“Wait, just let me grab my phone.”
She leaned over my lap, arching her back so her round ass was sticking up in the air. Her jeans were skin tight. “That’s a funny ringtone you’ve got.”
She looked back at me coyly, holding her phone loosely in one hand. “What do you think?”
“Of what?”
“This.” She wiggled her rump. “You like my ass?”
“It’s juicy.” I rested my hand on one cheek, proud of myself that I didn’t have to lie about the quality of her ass.
“MMmmm. Would you like to spank me?”
I gave her a playful spank, making sure to hit both cheeks at once. spank.
“Oh, yeees.” Her eyes were closed. “Hi, Mom…. no, I’m fine… I’m at Amanda’s. Yes, Amanda’s… YES! Yeah.”
“You’re talking to your Mom?!”
“Bye!” Her ass scooted up a little more. “She’s always so worried about me. Spank me again?”
spank.
“MMmmmMMMmmm… uh huhh agaaaain…”
spank spank spank.
“Woooo. Do you like hitting my ass?”
“It’s acceptable.” SPANK. SPANK.
“Oh wow, that feels good. I like it when you hit me harder.” Her hips were grinding mechanically. “Keep going. Hit as hard as you like.”
I hauled off on her ass. SPANK… SPANK!
“MM MM MM!” Humid warmth radiated from her crotch. “Harder harder please please please.”
“Did I say you could talk?” I was throwing myself into the absurd unfolding scene. “I’ll be the judge of how hard I hit you.”
“Yes, siiiir!” she chirped. She was considerably younger than me.
Spank spank spank spank. Her phone rang again.
“Hi… yeah, I’m OK…” She spoke more words into the phone. “Okaaaay… *sigh*… I’ll call you later.”
“Your Mom?”
“No, my brother. He’s just checking up on me.” She smiled wistfully. “I love them so much.”
A stimulus package of sadistic contempt surged through my veins. I really wanted to inflict pain on this chick. “That’s… sweet.” I stretched my arm behind my head like a pitcher preparing to throw a fastball and sent it hurtling, open-palmed, as fast and as hard as I could into her fleshy bottom.
WHACK!!
“Unghnuu.. uh huhhhh…. oh god….” Did she just come? “Do you want to use something on me?”
“Stop talking.” WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK.
“Oh oh oh oh… my god… leave a mark.”
“Get off.” I pushed her off my lap and walked into the kitchen to retrieve a big metal spoon. From my bedroom her phone rang with its annoyingly quirky ringtone.
“*words words words*… yes, Mom, I promise… Ok, everything is FINE. OK! I love you too. Bye.”
I walked into my bedroom. She was naked on my bed, on all fours, her ass turned toward me. She looked over her shoulder at me. “I’m waiting.”
“Your Mom again??”
“Oh… yeah. She calls, like, 15 times a night. She doesn’t trust me.” She started drawing invisible figure eights in the air with her arched buttocks.
“15 times? Does she know you’re here?”
“HA! No way, I told her I’m at a friend’s. Come here. I want more spankings.”
I revealed the metal spoon I had been hiding behind my back.
“Oh oh that’s really going to hurt isn’t it?” She didn’t sound afraid.
THWWWWAAACK!
“OWW, fuck.”
THWACK THWACK THWACK THWACK. I tossed the spoon and resumed hitting her with my hand. SPANK SPANK SPANK SPANK SPANK…………….. WHACK! Beads of sweat formed on my forehead. I was giving it everything I had. The sadism was strong in me.
“Oooh shiiiit… gguuuuhhhhh….” Her legs quivered. I could see red marks on both cheeks, even through the dark of the room and the light brown color of her skin. Her labia glistened with pussy juice. I looked at my palm and saw it was moist.
*ring ring ring*
“Wow, your phone… again.” It was her Mom. I spanked her while she reassured her Mom once more that she was at Amanda’s. There was no doubt in my mind her Mom heard the crack of my palm against her daughter’s exposed butt cheeks. She did nothing to stop me.
“Yes, Mom.”
WHACK!
“Ok, Mom, I know.”
SPANK!
“I love you too.”
CRACK!
“Bye!”
THAAAAWACK!
“Give it to me!” I positioned my cock (I had slipped a rubber on while spanking her) at the entrance of her hole and teased the lips apart with the tip. “I’m scared. Go easy, please. Please.” Scared? I wondered to myself if she was a virgin. No way. Way?
I pounded her from behind so hard, so violently, that I knocked her halfway off the bed. Her head and shoulders were dangling over the side. With each mighty reverberating thrust her head banged against the floor. Cataclysmic release.
…
*ring ring ring*
“You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.” It had been ten minutes since the last call.
“Hiii. No I’m fiiiine. Seriously. Everything’s OK. OK ok ok. YES, I will let you know. Alright! Don’t upset Mom. Thanks. Ok Bye.”
“Lemme guess. Brother again?”
“I have to go.”
“Problem?”
“My brother has, like, this special GPS thing on his phone. He can track where I am by my phone.”
“I see.”
“He probably already knows where I’m at right now.”
“Um. Yeah. Interesting.”
“I should go. He could be on his way here.”
“Fantastic. Are you for real?”
“I don’t know for sure, but he could be coming here.”
“Well then, let’s get you out of here. Metro is straight down Calvert. Go two lights. You could try a cab, too.”
“Sooorrrry… oh god, I can’t find my shoe.”
“It’s here.” I tossed her the black stiletto. “Hey, I’ve got one question.”
“What?” She smiled earnestly at me.
“What does your Dad do for a living?”
“He’s a physician.”
“Huh, a doctor.”
“Well, a physician.”
“And your Mom?”
“She’s a physician too.”
“Nice. Do you have a pillow on your bed that says ‘The princess sleeps here’?”
“Ha ha! I should!”
As she walked out my door, her ridiculous quirky ringtone pierced the air. “Hi, Mom……..”
I deleted her number in the morning.
……….is she a cutter, too? Does she cut her wrists?
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“is she a cutter, too? ”
No.
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technology that will make her brother a beta
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I don’t understand the doctor/physician distinction.
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PA,
she’s spoiled
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I understand that she is spoiled. I just didn’t know why she and Roissy squabbled over doctor vs physician. Isn’t it the same thing?
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physician…..earned a degree
doctor……..works in the trenches.
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PA,
sorry, got cut off….i took that as she’s such a status whore that she has to correct Roissy….i guess physician sounds fancier than doctor….either way the pedantry is a bad sign
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This exact letter was in Penthouse Forum in March 1982.
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Her mom ought to have quit work, pulled her wayward child out of school, and taught her at home under a close eye.
And she should have done it in middle school at the latest.
Relying on cellphones and the child’s own integrity to keep tabs on a kid-gone-wild is as stupid as bailing out a leaky boat with a colander.
But these yuppies love their money more than their own kids, when push comes to shove.
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Joey
Like GPS enabled cell phones were common place in 1982.
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Doctor is to Physician as
Lawyer is to Attorney (as Stripper is to Exotic Dancer).
Doesn’t matter.
Doctors and Lawyers are still both monkeys that spent way to much time in school, instead of swooping girls.
“She leaned over my lap, arching her back so her round ass was sticking up in the air. Her jeans were skin tight. ”
You should of made her put on a skirt.
– MPM
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guess physician sounds fancier than doctor
That’s what threw me off. I can picture a snooty yenta saying “my son is a doctor / my daughter is engaged to a doctor.”
But not so much “my son is a physician / my daughter is engaged to a physician.”
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Like GPS enabled cell phones were common place in 1982.
Forget the GPS part, cell phones, period, weren’t around then.
Peter
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Forget the GPS part, cell phones, period, weren’t around then.
From my recollection:
Breakthrough telephone technology circa 1982: the cordless house phone.
Mid 1980s: early cell phones. More commonly known as car phones. Expensive and with a battery pack about the size of a bowling bag (rememeber those fancy toys on “Miami Vice”?)
On-the-go people like doctors and drug dealers carried pagers and used pay phones when paged.
Early 1990s: small cell phones beginning to circulate among the general public. Insanely expensive and basically no coverage outside of major metro areas.
Late 1990s: bulky but practical cell phones available to anyone who wants one but still a huge status symbol. It means that you have to scream into it so everyone knows you are important because you have a cell phone. Phone booths phasing out.
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PA – that’s all irrelevant to the discussion.
I’ve had the parents/sister/boyfriend call when I’m with a girl. It’s definitely turns them into a pump and dump candidate, in almost all cases.
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This story is hilarious.
I have good news to report on skills gleaned from this blog.
After your piece yesterday I was giving it to my 9 gf last night doggystyle. I usually do occasional spanks and some hair-pulling but I wanted to do it a bit harder and more dominately last night to see if I could tell a difference in her.
So, after a bit of warmup, I gave it to her at my usual RagTag angle right on her g-spot that gets her off in 10-15 minutes. Switched over to doggy style and pulled her hair extra hard to the point she was yelling “Ow!!” Her face was nearly facing the ceiling at that point. I started spanking her harder than usual, then way harder at “leave a bruise” strength. She was yelping in pain and wanted to like it but was certainly in pain. I eventually came about after about 15 minutes.
Results: Inconclusive. Will continue working.
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Mid 1980s: early cell phones. More commonly known as car phones. Expensive and with a battery pack about the size of a bowling bag (rememeber those fancy toys on “Miami Vice”?)
The first car phone I saw was in 1989 or possibly early 1990, it was quite an amazing sight. I didn’t get my first car phone until 1993 and my first pocket phone until 1999 or 2000.
There actually were car phones in the United States prior to the development of cell technology, going back to the 1950’s or even earlier. They were expensive and the system’s capacity was extremely limited, if I’m not mistaken only larger cities had service and only one or two calls at a time per city could be handled.
Peter
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Ive got a feeling the “mother” and “brother” were her boyfriend.
““My brother has, like, this special GPS thing on his phone. He can track where I am by my phone.”
I have heard that some new cell phones have such features, but haven’t checked into it myself for verification. It will certainly make cheating a much more interesting excercise if these become legion.
A private detective once did an interview on the now defunct (because he is dead) Les Jameson radio talk show. This was about 1993 or thereabouts. The detective stated that about 2/3 to 3/4 of the time, when a client contacted him and wanted a spouse tailed for evidence of infidelity, there was indeed infidelity going on. So if you feel strongly enough that your husband/wife or BF/GF is cheating on you, and you would be willing to use a detective if money weren’t an issue to find out for sure……………….your intuition is probably right and they more often than not ARE cheating on you.
The BF shouldn’t get mad though…………………….he should act “dumb” about it, and start cheating himself. When he finds a babe he likes just as much, he should hop to the new lilly pad and keep nibbling off the old one if he can get away with it.
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Mid 90’s:
“Cloned” or “Chipped” Cell phones were all the rage.
Free calls.
Those were the best.
Especially for “Grey Area” Commerce.
I really miss Pay Phones.
– MPM
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The first car phone I saw was in 1989 or possibly early 1990, it was quite an amazing sight.
Dontcha remember the little antenna on the back window thing from the mid-1980s? Some folks would buy the antenna without a phone, just as a status symbol.
I also remember the 2lb brick cell – when was that, 1985?
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Why does coming from a good family make you reject material?
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For real, whos mom or brother calls THAT often unless she’s in Middle School? In which case I’d say, GODDAMN roissy! Seriously, I gotta agree with a couple of the commenters above. That whole situation smells like the boyfriend trying to keep tabs on his skank.
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z:
Ive got a feeling the “mother” and “brother” were her boyfriend.
Why would you speculate on the details of a made-up story? This is no different than debating whether Batman could beat Spiderman. I remember having that conversation when I was about 7.
RagTag:
After your piece yesterday I was giving it to my 9 gf last night doggystyle
Words fail me. Can’t you people see how fucking embarrassing this kind of crap is?
Telling people on the internet that you just nailed your “9” girlfriend doggystyle will achieve only one thing: it’ll prove that you’re the kind of guy who feels the need to tell people on the internet that he just nailed his “9” girlfriend doggystyle.
That’s it.
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If she’s saying “mom” on the phone to her boyfriend, won’t he smell a rat?
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“Why would you speculate on the details of a made-up story? This is no different than debating whether Batman could beat Spiderman.”
I always debate with old-school heavies about who would win between Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali.
Answer:
Muhammad Ali would win.
– MPM
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I fully believe it was her mother – girls talk to their parents ALL THE TIME, I never understood it. Who could possibly care about the minutia of someone’s day, even if they are your child?
You could over analyze it all day, but it’s not a good sign. Clearly this isn’t the first time that some chick’s phone is ringing off the hook because her siblings/parents know she batshit.
Same girl who walks home after a night of getting plowed by a stranger only to vow to not drink again. You know she’ll be at the bar in 12 hours.
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Was she at least 18 Roissy? I hope this is made up and didn’t really happen to you…how embarassing!
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If she’s saying “mom” on the phone to her boyfriend, won’t he smell a rat?
If the boyfriend has close ties with the mom, who’s to say they’re not in collusion?
G, totally agree. Ali, hands down.
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The G Manifesto:
I always debate with old-school heavies about who would win between Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali.
Sure, those two are real persons. The blog character “Roissy”, on the other hand, is not synonymous with the man writing this stuff, and the women who appear in the stories are probably even less real.
Oh well, it’s a well known fact that nerds like suspending their disbelief. They’ve had lots of practice: sci-fi, roleplaying games, Rush lyrics… and so on. We’ll just add Roissy’s blog to the list.
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Paul Atreides hit it right on the head. CHRIST some of you people are nerds.
IT’S A STORY.
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well, Paul hit it right with the first comment anyway.
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I feel like people underestimate Iron Mike. Tyson was a great one. No flash, no style. All speed, power, and solid execution of the basics.
Heavyweight champion at age 20 despite being 5’10”. That’s what work ethic and a slightly sadistic personality will get you.
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women who appear in the stories are probably even less real.
*snicker*
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people like Paul who doubt the veracity of these stories just have never experienced anything of the sort – they think these things happen only in pornos.
Is the story hyperbolic? Definitely. It suppose to be entertaining. Is the underlying truth dead on? Yes.
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<i. Is the story hyperbolic? Definitely. It suppose to be entertaining. Is the underlying truth dead on? Yes
Agreed. Barring some literary license and embellishment, nothing in that story is implausible or contrary to my own general experience.
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Marciano was 5’10”. Tyson 5′ 11-1/2″ Ali by TKO 8th.
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Haha,
I’m sorry..but…um, what’s the underlying truth of this post?
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Sounds like a typical Indian bitch.
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Here’s a hopefully more ‘believeable’ example:
I dated a girl who had just ended a 3 year relationship – the guy wasn’t so sure it was over. He’d call, and call, and call. I’d make her answer it just so he’d stop. She’d lie, tell him she was at her place, etc. Then we’d resume whatever we might be doing.
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girls will lie to even their mother if they’re horny enough.
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“I feel like people underestimate Iron Mike. Tyson was a great one. No flash, no style. All speed, power, and solid execution of the basics.”
I think Tyson gets his due.
I remember all the kids back in the day saying “Tyson is the best ever!”
I remember I was in the (very) small minority claiming Ali would beat him.
Holyfield’s two wins over Tyson really hurt his historical standing.
Tyson wasn’t even the best Boxer of his generation.
Side note:
My little brother and I have met Tyson before on a few occasions and he was far from the “monster” the media made him out to be.
In fact, he was cooler and more polite than most “respectable” people.
– MPM
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paula atreides:
Why would you speculate on the details of a made-up story?
disbelief comes second nature to those who cannot fathom worlds beyond their nerdo horizon.
hahaheeheehoho:
Is the story hyperbolic? Definitely.
although i do occasionally spice up my posts with a bit of the ol’ ultrahyperbole to reinforce any lessons contained therein, this story is retold exactly as it happened.
in fact, in the interest of readability, i condensed events by excising from the story additional phone calls made by the mother to her dirty little daughter.
It suppose to be entertaining.
women are entertaining. intentionally or not.
almost:
I’m sorry..but…um, what’s the underlying truth of this post?
sublimated syncretism.
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roissy
paula atreides:
Why would you speculate on the details of a made-up story?
“disbelief comes second nature to those who cannot fathom worlds beyond their nerdo horizon.”
Well put Roissy.
Its so funny how people are such “doubters”.
There is nothing “unbelievable” about the story above.
In fact, it sounds like a regular Tuesday night.
– MPM
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Sounds like a typical Indian bitch.
damn, you’re good, son.
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Alpha: “Let me do you a favor” [Takes phone from girl, turns it off, flings it away. festivities resume.]
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Did she have a GNP?
Peter
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[/i]Sounds like a typical Indian bitch.
damn, you’re good, son.[/i]
Ah, that bit with the brother makes more sense now. Defending the family honour.
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^ Getting her out of there was the right move, IMO.
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Tyson in his prime would have eaten Ali’s lunch. What’s Ali gonna do, rope-a-dope Mike Tyson? Trash talk things like “Oh I’m so pretty!” to a guy as insane as Kid Dynamite? He may have actually been murdered in the ring if he tried to pull that shit. FUCK Ali in that debate.
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Also, that’s three posts in a row about beating on women…a chick just dump you or something?
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I always questioned whether the deep, sexy moans my ex-girlfriend made during sex were fake, until one time I penetrated her while she was on the cell phone with her mom. She let out a loud one, and then got really embarrassed, hung up, and yelled at me.
Guess they were real after all!
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The epic saga of Roissy plays much like a more explicit version of Seinfeld in which he dumps a beautiful woman for seemingly trivial reason only to fall ass-backwards into another beautiful woman. He even titled a post “She Eats Her Peas One at a Time” as a tribute.
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wow, her mother really called her that many times? that’s some fucked up shit….
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How retarded, except for this part:
“making sure to hit both cheeks at once.”
Whether it’s hard with a spoon or ever so gently, this really is the way to spank properly (PSA). Right across the cheeks.
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We have to remember that the Holyfield fights were after Tyson spent three years in prison. Sadly, we’ll never know how “Tyson in his prime” would have stacked up.
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Excellent story.
Ali was a clown, and not as good as you think. He had two things going for him:
1)an excellent hype man in the form of “unbiased commentator” Howard Cosell (who would’ve defended/promoted Ali if he’d been caught molesting a child and strangling it with the American flag). Other members of the press were in the tank too, but Cosell was Olbermann to Ali’s Obama.
and 2) knowing his limitations and his opponents.
Ali couldn’t out slug people, so he needed to exhaust the sluggers. He didn’t have the samina of them either. And with Cosell/the press screaming at the notoriously unreliable “judges” of boxing, all Ali had to do was outlast his opponents and play for the card.
In a no-round limit fight, Tyson wins. Ali wins on points only when his hype men start yakking. Frazier won those fights.
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Ali might have won the decision, but there’s no guarantee that Tyson wouldn’t have won the post-fight scuffle.
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I just realized something:
No dude likes to listen to other dudes’ sex stories, and especially the explicit details. I find this discussion of Tyson and Ali to be much more interesting than the consistency of the ejaculate of roissy’s latest ho. I guess that makes me straight.
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boru:
Also, that’s three posts in a row about beating on women…a chick just dump you or something?
it’s theme week.
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boru
“Tyson in his prime would have eaten Ali’s lunch. What’s Ali gonna do, rope-a-dope Mike Tyson? Trash talk things like “Oh I’m so pretty!” to a guy as insane as Kid Dynamite?”
Someone who has never watched many of Ali’s fight tapes.
– MPM
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“Ali couldn’t out slug people”
That is why its called “Boxing”
“In a no-round limit fight, Tyson wins.”
Yeah, and in a Gun Fight I beat them both.
“He didn’t have the samina of them either.”
Tyson had more stamina problems than Ali.
In a 15 round fight, Ali Stops Tyson in rounds 8-12.
– MPM
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excellent idea…although this blog has an overall theme, Pick Up and Game, focusing on the particular glitches in women’s brain through a week-long series of posts would be cool
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actually the second you said she was Indian it doesn’t seem all that hyperbolic anymore.
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Yeah, if she’s Jason Bourne’s sister, and she works for the CIA, and is on a secret mission, but just happens to have the time between stealthy killings to let Roissy spank her ass for an hour. Felt PARANOID much, DF? Time to start taking the pills again! The vast majority of people don’t engage in that kind of double-level deception, least of all some ditzy broad who likes to get spanked. She was talking to her mother and her brother, OR she was talking to a concerned girlfriend who knew where she went. Assuming this is a true story, of course.
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Roissy,
Working the term “syncretism” into a post is a literary gem!
>Syncretism consists of the attempt to reconcile disparate
>or contrary beliefs, often while melding practices of
>various schools of thought. The term may refer to
>attempts to merge and analogise several originally
>discrete traditions, especially in the theology and
>mythology of religion, and thus assert an underlying unity
>allowing for an inclusive approach to other faiths.
I bow to your superior writing and verbal skills.
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I, too was impressed with the use of the word “syncretism”, but I’m still trying to figure out how it relates to this post. What two disparate or contrary beliefs is Roissy trying to reconcile? Anyone? Anyone?
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Ali = communist = yearning for a nanny-state = beta
Tyson = no concept of social grace = conscious of the high value of his sexual and violent capacities = alpha
Ali had tremendous stamina, as he would often stand in his corner between rounds. Anyone who has dabbled in some sparring knows this is a ridiculous luxury to indulge in. The Tyson we romanticize would likely not have lasted more than a handful of rounds if he let Ali dance, as he was never tested against opponents who could take him that far without sustaining traumatic beatings. Ali, on the other hand, never contended against the punching power the likes of Tyson’s. I saw Tyson fight Golota in 2000. With a first round hook, Tyson concussed him, broke his cheekbone, and herniated a disc in his back. That’s a single punch.
I believe that if they fought ten times, Ali would escape the first few by dancing through the opening rounds and peppering in jabs later on to try to take back points. Tyson would eventually learn to amp up his intensity right away and would hurt Ali too early to allow him to overtake him on the cards. Series goes 6-4 to Tyson. One dream matchup with immaculate preparation goes to Tyson.
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Yeah, Marciano was 5′ 1O”.
He went 12 rounds with Ali and never took a backward step.
Tough shit.
Good Canadian boy.
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The sad truth is, Lennox Lewis at his best would have whipped Tyson or Ali at their best. He was just too big, too strong, and too skilled. He just wasn’t as charasmatic.
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CC:
Tyson is much less alpha than Ali. You forget, alphaness has nothing to do with political ideology.
Anyways, you think Mike Tyson was a capitalist at heart? If he even knew the difference b/w capitalism and socialism he surely would have sided with socialism.
Ali was much more of a sex symbol than Tyson. Despite his brawn and power, women in general didn’t find Tyson attractive. Rather, he disgusted most, which is why he had to rape one. Although it hasn’t been touched on yet, rape of a woman is not alpha.
Plus, subservience to the military, in general, is rather beta, as pointed out here before. Ali rebelled against that and went to prison for it rather than escaping to Canada. Sounds kind of alpha to me.
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Hats off to Slumdouche Jindal for correctly guessing Roissy was pounding a Desi chick. They’re closet freaks, as a result of their generally sheltered upbringing and the tacit (or overt) prohibition by their parents of dating outside their race or caste. I wish more of them (see: Freida Pinto) were out looking for action on the open market instead of sticking to their Indian-only posses and parties. A lot of American Persians and Koreans are similarly tribal. A shame.
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further – Indian men are by in large dorks. That’s why her brother is calling her, and why she’s so easy to pick up – she’s use to nervous guys playing nice.
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“Ali = communist = yearning for a nanny-state = beta”
Wrong. Ali is the most important Athlete who ever walked the earth. Alpha.
“Ali, on the other hand, never contended against the punching power the likes of Tyson’s.”
Two words for you: George Foreman.
Two more: Earnie Shavers
Both punched harder than Tyson.
If they fought ten times, Ali would win 9 of them.
He always found a way to win.
And had more heart than anyone. (Getting off the canvas to finish the fight with Frasier when he had a broken jaw).
– MPM
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That’s what threw me off. I can picture a snooty yenta saying “my son is a doctor / my daughter is engaged to a doctor.”
But not so much “my son is a physician / my daughter is engaged to a physician.”
That’s probably historical. All the classic Jewish jokes were made by comedians when Jews were still lower-middle-class.
And, yeah, Indians are the new JAPs. What I want to know is, was she a doctor herself?
disbelief comes second nature to those who cannot fathom worlds beyond their nerdo horizon.
I hate to correct the Master of Game, but in fact nerds are quite kinky, and seem to make up the majority of the BDSM community (from what I’ve heard). The girls, of course, are rarely above a 3…but it is amusing that there is apparently a sort of shadow world, a twisted reflection of the player/babe world, where ugly and unattractive people all have sex with each other. Look at all the booklets on polyamory at science fiction conventions. And I imagine more than a few of you have actually been to one, even if you’d never go now.
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Lee
“Yeah, Marciano was 5′ 1O”.
He went 12 rounds with Ali and never took a backward step.
Tough shit.
Good Canadian boy.”
What world are you living in?
Marciano never fought Ali. In fact, his career was finished by 1955.
Ali won a gold medal in the 1960 Summer Olympics in Rome.
Marciano, Canadian?
He was from Brockton, MA. (same town as Hagler)
– MPM
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I should have never brought up boxing on here.
People don’t know their boxing history.
I should take my own advice and only “debate with old-school heavies”
My mistake.
– MPM
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“Ali was much more of a sex symbol than Tyson. Despite his brawn and power, women in general didn’t find Tyson attractive. Rather, he disgusted most, which is why he had to rape one. Although it hasn’t been touched on yet, rape of a woman is not alpha.
Plus, subservience to the military, in general, is rather beta, as pointed out here before. Ali rebelled against that and went to prison for it rather than escaping to Canada. Sounds kind of alpha to me.”
Ali is one of the Top Alphas ever. If not The Top.
Was, and probably still is close to, the Most recognizable Face on Earth.
(also, the only person I ever asked for a autograph from. I was 12 years old).
– MPM
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Fabian:
Nope, not really but I suppose I’ve spent far too much time pulling chicks instead of playing D&D or video games. What’s your excuse?
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physician-M.D
doctor-Ph.D
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jackson
“We have to remember that the Holyfield fights were after Tyson spent three years in prison. Sadly, we’ll never know how “Tyson in his prime” would have stacked up.”
Good point.
Keep in mind, Ali spent 3 years of his prime in prison too (not for rape, for sticking to his principles).
We will never know “Ali in his prime” either.
– MPM
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True that, Haha. Many are socially awkward doofi. It’s always sad to see a hot ass Korean, Indian etc with a powertool husband of the same race. 9 times out of 10, she was pressured in to it. These modern arranged marriages are the exception to Game. Mega-betas are able to land prime ass through familial connections.
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josh
“The sad truth is, Lennox Lewis at his best would have whipped Tyson or Ali at their best.”
This is a decent debate.
“He was just too big,”
Possibly. But Possibly not. See Ali VS Foreman
“too strong,”
See Ali VS Foreman
“and too skilled.”
Lewis was more mechanical. Ali was more fluid.
“He just wasn’t as charasmatic.”
There is no doubt about that.
– MPM
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Did she have a sister who worked as a bar girl in Japan? Only woman I ever had ask me to whip her with a belt…
Is it true that the title of Roissy’s upcoming memoir is “Rum, Sodomy and the Lash?”
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oops.
i meant chuvalo. good Canadian boy.
my bad.
calm down G
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Ali won the Rumble in the Jungle by being beta. The older and smaller Ali covered up for round after round while Foreman punched himself out.
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A stimulus package of sadistic contempt surged through my veins. I really wanted to inflict pain on this chick.
A feeling I get with all jizz buckets now. Once I figure out a girl is low quality, I want to drag her through the mud. I don’t even get that calm feeling after I cum now, I just feel more aggressive and want to tell them how worthless they are.
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Lee
“oops.
i meant chuvalo. good Canadian boy.
my bad.
calm down G”
I am calm as the Pacific on a warm summers day.
Chuvalo.
Now you are talking.
That guy could take a punch.
Old-school G.
Sharp dresser too. Swooped mad girls.
– MPM
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Chuck you blithering idiot. Tyson raped no one and was thrown in jail by a chorus of beta apologists like yourself.
If we’re giving out epithets, Tyson was an animal whose demise came at the hands of the medication his handlers fed him to tame his rabid instincts. Grade: Lesser Alpha
Ali wore himself out trying to feed way too many mouths. Grade: Greater Beta
G, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. Ali had many impressive fights, but “greatest heart of all time?” Roy roy took a beating to greater heart this year alone. And even Golota fought Round Two after Tyson’s shotgun blast to the face (which didn’t even look that big). How can you quantify Foreman and Hearns over Tyson’s punching power? Knockout rate? Injuries inflicted? If nothing else, progressive sophistication of fitness and weight training should afford the edge to Tyson.
Also, you just gave out alpha cred for ducking an obligation to the military. I’m gonna dwell on this and get back after it after the Nets game. Devin Harris is about to run some more beta game (impossible odds three point buzzer beater? very ‘Slumdog Millionaire’).
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Keith
“Ali won the Rumble in the Jungle by being beta.”
“Winning” is far from Beta.
Winning anything called “the Rumble in the Jungle” is far from beta.
So is winning the Heavyweight title for the 2nd time.
So is beating the most murderous puncher ever.
“The older and smaller Ali covered up for round after round while Foreman punched himself out.”
What the first round. Ali laid heavy leather on Foreman.
And most importantly, as Ali always did, he broke down his opponents Mentally.
I have used the same template on my rivals in Game, to similar successes.
– MPM
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Off topic: Anyone else catch Bernanke today telling us to focus on the “greater good”? Napoleon the pig would be proud.
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Re: my 6:25 comment, I meant Foreman and Shavers, not Hearns. Got carried away for a second.
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DF:
Aww! Is DF just another “edumacated” fool with a hair-trigger temper? I didn’t realize that! If I had I wouldn’t have used something so subtle and sophisticated as “mock sarcasm” in my last post. I’ll keep it straightforward and easy for you from now on, big guy.
By the way, what gave you the impression I played D&D and video games? Was it my use of big words and proper sentence structure? That comes from something called “reading”.
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Cannon’s Canon,
“Roy roy took a beating to greater heart this year alone.”
Who do you mean? Roy Jones?
“And even Golota”
Don’t mention Golota when talking about “heart”. Ruins your credibility. The guy had panic attacks in the ring.
“How can you quantify Foreman and Hearns over Tyson’s punching power?”
I said Shavers, not Hearns. Hearns was a welterweight to middleweight. (Some lightheavy).
As far as Foreman, because he won the Heavyweight title 20 YEARS after his prime on Punching Power. Same can’t be said for Tyson obviously.
“Knockout rate?”
Yes. Earnie Shavers and George Foreman both had higher Knockout Rates than Tyson.
“progressive sophistication of fitness and weight training should afford the edge to Tyson”
Doesn’t matter in boxing. Tyson did not lift weights.
Also, Witness Foreman winning the title 20 years later.
“Also, you just gave out alpha cred for ducking an obligation to the military. I’m gonna dwell on this and get back after it after the Nets game. Devin Harris is about to run some more beta game (impossible odds three point buzzer beater? very ‘Slumdog Millionaire’).”
Don’t know who Devin Harris is.
Or seen ‘Slumdog Millionaire’
I know Boxing, Martial Arts and Swooping Girls.
– MPM
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Cannon’s Canon
“Re: my 6:25 comment, I meant Foreman and Shavers, not Hearns. Got carried away for a second.”
Good catch.
– MPM
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“Winning” is far from Beta.
In most cases, winning anything worthwhile requires beta traits.
“Winning anything called “the Rumble in the Jungle” is far from beta.”
See above.
“So is winning the Heavyweight title for the 2nd time.”
See above
“So is beating the most murderous puncher ever.”
Ali did it by recognizing Foreman was the better puncher and accepting it. Very beta.
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Completely off-topic, but how ’bout that chick Roissy was spanking?
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@ G
I’m thinking of taking up Wing Chun or Tae Kwon Do. I’m tall
light and I’ve got long legs so I’m thinking that would suit me. Any thoughts?
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Is it true that the title of Roissy’s upcoming memoir is “Rum, Sodomy and the Lash?”
No, it will be The Story of R – which is the Story of O from the man’s point of view and updated for modern times.
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STFU about any boxing heavyweight world champion being “beta”. Any of them would beat you down then rape your feminine ass.
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Medical student here.
A physician is a medical doctor who has the MD (or second-rate DO) degree.
Increasingly, holders of other degrees which contain the word “doctor” are trying to pass themselves off as “doctors.” I’m not just talking about English lit professors with Ph.D’s who get called Dr. So-and-so in the classroom. There’s been a whole slew of “doctoral” degrees cropping up recently in health-care fields: Doctor of Physical Therapy, Doctor of Audiology, Doctor of Nursing Practice. These are not 4-year degrees and do not entail study of anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, and pathology at the level of the MD degree, but were created to co-opt the prestige of the title “doctor,” and leverage themselves to be able to bill insurance companies directly without a physician referral.
Someone who is sensitive to this (e.g., doctors’ kids) may want to emphasize that her parents are PHYSICIANS and not some other bogus “doctors.”
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Unrelated subject but since the degree of intellectualism in this forum seems to be quite high I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I’m writing an economic essay and I’m looking for some pointers. Here’s the question;
“Define the elasticity of demand and explain why this concept should be of interest to those in business who have choices to make about the price at which to sell their products.”
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We are, of course, reading the first installments of The Story of R right now. Fact or fiction? You be the judge…
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“In most cases, winning anything worthwhile requires beta traits.”
I would be interested in your take on that.
“Ali did it by recognizing Foreman was the better puncher and accepting it. Very beta.”
Foreman was the “harder Puncher”.
Ali was the “better puncher”.
Which is why he won.
– MPM
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Hollywood Hotsauce
“@ G
I’m thinking of taking up Wing Chun or Tae Kwon Do. I’m tall
light and I’ve got long legs so I’m thinking that would suit me. Any thoughts?”
Any martial arts are better than none.
Depends why you are doing it?
In this day and age Gun Play is the best Martial Art.
– MPM
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Fabian, you never answered my question. Not that your answer is of any value but I wanted to point that out to you anyway. Second, I actually find your attempt at verbally dominating me quite amusing. Keep trying, except practice with a girl. Don’t worry one day you will improve. Lastly, if you had any experience whatsoever with women you would come to understand that their foibles will provide you with many worthwhile stories that at times will seem stranger than fiction. Of course, that requires experience of which I get the impression you have little or none.
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Hollywood Hotsauce
“Define the elasticity of demand and explain why this concept should be of interest to those in business who have choices to make about the price at which to sell their products.”
In regards to the Drug Market, if the price of Cocaine is too high, demand lowers as people shift to Meth and Heroin.
– MPM
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“STFU about any boxing heavyweight world champion being “beta”.”
You just can’t handle the truth. You hide behind your pretty lies.
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Depends why you are doing it?
I need a hobby, I need a passion and I also need to get fit. I’m in college but not doing any sports, study and party, that’s basically where I’m at right now. Since the parties have dried up been basically chilling in my room fucking around with house mates and that’s been it. I feel like I should be doing more with my time, something different from the usual. Thats why.
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Hollywood Hotsauce
“Define the elasticity of demand and explain why this concept should be of interest to those in business who have choices to make about the price at which to sell their products.”
You could watch episode eight of The Wire. Stringer explains why the copy place is subject to elastic demand while drugs are subject to inelastic demand.
With a product with inelastic demand, a change in price doesn’t change the amount the product is used very much. For instance if gas prices go up or down, you might change your driving a little bit, but not that much.
with a product with elastic demand, a change in price has a big effect on the amount the product is used. If for some reason vodka gets really expensive, a lot of people will switch to scotch or rum.
Me, I’d stay with vodka.
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mini-troll:
Ali did it by recognizing Foreman was the better puncher and accepting it. Very beta.
when you remove yourself from the direct line of sight of a gun-wielding maniac, is it:
a. beta or
b. the smart play?
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Me, I’d stay with vodka.
paging G Manifesto.
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@ Hollywood Hotsauce: Enlist. You’ll be busy enough. And it will be different.
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Hollywood Hotsauce:
All you need to know about econ as related to this board is:
A.) alpha dick is inelastic ==> a price increase is met with a smaller than proportional decline in quantity demanded
B.) beta dick is elastic ===> a price increase is met with a greater than proportional decline in quantitiy demanded
kick that one around in your head for a while.
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“STFU about any boxing heavyweight world champion being “beta”.”
You just can’t handle the truth. You hide behind your pretty lies.
Most people in this country make their living sitting behind a desk and punching buttons all day. Others take orders, fill drinks, or prepare food.
A chosen few pay the bills by punching other men in the fucking face until they can no longer move.
I give these men honor and respect. They deserve it for displaying courage and manly valor in the middle of a pussified world.
And I don’t consider them “beta” until they prove otherwise.
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roissy
“Me, I’d stay with vodka.
paging G Manifesto.”
Ha.
Yeah, I stick with clean Vodka’s, Big Reds, Sake, and some imported beers (started drinking these again).
On another note:
Roissy, not sure if you have an agent, (I have an insane one), email me: thegmanifesto @ yahoo (dot) com.
I was going to say some other stuff. Just email me.
– MPM
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CC:
“Chuck you blithering idiot. Tyson raped no one and was thrown in jail by a chorus of beta apologists like yourself.”
Hey wrinkle stick. Get it through to your stupidity storage device (your fucking skull, dipshit) that he fucking raped her. Show me evidence that he didn’t? By evidence I don’t mean citations from some obscure blog or unsubstantiated rumors.
Plus, fuck stick, you forget that Mike Tyson has a tattoo of Mao fucking Zhe Dong on his shoulder and another of Che Guevara. So much for your ideology equation there. Feeling stupid much?
“Ali wore himself out trying to feed way too many mouths. Grade: Greater Beta”
Not sure what you mean here, but I’ll assume you mean feeding his entourage and illegitimate children and what not? Mike Tyson is bankrupt. His entourage and other “mouths to feed” sucked him dry. Ali, relative to Tyson and other boxers, is still relatively well-off. So Tyson, wearing himself out *more* with *fewer* mouths to feed can’t hang. Alpha status is purely Ali’s on this one, my bitch.
I’m starting to think you reversed the arguments for Tyson and Ali. You sure you didn’t mean Ali is the greater alpha? If not, I feel sorry for the gene pool your children must be drowning in.
“Also, you just gave out alpha cred for ducking an obligation to the military”
Yes. I did. That takes balls. Fighting against an involuntary coercion of rights called the military draft at a time when the odds were against him and jail time was his destiny takes some fucking balls. Being cannon fodder for an unwinnable war against people he has no beef against is a sucker’s play. And as we all know, Ali ain’t no sucka’.
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ah roissy, another slutty indian girl
welcome to dc
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This is the perfect story for Roissy to write a post on. It takes place in DC area and involves whiny betas who think that money and a good job will get them girls.
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“I give these men honor and respect. They deserve it for displaying courage and manly valor in the middle of a pussified world.
And I don’t consider them “beta” until they prove otherwise.”
You think beta is bad/weak, so you missed the point. Ali accepted that his opponent was stronger than he, and mapped out a methodical and systemic strategy. Those are beta virtues.
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G Mainfesto –
Ali and Marciano never fought in the ring. Sometime in the late 1960’s, there was a computer simulation of what a fight between the two of them in their prime would have been like. It actually was filmed, exactly how I don’t know, and shown in theaters.
Peter
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roissy
mini-troll:
Ali did it by recognizing Foreman was the better puncher and accepting it. Very beta.
when you remove yourself from the direct line of sight of a gun-wielding maniac, is it:
a. beta or
b. the smart play?
Up to the men to kill gun wielding maniac.
Team of men with no weapons can defeat one man with a weapon. Happens when some pissed off guy goes to the parachute training drop zone with a rifle and there is no recourse but for the guys parachuting down to take him out. Got to be demoralizing when you have a weapon and those guys just keep running towards you with their bare hands.
Or like when you think there are 30 people out on the street there to kill you so you call your family tell them good bye and go out the door to your destiny in the tradition of your Ancestors who met life unafraid.
But then the funny thing is you live so forever after you get to carry your balls around in a wheelbarrow.
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Keith:
“You think beta is bad/weak, so you missed the point. Ali accepted that his opponent was stronger than he, and mapped out a methodical and systemic strategy. Those are beta virtues.”
You don’t seem to really understand the alpha/beta distinction. Alpha doesn’t mean good or strong, it simply means dominant; likewise, beta doesn’t mean bad or weak, it simply means submissive. The fact that Ali was able to not just win the fight but to do so by reframing it (so to speak) to his own terms is absolutely alpha. Foreman was the stronger puncher, but Ali controlled the direction of the fight, and that’s what ultimately matters. Besides, as others have said, winning is the ultimate alpha trait.
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her head hit the floor? how hard?
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Course the sex after that is quite nice. When your woman was telling you to stay inside don’t go out. Then you go out and come back. Of course in normal course of life very few opportunities for a man to do shit like that. Why life is kind of pointless without a little thrill to it.
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“it simply means dominant; likewise, beta doesn’t mean bad or weak, it simply means submissive.”
And Ali recognized Foreman’s power and submitted to that fact, which then enabled Ali to outline a methodical strategy, where he submitted to allowing Foreman to punch at him, but in such a way that Ali minimized the damage Foreman did while letting Foreman punch himself into exhaustion. Ali also used the heat to his advantage, leaning on Foreman during much of the fight, using Foreman to prop himself up.
“Besides, as others have said, winning is the ultimate alpha trait.”
Nope, beta traits often defeat alpha traits.
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“when you remove yourself from the direct line of sight of a gun-wielding maniac, is it:
a. beta or
b. the smart play?”
Both.
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Fuck boxing. It is a sport for losers – for one simple reason. The gloves used mean that brain damage is inevitable in the heavier weight classes.. No matter how fit someone might be, the structures inside his cranium are still surprisingly vulnerable to rapid acceleration effects. Every hard hit causes some tearing. Back in the old days when it was bare knuckle only your hand would break before you could deliver enough energy. Gloves change the equation. FWIW, so called extreme fighting is going to turn out safer by far than modern boxing because it is done bare.
I doubt if I am the first to notice, but the Neitzchean concept of the “ubermensch” bears an uncanny resemblance to to the mindest desired by PUAs. It was N. who wrote, more or less, “He who goes to a woman should take a whip.” And he was a deep Romantic, at heart.
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“sublimated syncretism” I get the syncretism, but where is the sublimation?
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Yes, kudos on “syncretism”, dude. Recently been discussing that in one of my classes, but in the context of African-based christian religions (Vodou, Santeria and the like).
Also, delightful story.
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Chuck
Just when I thought “alpha” and “beta” were starting to make some consistent sense, this shit starts again. Are you telling me that members of, say, SAS are all “betas?” You seem to be using the term beta to denote a person less manly than an alpha, so I guess your average PUA is now more badass than your average special forces soldier.
The G Manifesto
If you live in a place where it’s legal to carry a firearm and use it for self-defense, and if you’re in a situation sufficiently dangerous to warrant the use of deadly force. If some drunk is throwing haymakers at you, are you going to shoot him in the head? What will you do if you need to restrain someone? What if you’re in a position where you can’t deploy your weapon?
Rum
Yes, if you keep doing that for a long time you’ll likely develop brain damage (but not everyone is a professional boxer). How does that make boxing for losers? It’s one of the most effective martial arts in existence.
MMA is already safer than boxing because most fights end by submission.
Bare knuckle striking is impractical for training purposes.
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beta avenger keith:
“when you remove yourself from the direct line of sight of a gun-wielding maniac, is it:
a. beta or
b. the smart play?”
Both.
is the guy who is still alive to play another day necessarily a beta?
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fabian:
I, too was impressed with the use of the word “syncretism”, but I’m still trying to figure out how it relates to this post. What two disparate or contrary beliefs is Roissy trying to reconcile? Anyone? Anyone?
the sublimated syncretism is in the union of the female will to relinquish with the male will to possess as expressed through the physical union of my palm with her ass cheeks.
frank:
her head hit the floor? how hard?
hard enough to supercharge her orgasm.
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“Are you telling me that members of, say, SAS are all “betas?””
No. First, there’s a distinction b/w special forces and privates, which Ali would have been. No disrespect to GIs, which both my grandfathers were, but there’s a certain servile mentality that goes with being in these positions. Servicemen, *in general* display beta qualities when dealing with women. The serviceman’s life, more often than not, looks like this: boot camp, first assignment, re-up, get married to a 4-6, have a kid, move, have another kid, kid, kid, retirement at 45, work at Home Depot or start up an at-home computer repair business.
I’ve seen it more often than not. Servicemen, by definition, are beta in function. The chain of command, a hierarchy of decreasingly lesser betas, is their master. While this same hierarchy applies in many other jobs, there’s also the added quality of being stuck in that position. When you sign up for your first assignment, you’re stuck for several years. When you re-up, another several years.
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My general point was to remind anyone who does not already know that hard hits to the head are always bad news. They can happen for all sorts of reasons but no sane person would volunteer for a situation where they happen as a matter of course.
I have had the experience of looking down a gun barrel. Alpha/beta; you don’t give a fuck at moments like that. Time slows to a crawl, mental life goes primitive and the only things that count are your luck and the soundness of your instincts&reactions.
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Chuck
They are all subservient to the military, so in this case there is no difference between regular troops and special forces. In fact, to join special forces takes a lot of commitment and motivation, so a special forces soldier is actually even more subservient to the military.
What definition would that be? There must be a hundred definitions for alpha and beta, and posters here rarely state what definitions they’re using. If you mean that they’re beta because they are subject to the authority of someone else, then everyone is a beta. A civilian usually works for someone else, and even if he is self-employed or unemployed he is still subject to the authority of… the authorities. I guess the only alpha currently in existence is Obama.
Why is everyone here obsessed with classifying every person as either an alpha or a beta, according to some established or arbitrary criteria, and usually with the unspoken assumption that a beta is a lesser human being?
Rum
I doubt the health effects are anything to worry about if you box recreationally or as an amateur.
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She was Indian? You sure there’s wasn’t some hair on that ass/lower back? No problem with that… ok you are an open minded man.
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By the way… why didn’t she just turn off her phone? Normal people just say “battery died” or “phone was out of range.” Weird…
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Fuck boxing. It is a sport for losers – for one simple reason. The gloves used mean that brain damage is inevitable in the heavier weight classes.. No matter how fit someone might be, the structures inside his cranium are still surprisingly vulnerable to rapid acceleration effects. Every hard hit causes some tearing.
Nobody cares if you preserve your pathetic little life as long as possible. Nobody will remember the accounts you audited, sitting behind a desk and getting bald and fat, fucking the occasional warpig too drunk to say “no”.
Ali is immortal. He will inspire boys to take risks and become great men for centuries to come.
So fuck you.
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“Ali is immortal. He will inspire boys to take risks and become great men for centuries to come.”
A shambling stumbling slurring wreck of an immortal… sic transit gloria blah blah… in the end we’re all dust.
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Wow.
I think I smacked around at least 7 people on this Roissy post.
Word to the wise:
Don’t step to me about Boxing, Girls, and Life.
I own those categories.
Time to go out and swoop girls.
Peace!
– MPM
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7-0 with 7 KO’s.
Very Ali-like.
Very Alpha.
– MPM
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Track for you all:
Listen, learn, live.
– MPM
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Yes, her being Indian was obvious.
Giveaways :
1) Light brown skin, as Roissy said
2) Both parents physicians
3) Mother being obsessively protective/controlling, even if the daughter is in her 20s. The mother will convince herself that the daughter is a virgin until marriage. Immediately after marriage, will call every day demanding that a grandchild be on the way.
Such girls, even if born in the US, are very sexually inexperienced. Their dating maturity freezes around the age of 17 and never advances after that point.
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If you happen to have a videotape player, this is a great documentary about Mike Tyson.
LINK
Don’t think it’s available on DVD, sadly.
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Jackson
I have nothing against becoming an immortal hero, an inspiration for the ages, and a fucker of hot women. But it has occurred to me that there is more than one path that leads to that happy place and that many of them do not involve getting inevitable brain damage along the way. I mean, nobody gets out of here alive and there is no point in hiding in a hole but smart guys can pick their fights. Ali had no choice. If he had not been a boxer he would have been a street corner pimp.
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Back to Tyson v Ali:
G, Shavers might come closer in punching power to Tyson as experienced by Ali; Foreman does not. Ali beat skinny Foreman – 6’3, 220 lbs. Shavers weighed in at 215 at 6 feet tall. Tyson at 5’10, in his prime (for the discussion here), was still dialing in around 212 lbs. The speed with which he can apply his power is the ingredient that Ali never experienced and that I do not believe he could withstand. Ali looks like a tall middleweight and outclassed his opponents with that speed and stamina. Tyson had the hand speed and head movement to match, and if the tossup becomes power vs. stamina, I take Tyson’s power.
Regarding training regiments, I found the weekly workout Kevin Rooney had Tyson on through 1988, which did involve light weight training with extremely high volume. I remember hearing Tyson could bench 500 lbs, but this was post-prison days so not necessarily relevant to the discussion. I still give a necessary edge to training sophistication to mid-80’s vs. mid 70’s as it pertains to punching power.
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Chuckee Cheese:
“Hey wrinkle stick. Get it through to your stupidity storage device (your fucking skull, dipshit) that he fucking raped her. Show me evidence that he didn’t? By evidence I don’t mean citations from some obscure blog or unsubstantiated rumors.”
I base my judgment on Tyson’s testimony before and after his sentence, as well as that of Desiree Washington. Your evidence is that a pretty female pointed at a savage man and 12 people nodded. In other words, I base my judgment on my own deduction; you base yours on that of other people.
“Plus, fuck stick, you forget that Mike Tyson has a tattoo of Mao fucking Zhe Dong on his shoulder and another of Che Guevara. So much for your ideology equation there. Feeling stupid much?”
No I am not. Mao and Che have significant historical presence as warlords and leaders apart from their political ideologies. Tyson never earned spotlight by expounding his political views. Ali openly undermined the political position of the birthplace and arena of his success, the US. A little wartime service never bothered, oh, Joltin Joe or David Robinson, to name a couple.
Furthermore, Don King promoted Tyson wearing stars and stripes sequins, which shows Tyson never defined himself by any philosophical or political allegiance other than ass-beatings to all.
“Mike Tyson is bankrupt. His entourage and other “mouths to feed” sucked him dry. Ali, relative to Tyson and other boxers, is still relatively well-off. So Tyson, wearing himself out *more* with *fewer* mouths to feed can’t hang. Alpha status is purely Ali’s on this one, my bitch.”
Yes, Ali has a ton of money to share with his estate while they spoonfeed him. Sounds like the gift of life to me, ‘the true greatest sacrifice’.
“You sure you didn’t mean Ali is the greater alpha?”
I will concede that no professional boxer, let alone champion, or great champion, is “beta”. Ali’s special-interest overtures reveal an archetype beta quality. Tyson was stupid, but that doesn’t hinder alpha designation. So yeah, I’m sure.
“If not, I feel sorry for the gene pool your children must be drowning in.”
You’re projecting your own gray hairs. I’m a healthy young man without kids.
” “Also, you just gave out alpha cred for ducking an obligation to the military”
Yes. I did. That takes balls. Fighting against an involuntary coercion of rights called the military draft at a time when the odds were against him and jail time was his destiny takes some fucking balls. Being cannon fodder for an unwinnable war against people he has no beef against is a sucker’s play. And as we all know, Ali ain’t no sucka’.”
Yes, the Black Swan had not been written yet, so no one could grasp preventative war, except of course those who ordered it. A mandatory draft does not distinguish between alphas and betas. Enrolling in the military does show a willingness to submit, as you later stated, but this does not apply when that submission is state-imposed. “Going your own way” might be alpha, but patriotism is not beta if it’s your cup of tea.
To end on an unpleasant note, play Ali in checkers these days and then decide if he’s a sucker.
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G,
Your record on the internet is much better than 7-0. Why stop at Ali? You’re downright Jordan-esque, son!
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Fortune is a woman, and it is necessary, if you wish to master her, to conquer her by force – Machiavelli
Discipline neednt be meted out in anger.
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BasilRansom, you should convert to Islam and move to Saudi Arabia, I think you would like it there.
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Standing up for your beliefs against great odds, maintaining the fight and not shirking the consequences is alpha. Being prepared to criticise your country and fellow men when you see great problems and taking a moral stance for its ultimate betterment is high ranking. It is a trait of great leaders, like Lincoln and Giap. The US and it’s allies lost ignominiously in Indo China. Ali was a revered and respected figure across the world- and the most recgnised at one point.
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“The US and it’s allies lost ignominiously in Indo China.”
You might like to read up on the history of the Indochina war before writing stuff like this.
The US Senate simply abandoned the US allies in South Vietnam. That was ignominious. Never put your faith in the hands of Democrats. They are like women. Who in his right mind would trust his life to a woman’s whim?
I bet you imagine the Vietcong fought the war in the South? Not so. After Ho Chi Min wiped out the Vietcong by ordering the Tet Offensive, (Look up the fate of the Brownshirts and the Bolsheviks for analogous situations) the Vietcong became only a political figurehead to justify the invasion of South Vietnam by North Vietnam. The Vietcong organization was dissolved about 6 months after the fall of Saigon by order of the North Vietnamese govt, and some of its leaders became boat people. Speaking of women, some of the wives of these dethroned Vietcong heaped abuse and scorn on their worthless husbands, many of whom had spent years fighting in the jungle for their cause only to be betrayed at the end of the war by their ally, North Vietnam.
BTW, Saigon fell to an armoured division from N. Vietnam. The Ho Chi Min trail had became a backtopped highway by this time.
But, this debate is really beta. But, I can’t let ignorance like this be repeated in a high falutin’ blog like Roissy’s.
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Tyson was the best puncher ever. Ali the much better boxer, and as it’s boxing…
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“is the guy who is still alive to play another day necessarily a beta?”
He’s alive because he employed his beta side.
And learning any fighting technique requires some submission to a teacher and a systemic and methodical approach.
“I will concede that no professional boxer, let alone champion, or great champion, is “beta”. ”
You need beta virtues to succeed at anything worthwhile. Hell, game itself is very beta. That doesn’t make game bad or weak.
“Standing up for your beliefs against great odds, maintaining the fight and not shirking the consequences is alpha.”
There’s a lot of beta in that, too. You essentially risk/sacrifice your social status for moral abstractions. That willingness is beta.
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Keith, please tell me this is some kind of parody. You can’t be serious with this beta shit.
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OK, either Keith’s comments are parody or he is twelve years old.
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Fuck boxing. It is a sport for losers – for one simple reason. The gloves used mean that brain damage is inevitable in the heavier weight classes..
Brain damage is actually less common among heavyweights than among boxers in lighter weight classes. That is because sub-heavyweights often have to dehydrate themselves to make weight, which lessens the amount of protective fluid surrounding the brain.
FWIW, so called extreme fighting is going to turn out safer by far than modern boxing because it is done bare.
Bare-knuckle fighting has nearly disappeared. Most mixed martial arts organizations, including the UFC, use 4-ounce gloves, lighter than boxing gloves but still providing some hand protection. The reason why you don’t see a great deal of hard punching to the head in MMA is because MMA fighters tend not to be particularly good at boxing; if they were, they’d be competing in boxing, where the money is better.
Peter
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roissy definitely has some radical views on all things relating to women. People with radical, extreme views often have some underlying topic that is at the core of it all. I’m not suggesting a psycho-babble “his mommy didn’t love him” explanation. Rather, I suspect there was something roissy saw about the world that motivated most of this line of thinking that became the blog. One thing was key, the rest was derivative.
I think I’m starting to sense that, for roissy, hitting women is the issue that gets to the heart of it all for him. Everything else about this blog has sprung from roissy’s view that hitting isn’t what society thinks it is. Further, I suspect roissy has a greater desire to hit women than the average man, whether that man is alpha, beta or whatever.
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Roissy, can you tell us more about this girl?
How long had you known her, for instance?
How could she be so uninhibited?
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One doesn’t have to be psychologically abnormal to have views that today are considered radical by some. Especially since those same views were considered normal by virtually everyone from the beginning of humanity until about half a century ago.
It may be a challenge for anyone under, say, 30 years old, to appreciate the ideological changes that were imposed on our thinking by schools, media et al. over the past few decades. Roissy’s demolishing of today’s pretty lies is not a sign of psychological trouble. It’s a sign of intellectual and spiritual health.
I grew up in a Communist country that had its own brand of political correctness — crap that you nodded along to when a teacher blabbed on about it, but in your own mind, and in the privacy of your own home, you knew that the reality is the exact opposite of what various party appatratchiks tell you.
And I see many similarities between the ideological lies from the Communist era and today’s political correctness.
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Hell, game itself is very beta. That doesn’t make game bad or weak.
I see, so, to be an alpha, you really need to be a beta. It’s all so clear now!
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Wanting to be alpha is pretty beta.
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ae: One possible explanation could be that she enjoys the illicit thrill of almostdiscovery. Another: it is part of some sort of agreement with her parents/family that she is “allowed” freedom if she always has her phone on. Another: she suffers from some sort of disease that would lead to her requiring urgent medical help if she goes into a fit of it.
Lots of explanations; choose your favourite… I’d love a poll on it actually.
From my point of view on the alpha v. beta argument: Alpha gets more ladies and leads the tribe ==> alpha must survive at all costs to reproduce. Therefore, survival is selected for. He both has to take calculated risks which result in the greatest gain and survive taking them.
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The above argument can be summarised like so: a dead man cannot get laid.
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But not so much “my son is a physician / my daughter is engaged to a physician.”
To my knowledge, in the US the world physician means all MDs. But I don’t know about the UK and other Commonwealth countries.
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Regarding sports in general. Is cheating (and getting away with it) alpha or beta?
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Wonka.
I thought anal sex was his fixation.
Game is beta, at least to the extent it acknowledges men are a sexual function of women.
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PA,
Thanks much for sharing a bit of your past, as one who actually knew what it was to live in the shadow of Communist/Soviet rule in Poland. This greatly deepens the discussion on political correctness and the very real problems it presents.
Bhetti, I’ve been reading along many of your comments and find you to be a reasoned young lady. You have noted that you are a big fan of romance novels and the like. Noting that the bulk and mass of them are written for and by Women, how often would scenarios where the Woman is “kept in check” in the manner being discussed plays a role in the story? In other words, if I grab up say, ten such novels at random, how many would have said scenarios in them? Just curious.
Overall, I was hopeful that more Women would come forward and be willing to discuss this issue, pro or con, from their own levels of personal experience. While no doubt there have been Women who have done just that, it seems like that number is smaller than it normally is for this venue when taking up other topics. This would suggest that, as Roissy himself said earlier, that this is a topic that, pardon the pun, hits a bit close to home, indeed.
Holla back
O
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G-Manifesto, what the fuck do you need an agent for? What do you do, besides making asinine posts about swooping girls? It can’t be anything involving communications, because you write like an idiot. You also don’t seem to have the brains for finance, law, etc.
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Lisa,
There are different methods in the art of spanking. I am once cheek at at time spanker. To be more precise, the whole palm of the hand must cover a good, fleshly portion of the babe in question butt cheek. One cheek, then the other, then the other, sometimes repeating on the same cheek for some variety. Only occasionally do I slap both at the same time.
If you like I would be more than happy to show you sometime.
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beta apologist keith:
roissy:”is the guy who is still alive to play another day necessarily a beta?”
He’s alive because he employed his beta side.
is only a beta capable of making the smart play to keep himself alive?
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PA:
OK, either Keith’s comments are parody or he is twelve years old.
close. he’s a closet beta.
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momus:
Game is beta, at least to the extent it acknowledges men are a sexual function of women.
acknowledgement is not prostration.
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Obsidian, I cannot honestly tell you since I haven’t tried that experiment myself. I’m just going to show you a free selection offered by these guys:
— Here: 16 ebooks from the Harlequin line that they released on Valentine’s day (category romance: which is cheap, quick romance fixes which are occasionally very good, occasionally very bad etc): http://www.harlequincelebrates.com/
You can probably already tell a little bit by the covers and also that tastes are a bit diverse; the publisher naturally tries to cater to everyone.
Unfortunately, telling you anything more will require some research which will take some time if you’re still interested, though it’d be more interesting* if you did it yourself!
*Conflicting interests declared: easier for me too.
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But I can tell you now that spanking is a subgenre left within the edgier book/ebook industry! Or within H’s ‘Blaze’ imprint, which is decidedly much much more sexual than the other lines are permitted to be.
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That’s actually left me with the further question of how popular is male dominance in the romantica (romantic + erotic)/erotica genres? I’m not actually that familiar with them (except knowing that threesomes and m/m is popular):
Examples of the popular online publishing sites for romantica ebooks:
http://www.samhainpublishing.com/ — seemingly by far the most successful, generally a “softer” more romantic site. I got one book from them and yes, actually, it did have dominant scenes in it from a guy who used to be viewed as a ‘friend’.
http://www.ellorascave.com/.
Apologies to any of those who had misclicked, and didn’t know what they were in for.
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@obsidian,
personal experience? not sure what you meant by “hits close to home”, but Roissy’s thesis was repulsive, surreal, jaw-dropping. it reopened a wound. I recall my father kicking my mother ferociously in the abdomen and slamming her head into the wall. the memory makes my heart race in fear. I married a man who would never ever do that. arousal? impossible to imagine. I shamefully will admit that i slapped my daughter once, and made her nose bleed. I wouldn’t deny Roissy’s thesis here; there are weird , damaged subsets of people in all dimensions. I know two women who were hit by their husbands; the balance of power shifted toward the women when they 1) called the police and left him in jail for the night, and 2) obtained an order of protection. The husbands, I think, saw their wives as stronger partners after that. Roissy didn’t comment on the larger group of women who’ve been hit and lose respect for their partners, and dump them. I don’t doubt however, that a small select subset of women will associate beatings with love, and select a man to fullfill that prophecy. I’ve enjoyed rough sex play, and a bit of pain, but also I’ve sustained had a rotator cuff tear of my shoulder during play and had to sleep with my arm dangling off the edge of the bed for six months. Too rough. I guess the world is full of odd people with bizarre behavior/preferences/dysfunctions, some that intersect with sex, so most anything is believable.
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“Whether it’s hard with a spoon or ever so gently, this really is the way to spank properly (PSA). Right across the cheeks.”
It’s amazing how a victim of political correctness can ruin a naughty story in exactly the same way such preening numskulls ruin sex or anything else. I bet you’re the type who fucks to time motion efficiency studies and things you learned in books and workshops, aintcha? Dumb suburban S&M games are, of course, a pathetic attempt for stuck-in-their-heads women to be able to briefly pretend she’s being fucked by an actual man, rather than the bloodless, pallid invertebrates who will put up with them. The idea that there is a “proper” way to spank a bitch is as retarded an idea as giving your kid a crash helmet when they’re learning to walk.
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close. he’s a closet beta.
Why would anybody be a closet beta. I’m out of the closet, and I’m a happy beta. 🙂
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Anony with the NiceMan
That you made a conscious effort to go with a safe-seeming guy is a nice gesture. But the plain point of this blog is that most women are more repelled than attracted by such. Your oh so PC antecdotes about empowered wives does nothing to rebute this notion. The one thing that would do it would be for the mass of hot young things to display an open preference for nice, safe guys as sex partners. I did not say marriage partners. As a gender, you are losing the ability to keep guys thinking this is the same thing for you.
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anony:
Roissy’s thesis was repulsive, surreal, jaw-dropping.
flattery will get you everywhere.
it reopened a wound.
hott.
I recall my father kicking my mother
oh wait, you weren’t being metaphorical.
arousal? impossible to imagine.
how about this anony: clearly there are women who get physically aroused when hit by the man in their lives. i’ve been with one such woman. clearly, there are women who get aroused when their men yell at them in anger. clearly there are women who get wet when their men do something sudden and violent like punch a hole in the wall in rage.
and we are all well aware of the sterotype of amazing after-fight sex.
now, what percentage of women are like rihanna, and what percentage are like you? no one knows for sure, so we have to go by peripheral studies like the one i linked to in my post that showed 50% of women go back to their abusive lovers, and we have to go by the slew of anecdotal evidence that men everywhere can confirm by their own experiences.
i not so humbly suggest that the proclivity among women to have more earthshaking orgasms from being physically struck by a man resides along a bell curve, just like most other human behavioral phenomena, with the bulk of women in the middle getting turned on by an infrequent single slap to the face or a hard grab of the wrist and a shake, while fewer women at the tails of the bell curve are either actively repulsed by men who hit them, or actively drawn to men who pummel them to within an inch of their lives.
but the main thrust (heh) of my thesis — that it is in women’s nature and not men’s nature to get literally more sexually aroused from receiving a hit from a lover — is on solid ground. what we are quibbling over is the degree and distribution of that masochistic desire.
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What delicious viciousness!
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sublimation – Direction of libidinal energy to a non-sexual (eg intellectual or artistic) pursuit.
syncretism – the union (or attempted fusion) of different systems of thought or belief (especially in religion or philosophy)
So the underlying truth of Roissy’s post is the (apparently, libidinous) union of different systems of thought or belief directed to a non-sexual pursuit.
And this is how you hopeless dorks respond:
“I bow to your superior writing and verbal skills.”
“I, too was impressed with the use of the word “syncretism””
“Yes, kudos on “syncretism”, dude”
Roissy uses a big word the wrong way and you pitiful pansies fall over yourselves trying to make him look like a genius. Say, that’s not unlike our current president.
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props to MGM for the Ernie Shavers knowledge. He’s ranked by most of the heavyweights he fought as the undoubted hardest slugger there was.
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“i not so humbly suggest that the proclivity among women to have more earthshaking orgasms from being physically struck by a man resides along a bell curve”
Admitting I was right once again.
“is only a beta capable of making the smart play to keep himself alive?”
You need some, but not much, betaness to do that.
Ali required a lot of betaness in order to systemically think through a strategy of allowing Foreman to pummel him.
And game requires introspection and a systemic appoach to human interaction. Very beta.
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Perhaps she kept the phone on because she enjoyed the illicit nature of being in a sexual position with her family so “close” so to speak. It explains her love for a good spanking.
Was her name Kesha O?
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