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Trial Texting

February 5, 2009 by CH

The phone is dead, long live the text.

For culturally paradigmatic reasons that escape my ken at the moment, speaking on the phone with a girl is going the way of the dodo. A crucial tipping point has been reached — over 50% of my contact with girls on the cell is through text instead of voice. Even when I call and leave a voicemail, she will reply via text. If you are in the market for a new carrier and rate plan, the number of bundled texts is more important than the amount of free minutes.

Texting has become an integral tool of game, so you’ve got to know how to use it to maximize your personal advantage. One of those ways is by trial texting. This is where I will send a short, casual text to a girl, making some funny, irrelevant observation about something, to test her for her level of interest in me. If you’re like me and you collect a lot of numbers, it’s in your interest to streamline operations. You don’t want to waste time and money going on first or second dates with girls who are dragging their feet because they are unsure about you. It helps to have a system whereby you can screen out the lukewarm chicks in favor of the highly attracted girls who are ready to rock down to rawdogging avenue. Trial texting is much more efficient than face-to-face dating for avoiding indecisive girls who want to dally around while they mull over your worthiness in their heads.

When you trial text a girl you will send her a feeler text either later that same night you met her, or you will send it the afternoon of the day after you went on your first date with her. Trial texting becomes pointless after the second date, because by that time your hand should be down her pants diddling her twat.

Here is an example of a trial text I have sent:

I just finished building the world’s smallest snowman.

You can use this example as a guide. Keep it short and insubstantial. You’re not asking her questions or offering a time to meet up. The relevance of your text is immaterial. I’ve found that I will get one of three reactions to a trial text.

  1. She will not reply. Don’t bother setting up a date. Her interest level isn’t strong enough. You’ve just saved an hour of your time and $20 for drinks.
  2. She will reply a few hours later, or the next day. She’s on the fence and probably dating other guys. Use your discretion to decide whether to give her the chance to enjoy the pleasure of your real live company on a date. If you’re juggling a lot of girls and getting laid already, you may want to skip these wafflers.
  3. She will reply within ten minutes. She’s into you. Take her on a date and bring a condom.

Naturally, girls will balk at this devious system because it deprives them of the dates they need to accurately assess the men they meet. But we don’t care about their goals. Men’s and women’s goals are incompatible. This is war and our job is to win, not fight to a draw or serve as pussy fodder.

Some common counterarguments to trial texting:

  • She’ll know what you’re up to.

Doesn’t matter. Girls don’t normally practice inductive reasoning. She knows what you’re up to when you’re running game, but she still likes it.

  • It’s cheesy.

If you really think about it, inserting your penis into her vagina is sort of cheesy. But both of you still want to do it.

  • She’ll think you’re beta for not having the balls to pick up the phone and call.

This is one of those claims that women *think* they should believe, but in reality don’t. I hear this assertion a lot from women on blogs and yet in the real world I rarely observe girls thinking this way. In theory, sending a feeler text is more beta than calling with a firm reason and an intention to set up a date, but in practice it works. Girls who are into you won’t wonder if your trial text is beta, and girls who aren’t into you are ambivalent for reasons that have nothing to do with your trial text.

You’ll find that girls who replied to your trial texts right away are much more enjoyable, and pliable, on dates. I have had no trouble getting these girls into bed by the third date. Girls who delayed replying to my trial texts were a more difficult ho to hoe.

Trial texting is an efficient and effective method for screening out girls who aren’t emotionally and physically anticipating the feel of your member hitting their walls and working the middle.

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  1. on February 5, 2009 at 12:13 pm kubelik

    “…inserting your penis into her vagina is sort of cheesy. But both of you still want to do it.”

    I may be the only one amused by this. but god it cracks me up

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  2. on February 5, 2009 at 12:16 pm ironrailsironweights

    Don’t send overly cutesy texts. That’s a chick thing.

    Peter

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  3. on February 5, 2009 at 12:24 pm Firepower

    Again, a perfectly true and logical analysis of an illogical behavior.

    That’s also why I’m throwing my phone in the garbage.

    stupid fexting…

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  4. on February 5, 2009 at 12:38 pm Chuck

    I think the 3 reactions are a little too hard and fast. Of course, if the chick doesn’t respond for a couple of hours, but is really apologetic for the delayed text, she could fall into datable category.

    But overall the trial text is a perfect tool. The degree to which she continues to carry on the conversation is also noteworthy. Sometimes this backfires though, as you’re only wanting to send out a quick message for a quick response, but she fires up an hour long text conversation.

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  5. on February 5, 2009 at 12:40 pm J

    If a positive reply, how long do you want to call/txt to setup a date? Day, two days?

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  6. on February 5, 2009 at 12:47 pm The G Manifesto

    This is right on target.

    I get mad amounts of phone numbers when I go number crunching and it paramount to qualify the leads.

    I pioneered “same night texting” a while back.

    A huge revolution in Game.

    Many times you can transform “same night texting” into “same night swoop”.

    – MPM

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  7. on February 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm PA

    “…inserting your pens into her vagna is sort of cheesy. But both of you still want to do it.”

    I may be the only one amused by this. but god it cracks me up

    Ben Franklin had his own thoughts on the cheesiness of intercourse: “The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.”

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  8. on February 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm sara I

    You don’t want to waste time and money going on first or second dates with girls who are dragging their feet because they are unsure about you

    Dumb chicks are better in bed I’ve heard.

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  9. on February 5, 2009 at 1:18 pm sara I

    J

    If a positive reply, how long do you want to call/txt to setup a date? Day, two days?

    Consult The Rules. You’ll be needing them for a long time.

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  10. on February 5, 2009 at 1:28 pm goldenseed

    Sarah I is probably ugly and bad in bed. dumb girls don’t read articulate blogs like this one. the bitterness is evident in the tone of her every post.

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  11. on February 5, 2009 at 1:32 pm lurker

    sara I:

    “Dumb chicks are better in bed I’ve heard.”

    —If that were true you’d be the traci lords of your town.

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  12. on February 5, 2009 at 1:44 pm i smile 2 much

    ” … common counterarguments to trial texting: She’ll know what you’re up to. ”

    But even when she does know what they’re doing…. it’s still frickin fun to see what a guy will come up with next.

    Last week I got 1 that said:

    “I can text and eat pussy at the same time.”

    If it makes a girl smile, the cheesy factor gets overruled. The bold ones never hesitate. 🙂

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  13. on February 5, 2009 at 1:46 pm sara I

    goldenseed

    dumb girls don’t read articulate blogs like this one.

    Reading this blog PROVES I’m dumb and I’m really good in bed too and I’m inarticulate as my comments prove. Where have you been?

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  14. on February 5, 2009 at 1:57 pm Alex

    The snowman text strikes me as trying too hard to be funny or zany. I fall into this trap too, as I think most literate men do; I’ll reread an email I sent to a chick (which didn’t garner the desired response) and notice that virtually every other line is some kind of overly sly witticism or absurd statement. Cumulatively, it comes across as way too much. Best to keep the bulk of your electronic conversations fairly matter-of-fact, erring on the side of less humor and less “wit.’

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  15. on February 5, 2009 at 1:58 pm Alex

    With, of course, the occasional droll gem sprinkled in there, which will sparkle all the more.

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  16. on February 5, 2009 at 2:00 pm Virgle Kent

    Man, your junx only works the middle, mine works the deep end….

    But on the real, I’ve got so much hate built up for DC girls next week will be fire, You might as well not even blog, put yo feet up, watch me beat it up

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  17. on February 5, 2009 at 2:10 pm tunacanman

    rawdawg hwy, ROFL

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  18. on February 5, 2009 at 2:11 pm Sebastian Flyte

    Interesting. Sinn says that in pickup the enemy is not getting blown out, but the ’20 minute set to nowhere’. The date to nowhere is a big problem that needs to be screened for.

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  19. on February 5, 2009 at 2:17 pm aquarius chick w/ tat

    “I can text and eat pussy at the same time.”

    My response:

    “And that’s good for me how? Since I’m getting the text.”

    But it’s a nice try. And better than average.

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  20. on February 5, 2009 at 2:30 pm sara I

    virgle kent

    But on the real, I’ve got so much hate built up for DC girls next week will be fire, You might as well not even blog, put yo feet up, watch me beat it up

    Virgle Kent; Creating more D.C. women to hate. You da man, bro. Using sex as revenge is an awesome idea! XD

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  21. on February 5, 2009 at 2:32 pm Kick a Bitch

    word… i am all about not having to listen to bitches talk. a woman’s mouth is pretty much good for only one thing: gobbling my cock

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  22. on February 5, 2009 at 2:34 pm Kick a Bitch

    ahahahahaha! VK used one of my favorite word “junx”.

    fucking AWESOME

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  23. on February 5, 2009 at 2:34 pm jkc

    beat it up, Virgle! beat it up!!!! Everyone, let’s all watch.

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  24. on February 5, 2009 at 3:25 pm Roosh

    I’ve stopped making humor in text and email because I’ve come to the conclusion that girls need facial cues to understand you’re joking. Even on the phone it’s a risk unless your joke is the obvious, radio-show kind.

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  25. on February 5, 2009 at 3:28 pm tokyojesusfist

    I’ve never liked text messaging. I associate it with teenagers.

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  26. on February 5, 2009 at 3:42 pm spaceman

    my fav is:
    stop thinking about me

    works everytime!

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  27. on February 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm kthulah

    Hmmm…this got me thinking. What texts have I received that were successful despite my better judgement?

    I could only think of one, that was from Slick:

    Are the lambs still screaming?

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  28. on February 5, 2009 at 3:57 pm Ba1anced-A Beta with Alpha Tendencies

    Do you all think that well placed emoticons in texts are beta. I don’t. I think a well placed wink definitely gets your point across. 😉

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  29. on February 5, 2009 at 2:05 pm tunacanman

    that is awesome..you meant to conclude with “hittin the middle and workin the sides”

    other then that, another perfect post!

    keep it up…

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  30. on February 5, 2009 at 4:30 pm The Man

    I stopped reading this post at: “For culturally paradigmatic reasons that escape my ken at the moment,”

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  31. on February 5, 2009 at 2:39 pm Peter

    Ben Franklin had his own thoughts on the cheesiness of intercourse: “The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.”

    Not that such thoughts got in the way. As I understand it, Ben was sort of a proto-CH, constantly adding to his notch count.

    Peter

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  32. on February 5, 2009 at 4:53 pm Lupo

    “Ben Franklin had his own thoughts on the cheesiness of intercourse: “The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.””

    Not that it maters, but that was a quote from Lord Chesterfield in his letters to his son. Highly recommended to anyone who wants proper alpha male fatherly advice. Sadly, Chesterfield outsourced raising his son to a slimy weasel, who turned his son into a fairly unspectacular individual.

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  33. on February 5, 2009 at 5:03 pm The G Manifesto

    “Do you all think that well placed emoticons in texts are beta.”

    Yes.

    Hell, I didn’t even know what a “emoticons” was until like a month ago.

    Nor do I know how to do one.

    – MPM

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  34. on February 5, 2009 at 5:07 pm Sebastian Flyte

    I hate the emotional low/high will-she-wont-she-respond between getting a number and the reaction. Oy veh. It’s a serious problem – in fact the high anticipation is as bad as the low the comes on the flake.

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  35. on February 5, 2009 at 5:10 pm Sebastian Flyte

    emoticons are essential for maintaining a teasing frame in a text, and for removing any possible negative interpretation in anything you say. use them liberally.

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  36. on February 5, 2009 at 5:14 pm Chuck

    “Do you all think that well placed emoticons in texts are beta.”

    Personally, I avoid emoticons like the plague, but texting is a poor medium for communicating sarcasm, humor, or anger so emoticons can be necessary in extreme cases.

    They can be viewed as beta in the sense that they indicate that you care how she interprets your text, but then again they may be necessary if your end goal is to get some.

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  37. on February 5, 2009 at 5:32 pm the boondocks

    bitches love smiley faces!!

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  38. on February 5, 2009 at 5:56 pm JerrDogg

    >Dumb chicks are better in bed I’ve heard.
    Back in the day I was getting around, this was NOT true. Smarter chicks usually cum more often and more intensely than dumber chicks do. I get a hell of a lot more into it as well as usually there’s some sort of verbal game going on leading up to it. They also seem to do the kegel thing a lot better which can be damn nice. My nerd fetish got so bad that I used to ask chicks what their GPA was in college within several minutes (kind of dorky but it also could be used as a playful neg). I

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  39. on February 5, 2009 at 6:00 pm JerrDogg

    Ben Franklin was the ultimate man. He even used to lift weights (before modern weightlifting) to buff up so he could get more chicks.

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  40. on February 5, 2009 at 6:14 pm kthulah

    Roosh, humor works well if the woman has a sense of humor.

    If she doesn’t, why would you want to do her anyway? So a humorous text can be a trust-issues-girl filter. If she’s got problems, she’ll assume the worst possible meaning, and if she’s cool she’ll assume the best.

    Slick sent me the lambs message because the last time before that we spoke, I negged him about the Lecter hairstyle. So he negged me about my accent and started calling me Clarice. It turned into a running gag that I remember fondly despite many reasons to forget about him.

    Humor can be a very deeply effective draw to someone who enjoys…joy. That’s the kind of woman I’d want if I was male, whether for a one nighter or more. She’d have to be at least a bit of a pleasure seeker. If she’s already got a stick up her bum, there’s no room for mine.

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  41. on February 5, 2009 at 6:16 pm Alex

    Avoid emoticons. It’s a fucking smiley face or a wink — is there any real question about its betaness? If you write something that you feel needs a smiley face to communicate effectively, either a). rephrase it so it’s less subtle, b). don’t send it at all (often the best call) or c). send it as-is, no emoticon, and if it’s misunderstood, so be it — the girl is an idiot. Most of the time it will just leave some ambiguity, which is not a bad thing at all.

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  42. on February 5, 2009 at 6:19 pm Shut In

    kthulah on February 5, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    More advice from someone who never leaves the house. Please, enough of the bullshit. Go outside for once and put the cake down for good.

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  43. on February 5, 2009 at 6:24 pm The G Manifesto

    I can’t even say the word “emoticons” without feeling like a dork.

    – MPM

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  44. on February 5, 2009 at 6:28 pm The G Manifesto

    I don’t doubt “emoticons” work though.

    It all comes down to self respect.

    There are certain lines I will not cross in order to get girls.

    For instance, I am sure if I spiked my hair, got a tribal tattoo, quit smoking, acted like a spazzy dork and wore glittery Ed Hardy shirts, I could get tons of girls in Arizona, Las Vegas, and Southern California.

    But I refuse to stoop to that level of gayness.

    Chain smoking, relaxation and Custom Suits for me.

    – MPM

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  45. on February 5, 2009 at 6:39 pm Zdeno

    The “smile” smiley face is unforgivable.

    The “tongue out” is not my style, but if it fits your personality, use it… sparingly.

    The “winky” face on the other hand, is the mark of the true player. Use it in place of periods and commas.

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  46. on February 5, 2009 at 6:45 pm Ba1anced-A Beta with Alpha Tendencies

    I hate the emotional low/high will-she-wont-she-respond between getting a number and the reaction. Oy veh. It’s a serious problem – in fact the high anticipation is as bad as the low the comes on the flake.

    I understand what you are saying Sebastian, but that is a beta move (and this is coming from a beta). It is a function of the “scarcity” mentality and a symtom of what is called “One-itis”. You as a man I presume, get “butterflies” in your stomach waiting for a specific chick’s response? I simply think its better, more masculine , and more alpha to be able to manage my emotions better than that. I always remember that establishing communition between me and a woman is about me providing her with an opportunity to really experience something good, not the opposite. If she doesn’t want to communicate, it’s her loss.

    HAHAHAHA @ the Boondocks reference. And I totally agree, Texting is Nigga (read: lazy) technology.

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  47. on February 5, 2009 at 6:45 pm The G Manifesto

    “The “winky” face on the other hand, is the mark of the true player.”

    How the hell do you do a “winky” face?

    – MPM

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  48. on February 5, 2009 at 6:48 pm The G Manifesto

    “I hate the emotional low/high will-she-wont-she-respond between getting a number and the reaction. Oy veh. It’s a serious problem – in fact the high anticipation is as bad as the low the comes on the flake.”

    Yeah, I would say don’t get too wrapped up on a girl that you just got her number.

    The exception:

    A girl that is the daughter of the richest buisnessman of an Eastern Block country, who is beautiful and bisexual.

    Still, don’t act like your wrapped up.

    – MPM

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  49. on February 5, 2009 at 6:48 pm Zdeno

    Roosh is correct that trying to be funny in texts is counterproductive, since there is a 9/10 chance she won’t get the joke and just think you’re weird. I’ll take that even further:

    Stop trying to be funny, period. Save your jokes for your buddies, or comments on subversive blogs.

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  50. on February 5, 2009 at 7:02 pm kthulah

    Zdeno, I disagree, but then I’m a girl and, as keeps being repeated, fat…and a bit butch in some ways.

    I don’t find dead serious as attractive as clever humor. One is “thud” and the other is “tickle”.

    Maybe it depends on the kind of rapport one has with the woman at the initial meeting.

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  51. on February 5, 2009 at 7:29 pm Anon2

    There is nothing more unattractive than a grown man, over say 30, sending these types of text: r u goin out 2 the brs 2nit? kewl.

    Really? Come on. Same goes for grown men who don’t punctuate properly (or at all).

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  52. on February 5, 2009 at 7:47 pm Colin Bowel

    There is nothing lamer than someone who is so anal that they take the time to carefully craft & punctuate a fucking phone text message. It’s not a goddamn thesis paper, it’s a quick one-liner that will hopefully be answered with another one-liner, ultimately leading to getting the girl drunk on a couch somewhere.

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  53. on February 5, 2009 at 7:51 pm Anon2

    Anal vs sounding like a lame old man trying to be kewl.

    Hmmm hard choice.

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  54. on February 5, 2009 at 7:54 pm Anon2

    “Are you heading to the bars later?” takes less than extra 10 seconds to type (or at least it does for the nonretards).

    Slobs and lazy men are not hot.

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  55. on February 5, 2009 at 7:58 pm tokyojesusfist

    Colin Bowel

    There is nothing lamer than someone who is so anal that they take the time to carefully craft & punctuate a fucking phone text message.

    Hell yeah bro, I too am 2 cool 4 skool to write properly. Nothing wets a woman faster than “lol wut r u doin 2nite kthnxbai.”

    But yeah, you’re just making weird excuses for laziness. Just because it’s a text message doesn’t mean you have to talk like you’re from the Internet (as in mentally challenged).

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  56. on February 5, 2009 at 6:36 pm editor

    i know a lot of PUAs like sean messenger are big fans of the light, flirty texts with ample smilies, but i’ve stopped using emoticons in my texts. i can’t escape the suspicion that they come across needy, and more importantly i *feel* like a dork when i use them. i’m a growed up man for chrissakes.

    if the meaning of a text can’t be sufficiently deduced without an emoticon, i reword it. or i stop myself from sending it. in fact, you could call it emoticon game. if an emoticon is needed, it’s probably beta.

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  57. on February 5, 2009 at 8:39 pm Anon2

    Ok I realize I sounded like an uptight beyotch.

    I’m all for shorthand with your friends, but if you don’t want to risk turning a woman off you don’t know, only use it sparingly at first.

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  58. on February 5, 2009 at 9:24 pm Anon2

    OT: I’m afraid that men who believe only older women are made fun of for being delusional.

    I present to you “trouts””an older man who chases younger women or to be younger and swim upstream”

    http://thedirty.com/?cat=11

    I hope it catches on. Karma boys.

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  59. on February 5, 2009 at 10:10 pm amanda

    best text ever (from a guy who’s a solid 9): what’re ya doing? thinking about hanging out with me, i hope.

    worked like a charm. it was sent at 1 am, and i responded within 5 minutes.

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  60. on February 5, 2009 at 10:12 pm ResidentCynic

    Virgile, give us a sneak peek!

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  61. on February 5, 2009 at 10:19 pm Chuck

    amanda,

    if he’s a solid 9 he probably could have said anything and you’d have responded in 5 minutes. you’re missing the point. most guys, well about 90%, don’t have that luxury, so we have to resort to tactical warfare to get you to respond in a timely fashion.

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  62. on February 5, 2009 at 10:22 pm Suburban Sweetheart

    I despise talking on the phone & am beyond glad that texting has become socially acceptable dating/hookup intro. That said, this is an interesting post because I think girls think they’re supposed to think the other way around when it comes to #s 2 & 3 — that #3 means you’re overeager and that #2 means you’re playing it cool. Often, girls who are into you will wait a few hours or a day to respond because they don’t want to look too slutty or eager.

    Also, you can’t possibly have been building any snowman at all, as we got a whopping quarter of an inch of snow – last week. If the smallest snowman ever is a nonexistent one, you win.

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  63. on February 5, 2009 at 10:35 pm Keith

    “and more importantly i *feel* like a dork when i use them. i’m a growed up man for chrissakes.”

    You crossed that line and dove into girlyland long ago with your flaky mcflakester bit. You turned yourself into a pussy to get pussy. Make you peace with it.

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  64. on February 6, 2009 at 12:33 am Tupac Chopra

    It pains me to say it, but I think Keith has a point.

    Just sayin’.

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  65. on February 6, 2009 at 1:21 am Anonymous

    sara I

    Dumb chicks are better in bed I’ve heard.

    Don’t know about that. Chicks who are good in bed are kind of rare, smart or dumb. It has more to do with muscle tone, I think. Brains are pretty much irrelevant to the physical sensation.

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  66. on February 6, 2009 at 1:23 am J in DC

    human messengers > phone > SMS > Facebook

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  67. on February 6, 2009 at 1:58 am PatRIOT

    Forget skanky, stupid, shallow, and emotionally damaged bar chicks for a while guys…we American males have a country we need to take back from the financial Zio-bloodsuckers – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36yibpLUek&feature=channel_page

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  68. on February 6, 2009 at 2:20 am GOOD PORN

    No Sara I – the eyes of women in porn are not always “dead” as you wrote before; a lot of them really enjoy making porn…some like it a WHOLE lot – http://www.redtube.com/21057

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  69. on February 6, 2009 at 2:27 am Anonymous

    Suburban Sweetheart

    I despise talking on the phone & am beyond glad that texting has become socially acceptable dating/hookup intro.

    Typical vapid woman who can’t even carry on a conversation, so has to use the standard 12-year-old method of communication.

    “Like, OMG, I can’t think of what to say when I hear a spoken sentence! I’ll just text ‘ur so cute’ and that will express my inchoate thoughts as well as the depth of my intellect.”

    Sheesh, why don’t these women just grunt and remove their pants when they feel that special tingle?

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  70. on February 6, 2009 at 5:39 am davethebuilder

    oh, and emoticons are for chicks…knock that off, men. The beauty about game is that you are mere direct in a stylish way. Girls don’t want guys stumbling and waffling about the most important part of their lives.
    And a chick’s love life is #1 in their lives. You have to push and pull them simultaneously, letting them know you have the balls to bang them and letting them know they are only one choice for you and if you choose them, they are lucky.

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  71. on February 6, 2009 at 4:38 am stagetwo

    trial texting is a useful concept. i think CH is right, by and large, about the implications of response latency with respect to her level of interest.

    on the other hand, game is about *creating* attraction and interest. this post seems to assume her interest is a constant to be measured. this is the opposite of *game*, where her interest will depend on our communication.

    can’t we do both: stoke and test her interest in a single communication?

    –stagetwo

    ps: i think emoticons may be used to good effect by those who cultivate this form of expression. personally, i do not like them at all: they suggest a partial withdrawal of a claim. also: they relieve the reader from deeply processing the message. a joke should work because the sender correctly assesses that the receiver will get it.

    they’re like the soundtrack of a hollywood movie: telling you what to feel directly — so you don’t have to follow the story. an effective way to smooth the experience, i guess.

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  72. on February 6, 2009 at 6:53 am Sebastian Flyte

    Ba1anced

    I agree that both hope and despair are terrible emotions to have with a girl (hope for what may be, despair when it doesnt work out), but I can’t ferret them out, I cant become outcome independent no matter what I do. I think I’ve too much time on my hands. For example, I texted a polish girl asking her out and she responded with ‘that would b nice’. These four stupid words provided me with a disturbing cocaine hit of elation, which reminded me just how outcome attached I am. goddamnit.

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  73. on February 6, 2009 at 5:31 am davethebuilder

    “a difficult ho to hoe”; I love it. CH is deadon about texting. I am 48, very new to learning game, as in the past, I have used “natural alpha” to meet and seduce women. Now every chick is all about texting, and if you are interesting enough, they save the text and ponder it for hours, before composing a reply.
    Great post

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  74. on February 6, 2009 at 10:42 am Anonymous

    These four stupid words provided me with a disturbing cocaine hit of elation, which reminded me just how outcome attached I am. goddamnit.

    You’re human, hooray! That elation is part of the human-interaction experience. Don’t try to extinguish it.

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  75. on February 6, 2009 at 10:57 am Thursday

    I agree that both hope and despair are terrible emotions to have with a girl (hope for what may be, despair when it doesnt work out), but I can’t ferret them out, I cant become outcome independent no matter what I do.

    You don’t want these emotions to ever _totally_ go away, but there is one cure for these kinds of extremes: experience. The more you have, the more managable your emotions become.

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  76. on February 6, 2009 at 11:12 am Thursday

    i’ve stopped using emoticons in my texts.

    I only use the wink. It’s very useful, especially when you’ve just written something really arrogant.

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  77. on February 6, 2009 at 11:15 am kh

    emoticons should not be used by men or women, period.

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  78. on February 6, 2009 at 11:17 am Thursday

    Another good cure for emotional extremes is just to go out and do more approaches. It’s amazing how your neediness just plummets from the mere act of talking to another girl. Approaching another girl gives you a tangible reminder that there is not only one girl in the world. This is why it is important to have a mall or bookstore or somewhere else convenient you can go virtually anytime to do approaches.

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  79. on February 6, 2009 at 12:00 pm Ba1anced-A Beta with Alpha Tendencies

    I’m in this phase too and I have seen that I’m less emotionially invested in the women I just meet. Going ga ga for a stranger seems so feminine and beta. Men shouldn’t have crushes, because they should be going after who they want.

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  80. on February 6, 2009 at 12:15 pm Comment_Anon2


    OT: I’m afraid that men who believe only older women are made fun of for being delusional.

    I present to you “trouts””an older man who chases younger women or to be younger and swim upstream”

    Men’s peak is much, much later than womens.

    I got moderate, occasional immediate interest from women in my early 20s. Nothing special.

    When I reached my late 20s, I started getting intense interest occassionally without me even doing anything. This has gotten better, much better after I hit 30.

    So even in raw looks, many men will get better into their 30s.

    And since their confidence and steadiness is probably also going up, they go up another notch in immediate appeal as well.

    I look back at the reactions I got pre-30 and post-30 and there is an extreme difference.

    Really, men don’t peak, barring excessive weight gain, until…. well, I’ll let you know when the interest starts waning.

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  81. on February 6, 2009 at 12:28 pm Thursday

    RE: The Trout Thing

    Im in my mid-thirties, but look a lot younger than my age and thus tend to take a lot of shit from women my age or even slightly younger than me. Even 27-28 year olds. It can get really annoying. I tend to get the best reactions from women 23-26, so, hey, there are worse problems.

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  82. on February 6, 2009 at 11:10 am editor

    but there is one cure for these kinds of extremes: experience.

    that’s the long term cure.
    there’s a short term panacea as well — nothing helps maintain state control better than having options. if you’re calling ten different girls for dates, your hope n’ despair will be spread thinly across all of them, ensuring each girl has less power over your emotions.

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  83. on February 6, 2009 at 11:49 am Ba1anced-A Beta with Alpha Tendencies

    CH and Thursday are absolutely correct. You need more options and experience Sebastian. Be “rejected” or “accepted” so many times that…it really doesn’t matter…….because it doesn’t.

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  84. on February 6, 2009 at 3:18 pm gig

    Just a personal story: in my faculty, where I am graduate student, there is only one single professor. We (I and my friends here) considered him a possible gay until he banged the hottest graduate student here.

    SO we have this: the guy came from a middle class background and his current income puts him in the upper middle class. He is BALD, meaning, he´s got that friar´s crown. He is not attractive, just a regular guy, but he walks in an alpha way, while most professors absolutely dorks. He is thin, maybe 22 23 BMI. And the guy is extremely inteligent (Chicago PHD in econ). Maybe 35 years old. He is considered by the girls the hottest guy in the entire econ department. Including students. He is special because his profession gives him access to girls in the 18-20 age bracket, that most men lose when they approach 30. But we have a case where : professional success + self confidence + small effort to keep weight makes age and baldness irrelevant. Excluding the access to teen girls, I think his case is a perfect example of how age/appearance don´t matter for a man once he secures upper middle class income AND the self-confidence that comes together . A guy that was certainly a nerd in college who became an super-alpha after 30. All he needed was an upper middle class income + confidence + control weight.

    To give the female version, we have also a 24 year old girl, the most inteligent in the graduate class,who could go to the PHD in Harvard or MIT if she wanted, who denied a job for the World Bank in Washington, a 9 by any standard, an uber-hot girl, who won´t go to the PHD because she thinks that 5 years in the US will devalue her so much in the sexual market that she won´t be able to score anything better than her current boyfriend. .

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  85. on February 6, 2009 at 3:23 pm johnny five

    There is nothing lamer than someone who is so anal that they take the time to carefully craft & punctuate a fucking phone text message.

    it goes without saying that this must be calibrated to the intelligence level of the girl receiving the message.

    smart girls will generally dismiss out of hand text messages that contain any internet-type abbreviations.
    what’s more, i’ve even gotten instant responses from cute nerdy girls who were absolutely delighted at my having used semicolons, parentheses, and the like.

    on the other hand, while abbreviations are still, as usual, a bad idea, you should tone down the punctuation with dumber girls.

    —

    finally:

    do not use emoticons with smart girls. because they’re smart, they’ll be better able to detect wit, irony, etc. without guideposts. the emoticons can only hurt your case.
    with dumber girls, use emoticons early and often.

    you’d be surprised at some girls’ COMPLETE INABILITY to detect even the most blatant irony, sarcasm, or cheekiness in a text message.
    in fact, as i discover over and over, just as many women are asperger-level horrible at written communication as men at face-to-face (sub)communication. ignore this at your peril.

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  86. on February 6, 2009 at 6:09 pm Ben

    I just think there are certain things men shouldn’t do in life, and using emoticons is one of them.

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  87. on February 6, 2009 at 6:49 pm Anon2

    Comment_Anon2 and Thursday.

    Same with me. My late 20’s and 30’s were/are the best I’ve ever done and I’m female.

    So either I’m delusion, you are, we all are or we are outliers.

    Or we could all be in denial…

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  88. on February 6, 2009 at 11:20 pm finefantastic

    I send texts scented with hibiscus and ylang ylang.

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  89. on February 6, 2009 at 11:28 pm Dizzy

    They’re texting you because you’re second string. If she liked you or wanted anything from you, she’d call. Obviously she has your number (game has been out there long enough that all but the dumbest 15 year olds know the patterns). Or, maybe you’re too old to keep her interest?

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  90. on February 6, 2009 at 11:44 pm Jack

    Yeah, Dizzy, because no guys in their 30’s get women.

    Projection, much?

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  91. on February 6, 2009 at 11:55 pm Jack

    I got a decent amount of interest in early 20’s. Less in mid-late 20’s, but more now at 30.

    Now i gotta figure out which girl gets the award of being my barristers ball date.

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  92. on February 7, 2009 at 12:05 pm Silver Lone Wolf

    Sprinkle in a few….

    “I need to fuck your pussy”

    This is sorta of a smart-bomb that explodes slowly and is impossible to diffuse…

    It sets off a chain reaction that includes

    -Was this text in error?
    -Is he w/another girl?
    -Is he that confident?
    -Is he psycho?
    -He’s not as “…….” as I thought
    -Should l I respond??

    If you do this with 10% of texts it reveals her hand instantly and is quite entertaining…

    Remember Womens surveys reveal their #1 fear is that a guy is boring….not dangerous

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  93. on February 7, 2009 at 12:12 pm livingit

    Men don’t use emoticons. Use the wink on occasion as it conjures up a lot of emotion and energy-think about being winked at it real life by an interested party-very cool.

    I am 49 date 24 year olds-texting is a must but if an exchange gets confusing call to clarify-it usually leads to the MEAT of an issue and brings things to a new level.

    Trial texting is a good idea-like marketing-right message at right time to test the market. Don’t be afraid to try a variety of types of messages. The trial texts which show her you listened about something of interest in her world can work wonders-especially if phrased in a way where she feels like she can help you. The goal is to get a positive response.

    The trial text in the communication realm is equal to the trial hand hold. If nothing back or pulls away-move on, if a little grab-maybe something keep moving the hand and see the response, immediate squeeze with her responding and moving the hand, all is free.

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  94. on February 7, 2009 at 9:37 pm jim

    @gig

    you’re at princeton, and the person you’re talking about is sam, right?

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  95. on February 8, 2009 at 3:55 pm sara I

    Good Porn

    No Sara I – the eyes of women in porn are not always “dead” as you wrote before; a lot of them really enjoy making porn…some like it a WHOLE lot –

    You’re talking about extremely unnatural women who are good actresses. All women are great actresses in their own way. Ever notice how they can go from emotionally devastated to the Nordstrom Rack shoe department and come out a new woman? Or how they can fake orgasms at a moments notice? The one’s who “really enjoy making porn” are hugely fake and you’re falling for it.

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  96. on February 8, 2009 at 3:56 pm sara I

    P.S to Good Porn

    I’m not clicking on the link for two reasons: #1 I don’t want to risk getting a virus. #2 Porn is disgusting.

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  97. on February 9, 2009 at 3:23 am johnny five

    sara I

    The one’s who “really enjoy making porn” are hugely fake and you’re falling for it.

    sara i, these girls do exist.

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  98. on February 12, 2009 at 2:06 am Mason

    “sara i, these girls do exist.” — j5

    One example — Jenna Jameson. In her autobiography she mentions that fucking her husband Jay was more enjoyable on the porn set than back at home, where she was much more self-conscious.

    That said, the primary appeal seems to be the idea of being fantasized about by millions of men rather than the actual in-studio sex itself.

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  99. on February 16, 2009 at 1:34 pm HB

    Trial text? Hilarious–I just finished telling my guy friend the exact same thing. This dude texted me and I totally waited three hours until I replied. I’m not into him but don’t want him to think I’m a bitch if I see him again.

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  100. on March 25, 2010 at 12:28 pm Text Game | PUA Lingo

    […] Trial Texting – A good technique for gauging interest over text Grow Your Game: […]

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  101. on April 21, 2010 at 2:11 am gameon

    Hmm a day later reply lol.

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  102. on July 2, 2010 at 12:20 pm azuzuru

    I’ve gone the full circle on texts through a few years of field testing. From grammatically correct, light and funny with emoticons, random trial texts, terse, bad grammar, everything.

    What I’ve found works best: spelling mistakes/no puncuation shorter is better no emoticons no question marks even if youre asking a question (which you should do only rarly).

    I think this works because it communicates low investment in the interaction and gets women chasing to raise your investment.

    Vary your response time. Sometimes respond immediately, sometimes take a few hours, sometimes don’t respond.

    Show indeterminate investment and keep ’em guessing. They love that.

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  103. on August 29, 2010 at 5:23 pm Bobby Rio

    To the guy above me… don’t do it. You’ve got to hold some moral ground.

    I just got back from banging an old flame… and then, on Facebook she just posted her wedding pictures… from a few months before i banged her.

    I felt like shit seeing her clueless husband…

    And, i have to say, my trust in women has diminished.

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  104. on March 7, 2011 at 1:37 am abhistud

    “Canary meat tastes funny”
    will pique her up….

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