Commenter DF wrote:
Oh yeah, Chris Brown is alpha. No doubt. If rumors are true. The beat down stems from a booty call text. So he beat down Rihanna when she confronted him about it, probably tapped the other chick that very night, and has Rihanna drop the charges. That’s fucking alpha.
Yep, it’s alpha. Many people, despite their revulsion, will believe these rumors because these kinds of stories are all too common. Alpha isn’t always “amused mastery” or grace under pressure. Sometimes, in fact a lot of times, it’s a flying flurry of fists to the face, in the case of Rihanna leaving its demon mark as shadow horns on its victim AKA enabler.
Chicks dig power, and slapping a girl around is a form of power, whether we like it or not. Girls get moist in the nether regions for men who hit them, as we can deduce by the fact that most of the masochist victims go back to their punch-happy lovers. Many women drop the charges entirely, until they have taken one too many blows to the head and desperation finally severs the powerful bond of their emotionally paralyzing love for their tormentors. And make no mistake, it is LOVE they are feeling for their savage boyfriends. If you watch Cops, the domestic abuse emergency calls are very revealing. Often, the cop will arrive after the woman or a neighbor has called 911, only to find that getting a full accounting of the events from the victim is like pulling teeth. She will hem and haw, and ask the cop to go easy on her boyfriend (it’s usually a boyfriend, not a husband), and even give the boyfriend, who moments earlier was knocking her across the room, a hug and kiss as he’s being pushed down into the squad car.
Understand: Nearly EVERY woman — even upper class and educated women — has buried in the recesses of her feminine mystique a vulnerable center that will yield entirely and gratefully to a violent alpha male who will hit her. When you have a fear of approach, and you’re feeling intimidated by all those sharply dressed and tightly coifed yuppie chicks striding purposefully down city streets and in office buildings, Blackberries in hand and eyes cold as ice, just remember that each one of them possesses, in varying degrees of will to surrender, the capacity to submit her heart and her pussy to a violent thug.
When you begin to see them this way, I promise your fear of approach will become manageable. To be successful with women, you must destroy the last vestige of the pedestal you put them on and the unearned respect you’re impelled to give them.
Why does beat down game work? Answer: It’s asshole game x100. And it’s particularly effective on the hottest, most desirable chicks. In Darwinian terms, any guy who has the cojones to hit a woman is a guy who gets so much pussy he doesn’t care about the risk that she’ll leave him. And what that attitude encapsulates — Imperturbable Aloofness — is attractive to women. Very attractive. When I talk about psychological dominance as a core component of male power, I’m referring to that Stone Cold Take It Or Leave It attitude. Think of Game as the software app that installs this attitude into your superego. No plump 401K or fancy car needed.
The face of a beautiful woman in love with an alpha:
No charges have yet been filed by Rihanna. Just the opposite. She wants him back. On message boards, Rihanna fans have been begging the singer not to drop any possibly forthcoming charges against Brown. Seems people are very aware, deep in the dark echoing chambers of their ids, that beautiful women like Rihanna are prone to run back into the arms of violent men. We expend a lot of mental effort pretending we’re blind to the reality of human nature, when we act in accordance with its precepts all the time. We are fallen sinners not from Adam and Eve, but from Travis the chimp. We haven’t evolved as far from face eating as some would hope.
For any female readers who are disturbed by this post, take it up with your sisters who reward guys like Chris Brown, over and over again. I am the messenger you lash out at for revealing a truth about yourselves that hits a little too close to home. Shame the messenger and in doing so you hope to silence the sway of your darkest natures.
Nothing to see here but cold hard truth. You’d best move along, folks…
Related: Keeping Your Woman In Line. Reports from the front.
I’ve been saying this from the very beginning. I thinking of printing some fake “Free Chris Brown” T-shirts—> All the Alphas will love it!
*sets up grill*
*opens ice chest*
*has Mei Ling grab me an alpha brand beer*
*kicks back on lawn chair*
This is going to be great.
To repeat what I said on the other thread:
Brown already was an Alpha, as shown by his occupation and especially by his ability to pull the extremely desirable Rihanna as a girlfriend. He had nothing more to prove. All he has accomplished, assuming the beating allegations are true, is to greatly tarnish his reputation, probably for years to come. This will particularly be true if he tries to venture into other fields, for example if he wants to try his hand at acting. He’ll probably be blacklisted for years to come.
Peter
This reminds me of http://www.takeninhand.com again…
But I’d expect a true alpha to hit in a way that doesn’t endanger the health of the chick.
I’m not surprised to see that she’s contemplating taking him back. I was waiting for that story to drop.
One thought to add to beat-down game. To implement it successfully, the beating has to commence somewhat early in the relationship by an established alpha. This probably isn’t the first time Brown has slapped Rihanna around.
As for his career, it will suffer. Look at Ike and Tina Turner. Ike, who was a musical genius, was castigated and generally despised after his relationship with Tina.
Tony Soprano enraged with his wife Carmela: punches a giant hole in drywall an inch away from her face.
Christopher Moltisanti enraged with his girlfriend Adrianna: beats her bloody and chokes her to near-death.
Both alphas, one a lion, the other a pup. There is something to be said for self-control; Chris Brown lacks it. He’s a flare-out and burn-out Alpha. Guys like him pay for it sooner than later.
Tony killed Christopher.
“Why does beat down game work? Answer: It’s asshole game x100. And it’s particularly effective on the hottest, most desirable chicks.”
There is no doubt that it works.
Its just not acceptable and shows weakness.
And if it is “Alpha” its because there is a higher level than Alpha.
Its called: The G
As Fillmore Slim said, “You don’t Pimp with these (making fists) you Pimp with you Mind”
– MPM
Fuck, PA:
“Tony killed Christopher.”
You ruined it for me.
If this situation didn’t have so much exposure it’s likely that Jay-Z or someone close to Rihanna would call in something on Chris Brown. Unfortunately, the law gets in the way of vigilante justice, rendering any appropriate revenge unactionable…at least in the near-term.
I repeat, in case y’all missed my argument:
Ironrailsironweights:
“He may have established himself as an Alpha, but at what cost? Even if Rihanna drops the charges, his reputation will suffer, probably for years to come. And it’s not as if Brown had to establish himself as an Alpha in order to be able to attract quality women … after all, he had one of the world’s most desirable celebrities for a girlfriend!”
—Big lie, and something mass media force feeds us. Wife beaters are almost never ostracized for their wife/gf beatings. It’s a ruse concocted by feminists in the media.
Quite simply, Brown will not suffer. Does Snoop Dogg suffer from promoting pimiping, forcing women into sexual slavery, shooting cops, selling drugs, and promoting a degenerate lifestyle? Did Alec Baldwin suffer for abusing his kid on national TV?
Brown may do an interview or two with Baba Wawa so that the SWPLers can forgive his behavior because “he’s from the ghetto” or “oppression of black-male masculinity” or some other pseudo-excuse that allows hipsters to excuse any degenerate behavior in blacks. But take this to the bank: the SWPLers are primed to let this slide.
And his female base will love him more, for 2 reasons:
1) women get turned on by a man who might kill them on a whim–the self-loathing female syndrome (see any gangster and hsi gun molls, or how women love bad boys);
2) black women, I would think, make up a large protion of his audience, considering I’d never heard of this yutz before this incident, being a white male who isn’t an R&B/Hip-hop fan outside of top 40 radio (this shows lack of crossover outside of his genre–after all, I know who Snoop Dogg and Rhianna are).
Black women have a tendency,. more so than other races, to blame a black woman for driving a man away. I remember vividly the TV series “Living Single” from the 90s (a black sitcom), where a handsome male constantyly fought with/wooed an uptight, bitchy female attorney. At the end of the 2nd to last season, they break up, and he tells her something to the effect that he’s sick of her making everything so hard for him and not just letting him be a man.
At these words, the audience cackled and cheered (rather unexpectedly, if you watch the actor’s reaction), and the sound was overwhelmingly female. The woman was clearly a SWPLer in black form, obsessed with her career and being “strong” , and on a non-black sitcom, I could have seen her speech being cheered. but Black women knew that was b.s., and he was a damn good catch for her.
What I’m saying is that black women will blame a beaten woman before the man in more cases than with non-black women. So Chris Brown will not suffer. He’ll be promoted, because “bitch had it comin’.”
On a side note, I noticed Roissy used a clip from “Girlfriends” once to highlight emasculation. I’ve noticed that modern black sitcoms depicting middle and upperclass blacks tend to be much more honest at showing male perspectives. Its probably because blacks have only have moved en masse into the middle class over the last generation or so, while non-blacks have had several generations of ball-cutting off; the experience is new for black males.
I’d like to hear Obsidian/other black men here offer a take on this.
As always, Rossy’s posts are full of assumptions and declarations without any numbers to back them up. This is just one instance, and an extreme case where the guy already was super successful and was already an alpha. Roissy, are you speaking from your own experience that this works? And did you really need to hit the girl to get prove you were worth it?
Jay-Z is a man who promotes the kind of lifestyle Chris Brown just engaged in.
No way he stops working with Brown, unless Rhianna tells me to or it hurts the bottom line–neither of which will happen. You idiots who think Jay-Z has any morality about beating women aren’t listening to what he promotes.
p.s. not that Jay-Z is as tough as his image consultants make him out to be. don’t believe a bunch of trumped up charges and media manipulation. “street cred” for rappers is just rumors passed out in crappy hip-hop clubs and magazines without any proof behind them.
This was during the mid 90s, the peak of feminist influence, Camille Paglia was asked why battered women always return to their boyfriends. She replied: “because the sex is so hot!”
Great description and a great point. Since reading this blog I’ve found flirting with hot 19 – 22 year old girls or polished cougar uberbitches unintimidating and effortless. Just the image in my head of thier dirty id’s is all I need.
Serious question: does it work as mainly on fucked-up women? Yeah, I know, even corporate mavens in tailored pantsuits have dark cravings, but I’m guessing that LTR-worthy women can override their attraction to beatdown game.
Again, a genius description but it can go the other way too. Lawrence Auster made a convincing point of Travis the Chimp being part of a pattern of divine-ordered events that expose man’s hubristic assumptions as false.
I try not to comment on shit I know you’re just being controversial about, but this one is more disgusting than the rest. You know how your commenters already are – why egg them on?
Not that you’ll miss me, but I feel like I have to say it anyway: This one lost me. Roissy’s off my Google Reader.
Bill Hicks:
Hitler had Eva Braun
Manson had Squeaky Fromme
Ted Bundy got lots of dates
I wonder what I’m doing wrong?
I don’t pretend to understand
women’s little quirks
There’s just one thing I know for sure:
Chicks dig jerks.
Well if I meet one more single mom
who’s true love has up-and-gone
tells me on her trailer porch
about that man and still carries a torch
Sure, he came home drunk each night
Beat the kids and her in a fight
But man, she loves him so
“It’s so hard to let him go.”
I don’t pretend to understand
women’s little quirks
There’s just one thing I know for sure:
Chicks dig jerks.
Well, I’m sure there are some out there who can relate
Take the young man without a date
Sees some jerk, some fine fine babe
Go driving away
Well is that a new bruise you got on you?
What does it say, that he loves you?
Sure, he beats you but afterwards he cries
“Oh baby, I could die.”
Honey I don’t think that’s nothing to be proud of
I think it’s called “alcoholism”
I don’t think you should move away —
Stay with him till you’re in your grave
“You’re so sweet.”
“Can’t we just be friends?”
“I think of you as a brother.”
Oh, man.
Ow.
What do I have to offer you, baby?
Poetry and True Love
That’s not enough, I know for sure
You need someone to throw you through the door
I don’t pretend to understand
women’s little quirks
There’s just one thing I know for sure:
Chicks dig jerks.
It’s so true.
I’m tellin’ you man, be mean to ‘em, man.
They’ll never leave you then.
Cuz chicks dig jerks.
Just ignore ‘em.
Act like they’re not there.
Man, you’re gonna be pullin’ chicks outta your hair.
They LOVE that.
Act like you don’t care.
Aw, look at ‘em, everywhere.
They come runnin’.
Tired of being a good guy.
Such a lonely life.
I’m gonna be a jerk!
Yeah, that’s right, I’m gonna step on lots of toes.
Girls are gonna go crazy for that guy.
Baby, I’m gonna act like I don’t even know you.
Not gonna return ONE of your calls.
Oh, I hear her, she’s already at the door, man.
She’s “INTRIGUED” by my indifference.
Woo! I’m a jerk, and it’s working out.
Haha!
Long time female lurker via my google reader. I have to disagree, there isn’t a battered little woman residing amongst my psyche, waiting with oh so baited breath. While women do crave male dominance, this article makes me want to purse my lips, bottle my poon juice and store them in the back of the freezer alongside my homemade chicken broth.
“And make no mistake, it is LOVE they are feeling for their savage boyfriends.”
Battered women do not feel “love” toward their abusers in the context of this post. They are women who fall for asshole game time and time again to due to deep-seated insecurities and results of some form of anti-nuture while growing up. It starts with emotional abuse. Intense fights, and negs all the other times to keep her on her toes (even on 1s). Fence building of the batteree by the batterer in order to eliminate anyone outside the circle that may question the alpha’s dominance. Its a constant toeing of the line by the alpha to exert more control. The abuse will then shift to a combination of physical and emotional. By the time, the alpha will have broken her down like in to a pile of bricks, building her up and taking her down anytime he pleases.
It is not love. These women are sick. The men are even sicker.
I commend guys that break out of their shells and stop taking woman’s feminist shit, frankly the reason I don’t have many female friends is precisely the reason why game works. But, I must draw the line here.
I am a stay at home wife. I pick up after my alpha husband everyday and cook for him. I am almost always the hottest woman in any room I walk into, face, hair and body. Take it from a rare 10 that grew up ugly, the reason why I am still grounded.
Peter Peter Furball Eater:
To repeat what I said on the other thread:
Brown already was an Alpha, as shown by his occupation and especially by his ability to pull the extremely desirable Rihanna as a girlfriend. He had nothing more to prove. All he has accomplished, assuming the beating allegations are true, is to greatly tarnish his reputation, probably for years to come.
What you’re missing is that his aggressive nature — as evidenced by his unrestrainable passion — is what enabled him to strive, fight, and climb his way to the top in the first place. It’s not like his violent tendencies were incidental to his ambitious nature.
It is a lie that all that matters for success in this world is competence.
Moxie is just as, if not more than, important.
“You idiots who think Jay-Z has any morality about beating women aren’t listening to what he promotes. ”
By you idiots I assume you mean Chuck. First off, I’m not saying that Jay-Z is going to side with Rihanna out of a moral obligation; Jay-Z has probably slapped some women around in his time as well.
Jay-Z would do something to Chris Brown only in order to protect his women. Rihanna has been coddled and protected by Jay-Z throughout her career.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20042075,00.html
An alpha has to protect his harem against the onslaught of another alpha. I’m not claiming that Jay-Z is protecting Rihanna for sexual reasons, but he is protecting her for his own financial security. If she goes the way of Whitney Houston, Jay-Z loses a shit-ton of money from Rihanna not meeting her potential. Jay-Z would likely shut that down. He’s a former crack, cocaine dealer (reportedly) so he knows all about protecting his turf. Any revenge on Chris Brown would be for strictly business reasons, but this isn’t really all that different from how the animal kingdom works is it? A man, lion, wolf, has to protect his herd in order to maintain his level of respect by other alphas hoping to crowd in on his success. His wealth is directly related to the amount of respect he garners from performers, producers, and fans.
add OJ Simpson to the list of burned-out alphas. His murder descended him to a life of petty theft.
but, this statement, Nearly EVERY woman — even upper class and educated women……………………just remember that each one of them possesses, in varying degrees of will to surrender, the capacity to submit her heart and her pussy to a violent thug.
I’m not buying “nearly every”. Most women will be scared and repulsed by the tell-tail signs of violence. Rhianna, I suspect, grew up in a home with violence, and has been violent herself–a thugette. I would not be surprised to learn that she lashed out at the police or the hospital staff.
Ah yes, its beating up on girls is completely Alpha, in much the same way kicking puppies and stealing candies from babies is Alpha. The rampaging chimp last week that blinded and maimed some poor woman?-Complete Alpha, running the ultimate neg on the woman. All those victims had it coming, and really deep inside, wanted it.
Yeah, he was already alpha because of success/fame, but there are plenty of guys who aren’t successful/famous who beat their hot chicks as roissy pointed out. You betas probably have had a few of them cry on your under-developed, weakling shoulders after they got slapped around.
Keep in mind that Roissy is not endorsing violence against anyone but merely explaining what it is that makes women like Rianna stick with someone like Chris Brown.
Sure sounds like endorsement to me:
“When you begin to see them this way, I promise your fear of approach will become manageable. To be successful with women, you must destroy the last vestige of the pedestal you put them on and the unearned respect you’re impelled to give them.”
thanks roiss for your progressive and humanist blogging and keep making the world a better place
All he’s doing is exposing their nature so that guys aren’t intimidated from approaching them.
This territory was covered by Camille Paglia 15 years ago, by the way.
“Jay-Z would do something to Chris Brown only in order to protect his women. Rihanna has been coddled and protected by Jay-Z throughout her career.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20042075,00.html”
—Investment, I agree. As I stated in my post, this is the only reason Rhianna gets help. but this is GOOOD for ehr: suddenly, she’s the poor beaten female who just got on the cover of People. A black chick on the cover of People who is not a movie star, Oprah, or the First Klingon? For that, Jay-Z himself would beat this little pop tart.
“An alpha has to protect his harem against the onslaught of another alpha. I’m not claiming that Jay-Z is protecting Rihanna for sexual reasons, but he is protecting her for his own financial security.”
—please. Jay-Z is a pop star-image. he’s not going harem-protection-mode. you watch too much BET.
“He’s a former crack, cocaine dealer (reportedly) so he knows all about protecting his turf.”
–he was not. just more image-making from his p.r. department.
Jay-Z won’t do anything except if it is to keep this soap opera going and milk the p.r.
Good one.
There is civilized alpha and ghetto garbage alpha.
Let me explain. Civilized people can be alpha, yet still maintain a modern civilization. Ghetto trash can be alpha but can’t maintain a civilization, because they are always sabotaging, killing, robbing, and beating the crap out of each other.
Do any of you really aspire to be the latter? Are you so blind that you can no longer make a distinction??!
Looks like the guy did hold back though. She has some blood on lips bout it. Not like her eye is hanging off her cheek. She took a small beating. He didn’t disfigure her. I think the nose probably already looked like that. She probably went crazy on him when she found number then found out no matter how much a woman works out they cannot beat down a man with there bare hands. Looks like she got put in check by a lover not a street beatdown by someone who hates her or what another woman would do to her that would get the advantage in a fight.
Keeping Chimps as pets: Idiotic.
Travis the chimp could take Chuck Lidell and Mike Tyson (in his prime) at the same time.
– MPM
I don’t think it is alpha at all. Real alphas contend with other men over various resources. If you are fighting with a woman, you are doing something wrong, and you have already lost control over the situation. If you have to hit her, that is a sign that you lack the effective means to control her in any other way, except a method which is both hazardous to her, and your own freedom. Not very smart. Or alpha.
There is civilized alpha and ghetto garbage alpha. Let me explain. Civilized people can be alpha, yet still maintain a modern civilization.
James Bond would kick Chris Brown’s ass anytime.
Camille Paglia didn’t say “Nearly EVERY woman — even upper class and educated women — has buried in the recesses of her feminine mystique a vulnerable center that will yield entirely and gratefully to a violent alpha male who will hit her.” She only said that there were some women like this.
Oh, and she also said that this was usually not a manifestation of male power, but a sign of male weakness, and that this was one of the reasons why a certain type of woman enjoyed violence from men. This sort of woman might accept being hit, accept her husband’s frantic apologies, enjoy some kind of sexual encounter with him afterwards made all the “hotter” by both the apology and the beating, and keep him tied to her as a dependent child through frequent re-enactment of this scenario.
Don’t know whether this is true, but it’s as likely to be true as Roissy’s description of the violence dynamic between men and women. I’ve said here before that many alpha men (in Roissy’s sense of being able to bag birds) are rather weak and full of self-doubt in private.
“—please. Jay-Z is a pop star-image. he’s not going harem-protection-mode. you watch too much BET. ”
P-Diddy and Suge Knight had pop star image as well, but look what happened to Tupac and Biggie.
And I don’t watch BET. I don’t even watch MTV. I pick up on these things when my girlfriend is talking to her friends about it.
“–he was not. just more image-making from his p.r. department.”
You have the inside track now into Jay-Z’s life all of a sudden? I’m not sure to what extent Jay-Z was into drug-dealing, but I’m sure he picked up a thing or two about protecting his assets either through small-time dealing or being in the cut-throat record business.
anon a victim is someone who is just riding there bike to work and gets gangbeaten by 20 people to the point they have to be given free plastic surgery to put there face back together. A man and woman in a relationship who get into a tiff about something does not make her a victim when she gets a bloody lip.
Don’t you have a maxim about people turning against Alphas only when they abuse women? How do you reconcile that with this post?
Can someone fire a statistic of how many women stay with their men in marriages after a reported assault? I’ve seen it before and I know the stat is disgusting.
That said, I would never condone this type of behavior even if in some sick, twisted way some women enjoy it.
I think you might be reaching for reason girls stay with guy like that.
It has to do with how you relate to your own Papa. If you have two parents, they raise you together and are married and Papi was and still is protective well then I think a girl is not so likely to stay with a guy that is violent. My Papi has been known to crack his state issued service weapon across the face of a man and all my brothers and uncles have tracked bad men to keep us safe.
Family values are a big part of it. If you respect your father, you will not go back to a man like that.
Sean Connery, aka James Bond, talking about smacking his bitches to keep them in line:
“There is civilized alpha and ghetto garbage alpha… Ghetto trash can be alpha but can’t maintain a civilization, because they are always sabotaging, killing, robbing, and beating the crap out of each other.”
Guess what?
Ghetto alpha is on the way to winning: They’ve all got 8 kids by 8 different baby mama on welfare that comes from taxes paid by the civilized alpha.
Anyway, somehow I’m not surprised Rihanna likes thug-lovin’.
I can’t wait until Chic Noir comes around and blows a fuse.
Or ten.
Jay-Z was long rumored to have used a
beatdown“firm” hand with Beyonce when they were dating. They’re married now. Chew on that.Carl, Sean Connery is the fucking man and still married.
Now all that being said, I don’t advocate guys going out and beating their girls. That shit ain’t right. Save it for the bedroom. Girls love to be chocked and slapped during sex. Say what?
Camille Paglia didn’t say “Nearly EVERY woman — even upper class and educated women — has buried in the recesses of her feminine mystique a vulnerable center that will yield entirely and gratefully to a violent alpha male who will hit her.” She only said that there were some women like this.
Indeed. There are also some of us who’ll slice your dick off with a carving knife if you ever raise a hand to us. Believe it.
[roissy: proportionality issues much?]
If you have to resort to hitting a woman (one who isn’t physically threatening you with harm, I mean) you’ve already lost. And you’re no alpha.
[and yet so SO many women give their bodies over to guys who do *exactly* that to them.]
Gotta roll w/the G-man on the chimp thing. I understand they’re among thee most unpredictable-and therefore dangerous-primates to have around (the Tim Burton remake of The Planet of The Apes comes to mind; the “extras” section of the dvd speaks to this).
Anyway…
What’s good people? I was hoping that Roissy would at some point see fit to broach this topic for discussion, and from what I can see, the gang’s all here. So, let’s dive right in…
First, to Lurker’s remarks. I’ve carefully read what he’s written early on in the comments, and I must say that much of his words indeed have merit. The Black middle class really didn’t happen enmasse until the mid 1980s or so, right during the height of the Reagan years incidentally, and, since he mentioned sitcom tv, The Cosby Show years as well. Frquent Roissy commenter T aka Ricky Raw has on more than one occasion noted his aversion to said show because of what he saw as the constant emasculation of Cliff Huxtable by his wife Claire (and which was something that was NEVER seen in the Evans home on Good Times; Florida always had James’ back).
Although I don’t think I actually saw the Living Single episode Lurker speaks to, I am familiar w/the actor who portrayed the role, and again, he makes a good point. There does seem to be a theme wherein which middle class males are somehow made to be brought low somehow. We see this even in the Simpsons, and again, note how this is not in evidence in Good Times, or even All in The Family for that matter. Archie Bunker pretty much shoots himself in the foot. Big difference, I would think.
Still, Lurker’s points about Black Women vis a vie the Living Single show are not only valid, bu t hardly a new thing in Black America; its the stuff of “thug lit” novels, stage plays, sitcoms and even movies. Its discussed at parties and other gatherings, and so on, and its hard to see an issue of Essene magazine where they *don’t* take up sad issue some way or another. So again, its powerful stuff.
Of course, the issue comes down to a number of things in my mind, some biological, others social and historical: on the one side, Black Women are going to challenge their Me more overty because, in my view, they have more testosterone than do other Women of other races. That said, Black Men have historically been prevented from full participation in all that our society says defines a Man. And of course, Black Women benefitted immensely from he strides the Women’s Movement has made.
So all of this makes for one hectic brew stewing in a cauldron of tension; and it explains, at least in part (in no way do I want to suggest that Brothas are blameless here) *why* the Black marital rate is so low. Simply put, being Black makes keeping a relationship or marriage going, a bit tougher to pull off.
What’s the solution? Easy question but the answers are harder to find. But I suspect that at least some of it lay in Black Women having to confront, squarely, the very thing that gave them so much more, obstensibly at least, options: their White Feminist Sisters. On this score based on my own study and observation, there appears to be a kind of holding silence on a dirty little secret between Black and White Women; in a sense this makes sense, as Women tend to be more group-oriented and concensus building than are Men by and large. Better not to confront nasty contradictions and glaring realities, even as they stare you right in the face.
As for the actual issue…
People may not like what Roissy says, but more often than not, it’s true. Women crave a Dominant Male, by and large. Now, of course, there are many ways to convey dominance, sure. But make no mistake: the ability to project Power-including Lethal-is no joke. When the deal goes down, and you’re a Female, who is constantly reminded by how vulnerable you are in this world, even in our more obstensibly enlightened and progressive times, you want to know that the Man you’ve selected is able, if he has to, tear the head off an adversary and shit down his throat, without hesitation or remorse. And to make sure he’ll do that, you, as the Female, will, from time to time, test him.
I’ve said in this forum and elsewhere, that while I disagree w/Brown’s methods, I think he was right to put his Woman in check. It would not surprise me in the least that they’ve had episodes like this before, w/Rihanna egging at least some of them on, for the aforementioned reasons.
Therefore, the appropriate response is to do what Ricky Ricardo did to Lucille Ball (and several occaisions, in the uptight-literally-see Bettie Page-1950s): tie fire to dat azz.
Firm paddling of your Woman’s bottom will cool things out accordingly, additionally, please see A History of Violence, the stairwell scene, as to what to do after the spanking has been administered.
Corporeal punishement along sexual lines has been with humanity for millennia, please note ancient drawings and the like of the Greeks, etc, also it is mentioned in detail in the Kama Sutra. Women are the natural submissives of Men. It is the way of things.
At any rate, I am not surprised to learn of Rihanna’s refusal to press charges against Brown. Indeed, I’m shocked that it took this long.
I’ll hold here. Comment and reply, holla.
The Obsidian
I think PA said it best with the Sopranos analogy. I think the whole idea is just to SHOW the woman who’s in charge, not practice your jabs and uppercuts on.
I think a better alpha, who’s girl flipped out over a text, woulda kicked her ass out the lambo, on the curb. Apparently he tried to do this but Rihanna wouldn’t get out.
Self-restraint is important.
There could be a negative effect on Chris Brown’s career because unlike Sean Connery or R. Kelly, etc., Chris issued a pretty beta apology. Contrast with R. Kelly’s “It wasn’t me.”
Women still LOVE R. Kelly. Possibly more now than ever before.
Perhaps women will lose some of that rabid lust for Chris Brown because he has shown himself as just a wanna-be ghetto guy assaulting a woman.
I would argue that Chris Brown was falling backwards into chump-like behavior. Of course, it is easy to forget he is a very young man without much life experience.
The story I read suggested that Chris was cuckolded by Jay-Z.
Chris bagged a very hot young girl, and started acting like a weak chump. We’ve all been there. He then lost her to a more alpha guy, Jay-Z.
He got frustrated, hurt, and angry. He lashed out. He showed not dominance, but poor socialization.
She does not want Chris back. She won’t even take a call from the guy.
[roissy: chiclet did you read the link to the news story in my post?
so your deliberate misinterpretation of events is wrong.]
“Girls love to be chocked and slapped during sex. Say what?”
Indeed. Don’t want them moving about too much! All your chocking needs can be found here:
http://www.chocks.com/
Good prices.
Depending on state laws, there is no such thing as whether or not a female “presses charges’. If police show up and there is evidence of violence, it is crime against the state and the victim is what is known as a ‘witness’. Please research what you are talking about before making ignorant talk about ‘pressing charges’. The state is the one that ‘presses charges’ in cases like assaults and homicides and domestics. Even in places like in my old city in P.R…
nice counterbalancing comment anonymous @ 4:19
Back to the family of origin. I’d bet that Rhianna’s saw violence in her family. I would not be surprised if she threw the first punch, or the first scratch, or hair pull or slap towards Brown.
Black-girl fights in any ghetto high school are the most ferocious. The boy fights are typically limited to posturing until a teacher intervenes. I’ve seen Black women fight physically in public, it’s ugly.
For another display of a chick expressing her devotion after getting beat down, watch this vid
so anon when you say threatening with harm are you referring to physical harm or could it just be that she was threating to take away everything that the man has worked for his whole life and also maybe going to lie about him to his friends to turn them against him, and also take away his kids. Does that count or is the worste thing in the world to be beaten physically rather than beaten and disrespected in every other area of life and it lasts forever.
Looks like gunslinger has a personal issue.
It’s interesting how there is no stigma against a woman threatening bloody and permanent bodily mutilation and disfigurement. Is it just me or does mutilation not seem like a just punishment for battery?
Now if you want to threaten paying some street toughs or big family members to kick the guys ass, that’s fair play.
But you’re a crazy bitch if you think it’s normal to talk about cutting a dick off.
If some chick is talking about cutting it off with a knife in her hand, and making some lunge-y moves, then yes, by all means, beat away. If she’s jawing and talking smack, but without any physical moves, or threatening gestures, just laugh at her. Same for guys talking smack to women. If your physical well being isn’t in actual danger, then there is no need for a physical response.
I’ve always wondered if BDSM is a SWPL excuse for the old Heathcliff fantasy of the violent, domineering man. “I’m not a submissive tool of the patriarchy, I’m an empowered feminist who enjoys kinky sex!”
Yes there are female dominants, but they’re so rare they can make a living satisfying their preferences (is that a great gig or what?) As for male submissives, well…c’mon, you’ve written about omegas and betas many times.
“It’s interesting how there is no stigma against a woman threatening bloody and permanent bodily mutilation and disfigurement. Is it just me or does mutilation not seem like a just punishment for battery?”
Is Lorena Bobbitt still in jail?
[roissy: at the time of lorena’s trial, she had many female fans cheering on her actions. if it was a vote among women to decide whether to imprison lorena, she’s be free as a bird.]
I hope the guys here aren’t taking you seriously. Now I’m being to see why some like Shouting Thomas can’t stand your ass.
[roissy: female countermove ploy #25: attempt at ostracization. nice try, cunt-for-brains.]
Chicks dig power, and slapping a girl around is a form of power, whether we like it or not. Girls get moist in the nether regions for men who hit them
You really shouldn’t post lies like this.
[why do so many women stay with abusive boyfriends and continue to love them and spread their legs for them?]
I understand you want to drive up your traffic but really Roissy
You know this a widely read blog yet you post crap like this. You never know who is reading your blog and may hold it against you latter in life( Jessica Cutler).
[do you condone violent attacks against people speaking freely?]
If you think that DC thug freighted you,
[your grasp of the english language is horrible. ps: i wasn’t the one who was mugged, dumbass.]
writing things like this,wait until a thousand journalists descend in front of your place of residence and work to interview you about your alleged cheering of spousal abuse.
[try reading for comprehension.]
They will link the above quote with a violent incident involving a woman.
[chiclet, you are the stupidest fucking cunt in the world. you sound like a televangelist who wants to blame TV for acts of fornication and violence.]
Nearly EVERY woman — even upper class and educated women — has buried in the recesses of her feminine mystique a vulnerable center that will yield entirely and gratefully to a violent alpha male who will hit her Again keep believing this crap. You are missing the traffic drive from the how to spot a s*ut post huh?
[i ask again: why do so many women go back to their abusive lovers? why is rihanna dreaming of being back in chris brown’s arms not days after he fucked up her face?]
Try beating a woman from Detroit and tell me about the facial scar she gives you.
[that’s not my scene, bitch. ps: chiclet i’m going to ban you if you go all full spectrum aspergery on me again, so you’ve been warned. try not to let your lack of reading comprehension clog up the comments with your shitstream of inanity.]
Is Lorena Bobbitt still in jail?
Why are women so poor at reading comprehension?
I didn’t say a woman who commits assault with a deadly weapon won’t go to jail. I said that there’s no stigma – this is an exaggeration, but there is little stigma – against women who threatens it.
I don’t think it is alpha at all. Real alphas contend with other men over various resources. If you are fighting with a woman, you are doing something wrong, and you have already lost control over the situation. If you have to hit her, that is a sign that you lack the effective means to control her in any other way, except a method which is both hazardous to her, and your own freedom. Not very smart. Or alpha.
There seems to be a lot of people upset by this.
“Alpha” is not an inherently good or bad moral state of being.
[roissy: correct.]
It is merely the essence of sexual attractiveness a man has in relation to women.
[well said. everyone should take note of this.]
A beta can beat a woman just as badly as an alpha. Hell, it’s the Omega that turns into the lunatic loner that shoots up a college campus like Virginia Tech.
There is no “be an asshole to women and beat them up” step towards becoming an alpha male.
[it’s not necessary, but the evidence suggests, sadly, that it does work to turn women on and make them devoted lovers. of course, it is one method of many.]
A man beating up a woman does not make him an alpha…but that’s not mutually exclusive.
[there is a correlation between abusive men and alphas, insofar as abusers tend to have loyal, loving GFs who refuse to leave them despite their violent tempers.]
An alpha beating up on a woman doesn’t make him less alpha or more alpha – it just makes him an abusive person that cannot control his temper.
[men who strike women might be doing it out of beta insecurity, or they might be genuine alphas doing what comes naturally. nonetheless, the very act of turning thug on a woman, as evidenced by the generally held observation that women of abusers continue to love and stay with their tormentors, shows us that violent men are a turn-on for a lot of women, even those who would like to believe otherwise about their gender.]
I always thought alpha on this blog was a function of obtaining the most amount of pussy, on the best terms possible, with the least amount of effort. By that function, Chris Brown’s alpha status has diminished.
Women’s attraction for him won’t wane all that much, but that has much much more to do with his being a huge star rather than the added sexuality of his beating Rihanna.
but a mans physical well being under the laws of america is always in jeapardy once he gets married and has kids. His physical well being is now at the mercy of a woman. Well being being his pockets will be empty of money.
Yea Sa I do have an issue with things being called “equal” but in reality the playing field is a cliff with men at the bottom.
all these people who say brown is not alpha because he is not nice or did something ungentlemanlike…ALPHA MALE AND GENTLEMAN ARE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME THING! Sometimes the gentlemanly thing to do in a situation is not always the most alpha thing to do.
Look at true primal alpha dudes like genghis khan for example. undeniably alpha, and you can bet he personally beat and killed a ton of men and strongarmed the shit out of women too. if it came out that he hit a lot of women, would you guys seriously try to deny he’s alpha. bitch please.
Oh, roissy, I think you’re mistaken about which gender has it really within its own inner nature to get slapped around and abused. You men want to be played around by the whores, the liars, to have your life’s money ripped away from you, to raise someone else’s kids and to be worshipping the ground the bitch walks on. You yourself said how easy life was because of how the rest of men just enjoyed being abused in just oh-how-many-ways: you yourself said you’re the exception to the beta i-want-to-be-abused rule. Yeah, sure, chicks will “love” them still but guys don’t even go the step of picking up the phone to get the police to help them. You showcased the very example of men’s “true inner nature” by the guy who had THE BITCH TRY TO ACTUALLY KILL HIM, and he still “loved” her.
[roissy: i never claimed there aren’t the equivalent masochists among men. but the numbers of women who fall in love with phsycially abusive men far exceeds the numbers of men who stay with sociopathic killer women. there is a gender difference in this matter.]
If you need this kind of shit to brainwash yourself into not being afraid of women,
[accepting the truth is not the same as brainwashing oneself.]
then maybe you people should just give up on being alpha; do you really have it in you? Will you just end up in jail (probably with rape charges), thinking exerting dominance and being a berserk dealer of indiscriminate pain is the same thing?
They’re women: soft, cuddly, pretty, shallow, giggly, fickle, stupid especially when hormonal, clever, cautious, playful, confused, greedy, slutty, virginal, innocent and a whole lot of other adjectives. I don’t think I’ll know what it’s like to be a guy and be afraid of rejection. But one thing I know is that making yourself believe they want disfiguring bruises and abuse in order to finally get yourself to disrespect them (euphemism for being NOT AFRAID of those cuddly things) is too far.
[more to the point: it’s not about believing that women want bruises, it’s about accepting that women have feral base natures that will lead men to the path of adopting the proper attitude in their dealings with women — namely, the attitude of not investing too much of their ego into any one woman, because they don’t deserve it until proven otherwise.]
SFG:
“I’ve always wondered if BDSM is a SWPL excuse for the old Heathcliff fantasy of the violent, domineering man. “I’m not a submissive tool of the patriarchy, I’m an empowered feminist who enjoys kinky sex!””
That is EXACTLY what that’s all about. Cognitive dissonance. As bad as anti-racists living in Portland.
As for wife-beaters, you can smell them coming half a mile away.
Most women have the sense to steer clear– whatever sexual magnetism a wife-beater has is generally overridden by his telltale odor of lunacy.
Always a tradeoff– security versus libido. Which do you crave more? Most women seek varying degrees of both in a partner, not a flat-rate package of either/or.
But there are indeed some women whose inner little girl got damaged somewhere in shipping, and they will seek these sadistic freakshows out like a bitch in heat.
But to assume that the endless flow of victims enjoyed by your average wife-beater is an accurate representation of the entire sex seems as stupid as assuming that all women seek nothing but money in a man.
Tupac Chopra
I can’t wait until Chic Noir comes around and blows a fuse.
Or ten
HA
Tupac, I should learn to be like you. When they start the garbage about Hispanics you keep your cool. For some reason, I freighted by the idea that some guys really buy some of this garbage Roissy posts.
I feel that I must comment to bring some sanity to the issues but I starting to see that I’m just wasting my time. I think I may stop posting here and find another blog to learn stuff about men. This place has become a cesspool of missognogy(tp), racism and classicism.
DF
Jay-Z was long rumored to have used a beatdown “firm” hand with Beyonce when they were dating
You are a got damn lie. Beyonce’s parents have more control over her than JayZ can ever stand to have. Furthermore, she is known to be the classy type.
[roissy: would it kill you a little on the inside to find out the rumor was true? heh.]
PA
Keep in mind that Roissy is not endorsing violence against anyone but merely explaining what it is that makes women like Rianna stick with someone like Chris Brown
PA All he’s doing is exposing their nature so that guys aren’t intimidated from approaching them.
PA
This territory was covered by Camille Paglia 15 years ago, by the way
PA, I hope you are spending as much time with your pregnant wife(3rd trimester) as you are protecting this sick shit. I hope you have a girl.
[roissy: and now your true colors show itself. you are a bitch of low character. hey chiclet… GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU FILTHY FUCKING CUNT. hope that hurt.]
[…] land drive this home. First, a profoundly vile and disguisting post from Roissy. That shithead makes the following claims: 1) It is “alpha” (where alphaness is a form of goodness) to beat up your girlfriend, […]
Chic, what is it you’re so mad about? Do you disagree with Roissy that women are attracted to abusers or do you just not like what he said?
Roissy claims that the refusal of domestic violence victims to speak to the cops reveals that women like being beaten. That is such utter idiocy and dangerous drivel that it makes me practically dizzy to see that someone wrote it. Victims of violence refuse to speak to the cops because they are SCARED OF THE PERSON WHO IS BEATING THEM. Victims of mafia shakedowns often also refuse to speak to the cops. Are we thereby licensed to conclude that victims of mafia shakedowns like extortion? Come-fucking-on.
Also, Roissy, can you google “stockholm syndrome” for me?
I have worked with victims of domestic violence, and been close to them. You cannot even imagine the psychological fuckedupness that such victims go through unless you have done so, or have been a victim yourself, or have very seriously studied the phenomenon.
Now all those who are “outraged” and “disgusted” are finally here. You just couldn’t help yourselves, could you? Hysterical.
Paul, how do you account for the women who exchange one beater for another?
Shacking up with such a vicious headcase *once* could be chalked up to random bad luck, but one does sometimes meet women who’ve had multiple abusive relationships.
I’ve met a few– I think of it as being almost like a sexual orientation. They can probably change their behavior with sufficient willpower and self-awareness, but the underlying desire seems never to evaporate.
Chris Brown grew up watching his mom get beat by his step-dad and he went on to model that behavior.
Anyone who thinks this is ‘alpha’ probably had a pretty fucked up upbringing themselves, if not as a victim of violence, then one of neglect or institutionalization.
Seek counseling.
From Zora Neale Hurston’s “Their Eyes Were Watching God”
“Before the week was over he had whipped Janie. Not because her behavior justified his jealousy, but it relieved the awful fear inside of him. Being able to whip her reassured him in possession. No brutal beating at all. He slapped her around a bit to show he was boss. Everybody talked about it the next day in the fields. It aroused a sort of envy in both men and women. The way he petted and pampered her as if those two or three face slaps nearly killed her made the women see visions and the helpless way she hung on him made men dream dreams”
I think this passage really captures the interrelation between violence and emotional attachment. Discuss.
[roissy: it’s definitely onto something. it taps into women’s deepest desire to feel like a worthy man’s possession.]
Zora Neale Hurston was honest enough to describe the pleasures of a decent whipping, why can’t the women here follow suit?
[roissy: i never claimed there aren’t the equivalent masochists among men. but the numbers of women who fall in love with phsycially abusive men far exceeds the numbers of men who stay with sociopathic killer women. there is a gender difference in this matter.]
This is the wrong comparison. The real comparison is how many *really* stay with men after the man becomes violence VS how many stay. You say before that they become “loving and loyal.” How about the numbers that don’t. Prove it. Otherwise, it doesn’t mean crap except that you just like to vomit your own opinion.
This is not a racial thing, read Dalrymple’s Life at the Bottom, where he talks about how his educated, professional nurses as well as his patients, prefer abusive men, who beat them, often humiliatingly in public (he describes one such incident with one of his nurses). One cannot imagine the pain and humiliation that causes.
Yet these women, patients and nurses, keep coming back, over, and over, and over again. If not to that man, one just like him. Dalrymple observes they say they find kind, decent, stable men “boring” and only leave the violent abusers, when they age. He does not say it, but age past menopause.
Women clearly dislike being abused. They do not like violence, pain, humiliation, and degradation. They have never liked this.
BUT … what has changed over time, and Dalyrmple does address this in part (he’s too old to really understand the generational shift) is that women overestimate their control over these guys, deceiving themselves over and over and over again (he gives specific examples) so they can get their fill of testosterone fueled dominance and aggression.
They CHOOSE these guys, over and over and over again, because they can AFFORD TO. They have their own income, the welfare state adds to it, and allows them to indulge their testosterone cravings. They pay for it, with a life of abuse, but they find it worth it. They seek out these guys who have as Dalyrmple notes, violence written all over their faces (like tattoos on their foreheads saying “F— Off”).
It is NOT only Black women who do this, btw. Most of the people Dalrymple describes are White, and in the US you can see it with Vampires.
Women love vampire figures. Buffy the Vampire Slayer features one character, “Spike” who violently rapes Buffy, and her character (much to the disgust of actress Sarah Michelle Gellar) falls in love with him. [It’s worth noting that Gellar herself married a fairly “beta” and easygoing type like Prinze Jr., by all accounts with a fairly low ego by Hollywood actor terms.] After that incident, the “Spike” character got over even greater with the female audience who loved him more, and blamed the title character for her own rape. Indeed the female writers and show-runner loved the whole thing and found it romantic and sexy. The other vampire boyfriend kills a bunch of people, including her mentor’s girlfriend, rather sadistically, and she still loves him. Because of his violence and danger. She dumps her nice-guy military boyfriend because he’s not dark and dangerous.
Then there is the Twilight series, beloved of White Teen Girls, where the “dreamy” male character is portrayed as ultra-violent, and indeed brutally kills a couple of characters in front of her. The Anita Blake series features a professional woman who falls for a violent, dangerous vampire precisely because he kills lots of people. The female-skewing “Rescue Me” about post-9/11 Firefighters shown as villains not heroes, has the lead character played by Denis Leary rape his ex-wife, and women LOVED it and the character even more.
Heck Dracula is all about a dangerous, violent, dominating, sexy guy who comes in and takes women whenever he wants, away from other men. He’s a favorite of women since the novel came out in the 1890’s.
All these works have a broad appeal to a mostly middle class, White Female audience, who thrill at least vicariously to the violence and the believed control that the female characters exert at least sometimes over the violent male.
Given all that, I don’t think Chris Brown, who I had never heard of before this, will suffer anything to his career. Indeed, he’s probably going to find a whole new, White female audience, given that response above.
Caveat: massive economic insecurity, disruptions, uncertainty, loss of women’s earnings and economic independence can skew behavior and values back to earlier views about men, that on the whole violence was neither sexy nor exciting but simply too dangerous to mess with.
Caveat 2: Alpha men for women are those who dominate other men socially, think Chris Brown, Snoop Dogg, Hugh Hefner. Alpha men for men are those who provide patronage networks, think Bill Walsh, Tony Dungee, George Washington, Ike, Steven Spielberg. During extreme economic uncertainty women hedge their bets by moving towards male-type Alphas with the patronage safety net instead of the female-type Alphas of social dominance.
meant stay versus leave stat in 2 para, 2nd sent
omw: First, I think it’s somewhat of a myth that there are lots of women who do exchange one beater for another. Second, there are lots of explanations other than “she likes it.”
[roissy: unlike i imagine a lot of the commenters here, i have personally known women who were with abusive men. i can assure you, these women were deeply in love with their men. the kind of love that clouds a woman’s eyes over so that when you are speaking to her about her lover she seems off somewhere far away, happily gliding into a nirvana sprung from the depths of her heart.]
Perhaps she meets men through activities that draw beaters (drunken nascar races, whatever).
[nascar? you write like a froo froo SWPLer.]
Perhaps she has really low self-esteem, and so doesn’t realize that she can do better.
[this is true of all women, to a lesser or greater degree.]
Perhaps she really can’t do better.
[or perhaps she loves him enough to want to stay. many of these abused women are staying with men well below them based on conventionally objective measures of partner worth. key word: conventionally.]
Perhaps she’s attracted to traits that correlate with being a beater.
[physical abuse from a lover does seem to trigger a primitive mechanism in women that cause them to become ever more entranced with the man. is it the punches themselves, or the man behind the punches? i’m afraid that is a distinction without a difference.]
chic noir:
“Furthermore, she is known to be the classy type.”
—Hilarious. She skanks around with a lowlife p.o.s. who promotes degenerancy amd brutality and uncivilized/antisocial behavior. But she’s classy, right. Birds fo a feather, bitch…
Paul Gowder:
“can you google “stockholm syndrome” for me?”
—Don’t you just love when the feminists and their beta boys describe anything natural as a “disease” or a “syndrome”?
Stockholm syndrome is nothing more than people discovering that kidnappers have a rationale behind their actions. We bond with people, get over it.
And those mafia types? Most believe their local underworld helps them far more than it hurts them. Keeps outsiders out, enforces rough justice people crave (re: rapists slaughtered, petty violence removed).
Most importantly, paying a local mafia boss not to break your legs once a month is not the same as giving up sex every night to a boyfriend. Leave the house, woman.
When you’ve run into abused women like I have, you realize the “poor poor innocent afraid me” act is just that: an act. They loved their alpha beating males. Witness thsi slut running back to Brown.
Screw her.
Hurston died penniless and alone in an anonymous hovel, cleaning toilets for The Man.
Seeking Alpha:
“Chic, what is it you’re so mad about? Do you disagree with Roissy that women are attracted to abusers or do you just not like what he said?”
Saying that women are attracted to abusers is different from saying women who are abused stay with their abuser.
If women in general hear that a man is abusive he will immediately earn their scorn.
for those who might be wondering why i chose the handle “roissy”, the following quote — inspired by this post — will reveal all:
i should add that O was speaking of her lover, the man who watched her mercilessly raped and tortured at chateau roissy. a fate, i might add, to which O willingly acceded. rumor has it the book is based on a true story.
So?
that was to omw btw
“Perhaps she’s attracted to traits that correlate with being a beater.”
I do agree with this. Like I said, beaters aren’t THAT hard to sniff out ahead of time, most of the time.
Probably some of the refusal to turn in a beater comes from embarrassment, too– if your mom and your sister and all your friends have been screaming at you since the day you met Him that “HE’S A JERK!” while you screamed back that “YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND HIM!” then your pride is going to hurt more than your fat lip.
Looks like the guy did hold back though. She has some blood on lips bout it. Not like her eye is hanging off her cheek. She took a small beating. He didn’t disfigure her. I think the nose probably already looked like that. She probably went crazy on him when she found number then found out no matter how much a woman works out they cannot beat down a man with there bare hands. Looks like she got put in check by a lover not a street beatdown by someone who hates her or what another woman would do to her that would get the advantage in a fight.
The Slap has stolen more than that! It has taken her very soul from her! Just like cameras do to primitive tribesmen!
I don’t think it is alpha at all. Real alphas contend with other men over various resources.
On the other hand, alpha’s should do whatever they want to other men.
Lol, joe, I’m just saying, Zora’s brand of honesty got her precisely nothing except a vastly overblown postmortem literary reputation.
The life of a successful woman requires at least a little subterfuge.
“Then there is the Twilight series, beloved of White Teen Girls, where the “dreamy” male character is portrayed as ultra-violent, and indeed brutally kills a couple of characters in front of her.”
Whiskey, you’re off on that.
The head vampire was violent, but only in protection of his woman. He was nothing but kind to hear, even restraining himself from drinking her blood even though she was the most tempting creature he had ever laid eyes on. Twilight tries to be a tale of morality and upholds the Vampires that pose the least threat to humans.
“Given all that, I don’t think Chris Brown, who I had never heard of before this, will suffer anything to his career. Indeed, he’s probably going to find a whole new, White female audience, given that response above.”
I mentioned Ike Turner earlier. What happened to his career after Tina Turner parted ways with him? Granted she hung around for a lot of his abuse, but I’m only concerned with the impact on careers. Ike was a musical genius, but he was villified and his career suffered for it. There’s no question about it.
[roissy: true, but how much has the culture changed since ike and tina’s time? it’ll be interesting to see how the rihanna saga plays out. i predict, and initial reports from the field confirm, that an uncomfortable number of women are inexplicably rallying around brown.]
“First, I think it’s somewhat of a myth that there are lots of women who do exchange one beater for another.”
No it ain’t:
http://www.uwstout.edu/rs/2007/Abusive%20Relationships.pdf
“According to Hilbert and Hilbert (1984) and Strube (1998), an estimated half of women who have been involved in an abusive relationship will at some point return to the batterer (as cited in Martin, Berenson, Griffing, Sage, Madry, Bingham, & Primm, 2000)”
I’d consider 50% a pretty good amount.
“Perhaps she meets men through activities that draw beaters (drunken nascar races, whatever). ”
Rap concerts?
Chris Brown grew up watching his mom get beat by his step-dad and he went on to model that behavior.
Anyone who thinks this is ‘alpha’ probably had a pretty fucked up upbringing themselves, if not as a victim of violence, then one of neglect or institutionalization.
Seek counseling.
there’s a difference between saying something is “alpha” and saying something is “good.” not everything “alpha” is necessarily “good for society.” so by pointing out some behavior is bad, you have no magically proven that it is not alpha. be honest, who is easier to imagine beating a chick, an alpha male or a beta male?
back in the day before civilized society, alpha males killed their rivals without hesitation and strongarmed and bullied men and women around them. these are alphas in their purest form. is it nice? no. is it good for modern peaceful society? no, which is why modern society discourages it. is it pure alpha? yes. should we model it? no. some pure alpha traits must be sacrificed for the benefit of a healthy and safe society. but stop saying that because something is not nice or is cruel, it is somehow not alpha.
also, so chris brown is modeling his step-dad’s behavior. fine. how the fuck does that prove he is not alpha? alphas can’t learn their behavior via modeling or something? his dad was an alpha who beat his mom, he modeled it. there you go.
I know you’re aware men can be masochistic too, I was just using it to illustrate my point about the way you were phrasing things; you’ve clarified and I can agree with you. Women have underlying ‘feral base natures’ and I can agree with you. Noone deserves anything invested in them until proven otherwise.
What got me was emphasising and exaggerating hyperbolically in order to deliberately paint these women as wanting it, that was what I called brainwashing. Yes, women don’t deserve an ego investment when you first meet them. No, they do not want you to beat them to death. Right conclusion but wrong hyperbole to convince yourself of it.
I’m also saying that there’s more subtle methods than physical abuse and that’s what women should be the masters at. I’m wondering if there ARE more sociopathic killer women, would the figures even out?
I reckon you men need a ‘take back the night’ type thing. ‘Take back the penis’? (All too literally in some cases, you poor poor people)
Confession time: I fantasised of cutting off my ex’s penis. It’s just amazing, I didn’t think I had that kind of hate in me. What’s the equivalent thought for guys so that I can actually realistically feel the horror this sort of confession provokes, instead of guessing at it?
“What’s the equivalent thought for guys so that I can actually realistically feel the horror this sort of confession provokes, instead of guessing at it?”
There isn’t an equivalent. I’d rather be beyond dead than have this happen.
Whiskey (and anyone else), here’s the article by Dalrymple that was collected in Life at the Bottom, about women patients of his always returning to violent low-lifes:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_1_oh_to_be.html
It’s an interesting read, like most of his articles.
I liken women returning to their abusers or other abusers to men who commit crime in order to return to jail. Why do they do this? Because they know what they’re getting. Despite the insanity and depravity of it all, people prefer to know what they are getting rather than the unknown. To a woman, at least they know they’re getting abused instead of having to be wary of a man’s intentions. Likewise, a man may be more comfortable in prison because there’s nowhere lower for him to go. He has his friends, his meals, his shelter, and his routine.
I’m still on a Warren Farrell kick, reading “The Myth of Male Power.” In it he makes the salient statement that women, because they are now surrounded by men whose intentions they are not sure of, will choose a man whose intentions are genuine. Being genuine, in today’s society, is not PC, therefore the men they choose are, by society’s standards, jerks etc. To a woman who is already skeptical (through prior abuse or whatever) of a man’s motives, the only genuine alternative is the man who abuses them.
bhetti
Thats probably a female thing to want to take away what makes a man a man. I don’t believe most guys would come to a conclusion to cut off a woman’s sexual parts as part of a dream to get back at ex. Maybe kill said ex then themselves to go and talk to god about it. Letting god be the intermediary between the two. So the guy can try and figure out wtf happened to his life.
Now all those who are “outraged” and “disgusted” are finally here. You just couldn’t help yourselves, could you? Hysterical.
“I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”
“You’re winnings, sir.”
I typed in wife kills husband in search up comes paid ad on how to get your ex back lol
But yea lots of woman killing men.
Heh, whiskey, you have crossed into the dark and dangerous realms of one of my favourite subjects: romance novels.
I love alphas and I will admit it, and I will sing it to the skies etc. I am addicted to this blog after all.
However: Edward creeped me out. BUT, a lot of chicks dig him. I will not touch the Anita Blake series due to er… well, a bad reputation so I can’t comment on that. When I read Dracula, Dracula was this old freaky dude. If I had to say which guy I liked, it was the American one, first in with the action.
Romance novels are by women written for women, and they capitalise on attraction. The women who write this HAVE to be honest about their desires or they won’t succeed all that well. There was a time historically when it was often that rape scenes were included, and the heroine fell in love subsequently with her tormentor. Needless to say, it was a highly romanticised version of rape playing to the fantasies of women who were taught to view sexuality as something sinful (it’s not my fault if someone MAKES me do it and I enjoy it, is it?). These scenes have been phased out; they were based on religious and sexual guilt.
There is a hell of a lot of debate within the romance sphere about ‘alpha’ heroes and which are they, and so on. Currently, the most successful stories involve a) a FIGHT for dominance in some way between the protagonists b) the man winning this fight and proving his mastery somehow. There are exceptions, although successful ones seem to remain holding his own at worst. There aren’t really submissive guys that I know of in mainstream romantic fiction.
Do not confuse the media portrayals for reality. What the media’s history and abuse stories tell you is the following: in terms of female attraction, it is better to err on the side of being a jerk than on being a beta. That doesn’t mean you aren’t comitting an error.
To all you beta mos out there:
Would you consider it beta to beat up a male who is weaker than you? No. Then why the fuck is it beta to beat up a woman that is weaker than you?
Beating someone else is usually unwarranted, but that shit ain’t beta.
Not even a masectomy?
Thats what already made men and woman equal if it got to bad the woman always has access to the man when he is sleeping.
Pupu suspects that people, men or women, who have grown up with abusive parents, are prone to become abusers or recipients of abuse in their adulthood. Tolerance for abuse — physical, verbal or psychological — can be built up over time. When abuse comes from the parents, a false connection between love and abuse may be established in one’s brain distorting his/her expectation of future relationships. People growing up with one type of abuse may learn to avoid that type in the future but substitute it with a different kind. It is possible, if not likely, that, like alcohol, abuse in a lower dose can be stimulating and reassuring without being damaging for a relationship — it creates a predictable pattern that signals a close relationship. The trouble comes when it goes out of control.
In a moment of robotic fantasizing, Pupu wonders whether the addiction to abuse can be “cured” in a similar way that Chantix is helping smokers quit smoking. Here is how it goes, if what the brain craves for is an emotional roller coaster of provoking the partner-receiving the abuse-reconciliation, a drug may be developed to mimic the chemical discharge in one’s brain. A patient can take the drug instead of going through the cycle in life.
sparks: LOL.
paul gowder wrote:
Roissy claims that the refusal of domestic violence victims to speak to the cops reveals that women like being beaten.
i never wrote that women LIKE being beaten. naturally, if you ask a woman, she will say “no way i don’t want to be beaten!”.
what i did claim is that despite a woman’s conscious feelings towards abusers, her loins and her heart melt for men who abuse them, as can be seen by not only their return trips to the poisoned well, but by their very REAL and GENUINE love for their violently abusive lovers. i believe this is an ingrained hindbrain preference of women that refuses to toe the proper PC line.
now whether this innate preference is a misfiring of the female brain’s coding for dominant men, or simply an extreme example of such a preference that lies along a spectrum of lust for men possessing varying degrees of dominance is open for discussion.
That is such utter idiocy and dangerous drivel that it makes me practically dizzy to see that someone wrote it.
were you, by any chance, in the audience when larry summers was giving his speech about innate male female differences for aptitude in math?
Victims of violence refuse to speak to the cops because they are SCARED OF THE PERSON WHO IS BEATING THEM.
do women go back to their muggers to be mugged again?
do women go back to their rapists for another round?
do women return to their stalker beta ex-husbands who threaten retaliation?
look, this line of reasoning has too many holes. it’s not complicated for a woman to find shelter somewhere else than under the same roof as an abuser. what you can’t face is the idea that these women may be going back to their abusers BECAUSE THEY LOVE THEM.
because they are DRAWN to them.
Victims of mafia shakedowns often also refuse to speak to the cops. Are we thereby licensed to conclude that victims of mafia shakedowns like extortion? Come-fucking-on.
abuse is a crime of passion. mafia hits are a crime of planning and forethought. one is much scarier than the other for the majority of people. you can’t escape a mafia operation like you can an abusive lover. nor can you protect yourself in the same way from mafia hitmen. nor will police have as firm a handle on the mafia as they would on a clearly defined domestic abuse scenario.
Also, Roissy, can you google “stockholm syndrome” for me?
do your own fucking dirty work.
I have worked with victims of domestic violence, and been close to them. You cannot even imagine the psychological fuckedupness that such victims go through unless you have done so, or have been a victim yourself, or have very seriously studied the phenomenon.
i’ve known women who stayed with abusive lovers. one thing you learn from experience is how to read between the psychological lines.
If slapping a woman around is Alpha, then is raping a woman also Alpha?
I’m not being a smart ass. I really want to know what Roissy and co. think about this.
[roissy: good question. according to my definition of the alpha male — a man who is attractive to many high quality women — a rapist would not necessarily be alpha by dint of his violent efforts to score pussy. i’d say rapists, like non-rapists, fall along a continuum from omega to alpha, weighted toward the loser end of the scale.]
Chris Brown Is Alpha
No.
Not putting up with a woman’s nonsense is Alpha, going overboard and spazzing out on her is wounded Beta.
It’s like Michael Richards calling out the black loud mouths during his comedy set.
It’s Alpha to not put up with their shit, drop some n-bombs on them and let ‘em know that massa aint amused that they’re showing off for their girlies.
But it’s wounded Beta to get too emotional about it.
Alpha is dominant but without coming up from the lower brain.
Alpha is like Cesar Milan the Dog Whisperer dealing his client’s dogs.
Alpha men are Human Whisperers.
Chris Brown is a beta bitch boy.
[roissy: willard, while i don’t disagree with the criteria by which you define the alpha male, your definitions do not preclude the possibility that one characteristic in particular of alpha males is the ease with which such a man would resort to violence. an uncomfortable fact of life is that betas are the least likely to turn to violence, while a certain subset of alphas naturally turns to violence to solve problems. chris brown may not be the IDEAL ALPHA but he is an alpha in comparison to the average man. though by the looks of the backstory coming in, jay-z is a bigger alpha than brown.]
Pupu:
In a moment of robotic fantasizing,
Hee!
Pupu wonders whether the addiction to abuse can be “cured” in a similar way that Chantix is helping smokers quit smoking. Here is how it goes, if what the brain craves for is an emotional roller coaster of provoking the partner-receiving the abuse-reconciliation, a drug may be developed to mimic the chemical discharge in one’s brain.
Better to extinguish the original trauma.
D-Cycloserine
MDMA
Ibogaine
roissy:
were you, by any chance, in the audience when larry summers was giving his speech about innate male female differences for aptitude in math?
Heh
you write like a froo froo SWPLer.
Clearly, such a skilled Game(tm)sman as you knows that flattery will get you everywhere.
Violence in an intimate relationship is different than violence with strangers. Children/teenagers who are abused by their parents still love them, often refuse to testify against them, and will try to go be with them. Men often stay with with women that abuse them as well. If you are psychologically wounded, then the abuse feels like an expression of love to the abused. A way to know that the abuser is still emotionally involved. Doesn’t make it alpha, or beta, or anything really. Just a fucked-up dynamic between people.
That article references a very specific type of woman. I do a placement in child psychiatry and its pretty much every single kid with horrible family instability/abuse/etc.
“A woman jailed for life for stabbing her de facto husband 37 times, skinning him and cooking his body parts as a meal for his children has lost an appeal against the severity of her sentence.
Knight stabbed 44-year-old Mr Price 37 times with a butcher’s knife before skinning him and hanging his hide from a meat hook in their lounge room on February 29, 2000.
She then decapitated him and put his head in a pot on the stove, baked flesh from his buttocks and cooked vegetables and gravy as side dishes to serve to Mr Price’s children.”
Yea umm holi crap. Guess woman not necesarily Sugar spice and everything nice. Maybe we need more male support groups paul. But then you probably would not get that much female attention from a group of males in your group eh. Whats the real reason you do what you do?
(AP) The woman convicted of manslaughter in the shotgun slaying of her minister husband was freed Tuesday after serving 67 days in custody.
Mary Winkler was released from a mental health facility where she had been undergoing treatment for about two months, defense attorney Steve Farese Sr. said. He has declined to identify the facility where Winkler was held.
Winkler, 33, was convicted of voluntary manslaughter in the 2006 shotgun slaying of her husband, Matthew, at the Church of Christ parsonage in Selmer, where the couple lived with their three young daughters.
She was charged with first-degree murder, but jurors convicted her of the lesser charge after she testified that her husband abused her and demanded sex she considered unnatural.
Winkler was sentenced June 8 to three years in prison but had to serve only 67 days — 12 in jail and the rest in the mental health facility — because of credit for time in jail before her trial, the nature of the offense and lack of a criminal record. The remainder of her term will be spent on probation.
Woman kills minister husband. hmm
She shot him in the back. and 67 days in jail lol
what i did claim is that despite a woman’s conscious feelings towards abusers, her loins and her heart melt for men who abuse them, as can be seen by not only their return trips to the poisoned well, but by their very REAL and GENUINE love for their violently abusive lovers.
But are women sticking with these men because they get off on abuse, or are these guys just so alpha that they can get away with such behavior?
[roissy: probably both dynamics are in play.]
A beta who suddenly smacks around his girlfriend when she starts giving him shit is just going to be slapped with a restraining order.
[yeah, i’ve written about this before. a natural born beta will not be able to get away with as much as a confirmed alpha. however, it remains in the realm of conjecture whether a beta who suddenly turns thug life would be slapped with a restraining order or find himself the recipient of additional blowjobs, simply because so few betas change their stripes in such a way. i suspect that if a beta slowly accustoms his lover to physical abuse he will more readily be forgiven and loved than a beta who snaps and unloads a crazytime beatdown out of the blue.]
@Anonymous 6:00
strength and the willingness to use it do not automatically equal alpha, per Roissy http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/
A woman stabbed her partner in a row over Bruce Springsteen.
The Australian woman killed her civil law husband because she was tired of being bossed around and said an argument over Bruce Springsteen was the last straw.
Karen Lee Cooper has pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to eight years in prison for killing partner Kevin Watson in a drunken argument at their home in northeastern Queensland state in July 2006.
So yea woman have been equally able to kill there partner for a long time. So why all the extra money for womans programs and abuse shelters. Obviously men need shelters too.
“I’m also saying that there’s more subtle methods than physical abuse and that’s what women should be the masters at. I’m wondering if there ARE more sociopathic killer women, would the figures even out?”
I’m pretty sure there are plenty of them, and they’re rarely caught, as they are clever enough to do things like poison their husbands.
If any of you are familiar with Jim Goad’s beat down of his Nancy Spungen-like ex wife and girlfriend … it’s good to hear the other side once in a while.
http://www.nypress.com/article-6057-jim-goad-is-a-bad-man.html
strength and the willingness to use it do not automatically equal alpha, per Roissy http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/
i just read the post. it says strength and willingness to use it alone are not automatically alpha. you also have to have women want to fuck you. the strength and willingness to use it has to be a means to an end, and that end is getting women to want to fuck the hell out of you.
well guess what? TONS of women want to fuck chris brown, just like tons of women wanted to fuck genghis khan. so by the definition of that post you just showed me, you’ve supported my point even more. also, nowhere in the post did it say that alphas automatically do what is morally right or always show restraint and good character. nothing in that post supports your argument or refutes mine.
It is interesting how these kinds of revelations result in hysteria. You know, I think half the reason women enjoy the concept of a physically combative sexual relationship is that it creates exactly the kind of drama that empowers them.
Men have an unquestionable lust for war, which is about struggle between groups of men for dominance, yet women, too, have their own penchant for violence and dominance. A woman’s most powerful asset is her ability to harness the destructive power of men, and if she can provoke a man to physical violence it is often a deeply pleasurable experience for her.
This tendency is immortalized in the Norse sagas in this Icelandic proverb:
“eru köld kvenna ráð”
“Cold is the counsel of woman.”
This quote follows a woman’s demands that a man who had insulted her honor be killed.
A violent man is a tool of women, and therefore a good mate. If he doesn’t kill her, she is empowered. This, I think, is the evolutionary explanation for attraction to men who have a tendency to lash out with physical force. The enraged man is an extension of her own power, so it is not so much submission that motivates her desire, but rather the power to inflict damage. To possess a dangerous man is the feminine equivalent of male bloodlust.
Over and over we read about the likes of Cleopatra and Helen of Troy, yet men are foolish enough to ignore received wisdom. The continued effeminacy of American men will eventually be the ruin of American women, as there will eventually be nobody left to fight for them. I welcome such an outcome, as there is no reason to fight for a woman who offers nothing but treachery in return.
This was Homer’s lesson, and it stands today.
Something to keep firmly in mind —
There was a NYT(?) article posted here a week or so ago regarding research into men and women’s sexuality. You know, the type where they slide dildometers into the Vag and measure the juice.
One bizarro aspect of female sexuality was that the women evinced sexual response to the widest array of possible stimuli: women doing yoga, gay monkey sex, seal-clubbing, you name it. In most of these instances the women themselves were largely unaware – on the conscious level – of their arousal.
The ensuing debate here between those who insisted women were “lying” about their sexuality vs. those who maintained that the concept of “lying” was really not applicable in these cases pretty much established that, however you wish to characterize it, the fact remains that there is a profound disconnect between what women respond to biologically vs. what they profess.
So, when the issue Roissy raises in this post is discussed, and the usual hand-wringing, fist-shaking suspects hurl howls of execration at him….
…their noises should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.
All he’s doing is exposing their nature so that guys aren’t intimidated from approaching them.
I don’t see what this changes, PA. It just reinforces the entire idea that women are only attracted to alphas, and that beta males are useless.
Dalrymple observes they say they find kind, decent, stable men “boring” and only leave the violent abusers, when they age.
I find kind, decent, stable women to be sexless which only leaves porn stars, strippers, and hot club girls…
can skew behavior and values back to earlier views about men, that on the whole violence was neither sexy nor exciting but simply too dangerous to mess with
Admittedly, the problem is that if a man realizes that beta males are only useful for money, then what’s his incentive to trust any woman who claims to love him?
it’ll be interesting to see how the rihanna saga plays out. i predict, and initial reports from the field confirm, that an uncomfortable number of women are inexplicably rallying around brown.
Anecdote: Non-date was beat up by her ex, and she is not rallying around Chris Brown…
Goad’s redneck manifesto was one of the better books I ever read. It was really fascinating; I don’t know if I got any closer to understanding rural white rage, but I felt like I did.
And if you read closely, he’s an HBD believer. ;)
From an article on the matter:
“Meanwhile, a source has revealed that Rihanna is short-tempered and easily gets into arguments. “She’s got a temper, and she can get right in your face,” the source said. ”
So punching her in the face was his way of shutting her up?
Maybe she thinks she too argumentative?
@Anonymous I didnt say anything about alpha morality or character and you’re trolling to say otherwise.
Not interesting in arguing. My point has been made.
Q. What’s the best thing about beating up Rihanna?
A. You can’t give her a black eye or a fat lip.
“Meanwhile, a source has revealed that Rihanna is short-tempered and easily gets into arguments. “She’s got a temper, and she can get right in your face,” the source said. ”
You hear that, Chic?
Hey Chic, what do you say to a woman who has two black eyes?
i slightly disagree with roissy’s idea of why women like abusers. deeper than just asshole game times 100. the reason women test men so much is that they figure if they as a chick can dominate a man, then he will really be a pushover when faced with another man. so a guy who doesn’t take their shit is likely not to take shit from another man either, meaning he is a good protector. now despite all the pc claims of a wife-beater being some coward that only picks on women but is afraid of facing another man, that really ain’t true. most chicks i know who had abuse lovers claim that those lovers were also violent with other man and just loved to resort to violence in general no matter if the target was male or female. so women know that the guy who is willing to beat her is probably also willing to fight another guy if push comes to shove, and therefore can be a good protector. for some woman, the willingess to beat down is a warped type of shit test.
damn, the moderation bot is off the chain tonight, and I haven’t even used the dreaded O-word. Wuzzupwidat, R?
Not interesting in arguing. My point has been made.
no, you tried to make your point and failed miserably and ended up making mine instead. that’s why you have no interest in arguing further. you know what’s alpha? admitting you lost.
Gentleman woman have us by the nuts and yet they also have all the laws in there favor. Woman are killing millions of men. This shit is wild.
Some woman takes a slap on the lips and it is big news. Holy crap peep game on the net for how many guys are being openly killed by woman and then look at sentences for killing men.
There are no women on death row deluged with marriage proposals from men irregardless of looks and social standing. Women are the biggest followers of “Snapped”, vampire books/movies/miniseries, and other entertainment depicting sociopaths and often psychopathic behavior.
Instead of living in denial modern women need to come to terms with the reality and deal with it. Their refusal to confront their inner lusts explains why they are so frustrated that despite men’s seeming fascination with porn stars, pin-up girls, and even the neighborhood party girls, they have the ability to amuse themselves with such women without destroying themselves by getting hitched to such. Typically a man who will not engage in self-immolation is a target for shaming, hence the derision of men who will not attach themselves to potentially damaged women . I suspect many women are secretly jealous that top-notch men have the ability to side-step their biological drive when it becomes destructive.
OTOH, dude, come on; “beat down game”? It’s so sick that it’s hilarious.
Q. What’s the best thing about beating up Rihanna?
A. You can’t give her a black eye or a fat lip.
except she blatantly has a black eye and a fat lip in the picture.
FAIL.
Rihanna will get tons of sympathy as the victim, but truthfully she was asking for it subconsciously. If she takes him back it’s a testament to the power of hormones. Love ain’t got nothin’ to do with it. A so-called alpha (which I think just means more testosterone as the definition keeps changing here to fit roissy’s whims) is able to get a bigger rise out of a woman’s hormones and therefore create a bigger addiction i.e. a-dick-tion. So what? It’s all animal driven instinct-survival of the species shit that roissy worships beyond all reason or intelligence.
TC, you has a point. I do however believe that a guy who can make me submit to his will without lifting a finger — with just a look or a few well chosen words — is hotter than a dude who can’t even exert control with excessive violence. That is an opinion and I don’t have a thermometer conveniently next to me to measure objectively the difference between the two scenarios for me.
Has? too many lolcats.
And if you read closely, he’s an HBD believer.
no, from what i saw in the book, he seems to think whites are as fucked up as everyone else. hbd people think that an all-white society magically fixes everything because of high iq, regardless of the classes of white involved. goad hates liberals but is a socialist that blames ills on class and says things like “if the niggers and the crackers joined together against the elite, they’d be unstoppable.” he advocates poor blacks and whites joining together to knock down elites in the name of socialism. he criticizes white-run societies and the “good old days.” he claims that only a small fraction of whites are actually responsible for creating civilization and a vast majority were just exploited low class prole laborers who contributed as many “great ideas” to civilization as working class blacks have. does that sound like hbd talk to you? you have reading comprehension problems. just because someone is anti-pc does not automatically make them an hbd believer.
TC, what I do also know is which scenario would result in me more likely not to reach for the sleeping pills… or a weapon.
This one belongs in movie for real.
“Sunday, March 21, 2004 — A 20-year-old Nashville woman was in jail last night, charged with stealing a wheel off her ex-boyfriend’s wheelchair after beating him last summer.
According to the affidavit charging her with aggravated robbery, Michael Gaines was sitting in his wheelchair on Vaughn Street near Fifth Street in east Nashville talking to another woman on June 28, 2003.
His ex-girlfriend, Antoinette Hall, walked up, pushed his wheelchair over and began hitting him.
“She then struck (Gaines) with a whiskey bottle in the head and took his money,” the affidavit says. “She also took one of the wheels off (Gaines’) wheelchair and fled the scene.”
She was booked into custody Friday and being held in Metro Jail in lieu of $75,000 bond. There was no explanation of why the charges against Ms. Hall were so long delayed.”
I guess don’t talk shit in a wheelchair with a woman around.
July 15, 2004 (AP) — A 58-year-old wife who said her disabled husband was about to leave her for another woman has been convicted of murdering him.
Annie Powell drew a life sentence Tuesday for shooting her husband, Eddie, in the neck with a shotgun last summer.
Powell said her husband of 14 years, who used a wheelchair, had threatened to kill her and leave her for another woman.
“What? I’m supposed to let my mind go out of order?” she testified on the witness stand. “I didn’t know what to do.”
The jury that convicted Ms. Powell of first-degree murder decided against choosing the lesser crimes of second-degree murder or voluntary manslaughter, which would have meant the killing was a crime of passion.
is hotter than a dude who can’t even exert control with excessive violence.
what’s interesting, bhetti, is that rihanna is a beautiful girl (despite the post-beatdown photo in my post) who literally could have the pick of the litter in quality men, and yet she can’t help but fly back into the pummeling fists of chris brown.
she has enough of a support network that she could easily extricate chris brown from her life without feeling scared for her safety.
and she’s desirable enough that she could have a man just as alpha as chris brown minus the flying fists.
so, the question is asked: why doesn’t she?
i will tell you: because women fall DEEPER and HARDER in love with men when they have demonstrated some real and genuine alpha behavior, and abuse is one such way of demonstrating that. ONCE a woman has fallen in that kind of unshakeable love, all other men disappear in her eyes, no matter how many options she has on the sexual market.
an alpha male understands this dynamic, and this is why he won’t let the male competition ever crack his impenetrable frame of mind. it is the frame that says “i’m the best she is ever going to get” notwithstanding any evidence to the contrary.
irrational confidence = lots o ladies.
rational defeatism = lots o rosy palm.
except she blatantly has a black eye and a fat lip in the picture.
FAIL
She always looks likes that. She’s black.
Gunslingergreg:
July 15, 2004 (AP) — A 58-year-old wife who said her disabled husband was about to leave her for another woman has been convicted of murdering him.
Annie Powell drew a life sentence Tuesday for shooting her husband, Eddie, in the neck with a shotgun last summer.
Powell said her husband of 14 years, who used a wheelchair, had threatened to kill her and leave her for another woman.
“What? I’m supposed to let my mind go out of order?” she testified on the witness stand. “I didn’t know what to do.”
Wow. Sounds like Sara-esque levels of emotional lability.
commenter psychoanalysis of the day:
chic doesn’t loathe male desire like dizzy and spungen do.
instead, chic loathes her own inner demons.
she fears her sex’s innate weakness, and it is this fear that informs her worldview.
discuss.
She always looks likes that. She’s black.
no she doesn’t. if she always looked like that why would the picture be a big deal everywhere? by your logic people wouldn’t be able to tell the difference, right? since it is a big deal, people obviously do notice the black eyes and fat lip. thus your joke fucking fails and doesn’t work. you’re a fucking retard, you do realize that right? do you? please say you do. it would be the first smart thing you’ve said if you just admit you’re a fucking retarded tool with shit for brains.
rational defeatism = lots o rosy palm
It’s not defeatism, it’s realism!
Men were led to believe that woman don’t do bad shit physically. We were led to believe wrong.
Rihanna, while lovely, is also not Everywoman. And Chris Brown, while surely some sort of alpha in his own social circle, is not Everyman.
Roissy, do you think most guys would actually improve their relationships by occasionally beating their wives? Should PA, in the name of securing alpha status in the eyes of his pregnant wife, give her a shiner?
Should my husband give me a wallop when he gets home and discovers I have spent more time on a pickup artist’s blog than cleaning my kitchen this week?
;) j/k. I’m not really going to tell him that.
But really, do you think most men would do better with the ladies by slapping them a bit?
oh, geez, anonymous, don’t you recognize a silly semi-racist anti-pc joke when you see one?
she fears her sex’s innate weakness
physical weakness in comparison to male brute strength.
yes
chic doesn’t loathe male desire like dizzy and spungen do.
instead, chic loathes her own inner demons.
she fears her sex’s innate weakness, and it is this fear that informs her worldview.
discuss.
Nothing to discuss. That pretty much nails it.
Czar had it right way back when: Chic and Elizabeth should end up having a lezfest.
oh, geez, anonymous, don’t you recognize a silly semi-racist anti-pc joke when you see one?
it’s not the racism i hate, it’s that it just fucking fails when the post blatantly has the chick with two black eyes and a fat lip and a buncha ppl on the thread mention the black eyes. if it was a good racist joke that worked i’d applaud it.
—-oh, geez, anonymous, don’t you recognize a silly semi-racist anti-pc joke when you see one?—
Some people just get themselves worked up over stuff on the internet. You’d think I poked that guy with a sharp stick or something.
“and she’s desirable enough that she could have a man just as alpha as chris brown minus the flying fists.
so, the question is asked: why doesn’t she?”
Besides the fact that Rihanna’s career has taken off since being paired with the highly popular Brown, he has probably convinced her, through physical intimidation and other means, that she’s nothing w/o him. Domestic abuse preys on the woman’s low self worth. In this way it’s easy to see why she has stayed with him through the abuse.
Although, one thing hasn’t been brought up. She obviously reacted to finding out that Brown was getting a booty call. If she was as docile enough to stay with an abusive partner, then why would she call him out on it? It doesn’t add up.
If she was as docile enough to stay with an abusive partner, then why would she call him out on it?
Possibly a shit test of sorts, if she finds out his reaction to her calling him out, she can see how much a man he actually is. But that’s just blind speculation on my part.
“it’s not the racism i hate, it’s that it just fucking fails when the post blatantly has the chick with two black eyes and a fat lip and a buncha ppl on the thread mention the black eyes. if it was a good racist joke that worked i’d applaud it”
Should I have mentioned that broad molasses nose? OK, try this one:
Q. How do you stop 5 black guys from raping a white girl?
A. Throw them a basketball.
Women who are into beaters DO deliberately rile their men up.
I think mostly because the ensuing emotional roller-coaster ride is so thrilling.
Enjoying that ride doesn’t mean the woman is actually docile, though… it’s the way the drama plays out that is so exciting and satisfying.
That being said, though, there are probably a small subset of women who really are subservient to a fault, and who still get beat without the slightest provocation. They seem to really actually be victims to me.
Sometimes they got into those relationships before they were old enough to know any better.
Probably this pool of women would be larger if divorce were more difficult and if women could not support themselves.
chuckBesides the fact that Rihanna’s career has taken off since being paired with the highly popular Brown,
Nope reverse that. Brown has become more mainstream as a result of being with Rihanna.
BTW: Rihanna was attempting to date a few white stars before she struck it up with Chris. First Josh Hartnet then Shia Le Bouf. Hartnet’s publicist told him his fans didn’t approve and le Bouf is an addict.
Fun fact: Rihanna’s skin was digitally lightened in the video she did with Maroon 5. Her eye color was lightened too. The people in the record industry do this because they think it’s the only Black stars can appeal to a white audience. I don’t buy that thought.
Medium and Dark skinned Black stars sold to mixed and white audiences in 60-80’s. The supreme’s anyone…. Janet Jackson, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston,and Jody Watley.
So a major talent like India Irie does not get the same type of packing from her record company that Rihanna(good work ethic but no talent) gets.
Sorry Roissy, the exploitative post is wrong. Completely.
A woman has a bad neuron of spirit to provoke a man. The provocation, should it lead to violence proves that she is in control. And she will revel in the fact that she has created the Frankenstein. She also has a built in mechanism to resent him for failing to be a man and stay in control.
Woman try to provoke men all the time. Any emotional reaction, they win. They all know this and it feeds their desire for resentment (against men/Daddy).
That’s the spiritual disease where it stems from.
Now we weren’t in this situation so we don’t know what occurred leading to this guy’s violence. But we can assume it was either an escalation of provocation or that the guy has no real self-control and reacted violently to what he saw as some provocation.
Bottom line is this guy is a loser. He not only allowed himself to be provoked and responded like Frankenstein, thus surrendering his power, but he may have done so for the most minimal of reasons: being questioned on a text from another woman.
If the woman goes back to this, she has a resentment problem and is feeding the cycle within herself. Being she’s so young, she most likely can’t see that.
But there’s no excuse for him. He’s a beta and a nasty one at that.
If she was as docile enough to stay with an abusive partner, then why would she call him out on it? It doesn’t add up.
your using feminist cliche logic that’s why. feminist cliche logic says only docile weak willed spineless women like abusers. not true, the more feisty and strongwilled a chick, the more likely she is to like abusers as they are the only ones who can routinely put them in check. most chicks in abusive relationships are confrontational drama queens.
Imagine the outrage that would have occured had one of them been white–say, the girlfriend. That would have made this story a hundred juicier because white America would be enraged.
Shesaidno-now that I do buy! remember OJ and Nicole
DA:
It’s not defeatism, it’s realism!
let realism guide your actions, but not your emotional state.
omw:
Roissy, do you think most guys would actually improve their relationships by occasionally beating their wives?
there are better flintlocks for sparking the heart light of a long dormant wife.
Should PA, in the name of securing alpha status in the eyes of his pregnant wife, give her a shiner?
only if by shiner you mean post orgasmic glow.
Should my husband give me a wallop when he gets home and discovers I have spent more time on a pickup artist’s blog than cleaning my kitchen this week?
lol. all right, you’re making me chuckle. i think your husband will forgive the messy kitchen as long as you let him use the spatula on your ass. (“stripes” ref. giddy!)
But really, do you think most men would do better with the ladies by slapping them a bit?
honestly, some men probably would see an improvement in their relationships if they slapped their women around when called for.
this does not mean i advocate such a course of action.
chiclet behaving herself:
physical weakness in comparison to male brute strength.
yes
among other discomfiting realities, like your sex’s emotional weakness and uncontrollable desire when under the spell of a dominant man.
RW:
Bottom line is this guy is a loser. He not only allowed himself to be provoked and responded like Frankenstein, thus surrendering his power, but he may have done so for the most minimal of reasons: being questioned on a text from another woman.
i tend to agree with you. though i wouldn’t call brown a loser, he clearly is not a transcendent alpha either.
but note that confronting a woman with manly gusto is not always the beta move. when i am sufficiently provoked by a woman, i will sometimes chew her out verbally. i once slapped an ex who tried to stab me with a wooden swordfish carving.
but yoru point is taken. usually, the smart play is to remain unruffled by a woman’s deliberate provocations and smelly little shit tests.
spatula action does sound fun.
Finally, motivation to wash it!
usually, the smart play is to remain unruffled by a woman’s deliberate provocations and smelly little shit tests.
except being smart isn’t a key part of being alpha. being bold, ambition and winning battles is. testosterone and sex drive are usually low in those with high IQs. being smart seems to reduce one’s chances of being alpha. alphas are bold successes because they embrace risks most people avoid. being too smart leads you to play it safe and avoid risks. provider betas are the mix of alpha ambition with beta smarts and beta risk avoidance. alphas though often do dumb things because their testosterone and ambiton get the better of their brains.
It is more or less an accepted fact that women like big, dangerous men. Just love them.
Nicole Simpson stayed with O.J., even when he was beating her and she was calling the police for protection. She later traded up to a younger, biggerfootball player, I believe, then she left him. Maybe O.J. was getting boring by then.
I find it amazing that people think physical discipline to your woman is bad, whereas hitting a child is OK in many circumstances. Where is it written that hitting is always bad? Physical contact with your mate, loving or violent, can strengthen the bond.
Abortion used to be bad and immoral (killing) until it was legalized and all medical and legal sanctions were removed. Then it became a normal, medical procedure. I suspect if hitting your wife was legal, only a few radicals would be against it. The fastest growing religion allows wife beating. Better get used to it, ladies.
Anyway, guys beat women because it works. If it didn’t work, they wouldn’t do it.
BTW, why I am not surprised that the first thing D.A. talks about is love? Who the %$#^ worries about that anymore? It is just an illusion. Move on.
Even the asian woman are not imune. They can also defend themselves.
CANDON CITY, Philippines – A battered wife killed her husband Wednesday night by bashing his head with a crowbar while he was asleep, police said Thursday.
Police identified the wife as Flordeliza Soliven Pimienta – originally from Sto. Tomas, La Union, but now a resident of Sto. Domingo in Ilocos Sur – and the fatality as Leonardo Pimienta, 43.
Flordeliza told police she was fed up with the constant beatings of her husband and that she decided to exact revenge.
She said that her farmer husband hurt her almost daily and last Wednesday, she was again beaten black and blue.
Responding police of Sto. Domingo led by SPO1 Arnel Toba said that Leonardo was unrecognizable because the crowbar damaged his face.
Parts of his body also bore injuries inflicted by the crowbar.
Flordeliza is now detained at the municipal jail while charges are being prepared against her. – GMANews.TV
God Dam the pretty lies are perished.
A woman who was just married in September was charged with killing her husband in their Merrick home Wednesday morning. Police say Kelly Forbes, 29, called 911 after strangling 51-year-old Michael Forbes with an electrical cord. What’s more, she made “incriminating statements to police,” which led to a second-degree murder charge.
On their wedding day, Michael Forbes had announced that the couple would be moving to Merrick, where he bought a split level home with a two-car garage and in-ground pool, and his uncle remembered, “Everyone thought it was nice, was happy for him.” But his wife, born in Trinidad and had lived in Brooklyn before the marriage, may not have been happy about that: A neighbor told the Post that she had missed the city, “She doesn’t like it here. She wants to move back to Brooklyn.”
Kelly Forbes is being held without bail in jail. Her 7-year-old daughter from a previous relationship was in the house during the murder, sleeping in a different bedroom. Investigators do not believe her husband was sleeping when strangled (there were signs of a “minor struggle”) and are awaiting toxicology reports to see if he was drugged – Michael Forbes was 6’1″ and 250 pounds while Kelly Forbes, who had worked as a medical assistant, is 5’5″ and 150 pounds.
among other discomfiting realities, like your sex’s emotional weakness and uncontrollable desire when under the spell of a dominant man.
Don’t agree with this.
[roissy: i’m not surprised. that is because i have nailed your ego to rights.]
physical weakness in comparison to male brute strength.
yes
When walking down the street late at night it is discomforting to know that, any of the men walking behind me have 3x the upper body strength that I do. If a strange man decides to attack me, as tough as I know I am, I will most likely be overmatched in a fistfight. As a woman, I’m at the mercy of any & all men who are in my vicinity.
[your every word drips with a fear of your sex’s vulnerability to the charms of alpha males.]
i once slapped an ex who tried to stab me with a wooden swordfish carving
More details please
[you’ll have to diddle your bean to that teaser.]
Gunslingergregi, I missed you while you were away but you had to come back with this garbage. Then again you were in Iraq so.
No more comments from
“on February 23, 2009 at 6:48 pm Paul Gowder
you write like a froo froo SWPLer.
Clearly, such a skilled Game(tm)sman as you knows that flattery will get you everywhere.”
On protecting the poor little woman. Just admit it Paul you got into the field your in so you could take advantage of woman by being the big man who will help them. Obviously they do not need you to protect themselves.
[your every word drips with a fear of your sex’s vulnerability to the charms of alpha males.]
Is a cracked skull is your idea of alpha charms? I would say that most men fear physical confrontation with women who are built like China(wrestler). Bottom line, only those who are truly screwed up enjoy physical confrontation that they can’t win.
that is because i have nailed your ego to rights
Please explain
you’ll have to diddle your bean to that teaser.
huh?
I see Dave Alex’s hanging on to the “Beta Male only gets used for his money” trope for dear life, even while the facts say otherwise. Hmm.
Cognitive dissonance, can be painful to watch.
O
I see there is another “z” on this comment section. I guess I should change my moniker……
Oh well.
I have one comment about Rhianna’s response and what would be different if Brown were her “beta hanger-on” after finding out Rhianna was TXTING some guy on the side, and the beta-hanger-on grabbed the back of her head and slammed it into the wall, dislodging two of her teeth.
She’d have given law enforcement her full and complete co-operation. She’d have been so utterly astonished (and DEEPLY upset) that the beta had it in him to act that way, it would have rocked her (and angered her) to her very bones.
Among us men, especially those of us who have done things like play organized football, fought in organized fighting leagues, served in the military, or have been in a few real fights…………………………none of us are suprised that a beta can lash out with extrodinary violence when there are no penal reprecussions for doing so. Jail and loss of livelihood are what betas are truly afraid of. Getting your ass whipped only hurts for a week or so, and if you get in a few good blows, you’ll want to train harder and try “him” again in a few months time. Many MANY men would fight their boss and try their best to hospitalize him if they felt all they’d get was jail on the weekends for a few months and would get to keep their job, with no blemish on their record, but I digress.
To wit ladies and gents:
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE LAWS PRIMARILY PROTECT ALPHA WOMEN FROM THEIR BETA HUSBANDS WHO CATCH THEM CHEATING.
If the beta-husband were only forced to leave the marriage, not be financially raped, and NOT GO TO JAIL for 11 months and 29 days……………………………………………………………..the beatdowns would keep plastic surgeons in business and women would be blown away by just how violent and utterly brutal betas would suddenly be.
Dont believe me? Talk to some Vietnam Vets and they will tell you stories of what damn near any male is capable of, even skinny little guys with no muscle tone like……………..ummmmmm Chris Brown. Whiskey has mentioned a couple of purple-heart war veterans on this blog that aren’t necessarily all that physically imposing and are classic “nice” guys, but did truly heroic things on the battlefield a la Blackhawk Down and then some, but come back here and play by the Marquis de Queensbury protocol and cant figure out why everyone is so brusque.
If Chris Brown were this type of beta………………….Rhianna would have sang like a bird to have him shackled in a 6X10 double-bunk with no window avec some other nogoodnik at the county lock-up.
But Chris Brown is an alpha (in her eyes anyway……………….in a room full of Army Rangers he isn’t), so she primally wants his seed viable to impregnate her.
You might want to learn some game gentlemen. Obviously it has benefits. Just ask Chris Brown
Chic,
Please scroll up the road apiece; I left comments that spoke to this thread’s topic that I’d be interested in getting your reaction to. Also, over on the “Fat or Not?” thread I suggested that you might be able to shed a bit of light on the history of fashion model figures and the like.
Looking forward to your comments.
Thanks.
O
let realism guide your actions, but not your emotional state.
Realism should guide everything including your emotions lest you joing the legions of men who ruined their lives doing stupid shit.
i think your husband will forgive the messy kitchen as long as you let him use the spatula on your ass.
What is with people and the spanking? Asses are for grabbing. :)
I find it amazing that people think physical discipline to your woman is bad, whereas hitting a child is OK in many circumstances.
Not withstanding those who think physical discipline to your child, I suspect that spanking your kids is seen as just simply a necessary process in raising children. In contrast, nobody “spanks” an adult to correct behaviour, and the injuries suffered by Rhianna would be considered abuse in a regards to a child.
why I am not surprised that the first thing D.A. talks about is love?
Some of us still harbour under a magical fairy tale that we’ll fall in love and find our soul mates.
I see Dave Alex’s hanging on to the “Beta Male only gets used for his money” trope for dear life, even while the facts say otherwise.
Given that women are only attracted to alpha males, the only reason that exists for a woman to attract a beta male is to acquire his financial resources. Even if she makes $100K, it still makes sense to acquire the rights to a portion of somebody else’s $100K as well because more money is always better.
Just trying to show that woman are equal. The woman that took a smack really can make her own decision about what to do without the biggest daddy of them all getting involved.
My little asian wife would draw and quarter me in seconds if she wanted too. She has so far been better at business than me. I am good at saving money and creating a vision of what I would like the future to hold. She has been good at making that happen in reality. Yet she is still a woman I still get to be a man and we do not have laws to ensure that we are unequal to fuck it all up. We can both enshalla stick to our promises and continue to be a great team down for each other in this life through anything.
Also, Chic, I did not know that Rihanna was dating la Beouf and Hartnett. Didn’t know the former of these guys was an addict (last flick I saw him in was the 1st Transformers movie; I liked his performance), either.
But what struck me was your reporting that Hartnett’s agent said that his fans wouldn’t approve of his union w/Rihanna? Am I reading you right? Could you please flesh things a bit here? Thanks.
O
Acutally, I heard she got a beat down because she was fucking around with Jay-Z
Roissy, glad you have take a more clarified position but without getting too semantic, let’s take another analogy to dispel the “transcendent alpha” idea.
Say a guy gets into a disagreement with his 72 grandmother. And she is vehement with him disagreeing with his behavior and becomes somewhat provocative in her criticism.
Would you think it requires a “transcendent alpha” to avoid sending the grandmother to the hospital with a beating? Unlikely.
And in that context, I’ll venture a guess that you would have no problem calling that person a loser.
Calling someone a loser doesn’t necessitate their popular success, or money in the bank but in this case the core of the person. Brown in this post OJ world has forever placed himself in a special category of unsympathetic characters.
Even with the continued degradation of the culture, it’s clear that he has no defense for his repugnant actions.
even skinny little guys with no muscle tone like……………..ummmmmm Chris Brown.
Chris Brown is skinny but he ain’t lacking in muscle tone. Have you seen the dude dance? His stamina, upper and lower body strength and acrobatics show him capable of real explosive athleticism, not that routine based rote choreography justin timberlake does.
“Imagine the outrage that would have occured had one of them been white–say, the girlfriend. That would have made this story a hundred juicier because white America would be enraged.”
–wouldn’t make much difference. white women with black men are overwhlemingly racist whores, merely reversing the racism we usually see portrayed in the media.
now if it had been black woman/white male, you would have seen a bunch of wanna-be tough gangstas like Ice T and some SWPL threatening,and a million more pages spilled on the white master-abusing-slaves. Salon.com would’ve made it a year-long series, with 3 new articles a day. See Duke Lacross case.
O.J. was notable for being the first public case where it clearly was racism keeping him OUT of prison. The domino effect began…
“Imagine the outrage that would have occured had one of them been white–say, the girlfriend. That would have made this story a hundred juicier because white America would be enraged.”
–wouldn’t make much difference. white women with black men are overwhlemingly racist whores, merely reversing the racism we usually see portrayed in the media.
now if it had been black woman/white male, you would have seen a bunch of wanna-be tough gangstas like Ice T and some SWPL threatening,and a million more pages spilled on the white master-abusing-slaves. Salon.com would’ve made it a year-long series, with 3 new articles a day. See Duke Lacross case.
O.J. was notable for being the first public case where it clearly was racism keeping him OUT of prison. The domino effect began…
Well, This might have been said already,but I’ll be damned if I’m reading 200 posts just to check if I’m reiterating a point:
Roissy seems to be saying that women love alphas who beat them in spite of their violent tendencies, not because of them. Like he said, “Alpha” means nothing on the moral compass.
Tupac
Sounds like Sara-esque levels of emotional lability
All that?
I don’t know. It can work, and often does, but I do NOT think it should be a part of a man’s game.
1) You are walking a fine line, and can get the cops called on you, and get put behind bars. You would lose your job, etc.
2) While the chick may get attracted to you, her family will see this and not like it, and THEY may call the cops on you.
There are many other ways to keep a woman in line that are less risky than this.
We are descended from Travis the chimp…yeah,but some are closer to Travis than others!! BTW Rihanna is NOT beautiful,by any stretch of the imagination;she is quite plain. And its intersting how light the girl is! She’s from Barbados,where the mulattoes rule over the low IQ blacks. Uhm,kinda like Washington D.C.!!!
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090223/COUNTY09/90223016&s=d&page=7#pluckcomments
There is “real” violence against women. The kind that politically correct women seem helpless to organize and do something about due to swpl status-competition.
Im pretty sure the culprit would be “alpha”. His face is stone cold.
Its pretty bold to rape a woman in that area of town. Ritzy as all get out, crowded, lots of extra security and police (that this area doesn’t really need, because its full of wealthy people). He did it anyway. The woman he did it to will probably march in rallies concerned with his “rights” and “disadvantages”.
I’m rather surprised no one here has brought up the “fists” rule. Back in the old days, in some cultures, it was permissible to discipline one’s womenfolk with the open hand, but the closed fist and more was reserved for only other men.
Breaking that rule could breech the unspoken rules of the community and allow the woman’s kinfolk to take their measure of retribution.
Of course those were the days when family mattered more and the law had more leeway on such matters. Back then, lawmen wouldn’t touch a guy who beat his wife black and blue, but then they also wouldn’t bother if the wife’s brothers all loaded into the back of the pick-up to deliver an ass-whupping to said husband.
Such were the days…
We are descended from Travis the chimp…yeah,but some are closer to Travis than others!! BTW Rihanna is NOT beautiful,by any stretch of the imagination;she is quite plain. And its intersting how light the girl is! She’s from Barbados,where the mulattoes rule over the low IQ blacks. Uhm,kinda like Washington D.C.!!!
you been sniffing glue or something? this stream of consciosness drivel makes no sesne.
I doubt that men are innately inclined to war, far too many stories have from antiquity onward related men throwing up, becoming physically ill, at the prospect of violent combat that could leave them brutally killed or maimed for life.
War is no joke, regardless if it’s a Roman gladius slashing through your belly or a Japanese mortar blowing off your leg.
Nor do women enjoy abuse, degradation, or humiliation. Clearly they do not. But men will put up with War because of other things (no choice, desire for spoils, revenge, etc.). Women will put up with abuse because of the thrill of a violent and dangerous man. I knew once casually a woman, clearly one of the most beautiful and talented and intelligent in my personal acquaintance, who worked with abused women part-time. SHE had a series of relationships with some fairly abusive men, who were however quite dynamic and macho. She eventually married a nice, stable, easy-going man. This particular woman was almost a SWPL prototype, highly educated and with typical yuppie tastes.
Samuel’s link is instructive. Women often delude themselves to the danger they risk and the control they exert over men.
While some women may kill men, the statistics do not lie. The overwhelming number of people killed by spouses, lovers, etc. are women, by men. Men killed by wives, etc. are statistically quite rare. It does happen, but so does winning the lottery. Women are unsuited for personal violence and rarely engage in it. They are mostly the victims not the perpetrators. The most important thing women can learn is how to tell good men from bad, and choose the good, avoiding the bad. Had Natalee Holloway done that, and gone nowhere near Johan Van Der Sloot, she would be alive today, not trusting in spunk and the protection of the law. Which is nowhere near active 24/7.
Bhetti B — If I take you correctly, you advise men to ignore what women clearly find attractive in fiction: violent dominance? Is this correct? I am confused. You point out how women do indeed buy that stuff like crazy, and then say it does not matter?
Help me out here.
FWIW Rhianna comes from a wealthy, Bahamian family that is of the same social stature and power as Eric Holder, current AG. She’s got an extensive, old-money family network on her call. IIRC, her uncle was some big-shot in the Bahamas government and her father a connected lawyer like Rahm Emmanuel. The fight started over a text message from … Paris Hilton. Who Chris Brown had been flirting with all night.
Jay-z puched some women. (hell its even on a gif look it up)
Biggie did it as well.
Big Pun has done it too. (With a pistol he was caught on tape as well)
Eminem beats women too.
I’m not justifying beating the hell out of a women, because celebs do it, but you have to admit men of power beat their women the f*** up.
It does touch the “dark side” of human nature.
…Along with seduction.
This is the ultimate terrible secret that feminism has been hiding for quite some time now. But the jig is up.. the cat is outta the bag and the genie out of the bottle.. for anyone with any fucking common sense to dismiss politically correct fantasy and absolute lies that the feminatrix has now been slowly losing their ability to conceal.
I recall reading FJ Sharks book “How To Be The Jerk Women Love” some years ago, where the author quoted a man who was in jail for beating his gf and he stated “Women are like dogs, the more you beat them, the more they respect you.” I thought this was a pretty hard core view of women, but alas time has proven this statement to be correct.
This explains why a lot of penniless assholes have hot looking girlfriends. What is also interesting is that this Chris Brown guy does not look like a thug — at least not in the photo of him that was linked from that blog. Kinda a humble looking harmless pretty boy. But apparently it is all in the violence you lay down on a skank. America is a nation of sociopaths, and women will only reward (i.e. fuck and procreate with) men who are total violent losers, while dismissing a decent man who treats them with respect. Well, as columnist writer Fred Reed once stated something along the lines of “America was an interesting experiment while it lasted, now its dead”
FWIW Rhianna comes from a wealthy, Bahamian family that is of the same social stature and power as Eric Holder, current AG. She’s got an extensive, old-money family network on her call. IIRC, her uncle was some big-shot in the Bahamas government and her father a connected lawyer like Rahm Emmanuel. The fight started over a text message from … Paris Hilton.
Her father is a recovering crackhead who sells t-shirts on the street. In the early part of her career she lied and said her farther was White( all Black entertainers no are mixed) but she has come clean and admitted that her dad is a light skinned Black man.
Josh, Rihanna is not a mulatto. A light skinned Black woman does not = mulatto darling.
As far as the rape thing goes, we already have one shining example:
Ladies and Gents, I give you …
Roman Polanski.
Who drugged and assualted a pleading 13 year old. Fled the country. Is lionized by men and women of Hollywood alike and the subject of a fawning documentary by a woman director: “Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired.”
Now, doesn’t that make you feel all warm and toasty inside?
Women (and increasingly it must be said MEN) judge men not by the content of their character revealed by ACTIONS, but by status and power and how other people react to THEM.
It’s why women find Drew Peterson, suspected of killing two of his wives, a sex object and young women flock around him. He has a new girlfriend now. It’s why Roman Polanski has no shortage, at age 65 or so, of hot young actresses in Cannes who fawn all over him. It’s why OJ, that creaky old murderer, had women all over him after the trial.
Women are not “fixed’ to some innate response, if social conditions mandate they choose men carefully on how their character is revealed by action, rest assured they will do so.
HOWEVER … if women are encouraged to judge men soley or almost entirely on status and how others react to the man’s status/power/social dominance, then they will do so as they now do.
It’s entirely possible, if I had a time machine, that society could be re-tilted towards the former axis and away from the latter, and even David Alexander would find a nice attractive woman who genuinely, absolutely loved him, and vice-versa. Precisely because he was a nice, decent man.
[Note: women are quite well aware of their physical limitations in a fight. It was common in the 1880’s through 1920 for firearms to be marketed specifically to women, particularly the S&W “Lemon Squeezer” (now highly collectible btw) revolver. Guns were often small, carried on the person or purse, and used as an equalizer. NOW, a woman would face social condemnation, not approbation for being “smart” and using a machine to equalize the situation. Why? Because women care more about status vs. other women, and their social approval, and the current received wisdom is for more beating up of Betas for their “violent” tendencies rather than arming women to take down the real violent Alphas.]
I’ll note in passing that someone, Chic or another female poster, made the casual insult that “bitter betas” are the usual wife-beaters. This is something that Women repeat as dogma, any woman will spout it at the least provocation, because women HATE HATE HATE beta guys.
Guys who abuse their wives/girlfriends are always some variant of Chris Brown. Some type of Alpha. Whatever you think of Brown, a guy like him is not a nerdy beta type.
Women know this, yet push the pretty lies that “beta nerdy losers” beat women instead of the violent dangerous men they are attracted to.
Someone has taken on Whiskey’s identity. Same thing with VK last week.
Murder of Girlfriend/Wife = (100*asshole game)^2
@Whiskey- Rihanna’s dad is a recovering crack addict who sells shirts on the streets of Barbados.
I’ve got a fun story that goes with this.
One of my HS girlfriends had a hot best friend that she knew from her neighborhood. This girl bounced from cock to cock.
This girl loved thugs and tough guys but none kept her happy enough for her to stick with them before she got distracted by the next guy. She’d bring the drama with these guys; fool around with some guy’s best friend and get caught, that type of thing.
Thing is, no guy ever kept her around. Their choice? maybe. But when I say this girl was hot, I mean hot. Blonde, green eyes, big tits, tiny frame like 5’5″. This was until she found some guy who would beat her regularly. This guy she stayed with. Leave him, go back, etc.
The drama from a woman is her desire to see which guys will step up and bring the dominance. Seeing her man get violent is exciting. The pain of getting beaten by him is pretty small compared to the pleasure of witnessing the degree of dominance from genes of the sperm that’s swimming through her cervix.
I’m assuming that every guy here has taken a beating at least once in his life. It’s really not that bad. Women go through childbirth. If taking a beating every once in a while is the price for confirming her man’s capacity for violence, well, she’ll pay it.
Some people are missing the spiritual component of error in women that propels them to seek out reliving resentment by eliciting bad behavior from men.
There’s nothing pleasing in being with a woman driven this way, no matter how she may look.
Water has a way of finding its own level. Pour it a glass it will level. Pour it on the floor, just the same.
PA
They both lacked self-control, but one of them just lacked it more than the other.
Obsidian
If Rihanna (supposedly) aggravates him so much that he has to beat the shit out of her, he should leave her.
And please watch 24 if you want to know how to stop a terrorist attack.
Slavery has been with humanity for millennia, so I think black people should be re-enslaved. It’s the way of things.
I’ve read that abused women who leave their abusers are more likely to go to another man who is also an abuser.
The mainstream theory is that these chicks are attracted to abusers.
But what about the theory that perhaps these chicks are just “cruisin’ for a bruisin'”, that is to say that they behave in ways that will make men more likely to want to hit them?
To be clear, I’m not blaming the victim here, but I’m just wondering if this isn’t part of it the statistical correlation as well.
Gunslingergregi, it’s a slight sign of hope that you acknowledge that the behavior you hint at would be “taking advantage of” women.
Paul Gowder,
You’re really not impressing anyone you know.
The non-losers on this board really only care about the world as it is. Not engaging in a contest about who can ignore reality the most blatantly.
I guess it’ll play in your blog’s comments.
“Ooo, look at how he went and did battle with the evil people who look at the world with eyes open”
scott peterson gets love letters in jail. im sure chris brown will do okay.
I don’t see how slapping a woman is alpha. If I am an alpha, and can have any woman I choose, why am I so set on adjusting the behavior of this particular woman?
I get the idea behind quick tempers being alpha, because this is true: betas’ quick tempers are fixed quickly through the ineffectiveness of their anger, while alphas’ tempers are shortened because the effectiveness of their anger is a constant reward.
But if I don’t need this chick, why do I hit her? Why am I trying to control any particular woman when women come to me on my terms all the time?
I think roissy is spot-on most of the time, but I think he’s wrong on this one.
I give up, WTF does HBD mean? I don’t really know Jim Goad much, but I have read most of his stuff, and never found him to be particularly political. If I had to venture a guess, his politics is more or less, ‘fuck you.’ And to summarize his woman beating, “bitch was asking for it.”
Welmer rightly pointed out that a lot of women get off on provoking their beat downs. You read about it in Greek tragedy, and it’s still true today. If you’ve never been confronted with female behavior that deserves a cuff upside the moosh, you’re not a man.
I personally can attest to this: Hot bitches love it when i slap them around.
Oh, I so lied. My Sitemeter tells me that I snagged 45 readers today alone by commenting on your site. Because I’m selfish, like any good blogger, I can’t pass that up. Welcome back to my Google Reader, man.
PS: This post is still disgusting. More disgusting than usual. I stand by that.
Suburban Sweetheart:
“Oh, I so lied. My Sitemeter tells me that I snagged 45 readers today alone by commenting on your site. Because I’m selfish, like any good blogger, I can’t pass that up.”
If I had your blog I’d try to make sure I got as little traffic as possible.
Better that no one knows you’ve got a blog that pedestrian and dull.
Fuck, the first paragraph on you blog is about you eating potato chips. It gets less interesting from there.
Suburban Sweetheart is a typical bitch, says she doesn’t like it yet comes right back for more. Rationalizes it in her tiny little mind with some excuse about her shitty blog. Women are amoral animals, indeed.
I give up, WTF does HBD mean? I don’t really know Jim Goad much, but I have read most of his stuff, and never found him to be particularly political. If I had to venture a guess, his politics is more or less, ‘fuck you.’ And to summarize his woman beating, “bitch was asking for it.”
hbd is human biodiversity, another name for race realism. that delusional clown in the comments was so desperate for validation of his views that he seriously tried to convince himself that a socialist advocating poor whites and blacks embrace socialism and join forces to overthrow rich white, ivy elites is a fellow race realist. like you said, goad pretty much hates everyone. and as someone who’s anti-elite and pro-redneck, you can bet high iq is nowhere on his list of priorities.
suburban sweetheart just proved many premises of this blog. claims to hate a certain asshole behavior, but when she sees evidence of the asshole’s status and how it benefits her, she rationalizes it away and comes back for more eagerly.
Steve, who on earth would possibly be worth impressing here?
I’m trying to give you some credit Paul.
You spew bullshit that’s intended to both impress like minded people and make it harder for anyone who buys it to understand the world as it is.
Either you’re one of the con artists trying to impress all the other whiter people with your moral preening in how you’re so much better than all of us evil people who can actually explain the world
-or-
you’re one of the chumps who’s so dumb you actually believe stuff like this isn’t just bloviating:
“Because of those two facts, I think there’s a good case for saying that the essential rapiness of rape comes from the intrusion on the free will of the victim in this particularly free-will-laden area, not from the use of coercion, qua coercion, or the absence or presence of a formal opportunity to say no.”
Really? You bothered to write something that meaningless and it wasn’t for a grade? That’s just sad.
Growder.
Is giving women what they really want, “Taking advantage” of them? I mean, how could anyone be seduced by the offer of something they did not crave?
growder: you’re officially a fag
case closed.
I predict that this post will lead to several nights in jail for the more gullible readers.
And wasn’t there some credible rumor that Rihanna gave Chris Brown herpes (which she may have gotten from Jay Z), which was the major reason for the fight?
i have to say, roissy, i’m impressed with how you handled this issue. i might have picked up on the wrong things reading this post, but here’s what i got:
1) women don’t consciously like men who beat them
2) you don’t condone men who beat women
3) 1 and 2 notwithstanding, the fact is that, in general, the type of men who hit on a woman like rihanna are considered “alpha” by most societal standards
4) also in spite of 1 and 2, women subconsciously, on a very instinctual level, are drawn to this type of behavior because it is a proxy for alphaness (like having lots of money, a hot girlfriend, etc.).
point taken. i agree with many commenters that he could have made his point with far less violence, but i also agree with you that rihanna will almost certainly return to him.
No, anon, if I were gay then I would be interested in impressing the overwhelmingly male denizens of this blog, so I could get some of your hot hard man-meat. Get it right, dude.
“but i also agree with you that rihanna will almost certainly return to him.”
Possibly if left to her own accord, but she’s going to have an entourage, fans, and handlers (Jay-Z) trying to convince her to leave Brown.
This all reminds me of that episode of Roseanne where some guy was beating on Jackie and Dan had to go whip his ass to finally run him off b/c Jackie wouldn’t leave him. This is why “Roseanne” is one of the top 5 sitcoms of all-time.
And anon guesses the reason why he does what he does. Good call Anon. He is helping the crusade to punish the hetro man.
Two separate claims here, which many are having trouble distinguishing between:
1) Some fraction of women will respond well and feel more attracted to a man who hits them.
2) Hitting women is right.
The first claim is an open and shut case. I can personally verify that some girls like to be slapped around in the heat of passion. I’ve never hit a girl outside the bedroom, but if you’ve ever watched COPS, you’ll have to agree that at least some percentage of women are pretty damn forgiving of abusive men. Finally, consider the amount of random love letters convicted murderers get compared to say, computer programmers.
2) is a little more complicated. On one side of the debate are the limp-dicked pussies who say it’s never EVER ok to touch a woman even if she is attacking you with a knife. In the opposite corner would be the “hitting girls is awesome” advocates.
Clearly both are idiots. With regard to physical violence, a woman should be treated the same as a small, weak man. Hitting someone half your size without provocation is wrong, male or female, but if a little guys comes at you swinging, put him down.
Same goes for a woman who thinks her tits entitle her to a free pass at attacking men. I’ve never been in a situation that demanded anything more serious than a grab and a shake, but if I ever felt my safety was legitimately threatened, I would bring out the pimp hand in a second and not lose a minute of sleep over it.
Cheers
Zdeno
[roissy: willard, while i don’t disagree with the criteria by which you define the alpha male, your definitions do not preclude the possibility that one characteristic in particular of alpha males is the ease with which such a man would resort to violence. an uncomfortable fact of life is that betas are the least likely to turn to violence, while a certain subset of alphas naturally turns to violence to solve problems. chris brown may not be the IDEAL ALPHA but he is an alpha in comparison to the average man. though by the looks of the backstory coming in, jay-z is a bigger alpha than brown.]
Yes, the willingness to apply overwhelming force at the point of attack is Alpha. Picking a pathetic, weak target is not.
The hypothetical Alphas in this case would be Rhianna’s brothers or father who could confront Brown away from cameras and witnesses and simply beat the shit out of him, remove some teeth, welt up his face and say ” nigga you get near our sister/daughter again and we’re gonna stripe you down, bend you over and work a broom handle up your ass. Then we’re gonna film it and put it up on the internet. Now are you a nigga with a hearing problem or have we made ourselves clear.”
Alpha men protect the women of their family and tribe from abusive men from the other tribe. And they are not amused when their women submit to this foolishness.
timid, women fearing Indian wimp said- Imagine the outrage that would have occured had one of them been white–say, the girlfriend. That would have made this story a hundred juicier because white America would be enraged.
chic noir
Shesaidno-now that I do buy! remember OJ and Nicole
Great memory there chic. Do you also remember OJ calling Nicole a “White bitch” repeatedly on a 911 call and later cutting her throat and murdering her friend?
I think that went a little farther than smacking some welts and bruises on to some disrespectful girl’s face.
sk3ptic – Acutally, I heard she got a beat down because she was fucking around with Jay-Z.
If that is true then I think it would be more Alpha to non violently kick Rhianna to the curb and then send a more physical going away present to Jay-Z.
Ultimately, Alphas don’t waste their time and energy on these trouble making, manipulative females.
hmm i agree zdeno (and whatever commenter was up there re open hand v closed fist). i’ve never been hit by a guy, but i have to think that if i were hysterical or otherwise getting really out of hand (which is exceedingly rare) and the guy i was dating slapped me, it would really shock me in a good way. kind of like being slapped by james bond, bourne, or one of those guys. i watch a lot of old movies, and you see men slap women quite often.
if he punched me in the face, strangled me or did other nasty behavior, i’d leave. that – as stated in my earlier comment – is crossing the line. i think you can discipline (including the awesome idea of a spatula btw) and assert masculinity without crossing the line.
the beating is not an alpha male thing, its just a thing that women stand up with because they either love or are in fear of that person.
One of my closer friends boyfriend was beating his girlfriend (my friend). in the end he ended up in jail and she changed name and everything. So this guy, was so unattractive, so repelling, and had so low self esteem and terrible personality. He was definitely not an alpha.
What happened with Chris and Rihanna is happening everywhere, and yeah, we do put up with the beating, probably its genetic because women have always been beaten up throughout history of humans,, by all kinds of alphas or betas oz zetas.
“i will tell you: because women fall DEEPER and HARDER in love with men when they have demonstrated some real and genuine alpha behavior, and abuse is one such way of demonstrating that. ONCE a woman has fallen in that kind of unshakeable love, all other men disappear in her eyes, no matter how many options she has on the sexual market.”
True – but he HAS to be an alpha. There are betas who are abusing assholes and it doesn’t work – they get dumped.
I had a ‘beta’ boyfriend slap me once – I left and NEVER looked back. I had an alpha boyfriend beat me black and blue – again once – and again I left. But I couldn’t forget him and years later we got back together. NO ONE compared to him. He will always be THE love of my life. He’s the only man who won’t put up with ANY of my bs.
Don’t put up with our bs guys. We won’t respect or admire you and that’s what deep “unshakeable love” stems from – respect and admiration.
Growder
What is the point of being not-gay if you resist learning the truth about women? Is masturbation all you care about?
Oh, & you guys all fell for it because your minds are big? Come on. Looks like we all win. I get the traffic & you get to insult me about petty shit because it makes you feel good. Everybody wins!
Paul Gowder,
Are you sure you’re not “compensating” for something by commenting here? Were you ever a wife beater? Did you ever legally represent them and now feel guilty about asking victims on the witness stand about whether they “walked into doors”?
Suburban,
The one thing interesting about blog that I find is that I wonder if I’m better looking than Johnny Fajitas.
Women who don’t like drama are not button-pushers. This does not mean they are all sugar and spice, many will find other ways to get their jolies, including manipulativeness and mind games.
The screamfest in the Costco parking lot, constant testing, or even beatdowns on the street scream low quality woman. It is the equivalent of a grown man who requires constant supervision to perform optimally.
btw roissy: what’s up with you commenting in the middle of people’s posts? i’m grateful that you adress people’s comments, but adding your comments in bold in the midst of their posts is over the top. it’s like visual interrupting. please refrain.
oops again wrong handle. sorry.
femalpha – btw roissy: what’s up with you commenting in the middle of people’s posts? i’m grateful that you adress people’s comments, but adding your comments in bold in the midst of their posts is over the top. it’s like visual interrupting. please refrain.
He’s an Alpha dog peeing on his territory. It’s his blog, you’re just passing through.
You sound like you’re begging for that ole spatula.
Well, I’ve been switching machines and IPs. Working on budget stuff for tomorrow. PITA.
So sometimes it’s my desktop wired, with Opera (Firefox 3 no work on OS X 10.3.9). Sometimes it’s my Ubuntu laptop with Firefox 3. Sometimes it’s my Mac Laptop with Camino and OS X 10.4.
Sigh. It just depends.
That would probably account for it.
“hit me baby, one more time.” (finally we come to see the subtext of britney’s lyrics.)
chicnoir and paul are in deep conflict with reality.
roissy: “Chicks dig power, and slapping a girl around is a form of power”
that’s it. women are attracted to men who have power — and in particular to men who have power *over them*. violence is extreme physical dominance — an immediate form of power over them. extremely sexy to women.
so much for the basic message of this post. the details, however, are intriguing, as they are less clear-cut…
roissy: “In Darwinian terms, any guy who has the cojones to hit a woman is a guy who gets so much pussy he doesn’t care about the risk that she’ll leave him. And what that attitude encapsulates – Imperturbable Aloofness — is attractive to women. Very attractive.”
this is less compelling. not every man who gets a woman addicted to his violence has many options. the phrase “the risk that she’ll leave him” suggests she stays *despite* of his violence, when really she stays *because* of it. moreover, the violence also does not suggest “imperturbable aloofness”. on the contrary, it suggests emotionality and lack of control – plus: dominance.
she *experiences her own power* as she makes him explode. his explosion is extremely stimulating to her — and puts her in her place (ever so pleasurably), as it reaffirms his dominance and at once also his dependency on her (not his independence).
so one interpretation would be that what makes a man’s violence toward his women sexy to her is the combination of (1) the intensity of the interaction (which also causes bonding) and (2) the ultimate reaffirmation of his dominance.
note that the completely aloof independent guy — while cooler — will not provide the stimulation (emotional and physical) that is so attractive to her.
this is reminiscent of sex-god method: where *emotion* along with dominance is a basic element of good sex.
this is tricky, because high degrees of emotion make it difficult to be dominant.
my personal formula is this: be as emotional as is possible with compromising ultimate dominance.
when emotion rises in the course of drama, this poses a challenge: get more emotional and you will lose control. the loss of control can take a submissive or a dominant form. submissive is unsexy. dominant is sexy. this is where violence comes in.
violence may be the “solution” to that challenge: it allows the man to keep increasing emotion and drama, and yet to maintain dominance.
aliasclio had some interesting thoughts:
“Camille Paglia […] said that this was usually not a manifestation of male power, but a *sign of male weakness*, and that this was one of the reasons why a certain type of woman enjoyed violence from men. This sort of woman might accept being hit, accept her husband’s frantic apologies, enjoy some kind of sexual encounter with him afterwards made all the “hotter” by both the apology and the beating, and keep him tied to her as a dependent child through frequent re-enactment of this scenario. [..] I’ve said here before that many alpha men (in Roissy’s sense of being able to bag birds) are rather weak and full of self-doubt in private.”
this suggests similar complications: where it is not pure dominance and aloof control that is most sexy to women, but high-intensity emotional and physical interaction (suggesting that she has substantial power over him, too) – as long as ultimately he reasserts his dominance.
–stagetwo
correction: be as emotional as is possible *without* compromising ultimate dominance.
After six months of casually dating a tweenager, I caught her having a fling. I might have put up with the fling, but she broke dates three nights in a row, and I became enraged by her rudeness. Those two left jabs to her face remain vivid in my brain. I must say it was an extremely intense moment – a moment of pleasure.
She says she fell in love with me at that precise point. She took me much more seriously after that.
I’ve never forgotten that life lesson. I do my best not to put myself in a situation where I’ll choose that action again. I don’t want to be that guy. But having been that guy shows a world we are told does not exist.
I’ve been handed the Ultimate-Shit-Test on a few other occasions. On one occasion I slapped a girl in the middle of a 7-11. (I can’t believe I was weak enough to fuck her the next day. That girl drove me mad). On another occasion a girl who refused to stop flirting on her cell phone and tell the guy she has a boyfriend got dragged out of my apartment by her ankles.
There are shit tests, and then there are Shit Tests.
None call for beating a woman up. But short, sharp, violence has a place in this world.
Some women not only ask for it, they push you until there is no other option.
Demonstrating physical strength over someone much weaker than you isn’t Alpha – much as beating up on a kid in a weelchair isn’t Alpha.
Girls and weelchair bound kids are weaker than full grown men, everyone knows that, so beating them demonstrates nothing but your inability to maintain composure.
There are situations where I might hit a girl and consider myself fully justified, but it would be merely a necessary act, and I would never delude myself that it demonstrated any kind of superiority on my part, or that anyone else would see it in such a light.
You’re lucky enough never to have dated a psycho bitch master manipulator. That’s all. Nothing superior or unbreakable in you.
You know how everyone breaks under torture? Everyone can hit a woman. Everyone has a breaking point.
You simply haven’t come up against a woman who won’t give up until you hit her.
They [Tony Soprano and Christopher Moltisanti] both lacked self-control, but one of them just lacked it more than the other.
The degree in difference between their levels of self control was significant. Tony ran a “family business” with effectiveness. Yes, he did stupid things from time to time and sabotaged himself on occasion but he had enough mastery over his impulses to snap things back under control.
Not so with Christopher. He screwed up whatever he touched. Not for lack of balls or intelligence/cunning, but because he had very little control over himself and his impulses. That’s what caused him over time to become a liability to the “business.” And as you recall, Tony killed him — a young pup whom he took under his wing like a son — for fucking up one too many times.
That’s what got me on the comparison to Chris Brown: guys like him are alpha, but of the burn-out / flare-out type. By battering a woman they show a lack of self-discipline. This is a pattern of behavior that repeats itself in their countless screw-ups, the final one leading to their undoing.
By the way, Spike did bring up a great point about open-palm vs. fist punches. He also observed:
they [lawmen] also wouldn’t bother if the wife’s brothers all loaded into the back of the pick-up to deliver an ass-whupping to said husband.
Heh. Today, the first thing the lawmen would do is cite the driver of the pickup for unsafely carrying passengers in the back of the truck.
There are different types of violence against women. Beating someone up is different than a slap, or even a closed fist jab.
And what many men are completely unfamiliar with is the dynamic of the woman egging the man on, puppeting his emotions, and playing him to a point of uncontrollable rage. No saint is immune to a master manipulating sociopath or borderline personality disorder woman. There is not one of us, not even the most seasoned meditator, who is immune. Some women not only ask for it, not only beg for it, but will not rest until there is violence.
Many women in jail have been known to gossip “but how do you know if he loves you if he doesn’t hit you?”. Upper class folks put this down to low class ignorance, forgetting that the dynamic is more than about education. It’s more visceral and primal than mere learning. Sure, higher classes have better executive control, but the underlying dynamic is merely buried.
And what many men are completely unfamiliar with is the dynamic of the woman egging the man on, puppeting his emotions, and playing him to a point of uncontrollable rage.
There are women like that. One of the perks of growing up with three sisters is that you get insight into the female character early on. One of my younger sisters (love ‘er dearly) was like that with me. When we were kids she’d do or say something very unexpectedly that drove me to redline rage levels. And I was a calm kid.
The “violence” on my part was just kid-scuffles, immediately broken up by parents, of just a lot of hollering on my part… but I do know this “egging on for effect” that you’re talking about. It always comes with a little glint in her eye.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, she’s always been drawn to bad-boy dirtbag types. My two other sisters did nothing like that, so it isn’t a universal female trait.
PA,
Its been suggested that this dynamic plays out more in the Black community than the White. I don’t know for certain, however, if one accepts the notion that Black folks in general have higher testosterone levels than do Whites, it would certainly make sense.
Therefore, it is possible that perhaps the sister of yours you described could have higher “T” levels in her relative to your other sisters. This could explain things.
As mentioned before, the best way to handle such situations is by way of a firm spanking in private-punching her in the face, etc, should be prohibited.
Please see the Kama Sutra for more on this, among a great many historical sources.
The Obsidian
One thing about the whole Brown/Rihanna incident was bothering me, but I couldn’t figure out just what it was. It came to me yesterday. Their fight supposedly took place in Brown’s Lamborghini. Some time ago I took a look inside a Lamborghini at a car show and couldn’t believe how tiny the passengers compartment is. You basically have to shoehorn yourself in to fit. How Brown could have administered such a severe beating in such a confined space boggles my imagination. If the detail about the fight’s location is wrong, what else is wrong?
Peter
One of the best rock songs ever; read the language of gambling as a metaphor for the life of a pick-up artist. Ladies and gentlemen, Bob Seger:
Ahh, but one of life’s highest satisfactions is to spider the spider. To game the gamer.
No one’s gotten to her yet? Everyone has weaknesses. Sweetest victory is over a spider.
expat:
Everyone can hit a woman. Everyone has a breaking point.
And for you it arrived when that bitch dared to break a few dates in a row. That’s when you just HAD to give her “two left jabs in the face”.
She says she fell in love with me at that precise point. She took me much more seriously after that.
Sometimes the bullshit is so thick here it’s hard to breathe.
No one’s gotten to her yet?
I read the line “no one’s gotten to you yet” as “no woman has captured you (the PUA) yet.” But your point works the other way too.
Obsidian
The best way to handle which situations?
There is no monolithic situation that is a call to violence. And not all calls to violence can be handled with sex play.
It’s fine to pontificate from the comfort of your own brain, but there are probably situations that you have neither been in nor can imagine. Life is weird that way. You don’t know until you know. You can’t know what you don’t know. There are situations that will bring out surprising reactions in YOU. Yes, even YOU.
No Paul. It’s just outside of what is known for you, so you can’t accept it.
It is her words I’m using to tell my story.
She changed towards me after that, and I asked her why, and that’s what she said.
Everything changed after that.
But you don’t want to – no, you can’t hear that. You’re outside of your comfort zone, and are saying “la la la la la” while holding your ears.
The alpha part of violence is the demonstration of ownership over the woman, particularly over her body. Done right, it’s a part of every healthy relationship.
By “done right,” there should be no actual violence; only playful, symbolic one. For example, giving her a playful slap on the ass from time to time when alone. Or when, say, she’s standing in front of the refrigerator and you need to look inside it, take her gently but firmly by the hips and just scoot her aside. That’s the kind of ‘laying of hands’ that women who aren’t psychoes like and in letting you do so, she affirms that you are her man and she belongs to you.
Actual violence is a sign that either you have no self-control or you are with a psycho-bitch you need to lose fast.
I wonder if dialing 911 while you watch someone get mugged is the same alpha-man courage as hitting a woman?
roissy is and always will be a sissy that uses game not to be a better player but to pretend to be a man in the first place. I’d love to see him spend 2 weeks in the Corps.
chic’s white knight tard team:
I wonder if dialing 911 while you watch someone get mugged is the same alpha-man courage as hitting a woman?
when a marine dives for cover from sniper fire, is he:
a. being smart or
b. being a sissy?
Yes, but…
There is something to be said for trial by fire. If you feel up for that path, the path of the psycho bitch, there is much learning, and fast.
There is no one who can take that path without making lots of mistakes. But it’s a valid path. The path of dating the psycho bitch is not for the novice, and graduates of that path are forever different than other men.
This post jogged my memory to a couple of months ago. I had spit some tight game at a 22 year old who wound up leaving the bar with another dude. Finding myself in the same bar with a mutual friend just two nights later, I practiced the highest level of asshole game I could muster to this slut. Negging left and right, deprecating DHV comments abounding, I displayed extreme disinterest to this girl who, for some reason, couldn’t stop talking to me.
The next day, she tells our mutual friend that she was scared I was going to get violent with her (at the bar!).
I was miffed at the time because I thought it meant I’d thoroughly failed to establish ‘amused mastery.’ Little did I know, she was simply rambling her Code Open Faucet Pussy fantasies out loud. She was looking for Asshole Game x100.
At the risk of sounding bitter, it is invigorating to imagine that she will one day find happiness underneath a man’s closed fist.
S & M. It’s not just for breakfast anymore.
Clearly both are idiots. With regard to physical violence, a woman should be treated the same as a small, weak man. Hitting someone half your size without provocation is wrong, male or female, but if a little guys comes at you swinging, put him down. Same goes for a woman who thinks her tits entitle her to a free pass at attacking men.
Absolutely agreed. And I’m a woman. Also a feminist, and this is one important aspect of feminism (genuine feminism, not the harpy extremism that’s used as an example around here): you don’t get a free pass on anything just because you’re a girl.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, she’s always been drawn to bad-boy dirtbag types. My two other sisters did nothing like that, so it isn’t a universal female trait.
TRUTH. Nobody can deny that there are women out there who are poster girls for abusive relationships, but those women are not all women.
There are situations that will bring out surprising reactions in YOU. Yes, even YOU.
This works on the flipside, too, remember. It doesn’t take a lot of strength to incapacitate someone, even someone larger than you. All it takes is them not expecting it. If you hit a woman who hasn’t done anything to threaten you, don’t be surprised if she retaliates. Some of us aren’t going to melt into a puddle of vaginal juice when you cuff us upside the head for some alleged misbehavior.
Actual violence is a sign that either you have no self-control or you are with a psycho-bitch you need to lose fast.
Either way, why would a true alpha bother with that much drama, if he has hordes waiting in the wings to replace her?
“chic’s white knight tard team:
.I wonder if dialing 911 while you watch someone get mugged is the same alpha-man courage as hitting a woman?
when a marine dives for cover from sniper fire, is he:
a. being smart or
b. being a sissy?”
Holy shit! Did you just compare witnessing an urban mugging to sniper fire in a combat zone? Where was the hail of gunfire that put you in such immediate danger, roissy?
You delusional little pansy.
For the sanctimonious who’d like to tidy up life’s ugly piles of poop, and make the world a properly civilized place, I say to you – you can’t sweep your own face out of the mirror.
Sooner or later, whether you admit it or not, you’ll face your inner demons.
I’m here to tell you they aren’t so demonic. They are workable. Not quite tameable, but workable.
You have not lived until you’ve dated a psycho bitch. You’ve been truly alive, until you are in love with a woman with a sex drive and ability 1000 times higher than other women. You’ve not been a man until you have mastery over the master of all men. High power and high strung women come at a price. A huge price. A price worth paying, at least once, preferably more often. You’ve got to be what you’ve got to be to play at that level.
Psycho women sometimes want to be bad, and will push you up to and then past your limits, often.
And some shit will happen.
Is it worth it? Those girls will get prime time as your life flashes by that one last time. Those memories are etched with fire.
So to the sanctimonious, saying what should be civil behaviour, I say, you’ve just not stepped outside your comfort zone yet. You’ve not been in a real war zone yet.
Either way, why would a true alpha bother with that much drama, if he has hordes waiting in the wings to replace her?
I wouldn’t because that’s not my scene. But there are unstable Alpha guys who click with psycho-chicks for psychological reasons of their own and keep them around, and in their own way, love them despite having many other options.
Think Sid and Nancy.
tard team:
Holy shit! Did you just compare witnessing an urban mugging to sniper fire in a combat zone?
when a guy is waving a gun in my general vicinity threatening to shoot i cannot get inside his head and predict whether he will pull the trigger and start firing. therefore, i do the sensible thing and assume that bullets could begin flying at any second, just like in a war zone.
you are a very dumb person, wonka/chic. very dumb.
Where was the hail of gunfire that put you in such immediate danger, roissy?
which is more likely to win in a fight:
a. your fists or
b. a gun?
think, mcfly.
You delusional little pansy.
why does my existence threaten you?
I’m not advocating hitting people. That event was not premeditated. When I confronted her on the street, I was pissed, and had in mind giving her a piece of my mind. It happened very fast. In retrospect I was surprised I had used my left hand, and I’m right handed. It was a crime of passion that came out of the body, unexpected. I’m not proud of it, nor boasting, not condoning nor recommending others do the same. I’m sharing this incident in the name of science. I’m recounting what happened to me. I don’t believe what happened is an anomaly. I feel there is a deep underlying pattern in what happened.
After that violence, we became more physically bonded, and the sex improved a great deal.
It is what it is. Not saying it’s good, not saying it’s bad. But it is exactly opposite what many WANT it to be.
You’ve been truly alive, until you are in love with a woman with a sex drive and ability 1000 times higher than other women.
Sanity & uber-high sex drive are not mutually exclusive.
All you’re really saying here is that you’re just as much a drama-queen as the psycho bitches you’re lauding.
Either way, why would a true alpha bother with that much drama, if he has hordes waiting in the wings to replace her?
plenty of reasons. alphas hate disrespect and hate losing. alphas often have high testosterone and can be explosive in their temper and bursts of violence. the tons of women waiting in the wing are the furthest thing from his mind in the heat of the moment. he may be obsessed with a certain woman because he finds her to be high quality. sure he may have hordes of women waiting in the wings, but not all women are created equal. he may find the woman he’s beating a better investment than the hordes he has waiting in the wings. or he may beat the hordes of replacements too when they piss him off.
even the most alpha of alphas like napoleon, caesar and marc anthony (the roman general, not the latin singer) have gotten strung out over a single woman in their lifetimes. it happens.
people need to stop thinking being alpha and having high character are inseparable. there are alphas of high character and alphas of low character. there are betas of high character and betas of low character. Look at dictators and people like Pablo Escobar, undeniably evil and brutal but undeniably alpha as well.
“TRUTH. Nobody can deny that there are women out there who are poster girls for abusive relationships, but those women are not all women.”
50%
http://www.uwstout.edu/rs/2007/Abusive%20Relationships.pdf
Yes, they are.
expat: I’m not advocating hitting people.
My post wasn’t aimed at you, expat; rather at those who would sample from selected personal anecdotes and attempt to fashion a universal truth out of them.
“Some women stay with their abusers.” True.
“All women secretly want their men to hit them.” False.
50%
http://www.uwstout.edu/rs/2007/Abusive%20Relationships.pdf
50% is not all. QED.
Sanity & uber-high sex drive are not mutually exclusive…. (followed by fem character bashing)
Yes, they are.
It wasn’t character-bashing. Sanity & uber-high sex drive are NOT mutually exclusive, therefore there must be some other reason you enjoy the psycho aspect of these women.
My theory: you’re as much of a drama-queen as they are.
I’m not fond of universals, but generalizations are tools that can be wielded with some benefit.
Both men and women have it in them to enjoy being dominated. It’s a matter of where on the spectrum one fines their bone tickled. Some people only get a rush at the end of a bungy jumping cord. Others get overly stimulated nearing the edge of the cliff.
Some women like to go right up to and over the edge, and DEMAND physical thrills.
And most don’t.
Those that do are different than other girls, and have some compensatory advantages. They can be worth it.
if you have to hit your woman to keep her in line, you have lost control, or you fear you are about to lose control. Alpha is maintaining a cool, calm, collected demeanor DESPITE ANY RANTING/RAVING ON HER PART (Roissy has voiced this MANY times AD NAUSEUM)………..aside from the little forgotten fact that ONLY a W-E-A-K man hits a woman. period. Power is running game on a girl without ever making her fear you physically through following through on abuse.
-so far from the mark of getting it right, that you can’t even see it guys. nothing alpha about hitting a woman. that’s like saying an Alpha father beats his children. It’s weakness and insecurity….alphas lack those traits. betas use physical force and intimidation b/c they know/fear that deep down their weakness will be seen for what it is: weakness. Period. Power is never having to follow through on threats or innuendo.
I never thought this was a truly mysoginistic blog until I saw so many wannabe Alphas so desperate for blogosphere approval that they would say that beating a woman has its place. F’ing pathetic disgraces, all of you.
Anonymous, why don’t you use a name? Too lazy? Too invisible?
You are talking about apples and koala bears, as if they are the same thing. Good sex, and drama. I don’t see the intersection.
I doubt you’ve tasted extremely good sex. 4 hours a day for 3 months sex, with 6 on weekends. In the middle of the street sex. Sex on the beach, in the ocean, in public toilets. Finger inside the miniskirt of the pantyless girl, every time you ride up the escalator. A constant fire in the spine so strong you feel in your fingertips.
Sex as a fire of life that never leaves you.
You have no clue the extremes sex can reach. Only an seriously extreme girl will reach them.
Those that do are different than other girls, and have some compensatory advantages. They can be worth it.
I don’t agree, but it’s too subjective, so there’s hardly a point in arguing it. The only thing I was originally addressing was the danger of making the anecdotal universal.
Speaking as a drama-free woman with a wicked sex-drive, I know the two are not mutually exclusive. I also have a very clear concept of the difference between assertive and aggressive behavior and what I’m willing to put up with, and if a man hits me, he will suffer consequences. Not from a court or any proxies: from me. And then we are done, forever.
What works with one woman won’t necessarily work with all.
Hey Benedict, your argument is about what is alpha or not.
You didn’t address the issue of IF violence is sometimes a turn on and brings couples closer.
Reality might be a bitch, reality might be Alpha, or Beta, or whatever name you want. But you’ve got start with at least acknowledging reality.
You are starting in with the name calling, as if that makes a bit of difference.
Alpha, not alpha. The issue isn’t about that.
-so far from the mark of getting it right, that you can’t even see it guys. nothing alpha about hitting a woman. that’s like saying an Alpha father beats his children. It’s weakness and insecurity….alphas lack those traits. betas use physical force and intimidation b/c they know/fear that deep down their weakness will be seen for what it is: weakness. Period. Power is never having to follow through on threats or innuendo.
alpha traits are like a gun, they are a powerful weapon that is not inherently good or bad. it all comes down to who is weilding the weapon. a gun in the wrong, irresponsible hands is used for evil. same with alpha traits. a gun in the right, responsible hands is used for good to make life better for everyone. same for alpha traits. just because the guy uses his alpha traits in a scumbag way doesn’t mean he’s not an alpha, it just means he’s not a good guy alpha. and it doesn’t mean that the people who acknowledge him as alpha support the beating of women.
You rank your own sex drive. Uh huh. And how have you come up with data to compare yourself with other women?
Everyone has differing sex drives. Some people have sex drives that are more wickedly high. So extreme that every breath and every motion is felt as the act of sex.
I’ve dated relatively sane women with high sex drives. That ain’t what I’m talking about.
You’ll have to qualify what you mean by “wicked sex-drive”. I’m betting it isn’t close to what I’m what I’m talking about.
expat:
You are talking about apples and koala bears, as if they are the same thing. Good sex, and drama. I don’t see the intersection.
You implied immediately upthread that being psycho was a prerequisite for high sex drive and ability. And I quote:
You have not lived until you’ve dated a psycho bitch. You’ve been truly alive, until you are in love with a woman with a sex drive and ability 1000 times higher than other women.
I said sanity and high sex drive are not mutually exclusive — that is, you can have a girl with that kind of drive and ability who does not push you to the point of having to hit her.
You said they are mutually exclusive.
And that is where the intersection came from.
I doubt you’ve tasted extremely good sex…You have no clue the extremes sex can reach. Only an seriously extreme girl will reach them.
You have precisely zero clue as to what I’ve experienced, and that’s just the way I like it. Hence I remain Anonymous.
You’ll have to qualify what you mean by “wicked sex-drive”. I’m betting it isn’t close to what I’m what I’m talking about.
Did I not just say that the subjective is not worth arguing about? Go forth and operate under your belief system.
Yes, nameless, I thought you’d come back with my association of psycho with high sex drive. I, however, did not conflate them. You assume I’m a drama queen for putting up with drama. I’m telling you I put up with drama for the sex. Not for the drama. I hold the two concepts as separate but related, you squished them into an unrecognizable mush, only to then say they are distinct if we are talking about you and other sane girls.
And don’t bring up your sex drive as being as high as a psycho-bitches if you then don’t want to compare.
And this is what confuses non-game men more than anything.
If a woman thinks you are a beta, in her mind, either because you haven’t proved your an alpha(to her) or you’ve proved your beta(to her) and you ‘slap her’, once, she will go completely nuts, call the police, send you to jail. Leave you, and maybe try to get you to lose your job. The police will be sadistic maniacs assisting this whole process.
If a woman has decided, in her mind, you are Alpha, then slapping her silly will increase her attraction to you. She may call the police… or not… but she will deeply regret any crazed police response. She may have moral or other standards that make her unhappy with you hitting her. So she may leave. But she will leave ‘turned on’.
So reactions to your behaviors, men, is entirely dependent on what is going on in her mind. What stage of attraction/comfort/excitement she happens to be in. The situation, you as you are, are irrelevant. You can do the right thing, at the wrong time, and it blows up like a bomb. You did it right, but you did it at the wrong time. So to bad.
Some women are pretty messed up:
I practiced the highest level of asshole game I could muster to this slut. Negging left and right, deprecating DHV comments abounding, I displayed extreme disinterest to this girl who, for some reason, couldn’t stop talking to me.
The next day, she tells our mutual friend that she was scared I was going to get violent with her (at the bar!).
I was miffed at the time because I thought it meant I’d thoroughly failed to establish ‘amused mastery.’ Little did I know, she was simply rambling her Code Open Faucet Pussy fantasies out loud. She was looking for Asshole Game x100.
Oh, and Sisters That Want To Stand Up To Men. You need to consider the fact that the police won’t really care what you want once you set them off.
Ladies, calling the police is the nuclear option. Unless you can say to yourself you want this relationship TERMINATED, you want it DEAD AS DEAD CAN BE, I suggest you don’t call. Brown has super-money so ordinary rules don’t apply to him.
For ordinary men and women, after you make that call, your relationship is most likely DEAD. As in involuntary restraining orders forcing your boyfriend/husband to stay away from you(and his house/appartment!) in some states, and you have no choice in the matter!
So calling the police is, in many states, nuclear war.
Hitting someone is rarely a cold and calculated act. It’s a crime of passion. You don’t decide to do it.
It is a flow moment. Like any other flow moment, you are not outside of the situation, making choices. You are inside and in the moment. Your action is part of and an expression of the whole scene.
You can think about it before, or after, but at the time the senses are heightened and action comes from the body. It isn’t about right or wrong or alpha or beta or any categorization at the time, any more than riding a wave on a surfboard, or throwing a bowling ball is about ideas. You are in a heightened moment of life and acting as part of a flow.
Not saying good, not saying bad. Just saying, there are lots of flow moments in life – heightened moments. Violence can certainly heighten all your senses.
You don’t hit someone to game them.
You look back, and see the reactions to what you did. You don’t look forward, and decide to do such a thing.
expat – the blog post is called “Chris Brown is Alpha”. I’m addressing my belief that 1) men who beat women are not alpha. 2) Chris Brown in all probability beat Rihanna (a woman) = Chris Brown is not Alpha.
No different than some women who get some turn-on from being emotionally/verbally abused, i’m sure some women have a warped definition of love/affection in which physical abuse is an integral part…..i’m not really concerned with the people who need therapy…i’m simply addressing Roissy’s notion that Chris Brown and vis as vis his behavior, are indicative of alpha behavior.
Benedict – you cast out of your inner circle those that “need therapy”, invalidating their reactions.
Smooth move, exlax. That’s like a Catholic discounting any argument that comes from a Jew. It’s intellectually puerile. Childish.
Personally I find the categorization of “alpha” to be mere shorthand for a bunch of traits, and not a thing that a person can either be or not be. It’s not like a color or a number. There is no such “thing”.
I do agree with you that beating a woman shows severe lack of self restraint and poor character, and is reprehensible and society punishes such behaviour for good reason.
And even here there is room for nuance.
Benedict Smith,
We’re disgusting wretches, I agree. Why are you still commenting here? Oh well, off to beat up the girlfriend! She loves it too.
You don’t hit someone to game them.
Well, duh. That’s not the point, women’s reaction to a whole huge group of things, including being hit, are wildly, completely different depending on what they decide you are.
Thier reaction to hitting is simply really, really obvious.
This can be expanded to their reaction to a many many other things, including game.
I get your point, well_duh. You can’t pick apart male behaviour and catogorize each behaviour along with an expected response.
Well, duh.
It’s a gestalt.
A gestalt with patterns. It’s the patterns, not the pieces of pattern, that we discuss here. Ya, there is no one to one relationship between action and re-action. That doesn’t make women crazy.
And when I mention being in a flow moment, and being in your body, and a heightened sense of now, while doing violence, I don’t do so for mere poetic reasons.
Imagine coming from your core and expressing your full self, in a blow.
That’s an intimate moment. People often connect in such moments. Didn’t you ever earn a childhood friend with a boyhood fight?
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And ya, there is the way to de-sexualize the issue. Kids who brawl with each other usually become fast buddies.
Something chemical goes on, and you get a respect for the mettle of the man.
expat knows what he’s talking about.
Where are you an expat btw?
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Yes! Chic Noir, dat be you? Hysterical…
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It is a flow moment. Like any other flow moment, you are not outside of the situation, making choices. You are inside and in the moment. Your action is part of and an expression of the whole scene.
You can think about it before, or after, but at the time the senses are heightened and action comes from the body. It isn’t about right or wrong or alpha or beta or any categorization at the time, any more than riding a wave on a surfboard, or throwing a bowling ball is about ideas. You are in a heightened moment of life and acting as part of a flow.
Man, you truly are a bullshit artist. It’s not easy to make hitting a woman sound like a beautiful form of self-expression – almost art, in fact.
Christ.
The above was directed at expat, of course.
With regard to physical violence, a woman should be treated the same as a small, weak man.
Should be, but aren’t. I guarantee you I am much, much more likely to give a small, weak man a punch in the snoot than any woman. Small, weak men know that if they verbally cross a certain line, even with a much bigger man, they’re going to get a beatdown – so generally they don’t cross that line and say the things that will earn them a beatdown. Women, on the other hand, generally don’t think there is such a line, and don’t hesitate to say things that coming from a man would mean instant fisticuffs.
Paul, I wonder if you wouldn’t be better served by a different nom de plume. You ain’t no Atriedes. All you understand is the type of comment I just gave you – about character.
You don’t address anything but.
Lehuster – you’ve captured my online attitude towards conversation. If a woman wants to be treated equally, I’ll give her an equally hard time. Same as for minorities.
I save my protective nurturing social graces, my knights of the round table chivalry, for women who need it.
Those that think they don’t need chivalry get none.
Benedict Smith:
if you have to hit your woman to keep her in line, you have lost control, or you fear you are about to lose control. Alpha is maintaining a cool, calm, collected demeanor DESPITE ANY RANTING/RAVING ON HER PART (Roissy has voiced this MANY times AD NAUSEUM)………..aside from the little forgotten fact that ONLY a W-E-A-K man hits a woman. period. Power is running game on a girl without ever making her fear you physically through following through on abuse.
What part of Roissy’s “Yep, it’s alpha. Many people, despite their revulsion, will believe these rumors because these kinds of stories are all too common. Alpha isn’t always “amused mastery” or grace under pressure. Sometimes, in fact a lot of times, it’s a flying flurry of fists to the face”
did you not understand?
Game theory, as espoused by heads of state, relies on being unpredictable. If your opponent thinks you are out of control, and will respond irrationally, you have more control over them.
Your children should be afraid of you.
You should not be predictable.
In other words, being in control over yourself is poor strategy.
hbd people think that an all-white society magically fixes everything because of high iq, regardless of the classes of white involved.
At least according to one HDB believe, Steve Sailer, that is not true. For evidence, just see underclass white England.
Haven’t read the other 307 comments, so this probably isn’t an original observation. I’m a woman, so I can say that yes, it is in us to take pain, forget & forgive, and keep on loving. I think it has to do with childbirth. And yes, chicks do dig power. It cracks me up when women complain about how status-obsessed men are. They are that way because of us! Women want high-status men!
Too few girls have older wiser women advising them against alpha brutes. Thank God, fasting, for a good man who loves you and will be a good father to your children! Even if he is a plumber.
Stagetwo chicnoir and paul are in deep conflict with reality.
that’s it. women are attracted to men who have power — and in particular to men who have power *over them*. violence is extreme physical dominance — an immediate form of power over them. extremely sexy to women
If your hypothesis is true why is it that few women in comparison to men watch boxing, football or extreme fighting?
Women, as a group, like men who can protect them from the violence of other men. Yea you have a few sick mentally unstable women but they are not the majority. There are also some men who enjoy being slapped around and verbally abused by women. A man who takes pleasure in beating up a woman but chumps up when challenged by another man is a beta bitch.
[roissy: wow, you just can’t stop spewing your bullshit, can you? allow me to school your ass. most men are more afraid of hitting a woman than they are of hitting another man. most betas do not have it in them to hit women. many alpha males who have been in plenty of fights with other men hit their women as well. the propensity to physical aggression is a sign of higher, not lower, testosterone and is more indicative of alpha behavior than beta behavior. got it?]
expat You know how everyone breaks under torture? Everyone can hit a woman. Everyone has a breaking point. Do you say the same thing about rape?
Expat, maybe the reason you keep finding yourself with crazy women is because you are drawing them to yourself or are attracted to them. Did you grow up in a house with a verbally abusive mother (no insult)? Like you said, some people never go through this but others do, why is that?
Expat You have not lived until you’ve dated a psycho bitch. You’ve been truly alive, until you are in love with a woman with a sex drive and ability 1000 times higher than other women. You’ve not been a man until you have mastery over the master of all men. High power and high strung women come at a price. A huge price. A price worth paying, at least once, preferably more often. You’ve got to be what you’ve got to be to play at that level
Well this seems to answer my question, without a doubt, you like the crazy women.
I never thought this was a truly mysoginistic blog until I saw so many wannabe Alphas so desperate for blogosphere approval that they would say that beating a woman has its place. F’ing pathetic disgraces, all of you.
* walks over to give Benedict Smith a hug and some dap*
[roissy: any hug in a storm, eh toots?]
It’s getting worse too.
[just because i shit all over you doesn’t mean it’s getting worse. though i can see why you would feel that way.]
Comment confusedBrown has super-money so ordinary rules don’t apply to him. No he is broke. BTW, Rihanna didn’t call the police, a woman who heard Rihanna screaming called the police.
@ Back Hand- SMH
Well I did warn him that this type of post would drive up his traffic but would also bring about a dark side too.
a plumber is an alpha
do you see woman being plumber, Electrician, Generator Mechanic, Mechanic of any sort. Carpenters. Do you see woman build or fix anything?
Hey, Gunslinger. Respect your Grandma.
Dear Gregi:
The way things are now, a plumber, electrician, or mechanic may be a better catch than a banker! My point was that girls don’t get good advice on how to attain lasting happiness. The root of “virtue” is “virile”! A virtuous man — the honest, steady sort, one comfortable in his own skin — the sort girls tend to blow off as “boring” — is a much better bet than a flashy stud.
My dick smells.
Is that what you witness? That plumbers don’t get laid?
I don’t witness that. What I see is that girls go for all sorts, but mostly the sexy sort.
All sorts of men play to all sorts of strenghts. From what I see.
That’s a fine argument if you’ll also aply it to the other sorts I’ve found myself with.
roissy: This is all very difficult. I’m going to try and stay genuine here. Part of the definition of abuse (if it’s well-executed) is that a) the aggressor manages to alienate the support structure of the victim by poisoning her against them and controlling her — gradually, slowly, without her being aware; the theme of his attitude is that ‘they don’t love you like I do, baby’ b) he capitalises on her feelings of worthlessness or inadequacy (which I assume all women have a little of) to convince her that he is the only kind of person who will ever love or feel affection for her.
I say ‘her’. It could be ‘him’.
I don’t know if this applies to Rihanna. I don’t know if he gradually shaped her like this. I don’t think of celeberities as a poster-child for sanity; I believe that instead of an inner child, they’ve all got internal Amy Winehouses waiting to come out. Looking at Brown’s looks and his music, he doesn’t look like a dominant person to me in any way. (ASIDE: I hate high-pitched voices in men; deepening your voice is probably an easy way to make yourself appear more masculine without doing anything else.)
Does this model adequately explain women who go back for more and more? Well, maybe, because they’ve learnt that this is the only type of man who will love them, that they deserve what is done to them and that this is the only man they will love. This is commonly known among people who work with abused women, and breaking them out of that way of thinking is a goal.
But there will be exceptions. There always are. I just don’t know to what extent and which girls are ‘vulnerable’ to that sort of thing.
Whiskey: the important point is that it was ROMANTICISED. This means that he didn’t really ‘hurt’ her, she didn’t get bruises, he didn’t make a habit out of it etc. Yes, dominance is called for. No, not to the extent of physical pain. It is complicated. The rape scenes do not exist any more in modern romantic literature, dominance does. Modern romance is extremely varied, you’ll find almost anything including “betas” (although they have undergone certain modifications on closer inspection!) marketed successfully in the genre. The most popular stuff involves a dominant male, but not real violence towards the female. You’ll notice just how creepy Edward is (alpha… or just creepy?), but there’s this obsession with how he refuses to hurt Bella physically (dunno if it’s as obvious in the movies).
Again, dominance and not violence gives attraction to a modern woman. If they wanted more violence in it, there’s plenty on the e-book industry that would pander to that regardless of political correctness and I’ve not seen any increase in that trend to be honest. If anything, I’d say the ‘standards’ for what makes an alpha are getting lower and lower due to the betas getting worse.
“Well I did warn him that this type of post would drive up his traffic but would also bring about a dark side too.”
Oh Lord, why didn’t he listen to you!?! You’ve watched Star Wars too many times.
This is sort of off topic but I have to ask; Chic Noir, Sara I, OMW, Cthulu why do you all read this blog? I’m genuinely curious.
I read it because my husband is out of town, my kids are all sick, the weather is shitty, I live in a forsaken backwater, and the last few days Roissy’s had the most hopping salon in town.
And I enjoy reading Sailer, Derbyshire, and that crazy guy from Unqualified Reservations. This is up a similar alley– the heretical, secular, crabby end of the Righty dial.
Bhetti B
There are roughly two ways of explaining why many women stay with “abusive” men. The one you mentioned paints women as helpless victims of evil men. Rescuing them from such brutes would justify spending lots of public money. If the Roissy version is more correct, there is a lot less reason to give jobs to people in the abuse industry.
This might be a factor in how the abuse industry paints it.
rum, outstanding observation. goes a long way to explaining why feminists cannot stand the thought that women may be staying with abusers of their own volition. money, power and credibility is on the line.
reminds me of this post i wrote.
Wikipedia says that Crhis Brown´s middle name is ´beating´
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Brown_(cantante)
Rum:
Always comes down to money! If a person’s life and health are in danger, I would hope the money would go in anyway, sort of like treating a suicide even though their dearest wish and immediate happiness clearly seems to lie within death.
I know BigPharma is real, but is it some sort of trend to assume some sort of Big*insertindustryhere* always exists and is always hushing something undesirable up?
my choice for comment of the month
chic noir
…why is it that few women in comparison to men watch boxing, football or extreme fighting?…
bc they’re too busy fucking the brains out of the athletes
playing
those
sports
Gig —
With the amendment that they were designed with the intent, consciously or subconsciously, by women looking forward to real or fantasized alpha liasons (whether or not the woman in question was actually an alpha), I’d completely agree.
Yes, nameless, I thought you’d come back with my association of psycho with high sex drive. I, however, did not conflate them.
You implied that they, by necessity, go hand in hand. I commented on that because that’s how you presented it. If that’s not what you meant, you should make an effort to be more precise.
You assume I’m a drama queen for putting up with drama. I’m telling you I put up with drama for the sex. Not for the drama. I hold the two concepts as separate but related, you squished them into an unrecognizable mush, only to then say they are distinct if we are talking about you and other sane girls.
You presented them as inextricably linked; I said they’re not. They’re always distinct, that was my point.
And don’t bring up your sex drive as being as high as a psycho-bitches if you then don’t want to compare.
Comparison is impossible, as you are attempting to compare what you’ve experienced — sex with the women you’re describing — to what you’ll never experience — sex with me. There is no objective measurement of these experiences. Your only counter to my opinion is you saying, “You’re only disagreeing with me because you’re not wild enough to know better.”
OK, dude, whatever. Go do what makes you happy; it’s no skin off my nose. Bottom line, and the original point of my post: “Some women will stay with men who will beat them” does not logically lead to “All women secretly want to be hit.”
am I the only one (and I HATE to use this term, but) LMFAO at the term “beat down game”?? fucking hilarious. your two latest posts on this issue have exhibited the kind of perspicacity rarely found anywhere but here. keep it coming, Roissy.
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How long will Chris Brown stay an alpha? Rihanna’s sales have jumped 33% and Chris Brown is losing endorsement deals like crazy, and he’s fallen out of the Billboard 200 and probably will be losing planned film roles. Radio stations in some areas have stopped playing his music.
Rihanna’s sales have jumped 33% and Chris Brown is losing endorsement deals like crazy, and he’s fallen out of the Billboard 200 and probably will be losing planned film roles.
chris brown is a short-term alpha, but a long-term fool. yes, though he has rihanna, he has likely hurt his career. which will probably mean no more rihanna after a while.
impulsiveness is alpha.
channeling impulsiveness to greater ends is more alpha.
No, Chris is a lowlife for what he did. He should now be locked up and become someone’s omega female (and to heck with these stupid biology terms, while we’re at it). The only “alpha” Chris ought to be involved with is alpha particles to make him very ill.
Actually you’re wrong, they’re back together:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20262240,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines
Chic —
“Medium and Dark skinned Black stars sold to mixed and white audiences in 60-80’s. The supreme’s anyone…. Janet Jackson, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston,and Jody Watley.
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None of these were sex symbol music stars Chic, at least not to more than a very small subset of white men. Well don’t know Watley. Janet Jackson I guess comes closest. She’s also the most femme of all of them. Though really I think Janet most became a sex symbol in the late nineties to white guys.
I would have done Janet J back in ’94 or ’95 big time.
@Dougjnn- It’s not whether those women were sex symbols but if their music sold to a mixed audience. My point was I don’t think whites are as skin color obsessed as some want to argue. I guess you disagree.
Given that there’s photographic evidence, Chris Brown will be charged by the LA county DA for battery and will likely receive some jail time (probably 30 days) followed by parole on condition that he continues to go to the anger management classes. There isn’t anything Rihanna can do to stop that now.
a true “alpha male” would never have apologized much less cried about beating up a woman. Much less his main squeeze.
this is complex on so many levels. For one Rhianna while she maybe talented, she’s also certainly fat. That chick has a huge ass. She’s got issues. Second Chris Brown, lets put it this way no man with any real sense of being a man would beat a woman. There are just so many better things to do. Get in fights with *guys* for example. His problem is that he needs to beat up *someone* so he turns and beats up a girl. Inside a car. What does that say about him? If he was really a man he wouldn’t even think twice about beating up a girl. It wouldn’t even cross his mind. Anger-management issues combined with a severe inferiority complex? yes. Alpha-male? LOL he *wishes*.
They’re both losers both dealing with the fact that they are successful and rich but still flawed. Same with whatever loser said that he was an alpha-male for beating up his girlfriend.
For all the people (ie. anonymous internet violence mongers) who want to defend Chris Brown, the latest:
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“According to a copy of the sworn police statement used to build the case — put together from text-message and cell phone records from the night in question — CNN reported that the argument was reportedly sparked when the victim found a text on Brown’s phone from “a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with.”
Earlier Thursday, Fox 11 News in Los Angeles and TMZ.com released what were claimed to be details of the search warrant in the case. The warrant reportedly says that Rihanna and Brown were driving in his rented Lamborghini when Rihanna read him a three-page text message from the unidentified woman. An argument reportedly ensued. The report alleges that Brown tried to force Rihanna out of the car, shoved Rihanna’s head against the passenger window, struck her several times, bit her and and put her in a headlock, nearly causing her to lose consciousness.
The CNN report claims that, according to the statement, Brown “continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand.” After Rihanna reportedly bent over and tried to protect her face from Brown’s punches, he allegedly continued to strike her and throw her cell phone out of the car window when she attempted to call one of her personal assistants. ”
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This guy isn’t an alpha, he just has no control. Also, his stepfather used to beat his mom, I guess this finally explains things. So put the alpha bs away, this guy is a loser plain and simple.
Roissy:
“many alpha males who have been in plenty of fights with other men hit their women as well. ”
yeah but how many alpha males bother to get in fights with other men? How many fights have you gotten into?
This is off-post. But it does summed up the culture that brought this country hip-hop and bad behavior:
If anyone wonders why racial tensions are so high in this country, they need look no further than articles such as those you’ve posted from “Disgusted White Girl” and “Black Royalty”. I’m a firm believer that people make you who you are and this is a prime example of why people become prejudice. This served no purpose other than to rile both blacks and whites. That being said, you’ve successfully provoked me to rebut “Black Royalty’s” rational, not to mention his sense of history. I don’t expect this to be posted since it does not flatter black women (much like “Black Royalty’s” article does little to compliment white women), but at least I feel like I’ve made an attempt to defend our women in the same public forum given to “Black Royalty”.
Dear Black Royalty,
Let me start by saying that, I do not intend to defend “Disgusted White Girl” for her poor choice in men. If she likes men who are insecure, afraid, weak, and intimidated (your words), that’s her problem. My guess is that no white man would probably have her anyway. The fact is interracial couples always have been and always will be sneered at. To her I say if you want to play in the kitchen, shut up and be prepared to deal with the heat. As for you, although you try to portray yourself as the upper crust of black society, there is a huge difference between being “educated” and being intellectual. I think you confused the two. First, you should try using spell check and grammar check. It’s a wonderfully useful tool. And whether you intended to or not, you did “waste your precious time slandering white people”, and if a white person had written half of what you did, they’d be labeled a racist; no questions asked. So let’s test that theory.
First of all, donÂ’t assume that every white person you meet has ancestors who owned slaves. Many whites are descendants of immigrants who had very little, if anything to do with any part of it. So before you go thinking that it was the enslaved black women who saved white AmericaÂ’s taste buds and infants, think again. We donÂ’t owe them anything. Slavery was a horrible part of American history, and it happened over 300 years ago. I think itÂ’s time you all get over it and stop thinking every white person owes you something. You mention black Egyptian Queens such as Hatsepshut and Nitocris (not Nitorcris) as though they are YOUR ancestors. So are you African American or Egyptian? They are two different cultures, so pick one and stick with it. The way I see it, if you are of Egyptian descent, then YOUR ancestors enslaved the Hebrews for hundreds of years (yes, during HatsepshutÂ’s reign), so IÂ’m thinking you probably owe them some type of restitution. Besides, Hatsepshut often dressed as a male and had numerous female lovers. ThatÂ’s some role model youÂ’re invoking for black women. Maybe YOU should read your history. And if you are African American, do you think that European whites were the only ones living in caves during the Egyptian dynasties? Yes, IÂ’m sure the tribal lords in the African jungles were very busy devising the geometrics to the pyramids in 1500 B.C.
Also, I don’t know what “day” you were talking about, nor do I know what elite neighborhood you were raised, but I’m 41 years old, I don’t ever remember any “days” when young black girls were raised in the church and were careful about losing their virginity. Maybe you’re talking about pre-segregation times when the moral fabric of this country was something to be proud of for both blacks and whites. I live near a large city where young black girls between the ages of 15 and 19 have had the highest pregnancy rate among all races for the past 15 years. And you call white women easy and docile? That doesn’t sound like strict moral upbringing to me. In fact, it sounds like young black women are giving it up fairly regularly. You say black men are looking for women to control? I assume much in the same way men like Bobby Brown, Ike Turner, James Brown, O.J. Simpson, and Kobe Bryant “control” their women. I would expect nothing more from a culture which glamorizes rape, murder, gang violence and drugs; a culture where it’s considered cool to be an underwear-showing law-breaking thug; where you’re judged more by the amount of jewelry worn and whether or not your car rolls or bounces down the street rather than feeding and educating your kids. Yes, if you’re looking for a virtuous woman to be a mother to your children, I’m sure you can find your pick of them dancing in hip-hop videos. Perhaps if more young black women took the time to actually parent their illegitimate children, the cities would be a better place to live and public schools would be a safe place to send your kids.
You also mention the strength of black women. Are you sure youÂ’re not confusing strength with being loud-mouthed and belligerent? Or by strength, do you imply exploiting government assistance programs rather than striving to achieve prosperity on your own? Come to think of it, youÂ’re right. Black women do get pretty strong if you threaten to end the government gravy train. Or is that loud-mouthed and belligerent? I can never tell. But to that end, if you want the government to support you, maybe you should move to France. And by the way, why is it that black women get their hair straightened, softened and highlighted? It couldnÂ’t possibly be that they want their hair to look more like that of a white womanÂ’s could it?
The bottom line is that if you believe all black women to be African Queens, youÂ’re entitled to your opinion. At least now I know why I canÂ’t get good service at a McDonaldÂ’s restaurant…too many queens working there I suppose. But I have a virtuous woman who is strong, intelligent, beautiful, and would be a fantastic wife, mother and soul mate if given the chance. To top it all off, sheÂ’s white! But if I ever decide to find a woman who is lazy, loud, quarrelsome, and confrontational, IÂ’ll be sure to try your side of the fence. And if I sound like a racist, I sincerely donÂ’t mean to; after all, no offense taken, none given, right?
What Black women really resent is how White people pass judgment on domestic violence among Blacks while ignoring their dramas in the White community. They also resent the media lynching of Chris Brown, seeing another Black men torn down from stardom. I hope people understand the message.
He pleaded guilty.
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“irrational confidence = lots o ladies.
rational defeatism = lots o rosy palm.”
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You mean to say “roissy palm”?
La Reyna
“What Black women really resent is how White people pass judgment on domestic violence among Blacks while ignoring their dramas in the White community. They also resent the media lynching of Chris Brown, seeing another Black men torn down from stardom. I hope people understand the message.”
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So black women stick up for black men more than they do their own sisters?
That’s exactly what http://www.whataboutourdaughters.com is about!
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all i know is that more and more sleek and sexy w educated and elehite women are openly consorting with young criminal black thugs. just check out any afterhours dance club.
all i know is that more and more sleek and sexy white women are openly consorting with young criminal black thugs. just check out any afterhours dance club. educated and elegant white women crave black cock big time and love to engage in rough and often violent anonymous sex with black thugs who have enormous cocks.
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Hey Chic, what do you say to a woman who has two black eyes?
Nothing, you already told her twice.
(rimshot) Enjoy the veal!
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