And once again the Chateau worldview is vindicated.
The pair have reunited almost three weeks after Brown, 19, allegedly battered the “Umbrella” singer on Feb. 8, a source tells PEOPLE.
“They’re together again. They care for each other,” says the source. The on-again couple are currently spending time together at one of Sean “Diddy” Combs’s homes, on Miami Beach’s Star Island.
Aww, how cute. Rihanna and Chris, the two lovebirds, back together again. POW! She just couldn’t stay away, that girl! WHACK! Sources close to the loving couple say they can’t keep their hands off each other. SLAP! I bet!
Is Rihanna going back to Chris in spite of, or because of, the beatings he gave her? Answer: both.
Consciously, she goes back in spite of. Subconsciously, she goes back because of.
And science is slowly discovering that women’s sexuality can effortlessly occupy both the conscious and subconscious planes simultaneously.
A hit across the face, because it is an unabashed demonstration of male power, will trigger stronger orgasms in many otherwise normal women. I have observed this phenomenon myself. Think of a slap as Viagra for women. Lubed up for a long evening of hot sex!
PS: If you disapprove of this behavior, the way to contain this Pandora’s Box of human nature is to shame the women for freely choosing abusive men. Shaming violent men for striking women will not work as well as long as women continue to reward these men with their loving hearts and open pussies.
while i don’t doubt its effectiveness in displaying dominance in a relationship, i’ve always thought a slap (or flurry) resembled the throwing of a tantrum- as if conceeding one’s feeble emotionality of a bitch- while merely resting a hand on her wrist or shoulder and saying “enough” was truly powerful (provided it is actually intimidating, and a slap in the early stages of a relationship may do that)
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Any man who doubts the sexual power of physical violence should slap and/or choke his girlfriend the next time he’s fucking her. She’ll be dripping wet.
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Roissy,
It’s not the actual hitting that turns women on. It’s the high levels of testosterone, which turns any woman on in primate speak.
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2006/09/19/psychology/
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“And science is slowly discovering that women’s sexuality can effortlessly occupy both the conscious and subconscious planes simultaneously.”
“Slowly,” of course. As if that’s such an unexpected “discovery.” Another piece of common sense that emerges as fact as PC blank-slate-inspired “science” slowly gets broken down.
But as for the hitting topic, one of my ex’s used to frequently play a game where she’d grab my hand unexpectedly and try to get “me” to hit her face with it, and I’d have to resist (or presumably she’d be mad and stop laughing when I failed to). I was too much of an inexperienced, feminist-indoctrinated beta at the time to even critically analyze the interaction much (just figured it’s her insecurity, I have to prove my love by being nice, etc.), much less give her the black eye she wanted. Now reading Roissy’s tale of random-hit-leading-to-great-sex, I wish I could go back in time and give her what she desired and more.
The problem with hitting women (and I’m talking hard here, the way they want it, not a cutesy little bitch slap) is often not so much the legal consequences (especially if you aren’t married, of course), but that most upper-middle-class people just see it as white trash behavior, period. It’s just not a wise move in terms of potential loss of status within most desirable social circles, unless you’re confident your girl won’t tell all her friends, which I would never be with any woman.
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Heh… like D.L. Hugley says, you can do just about anything to women, even abuse them and they’ll still love you. The only thing you can’t do is bore them.
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“And once again the Roissy worldview is vindicated.”
Except on the Chris Brown thread you did some major hedging saying she probably won’t take him back. Do you even subscribe to your own world view?
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Just occurred to me, a way for you to bring together your “analyzing Game in movies” and “chicks are turned on by physical expressions of dominance” themes … How about taking a look at “Street Smart.” Morgan Freeman (youngish) plays a scary and smart pimp who really knows how to run his girls. I saw it ages ago, so can’t be sure there are brilliant long scenes to rip apart. But it’s a great Iceberg Slim-y sort of performance anyway. And the pimp-ishness of the whole thing should satisfy everyone’s anti-PC appetities.
LINK
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I wish I’d intended “appetities” but I didn’t. Appetites.
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I just happened to be reading the memoirs of a man who was the captain of a battleship in the 1930s. He was not a low-class man. He was well-educated and eventually became an admiral. Here is what he said about handling the ship:
Like many good-looking ladies she is inclined to be willful, and likes surprising you. Watch her always and very closely. If the moment she gets up to mischief you give her a good hard thump with the engines and helm she will immediately behave like a perfect lady – like her sex in human form, she responds well to a heavy hand when she knows she has deserved it!
Sounds like they knew how to keep their women in check back then – but this important lore has since been largely forgotten.
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You’re the man Roissy. Reading your posts reminded me of past experiences with women I should have hit but didn’t realize at the time that I had to be anything other than nice feminized beta. Thank god (if there was one) for guys like you and the PUA community. I plan on finally hitting a chick some day when I return from overseas and head off to grad school.
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like her sex in human form, she responds well to a heavy hand when she knows she has deserved it!
What happens when your thinking and hers don’t line up re: whether or not she “deserves” it?
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Then you’d be in jail; you’d better make sure she’s into the hitting.
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Ugh, disgusting, especially when they’re in the public eye. He’s not even attractive and only a boy. Do you reckon there’s also more to this? Wouldn’t you at least keep it a secret if you have an ounce of sense in your fame-hungry brain?
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Pam & Tommy Lee
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My problem with this incident is that it was NOT,as per Roissy’s example of backhanding his girl,followed by hot sex, a typical “lovers spat.” This was a serious full-metal attack on this girl by an out of control Travis the chimp idiot. He brutally clobbered her—he bit her fingers,supposedly!–and left her laying on someones lawn. HE needs to do time! I dont think this comes under the category of “alpha male attracts hot broad.” This Rhianna chick is fucking weird. She has been pushed to be the big entertainer,prob supporting her lazy assed mother back in Barbados. (BTW have u seen her father??? he is some weird mix of black and white,you can see a whole lot of white in Rhianna..tho I strongly disagree with Roissy’s description of her as “beautiful”. The dad looks like some kinda broken down street dude) Sick.
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If you disapprove of this behavior, the way to contain this Pandora’s Box of human nature is to shame the women for freely choosing abusive men.
Why should I shame women for liking these men when it’s obvious that they’re highly attracted to the qualities that these men bring to their relationships? It’s no different than shaming beta males for being sycophantic bitches towards women that view as Queens or for chasing big titted women that treat them like crap.
The best course of action is to help the women when they can no longer take living with their abusive boyfriends.
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Wow, has this blog already fallen in to the degenerate pit of pop-culture current events?
I thought there were a few people/commenters here with deeper sensibilities and well developed intellects – but I suppose I was mistaken.
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What happens when your thinking and hers don’t line up re: whether or not she “deserves” it?
She can apply that smackdown against one of the times she did deserve a smack and didn’t get it for whatever reason!
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lehuster
I was recently reading the memoirs of an American slave owner. Sounds like they knew how to keep their niggers in check back then! Clearly, anything that was socially accepted hundreds or thousands of years ago should remain that way forever.
But this doesn’t really have anything to do with “keeping women in check,” this is about justifying a pre-existing desire to hit women.
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Hey, what time is it?
It’s GNP time!
Peter
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tokyojesusfist loves to use the n-word.
smh
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Is there an evolutionary advantage to choosing a guy like Chris Brown to father one’s children for women?
Yes. In that such children, particularly male, will be aggressive, dominant, and abusive, and as long as women choose these men and society rewards a purely physical fight with no weapons for spoils, well that’s a winner.
However … the alternate strategy of choosing a guy who has ambition and drive, but relatively low levels of aggression towards women (I’m thinking Andrew Jackson) offers greater payout (and of course, greater lose it all).
Women who seek guys like Jackson, or other hard-charging strivers, with tightly wound control, could quite possibly on average do far better than the “safe” choice of a Chris Brown.
I’m sure btw that Brown will be even more popular with women than he is now, women seem to respond to that sort of thing like gangbusters. Every single supermarket tabloid and magazine had Chris Brown and Rihanna on it, along with Octomom. Women love love love that stuff.
But I think Brown will be zero with guys. Not the least of which is that he goes over gangbusters with the ladies because he smacks his girlfriend around, a strategy that has no serious consequences to a celebrity Black rapper, but dire ones for every White guy, and probably some Black guys.
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Whiskey, Chris is an R&B singer not a rapper.
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“What’s wrong with white men? In search of an explanation” – http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Men.html
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This is allowable perhaps in this particular ethnic community. It is not recommended to do this if you’re in a more sedate community. You will get a trip in a squad car. I wish Roissy would quit generalizing.
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Dougie wrote:
“most upper-middle-class people just see it as white trash behavior, period”
Probably the greatest realization of my adult life was that upper middle class people are no longer a desirable social circle. Most of them are lower middle class scions with college merit badges and dumb desk jobs who display virtue by imbecile SWPL gestures. But hey, if you want to surround yourself with bloodless invertebrates who think of themselves as being very clever because they really like to recycle, that’s your affair. I’d rather hang with an immigrant or working class entrepreneur than some clown who has an NPR chip implanted in his noodle. I’m not saying you should beat your wife; I’m just saying the last thing any member of the human race should care about is what some insecure clown in the upper middle classes thinks about anything.
Also, Whiskey, I’d bet money Jackson beat his wife. Andrew Jackson was an insanely violent man, gawd blessim.
http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html
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I was recently reading the memoirs of an American slave owner. Sounds like they knew how to keep their niggers in check back then!
Yes, and since then that particular group has done a lot less useful work and committed a lot more crimes than they used to under the old system, so there is something to be said for returning to the old system of penalties and rewards for them as well as for women.
Clearly, anything that was socially accepted hundreds or thousands of years ago should remain that way forever.
Change does not automatically equal progress. It is the height of arrogance to assume that the way we have done things for the past few decades is inherently superior to the way they were done for preceding millennia. Do we live in a better country now than we did in 1959, when both negroes and women knew their place? In many ways, no – and that is even true for negroes and women.
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How do you know that it’s female sexuality and not just plain old sexuality?
So,why just concentrating on women, how do you know men don’t like a good punch every now and then too? Oh, wait they do.
I mean there is that whole DS sex culture and there are plenty of men that love to get hit and choked.
You seem to see three types: women, betas and alphas. I think it’s just people. Maybe some people like it more then others but you aren’t even trying to figure out if they do or not,
Really what sort of benefit does anyone have by revealing that they crave abuse? I bet you like a good slap too, you just wouldn’t dare write about it.
You do however respond to negative posts about you….with a lot of thought….you don’t …nah.
Oh yeah and those people, errg women are all stupid hahaha! I’m great, haha, I’m part of the gang!!
Carry on.
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What’s also funny are the pussified she-males and feminazis condemning the humor of this “situation” while the victim trivializes it by spreading her legs.
ghey
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Another pretty lie
Sex with a woman who completely loves you is great.
Be carefull if you actually get a woman to fall completely in love with you body and soul and she is 100 percent turned on it is like having sex with air. Booty morphs from normal into an empty cavernous air pocket noone could fill. Just another ironic note to the bs.
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I will bet Chris regularly slaps Rihanna’s face while she sucks his dick.. that is how she get used to having her face slapped by Chris.
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L Ing
Your thesis regarding men secretly wanting to be slapped is one that fortunately can be tested quickly and easily in the real world. If it is just a slap it is unlikely to be prosecuted as assault; the main form of risk will be from a simpler form of justice. So, try it a few times, in almost any setting you can create, and I bet that you will quickly obtain get the data you so obviously need.
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—I was recently reading the memoirs of an American slave owner. Sounds like they knew how to keep their niggers in check back then! Clearly, anything that was socially accepted hundreds or thousands of years ago should remain that way forever.—
They certainly did. People (whites, natives american, asians, visitors, even niggers themselves) were able to walk down the street, go about their business and feel safe in their homes without worrying about vicious and widespread negro crime like we have today. Some additional data here:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html
Of course black crime is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to these depraved and primitive people. Stay safe.
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on March 1, 2009 at 5:43 pm Firepower
What’s also funny are the pussified she-males and feminazis condemning the humor of this “situation” while the victim trivializes it by spreading her legs.
You might as well name names! For Fuck Sake, she back with him. Enough said.
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True Dat:
Too many names to practically name:
BIG media, forums, local “news” casters (blow-dry teleprompter readers), stoopid celeb gossip sites, talking heads and all manner of vermin, etc.
They all boo hoo his givin’ her yappa the slappa – because THAT’S PC.
But, when she returns to waving her ass in his face, complacently feeding off the nourishment of his Alpha cock…those PC fools shut the fuck up so as to not draw attention to their fallacies.
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The interesting part of this saga will be to see what happens if charges are filed against Brown. We’ll see if Rihanna decides to lie for her man or tell the truth. I’m wondering if she’s thought that far ahead.
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Chuck–
“The interesting part of this saga will be to see what happens if charges are filed against Brown. We’ll see if Rihanna decides to lie for her man or tell the truth. I’m wondering if she’s thought that far ahead.”
The only reason charges HAVEN’T yet been filed in a jurisdiction like LA is that 1) Rhianna certainly hasn’t urged them to, and probably refused to say he did it, or is now retracting her story and refusing to testify; and/or 2) Brown’s PR people are using pull to have them not or more likely to get them to delay, and Rhianna’s are going along.
So yes if they brought charges they are afraid she’d lie. Which she probably will.
Part of the reason for that is entirely what Roissy says it is particularly in Rhianna’s world, or more accurately the conscious brain pressures in her sub culture aren’t as severe as they would be among e.g. a Jewish female high end attorney, but it’s also that the legal and social consequences are so disproportionate. That’s entirely the work of feminists and their beta boy lefty suckups, like Biden, who sponser the federal domestic violence guilty until proven guilty male oppression act. Actual the social shaming that the media do around it, far more effective in the upper half or above of the white world socioeconomic status wise than elsewhere, is the biggest effect.
Any ceo or top exec of a big US corp would have to resign if convicted of “wife beating” i.e. slapping her.
Yes that’s absurd. It’s also what they’ve managed to do to us, cause among other things we haven’t been organized or had even one lobby.
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When the trial happens she’s going to tell everyone that they were minding their own business on the street when a white lacrosse team came out of nowhere and gave her a beat down.
You heard it hear first.
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BTW, I realize that most wives of CEO’s or other highly placed men in the white world WON’T press or continue to press charges for these kinds of reasons — unless they are on the verge of a divorce or this was the last straw. Yes part of that is for Roissy reasons but part is also because if they’re still in it, they hadly want the horrific consequences for something that in a calmer moment they will realise, even if it infuriated them rather than turning them on (or also turning them on), isn’t remotely that serious.
Unlike all the massive feminist lies about all this.
Sure the serial true wife beaters ARE really bad news. The one’s that go for real injury in their blind rage or don’t care or are just heedless (often because seriously drunk).
But since the eighties feminists have been working overtime to convince us that (“they always get worse”): one slap not severely punished by the legal system leads to one black eye and busted lip and then a broken nose and then a broken arm and then GOD KNOWS WHAT. Which is in fact quite rare. Esp. among the top half or quarter income wise. Among the non dregs.
Make no mistake, a large part of why feminists when on such a campaign about this was NOT to shield the women mostly with men way down on the socioeconomic scale who really might do them serious injury. Oh no. It was yet another way to try to reduce men’s power. And yes, the ability of men in general, but perhaps especially beta providers or borderline higher beta (or lower alpha) men’s ability to intimidate them into not having or continuing affairs, and so on.
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Winston Smith —
lol !
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“Whiskey, Chris is an R&B singer not a rapper.”
Nigger, please…Big difference. And BTW, create and link to your own website, you lazy mammy.
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“Winston Smith
When the trial happens she’s going to tell everyone that they were minding their own business on the street when a white lacrosse team came out of nowhere and gave her a beat down.
You heard it hear first.”
God bless you sir. I needed that good laugh!
BTW———To be fair, we dont know why Brown did it, or how intense it really was. Maybe he caught HER cheating, etc. Maybe she got in his face and really physically challenged him over whatever, and he delivered a left-right combination that done all the damage in two quick, temper-losing-punches. Frankly, if a strong iron-pumping musclebound guy hit Rhianna’s pretty-fine-boned face with two blows full force, she’d probably have a severely broken jaw in multiple places and would be missing some teeth.
As Whiskey has pointed out, women really have no idea how violent men can be and how destructive they can be when truly mad (and not fearing penal consequences). If any of you have seen a parking-lot fight where no bouncers or law enforcement are around (I have, more than once), you know just how primal these events can be. Its more like dog-fighting. It can be ferocious.
One commenter in this thread has pointed out something Ive thought privately for years; other than the obvious use of getting more in divorce settlements and a leg up in custody cases, domestic violence laws were primarily pursued by WYMYNISTS as a means of weakening a man’s position in a marriage. In the “old days”, if a woman cheated on her husband and got caught, she could pretty much expect an asswhipping and truly feared it. Not these days. A guy can be put in jail and socio-professionally damaged (or damn near ruined depending on what he does for a living) for doing so. Then there is the bail, legal fees, court costs, and social embarrassment due to the endless-advertising campaigns. Im not “pro-beating” or anything, but I will say that a woman cheating on her husband is playing with fire, given a man’s natural response to that situation (which is to kick somethin’s ass—–even if its punching a hole in the drywall).
Brown’s particular employment allows him some slack amongst his fans as Whiskey has pointed out. A Asian/White accountant for instance, would probably be getting in the back of a police car after the phone call or the E-room visit (doctors can and will notify the police, and the police HAVE to make an arrest in many juristictions for domestic calls).
The comments in this thread have been really enjoyable.
PS………………………Roissy’s haters immediately thought of this blog as soon as the news of Chris Brown’s/Rhianna’s reconciliation came across the wire. I can almost hear the thoughts of that lefty-guy from the previous Brown post: “Goddammit, that know-it-all-Roissy heard this and laughed at me”. Yup, he probably did.
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z–
“One commenter in this thread has pointed out something Ive thought privately for years; other than the obvious use of getting more in divorce settlements and a leg up in custody cases, domestic violence laws were primarily pursued by WYMYNISTS as a means of weakening a man’s position in a marriage.”
He has a name and posted not 150 comments up in the thread but rather right above you. It’s dougjnn.
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Chic — Otis Redding and Marvin Gaye were RB singers. Chris Brown is … not them.
Lupo – There is plenty of evidence that Andrew Jackson, violent and dangerous as he was, never laid a finger on his wife and indeed emotionally depended on her a great deal. He considered resigning after she died, not willing to bear Washington alone. By all accounts Rachel Jackson had Andrew’s total devotion.
Women that get turned on by hitting are not worth having anything to do with.
There won’t be any charges filed against Brown. He’s Black, wealthy, and a celebrity. That’s how it works. Anything else would be “racism.” Tabloids are reporting that BRown is claiming “self defense” because Rhianna “hit him” or something. You can see the tabloids (all female oriented) shifting to take his side. Predictable. Alphas and particularly Black Rappers can get away with anything. Look at Snoop Dogg.
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Yup we owe a lot of it to the white balless men. the same generation that will be left to die because the cost to treat them medically will be considered impractical as they have nothing left to offer. They can’t be as good of slaves anymore and they didn’t have many kids to give a shit one way or the other whether they live or die. Of course the old woman who had there abortions and tortured souls will also be carted off to the same pasture. The younger generation will probably come up with a nice pc way of spinning it so it has the same logical sence as throwing someone in jail who cannot pay child support because they lost their job or are not making as much money as they should make. yea that never hapens to free people either. Might even help me confirm that there is no god if that happens and that life really is a waste of time to see my parents brought out to the field. Kind of liberating probably since it will be like wow I really can do anything with no moral concern because there are no morals and it doesn’t matter. There would be no God at the end to ask me any questions just some pathetic system in this life. Well who wouldn’t do what the fuck they wanted.
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I have come to the conclusion that decent western guys are tying ourselves in knots over a problem that only exists in our own heads.
We are the ones sticking around at a party where we’re not wanted.
Time and resourcefulness is on our side why dont we just “leapfrog” over the current generation of feminasi bad boy loving whack jobs by marrying a foriegn women when we are 45 – 55yo?
Time is on our side the fact is we can spend 30 years playing, travelling and going to the gym and leave the smoldering ashes of western civilisation behind us.
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Did anyone else see the cover of the new Star? [Boy does that sound gay] Rihanna is in a very submissive position lying down with Chris Brown’s arms around her from behind. Unfortunately, you don’t get a look at his face.
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OT, but holy fuck, here is the beta of the century:
http://www.financialdomination.com/beerboysaga.html
http://beerboyjoe.livejournal.com/
except “beta” is too kind. The greek alphabet runs out of letters before you get to one that describes this guy.
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Whiskey —
“Lupo – There is plenty of evidence that Andrew Jackson, violent and dangerous as he was, never laid a finger on his wife and indeed emotionally depended on her a great deal. He considered resigning after she died, not willing to bear Washington alone. By all accounts Rachel Jackson had Andrew’s total devotion.”
I don’t know about you, but like you I’m not a pup, and I’ve had LTR’s and live in LTR’s with a good number of women. They are hugely different, even though there’s hardly been randomness in who I’ve seduced/invited in.
Some women calm the most violent man with their devotion. Others intentionally challenge him at the most emotionally volatile level whenever they see a hit of weakness, almost, or actually (Roissy says) wanting him to explode on her. This has always been so but unrestrained feminism esp. in America has vastly encouraged women to act this way, while vastly decreasing the risks to doing so, at least among men with a lot to loose in the white world, by the means we’ve discussed.
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Whiskey —
I.e. I’m betting the very high T and violent cultural background Andrew Jackson’s wife was VERY devoted.
Of course he adored and depended on her in return.
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Occasional hitting of a woman is still the norm in SE Asian countries. There is no social stigma against it, nor is it even an issue discussed. Of course, battering a woman is different type of crime.
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Ya, that, and the actual hitting.
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I remember a short conversation I had with a rad feminist for the time leader at some large group leftist indoor rally/meeting at Stanford, I think it was SDS or some offshoot. She was trying to convince me to support something or other that I was reluctant to. I wish I could remember that specific.
Anyway, I said more or less: “look, I’m in favor of male female equality or sameness in employment and work, and all that, and of course birth control and abortion rights and all that, but I’m not into these politics getting into the bedroom. This is edging there I’m afraid. Into the personal. Into relationships. Because I know what turns me on the most and what turns my girl friends on the most and that’s a man being strong and forceful.”
Oh no she replied, not at all. The personal is all about individual choice. That’s not political at all.”
Then a decade later, “the personal IS political”.
This is a true story.
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Noir Inutile–
““Whiskey, Chris is an R&B singer not a rapper.”
Nigger, please…Big difference. And BTW, create and link to your own website, you lazy mammy.”
I’m not remotely PC. I find a great deal of what’s charged as “racist” to simply be searching for the truth about important issues without a demonizing agenda, whereas those that charge it are more often than not relying upon a demonizing dynamic. By charging “racism”.
But that which I quote above from you is simply unacceptable. it’s pure and simple racism of the most basic and clearly unacceptable kind. It’s not truth seeking but hate mongering.
Be scorned. And be ashamed.
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what? You met up with the same woman a decade later and she changed her phrasing?
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jurassic.park
Stupid asshole cunt.
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Patrick
Any man who doubts the sexual power of physical violence should slap and/or choke his girlfriend the next time he’s fucking her. She’ll be dripping wet.
Yeah sure Patrick. You might get kneed in the nuts too. It’s unfortunate that there are #1 many women who are fucked up to the point they would allow this and #2 many men who are fucked up enough to do it and #3 Patrick Batemans running around loose.
Speaking of fucked, Rihanna is completely fucked as the message she’s sending Chris Brown the message that he can pummel her face with his fists and then still pummel her face with his crotch when he feels like it. He will never, ever respect her and she is not what he needs in any way, shape, or form. She will make him MORE violent and he’s already (so he says) fucked up about being so fucked up.
This is nothing but two people who are sexually addicted to each other and drama in general. Just another stupid top 40 song in the making. Roissy, why do you waste your *cough* talents on this stupid shit?
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Leapfrogger
“I have come to the conclusion that decent western guys are tying ourselves in knots over a problem that only exists in our own heads.”
Naa man it exists all around us. And keeps getting worse. Got a friend paying 32k a year in child support. Every guy that is divorced is a constant reminder that we are not really considered equal.
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Again, while hitting her may turn her on, she can both be turned on AND call the police on you (thus getting you arrested and possibly fired from your job). If she does not call the police, her parents or sister will.
So while this does technically turn her on, a man should not do it. There are other ways to turn her on.
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From 1962:
Johnny Get Angry
Words and Music by Hal David and Sherman Edwards –
Johnny, I said we were through
Just to see what you would do
You stood there and hung your head
Made me wish that I were dead
CHORUS
Oh, Johnny get angry, Johnny get mad
Give me the biggest lecture I ever had
I want a brave man, I want a cave man
Johnny, show me that you care, really care for me
Every time you danced with me
You let Freddy cut in constantly
When he`d ask, you`d never speak
Must you always be so meek?
CHORUS
Every girl wants someone who
She can always look up to
You know I love you, of course
Let me know that you`re the boss
CHORUS
Johnny, get angry, Johnny
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny
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What will really help make it equal though is probably technology when lie detector tests catch every female and male lie and a woman can’t say she was sexually harrassed after sleeping with a guy multiple times just because he wanted to stop. also can’t falsely accuse of rape when it suits them. Yea that will definetly equal this shit out. When a woman can’t lie about not knowing she pulled the trigger or cry and get out of punishment meted out by government of course (not the husband). When the politician can be checked on whether he/she took bribe money to do things. When you can ask politician if they are committing treason against their own country intentionally for monetary gain. Should clean up politics pretty quick. Ask them once a month to weed them out. Will help innocent people accused of child abuse and catch the ones who do. You could just ask all people once a year have you killed/raped/molested/stolen in the past year and ask woman if they yell at their husband more than once a month. You can ask woman and men why they are getting a divorce and if it is a stupid reason you can cart their ass off to the gulag. Wouldn’t the world be grand. Coming soon to theatre near you.
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dougjnn
if it’s not the same women then it’s not a very good story. Maybe you should change the ending.
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FWIW, and I always do this when shopping, most instructive, the tabloids and celeb magazines were filled with Jen Aniston and Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie (their women readership eats that stuff up), Octomom, and of course Rhianna and Chris Brown.
I think it was OK! Magazine running with Chris Brown’s story that he was attacked. Women love that stuff …
But guys are going to turn on Brown something fierce. He’s going to be hated. Because HE can play that card, being a wealthy, powerful, Black Rapper or RB’er or whatever. [His music sucks and it speaks to the cultural decline of Black Music that in two generation we go from Marvin Gaye and Otis Redding … to Chris Brown. ]
Normal guys just can’t play that. While guys like Chris Brown can. He’s likely to be roundly hated by guys, the way Orlando Bloom, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Justin Timberlake are, only times 100.
NEVER underestimate male Jealousy. Shakespeare knew (Iago).
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L Ing:
You seem to see three types: women, betas and alphas.
read for comprehension.
roissy actually makes very similar claims about men’s and women’s attraction triggers. did you not see the post, sometime within the past month, entitled “all lust same”?
if anything, roissy believes that men’s attraction triggers are even more uniform than women’s.
also, alpha-beta-omega : men :: 0-10 : women.
you fail.
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OT, but holy fuck, here is the beta of the century:
http://www.financialdomination.com/beerboysaga.html
http://beerboyjoe.livejournal.com/
Isn’t that just a typical divorce?
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lehuster
I think it’s safe to say that it would not be a huge tragedy if you were one day* hit by a train.
* preferably today.
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It doesn’t surprise me at all. Back at high school, the biggest assholes always did most of the fucking. Back then, I would be the guy who listened to their complaints, hoping they would turn to me instead. No more, ha! It was a good lesson though. Never be “the friend” to a women. It will get you nowhere.
A few years back, at some salsa night (an event full of white beta males and ethnic alpha’s/non-white players, btw), I had a similar experience. A pretty hot girl who wanted to dance with me and started complaining about her boyfriend. So, I drunk my coke, got up while she was still talking to me, asked her if she wanted to dance some more, because, if not, I’d find me a girl who did.
Later that evening, back home, I vowed to never visit any salsa event in my life. I was sick of the collection of single losers who lust for people who will never want them.
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Shehla says, “It’s not the actual hitting that turns women on. It’s the high levels of testosterone, which turns any woman on in primate speak.”
Yeah, and it’s not the actual whorishness and deception that turns men on. It’s the high levels of estrogen…
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So why the huge concentration on women? Where’s the follow up article on beta boys who go to dominatrixes? Will there be one? Would there even be thought of one unless I had brought this up?
Also, I’m so damn tired of the bitter crazies talking about those horrible feminists.
Using the word feminist is like using the word punk.
No one can decide what it means, so it’s used as a filler to push opinions. Usually those of bitter divorcees or else just plain crazy people.
There seems to be a lot of shaming or else smugness, reading this is like popping a zit, it’s so nasty and infected, sometimes it even hurts a little, it’s closely resembling cheese; you just can’t look away. Gross. Ha!
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Here feminist is pejoritive and roughly equivalent to cunt as a derogatory.
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It’s easy to decide what feminism means. It’s a political ideology that seeks to increase the power of feminists at the expense of everyone else’s.
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L Ing, when a man goes to a dominatrix, he’s entering into a negotiated consensual situation. The Dominant (male or female) doesn’t determine, indicate, or alter their social hierarchy. In fact, a great many who are dominant and higher ranking in the rest of their lives, bottom as a sort of vacation from over-the-top responsibilities, or just enjoy a level of roughness most people couldn’t tolerate.
Abuse is something else. There are men who go back to abusive partners, and they’re shamed with exponentially greater frequency than women are shamed for doing the same, in this blog.
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“Never be “the friend” to a women. It will get you nowhere.”
Be a friend to anybody you like. Just don’t think of friendship with a woman as a pathway to sex (with her). It’s actually a pretty good pathway to sex with her friends.
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I always Knew you would be right Roissy, that wasn’t the question. That stupid cunt likes being beaten. It gets her off, just like you said.
My point was that Chris Brown, after reading that’s its good to beat women in the face, it makes them wet, Roissy applauds and encourages it, and no one took any action to send him to prison for assault – he’ll end up killing her.
OJ beat Nicole, she liked it, everyone knew he was doing it and took no action.
So let’s see everyone here put their money where their mouth is and start a death pool. Chip in five bucks, get randomly assigned a date when the corner will need to go pick up Rihanna’s head, seperate from her body.
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Momus–
“Here feminist is pejoritive”
Among just which more sexually desireable guys ISN’T it a pejorative these days?
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it’ll be the perfect portable blowjob device.
she sure can’t use her mouth for singing…
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I think Chris Brown and Rihanna are anomalous, because you don’t see stories about super-desirable alpha females getting the fuck beat out of them and going back to their man very often. If this was a normal thing, like cheating or making homemade sex videos, it would be in the tabloids every few months. But the only other example of this I can even think of is Tina Turner, who eventually ended up trashing her alpha and destroying his reputation (note that both Rihanna and Tina Turner are black – not a coincidence).
If this is the norm, where are all the starlets with rearranged faces? It would be difficult to hide something like this from the tabloids, so I think we would know about it if it were happening a lot. If it’s just the occasional black R&B singer who wants a man like Chris Brown, we should chalk it up to personal anomalies, or that it’s one of those black things we whities don’t understand – not generalize it to all alpha females.
Speaking of black things, here’s a bunch of famous black woman-beaters – but most of them have not done it to famous women:
http://panachereport.com/channels/hip%20hop%20gallery/FamousBatterers.htm
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@anon-C,
As I understand, you are surmising that physical assault is more tolerated in Blacks than whites, and I agree. Black women more readily condone hitting their children, and quoting the Bible , “spare the rod , to do so. I speculate that Rhianna’s parents assaulted her , that she’s hit Brown, and they’ll hit any babies they make. In that context, this whole episode is more comprehensible.
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My girlfriend IM’d me from home. She’s watching the view.
Desiree: talking about chris brown
me: and the fact that they’re back together?
Desiree: yeah
if its good or bad
me: who’s saying what?
Desiree: well whoopi said we still dont know what really happends
… this doesn’t even need commentary. It speaks for itself.
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She was watching The View. Forgot to mention that.
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it be good to know i only get the popo if i throw my pimp hand inna face of some famous biatch aiight?
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We all feel like beating on the person we love every now and then, but most of us have the fortitude and self control not to do it. This is respect, knowing you are both strong enough that you can beat the shit out of each other but not doing it. The world is a tough enough place without turning on each other. That’s supposed to be your partner; if you can’t depend on each other you’ve got nothing.
So, a woman is doing a man no good if she gets beat and doesn’t beat the shit out of him back.
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from above, whoopi said we still dont know what really happend
Again, another comment from a _Black_ woman, who is open to hitting.
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—But that which I quote above from you is simply unacceptable. it’s pure and simple racism of the most basic and clearly unacceptable kind. It’s not truth seeking but hate mongering.
Be scorned. And be ashamed.—
Oh, I feel terrible! Just terrible…I’ll say it again. Nigger, please. Niggers say “nigger” all the time. And “be scorned and ashamed?” Spare me. I don’t see anyone running off to live in Detroit. But let me know when you move.
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So, a woman is doing a man no good if she gets beat and doesn’t beat the shit out of him back.
Great advice, especially for that planet you live on where men and women are physical equals.
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Words and Music by Hal David and Sherman Edwards
Both…men.
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Anyone has beating as part of their culture knows its a no-no to cause bruising or let it be known to the public. And that’s in non-Westernised countries.
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Anyone who*
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have you never seen an angry woman, Wounded Animal?
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Yes, and other than a very, very few outliers, they are no match for an angry man. That impressive fingernail-scratching ends with one punch to the face. They can’t even wield a blunt object or knife very effectively because of the limitations in their shoulder joint, and are quickly disarmed.
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Noir Inutile, you’re a dumb jerk-off.
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I had one girlfriend who, when asked about the handmark on her face, declared quite chirpily and cheerfully that she received it in sex play, and that she liked it. Which she did. Extreme little girl.
I used to walk out of our house and go find her on the street and grab her by the wrist, telling her it was time to fuck now. She was so proud to be taken like that, and would smile and wave bye bye to her family and friends.
Some people really enjoy being physically dominated, and have no social qualms about it.
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You are technically correct, a man and a woman who start off on equal footing in a fight will end up with the man winning. We all know that the proper old-school way for a woman is to wait for her man to go to sleep, be enebriated or otherwise indisposed, then have at him with some heavy object.
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can’t believe after all racisst stuff posted here in past and fact roissy finally outed himself as race realist a few weeks back that noir inutile’s comment would piss off people. if you don’t like anitblack comments, stop post here! roissy comes down and vigirously rebutts any comment he disagrees with it. if he’s silent against us racistts its because we’re implitly in agreement. deal with it or post somewhere else.
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Why wait? Is it because you’re having such a great time with these women you neither respect nor like?
What is with the gratuitous racial insults? There are times when an insult is deserved. It doesn’t sting when it’s overused.
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Yes.
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I mean, why get married, when you can have a great time with women. And respecting and liking them is not essential to having a great time with them.
I don’t find Asian women to be more respectable or likable. The opposite, really. More fun, maybe.
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…under my dumb-brella, brella, brella, brella….
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you never talked about how to game cigstach…i’m really curious about what you were going to say
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I’m sure this isn’t the appropriate reading material for a crowd like this, but this is a pretty good piece on what Rihanna might be thinking by getting back together with Chris, including why women return to abusive partners, what it means when they do it and are abused again, etc.: http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/what-it-doesnt-mean/
Careful. “Feminist” views ahead. If, you know, being a feminist means believes that woman are valid, worthy human beings, good for more than just sex, which the majority of you don’t seem to. Enjoy.
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Well first, even the dark prince himself talks about how much fun being in love is, so your bad faith insult isn’t even right.
Can you explain how the article boils down to more than she stayed because she likes him? Now you can argue that she likes him in spite of the abuse, and Roissy can argue that she likes him because of the qualities that make him more likely to abuse.
Despite your insults and protestations, you and Roissy think basically the same thing. The only difference is the article looks for excuses, while Roissy looked for a neutral explanation.
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“If, you know, being a feminist means believes that woman are valid, worthy human beings, good for more than just sex …”
To my observation, feminists believe that men and women are equal, which is a different thing entirely.
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“Treat Me Rough” Ella Fitzgerald
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/e/ella+fitzgerald/treat+me+rough_20045941.html
The cushy sheltered way of life was really no fun
From now on, some manhandling must be done
So treat me rough
Muss my hair
Dont you dare to handle me with care
Im no innocent child, baby
Keep on treating me wild
Treat me rough
Pinch my cheek
Kiss and hug and squeeze me
`till Im weak
Ive been pampered enough, baby
Keep on treatin me rough
Keep on beatin me
Keep on treatin me rough
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lehuster, i bet that ship capt. nailed many a foreign prostitute and such…plus women in every port.
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besides, it’s basically the ultimate neg, slapping a broad that is. it shows that you TRULY do not give a fuck no matter the legal consequences, nor social stigma. why chicks love outlaws, rakes, criminals, thugs, pirates, whatever.
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@Suburban Sweetheart above,
Thanks for the YMY link. The author’s approach to Rhianna was straight-up victim. Rhianna is portrayed as a psychological victim. I won’t quibble on details, but at some point, victimhood wears out. At what point does she become responsible for her self-abuse?
This is the line that I disagree with: If we start judging her or blaming her for being a bad role model, the sisterhood has failed her, not the other way around. Got it?
NO, I don’t get it. She’s an adult responsible for her own choices. She makes a decision that will result in outcomes ranging from her own death to her stronger position within the union. We have every perogative to judge her.
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@seeking alpha,
this line even the dark prince himself talks about how much fun being in love is
Careful not to project your own definition of “love” here. He doesn’t describe in detail anything that remotely resembles what others would define as love. I’m suspecting his version includes controlling behavior, angst-provoking , conditional love.
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Does he or doesn’t he describe it? You’re ‘suspecting’ what his version includes – which means he hasn’t described it – and yet you says that what describes doesn’t ‘remotely resemble what others would define’.
You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s defined it in the past – in which case you don’t have to suspect anything – or he hasn’t defined it – in which case you have no idea whether or not it remotely resembles what others would define.
Incidentally, he’s advocated responding to flirtations with other men by acting like he doesn’t care. Does that sound controlling to you?
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@seeking
Interesting how you are believing what you’d prefer to believe.
He has not described a positive. i.e. a positive definition of love.
In the absence of concrete examples and explanations, you fill in with what you prefer to believe the word “love” means. I can “suspect” based upon the totality of his messages here, which includes lots of embitterment and hate.
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anony:
Careful not to project your own definition of “love” here.
you should take your own advice.
He doesn’t describe in detail anything that remotely resembles what others would define as love.
oh, rilly?
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/love/
I’m suspecting his version includes controlling behavior, angst-provoking , conditional love.
control is a phantom.
angst is beta.
nothing is unconditional.
He has not described a positive. i.e. a positive definition of love.
you haven’t been paying attention.
I can “suspect” based upon the totality of his messages here, which includes lots of embitterment and hate.
hate, yes. i do enjoy the exquisite delights of a rip roaring hatefest.
after all
hate is as natural as love.
embitterment?
nah.
that’s just something you say about someone with whom you disagree.
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i hope he kills her
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Thought this was worth posting… don’t know HOW true it is.
http://www.mediatakeout.com/2009/31087-rihanna_when_chris_hits_me_hes_a_beast__but_afterwards__he_turns_into_my_angel.html
And the Enquirer, via Media Take Out, says a source told them this…
Rihanna was applying makeup to her right eye, which I noticed looked puffy and discolored. Her friend said, ‘You’re eye looks [EXPLETIVE] up! He’s an [EXPLETIVE]! Why do you put up with him and let him hit you?’
“Rihanna told her, ‘It’s not his fault. When he hurts me, he’s a beast, but then he turns into my angel … He’ll hit me and then feel bad afterwards, but then he turns into the sweetest man and becomes my angel. He’ll cry like a little baby when he makes it up to me, and that’s the part I love.’”
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What happened to you? I used to read you a lot, months ago, when you wrote stuff about how to be an assertive guy without having to be a shitty person.
You claim it’s okay to crush some girl’s soul on the apparently huge chance that she’s ‘beneath’ you on a lot of your posts. That’s not about being alpha, that’s just assholish. Despite what you say and so many men seem to sycophantically agree with, being an asshole and being an alpha are not the same thing. It just looks that way b/c the general way that you are treated by girls tends to look the same to an outsider.
Women love alpha males and we don’t hate ourseleves for loving them. But when we love alpha males, we hate ourseleves for loving them. After a while, you end up with the same soulless woman you complain about throughout your blog.
Domestic abuse is not a joke. I wouldn’t place it in the same category as ‘play’. You are right to take a stance for men’s right in a relationship because there are so few advocates for equal responsibility and benefit, anywhere. BUT this is a little too far — there is no excuse for beating anyone, male or female.
Rihanna should definitely leave him but her victimization is a result of (a) her resistance to walking out and (b) his abusiveness. It is her responsibility to walk out but it is Brown’s responsibility and duty, as the person who has more power in this relationship, to stop beating her. Brown is 19, he can still learn from this and maybe educate others in the future. If that happens, then good for him. But at this point, he might have ruined his career unless the world wants another girl-beater singing about drugs (it happens).
Even if you’re making fun of Rihanna for not being able to leave a potentially fatal situation, it doesn’t prove your usual arguement that women stay with aggressive men; alpha != alpha. Abusiveness is inherently very ‘not alpha’: abusers have absolutley no control over themselves, even if they have very good control over somebody else who is obviously very weak.
Your post could have been about how guys could stop being stupid and start being better people. You fell short of your potential to positively inform your huge male audience; it’s really too bad because they do listen to you.
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Paper. It’s sad to be seduced, and discarded.
Beating people up is wrong.
What else where you talking about?
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Stop acting like it’s all her fault is also what I’m talking about.
Also, Roissy needs to get back to PU as something all people can actually admire.
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Paperdreamer, the first time he beat her may not have been her fault. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know if it was a beat-down or a fight. He didn’t go to the hospital or the police after.
…but if she actually goes back to him, the next time he hits her will be as much her fault as it is his.
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Yes, it is her fault for not leaving. But it will never be ‘as much her fault as his’.
He needs to grow up. She just needs to grow a spine.
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Paper
I recently read a book about the writer Hunter S. Thompson called “Gonzo”. By all accounts, Thompson was something of a bully who tended to keep people around him on edge. He kept loaded guns nearby at all times. He occasionally fired these guns off into the night sky for no apparent reason. Many of his girlfriends wore black eyes.
None of this was in dispute. In other parts of the book, a successful, beautiful female TV producer was trying to explain why an endless series of similar type women fell in love with him. She tried to say that it was because of the lost little boy that all women saw deep inside. Or that he was a good listener.
As far as I can tell, the dis-connect between the sexual brain and the awake brain of the human female is simply absolute.
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I don’t know, PA. I see the difference between being pragmatic, and being caring. Or, do I? The TV show House has that as the theme. Day after day.
Is the asshole more, or less, moral than the caring people?
House lost an intern who didn’t want to be like him. Foreman knew house could teach him to save more lives, but on moral principle, left House.
It’s an interesting question.
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Rum – I concur. The fact that women are more likely the Listener type is the reason why PU and game can be so effective. Use wisely 😉
Explat – In one way, I see your arguement because even being caring has its selfish purposes. The problem is that House is a doctor; he is doing his job to help other people. How he gets there really is less important than how it ends. In Roissy’s case, how he gets there is almost equally or more important than how it ends. So in that way, it’s not a level comparison.
I’m not saying people should think that it’s simple to be either evil or good. But you know, maybe you should try it out and not stop just b/c you ‘get tired’. Nobody is that old.
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Even though the statement is banal – as in, something we all know and take for granted, and needs not be even stated, I’ll still nominate that sentence for an award of literature. Literate ideas, that teach and uplift.
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Paper, if I’m understanding your argument against pump and dump, it’s that the woman gets elevated expectations, which are then dashed, and it has long term emotional consequences.
Kind of like when a woman does the bait and switch about marriage being about love and sex forever, but it winds up being about purchasing her tampons?
I agree with you. I do. No argument.
Seduction is neither good nor evil, but it can hurt more than necessary.
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In the HBO series “Rome” there is a better quote. This one is for the ages. Question: What do women want? Answer – “Bring them the still-beating heart of an enemy. They say they don’t like it but they do. It makes them wet as October.”
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Yeah, that was pretty much it. Except I am for responsible seduction. It helps you and it helps the woman; what’s not to like? At some point, you might want something ‘real’…or not. That is the point where Roissy’s teachings and fantasy unfortunately have come to meet.
But really, you hate marriage because you would have to buy tampons? I hope you never have to settle for less because you write like a well adjusted guy. At the same time, there is a give and take to any relation you have with someone (your friends/ mom/ dad/ siblings/ etc). A good life might look less picturesque than mundane at times, especially if you’re just the average person in DC.
I think buying tampons is a reality that somebody has to do, whether it’s you, her, or somebody else. It would be best if it was one of the little things husbands don’t mind doing for a wife who appreciates it and reciprocates equivolently (only marry her if she appreciates/ reciprocates).
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Paperdreamer, if I go to the zoo blindfolded, wander into the monkey cage, and catch a face full of poo, that is not my fault. If after having been through that once already, I walk into the monkey cage willingly, whose fault is it if poo gets thrown at me again?
If someone is out of control, and I know it, and I go provoke them, whatever happens to me as a result is at least half my fault. She’s not mentally retarded. She knows who she’s returning to.
She is not an innocent martyr. She’s a volunteer victim who is feeding her ego by tending a man sized pet rattlesnake. She’s already been bitten once, and now she’s going back for seconds.
I have no sympathy for her.
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Paper
The problem is, guys do not have much reason to even listen seriously to what women say about “relationships.” If appreciation and reciprocation of guys hard work were to be expressed routinely in the form of oiled up lips plus no gag reflex hard work from guys would flourish like springtime in the Hill Country.
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K — guys aren’t monkeys. Her problem is a form of addiction. She needs help and he needs help. But he still needs MORE help.
Rum — I hear you. Under that, though, why should a woman want a relationship any more than a man? “Guys don’t genuinely want to know us! They don’t appreciate us! They can’t even give us an effing rose!” is the battle cry of some bitter woman. But is this really the problem? No; the woman is looking for her kind of love in the wrong places and probably doing the wrong things herself.
There are good men just like there are good women. Take your pick because we are all equally corrupt.
Personally, I do not want to grow old with just a “circle of friends.” Friends are nice but there’s always this knowledge that somewhere, our closeness stops before that of a loving relationship. On that note, what you want
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from a woman is more likely to be found when (a) you’ll do, (b) she’s drunk, (c) she’s insecure/ has low self esteem, (d) or she wants you soooo badly. I think (d) is hard to find naturally and maybe that is the issue for you.
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Paper, when I said that a woman can bait and switch love and sex for purchasing tampons, I was using a humorous writing tactic, of alternating between meta and specific ideas. Big and small picture ideas. It can be funny to compare the idea that husbands and wives should respect their community with throwing out bottles of piss in the trash, that the trash man might get on his shoes. Or maybe that can’t be funny. Point was supposed to be that purchasing tampons was a metaphor for being taken for granted in a joyless life of zombie slavery.
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Don’t you dare get autistic on me, Paper. You are not allowed to be both detail oriented, and socially oriented.
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Explat — I got it. I just don’t think it has to be a joyless, zombielike, or enslaved life. I guess I have more years to go before I find out! 😀
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Explat — No worries. It happens sequentially, not simultanelously according to logic:
1) social
2) detail
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Compare that couples can try to respect their community, with the fact that they can also disregard the details of their garbage habits.
The tension between the big and small picture ideas is a source of humor.
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Ok, Paper, fair enough. I’ll grant you the validity of the social over the physical. But I find the physical primary and I can always prove it.
Atoms bombs might not be right. I grant you.
But you’ll give me tax money if I have one.
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Ok, Paper, fair enough. I’ll grant you the validity of the social over the physical. But I find the physical primary and I can always prove it.
Atoms bombs might not be right. I grant you.
But you’ll give me tax money if my army protects you with one.
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Sorry guys, my internet connection is handled by monkeys handing off small packets of poop. It’s slow, and I get confused as to if the send button was successful.
You might even get this message twice.
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I give a lot of credence to physical evidence! But people are more complicated than what you see and so I digressed.
I was not aware that I had to pay private citizens who randomly have WMDs? DC is like the twilight zone sometimes in that it can hide things that an entire nation cannot conceal from Google maps.
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Your understanding is wise.
In my room I have some texts that will deepen your knowledge.
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A fellow vendor was a mesmerist. He’d have never called himself that. As a charismatic, he used to have a congregation. Then he did other things. But he could pull people off the crowd, sit them down, have them look into his eyes, and walk away changed.
And what I could I do? Well – I have my mysteries.
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Paperdreamer, a person who has violent outbursts on weaker people, and a person volunteer victim are both fucked in the head. They might need “help”, but they might just need a reality check.
As a spiritual counselor, I solved one woman’s volunteer victim problem just by showing her how selfish she was by keeping people in a moral bubble on purpose. People need to take personal responsibility for their lives period. One person doesn’t need it more than the other. Everybody needs it.
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Paper
You read me too literally. My phrase “oiled up lips…/ no gag reflex etc..” should be read as referring to the whole genre of female sexual interest and putting out, not just to specific a technique of fellatio.
You mentioned the idea that sloppy blowjobs occur when a) I’LL do plus b) she’s drunk and then you wandered off into writing psycho-babble. I have no interest in psycho-babble when there are enough drunk women around who think I will do.
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K — I respect your authority and experience in counseling people but the idea that they both “just need a reality check” seems too simplistic for me. Maybe I am playing at semantics and we actually agree but:
I definitely do also think we are all responsible for our behaviours. That said, I think that you have to take into consideration that the abuser may eventually kill the abused person. In that way, even if it is the abused person’ fault for staying, the way that you perceive the two people should be different. To help the abused person (“helping” as in supporting) should be done differently than to help the abuser (“helping” as in educating). You’re trying to make both of these people stronger, but in different ways because they are both weak in different ways. They do both need help but the abuser is someone who needs a very harsh kind fo help because s/he may be a threat to society if s/he does not change. The victim unchanged is less commonly a threat to everyone than a threat to him/herself and a worry to people who care about him/her.
Rum — I think you read me too literally actually 🙂
I was referring to female sexual interest haha
The options I gave were (separate) reasons why a female would be interested. I feel kind of bad that drunk women think only “that you will do.” What I was saying in my last comment was that instead of getting that idea from drunk women, maybe if you lshould isten to Roissy (when he was a few months younger). you’d score a hot girl sober who craves you, without even having to try that hard.
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Paper, this might come as a shock to you, but there are very very few women being abused who are not also abusers themselves. Most of the time, they are at the very least emotional abusers or neglecters (which is as bad as physical abuse). The vast majority are also physically abusive towards their children and/or pets if they have any.
I believe that there is a difference between corporal punishment or physical discipline, and abuse. A grown person, male or female, shouldn’t need that without explicit consent, but there’s a big difference between what should be and what is. So long as women are socialized to be childish, they will behave like children, and the social consequence will be a twisted family situation wherein the wife is not functioning as she should, and has to have rules enforced with at least the threat of violence. If she knows no motivator but violence, then this is what it will take to motivate her.
In my opinion, people who see the abuser/victim dynamic as occuring in some kind of a social vacuum are the ones who are overly simplistic. This is, in fact, one of my many beefs with feminism. The truth in this doesn’t matter when they’re automatically taking the woman’s side with no regard for the fact that she is indeed an adult. If she were raised to be a responsible adult rather than a well behaved child, she would be quite repellant to anyone looking for a victim in the first place.
It does nothing to empower women to view them as default victims when things like this occur. Though it happens less frequently, men are physically abused by women too. Abuse is a people issue, not just a female one, and occurs for the same reasons across genders.
The volunteer victim is getting their ego validated by being perceived as morally superior to their abuser. They use this to cover their own failings including their own abusive behavior. Stop treating them as if they are morally superior, and that’s at least half of their incentive to stay volunteer victims gone.
Without the perceived moral superiority, they’re forced to view the situation for what it is, which is a twisted sort of D/s (Dom/sub) relationship. If they don’t want to stay in it, they should leave, and if they bring children into it, it’s the same as incest.
Focus on the abuser as the one with the bigger problem is not going to help the situation. Both of them are just as wrong: the one who beats, and the one who stays despite or because of the beatings.
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K — I did not represent abuse as a female problem, hence the word abused/ abuser as opposed to he/ she.
I am not talking about “discipline” when I mean abuse. Physical abuse is a form of domestic violence in the circumstance we are discussing. I do not advocate for people who are abusers themselves (of kids/ animals/ etc) and who simply happen to be abuse victims as well.
Empowering women does certainly mean recognizing their resonsibility in a situation they can choose to leave or remain in. However, the distinction I am making i one where the abuser’s actions are inherently evil, whereas the actions of the abused person (inabaility to leave) are not.
We are supposed to help the abuse victim to leave this situtaion. That doesn’t mean we say they are “helpless” but that they emotionally fragile and need strict support.
Are we supposed to help the abuser? Yes. But we do also take punitive measures because what they did hurts other people, not just themselves.
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