young blond skin is just about the best. Looks great, feels better. Look who Tiger Woods married.
But, we should all understand that life is short. We should love each other, not spend time finding small flaws to magnify. Nobody is perfect.
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I live in California so the sun damage thing is pretty nasty. 85% of the days there isn’t even a hint of clouds. If you jog, the sunscreen is just going to run off into your eyes. Chicks really age fast here. I can see how it happened to Pitt though I thought he spent most of his time just south of Monterey where it is often foggy.
As far as makeup goes, for some reason even in chicks that aren’t leather hand bags yet, I have to say eyeliner always does it for me. If a chick is halfway hot and starts wearing eyeliner I start to hover around her. When I lived in the south I loved it as the chicks there really new how to do the makeup thing right. I’d love to say 100% natural is best but honestly there are a few things that can really get to me.
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@joel
Your comment above is a blabbering circle of self-delusion.
About this age thing, my impression is that women live longer but they wear out sooner. Forget about the looks. They are just physically worn out.
No one cares about your impression. Where’s the data? What wears out? not women’s hearts nor vasculature. What metric do you refer to?
About who is more attractive. Women lose their estrogens and thus their feminine beauty. Men keep their testosterone.
Not true. Testosterone levels drop off precipitoisly after age 30.
Men are not supposed to be pretty.
That’s what you prefer to believe.
Next time some 30-40 something woman starts ragging you about how good she looks compared to men of the same age, suggest she try going for 3 months without any cosmetics, hair dye, nothing. No wigs, either. That’s right. Almost unthinkable.
Women are willing to daily wear sunscreen, moisturizer, hair color , and makeup. Most men do not. Men’s faces age much more rapidly because of it.
A woman starts looking like a man real fast when she hasn’t got a lot of help from a bottle. All cosmetics do is help women look like they are still 18
You clearly are no artist, and have no idea what makeup can do .
BTW, I am fairly certain that dark skin ages better because of the sun damage which fair skin experiences. So, fair ladies, keep out of the sun.
This is common knowledge, Einstein.
By the same token, well preserved young blond skin is just about the best.
This is at odds with the knowledge that dark skin survives sun damage better. Your fair skin beauty will wilt rapidly. Look at her fading eyebrows, her paling lips, and her early wrinkles. Check back with us in ten years to verify, rather than your wishful thinking.
But, we should all understand that life is short. We should love each other, not spend time finding small flaws to magnify. Nobody is perfect.
Then why did you bother to post your nonsense comments if you are so aloof to the effects of aging..?
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Dear Anony,
If everybody knows sunlight causes fair skin to age faster, why do so many fair skinned people allow their skin to be damaged by the sun?
And, even fewer people seem to know that sun damage to the skin causes gray hair. Not sure why. Maybe it’s because it allows Demodex (You many have to look that up) to crawl into hair follicles, feed, and damage the follicle. But, fair skinned people don’t go gray because they run out of pigment. It is not a “natural aging” event.
I know plenty of people who seem to underestimate the damage that sun does to fair skin. I know redheads who try hard to tan. I know one who died from a melanoma. She liked to lie out in the sun in Florida.
Fair skinned people who avoid the sun look very nice as they age. They don’t get necessarily get grey hair either, if they avoid direct sunlight to the head (like, wear a hat.) Just compare aging women in Vermont to aging women in Florida or in Maryland.
So, that fair skinned beauty can be beautiful for a long time.
I would hazard to guess you don’t have fair skin.
Oh, Anony, one more thing. Go fuck yourself.
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@Joel,
You know very well why people don’t use sunscreen , and my skin looks just fine, thanks.
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And calling any behavior you don’t like, no matter how universal it is, “American,” is very liberal and also very boring as well. Travel around the world and you’ll find that we Americans are unfortunately among the LEAST judgmental against fat people. Foreigners in fact love mocking Americans for being so tolerant of being fat. I hate when liberals just call any behavior they don’t like “so American” or say “only in America” without actually knowing what they’re talking about.
Calling grown adults “victims” for authoring their own miseries is also very liberal and very boring as well.
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Oh yes, everyone is always responsible for everything that happens to them. In a country where, as you no doubt agree, alpha can ignore the rules, and beta better follow the rules and the rules are whatever Alpha and Woman want any given second. Better take responsibility for that!
For those who care to argue, what about the fifty billion dollar thief out on bail? OUT ON BAIL!
I can be jailed, according to my cities building codes, up to 90 days per day of violation after a warning and ten day grace period for failing to have my fire alarms ‘connected’! You see, my city references thousands of pages of ‘building codes’ from a third party that are completely incomprehensible, and demands that I follow every rule! And every violation has the same punishment! Up to five hundred dollars and 90 days in jail PER DAY of violation! More than two years in jail if I don’t have my fire alarms ‘connected’ for a week after the ten day period ‘grace period’!
Oh, I know they don’t actually do that… unless they want to! What they DID do to me was charge me 50 dollars PER DAY for a leaning fence! But I did have seven ‘free’ days from when the notice was SENT to correct the violation. Now, granted, the actually silly laws give me ten days from when the notice is recieved….. but why should the city follow it’s own laws? BETA.
I once knew a stupid 19 year old. He agreed to sell his car for little because he thought it was broken. It turned out that his tires were unbalanced. He still sold it for the same price… running good… as he had agreed on when he thought it was broken. Then he let the cheat knock a few hundred off the price because of a cracked windshield. He then bought a car he couldn’t afford. I tried to help, but he wouldn’t listen.
You’d almost think there was something wrong with him, which of course there was. Once when he got really upset he began the characteristic rocking you get from autistic people. You see he was another one of those thimerosal babies.
I wonder, maybe, if he should TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for being permentally brain-damaged as a child?
But I do appreciate the Squealing I generated. It shows a solid hit.
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Comment_Responsibility,
“Oh yes, everyone is always responsible for everything that happens to them.”
Strawman argument. I had NEVER said that. Only one squealing here is you. Try again.
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Tupac said, while I was sleeping rather soundly, “If you really believe that a “true” alpha would be above such “petty” concerns like the thinness/beauty of his woman, then you will know neither.”
If that’s what you thought I meant, you are missing the point…but that’s common.
I’d explain it, but you wouldn’t get it, or you would dismiss it because you can’t comprehend it.
So I’ll keep it simple: exceptional people live exceptional lives.
Mediocre people lead mediocre lives, and the best they aspire to is the peak of mediocrity. The ideals of the mediocre may be relatively ideal to them, and indeed, the best they know and the best they can do. This is not a crime, and they will never even notice what they are missing.
Exceptional people on the other hand, can be the actual best and can reach the actual peak because their ideals are not limited by a mediocre standard of “ideal”.
So I am positive that Alphas are concerned with the beauty of their partners. They’re just not limited to a mediocre or “normal” template for it.
There is a dark side to that too…and if there is that, then what do you figure precludes there also being a gray area of “niche” preferences?
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If everybody knows sunlight causes fair skin to age faster, why do so many fair skinned people allow their skin to be damaged by the sun?
Tanned girls are have more sexual appeal, IMHO.
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PA
Good job, Sarah. Way to smack down on the two of the things I detest: people who should be reproducing but don’t, and the shit-filled human colon.
Tonight I shall celebrate my victory with wine, sweet words, and music.
anon
Alpha male is just another word for narcissism. How sad that you fools are eating all this up, when you are just turning yourselves into people with a mental illness:
By roissy’s definition “alpha” is the biggest fucker in the bunch; the silverback gorilla who fucks ’em and leaves ’em the most often. I’ve suggested replacing “alpha” with healthy masculine man but the problem is roissy knows nothing on the subject.
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PA —
There a whole bunch of tough-but-vulnerable female characters in recent years, not all of them ass-kickers but some: the 1990’s “Miss Parker” from the Pretender, tough on the outside, sad-frightened girl on the inside (with a host of parental issues). Buffy, constantly trying to redo her first love (as recent studies show, a bad move that predictably caused heartache). Veronica Mars, low-rent p.i. with a bad case of the bad boys, leading to heartache. “Chuck’s” Sarah Walker, conflicted, tight-lipped adrenaline junkie. “Life’s” Sarah Shahi’s character, battling drug-booze addiction and with “Tao of Steve” star Donal Logue as the breezy, fat, but compelling boyfriend-superior.
What makes these characters distinct and different than the nerd fantasy (Sailer is correct there) of say, the characters Milla Jojovich or Kate Beckinsale play a lot (or Angelina Jolie in Wanted) is the emotional complexity of the characters (who kick ass mostly out of emotional problems, duty, etc.). “Chuck’s” “Sarah Walker” (played expertly by Aussie import and newcomer Yvonne Strahowski) has both feelings for the title character and must protect him (making him less explicitly sexually attractive to her). At the same time she’s emotionally closed off, a very “masculine” role and has a hard time dealing with the title character when he decides not to play the David Alexander role (as he does, occasionally). A very PUA-type show, in how it deals with the most beta of beta guys (Chuck) and his secret sort-of-Alpha-but-not life. Particularly the “smart guy’s dilemma” i.e. being able to see danger and not liking it much, a turn-off for women.
But then TV has traditionally had (due to time advantages and budget constraints) an emphasis on character through action rather than just pure action of the movies.
Anonymous — yes you described a cougar. Over 40 = cougar. Hell, over 35 = cougar. This is reality, deal.
Joel — you can’t see them because consumer toys and pr0n have helped dim the anger. You will see them trust me. Why not have polygamy? Well Bin Laden and FLDS founder Jeffs would agree with you. The young boys kicked out of the place and their 14 year old friends married off to fifty year olds might feel different. THAT is polygamy, not the gay-man created/written “Big Love” fantasy. There is no case where some men having most of the women do not create fights (often deadly) over women. See Pitcairn Island.
Chic — Christie Brinkley is a very attractive woman. It did not stop her husband from screwing the 17 year old baby-sitter, who because of her youth was far more attractive. The same for Basset. No matter how pretty, no woman of forty is as desirable as an average girl of average looks at 25. This is reality, women delude themselves on the power and duration of their beauty. Brinkley did (and chose badly therefore in the bargain).
As for the CDC survey, it is what it is. Obviously, two things obtain from the data. One is that there is something seriously wrong in Black culture/sexual conduct for rates to be so high. Two is that this cultural bad behavior is being mirrored but so far at lesser extents among their White peers. Dubbed un-PC (but nevertheless true) “hate facts” (because they explode PC lies about behavior) the numbers ought to call out for a serious dose of social reform (like maybe everyone have less sex partners).
Yes men are very romantic. Which is why most men try to conceal it.
Joel — the idea is to grow old together. Marriage is a good deal for men and women, provided it’s early enough to create lifetime bonds. Hopping from partner to partner like Brinkley does guarantees cheating as looks fade and power remains with the man.
Anon said the older guy grossed her out but she slept with him because he had money. Point made. As usual she’s clueless about men (like most women, who lack any clue because as the pursued they don’t have to have one). Men don’t aspire to be either Celebrity in Chief like Obama or a movie star like Newman (good looks are genetic not achievable). They want power, leadership, male patronage, and success. Mike Ditka, Bill Cowher, or Peyton Manning come to mind. Only a woman would think a man would find Obama, a Brad Pitt female-emotional type celebrity, worthy of emulation.
You can see this gap (between what women like in men and what men like in men) most clearly in male-oriented commercials: Manning, Ditka, and the like dominate, the amiable jock who provides a buddy-style patronage and does not pose around to provoke male jealousy the way Obama does.
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“You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight.” Neil Peart ‘Resist’
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Eman, when a person finds themselves in a situation where a higher level “caveman” diet/lifestyle is impossible, one can still at least go “hut dweller”.
Also, if you find a group of lifestyle compatible, likeminded folks, communal living is the bomb. I wouldn’t live any other way. Everybody saves a ton of money, eats well, has company, and is supported in maintaining their health.
Humans are tribal creatures, so urban living has a definite charm, but it doesn’t mean you have to go whole hog (pun intended) and live like a caged animal. There are easy changes that can be made to improve one’s life and balance one’s weight in the process.
…and it can be done even by people who work pretty long, sedentary hours like I do.
Just bypass all the processed stuff, and buy food-food instead. Buddy up for walks and workouts so there’s a steady schedule and accountability, unless you really prefer to do these things alone. Allow yourself monthly pig-out days to wallow in barbecue sauce or something, but keep it to that level.
If you have to eat out alot, get to know the chefs at the places you frequent. Tell them how you want things prepared. Have the summer roll instead of the spring roll.
These things have to be long term lifestyle changes, not spot treatments, then going back to the same old screwed up life. I don’t believe in dieting…just living like a human being, and not like foie gras.
I don’t judge people too harshly for being fat, one because I know from personal experience that it’s not always about fault, but also because I have known some compulsive overeaters. It’s really not something that they can contol. I don’t see it as particularly worse than other eating disorders or compulsive behaviors that are just as harmful to people’s health, but less visible.
Date a cutter for awhile…
However, there are plenty, I’d venture most, who aren’t disordered eaters. They’re just doing what’s natural for people to do when they’re surrounded by calorie dense food: eat it. It takes conscious decision and alot more willpower than low appetite people understand, to push away from the cheesy puffs.
Those who are farther along the path of success in that should be bringing others up, not tearing them down.
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DA: Tanned girls are have more sexual appeal, IMHO.
Naturally tanned girls, yes. They’re usually more physically active and thus have sexier bodies. Tanning bed girls or even worse, orange artificial tanned girls just look ridiculous.
Whiskey: Manning, Ditka, and the like dominate, the amiable jock who provides a buddy-style patronage and does not pose around to provoke male jealousy the way Obama does.
This is exactly why Manning gets more endorsements than Tom Brady. Manning is a friendly, slightly awkward guy most American men can relate to while Brady is too good looking and too “perfect.”
Manning’s endorsements are things like Gatorade, MasterCard, and DirectTV. The kind of things regular guys have use for. Brady has endorsed things that are more in keeping with his persona like Cadillac, Stetson cologne and Movado watches.
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the last anony was me.
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Woman is over 50, at the very least over 46
Why? – Women under 40 in today’s world usually believe they are still A-list, thanks to TV and horn-dogs who aren’t picky. In their 40’s they are in denial, at 50 they start trying to revalidate themselves physically if they haven’t reached menopause yet. All that and her hair looks thin, might be the estrogen drying up.
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Marriage is a good deal for men and women, provided it’s early enough to create lifetime bonds
A woman gets attached to a man she only wants for money, and man is tricked into thinking somebody really loves him. Yeah, that sounds like a great deal for everybody involved.
like maybe everyone have less sex partners
Some part of me feels that sex with more partners is more adventurous and fun than sex with the same old person.
“hate facts”
They make non-Asian minorities look bad compared to white people which justifies racism and implies that these groups are inferior to white people.
It did not stop her husband from screwing the 17 year old baby-sitter
From what I remember, the baby-sitter wasn’t that good looking, so I’d wonder why he’d squander his marriage on an average looking teenage girl who wasn’t any better looking than his wife.
does not pose around to provoke male jealousy the way Obama does
Jealousy of Obama or Brad Pitt sounds kinda gay. I’m probably the most pathetic beta specimen here, and I’m not jealous of those men, so why would the average male who has some degree of confidence and even more access to females than me feel that way?
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@ some other guy
Anyone know if that’s the same Mike Leigh that appears on the Spurs Show with Phil Cornwell podcast?
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Nevermind. The Mike Leigh on the Spurs Show is an agent. Not the writer/director.
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“Insurance companies will start to openly discriminate against those who have had multiple STDs one day.”
Since the only thing insurance does well is to pool risk, it’s a shame they aren’t doing so already.
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Field Report: MLK Weekend Wrap-Up
Sun Jan 19 2009
Obsidian Reporting
This week was a blend of good and bad; I’ll deal w/the bad first.
Last Sat, right after seeing “Brown Sugah” off at the train station (see “Operation Brown Sugah” for details), and shortly after getting back home, my trusty smartphone *dies*. Just keeled over. Could turn the thing on, at all. And since im on the move a lot, I’m pretty much dead in the water for the following week w/o any Internet connection to the rest of the world, to say nothing of calls, texts, etc. Needless to say, this hampered my operations considerably. Mercury Retrograde, strikes again.
OK, so on Payday, I’m finally able to grab up a new smartphone, getting a upgraded model in the process, and from there head on down to meet w/Sparks, who I flaked out on several times, with a few of his homies in Olde City. They’re a good group of guys, and we exchanged insights and info on various elements of the Game. Being the loudmouth that I am, it ain’t long before I end up being the center of gravity in the room, and here I must note that this is an *important* feature for an Player to have about himself: BE the Social Center of the room. Later on in the evening, I demonstrate this principle to Sparks at one of the nitespots he likes to hangout at.
I’ve personally found that taking out some time to sitback and observe how Social Dynamics in clubs and bars play themselves out is HIGHLY effective. Most guys, after reading Game Lit, just go right out there and start approaching Women. While this is no doubt very admirable, you can get burnt out real quick because you might not be aware of all the subtle things that in my view you can only really pickup on by actually taking the time to get the lay of the land, so to speak.
For me, Gaming is A LOT like Hunting. You have to know your prey-mating patterns, basic psychology, seasons, and so on. And, additionally, you also have to know the habitat in which your prey lives. Knowing all of these things will help you in “calibrating” before you actually go in-field.
So, Sparks and I just sitback for an hour or two surveying things at this nite spot. We go up to two guys, one Black, the other White (“mirroring” me and Sparks, who is White), and they happen to be the only guys at the bar who is actually facing the dancefloor. This makes them stand out; they don’t have their drinks as if clutching security blankets like Linus; they look they *are somebody*. We make quick friends with them, and now its four guys like this at the bar. Others begin to notice, but we continue what we’re doing; our conversation is more interesting than the feeble attempts of Females to get our attention. This makes them come a bit closer, at one point, after the other two guys leave, about 4 of them coming over *to our spot on the bar*, basically the end, to order drinks.
Uh, Proximity Alert System, anyone?
Fellas, when you walk into a club/bar, one of the most important places there is the bar. Post up there, facing the dancefloor/front door. NEVER HAVE YOUR BACK TO THE DOOR. You always want to be able to see who’s coming in. Barring that, try and grab up a booth, etc. Getting the layout of the spot where you plan to “hunt” will greatly help you. Remember, Find, ATTRACT, Meet, Close. The Female MUST be attracted to you, FIRST, before anything else can possibly happen. Looking important and interesting helps that happen. And, like anything else in life, Game depends on Location, Location, Location.
OK, so me and Sparks then observes how the guys and gals are arranged-it reminds us of the School Dance. Guys over here, Gals over there, and rarely if ever, shall the two meet. Of course, this invites groups of gals to dance w/each other (btw, at this point I shared my pet theory w/Sparks that roughly 75% of all Human Females are inherently Bi), and when a particularly frisky pair does, a good looking White fella steps to them. He crashes and burns inside of 30 seconds. Me and Sparks laugh.
Fellas, Mystery says that it is not a good idea to attempt to step to a Female on the dancefloor and run Game, and while he doesn’t specifically address it, me and Sparks wholeheartedly agree, that it is an especially bad idea to attempt an approach while one gal is dancing with another. NOT GOOD. Especially if, like the White fella, you go in with the body language of a Joe Friday-ramrod stiff, while the gals are grinding on one another. Whew.
One thing I’ve been really into since I’ve officially been studying Game is the idea of Sub-Communication. This involves dropping in subtle hints and clues that usually fly right over the heads of most (straight) guys, but which Women pickup on very astutely. One of them is the idea of “Mirroring & Matching”.
A concept I learned about back in my Salesman days, M&M operates on the principle that we Humans tend to be more receptive to those who most resemble us in some way. In order to get customers to buy, you want to bring down as many barriers between you two as possible. So, this can mean that you want to “mirror” your customer as much as possible-body language, speaking styles/patterns, mannerisms, etc. In fact, I’ve always been amazed by how this works over the years-simply copying these things w/a person can get you far. I’ve done it again this week in fact. Hang tight, I’ll discuss it in a few.
Anyway, my point about the other night is that, if Joe Friday was gonna make a move on the Dancefloor Two Set, he should have did it *while dancing himself*. It would have made his approach much easier, instead of him getting blowout the frame inside half a minute.
All in all, it was a good night, I finally got to meet Sparks in person-a good man, I might add-and am looking foward to sharing many adventures as his Wing, sampling many of the City of Brotherly Love’s Womanly Delights, until the Fat Whore can suckle us no more. Heh heh.
Now, let me share a few details of one of my latest activites, what I call, Operation Iron Horse…
At the start of last week’s work week, on my usual ride on the Iron Horse going to work, I spied what I consider to be the first legitimate HB10 since I first read The Game, last month: she’s about 5’6″, lightskinned, long curly black hair, and deliciously thick-OH MY GOD, what a fat ass. Face-BEAUTIFUL.
Of course, being ever nonchalant, I acted as if I didn’t even notice her at all, sitting on the farside of the train (I would learn that this didn’t quite work as well as I had hoped, LOL) and decided to focus on my morning reading.
I then saw her twice more, the third time seated right accross from me, as I conversed with energy to one of my oldheads. She had her head in a big Medical textbook. Hmm…
OK, so MLK’s official birthday, Thu Jan 15 2009, rolls around. I decide its time to move in.
When I see her on the train, I step on, greet my oldheads first, then stride right over to her and sitdown next to her, bidding her “Good Morning”.
The Game, is On…
As this is an ongoing operation, I can’t go too far into the details, but hope to post up more information soon. But please know that the “Mirror & Matching” technique was used to great effect, for I had noticed that she wore a black skiing style jack and blue jeans everyday. So, take a wild guess what I decided to wear on the day of my approach?;)
And keep in mind-this was on the subway, at like 6AM, and she’s studying a Medical textbook. I didn’t get blown out, didn’t get cussed out, didn’t get the “I have a boyfriend” speech. She gave me subtle, but powerful IOIs, including coyly smiling while looking down into her book, & all the fellas on the train gave me much dap for stepping to her.
More details, soon.
And lastly, “Brown Sugah” came over for what ended up being a weekend instead of just another day trip, Sat & Sun. Let’s just say that we brought new meaning to King’s oft-repeated refrain, We Shall Overcome.
Yes Lord.
Holla back
The Obsidian
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Anyone looking for a snack? Here’s a tasty little GNP for your dining pleasure (photo #8).
– Peter
=== Dammit Peter, such photos leave me no choice but to lay down a barrage of cutie links
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David Alexander wrote: “Why else would my male friends who vote Democratic hate her? We spent nights in online chats wondering what a McCain presidency would be like because we all presumed that there was no way that Obama could attract prole female votes when it was presumed that Palin would cater to that market.”
Women vote democratic more often than men. Single people vote democratic more often than married people. Women’s sufferage caused the biggest shift left in American political history (yay prohibition!). Your concerns were entirely misfounded. Palin applead to married women, who were more likely to vote conservative anyway. The Republicans screwed up, knowing that McCain wasn’t very popular with their base, and tried to appease their base with Palin. But you don’t appease your base in a national election, you neglect it and go after what gains can be made on the margins. This is why the Republicans got slaughtered in the Presidential election.
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CHIC noir wrote: “Fructose corn syrup is found in everything and I mean everything”
That is bullshit. There is no Fructose corn syrup in veggies, raw fruit, grass fed beef, and fish. Get my point? People eat shit, made with shit, and blame the people selling it to them.
Stop eating the shit. The companies making it will change. Stay away from the middle rows in a supermarket. In fact, try to avoid large supermarkets altogether.
What the fuck is so hard about taking an hour or two out of the week to prepare healthy meals? No one is that fucking busy. Your body isn’t worth taking care of?
Seriously, the few extra dollars spent buying natural, organic, and gluten free foods is a drop the bucket compared to all the nasty fucking health problems you could develop down the road.
There is nothing wrong with whole, healthy foods. Avoid the shit that comes from mass farms, like chicken and beef loaded with hormones. Nothing from a box, either. Take fish oil pills.
As for living like a caveman, its all in your approach. I am stationed in Tampa, granted not a mecca but it is a city. I hunt for the best, healthiest foods. I train in parks and the base gym with classic weight lifting moves. When I see a chick I think is hot, I walk right up to her, make great eye contact and start putting the moves on. If she don’t like it, I move on.
Caveman in a suit is doable for anyone. Anywhere. Anytime.
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The Republicans screwed up, knowing that McCain wasn’t very popular with their base,
Understatement of the year. McCain was the worst presidential candidate ever. Seeing him dodder on stage during the debates and say things that made GW Bush sound like Socratres in comparison was a painful experience.
Painful, because at that moment it was crystalized in my mind that today’s Republican party is one of those sham opposition parties one sees in one-party states.
and tried to appease their base with Palin.
Palin got my attention. Unfortunately she wasn’t ready for prime time against hostile media operatives.
But you don’t appease your base in a national election, you neglect it and go after what gains can be made on the margins.
McCain’s campaign sure made some impressive gains at the margins, eh? Especially with those coveted African American voters.
This is why the Republicans got slaughtered in the Presidential election.
Republicans got slaughtered in the Presidential election because they nominated an imbecillic traitor to his nation for president, and ran as Democarats-lite.
My reaction to the election results: I’m glad that McCain lost and I’m tuning Obama out.
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Just had the chance to scroll back through the comments and I see that Madame Governor Palin is still in the craw of some. Given the nature of the thread, I’d like to offer some comments.
I think Sarah Palin is a fitting point of comparison to the picture of the Woman in this thread, and just goes to prove my point, that issues such as these (age and attendant sexual attractiveness wrt Females) is not a cookie cutter thing, but rather one that has to be decided on a case by case basis. Palin, a Woman who is solidly in her mid 40s, had a clear majority of American (and Foriegn) Males enthralled, and it is for THIS REASON ABOVE ANY AND ALL OTHERS that she was so roundly reviled by the “Female” Economy, if you will, which Whiskey has so eloquently, and frequently, written about, both here and on his very insightful blog.
Additionally, it bears mentioning that Roissy himself has offered a very keen analysis along these lines wrt Palin and the recent elections insofar as the Female Vote is concerned. It repays close reading and study in order to properly understand Sexual Marketplace Dynamics, in my humble view.
Women are *very sensitive* to other Women in their midst who are considered to be far and away more sexually attractive to Males than they are. And Women have been known to emply tactics to attempt to discredit said Female, from applying the “Slut” labelling, to, in Palin’s case, a panoply of things: the Tina Fey, near 24-hour SNL assault, to the wider Media representations of her, and so on.
Its been said that the best place to hide something is to put it in plain sight of everyone; Palin’s getting dumped on is very easy to understand, once one is brave enough to see the world for what it is. Bottomline: she was HOT TO DEATH, and American Women knew it. The End.
Oh, btw, wrt Obama and Clinton, in both cases, the same Female demographic overwhelmingly supported both, and it was clear to this Brotha at least, that in the case of the former, the animus that was drving the GOP against Clinton was at the very least, rooted in deep Hateration because he was able to get Notch on Demand.
Now, I didn’t vote for Obama, but his opponent, and I say that as a Black Man. I have no personal axe to grind w/him, and should he prove himself a worthy POTUS, he will more than likely get my vote the next time around. And, I made the case to quite a few, that when one really sits down and thinks about it, I have more in common w/First Dude Todd Palin, than I do with our 44th President, once one gets past our skin colors. I try to vote along lines that go beyond skindeep. But that’s just me.
Having said that, I will give Obama this: he has officially made being a Brotha in America “acceptable” to the most rarefied of American Women, those who turned out overwhelmingly for him in the elections. It will be easier for me than ever to score some serious Ivy League, blue blood Poon, should I desire it, and so can just about any other Brotha reading this-because, if you’re reading this, that says that you’re at least *reasonably* intelligent, and all that comes w/such a marker. And we all know how weak at the knees so many White folks get when in the presence of an eloquent Brotha.
Especially White Women.
Within the contexts of Game, I gotta give Barck Hussein Obama Jr his due. Good lookin’ out, Bro.
Oh, and don’t get it twisted y’all: American Women on either side of the aisle, ain’t hardly tryin’ to give up Abortion (Sandra Day O’Connor favored it), going to school or getting careers. Or all that comes with these things. Again, w/all due respect to my White Brothers here, it all comes off as little more than Whining. You got Game materials, which is about the only real “market correction” tools the average rank and file guy can use to get REAL results for himself, and that’s whether he intends to marry or not. Barring a Chairman Mao style crackdown/rollback to round up and then herd, enmasse, Women back into the kitchens, there ain’t gonna be a great gettin’ up mornin’ where things go back to Ozzie and Harriet-and keep in mind, im very sympathetic to such notions myself.
Learn about the Force, Luke-and you two will know what it means to bust more nuts w/a Hot Woman than the law allows.
The Obsidian
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“Oh, I know they don’t actually do that… unless they want to! What they DID do to me was charge me 50 dollars PER DAY for a leaning fence! But I did have seven ‘free’ days from when the notice was SENT to correct the violation. Now, granted, the actually silly laws give me ten days from when the notice is recieved….. but why should the city follow it’s own laws? BETA.”
Actually, they’re being uber-Alpha towards you. Most “betas” I know don’t treat people that way.
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“Ladies, men will always try to fuck you, the real measure of your desirability is how many marriage proposals you’ve had in the past year.”
So super-hot chicks get multiple marriage proposals within the same year?
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Agnostic, what’s your anti-baldness regimen? Is it working?
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“If that’s what you thought I meant, you are missing the point…but that’s common.
I’d explain it, but you wouldn’t get it, or you would dismiss it because you can’t comprehend it.”
Kthulah > Tupac
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Great thread.
The woman is a deluded idiot in her 40’s. She could put on some nice clothes, do some self-tutoring with good books and classical music, and absolutely knock it out of the park with a decent man her age.
Instead, she’ll continue to believe all the pretty egalitarian lies and continue with age-inappropriate activities and associates. Something bad will happen: a public dressing-down, LOTS of phone calls to former toys that aren’t returned, culminating in a New Year’s Eve alone with the houseplants, etc.
And how will she respond to this cold cruel bucket of reality? Why she’ll do just what every other biddy on The View or watching The View has done: go completely fucking batshit-insane. Nobody will have anything to do with her, so she’ll withdraw into a coven with all the other batshit-insane 50 year old women and go on manic breast cancer/pro-choice/free Mumia marches.
I could go on.
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Comment_Responsibility,
“Oh yes, everyone is always responsible for everything that happens to them.”
Strawman argument. I had NEVER said that. Only one squealing here is you. Try again.
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Since you refuse the obvious generality of what I say, let’s be specific.
The tap water, the water from the soda fountain, the water in you shower in(which may very well be the worst), contains fluoride. Looking at fluoride in the Periodic Table, we can see that it is in the same column as iodine. From that we can be certain that it reacts in a fairly similiar, but different manner. Which means it can take over the place occupied by iodine in many reactions.
I just noticed, though I always knew, that fluoride is in the same column as chlorine….. who knows what that is causing.
The same ‘logic’ was used to ‘invent’ lithium as an anti-psychotic. It is in the same column as sodium, but higher. Thus it can scramble the sodium-potassium pumps of the cells in the brain…. and EVERY OTHER CELL IN THE BODY! Modern science, woo-hoo!
In any case, iodine is used to make T4 and T3. They regulate CELLULAR metabolism. That is, the energy burn rate of not just your muscles cells, not just your brain cells, not just your heart cells, but all of them at once! All, or almost all, the cells in your body. The test for extremely low T4 and T3 levels is in fact to take the temperature under the tongue of a person(there may be something else involved). Low temperature equals low energy burn rate. What problems can this cause?
A more limited set perhaps would be problems it can’t cause, since it lowers the energy of EVERY CELL IN THE HUMAN BODY.
EVERYONE in America that showers where fluoride is in the water, is having their iodine lowered by a measurable amount. Filters work poorly… or not at all. Maybe it’s only ‘a little’. Maybe the thyroid can work harder, at that point, to make enough T3/T4. But it is there, for EVERYONE.
(Hundreds of dollars may fix this, but not your filter at Lowes.)
Do you think the ‘people’ who made Dr. Strangelove are going to apologize for being dangerous fools? I THINK NOT.
Apology is Beta.
NOTE:
I have all the books required to make this a 100% accurate super-smarty post, but I have a life, and don’t have the time to look it up. I am aware that maybe T3 is more important than T4 and maybe the low T3/T4 test is a little different. Some more correct names could also be used. I am, however, unwilling to spend the hour or two looking it up. However, the fact that fluoride negatively effects T4 and T3 levels is simply true.
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what is T3 and T4?
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truth hurtsSeriously, the few extra dollars spent buying natural, organic, and gluten free foods is a drop the bucket compared to all the nasty fucking health problems you could develop down the road
Agreed and it’s the reason I spend a grip on fruit.
There is no Fructose corn syrup in veggies, raw fruit, grass fed beef, and fish. Get my point? People eat shit, made with shit, and blame the people selling it to them
Got you.
Obsidian-I don’t doubt that a few women hate on Pailin because of her looks but I believe that most of the hate she got was more of a class thing. If she were Black, we(blk people) would call her ghetto. Pailin came across as a female version of George Bush. Women were not willing to risk having a female President Bush.
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Mu blue blood Poon
Mu, I’m going to argue that the Anglo Saxon blue blood poon is off limits to most people. Even white males who have worked there way into the upper class have a difficult time getting close to those women.
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Chic Noir,
I would kindly suggest you checkout Roissy’s (& for that matter Sailer’s) analysis of Palin. The major reason for the outpouring of sheer Id-based vitriol against her was because of her overt Fecundity. Period. Women are sensitive to this in ways that most cannot understand in a coherent way (Women such as yourself may be an exception, I might add), and most Men have no understanding or awareness of (as w/most things of a Social Dynamics sort).
As for Blue Blood Anglos, I must respectfully disagree. There have always been Black Men, from Booket T & Frederick Douglass & DuBois, to Paul Robeson and Raplh Ellison, who had access to the putative top of the Poon Chain, if you will. And that’s not even counting the number of younger Women in that cohort who lust after the Thugs-and arrange for trysts.
Oh-one final thing, Chic. Given your interest in fashion and my “Game” project, I was wondering if it would be possible if you could help me out in getting a Spring wardrobe. It looks like I may be coming into some funds soon. Just curious.
Holla back
The Obsidian
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MU The major reason for the outpouring of sheer Id-based vitriol against her was because of her overt Fecundity. Period
All doubt this. Being jealous of her beauty is more believeable. Most women would have five kids of their own if they started before 25 and stayed away from birthcontrol. Getting knocked up alot is no big deal. It’s something most our grandmother & great-grandmothers did with ease.
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Given your interest in fashion and my “Game” project
why not 🙂
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Keith:
Kthulah > Tupac
Yeah, in pounds.
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kthulah:
I’d explain it, but you wouldn’t get it, or you would dismiss it because you can’t comprehend it.
Humor me.
You originally wrote:
Whiskey says, “She might fantasize about an Alpha, but none would WANT her (for anything other than a one night stand). A guy her age can pull in a girl age 30 or even younger no problem, so why would he want an older cougar?”
When you know the answer to that question, you’ll understand what it is to be Alpha.
Please explain how an alpha, a man with options, would willingly choose someone older than himself.
Do so without conflating settling with alphahood.
Bonus points if you can do so without nebulous references to “sheeple” and “media beauty.”
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“I would kindly suggest you checkout Roissy’s (& for that matter Sailer’s) analysis of Palin.”
That’s like kindly suggesting a lobotomy. Roissy has made it clear that he only values traits that get him laid, which means he’s going to go for splashy and self-serving explanations for the state of the world, rather than explanations with predictive power.
“The major reason for the outpouring of sheer Id-based vitriol against her was because of her overt Fecundity.”
My Mom is smart, Christian, bore children, and specialized in household labor. I therefore don’t have any bias against religious traits or fecundity per se. My (and Mom’s) problem with Palin was simple: She wasn’t smart and she didn’t know what she was doing. She was just hype; all sizzle, no steak.
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Keith,
One could just as easily make the very same argument wrt Obama himself, in fact, when comparing the actual service/track records of Palin/Obama, the former has actually gotten more done.
I think Roissy/Sailer’s observations are legitimate to the extent that they seek to examine motives that aren’t openly expressed.
But we can agree to disagree without, in the words of the American Saint Martin Luther King himself, “being disagreeable”.
The Obsidian
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Haven’t you guys heard that the so called “organic” foods are the most toxic/carcinogenic ones? It’s because naturally resistant plant specimens are selected as the sort to grow (so they don’t have to spray them with pesticides). Why are they naturally resistant? Because they’re fucking poisonous and insects avoid them.
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Men don’t really age much better than women, though their thicker skin tends to protect them from early wrinkling more effectively. And yes, looks count somewhat less to women than men – but still, past a certain age, younger and average man > older and handsome man, as far as most young women are concerned.
But the fact remains that more young women are attracted to older men as marriage partners than young men to older women. So if it isn’t either of these advantages that give older men an edge over older woman in the marriage market, what does? Simple. Fertility – I mean, fertility as distinct from the implications it has for women’s and men’s looks. A 28-year-old man who marries a woman of 45, however youthful and beautiful, is denying himself the possibility of having biological children with his wife. A 23-year-old woman who marries a man of 50 is not, and so society accepts this with less difficulty. But notice that if the man in such a relationship appears so old or frail that he is likely to be impotent, then social distaste for the union increases greatly.
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Palin is beautiful, conservative, prole, and mother of five.
She offends ugly/lonely/older women (i.e, cougars), she offends liberal women that are non-cougars (think about the chick that was pregnant and painted Obama’s O in her belly in a post about the election), she offends elitists in both parties and she offends childless liberals (which include cougars, married liberals and the proverbial 40 year old virgin brainwashed by feminism). Talkabout a divisive figure. She exposes simply by breathing the emptiness of the liberal creed.
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Tupac says, “Please explain how an alpha, a man with options, would willingly choose someone older than himself. ”
You asked for it. Just be aware from jump that you are not going to like the answer. This same answer was given to me by four different men, so it’s not really my answer. Mine would be alot more complicated and probably friendlier.
“Do so without conflating settling with alphahood.”
Done.
“Bonus points if you can do so without nebulous references to “sheeple” and “media beauty.””
Okay, but you’re still not going to like it.
Here goes…
The answer is: because he can.
Because he can gain and maintain a full erection with someone older than himself, younger than himself, while looking at a painting of a beautiful landscape, while in a meditative state, with a 60 year old hot granny, with a flat chested 13 year old Japanese schoolgirl, with a transexual or just rather pretty boy, or while gently shaving his sub’s nether regions with a straight razor, he does.
Because he can see beauty where “normal” people don’t, he does.
Because he can be who he is and still date whoever the hell he wants, and either maintain or create his own status, he does.
He would and does do all these things because he can.
If you can’t then that’s your problem, not his.
My protege’s perspective in this is probably the most relevent about older women specifically. He has a fetish and doesn’t see the point in not pursuing what pleases him just because it wouldn’t please you (or anyone else).
Another friend of mine from Brazil wasn’t so kind in his answer. He says only a Gay would ask a question like that.
He compared you to one of those guys who stares at other guys’ dicks in the bathroom…looking to see what everyone else has and pissing on your own shoe.
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Because he can gain and maintain a full erection with someone older than himself, younger than himself, while looking at a painting of a beautiful landscape, while in a meditative state, with a 60 year old hot granny, with a flat chested 13 year old Japanese schoolgirl, with a transexual or just rather pretty boy, or while gently shaving his sub’s nether regions with a straight razor, he does.
I found part of that sentence very disturbing.
You all know what part.
Peter
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Sometimes we miss the obvious because it’s so obvious.
One of the reasons the hype over older woman and younger men started was because of of Terry McMillan’s best-selling, semi-autobiographical novel “How Stella Got Her Groove Back,” which was later made into a big hit movie.
In real life (as in the book), the 40-something McMillan had met a younger guy abroad, supposedly leading to romantic bliss.
Does everyone know how the real life story ended?
The younger guy turned out to be gay. He apparently used McMillan to gain entry to the United States. The pair of them were on Oprah, where the audience, Oprah and McMillan then engaged wild eyed in gay/male bashing. I felt bad for the guy — he was clearly gay and conflicted.
Anyway, the moral here is that the older woman younger man thing was clearly not a working reality in terms of a long term relationship.
People remember the movie, but tend to forget the ugly reality behind what led to it. I think McMillan tried to sue the guy as well, even though she was a millionaire and he was penniless. A lesson there.
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“Palin is beautiful..”
Only by politian standards.
I for one am an independent and I just wanted a person in the second seat to be more articulate than Bush. Or is that too much to ask for such an important role?
Have you ever read a transcript of an interview with her? Migraine inducing.
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“Anon said the older guy grossed her out but she slept with him because he had money. Point made. As usual she’s clueless about men (like most women, who lack any clue because as the pursued they don’t have to have one). Men don’t aspire to be either Celebrity in Chief like Obama or a movie star like Newman (good looks are genetic not achievable). They want power, leadership, male patronage, and success. Mike Ditka, Bill Cowher, or Peyton Manning come to mind. Only a woman would think a man would find Obama, a Brad Pitt female-emotional type celebrity, worthy of emulation.”
There is only so much we can understand without having a penis. Just like I have yet to meet a man who has women all figured out.
And like women supposedly start nitpicking other women because we are “jealous” – you are criticizing Obama and Pitt in the same vein.
I could talk all day about “perfect” women no biggie. For instance: most women don’t hold a candle to Megan Fox…
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“Women under 40 in today’s world usually believe they are still A-list, thanks to TV and horn-dogs who aren’t picky. In their 40’s they are in denial, at 50 they start trying to revalidate themselves physically if they haven’t reached menopause yet. All that and her hair looks thin, might be the estrogen drying up.”
What the f**k is it to you how confident a woman is? Why is this something that inspires so much hate in some of you men that you feel the need to build a whole gd website on the topic?
Us women “hate” poor men, short men etc. but you don’t see websites devoted to these facts do you?
Roissy tells men to have “irrational confidence” but when an unattractive woman has the “nerve” to hit on him he gets mad and comes here to rant about how she doesn’t “know her role.”
I just don’t understand this. Where are the men that have class?
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“The younger guy turned out to be gay. He apparently used McMillan to gain entry to the United States. The pair of them were on Oprah, where the audience, Oprah and McMillan then engaged wild eyed in gay/male bashing. I felt bad for the guy — he was clearly gay and conflicted.
Anyway, the moral here is that the older woman younger man thing was clearly not a working reality in terms of a long term relationship. ”
Oh you mean the same way that young girls sleep with but yet are grossed out by older men?
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@Anon
Do you really hate poor men? Or do you just not want to marry them? There is a difference. =)
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“Do you really hate poor men? Or do you just not want to marry them? There is a difference. =)”
Bad choice of word I was being flippant. I don’t personally hate people for things like that.
There are goldiggers obviously that will never change, but some women like my sis has always had things for cops and firemen (who we all know aren’t makin’ the mad gs).
I’ve also known women who are hot for some guy to not give a gd what he made (to me just some dudes, nothing special about them and nothing wrong with the women either).
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“There are goldiggers obviously that will never change, but some women like my sis has always had things for cops and firemen (who we all know aren’t makin’ the mad gs).”
That is called a uniform fetish and it’s part of being lower class — or at least having a prole mentality. You see this amongst women with poor breeding — the need to have a big strong “military man” type around, probably as security because in poorer areas women need to be protected from thugs more.
The male version of this is breast fetish — no matter how fat the women. Lower class men never get over the mommy fetish because they’re intellectually stunted and somewhat threatened by strong women (which legs represent — and long legs are a sign of good breeding).
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“The male version of this is breast fetish — no matter how fat the women. Lower class men never get over the mommy fetish because they’re intellectually stunted and somewhat threatened by strong women (which legs represent — and long legs are a sign of good breeding).”
I have repeated that fact before and no one believed me.
However, I for can’t stand bulky men or men in uniform. So how do you explain that?
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“However, I for can’t stand bulky men or men in uniform. So how do you explain that?”
Probably you have more of an intellectual bent than your sis and aspire to something else in life than her. Or it’s all genetic. Or both.
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Days said, “Anyway, the moral here is that the older woman younger man thing was clearly not a working reality in terms of a long term relationship.
People remember the movie, but tend to forget the ugly reality behind what led to it. I think McMillan tried to sue the guy as well, even though she was a millionaire and he was penniless. A lesson there.”
She was an idiot. Nature has no pity for the stupid, even if it is fun stupidity.
No woman in their right mind brings their foreign boyfriend back to the U.S. They stay their ass in the country they found them in for at least 10 years, unless bombs are falling on them regularly.
…and an ow/ym relationship may well not be a working reality for normal people.
You can’t however decide what is workable or not for exceptional people. They decide that for themselves.
An acquaintance of mine’s grandparents have a 20 year age gap. He’s now 70, and she’s now 90, and they are still very much in love.
No, it’s not normal, and it’s definitely not something I would recommend normal people do. It would just be nice if normal people would stop assuming that exceptional people should want to be the ideal of normal.
When an Alpha male is publically behaving like the ideal of normal, it is to make you feel better about yourselves, not to make him feel better about himself. What he is thinking is that you are hopeless dumbasses who need to be lead, and that his best chance of doing it is looking like what you want to be, and having what you want to have.
The beta blind spot is the view of the top from below it, being drastically different from the view from the top to around it.
Most people don’t like to hear that. I can’t say that I blame them. It’s probably something like when my family doctor told me at 17 that this was as tall as I’d ever be, and that I was not going to be a statuesque Amazon like my aunts.
That didn’t mean my life was over. So if what you want is a never ending chain of hot women you can easily replace when they “hit the wall” then go fo it. That’s one of the things that I like about game: that it enables guys to get what they want.
Just learn to be okay with guys getting what they want, and not what you think they should want.
Then again, not thought policing would probably take alot more will power than most betas have. It kind of serves you well to do it because conforming makes you happy…makes you feel loved and worthy.
Just accept that some people want to actually love and be loved, not just tolerated because they fulfil a grocery list of practical requirements.
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very true.
however, when those exceptional people decide to pound their square-peg asses into certain round holes of life – such as most conventional career paths – their situation often demands that they cast off their exceptionality, one bit at a time, not unlike the digits falling off the price tags on the old walmart commercials.
in fact, most “exceptional” people face a choice between being 100% exceptional and being ~0% exceptional.
having even one significant bit of real nonconformism in one’s life (as opposed to conformism qua nonconformism, as practiced by liberals and young people) will very often make all the “conventional” pieces of that life fall like a house of cards.
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J5, we’re talking about dating.
Why the hell should you care what someone else thinks of your girlfriend’s looks?
…and if you do have to care because it’s a matter of ethnicity or something (such as my Christian friend who was stabbed by his Muslim ex-girlfriend’s brother) in what way would it make you more “beta” in personality to date out?
The argument that these guys are trying to make is that it’s somehow un-Alpha to date women betas would reject for social or practical reasons.
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“An acquaintance of mine’s grandparents have a 20 year age gap. He’s now 70, and she’s now 90, and they are still very much in love.
No, it’s not normal, and it’s definitely not something I would recommend normal people do. It would just be nice if normal people would stop assuming that exceptional people should want to be the ideal of normal.
This is Malcolm Gladwell’s “outlier” theory that’s all the rage now. It’s crackpot thinking: if we promote social conditions modelled on outliers like your extremely attenuated grandparents’ acquaintances, then EVERYBODY can be a super-successful outlier! All the black men will be like Bill Cosby! Every gay couple will be like the ending to Torch Song Trilogy! Older women will be happily wed to hot, young bucks! (An outcome that, even if realized, would be a demographic time bomb).
Bullshit. Pure, grade-A, 100% bullshit.
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Wounded, this is exactly what I mean.
A few people do something different, and all of a sudden the sheep start bleating about how if there are wolves allowed to live out in the forest, then everybody in the pasture is going to be pressured to start eating meat.
Just live your life and do what’s in your nature to do, and let others do what’s their nature to do.
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kthulah,
Except the Left doesn’t just “let others do what’s their nature to do.” They look at the outlier couple, Demi Moore and Ashton Kucher, and tell women to postpone marriage and childbearing because hey, Demi Moore got herself a hot young buck so you can too!
In truth, very, very few women have the genetics and good breaks in life that Demi Moore has. Most of them lose their looks at a precipitious rate once they hit 30 so the message needs to be: marry and bear children early, because 99.9% of you AIN’T Demi Moore.
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Wounded, that would require finding a man worth marrying at a young age.
I was engaged twice before I met my first husband, and though by all accounts he was a good man, he got the itch and didn’t know if he wanted to be married anymore.
There are no guarantees in life. So I don’t fault anyone for trying to find what joy they can, while they can.
I wonder why you do.
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kthulah,
You need to respond to the argument. If you will read my post, you will see that I don’t fault anyone for trying to find what joy they can, while they can (God almighty–do you write Hallmark cards for a living?).
Rather, my criticism is on emotionally overwrought saps who look at statistical anomalies and don’t see them for what they are: anomalies.
IOW, you are unable to discern between outliers and the norm because you are under the delusion that everybody can be an outlier. So you counsel young women, let’s say, with some vapid fluff like try to find what joy you can while you can rather than taking note of the fact that they have a short time when their sexual attractiveness and fertility is at it’s peak and that’s when they have the best odds of landing a breeding partner. You can also take note of some other facts of biology and sociology and tell nubile young women to look for men around 10 years older.
More facts and logic. Less Oprah and NY Times.
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Wounded, what in what I said, gave you the impression that I believe that everyone can or should be “outliers”.
Quite the contrary, I wish the sheeple would stay in the pasture where they belong. One of the problems with so-called democracy today is that folks have jumped from idealizing the individualist to all trying to succeed at individualism.
While I do believe that each person is somewhat different and makes their own unique contribution to mankind, sometimes that contribution is and should remain at the level of buying the latest snake oil beauty serum or becoming a non abusive fat camp counselor.
…or inventing new gadgets to make it easier for my brother to keep his bitches enthralled and organized.
The point of all I was saying in a nutshell is just to remind you that there are outliers, and that some of them are your leaders and other people you look to and pay to tell you what to do, what to wear, how to be good citizens, and such.
As a rule, they fly your fighter jets, command your ships, man your nuclear submarines, and sit very very still in the elements and take out people your governments want eliminated.
They are the 1% of guys on any given battlefield who actually shoot to kill without any special training geared to increase the percentage. In a plane crash or other disaster, they’re the people with the presence of mind to do what needs to be done to survive if possible, and help others if they can. They’re the nurse who gets sent in to handle excrement explosions and other above bar grossness because she/he won’t flinch at it.
…and exceptional people like this do not look for “hot” in their partners unless they have a plausible fear of losing something they want to achieve their goals for it…and sometimes not even then.
I grew up with people like this. My friends, real friends, are all people like this.
So I’m not trying to recruit the herd. I’m just representing the potential predators. In my way I may even be reminding them that wolves don’t eat sheep unless there is nothing else available.
So don’t worry about the cougar thing. That’s just some independent thinkers up top throwing rocks into the pasture and laughing. You might want to notice that these older women promo trends always happen when they’re trying to pimp some female politicians.
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There is no substitute for youth (NSFY)… words to live by. Focus your energy on conquering Smoothies & Tenders and tell the cougar gazing at you to go pound salt. Cougars are what I call 10-2’s, as in you drag them out of a bar/pub/club at 10 minutes to 2:00am. Never before…
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A man ages more slowly than a woman in reproductive terms. A woman’s fertility plunges after 35, and is dead by 40-42.
A man’s fertility starts to gently decline by 40, and the long tail still lasts until 60 (although it is not advisable for a man to conceive a child after 45).
This is why a man’s looks are also considered to be longer lasting than a woman’s. Society will rationalize that crows feet and a bit of grey hair look sexy on a man, but make a woman look old. Legendary sex symbol characters like James Bond or Indiana Jones are depicted as being between the ages of 40 and 52. No female heroine (Lara Croft, Wonder Woman, etc.) is ever going to be older than 30-32.
So it is fertility driven (even if James Bond is not remotely considering actually fathering a child with Pussy Galore), and then society rationalizes grey hair, wrinkles, etc. as being neutral/favorable for men but catastrophic for women.
Height, however, matters more for men than for woman. All else being equal, a man above 6′ will pull a lot more than a man below 5’9″.
One caveat : If a man either loses hair or expands his waistline, his looks drop. As long as a man can maintain his hair (even if grey) and fitness until 45, he is fully competitive in appearance with a 25-year-old man. If he knows how to dress better, etc., he is actually ahead.
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Tammy the Hot Mommy…
… Tammy Hanks is a stay-at-home mom, she has two children, James (9) and Amy (6). Luckly James and Amy don’t know what happens at home once they go to school and daddy Joe goes to work at the clinic. Mommy Tammy starts her other day-time job, she su…
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[…] in a shocking… shocking, I say!… discovery, older women are bad for a man’s health. The study at Germany’s Max Planck Institute also […]
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So this is what I have to look forward too?
A delusional world filled with idiotic, narcissistic, egotistical, irresponsible, imature, chauvanistic, adavistic, imbecile MEN who don’t understand anything of what the hell they’re carrying on about?
Hey, idiots….go get some depends for the epidemic of explosive diarrhea spewing out of your fat pie holes of which you pathetically consider “wisdom”…
meanwhile…I’ll go and train myself to be a lesbian.
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There is nothing in life to look forward too anon. Remember that not even as a lesbian.
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Yeah? Nothing to look forward to in life?
well then why don’t you all just kill yourselves instead of whining about the “perfect” image of a woman?
The world might be a better place.
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[…] answer: No. Mother Nature is a cruel and unforgiving […]
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Clearly at LEAST in her mid-40s. And very easily over 50. As was pointed out, she has body wrinkles and belly sag. And you can bet the parts she purposely cut out (face & legs) are even much, much worse…
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No red-blooded man with options would pick a cougar over a kitty, given the choice. Especially a cougar MILF – who the hell wants bad boy leftovers?
Although, many would pick a desperate cougar over Rosy Palm for the night, if that was their only choice.
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