Back by popular demand…
In the last installment, I analyzed the game Rhett runs on Scarlett. This time it’s the game Paul Newman, in the character of Hud, uses to seduce Alma (Patricia Neal).
This scene is between Hud and Alma, his family’s housekeeper, and it’s the first time in the movie Hud makes a pass at her. Hud is a classic badboy in this movie, and Alma does a good job resisting his devilish charms. My comments are in bold.
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HUD: Got a cigarette?
[alpha body language straight from the get-go. slow, heavy steps on the approach. both his arms up and hands leaning against the door frame. forceful tone of voice. this is the entrance of an alpha. a woman will know she’s not about to suffer the entreaties of a beta.]
ALMA: Yeah.
HUD: I wish you wouldn’t keep me hanging around on the front porch make me feel like I’m selling something.
[first qualification. with a dash of playful humor, he lets her know he’s unimpressed with her rudeness for not promptly inviting him into the room. really, any excuse will do to qualify a woman.]
ALMA: All right, come on in. They’re a little squashed.
HUD: It’s all right. They’ll do. I see you got things fixed up some.
[betas are overly attentive. alphas are distracted. hud glances around the room as he grabs the cigarettes from her.]
ALMA: I try.
HUD: Looks pretty good, except your sweet potato plant over here has got the blight.
[compliment, followed immediately by mild criticism. remember that formula.]
ALMA: I can’t seem to get one started.
HUD: They need a lot of tender loving care, honey, same as the rest of us.
[an alpha gets the conversation rolling in a sexual/sensual manner sooner rather than later.]
ALMA: I’ll keep it in mind. Could I have a match?
[notice he doesn’t rush to fulfill her request. she walks to him to get the match, and he almost flings it into her hand. DHV.]
HUD: Well, what have we got here? “Jiffy Portable Hairdryer.” “Triple screen.” Automatic toaster. So what’ve you been doin’, a little rustlin’ down at the five and dime?
[NEG #1. making fun of her stuff.]
ALMA: I go in for those prize contests. “How Shinette Shampoo changed my life,” in twenty words or less. They give free two week trips to Europe. But I end up with the fountain pens and the binoculars.
HUD: Won me a turkey raffle once, but it was fixed. I got to be pretty friendly with one of them gals picking the numbers.
[if you can’t physically demonstrate social proof and preselection by women, the next best thing is to offhandedly hint at it in conversation. the way to do this is to ground your verbalized social proof with a backstory so it sounds natural and unforced.]
ALMA: It figures.
HUD: How much you take the boys for tonight?
[notice the change of voice tone. hud lowered the volume and pitch of his voice while he’s distractedly (and seductively) fondling a flower. women are not the only ones who can flirt with the use of props. also: CONTRAST IS KING. playing with a flower is femme, but hud is dripping with so much masculinity that the flower intensifies his allure.]
ALMA: Twenty dollars and some change.
HUD: You’re a dangerous woman to have around.
ALMA: I’m a good poker player.
HUD: You’re a good housekeeper. You’re a good cook. You’re a good laundress. What else you good at?
[when alma says she’s a good poker player, the typical beta, because he is bereft of interesting things to say or the confidence with which to lead a conversation in new directions, would have jumped at the “beta bait” and attempted to capitalize on her measly offering by asking her about her poker skills. an alpha, otoh, uses what a woman says as a springboard to talk about whatever the fuck he feels like talking about. it’s the art of riffing. here, hud challenges her. the challenge is part of the stage of attraction known as “male to female” interest. instead of proving himself to her, he’s coaxing her to prove herself to him. and all with a sly smile.]
ALMA: At taking care of myself.
[nice IOD. this chick is not going to be steamrolled.]
HUD: Shouldn’t have to, a woman looks like you do.
[if you’re going to compliment a woman’s looks, this is a good way to do it — in context. and he’s got his lips on that flower like it’s a labia.]
ALMA: That’s what my ex-husband used to tell me, before he took my wallet, my gasoline credit card and left me stranded in a downtown motel in Albuquerque New Mexico.
HUD: What you do to make him take to the hills? You wear your curlers to bed or something?
[NEG #2. this could come across harsh, which is why it helps to say it with a shit eating grin, as hud does here.]
ALMA: Ed’s a gambler. He’s probably up at Vegas or Reno right now, dealing at night, losing it all back in the daytime.
HUD: A man like that sounds no better than a heel.
[ex-husband destroyer.]
ALMA: Aren’t you all?
[she plays the game well.]
HUD: Honey, don’t go shooting all the dogs ’cause one of ’em’s got fleas.
[nice. hud nips her pity ploy in the bud by turning it around on her with a mild rebuke. a beta would have vigorously agreed with her and given her a david alexander-style soft hug and a shoulder to cry on. btw, “honey” is a great way to address a woman when the moment is right. it’s a subtle dominance maneuver that chicks eat up.]
ALMA: I was married to Ed for six years. Only thing he was ever good for was to scratch my back where I couldn’t reach it.
[pause. hud looks her up and down. doesn’t matter if she notices or not. an alpha does these little behavioral things for himself as much as for the woman.]
HUD: You still got that itch?
ALMA: Off and on.
[hud: grin, draw on cig, flower sniff, grin more. nothing is rushed in alphaland.]
HUD: Well, let me know when it gets to bothering you.
[pause. pause. pause. tension. tension. unbroken eye contact. tension building up to the edge of discomfort. unwavering smile half-hidden provocatively by flower AKA labia petals, then… BOOM… hud lowers his smile and flower instantly and — this is important — EXITS FIRST. no lingering for a response. no needy anticipation for her reaction. no goodbye. just gets up off the bed and leaves her to be washed away in the cascading torrent of her lube deluge. that was the money shot. the killer move that greases the skids for a future seduction.]
Next week: How to game Cigstache.
Note, however, that Alma is quite a bit older than Hud and of no more than average attractiveness. He surely could have gotten a more desirable woman.
Hud’s character was actually written to be the movie’s villian. To the great surprise of the screenwriters and producers, however, audiences treated him as a hero.
Peter
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Forget these fake playactors, the true alpha is this babyfaced kid right here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece
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cigstache is unable to be gamed. her raw and pulsating sexuality will destroy any man that comes into contact with it, like icarus flying too close to the sun, or sticking your dick into a blender.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece
^ The 13 year old kid knocking up some chick isn’t anything new. He just looks like he’s 8. Happens all the time with little black boys in America.
His dad who has NINE kids thinks the kid is a pussy:
“He could have shrugged his shoulders and sat at home on his Playstation. But he has been at the hospital every day.”
BTW, they’re all on welfare.
Welcome to the western welfare state where EVERY single male who works for living is treated like a BETA and forced to pay child support, for some other alpha’s kids, through taxes.
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I love these blog posts.
Good stuff!
Here’s my contribution of an alpha opener:
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Hud actually first hands Alma a dead match, a playful jerk move.
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Step 1. Look like Paul Newman!
Alma was probably checking him out from the get go. Paulie did a good job of NOT SCREWING IT UP. Great scene from a great movie.
(If you turned this into a youtube snippets of classic movies-site, I’d still come…)
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“ALMA: I’ll keep it in mind. Could I have a match?
“[notice he doesn’t rush to fulfill her request. she walks to him to get the match, and he almost flings it into her hand. DHV.]”
Dude!!!! First he gave her the match he had just used and extinquished!!! So he gave her a match, but it was perfectly useless for the purpose for which it was asked for, plus it might have still been a bit hot and painful to the touch, yet he dropped it right into her outstretched hand. Then, and only then, after she stood there waiting for a moment, he gave her the matchbook. What a wise-guy. What a prick, how anti-beta, keeping her on her toes; it’s all his frame, all him.
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“Welcome to the western welfare state where EVERY single male who works for living is treated like a BETA and forced to pay child support, for some other alpha’s kids, through taxes.”
It won’t last all that much longer. The system is in a slow motion train wreck. Many of these welfare leeches will die, Thank God. And I’m going to enjoy every single death of these useless feeders I see and hear about. PS Hide your money. It isn’t too late.
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Oh yeah, I remember this movie. Later on she throws his sorry ass OUT and he has a total meltdown from the rejection. Nice example, roissy.
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You forgot the 10 alpha steps a la cook…
gaming cigstache…
approach:
(a)purchase twinkie
(b)open twinkie in front of her
(c) put twinkie in pants…
and its on!
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btw, Patricia Neal and I are the same personality type. I know roissy would be intrigued with that.
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“Later on she throws his sorry ass OUT and he has a total meltdown from the rejection.”
Just about every hollywood movie with an alpha figure ends with him becoming a pussy, or getting rejected. That’s just tinseltown’s moralizing. How Hud is in the rest of the movie is irrelevant to Roissy’s goal, demoing the nature of a confident man.
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Oh yeah, I remember this movie. Later on she throws his sorry ass OUT and he has a total meltdown from the rejection.
More specifically, Alma throws Hud out after he tries to rape her.
Peter
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Oh yeah, I remember this movie. Later on she throws his sorry ass OUT and he has a total meltdown from the rejection.
More specifically, Alma throws Hud out after he tries to rape her.
Peter
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As BasilRansom says, Hud shakes out the match and hands it to Alma, then gives her the book of matches. A beta would have lit her cigarette for her.
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Man, I love the “Great Scenes” threads. This one was even better than the last one.
Additionally, why would anyone want to game cigstache? I fear “she” will become a horrible spectre of this blog, forever haunting us with her grody ‘stache and thousand-yard stare…
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I don’t see how any of this matters since there is no real definition for alpha or beta. It’s all whatever you want it to be, or how you imagine it should be.
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@tokyo
This isn’t fantasy-land, dude. These things are pretty black and white. And if the world as you think it “should be” entails non-dominant (see: Beta) males triumphing like in the movies, and nabbing the prettiest girl in town while the dominant, confident asshole (see: Alpha) goes sad and lonely, then I’ve two words:
Grow up.
That’s not how the world works.
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Great (and funny) analysis. But also great Method writing and great Method acting in the movie.
And yet more proof of something I like to argue: that more guys ought to take a few years of acting class. Even if you have no talent and no real interest, you’ll learn a lot about how to think on your feet, read behavior, keep moving a scene forward …
Plus girls in acting classes can be loads of fun.
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I’ve known women like Cigstache back in my white trash days, living in the South, working in restaurants. Assuming she’s not retarded, she is probably a cool broad.
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This is why I love classic films as a source for great masculine role models ’cause back in the day they didn’t have to rely on special fx to move a story forward and they didn’t have as many fags and betas writing scripts.
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Alma is already sexually attracted to Hud – he’s taking advantage. When he gives her a ride home, she gives him a massive IOI about him seeing “Truman Peters’ wife.”
After their roughhousing, she tells him at the bus stop “It would’ve happened eventually – you look pretty good without your shirt on” and how she dropped the dishes more than once at the sight of him.
Hot alphas have it easy
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I wonder if it matters what women think of you if you know you’re 100% beta seeking their approval so much that you’ll spend hours contemplating and honing your approach and technique for interacting with them.
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I wonder if it matters what prospective customers think of you if you know you’re 100% seeking their business so much that you’ll spend hours contemplating and honing your approach and technique for pitching your product to them.
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THE DERB HIMSELF just linked to this blog from NRO.
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Sean
Yeah, I can see how things must look black and white to you, since apparently the only modes of behavior that exist are a) douchebag pseudo-alpha, and b) cowering beta. The notion that there could be any gray area between the two is, of course, completely preposterous.
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“Yeah, I can see how things must look black and white to you, since apparently the only modes of behavior that exist are a) douchebag pseudo-alpha, and b) cowering beta. The notion that there could be any gray area between the two is, of course, completely preposterous.”
Keep telling yourself that.
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Definition of Alpha: The set of traits that increases mate value.
Definition of Beta: The set of traits that decreases mate value.
There is a continuous spectrum between these two. This is really very simple.
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I will because it’s the truth. This isn’t black and white.
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“I will because it’s the truth. This isn’t black and white.”
Self-delusionial.
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TJF is a Broken Record
People just randomly point at things and arbitrarily decide that this or that is alpha or beta. There’s usually no rhyme or reason to it. The way people use the terms also varies, because some people might say “this guy is a beta because he has low mate value” whereas someone else would say “this guy is a beta because he has a funny hat and I need to feel superior to someone.”
There’s almost always the spoken or unspoken assumption that an “alpha” person is inherently a better human being than a “beta” person.
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Grow the Fuck Up
Again, it’s just the truth. I’m really sorry if you can’t handle it.
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Worshiping the GNP: beyond Alpha.
Peter
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Part of being an Alpha is determining what is Alpha, and what is Beta.
That, and well, swooping mad amounts of fly girls.
– MPM
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Roissy:
this chick is not going to be steamrolled.
First of all, Hud is a great movie, so once again may I commend your good taste. Your example though goes to show that, even if women all like game, some of the good ones can ultimately resist it, especially if they have been burned once before. BTW Megan McArdle has an article on how she found players quite amusing, but never actually went to bed with any of them.
Michael:
Nice suggestion.
A lot of pick up instructors (including Cajun, Tenmagnet, Brad P, Mehow, Sinn) all heavily recommend that people take improv classes. Next to reading actual pick up material and practicing it, doing improv is the best thing you can do to improve your game.
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So you’ve backpedal’d from ‘these terms have no meaning’ to ‘some people use the terms incorrectly’. I’m glad you agree with me. Now please, stop bothering us.
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It’s really a great disservice to my generation that our on-screen role models are uniformly such pussies. Who’s a modern day role model in film for a young man?
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THE DERB HIMSELF just linked to this blog from NRO.
For the benefit of any NRO readers who come across this site for the first time:
GNP = Glorious Natural Pelt, the most wonderful and delicious part of a woman’s body. It is far superior to the hideous pedophilic Bald Eagle.
Peter
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tokyoanalfisted, go back to playing with your Asian chicks, you beta loser.
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Keep this series coming. Classic.
I wonder how all the beta film theory professors weep at your superior analysis.
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Rhett wins.
Newman smiles too much, the way he lies on the couch is very effeminate, and Scarlett is way hotter.
The Dane Cook clip is good. His stand-up isn’t terrible (despite the legions of bandwagon haters) but I would lay money Dane Cook has great game.
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Who’s a modern day role model in film for a young man?
Anyone in almost any fast-food, car, office supplies, or beer commercial who isn’t a white guy.
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TJF is a Broken Record
Where did I backpedal or agree with you?
Bwahaha
Did you end up here because you got lost on your way to the playground? Try harder.
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This is so fun!
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tokyojesusfist: First, you reveal the fact that you have not actually read anything about game in claiming that alpha and beta traits are “arbitrarily” decided. In fact, alpha traits and beta traits are quite well established, agreed upon widely, and all based on fairly sound evolutionary psychology/sociobiology, in addition to massive anecdotal (one might even call it ‘anthropological’) data.
However, you’re right about there being a grey areas between alpha and beta. As TJF is a Broken Record says, there is a spectrum. Roissy did quite a good break down of this spectrum here: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/.
You’ll notice there are 9 points on the spectrum from the dregs to super alpha.
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First statement:
Second statement:
Like I said, you backpedaled from “there is no definition”, to “some people use the terms incorrectly”. I agree that some people use the terms incorrectly. Most don’t. We are in agreement.
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“Who’s a modern day role model in film for a young man?”
Nobody. Our generation has no Paul Newmans or Robert Redfords. There aren’t scenes like this one in “Hud” anymore because it’s deemed too offensive to women, although the lady in the scene handles herself pretty well, and coddles weaker men who may feel threatened by a man like Hud.
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Again, it’s just the truth. I’m really sorry if you can’t handle it.
Don’t be sorry for someone over the internet, it is beta behavior. And good luck. You’re gonna need it.
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Larry Auster once made an astute onservation that in nearly all love scenes in contemporary movies show the woman exclusively on top.
Personally I’ve got nothing against that (or other) positions but infer what you will from this pattern in today’s movies.
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Actually, there are at least some decent role models in movies or tv shows that take place in inner cities (Never Die Alone or The Wire or Belly or something).
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Anon78
I’ve spent enough time reading this blog and similiar sites to see a clear pattern.
And yet this information is ignored in favor of pressing issues like “is Coca-Cola more alpha than Pepsi?”
TJF is a Broken Record
I actually said “the way people use the terms also varies.”
Grow the Fuck Up
For what purpose do I need luck?
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“Prison Break” also had very good role models for men, showing how to be the strong and silent type, and also how to negotiate through a purely machiavellan environment (if you saw last year’s season, which was set in a Panamanian prison)
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Seeking Alpha
As I recall, the protagonist of Never Die Alone is a huge twat.
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I thought the movie 9 1/2 weeks pretty much summed up my approach:
1. Make her always look up at you so she notices the height
2. Smile
3. Never be the first to break the eye contact – but don’t be a creep
4. At dinner, tip the glass for her. This always works for me.
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christ, I’m not complaining – I actually love the alpha scenes.
I’m just thrilled some people realize “Hud” jes isn’t the preferred method for ownin yo home
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LINE:”What else you good at.” I dont know if I would have the cojones to use this,its so good. Had an opportunity a while back with a very desirable girl to get into this kind of x-change, but lacked nerve and knowledge to go there. QUESTION; I am about as beta as they come,but pretty good looking and very funny so theres some hope but…if u want to “game” a girl,should u get her something for Valentines day?? Really…should ya,and what?? This is 1st rate stuff!
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tokyojesusfist: Honestly, I don’t know what the hell your deal is. This will certainly be the last time I reply back to you.
You claim you see a pattern in these blogs that alpha and beta traits are assigned arbitrarily. You could give at least one good example in which a set-in-stone alpha trait directly contradicts another set-in-stone alpha trait. Or an example of a trait that it just as forcefully asserted to be alpha as it is beta.
I don’t know what you’re getting at here: “And yet this information is ignored in favor of pressing issues like “is Coca-Cola more alpha than Pepsi?”” This information is certainly not ignored. It’s referred to all time. Popular authors include matt ridley, robert wright and roger devlin. And I don’t think Coke vs. Pepsi type questions have ever *seriously* been asked. Sometimes very subtle details about behavior and appearance are raised, but it is usually the case that a substantive reason is given for why one should consider such a detail important.
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Sean honey
while the dominant, confident asshole (see: Alpha) goes sad and lonely, then I’ve two words:
Grow up.
That’s not how the world works.
The mistake ya’ll are making is in the thinking that insecure assholes like the character Paul Newman plays in tHud are worth emulating. Take Gary Cooper for example. He had a real life affair with Patricia Neal which started when she was 21 and he was 46. Roissy in his limited mindset would think then that Cooper was a big winner. He was married at the time, later Neal became pregnant and he pressured her into getting an abortion which she alway regretted. His wife was aware of the affair and wanted it ended of course. When Neal and Cooper broke up she had a nervous breakdown. Now that’s some lovely shit, huh?
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Anon78
I’m not going to browse through hundreds if not thousands of comments just to point out something that should be obvious to anyone who reads the comments here.
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Basil whatever
Just about every hollywood movie with an alpha figure ends with him becoming a pussy, or getting rejected.
Give me a break. You don’t watch many movies, do you? There are so many examples of healthy masculine men, getting the girl and “living happily ever after” it would be difficult to count them all. It’s just that you and so many of the guys here are such assholes that it makes you feel better believing that being an asshole is the way to live out your pathetic lives. *smile*
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An alpha male could have lit her cigarette — it’s all in the way it’s done (what’s being said along with the light).
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(breaking my promise not comment again)
“tokyojesusfist
“Anon78
You claim you see a pattern in these blogs that alpha and beta traits are assigned arbitrarily. You could give at least one good example in which a set-in-stone alpha trait directly contradicts another set-in-stone alpha trait. Or an example of a trait that it just as forcefully asserted to be alpha as it is beta.”
I’m not going to browse through hundreds if not thousands of comments just to point out something that should be obvious to anyone who reads the comments here.”
HAHAHA. Unwavering certainty, zero proof. Good luck with that.
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Of course I have proof, otherwise I wouldn’t have said all those things. You’re not making much sense.
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because he is bereft of interesting things to say or the confidence with which to lead a conversation in new directions
Yes, because I love would prefer to bore non-date with the intricacies of my drive to New Jersey while detailing the beauty of concrete paved road at night or the aesthetics of constant tension catenary or the need for the stimulus to include money for states and municipalities.
a beta would have vigorously agreed with her and given her a david alexander-style soft hug and a shoulder to cry on
Under the following conditions…
1) Poor sexual skills
2) Inability to attract women that create sexual desire
3) Masturbation bringing high quality orgasms
Then hugs bring better benefits than sex since it creates the feeling that you’re doing something and being helpful and useful, while creating a feeling of acceptance.
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Sara I,
I misspoke. I meant men portrayed as ‘womanizers’. See Alfie, Tao of Steve, My Best Friend’s Girl…The womanizers are ‘reformed’ of their ways, etc.
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“A beta would have lit her cigarette for her.”
“An alpha male could have lit her cigarette — it’s all in the way it’s done (what’s being said along with the light).”
Alphas always light girls cigarettes.
Old-school move. Class all the way.
Bugsy Siegel used to beat guys up that wouldn’t do this.
In fact, there are hundreds of Alpha WAYS to light a girls cigarette.
Hell, I invented a ton of them…
– MPM
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Seeking Alpha: “Actually, there are at least some decent role models in movies or tv shows that take place in inner cities [e.g. The Wire].”
Good call, SA. Watch Lester Freamon in action, particularly when he works his magic on the stripper in Season 1; pure alpha. And compare him to the beau she ditched, D’Angelo Barksdale. The poor guy screams beta.
Somewhere in the middle lies Jimmy McNulty. He’s hard-headed and confident, but also a whiny, drunken, self-righteous prick. He has success with bar tramps and a pretty single mother of two, but falls flat on his face with the hot, high-powered campaign manager.
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Here’s actually an instance where “a set-in-stone alpha trait directly contradicts another set-in-stone alpha trait.” First someone says it’s an alpha move to not light a woman’s cigarette, and then someone else says the opposite. People just make this shit up as they go. As for “subtle details about behavior and appearance” that are backed up by “a substantive reason,” there’s no substantive reason for roissy’s assertion that “betas are overly attentive, alphas are distracted.”
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Totally off topic. An ex-social con’s weird ode to fornication. Roissy, sir, please bang this man’s daughter.
Great quote from one of Roissy’s classic posts:
“To fathers everywhere I say: Continue sending your daughters to the big city in droves. I, and those like me, will be waiting.”
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oh please. Coke is SO much more alpha than Pepsi.
I mean, look at the facts — Pepsi’s all like “ohh, we stole Obama’s logo because we need more customers,” while Coke’s all like, “fuck it. we’re Coke. we don’t have to do shit.”
you see? Coke is comfortable, confident, while Pepsi’s all fidgeting around trying to please everyone. Alpha body language = Coke.
based on these observations, i think it’s pretty easy to conclude that in the sexual supermarket, Coke would get 76% more numbers and 36% more first-night hookups than Pepsi. and they would TOTALLY use more successful negs than Pepsi.
game, set, match to Coke.
and the Pepsi people get to stay home and pretend to be experts at picking up girls on a blog message board.
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There probably ARE quite a bit of Alpha-type role models for guys in movies. Hugh Grants playboy characters, though his characters rely on being rich and handsome and somewhat famous, along with Brad Pitt (handsome) and George Clooney (same).
Probably the best is the incomparable Donal Logue in the “Tao of Steve” which I’m shocked Roissy has not featured here. Considering the protagonist is indeed a PUA who embodies the three “Steves” : McGarret, Austin, and McQueen.
Guys to avoid like the plague: ANY John Cusak character, ANY Matthew Broderick character, ANY Judd Apatow movie character.
In reality, most guys will fall onto the Logue side of things rathr than Brad Pitt’s side. Or Hugh Grant’s. Logue loses against those guys, so he carefully moves in circles relatively devoid of handsome, rich, celebrity men.
Sara — Movies are in fact the toxic reflection of a breakdown in how people form mates. The sky-high divorce rate and even higher failure to marry at all (cohabitations which break down) and the man-boy immature characters (the husband in Juno) are a direct result of the preferences/choices by women. Who create the men they end up dealing with in one way or another (“Spengler” was right).
Most of these movies are written by gays/women or deeply feminized men catering to stupid female fantasies of having their cake and eating it too, choice without consequence. Hooking up with the romantic passionate bad-boy and “changing/domesticating” him through female power (a laughable proposition) or having the on-deck pathetic beta “friend” replace him when the bad boy predictably goes south on her.
In reality, the pairing in the late thirties of women who have been through lots of bad boys, and beta guys who’ve been lost in video games on the sidelines, results in enternally resentful man-boys who know they are the last not the first choice of their women, and angry, resentful women who are angry at settling.
The result of the false happy-ever-after is a feeling among women they can avoid consequences for choices. They can’t.
What’s really needed is not male role-models but female ones, and explicit bad/good examples.
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“Here’s actually an instance where “a set-in-stone alpha trait directly contradicts another set-in-stone alpha trait.” First someone says it’s an alpha move to not light a woman’s cigarette, and then someone else says the opposite.”
No.
One person is correct and the other isn’t.
Alphas always light girls cigarettes.
– MPM
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oh please. Coke is SO much more alpha than Pepsi.
I mean, look at the facts — Pepsi’s all like “ohh, we stole Obama’s logo because we need more customers,” while Coke’s all like, “fuck it. we’re Coke. we don’t have to do shit.”
you see? Coke is comfortable, confident, while Pepsi’s all fidgeting around trying to please everyone. Alpha body language = Coke.
On the other hand, it could be argued that drinking the most popular brand (Coke) shows a Beta-ish need to conform, while true Alphas are confident enough to drink the second-place brand.
Peter
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Great point. Minor quibble: Matthew Broderick was great in “Glory” as a young Civil War colonel who found himself in over his head leading a black regiment, and how found a way to inspire men and be a good leader.
Then again, he did lose the battle at Fort Wagner, so maybe Whiskey’s point stands.
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I remember back, a long time ago, where I nailed some hot blonde chick from out of town after there was a party at my place. I was so excited about it even the next morning when I sobered up because she was so damn hot. I went to take a shower and came out and saw her smoking a f*cking cigarrette in my bed! I couldn’t stand it. I remember kissing her goodbye and it was like kissing a dirty ashtray.
Chicks that smoke and chicks with cats…
just walk away.
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LOL………………….Whiskey. Right on spot. Here is the entire diagram in one sentence:
“EVERY GIRL WANTS A BAD BOY SHE CAN TAME, AND EVERY GUY WANTS A NICE GIRL THE HE CAN CORRUPT.”
The guy who told me that was at roughly 600 notches when he finally hung it up and was faithful (to his third wife). You introduced the nail and the head yet again Whiskey. Newman was a terrific actor and a handsome man with a great jawline and ice blue eyes, likeable to men and desirable to women, and was married to Joanne Woodward happily all those years: a true BENEVOLENT alpha male in real life. A man to be emulated.
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Modern-day alpha role model in movies is Billy Bob Thornton. all the way.
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Peter,
good point. i’ll think of that the next time i’m swooping mad honeys at Fuddruckers.
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Peter
Worshiping the GNP: beyond Alpha.
I really wish you were not taken. You must be a lot of fun.
On the other hand, it could be argued that drinking the most popular brand (Coke) shows a Beta-ish need to conform, while true Alphas are confident enough to drink the second-place brand.
True alpha, fake alpha….in my book roissy is a fake alpha as a true alpha is not an asshole. Further a “true” alpha drinks whatever the fuck they feel like drinking regardless of what anyone else is drinking even if it’s what everyone else is drinking. On the other hand, it could be argued that drinking the most popular brand (Coke) shows a Beta-ish need to conform, while true Alphas are confident enough to drink the second-place brand.
Basil not Rathbone
I misspoke. I meant men portrayed as ‘womanizers’.
To roissy they’re virtually one and the same. Where have you been.
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joshrandall:
You’re not David Alexander, are you? There’s still hope. First step…never think that way about youself again.
Correction, you need to learn “game”, not how to game a girl. At your level, it is lot more about personal development and learning what women respond to, instead of what they say they like, that will improve your odds. It is almost impossible to ‘act’ alpha without being one. Getting there is more difficult than it looks, but the rewards are worth it.
No.
Trying to buy her affection is a losing strategy. You don’t need to prove your worth to her. Lose the nice guy act. Remeber, you are the prize that she wants. Don’t overcompensate by being an asshole, yet, IMO. But the nice guy, romantic guesture BS, is a quick way to end up in the friend zone, or worse, repulse her.
If the beta in you just can’t stand the idea of winning a girl’s heart without a lot of romantic gestures, remember, Valentine’s Day romance is expected by women. Don’t be a cliche, Herb. If you must, stand out from the crowd and show her your romantic side on a random night when she isn’t expecting it. Lead, don’t follow.
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Beta = arguing like bitches in the comments section of a blog.
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Drinking Coke is more Alpha than snorting Coke.
Although, smuggling Coke is Alpha.
– MPM
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I’ve seen it cut both ways in Hollywood. The two standard plots of romantic comedies are 1) Nice guy perseveres and wins girl over asshole, and 2) Asshole reforms his philandering ways and settles down with nice girl. These plots represent the fanatasies of 1) Beta men, and 2) Women respectively. It would be interesting to test this by comparing gender-delimited ticket sales and reviews for each type of plot.
Van Wilder is an interesting movie. Tera Reid sarts off dating a beta guy who is going to med school, president of his frat and student government, and is basically an all-around “play-by-the-rules” nice guy. Van Wilder parties and sleeps around. Tera ends up dumping the beta provider to bang Van, a decision we are clearly meant to sympathize with.
I’m really personally enjoying the West’s descent into polygamous hedonism, but part of me is a little worried about the day when beta’s like Tera’s ex-boyfriend figure out that playing by the rules isn’t in their best interest. Been reading too many of whiskey’s posts, I guess
Cheers
Zdeno
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“Chicks that smoke and chicks with cats…
just walk away.”
Bad program.
99% of hot girls smoke.
Check the statistics.
– MPM
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Good program. Smoking is extremely repulsive. I would never, ever, ever date a woman who smokes.
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Wow, I’m honored to have started such a heated debate 😛
The reason I said things are black and white, is because the way Alpha is easiest to define (and the way Roissy himself does it), is simple: Alphas attract lots of women. Betas don’t. “Fake” asshole Alphas, “real” confident and strong-willed Alphas, these are just categories in a larger whole. It’s easy to tell that classical music is in a different genre than say, punk, but no one claims that one isn’t music, while the other is.
The same applies here. Alphas attract girls. There isn’t a morally right or wrong way for Alphas to attract women (at least not according to Roissy’s definition). Roissy has said here time and time again that he defines Alpha and alpha characteristics as a person or qualities in a person that makes them desirable to women. Case closed, as far as I’m concerned.
This also doesn’t mean that you should plan on emulating Roissy to a T. Roissy’s advice, however humorous and cocky, is just that: advice. It’s not word-for-word instructions on how to “swoop mad girls”, as Mr. Manifesto likes to say. I would even wager that Roosh’s “Bang!” is filled with more guidelines than step-by-step instructions (although I haven’t read it).
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Forgot my last thought:
If you were to follow their “advice” to the letter, you’d sound wooden and fake, and surely give off some supreme, unconfident Beta vibes.
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tokyojesusfist:
“I would never, ever, ever date a woman who has a vagina.”
—FTFY, bitch.
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“Good program. Smoking is extremely repulsive. I would never, ever, ever date a woman who smokes.”
Comment shows lack of life experience.
Someone who has never been to a Ford Models Party in Miami Beach or Paris.
Or the Playboy Mansion.
– MPM
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Even after the ad hominem attacks, Joshrandall, I’m willing to help you. Marvelous Bastard has it 100% correct. Don’t try to buy a girl’s affection and that goes doubly so on Valentine’s Day.
Speaking of Valentine’s Day, is there anything more beta than the “Vermont Teddy Bear” commercials being played all day long?
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whiskey
Most of these movies are written by gays/women or deeply feminized men catering to stupid female fantasies of having their cake and eating it too, choice without consequence. Hooking up with the romantic passionate bad-boy and “changing/domesticating” him through female power (a laughable proposition) or having the on-deck pathetic beta “friend” replace him when the bad boy predictably goes south on her.
Trying to change anyone is futile at best. Better to weed out the real baddies early on. No one likes perfection, least of all me, and I can handle a man who acts like an asshole occasionally as long as he can handle being told to go to hell occasionally. And vice versa of course.
I thought most movies in general were written by men but there are those insipidly romantic idealizations that women entertain and the movie industry exploits them. Personally, I agree with you; most are rubbish. I would take real life, gritty as it is, over romantic airy fairy notions that are sure to disappoint when confronted with a real man/woman. Have you noticed men are just as brain-washed by the idea of the perfect woman? Another laughable proposition at best.
What’s really needed is not male role-models but female ones, and explicit bad/good examples.
NOT male role-models? You’re too funny.
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Someone very wise once told me this: chicks who smoke are easy.
Why? Think about it. She’s willing to put something she knows is dangerous and poisonous in her mouth; something that causes cancer and emphesyma and all other problems.
Seems she’s not too picky about what goes in her body; and your dick is not cancer causing; in fact, it’s pleasureable. There’s a reason straight edge
Also–chicks who smoke pick it up from peer pressure, meaning they’re suceptable to coercion and pressure to do something just to fit in—like when feminists encourage the female sex drive. Game. Duh.
Another thing–these days, to smoke a girl has to go outside. Fewer people,a nd away from her pack of cock-blockers. Loner girls==easier pickings.
Finally, chicks who smoke are deliberately drawing attention to their mouths. As the immortally hot Alicia Silverstone stated in *Clueless*: “With boys, anytime you can draw attention to your mouth is a good thing.”
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is bond still alpha?
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lurker,
Well said.
Finally someone making sense.
It’s a easy as this:
Smoke Cigarettes
Wear Custom Napoli Suits
“Flash” a big Bankroll
Go out minimum 3 nights per week
You will swoop 100 fly girls per year easily. (A “Century Year” in International Playboy Parlance.)
– MPM
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db
“is bond still alpha?”
In the book “Casino Royale” he is.
Heavy drinker and Smoker.
– MPM
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Only Sean Connery
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Sara,
You are acting up tonight. I think a good spanking, followed by a thorough fucking, and perhaps some or even a lot of tender but delicious oral sex in between, is something you could use to calm you down.
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“I wish you wouldn’t keep me hanging around on the front porch make me feel like I’m selling something.”
Total beta. Use of “I wish…,” tells her she’s the one keeping him on the front porch, making him feel lesser, conceding his own lesser value.
“They need a lot of tender loving care, honey, same as the rest of us.”
Beta. Begging for love.
“HUD: Shouldn’t have to, a woman looks like you do.”
Beta. Kissing her ass.
“HUD: You’re a good housekeeper. You’re a good cook. You’re a good laundress. What else you good at?”
Beta. Showering her with compliments.
“HUD: A man like that sounds no better than a heel.”
Beta. Sympathizing with her plight.
“HUD: Honey, don’t go shooting all the dogs ’cause one of ‘em’s got fleas.”
Beta. Trying to reassure her he’s not like the bad ones.
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I guess it would be okay if she smokes… provided she does it OUTSIDE in the cold rain along with her stupid cat. I don’t care how her day was or if she’s having a nic fit, her character flaw is not my problem. But it would take a long time to train a chick into accepting this as her proper place, and a lot easier to just go after non-smokers.
Why handicap yourself with easy smoking chicks just to add to your notch count? Most unmarried women aren’t that hard to get are they?
The only cool alpha line I’ve seen in a recent movie is where Matt Damon asks “You don’t have cats do you?”.”No.”.”That’s good”
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Coke rules. And why would you want to game Cigstache?
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Sara’s total avoidance of responding to Whiskey’s excellent post makes it glaringly obvious that the only reason she ever posts here is to prop up her own deluded sense of moral superiority by trying to condescend to roissy and anyone else that is a proponent of ‘game.’
An alpha may or may not be an asshole….but being an asshole does have certain aspects to it that are based in dominant traits.
A beta seeking success in mating strategies can easily observe how all the “jerks” and “assholes” seem to always get the girls he desires.
Sorry Sara, you hate the player when you should be hating the game. The fact that so many of your sisters seem to prefer the assholes means more men are going to start acting like assholes to try and improve their mating success.
Your hatred for roissy and all PUA is really misdirected.
PUA’s are merely a rational response to the marketplace of pussy your feminized sisterhood has created.
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Sara —
Yes women need role models more than men.
Women need to maximize their ability to make smart moves with the knowledge that their beauty fades. That doors opened means others closed. Things that Jane Austen used to write about.
After all, picking the guy who will father your kids, is just about the important choice a woman can make.
Men already know this about women (i.e. who they marry and have a kid with).
—-
Forgotten about Broderick in Glory. For some reason he’s always Ferris Bueller in my memory.
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Here’s a scene of great game from American Gigolo, if a little over the top.
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who know they are the last not the first choice of their women
Except these men were never going to be the first choice for these women. Beta males will always be the third rate choice. Even if a virgin were to come up to me, I know the only reason she’s interested in me is because she’s unable to secure an alpha.
angry, resentful women who are angry at settling
Yes, they’re going to be resentful and upset that they’re stuck with the loser beta males.
What’s really needed is not male role-models but female ones, and explicit bad/good examples.
What’s needed is for you to realize that forcing women to marry beta males only creates bitter marriages where the wife hates the husband, and the husband is abused to support the female and children who don’t love him. But don’t worry, the husband is much too busy to enjoy that stable society he’s supposedly creating while Roissy gets his trophy wife and mistresses.
In other words, fuck you Whiskey.
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I think Keith has a better analysis of this scene than roissy.
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“her character flaw is not my problem”
How is smoking a “character flaw”. If it is, so is drinking and drugs.
If they are, then I love “character flaws”
Have fun, sober guy.
“Is it true that you smoke eight to ten cigars a day?
That’s true.
Is it true that you drink five martinis a day?
That’s true.
Is it true that you still surround yourself with beautiful young women?
That’s true.
What does your doctor say about all of this?
My doctor is dead.
– George Burns”
“Why handicap yourself with easy smoking chicks just to add to your notch count?”
Because swooping girls is Life Enhancing.
I have said it before and I will say it again: All Model Girls Smoke.
– MPM
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Dave,
Sorry Sara, you hate the player when you should be hating the game. The fact that so many of your sisters seem to prefer the assholes means more men are going to start acting like assholes to try and improve their mating success.
Don’t be sorry, hon, I’m not. I don’t hate players as much as I’m amused by their lack of real intelligence. (And the women’s lack of real intelligence in being so easily seduced by them as well.)
As far as more men acting like assholes-and therefore or maybe because of women acting like bitches; so what?? It makes for a better win. If attracting a wonderful mate were easy it wouldn’t be as valuable.
A beta seeking success in mating strategies can easily observe how all the “jerks” and “assholes” seem to always get the girls he desires.
More accurately the jerks and assholes are getting the bitches they want to fuck. End of story.
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Dave,
PUA’s are merely a rational response to the marketplace of pussy your feminized sisterhood has created.
I thought it was all biology and evolution. Anyway, you’re talking about monkey see-monkey do kind of behavior. I mean “everyone else is doing it, so why not me?”. Everyone else is acting like a jerk and getting laid, so that simply must be the way to get laid. It’s a rather pathetic lack of original thinking and as common as dirt. I agree that feminism is sucky to say the least. I dislike feminists even more than players. A player I can handle, at arm’s length and it can be fun. A feminist takes themselves way too bloody seriously. Deadly.
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“I don’t hate players as much as I’m amused by their lack of real intelligence.”
International Playboys and G’s are the most intelligent creatures in the Jungle of Life.
“(And the women’s lack of real intelligence in being so easily seduced by them as well.)”
Women’s “real intelligence” has nothing to do with it.
If your Game is in the Zone enough, her intelligence is taken out of the equation.
Her positive thinking mind, and biological response overpowers her “real intelligence”.
A glass of red or two can aid in achieving this too.
– MPM
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I don’t hate players as much as I’m amused by their lack of real intelligence. (And the women’s lack of real intelligence in being so easily seduced by them as well.)
This is your entire premise for participation on this forum…and it’s a false one.
You presume to state in a myriad of different ways that game is “fooling” a woman into having sex and that a woman seduced is intellectually dumb for “falling” for the “stupidity” of game.
Game is about recognizing and incorporating the male behavioral traits that are attractive to women. That is all.
It’s not positive or negative in and of itself.
Ours is a culture that glorifies feminine/homosexual values…in which men are encouraged to “get in touch with their feminine sides” and that men should “worship the goddess of female sexuality” if they want to have a happy relationship with women. Millions of men follow these cultural cues and memes and are puzzled, angry and frustrated when they find out that acting like that lands them in “lets just be friends” emotional tampon-zone….or worse yet, men conform to this idea of feminine dominance over their masculine natures after they get married and their wives become contemptuous of the spineless beta their husbands have become, and she ends up completing the process of emasculation in divorce court.
Game can be applied by an immature asshole bent on promiscuous sexual conquest…or by a mature man who is determined to have a monogamous relationship with a women worthy of such a potentially expensive commitment…because reconnecting with true masculine behavior will benefit any man in relation to females – whether it’s for a one night stand or a lifetime of marriage.
You just don’t get it…and based on how long you’ve been snidely commenting on this blog in that snarky “I’m too smart for you Roissy, I’m not like the dumb whores who are the only type of woman that would EVER fall for game,” attitude that you project in every little post, it’s obvious that you never will.
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All the anti-smoking people here are correct.
Girls that smoke are disgusting.
Oh wait, here is everyone’s “Perfect 10” Monica Bellucci smoking:
Like I said before. 99% of all hot girls smoke.
Ill swoop the smokers.
You guys can have the rest.
– MPM
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She goes from a solid 10 to a 6 in my book for smoking. I’d rather boink my pudgy soon-to-be ex (actually her behavior has greatly improved since I’ve gone prowling) than her. Her getting pudgy merely turned her from a solid 10 to a 7 – a serious tragedy but one that I’ve endured for far too long.
Seriously though, I think women like this Monica chick just need correction from their man. If she can’t comply get someone else. If you don’t smoke to put her on a pedestal and tolerate her smoking in your presence is just wrong. Why kiss her butt? She’s probably kind of dumb and needs to be controlled to be an acceptable f*ck. I tried to correct my soon-to-be-ex’s eating problems but she resists.
IMHO, Smarter chicks with better internal impulse control don’t need such correction and probably f*ck better too.
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““I wish you wouldn’t keep me hanging around on the front porch make me feel like I’m selling something.”
Total beta. Use of “I wish…,” tells her she’s the one keeping him on the front porch, making him feel lesser, conceding his own lesser value. ”
Not beta. He’s letting her know that she’s being rude as Roissy pointed out. This is interesting that he chastizes her rudeness when the line before he asks “Got a cigarette?” which is by most standards rude (no please or thank you).
““They need a lot of tender loving care, honey, same as the rest of us.”
Beta. Begging for love.”
You’re definition of begging is unorthodox. He’s merely anchoring her mind into associating TLC with him. He aims the TLC in his direction thus opening her mind to that possibility.
““HUD: Shouldn’t have to, a woman looks like you do.”
Beta. Kissing her ass.”
Again, your definition of kissing ass is all wrong. He’s not a sniveling little pussy telling her over and over how beautiful she is. He drops it in out of nowhere; it’s somewhat incongruent with the rest of his demeanor, keeping Alma on her toes. An alpha doesn’t have to always avoid acknowledging a woman’s beauty.
““HUD: You’re a good housekeeper. You’re a good cook. You’re a good laundress. What else you good at?”
Beta. Showering her with compliments.”
If you miss the smart-assness of his comment then maybe you have Asperger’s or something.
““HUD: A man like that sounds no better than a heel.”
Beta. Sympathizing with her plight.”
Like Roissy said, it’s an ex-husband destroyer. By demoting him even futher in her eyes he’s increasing his own value in hers. He’s also indicating that her ex is no man at all, while he is. He didn’t overplay his cards on it, he just made a simple statement. The terseness of Hud’s sentences is also key. A beta would ramble on and on probably asking her what happened with her ex and all that. Hud doesn’t care. He just cares about hittin them skins.
““HUD: Honey, don’t go shooting all the dogs ’cause one of ‘em’s got fleas.”
Beta. Trying to reassure her he’s not like the bad ones.”
A woman who’s been scorned, and who is somewhat on her toes like Alma, would need some coaxing to be reassured that he isn’t bad in the same way the other guys are.
People seem to get mixed up into thinking that a guy has to be an outright asshole all the time in order to be considered alpha. This isn’t true. Hud’s alphaness is communicated through his body language, tone of voice, and eye contact. It’s not so much what he’s saying as how he’s saying and communicating it to her. Roissy’s perception of Hud’s use of the flower is spot on. Obviously the flower represents the sweet nectar of vaj-ene.
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The above is aimed at Keith btw.
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What I want to know is why aren’t there any women on this site flirting with or declaring their love or attraction to Roissy if he is the “alpha” male he says he is.
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Not lighting a woman’s cigarette means nothing more than “I have no class or manners and wasn’t raised right”
or white trash, your preference.
Paul Newman was lusted after because of his looks only. Women were attracted to him IN SPITE of the way he acted, not BECAUSE of. I don’t understand why you idiots don’t get it…
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“Paul Newman was lusted after because of his looks only. Women were attracted to him IN SPITE of the way he acted, not BECAUSE of.”
Newman had the benefit of both. If you think that women, at least ones who are attractive, go after the *nice guys* and the ones that will *always* be there to light their cigarette you are a) wrong and b) barking up the wrong blog.
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Dave in Hawaii said:
Agreed, but that’s progress.
The progressive/leftist program has been attacking all things ‘male’ and masculinity since at least the 1960’s. This constant attack has born fruit: the supplicating, feminized beta male.
Take a look around progressive cities like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco,or Washington. Pudgy, pale, nasally beta boys galore, trailing their frumpy, humorless, early menopausal girlfriends like the kept pets they are. These boys aren’t men, and for the majority of women, they aren’t attractive.
This is why Alphas are more right-wing than betas. As this series of posts highlights, a lot of game is adapting forgotton masculine behaviors of previous generations to modern times. These traits are being intentionally bred out of the personality of most modern young man (except the alphas).
If the betas are lucky, they discover game before it’s too late. With a new understanding of male/female attraction it becomes apparent that they’ve been lied to all along.
Lied to by parents, teachers, priests, television, movies, pop culture, everywhere. This is the left continuing the assault on masculinity, replacing it with a watered down, feminized substitue that no one wants. Least of all women who lament that betas turn them off.
They don’t have any manliness left in them. Worthless eunuchs bred to serve the state.
Is it progress? Or decay?
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Chuck-Nice and doormats are 2 different things. Maybe think about James Bond. Class and a lady killer. What a concept huh?
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Husband: Hi honey, I’m home from work, what’s for dinner?
Wife: Your favorite meal. GNP!
Peter
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DA — I don’t know if you’re secretly gay, or a put-on, or whatever, but it’s time for a reality check.
Your ideal society organized around the needs of you, is likely to collapse into brutality where your non-Date girlfriends are all in burquas or some sort of sex slavery, and gangsta types figure you for easy prey, which you will be.
Another reality check: most people were reasonably happy with their lot in the old-fashioned monogamous marriage. No women were not out shopping with “fabulous” gay or pseudo-gay friends, but children were raised, in dual parent families. Not depraved and debased single motherhood. Women who know the score, the real deal, will probably choose a husband and family, early, and not have time to have you play the pseudo gay guy around them. Not good for you. Good for them, and society.
For certain, the empty consumerism of today is ending, and not coming back. I doubt many of your female pals are going to have the money to do “fabulous” shoe-shopping with you.
Anon — Let break it down for you. Ignore what women say. Watch what they do. Women LOVE bastards and jerks and always have and always will.
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If you don’t know me, Long post follows, please skip…
Sara? Still here? Methinks she still has designs getting her ego stroked, and working out her wombangst among the menfolk.
What ever her rationale, its moot. She remains.
Alex, I am glad to see he is still here. Hope to high heavens that something here will motivate him out of his monk’s masterbatorium. or will you always remain
Shamelessly Gameless?
“GNP!” the one trick pony, exclaims.
I don’t expect him to see the light. I think its become a psychopathic preoccupation. =) but hey, what ever floats his boat.
SAM update:
I got to say, Surfing in AU > Cali or Hawaii.
I retired my turntables, as just being a Texan in AU, is as devastating as a french accent and blue eyes are to creaming the thongs of american girls, down under the southern cross.
Point of order, for the Gent traveler down under. Just don’t badly mistep, and your in. No game required. Your Exotic USAishness is your calling card, and brings out the slut within the most saintly of women down here.
For some reason Canooks and Brits that I have kept company with are greeted more oft, with the cold shoulder. Requiring escalated game response from them.
Based on a series of personal observation, I speculate that the accents are the “why”.
Most girls I meed down here would be overwhelmingly happy to marry a man who won’t beat her.
My comments, on the topic post.
Roissy, You couldn’t be more dead on in the analysis, but armchair quarterbacking black and whites is below your skill set.
Much like a fine dining chef, choosing to make a hamburger for the reading attendees.
Of course if you enjoy your work, it doesn’t mater what the chef prepares.
Then again American women, have lost all their glitter, and have become totally lacking in desirability and grace.
Is it better to blog about great women getting gamed in tinsel-tales from times gone by, Eg. when American women were something.
Most of your male readers are probably stuck in provincial Americana, and cannot access the foreign trim Vis a Vis D.C. come New York.
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Edit:
Most girls I meed down here
should read:
Most girls I meet down here…
and the statement
Is it better to blog about great women getting gamed in tinsel-tales from times gone by, Eg. when American women were something.
Should be an interrogative one. As it asks of Roissy.
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SAM – if you want to argue that surfing in AU > Hawaii, I have to ask by what are you judging this?
If you talk about uncrowded wave conditions, I may concede the point…but for sheer quality of the waves? Sorry mate, but Ehukai (banzai pipeline) on the north shore of O’ahu is one of the best wave’s in the world.
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>For certain, the empty consumerism of today is
>ending, and not coming back. I doubt many of
>your female pals are going to have the money
>to do “fabulous” shoe-shopping with you.
I hope you are right. I hope this economic depression wrings the bullshit right out of people. I work hard, and have made money. But I resolve to live frugally. Maybe someday any money I have left over when I die will help build a hospital or a new useful business somewhere. I wish most chicks would think the same.
Here’s one of my favorite quotes:
“Experts in ancient Greek culture say that people back then didn’t see their thoughts as belonging to them. When ancient Greeks had a thought, it occurred to them as a god or goddess giving an order. Apollo was telling them to be brave. Athena was telling them to fall in love.
Now people hear a commercial for sour cream potato chips and rush out to buy, but now they call this free will.
At least the ancient Greeks were being honest.”
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most people were reasonably happy with their lot in the old-fashioned monogamous marriage
That’s because their choices were restricted. Men were under the foolish delusions that their wives loved them, and women needed betas to avoid starving.
Again whiskey, the problem is that your theories rely on men not becoming conscious of the fact that the beta male population is inherently unwanted, unattractive, and only desired for its earning capabilities. Once men finally realize this, no man will ever have an incentive to marry a woman. Your system is inherently unsustainable if men discover that their role is to be abused. The pseudo gay guy lifestyle is considerably more attractive since I’m free to engage in my hobbies without a wife or kids to interfere, and platonic friendships to satisfy feelings of loneliness and being wanted without the real responsibilities of a real relationship.
For certain, the empty consumerism of today is ending, and not coming back.
Given the high dependence of our economy on consumer spending, it’s going to have to come back, or we’ll face the wrath of a nasty economy with high unemployment. In a poor economy, I’d be less likely to squander my paycheck on a woman, when I can spend it on myself.
And BTW, the consumerism isn’t empty. Buy yourself something nice in a while, you may feel better about yourself. And yes, I’d rather have $5000 cameras over sex.
I doubt many of your female pals are going to have the money to do “fabulous” shoe-shopping with you.
When you don’t pay rent, you’d be surprised how much spending money one can have. 🙂
Oh, BTW, fuck you and your pointless, anti-male freedom rant, Whiskey.
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Anon – Not lighting a woman’s cigarette means nothing more than “I have no class or manners and wasn’t raised right” or white trash, your preference.
I don’t like cigarette smoke anymore than I like bus fumes.
I would never light a woman’s cigarette. If she took out a cigarette I would tell her: “Put it away, you wont be needing that tonight”.
Case closed. It’s a filthy habit, break it.
A higher grade woman shouldn’t be smoking anyway.
In my presence a woman better clean up her act. I’m not an enabler of women’s bad habits.
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Women LOVE bastards and jerks and always have and always will.
So, if women love bastards, if a woman comes up to me in attempt to court me, since I’m not a bastard, I have no other choice except to state that she’s a liar and that she only plans on using me. But hey, you want me to give up my freedom in order to attach myself to a virgin who’ll cheat on me with Roissy or some other alpha male who’s capable of turning her on and fucking her in ways that no beta male is capable of doing. And I’ll get to pretend it didn’t happen since I’ll refrain from using the paternity testing technology that didn’t exist in the 1950s, right?
Fuck you Whiskey.
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I lived and goofy footed in Haleiwa. I love Hawaii. Don’t get me wrong. Ate fresh pineapple on the plantations near Wahiawa, and Sunned in Pipeline, Sunset Beach, and of course Waimea Bay.
The waves of the famed Banzai Pipeline, are high-performance, teeth-gnashing barrels.
I liked it about as much as Les Cavaliers, Anglet, France
Surfing in France? The hell you say… Actually waves like Anglet’s Les Cavaliers in the South of France boast peeling rights and lefts that would make any Californian surfer salivate.
My bride and I live in NSW, and there is lots of surf point breaks, that rival North Shore.
Newcastle (very close to where we Dwell) has also some very good beach breaks. Southwards begins the Central Coast (approx. 2 hour north of Sydney), which has heaps of reef and beach breaks. IMHO among the country’s best.
for an intro check out.
http://www.stonedcrow.com/news_and_sport/surf_oz.htm
But the best surf is on the other side of the continent.
Surfers Point, Margaret River, Australia
Located in a relatively isolated region some three hours south of Perth. This town: Margaret River is the center of Western Australia’s surf culture and home to its crown jewel, Surfers Point. There’s a mighty wave to be had at this consistent and powerful left, which can hold waves up to 18 feet.
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[…] picking alpha males No role reversal, but here is Roissy breaking down Rhett gaming Scarlett. Great Scenes Of Game In The Movies Roissy in DC __________________ […]
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How about doing a two-fer in your next moive “game” scenes installment? A compare and contrast of an original and a remake:
Fred MacMurray in Double Indemnity vs. William Hurt in Body Heat.
I vote for MacMurray.
Anyone who hasn’t seen this movie, check it out. You will be blown away by what a top-notch rake was the dear ol’ dad from My Three Sons.
Another amazing such contrast is Andy Griffith’s character in A Face in the Crowd. And Patricia Neal is the female lead.
Jimmy Stewart does an impressive alpha turn in Rear Window with Grace Kelly, the most beautiful woman EVER in the movies, and “going to ’11′” in Rear Window. And the whole time Stewart’s character is in a wheelchair, with his leg in a cast. (She is already his girlfriend in the movie, but it shows how this ultra-goddess from above is all his, madly, deeply.) Would love to see a “game” analysis of this.
I’d sure like to see a lot more of commenters making suggestions of great movie “game” scenes in this thread, instead of wasting bandwidth with gay/female-like bitching at each other. A waste of everyone’s time here, including your own, no?
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Fred MacMurray is also a major cad in The Apartment, another great classic. Jack Lemmon plays what is perhaps the ur-beta-fantasy role.
As to the female side of Double Indemnity and Body Heat: On one hand, Barbara Stanwyk is sexier than Kathleen Turner, because she conveys so much in a pre-sexual revolution moive.
OTOH, is there anything hotter on film than the naked Kathleen Turner demanding it hard from behind in Body Heat? That scene is all-time Numero Uno in my book. (and I’m counting porn in that evaluation as well.)
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Sorry, all. Yes, I know how to spell “movie.”
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Just had a nice evening with a beautiful 21 year old. Perfect skin, teeth, hair, face, figure, etc.
It wasn’t complicated.
What were you all talking about again?
Joel
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Just for the heck of it: One of my favorite photos of Monica Bellucci.
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Sean
You may think that, but most people don’t. To them, an alpha is a God among men and a beta is scum (and there is nothing in-between). This is because they have such a tunnel vision that everything in life comes down to picking up women.
lurker
English, please.
The G Manifesto
This is a complete non-sequitur. What’s the connection between life experience and finding smoking repulsive? What’s the connection between life experience and going to a Ford Models Party or the Playboy Mansion?
Oh wait, I don’t give a shit about Monica Bellucci. Any woman who smokes is automatically repulsive to me, period.
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“Next week: How to game Cigstache.”
er……WHY?
Wouldn’t it be more productive for Roissy to discuss how to use Game principles on Men in a corporate setting, to rise up the corporate ladder (or avoid a layoff in this economy)?
I see no value to gaming cigstache. I would rather game by boss for non-sexual purposes.
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“Who’s a modern day role model in film for a young man?”
Not *quite* modern day, but check out Captain Picard on Star Trek, the Next Generation. This is a bald, middle-aged man who is still highly attractive to women half his age, due to supreme ALPHA characteristics.
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There is only one man who would want cigstache, and that is Peter, because cigstache has a GNP on her FACE.
And since when is pubic hair a ‘pelt’? The hair is often hard and wiry.
I think Peter has latent bestial proclivities. He even actually wants the woman’s buttocks to be covered with hair too. Eeeeeewwwwww!
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Your ideal society organized around the needs of you, is likely to collapse into brutality where your non-Date girlfriends are all in burquas or some sort of sex slavery, and gangsta types figure you for easy prey, which you will be.
LOL. Got your football pads, mohawk haircut and DIY aircraft ready?
What would the internet be without you paranoid survivalist types? Always wishing for some kind of giant society re-boot, because in this version, you’ve been left in the dust, whining in the blogosphere that someone else is taking your jobs, hard-earned money and women.
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A better example sans dialogue:
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There is a lot of overlap between dating Game and workplace status Game. A lot of the same principles apply.
A good few years ago I came across this gem for being Alpha at work, regardless of your position:
Be a hard-worker and be impudent.
Of all places, I came across this in Czeslaw Milosz’s autobiography set in pre-WW2 Warsaw.
And one more thing, which seems counterintuitive at a glance, but is so important, it is the very first law in the 48 Laws of Power:
Never outshine the master.
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Tood, PA –
Movies depicting workplace “game” –
Glengarry Glen Ross
Alec Baldwin vs. Jack Lemmon
-or-
Get Shorty
John Travolta vs. Gene Hackman
(The scene where Travolta tries to counsel him how to handle the meeting with the two mob enforcers. Hackman then immediately blows it by disregarding everything Travolta told him not to do.)
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the fairies who call a woman smoking “disgusting” are merely repeating what their PC-overlords of television have told them. Probably ask permission to stand for peeing as well.
Straight edge pos.
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DA: some women genuinely have been brainwashed (is that the word? it implies something negative and unnatural…) by the media or whatever to love betas. Unfair to assume straight off that they want you ’cause they can’t do better. Some have learned from past experiences or especially in childhood that the alpha type is something to fear and something they can’t actually handle psychologically even though its what they may or may not be evobiologically attracted to. I’m just saying it is a possibility. That is all.
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lurker
Non sequitur. Finding smoking repulsive has no connection whatsoever with asking permission to pee standing up.
I find smoking repulsive because the smell is repulsive. It’s no different from someone eating shit or not showering for two weeks. I guess I’m just not alpha enough to appreciate bad smells.
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Fuck the movies…..
Get out there this weekend!
There is something this Valentines w-end…
I am comming off a 8 week drought in NYCs post apoclypse/wall st melt-down.
I was running game last night in Soho-NYC.
Was dressed to 9s; with Ted Baker $200 grey shirt, Prada low slung black loafers-$435 and dark 501 jeans. [I take coupons to McDs..so know where to spend it]
Went up to 5 women, 10:30pm, ice cold….lone wolf…post dinner buzz/pre tool-fest in NYC
1.) -Hostess at Bar wearing Ducati spats pants…Serbian 9+, wants to meet to talk off-road bikes Sat.
2.) -35+ chick, hot blond from back; a bit weathered up close. Responded to bump-in; then became cold when cock-block troll boxed me out. Cut my losses after 90 seconds [this was key to whole night]
3- 2’some hot sisters (8, 9.25) from Indiana; now living in Florida & Vegas. Played the card that they must not be from NYC b/c they are so feminine (long hair, tan, make-up, 5 in heels/boots, fishnet); they bit, and
axis of bar tilted in my favor. 4-6 Guys nearby immediately note my kill; 1 bouncer, 3 mill; 1 offers stool. I mug my best terrorist stare, and they flee.
I offer no drinks, but witty discourse on being male in NYCs oyster of females but still needing higher level of beauty. Cut hard to their Valentines plans noting I have six bottles of Champage (Moet, $28) in fridge left over from New Yrs; phone # exhanged with instant call check right there. They left.
4-Confirmed 10.0 chick. Blond hair to mid back, playmate body, angelic face, skinny, 5’9”, solid natural rack. Overheard her have to get on train; so not spoiled NYC gal. Strong eye contact (5 plus times I caught her looking, likely 19-22) earlier in night. She sits down with two guys; 1 troll/1 guy looks gay-maybe class mates. I track her to ladies room; weak game, then I back off, but monitor her table while handling girls 1-3. At end of her night (90 minutes later), she walks near me and bumps into me says sorry, but waits. Her 3 friends are leaving. I pause; get bar postcard and write my name/#. She takes it
Scene: Note, I was standing completely away from crowd; dressed well; patient, but fully engaged…ordering Czech beer by name, leaving $5 tip; bartender dropping others later to cover me on 2nd beer. Serbian chick noting my beer & flirting. Coming up to 7-8s, mild check out, chuckling at their converation, and not hitting on them…
I am not a stud (see draught), average looks. But unprecedented clothes/grooming, solid acerbic rap, and hard edge that is somewhere between hit-man and gypsy prince….
Overall, stunning night. Zeros dollars.
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Yeah, I thought I might run some game this weekend too. Maybe Left 4 Dead or Counter-Strike: Source, haven’t decided yet. But I’ll be sure to post a field report.
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I like Matt Damon’s game scenes in The Departed. The one where he picks her up in the elevator, and their subsequent date.
Her: “If you [get some answer] right , I’ll go out with you again”
Him: “What makes you think I want to see you again?”
Her: “Don’t you?”
Him: “You should see the look on your face. Of course I do. ”
Also, Daniel Craig in Casino Royale in the scene on the train with Vesper Lynd
Vesper Lynd: “But it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine. You think of women as disposable pleasures, rather than meaningful pursuits. So as charming as you are, Mr. Bond, I will be keeping my eye on our government’s money – and off your perfectly-formed arse.”
James Bond: “You noticed”
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Very nice – I especially enjoyed the dissertation of the last scene – I think Hud’s alpha status is concreted with Alma’s increasingly (sexual) grin as Hud leaves. If I can offer one aspect of criticism, it would be that these clips are outdated and don’t parallel the market as we know today. Maybe look into more up dated movie/tv show clips/photos?? Just a thought…
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Matt Damon runs tight game in The Departed. But the movie strongly implies he is cuckolded by sensitive-boy Dicaprio. Lesson learned: vulnerability game has its uses.
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This comment is right on –
Paul Newman was lusted after because of his looks only. Women were attracted to him IN SPITE of the way he acted, not BECAUSE of. I don’t understand why you idiots don’t get it…
also – Dicaprio shows a lot of beta mannerisms as Zdeno says.
When will the idiots on this board realize that there are two routes to success
(1) be born exceptionally good looking
(2) be an alpha
Truth is that being exceptionally good looking often works better than being average and alpha
I think all the ugly guys on this board don’t want to hear the truth –
attractiveness to women depends on looks, money, and alpha.
NOT solely on alpha
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Pete
When will the idiots on this board realize that there are two routes to success
(1) be born exceptionally good looking
(2) be an alpha
There are plenty of good looking “alpha’s” (roissy uses player and alpha interchangably) who are both stupid and broke, but they may get laid a lot, so is that success? Dumb question, I know.
Silver Lone Wolf
pause; get bar postcard and write my name/#. She takes it
I”m amazed that someone as exceptionally gifted as you would be giving your number to girls. It’s obvious from your stream of bullshit that that come at you like flies to shit, so why then do you need to give them your number? In my book, that marks a man as an instant loser. If I took the card it would immediately go into the trash. It’s a lazy way to try to hook up with a woman, but that’s just my opinion.
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SaraI,
Sometimes it’s just easier to give a woman your # if you gotta run. She may still be interested in you but a little unsure about it until she confers with her friends. I’ve done it before (long ago) and I would get a call from it about half the time and I certainly don’t claim to be uber alpha man. I agree it is far better to get her # so you can show her that you are confident and that the next move is for you to call her (leading her rather than letter her choose) but if you’re in a hurry or there are some odd circumstances, I think it’s okay.
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betas piss hunched over staring at their itsy bitsy
alphas lean back and arch their stream
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DA —
Are you for real or some girl posting? I find it difficult to believe a straight guy would post this stuff.
Yes of course women love bastards and jerks. It differs from social setting to social setting, but see Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Ike Turner, Chris Brown, Bobby Brown, Scott Baio, George Clooney, etc.
Roissy’s asshole game works, because women love Assholes. Being the correct kind of asshole for each social setting and type of women requires adjustment, but women always fall for assholes. Chris Brown is probably now hotter with certain types of women than he ever was before.
Paul — it’s already happened in the UK. Some places are almost 80% dependent on government spending, produce nothing economically, and suffer horrendous social life, crime, abuse, and so on. Baby P is a good example. Or South Central LA.
It’s your own arrogance and conceit to think that social decay, violence, abuse, and a brute war of all against all will stay among “the lower classes” or just Black or Hispanic people. Let me assure you it will not.
The foundation of any society is how well most people are paired off in relatively happy and stable marriages. Your arrogance is that you are far “smarter” and can replace that system with well, Brazil. A few wealthy elite and favelas churning with violence for everyone else. Yeah, it looks just like Road Warrior, except for Mohawks. Heck in PHOENIX kidnapping for ransom is huge, with drug gangs ignoring the border and targeting convenient and mostly defenseless folks. PHOENIX is the second most kidnapping active city past Mexico City.
Bottom line for reality: if you want to crowd out crime, you have to have a nearly 90% middle class society of nuclear families. Otherwise you can quickly get to Phoenix level violence.
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Are you for real or some girl posting? I find it difficult to believe a straight guy would post this stuff.
David Alexander is male and heterosexual.
Before I return to the “fuck you whiskey rant”, explain why it’s so hard to believe that a straight guy would post what I wrote earlier?
Yes of course women love bastards and jerks.
If women love assholes, bastards, and jerks, why should I believe any woman who claims to be attracted to me when it’s not natural for her to have any desire towards me or any other beta male? Why should I marry somebody who is incapable of truly loving me?
if you want to crowd out crime, you have to have a nearly 90% middle class society of nuclear families
Two low IQ couples with low wages is still a poor family. At that point, if you want a 90% middle class society, you’re left with the only sensible option, to kill off the non-whites regardless of IQ.
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“This is a complete non-sequitur. What’s the connection between life experience and finding smoking repulsive? What’s the connection between life experience and going to a Ford Models Party or the Playboy Mansion?”
Comment again shows lack of life experience.
If you don’t know, you just don’t know.
“Oh wait, I don’t give a shit about Monica Bellucci.”
Comment shows lack of taste.
– MPM
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If women love assholes, bastards, and jerks, why should I believe any woman who claims to be attracted to me when it’s not natural for her to have any desire towards me or any other beta male?
I’ve answered this question a number of times.
Why should I marry somebody who is incapable of truly loving me?
I’ve answered this question a number of times as well. So did other guys (Obsidian, Tupac, et al). Come clean David — you honestly seeking answers, or trolling, or simply enjoying yourself repeating the same thing over and over?
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American has become the Land of the Smoldering Vagina – http://www.mensaction.net/2smoldering.htm
But contributing to the superficial hook up culture you are thus causing a further decline of American/Western culture.
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I think that D.A. and Roissy sound so different because the are looking for entirely different things. D.A. wants love. Roissy is more interested in sex. Surely the girls he bangs with game are not girls he is interested in “loving.”
I think that D.A. should lower his standards somewhat, frankly. He sounds unrealistic at times. If love is what you want (and who doesn’t. Love is the greatest gift you can receive.) he really shouldn’t deprive himself. After all, there is the package, and there are the contents. Often very different. I think it is sad that unattractive women are so abused and devalued that it affects their outlook on life, IMHO, and lowers their value as a love object.
I am not suggesting D.A. hook up with a fatty. I consider fat to be a marker of a poor personality, sorta like smoking.
BTW, anybody can have sex. It’s on sale, at bargain prices in some areas. Getting sex for free is hard, but, so is getting good free food and free housing. Who would brag about getting a free ride to NY City to a person who drives there in his luxury, chauffeured limousine?
Or, if you are willing to lie, even a beta can get sex for free by implying marriage, then backing out.
Anyway, I think some people are too hard on D.A. He makes sense, given his assumptions.
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Come clean David — you honestly seeking answers, or trolling, or simply enjoying yourself repeating the same thing over and over?
The first and the third. Trolling isn’t much fun, and essentially, I’m just waiting for Whiskey to realize that his utopia is predicated on lies and not sustainable without having men believe that women will love them. If men eventually wise up and finally figure out that they’re not wanted, I’d imagine that there’s very little that could entice them into a relationship.
I’ve answered this question a number of times as well.
The answers given by yourself and others all point to game as the panacea to being attractive to female, but as I’ve stated, game is best for males with deprecated alpha tendencies and habits, and not all men have such tendencies. My Russian friend is a perfect example, and an old classmate is another example of an asshole type who I’d rather avoid emulating. He can come across as rather mean-spirited, but he has the ability to nail whatever he wants.
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Racer x even a lot of tender but delicious oral sex in between
*dead faint*
If you are doing the giving, I will gladly do the taking. I’m not blonde but hell chocolate is sweet 🙂
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I know a lot of guys with girlfriends, cute ones, that are not assholes.
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I see where you are going, but I wouldn’t call it “lower his standards.” I’d call it “going out and experiencing the real thing.” He hasn’t experienced it yet. To him it’s all theory. The hugs, the chubby white girls, the nonsense about social climbing and eugenic mating with Jewesses or whatever. It’s all theory.
David is a bright kid talking about things he has no idea of. He simply hasn’t experienced being with a girl he finds attractive, who reciprocates the feeling. I’d wager that a lot of guys on this blog haven’t. And they should.
But hopefully he will, and in all likelihood it will be nothing like he anticipated it to be. She may — or may not — be chubby, white, or high IQ. Those attributes willl be incidental to what makes their chemistry happen.
I kinda understand where he’s coming from. This was the first time I felt that unfamiliar contentment of being with someone who feels right: the time was late 90s, I was 28. A new cutie at work caught my eye. I ask her out, we go out. On the first date, nothing really happens. I get a hug from her at the end of the date, and go home. This was me pre-Game, mind you. I was content with how the evening turned out, and go home.
The next weekend, we go out again. I wasn’t sure if she’s into me, and pre-Game, I had no idea how to strategize, but we go out anyway. Bar hopping in the big Northeastern city, drinking quite a bit, having fun, until at one unexpected moment, she attacks me with crazy passionate kisses. Heh. I guess she was into me.
I asked her if she wants to go to my house, she said yes, and we drive out to my cheap little apartment at the outer periphery of the city. About five miles shy of my house, she starts blowing me while I’m driving. I bang her a couple of times once we get to my apartment, and then we drift off to sleep.
But here is the moneyshot: in the morning I make an omelete and coffee, and after breakfast, she goes over to the kitchen area (it was a studio apartment) and starts washing up the plates and coffeecups, and looking at me with that adoring look on her face.
In a way (I repeat: in a way) this was more awesome that the sex the night before. Just sitting contentedly, while a hot little thing who adores me is making herself at home in my kitchen.
So what’s this got to do with David? It’s the fact that he thinks he knows the big picture, but he’s clueless about the details. And it’s the details that make it all worthwhile.
So it’s not so much that he needs to lower his standards. He siumply needs to go out, meet girls, and hopefully at one point have a real good time with one.
That cutie in the Northeastern city, by the way? Broke up with me not too long after. This was me pre-Game, and I proceeded to treat her like she’s “special,” and it was only a matter of time before that glow in her eyes flatlined, and she went back to her old boyfriend.
I believe you.
Most men today are operating with deprecated alpha tendencies. As per my earlier comments, I disagree: I think that pretty much all men do have such tendencies, but they need time to let themselves develop them.
Since you said that you don’t want to kneel before Zod, this is a way to look at it: don’t learn game to manipulate or ‘abuse’ women. Learn game to please women.
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who reciprocates the feeling
Nobody is going to really reciprocate the feeling. That boat sailed away from port years ago, and it’s not coming back.
She may — or may not — be chubby, white, or high IQ
So, she’ll be petite, white, and just high IQ, right? With nails & heels too, right? 🙂
Seriously, it just happens to be that I’m attracted to those types of women, and if I am looking for women, it just doesn’t make sense to go chase after women that aren’t as attractive to me. It’s akin to forcing you to date women with fake D cups.
As for the high IQ, I’ve viewed it as insurance in case the condom fails, and she magically doesn’t believe in abortion. The last thing that I want is an accidental pregnancy with a low IQ woman, and judging from the choices my older brother and cousins made, the kids are lovable, but it doesn’t leave much hope for their future. It’s one of many reasons as to why non-date girlfriend will remain a non-date girlfriend. Plus, admittedly, I don’t need nagging from my family over dating a trashy or ghetto girl. OTOH, trashy/ghetto girls don’t date nerds, and whiter people don’t date the sans-diplomas who live off part-time employment…
A new cutie at work caught my eye.
I would never date anybody at work. Not due to sexual harassment lawsuits, but the awkwardness of having that person around on a daily basis, and the fears that she would reveal secrets or tell lies. The last thing that I want known is that I have a “small” penis or I’m useless in bed. Hell, the nail fetish scares off enough women…
So it’s not so much that he needs to lower his standards. He siumply needs to go out, meet girls, and hopefully at one point have a real good time with one.
It doesn’t make sense to go out and meet women when there’s a nearly 100% immediate chance of failure. Most women can and will easily do better than me in terms of finding somebody to have a good time with. There isn’t a dearth of high quality alpha males or beta providers, so there’s no place for me in the sexual marketplace.
Learn game to please women.
I’m not going to change to make some woman happy. It reeks of that beta behaviour that you guys keep denigrating. I’d rather have the love of my niece and nephew and my friends and family over something as fleeting as women. When I look at my Russian friend, my old elementary school classmate, Roissy, or even you, I see something that I don’t want to be. I see a hard, rigid masculinity that doesn’t leave any warmth and friendliness, but leaves a cold, frigid heart. Remember, you’re talking to a guy who can turn his dark skin red by blushing because a female friend (non-date) gave him a kiss on the cheek at work for Valentine’s Day. No alpha could experience the simple joy and pleasure that the little moment gave.
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I am looking for women, it just doesn’t make sense to go chase after women that aren’t as attractive to me.
Absolutely right. She’s gotta be over your attractiveness threshold, or it’s charity and a waste of your time on your part.
It’s akin to forcing you to date women with fake D cups.
Yuck!
When I look at my Russian friend, my old elementary school classmate, Roissy, or even you, I see something that I don’t want to be. I see a hard, rigid masculinity that doesn’t leave any warmth and friendliness, but leaves a cold, frigid heart.
Nah, there is plenty of warmth and friendliness underneath. This evening being Valentine’s day, my Lady and I finished the evening off low key by hanging out in the computer room, me surfing the net and playing random MP3s and her getting the baby clothes in order. There was a bottle of wine, but with her being seven months along, I was the only one who partook. But then we spontaneously popped some videos into the laptop and had fun watching them with her sitting on my lap. The she went to bed, but me not being tired, I just continued chilling at the computer and playing music. Plenty of warmth and friendliness, dude.
Remember, you’re talking to a guy who can turn his dark skin red by blushing because a female friend (non-date) gave him a kiss on the cheek at work for Valentine’s Day. No alpha could experience the simple joy and pleasure that the little moment gave.
So you do appreciate the details. That’s good.
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@Jack
>I know a lot of guys with girlfriends, cute ones,
>that are not assholes.
If they weren’t assholes they’d let you do their girlfriends.
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@PA,
With her 7 months along, how are you holding up? It won’t be long before you and DA are both going to be looking at porn thinking about the sex you’re not having.
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So you do appreciate the details. That’s good.
That’s the main reason why I keep her around. Even with increasing doubts of her interest in being my friend, she somehow surprises me with something like the kiss today. She may not be high IQ, and she has her tendencies, but somehow, I do enjoy her company.
The details are important. Whether it’s the friendly hug, the hand holding, warm touch or being mesmerized by even the most mundane story or boring trivia note that I’m telling. I like my female friends because they make me feel special, and that’s something that not every girl can deliver in that type of relationship.
Nah, there is plenty of warmth and friendliness underneath.
I guess it doesn’t come out in the tone of a typical male conversation especially when it’s amplified in an online environment, but those guys don’t come across as the type who are even capable of what you did tonight. While my old classmate may talk about his fiancée and the stuff they do, it’s still somehow washed away by some of the other stuff he says. While I understand one not wanting to be a push-over, there’s a middle ground between being a push-over and mean spirited. My dad comes across as one of those guys who’s found the middle ground, but these guys don’t for some reason.
Absolutely right. She’s gotta be over your attractiveness threshold, or it’s charity and a waste of your time on your part.
As I’ve stated, I don’t want the ugly girls, and the attractive girls can do much better than me.
but with her being seven months along
I’ll miss your comments in two months.
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You betray yourself, Sara, by sympathizing with the poor, innocent little home wrecker and blaming it all on the man. All this does is guarantee a steady stream of shameless sluts who, because they apparently have no responsibility in the matter of infidelity, will simply indulge themselves and the men you look down upon. Do you see how this attitude has created the situation you claim to deplore?
It is not, in fact, male dominance that creates the cad; rather, it is the liberation of women from all responsibility for anything.
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dick fuel
I do it sitting down. It’s better than pissing all over the seat, floor and walls when the stream is being unpredictable.
The G Manifesto
Elaborate, then. Explain what my position has to do with life experience.
Taste in women in subjective.
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“It is not, in fact, male dominance that creates the cad; rather, it is the liberation of women from all responsibility for anything.”
The Cooper-Neal affair occurred in the late 1940s to early 1950s. Are you now blaming World War II and Rosy the Riveter as the “womens lib” event that causes all bad male behavior?
What a bunch of pissy little pussies you are, blaming women for your own lack of character. Look in the fucking mirror for a change.
The guys on this page are just like the radical feminists they condemn. Always blaming the other gender for your own fuck-up.
Both Cooper and Neal behaved badly, and our society is poorer for the loss of social norms that would condemn both.
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DA, PA might word it as learning game to please women, but I would go further and say that learning and using game is something you should do because you respect women.
Respect us for who we are, not who you wish we could be, to make things easier for you.
Respect our reality, which is that for us, respect is the seed of romantic love. If we don’t respect you, we’re not going to love you.
So be a respectable man, demand respect, and find women who will respect you.
It’s a two way thing.
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Co-signing Kthulah’s eloquent comment just above.
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Next week: How to game Cigstache.
Not be dead?
And even that’s probably negotiable.
Peter
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Did anyone else find last night to be a complete gong show? Valentine’s Day on a Saturday night. Tons of lonely girls wanting validation. Damn that was an education in female desire. I walked out with a few make outs and whole fist full of number closes.
Of course, number closes from drunk girls don’t mean shit, no matter how desperate they are. Let the flakeathon begin.
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I’m looking for the sarcasm in tokyo’s post about peeing sitting down, and I’m not seeing it. Seriously dude?
And last night was a swing and a miss for me. Not at all what I was expecting. Perhaps the crippling loneliness of not having a boyfriend on Valentine’s day is not the best mood-setter
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Welmer
You betray yourself, Sara, by sympathizing with the poor, innocent little home wrecker and blaming it all on the man.
I ain’t sayin’ she was blameless or without responsibilit, but that neither the womaniz-ee nor the womaniz-er are to be admired.
Keith
The guys on this page are just like the radical feminists they condemn. Always blaming the other gender for your own fuck-up.
Players and feminists wouldn’t exist without the other, so they’re both right. It’s all the others fault.
Jerrdoggy dogg
but if you’re in a hurry or there are some odd circumstances, I think it’s okay.
That was a nice answer considering my rudeness. I’m older and old fashioned and as I understand it what’s acceptable now wasn’t then. I made the mistake of making all the moves on my second husband and paid the price. My first husband made all the moves and I paid the price for that too. A balance is what works in the long run.
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David – there is hope for you yet
see the link
http://tinyurl.com/davidalexander
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roissy, as much as I enjoy your blog, I always spend a disproportionate amount of time crafting my replies, since desperate betas will leap upon a single weak sentence like it’s going out of style (and it is).
Do continue this series. I nominate Streetcar for your next analysis because I’m especially curious if Stanley’s infamous bellow (STELLAAAAAAAAAAAAA!) is considered alpha or beta. According to the text, his appeal stems from a working-class physique; but this is hardly the modern standard for alpha status and I’d like to see your dissection of his character.
Boru was particularly eloquent re: gaming cigstache, but a breakdown of how to game the gameless could be an interesting read. More specifically; how to game women lacking guile with signals of attraction. Game operates on the assumption that all women are flighty, hawk-eyed sirens of the classical greek tradition, who delight in luring betas to a weepy, watery demise and not-so-secretly lust for an Odysseus to conquer their stormy channels.
Rare as the legendary unicorn (indeed, some claim that no such creature exists), there DO exist women lacking the jaded quality of their sisters. The absence of these traits is usually attributed to either inexperience or idiocy, leading these women to be classified as sheltered ultra-virgins/warpigs or all-together unintelligent. I suspect the answer to approaching these women will either be 1) “minimal game required” or 2) “irrelevant”.
1) Much of roissy game places the woman on the defensive, requiring her to qualify herself instead of letting her qualify you. The neg is key for this move; however, the type in question will respond to a neg at best with a neutral “oh?”. She may be offended, but not as you’d like; If you are particularly careless, instead of engaging, she will withdraw from the conversation. She may tease or engage in playful banter, but the traditional shit-test is not in her arsenal. Nor does flattery win this creature; unless she is Rapunzel and has never laid eyes on another male, she will consider you a creep and disengage. This type is both refreshing and infuriating; her inability to recognize or wield shit-tests (negs would be considered the male equivalent, yes?) is both her greatest strength and weakness. By her defenselessness, she limits her opponent.
2) The chances that you will encounter such a creature (esp in DC, apparently) is slim, as the number of such women borders the mythic — nevertheless, I doubt such an encounter would be so tasteless that one wouldn’t bother.
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PA might word it as learning game to please women, but I would go further and say that learning and using game is something you should do because you respect women.
Does not compute.
I’m not saying using game is disrespectful to women, but as somebody who believes that women only love alphas, it’s absurd for me to try and attempt to emulate a bunch of behaviours and mannerisms that I wouldn’t be comfortable with in order to bang women.
So in other words, I respect women enough not to impose my unwanted ass upon them. I’m not going to waste their time when they want other men besides me.
So be a respectable man, demand respect, and find women who will respect you.
Being a respectable man does not always equate to using game.
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I don’t see why men should “respect” women or disrespect them. They are human beings, with typical failings and virtues that come with their sex, just like men.
If an individual women or man behaves in a way that demands respect, it should be given. Otherwise cautious neutral politeness is the best approach, with a full mature knowledge of likely flaws and virtues according to sex and age.
This demand for respect is typical by the way of women wanting it both ways: liberation from social standards that limit female sexuality and behavior, while demanding the retention of limits on male sexuality and behavior, from the bygone era of pre-Sexual Revolution. [In which, by the way, there was plenty of sex but the need for preservation of the nuclear family created various hypocrisies that preserved the smooth functioning of society.]
I suppose the big difference between DA and myself is he is an angy, bitter, disappointed utopian, and I am a “good enough” Burkean social conservative pragmatist.
He wants true love, and an ideal, exciting, movie-like life. Failing that, empty consumerism and pr0n and social isolation mixed with platonic relationships that inevitably end as the girl pursues a real sexual one with someone else.
I don’t care about the perfect, the good enough, society wide, is good enough for me and the tried-and-true methods of Western Civilization circa 1000 AD to 1965 or so is good enough. It is not perfect, nor will it give perfect love to any man or woman (which is in any case unobtainable and as ridiculous a concept as a Platonic form).
Indeed, as opposed the hypothetical but impossible perfect love with the perfect Alpha tamed by the perfect beauty of the perfect woman, actual breathing, aging, farting, inconvenient body hair possessing, inevitably flawed human beings that are women would be far happier, choosing the best guy they can wisely, in their twenties, having kids with him early, pursuing their career, in a good enough, faithful, loving, monogamous marriage that produces a lifetime of attachment, affection, love, and most importantly, middle class family with two loving parents.
Note btw the idealization of women. Women are not ideal creatures of perfect beauty and moral perfection. Most are utterly average, and would do well with an utterly average husband that loved them, and them alone, rather than meaningless hookups certain to lead to lonely old age and pathetic collections of cats.
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:: would smack David with Wikipedia if it weren’t virtual…hey, we are online…so : smacks David with Wikipedia open to the page on alpha as a biological term : ::
David, a family is a group of humans. Human social hierarchy is overlapping and often shared between genders. It doesn’t matter if she’s the alphalphiest of alpha females so long as you’re capable of being the alpha male in your family.
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Where did I mention Rosie the Riveter?
Fuck you, too. I’m raising my children alone — I don’t have time for vanity.
If guys here were like radical feminists we’d all have tenure at universities or taxpayer-funded jobs in social services. We’d be getting paid to blame the other gender.
But Sara only condemned one. That was my point, moron.
So I guess you do have a similar outlook on the situation, but you blame players for feminism.
Just out of curiosity, why is it that feminists attack traditional men with far more vigor than they do your standard player?
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Indeed, as opposed the hypothetical but impossible perfect love with the perfect Alpha tamed by the perfect beauty of the perfect woman, actual breathing, aging, farting, inconvenient body hair possessing, inevitably flawed human beings that are women would be far happier, choosing the best guy they can wisely, in their twenties, having kids with him early, pursuing their career, in a good enough, faithful, loving, monogamous marriage that produces a lifetime of attachment, affection, love, and most importantly, middle class family with two loving parents.
This is the Whiskey(tender moment) that I love.
Women are not ideal creatures of perfect beauty and moral perfection. Most are utterly average, and would do well with an utterly average husband that loved them, and them alone, rather than meaningless hookups
certain to lead to lonely old age and pathetic collections of cats.
I agree with this 100%. I just don’t understand why you would prefer that woman have children while still very young. Maybe I should ask at what age do you think it is ideal for women to have children? I think 29-31 years of age is perfect. Raising children isn’t easy, although technology has made it easier, the move away from extended families has made it more difficult. Children are also expensive.
btw, i like cats
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“Of course, number closes from drunk girls don’t mean shit, no matter how desperate they are. Let the flakeathon begin.”
That’s the truth. I guess that’s the reason for the rise of Day Game. Then again, picking up drunk chicks increases odds for a same-night lay; so i guess it’s a tradeoff.
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I suppose the big difference between DA and myself is he is an angy, bitter, disappointed utopian, and I am a “good enough” Burkean social conservative pragmatist.
While bitter may be a harsh word to use in this instance, you could say that I’m the utopia holding out for a better model, while you’re satisfied with the old arrangements.
He wants true love, and an ideal, exciting, movie-like life. Failing that, empty consumerism and pr0n and social isolation mixed with platonic relationships that inevitably end as the girl pursues a real sexual one with someone else.
When one looks at the relationships of the older adults around me, I’d argue it probably makes more sense to hold out for true love than to go for what’s available and willing since in the long-term, it appears that both partners can become bitter and hostile towards each other. The attachment may exist simply due to humans being creatures of habit, but the love is long gone.
Regardless, I don’t see anything particularly wrong about consumerism, and I may be the first to openly say that some possessions can give you a better return on emotional health than certain classes of friends and family. In turn, porn gives me access to women with visual sexuality and appeal that doesn’t exist in real life. Amateur porn just basically proves why so many women have sex with the lights off.
As for platonic relationships, oddly, as the women become older and age out of being considered for marriage, even my loser beta ass can become valuable in terms of friendship.
the good enough
The problem is that once the veil has been revealed from the dynamics of male/female relations, there’s no incentive to go back to the old way. Yeah, as PA pointed out, there are the little things in a relationship, but the big picture is that we’re stuck with third rate sex from a depreciating female beauty that would prefer somebody else. When you see alpha males scoring better looking women and having better sex, once can easily become depressed and discouraged about dealing with normal women who look god awful when naked and exude a sexuality that brings not arousal, but humour similar to that of watching young children playing house.
having kids with him early, pursuing their career
Having kids early defeats the purpose of the career. The career is supposed to pay for a comfortable lifestyle without children interfering with that. Kids get in the way of buying nice clothes, looking attractive, and travel for females. Plus, having kids in a committed relationship destroys whatever is left of her sex drive and desire for the beta, leaving him stuck with an expensive wife and child to maintain, but with no sex and free time. In other words, he too is up in the middle of the night jerking off to better looking porn, but stuck with the expenses of a family.
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PA my Lady and I finished the evening off low key by hanging out in the computer room
PA, you have turned into a weird mix of Tupac and J5.
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Indeed, as opposed the hypothetical but impossible perfect love with the perfect Alpha tamed by the perfect beauty of the perfect woman, actual breathing, aging, farting, inconvenient body hair possessing, inevitably flawed human beings that are women
Say, what’s this about inconvenient body hair?
Peter
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I am officially a day game convert. I’ve never really tried it, but after this Valentine’s day weekend, I have come to realise that clubs are absolutely worthless for meeting women. Maybe it’s the city in which I live, I don’t know, but the egos in nightclubs here are massive. I am basically a 10 on the guy scale, and I couldn’t even get 5s to talk to me this weekend, on supposedly the biggest hook up night of the year.
I am completely flummoxed. I’m social and can banter pretty well, but haven’t mastered the initial 5 minutes of “you know why you suck?” material. So I go in with “hey, how’s it going?” and get looks of horror as if I had just confessed to raping puppies or something.
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PA, you have turned into a weird mix of Tupac and J5.
Tupac flirts with female commenters and J5 sings odes to his turbocharged sex drive. I do neither.
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Let me jump in here and join Mike B. in cosigning Nicole’s comments to Dave Alex, but also to offer a bit of analysis after giving his situation a bit of thought.
Dave, your analysis on its face sounds very reasonable: Women can never truly love Beta Males, and would only tolerate him long enough to secure financing of their lifestyle; they will still pine away for the Alpha Male and at the first chance to bed him, go for it, leaving poor Mr. Beta holding the (financial) bag. Therefore, for you, the most reasonable course of action is to remain in effect celibate, enjoying all the amenities that a post modern world can afford a young Man such as yourself.
Now…
Let’s put aside for the moment, the fact that the de facto self-imposed celibacy deal is highly dysfunctional, and WILL MANIFEST in serious behavioral problems as time goes on (and please don’t try to challenge me on this, the evidence is legion, from the Vatican to Cho and Atta), but that your central thesis is severely flawed. And, unlike so many other guys in this venue, I can relate especially well to you, because I look like you, come from a similar background classwise as you, and so forth.
In other words Dave, your bullshit theories won’t fly with me.
You see Dave, what you make sound noble is in fact a cover for your own cowardice. That’s right. You are a coward. You have this idiotic, if not infantile, view of the world that says, that a Woman should love you for you. Translation: that you shouldn’t have to do *anything* in the least to improve yourself.
My Man, what you’re looking for ain’t a Woman, but a Mama. You already got one, you live under the same roof with her. She is the only Female who will love you unconditionally; EVERYONE ELSE, won’t. Period.
It’s a shock to the system, I know, Dave. But it’s true-and its better you wise up to this fact, something your father should have told you, now, than for you to learn this the hard way, 20 years from now.
Love is not unconditional, which in my view is a good thing. Why not have to put your best foot forward? Isn’t she worth it? Aren’t you?
Ahh, but you see, Dave…you’re afraid of failure. Rejection. All Men are, no matter what they show on the outside. Even me.
Let me tell you Dave, I’ve stared down loaded guns; been shot at; been attacked by groups of mean hombres; lived among ruthless drug dealers, serial rapists, child molesters, contract killers; buried kith and kin alike; and I have NEVER been as afraid, in the whole of my life, than I was last month, when I approached that hot chick on the subway. Getting shot at was a cakewalk.
I did it because I didn’t want to be looking back on my life, in my twilight years, thinking of what could have been. So win, lose or draw, I stepped to her.
The jury’s still out if I was successful or not.
You should go back to DT’s comments to you on the Obama thread and read them over. Powerful stuff, man. Powerful stuff.
You’re not living, Dave. All the talk about enjoying your lifestyle and whatnot, is BS. You’re just marking time. And believe me, the time will use you, if you don’t use it.
So…why do you persist in coming to venues like these, if you are truly happy w/the decisions you’ve made? I think I have the answer.
And it comes from Mystery’s book, in fact. We as human beings are wired to be social creatures. It is highly dysfunctional for any of us to be alone for too long a period of time. For males, when he is not meeting his objective-making sure he leaves a genetic legacy-his subconscious mind will drive him to it.
This explains why you keep coming here Dave, your inner self betrays your cool and reasoned “approach”. You are human. It is human to both want to interact socially with others, and to mate. There’s simply no getting around that fact.
Now, about your oft-repeated refrain about Women and Betas; burn it. In the main, not true. How do I know?
Dave, I probably make less than most of the guys here; I’m Black; I’m Blue Collar; and the only degree I hold is from highschool. Yet I just got finished making a lady cum, hard, at least a dozen times over the past 72 hours. She make me cake, drew my bath, and gave me back massages, too. Just saw her off on the train.
I’m talking about this, meanwhile just about all the other guys are talking about anything BUT the good time they had w/a Woman this weekend. Yet the Woman I was with easily makes twice as much as me.
What is up with that?
Well, I’ll tell you. Einstein is credited as having said, that Genius, is knowing what’s important. It aint about the money, man. Or about what you do for a living, either. Its about what kind of Man you are, on the inside. And the fact that you don’t hear too much talk of the sort I’m doing here among far too many guys, is a damning indictment of just what kind of people they are.
But the great thing about all that is Game can help a Man change for the better. As is well know by now, I have a different take on it than others here. And a different result. It is what you make it, and what you bring to it is what will shape the end product.
I asked you about the 6 characteristics of an Alpha Male; you reported only possessing one, you smiled. You can just as easily acquire the others, man. It don’t take goo gobs of money, becoming someone you’re not, or some other such lame excuse to keep from actually having to take responsibility for your life. When I first read that in the Game, I had to take a seriously long look in the mirror. I think that’s what rankles a lot of guys most about Game, contrary to the pat arguments against it-because it forces you to be brutally honest about yourself. And the truth is, most Men are not very introspective. Which explains why they aren’t that successful with Women either. Because Women are wired for introspection.
You know, I’ll share something else w/you. I’ve found, that some of the biggest detractors of Game, aren’t Women-its Men. One of my pet projects have been to interview Women who have been exposed in one way or another to the PUA community, and to a Woman, they’re all supportive of it. My theory for why that is, has to do with the fact that Women recognize a kind of society of guys trying to improve themselves. And that’s a good thing.
Anyway, my stop on the train’s coming up. Listen Dave, you a grown assed Man, you can do what you wanna. But just be clear on why you’re doing what you’re doing. You an’t being noble and you damn sure aint being rational or logical. You just plain out afraid. Not just afraid of Women, but more importantly, afraid of Living.
Time can be your best friend or your worst enemy, man. Choose wisely.
David Alexander, your Life is calling…
Somebody please answer the phone…
The Obsidian
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It doesn’t matter if she’s the alphalphiest of alpha females so long as you’re capable of being the alpha male in your family.
I used to believe in that, but I learned that’s utterly pointless when there are real alphas in the real world. The concept of a man being an localized alpha is just something that betas tell themselves so they won’t cry at night. I will never be an alpha whether in a global sense or local sense.
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Welmer asks, “…why is it that feminists attack traditional men with far more vigor than they do your standard player?”
It’s like the old saying, “He who does the work, gets the blame.”
You get attacked because you’re the “idiot” who stays around to be attacked. You hear their cries because you listen.
Just as they should shift their focus away from the minority, the womanizing dishonest sort of players, you should shift your focus to the majority of women who are not truly invested in feminism for anything but its role in equal rights.
Those women are desperate for actual men, but just as most men have been badly programmed, so have most women these days. You have to make a decision that change starts with you.
The good news for you is that in this case, if you go against the social grain, you’re goose stepping in perfect timing with Mother Nature. Do that, and you simply cannot go wrong, even though you will have to pay the price of being feared and even loathed by those overly invested in harmfully unnatural systems.
It helps me to remember a quote from V for Vendetta…
“Beneath this mask is more than flesh. Beneath this mask is an idea…and ideas are bulletproof!”
Now there was a recent movie character with serious game. 😉
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David, are you saying that you can’t say no to a woman?
Really, I’d like to know what is so un-alpha about you.
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I hope no one, especially David, overlooked O’s long comment above.
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Almost all women want alphas – but different types of women have different opinions of what an alpha is
to some women, a muscular gruff aggressive man who commands respect through toughness and thug like behaviour is an alpha.
other women are much more money focused – their dream is to marry a man with 20 million dollars, not to be with a thug
The competition to marry a man with $20 million dollars is a tournament. Should women enter this tournament or should they avoid it?
It may be very logical for a woman to enter this tournament.
If a woman is a 9 and a half, grows up in an upper middle class household in Ohio, she probably has the chance to marry a sane stable provider husband in Ohio at the age of 22. Should she do it or should she move to West LA in a quest to marry the man with $20 million?
It seems logical for her to move to West LA to aggressively meet the men with $20 million – spend from 22 to 28 doing this – and if she is not married by 28 to THEN move back to Ohio.
At 28 she can probably marry a man almost as good as the ones available to her at the age of 22. So her opportunity cost is pretty low. She has a good fall back position
I would say that for manay of these 9 and a half women the move to West LA to try to marry $20 million men is logical –
If the young woman in question is a Mormon in Salt Lake city, the calculation is different. She has access to the same solid husbands in Salt Lake at 22. However if she moves to LA from 22 to 28 and then moves back to Salt Lake at 28, the husbands accessible to her at 28 will be much much much lower end than the ones that were available to her at 22. The mormon men are much less interested in a woman who spent 22 to 28 in West LA
so i would say that for the 9 and a half that is mormon, even if her odds of marrying the $20 million man in West LA are identical, it is NOT logical for her to move to West LA and enter that tournament
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so women who want thugs compete for the thugs right in the city in which they were born. women who want to marry the $20 million men move to other cities – NYC, West LA, etc
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MUYet I just got finished making a lady cum, hard, at least a dozen times over the past 72 hours
Damn I am so jealous of women like this^^^. I don’t think I’ll ever become such a woman. I have a good friend who can do that and she is a good christen girl. So why her and not me… I don’t have the religious guilt holding me back, why is she able to release so easily and I’m like the little train that could???
*bands head against the wall*
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Obsidian, great post.
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PA said —
“I’ve known women like Cigstache back in my white trash days, living in the South, working in restaurants. Assuming she’s not retarded, she is probably a cool broad.”
You’re a pretty interesting guy PA. That comes from months not especially the quote above. Wish you’d start a personal history blog — or something.
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As long as I’m in vile sycophant mode, that was a kick ass post by whiskey as well. Everyone should read, and then read again, both whiskey’s and obsidian’s posts above. Obsidian explains how you can’t win if you don’t play (and the rationalizations that hold us back), and whiskey gives some insight as to what a real win might look like. It’s important to understand both.
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David Alexander said–
“1) Poor sexual skills
2) Inability to attract women that create sexual desire
3) Masturbation bringing high quality orgasms
Then hugs bring better benefits than sex since it creates the feeling that you’re doing something and being helpful and useful, while creating a feeling of acceptance.”
I completely agree that you are not worthy enough to reproduce or to have frequent or maybe any penetrative sex with a woman. I do think you should marry some bit titted white six or best you can do though, and slave overtime for her, so that I can fuck her on the side and give her and you the white kids you crave.
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That should read, the high IQ white kids you crave. Went to Stanford but my daddy didn’t. Way high.
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David, are you saying that you can’t say no to a woman?
Yes, I can say no to a woman. Even as a mommy’s boy, I say no to my mother. Do feelings of guilt develop, sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Really, I’d like to know what is so un-alpha about you.
I don’t have the mean-spirited, douchebaggy attitude of an alpha.
You are a coward. You have this idiotic, if not infantile, view of the world that says, that a Woman should love you for you. Translation: that you shouldn’t have to do *anything* in the least to improve yourself.
Fair enough, I’ll admit to being a coward.
Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with that stance as long as one is well aware of the consequences. In exchange for being content with myself, I gave up the right to have access to have sex with a woman. It’s not an act of noblesse oblige, but it’s simply a realization on my part that I’m not willing to change, and that stubbornness has a cost that I’m willing to accept. I am not one of the crybabies expecting females to magically love me, but I’m realistic enough to know that no girl will ever want me.
EVERYONE ELSE, won’t.
Congratulations, another ringing endorsement for avoiding relationships. In other words, I’m stuck hoping and praying that somebody might love me? At that point, it may make more sense to simply avoid that mess and the perpetual up and down ride of discovering that the person who I thought loved me doesn’t love me. Of course, it is obvious that no female would ever love me in the way that my mom did, but once you see that fact written in words, it just simply highlights why holding out may make more sense.
You should go back to DT’s comments
His comments were as valuable as bucket of spit.
I’ve stared down loaded guns; been shot at
Dude, either you’re bullshitting us, or there’s no way that asking a girl out creates greater fear than possibly dying.
So…why do you persist in coming to venues like these, if you are truly happy w/the decisions you’ve made? I think I have the answer.
I’ll be candid and admit that I like the attention that I get here from commenting. Hell, not commenting on a daily basis feels rather weird at moments, and could confuse my posting habits with an addiction. Mind you, this is not in some magical quest to leave behind progeny that will have a no future, but it’s simply because somebody is *listening* to my semi-insane rants that nobody in the real world can understand or confront. The same stuff that I talk about here only seems to annoy the few male friends that I have, and has driven away some old female friends.
Admittedly, if I had more money, I’d probably be out more often either roadgeeking, railfanning, or taking photos, but I make crap, so I get to play here.
What is up with that?
I could argue that it’s because the women in Philly are third rate losers who have no other choices, but that would be insulting. I would guess that you magically attracted her with the magic of game. You were able to emulate alpha male techniques in a way that convinced her to have sex with you, and quite frankly, I have nothing against that because it works best for you.
Time can be your best friend or your worst enemy, man. Choose wisely.
I’m 25. By the time I finish school, I’ll be 28. That ship sailed from port a long time ago, and I just need to concentrate on finishing school, building up a nest egg, and enjoying my hobbies. It doesn’t make sense to go out and chase women who don’t want me, or to change and become uncomfortable to suit their tastes.
I hope no one, especially David, overlooked O’s long comment above.
(Yawn!)
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so that I can fuck her on the side and give her and you the white kids you crave
Now just because I’m an impotent, useless beta tool doesn’t mean that I have to accept your shitty attempts at cuckholding. I will not tolerate a sexless marriage, and I certainly won’t tolerate raising your cursed spawn.
Obsidian explains how you can’t win if you don’t play
Why play if you’re going to lose? Why put a product on the market that nobody will buy?
whiskey gives some insight as to what a real win might look like
Roissy is the winner. Everybody else is a loser who thinks they won. I’m watching the losers delude themselves into thinking that they’re winners.
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PA, now you know I’m not rabidly anti fat, even though some fat chicks view me as the adipose equivalent of a recent quitter of smoking, but…
Cool broads look like this. They look like our moms and grandmas but fun or casual. They bathe, and use old fashioned cream deodorant, wear foundation garments that fuel the fantasies of chubby chasers, subs, and cougars’ puppies alike. They’re the big women who have a sweet old or even bigger and butcher boyfriend, and when they hug you, you’ve been HUGGED.
That cigstache lady…she scares me.
She would scare me in a biker bar.
I would stick closer to whoever was my most bad assed male friend if I saw those cold blue eyes on me.
She would have to have some kind of stunningly sweet smile or friendly laugh to make me stop being scared of her…and I’ve never seen or heard either come out of anyone who looked like her, and I’ve been alot of places.
Maybe this was just a bad morning for her, and she was on her way to the salon, and is letting her bangs grow out. I don’t know…but at the moment that photo was taken, she looked like smoking death in a butterfly shirt.
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David says, “I don’t have the mean-spirited, douchebaggy attitude of an alpha.”
I don’t know about mean spirited, but I’d say you’ve got douchebag on lock.
You are one stubborn asshole sometimes.
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Hi Chic,
I don’t normally do this, but in light of your question, I’m going to make an exception and give up a bit of tape.
A lot of my Brothers in Game have a view, that a Woman is good for little more than what’s known as a “pump and dump”. Now of course, I find such a strategem to be anathema to me; why put so much time and effort into something so…quick & easy & cheap?
A whole lot of guys couldn’t care less what makes you, Chic, as a Woman tick, and a good portion of the remaining guys wouldn’t know if they’re lives depended on it. Both only care about getting their shit off, which in itself isn’t a bad thing; but let’s be honest. It don’t take much for a Man to bust a nut, all Men know that.
Me, I have a different “mission” so to speak-make sure the Lady has a very good time. If she does, I definitely will.
Trust and emotions are very important for Women; if a Man doesn’t win the former and doesn’t forge a connection on the latter with her, sex will be meaningless. Unless of course, you as a guy are just trying to get your shit off. I’m not.
Its my view that you’re having a difficult time Chic, because the Men you’ve come accross don’t care to take the time to relate to you on an emotional level, which translates into there being no trust between you. It takes a whole lot for a Woman to be able to let go like that.
Last night me and Brown Sugah dined on each other 69-style for the better part of an hour; I was in no rush at all to “hit it”. Just making sure she had a nice time. Judging by the way she called out for Jesus in between semi-coherent murmurs, I’d say I did a reasonably good job.
Unless a Man gets the trust of a Woman and takes the time to make an emotional connection with her too, the chances are very high that she will not climax during sex.
And to do both, takes time. All good Seductions, do.
Hope this answers your question, somewhat.
O
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People analysing HUD and noting that Hud never actually got Alama to concensually have sex with him need to understand a few things.
The producers’ and writers’ intention was for HUD to be taken as a clear villain by the movie audience — villain of the womanizing sort. Look it up. That’s unarguable fact. Instead he became a hot, hot, hot heart throb to women and bad boy icon to men. So they pulled out all the conventional stops to make him villaneous in the script. Don’t be confused. The contemporary (not yet feminist propagandized) audience wasn’t.
He attempted to forefully come on/rape Alama when he was very, very drunk. It’s clear he thought he was only forcefully leading her to what she really wanted. Further, it’s clear he was right. It was her social / commitment brain saying no but her monkey brain was saying, no SCREAMING, yes.
Yes she did end up saying no and was pulled off by his younger brother. Of course she left by bus the next day cause else if she stayed in that house as housekeeper in that culture she would have had to become Hud’s plaything. She couldn’t deny her interest and she would have submitted given that all formalities and boundaries had been broken. Of course today he’d be jailed. At least if white and in a very “blue” (should be red of course) state like cali or NY.
It’s clear that eventually Alma would have fallen to Hud’s advances, if he’d paid enough attention to her. But really he didn’t. He just played with her when they were around each other, often enough given she was housekeeper to his household, to pass the time as much as anything.
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Dave Alex,
Just have to respond to your notion that an Alpha equates to being a “asshole douchebag”; not so for me. Now, there’s a big distinction *I think*, between being “cocky funny”, and being an asshole douchebag. You can be smart alecky w/o being a jerk. Subtlety is the key. Women appreciate Men who can recognize the difference.
I have a very good friend, who’s never, ever, been a jerk around or amongst Women. He’s lost count around 500 of them he’s bedded, from accross the country. Yea, being a jerk can and does get one laid, but that’s not the only “game” in town. He’s the living proof of that.
And I don’t do such things either. Never have, and don’t intend to start, right now. So I guess we’re on the same page when it comes to being someone you’re not, hmm?
As for your mild speculation, that Philly Women are losers, sure, you’ll find them just like you’ll find their Male counterparts in Philly or anyplace else. But, you left something out-Miss Brown Sugah ain’t from Philly…and by all accounts, she ain’t a loser either, if one considers educational attainment/income and the like important…like you do.
Here’s a radical thought: what if the reason why I had a nice weekend, had simply to do w/the fact that I took the best parts of myself and polished them up a bit? Hmm? Could that have anything to do with it?
Are we learning yet, Dave?
😉
O
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I don’t know about mean spirited, but I’d say you’ve got douchebag on lock.
Why do you think I’m a douchebag?
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Sara —
“The mistake ya’ll are making is in the thinking that insecure assholes like the character Paul Newman plays in Hud are worth emulating.”
Sara you are such an idiot. A very (older) female idiot I’ll concede and I’ll ok admit to occasionally feeling some attraction to you femaleness.
Hud is not remotely insecure. Just ridicuous. Also, it’s really rather incongrous that he keeps trying to force himself on Alma, even though extremely drunk. In real life he would have said fuck it. The movie producers and writers wanted him vilaneous. Even in the movie it’s clear that he was right in knowing she really deeply wanted him, it was just her superconscious that was saying no.
So yeah he’s worth emulating. Just don’t press beyond the clear no. Even when near pass out drunk. Or try. The trials of manhood in these feminazi times, at least in the bluest states.
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Are we learning yet, Dave?
You learned game. You used game to meet a female. You had sex.
I didn’t learn game. I didn’t use game to meet a female. I masturbated until 6 AM this morning.
I see nothing new here.
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lol at ASDF – sorry you struck out like that, but the whole raping puppies comparison totally made me laugh. thanks for that! next time, bring 1 or 2 hot girl friends and order bottle service. ladies will be shoving each other out of the way to join your table.
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re chic and O’s reply: “Unless a Man gets the trust of a Woman and takes the time to make an emotional connection with her too, the chances are very high that she will not climax during sex. ”
co-sign that completely. it’s about being able to relax and enjoy yourself. if you can find a guy you feel comfortable with, it’s easier to communicate re what turns you on. a guy could go down on you for hours but if he’s not tuned in to (or doesn’t care about) how you’re responding you’ll never reach orgasm. otoh, if he knows what turns you on and can get you to relax, he’ll have you shaking in no time.
same thing with orgasms from intercourse. for most women, this is really difficult to achieve on a regular basis unless the guy takes the time to (i) figure out what works for you and (ii) keep doing that until you come.
or you could just rendezvous with racer x. he seems to know his stuff. 🙂
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David, Obsidian is 40, you are 25. That is a huge difference in points of view. Which partly explains why you see things so differently from the way he does. But he’s got one big thing on you: he knows what it’s like to be 25. You don’t know what it’s like to be 40.
We age, dude.
That doesn’t just mean the obvious things. I look at my two o m e g a male friends, of whom I’ve written here, “Mike” and “Ace.” In a way, they both drew bad cards when those were dealt, Ace more so.
They are both approaching 40 and Mike decided to do something about his situation; he joined my gym, quit smoking pot, is studying game, started going out to happy hour with girls from his work, and so on. On Friday evening, he and I got done with our gym workouts and shot the shit over a couple of beers. All I can say, is that his trajectory is good. He may or may not reach his goal, but the fact that he’s forced himself to confront his problems is has made the bastard a positive and happier guy.
And from what Ace grudgingly tells me (they work together) he’s getting more respect from the guys at work, same guys who used to give him shit al the time. And no, he’s not turning into a macho douchebag. He’s turning from an o m e g a wierdo who grates on people’s nerves — and he wasn’t always like that — into a pleasant guy to have a conversation with. And visibly less angry.
And lemme warn you about that anger. If you are alone past your mid 30s, you will get that anger too. And that grate-on-peoples’ nerves wierdness. As Obsidain said, self-imposed celibacy is highly dysfunctional, and will manifest in serious behavioral problems as time goes on.
Ace, on the other hand, says that he’s beyond Game’s reach, but he’s a whole different story, and he’s not a typical guy.
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Dougjnn: thanks dude! I actually do have a blog, on which I have exactly one entry, written last summer.
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David, you’re a douchebag because your preferred physical type is straight out of porn even down to the ornamentation. The need for women to look like that just to get a moderate boner from you is indicative of douchebaggery with a touch of sadism.
A girl who meets you and tracks your eyes (which we do consciously or unconsciously) doesn’t care how you got that way. We’ll just see that you are that way, and peg you as a douchebag who’s looking for someone who at least dresses like a hoe…a kind of hypercouture half-hoe.
Those are the kinds of women douchebags go for as some kind of club rule or something.
All you need is a bad English logo’ed atrocious yellow t-shirt and a fade with some kind of pattern etched into a corner of it.
Then there’s the horrid “the world is against me” attitude. That’s douchebag standard to make all the girls you will be shagging if you look enough like a DJ (even a fat one) feel better about themselves. You’re just scared of a commitment because a poodle bit you in childhood or somesuch…
All douchebags are David Alexanders deep down. You’re just the douchebag who’s resisting the strappy green pants.
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Its my view that you’re having a difficult time Chic, because the Men you’ve come accross don’t care to take the time to relate to you on an emotional level, which translates into there being no trust between you
Mu, I can’t blame it on my former boyfriend. He really put in a lot of effort, it’s just me. I’m not DA like down in the dumps about it but my inability to just let go does bother me. I have a golden rule, no lick no stick so I get a little bit of enjoyment from the act but nothing like what brown sugar got 😦
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DBor you could just rendezvous with racer x. he seems to know his stuff.
Sadly, I’m not his type. You on the other hand are. I have another prospect thought 🙂
*waits for chris to call*
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Kthula, your point about the distinction between creepy ugly women vs cool older broads has lots of merit. But what I really was saying is that I’ve met significantly older women who were beyond-ugly, and more often than not, as I recall it there was something cool and almost guy-like about them that made them pretty good company.
Maybe it was a good attitude they developed to compensate for their uglyness, or the zero-tension asexuality that they were used to in dealing with men, or just the fact that I was a young guy who’d talk to them, I dunno.
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David Alexander-
“I’ll be candid and admit that I like the attention that I get here from commenting.”
Everyone-
Please stop feeding this repetitive boring troll.
David Alexander-
You won’t annoy some random female with your douchbaggy loser presence yet you seem to have no problem shitting all over the comments sections of interesting blogs. Take that same “I don’t care about other people at all” attitude and just speak to women. Or don’t but apply that attitude towards your worthless contributions in blog comments.
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db….well thanks for the compliment. Coming from someone as hot as yourself I appreciate that. And yes, I do know my stuff. You seem to know a few things too…
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DA:
I cosign the notion that, yes David Alexander, you are being a massive douchebag right now.
Your response to Obsidian pretty much seals it. There’s a dude pretty much laying it all out at his frankest most genuine intention, and you call bullshit on him.
Note, not just disagree, or say it doesn’t apply to you, but you call bullshit on him.
Dude, that’s a type of douchebag behavior that puts a lot of what Roissy posts about to shame.
Also, just as a note? I have a “type” too. Black hair, blue eyed, pale skinned, slender gamine faced artist. Of all the girls I’ve been with, do you know how many were the “type”?
Zero.
Hell, I haven’t even dated a girl with both black hair and blue eyes.
Does that mean all the other girls I’ve been with have been letdowns? No, not at all. You live and you learn and you take what life throws your way and work with it.
You can talk about how being short and black and geeky makes it impossible.
Dude, I collect fucking comic books. Any girl I take home is going to notice my closet overflowing with them. You know what? All in all, they don’t give a shit. Hell, some of them even giggle at the comic version of The Kama Sutra I keep near my bed. I don’t need to bombard them with my fucking hobbies, which is 90% of the geek turnoff factor.
Like Obsidian said, changing is hard, and I think he plays it down as a bit too easy. My biggest romantic problem (black dog days of depression) hasn’t gone away, despite years of battling it. Does that mean I give up and take my marbles home? Fuck no. You shouldn’t either, but if you are, don’t fucking come here and whine about it.
This ain’t about being an alpha or player (I consider myself neither, nor do I aspire to it), but simply about being a man and not a fucking kid.
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We age, dude.
I know. It’s rather scary. My niece and nephew now think of me as a “grown up”.
If you are alone past your mid 30s, you will get that anger too.
So, I’ll just simply find a way to avoid the anger without resorting to game, and without resorting to sex.
The need for women to look like that just to get a moderate boner from you is indicative of douchebaggery with a touch of sadism.
I guess that makes me a douchebag, but that’s what I like. As some women may have specific tastes, some men have specific tastes, and if one is willing to understand the consequences for sticking with those tastes, then there’s nothing neccessarily wrong about it. I’m also aware that I’ll also have to accept if those women want nothing to do with me.
I may not find you attractive, but if I treat you well, does it really matter?
A girl who meets you and tracks your eyes
Non-date has noticed my wandering eyes whenever I look at other women, and has openly stated this. I suspect other female friends have noted it, but are just not willing to tell. Mind you, they’re my female friends, and they know that they’re in the “sexless” status, so they don’t have anything to worry about.
Then there’s the horrid “the world is against me” attitude.
I damn well know that the world isn’t against me. I’m simply trying to explain my views…
Take that same “I don’t care about other people at all” attitude and just speak to women.
Firstly, I’ll only leave if Roissy tells me to leave. Secondly, it’s easy to ignore my comments on a blog. It’s much harder to ignore my ugly face and annoying voice in the real world.
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DB, I’m offically dead. I just checked Racer’s page.
Spike You can talk about how being short and black and geeky makes it impossible.
Spike, DA is full of shit. Being short,black and geeky is a good thing. I know a few guys who are more Pharrel and Kayne less DMX & JaRule and they do very well with the ladies. Part of DA’s problem is his incessant self hatred and attention whoring. A male attention whore is the worst. I hate to be in their company for more than two minutes and I tune most people out after 30 seconds.
If a “10” was in his bedroom but naked, DA would talk out her out of it. I can just hear him now
“ but you don’t want any of my beta loser 2 inch Haitian peen”
“why do me when there is so much high iq Asian and Jewish pean for you to enjoy”
*said as DA’s ten prepares to mount him*
“ I’m a student at the community college and I flunked out engineering school”
*pean goes down every time DA remembers he flunked out of college*
10 has the face and body of a goddess and a tight puss like that of a 90 year old nun.
*DA pushes her off just as she is building some rhythm. *
Tells 10 she should just give him a hug instead.
btw, I love your blog Spike
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@db
>turns you on. a guy could go down on you
>for hours but if he’s not tuned in to (or
>doesn’t care about) how you’re responding
>you’ll never reach orgasm. otoh, if he
In the 21st century are there really guys out there that are that clueless? Isn’t interacting with how a woman responds the whole point of doing this?
@ASDF
you might have been getting such a hostile reaction just cause everyone out that night was already a happy couple. I never really thought of v-day as a great day for singles to go out but rather stay in and sulk.
I found myself unable to go out last night and was stuck in my house. Too bad because I’ve nearly got 2 potential mistresses in good2go state. I did the online chat thing for the first time out of sheer boredom. So many depressed loser women on line on v-day. I really don’t see what people get out of this online chat thing. It’s either whore ads or some socially marginal woman who’s never really had a decent man in her life. Really sad.
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David, you might call yourself treating your non date girlfriends well, but from what you’ve said, you’re just stringing them along for the ego boost.
Do you tell them from the beginning that you think they’re ugly and they have absolutely no chance to be anything but *your* emotional tampons?
You are an asshole…just in denial.
I’ll tell you a little secret that’s related to whores not liking sex: douchebags don’t really like sex either. Nothing is ever as good for them as masturbation to porn. This is why they go for girls who have the porn look. So all you’re doing is what you think is safe douchebaggery. Fat girls are just easier targets for you to use and manipulate to feed your ego.
The honest thing to do would be to get your damn polo shirt and Abercrombie jeans, get a zigzag haircut and get your ass to a giant club while you’re still young enough not to look creepy doing it.
…or become a DJ.
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There’s a dude pretty much laying it all out at his frankest most genuine intention, and you call bullshit on him.
I guess I’m teh douchebag because I simply thought something was up with his claim that asking a girl out was the scariest thing in his life. There’s no way this guy could be a real player if he feared women in such a way even with game. Something is just unusually fishy here.
Of all the girls I’ve been with, do you know how many were the “type”?
Zero.
I’ll refrain from making assumptions about the women that you’ve met, but were these women attractive to you? If they were, it’s relatively understandable as to why you went down that route. If you weren’t attracted to these women, why would you bother women them in anything other than a platonic context?
You can talk about how being short and black and geeky makes it impossible.
I wouldn’t say that’s it’s impossible, but it’s simply more difficult than for the average guy. When you combine low wages, low-ranking job, no college degree, unattractive looks, and boring interests, then it makes things a bit more difficult than for somebody with mainstream tastes. As evidenced by the couple of seconds of dead air between a recent conversation with a friend, once I run out of my true stories, embelishments, and lies, I don’t have much to talk about that doesn’t bore the shit out of the average person. Now, if I’m able to bore my friends, imagine what will happen to a random woman on the street?
If a “10” was in his bedroom but naked, DA would talk out her out of it.
I’d probably end up presuming something was massively wrong with her since she could do much better than me.
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…and don’t forget to pop the freakin’ collar.
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I’d probably end up presuming something was massively wrong with her since she could do much better than me.
Intentional or not, DA’s comments are seriously the funniest thing about this blog.
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“…she could do much better than me.”
This is even a classic douchebag breakup line. It’s right up there with “It’s not you, it’s me.”
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I’m sorry if I seem overly harsh today. I just saw that I got four calls in a row in the middle of the night from some asshole who didn’t think I was good enough, who wants to cry on my shoulder about his stupid whore ex girlfriend.
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DA:
“Refrain from making assumptions” my ass.
God, you are a massive, massive passive-aggressive douchebag.
Okay, you’re now in my book right above Agnostic’s name as “People whose personality makes me vomit a little bit in my mouth.”
Jesus H. Christ, what is it about “nice guys” and former “nice guys” that make them such ugly creatures once you scratch the surface?
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Do you tell them from the beginning that you think they’re ugly and they have absolutely no chance to be anything but *your* emotional tampons?
Well, that’s the thing. They’re not ugly, but they’re not sexually attractive to me. Even if they had nails, it’s unlikely that I’d ever consider having sex with them. Mind you, aren’t platonic friends the females that we enjoy their time and company, but are not interested in having sex with?
BTW, my female friends are aware that they are not potential sex partners.
Nothing is ever as good for them as masturbation to porn.
Aww, I’m a douchebag. 🙂
damn polo shirt
I must admit, that’s slightly ironic since I tend to wear polo shirts (without popped collar) in the summer either with jeans or cargo pants. Other times, I’ll sport t-shirts…
get your ass to a giant club
Non-date wants me to go clubbing with her to meet women, but I’ve told her no. Clubs are for “normal” people, not for freaks like me.
become a DJ
Oh dear. The dance music on mu iPod must be noticable in Israel. 🙂
This is even a classic douchebag breakup line. It’s right up there with “It’s not you, it’s me.”
Ma chere, if a girl can do better than me, it’s only basic common sense that one should ask what does she see in me. Any girl interested in me either has a drug problem, mental illness, wants to use me, or can’t do better than me.
“Refrain from making assumptions” my ass.
Fair enough. I think you banged ugly girls because you couldn’t get the type of girl that you wanted. Happy now?
what is it about “nice guys” and former “nice guys” that make them such ugly creatures once you scratch the surface?
We’re pathetic spineless tools with no redeeming qualities?
We’re only interested in currying favour so people can like us?
We’re lazy third rate humans?
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David, this is why you could benefit from learning some game.
Your non sexual girlfriends know you’ll never want to have sex with them the same way players’ non commitment girlfriends know they’ll never commit.
I think now we’re clear that you are indeed an asshole and a douchebag, and you even dress like one. All you need is to budget for cover charge and keep a couple of bottles of cheap vodka in the back seat.
Look sufficiently bored or hostile, and you don’t need to speak at all except one syllable every 10 minutes or so. Travel in a pack of douchebags, and the acrylic high heel hoes will come to you.
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Hmm.
Interesting comments. I’ll quickly respond, I hope.;)
Chic, there’s *nothing* wrong with you. You’re very young, and the sad truth is, guys who actually know what they’re doing w/Women are in short supply. Finding a good guy is admittedly tough but not impossible.
Dave Alex, again, I respect completely you’re right to do whatever you want w/you alotted time/lifespan, and for what it’s worth, wish you all the best. All I’m saying is be brutally honest with yourself, because you’re not fooling anyone else-not you’re parents, not your “non-dates”, no one here. The *only* person you’re fooling is yourself.
I have an uncle who went from a highly productive member of society to a stompdown Crackhead…and what made things even more interesting was the fact that he had absolutely no intentions of stopping, and said as much.
He refused any attempts at rehab, lived on the streets, you name it. The last time I saw him was back in 2002. He didn’t even attend my mother’s funeral. His only sibling.
Yet I respect his decision, even while I think its selfish in extremis-because, having worked in drug treatment related occupations, I can tell you that most of the folks there are only going through the motions, man. They aint got the heart to admit that they really don’t wanna stop.
So at least my uncle went deep into his Crack addiction with his eyes wide open; he didn’t blame anything or anyone else for it, and took full responsibility for his life. I have no idea if he’s alive or dead. I do know that either way, he’s doing things his way.
I don’t see you going out like my uncle, Dave. Because if you were, you wouldn’t be here. You would simply go about your business. And do your thing. W/o any rationales, apologies, or tilts towards a faux nobility, or even this new righteously indignation in the tone of your posts.
Spike, glad to see you back. You know, one thing about Style that I really liked, was that he never had a “type” and held out some ridiculous notion for bagging her. From his memoir, he enjoyed Women as they came along, and I think that’s the right attitude to have.
In the Black community, it is well known and documented that Black Women are kinda up against it when it comes to finding suitable mates. Most adult, marriageable aged Sistas are quite well educated and the like, and for whatever reason, most Brothas, are not.
Spike, if you want a real window onto the sheer frustration and out and out anger that is extant among Women in our time, spend a bit of time in Black America. There are LOTS of Sistas who are all but hopping mad. And while the obstensible rationale is the lamentable lack of “eligible Black Men”, the real deal is the completely fucked up attitudes of too many Black Women. Attitudes that prevent them from getting with a good guy who give them something two Master’s degrees and a home in the boonies can’t, and that’s a good, stiff dick, for starters.
If you think I’m being harsh, you should have heard Brown Sugah’s thoughts on this, she’s a lot harder on her Sistas than I am.
They in the same boat as Dave Alex, and neither have NOTHING to show for it. And both need to be straight up about what they’re doing. Along w/admitting that what they’re trying to do is un-natural.
Jerr Dogg, cosign. Sad state of affairs it is, indeed.
Oh, and one other thing. Age is a friend to a Man, potentially. Women like Men who have experience. And trust me when I tell ya, I’m having infinitely more fun now at 40, than I ever did at 20 or even 30. Taking care of myself, no drinking or smoking or drugging, helps. So looking like a 30 year old, being told that you fuck like a 20 year old, and routinely being carded at clubs and lounges again, is nice.
I’m sorry people, I just do not see things as bad as some here make it seem.
O
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Fuck off, David Alexander. I have no more desire to watch your public self-flagellation act any more than Aggie’s chest-thumping antics.
For all your “I’m such a lowly worm” shtick, you’re an arrogant bastard who amuses himself with the idea that people who actually go out and live their lives are lowering themselves by accepting that reality ain’t up to their ideals.
When someone goes out of the way to bite your bait, you go all out on them, doing your best to make them look like fools deluding themselves chasing carrots forever out of their reach, or folks pretending that the slop they’re eating is fine cuisine. It’s all to inflate your ego and sense of self-abnegating pride.
You’re like one of those eremitical monastics, who in cutting themselves off from life and wearing hair shirts you say you’re getting closer to God, but in reality you’re getting off on the fact that everyone else ain’t as holy as you are.
If you want an audience you can feel morally and aesthetically superior to by ritualistically scourging yourself, have at it. I’m fucking done with your shit.
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I had to Google self-abnegating and eremitical monastics.
I had a general idea on the definitions but Googled anyway.
David might be some kind of character roissy and one of his friends created to add something to this site.
Something very, very weird.
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Props to Obsidian for his reply to DA. You brought up a bunch of stuff I insinctively knew at 19 but somehow forgot. There was a reason I was successful with women back when I had no money and few prospects and now I remember why!
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Like Obsidian said, changing is hard, and I think he plays it down as a bit too easy.
Learning game is hard. After often having a string of beginners luck, you will start running into sticking points and dry spells. Obsidian may have avoided this through having a lot of the “natural” traits that black men tend to have.
My biggest romantic problem (black dog days of depression) hasn’t gone away, despite years of battling it.
Ah yes, the manic-depressive cycle, enemy of relationships, and even hook ups, for those who want them. You attract her while on the high, and lose her on the downward crash. Brutal.
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In response to David Alexander’s comments:
For some reason I’ve never viewed his comments as much of a nuisance as others here have. Until other commenters note that he’s being such a douchebag, I usually think he’s just acting out some pitiful persona that he’s created solely for use on this board. For the most part his comments are humorous or else Roissy would probably not reference him. I see him as taking it upon himself to be the token beta for all other commenters to contrast against. My other opinion of him is that he is perhaps exposing all of the collective self-doubts and beta-like delusions that may pass through each of our heads from time to time. Whether he does this intentionally or not is another question.
I was watching “Annie Hall” by Woody Allen last night. A couple of times during the beginning of the movie he mentions a famous line about not being able to join a certain organization that would have him as a member. Allen also mentions this as a reason a relationship of his, pre-Annie Hall, didn’t work out. He couldn’t date a woman that would have him as her significant other. I have a strong feeling, and forgive me if this has already been touched on, that David Alexander may be our black Woody Allen.
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Travel in a pack of douchebags, and the acrylic high heel hoes will come to you.
Like I said, those women can easily do better than me. You know, the more attractive, handsome douchebags.
I think now we’re clear that you are indeed an asshole and a douchebag, and you even dress like one.
Per you, I’m a douchebag and an asshole. I have even less incentive to go learn game since I’d prefer to avoid amplifying said traits.
And what’s wrong with polo shirts?
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David Alexander:
“In exchange for being content with myself…”
ROFLMAO!!!! You? Content with yourself? You’re joking, right? 🙂
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Women should have kids between 23-28. There are sound biological reasons for this. First, it is easier for them to conceive, and deliver, with far fewer birth defects and also, critically, less chance of breast cancer. Caring for kids is also easier in your twenties, little ones demand much energy, attention, patience, and endurance.
Next, women should maximize their opportunities. CAREFULLY use their beauty and sexual power to choose the best man they can, knowing they will age and so will their beauty. Pick a man for comfort, not for speed (to paraphrase Big Joe Turner). Finally, careers should be restarted in the thirties, as mature woman who focus on career education not SWPL status power mongering which far too much professional education including Law, Medicine, etc. becomes. The presence of lots of married women with children profoundly uninterested in status-laden hookups or competitions to be the most PC would have a greatly improving impact on graduate schools.
Children are expensive, but affordable when young. Real expenses don’t kick in until later, have kids early, get higher incomes later when needed. This means two affordable, real kids with younger parents, instead of one designer yuppie baby, and grandparents young enough to help out with childcare (see Sarah Palin) instead of needing care themselves.
ASDF — the bar scene is pretty hairy. I don’t recommend it in most cities. Art museums are a good alternative, if you know/like certain types of art and can reasonably talk about it. You don’t have to be Robert Hughes, just know what you like and why you like it. Fun, open enthusiasm is the key.
PA — good point re: women, men, lack of same. Though to me the shocking thing is Virginia Tech. Not a young man there thought his female classmates were not worth dying for. [Ed Driscoll makes the same point in his site re: Montreal Massacre.]
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David, handsome and attractive are the last words I’d use to describe any douchebag. In fact, I think they make a point of being as hideous as they possibly can. I’m sure some of them could be handsome if they didn’t choose the absolute worst styles known to human imagination, and lived on more than protein shakes, kebab, and pizza, so really if you eat a vegetable occasionally, you’re already ahead of the game in douchebag looks.
Have a look at this.
How much more evidence do you need?
Look, like O says, you’re a grown man and make your own choices. Just stop trying to yank people’s chain that you don’t have what it takes to score with semihoes. You were practically built by the heavens to be the Termator “the Black dude” in a cluster of douchebags.
My only word of caution is that you might have to jump the grenade a few times to win the pack trust. When you find yourself in that situation, splash yourself with beer and pretend you’re too drunk for sex. Act like you’re trying to, and then “pass out”. Hugs all night and no performance pressure.
…and she’ll think you’re sweet for a douchebag.
I know all this because I have a platonic friend who’s a douchebag. No, we never slept together.
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Heheheh…that’s Terminator. I was laughing too hard, and my spelling suffered.
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the idea that people who actually go out and live their lives are lowering themselves by accepting that reality ain’t up to their ideals
Every year, I go to the auto show, and I see thousands of couples together, and there’s a part of me that wonders why these couples are together, and why they appear to be so happy with each other. They’re average looking people, yet they’re happy with each other despite the fact that better looking partners exist. It’s almost as if the presence of these better looking people doesn’t bother them in any way.
you go all out on them, doing your best to make them look like fools deluding themselves chasing carrots forever out of their reach
You’re right. I don’t understand why they’re with their respective partners instead of holding out for somebody better. One would suspect that the average person would want to hold out for the best in terms of a partner, and that aiming for something below that would reflect poorly upon them leaving them to open to criticism from others. Who wants friends or family members saying that your significant other is beneath you, and that you can do better? It almost seems as if the only reasonable answer is that people are deluded…
On the other hand, we compromise on a daily basis when we can’t get what we want when there are reasonable alternatives available. Hell, I would like a Nissan GT-R, but I drive a Saturn since it’s much better than having nothing at all.
I usually think he’s just acting out some pitiful persona that he’s created solely for use on this board
As always, one must state that David Alexander is the amplified online persona of a person in the real world. David’s real world persona can sometimes oscillate between contentment to depression with small bouts of anger at certain commenters as evidenced by the “fuck you Whiskey” sequence.
For all intents and purposes, if one takes an external and realistic view, it’s rather possible that David could attract an average girl, he’d probably be happy with just the nails. You should see him when he’s looking at non-date at work like a goofy beta or when he holds her hands. David is just lazy, and rather comfortable with his porn, and when combined with his social phobia (which probably amplifies his fear of the “race realists”), David just isn’t willing to go out and do stuff and be “normal”. Unless you drop a girl in his lap, it’s unlikely that he’ll really do anything since doing anything requires him to get out of his shell, expose himself and do something. So if it’s the cost of him being alone, somehow, he’s willing to accept it to get some degree of peace and stability in his life.
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“David just isn’t willing to go out and do stuff and be “normal”. Unless you drop a girl in his lap, it’s unlikely that he’ll really do anything since doing anything requires him to get out of his shell, expose himself and do something.”
Have you read this article by Naomi Wolf from some time back:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/
I feel that being a child of the Pr0n Age has it’s drawbacks such as the ones Wolf points to. I’m just curious as to how much pr0n you look at on a daily basis? I also have the feeling that you actually look forward to your nightly jerkoff sessions a great deal. I also have the feeling that you’re probably surfing this board as we speak while lining up your jerk-off material for the evening.
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Women should have kids between 23-28
If those women are locked up in marriage, who do I befriend? Who will eat dinner with me at the chain restaurant? 🙂
Finally, careers should be restarted in the thirties
The problem is that this requires men to be the sole bread-winners which places a lot of stress on men, and unless you’re aiming for women to marry significantly older men, I fail to see how couples can afford to raise children without cutting their standards of living? Hell, who’s going to buy a home for $400K with only one income and with a small down payment…
Besides, starting a career in one’s thirties defeats the purpose of having a career because it’s too late to do anything useful, especially when you’re laden with the task of raising children. It’s far more prudent to rise the career ladder first, then bail to raise children if you can afford it.
grandparents young enough to help out with childcare
The grandparents finished raising their children. Why should they sacrifice even further when they should be enjoying their lives?
status
Status is everything. It’s a critical factor in determining how people treat you.
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“Well, that’s the thing. They’re not ugly, but they’re not sexually attractive to me. ”
Just FYI, you posted “non-date girlfriend”‘s picture. You’re wrong.
She’s ugly.
Way way ugly.
I was thinking about your situation. You should probably try heroin. It’s even better than porn and it’s not like you’ve got any long term prospects to damage.
Give it a shot (so to speak).
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I said it before.
David Alazander is a waste of resources, a consumer and not a producer. His genetic legacy is writ large.
Not in (A), (G), (C), (T), but in 1s and 0s of binary code forming .jpgs of fake women in fake sexual frenzy, on his LCD screen coupled with a willful disregard for his genetic duty, and a serious inferiority complex.
Resulting in extinction of his genes, and any legacy which would have played a part in the future.
I sometimes chuckle at his antics, I have long since stoped feeling pity for him.
His choice to be a beta-fail-fag, should be respected. However, His verbal defense of that posistion should not be respected.
Frankly I would expect to see him at some cosplay event talking klingon to some other geek. His weakness is very human.
The fact that, actually becoming a real man is well within his grasp. It is his imaturity, and arrested development has been systematically programed into him that is keeping him from this goal. He has no will to excel, and win.
I strongly suspect group dynamic beta prgramining, rather then genetic insuffiency.
While he isn’t an element of the causitive force for whats wrong with the US, he is an manifest example of its social Illness.
Somehow the american system is failing to render lumps of flesh, blood and bone into real men anymore.
Even the betas of the 50s were > than the failures of unmanity like him.
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Nice choice. The cinematography in Hud was gorgeous.
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so really if you eat a vegetable occasionally, you’re already ahead of the game in douchebag looks
I assure you, despite nearly daily consumption of fruits and vegetables, the real douchebags are better looking.
Have a look at this.
Yeah, by douchebag standards, he’s handsome, but I can’t compete.
Of course, nobody will be shocked by the fact that I think the women of the site are “hot” or “beautiful”. I shouldn’t be surprised if people will disagree.
I’m just curious as to how much pr0n you look at on a daily basis?
Other than when I jerk off, I really don’t view porn. And, yes, I sometimes do look forward to jerking off.
I must admit, imagining women naked is hard once you’ve gone to porn. While porn stars are average looking women with lots of professionally applied make up, they somehow pull off being naked better than the average female.
She’s ugly.
She’s not ugly. She’s pretty to me.:-)
Resulting in extinction of his genes, and any legacy which would have played a part in the future.
I’m black. My genetic legacy has positive rule in the future.
Frankly I would expect to see him at some cosplay event talking klingon to some other geek
Oddly, those geeks freak me out. Hell, I railfan alone primarily because most railfans scare me…
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David, getting laid by real women feels better then your palm. Its a Fact.
Getting pussy in today’s climate has never been easier. Its a Fact.
If you can’t handle the way real women look, wear a blindfold, and say your kinky. Your brain will supply the images for the textures of skin, that your body is feeling. Its a Fact.
Even losers get trim. Its a fact. And a sad one at that. (Sara’s kid is proof) J/k
Your “Black” legacy, got outsourced to India, Mexico and china.
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Hey David Alexander. I actually agree with a lot of what you say. MANY men are more sexually responsive to the porn star “look” (that’s why it exists). Many men ARE beta providers for women who are not attracted to them. And there are lot of plain women out there, who while not “ugly”, aren’t particularly sexually attractive people either. I agree with all that.
However, you (along with roissy) have created an almost mythical vision of an “alpha”. Nobody has actually *seen* one of these alphas, but you positively know they exist and women love them. The difference between you and roissy is that roissy wants to become the mythical vision whereas you use it as an excuse to wallow in mediocrity.
THAT said, there are certain masculine qualities that we can all agree women are attracted to (decent looking, confident, etc), many of which you don’t possess. I’m actually on board with the pity party here. BUT why not make yourself better (without becoming a bigger asshole/douchebag)? Go educate yourself,get a better job, workout, whatever. Always be getting better. “Better” women will just magically come to you…
The fact that you just sit around and do nothing (except troll for people looking to feed into your pity) is the only part of your world view that I disagree with.
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Chuck:
Great article by Naomi Wolf. David Alexander, checkout this quote:
Sound familiar? 🙂
Anyway, Naomi Wolf is kind of right. And kind of wrong. Porn provides a sexual outlet without the headache that often comes with “real” women. Men would still prefer sex with real women – but if it means putting up with all the other bullshit, give us the porn.
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Go educate yourself,get a better job, workout, whatever.
Somehow, I feel that at the current age of 25, by the time I finish with school and get a good job, it will be much too late to date anybody from my age cohort, as one could reasonable expect women not to date men with obvious signs of inexperience at that point. I’ll still go back to school next semester since I need to finish to get a better job that can pay for my hobbies, and so I can finally bring some solace to my parents.
For all intents and purposes, I have nobody but myself to blame for my inability to finish college. Admittedly, one could argue that much of my complaining really stems from the fact that I feel isolated from the rest of the world for not having the college degree and the career along with the friends and social life that comes from it…
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DA says:
“Admittedly, one could argue that much of my complaining really stems from the fact that I feel isolated from the rest of the world for not having the college degree and the career along with the friends and social life that comes from it…”
No. That’s an excuse. If you can’t make something of yourself in your current environment, chances are you would fail in another one, too.
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Another thread devolves into a DA/Kthulah pity-wallow-fuckfest
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Welmer
So I guess you do have a similar outlook on the situation, but you blame players for feminism.
I take it all back. Here’s the real culprit:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/290107rockefellergoal.htm
See, I’m just as full of it as anyone here. Fickle, self-absorbed, self-serving, and confused. Still there is something to the player/feminism link, else they wouldn’t hate each other so much.
I do believe beyond any rational explanation or so-called proof to the contrary through the use of a higher intuitive intelligence that Playboy and porn; and sexual repression by organized religion definitely could not exist without the other. David Alexander disagrees btw, though he was RAISED Catholic.
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An excerpt from the above link:
Rockefeller told Russo of two primary reasons why the elite bankrolled women’s lib, one because before women’s lib the bankers couldn’t tax half the population and two because it allowed them to get children in school at an earlier age, enabling them to be indoctrinated into accepting the state as the primary family, breaking up the traditional family model.
So stop blaming the feminists for feminism, losers. LOL
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” The onslaught of porn is responsible for deadening male libido in relation to real women, and leading men to see fewer and fewer women as “porn-worthy.” Far from having to fend off porn-crazed young men, young women are worrying that as mere flesh and blood, they can scarcely get, let alone hold, their attention.”
And it is only going to get more severe when, within a decade, we have :
1) More Internet access in developing countries
2) 3-D holographic porn video games with interactive AI
3) Crude, but still useful, sexbots
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A few thoughts.
I think what’s left out of the debate surrounding Game is seduction, which is a sizable part of it. And simply put, Women want to be seduced. If that wasn’t so, the romance novel industry, which dwarfs the porn business insofar as profits/revenues go as I understand it, wouldn’t exist. And here of course I include its spinoffs-erotica, Lifetime channel, soap operas, etc.
So, if we’re going to debate the nature of Game, a key question in all of that to my mind should be, is Seduction inherently bad? And I’d like to aim that question specifically toward the Ladies in this venue, people like Sara. If Seduction *is* inherently bad, what does she and the other Ladies suggest? That actually works?
Wrt Porn, its been around in one form or another as long as there have been human beings. I don’t see it going anywhere anytime soon, and as others have noted, if anything its proliferation will only continue to spread unabted thanks to increasingly cheap access to the internet. Having said that though, I have a differing take on Porn than some here do.
You see, I don’t think Porn in and of itself can “influence” a Man to do or think one way or another. I think a Man has to already have a predisposition towards Women in a certain way, and the Porn just gives a legit “out” for it.
So, for Dave, for example, if Porn weren’t so radily available it wouldn’t change his thing for heavily madeup Women, he would just get his fix in other ways. Porn makes it easier for him to do this.
Here I have to note an incredible irony on his part: he almost vehemently resists any notions of improving himself wrt Game on the grouns that he would be in essence misrepresenting himself, yet he has absolutely no problem at all being aroused by Women who’s stock and trade is to present an image completely different from the real people that they are. The nails that they wear aren’t their own, etc. Yet not only doesn’t Dave have a problem with this, he revels in it.
Again, hardly a reasoned or logical position to take or advance; indeed, logical fallacies abound in Dave Alex’s arguments, as Jackson, among many, have yet again recently showed. Having college degrees, attending one of the best private primary schools in the country, writing several bestselling books and working as a lead writer for the New York Times and major trades like Rolling Stone didn’t get Style jack in terms of Women. Learning Game however, did.
But of course, if Dave had actually read the book, he’d know that.
There’s something else about the Porn debate that is worth saying. If I may.
Although studies clearly show that countries with ready and easy access to Porn are countries where Women are safer and freer overall, and that Women are becoming a more important part of the Porn consumer market, there is still a sizable portion of the Female population who take issue with their Men wanting to view it. The problem is simple. Take a look, honestly, at the Women who complain the most. Five will get you ten they look a lot closer to Andrea Dworkin than Sarah Palin.
These are Women who are, w/all due respect, delusional, and who suffer from the same malaise that Dave Alex is afflicted with. The notion that Love, and by extension sex, is supposed to exist and be extended, regardless of circumstances. The harsh truth is, and this has been noted numerous times here and elsewhere, is that there are far too many Women who let themselves go after getting married or in a LTR, and expect a Man to still desire them regardless. It is not only childish to take such a view, it is also meanspirited, because it denies a Man one of the most important pleasures he can have in this world, and that is gazing on a beautiful female form.
In closing, to some, Porn joins the ranks of “ills” on a society, like Rap and Rock music and Slasher movies, but in truth, as is always, the real causes lay elsewhere. If the Women who complain the most about Porn actually spent the same amount of time and energy doing something about themselves, they just might get a different result.
Hey, doesn’t that sound familiar to the idea of Men learning Game?
O
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@DA
> Somehow, I feel that at the current age of 25,
> by the time I finish with school and get a good
> job, it will be much too late to date anybody
> from my age cohort, as one could reasonable
When you are older you can still get very attractive 25 year old women to date you without much problem. In fact it is easier for me now that it was before. Almost too easy. You wouldn’t believe how many women that age are in a dead-end ltr and would rather cheat with you than someone else their age.
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Thursday, Spike,
I just wanted to comment a bit on Brothas & Game.
Its been said that Black Men have more “natural game” than do White Men, and I think we’d all agree w/that general proposition. However, there is a serious downside.
I happen to know quite a few naturals, as they’re referred to in the community, and while they can pickup gals at will, they cannot isolate how and why, nor can they actually teach anyone else to do it. In fact, its gotten to the point that a few of them step to me on the quiet to ask ME questions about this or that.
Now to be sure, like most Brothas, I was blessed w/a degree of “natural game”, and have even written about my “pre Game” days and posted some of that in this venue; having said that though, I saw a critical flaw amongst my Brothas that I did not want happening to me…
Chief among them being laziness, and tends to go hand in hand w/pride and arrogance. Far too many Black Men have the attitude that you can’t tell them nothing, that they don’t need anything in order to improve. This explains why so few are informed about the world around them and so on.
I didn’t want that for myself. I wanted to take what God had given me and make the most use of it. I figured, if I could take state of the art technology, and wed it with natural ability, the end result would be quite a powerful combination.
So, while my natural born Brothas can pickup gals, I can break down, in intimate detail, every phase of said pickup, when he had the hook point, and what her reaction was gonna be. Some of them rely on flash and pomp style, but I can explain, in evolutionary terms, why that’s so important. And, while they may be completely oblivious to the subtle signals Women send out into the environment around him, I can tell him when they’re happening and why.
A whole lotta Naturals, I’ve found, don’t know that. I mean, in a consciouse, deliberate sense.
More than learning canned lines or routines, I wanted to really understand why we think and act as we do. Most Brothas don’t know or care to, which explains, for example, why my buddy Zam, the Booty Magnet?-has NEVER had a LTR that exceeded a year, and he’s my age. And let’s be clear here-he wants one. Or why Dave P can’t really explain why he attracts girlies while waiting in line at the supermarket. Or why my buddy Ricky couldn’t really explain all the steps of attraction, or for real, its first law. They’re all Naturals. But they don’t understand exactly what they’re doing, or why.
So, why is Obsidian in the Game? I’m in it for the Technology, the nuts and bolts how to’s, the why’s and wherefores of how Men and Women interact, how and why Women act as they do.
The NBA is chockfull of naturals who can jump outta the gym. There’s a reason why Jordan is revered, still.
The Obsidian
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DA said:
> I must admit, that’s slightly ironic since
> I tend to wear polo shirts (without popped
Uh ohh… I’m dressing like DA. I’m starting to question my fashion sense now. I’m going to need to start reading GQ or something…
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Gotta cosign what JD said to Dave Alex; when I read that quote I burst out laughing. Picking gals that age is a snap if you’re my age and have any sembalance of something going for you. Like JD says, it happens all the time.
I just hope Dave learns this stuff before its a bit too late.
O
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All this advice that David gets here is great, but I there comes a time to realize you’ve led the horse to water, but he’ll drink it only when he’s good and ready. It’s not like he hasn’t been shown the light.
Not that I always follow my own advice here with regards to leaving him alone. It’s a lot of fun to play coach.
PS: Spike, great no-bullshit slapdown of David. Good to see you back here. But I wouldn’t rank David anywhere as low as Aggie. As far as their online personae go, neither of the two is anything we’d call a man, but at least — again, I’m talking about their online personae — David is human.
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PS: Chick’s imaginary scene of David with a 10 was hillarious. I didn’t know she was such a comedian 🙂
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They’re average looking people, yet they’re happy with each other despite the fact that better looking partners exist. It’s almost as if the presence of these better looking people doesn’t bother them in any way.
Maybe because it DOESN’T bother them? Maybe they actually are happy. Why do you want to rain on their parade so badly?
I don’t understand why they’re with their respective partners instead of holding out for somebody better.
Because “better” is an imprecise term, and personal preference makes the world go ’round. Despite what the choir here espouses, “better” is not determined by any single personal quality.
One would suspect that the average person would want to hold out for the best in terms of a partner
But what that “best” consists of is not a constant, quantifiable thing!
Who wants friends or family members saying that your significant other is beneath you, and that you can do better?
Who CARES?! Why would you give a shit about what anyone else says or thinks, as long as you’re happy?
It almost seems as if the only reasonable answer is that people are deluded…
Or maybe they just know what they like.
Nobody has actually *seen* one of these alphas, but you positively know they exist and women love them.
And this is the weak point of DA’s entire philosophy, this assumption that all women, everywhere, only have eyes — or loins — for alphas. This despite the fact that there are plenty of happy, average couples on display all around you every time you leave your mother’s basement. That the majority of them are genuinely happy is significantly more plausible than positing that everyone in the world is living in quietly malcontented desperation.
You are hanging your entire worldview on a flawed premise. Which you do, apparently, because it absolves you from ever having to make even a modicum of effort.
In short, it’s a big, fat excuse. And not even a good one, at that.
I don’t quibble with the choice to be alone (if it actually is your choice,) but I do take issue with your defeatist attitude that it’s all predetermined and “oh, nothing I could ever do would be enough, so why even try?”
You’re trumping up the problem so you have a) something to complain about, and b) an excuse to do nothing to change it.
Good luck with that.
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Zdeno
Why would it be sarcasm? I’d rather not have my bathroom covered in piss.
Obsidian
I haven’t had any behavior problems resulting from celibacy. So much for that theory.
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celibacy itself is the problem. The same phrase, written by a woman, would be: “I haven’t had any behavior problems resulting from getting older”
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i haven’t read through all of the comments yet…it’s likely that newman was homosexual…
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1070443/was_paul_newman_gay_.html
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kc:
You should have read that tripe before putting it on the board…it’s horrible “reporting.”
So Paul Newman worked with homosexuals in Hollywood. It’s fucking Hollywood, of course he worked with homosexuals. The only evidence the article cites for his homosexuality is his close friendships and his beating up a wife b/c she challenged his masculinity. On top of that, the article goes into mundane detail about a bunch of other stars not named Paul Newman.
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OK, time to skewer some more of Dave Alex’s “logic”.
If he’s so concerned w/what his parents, peers and friends will think of his decisions, how does he get around the fact that, as time goes on, if they don’t know it already, his self-imposed celibacy won’t come off to them as, at the least weird? Will such a revelation raise, or lower, their esteem of him in their eyes?
Dave speaks a great deal about love. Alright then-how many Women have you been in love with, Dave? For how long? And how is it possible for someone to be such an ardent supporter of a concept they have little if any real experience of or with? Please explain?
And, exactly where did you get your ideas about love from in the first place? Again, please explain?
Earlier, Nicole asked dave flatout: has he ever told any of his non date Women that in no way he saw them as sexually acceptable from the outset? Dave sidestepped the question. Its a yes or no question Dave, and reminds me of the Three Card Monty deal you tried to pull w/me wrt that book The Game; you told me, here, that you *would* look into it; however, when pressed on the issue, you waffled and lied and went back on your word, making again, excuses: first you couldn’t afford it, but of course, I got hold of a used copy at Amazon.com for $10. Then you couldn’t be bother to hop on the train to go to a library to check it out, although we all know you go cuckoo for anything that moves along a track and have been known to travel many miles out of state to get your railfanning on. In short, yet another series of bullshit excuses.
So, let’s try this again, Dave.
Have you, Dave Alex, ever told any of your Non Date Ladies, before anything jumped off, that you found them utterly unacceptable sexually and was only willing to consider them for non sexual, platonic friendship only?
Yes, or no.
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gig
It hasn’t been a problem for me.
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PA,
While I certainly see your points in relation to DA, I must respectfully disagree.
As I noted in a previous post in this thread, and to which you gave me praise (thank you!), it is my view that Dave is crying out for help. His cognitive dissonance, his depression, and now, w/all of us as witness, his increasing displays of anger, are all “warning signs” that he is not doing what he was put here to do, and that the pain and discomfort drives him to a venue such as this to attempt to get help, even when his conscious self denies it. It explains why he remains here. It explains why, by his own admission, he cannot go a day or two without commenting. He’s here because his humanity is driving him to it, in a desperate bid to get help.
At this point, Dave is truly mentally unstable like Cho; nor is he of the same age as Atta. And in truth, by his own admission, he has already had more success, both socially and sexually, w/Women than both Men combined. So what I’m saying, is there’s still hope.
But time is important here. Dave will be 30 before he knows it, and if he thinks his social circle is giving him shit now, he ain’t seen nothin’ yet if he ain’t go himself together. There is nothing mor pitiful than to watch a seriously grown assed Man floundering around like a college kid. When you’re 21, its cute and maybe even edgy. When you’re on the other side of 30 its nothing short of pathetic.
Going back to school and getting a degree w/the promise of a better job is great, but in the meantime-right now-Dave should be about the business of getting his life in order. The first thing he should be thinking about is getting his own place, even if its a Peter Parker style hole in the wall. It will be his. And Women vibe to that. As always, I speak not from theory but from experience.
When I was Dave’s age, early to mid 20s, I moved out on my own and get me a hole in the wall studio apartment, and lemme tell ya, I had a ball. If I wanted to, it could have been a revolving door hub of ass every day and night. It was if, as soon as it was known I had my own spot Women magically appeared.
The next thing Dave needs to do is make more money. If he can’t do that where he’s currently working then he needs to get a second job. Millions of Men have done it, present company included. And lemme tell ya, Women are seriously turned on by a Man w/ambition. In fact, I would go so far as to say, that raw ambition beats raw brainpower in the Ladies dept any day of the week. Besides, working a lot will make him more money to enjoy the things he claims to love so much, while at the same time occupying his mind so he won’t have as much time to think bullshit thoughts.
Having some real responsibilities in this world will do wonders to get Dave some real perspective on the world. And of course, it’ll make it world’s easier to meet and yup, bed, real Women too.
Now let’s watch as Dave concocts yet another series of bullshit excuses…
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jerrdog – to answer your question, it can be common for guys to approach sex in a formulaic way. for these guys, they’ll go through the motions and feel like they’ve totally pleasured their partner even if she never actually achieves an orgasm. it’s hard to fault them because they genuinely try, but it can result in a very frustrating/unfulfilling experience for the woman.
in my experience, these types of guys can easily be weeded out after the first kiss. bad kissers = terrible in bed.
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chic – just curious, why did you die upon seeing racerx’s site? i found it pretty amusing (and kind of hot) and have to give the guy props for being true to himself.
racerx – thanks for the compliment. you should be the sex-tip version of roissy and give guys instruction on “bedroom game”
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Annnnnd even more skewering of Dave Alex’s famed logic.
A little while back, I asked Dave if he possessed one or more of the following traits that, according to Mystery, make up the Alpha Male:
1. Smile
2. Confidence
3. Well groomed
4. Sense of humor
5. Connects with people
6. Is the social center of the room
Dave’s reply was that the only trait he had was that he smiled a lot. Well, guess what…
MOST MEN DO NOT SMILE.
Don’t believe me? Go to *any* nite club, bar or lounge. There, you will be surrounded by guys trying to look serious, tough, “deep”, etc. Anything BUT SMILING.
And do you know what that says to Women, on the subconscious level?
He’s too much of a hassle to deal with.
It goes right back to what Chic recently told Whiskey. Think about it.
So, as it turns out, by his own admission, Dave’s already on the right foot. He’s doing something the vast majority of guys out there, DON’T do.
Which is, smile.
OK…
So, what about the rest of the list? Well, when you think about it, that’s easy.
Luckily for us guys, being well groomed aint that hard-haircuts and shaves, proper fitting clothes and decent looking shoes, that sort of thing, and you’re good to go. Please note that neither Mystery nor I said anything about breaking the bank on a wardrobe. Just getting the basics right.
Do you realize how so few guys even wear cologne? Did you know you can damn near seduce a Woman on this basis alone, if you do it right?
So, I consider being “well groomed” to include some good cologne, and again you don’t have to break the bank to do it. Read The Game, Style discusses it.
What about confidence? While he swears up and down that he has none, I would argue that Dave Alex has more of it than the vast majority of dudes in that bar I mentioned earlier. Why? Because it takes some serious confidence, as a guy, to smile. That’s why. And when you look good and smell good, you get more confidence to smile. That’s why.
You don’t have to do the Koolaid style thing, now…personally, I grin a lot. In fact, I’ll walk right up to a group of hot chicks, w/a slight grin, and pan them slowly, left to right and back…then, nod approvingly, saying “carry on”, and keep it moving.
Fellas, try it out and report back the results.
OK, so, connecting with people. Admittedly, for a guy like Dave, which is a lot more common than he would like to think, this is a bit tough. But doable. The trick here, is to keep things light and brief. Master the art of knowing when to eject. Walk up to some people, Men and Women, ask them how they’re doing? Are they having a good time? Make sure you let them know that you’re having a great time, and that later on you gotta introduce them to some of your friends…and keep it moving. Most people in clubs are NOT used to someone doing that. Players do what other guys don’t do.
Having a sense of humor…again for Dave, a challenge. Let’s save this one for a future post.
And finally, being the social center of the room…not as hard as one might think. As I said, most guys when going to a club or bar, do everything they can not to standout. They all look the same, act the same. Why should any Woman there be compelled to step to them, or, if approached by any one of these dudes, what’s so special about them that she couldn’t get from the rest of the guys at the bar?
In my view, being the social center of the room involves a number of things: position, energy, and all the other things previously mentioned in this list of traits. Think about it, you’ll attract more attention if you’re at the bar than if you’re in a dark corner of the club. You’ll attract more attention of you and your crew’s energy output is higher than everyone else’s. And all those other traits can only make your job loads easier than not having them.
Give you an example of what I mean: to weeks ago, I was hanging with some friends down on Rittenhouse Square at a popular lounge spot. We’re standing near the bar, and I’m leading the conversation on what else, Game, asking the Ladies among us what they think about various aspects of it.
Now, did you know that because of my energy level and way I was leading the conversation, *other Women started drifting over to where we were at*? In fact, one Sista literally “pecked” her way into the convo; I saw her out of the corner of my eye, grabbed her hand and drew her into our circle (NOTE: Women will rarely, if ever, make a bold move on their own. If you want to be successful with Women, YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO INITIATE ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT.). Now w/me, I’m constantly in social experimentation mode, always doing trial and “dry” runs for future ops. I had no intention of actually picking that gal up, as I’m not crazy of doing that in said environments; I just wanted to see if certain things I’d read about were indeed true. They were.
We did the same thing earlier at the Marathon Grille; we put two tables together, and again I led the convo. WE became the center of attraction in the place, or as we like to say in the hood, Party over here.
Now, please note that it don’t take a fancy college degree or thousands of dollars to do any of that. It just takes some introspection, patience, dilligence. That’s it.
Here then is the end of today’s lesson.
Are we learning yet, Dave?
The Obsidian
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DB,
If I may, its my view that most Men have no understanding of Female Anatomy whatsoever, let alone psychology. This, in my view, is why so many fail.
And I’ve just read Racer X’s blog. Good money.
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Why all the focus on David Alexander? The guy’s a weirdo, let it go.
Besides, the last thing this world needs is that guy reproducing.
He is doing the world’s gene pool a favor by limiting himself to porn and hugs.
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dougjnn
Sara you are such an idiot
Yes, but even idiots are occasionally brilliant and entertaining; hence the attraction. And then there’s the female part. I am what I am and at least I”m not a poser like roissy.
My point regarding tHud is that he really meant Alma no good and if he did, he surely blew it by being acting like an insecure asshole. (My new favorite insult….I was called that once myself BY an insecure asshole and it’s a fond memory.)
You say Alma “deeply wanted him”. Yes, the animal part of her wanted him, but the human part wanted nothing to do with him, just like real life!!! I would imagine you’ve experienced the same dilemma with 9+ rated bitches.
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Anonymous 3:18 is obviously me.
Regarding all the focus on David Alexander. He brings out all kinds of nasty aggression in many of the posters here and he seems to thrive on the drama and attention.
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@Whiskey
Thanks for the tip re: art galleries. I imagine that it would work best in somewhere like New York or anywhere in Europe, where they actually have more than one art gallery. Whatever high culture my city ever had has been replaced by SWPL “culture”, ie experimental, deconstructive, post-modern etc art and music. Basically, it’s only considered good by them if it is obscure and is the opposite of traditional Western notions of beauty.
But I guess I can DHV by ragging on it, so there’s a plus.
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For David Alexander:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder
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For David Alexander:
http://tinyurl.com/btavf
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Obsidian:
Spike, glad to see you back. You know, one thing about Style that I really liked, was that he never had a “type” and held out some ridiculous notion for bagging her. From his memoir, he enjoyed Women as they came along, and I think that’s the right attitude to have.
Not really.
Knowing exactly what you want helps you to know exactly what to look for which helps you to know exactly what to do.
Otherwise, you look like an directionless, careening horndog with no standards.
My game jumped a few levels when my motivation while sarging changed from a vague”getting good with women”, to a crisp “wanting a fuck-buddy who is petite, dark haired, somewhat wild, and not too demanding.”
If you don’t know exactly what it is you are shooting for, you will find yourself in messy situations that you can’t cleanly back out of.
Know Thyself.
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Good points, ‘Pac. Well put.
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Yes, some of us are the losers. But taking a beating isn’t the end of the world:
“You have also forgotten the exhortation addressed to you as sons: “My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord or lose heart when reproved by him; for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines; he scourges every son he acknowledges.”
Endure your trials as “discipline”; God treats you as sons. For what “son” is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are without discipline, in which all have shared, you are not sons but bastards.
(Hebrews 12:6-8).”
Better a “loser” than a bastard.
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TJF says, “I haven’t had any behavior problems resulting from celibacy. So much for that theory.”
I’d like to cite that some evidence of behavioral issues directly related to celibacy is found in your determining that a martial artist who, for a time, made part of her living in security, is “living in a feminist fantasy world”.
This comes from not having much actual physical interaction with females. Even Lurker and Roissy’s insults indicated that they are capable of sizing up a female opponent, even when she’s relatively fat. They should see me now…heheheh…but still, a guy who spends a fair amount of time tussling with women has a better idea of what different body types are capable of. It’s the same as when someone with combat experience with males looks at men. It shapes your worldview when you interact with enough people physically.
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db….once again thanx. What is hot is that a girl as hot as your yourself enjoys looking at a blog as wanton and degenerate as mine. You look quite delicious in that photo…
As far as sex tips…well I could give few. My advice on oral delights is this, or this is at least how I approach going down on a woman and the whole mystery of female orgasm. First, you must naturally love and be enthralled with the female body. I love a girl’s pussy and I love spending as much time down there as I can. Perhaps I will say more on all that on my blog but the second thing for me is that I do not make orgasm the goal. I just enjoy doing it, usually have some sort of connection with a girl beyond just the physical, however tenuous, and usually, more often than not, orgasms will follow. Once you get to know a girl and she becomes totally comfortable with you the orgasm tends to be a steady thing. But if you always make orgasm the ultimate goal, and not sexual pleasure itself, it puts pressure on the situation which tends to short circuit the whole process. Many women have told me this. But for the casual sexual encounters pleasuring a girl orally is usually good enough for them, with or without orgasm. It makes them nice and ready for the hours and hours of fucking that is to follow. Sort of like what I would like to do with you DB…
and you too, Chic Noir.
Threesome anyone?
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The onslaught of porn is responsible for deadening male libido in relation to real women, and leading men to see fewer and fewer women as “porn-worthy.” Far from having to fend off porn-crazed young men, young women are worrying that as mere flesh and blood, they can scarcely get, let alone hold, their attention.
Well, what does a fucked-out 32 year old whore do, when her wild claims of ‘not being sure she can love again’ are greeted with ‘ok’ by men?
She can’t claim they ‘are afraid of commitment’ because they are clearly not even interested.
At that point, she can deploy:
“That worthless animal has his standards to high”
or
“Porn has ruined him for the love of an honest 32 year old used up whore with massive emotional baggage.”
Clearly, the woman is blameless.
All the ‘porn’ jabber is actually reassuring. It shows that most American women have rendered themselves so distastefull that even castrated American Men indoctrinated 24/7 with feminism are unwilling to even associate with them.
This has been your weekly dose of actual anti-feminism.
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No. That’s an excuse. If you can’t make something of yourself in your current environment, chances are you would fail in another one, too.
Somehow, I’ve always had this theory that if I graduated on time without any hickups, I’d have some degree of confidence, and that I’d have a good job, a nice car, a large nest egg, and the social buying power to have the “whiter people” friends, and have some degree of status. Instead, I ended up failing out, destroying whatever confidence I had left since I lost the only thing that was a positive trait, high grades in school. Once everybody from my high school graduated and became “somebodies” with nice jobs and other nice things, I sorta sunk deeper into isolation.
Of course, one could argue that there are plenty of other people that I could befriend, but “those” people don’t have anything in common with me, and they’d be bored with talk of trains, or highways, or claptrap interpretations of politics or current economic policy. So I’m stuck in being isolated from the smart & pretty people and the proles since I can’t fit into either group.
Yeah, she’s right, I’m a douchebag.
yet he has absolutely no problem at all being aroused by Women who’s stock and trade is to present an image completely different from the real people that they are
I don’t see what’s wrong with the stuff pornstars do to enhance their sex appeal. They’re simply acting and building a persona in order to make a decent porn film in exchange for some spending money.
Plus, there’s nothing wrong with fake nails or fake tits or fake hair as long as it’s well done and makes them look better. Mind you, I do not want to force women into doing that stuff to please me just as how I wouldn’t want them to force me to do something to please them.
When you are older you can still get very attractive 25 year old women to date you without much problem.
Somehow, I’ve always had an aversion to dating younger than me, and I’ve wanted girls at the same age as me. It just reeks of the “creepy loser” who can’t do better persona. Many female friends have said that there’s nothing wrong, and said friends have all dated older men, and these are women who openly admit to being feminists.
would rather cheat with you than someone else their age
I lost my virginity to a woman who was cheating on her boyfriend. I would prefer to avoid being in that position.
Who CARES?! Why would you give a shit about what anyone else says or thinks, as long as you’re happy?
Primarily because what other people say or think about me affects my happiness. The last thing that I want is family members nagging me about a girlfriend, or people thinking that I’m low class because I’m with some third rate girl.
And this is the weak point of DA’s entire philosophy, this assumption that all women, everywhere, only have eyes — or loins — for alphas.
After being a long-time reader of this site, this seems to be the only reasonable conclusion that one could develop. Look at the tales of married or engaged women cheating on their boyfriends/fiances/husbands with players and alpha males.
but I do take issue with your defeatist attitude that it’s all predetermined and “oh, nothing I could ever do would be enough, so why even try?”
I prefer to think that it’s simply being realistic. It just simply doesn’t make sense when there are better guys out there, and the women who are left are the ones who are publicly embarrassing to associate with.
how does he get around the fact that, as time goes on, if they don’t know it already, his self-imposed celibacy won’t come off to them as, at the least weird?
It already has become a bit of an issue in my family. My niece and nephew nag me about it, and they were disappointed when they discovered that non-date wasn’t a real girlfriend. My grandmother constant asks if I’ll ever have a girlfriend before she dies. Other friends and family members have speculated as to why I’m still single, and a few have presumed that I’m a closeted homosexual.
Alright then-how many Women have you been in love with, Dave?
None. Most of my concepts of love and romance have been shaped from seeing the relationships of friends and family and what I’ve read on blogs and other sites on the internet.
I suspect it will probably lower their expectations of me.
has he ever told any of his non date Women that in no way he saw them as sexually acceptable from the outset?
No, I’ve never directly stated to them that they were not sexually attractive. Put it this way, would you tell a woman that they’re not attractive?
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Obsidian,
Fucking brilliant work, but sadly wasted on DA.
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Dave’s reply was that the only trait he had was that he smiled a lot.
The smiling is so people aren’t threatened by me, and think that I’m friendly instead of the mean-faced criminal/rapist du jour. The smile is not powered by confidence.
Do you realize how so few guys even wear cologne?
Yeah, I’ve noted since I tend to wear cologne on a nearly daily basis. I tend to go through a bottle every four to six months…
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Tupac Chopra said:
For David Alexander:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder
I think it might be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_art
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Obsidian, no offense dude, but you sound like a PUA caricature, circa 2006. Cologne? “Carry on”? “High-energy”? More power to you if this stuff works for you, but applying all the tricks of the trade wholesale can make you seem like a real d-bag to a big proportion of the women out there.
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kc and chuck…
how is it that an handsome alpha like paul newman would stay “happily married” to a plain jane like joanne woodward for 50 + years? i think it’s plausible that some of our favorite stars are gay…
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Hi Alex,
I’m more than interested in hearing how *you* do it.
You were saying…?
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hi – kc and chuck…
how is it that an handsome alpha like paul newman would stay “happily married” to a plain jane like joanne woodward for 50 + years? i think it’s plausible that some of our favorite stars are gay…
Come on guy. Joanne Woodward was his second wife.
And she might look like a plain jane to you but she had a dynamic personality and was a gifted actress and that makes her more attractive to some men than a cartoon/playboy type who is dead from the neck up.
Here are some photos of Joanne Woodward
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Hi…
Its just as plausible, if not more so, that Paul Newman, isn’t gay but rather,
1 Shrewd as a jew with his money (Divorce means more then Half in CA.)
2 Is a man of his word. Yes means yes, No means no, and til death means just that.
3 is getting it on the side with a 18-25 hot mistress, and the wife accepts it, for what ever reason. (And the women still do… Eg Billery Clinton/Monica)
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Dave Alex,
As per usual, your replies are the stuff of a Logical Fallacy seminar, but I’ll just focus on *one part* of it.
Your replied that you have never told, directly and upfront, that your “non date girlfriends” were utterly sexually unattractive to you, before they got involved with you. Now, I want you and everyone else reading along to listen, very, very carefully…
You, David Alexander, are gaming these Women. You are using them to get what you want out of them, and what makes it worse, is that you do it in an underhanded way. If all parties knew from the get go what the deal was, that you weren’t interested in them for sex (and by extension possible romantic relationship) *and they were cool with that*, that would be one thing. But by your own admission, you don’t do that. You commit a series of lies-and that’s what they are-by omission. They eventually figure things out, and when they do, they invariably leave. Which explains why you stop talking about certain Women, Dave. You see, unlike far too many here, I listen very closely to what you say, and more importantly, what you don’t say.
What you’re doing to these women, under a rubric of Noble Negro logic, is in truth no better than what you excoriate Game for-no, I take that back. It’s markedly worse, because no real Player would ever lie to a Woman, implicitly or otherwise, to get what he wants from her.
You say that your happiness is contingent on what others, the “right, White people”, think of you. I wonder what they, to say nothing of your family, especially your niece and nephew, would think of a Man who has no compunctions stringing gals along because of his own personal demons.
When you go looking for answers Dave, you should be prepared to find them.
Behold, you have seen the enemy; and it is you, sir.
You so greatly disappoint me.
The Obsidian
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Oh Snap! O-G put that mutha on pimp street.
Word!
Check-a-ho!
*My inner E-thug is peepin*
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note…
Usage of the “Word!” doesn’t date me, more to the point underscores my wry sarcastic wit.
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You, David Alexander, are gaming these Women.
I am not gaming these women.
Admittedly, in some cases these female friends were either women that I had some crush on, but just couldn’t imagine them sexually, or women who had crushes on me, but I wasn’t interested in having sex with for numerous reasons. While I may not explicitly state that these relationships are sexless, they become sexless by default, and I would prefer to avoid hurting their feelings by admitting that I enjoy their company, that they’re not ugly, but they’re just simply sexually unattractive. One could imagine that the average male would feel hurt if told he was sexually unattractive, and I’d imagine that the average female would feel hurt as well. It’s rather difficult to separate the notion of beauty and sexual attractiveness.
The closest that I’ve ever come to saying no sex was telling non-date that I don’t have sex with female friends because it’s awkward and messy, and eventually leads to the friendship falling apart.
I must also add that these females were dating other men while befriending me, and or admitted to interests about men that they’ve found attractive. In other words, one could argue that our relationships weren’t explicitly sexless, but it was generally implied that there was to be no sex. I still don’t see how you think that I was using these women…
They eventually figure things out, and when they do, they invariably leave.
They left primarily because they grew tired of my whining and complaining. Wellesley Queen basically called me a loser because I didn’t finish school, do nothing all day, and because I lied to her about my progress in schooling and finding employment. Some of the others, I don’t talk to because I basically lied about finishing school, but I hide from them to avoid the mess of explaining it, or admitting to not finishing school at all.
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Yes Dave, you are gaming those Women. In fact, there was recently a story outta the NYT, about a Man who pined away for a Woman who was used and abused by badboy types. He eventually “got the girl” but before that, said girl would use him like an emotional tampon. Roissy posted that story in this forum a little while back.
We’ve all heard stories like that, the emotional tampon part, I mean. Quite a few of us guys have *been* said tampon.
I’m saying that you’ve done the same thing to those Women, Dave. Used *them* like tampons of a sort, to discharge your emotional bilge onto. And when they had enough, they rolled.
The fellas could learn something from their example.
I’ll let you in on something Dave, since you apparently refuse to see it for yourself. Those Women in your life? Chances are high that they liked you enough to have sex with you had you had just a little bit of balls and wherewithall. Sure, Men and Women can be “just friends” and happens all the time. But a lot of the time, a lot of Women wouldn’t mind gettin’ it on w/one of said friends, provided he had his head on straight. Meaning, mature, discreet, adult. Unfortuntately, a whole lotta guys, are NOT.
I’ll tell you something else too Dave. When guys rebuff Women-and you did rebuff them-they take it *harder* than we guys do. The reason why should be easy to see. Women don’t put themselves out there, even obliquely, anywhere near as much as we guys do. Rejection and being rebuffed is an everyday thing for us. Not so much for them.
Your rationale for the whole non date girlfriend, the “its me not them” deal? Save it. Women know the line very well, and despise it as much if not more, that we guys hate the Friend Zone. In either case, no one’s feelings are being spared. Its just a cowardly way out. Period.
The ironic thing about all this Dave, is that if you had spent half as much time trying to improve yourself as you do defending why your dysfunctionality is justified, things would be markedly different. That, by itself, should say it all.
Next bullshit theory/logical fallacy, please…
O
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Ktulah
The fact that you’re a delusional Internet tough guy (or girl) doesn’t mean other people suffer from mental problems. That’s not how it works, see.
I practise judo and muay thai, and I’ve sparred with women, but I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about or what it has to do with celibacy or… anything.
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@da
>When you are older you can still get very
>attractive 25 year old women to date you
>without much problem.
>
>Somehow, I’ve always had an aversion
>to dating younger than me, and I’ve
>wanted girls at the same age as me. It
>just reeks of the “creepy loser” who
>can’t do better persona. Many female
>friends have said that there’s nothing
>wrong, and said friends have all dated
>older men, and these are women who
>openly admit to being feminists.
I was like that at your age. But (finally) now I have a 25 year old mistress and a 40 year old mistress and comparing the two is instructive. The 25 year old is a total ditz – so if I’m a creepy loser in would just be over her head. I just can’t get into her. But her body is so damn tight – I practically had to think about baseball to keep my dog from triggerng too soon(of course I was in a pretty long drought). The 40 year old is loose (2 kids) and saggy… not good at all…but she can come about 10 times which is kind of fun (hmmm… maybe ugly chicks like her get _more_ fun)- and I’m learning stuff from her. I don’t think one could replace the other… you need both an older woman and a younger woman at the same time.
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@tjf
On being with a woman who’s tough I can say back in college I had a tough gf who a few years prior went through SERE training (back in the days when they did “dyke proofing”) and also did a year in the stockade before they discharged her. She was still on probation when I was with her. Before that she grew up as a tough farm girl. Needless to say I didn’t spend a whole lot of time on top. Come to think of it, she always made the first move too.
So I wonder, is she an alpha female?
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Used *them* like tampons of a sort, to discharge your emotional bilge onto.
Oddly, the emotional discharges were like here. A regular conversation topic just turns into a depressing detail of how sad I feel, except that back then, it was probably worse.
I must also note that I’ve avoided using non-date as an emotional tampon, but once in a while, she may emotionally dump on me. I don’t mind since it tends to make me feel useful and important…
Those Women in your life? Chances are high that they liked you enough to have sex with you had you had just a little bit of balls and wherewithall.
I developed crushes on these women at some point, but oddly, I could never think of them sexually. For the vast majority of these women, the entire concept of fucking these girls never developed, and most of the daydreams about them were in the holding hands sense, and many of these crushes were before porn before my standards climbed upward, and the little room that I had for average women sorta disappeared.
Chances are high that they liked you enough to have sex with you had you had just a little bit of balls and wherewithall.
One of the female friends was the older chick who cheated on her boyfriend with me. Never again. 😦
Another female was sexually attractive to me at the time, and was one of the few women that I considered banging, but back then, I presumed that if she wanted me, she would have made an attempt to do so. Plus, she was Eastern European, was smarter than me, and of course did better in school than me…
Another female was one of the few black girls that I liked, but she had a boyfriend at the time…
Your rationale for the whole non date girlfriend, the “its me not them” deal?
Non-date gives off that “crazy bitch” vibe at times, and I’ve always feared what would happen if she were to become pregnant. As much as she says she’ll get an abortion, I can’t rely on such a statement. Plus, admittedly, I have so few friends at this point that I’m willing to turn down sex in order to keep her around for longer. Also, I should probably add that her boyfriend who waxes and wanes with her interest levels is capable of kicking my ass, hence why we eat out in areas away from his neighbourhood. Mind you, as her relationship with him improves, and her friendships with her other female friends stop sucking, I suspect that my role will shrink further until I’m no longer needed. I suspect that she did like me, particularly based on the fact that she cried at her birthday “party”* because I didn’t come, but her low IQ*, questionable anger issues, and annoying Greek mother are why I didn’t bother.
*I had no interest in hanging around a bunch of 18-21 year old white proles and their drinking and pot use.
*She doesn’t come across as smart, but she doesn’t come across as stupid either. She does make me long for Wellesley Queen’s sophistication…
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Incredible game from a not so incredible movie, Indiana Jones 2
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Obsidian is so on the money with his every post that I can’t even single out one part to quote. Most alpha guy on here.
Dude, when are you going to start your own blog?? No woman on the planet (including feminists) could have any bone to pick with Game if your philosophy is a genuine example of it.
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Obsidian,
I’ve read a decent amount of “game” material over the past few years. I’ve tried to extract the larger lessons and adapt them to my own situation, and have internalized a lot of them by now. I’m a thin white guy who favors more of a hipster/artsy crowd. Wearing cologne, cockily nodding approval to a group of random girls, etc., wouldn’t fly at all with those types. You’d have to be a bit more subtle and not give off an obvious player vibe. Projecting an air of confidence and “coolness” (always looking like the most relaxed guy in the room — decidedly not “high-energy” in the Mystery-sense), and having a friendly but dry wit works for me.
Your approach seems to work well for you, but from the sound of it, you’re a naturally extroverted black guy. The sort of by-the-book PUA stuff might not work nearly as well when implemented by a lot of other people. And I do think it tends to turn off a large segment of women (the ones I described above), who are likely to perceive it as rather over the top.
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Obsidian
You ask “what works” if not seduction? Seduction does work if the goal is the old in and out with someone you are sexually attracted to. But what next? Women express commitment through sex and men do not, so once a women gives it up to a player she’s fucked and not in a good way.
Have you noticed that you tend to have little if any respect for women who are easily seduced? If she “falls” for the seduction too easily, she’s a stupid worthless whore/slut. If she doesn’t fall for it, she’s a bitter dick tease or manipulator. Seduction does work because women have strong sex drives just like men and without the worry of unwanted pregnancy they have a hard time saying no if they’re hormones rise for a particular male.
So they give in, mostly likely get pumped and dumped in those situations, are emotionally damaged and start trying to build defenses against seduction. Why? Because it hurts to be treated as so much less than you actually are. It’s like a man who gets seduced into opening his wallet for a particular woman. Quite the same. When he realizes he’s been taken, it hurts like holy hell because he knows his worth is greater than his money, same as woman knows her worth is far greater than her pussy.
So what “works” in my opinion? #1 BEING a balanced human being. Generally speaking we are 50% animal, 50% spiritual. If either one is out of balance, life is less than sweet. A balance means you are REAL and no phony techniques or manipulations are even necessary or desirable. Just be yourself; your true self. It’s easy, yet nearly impossible when you/we have been taught from day one that you should be what other people want and need you to be in order for them to feel comfortable around you.
What works is a nice combination of human/animal. A nice combination of physical/spiritual where both people are respected as immensely valuable human beings in and of themselves. When chemistry dominates the scene (as is the goal with seduction, hmmmm?) drama ensues. And for women it’s 300% worse because bonding hormones are so much stronger.
There is no greater relationship hell that I’ve personally experienced than to be chemically bonded/sexually addicted to a man who was not in love with me, but who had no qualms about enjoying slamming sex as a side benefit of my being in love with him. He was a great seducer, but it masked all kinds of insecurities and weakness.
This is just my humble little opinion and experience. It’s all subjective so what works for me, may not work for someone else, but my experience is that players/seduction artists are hiding an awful lot of ugliness and generally have no real direction in their lives; as in loose canons.
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JerrDogg
Ok, but what does this have to do with me? I’m just saying that ktulah is a delusional Internet tough guy.
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been reading this blog for a while and I must three things:
-Roissy is more right than wrong about women. I’ve asked women to read his blog and they agree, albeit a small N.
-This blog is seriously starting to warp my brain.
-I think I just fell in love with The Obsidian. Charming, articulate, smart, logical. Yummy.
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redhead I think I just fell in love with The Obsidian. Charming, articulate, smart, logical. Yummy
B honest, the 12 “O” in 72 hrs did something for you as well 🙂
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tokoyo- Has your celibacy been by choice or because you can’t get any. If it’s the second, that can cause bitterness in a man.
MU It is not only childish to take such a view, it is also meanspirited, because it denies a Man one of the most important pleasures he can have in this world, and that is gazing on a beautiful female form.
Very nice Mu. I’ma need you to get that blog with Chris back up and running. Roissy has said this many times but his way of saying it comes across as very mean spirited. You on the other hand, sound like a cool dad explaining male behavior and thoughts to his daughter.
PA PS: Chick’s imaginary scene of David with a 10 was hillarious. I didn’t know she was such a comedian
Well thank you sir. Sometimes I can get humor and/or sarcasm right 🙂
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What should such fellows as I do crawling between heaven and earth? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us. Go thy ways to a nunnery.
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Racer X, your last post has the indorphins racing throught my body as we speek.
DA Non-date wants me to go clubbing with her to meet women, but I’ve told her no. Clubs are for “normal” people, not for freaks like me.
This mofo ain’t serious.
Mu There are LOTS of Sistas who are all but hopping mad. And while the obstensible rationale is the lamentable lack of “eligible Black Men”
A lot of those sisters won’t date out. Some of them date African-Americans only, that means no FOB West Indian, African or South American Black man. Those sisters are fishing with a rod, Nicole & I fish with a net.
Mu So looking like a 30 year old, being told that you fuck like a 20 year old,
*DEAD*
Chuck that David Alexander may be our black Woody Allen.
You are not the first to say this. Funny thing, DA does look like Woody Allen with a dark tan.
Whiskey Pick a man for comfort, not for speed
Very true
DB chic – just curious, why did you die upon seeing racerx’s site? i found it pretty amusing (and kind of hot) and have to give the guy props for being true to himself.
*Because I liked what I saw 🙂
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So what “works” in my opinion? #1 BEING a balanced human being. Generally speaking we are 50% animal, 50% spiritual. If either one is out of balance, life is less than sweet. A balance means you are REAL and no phony techniques or manipulations are even necessary or desirable. Just be yourself; your true self. It’s easy, yet nearly impossible when you/we have been taught from day one that you should be what other people want and need you to be in order for them to feel comfortable around you.
What works is a nice combination of human/animal. A nice combination of physical/spiritual where both people are respected as immensely valuable human beings in and of themselves. When chemistry dominates the scene (as is the goal with seduction, hmmmm?) drama ensues. And for women it’s 300% worse because bonding hormones are so much stronger.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT IS THIS NEW AGE GIBBERISH NONSENSE? HOW CAN THIS BE OF PRACTICAL ASSISTANCE TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF AN INSANE ASYLUM OR HIPPIE COMMUNE? SHUT THE FUCK UP SARA!
This is just my humble little opinion and experience.
NO, IT’S YOUR TOTALLY RETARDED ACID-TRIP DELUSION YOU RAMBLING NARCISSIST. SHUT THE FUCK UP SARA! YOU HELP NO ONE. YOU JUST WANT TO HEAR YOURSELF YAMMER.
There is no greater relationship hell that I’ve personally experienced than to be chemically bonded/sexually addicted to a man who was not in love with me, but who had no qualms about enjoying slamming sex as a side benefit of my being in love with him. He was a great seducer, but it masked all kinds of insecurities and weakness.
AND IF HE KNOCKED AT YOUR DOOR WITH HIS COCK HANGING OUT OF HIS PANTS, YOU’D OPEN THE DOOR AND POUNCE HEADFIRST ON HIS ROD WITH YOUR DROOLING MOUTH, NO MATTER HOW SUPERIOR YOU TRY TO TALK IN THE COMMENTS SECTION. SHUT THE FUCK UP SARA.
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Chic Noir
Thanx…I would love to make a lot of things race through your body…
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@db
>jerrdog – to answer your question, it can
>be common for guys to approach sex in a
>formulaic way. for these guys, they’ll go
> through the…
You should buy your boyfriends a copy of “She Comes First” or something. The book’s a little one-dimensional, and it doesn’t really have anything that a normal 20 year old man shouldn’t have already figured out, but if you can get your guy to at least read the thing I don’t see how he can be totally clueless.
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Racer X
Chic Noir
Thanx…I would love to make a lot of things race through your body…
😯 😯 😯
Um I saw your new post and will wait until I’m home and alone to read it. That baby needs to be enjoyed alone.
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Hi Alex,
Thanks for the reply.
I don’t think we disagree all that much, once you take into account the importance of finding the style and approach that best works w/you. As you well know, a big concept in Game is “congruancy”, doing things that actually fit who you are.
Some guys are more naturally lowkey, and from what you say about yourself, this applies to you. And you’re right, I do tend to be more of an extrovert.
But what I can say, w/the utmost confidence Alex, is that, as a stompdown, Brotha from the hood, I can do quite well in your very White, very Hipster haunts. Why?
Because I understand what is common in and among human beings. No matter what the race or even class, Women like certain things in Men. This is universal.
Standing out is one of them.
The reason why you would have trouble with it, is because you’re not a naturally standout guy, and that need not be a bad thing. A Smooth Operator will always be in demand.
One of my reasons for delving into Game as its formally known-and here I tip my hat to my White Brothers, for they have always been known to be excellent codifiers and organizers-is to understand, in a conscious sense, how and why what I did in the past, did or did not work. So you could say that I’m kind of “reverse engineering” myself via Game. Its been one heck of a social experiment.
Thanks again.
O
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Sara,
While I respect your POV, I’m not sure your admittedly limited experience of the PUA community can in any way be representative of the whole.
For example, I don’t buy the argument, or premise, that simply being a PUA means that you have serious problems of one sort or another. I think Game is a kind of empty vessel, to be filled with whatever the guy brings with him to it.
I should also like to say, that no true Player would do to you what you’ve reported. Being used in the way you reported is anathema to a true PUA. Read the materials and see for yourself.
And for what it’s worth, I’m sorry.
The Obsidian
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OK Dave, I was waiting to see what new bullshit theories and excuses you would throw up, and you most certainly didn’t disappoint.
Listen Dave, you can play a bad game of Three Card Monty till your blue in your Black face, but at the end of the day the one constant in all of this, is YOU. If you want to meet “better people”, do it. The End.
Personally? I pride myself on the wide degree of variety insofar as people I actually spend facetime with. It ain’t nothin’ to see me bustin’ it up at one of the hipster spots on Rittenhouse Square amidst the kinds of White folks you deify, and, in the same night, frequent a hole in the wall Latin afterhours spot gettin’ it in w/the Boriquas; hanging w/the Haitians out in West Philly the next night, then over accross town to chill w/the Jamaicans in the same night. I know rich and poor, prole and pro, White & Black & Hispanic, Arab, Asian, you name it. And you know something, Dave? The *only* people who ever gave me shit about who I am or where I come from or what I do, were people I’ve never met on a computer screen. Aint that peculiar?
You really need to get out a lot more than you do, man.
O
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