The number of women in DC who are in their late 20s to early 30s and still flaking as if they were hot college coeds has reached critical mass. When I call a 29 year old woman’s number to set up a date, the last thing I expect to encounter is flaking or playing hard-to-get. It’s such a massive turn-off that I demote a deluded woman like that immediately. If I get her into bed, I fuck her a few times, hard and angry, just enough to get her addicted to my manloaf, and never call again. Ladies past their peak, here’s some helpful advice from a representative of the Ministry of Stone Cold Truth: If you are a woman over the age of 27, do not fool yourself that you possess the market leverage to:
- not answer the phone by the third ring or deliberately let a man’s call go to voicemail.
- not return a phone call within an hour.
- cancel a date later than five hours before the scheduled meeting time.
- flake in any manner whatsoever.
Because you don’t have that power anymore over men who matter. Guys like me are less forgiving of gameplaying from women who no longer have the grade A goods to get away with it, so your best bet is sincerity, straightforwardness and good faith. Annoyingly capricious female behavior is the prerogative of girls in their prime. You, over-27 woman, must adjust accordingly. That means either putting aside the notion that you can flake without consequence, or dropping your standards and dating needy betas who will gladly lap up your shit and beg for more.
In my life, I’ve noticed a change for the worse. More women, and older women, are acting flaky. Such a cultural deterioration can only happen for one reason — massive, all-encompassing betatization. The sack-shriveling epoch is at its watershed. So-called “men” have abdicated their duty to punish women for their flaky behavior. The verdict is in: The entitlement complex of American women is out of control. It is time to put an end to it. Because I am a humble humanitarian of stupendously magnanimous good will, I present my five point battleplan for bringing the egos of American women back into line:
- Be a cad. When a hot girl passes by, casually mention out loud in the company of your date/GF that the girl is beautiful. Do this a couple times and she will wonder “Does he think I’m as cute as her? Will he leave me for someone like her?” Then, step it up a notch. Add unpredictability to your ego-taming strategy. For every hot chick whose beauty you announce, wait for an ugly girl to walk by and mention how hot she is. This will fuck with your girl’s head like nothing else. Now she’ll wonder “Wow, if he thinks that toad is hot, what does that say about me? What *does* he like??”
- Cancel dates. This is an amazingly effective technique for shifting the balance of power in the man’s favor for the simple reason that so few men do it. What could squash cancerous female ego growth faster, and imbue you with the alluring underworld glow of alpha devilry, than bugging out on a first date? Don’t give a reason. Just say something came up, and you’ll call her later. Leave a heavy air of mystery hanging between you two. Relish the thought of her tossing and turning in bed at night wondering if you found a woman with bigger boobs. After all, what is seduction in essence but the co-opting of a woman’s tools of the trade to use against her? Bonus: Cancelling dates is a huge power rush.
- Extol the virtues of European women. Be subtle, of course, but be sure your message, true or not, is taken to heart. When talking about your travels, mention how the Europeans “just do things differently over there. Dating is not the chore it so often seems it is here. It’s so refreshing the way European men and women naturally gravitate to one another. No head games at all. To European women, romance is playful and fun.” Then mention how your business takes you to Europe frequently.
- Assume the flake. When you meet an American Coastal City girl for the first time, and you are about to number close or otherwise set up a date, prevent any future flakiness by shaming her to behave the way you want. Say: “If you’re gonna be one of those flaky girls, tell me now so I can delete your number. Nobody likes those types.” Naturally, your challenge will have done its job and she will defend her honor. You’ve established boundaries of acceptable behavior that she’ll be less inclined to violate.
- Don’t answer her calls. When you see her number light up on your caller ID, let it go to voicemail. Wait five minutes, then call back. Act nonchalant. She will wonder why you didn’t pick up right away. It’s a small detail that helps reframe the interaction to one where she is chasing you.
Godspeed, you nascent alphas, you smashers of overblown American women egos. The pendulum swings back now.
Perhaps the girls are on the phone when you call
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“In my life, I’ve noticed a change for the worse”
So have I, in just about every area possible. Ok, two exceptions: beer is better than it was in 1978, and it’s easier to find good Indian food now. Other than that…
Tschafer
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God, what a whiny post. While I do agree that you should avoid canceling a date at the last minute, the other points make it sound like a woman should be sitting around, twiddling her thumbs waiting for a call from a man, any man. God forbid if she’s working, or busy, or put her phone on vibrate, or is taking in a movie. I think the sense of entitlement seems to be on the man that expects instant satisfacton, not the woman in this case.
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Roissy says, “Guys like me”
Full stop.
Women my age are not supposed to be making dates with guys like you, much less flaking.
Not that you’re Satan incarnate or anything, but I seriously doubt that anyone who encounters you *doesn’t* know what you’re a player. You’re the male version of a slut, and you’re overly picky about looks to boot.
If it even got that far, the sight of your only half hard erection would elicit a, “Wow…well…maybe you drank a little too much tonight. Shall we watch a movie instead?”
Granted, that’s never happened to me, but because I’ve never been “hot”, it’s an eventuality for which I am fully prepared with a chess board.
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Never underestimate the power of making a flake pay for your next date:
“I’m sorry, I can’t do X tonight. Can we do it another night?”
“Same time tomorrow night. And, to make up for flaking, you’re taking me out.”
“But I’m not flaking! I really have to do X.”
“I repeat: Same time tomorrow night. And, to make up for flaking, you’re taking me out.”
“But I can’t make it tomorrow either!”
“It’s tomorrow night or nothing. I’m busy.” (or just be silent).
“Fine, ok, sorry.”
On 2 different women, this has worked. Knocks the flakiness right out of them since now they can’t be the flighty little girl with the daddy-man paying for her and pampering her; now she’s responsible on the date for making you happy. She’ll feel guilty enough to go home with you that night —or, to say ti better, guilty enough to drop the pretense of being a good girl and making you wait it out.
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Perhaps the girls are on the phone when you call
9 times out of 10, she’s not.
Not that you’re Satan incarnate or anything,
your first mistake.
but I seriously doubt that anyone who encounters you *doesn’t* know what you’re a player.
you have no understanding.
You’re the male version of a slut,
all men are sluts. but only a few are able to act on it.
and you’re overly picky about looks to boot.
all men are picky. but only a few are able to choose freely.
If it even got that far, the sight of your only half hard erection would elicit a, “Wow…well…
you’re so ugly i doubt any man who wasn’t a completely desperate loser and hopped up on industrial strength viagra could chub out looking at you.
Granted, that’s never happened to me, but because I’ve never been “hot”, it’s an eventuality for which I am fully prepared with a chess board.
you look like you got hit in the face with a chess board.
btw, i predict the female readers will hate on this post. that means what i have written works.
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The reason girls are so flaky today is because they do not get married or have children at the same rates and early ages as they once did.
Women learn responsibility through family. Flakiness is a sign of a girl who expects others to take care of her. A 29 year old flake is merely a daddy’s girl who’s never been outside the SWPL cocoon.
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I don’t get all the focus on a woman’s age. I’m not disagreeing that women become less attractive as they age but you seem to be using the age as a direct proxy for beauty when the two are only correlated.
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“I seriously doubt that anyone who encounters you *doesn’t* know what you’re a player. You’re the male version of a slut, and you’re overly picky about looks to boot”
WOmen are attracted by men who banged many women. Men are repelled, at least concerning LTR, by women with many sexual partners. Or, more simply, men avoid assuming compromise with sluts. Sluttiness, as it is defined for women, is not defined for men. The genders are different girl. Much more than you think
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Tell ’em, Roissy!
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“I don’t get all the focus on a woman’s age”
You don’t. But women themselves do, even if they scream like this ktulah here when this is said openly. ALso, men who can, do focus on the women’s age.
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After all, what is seduction in essence but the co-opting of a woman’s tools of the trade to use against her?
So true.
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1 through 4 also works if you are in a relationship. Also drinking heavily and acting unpredictably on occasion helps too.
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“I’m not disagreeing that women become less attractive as they age but you seem to be using the age as a direct proxy for beauty when the two are only correlated.”
“Only correlated?” Yeah, no shit!
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There are two types of flakes. There are girls that aren’t really into you, so they flake, and there are girls that are really hot, so they flake.
I’ve dated a few models, and they flake like 1/3rd of the time. Waitresses do too a fair amount. Flight attendants, not so much. Actresses, not enough data yet, but all bets are on Flake.
Even the pre-flake warning doesn’t work with models.
If she’s a pretty flake, you either have to resign yourself to the fact that she’ll flake a lot, or not date her. You have to double your game and asshole factor with these types.
Best advice conversation:
HotFlake: “so, I like totally double-booked tonite, and I have to go see my friend from outta town, tee hee”
El Chief: “k”
HF: “but we can hang out tomorrow”
El Chief “Busy tomoro, but let’s try next week”
HF: “ok, byeeee! lollerz! omg”
Then do not call or text her. She has to call or text you. If she doesn’t, then good riddance, if she does, then make plans as soon as possible – to minimize risk of flakage, and give her a good hate fuck.
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Roissy, I’d love to see a post on Gym Game, ie how to game chicks at the gym.
I had a decent opener with one super hot chick, who was always at the gym, and tres fit. “Are you training for something, or just staying fit?” We talked for a while, but the game was weak with me that day.
It was funny, I overheard her use that exact same line on some dude the next day!
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This isn’t just a problem among your average silly, materialistic urban women. Older (30+) conservative girls tend to think way too well of themselves also. _Especially_ if they have saved themselves for marriage. As Roger Devlin has noted, their attitude seems to be something like, “I’m not going to sleep with just _anybody_.”
If a pretty conservative girl hasn’t gotten married by 30, it is either because of 2 things:
1. She hasn’t got out much. Maybe she has always gone to a small church and works in a largely female office. There are some hidden gems here. One of my close buddies in Vancouver has an almost identical story to the one here. He is about to marry a fantastic 32 year girl from England, who had worked in media, didn’t like to date her non-churchgoing co-workers and had only attended really small churches in London.
2. She has waaaaay to high standards. Beware. Beware. Beware. There are lots of these. If she has been attending a large church for a while and still hasn’t met anyone, this is a bad, bad sign. Not that there isn’t usually something of a basis for their high opinion of themselves. They are often smart, pretty, good company. Nice people. But really, my dears, you’re over 30, you’re not _that_ special, and you’re not getting any younger.
I never would have thought this before, but it is way easier to go out and get a 9 back to your place for an epic make out, or, if you wish, sex, than it is to get into a relationship with a nice 30 year old 7 or 8 that you meet at church. And, yes, I speak from personal experience here. Damn discouraging. It makes want to give up and start banging all those 9s.
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agreed. lots of women only flake because they know they can get away with it. but these women are not worth your time.
i’m not sure if lessons will teach them to actually change. that being said, it’s worth a shot.
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Roissy, I’d love to see a post on Gym Game, ie how to game chicks at the gym.
I had a decent opener with one super hot chick, who was always at the gym, and tres fit. “Are you training for something, or just staying fit?” We talked for a while, but the game was weak with me that day.
It was funny, I overheard her use that exact same line on some dude the next day!
For what it’s worth, I got to a large gym, one of the biggest in the area, and have been going at least 5X per week since 2003. In all that time I’ve very seldom seen any men hitting on women. No, I can’t say that it’s never happened, but I really haven’t noticed it, and probably would notice it if it were happening.
My opinion is that Gym Game just doesn’t happen too often.
Peter
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Godspeed, you nascent alphas, you smashers of overblown American women egos. The pendulum swings back now.
this move along with roosh’s cockblocking destroyer have potential to be real ‘game-changers’. you’re right. female behavior has gotten out of hand; because so many not only allow it, but come back for more.
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In my experience, it’s easier to meet and get to know members in smaller neighborhood gyms, as opposed to your run-of-the-mill YMCAs and Bally’s.
Regardless of gym size, always start by flirting with the receptionists.
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“Roissy, I’d love to see a post on Gym Game, ie how to game chicks at the gym. ”
El Chief: I’ve never tried Gym game, for the same reason I have tried not to pick up women at work (aka, never shit where you eat). One of my fun observations has been the douches who go to the gym with makeup on always make cow eyes at you from behind the leg-squeezy machine. It’s worse with belly shirts, or women who actually show cleavage; make eye contact with one of those, and she’ll chase you all over the damn gym, trying to get a whiff of your testosterone or whatever. The more aggressive ones will actually try to steal your weights or ask you for a spot (perfect excuse for talking).
Gym game has a lot to recommend it if you’re low key about it and restrain yourself to the ones who are making cow eyes at you anyway. Social proof is easy if you’re at all outgoing (a decent fraction of my gym gives me the “Noooorm” treatment when I show). Plus, there will be no confusing you with fashion in the gym: fat women will look fat, and fit women will look fit. If you spend any time there, you should look pretty good, and most dudes who go to the gym are such posturing douchebags, if you’re at all self composed, you’ll stand out like a wart on a bald head, even if you’re not the hugest monkey in the room. Douchebag behavior: hollering like a porno film while doing a set of curls or bench presses, or standing in the mirror and posing like Aaarnold. Non-douchebag behavior; picking up 500 lbs without making too much of a racket. Most women are staring at your hiney anyway rather than your chesticles.
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Cider House Rules? I like the Rush references better. Better yet, throw in some Yes references.
Yes = Most Alpha band of all time.
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Gym Douchebag behavior:
– Ipods that are louder than the P.A. system music
– Not covering your disgusting sausage in the sauna
– loud gum chewing (who the hell chews gum while lifting weights!)
– Guys wearing loose short-shorts on the ab bench. Dude, it’s not 1974!
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“Non-douchebag behavior; picking up 500 lbs without making too much of a racket.”
At 500 lbs. you’re entitled to a bit of a racket. Nothing better for social proof either (the weight, that is).
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My ultimate alpha male= William Shatner.
Dude’s short, Jewish, Canadian, and a hella bad actor. But I can bet no woman ever flaked on him. He’s fucking Captain Kirk/T.J. Hooker/Rescue 911 guy/ Priceline Negotiator/Denny Crane!
” Denny Crane. Not guilty. Not gay.”
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Wow, it sounds like you got blown off this weekend by several potential dating prospects. Don’t deal well with rejection much?
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Roissy’s focus on age is totally understandable. I assume Roissy and I are relatively the smae age, and back when we were young, a 30-year-old woman meant someone with some levity, some thoughtfulness, and some panache. Older American women years ago were almost like European women. Smoldering sensuality. I remember those days!
I should know; I made practically a career of older women between ages 18-24. (It was a fetish; call me Beta, I don’t care.)
There days, no one grows up, and seeing 30-year-old women act like flighty 16-year-olds is as repulsive for men as it is when women have to put up with guys who are 30 who still act like frat boys.
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Roissy hasn’t considered that this instance of flaking could be because the woman was not particularly attracted to him at that time.
But at any rate, flaking is terrible behavior. If someone behaved that way in their job, they would be fired quickly.
On the points :
3) Why just European women? Extol the (different) virtues of Asian women as well. Hit the American woman from both ends.
I would also add :
6) Since flaky girls are lefty in a poltical sense, keep telling them how Islam is a great religion. She will initially agree out of hatred for George W. Bush, but you can move the conservation towards how women are ‘kept under control’ in Islam, and how the women are happier as a result. That will really mess with her head. Most liberal chicks still havent put 2 and 2 together that being a feminist and sympathizing with Islam are wholly incompatible.
This is a great way to mess with her head.
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The general problem is that the older the people you date the more you are getting leftovers. The good ones go fast. This goes for anywhere you look.
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My ultimate alpha male= William Shatner
Naah. When his wife was drowning in a swimming pool he freaked out like a little girl and let her die. Police looked into the possibility of foul play, but concluded that it was just a case of a celebrity who was utterly helpless without a platoon of assistants doing everything for him.
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Roissy kvetched, “you’re so ugly i doubt any man who wasn’t a completely desperate loser and hopped up on industrial strength viagra could chub out looking at you.”
Your opinion of my looks, you’re welcome to, but please don’t try to speak for men you don’t know.
They are all out of your league.
“‘Granted, that’s never happened to me, but because I’ve never been “hot”, it’s an eventuality for which I am fully prepared with a chess board.’
you look like you got hit in the face with a chess board.”
You wish you had the balls to do that…or even say that to my face, little one.
“btw, i predict the female readers will hate on this post. that means what i have written works.”
Well, if you weren’t too busy being a frightened little bitch that someone called you out on the oxymoron, you’d note that I wasn’t hating on the post. I was hating on women who have so little self respect as to be trying to have sex with a guy who can’t even manage a full erection.
When you encounter these aged flakes, they don’t know that you could have gotten it up for them if they were 10+ years younger. They just see Mr. Softy dangling there.
This is called being too desperate or being too nice.
Sorry, but if the guy isn’t up for it, nothing is going to happen.
Is it even physically possible to really penetrate someone with a mud pud?
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“…the other points make it sound like a woman should be sitting around, twiddling her thumbs waiting for a call from a man, any man. God forbid if she’s working, or busy, or put her phone on vibrate, or is taking in a movie. I think the sense of entitlement seems to be on the man that expects instant satisfacton, not the woman in this case.”
yeh, uh, in the DC-new york corridor there are 10000s of single women to every single man. unless you are an 8-10, you are as replaceable as batteries.
go flake, ignore the guys who are TRYING to woo you, play girly games–oh, and…have fun dressing up your dogs and cats at 40!
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Why is Cthulhu defending flaking?
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It’s called dating, not hating.
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“3) Why just European women? Extol the (different) virtues of Asian women as well. Hit the American woman from both ends. ”
I’ve done this and it really does change the dynamic with a woman here. You don’t really have to exaggerate much on this, because in most of the Chinese cities there are literally millions of single Chinese women, most of them smart, none of them fat, and they don’t have as many stuck-up head cases. Just show them pictures of over there.
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Tood, if you ever tried to get into a dry pussy, well…I suppose that trying to do it with a guy who can’t get it up would be somewhat the same.
“Dicking the dog” as we used to call it in the Navy…a useless or pointless endeavor.
A woman shouldn’t flake out if she senses a guy might not be fully present in the moment. She should just decline to exchange contact information. However, since some women have trouble just saying no directly, because they don’t want to be mean, or fear reprisals, they take the guy’s number and don’t call, or don’t answer his calls.
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Man the flake is getting real hardcore here in DC….
True story, I got this girls phone number and she told me she’d be too busy for the next year…. wait what?
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apparently there is already a word for Alpha Game, and that word is Surgency:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgency
while I’m at it, the feeling of being in love is called Limerance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerance
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“The reason girls are so flaky today is because they do not get married or have children at the same rates and early ages as they once did.
Women learn responsibility through family. Flakiness is a sign of a girl who expects others to take care of her. A 29 year old flake is merely a daddy’s girl who’s never been outside the SWPL cocoon.”
A woman isn’t going to treat you right if the most important man in their life when they were growing up is someone they see once or twice a month, who hands over a check to cover their expenses, who is badmouthed by their mother, and who has no authority to discipline them.
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funny old white people; my obese boss lady also misuses the term “bugging out” in this way. Did it have a different meaning in their day or something?
btw this post is some kindergarten shit LoL you people deserve each other
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“There are two types of flakes. There are girls that aren’t really into you, so they flake, and there are girls that are really hot, so they flake.”
Obviously women play games just as much as men. There are women who are actually interested, but try to pull off solutions number 2 and 5 that roissy is advocating. I’ve had girls who were interested in me actually tell me later on in the relationship that they didn’t answer calls on purpose to not seem too needy.
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Virgle, if a young pretty girl does it that way, then it’s the Rapo game. She was looking for a victim, and you volunteered.
If an older or “off grid” woman does it, then it’s because she knows or just senses that you’re just looking for any hole to dump sperm in, but she wasn’t butch enough to tell you to sod off from the jump.
As someone mentioned before, in the DC area, there aren’t so many available men to go around, and well…easy prey makes for weaker predators. It’s harder to cover up one’s lack of enthusiasm when faced with a woman who isn’t really up to your standards.
So my suggestion is that if the woman you’re talking to isn’t good enough for you, go find someone who is.
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JerrDogg, How long can that last? China’s got way more young men than young women, and a lot of the women go to American colleges. (Not a lot in relative terms, but enough that the feminist ideas can spread.)
I hope for the sake of younger people that the feminists don’t screw up the world with some of their more extreme ideas.
Roissy’s more extreme than I would, or could be. Hey, I’m married, happy, and too over the hill for this advice. But insofar as he is demanding to be treated with respect, he’s right.
It appears like “I’ll call” is now the third biggest lie.
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“My opinion is that Gym Game just doesn’t happen too often.”
I agree. The gym is such an obvious place for a guy to pick up women that women tend to be repelled by guys who flirt with them in their vulnerable state. Most people, aside from young males and decent-looking cougars, treat the gym like their own personal sanctuary. They aren’t on the prowl. They throw in their earbuds and zone out. Any encroachment on that sanctuary is usually a nuisance. Granted, there are instances of successful gym game, but I think that considering the close quarters and revealing dress of the patrons of the gym, there are fewer hook-ups than one would expect. Personally, I rarely observe people hitting it off at the gym.
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MarkD said: “I hope for the sake of younger people that the feminists don’t screw up the world with some of their more extreme ideas.”
I think you’re about three decades late on that one. But nice sentiment!
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You forgot rule # 7
Dont date above 27.
That solves 97% of issues.
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– Not covering your disgusting sausage in the sauna
Americans!
Only pussies can’t stand the sight of limp dicks.
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hugeroundhead:
Your opinion of my looks, you’re welcome to, but please don’t try to speak for men you don’t know.
They are all out of your league.
i don’t swing that way tard.
You wish you had the balls to do that…or even say that to my face, little one.
hey dumbass, noting your chess-board-to-the-face ugly looks is not the same as wanting to hit you with a chess board myself.
I was hating on women who have so little self respect as to be trying to have sex with a guy who can’t even manage a full erection.
what the fuck does this have to do with what i wrote in my post?
right. nothing.
When you encounter these aged flakes, they don’t know that you could have gotten it up for them if they were 10+ years younger.
you are so fucking stupid reading your words gives me a migraine.
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“Americans!
Only pussies can’t stand the sight of limp dicks.”
Why not keep that shit covered? It requires no effort…
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Roissy gasped, “i don’t swing that way tard.”
Then stop talking about their penises.
“hey dumbass, noting your chess-board-to-the-face ugly looks is not the same as wanting to hit you with a chess board myself.”
You still wouldn’t have the balls to say it to my face.
…and no, I wouldn’t hit you myself. I’d just look hurt, and let one of the guys whose cocks you think about so much, show you the door.
“what the fuck does this have to do with what i wrote in my post?”
It has something to do with something you said in another post about how you are incapable of getting a full erection for some (esp. older or moderately “fat”) women.
I’m not knocking your tastes, just wondering why you’d be upset that someone you consider unworthy of a full erection, flaked out on you.
The whole post is about how women who are not up to your standard, shouldn’t blow off your attention. Why would you even be giving these women your attention, if you think they’re sub par?
How do you even get as far as getting their number or giving them yours at all?
Are you proposing that women have sympathy for guys who can’t get it up for them, and think they’re ugly?
“you are so fucking stupid reading your words gives me a migraine.”
So how do you figure they’re supposed to know that you’re not half flaccid with every girl?
Dude…just don’t shag women you don’t think are pretty. It’s that simple.
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grossness:
Virgle, if a young pretty girl does it that way, then it’s the Rapo game. She was looking for a victim, and you volunteered.
please, stop, you’re killing me.
As someone mentioned before, in the DC area, there aren’t so many available men to go around
this is a myth.
adjusted for age, there are more dateable women in DC than men.
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kthulah,
Please try and read more, talk less. Like I said, listen to your own advice. And try and get out of your mom’s basement, it isn’t healthy… You can always start your own website too.
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Taffy, you fail.
Roissy, you basically just repeated what I said.
Please, for your own sake, argue rationally with me or not at all. I am trying to be a little more vulgar so that you understand me better, but there’s only so much I can do if you insist on freaking out every time someone with a vagina posts.
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Roissy, while beating up on sara or some other member of the harpy brigade is kinda fun, why even waste breath on Nicole? She is incoherent and irrelevant. Sara and company at least advance their moronic theories with some degree of logical clarity, so their intellectual idiocies can be sliced and diced elegantly for our amusement. Debating Nicole is like using hand grenades to clear a fog and it just degenerates into insults.
BTW where are Clio and Hope? The only two female commenators who ever made any real contribution to the discussion here.
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disgusting alien creature:
Then stop talking about their penises.
the only one i see talking about dick is you, desperateforcockgirl.
your ugliness is easy for all to see by your avatar. no reference to any loser men in your life required.
and, yes, odds are they are losers. no man with options would choose you as you represent the bottom 5% of female attractiveness.
[snip endless stupidity and tard lameness]
So how do you figure they’re supposed to know that you’re not half flaccid with every girl?
you write like a woman who has a lot of experience with flaccid men.
Dude…just don’t shag women you don’t think are pretty.
try reading for comprehension. nowhere did i write that the flaky women weren’t bangable.
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Thursday, please explain to me what is illogical about not trying to have sex with people one considers unattractive.
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The age range you’re talking about, they still have lots of guys buying their drinks and hanging on their every word.
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Roissy said, “the only one i see talking about dick is you, desperateforcockgirl.”
Then what is this about?
““you’re so ugly i doubt any man who wasn’t a completely desperate loser and hopped up on industrial strength viagra could chub out looking at you.”
Their chub…by cheeks?
Toes?
You forgetting what you type?
Lay off the meth.
“your ugliness is easy for all to see by your avatar.”
That is is…as is my beauty, however little of it there may be.
See, what’s bothering you is that you don’t get to decide for all of humanity what beauty or ugliness is.
I’ll tell you what is ugly to me though…and that is a man who envies a woman.
“no reference to any loser men in your life required.”
…and yet you went there anyway.
Such a bitch move.
I wish I could say I expected more.
“and, yes, odds are they are losers.”
Oh now it’s “odds are”…
” no man with options would choose you as you represent the bottom 5% of female attractiveness.”
Again, Roissy, you don’t get to decide that for anyone but yourself.
…but keep harping on it. I’m sure you’ll find a couple of sycophants and their sock puppets to agree with you.
It still takes not a cent from my bank account, and not a moment from my life or my wonderful memories with guys who are above pissing matches with women.
Butch up, son.
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While much of what Roissy has written in the post is true, his tone betrays a sense of frustrated rejection. He is not following his own advice.
Where is the amused mastery that is so important.
Everyone, even Mystery, goes into a Beta relapse from time to time.
But I am certainly all for reminding American women on the relative merits of European (sexually comfortable), Asian (agreeable, polite), Latina (hot, uninhibited), and Middle Eastern (worship men) women. Scare the crap out of them with fears of impeding global competition.
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Roissy, while beating up on sara or some other member of the harpy brigade is kinda fun, why even waste breath on Nicole? She is incoherent and irrelevant.
I never thought of Sara as a harpy, more a new age flake or a habitual contrarian. But even so, I’ve been finding her witty of late.
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“Flakiness is a sign of a girl who expects others to take care of her. A 29 year old flake is merely a daddy’s girl who’s never been outside the SWPL cocoon.”
Yes and the new administration will usher in a nanny-state clusterfuck that will render the whole nation stupid with infantilism. We’re doomed to deal with everyone flaking out and not taking ANY responsibility. First, they’ll take the women…
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“Yes and the new administration will usher in a nanny-state clusterfuck that will render the whole nation stupid with infantilism. We’re doomed to deal with everyone flaking out and not taking ANY responsibility. ”
So move to one of the booming economies of Asia. It is better you plan ahead now and do it at a time of your choosing, than doing it later when you are forced to.
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Are you sure flaking out on a woman doesn’t inspire the same kind of visceral anger you get in you? Give some rough figures on your field-tests of that kind of technique.
There’s a distinction that seems to become subtly more clearer with PUA: — long-term vs. short-term gaming: playing for a relationship vs playing for sex. We all know which one you aim at, it just strikes me that some of the stuff you say probably inspires only hate/sexual attraction long-term. Is it a case of thinking your hot versus. enjoying spending time with you? Is it a case of love versus sex in a woman’s psychology?
Hell if I understand myself properly, nevermind the endless permutations of other women.
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I don’t quite understand the SWPL reference that is frequently used.
What is the proper context for using the term SWPL? Is the implication that white women are sheltered?
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Women want to believe that somehow only women themselves think about aging. They really want to believe that it is something like menstruation or osteoporosis, a woman’s only problem
To jaakeli
Most of the human race live in places where there are no saunas. And I sincerely thank God for it. The sight of a naked man is disgusting.
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” My ultimate alpha male= William Shatner “
Shatner’s a douche. The characters he plays are another story.
I’m surprised that nobody seems to have seen gym game. I see a lot of attempt in my gym. Usually it’s some Borat type in a headband trying to talk to some chick on a treadmill who wants him to go away. Talking to a woman doing aerobics is always going to be retarded. Women who are that sweaty generally feel pretty knarley, so talking to them in that mental state is like talking to them when they’re on the toilet. Plus, like, they can’t talk so good when they’re running.
One of my gym pals does very well putting his hands all over the hot young girls in the weight room and stretching areas. He was on some kind of junior olympic team in the third world hellhole he came from, so he can play coach pretty well. “Here; let me show you how to do squats properly” (hands on butt, lower back and back of leg). I’m pretty sure some of them sit on his wizened old dong; the girls certainly seem to not mind his gratuitous and promiscuous gropings. I make sure to punch him in the arm like he’s a big kebab whenever he’s talking to the young chickens, because, what the hell; he’s a nice guy, and it’s good karma to spread the love. He’s not exactly a physically impressive specimen; losing his hair, greying, and even at his most fit, he had an ample beer gut. But he’s aggressive, treats it as a numbers game, and he’s pretty charming, so he wins where others fail.
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Lupo:
I agree, the reports on Shatner, at least all those pre-SNL “Get a Life!” skit where he seemed to finally relax about his legacy, portray him as a giant douche who alienates everyone. Still, for a giant douche, he seems to get hired a fuck lot of times and still is, nearly 50 years later, relevant in his career and refusing to play betas.
To me that says Alpha. It’s Shatner’s world, he just allowes us to worship him.
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MarkD,
“JerrDogg, How long can that last? China’s got way more young men than young women, and a lot of the women go to American colleges. (Not a lot in relative terms, but enough that the feminist ideas can spread.)
I hope for the sake of younger people that the feminists don’t screw up the world with some of their more extreme ideas.”
I see the wealthier areas of China, like Pudong, already have the western disease of man hate judging from the way the women dress there (more woman/woman status whore fashion and less man pleasing fashion).
Right now the gender ratio means little. I talked to a few of the women there about it and they essentially said that there are men but a “good man is very hard to find”. It’s sometimes hard to talk to them because I can’t speak Mandarin at all and many of the grammar concepts of verb tense and causality just have no translation at all in Chinese. Just one glance there shows you that it is pretty clear that the market for quality men is tilted in the quality man’s favor.
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“BTW where are Clio and Hope? The only two female commenators who ever made any real contribution to the discussion here.”
Hey, don’t forget paperdreamer. She wasn’t here long but actually contributed.
As painful as it is to say, sara has been pretty witty lately. If she only posts once or twice in a thread and doesn’t mention Osho, she’s not insufferable.
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MarkD,
One of the other things that’s different about Chineese women is there seems to be a very different idea of politeness. They’ll say to someone’s face that their babies will be ugly, etc… The other thing was I was working on some issues in one factory, then got some sun (what little sun pokes through the smog haze – you never see the sky in the summer) over the weekend, had to go back to that same factory a week later. One of the “hot” women that was aggressively hitting on me before asked me what was wrong with me this week. I eventually figured out that she was talking about my tan which she thought was a sign of illness. Then she scolded me for getting “ugly” and asked why on earth I would want to do that. She told me that I should never get a tan again.
Hey— was that a “NEG” hit from an alpha chick?
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I’ve learned that gym game requires planning and patience. First, you must chat up all of the trainers. Trainers usually teach all the classes which is very important. Get to know them, hang with them, consider even becoming a client of theirs. They are sources of very useful information as they are tapped into the gym’s grapevine and can provide info on targets. Once you’ve accomplished this, take classes cause that’s where the girls are. You would be an idiot to spit game at a girl on the treadmill with her ipod on full blast, and girls rarely lift weights. When they do, trust that a hundred men have tried clumsily so chances are she will have her bitch shield up. On the other hand, while waiting in front of a studio or in it prior to a class a girl’s guard is down. Knowing the instructor/trainer gives you a leg up giving you opportunites too numerous to list, especially if the trainer is hot. Hot female trainers are a gold mine as they are more open to talk in their search for clients and will proof you to other targets once you’ve built a rapport with her. Trainers will also open opportunities for you once you’re cool with them.
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I wouldn’t say Kthulah’s avatar puts her on the bottom 5% of attractive women.
But if you click on the link to her blog and observe the 3 photos of the landbeast, you agree with roissy – particularly the top left one.
PS Kthulah, your website sucks.
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RagTag, do you figure it makes you look more manly to engage in catfights?
You should take Thursday’s advice.
:: Jedi hand wave ::
“…hand grenades to clear a fog.”
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BTW where are Clio and Hope? The only two female commenators who ever made any real contribution to the discussion here.
Aw, man!
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Gym game is terrible. One thing, what happens as Gyms close in a lasting Depression? Usually discretionary spending is the first to go, so that’s one.
What’s Depression-era game? Where will people (women) be, in a mode to be approached, and in a way that does not require huge resource displays out the reach of most men?
I don’t see Gyms continuing on, too much like Starbucks.
Depression-era game? Libraries? Churches?
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In this age segment, Neurotic addiction to Sex and the City appears to be somewhat correlated with epic flakery.
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🙂
Your posts always make me smile way too much Roissy~
How dare those girls, huh? Who do they think they are? I mean…. dont they know who are you? 😀
*giggles, smiles*
You’re cute. I say: keep swinging at that pendelum, baby 🙂
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“In this age segment, Neurotic addiction to Sex and the City appears to be somewhat correlated with epic flakery.”
Seriously, what is the fascination with that show? I’m a woman and I’ve never gotten what all the fuss is about. They’re caricatures, broadly- and not particularly well-written, in a NYC as fictitious as the one inhabited by the broadly-and-rather-more-cleverly-written friends of Friends. Anyone who takes either show as any sort of pattern for living is a complete moron.
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“Anyone who takes either show as any sort of pattern for living is a complete moron”
So there is no shortage of morons
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One thing, what happens as Gyms close in a lasting Depression? Usually discretionary spending is the first to go, so that’s one.
Funny you should mention that. I was just talking with Mrs. PA and said that even if the economy hits hard and I lose my job (unlikely in my line of work, knock-knock) the gym stays. I just love it too much. I speak enough Spanish to get an evening job at Taco Bell to cover the dues if need be.
Of course, I happened to be taking off my shirt while stating my case about the virtues of the gym, which is probably why she agreed so enthusiastiucally.
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“Seriously, what is the fascination with that show? I’m a woman and I’ve never gotten what all the fuss is about. They’re caricatures, broadly- and not”
I think the appeal of the show to women is that they took Dee Snyder from Twisted Sister, renamed her Sara Jessica Parker, and turned the horsie into a household name that sells beauty products. Women must fantasize, “If they can do that to a horse, what could they do to a normal-looking chick like myself.” Though you have to salute SJP for overcoming her looks – just done a great job with her life considering she really got some nasty whacks from God’s ugly stick.
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Roissy is complaining that a lot of women have developed good taste in men and are rejecting him.
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i smile 2 much – despite the annoying background music your blog just made my day!
You seriously go on for half a page wondering about what to do in order to make sure the guy you fuck on the side “since being married” will not become too emotionally attached to you. You got problems. LOL.
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Sorry to get away from gym game and Sarah Jessica Parker’s eerie resemblance to Dee Snyder, but I want get back to Roissy’s point about extolling the virtues of European women as a way to bring the egos of American women back into line. I ended up in CEE years ago — I stuck around because of a job — and yes, I prefer the local women to their vaguely mannish sisters across the Atlantic. (One great thing about the region is that the countries are geographically tiny, so sampling the many rich meats of Eastern Europe’s vadge goulash is a matter of a 45-minute plane ride or a weekend’s road trip with your friends.)
And I’ve seen this push all the right buttons with women back home. What they have to say about the North American in Eastern Europe is depressingly predictable: he must be some sort of loser or misfit who couldn’t get laid in his own country, etc. etc. They know deep down, though, that their flip-flop-wearin’, Haagen-Dazs-gobblin’, ball-breakin’ ways are causing eligible dudes to grab their passports and flee for thinner, more feminine pastures. And they’re none too happy about it.
You can also see proof of this in the sourpuss attitudes of the few unlucky North American women around here. They whinge about sexism, as only postgraduate social-science degree holders can, and they tear the local women to shreds for being skanky and skinny. I suspect that most of their resentment stems from being pumped and dumped one too many times by unapologetic local guys who wouldn’t put up with them.
But to get back on topic — flaking — none of this translates into less flaking among Eastern European women. If anything, it’s worse over here. To be sure, the flaking stops earlier — I’d say women start freaking about the impending cratering of their market value sometime around the age of 25 (And I’ve never met an over-30 with a bad attitude like what Roissy’s reporting in DC.) But the capricious female behaviour of the under-25s would make your head spin. They show up late, break dates, toss out thinly-veiled references to the many suitors orbiting them, and so on. Much moreso than I ever saw at home. And I’ve got a theory about this: feminism as we know it never really took hold here, and chicks use this to get away with murder. I’m just a silly little girl, goes their thinking, so I can’t possibly be expected to be held to a higher standard. Girls here live in a world where beta-hood is frowned upon, and so they expect skilful handling from an alpha to keep their feminine whimsies in check. If anything, Eastern Europe requires more game than North America. But on balance, it’s much more rewarding.
Having said all that, I should confess that I have little experience with Western European women. Anybody here have anything to say about flaking tendencies in various countries there? I’m sure that Scandinavian women, who pee standing up, have little in common with, say, Spaniards, but something tells me it might be a bit less brutal across the board in countries that never endured a communist deep freeze.
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The problem with Roissy’s advice is that it should never be applied to the ~5% of women that could be considered LTR/marriage material–i.e. those women who would not employ childish game tricks with a man whom they genuinely like and would consider for a serious relationship. No matter how you slice it, women (of whatever age,) who resort to such non-subtle and basic game playing are not the brightest. I say this not because they fail to conform to your “rules,” but because deceitful behavior on either side is not the foundation for a lasting relationship between two intellectually equally matched partners. By uniformly expecting this behavior from women and acting preemptively, you run the risk of alienating the small minority who expect a man to be straightforward and who deal in the same manner themselves. To all the naysayers, I promise that such women really do exist, even young and hot ones. And if a man is *truly* alpha, we will know, and it will not be necessary to attempt and “protect” your status via offensive and ineffective mind games. As for the other 95%, by all means go for it.
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Still, for a giant douche, he seems to get hired a fuck lot of times and still is, nearly 50 years later, relevant in his career and refusing to play betas.
Well put. Why do guys like Ben Stiller and Jason Biggs allow themselves to be typecast into loser beta roles time after time? Is the money that important?
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“Anyone who takes either show as any sort of pattern for living is a complete moron.”
I’m sure that most ladies in that actual age range can watch it for laughs but read the ironic subtext of it as well. I’m not sure if some of the younger viewers at the time understood that.
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Gym game is terrible. One thing, what happens as Gyms close in a lasting Depression? Usually discretionary spending is the first to go, so that’s one.
What’s Depression-era game? Where will people (women) be, in a mode to be approached, and in a way that does not require huge resource displays out the reach of most men?
I don’t see Gyms continuing on, too much like Starbucks.
I don’t believe that many gyms closed during the early 1990’s recession. That was true even in Connecticut, where I lived at the time, a state that was hit very very hard by the “Great Recession.”
Of course this is no guarantee that gyms will weather the current economic troubles equally well. For one thing, there are a lot more gyms today, so the competition is greater.
Peter
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I’m sure that Scandinavian women, who pee standing up
Details please.
Peter
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11minutes – why was your blog suspended? Did someone report you?
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shark – I have no idea what happened. WordPress does not give notice about suspensions.
I have saved copies of all my posts as well as the comments they received, and they will be up again somewhere else soon.
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Stiller does it because he wants to be a romcom-type star sometimes, and they’re always beta. But he plays a good asshole when he needs to—see Dodgeball and his cameo in Anchorman (which I cannot believe got past the pc-censors).
Still, Tropic Thunder remains unforgiveable in my book. It’s a movie that was written for the late 80s/early 90s, when action movie sequels and Vietnam epics were made, and “Soul Man” was close enough in distant memory for Downey’s performance to have some funnier cultural relevance. And any movie that gives Jack Black a starring role deserves to burn in movie. hell.
Biggs does it because that’s all he has. Have you ever seen “Loser?” It’s practically a blue pring for omega-dom, wrapped up in the betafied dream/mommy saying that “eventually, the girls will realize how special you really are.”
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I sometimes employ these flaky tactics with men, but not men that I’m genuinely interested in. If I like a guy, I don’t play games. I treat him like I’d treat any friend who wants to go out – I’m clear and honest about my availability and interest, and I won’t cancel at the last minute unless there’s a really good reason. But these are men I feel have true interest in a relationship and not men who are after a casual one-nighter or a brief fling. If I get that sense, I will be flaky because I don’t respect the man trying to put me into a lower category and will give him the same consideration he gave to me.
I think perhaps a lot of the behavior you’re calling flaky is just women who aren’t that much interested and / or know that the man they’re dealing with may be a player or not genuinely interested in a long-term relationship with her. A quality woman will recognize quality and move forward with him without too many hassles or fuss. I would say a lot of the BS comes from knowing this guy just wants to make her a notch on the bedpost and / or is considering her less because of her age or looks, etc., and therefore expects her to be grateful for a date. A woman can probably sense that attitude and will accordingly give you the flack you put out there.
So for men out there…. *if you don’t want games, don’t play them yourselves… a woman with any level of confidence will pick up on your vibes and she will put out what you give. Especially if you’re judging her so harshly about her age.*
And in dealing with age, I don’t quite understand where the notion that a 30 plus woman has depreciated value. There are some women in their late teens to mid twenties who lack the moral fiber, looks / physical appearance, and intellectual / mental substance of some women in their 30s and 40s.
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Keith said:
Roissy is complaining that a lot of women have developed good taste in men and are rejecting him.
It’s true. Having wised up, all the girls are going for Keith now. He fucks a different hot model every night!
Go Keith! You’re an inspiration.
*wipes single tear of admiration*
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Whiskey,
There ARE a LOT of gyms out there now aren’t there!
It used to be a few mega gyms, but now smaller 24/7 affairs are in every fifth or sixth strip mall with names that denote “quickie” fitness, etc.
One does wonder with all the layoffs how many of the monthly, quarterly, and six-month memberships will be allowed to expire while people piddle around with the dumbells and excercise bikes at home? Memberships probably will slide for a while. Many of the “laid off” are also probably losing access to company excercise facilities too.
Sprint and Home Depot laid off something like 8,000 people today. Yikes.
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Thursday – Roissy, while beating up on sara or some other member of the harpy brigade is kinda fun, why even waste breath on Nicole? She is incoherent and irrelevant. Sara and company at least advance their moronic theories with some degree of logical clarity, so their intellectual idiocies can be sliced and diced elegantly for our amusement. Debating Nicole is like using hand grenades to clear a fog and it just degenerates into insults.
Oh, you said fog. I misread that and thought you wrote frog.
A really, really big fat frog.
Saddam used to fish with grenades. Chuck it into the lake…BOOM….
That’s how a true Alpha goes fishing. Not of that beta the hook with a worm routine.
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“As someone mentioned before, in the DC area, there aren’t so many available men to go around”
this is a myth.
adjusted for age, there are more dateable women in DC than men.
Huh??? Isn’t that what he/she said??!!?
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Saddam used to fish with grenades. Chuck it into the lake…BOOM….
That’s just standard redneck sport.
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OK, I’m back at Obsidian HQ & listening to the *five disc* Isley Brothers set I copped earlier today-to my White Brothers, for the love of God, get some Isley Brothers on your playlist, no real Player/Lover is complete w/o the Isleys, you heard it here. You NEED that.
OK, so I’ve read Roissy’s latest offering for the Forum’s consideration, and I take it that his Flakeout rate has either risen dramatically of late, or the overall effect of flakeouts in as many months have begun to take its toll. In any event, from his tone, he seems rather miffed about it, and I can’t say I blame him. Flakeouts hurt.
*Uh-Oh, one of my fave Isley Brothers hits, Footsteps In The Dark…*
As I see it, Roissy *may* be having one of two problems, and me and Sparks talked about this recently. They come down to two:
Targets, and Time.
I’ll briefly explain using my own life as backdrop.
I’ve been fortunate and blessed indeed to have a very low Flakeout Rate, and this was before I knew anything about Game in a formal sense. The major reason for this, after giving the matter much thought, is because I was always a very picky Man when it came to who I wanted to approach and roll from there. I’ve noticed that a lot of guys kinda flit from one Woman to another like a bee going from one flower to another, and hey, can’t knock anyone’s steez, but that ain’t how I roll. I like to observe a Woman for awhile before I say anything, because I need to see her in a few settings, or how she handles herself in a particular setting for a bit before I step up front.
*Voyage To Atlantis comes on…*
I think a lot of the problem here stems from not taking the time out to properly assess Targets. As Greene says in The Art of Seduction, you *must* choose your Targets carefully, if for no other reason so that you can be sure that your efforts have a reasonable chance for success. I personally don’t like spinning my wheels or wasting my time. And I definitely don’t like Dumb Broads. So unless you take the time to assess a Target properly, you might get a flake and before you know it, you’re dead in the water. So, that’s one part of it.
*For The Love Of You…*
The other part of it as I see it, is you’re not taking enough Time with the Target to forge an Emotional Connection of some sort. This is vital I’ve learned over the years. As poster Girl22 so rightly points out, not only do Women have highly attuned senses to ferret out when you only wanna hit it and quit it, they will then play YOU out like a Sucka. Hate to put it like that R, but I’m just sayin’. If they get the sense that you’re only out for a Booty Call, you’re toast, and this goes especially for the higher echelon Hotties.
So, in my case, I gotta holla at the Lady at least 20 minutes before I move for a number close, and even then its kinda shaky in my book. It is not unusual for The Obsidian to strike up a convo w/a gal that ends up being an hour or more in length, w/my getting the digits at the conclusion. I’ve found that Women will make time for you if you got a mean Conversation Game. And, now I know that those longer convos count to the Seven Hour Clock. Nice.
*All In My Lover’s Eyes…*
W/all respect to my White Brothers here, and in fairness I note that a good portion of the Brothas do it too: one can’t help but get the sense that y’all are moving too fast to get a full close. Gotta slow your roll, man. A lot of times, im not even thinking of hittin’ it, just keeping company with a Cool Sister. Didn’t know it then, but I know it now, it’s called Comfort Building. And I don’t get the sense that you, Roissy, nor a good number of guys in general, really *want* to Comfort build with a Female; it all comes off as hurried, rushed, and if that’s the case then no wonder the Flakeout rate is as high as it is. Women will get the sense that you don’t care about them at all, and will vamoose. With the quickness. A good Seduction takes *time*. Wham bam, thank you Ma’am is for beginners, at best. Take Brown Sugah, for example. I met her about a week or so after getting Mystery’s book and The Game. But we didn’t finally do things until a month later. The interim time was spent building lots of rapport, trust and comfort. It was worth it, she is one HOT CHICK, man. Whew. Oh, btw, I’m preparing a Tantric Love Weekend with her this coming weekend. Hence the Isley Brothers 5 disc set. May post a lil sumthin’ sumthin’ on it next week.
*Hello, It’s Me…*
One more point, if I may.
*I Once Had All Your Love…*
Roissy mentions in his post something about doing a Woman “hard and angry” or words to that effect for initially flaking on him; later on in the comments, this sentiment recurs among several posters. While I respect the views of others, I have to say w/all due respect that such a thing disturbs me a bit.
*Summer Breeze…*
*Why* is it necessary to be “hateful” towards a Woman, man? If its that deep, just cut her loose, that’s what I do. Life’s too short to be hatin’ anyone, it aint worth it.
*At Your Best, You Are Love…*
There seems to be a kind of “Pump & Dump” vibe that doesn’t jibe well with me at all, and also could explain why I don’t get as many flakeouts as you and others, R. I’ve always been of the type to go for longer term seductions/relationships/associations, which by their very nature require more time, focus and simply put, work. I’ve *never* been a fan of the One Night Stand and can count the number I’ve had in my life on one hand. Mine is the kind of lovin’ that cannot be fully experienced in one night.
So, to wrapup fellas-Roissy-I think if you take the time to properly assess your Targets, then take the Time to woo them right, your Flakeout Rate should, God Willing, drop substantially.
*Caravan Of Love…*
*Fade Out*
The Obsidian
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I find that canceling dates isn’t effective unless you’ve banged her already. Before the bang our options are extremely limited in dealing with flakes
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Whiskey wrote: “What’s Depression-era game? Where will people (women) be, in a mode to be approached, and in a way that does not require huge resource displays out the reach of most men?”
Normally I think what Whiskey says is dead on, but things aren’t that bad. Where we are at now, is pretty much average for post WWII recessions. The apocalypse isn’t near. It’s just helpful to say so if you want to kick a couple hundred billion back to your core constitutients. Like how around $142 billion, or 17% of the proposed “stimulus” package is targeted at public education. Explain to me how that helps workers who have been laid off? The bigger the crisis, the more the left can fund all the stuff they wished the could have funded before, when people hadn’t been hyped up into a panic.
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Maybe she flakes because she CAN tell that you don’t really care about her anyways.
Maybe she flakes because she is reading your advice to behave alpha…and now is mislead to also act upon with now alpha female tactics.
Maybe she flakes because she too feels that, like yourself, she can fool people into thinking she’s ‘hot shit’ or ‘hard to get’ by being an asshole; we all know most women love jerks as men love bitches.
But it’s just what I think. And by the way, I think you’re a fantastic writer.
If 29 was so old, how old are you?
…only curious.
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Obsidian,
This white “brother” definitely has Isley Brothers, and worships at the alter of Ernie Isley’s Jimi Hendrix-inspired lead guitar playing. That extended solo on “Summer Breeze” (the LP version, not the edited single) is mid-ripping. His leads on “Who’s That Lady” were groundbreaking.
But I’m surprised you didn’t mention what’s arguably the most affecting Isley Brothers tune: “Harvest for the World.” They took a cue from Curtis Mayfield and Marvin Gaye on that one, proving you could be political and still groove. And they got a hit from it (although this stuff seems to be much more revered in England).
I don’t know if their version of “Nobody But Me” is on that set, but they wrote it and the Human Beinz had the hit with it — as a 60s frat rock anthem.
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[…] calling her on her bad behavior), to mixed and more playful strategies, and on to an aggressive shifting of the balance of power at the level of society as a whole. A great story of classical flaking with lots of suggestions from commenters as to the best […]
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Yo!
What happened to 11minutes?
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When I call a 29 year old woman’s number to set up a date, the last thing I expect to encounter is flaking or playing hard-to-get. It’s such a massive turn-off that I demote a deluded woman like that immediately.
A demotion? I call that one lucky bitch.
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not answer the phone by the third ring or deliberately let a man’s call go to voicemail.
And I’ll bet every time roissy calls a woman and she doesn’t answer by the third ring she is purposely avoiding his call. If he gets the voicemail, it’s always because she is playing hard to get.
not return a phone call within an hour.
This is absolutely unforgivable under any circumstances.
cancel a date later than five hours before the scheduled meeting time.
Preposterous. Completely intolerable.
flake in any manner whatsoever.
Amen.
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flaking can be annoying. but i’m not sure roissy’s re-education of womanhood is the most direct path to personal happiness.
i liked an earlier comment (by “m with the dot” i think) to the effect of: let’s love women for the amoral little creatures they are.
in any case: if she flakes it is because she does not — yet — know your value.
i have too many thoughts on this, so i posted them here instead: http://stagetwo.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/why-do-women-flake-and-how-should-we-respond/
obsidian – i agree on your points (not too sure about the isley borthers yet, though.) you need to get a blog. your posts are too long and too high-quality for any comments section.
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DBA,
Ahh, yup, how right you are; the Isleys have been known for their famous riffs, thanks to brother Ernie’s handiwork. Harvest For The World is w/o a doubt one of their greatest hits.
Voyage To Atlantis features Ernie’s handiwork and guitar skills yet again, and im listening to Summer Breeze as I type this. When you really want to bestow the Blessings of the Good Wood upon a Lucky Lady, doing it to the Isleys is about as close as one can get to Nirvana as it gets.
That’s wassup.
O
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“Women ‘feel most beautiful aged 32′” – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4355125/Women-feel-most-beautiful-aged-32.html
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StageTwo,
Thanks for the comments. Field Test the Isleys next time you get a HB at the spot. You won’t be disappointed.
Gonna checkout your blog piece too.
O
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obsidian:
fuck flakes. my response rate, not to mention the sheer volume of my not-so-little black book, are high enough that i just don’t give a shit.
if they call back, i’ll think about it.
if they don’t, fuck ’em.
under no circumstances will i go out of my way.
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re: roughness, etc:
do remember that, in relationships, women love to be taken, forcefully.
in fact, probably the single most reliable way to re-inject passion into a relationship, or to turn an already fiery relationship into a conflagration, is to “punish” your woman on a regular basis, for the slightest transgressions, with spankings, throating, and hard, deep, relentless fucking that draws blood at any time of the month.
then, one of two things will happen: either (a) she’ll stop transgressing, or (b) she’ll transgress so that she can be “punished” again, because she’s addicted to it. if (a) happens, just set impossible rules that she can’t help but break. if it’s (b), your work is done.
none of this is to be confused with actual hate. in fact, it’s much more compatible with love.
submission is to a woman what a double blowjob – one on the rod, one on the nuts – is to men. sin igual.
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J5,
Oh, absolutely, im with ya 100% on what you say. But I get a different vibe from Roissy’s words, and yours above. Maybe im reading too much into it, but I just don’t get a “hateful” tone from what your wrote. Very different from R’s sentiments. Im just sayin’.
The Kama Sutra, among other things, speaks to what you wrote above. And, I agree.
Good lookin’.
O
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i don’t think so.
one, the sardonic quality evident in roissy’s writing sometimes makes me think that he has a “one who got away” – and that she only got away because he was unlucky enough to meet her before he experienced the very real life-transforming capacity of Game.
if this is the case, then it’s easy to see “why all the hate”. i think all of us have, at least at times, fallen victim to the tendency to compare objective current realities to idealized former realities. in fact, this “nirvana fallacy” was thoroughly analyzed in response to some pompous (and ignorant) harpy on some earlier thread.
two, roissy’s whole point is to call his readers’ attention to the very sorry state of many, many things in the modern dating climate. his agitprop can be a bit over-the-top at times, but it does garner attention. and attention to these sorts of things is NEEDED.
badly.
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i do, however, find something very, very amiss about roissy’s “demoting” a 29-year-old to a few fucks, the obvious logical implication being that roissy was originally considering said 29-year-old as a candidate for something more than just a few fucks.
wait, what?
if that’s the case, then it’s directly at loggerheads with everything that roissy has to say about women that age. since roissy is, to say the least, not renowned for logical inconsistency, this deserves a “wuz up wit dat, r?”
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that’s because there’s no hate.
my heart has never been broken.
as i wrote above, i strongly suspect that roissy’s has, and that said heartbreak was possibly his principal inspiration to learn Game.
this case is bolstered by the fact that roissy was already getting laid on the regular before becoming a Sarge-ant Major. he may have “quadrupled his notch count”, but, it’s vanishingly rare for a guy who’s already pulling ass to go out of his way just to pull more ass. (incidentally, this is the same reason why NO top pua’s are unusually good-looking, striking, or linebacker-built men.)
on the other hand, a broken heart can often drive a man to greatness that he never would, or could, have achieved while contented.
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“While much of what Roissy has written in the post is true, his tone betrays a sense of frustrated rejection.”
You think?
Roissy probably gets ready to make a blog post by standing in front of a mirror for a minute and repeating:
“Remember. Cocky and funny. Amused mastery. Cocky and funny. Amused mastery. Be an ALPHA!!”
Unfortunately, when he writes the frustration and bitterness seep to the surface almost every time, because Roissy is the kind of wound-up guy who can think himself into a brain hemorrhage.
He doesn’t need an opponent to work himself up into savage anger, but when he finds such a target, he goes flying off the handle and reverts to a 12 year old.
Roissy’s habit of picking apart every single sentence written by the female posters he doesn’t agree with speaks of a man who’s been ignored by too many women in real life. This time, they won’t brush him off, damn it!
It’s the language of rejection.
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“on the other hand, a broken heart can often drive a man to greatness that he never would, or could, have achieved while contented.”
You’re making it sound like Roissy invented the cure for cancer.
To me, it seems like his achievements amount to telling people on the ‘net that he’s having lots of sex with young women.
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“Since flaky girls are lefty in a poltical sense, keep telling them how Islam is a great religion. She will initially agree out of hatred for George W. Bush, but you can move the conservation towards how women are ‘kept under control’ in Islam, and how the women are happier as a result. That will really mess with her head. Most liberal chicks still havent put 2 and 2 together that being a feminist and sympathizing with Islam are wholly incompatible. ”
I would love to try this just for kicks. I’d also, similarly, like to have a discussion with a hot Jewish Obama fan about how Bush was a great friend to Israel and Obama is suspect.
NonAbsolut it’s nice to see you back. When we getting together? Ivies need to stick together you know.
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you’re making it sound like that was a statement about roissy.
while roissy certainly has the gift of the writing muses, it was not.
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JerrDog,
This is broadly my experience also. I am currently in Australia for work, having lived in Beijing for 5 years. The difference in how women perceive me in China and Australia is greater than night and day.
In Australia, I have only ever dated 5s, and they typically acted as though they were slumming. Smart, attractive women simply never talked to me. End of story. I have a few close friends from college who are women, but have never had a girlfriend who was intellectually stimulating, let alone smart and hot.
China: I had two relationships that lasted about a year and a half each – both 9s, one a 19 yo, one a 25 yo. I broke it off with the older one because she asked me if she was better off staying with me or going to france to do an MBA. I told her the truth because I respect her and want her to be rich. She is easily hot enough to find a decent guy in Europe. I never cheated on the younger one, and in the remaining 3 1/2 years probably bedded around 60 women. None was less than a 7.
For the entire time I lived in China, and doubly so once I spoke Mandarin, I had women hitting on me. Not with subtlety.
I am a lot more alpha than I used to be, but it is hard work that I force myself to get into; reading Mystery, reading Roissy, forcing myself to get out and socialize even when i don’t really want to. But the unavoidable truth is this: I am the same person in both places. I don’t drink, I don’t do drugs, I am bookish and middle income. What is different is how women respond to these things.
I anticipate many (American) women will say “They just want your passport”, “they just want money”. Let me answer the “money” insult first. I worked in an industry that meant most of the Chinese women I met had more money than I do. Waaaaay more. Didn’t have an effect. “Passport!” There is a group of men that have more success with women than any other i have ever seen, or heard of. HongKong guys who learn game. Literally the best of both worlds. Since they don’t have a passport to offer the Chinese women, I would love to hear the explanation for this. They clearly scored more easily than the vast majority of white guys.
I think the “flake” ethos can only exist in western countries for as long as the majority of Western betas remain unaware of the 90% of the planet where being a traditional, decent guy is a ticket to a LTR with a young, smart, hot woman.
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Daniel says sarcastically, “He fucks a different hot model every night!”
See what I mean about the best of mediocrity?
How about a different hot yoga instructor?
…fitness model?
…martial artist?
All these women are likely to be extremely fit and very sexy overall because they’re doing more than munching rice cakes while watching Oprah.
:: sigh ::
Williard, playground level insults are not going to get you what you want, which is, I assume, to make me feel bad about myself.
To even have a remote chance of doing that, I have to respect you first.
J5 says, “under no circumstances will i go out of my way.”
This is, in my opinion, a very good policy. No woman is worth your dignity or self respect. She should at least be meeting you halfway, and if she’s not, she’s probably got issues that you don’t want to deal with.
It’s hard for me to say, especially as a woman, what that means in the field. One has to look at their own situation and the person they’re dealing with. However, as a rule, a relationship at the initial stages, even a somewhat purely sexual one, should be approached as a game of catch. You’re the man, so you may have to throw first, but she should be catching and throwing the ball back. If she lets the thing fall and doesn’t move to retrieve it, don’t stand around waiting to see if she might change her mind. Find someone else to play with.
“as i wrote above, i strongly suspect that roissy’s has, and that said heartbreak was possibly his principal inspiration to learn Game.”
I’ll do you one better and speculate that his heart was broken by a (possibly chubby and/or Black) lawyer or other intense professional woman. It had to be heartbreak or unrequited love that he’s convincing himself that a chain of frail party girls will quench. The women he admires don’t go for him, so he purposefully seeks out women he doesn’t admire, and punishes them for rebuffing him, because he can. One can’t well punish someone over whom one has no authority. You can see though, in how he treats me and others, that this does not stop him from trying.
He feels that he can solve his love for this less than “hot” woman, and his attraction to women like her by being less “beta”. He views it as a weakness that drove him in that direction, rather than an indicator that perhaps he has or had the potential to be a strong enough counterpart for a “high T” woman.
Frail girls are easy prey for him for the same reason the sick and the weak are easier prey for any predator. Problem is that after awhile, one becomes weaker when the fastest thing they have to chase is a tree sloth. One finds themselves more vested in the behavior of the prey, than their own fitness.
Imagine what I would be like if almost everything else about my personality was the same, but I restricted my dating to rich old men. Sure, I’d be skinny no matter what, because that’s the default preference…but I’d have an overblown sense of entitlement, and be resentful of the ones who didn’t fall for my gold digging games. If anyone tried to tell me that what I was doing was destructive, and not going to give me what I want to boot, I’d tell them I can’t hear them for the rustling of the cash I’m rolling in.
So who would be right? Doesn’t matter. It’s not a moral issue. We’re just each sharing our perspective. :: shrug ::
Again, I’m not knocking his tastes. Frail girls need love to, as well as protection. Men who offer this to them are doing a good deed. I believe that this is something men need, to feel magnanimous in a way. Just…different guys have different needs, and if a guy needs the power balance in his relationship to be a bit more level than man and dog, he should probably neither tolerate flakes nor be one himself.
If someone feels they can do better than you, then let them go out there and try. Wish them all the best and move on.
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but, yeah, this post is in complete contravention of everything that is the mythos of roissy. as pointed out above, roissy set up a “date” and then “demoted” the woman, statements implying that he considered her as worthy of more than just a few hatefucks.
there are only 2 possible conclusions:
(1) she’s substantially better/hotter/more desirable than other 29-year-olds, to the point where she can command the attention of an accomplished pick-up artist.
(2) roissy is not actually an accomplished pick-up artist, and he is therefore forced to consider women he views as “past their prime” as potential relationship prospects.
#2 is probably not true, unless roissy is the world’s best and most convincing keyboard jockey. by elimination, that leaves #1.
if #1 is the case, then, well, she’s more desirable than the vast majority of her age cohort. if this is the case, then, much to roissy’s annoyance, she can get away with this sort of behavior.
my take: she’s probably hot, else roissy wouldn’t be wasting his time.
therefore, she is probably playing the Rules Girl role to the max, with the express purpose of screening out players.
it sounds as though she is doing a very, very good job of that, actually. roissy clearly doesn’t want marriage or commitment, so, if this woman does, her actions are actually a resounding success in this case.
girls run game, too.
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Chinaman, a friend of mine who attracts women like flies to poop says that a guy who doesn’t drink, smoke, or do drugs and such, has to have something called “straight edge” with western women.
It’s not being a snob or a health nut. It’s being “superior”. Go with an attitude that you are an optimal man living the optimal lifestyle, and work on how to show pity and contempt for women whose lifestyle may not be as hard-core as yours.
It’s basically negging them about health. “You’re cute but you have these dark circles under your eyes. It’s probably from not getting enough vitamin C(um)…” Heheheh…
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there’s a HUGE upside to this, though: a lot of younger women – like, 19-20, too young to go to real bars and stuck in places like webster hall or the roxy – are actually buying into this incredibly pervasive “thirtyish women are hot” meme, which has been repeated by everyone from dr. phil (“don’t marry until you’re thirty”) to my own tall, handsome, and hopelessly beta brother.
this is awesome, because a lot of these girls take roissy’s “mature and classy” age neg DEAD SERIOUSLY, and will absolutely bust their eggs trying to prove themselves to men in their late twenties and early thirties. in fact, if agnostic ever scores any actual quim, this is almost certainly the reason.
it’s not until these girls turn 21, escape webster hall, torq sf, and the roxy, and hit real bars for a little while that their self-estimation blows absolutely out of all proportion with reality.
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obsidian:
i think i’m going to try rocking the isley brothers on an 22-year-old adhd clubber chick sometime, just so that i can photograph her dumbfounded expression for posterity.
nah.
while she goes into the bathroom to “freshen up”, i put on the crystal method’s “born too slow” or the prodigy’s “action radar” and absent-mindedly jab my speed bag until she comes out.
* one, i don’t think the isley brothers would be terribly compatible with my preferred style of fucking.
* two, the isley brothers remind me of foreplay, and you know how i feel about foreplay. i’ll give massages, bring cold gatorade from the fridge, etc. afterwards, but i do not wait to take what i want.
after the deed is done and it’s time to turn back into clark kent, i’ll put on something softer, like kaskade’s strobelite seduction, but the isley brothers are not going to be happening on this circuit.
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kthulah
yes.
this is easy to do when you have the proper attitude of abundance.
it’s even easier when there is a tangible abundance.
nothing succeeds like success.
life is good.
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the one thing that troubles me about this post, though, is that you write as though all women who aren’t “high-T” are necessarily “frail”.
this is tertium non datur at its absolute worst.
i know lots of high-T professional chicks who are a complete house of cards, and, in terms of self-esteem, are as “frail” as an osteoporosis-ridden dowager. more to the point, there are ALL KINDS of women who are not the least bit “high-T”, but are incredibly strong and resilient. they are rocks of stability hidden under a pretty carpet of flowers; firecrackers wrapped in pretty pink paper. they are not to be fucked with. they are to be loved.
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Kthulah,
Cheers, good advice.
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lest the poll be biased to those who are still reading yesterday’s post, i’d like to invite all readers of this forum to my open challenge from yesterday.
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“It’s basically negging them about health. “You’re cute but you have these dark circles under your eyes. It’s probably from not getting enough vitamin C(um)…” Heheheh…”
So you propose negging a girl not about her opinion about something or some activity she does or else some degree she has
You propose negging a girl ABOUT HER PHYSICAL APPEARANCE. Specially, about her health. About signs of aging due to many nights on the beat. I want lurker back. Ktullahm this was themost deluded comment I read this year in Roissy’s. It is like you saying: “hi, I am a virgin, you know, and I want girls not like you, who had several partners, but just like me, without sexual experience” . You don’t neg about her appearance, about her age, about her sluttiness, about her weight. It is simply.
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roissy:
You complain about women playing games and acting childish, and yet here you are doing the same stupid shit. Making comments like that is just disrespectful. If you’re not happy with your girlfriend, just leave her.
Didn’t you just complain that women flake all the time?
If you don’t like head games, why do you play them?
If it’s acceptable for you to be flaky, it’s also acceptable for her.
You just said that this isn’t acceptable behavior.
Try to be a little more consistent. It isn’t that hard, I assure you.
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Gig, I’m a woman so I might not explain it as well as he does. I just know that it works because I’ve seen it in action.
Straight edge movement and straight edge type guys are different things. The movement is a teen thing, but the issue of sex in it is no *casual* sex. Sex, for them, should happen in the context of an actual relationship. That’s not abstinence. That’s just not doing it with someone who isn’t your actual girlfriend or boyfriend.
You don’t come out and label yourself as “straight edge” to a girl. You just do what you do or don’t do what you don’t do, and anyone who has a problem with it can go screw themselves. There are also degrees and flavors of straightness. I know of some Rastafarian guys who don’t drink or smoke except marijuana. Just because they’re the only ones in the club holding a bottled water doesn’t make them less edgy.
…and appearance negs do work when the delivery isn’t Gay-like. They might even work then, if the idea is to keep the woman guessing about one’s sexual orientation. Tall, buff, pretty faced guys use it all the time.
If there’s a trick to it, it would be noticing a flaw that most guys wouldn’t. If a woman is beautiful, natural or media, guys tend to get hazy and not notice her faults, and turn into gushing, insipid, blustering idiots on account of the blood rushing from their brain to elsewhere. If you’re the guy who notices that even though they’re slim, they’re suffering because of going about that the wrong way, you get points for being a non idiot.
Anything that makes you look higher status/less of an idiot sheep is a good thing.
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Mentioning European women is good, but I would be careful about some of the other ethnicities mentioned, especially Asian women. With Asian women, the first assumption is yellow fever, and that is quite common among betas. Related to that, the virtues that are suggested to extol (quiet, subservient, placating) are qualities that a beta would be enormously attracted to. “A land full of women that are no challenge and never question my authority? Great!” This reeks of being weak. Being the rock that women cling to in time of storm = good. Never wanting to have to deal with the troubles of a woman in time of storm = life of porn.
The Latino route is also dangerous. Play up the hellcat in bed part, but don’t give the slightest intimation that you would for one instant put up with the stereotypical drama that comes with dating them.
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Try to be a little more consistent. It isn’t that hard, I assure you.
TJF – Your snark got in the way of reading comprehension. Roissy’s advice is remarkable consistent. Woman (naturally) play games that give them the upper hand. By mimicking these same games, an aspiring Roissy can, like a judo master, use the momentum of the game against her to successfully reverse her mind set. Your all-too-predictable response would be that this is hypocritical and immoral. The obvious rebuttal is that moral or principle are not the goals here… success is the only metric.
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Negs about what she is wearing work. Neg about her physical appearance, you get slapped in the face. Define “appearance”. As I define it, it doesn’t include clothing.
“it would be noticing a flaw that most guys wouldn’t”
The same way girls usually take just a glance to decide if a guy is alpha or beta, men from the moment they enter a room have a table with every women in it ordained from best to worst in facial beauty, age, size of their breasts, beauty of their legs, and so on. Guys need just a few seconds to evaluate a girl’s hotness. And our evaluations are identical almost every time. I don’t know how to say this in english, but if you change your phrase’s gender it would be like that:
“a girl negging a guy about his alphaness may notice a beta trait other girls wouldn’t”
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” If you dont know a girl so good, and she doesn’t want to go down on ya, and your tired and you wanna crash, or just wanna continue on with your night ya fuckin diddle her twat, fuckin get her off, just go down there and if you know what to do it’ll take probly 6-7 min, well you go under the panties for sure and ya just kind of pet it a bit. PET! Her fucking knee caps Ferrel.. pet her fucking twat.”
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Define appearance. As I do it, it doesn’t include clothing. Negs about what she’s wearing are OK. Negs about physical appearance are anathema.
“it would be noticing a flaw that most guys wouldn’t”
Men evaluate the girl’s hotness just as girls evaluate a guy’s alphaness. The moment a group of guys see a girl, they all classify her relative t other females around concerning her facial beauty, legs, size of her nose, fatness, age, breasts, slutty clothing and so on. It takes no more than a few seconds. And the opinions thus formed are usually identical. If you change the gender of your phrase, it would be like:
“a girl negging a guy about his alphaness may notice a beta trait other girls wouldn’t”
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Pope Goaz D’Weezil:
You sound like a feminist in disguise, trying to steer men away from Asian women because you see them as competition. The only thing that’s weak here is your stupid post.
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Seeking Alpha:
You can’t make the hypocrisy go away just because you don’t want to think about it.
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Yes, but pointing it out to someone who is both aware of it, and specifically and successfully using it to achieve his ends is a bit pointless, no?
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Gig, men and women are different.
If I was going to neg a guy, it wouldn’t be literally about his “alphaness”. It would be about something that would indicate weakness in some area other than sex/romance directly. Ball busting is not attractive.
A bit of bitchiness is, despite what most guys say, but outright emasculating a guy is not pretty.
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No, it’s not pointless.
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tokyojesusfist –
Would you disagree that most guys that are crazy about Asian girls are mind-numbingly beta? I’ve seen extremely few alphas that would extol the virtues of Asian women, and nearly every white man I’ve seen praising Asian women couldn’t get laid in an Axe commercial.
Asian women are stereotyped as being blindly subservient, easy targets. No man should associate himself with not only picking off the low hanging fruit, but actually strongly pursuing it. It implies a lack of options.
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“Asian women are stereotyped as being blindly subservient, easy targets.”
The reality is they are incredibly materialistic, and will disappear if you sustain a drop in income or status of a single red cent.
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I just made an analogy to show how pointless was your position about finding a flaw other guys wouldn´t. There ain´t such flaws. Guys evaluate quickly and those evaluations are identical most of the time. T say to a beta: “look at that girl an try to find a flaw. Once you have done it, go there and neg her over that. ” is absurd. All the guys have a complete analysis of the girl after a few seconds as far as her physical appearance in concerned.
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The reality is they are incredibly materialistic, and will disappear if you sustain a drop in income or status of a single red cent.
That’s consistent with what I’ve seen.
Also, so many poor Betas had married FOB Asian women not knowing that they were just being used as a stepping stone to a green card and getting her extended family into the States.
Same thing with the Eastern European bride mania of the 1990s, many of whom were little professional con artists.
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Pope Goaz D’Weezil:
Hard to say since there exists no real definition for beta (or alpha).
Alphas primarily go after vapid sluts with personality disorders, so I’m not sure we should be holding their mating preferences as the gold standard.
If someone likes Asian women and goes after Asian women, how can that possibly imply a lack of options?
I’d like you to explain to me what’s suddenly so wonderful about the kind of women frequently trashed on this blog. Do you really enjoy a relationship consisting of nothing but head games and drama?
I like Asian women because they’re infinitely more attractive than any other women.
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Gig, if a guy has been brainwashed to ignore certain things, as American men have, women will let those things go. The idea is to get a guy over his brainwashing. Then he can find the flaw in any woman.
No matter how beautiful a woman is, she has some flaws in her appearance. Appearance isn’t the *only* thing a guy can neg a woman on, but it is one of the things that works consistently and effectively on women.
By “women”, I mean, as Days of Broken Arrows aptly put it:
“We’re talking about the twentysomethings we meet in bars, who all have the same streaked blonde hair, who all wear the same clothes and who all watch the same TV shows and movies.”
These are apparently the only women who matter for the purpose of these kinds of discussions. A woman who is exceptional will likely require exceptional game. If she’s not insecure about her appearance, perhaps because she accepts herself and what comes with that, then negging her appearance isn’t going to work.
…but most women spend more on cosmetics in a year than they spend on books. So letting her know that you’re not fooled by the paint or the speed is a good thing.
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“look at that girl an try to find a flaw. Once you have done it, go there and neg her over that. ” is absurd. All the guys have a complete analysis of the girl after a few seconds as far as her physical appearance in concerned.
As far as general impressions of a woman’;s attractiveness, yes, you are right. It’s a split-second assessment. But closer scrutiny will reveal minor flaws that while not being dealbreakers by any means, they are good neg material.
Interestingly, today I sat opposite of a very attractive brunette on the train to work. She’s in her late 20s, stylishly dressed (unusually so, being that most of my fellow passengers are sub-amphibian life forms known as Federal Government Employees, and they look the part) with a strong but lovely face and great skin.
Just out of boredom, I discretely checked her out for the kind of minor flaws that you’re mentioning here. At first, I couldn’t find any. She really was that hot. But then, I did notice that she had a bit of the “man hands” thing going on. Not grossly so, just enough for a neg.
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johnny five still thinks that quoting shakespeareis going to get him laid. someday.
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Seriously, what is the fascination with that show? I’m a woman and I’ve never gotten what all the fuss is about. They’re caricatures, broadly- and not particularly well-written, in a NYC as fictitious as the one inhabited by the broadly-and-rather-more-cleverly-written friends of Friends. Anyone who takes either show as any sort of pattern for living is a complete moron.
it’s worse than you think:
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2009/01/sex_and_the_city200901?printable=true¤tPage=all
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This thread is priceless.
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“Female behavior has gotten out of hand”
Seriously? The need to control a woman’s behavior tells me you guys feel emasculated. If you base your self worth on how hot your date is and derive your pride from having angry sex with a girl you’ll never see again, the good girls are smart enough to see it and avoid you like the herpes-infested creeps you are. That’s why we flake–we see red flags and start making excuses to ourselves and you as to why we can’t make it. So no wonder you hate women. The quality ones avoid you like the plague. And before you go disagreeing and saying how many women you’ve done, I have to insist that if you were a good guy, Roissy, and deserved a good woman, you’d be with her by now instead of bitterly typing away and giving excuses as to why you’re still single (It’s the women’s fault! There’s nothing wrong with me!)
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DOBA–
I prefer Power Station’s cover of “Harvest for the World” (and yes I have experienced both version).
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tokyojesusfist, I’m sure the reason you like Asian women is nothing to do with the fact that their bodies often resemble those of 12 year old boys.
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Emma:
No, they don’t. You just hate Asian women because they represent competition that you can’t handle.
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J5,
Oh, no doubt, the Isleys are for when you’re firmly in Cruise Control on some real chill shit. Steady as she goes Lovemaking, no doubt.
No dis to the Cavemen in the room, but that aint really my steez. Im just sayin’.
The Obsidian
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Well, the explanation is pretty simple.
You do need a passport to live in HK:
http://www.gov.hk/en/residents/immigration/traveldoc/hksarpassport/index.htm
It’s known as the HKSAR.
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“Also, so many poor Betas had married FOB Asian women not knowing that they were just being used as a stepping stone to a green card and getting her extended family into the States.
Same thing with the Eastern European bride mania of the 1990s, many of whom were little professional con artists.”
If a beautiful, intelligent Chinese woman wants to use you as a green card, how bad could it get? It takes several years for her to get PR or a couple years for her completes her residency so she can be a radiologist stateside or whatever? A couple years of sex with a hot woman…It wouldn’t be too bad to get “used” that way. It’s not like AFC’s aren’t getting “used” already by domestic chicks. Sure she may leave you for greener pastures once she can stay here here. Not much worse odds that a pudgy, cranky, white chick.
Here’s a hint guys:
If a chick makes about the same or money than you… you don’t have to worry about alimony. Just pick one that’s ambitious – it’s not that hard. It takes the “money” thing completely out of the picture.
I know a guy who gets a new wife every 2 years. He goes to Schenzen and works there for 6 months and comes back with a new woman. Not just farm girl factory chicks but QUALITY women. I joke with him that he’s like a recruiter abroad bringing in talent to America’s biotech companies. He could get by pretty well with domestic chicks, he’s retired military and an engineer. He says it’s like a perpetual honeymoon for him. The divorces are sometimes mutual or one-sided (they want kids and he’s been snipped). There’s no alimony because it is so short. Even if it was longer there’d be no real alimony because they all make over 6 figures too.
If I had known about this when I was younger…
The russian bride thing is a scam. But look at what that dork Hans Reiser managed to get from Russia. She was a solid 9 and an obstetrician to boot. She married him even though he was clearly a nut job his whole life; he was nuts even before he killed her. BTW, they should make a law allowing torture if the murder victim was hot. He took a precious asset from society and should pay more for it.
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Actually, I think Reiser was the victim of the ultimate con, it was his job (as society decreed) to work on his file system so he could fork over his money to her whether she settled down with her BDSM friend or took his kids to Russia.
Would’ve been interesting to know when she started cheating and whether she married him in order to embezzle from his firm, or if that bright idea came to her only afterwards.
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The stereotypes of Asian women are understandable, but wrong, at least in my experience.
You know how to tell somebody who knows Jack about Japan? Listen to them tell you how polite the Japanese are. It’s all the front that is exposed to the world. You have to be there a while, have some sort of relationship beyond acquaintance, and then you may find out what they really think. Or how strong the women really are. I like the country and the people, but I have no delusions. I’m an ousider and I will always be one and so will my children. Everything is groups, and you are in or you are out. I was “in” the English classes I taught, or I would have been nowhere with my wife. Now I’m “in” her family, but very much an outsider everywhere else. People will be polite, but relationships tell. Definitely gaijin here.
I wrote this before, but how many women do you know would flat out tell their parents, brother and sister that they are bringing you home to meet them, marrying you, and moving to the US? People see the smiles and the good manners and they think Japanese women are subservient. Most of the Japanese women I knew were like that. Tough inside, but they don’t show it when they don’t need to.
American woman of Asian descent are not the same thing at all. They are the same as every other American woman, with the added problem of dealing with “yellow fever” and the “not dating out” pressure from their peers.
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Eurosabra,
His company wasn’t pulling in much cash at all. Despite his very clever filesystem tricks, he didn’t have solid patents or anything and there were some serious flaws with the implemenation. In fact, he was doing a lot of general consulting work unrelated to his invention to make money because namesys wasn’t. So there wasn’t jack squat to embezzle. He was the classic crackpot genius type who can get by, and has great influential ideas, but isn’t going to get rich. An obgyn can make $250k/year in the bay area. She had more income potential than he did. Cheating often happens for a variety of complicated reasons and is rarely the _first_ act – I can only imagine what it would be like to be married to a nut job like him.
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Guys like me are less forgiving of gameplaying from women who no longer have the grade A goods to get away with it, so your best bet is sincerity, straightforwardness and good faith.
Perhaps you could give them some lessons.
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Thursday
BTW where are Clio and Hope? The only two female commenators who ever made any real contribution to the discussion here.
They finally realized what I’ve known all along; taking roissy’s specious spouting with any seriousness is deleterious to one’s mental and emotional state and an exercise in futility.
Steve
Just for you, and I quote:
Love is the only thing that cannot be purchased, the only thing that is not a commodity available in the marketplace, the only thing for which you can never pay enough. But it is available just for the asking or for the taking.
All that is really valuable is available free. It is just like the air we breathe; without air there is no life, but it is available free, although man has polluted polluted it now and is destroying the very source of life itself every day. The same has happened on a subtle level as far as love is concerned. Man has polluted love even more than he has polluted the air. The air pollution is a very recent thing. It happened only after automobiles were invented, it happened only because of scientific developments; it is only within one hundred years that it has happened.
But priests have been polluting love for ten thousand years at least. They have destroyed the whole energy of it, they have poisoned the very source of love. It has to be reclaimed because just as the body cannot exist without air, the soul cannot exist without love. What air is to the body, love is to the soul; it is priceless but yet available free. Still, people are so stupid that they remain completely unaware of the great gift of God. The river goes on flowing by the side and they are thirsty.
One of the greatest Indian mystics, Kabir, has said: “I laugh to no end because I see that the fish in the river is thirsty.”
He is talking about man, the fish. He is talking about love, the river.
Now doesn’t that make you feel a whole lot betta?
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im continually surprised any time i see roissy refer to older (25+) women and his attempts to date them. i thought he doesnt go for that? unless like someone else mentioned, hes talking about a super duper hot one.
i also agree with the commenters that flaky tactics are used by a lot of women to screen out potential players. if she’s smart enough to look for something serious, she wants to see you really go for her. a lot of women know that betas are better for marriage tho they are less exciting – but having a baby dady that will stay with you overrides other instincts when you get older
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Fucking Russian moll with an MD. Happens all the time, except that Russian men know to stay away from exploitative, sociopathic women, usually by the simple expedient of never having enough $ to interest them.
And, well, filesys patents are easy to deny to the little guy, so there’s no shame in that.
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I wonder why we don’t restrict immigration to hot young females.
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I wonder why we don’t restrict immigration to hot young females. The streets seem to getting uglier every year.
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Obsidian,
They way you described “slow-patient-seduction” is that of what I call “a woman conaisseur”. Conaisseurs are not your run of the mill Womanizers. They tend to be more emotional, and ACTUALLY like the presence of the woman for more than just Sexual gratification. However the “Anger Bang” caliber that many other guys are, are just trying to victoriously Blow their wads in the warm wet holes of these girls. They are the men more intuned with their animalistic side, and often they really give a rats ass about the woman’s feelings. The women seem not to care they are cumrags either, so it’s fair exchange ;-).
So in a sense I think your advice about slow seduction is only meant for a man looking for something more emotionally connected….and of the non monogamous people out there, I think there are more of the anger bang conquest types out there than the caring , considerate, maximum spiritual sexual pleasure seeking Conaisseur type. True monogamists are dayum near negligable. They are the real “Rebels” nowadays in my opinion. Everyone else is Conforming to the jungle that is life. Bonobos with education
;-).
I, as a fellow Brotha cosign with the power of Isley Brothers Slow jams.
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“Conaisseurs”
Learn to spell, moron. And fellow Brotha my ass, you phony fucker…No alpha would ever use those stupid faces either…
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Welmer,
A mainlander who marries a HK resident does not typically get permanent HK residency status, and the places that a HK passport can take you are rapidly converging with the places a PRC passport can. I think the point holds.
My experience is that far more HK guys settle with their mainland women in the mainland than the reverse.
Of the two girls I had LTRs with, neither were remotely interested in moving to Australia. US/Europe was considered superior for education, and the mainland pisses on Australia for opportunities to make money.
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PA
I never thought of Sara as a harpy, more a new age flake or a habitual contrarian.
I love that–“habitual contrarian”! But new age flake, no. Please….just flake in general.
But even so, I’ve been finding her witty of late.
Well!
Yes, I’m over posting today. Must be in a good mood.
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Most liberal chicks still havent put 2 and 2 together that being a feminist and sympathizing with Islam are wholly incompatible.
LOVE IT
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oh, honey… i don’t even know where to start with this.
first, insight and self-awareness: not your strong suits.
second, you’re misinterpreting ambivalence and apathy as flakiness. women aren’t answering the phone, calling you back, whatever else is on your no-no list not because of THEM, but because of YOU. you, like them, are aging. and while men are said to age more gracefully than women do, the fact is that men are trailing women in achievement, education, and even simple employment rates now. so the average woman with any life under her belt has developed the ability to perceive when a guy isn’t worth the time. there’s no disastrous trend of women 27 and older suddenly becoming flakier; you’re just more likely to get the shit end of it because you’re becoming less desirable. you might benefit from thinking about this in basic economic terms.
i’m a woman who falls perfectly in your demographic of women who shouldn’t flake. i’m absolutely not model-pretty, i’m at the front end of your age range, and yet i didn’t return plenty of calls while i was single. sometimes i was too busy doing something or someone else more interesting and lost motivation to bother calling the guy. sometimes i liked the guy and genuinely forgot to return a call — and then i’d apologize profusely. usually, though, if i “flaked,” it was because i realized the guy couldn’t keep up with me. not arrogant, just realistic. women pay attention to your job, status, sense of humor, attitude, manners, and how you comport yourself generally a lot more than they do looks. who you are comes through more than you realize. (even the tenor of a guy’s voice in a voicemail message is enough to make quick assessments that often save a hell of a lot of time for both parties.) the way you write suggests you don’t exactly bring a feast to the table in those departments. but you could work on that and maybe women of all ages would start to be less… flaky.
good luck.
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ChinaMan – it’s obviously a question of status. White men are high-status in China. In Australia, you don’t have that edge. I’d guess that a bookish man who doesn’t drink and doesn’t do drugs isn’t meeting many women anyway, and maybe isn’t the kind of exciting challenge “smart and hot” Australian girls like.
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“If a beautiful, intelligent Chinese woman wants to use you as a green card, how bad could it get? ”
I suggest you google VAWA fake claims and see the sheer number of horror stories out there.
Remember, the small number of foreign women abused has given the femminist grievance industry the hook they needed to make it possible for you to
marry foreign woman;
2 months later she claims domestic abuse;
gets her green card;
you get wrung through the american divorce system etc.
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beenthere,
I know personally of about 30 men, 10 closely who have either married an east asian woman they met abroad or married an east asian foreign student/H1B. AFAIK two of them got a divorce and _none_ of them are bitter about the laws. Most are starting families. Often the woman is making about 70% or higher of what the man makes unless there’s a work visa problem and in that case the woman is either taking care of the kids or going to school. AFAIK, I haven’t seen anything really abusive. I know of many problems with women from latin america with some men I know. This isn’t a scientific survey but this is what I’ve seen.
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Chinaman,
“one, and in the remaining 3 1/2 years probably bedded around 60 women. ”
You probably understand their culture far better than I do. To me it didn’t seem a whole lot different in sexual morals w.r.t. to voluntary promiscuity than the US so it seemed like banging around was an okay thing to do without getting killed or shunned. But I never dared test it.
Is this really an acceptable thing in most cities? Getting to a notch count of 60 would make me a little worried about some dad or jealous boyfriend coming after me for violating some anti-white taboo. Do locals resent you or don’t they care? Do the women feel used and complain?
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Ae, flakiness might be an effective tactic in getting rid of players, but it also gets rid of the good guys too. I have a couple of hot friends I warned against that, did it anyway, and as I told them would happen, the guys shut down absolutely.
The men in question were good men with good intentions, and even very optimistic sorts. The female friends of mine who flaked are used to getting alot of male attention.
From what I’ve seen, guys who only want to get into a girl’s pants are more tolerant of flaking, if she’s hot, because they don’t care about the girl’s personality. Same with the overly naive spine-of-amoeba type guys. They just project their fantasies onto the woman, and also don’t care about her personality. Guys who aren’t naive, who are looking for something long term don’t put up with that kind of crap. It makes the woman instantly unattractive.
I have known guys who will rethink and go back to considering a woman who seemed a little too needy. I don’t know one who is not an obvious idiot, who will go back to a woman who has flaked out on him. Even if they are friends, that will launch her permanently into the female friend zone.
Like I’ve said before, women want to feel secure in their relationships, but sometimes they have very backwards ways of doing it.
As for me, I don’t give or take numbers unless I have intentions to call or answer their calls. If I sense that a guy is just in it for the sex, then I tell him that…politely though, because I don’t think it’s wrong for a guy to want sex. I just tell him that if it’s a choice between having the sex or his respect, then I’ll take the respect.
The few times in the past that I made decisions against my gutt feelings have gone very bad for me. So this is something I kind of learned the hard way. Through it all though, I can say that what helped me survive with my sanity intact is that whatever went wrong, ended relatively quickly because I kept everything above board. No deception from my end, so if they were building on a lie, it wasn’t one of mine. If something had to end, it was over before any real damage was done.
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girl22,
“And in dealing with age, I don’t quite understand where the notion that a 30 plus woman has depreciated value. There are some women in their late teens to mid twenties who lack the moral fiber, looks / physical appearance, and intellectual / mental substance of some women in their 30s and 40s.”
She may look okay (look at Jen Aniston in GQ at 40 years old) but a man doesn’t want his offspring to have Down’s syndrome or elf ears. Bad eggs = lower marriage value!
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drooooooooone:
oh, honey…
that’s mr. honey to you.
[snip rest of fembot agitprop blather]
but you could work on that and maybe women of all ages would start to be less… flaky.
sara is more interesting than you.
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JerrDogg, men should think about that as well. When they get to their mid to late 40’s, their sperm starts to degrade. Older fathers have more risk of kids with genetic disorders.
So men’s biological clock is ticking just as quickly as women’s.
It’s speculated that this is one reason women in their 30’s and 40’s start looking at younger men. Their similarly aged and older counterparts are higher genetic risks.
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Cthulhu wrote :
” When they get to their mid to late 40’s, their sperm starts to degrade.
So men’s biological clock is ticking just as quickly as women’s.”
er… doesn’t your first sentence disprove your second? A woman’s fertility being to fall at 30 and is dramatically lower by 35, while a man’s only begins to decline by 45-49.
So a man has a much longer life, and a gentler decline, than a woman. Essentially, twice as long of a reproductive lifespan.
This is part of the reason gray hair and wrinkles are a huge negative for a woman, but a neutral or even positive for men.
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GNP, I suppose you perceive an increasing chance of genetic defects as a “gentle decline” but I don’t.
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JerDogg-
“She may look okay (look at Jen Aniston in GQ at 40 years old) but a man doesn’t want his offspring to have Down’s syndrome or elf ears. Bad eggs = lower marriage value!”
I was under the impression that many men using these techniques were not necessarily searching for a family, per se, but a partner for a long-term relationship then / and / or possibly marriage, in which case the reproductive bit wouldn’t matter as much.
And it doesn’t necessarily follow that a 30s/40s woman is doomed reproductively, anyhow.
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Emma,
So all the men who like Asian women are closet gays? Ok. Sure.
Joyz,
Absolutely. It is also quite remarkable how different the standards for high status guys are in Confucian cultures. Coke-bottle glasses with the bad posture who makes algebra jokes? You remember that guy from high school? Well in China, he is the one the women compete to get. Not when they are 35, when they are 18.
Jerrdogg,
The worst prejudice I ever encountered was in Beijing, and essentially involved being insulted by a group of drunk younger guys (There were a dozen of them, so I was pretty diplomatic about it). I have been told by Chinese colleagues that they want to be rich enough to date white women – I gave them every encouragement – but none of them complained about me dating “their” women. Funnily enough, I NEVER had an issue outside Beijing. I have traveled through all of LiaoNing Province with my gf, never once had anything other than friendliness and goodwill.
*Korean men will start fights with white guys who date Korean women. Korean men will attempt to murder black guys who date Korean women and the Korean women who date the black guys*
With the exception of the 19 yo, all the women I met were either college students or worked in high stress professions: real estate, advertising, pr. These women do not seek LTRs, they want smart guys who treat them nice in public (give them face) and fuck them hard. That’s it. I have turned down students who would have been looking for LTRs because I was not that into them, and didn’t want to pump and dump them. (Well, I kinda did, but mostly stuck with women who are into the P+D)
Perhaps the greatest aspect of Confucian culture, for me, is that the guys are turned off by women who are taller than them. Chinese guys simply won’t date a woman who is taller than them; they think it is demeaning. Yee-hah. The 19 yo was about 6’1.
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“And it doesn’t necessarily follow that a 30s/40s woman is doomed reproductively, anyhow”
Yes she is. A down-syndrome baby is a nightmare for any couple. He requires the same amount of care that mybe 3 normal children would. The financial costs are also disproportional. And the risk of a down baby increases exponentially after 30. Since it goes from a low basis, it is onl after 35 that it becomes relevant. After 40, the woman becomes incapable of giving birth. In a word, menopause. I bet your nick gives your age. If it is so, it your fault if you believe in the world of sex an d the city
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roissy:
all due respect to your straining self-concept, but i guarantee i’m exponentially more sexist and misogynistic than you are. so the “fembot agitprop” thing was not only hilarious but also evidence of your inability to read women.
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Laura
If women are flaking on alphas, what’s the point about female liberation? have you read Roger Devlin’s “sexual utopian power”?
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Gig, menopause at 40?
What part of the world do you live in?
My grandmother had her youngest child, the 13th, at 46.
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gig,
maybe they’re NOT the alphas they think they are?
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2 months later she claims domestic abuse;
I’ve seen an example of this, though not relating to foreign brides. I was once detained at a police station* and overheard some ugly, bitchy-looking middle class-type woman filing a police report. She was saying something about how she wants to press charges against her husband for domestic battery.
As I overheard her explaining it, she and her husband were going through a separation and he confronted her outside of a bank where whe was making a withdrawal, and he (gasp!) grabbed her.
She had that hopeful gleam in her eye when she was asking the cop taking her repor:
“Can he be charged with violent assault? — tee hee — can we get him for battery and domestic abuse? will you guys go out and arrest him? I am so scaaaaared of going home now!”
When men do evil, they are at least cognizant of their wrongdoing, because all men except retards and sociopaths have an abstract, depersonalized sense of right and wrong. But when women do evil, like that hag at teh police station, their deeply personal and solipsistic nature will never allow her to see themselves as anything less than fully justified in destroying another human being.
* [Yes, PA has seen the business end of police handcuffs; the fuckers are tight and the bastards seem like they’re trying to dislocate your shoulders while putting them on! anyway, my offense was not extremely serious, and was more more indicative of youthful indiscretion that bad moral character. It was neither sexual nor alcohol-related in nature; and it did get me an extra point on Roissy’s SMV for Men scale!]
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Both Gig & Nicole are correct, to the extent tht on average, the older the Woman, the greater chance for her pregancy to go horribly wrong, and when it does, if can be her fault. Down’s Syndrome is such an example.
Having said that though, I think we have to allow for the fact that Black Women tend to fare better w/more and later pregancies than do White Women, again, on average. As Nicole has rightly noted, it was not and is not still, unusual at all for a Black Woman to have a kid well into her 40s, w/o incident.
O
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O – a friend of mine who reads a lot of fertility studies claims that having your first kid young, as in under 30, for some reason makes later pregnancies over 30 and even over 40 less problematic. Since many black women have their first kids younger than white women, this also is why many of them also are able to have other kids at later ages as well. He said a black woman trying to have a first kid over 40 will experience as many problems as a white woman trying to do the same.
I don’t know why this is true, or even if it is true, as I was never interested enough in the topic to double check what he was claiming. But it’s something to consider researching if interested enough.
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a friend of mine who reads a lot of fertility studies claims that having your first kid young, as in under 30, for some reason makes later pregnancies over 30 and even over 40 less problematic.
I’ve heard that a lot too.
Intuitively this makes sense on the “use it or lose it” principle.
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people already made the point that blacks tend to have a fertility that lasts longers and the benefits of early motherhood.
Laura
What about he case when a girl flakes and then calls/texts you a few days later? Maybe in the very next day? Alphaness depends on the girl’s mood?
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“This isn’t a scientific survey but this is what I’ve seen.”
Well, that certainly doesn’t carry much weight around here….
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The truth still stands. There are more spiritual minded promiscuous peple and even more animalistic ones. Both should stick with their own kind. And the gender war would cease to exist.But that won’t happen because people get off on being deceptive and sneaky. Go suck a dick A through Z. Only way you know how to get more testosterone ;-).
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kthulah,
“My grandmother had her youngest child, the 13th, at 46.”
Your grandmother is an outlier and, as O and T point out, there’s probably another factor at play. Don’t let me disturb your Gladwellian truffle hunt though.
Please do not base advice to women based on your statistically anomalous grandmother. Pregnancy is way too dangerous and risky for women in their 40’s. Late 30’s is no picnic either.
Women having children in their late 30’s+ is bad science and bad social policy. Your quest to prove women have as many options as men is thoughtless myth-making with bad consequences.
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Wounded, women may not have as many options, but neither gender’s value ends with their optimal fertility.
My grandmother may be unusual, but she’s becoming less unusual with better prenatal care.
Many women in their 40’s are quite healthy. I don’t think that’s so unusual anymore.
I’m not a SITC advocate of any sort. A woman should start early if it’s possible, but well…find a 18-25 year old these days who’s really interested in and ready for settling down.
In that, I was definitely an outlier.
I’m also giving my daughter a good dose of reality along the way about that too. So hopefully in five years or so, there’ll be another one. LOL!
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[…] to number closing, the biggest obstacle is not getting the number; it’s getting the number in such a way that minimizes the odds she will flake. I read an interesting post on the blog written by one of […]
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I resented this. Admittedly I’m still 26 and I’m not anticipating dating anymore, but I don’t think refraining from answering the phone is flaky.
I think you have to figure in not everyone being as obsessed with hooking up as you are. Especially after making them wait a few days in the classic Swingers style. Admittedly, the game is a high calling and one I admire. My gratitude that men are finially rising up to recitify the damage done by the feminist movement is…indescribable. Still, I generally view calls as an intrusion. Hence I only check missed calls once a day and messages every other.
Girls these days don’t have landlines and we’re as gifted with misplacing our cell phones as we always were at misplacing our keys. Don’t give yourself extra angst. I think the guilt trip with the number close was the only solid piece of advice here.
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It’s not just in DC.
The number of attractive women everywhere in their mid-late (yes, late) 30s who still think that they can be just as picky, treated exactly the same, and seen as just as hot as they were 15 years ago is staggering.
And then they wonder why they get passed over for a 27 yr old who trumps them in every way possible (both physically and mentally)
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[…] September 26, 2009 by Cless Alvein I have to plug this Roissy post. It’s one of the few blog posts I’ve encountered and thought: man, I couldn’t have said that any better.It’s an exceptionally good read. It is: 30 And Still Flaky. […]
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[…] September 27, 2009 by Cless Alvein I have to plug this Roissy post. It’s one of the few blog posts I’ve encountered and thought: man, I couldn’t have said that any better.It’s an exceptionally good read. It is: 30 And Still Flaky. […]
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This is the greatest blog post I’ve ever read!!!! brilliant!! Thank you! haha.
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Brilliant!
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