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February 2009 Beta Of The Month

March 3, 2009 by CH

The nominees for the February Beta of the Month in the 2009 Beta of the Year contest are in. Keep your submissions rolling in, folks.

February 2009 BOTM Candidate #1 was submitted by commenter 11minutes. A regular Joe gets cheated on, but what vaults this guy into the rarified stratosphere of Beta of the Month is what he did once the truth came out.

“I read about my wife’s affair in her diary“:

I don’t remember the exact day Colin (not his real name) became part of my life. A fleetingly glimpsed neighbour I’d sometimes nod to, I knew he was a long-distance truck driver and I think he knew who I was. When our paths crossed, he would seldom meet my gaze. I don’t even remember when I first heard his name. A familiar voice uttered it, though: my wife’s. It wasn’t by way of an introduction, although years later I did wonder how that might have gone. “Honey, you’ve seen that handsome man with the blond hair, broad shoulders and light tan who lives at number 18? His name’s Colin.” But no. Rather more mundanely, she referred to him matter-of-factly in conversation. “Colin took the remains of that old fence to the dump for me today, honey.” Or, “Oh, by the way, Colin mended the lawn mower. Then he mowed the lawn.”

As I’ve said before, women are inherently amoral. They are de facto nihilists. They are sociopaths of convenience. So when a wife is cheating on you, don’t expect her to tip her hand so flagrantly. A cheating whore is perfectly capable and willing of fooling even the most advanced male brain lie detector system. That very guy she’s boffing under your nose is the guy who “by the way, mended the lawn mower”.

Ice in the veins. That’s what happens to a woman’s blood when she falls out of love. You have been warned.

Instead, I started to read. The entries stretched back months, detailing their covert liaisons – romantic, practical, but mostly sexual. The descriptions ranged from the relatively tame (“Kissed and cuddled today, it was lovely”) to the kind of things you get in the racier passages of a Mills & Boon novel – nothing too graphic, but surprisingly comprehensive.

Women are amazingly detail-oriented when recounting sexual exploits. Almost clinical. See: Dirty little psychoslut who writes about her anal fissures in lovingly clinical prose. Men are the idealistic romantics. Women are the idealized romantics.

My jaw ached with panic and I felt the sudden flush of adrenaline.

You’d almost think he’d want to kill someone, or at least dump the bitch. But no, if he did that he wouldn’t be a BOTM nominee.

Of course, I confronted her. I wanted to yell at her, but my initial anger was quickly anaesthetised by shock. I felt numb, confused. With tears in her eyes, she said she hadn’t been happy for years and that Colin provided an escape. At that moment, I didn’t know what to say. It was four or five hours before we could sit down and talk.

“Sit down and talk”. This is what hopelessly needy betas always revert to when confronted with the dissolution of their relationships. They think the act of flapping their gums in endless loops of cloyingly empathetic therapy-speak will magically change a whore’s heart. Newsflash: It won’t and it never will as long as you remain the bitchboy beta you are. Your wife has just allowed another man’s giant throbbing cock to penetrate her labia and shoot his hot sticky load deep inside her womb while she screamed in pleasure and you want to SIT DOWN AND TALK?! You mewling pathetic street cur. You cowardly pissant nancyboy. You detachable penis.

Here is what he should have done:

  1. Calmly held the diary up to his wife’s face and then placed it on the dresser in silence.
  2. Threw her shit out the window.
  3. Slapped her hard across the face.  (3b.  Fucked her till she bleeds.)
  4. Kicked her out and excised the cancer from his life.

Number 3 alone gives the guy a better shot at hot sex than sitting down to talk. Put all four steps together and the whore will find herself completely re-enamored with him.

We discussed the usual options, including divorce, but decided to stay together for the sake of the children, make a fresh start.

For the sake of the children, you should humiliate your cockgobbling wife in front of them. I can’t think of a more valuable lesson to impart. If the divorce laws were fair, and this guy was the type who didn’t mind snuffing out his social life by raising kids, he would be able to take the kids away from the whore and leave her sobbing in a crumpled heap on the floor of her grimy studio apartment she rents with the money she makes at her new job waiting tables.

Next day, she told Colin it was over.

Ha! Chump. It may be over with Colin, but it isn’t over. You’d best put a tracking device on her.

This is where the story takes a turn from typical beta lament to event horizon beta black hole.

We didn’t see him for a couple of weeks after that – he’d been driving his lorry on the continent. But Colin never did return. The news that he had gone missing on a ship, presumed lost overboard, was broken to us by his next-door neighbour. My wife’s first reaction was stunned disbelief, as was mine. Then she turned away and covered her mouth, trying to stifle any sobs. Thoughts and emotions more tangled than ever, I tried to comfort her.

Amazing. So the interloper who banged his wife dies at sea, and instead of jumping up and down with joy and laughing in his wife’s face, our intrepid beta heroine reaches out to comfort her in her time of sorrow. The jilted husband just received a taste of delicious karmic justice that most won’t ever have the joy to experience, and he ruins the moment by going beta. Schmuck!

I feel a song coming on…

You got a whore wife and you want her back
But you ain’t got the stuff
She keeps cheatin’ on you night and day
Enough to shrink your nuts
Pick up some game, leave her in shame
It’s time you made a stand
For a fee, I’m happy to be
Your new wingman

Beta deeds, done dirt cheap
Beat deeds, done dirt cheap
Beta deeds, done dirt cheap
…
Tender hugs
Commiseration
Forgive and forget
Done dirt cheap
Gifts and baubles
Therapists
Shoulder to cry on!
Done dirt cheap.
Bwaaaahaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaa

And now, the coup de beta:

Colin’s death was confirmed by the positive identification of a body washed up on the beach. Some weeks later, my wife asked if we could drive to the crematorium so she could lay some flowers and say her final farewells. It felt strange but, in the hope of her finding some kind of closure, I told myself it was the right thing to do.

Yes, this almighty beta drove his wife to her lover’s grave so she could lay flowers and “find closure”. Sweet merciless Satan, why do you bless me so with these tales of ho? If I can single-handedly alter the destructive course upon which Western civilization currently finds itself careening, it will be on the backs of losers like this. Thank you for your vomitous examples, betas, one and all.

If it was me, I would have driven the whore to the crematorium and then, right at the moment her eyes welled up with tears and she laid the flowers, I’d have whipped out my dick and pissed on his epitaph.

Speaking of epitaphs, what better epitaph to lay at the gravestone of the West than “finding closure”? Have more spineless, craven beta words ever been written?

Here lies America. She found closure.

I read stories like this one and I want the whole fucking edifice to burn to the ground. At this late stage in the game, there is no other way to clean out the liars, SWPL losers, SPLC traitors, tankgrrl nerds, betas, fuglies, dregs, deluded fantasists, bores, mediocrities, backstabbers, weasels, sycophants, sophists, degenerates, dullards, eunuchs, trolls, wishful thinkers, excuse mongers, whackjobs, equalist tards, dumbfucks, obsequious curs, attention whores, suckups, PC toadies, fembots, lapdogs, shitlickers, pity whores, phonyfucks, hypocrites, parasites, stool pigeons, sanctimonious multicultists, diversity sluts, and weak-willed assmunching ankle grabbing bitchboy pukes.

Bring the all-consuming flames.

So where does our betaboy’s story end?

Slowly we tried to put it behind us and his name was never mentioned again. A few years later we had another child and our marriage entered a new, happier phase. I vowed to be a more attentive husband and adjust my work-life balance. But I couldn’t forget the affair, especially how close it had happened to home.

I should have trusted my instinct: 12 years later, my wife ran off with my best friend.

And that kid went Haa Haaaw!

February 2009 BOTM Candidate #2 was submitted by commenter twiceaday. It’s the emotionally charged story of a man’s Herculean efforts to save his marriage to his loving, supportive wife. A woman of good character, I might add. He writes to an advice column called “Annie’s Mailbox”:

Dear Annie: I love my wife of 30 years, but I’ve had it. For 10 years, I had a great job in which I was well respected and well paid. Under pressure at home to bring in more money, I took a promising position at a startup company. Six months later, I was sacked. Since then, I’ve had to jump on any opportunity that came my way. I’ve had seven jobs in nine years and things have been financially tough. I have made some job mistakes, but still, we’re almost back to where we were nine years ago.

However, whenever any difficulty occurs, my wife rubs it in my face. I try to be a devoted husband. I am the prime breadwinner and still do more than half the cooking, cleaning and chores. Until recently, I was active in church and local community organizations. We have three wonderful children who have excelled academically.

So far, so beta. Man loses job, wife routinely questions his manhood, man attempts reconciliation by shouldering more domestic chores. Nothing to see here, move along.

I rarely buy anything for myself, yet if I spend any money at all, I get a screaming apoplectic display from my wife. She is taking back my birthday gifts because “we need the money.” Meanwhile, we seem to have the funds for her to travel (without me) and refresh her wardrobe each season.

Um, yeah. Let me see if I have this straight. Screaming, bitchy harpy won’t let husband buy consumer goods for himself *with his own fucking money*, he acquiesces to her demands, and she uses his money to…

travel around the world ALONE sucking and fucking god knows how much exotic swarthy cock and reward herself with new clothes every three months.

Does it get any beta than this? Why yes, yes it does.

Many of these arguments occur when my wife has been drinking. She sometimes hits me and says things that aren’t easily forgotten. We don’t have much of a romantic life, either. It’s difficult to be a good lover after being scolded.

David Alexander laughs at you.
By the way, this is a good illustration of why hitting a man won’t have the same effect as hitting a woman for turning on the ol’ heart light. Hit a woman, she drenches her panties. Hit a man, he gets no nookie and his testicles ascend.

I don’t believe in divorce, but if I had any way to leave the marriage and make sure she’s financially fixed, I would. I suspect I am clinically depressed and fear I might lose control one of these days. What do I do?

My advice:

  1. Your beliefs suck. Change them.
  2. She’s fucking a guy named Eduardo. Count on it.
  3. Eduardo is using your hard-earned money to buy your wife lingerie. For him to jizz on.
  4. Forget about making sure she’s “financially fixed”. Once you’ve started visualizing Eduardo’s cock pumping your wife’s squeezebox in and out and in and out, you should have no qualms making sure she’s “financially fucked”.
  5. You’re depressed because you’re a loser. Stop being a loser.
  6. You’ve already lost control. Face it.
  7. Pick up any rudimentary material on game, learn it, go out of the house, pick up a chick, birng her home, and fuck her senseless in your marital bed.
  8. Leave your whore harpy wife AND DON”T EVER LOOK BACK.

For a good laugh, here is the advice the man-hating bitch at “Annie’s Mailbox” gave him:

Dear No Name: You are trapped with an abusive wife and recognize how close you are to reacting violently. Talk to a lawyer about a legal separation, which will enable you to provide financially for your wife while living apart.

See that rhetorical sleight of hand? Classic 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th wave feminist misdirection. He’s got a bitch for a wife but everyone should be worried that he will react violently. Remember this ironclad first order rule of feminism:

Always blame the man. No matter what has happened or has yet to happen.

And WTF is with her advice to him to find a legal separation arrangement that will ensure he can continue providing financially for the shrike? She should be telling him to stop coddling the bitch and dump her for a better woman. Asking too much, I know.

Then get some counseling, with or without her, and contact Al-Anon (al-anon.alateen.org) at 1-888-4-AL-ANON (1-888-425-2666).

I’ve got your counseling right here, cunt.

The voting begins:

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  1. on March 3, 2009 at 1:52 pm Chuck

    Both of these stories infuriated me. I’m going to go beat my girlfriend for good measure.

    But no, I was once the guy-on-the-side of a woman cheating on her husband. I ran across them in the grocery store one day. I was a little nervous b/c I didn’t know if the husband had any inkling as to his wife’s whorish ways. She very casually introduced us w/o a look of fear or remorse on her face. she said “this is my friend chuck” as she introduced her husband and I. It was awkward and goes to show you that your wife could be cheating on you with some Joe Blow and you’d never be able to tell by her demeanor.

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  2. on March 3, 2009 at 1:54 pm Tood

    God, I hate this Beta shit. These are two unusually strong entries for BOTM. Much more so than the doctor who have his wife his kidney.

    Personally, having done Beta things in the past (although fortunately not within the trap of marriage), it makes be cringe to read these things.

    The problem is, marriage MAKES A MAN BETA, because the woman has the power of the STATE behind her. Even in marriages that don’t divorce, how often is the woman holding the sword of Damocles over his head, threatening him with financial ruin?

    NEVER marry unless :
    1) You can get a solid pre-nup, properly done with lawyers on both sides.
    2) She makes comparable money to you
    3) You have a moderate amount of GAME.

    Unless all 3 are met, DO NOT MARRY. Why should you take on so much risk?

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  3. on March 3, 2009 at 1:56 pm The G Manifesto

    Brutal Stories.

    Is it possible that Beta #1 was the cause of Colin “going overboard” and “washing up on the beach”?

    Doubt it.

    – MPM

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  4. on March 3, 2009 at 1:58 pm Tood

    I am starting to have more respect for the religion of Islam.

    We must get Islam to abandon terrorism. Once that is out, the religion has a whole lot of merit in terms of keeping women in line. I want more, not less, Islam to permeate into the West.

    Once Islamic groups manage to get Western multi-culti nuts to allow Islamic law to be used with Muslims, rather than the prevailing Law of the Land, I predict that Beta males will start coverting to Islam in the near future. Divorce terms under Islam are infinitely more favorable to the man.

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  5. on March 3, 2009 at 1:58 pm Professional Engineer

    This is a great website. You views are spot on in so many ways. Too many have drunk too deeply from the well of feminism and modern liberalism. I see you doing your part to reverse this and I appreciate it. My neighbor the economics professor turned me on to this site and it instantly clicked. Keep up the great work.

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  6. on March 3, 2009 at 2:02 pm Tood

    I am going to vote that the second one is slightly more Beta than the first. On a scale of 1-10 in alpha-tude, the first is a 2, the second is a 1.

    The only reason that the first is a bit higher is that he actually considered confronting her.

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  7. on March 3, 2009 at 2:03 pm Tood

    “My neighbor the economics professor turned me on to this site and it instantly clicked. ”

    Wait, an economics professor who is not a flaming liberal faggot? Such a person exists?

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  8. on March 3, 2009 at 2:04 pm ASDF

    Both of these guys are massive pussies, but my jaw dropped when I read about the first guy driving his wife to her lover’s grave.

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  9. on March 3, 2009 at 2:05 pm ironrailsironweights

    Close call, but I’ll go for the second one, if only because he should have learned a few things in 30 years of marriage.

    Peter

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  10. on March 3, 2009 at 2:08 pm Tood

    “liars, SWPL losers, SPLC traitors, tankgrrl nerds, betas, fuglies, dregs, deluded fantasists, bores, mediocrities, backstabbers, weasels, sycophants, sophists, degenerates, dullards, eunuchs, trolls, wishful thinkers, excuse mongers, whackjobs, equalist tards, dumbfucks, obsequious curs, attention whores, suckups, PC toadies, fembots, lapdogs, shitlickers, pity whores, phonyfucks, hypocrites, parasites, stool pigeons, sanctimonious multicultists, diversity sluts, and weak-willed assmunching ankle grabbing bitchboy pukes.”

    One universal term can be applied to all of the above (no matter what gender). The term is : Faggots.

    If you cannot use that word, then evoke Governor Schwarzenegger and call them : Girlie-Men.

    Girlie-Men is the perfect term, because if the individual is male, then ‘girlie’ is the insult. If the individual is female, then ‘man’ is the insult. Hence, it is a term of great philosophical depth.

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  11. on March 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm Tood

    Again, in both cases, it is MARRIAGE that made these guys Betas. Remember that with the power of the state backing the woman, she WILL abuse that power and hold it over the man’s head. It is quite possible that both of these men were moderately decent before marriage, but after so many years of giving in to her behavior, knowing that the alternative is emotional and financial ruin.

    So the men give in and hope for mercy, given their vulnerablity to the powers of the state backing the woman. Sadly, women are not merciful creatures.

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  12. on March 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm Seeking Alpha

    Remember that with the power of the state backing the woman, she WILL abuse that power and hold it over the man’s head.

    That’s right, fellow readers. There is no maybe. There is nothing you can do. It is GUARANTEED. Run in fear.

    Tood, you’re right that you have to be careful, but don’t undermine your own point by talking hyperbolic nonsense.

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  13. on March 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm finefantastic

    i shudder at the looming fourth wave of feminism in bodily form: charlotte roche. you think things are bad now…

    heheh.

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  14. on March 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm Tood

    “We have three wonderful children who have excelled academically.”

    Herein lies the problem. The man nobly wants to be a good father, and also knows he will get reamed with child support.

    Children = handcuffs that wives use to wield a sword of Damocles over their husbands.

    If Western society makes it this risky for a man to have children, Western society will deservedly die.

    Welcome, Islam.

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  15. on March 3, 2009 at 2:19 pm z

    Tood,

    You mention this:

    “1) You can get a solid pre-nup, properly done with lawyers on both sides.”

    Is the prenup not valid without her having a lawyer of her own in your state? I thought if the signing was videotaped, it was valid and couldn’t be challenged…….

    BTW—–It was difficult to decide which of the above-mentioned two were the most beta, but I had to vote for the guy who LET his wife go on vacations WITHOUT him. Sorry, but any man who accepts this is practically accepting his wife is cheating on him.

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  16. on March 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm Tood

    “Tood, you’re right that you have to be careful, but don’t undermine your own point by talking hyperbolic nonsense.”

    How so? Don’t tell me that the threat of divorce by a man is anywhere near as powerful as from a woman.

    There is a reason that the man is always the one who wants to go to counseling, etc. while the woman intiates divorce 80-90% of the time.

    It is the man who is more likely to make personal sacrifices and commit for a lifetime. Not the woman.

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  17. on March 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm Seeking Alpha

    Tood, I agree with all of that. I’m just pointing out that when you say it’s guaranteed that your wife will abuse her power against you, it’s not true. It’s just possible. If you game your wife consistently so she feels those feminine flutters throughout the relationship, she’ll never become angry and bitter in the first place.

    Just trying – like Dave or the other married guys here – to point out that there is hope.

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  18. on March 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm Tood

    “Is the prenup not valid without her having a lawyer of her own in your state? I thought if the signing was videotaped, it was valid and couldn’t be challenged…….”

    No pre-nup is 100% guaranteed, and no pre-nup can get you out of child support.

    But if there are lawyers on both sides, she cannot claim duress, and it is more likely to save you from alimony and property division.

    You should have lawyers on both sides AND videotape.

    Remember that a pre-nup is like having a rifle under your bed. You hope to never have to use it, but just having it there makes the other party treat you differently. She won’t know if the pre-nup will hold or not until well past the point of no return, which will make it harder for her to actually pull the trigger on divorce in the first place.

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  19. on March 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm tokyojesusfist

    Tood

    I am starting to have more respect for the religion of Islam.

    Islam is, and always will be, infinitely worse than 21st century Western civilization. It is utterly backwards and barbaric, with no redeeming qualities.

    Once that is out, the religion has a whole lot of merit in terms of keeping women in line.

    Like murdering wives, daughters and sisters for the most trivial reasons imaginable, or throwing acid on their faces?

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  20. on March 3, 2009 at 2:27 pm Professional Engineer

    Tood,

    I’m pretty sure Islam is not the answer. Too much regression by looking at those parts of the world. I like a high standard of living and lots of access to women. What would be better is a backlash against the modern BS we in the west have allowed. A re-assertion of our masculinity and mens rights. A lot less socialism and feminism. Lots more capitalism and an emphasis on personal responsibility. Just my two cents!!

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  21. on March 3, 2009 at 2:28 pm Tood

    “If you game your wife consistently so she feels those feminine flutters throughout the relationship, ”

    Yes, this is very hard to do in practice. It is much easier to write about Game than to execute it consistently.

    As great as Roissy’s articles are, none of us really know how good he is in practice. He may be great, or he may be one of the growing pool of guys with great theoretical knowledge of Game, but poor execution. MANY guys are in this zone.

    “Just trying – like Dave or the other married guys here – to point out that there is hope.”

    Sure. About 33% of married men are actually happy in their marriage, and are treated well by their wives.

    The other 67%, however, range from bad to suicidally bad.

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  22. on March 3, 2009 at 2:30 pm Smoothvirus

    “Colin took the remains of that old fence to the dump for me today, honey.” Or, “Oh, by the way, Colin mended the lawn mower. Then he mowed the lawn.”

    Trading favors for pussy. Colin is beta too, big time.

    The news that he had gone missing on a ship, presumed lost overboard, was broken to us by his next-door neighbour.

    “Lost” overboard? Bullshit.. he did a Lord Lucan and jumped over the rail. Suicide, the ultimate beta exit strategy.

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  23. on March 3, 2009 at 2:31 pm Tood

    Tokyojesusfish,

    Clearly, your reading comprehension is poor. I said AFTER THE VIOLENT PARTS ARE REMOVED.

    Now go read what I wrote again. Slowly and out loud if it helps you understand.

    PE,

    “What would be better is a backlash against the modern BS we in the west have allowed. A re-assertion of our masculinity and mens rights. ”

    Fat chance, when more and more men are becoming useful idiots that champion feminism.

    My money is on Islam bring a good end through very imperfect means.

    Muslim reproductive rates are many, many times higher than SWPL reproductive rates, so it should only take 20-30 years for Islam to overthrow SWPL society.

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  24. on March 3, 2009 at 2:32 pm Seeking Alpha

    Tood – Thanks for the statistics. I thought my chances of a happy marriage were 42.7%. Turns out they’re exactly 33%. Glad I have you to help me out.

    With all due respect, if you’re not married then your opinions on the subject are as useless as the opinions of those guys with great theoretical knowledge of game but poor execution.

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  25. on March 3, 2009 at 2:32 pm Sara I

    Pick up some game, leave her in shame

    Here’s a stupid question from Sara the incessant troll to make you stop and smell the roses: Is it just me, or does anyone else here find wimpy, insecure so-labelled betas and arrogant, phony posers (I refuse to call them alpha) equally unattractive? I’ve had both, which is why I’m still looking.

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  26. on March 3, 2009 at 2:33 pm PA

    Always blame the man. No matter what has happened or has yet to happen.

    The ultimate (fictional) illustration of this: in the movie “Minority Report” cops in the near-future use clairvoyants to predict crimes that have not yet occurred, and arrest the perpetrators before they strike.

    And here is the scene: a sad-sack beta man walks home from the office and catches his wife being banged by some dude. In shock he drops his briefcase and a SWAT team swoops in, tackles, and cuffs him that same second. The clairvoyants have predicted that he will have killed his wife and the lover in rage.

    The scene from the dude’s perspective: walk home and catch your wife cheating. That same second you get arrested for attempted double murder.

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  27. on March 3, 2009 at 2:34 pm dougjnn

    Another great post.

    “See that rhetorical sleight of hand? Classic 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th wave feminist misdirection. He’s got a bitch for a wife but everyone should be worried that he will react violently. Remember this ironclad first order rule of feminism:

    Always blame the man. No matter what has happened or has yet to happen.”

    Dead on.

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  28. on March 3, 2009 at 2:38 pm tokyojesusfist

    Tood

    Clearly, your reading comprehension is poor. I said AFTER THE VIOLENT PARTS ARE REMOVED.

    They can’t be removed. They are an inseparable part of Islam. Also, you said “we must get Islam to abandon terrorism” which is not the same thing as “we must get Islam to abandon violence.”

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  29. on March 3, 2009 at 2:45 pm dougjnn

    PA —

    “And here is the scene: a sad-sack beta man walks home from the office and catches his wife being banged by some dude. In shock he drops his briefcase and a SWAT team swoops in, tackles, and cuffs him that same second. The clairvoyants have predicted that he will have killed his wife and the lover in rage.”

    In many US jurisdictions that murder wouldn’t have even been illegal not so long ago. Like in the fifties and even sixties. Or more accurately, it would have been considered justifiable or anyway understandable homicide — if (and only if) done in the heat of passion and moment of discovery. It was called the “in flagrante delicto” defense. In most other jurisdictions it would have gotten a minimal sentence – probably suspended.

    The idea was that any self respecting red blooded American male would react in the same way, or many of the most admirable would, and we certainly don’t want to criminilize all of them depending only on the behavior and perfidy of his wife. No part of this last sentence is any longer true in America, after some 40 years of feminist entertainment, educational and often home programming.

    Feminists, naturally, started campaigning against this and getting it changed beginning in I think the 70s. Except when it was women that did it. In that case they’d nearly always come up with some sort of mental abuse defense.

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  30. on March 3, 2009 at 2:47 pm Firepower

    If we got Japs to abandon Imperialism and Bushido – we can do anything.

    Just make like 1945 and resurrect the Enola Gay

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  31. on March 3, 2009 at 2:48 pm as

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-469111/Why-Shirley-Valentine-baby-greatest-love-ultimate-betrayal.html

    What must it be like to conceive a child during a secret holiday romance, and then have to confess to your long-term partner that you have betrayed him? That was the dilemma facing Francesca Morosi, 37, when she discovered she was pregnant after an affair on holiday in Mexico. Here, Francesca, who lives in Leicester with her son Julian, aged four, and runs her own financial services business, tells her extraordinary story.

    “…Not that this is reflected on his birth certificate, where it states my four-year-old’s father is Irish – and as anyone who knows my former partner Sean will testify, he’s a blue-eyed blond who bears no resemblance to the boy who has his surname.”

    “I can’t deny I was quite happy for Sean to be named as my child’s father, even though I knew he wasn’t. Julian was conceived during a six-week affair while Sean and I were travelling in Mexico.”

    “…He [Cecilio] wasn’t, of course, my usual bookish type. He was very different to Sean and with his angular face and skinny legs, he wasn’t even remotely attractive. Yet there was something about him which was compelling and I found myself looking forward to seeing him when he came in for a drink.”

    “…I never planned for anything to happen, but afterwards, as we cooked fish on an open fire on a secluded beach, Cecilio kissed me. To my amazement, I found myself responding, and, carried away by the passion of the moment, soon we were making love on the sand.”

    “…My tears at leaving Cecilio were genuine, but he showed very little emotion. It’s only now I realise that I was probably just another tourist to him, a holiday fling.”

    “…The two men I’d slept with could not have looked more different and I knew I would not be able to pass off my baby as Sean’s if he wasn’t his.”

    “… ‘How many times were you with him?’ he [Sean] demanded. ‘Only a couple of times,’ I lied. I couldn’t face telling him it had gone on every day for six weeks.”

    “…My guilt over the affair increased as Julian grew more like Cecilio and whenever Sean said that he looked like him, I found myself thinking: ‘But he looks like Cecilio.’ I urged him to take a DNA test but he refused, saying it would mean nothing and he didn’t care.”

    “…I have contacted Cecilio to tell him he is a father and a letter was personally delivered to him by a man from the local tourist office. So far, he has declined to get in touch and now I’m the one who feels betrayed.”

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  32. on March 3, 2009 at 2:49 pm Kick a Bitch

    Wow, just wow. These guys need to turnover their balls to the proper authorities. Someone, somewhere, has GOT to be able to put them to better use.

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  33. on March 3, 2009 at 2:49 pm Chuck

    “For the sake of the children, you should humiliate your cockgobbling wife in front of them.”

    Perhaps this is the only means for men to wrest control from adulterous women. A couple of decades of openly shaming these women in front of family and friends may go a long way to stem the tide of feminine control.

    A slap across the face, if it doesn’t turn her on, will only make her hate the man more with no social or financial repercussions. It won’t have the desired affect of the woman suffering for her transgressions. A social shaming is a much better tool; slapping will only undermine a man’s position in the eyes of others.

    This social shaming works well for women trying to curb the adulterous ways of men, why wouldn’t it work on women?

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  34. on March 3, 2009 at 2:49 pm delicious chicken

    Hmmm. I’m voting #1, on the grounds that #2 is at least making a conscious choice to cut her loose (sort of) while #1 didn’t even have the fortitude to make that decision… his wife had to make it for him.

    Really, though, what is it about men that makes them love you more, the more heartless you are to them?

    Cook his dinner and fold his underwear, and he will barely notice you exist, but fuck his boss and clean out his checking account, and he bawls about how you are the love of his life. ???

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  35. on March 3, 2009 at 2:56 pm GJ

    First one is the clear winner, but I want to go find Annie and donkey punch her for good measure. And then empty out her wallet and buy some pie.

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  36. on March 3, 2009 at 3:01 pm lurker

    One of the main problems is the death of religion as a controlling factor over women in the West. Religion imposes strict morality on women who are necessarily amoral without it. Religious women report being happier and accepting their position vis-a-vis men, as opposed to constantly trying to outdo men and cutting off their balls.

    Catholicism used to impose tight controls on female sexuality, and especially Iberian Catholicism benefittted from exposure to Moorish feelings on women. But all in all, Catholicism’s strict hand helped to drive Europe forward. Later Protestantism also imposed controls over Europe, but gradually, these eroded.

    I believe this is part of the cyclical nature of civilization: born of men imposing control over the wild world and females, who join the society because it protects them from the uncertainty of the unruly. However, as the society becomes more successful, it allowes women to free themselves of religious controls, which in turn destroys that society—because men will not support a society that does not offer them the promise of women.

    Islam’s current rise—as well as the religious right in the South—can be seen as part of this. Current Islam seeks to dominate and build a successful society where none currently exists; poor southerners in America seek the same (meaning impvoerished rural areas). Ultimately, it remains to be seen which will triumph.

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  37. on March 3, 2009 at 3:04 pm dougjnn

    Tood–

    “The problem is, marriage MAKES A MAN BETA, because the woman has the power of the STATE behind her. Even in marriages that don’t divorce, how often is the woman holding the sword of Damocles over his head, threatening him with financial ruin?

    NEVER marry unless :
    1) You can get a solid pre-nup, properly done with lawyers on both sides.
    2) She makes comparable money to you
    3) You have a moderate amount of GAME.
    ”

    Yuup.

    But the simplest and best pre-nup is to live together without marrying. Though make sure your state doesn’t make that a “common law” marriage. NY doesn’t. Actually the living together kind of division of property that would occur in a breakup is the right model to have in mind if you do a marriage and pre-nup. What you each brought in or earned and bought or saved during the live together is yours to take, except for gifts, which remain with the gift receiver. At least start there.

    One huge thing in divorce is paying support and her lawyers fees while it’s going on. That gives her lawyer and her every incentive to draw it out by being hardcore on their demands – so it’s a BIG thing to make clear doesn’t happen by the langauge of a pre-nup.

    As for pre nups not working to limit whatever child support=in large part alimony by another name the court under it’s state formula determines you should pay, that’s largely true. However it MIGHT be possible to limit the amount beyond a certain theshold, i.e. for high earners. I could go into why. But anyway I haven’t researched this.

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  38. on March 3, 2009 at 3:04 pm JM

    I’m taking the minority position that the second man was more beta.

    The first man–beta by nature, ignorant of the Game, severely deluded about human nature–was faced with the brutal reality of his wife’s FLAGRANT transgression in a singular, calamitous moment. It is understandable that this man’s reaction was utter paralysis, given his beliefs, attitudes, and personal history. The reaction, however beta it may be, was really more of a uncontrolled reflex as opposed to a deliberative action. Furthermore, I think it’s easy to understand how a weak man like this, in his polluted, paralyzed state, would think it rational to “comfort” his wife about Colin’s misfortune. Think about it, the man was probably thinking: 1) I am unattractive, work a mediocre job, and have zero game, 2) therefore, I will have no chance of sex if I leave my wife 3) if I comfort wife, maybe she will be impressed by my selflessness. It’s pathetic, it’s beta as all fuck, but at least it follows a somewhat rational thought process.

    The second man, on the other hand, puts up with 30 years of continual spousal abuse. He follows the rational beta playbook to rectify his problems. This plan fails. So he says, “Hey, you know what might work, being EVEN MORE beta.” This fails. And yet he repeats the cycle again. Then AFTER THIRTY YEARS, he finally “man’s up” and writes a fucking E-MAIL to some cunt online dating advice column writer. This man is not only spineless and pathetic like man #1, he’s also really, really, fucking stupid. He’s been given ample opportunity to see the light that beta-ism is a recipe for disaster, and yet he still CHOOSES the beta route–it’s just that deeply intrinsic to his nature. If you ask me, the second guy is the more terminal case of the two–beta to the core, damaged beyond repair.

    presented with a FLAGRANT transgression on a part of his wife

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  39. on March 3, 2009 at 3:05 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    Current Islam seeks to dominate and build a successful society where none currently exists

    Islam is inherently incapable of producing successful societies.

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  40. on March 3, 2009 at 3:05 pm Thor

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-469111/Why-Shirley-Valentine-baby-greatest-love-ultimate-betrayal.html

    Doesn’t Cecilio look a bit like RooshV?

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  41. on March 3, 2009 at 3:07 pm RJS

    Roissy,

    Thank you for educating me. I never thought I would like a blog that dealt with anything other than politics. You and Roosh are the only guys to have changed my mind. I wish I had someone like you when I was growing up to set me straight. I’m 30, and up until this last year I have been in betaland. Since I’ve discovered the PUA community, and your blog, I’ve been on a roll. I’m not being beta in saying the following because I believe it is objective truth: guys like you are God’s (if he existed) gift to men.

    Keep doing the good work. You’re a humanitarian.

    RJS

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  42. on March 3, 2009 at 3:09 pm Sebastian Flyte

    Charlotte Roche is ridiculousness squared.

    Betas… god I hate their antics.

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  43. on March 3, 2009 at 3:23 pm Bhetti B

    Let us make this really clear here: a lot of muslims in this modern world are uneducated, illiterate and frustrated (via the vast amounts of violence and political propaganda on their TVs etc since they can’t have porn). They mainly exist either in countries where this is prevalent or in isolated communities in the US of A. Violence exists everywhere where there is hunger/lack of education/propaganda, which has nothing to do with religion.

    It is entirely natural to be a muslim and not advocate pointless violence, much like Jews and Christians have deeply buried any suggestions to violence in their own literature and stories. This is mainly because you’re being a smart muslim, and a smart muslim knows that to promote your religion, you establish dialogue and lead by honest, neighbourly example. You go to heaven by converting people who truly honestly want to convert, being a good charitable person or by genuinely fighting in DEFENSE of Islam, rather than as an attack. Of course this is misinterpreted, people need their propaganda for their own agendas. My muslim family sheltered one of your products of Western civilisation: a friend of mine whose family had kicked her out, who was majorly depressed, who self-harmed, who was addicted to sex/smoking/caffeine in its energy drink form. Where the fuck were you, Mr. Oh-So-Kind-Peace-Loving-I’m-Better-Than-You-anti-Islamist? Telling her to fuck off and not be in your life, that’s what. She couldn’t even do the flipping paperwork to get herself a place because she was that much of a manipulative, disorganised idiot.

    My mother sheltered her, paid her way and gave her reasons for it as ‘We’re good muslims and it’s the right thing to do’.

    I won’t disagree that a lot of muslims are dicks (mainly the men, let me just emphasise, ha!). But you’re an ass if you think Islam’s always taught that way, and always interpreted that way. I lived in the Emirates and when I was taught the government-approved curriculum, there was NO emphasis on violence: charitable acts, consideration, awareness of cleanliness, the wonder of God’s creation (i.e. look how beautiful this Earth is! By the way, did you know that it is part of Islamic war never to cut a tree?) ethical arguments about why God may have said this deed is wrong or that is right and antisexuality/homosexuality were the order of the day.

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  44. on March 3, 2009 at 3:24 pm Tim Price

    As I was reading these, Jimi Hendrix’s “Hey Joe” was playing on the radio. Very appropriate indeed.

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  45. on March 3, 2009 at 3:27 pm biktopia

    Oh dear.
    As i write on this topic, i find myself writing side laterals, One thought brings the next one, so i force myself to stay with my original thought.
    About marriage,
    I don’t believe in marriage, i believe in the commitment, but not in the paper work, with such a high rate of divorce i am stunned with the amount people still getting married!
    Wouldn’t it be better to have a nice big ceremony where you loyally commit to each other, its better if you when things turn out wrong, which according to statistics, it’s a high chance they will..
    Take a bow to love each other and bla bla, invite friends and relatives, and have a fancy party.
    Marriage is old fashioned and doesn’t fit this era. Someone will be ripped of by the aftermath’s.
    Or maybe not, i would be happy if my commitment to Mr. Right would be long lasting, but lets face it, its safer to rent a car in Georgia and visit the war zone then to get married,,
    Maybe i’m an exception, but i believe in equal outcome.
    The divorce will never be equal, especially with these laws. It’s not worth it. I wouldn’t marry due to money, only love, and if love is gone i don’t want his money, i don’t want to make his life hell, why would i? Why on the earth should we want to destroy someone i once loved? (or get destroyed)
    I will quit here.

    B

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  46. on March 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm FAT CHICK WISES UP

    Are some American women finally starting to wise up about the disadvantages of fatness?

    “Is being overweight really that big a deal when it comes to matters of the libido? The story of Charlotte Royal, a “desperate” 300-lb. 21-year-old who shed over half her weight in order to lost her virginity, would certainly suggest so.
    …
    After losing 180 pounds, Charlotte did the deed with a guy she met on vacation and has done it with two more since. She says, “Since I’ve become slim, I am more attractive to men. Sadly, that’s the world we live in.”

    While we can’t argue with the fact that we live in a looks-obsessed society, we know plenty of women of all sizes who have never let a few extra pounds stop them from getting active in the bedroom.

    According to Charlotte, when she was heavy she “feared men seeing her naked and eventually stopped going out altogether.” Sure, weight gain can take a toll on your self-esteem and energy levels, but that’s only if you let it.”
    …

    – http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/03/03/does-any-woman-have-to-lose-weight-to-get-lucky/

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  47. on March 3, 2009 at 3:38 pm tokyojesusfist

    Bhetti B

    Violence exists everywhere where there is hunger/lack of education/propaganda, which has nothing to do with religion.

    Islam gives rise to violence and fanaticism, and creates backwards and stagnant societies.

    It is entirely natural to be a muslim and not advocate pointless violence

    Infidels may think it’s pointless violence, but Muslims do not.

    You go to heaven by converting people who truly honestly want to convert, being a good charitable person or by genuinely fighting in DEFENSE of Islam, rather than as an attack.

    Muslims have a different idea of defense than most other people. So basically anything goes, because it’s all done in the name of defending Islam.

    My muslim family sheltered one of your products of Western civilisation: a friend of mine whose family had kicked her out, who was majorly depressed, who self-harmed, who was addicted to sex/smoking/caffeine in its energy drink form. Where the fuck were you, Mr. Oh-So-Kind-Peace-Loving-I’m-Better-Than-You-anti-Islamist? Telling her to fuck off and not be in your life, that’s what.

    I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. I don’t know who you are and I don’t know who your friend is, and I have certainly never met either of you.

    And if you want to talk about cultural products, let’s talk about all those Muslim women who have been beaten, raped, tortured, murdered and disfigured for religious reasons.

    My mother sheltered her, paid her way and gave her reasons for it as ‘We’re good muslims and it’s the right thing to do’.

    So?

    I won’t disagree that a lot of muslims are dicks (mainly the men, let me just emphasise, ha!). But you’re an ass if you think Islam’s always taught that way, and always interpreted that way

    I don’t think anything, I’m just stating facts.

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  48. on March 3, 2009 at 3:40 pm Professional Engineer

    Bhetti B,

    True of many muslims as I lived with one in college. But it doesn’t take many bad eggs to ruin the lot. Unfortunately muslims are way over represented in this category. That is just the plain truth. It’s like racism in America. The AG says we are all cowards for not talking about it more but no mention of the disparity of black on white violent crime as opposed to the opposite. There is just too much information out there to refute the claim that muslims are normally peaceful. Maybe in theory but not in practice. Anyway what about the demographics of minorities in muslim majority countries. They are disappearing through living in an intimidating enviroment. Where is the tolerance. Perhaps some fell this way or even a majority but apparently enough act badly to create enormous problems. I would love to see the muslim nations deal with these things but I don’t see that happening. You must admit your problems if you want to deal with them.

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  49. on March 3, 2009 at 3:45 pm Rain And

    I picked the second guy, who appears to be the less popular choice. Here is why::

    The first man was defeated by feminine strategies that are often effective against average men and masculine instincts. The second man was defeated by masculine strategies that are not often effective against average men when used by women.

    The first wife did not “win” against her husband by being more dominant, but by being more vulnerable. This is a female weapon of choice against physically superior men, because men have a natural instinct to protect their charges. At no point in the story did she argue or directly challenge her husband; she just apologized and gave him the puppy-dog eyes and croco-tears, and he submitted to her fragility. The first man also had kids, and made the sacrifice for his family, because responsibility is masculine.

    The second man, on the other hand, lost a masculine war of dominance against a woman! She didn’t use any vulnerability tactics, she mocked and bossed and hit and swindled her husband right to his face. Yet he had the full financial upper-hand in his relationship. The only logical reason he would have been the physically and emotionally abused party in that relationship is that he utterly lacked any sort of normal masculinity.

    This guy would have no chance competing against a normal male. It’s no wonder he keeps getting fired. Few jobs have any room for someone with 0% ability to lead.

    The first husband lost against female tactics designed to defeat men, the second husband lost against male tactics that should only be effective when used by men.

    ::::Sure. About 33% of married men are actually happy in their marriage, and are treated well by their wives. The other 67%, however, range from bad to suicidally bad.

    These numbers are pulled directly out of ass. Less than 4% of men and women say they are unhappily married.
    http://www.jstor.org/pss/350523

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  50. on March 3, 2009 at 3:47 pm Carl Sagan

    Two very competitive entries.

    I rather like the BOTM series. Like every other human I enjoy the misery of others.

    I voted for the first story.

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  51. on March 3, 2009 at 3:59 pm Thor

    Rain And:

    I like what you say. I also voted for #2, but I don’t know if I could have fully explained my decision. Thanks for doing it for me.

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  52. on March 3, 2009 at 4:03 pm Zdeno

    Jesus Christ.

    They are both equally beta, but the 1% chance that the first guy hired someone to kill her wife’s fling nudges his expected beta value down enough to give #2 the nod.

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  53. on March 3, 2009 at 4:06 pm tro

    JM – on point, I agree 100%, it’s #2.

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  54. on March 3, 2009 at 4:07 pm biktopia

    Zdeno

    Perfect!

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  55. on March 3, 2009 at 4:17 pm Seeking Alpha

    Does anyone here have a beard? I need a recommendation for a trimmer.

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  56. on March 3, 2009 at 4:21 pm Cannon's Canon

    I voted for Number One, who is beta to the core. Even the guy’s best friend is beta enough to run off with his wife. Imagine the pedestal he must have placed her on. No alpha needs to bag his boy’s girl, let alone wife of ten years. I’m sure Colin turned his best friend on as he relayed the contents his wife’s sex journal in detail. Colin clearly can’t even talk shop with his boys without crying like an emotional bitch. Chances of his transcendence are zero.

    Number two is clearly under a heavy spell and is also a beta posterboy. However, he has also been duped by the guile of religion, as evidenced by his refusal to divorce his wife. For a middle-aged father, leaving God might be even harder than leaving your wife, but the doorway to a more ‘progressive’ faith remains. As T. has famously quipped, people respect you less for valuing others above yourself. If No Name can up his self-respect level, he might straighten his life out one day. I give his odds at transcendence a bountiful 3% (I am feeling optimistic today).

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  57. on March 3, 2009 at 4:22 pm No worries

    @Tood – if you missed the blog exchanges between Roissy and GMU prof Tyler Cowan, you should search the archives. Cowan is an economist whose Marginal Revolution blog is among the best commentary out there on the banking crisis and recession, but he pretty clearly has a sick obsession with Roissy’s dick. I would bet anything he’s the neighbor of Professional Engineer who recommended this blog.

    I’m not getting involved with the discussion on Islam. The rest of you guys can knock yourselves out.

    #1 has to be in the lead for beta of the year. The fact that he claims he thought about confronting or leaving his wife confirms the fact that he does actually have some self-respect – he just chooses to emasculate it in a desperate attempt to please his wife, because otherwise his life has no purpose. To me, that’s the difference between an alpha and an omega – the latter just doesn’t have a sense of self-worth to sacrifice.

    #2 is a sad story, too – it’s just too common. I get the feeling that if his wife would stop slapping him and agree to cut her trips back by 20%, he’d be okay with his life. It just doesn’t compare to taking a cheating wife to honor her dead lover.

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  58. on March 3, 2009 at 4:32 pm Bhetti B

    What I’m trying to say to you is the following: yes, a hell of a lot of muslims are being violent/barbaric/etc. A lot of muslim nations are slightly behind on civilisation. Do not attribute it to the religion, that’s just an excuse you’re using just as they are. Islam’s an extremely personal religion, it’s practically mandatory to learn Arabic and understand the Quran yourself instead of letting someone do it for you so that you can come to your own conclusions. In its pure practiced form, it is ultimately a reflection of your own intelligence and personality, and how you fit this with society.

    I’m muslim and what you’ve said TJF, none of it applies to me. I am not part of this set, therefore you must at least modify your phrasing to ‘Most’ or ‘Muslims in the following countries:’ or some sort of acknowledgement in this vein. I have lived in a muslim country and I did not personally experience nor did any of my acquaintances get beaten, tortured, raped, murdered or disfigured. The only incidences of violence/rape were one woman being ostensibly mugged by two random men wanting her purse and the other a Westernised relative who couldn’t even speak Arabic (practically raised in America and by its beliefs) who sexually abused a little girl. That is my personal experience of these events living in an Islamic country. Another one of my acquaintances was gay and for some reason openly flaunted it in the country; except for the bullying comments (not violence) recieved from his peers, he was allowed to be left alone. No forced hormonal treatment, no instant-burning-at-the-stake nothing.

    The ‘Mr. Peace-loving’ etc. was a symbol of supposedly superior civilisation and religious beliefs, as opposed to you personally. I didn’t think you’d misinterpret my meaning in that way.

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  59. on March 3, 2009 at 4:32 pm Cannon's Canon

    @Seeking Alpha
    “I’m just pointing out that when you say it’s guaranteed that your wife will abuse her power against you, it’s not true. It’s just possible.”

    I gotta side with Tood on this point, in a sense. Imagine the econ 101 graph. If the ‘supply’ of a woman’s maneuverable leverage over her husband increases (as it has through both legislative precedents and social mores), the demand curve representing the actual exercising of that power will not move, but equilibrium will be struck at a higher level. So, it is not a “guarantee” that anyone’s specific wife will wring them out, but rather, an absolute that this will become increasingly likely.

    Choosing between Tood’s blanket fatalism and your handpicked instances of successful, traditional marriages, I rate Tood’s claims with greater merit.

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  60. on March 3, 2009 at 4:34 pm Bhetti B

    Engineer: Yeah, there’re major problems in the muslim world. I don’t have any control over these except to exclaim at the stupidity, illogic and uselessness of it all.

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  61. on March 3, 2009 at 4:39 pm z

    Guys,

    Here are some “free” negs from Tony Clink’s book, “The Layguide”. These are considered old and have been around for a while, but a few of them are pretty funny:

    1) “What do you do?” She answers, “I’m a model.” You then reply, “Oh, like a hand model or something.”

    2)”Your dress is nice……..Ive seen you around before and you were wearing it then too.”

    3) When she is talking, say, “Oh gross, you just spit on me.”

    4)”Youre funny looking, but there’s something about you that intrigues me.”

    5) “Well, you have a great body…..and that makes up for a lot of other things.”

    6) “You blink a lot”

    7) “That is so cute, the way your nose wiggles when you talk.”

    8) “Youre kind of tall, and I like tall women. Are those four or five-inch heels you are wearing?”

    9) “I dont think we should get to know each other” She asks, “Why?” and you respond, “Well, you’re just too much of a nice girl for me.”

    10) “Thats a neat haircut. What do they call that——the waffle?”

    Those are supposedly old and have been around out there, but Im sure not every gal has heard them. I think the first one is pretty damn funny myself. Ive noticed that every one of these both falsely disqualify the man who uses the neg, and makes the girl feel a bit self-concious at the same time. This would be a prime psychological position to put her in to knock her off that pedestal. If the two Russian women at that “house-club” were hit with this (previous post), instead of high fives about being North Carolina Tar Heel basketball fans, the two men might have had much more luck.

    Im speed reading this little book, and will happily report anything else really intriguing about it. I thought the guys might get a kick out of the examples of the older negs. Tony Clink, the author, seems to think very highly of Erik Von Markowick’s Mystery Method, but goes over some other known approaches and highlights what he feels are their merits and demerits.

    One method, GM-style, sounds hilarious if you really are not afraid of social reprecussions. I’d like to be a fly-on-the-wall just seeing that one practiced on some really uppity D.C.-Lawyer-type chick for shits-and-giggles.

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  62. on March 3, 2009 at 4:41 pm Patrick Bateman

    When I’m doing my workouts and fantasizing about violence, the only times I actually get angry is when I’m fantasizing about brutalizing the weak males that have allowed our civilization to degrade to this.

    Sara writes
    I’ve had both, which is why I’m still looking.

    Rationalize it to yourself however you want. Fact is, you’re still looking because no real man will have you for more than a pump and dump. Judging by your posts, you have the type of personality that makes men flaccid.

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  63. on March 3, 2009 at 4:45 pm tokyojesusfist

    Bhetti B

    What I’m trying to say to you is the following: yes, a hell of a lot of muslims are being violent/barbaric/etc. A lot of muslim nations are slightly behind on civilisation. Do not attribute it to the religion, that’s just an excuse you’re using just as they are.

    There is no reason to believe that it’s caused by something other than religion, so I think I’m just going to keep blaming religion.

    Islam’s an extremely personal religion, it’s practically mandatory to learn Arabic and understand the Quran yourself instead of letting someone do it for you so that you can come to your own conclusions. In its pure practiced form, it is ultimately a reflection of your own intelligence and personality, and how you fit this with society.

    Muslims are more or less the same everywhere, so there isn’t much truth to this claim.

    I have lived in a muslim country and I did not personally experience nor did any of my acquaintances get beaten, tortured, raped, murdered or disfigured.

    And I’ve never met a Chinese person, but there are still over a billion of them in the world.

    The ‘Mr. Peace-loving’ etc. was a symbol of supposedly superior civilisation and religious beliefs, as opposed to you personally.

    Western civilization is superior to Islam, and so is Christianity.

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  64. on March 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm Bwahaha

    “Western civilization is superior to Islam, and so is Christianity.”

    Is Stormfront offline?

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  65. on March 3, 2009 at 5:07 pm tokyojesusfist

    Islam is not a race, so your favorite website has nothing to do with this.

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  66. on March 3, 2009 at 5:12 pm Bhetti B

    I give up with you. I try to acknowledge your perspective; you won’t even consider mine.

    You know what the anti-Western version of the typical wifebeating comments anti-Islamists throw out? It’s rape, sexual abuse, drugs, STDs and paedophilia. Human flaws and judgement are everywhere; your stubborness reeks of a typical fundamentalist muslim male you so despise, intent on villifying Jews and America.

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  67. on March 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm Sparks123

    I voted #2 but it was close. #1 was just a victim of his wife, #2 was actually providing the rope for his hanging to paraphrase Lenin.

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  68. on March 3, 2009 at 5:25 pm Anonymous

    Unbelievable. They both deserve to win

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  69. on March 3, 2009 at 5:26 pm Tood

    As Abraham Lincoln once said, suriving adversity does not indicate character, nor does compassion.

    To test a person’s true character, give them power.

    Within marriage, the power of the state backing the woman’s whims and ability to leave the husband at no financial risk to herself, will corrupt her to act within those incentives. The rare (33%) instances of tolerable or even happy marriages are where the woman is decent enough in character to not exercise the absolute power she wields over the husband, as bestowed to her by the state. If a man used Game to induce her into such benevolence, good for him.

    As women generally less moral and less merciful than men, marriage is an extremely risky proposition for a man, in this day and age.

    That is why, despite its flaws, I am rooting for Islam, if given a choice between Islam and feminism.

    Al-Qaeda is brutal and barbaric. It is the worst ideology ever. Yet, Al-Qaeda has killed how many Americans in the last 8 years? About 7000.

    How many men (and children) have suffered severe damage at the hands of feminist divorce laws in the last 35 years? 10 million? 20 million? 30 million? And perhaps the slow death of paying out 80% of what you make, and thus not being able to live your own life, is worse than an instantaneous death from having been in one of the planes that hit the WTC. What defines a ‘lost life’?

    So feminism has had a much higher cost to the US than Al-Qaeda has. Even a nuclear weapon in NYC that kills 1 million will still not equate to the number of men who effectively lost their lives to divorce.

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  70. on March 3, 2009 at 5:28 pm tokyojesusfist

    Bhetti B

    I give up with you. I try to acknowledge your perspective; you won’t even consider mine.

    I’ve heard it all before. I base my views on what’s actually going on, and not on what some people claim or wish is going on.

    You know what the anti-Western version of the typical wifebeating comments anti-Islamists throw out? It’s rape, sexual abuse, drugs, STDs and paedophilia. Human flaws and judgement are everywhere.

    Those things are not intrinsic parts of Western civilization. Rape, sexual abuse and pedophilia are not legally or socially accepted. Drugs are mostly illegal too. STDs are everywhere, but at least advanced nations have the means of controlling, preventing and curing them.

    Rape is a bigger problem in the Islamic world, and much more accepted. Women have mostly limited rights, and according to traditional Islamic law a woman must produce four male witnesses to prove that a rape occured. If she fails to do so, she will be accused of adultery or fornication. Assuming that her family won’t kill her first.

    Then there’s the fact that Muslim women need to be covered up (partially or completely) because Muslim men can’t keep their dicks in check. No impulse control. It is no great suprise that immigrants from Islamic cultures are responsible for disproportionate amounts of rapes in several European countries.

    Human rights, women’s rights, equality, democracy etc. came from Western civilization.

    Your stubborness reeks of a typical fundamentalist muslim male you so despise, intent on villifying Jews and America.

    My stubborness to believe in facts instead of wishful thinking and propaganda? I wouldn’t really care all that much about Muslims if they weren’t so hell-bent on trying to destroy us.

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  71. on March 3, 2009 at 5:28 pm Sparks123

    Even a nuclear weapon in NYC that kills 1 million will still not equate to the number of men who effectively lost their lives to divorce.

    It will when the Constitution is suspended the next day.

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  72. on March 3, 2009 at 5:28 pm Gunner

    I’m struck by how you use scatter shot anecdotes as proof of womens moral inferiority but ignore the fact that thieves, murderers, and thugs are all men. Women are no worse morally than men. It’s idiotic.

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  73. on March 3, 2009 at 5:29 pm Tood

    “Western civilization is superior to Islam, and so is Christianity.”

    Correction. Western civilization WAS superior to Islam (and all other civilizations), WHEN Christianity still had influence over Western society.

    You need to correct the wording of your sentence, as I have shown you.

    This is not 1989 or even 1999. It is 2009. Western Civilization has lost much of what made it great, except in the smaller towns and rural areas.

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  74. on March 3, 2009 at 5:31 pm tokyojesusfist

    Tood

    That is why, despite its flaws, I am rooting for Islam, if given a choice between Islam and feminism.

    You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Al-Qaeda is brutal and barbaric. It is the worst ideology ever. Yet, Al-Qaeda has killed how many Americans in the last 8 years? About 7000.

    How many men (and children) have suffered severe damage at the hands of feminist divorce laws in the last 35 years? 10 million? 20 million? 30 million?

    Al-Qaeda != all of Islam. Feminists couldn’t even dream of inflicting a fraction of the damage and misery that Muslims have caused during the past 1400 years or so, or even during the past few decades.

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  75. on March 3, 2009 at 5:34 pm tokyojesusfist

    Tood

    Correction. Western civilization WAS superior to Islam (and all other civilizations), WHEN Christianity still had influence over Western society.

    You need to correct the wording of your sentence, as I have shown you.

    This is not 1989 or even 1999. It is 2009. Western Civilization has lost much of what made it great, except in the smaller towns and rural areas.

    It will always be superior, because it’s not really possible to sink any lower than Islam.

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  76. on March 3, 2009 at 5:35 pm White Western Masculinist

    Re:tokyojesus – “Western civilization is superior to Islam, and so is Christianity.”

    Seeing as both Christianity and Islam are offshoots of the disgusting non-religion of Judaism (which is actually a Jewish racialist cult, not an actual religion), they are both utterly corrupt and bereft of real spirituality and meaning.

    Christianity and Islam, because they are nothing more than the pitiful bastard children of Judaism, are not at all Western/European but are in fact Near Eastern (Asiatic) in origin. They have only managed to graft themselves on to Western peoples and cultures because of excessive internal Jewish (Asiatic) influence on Western societies over the last 1,500 years; Christianity in particular has served to weaken White Western peoples over the last 1,000+ years with its emphasis on meekness, passivity, and pacifism (i.e., weak feminine traits), and as such it must be opposed at all costs. Some aspects of Christian philosophy and the fervent anti-Semitic activism of the historical Jesus is interesting, but the whole Son O’ God thing is just ridiculous and nothing more than your typical case of Jewish hyperbole and megalomania.

    It’s well beyond time to toss the petty, jealous, and ultimately feminine Middle Eastern God on to the dung heap of history and re-embrace the more robust native beliefs and systems of European/Western religion(s) which were not imperialistically imposed upon billions in the past few centuries.

    This wrathful, jealous, materialistic, and ultimately JEWISH Middle Eastern Sky God has played havoc with the collective White Western (non-Jewish) psyche of humanity for over 2,000 years – time to start undoing the damage.

    White Western men and women – it’s beyond time to let go of this vaginized, second-rate Jewish God-idea and start to rediscover the indigenous religions of your ancient European ancestors before they were cruelly misled by the laughably stupid Middle Eastern Sky God of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

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  77. on March 3, 2009 at 5:41 pm Tood

    “It will always be superior, because it’s not really possible to sink any lower than Islam.”

    You really don’t know what you are talking about.

    Western Free-Market Protestant Society > Islam > Leftism/Feminism/Socialism/Faggotism

    Sadly, since the first choice is now all but gone in Urban America, the second choice becomes better than the third choice.

    I wonder if you realize that Islamic birth rates are several times higher than SWPL birth rates. Who wins in the end?

    The only parts of the West that will survive are those that have Sarah Palin birth rates. So those places will still thrive.

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  78. on March 3, 2009 at 5:48 pm dougjnn

    biktopia —

    Those are wonderful feelings. I’m sure that having them before marriage, if you did end up getting married and then divorced, you’d be unlikely to be a true horror show divorcing wife, falsely making or vastly exaggerating abuse claims (“he threatened to hurt me, often. I was very affraid”. “He HIT me!!” two slaps without damage in five years to her 10 or more.), using the kids as levers, or dragging the whole thing out to extort more and more money and so on.

    But you’d be amazed at the pressures your divorce lawyer and your friends will put on you, especially if the husband you’re divorcing makes a lot of money. You will also change your own views, at least in part. People who get used to living a certain way almost always think they deserve to continue to no matter what. At least women do in our society. That’s certainly what everyone in the entertainment media on down tell them.

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  79. on March 3, 2009 at 5:49 pm charles martel

    Its pretty clear the first guy is the most serious beta piece of shit;but still,I voted for #2. Why you ask? becuase the stupid lousy dumb-ass is so concerned about “provoding” for his POS whore-pig wife!!!! Its not HUMAN to be such a doormat,to be so kind and caring. I am sure the man-hating scum will grudgingly approve of him!! But I say he is BOTM!!!

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  80. on March 3, 2009 at 5:50 pm Professional Engineer

    Bhetti B,

    Thank you for your honesty!

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  81. on March 3, 2009 at 5:50 pm Gunner

    Regarding islam and socialism and feminism: What a bunch of drama queens you guys are.

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  82. on March 3, 2009 at 5:53 pm db

    wow. just wow. i voted for #1, because i bet she started messing around with the friend as soon as she ended things with colin and i just feel terrible for the poor sap.

    this also horrifies me more than anything else i’ve read on here re a woman’s psyche. are we truly that terrible, cold and heartless? all signs point to yes, and that’s really scary.

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  83. on March 3, 2009 at 5:58 pm podunk

    Here’s a stupid question from Sara the incessant troll to make you stop and smell the roses: Is it just me, or does anyone else here find wimpy, insecure so-labelled betas and arrogant, phony posers (I refuse to call them alpha) equally unattractive? I’ve had both, which is why I’m still looking.

    As a straight male I can’t speak to the question of relative attractiveness, but I can tell you that – without a doubt – I would much prefer to be the man from whom you spitefully withhold the accolade ‘alpha’ than the man you willingly saddle with the pejorative ‘beta’.

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  84. on March 3, 2009 at 5:58 pm lurker

    Tokyojesus

    Islam built some of the largest, most powerful, and longest lasting empires on earth. The current radical form is bad, but its history from Muhammed to about the 19th century is a history of extreme organization, intelligence, discipline, and military prowress. Allah once reigned from China to Portugal, Russian to saharan Africa, with no breaks in between. Decrying Islam as inferior is a dangerously wrong statement, given the facts of history.

    What killed Islamic empires was, poetically enough, the same thing that killed Rome & Egypt, and is killing America: feminization. Women rose to power, demanded equal rights, threw off the constraints of morality, chastity, and family, and men became feminized, where they didn’t join the army, go to war, or fight, and generally yielded to material pleasures and women’s demands.

    The cycle is always the same; we merely are living slightly after the peak and are rushing towards the downfall. Someday, our descendants will be the people blowing themselves up, while the Islamic cultures debate in diplomatic consulates about intervention into our lands and about welfare.

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  85. on March 3, 2009 at 6:00 pm kdg

    I voted for #1, but after reading the comments, it’s really a tough call. Zdeno and Rain have some great arguments in favor of #2.

    Taking your wife to her dead lover’s funeral, though… there’s just something so surreal and transcendently beta about it. Very tough call. Thanks to Roissy for finding these stories.

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  86. on March 3, 2009 at 6:01 pm kdg

    er… thanks to 11minutes and twiceaday.

    also, stfu about Islam. None of you have a clue and it’s distracting from a good post.

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  87. on March 3, 2009 at 6:04 pm charles martel

    Oh BTW to this “sarah” bitch:Screw you,why dont you just revert to your true nature and start going down on the lezzie plumber who comes to your house to clear the drains of all the backed-up shit youve been spewing every nite after you polish off the Oreos,Haagen-daz and malted milk balls you shove into your puss on a nitely basis??

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  88. on March 3, 2009 at 6:20 pm lurker

    Another way to argue the feminization destroys society stuff is as follows: women work for consensus, men to dominate. When women gain power, they seek to compromise everyone’s beliefs, weakening the resolve of the people for any law or order, because it does not represent their true belief.

    Men, in war and invading, seek to completely dominate another culture. It is beyond compromise; it is it’s antithesis, and annihilates compromise. When a society becomes feminized, it is no longer united, and is easily ripped to shreds by a hungrier, man-driven society.

    Put your hands up in the air, boys, and enoy the roller coaster ride downwards. There’s no looking back now.

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  89. on March 3, 2009 at 6:28 pm dougjnn

    db–

    “this also horrifies me more than anything else i’ve read on here re a woman’s psyche. are we truly that terrible, cold and heartless? all signs point to yes, and that’s really scary.”

    Of course women greatly in what they actually do.

    But yes, our culture has tended to make women in general and pretty women especially incredibly spoiled and emotionally privileged.

    Women simply are no longer punished for these things like cheating, or far far less, while men are more than ever before. A man’s cheating is almost univerally blamed solely on him in hyper feminist America, while a woman’s cheating is often also blamed largely on him, esp. by the more progressive and feminist sorts — by most Obama supports and certain the gaga ones for example.

    That’s despite the fact that women’s cheating is far more consequential much of the time. Cuckolded pregnancies for one thing — and genes matter huge and should matter huge to any man with balls — passing yours rather than some other man’s on if you’re gonna go through raising kids. But also breakup of the relationship or devaluing it to companionship only. Women are far more likely to themselves decide to leave the marriage or anyway fall out of love if they cheat than men are. Especially less slutty women are. With men it’s usually their discovering wives who force the end of the marriage, or the end of sex between them which finally becomes the end of the marriage.

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  90. on March 3, 2009 at 6:33 pm tokyojesusfist

    Tood

    Western Free-Market Protestant Society > Islam > Leftism/Feminism/Socialism/Faggotism

    It may seem that way if you’re completely clueless about the true implications of Islamic rule.

    I wonder if you realize that Islamic birth rates are several times higher than SWPL birth rates. Who wins in the end?

    What does it matter? It won’t make Islam any better. It’ll still be the same old cult of death.

    lurker

    Islam built some of the largest, most powerful, and longest lasting empires on earth.

    In spite of Islam, not because of it. If Mohammed & co hadn’t been able to conquer or appropriate the cultures and achievements of others (with assistance from Christians and Jews), Islam would have never amounted to anything.

    Decrying Islam as inferior is a dangerously wrong statement, given the facts of history.

    If Hitler had won the war, should we be extolling the virtues of Nazi Germany as a great civilization?

    The cycle is always the same; we merely are living slightly after the peak and are rushing towards the downfall. Someday, our descendants will be the people blowing themselves up, while the Islamic cultures debate in diplomatic consulates about intervention into our lands and about welfare.

    Keep dreaming.

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  91. on March 3, 2009 at 6:40 pm racerx

    That first story is too hilarious. I don’t know how many women I have been with who were cheating on their clueless boyfriends or husbands at the same time. Truly, most women are the completely amoral creatures Roissy describes them as. Yes, men do the idealizing. And women enjoy sampling from that endless buffet of male attention.

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  92. on March 3, 2009 at 6:41 pm dougjnn

    One thing I’d like to say to those that argue that this site is only for followers of game, and those exploring is this.

    That’s not true. Roissy has two principal, interrelated, focuses here. The first is indeed to demonstrate the importance of game in not only getting more and hotter girls into bed with you, but also for good male lead relationship building and maintenance as well, and to teach some game as well. But there are quite a few other web places that teach some game.

    The second is to point out that part of why game has become so essential is the massive shift in prescribed sex roles, particularly for men, and the relations between the sexes wrought by hyper American feminism. This has been done most successfully among white guys who passed through college and particularly SWPL’s, esp. if they aren’t naturally blessed with upper tier levels of testosterone.

    I.e. this isn’t just or maybe even most about the practik of game, but also about the philosophy and anthropology/sociology of game in our current cultural ecosystem.

    Oh and he tells a hell of a lot of really good dating war stories.

    The combo has made this one of the premier, maybe the premier, place on the web for anti feminists to gather, especially younger ones. At least to my knowledge. Others?

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  93. on March 3, 2009 at 6:51 pm Henry Luce

    Roissy,

    Your point about the the destructive course upon which Western civilization currently finds itself careening brought to mind this recent story from the Daily Mail.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1156224/Moment-queue-jump-killer-struck-CCTV-images-innocent-Sainsburys-shopper-lost-life.html

    Here is a story that captures the unutterable decadence of Britain and the West in general. In a London store, a white female heroin addict and career thief, Antonette Richardson, got into an argument with a white man, Adam Prendergast, on a queue. She telephoned her black boyfriend and partner in crime, Tony Virasami, at their home and told him to come and punish the man for her. Virasami came immediately to the store and charged in, but instead of going after Prendergast, attacked the “wrong” man, Kevin Tripp, hitting him once with what witnesses described as a mighty blow to the face and knocking him to the ground, causing injuries from which Tripp later died. While Virasami was attacking Tripp, and even after Tripp was lying on the floor unconscious, Richardson kept pointing to the “correct” victim, Prendergast, and telling Virasami to hit him instead, but Prendergast escaped.

    It’s all on camera, the Mail has photographs going through the entire incident step by step. Virasami had been previously convicted for theft and assault, but was still free. Also, the slain man, Kevin Tripp, had a black female “partner;” with whom he had a five year old daughter. So, among other bizarre elements in this crime, a couple consisting of a black man and a white woman caused the death of a white man living with a black woman.

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  94. on March 3, 2009 at 6:55 pm Etty

    #1- fuck me.

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  95. on March 3, 2009 at 7:21 pm lurker

    boy, tokyojesus, you really are stupid:

    “In spite of Islam, not because of it. If Mohammed & co hadn’t been able to conquer or appropriate the cultures and achievements of others (with assistance from Christians and Jews), Islam would have never amounted to anything.”

    —bich, please. Your answer displays a serious lack of understanding of facts. Muslims were great scholars, writers, artists, and warriors. Medeival Christians extolled the virtues of Saladin, the Muslim warrior, because of his civilized nature.

    Your blindness to the facts of history mirrors anti-gamers’ blindness to women’s true nature. You simply refuse to look at the facts and render a judgment based on nothing but your own preferences for what history should be.

    “If Hitler had won the war, should we be extolling the virtues of Nazi Germany as a great civilization?”

    —-The initial conquerors are always Hitler-esque. Think Genghis Kahn slaughtering children and piling their skulls; Hannibal and Scipio Africanus; Cortez in the New World; heck, even American soldiers with small pox blankets and the Indians.

    We don’t like admitting that, but it is true; civilizations are built on the land of attackers, who are often madmen.

    And, genius, yes you would worship Hitler; Soviets worshipped Stalin despite his wholesale slaughters, precisely because his government had won. When his government had been deposed, sure, now they attack him, and we in the West did too; but still Stalin brings pride in former Soviets, if only because he was an alpha who conquered and controlled.

    Power is the world’s greatest ahprodesiac, as Henry Kissinger, no stranger to power himself, once stated.

    “:Keep dreaming.”

    —I live in a reality-based culture, moron.

    I repeat:

    The cycle is always the same; we merely are living slightly after the peak and are rushing towards the downfall. Someday, our descendants will be the people blowing themselves up, while the Islamic cultures debate in diplomatic consulates about intervention into our lands and about welfare.

    And remember, TTokyoJesus: those, like you, who deny reality are doomed to be victims of it.

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  96. on March 3, 2009 at 7:23 pm xsplat

    Chuck

    But no, I was once the guy-on-the-side of a woman cheating on her husband.

    You were once on the side.

    You thnk in terms of sides.

    You don’t include the whole picture, you prefer sides of pictures.

    You were once on the side.

    How very social of you.

    I was once, and twice, on the side of fucking a wife. Maybe three or four time, if I’d searh my memory.

    Side.

    What the hell is a side.

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  97. on March 3, 2009 at 7:24 pm xsplat

    And there you go.

    Some people choose sides in football matches.

    They are dumb.

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  98. on March 3, 2009 at 7:26 pm Tood

    Dougjnn’s post at 6:28 PM is worth bookmarking. I am in table-pounding agreement.

    Here is what the West has devolved to :

    1) Men are competing against the legal system and feminist brainwashing through propaganda. The legal system becomes more and more perverse against married men, and other Beta men side with the woman, rather than the man, just because that is the social norm.

    However, men are indirectly turning the tables, because :

    2) Women are competing against technology.

    2a) First, there were magazines with naked women, which could hardly do much to a relationship. Then, there was the VCR, but most men would be to hesitant to go to a seedy store to rent a cassette. Now, with the Internet, not only is porn just seconds away at any time, but a man can bookmark the porn he likes, rather than hope that the rented video is good vs. not.

    As technology advances further, by 2020, we will have 3-D, holographic video games with advanced AI. This will cause an interactive porn/stripper experience that has previously unreached levels of realism.

    Also, sexbots may be available by 2030, but this is less likely than the immersive VR porn technology.

    At any rate, more and more men will find that most women fall below the technology threshold, where VR sex with a 10 is better than dating a 6 or a 7. Dynamics will shift as a result.

    2b) The Game would not have emerged without the Internet. The Internet enabled the spread of knowledge of Game, the formation of lairs, the formation of coaching companies, and the existence of blogs like this. In fact, Game is arguably the very first example of Web 2.0 collaboration.

    Remember that just about everyone who discovers Game did so through the Internet, to begin with.

    So, men are competing against the legal system and media-driven culture, where women are competing against technology. That is why I think women’s power is currently peaking.

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  99. on March 3, 2009 at 7:28 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    -bich, please. Your answer displays a serious lack of understanding of facts. Muslims were great scholars, writers, artists, and warriors.

    In spite of Islam, and many of the people responsible for Islam’s brief golden age were Jews, Christians and recent converts.

    And, genius, yes you would worship Hitler

    Being a winner is not the same thing as being morally right, or civilized.

    And remember, TTokyoJesus: those, like you, who deny reality are doomed to be victims of it.

    Except I’m not denying reality, so whatever.

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  100. on March 3, 2009 at 7:36 pm Tood

    So, tokyojesusfist, what are you doing here, then?

    Join up, go to Afghanistan to kill Taliban and Al-Qaeda radicals, and defend the feminists and faggots in America from the Islam that would subjugate them. They would be so grateful to you for your military service.

    Talk is cheap. Actions speak.

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  101. on March 3, 2009 at 7:39 pm xsplat

    tood

    Remember that just about everyone who discovers Game did so through the Internet, to begin with.

    Not everyone is 22.

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  102. on March 3, 2009 at 7:41 pm Anon7

    Hey, can anyone direct me to where that exchange between tyler cowan and roissy took place? I’m having trouble finding it via both google and this site’s search engine.

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  103. on March 3, 2009 at 7:43 pm xsplat

    Anyway, tonight I gamed a store. The owner was begging for my number, and the (little pretty) girls were glancing with glares.

    The married owner is begging me for social advice.

    Problem is, I only have game when drunk. Oh well. Life is what you create from the constrainsts.

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  104. on March 3, 2009 at 7:43 pm zzzzzzzzzzzz

    wow, tokyo ruining yet another post…

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  105. on March 3, 2009 at 7:45 pm whiskey

    Roissy —

    Do the math. The second guy was married for thirty years. Assuming marriage at age 25 for her, she’s 55. She’s probably not banging Eduardo. Not even Teri Hatcher or Madonna at age 55 are pulling guys.

    I vote guy #1. However, it’s probably the result of social conditioning. You’ll see his kids if he had any, avoid commitment to any woman, basically just treat them as disposable objects.

    The second guy has thirty years of marriage, probably kids, it is understandable. HE does not want to be alone. I get that. He’s not young enough to have alternatives, it’s the Wife or nothing, being alone.

    Guy #1 had options. He was still young enough. He should have drained the bank account, walked out, demanded DNA testing if it was available, and fought any and all child support by refusing to cooperate and let the kids know WHY the marriage was over. Because they were not his kids. Lived a beach bum life. If you have nothing, nothing can be taken from you.

    Ladies — be forewarned. You get the kind of Beta investment you want/need only when it’s rewarded. Too many stories like #1, you’ll get Roissy and David A and not much in between.

    Sara — you get EXACTLY the kind of men women create. You see beta losers and playboy PUA? You have only your sisterhood to blame, since they created them.

    I have to go with Tokyo on this one. No to Islam. It’s the polygamy. Note female commenter makes excuses for Muslims. Ignoring that the most educated and middle class (Mohammed Atta, the guy who beheaded his wife, Zawahari, bin Laden) are the most violent and dangerous and prone to jihad.

    Women will always defend the Alpha, and nothing is more Alpha than Polygamy. Which most women support for obvious reasons (sharing the dominant guy).

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  106. on March 3, 2009 at 7:47 pm tokyojesusfist

    Tood

    So, tokyojesusfist, what are you doing here, then?

    Join up, go to Afghanistan to kill Taliban and Al-Qaeda radicals, and defend the feminists and faggots in America from the Islam that would subjugate them. They would be so grateful to you for your military service.

    I’m not American, so that would be difficult for me to do. Killing terrorists in Afghanistan is utterly pointless anyway.

    Talk is cheap. Actions speak.

    Where did I say or imply that I’m going to take some kind of action? And how is any of this relevant?

    zzzzzzzzzzzz

    wow, tokyo ruining yet another post…

    What are you talking about?

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  107. on March 3, 2009 at 7:54 pm xsplat

    wiskey

    Lived a beach bum life. If you have nothing, nothing can be taken from you.

    You are usually specific and thought out. Is that your final answer.

    Beach bums.

    Think about that.

    Give me your final answer.

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  108. on March 3, 2009 at 7:58 pm Bhetti B

    whiskey: just to point out that I sang the praises to the tree-hugging (or er KILL THE YOUNG MALE HUMANS BUT NOT THE TREES) policies rather than whatever people consider “alpha” about Islam.

    I did express support for polygamy, though. Your point stands.

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  109. on March 3, 2009 at 7:59 pm Tood

    “I’m not American, so that would be difficult for me to do. Killing terrorists in Afghanistan is utterly pointless anyway.”

    Copout. There are many countries in the coalition in Afghanistan, including South Korea and Japan. All major developed countries are present in the coalition, and I am sure your country is represented there.

    Why is killing terrorists in Afghanistan pointless, if, according to you, Islam is so horrible?

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  110. on March 3, 2009 at 8:01 pm Tood

    “I did express support for polygamy, though. Your point stands.”

    Why do you support polygamy? What do you see as the pros and cons?

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  111. on March 3, 2009 at 8:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Holy Shit you outdid yourself with those two stories.

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  112. on March 3, 2009 at 8:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    “1. Gunner
    I’m struck by how you use scatter shot anecdotes as proof of womens moral inferiority but ignore the fact that thieves, murderers, and thugs are all men. Women are no worse morally than men. It’s idiotic.”

    Type woman kill men or husband or woman thieves or woman beatdown into search you will find that woman can be thieves murderers and thugs. They really are equal no special laws needed to protect them.

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  113. on March 3, 2009 at 8:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    The guys who think that won’t be me on the getting a good assfucking from their woman in divorce. Well the woman divorcing you will not be the same woman you were with before she decided to leave you and then created the demonization of you in her head to then tell the judge and your kids and her friends about.

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  114. on March 3, 2009 at 8:11 pm steve

    “xsplat

    tood

    Remember that just about everyone who discovers Game did so through the Internet, to begin with.

    Not everyone is 22.”

    Tood, your theory is well thought out, but flawed.

    Remember, instead of all this technology stuff, Prostitutes have been around since the beginning of time. So, go easy with all the hologram stuff.

    Also, Game has been around since way before the internet.

    I have been wildin with electrical tape since ’88. Or earlier.

    The Internet has certainly spread “Game Technique” very fast, though. For better or worse.

    – MPM

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  115. on March 3, 2009 at 8:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    The muslim thing. It is exactly because there are men in the muslim countries willing to die for what they believe that keeps woman in line and makes even the betas alpha. If woman know not think or maybe but know they will die if caught cheating it probably makes it easier to keep their legs closed. Men also get a bonus gift of a virgin when they marry. So yea not a bad deal. The

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  116. on March 3, 2009 at 8:12 pm The G Manifesto

    Not sure why it says “steve” above.

    The above comment was by me.

    – MPM

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  117. on March 3, 2009 at 8:13 pm Tood

    “…before she decided to leave you and then created the demonization of you in her head to then tell the judge and your kids and her friends about.”

    Indeed. That is what men don’t get. That is why a man is forced to go through the excruciating process of both thinking “I thought things were OK, what happened here?” while simultaneously having to deal with the legal system.

    No wonder divorced men have a 20% suicide rate.

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  118. on March 3, 2009 at 8:16 pm Bhetti B

    Islamic Game?

    I love that guy!

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  119. on March 3, 2009 at 8:17 pm Tood

    Furthermore, while individual cases of happy marriages exist, here is a simple fact :

    All over the Internet, you will see tons of websites telling men not to marry, recounting the horror stories of divorce court, etc. Whether this happens to 10%, 20%, or 40% of men is irrelevant.

    You will never see this among women’s sites. They will NEVER say that marriage is a bad deal for women. That is because it is a bad deal for such a small percentage of women that it does not merit mention. The 1 in 100,000 examples of Scott Peterson or OJ Simpson are meaningless, and are negated by Phil Hartman.

    Sure, there will be women’s sites that encourage women to work it out with her husband, or how to please him in bed, and fine, that is good. But you will NEVER see a claim that marriage is a bad deal for women. NEVER.

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  120. on March 3, 2009 at 8:18 pm xsplat

    I’m not sure if alcohol ever allows for maudlin behaviour.

    So I’m trying to balance being sloppy with being … social.

    Roissy has a consistency of quality that deserves merit badges.

    I write as a genius, sometimes. I’m incredible. But Roissy has consistency.

    K, That’s my maudlin about that.

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  121. on March 3, 2009 at 8:18 pm towson

    I picked beta #1

    the ending with him taking her to the grave set me off.

    Naturally, both are ginormous pussies.

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  122. on March 3, 2009 at 8:18 pm Chuck

    xsplat:

    I’ll allow you one moment of retardation, and one only.

    I was the guy on the side. I was fucking a married woman.

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  123. on March 3, 2009 at 8:21 pm Tood

    “Remember, instead of all this technology stuff, Prostitutes have been around since the beginning of time. So, go easy with all the hologram stuff.”

    No. Prostitition is :

    1) Illegal
    2) Risky in terms of disease
    3) Almost no prostitutes are 10s.

    Holographic VR has many advantages over prostitition, if the technology becomes real enough.

    “I have been wildin with electrical tape since ‘88. Or earlier.”

    How many people were TEACHING game in 1988? What fraction of students were mastering it?

    Naturals have existed since long before 1988. But others did not know how to copy them.

    If you don’t think the Internet expanded both the number of students and quality of game science by orders of magnitude, you are crazy.

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  124. on March 3, 2009 at 8:23 pm Bhetti B

    Polygamy:
    Pros:
    no.1 (and this is really important!): He’s happy and has outlets.
    no. 2: I can maybe have a job and some space, because he can have other distractions.
    no. 3: I know who the competition is, and I know he’s at least doing right by us both.

    Cons:
    no. 1 : leverage and trying to play me off against the other wife (or wives).
    no. 2: not much control over the kind of person he chooses.
    no. 3: Jealousy and insecurity on my part.
    no. 4: Hygiene issues and worries.

    As with everything, there’s an ideal way for it to happen and a non-ideal way. It ultimately depends on the man in question.

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  125. on March 3, 2009 at 8:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    I would not mind having my sons or daughters grow up under muslim indoctrination. Hence why I will probably be converting. My son gets to have a virgin and my daughter gets to be a virgin when he/she gets married. She doesn’t pick up a shitload of baggage from “dating” around. I get to pick a nice rich man for her. Whats not to like. I also like the fact that muslims tend to have the death penalty. Like if you rape a woman in Saudi they chop your fucking head off quickly. Quick justice just like America used to talk about. If you bring drugs into Indonesia they are going to shoot you in a firing squad. Simple things you can avoid doing. Got to like it. And hey if you are innocent again you get to tell God about it no long uneeded suffering waiting for a trial and crap. Head chopped off, shot. I love it. Of course Indonesia is not the strict muslim like that they just actually have culture. I don’t know its hard to explain. Yemen would be more along the lines of if your daughter is screwing around the father would have to kill her. Again though that father has the balls to accept responsability for his family. That is how they keep the womans sexual drives in check. Obviously the other crap doesn’t work. Everything really does come down to vagina. The reason one culture hates another is usally based on how they look at treating their vagina. Kind of like all these divorced guys who tried to reason with their woman to be fair and all didn’t work out too well. Now show me some guys who told their woman if you try to take my kids and all my shit I will kill your ass. Now let us see what happened to them if the woman took them seriously probably brought a little reason into their womans lives.

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  126. on March 3, 2009 at 8:32 pm The G Manifesto

    Tood

    “No. Prostitition is :

    1) Illegal
    2) Risky in terms of disease
    3) Almost no prostitutes are 10s.”

    1) So is jaywalking. And smoking in bars. And gambling most places. Who cares what some government says is “legal” and “illegal” when they do the same. Following rules is for monkeys.

    2) All girls are. Where a condom. The lines between civilian girls and hookers is blurred anyway. Especially in a Down Economy. Female lawyers are starting to sell themselves.

    3) Travel a little. Perhaps Amsterdam. Or near by as Las Vegas. Many of the most attractive girls in the world, “work” on the side.

    “How many people were TEACHING game in 1988?”

    I get your point now.

    “Naturals have existed since long before 1988.”

    You are reading a comment by one.

    “But others did not know how to copy them.”

    Those with brains did. I will give you that the internet has made it “easier”.

    “If you don’t think the Internet expanded both the number of students and quality of game science by orders of magnitude, you are crazy.”

    Agreed.

    – MPM

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  127. on March 3, 2009 at 8:33 pm The G Manifesto

    I don’t even know what “Holographic VR” is.

    – MPM

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  128. on March 3, 2009 at 8:40 pm Cannon's Canon

    Anyone else see that Obama called bottom on the stock market tonight??? WOOOOOOOOOOO let the good times roll!!

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  129. on March 3, 2009 at 8:40 pm xsplat

    Chuck

    xsplat:

    I’ll allow you one moment of retardation, and one only.

    I was the guy on the side. I was fucking a married woman.

    You’re giving me a shit test.

    Your ass is fat/not fat. You are a good/bad person for fucking a married woman.

    What?

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  130. on March 3, 2009 at 9:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Bhetti B
    Polygamy:
    Pros:
    “no.1 (and this is really important!): He’s happy and has outlets.
    no. 2: I can maybe have a job and some space, because he can have other distractions.
    no. 3: I know who the competition is, and I know he’s at least doing right by us both.”

    You ain’t bs’in
    If I had 6 other woman like my wife we would definetly be a billionaires by the time i am 50.
    Yea it really scales things. Like one can watch the kids other 6 can work. Guy just has to be a good CEO to put the resources into big things for the families benefit.

    Like easily being able to break into the things that make 100 percent return on investment that usually have comparatively high break in point to keep people from accidentaly becoming rich. (Like buying a mcdonalds that already exists for a million dollars when it makes a million in a year for you yet most people don’t have a million dollars) The indians figured out how to do this with relatives. (Or covering an acre with hydroponic greenhouses to produce 150 tons of tomatos in a year.)

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  131. on March 3, 2009 at 9:05 pm Perseus

    Roissy,

    The psycho-slut, Charlotte Roche, mentioned above is truly repulsive. I have not read that book but if I come across it in a bookstore I will have to browse through it. The fact that the “literary world” has so embraced this work is a reflection of how completely decadent our culture has become. A girl writing about her lack of hygiene, among other things, and this being embraced by some as a good, liberating thing, is bizarre, if that is in fact one of the things going on in the book. I have not read it so I really do not know.

    Lurker,

    You mentioned how religious women are happier than their more secular counterparts. I think this is generally true. One of the contradictions of our world today is that the more men desire women to act like them so that men can reap the sexual benefits, the more repulsed men become by the behavior of a lot of women in the long run. The notion of a Darwinian free for all world can only lead to one thing: chaos, which in turn will lead to some group imposing their moral or ethical system upon that chaos. A vacuum has to be filled eventually. Books like Charlotte Roche speak to the vacuum we now live in in the West in general. In Europe that vacuum is slowly being filled by Islam. At least in America we still have some of our historic roots in place, although threatened.

    No man could possibly find a chick like Charlotte Roche that attractive, beyond a one night pump and dump session.

    I think it can be said with some truth that you are more likely to find decent, faithful women among the more religious than not. I think in the end that is what most men are looking for in women. And a religious woman will more likely to be more receptive in an honest, sincere way to the traditional romantic advances of a man. No one is perfect and I don’t want to idealizing anything too much, but it is now so hard to find our culture.

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  132. on March 3, 2009 at 9:08 pm Chic Noir

    chuck She very casually introduced us w/o a look of fear or remorse on her face. she said “this is my friend chuck” as she introduced her husband and I.

    Fucmking unbelievable! The balls of some people. Lord knows how her husband didn’t put two and two together with you looking so uncomfortable. I saw an episode of Cheaters where the woman passed her sidepiece off as her gay best friend. Dude was eating this man’s food and lazing about in his home in addition to screwing his woman. SMH It’s so hard to believe that some people are without or empathy.

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  133. on March 3, 2009 at 9:10 pm Chic Noir

    the G 3) Travel a little. Perhaps Amsterdam. Or near by as Las Vegas. Many of the most attractive girls in the world, “work” on the side.

    Not those chicks in the windows. I saw an average of 6.5 at most. I even saw two grannies in windows.

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  134. on March 3, 2009 at 9:21 pm ironrailsironweights

    Rather than Beta of the Month, how about GNP of the Day?

    Peter

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  135. on March 3, 2009 at 9:30 pm Checked Out

    Story #1 gets my vote. Comforts his wife when her lover dies? Takes her to the grave? That man is a lilly-livered waste of flesh.

    As an aside, someone mentioned Charlene Royal, who lost weight to lose her virginity. Sad case. I’d say there’s a very high likelihood she’s going to turn into a skank, constantly confusing sex for love.

    Oh well.

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  136. on March 3, 2009 at 9:36 pm dougjnn

    Tood —

    “You will never see this among women’s sites. They will NEVER say that marriage is a bad deal for women. That is because it is a bad deal for such a small percentage of women that it does not merit mention.”

    True. Well, make never “virtually never”. For the reasons you state.

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  137. on March 3, 2009 at 9:44 pm ae

    TokyoJesusFist is so beta – he’s worried about women being raped, beaten, etc. What a male feminist. Women like force, they like dominance. Just because a muslim slaps a woman across her face doesn’t make him any less alpha than Roissy slapping a woman across her face.

    I think I’ve said it before as well – Islam has some very appealing parts to it.

    Just look at all of the Muslims who have been exposed to other ideas and Western culture – do they convert? Do they change? Nope! They know their culture works!

    Even look at any happiness index. Muslim countires are happier.

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  138. on March 3, 2009 at 9:47 pm Sara I

    charles martel

    Oh BTW to this “sarah” bitch:Screw you,why dont you just revert to your true nature and start going down on the lezzie plumber who comes to your house to clear the drains of all the backed-up shit youve been spewing every nite after you polish off the Oreos,Haagen-daz and malted milk balls you shove into your puss on a nitely basis??

    You kinda turn me on charles. Malted milk balls shoved into my pussy nightly? Where do people come up with this stuff?

    Patrick Bateman

    Rationalize it to yourself however you want. Fact is, you’re still looking because no real man will have you for more than a pump and dump. Judging by your posts, you have the type of personality that makes men flaccid.

    Judging by my posts I make MYSELF flaccid. LOL

    podunk

    As a straight male I can’t speak to the question of relative attractiveness, but I can tell you that – without a doubt – I would much prefer to be the man from whom you spitefully withhold the accolade ‘alpha’ than the man you willingly saddle with the pejorative ‘beta’.

    I know, but still it’s not a great choice. How about a 3rd choice? Roissy subscribes to the only two choices approach to life. Very limiting.

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  139. on March 3, 2009 at 9:51 pm Cannon's Canon

    Tokyojesusfist is so beta that he is bearish on small caps, long in US dollars, and sees no value in unsecured bonds! HAHAHAHAHAHA

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  140. on March 3, 2009 at 9:53 pm Grim

    3ed choice would be?

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  141. on March 3, 2009 at 9:53 pm z

    Guys,

    A commenter on Whiskey’s blog, made a point about an invention called “ARTIFICIAL WOMBS” and what their effect will be on the sexual dynamic.

    I looked around the net on info about ARTIFICIAL WOMBS and seen that some scientists believe that they will be a reality in about 30 years time.

    This would be a huge, gigantic, enormous shift in social dynamics. All the polite, nice, decent betas will no longer need a woman to have offspring. All they would probably need is about 20K, chump change for techno-savvy betas.

    This guy had a blog (it was Middle-somethingorother and dealt with the problems the middle class is having in the modern economy, etc). He also pointed out the sexbots and their potential to change the social dynamics. The picture of the sexbot that we seen via Roissy’s post on the subject didn’t look all that inviting, but think about how far video games have come in 20 years. We had “Defender” on Atari and Intellivision 20 years ago, vs. what we have now. If serious nerds who are into it get involved in the development of sexbots………………….look for startling advances in the technology until you have Angelina Jolie with bigger tits and better legs minus the save-the-world-attitude and plus-a-heaping-helping-of-kinkyness all rolled into one exotic package, delivered fresh to your door for perhaps 20K, creamy white and good for you. I can see well-paid software engineers going for it myself. Hell, I can see guys going into software engineering just to be able to afford it.

    Think about the technical possibilities guys………………….a man can have two or three kids with no woman through artificial wombs, and can have a Angelina Jolie who likes to swallow and loves it hardcore that he can “turn off” when he wants to watch TV. The wymyn’s studies departments wont like it, but the blogger was right about the change in social dynamics. It would be huge.

    BTW————On reconsideration, Whiskey does have a point about beta number 1 being the larger beta. I personally cringed at beta numero 2 allowing his cuntbitchwhoreslutsuccubusbiooootch wife go on vacations that he paid for without him, but as Whiskey has pointed out, that chap was probably at least in his fifties, and had raised a family with her. Those are mitigating circumstances and quite sad. Just think, she did it to him after he was a faithful loving husband all of those decades.
    Just think if he could replace the old hosebag with a young sexbot that looked like Meagan Fox. He probably would put up with a little less shit if that were an option for himself.

    The progress of artificial wombs could truly be huge in taming western women, and cutting them out of men’s pockets financially.

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  142. on March 3, 2009 at 9:55 pm Lupo

    Alphaseeker: “With all due respect, if you’re not married then your opinions on the subject are as useless as the opinions of those guys with great theoretical knowledge of game but poor execution.”

    Well, what if he’s porking married women? Marriage is pretty horrible. Some people manage to pull it off. I’ve yet to meet a man of my generation who could be married to a normal American female and be reasonably happy for longer than 5 years. I’m sure they exist, they’re just incredibly rare. The happy couples I know of are manly American men like Fred Reed who shacked up with women from other countries.

    Personally, I think the first story is at least a partial fabrication. I mean, come on; the cuckolder was lost at sea? He was a fucking truck driver. What was he doing in the ocean? It’s such a shaggy dog story, it reeks of fabrication. I vote Beta of the month for Shirley Valentine’s ex husband who thought his wife’s mexican jumping bean looked anything like him. Nice find.

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  143. on March 3, 2009 at 9:59 pm Fatwa

    “I lived in the Emirates and when I was taught the government-approved curriculum, there was NO emphasis on violence: charitable acts, consideration, awareness of cleanliness, the wonder of God’s creation (i.e. look how beautiful this Earth is! By the way, did you know that it is part of Islamic war never to cut a tree?) ethical arguments about why God may have said this deed is wrong or that is right and antisexuality/homosexuality were the order of the day.”

    Sounds like a great place, no Jews about…
    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/02/15/66490.html

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  144. on March 3, 2009 at 10:08 pm DT

    Personally, having done Beta things in the past (although fortunately not within the trap of marriage), it makes be cringe to read these things.

    But for the grace of game go I.

    God I’m happy I didn’t get married before discovering game. I’ve learned a lot from different books and web sites, but I have to hand it to Roissy for revealing the ugly truths about female nature.

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  145. on March 3, 2009 at 10:10 pm ae

    If you want to talk about a Beta religion, it’s Buddhism – SWPL’s favorite choice. THAT’s what much of Western Civilization is moving to nowadays (along with Atheism).

    I bet the first guy is a closet Buddhist.

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  146. on March 3, 2009 at 10:19 pm Ben

    Its a sad day when its come to the point that I would rather read a comment by ktuluah or whatever her name is over tokyojesusfist.

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  147. on March 3, 2009 at 10:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    Marriage would not be as shitty of a proposition for men though if there were not the shitty laws. Woman would not act the same way in divorce if they couldn’t take all the mans shit and destroy what he created. Shows how powerful men are that they can still come back from that sort of soul whipping. Look at saras ex as an example.

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  148. on March 3, 2009 at 10:23 pm Chuck

    xsplat:

    “Your ass is fat/not fat. You are a good/bad person for fucking a married woman.”

    ah, i see your point. you are wise in your inebriation.

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  149. on March 3, 2009 at 10:36 pm Chuck

    ae:

    “If you want to talk about a Beta religion, it’s Buddhism”

    Interesting point. I’d like to see a discussion on this.

    Buddhism’s followers are definitely most beta given their lack of desire for anything material (this means pussy). At the same time, their inner game is pretty tight if they don’t *desire* anything. One trait of an alpha is that no one thing has too much importance in his life that it alters his core identity. Many men who are alpha or strive to be alpha have their alphaness laid on a flimsy pedastal of objects of desire.

    Anyway, this subject is wide open for discussion and exploration, I don’t aim to know the answer.

    As a side note: which major religious *figure* is most alpha? In this sense, since Jesus never punched his V-card, which leader would have been more alpha w/o their pesky dogma?

    I’m voting Mohammed. Although Jesus had that rock star long hair and baby blue eyes that could have got him some ass if he wanted.

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  150. on March 3, 2009 at 10:37 pm Tupac Chopra

    The happy couples I know of are manly American men like Fred Reed who shacked up with women from other countries.

    It worked out for my father.

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  151. on March 3, 2009 at 10:37 pm David Alexander

    Western multi-culti nuts

    I’m a Western multi-culti nut, and I don’t think Islamic law should be used. Muslims should understand that in the West, one follows Western laws, the laws of the State, and that Sharia will never be an option. If you want Sharia, go home.

    Islam is inherently incapable of producing successful societies.

    Isn’t this from the guy who hurls “Stormfront” as an insult?

    Too many stories like #1, you’ll get Roissy and David A and not much in between.

    Wait, woman bangs Roissy, David hugs her, and acts like Santa Claus by handing over cash and money to the kids while not having to bang her ugly ass or be married to her or dealing with her “shit tests”? I get to railfan and roadgeek in peace and she gets to bang alphas? I get female companionship at no cost to me?

    Sign me up!

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  152. on March 3, 2009 at 10:38 pm Tood

    z,

    Your point is silly. It is possible today to be a single dad by making use of donor eggs, IVF, and a surrogate mother. This can be done for about $30,000 today.

    If you go to India or Thailand to do it, it would cost much less, even after travel.

    And yes, you can have 3 kids happening simultaneously across 3 different women.

    So your ‘artificial womb’ idea is a dud.

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  153. on March 3, 2009 at 10:42 pm Tood

    “Muslims should understand that in the West, one follows Western laws, the laws of the State, and that Sharia will never be an option. If you want Sharia, go home.”

    Then you are not a true multi-culti nut. Your statement above puts you on par with Michael Savage.

    In Britain, Muslims have the right to apply Sharia law to family matters, rather than British Law, and British authorities accept it.

    American leftists would enact this too, if they could. The ACLU and CAIR are pushing for it.

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  154. on March 3, 2009 at 10:42 pm Ritter

    Bhetti B said on polygamy:

    “As with everything, there’s an ideal way for it to happen and a non-ideal way. It ultimately depends on the man in question.”

    Bhetti B, you laid out some pros and cons for those who are involved in a polygamous relationship. The big con of widespread polygamy, though, is the men who are unable to find wives because a few men are monopolizing many women.

    This, to say the least, does not make these men very happy. They often turn to violence to acquire either the wealth and power needed to get a woman, or to acquire women directly in the form of slaves.

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  155. on March 3, 2009 at 10:51 pm Tood

    For thousands of years of human history, the template of society was :

    1) Super Alpha becomes king
    2) King takes up all the hottest women
    3) King sends poorer men off to fight a war and get themselves killed off. If another dominion is annexed, so much the better, and that place will have a surplus of women too.
    4) King scoops up even more poor, younger women among the peasants, since there are fewer men available now.

    Many times, a pair of kings who were not even enemies would go to war with each other just to solve their mutual problem, and cull the excess men. After a lot of soldiers are killed, the hostilites would be called off. Thus, both kings have more women to scoop up without excess men to cause social unrest. This was an unwritten understanding that kings had with each other.

    Where things fall apart is after a generation or two, when a prince inherits the throne, but is not as alpha as his younger brother or some noble-man, who then ousts him.

    Then the process repeats.

    That was the natural order.

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  156. on March 3, 2009 at 10:57 pm Lupo

    TJF dude, I’m not a big fan of Islam, but I’m with Tood.
    I recently helped get a job for a Muslim friend of mine, and got to have dinner with his wife (a scientist) and kid. We mostly joked about what a bunch of degenerate scumbags populate our city. These folks are real religious, and I’m not, and while we didn’t discuss it, I suspect our ideas on American foreign policy differ appreciably: yet I have far more in common with them than any random sample of 1000 people in Berkeley. Simply because we all share a common belief in some very fundamental common sense ideas about morality. I don’t share their theistic beliefs, but if I had to choose between a world run by them, and a world run by Berkeley: it’s Allah the merciful for Brother Lupo. I’d seriously consider it if those were my two alternatives. Fortunately, there are still places like Texas and Singapore, so it really isn’t a choice I need to make at present.

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  157. on March 3, 2009 at 11:19 pm Tood

    Again, my position is :

    Western Free-Market Protestant Society that attracts SKILLED immigrants > Islam > Leftism/feminism/socialism/faggotism.

    Since the first choice is now permanently gone, Islam becomes the second choice, which is better than the third choice.

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  158. on March 3, 2009 at 11:22 pm joel

    I actually sympathize with #1. He was acting the way a good woman might act towards her lover if he “strayed.”

    He thought being a good, generous man would count for something with a woman. A fool, surely, but a common failing among men.

    But, that is a big mistake all betas make. Assuming women have a moral compass sorta similar to men. But, they don’t.

    Best advice for any man who catches his girl/wife cheating. Drop her immediately. There is no fixing that situation. Don’t give her a “2nd” chance.Don’t imagine a reconciliation. Don’t imagine she is regretful for one second. She doesn’t care one bit for any of the harm and pain she has caused you. Women are entirely self centered.

    Women are worried only about themselves and their children. Nothing else.

    You know, if what I wrote above is true (and I know it is) marriage is really, really a bad idea for most men.

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  159. on March 3, 2009 at 11:25 pm z

    Tood,

    A woman is willing to be a surrogate for a mere 30K? Thats hard for me to believe. I thought women wanted roughly 100K for that. This even before the IVF and donor eggs, etc.?

    Didn’t know that was so cheap. If thats the case, Im suprised more men dont’ do it that way.

    BTW—–I read a funny “GM” style game “neg” of sorts and I thought it was good for a laugh.

    A guy walks up to a girl in a bar after he has seen her look at him once, and says to her “I cant believe you are looking at me like that, you are such a slut”. When she gasps, right before she has a chance to bail, he says, “see, you dont even know that you are doing it, thats how big of a slut you are”.

    GM style is apparently going up to a chick cold, and accusing her of wanting to suck your dick, fuck you all night, etc. and quickly saying that you are kidding between innuendos—-so that she cannot get a word in edgewise. A Paris-based PUA apparently invented it, and has pretty good success with it. Some of the jokes the author uses for GM that a guy would have to use are hysterical. One was “I like your legs, I’ll call one of them Christmas, and the other New Years……………………so can I see you between the holidays?”

    My favorite: “Do these pants make my dick look fat?, be honest I can tell youve been looking at my crotch”.

    Dont think I could keep a straight face while running these, but would love to see someone who could turn off his sense of humor do it and tape it. The looks on their faces would be priceless, the colder the approach the better.

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  160. on March 3, 2009 at 11:29 pm The G Manifesto

    Chic Noir

    “Not those chicks in the windows. I saw an average of 6.5 at most. I even saw two grannies in windows.”

    You were on the wrong streets.

    – MPM

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  161. on March 3, 2009 at 11:33 pm Confused

    —on March 3, 2009 at 11:07 pm Roisy
    You are a fucking waste. And you should stop acting like a superfag.
    You are going to run in to a real Alpha at some point. Fuck your face, you goddamn fag ass.—

    You’ve posted 3 photos of the guy(if it is indeed him, I have no idea). In one, he has a beer, in the other, it looks like he mixing music(?)and has another beer in front of him and the 3rd is kind of cropped. If those photos are supposed to make him look bad, ugly faggy, I’m not seeing it. I’m not sure what your point is. At least you could do a little photoshop or something. Your website simply isn’t that creative.

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  162. on March 3, 2009 at 11:34 pm Tood

    “As a side note: which major religious *figure* is most alpha?”

    Mohammad was a pedophile who got a 9-year-old ‘bride’ when he was 53.

    The MOST alpha religious figure is Krishna. Multiple girlfriends on the side outside of his wife.

    But Hindu Indians are among the most Beta people in the world today, so they haven’t learned anything from Krishna.

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  163. on March 3, 2009 at 11:35 pm Tanked

    Dont think I could keep a straight face while running these, but would love to see someone who could turn off his sense of humor do it and tape it. The looks on their faces would be priceless, the colder the approach the better.

    Have few drinks first, maybe like 10 or 11. Always works for me.

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  164. on March 3, 2009 at 11:46 pm ironrailsironweights

    Here’s a GNP close-up that must be absolutely bursting with flavor!

    Peter

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  165. on March 3, 2009 at 11:53 pm whiskey

    Z — those are good points. I’d forgotten about them. Technology is always the great equalizer.

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  166. on March 4, 2009 at 12:31 am goldoildrugz

    i voted for the latter option probably as a result of your structure more than anything else

    it’s hard to tell… they are both perfect posterboys for obsequious modern manhood

    nonetheless while the former is obviously as big a pussy as the latter, the way you deliver the pussiness of the second guy’s existence is wonderful.

    i mean the first one… you hear the start, you know the end.

    the second one… first, qutting a good job because the wife wants a “go-getter”, then doing the housework, THEN paying for her new clothes to whore up for the men she undoubtedly sees on the vacations he pays for, THEN SHE BEATS HIM WHEN SHE IS DRUNK, AND T H E N he wants to pay her- until death- for the privilege. it’s just wonderful wreckage like those pieces of postmodern art that are little more than bent, twisted metal

    (i’m also accomodating the possibility that the first guy had somebody “fall” the other guy overboard… if he did he seemingly regressed into pusshood immediately after…)

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  167. on March 4, 2009 at 12:32 am Da_Truth_Hurts

    You guys really don’t know what the fuck you are talking about when it comes to Islam. It is a societal step backwards. The ancient Arab scholars that excelled in science are replaced by xenophobic mullahs and clerics.

    I’ve spent a great deal of time in Suadi, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, Iraq and I’ve been in Afghanistan for while now. Yes I’m military, but I’m not a grunt. I frequent the country side, the city and learn allot about these people.

    Firstly, Suadi is a terrible place. You can not associate with a woman unless she is your wife or family member. You can be arrested for this. There is also separate lines for single men, one for women and of course for families. Call to prayer – everything shuts down. Five times a day.

    Ever seen a Philippine nanny (slave) get her hand chopped off for stealing some money? I have, down at the “chopping block”. I left before the Paki guy that was going to be beheaded.

    Islamic, the radical kind (not all of them are radical, but enough) embrace violence and suicide because access to women is prohibited. What are all these young men to do when they can’t get women? Many of them lose their virginity to other men, and it is common to see men hold hands and be affectionate in public.

    All the while the rich Arabs, the men in power, horde women. This is the reality of polygamy. It wrecks society as easily as feminism. Young, unattached men become unruly, violent and criminal – just like men raise by single women.

    Some of the more “modern” Arab nations, like UAE and Bahrain have embraced many western ideals. They let them flourish. Some of them, that is. Better not have any drugs or porn. Movies can sow people getting mutilated all day, but the scenes suggesting sexuality are cut out. Even kissing.

    Look for the global financial meltdown to see a return of more strict Muslim philosophy in these “modern” states.

    You think western women suck? Try talking to an uneducated muslim woman sheltered from the world by her family and culture. They are fucking stupid beyond belief. The men view them as vessels for procreation and mostly have more serious strong friendships with men.

    I am against feminism. I know what a woman’s rightful place is. Trust me when I tell you that you do *not* want to live in an Islamic society. I can’t stand these fucking places.

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  168. on March 4, 2009 at 12:42 am Anonymous

    “I’m voting Mohammed. Although Jesus had that rock star long hair and baby blue eyes that could have got him some ass if he wanted.”

    Are you joking? Because the real Jesus did not look like the renaissance paintings, he was asiatic brown man.

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  169. on March 4, 2009 at 12:43 am epiclolz

    #1… he’s getting own3d by a dead dude…..

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  170. on March 4, 2009 at 12:44 am Chuck

    “Are you joking? Because the real Jesus did not look like the renaissance paintings, he was asiatic brown man.”

    Yes, actually, I was joking.

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  171. on March 4, 2009 at 12:50 am Google Searci

    “Are you joking? Because the real Jesus did not look like the renaissance paintings, he was asiatic brown man.”

    Jesus was brown and asiatic? You wish.

    http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery.htm

    Study harder…

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  172. on March 4, 2009 at 12:51 am GNPs are for Apes

    Peter actually wants a woman’s buttocks to be covered in fur as well. Eeeewwwww!

    Plus, since when is pubic hair a ‘pelt’? The hair is hard and wiry.

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  173. on March 4, 2009 at 12:58 am Lucifer

    Da Truth Hurts:

    I was in Afghanistan briefly, and I agree with you about the division of the sexes. Men and women there do not have relationships as you and I know them. Women are invisible, and even married men fraternize only with other men. Even the most misogynistic readers of this blog enjoy the company of women, and I could never grasp what was going on there….what’s the point of having multiple wives if they are nothing more than cattle? The first time a woman in a burqa spoke to me, on the street, begging, it was unsettling: it was like a Jawa talking, and I wanted to run away.

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  174. on March 4, 2009 at 1:09 am More Alpha Than Alpha

    This website is interesting, but many of the posters are not. I nominate “G Manifesto” as Beta of the Month. To commemorate my nomination, I have composed a rap in honor of this fraud.

    “The Ballad of G Manifesto”

    I brag about fly girls
    But I dig fly guys
    That’s right, the G is bi
    Don’t Hate, just try
    Now the G loves to box
    On the Wii in my socks
    You dig ‘Pac, I dig The Lox
    Time to swoop some fly cocks
    Now I’m swoopin’ in the coupe
    Blasting Salt N Pepa’s “Shoop”
    Eatin Fruit of the Loop
    See a cop, smell me poop
    In my Fruit of the Looms,
    In the crotch there’s lots of room
    Check my junk; use “Zoom”
    Lovin’ penis, not womb
    Smoking cigarettes and poles and
    Looking down on all you proles and
    Talking Gucci, wearing Kohl’s and
    As authentic as Al Jolson
    Not quite strong as Ashley Olsen
    Prefer Cosmos over Molsen
    When you’re reading me at Roissy,
    Teaching “Game” and posting noisy,
    And you think “This prick annoys me”
    Realize I live in Boise
    With my moms (no one employs me)
    Not a penny to my name
    But I got Internet fame
    On the Web I feel no shame
    So I talk about my “Game”
    Read one post; they’re all the same
    I’m inciting you to flame
    Put this question in your heads:
    How do I avoid the feds
    If I’m dealing drugs in ki’s
    Using traceable IPs?
    If I’m busy having sex
    Why am I always free to text?
    Think a minute and you’ll see
    I use anonymity
    To improve my view of me
    Can’t spell “gay” without the G

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  175. on March 4, 2009 at 1:29 am Gunslingergregi

    Give their guys an outlet for suicide sanctioned by church Check
    Meet out justice quickly Check
    Like I said good shit.

    They don’t make you stay on planet if you don’t want to just to make you suffer and call it compassion. They give plenty of opportunities to leave for those who don’t want that way of life. They really must believe in afterlife as they don’t mind giving people to their god to judge them and make them suffer if that is necessary rather than trying to make sure they get to suffer here on earth. Getting your head chopped off by big sword got to be one of easiest ways to go. Not talking about the butterknife shit but that wasn’t a state execution. Look at Sadam hung and looked quite painless. Take a look at electric chair after you spend years appealing when you finally die they make you suffer horibally in a chair or they make you go to jail for things for years that they should just execute you for. What is the point after you spend 10 years in prison for something what kind of job will you get or lets say accussed of molesting a kid or something wtf kind of life are you going to live especially if you didn’t do it. Why don’t we kill these people. Or if dealing drugs are so fing bad why not kill people for it instead of some bs life in proson. Everything is about making people live and eternally suffer here on earth.

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  176. on March 4, 2009 at 1:40 am Sal Paradise

    These men make me absolutely sick. What is this world coming to?

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  177. on March 4, 2009 at 2:53 am johnny five

    I read stories like this one and I want the whole fucking edifice to burn to the ground. At this late stage in the game, there is no other way to clean out the liars, SWPL losers, SPLC traitors, tankgrrl nerds, betas, fuglies, dregs, deluded fantasists, bores, mediocrities, backstabbers, weasels, sycophants, sophists, degenerates, dullards, eunuchs, trolls, wishful thinkers, excuse mongers, whackjobs, equalist tards, dumbfucks, obsequious curs, attention whores, suckups, PC toadies, fembots, lapdogs, shitlickers, pity whores, phonyfucks, hypocrites, parasites, stool pigeons, sanctimonious multicultists, diversity sluts, and weak-willed assmunching ankle grabbing bitchboy pukes.

    Bring the all-consuming flames.

    roissy!
    how could you omit “fatties”?
    how COULD you?

    —

    For a fee, I’m happy to be
    Your new wingman

    you don’t actually teach bootcamps, do you?

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  178. on March 4, 2009 at 3:10 am Sean

    Oh, damn; I usually am right on track with the crowd on these.

    I got the impression the first guy thought it all worked out and that he came out on top, which was less beta than continual abuse. I mean, to have the guy who your wife fucked die seems almost too serendipitous to be true, and I can see where he’d be blind to the larger issue after such a fortunate set of circumstances. The second guy seemed sadder to me; he knows his problem, knows the solution, and refuses to face it.

    This month’s BOTM didn’t seem as extreme as last months, probably why I had trouble deciphering. Or maybe I’m just losing my edge spotting these things.

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  179. on March 4, 2009 at 3:12 am Sean

    On second though, I would vote the other way; first entry is way more pitiful.

    Hindsight is 20/20, i guess.

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  180. on March 4, 2009 at 3:31 am Thursday

    Have to agree with Da Truth Hurts. There is healthy skepticism about women and then there is paranoia, and most Islamic societies, but particularly Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan are way into paranoia territory. As Steve Sailer once wrote, I like conservatives and want them to win, but I want them to be my kind of conservatives, not Wahabis. Religions should have a balance between the masculine and the feminine and Islam seems to have overdosed on the masculine. Not that that doesn’t have it’s appeal in the era of the Church Impotent.

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  181. on March 4, 2009 at 3:38 am goldoildrugz

    the way the weakness of the latter man is incrementally unveiled is hilarious tho

    so the first guy consoled his wife when dude died… it’s forseeable that most subservient husbands would react similarly when their wife’s paramour died

    on the other hand, it’s a whole lower level or pussiness when a man is literally being beaten by his drunken wife lol THAT’S HILARIOUS

    but who knows, maybe i’m just a sucker for physical comedy

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  182. on March 4, 2009 at 3:42 am goldoildrugz

    that’s pretty much the difference between conservatism (now known as libertarianism) and neoconservatism (now known as conservatism, alias the republican party), the latter being the road of fear and rabid fervour that leads to societies like that

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  183. on March 4, 2009 at 4:36 am Kerouac

    Ronald Reagan is with you!

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  184. on March 4, 2009 at 5:00 am goldoildrugz

    look at the gentle gasp she tries to hide

    first they didn’t even try to hide their arousal (read:

    then their rapturous guttural moans turned to subdued whimpers (read: link above)

    now they act like they don’t like it…

    while i’m sure it makes them feel fabolous to imagine themselves as being the products of enlightened culture, the most civilised women to ever exist… all the more fun to chase the inner whore

    p.s. if anybody is dumb enough to say something akin to “they are just movies” please do so

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  185. on March 4, 2009 at 5:30 am RF Interference

    “It will when the Constitution is suspended the next day.</i.”

    That would never happen with half-black liberal-Reagan Jesus at the helm.

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  186. on March 4, 2009 at 6:56 am johnny five

    z

    One method, GM-style, sounds hilarious if you really are not afraid of social reprecussions.

    gm style works, but you have to have the correct personality for it.

    if you’re a “deadpan” type of guy who always has just a hint of a smirk on your face, to the point where no one can quite tell whether you’re being serious at any given moment, then it will work like a charm.

    it is also a good strategy to follow (along with good old fashioned apocalypse openers) if you are among the number who feels that 4-10 hours is 3-9 hours too much.

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  187. on March 4, 2009 at 7:57 am PA

    All those commenters who make their apologia for Isalm are similar to some white suburban boys who listen to gangsta rap: searching for masculine guidance in all the wrong places.

    The solution in the West is a return to a patriarchal fundamentalist Christianity with no vestige of multiculti liberalism preserved.

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  188. on March 4, 2009 at 9:04 am Jerry

    Geez, all these beta posts are getting really old. Who cares?

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  189. on March 4, 2009 at 9:23 am No worries

    @Anon7

    http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/06/where-pretty-li.html

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/im-evil/

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  190. on March 4, 2009 at 9:35 am Seeking Alpha

    TJF:

    I’m not American, so that would be difficult for me to do.

    So what are you?

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  191. on March 4, 2009 at 9:50 am dougjnn

    goldoildrugz–

    look at the gentle gasp she tries to hide

    first they didn’t even try to hide their arousal (read:

    Bad link. Get back

    The URL contained a malformed video ID.

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  192. on March 4, 2009 at 9:50 am tokyojesusfist

    Tood

    Copout. There are many countries in the coalition in Afghanistan, including South Korea and Japan. All major developed countries are present in the coalition, and I am sure your country is represented there.

    If you’re American I guess you can just go to a recruiter and say “I wanna fight in Afghanistan,” but it doesn’t work that way everywhere. And anyway, this is completely meaningless since I never said I’m going to do anything. I don’t know what you’re babbling about.

    Why is killing terrorists in Afghanistan pointless, if, according to you, Islam is so horrible?

    Because there will always be more terrorists, and because terrorists aren’t the real problem.

    Gunslingergregi

    I would not mind having my sons or daughters grow up under muslim indoctrination.

    I hope you die before you get a chance to reproduce.

    ae

    TokyoJesusFist is so beta – he’s worried about women being raped, beaten, etc. What a male feminist.

    Nope, I’m just a real man, instead of a pussy like you.

    David Alexander

    Isn’t this from the guy who hurls “Stormfront” as an insult?

    Islam isn’t a race.

    Lupo

    TJF dude, I’m not a big fan of Islam, but I’m with Tood.
    I recently helped get a job for a Muslim friend of mine, and got to have dinner with his wife (a scientist) and kid.

    So your opinion on Islam is based on three people. Three whole people out of ~1 billion. I think it’s safe to say that my sample size is a bit larger than yours.

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  193. on March 4, 2009 at 10:03 am Anonymous

    I know what a woman’s rightful place is.

    Correction: you know what you want it to be. Fortunately, that’s not your decision to make.

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  194. on March 4, 2009 at 11:15 am Lyndon

    Tood talks too much. And really, does anyone in their right mind root for religion? Shit.

    I’m married, and I don’t think it’s a lost cause. I don’t practice any formal game, but I also don’t take shit from anyone. I don’t have kids, so I believe that keeps the balance in my favor anyway.

    For the record, though, I’m not a fan of guys who think being able to cook or iron their clothes is beta. Being a man means you don’t have to rely on anyone for anything. It’s easy to pick on the wusses like the BOTM candidates, but I see far too many men out there who get married and fall into letting the woman run shit in exchange for clean clothes and a hot meal. Face it, if you can’t do things for yourself, you’re surrendering control. Don’t think people (men and women) won’t use that against you. Plenty of supposed alphas just get married to a mommy replacement.

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  195. on March 4, 2009 at 11:30 am Benedict Smith

    “he was a long-distance truck driver”….and that’s the husband’s payment for working his ass off to support her and the kids at a job he probably f’ing hated…..like a true beta.

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  196. on March 4, 2009 at 11:36 am Mead

    <<<>>

    I’ll take the old gods any day. The Celtic gods or the Norse. Seriously.

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  197. on March 4, 2009 at 11:46 am Ode to the married man

    @Lyndon :

    I don’t have kids, so I believe that keeps the balance in my favor anyway.

    This is a point worth elaborating upon. For most married men, it is the arrival of children, not the marriage itself, that shifts the power to wives/mothers. The needs of the baby trump the needs of the parents. The caretaker of the baby (more often the mother) uses the priority of the baby to advance her views of the priorities of the marriage. The father is wise to pushback, and not give in to this. Do not succumb to “baby first.” How does this playout? In terms of time-management, the babies immediate short-term needs will always trump the couples. However, in long-term (monthly or weekly) planning, the couples’ time together must be prioritized higher than the babies’. Most moms will subconsciously ask themselves whom is more important: husband or baby. They will prioritize baby first. It is counterintuitive, but the child will flourish better when the marriage is the priority. Access to babysitter is the key. A father who finds and hires the babysitter will hugely help to keep the marriage on top. A new-baby couple might slip to put “baby first”, for the first year, but beyond that, the marriage must return to top priority. I wish I had understood this many years ago.

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  198. on March 4, 2009 at 12:00 pm Wounded Animal

    Ode,

    There has been a semantic shift to accomodate the cultural one. Married women who stayed at home used to be called housewives. They are now “stay-at-home-moms.”

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  199. on March 4, 2009 at 12:04 pm H. Filth

    —Access to babysitter is the key. A father who finds and hires the babysitter will hugely help to keep the marriage on top—-

    Makes sure she’s hot!

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  200. on March 4, 2009 at 12:05 pm Ode to the married man

    @wounded,
    I concur with the change in terminology, but are you implying some significance to this?

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  201. on March 4, 2009 at 12:06 pm Ode to the married man

    H. filth,
    You reveal your immaturity. You are not fit for this discussion.

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  202. on March 4, 2009 at 12:09 pm Ode to the married man

    @wounded,
    OKay, now I get your point.
    At one level, I think it’s respectful to honor anyone’s self-description.

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  203. on March 4, 2009 at 12:16 pm PA

    For most married men, it is the arrival of children, not the marriage itself, that shifts the power to wives/mothers. The needs of the baby trump the needs of the parents.

    Ode: you brought up some excellent points. Any expecting father, including yours truly, needs to anticipate this potential shift.

    My wife is cool but her girlfriend who just had a baby turned into this horrid queen-bee around whom and her newborn baby the husband scurries like a worker drone. It’s gotta be rough on this guy. The moment their baby was born, his needs ceased to exist.

    In fact, this woman tries to preach this attitude to other women. Recently she said to me, with some degree of smug authority: “hey PA, as soon as the boy comes, your visits to the gym will end.”

    I needed to say nothing in response. My lady said it for me, with all due charm and diplomacy: “actually, I support my man going out and working out… his health and well-being are very important too.”

    It is counterintuitive, but the child will flourish better when the marriage is the priority.

    That’s very true. Any expectant father needs to say this to his wife before the baby is born: “remember — it’s always you and I first. The kids will grow up and go on on their own, but we’re still gonna be together.”

    This will also help you keep a united front in childraising and through their teenage years.

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  204. on March 4, 2009 at 12:24 pm Ode to the married man

    @PA,
    You understand the concepts, now think about the particulars,
    ie,
    -when will your wife go to workout?
    -where_ exactly_ will you find the first, second , and third string backup babysitters?

    My point is that concepts are good, but in the end, the get-it-done-details will determine where the power shifts.

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  205. on March 4, 2009 at 12:25 pm dougjnn

    Ode to the married man–

    I’m not against committed live together relationships. I have one now.

    What I’m against in the current legal and cultural environment is marriage. I fail to see how there’s ANYTHING positive about being married compared to living together for men in this hyper feminist environment — esp. without kids.

    But I agree with you that it’s kids that are the biggest biggie. I think getting a man to help her support kids is an ENORMOUS commitment from a man. It’s simply a fact that most men don’t want kids anywhere near as much as women do, and many not really at all. (Obviously there are some women who don’t want them either, but I’m talking in the main.) Marriage was all about a woman being socially bound to give him a whole lot in return, whether she happened to feel like it or not.

    Now we’ve retained and even increased the legally and culturally enforced financial and other obligations of men if they get married — to the point where the wife of a high earning man can carry on flagrant affairs and still walk off with a huge property settlement, half plus plus, AND alimony miss named child support so that it’s not tax deductible to the higher earner, or taxable to the ex wife.

    Why isn’t getting married an inherently beta act in these hyper feminist United States?

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  206. on March 4, 2009 at 12:32 pm Momus

    Chuck.

    Most alpha religious figure? It certainly wasn’t Jesus (or Joseph) of Nazareth.
    The hypothetical Jesus’ birth is one of the great examples of cuckoldry.
    Thor or Richard Dawkins would be my selections.

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  207. on March 4, 2009 at 12:33 pm dougjnn

    PA–

    My wife is cool but her girlfriend who just had a baby turned into this horrid queen-bee around whom and her newborn baby the husband scurries like a worker drone. It’s gotta be rough on this guy. The moment their baby was born, his needs ceased to exist.

    In fact, this woman tries to preach this attitude to other women. Recently she said to me, with some degree of smug authority: “hey PA, as soon as the boy comes, your visits to the gym will end.”

    It’s great that your wife set that straight for you, but ….

    I would work hard to bust up or at a minimum deeply cloud that friendship. I’m serious. As in letting your gf know you think she’s a terrible influence and that you won’t want to be hearing about that gf’s “wisdom” on much of anything. Girlfriends have a big influence over time — particularly when some life changing event, like raising an infant, forces your wife to look around for models and support for those going through it too.

    Why not work on shaming both this girlfriend and her beta worker bee husband for their behavior?

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  208. on March 4, 2009 at 12:34 pm Ode to the married man

    @dougjnn,
    ………….because the hotttest men on the planet are those who can do it all. And some can. Ex. the way coolest man I’ve seen in a bit was the young Dad at Target yesterday who was adeptly shepherding three children, with a smile and confidence. Clearly, this man was loving life.

    Some men have confidence to do it all. They can maintain a marriage, nurture children, enjoy themselves, and grow in their careers.

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  209. on March 4, 2009 at 12:40 pm Ode to the married man

    @dougjnn,
    about the money,
    How, exactly, would you address the spouse who sacrificed work to part-time or even dropped out of work to take care of children at home? He or she has sacrificed
    -career advancement momentum
    -networking momentum
    -retirement benefit momentum
    -continuing education momentum?

    How would you address these sacrifices made for the family welfare, in the event of a divorce?

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  210. on March 4, 2009 at 12:44 pm lurker

    Wow, TokyoJesus, asserting that all Muslim creations were a result of Christian/Jewish converts. Without facts. Sorry, buddy boy, your wacky, factless, counterfactual history fails.

    Those, like you, who deny reality are doomed to be victims of it.

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  211. on March 4, 2009 at 12:46 pm Ode to the married man

    @dougjnn,

    Why isn’t getting married an inherently beta act in these hyper feminist United States?

    ……..because it is based in fear of failure, not confidence.

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  212. on March 4, 2009 at 12:48 pm tro

    The G Manifesto rip = hilarious. Some of you self-serious types should give it a couple reads.

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  213. on March 4, 2009 at 12:59 pm lurker

    By Tokyo’s logic, the ancient Greek, roman, Egyptian, Phoenician, Aztec, Mongol, Chinese, Indian, and Persian Empires—all pre-dating Christianity and barely or never touching Jewish tradition–either never existed or else sponged off of the nonexistent/futuristic/invisible Judeo-Christian tradition.

    Clown.

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  214. on March 4, 2009 at 1:04 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    Wow, TokyoJesus, asserting that all Muslim creations were a result of Christian/Jewish converts. Without facts. Sorry, buddy boy, your wacky, factless, counterfactual history fails.

    I don’t think I need facts to back up something I’ve never said.

    lurker

    By Tokyo’s logic, the ancient Greek, roman, Egyptian, Phoenician, Aztec, Mongol, Chinese, Indian, and Persian Empires-all pre-dating Christianity and barely or never touching Jewish tradition-either never existed or else sponged off of the nonexistent/futuristic/invisible Judeo-Christian tradition.

    I’ve never said this either.

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  215. on March 4, 2009 at 1:27 pm Chuck

    Momus:

    ha. Yeah I’d never really thought about the cuckoldry of ol’ Joseph. Shit, he should be more revered than Mary. Are there any churches centered on him? No.

    Anyway, I’m more curious about the head guys of each of the “major” religions.

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  216. on March 4, 2009 at 1:53 pm Jack

    Bhetti – in your analysis of polygamy you forgot the men left without a woman. What do you think these men will do? Will they sit and accept it, or will they (violently) rebel? That really is a key question, as whiskey will agree with. And this has to do with the “soft polygamy” nowadays as well. You thought of polygamy purely from your own selfish perspective.

    The problem with men in America is that there has been a battle of the sexes, with only women fighting it, for about 40 years. Feminist lawyers by the thousands graduate from law school every year, ready to reduce men’s relevance in America as much as possible. And to alarge extent, they have succeeded. I go to law school with some of these scummy cunts. The backlash to feminism is growing, hopefully, but where are the politicians ready to stand up for the values that made this country great? Are there ANY? Because there are tons on the other side. Hillary, Obama, Boxer, Biden, Feinstein, Gillibrand, McCaskill, Hagan, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

    Women who act selfishly and immorally need to be shamed with strong negative reinforcement. ESPECIALLY the hot women. This has to happen from the ground up, because the power structure coddles women from cradle to grave.

    Men who don’t keep bitches in check need to be smacked upside the head, preferably by their friends who care.

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  217. on March 4, 2009 at 2:13 pm Cannon's Canon

    The most alpha religious-type figure is L Ron Hubbard, who has sex with every new bride.

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  218. on March 4, 2009 at 2:17 pm Sara I

    Grim

    3rd choice would be? Only three now? I guess the 3rd choice if there were only one other is to be yourself. This is really, really tricky, because your “self” is not an insecure asshole no matter how you look at it if you have eyes to see. It’s not as easy as roissy likes to make, out. Simply do steps one two and three and you will BE a BMOC! If it were that easy roissy would not even be here writing this blog. He’d have better things to do.

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  219. on March 4, 2009 at 2:20 pm dougjnn

    Ode to the married man–

    Ok you’re talking about divorce in a married with children situation.

    How, exactly, would you address the spouse who sacrificed work to part-time or even dropped out of work to take care of children at home? He or she has sacrificed
    -career advancement momentum
    -networking momentum
    -retirement benefit momentum
    -continuing education momentum?

    How would you address these sacrifices made for the family welfare, in the event of a divorce?

    First of all, for most spouses who decide to drop from full time work to part time, or a less full time kind of job (e.g. lawyer or mba working for a foundation), or stay at home completely, they aren’t “sacrificing” but doing what they want to do. It’s just a feminist myth that most women want to work balls to the wall hour jobs for long. The life of a part time mom can be and I think usually is much more fullfilling for most women.

    But what I’d basically say is that if she doesn’t divorce me, or make it essentially impossible to not divorce her, she will have no money worries. I’ll take care of her.

    In the very unlikely event I did divorce her for a younger model, as oppossed to possibly having a fling while continuing to love her both emotionally and physically, I would give her a good settlement. Yeah then, if she really wasn’t mostly or entirely to blame for non esoteric reasons (and stopping having good, best efforts sex with me or blowing up to obesity and staying there would put the blame on her), I would probably would give her half of the so called marital property (have of what I’d saved or such investments as the house(s) are worth) — at least up to a certain point. Not if that’s millions. She doesn’t earn millions by being a stay at home wife. Totally unfair and not for me.

    Otherwise if she decided to divorce me, or has a deep love affair that she refuses to stop or even keep discrete and consequently falls out of romantic and sexual love with me and stops that with me, then I’d give her nothing or almost nothing out of what I’d saved. A little start up money if necessary.

    If the kids were real young, say 1 and 3, I might basically say, you’re on your own there too. Have your lover marry you and support them or go find one who will. I’ll start my family over with a woman I can build a life with, thanks.

    If they were older then I would want to help support them and spend time with me. I’d provide my support to the kids directly, paying a bunch of their bills, etc. I wouldn’t pay her to feed them and so on. That’s up to her. Or she can leave them with me and my new woman.

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  220. on March 4, 2009 at 2:28 pm lurker

    tokyojesus is some sort of liar, isn’t he?

    “Islam is inherently incapable of producing successful societies.”

    and then: “In spite of Islam, not because of it. If Mohammed & co hadn’t been able to conquer or appropriate the cultures and achievements of others (with assistance from Christians and Jews), Islam would have never amounted to anything.

    and then the denial:

    “I don’t think I need facts to back up something I’ve never said.”

    Tokyo must be a liberal. Only liberals could believe that they can get away with such blatant lying. See Obama.

    Clown.

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  221. on March 4, 2009 at 2:34 pm tokyojesusfist

    I don’t follow. What is it that I’m supposedly denying?

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  222. on March 4, 2009 at 2:35 pm Ode to the married man

    @dougjnn,
    from age 25-85 a woman will live for 60 years. I agree that many many women would idealize a part-time employment for the 15 years that her children need her at home. She sacrifices all that I’ve described above at a critical time in her work-life. What is the incentive for a woman to make this sacrifice if she will be penalized for it for 45 more years?

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  223. on March 4, 2009 at 2:38 pm lurker

    Oh god *shakes head.* Either Tokyo is deliberately being obstuse—aka Sara I—or else is as stupid as he first appears.

    I vote choice # 2, considering his nonsensical posts. Anyone else?

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  224. on March 4, 2009 at 2:41 pm tokyojesusfist

    I really don’t know what you’re talking about, so whatever.

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  225. on March 4, 2009 at 2:42 pm lurker

    Yep, complete moron, aka Obama voter.

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  226. on March 4, 2009 at 2:47 pm tokyojesusfist

    I’m not a moron just because you can’t explain yourself properly, and it’s difficult for me to vote in US elections when I don’t have US citizenship.

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  227. on March 4, 2009 at 2:48 pm tokyojesusfist

    Oh yeah, and since when have liberals been opposed to Islam?

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  228. on March 4, 2009 at 2:59 pm Darren

    Islam is NOT the answer, dudes. Get that idea out of your head.

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  229. on March 4, 2009 at 3:06 pm Rum

    Married Guy
    On which planet do you live that women hunger and thirst for full time careers? Actually, for 95% of people “job” is a much better term for the unpleasant drudgery they must do in order to get money.
    Women get virtually no mating value enhancement from full time careers apart from getting to hang out with high earning men. They simply are not motivated to go full-out, with rare exceptions.

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  230. on March 4, 2009 at 3:26 pm dougjnn

    What is the incentive for a woman to make this sacrifice if she will be penalized for it for 45 more years?

    She’ll have less money if SHE decides to divorce of do things which force it, but she’ll still probably have overall greater life satisfaction.

    Then again she could be a good wife and stay married to me and not have any fiancial sacrifices.

    She just shouldn’t have all the options and all the choices, almost, as she has now with the feminist American “marriage is a financial partnership” with one partner legally making all the decisions.

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  231. on March 4, 2009 at 3:52 pm lurker

    Ah, tokyo, more inanity from you:

    “I’m not a moron just because you can’t explain yourself properly”

    claiming Islam can’t on its own create a civilization and would have failed without Christianity/Judaism, and offer *no proof of this*, and then try to claim you didn’t say that, is, in a word, hilarious.

    Put on your rubber nose, clown.

    “Oh yeah, and since when have liberals been opposed to Islam?”

    —since it “oppressed” women, eejit.

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  232. on March 4, 2009 at 4:36 pm dumdiddly

    wow, tokyo got owned. massive ownage by lurker. kid better got back to whatever cesspool he crawled out of–prolly somehwere in tokyo. true.

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  233. on March 4, 2009 at 4:42 pm Bhetti B

    Fatwa: A) Pretty much all Arab states do not permit entry to Israeli citizens or anyone who has visited Israel, to my knowledge. I think they don’t actually recognise the country or some such. I’m not sure if this treatment applies to those with Judaism stated as their religion on their passports. I wouldn’t advise Jewish travel to an Arab state due to rife anti-Semitism; it isn’t stated in any governmental media but seems to be widespread in the community. Mainly due to anti-Israeli propaganda which confuses Zionists with all Jews.

    Ritter: To make myself clear, I do mean for me personally. Widespread polygamy isn’t something that I think should be introduced, especially into a society that isn’t open to it. Usually, females outnumber the males in any given population and not a lot of men can handle more than one woman. Only the rich and/or powerful men end up doing it, in practice. This is only what I have observed with it in action.

    Da_Truth_Hurts: I definitely wouldn’t recommend Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq to anyone! I don’t know about the rest. UAE was ok for me probably due to just conforming to the expected rules and I was educated; since the local populace is well financed, they seem to send the girls for education as well. It’s amazing how little you know even while living there. I personally like the balance the Emirates struck, but it’s definitely not for everyone and I only experienced it from a privately-schooled child point of view, and my mother loves it here in the UK. I still sometimes look away when I see people kissing on screen and I remember a 10 year old here scolding me when she saw me do that once… ! Arab young girls I know from here who’re excessively Westernised seem already too obsessed with magazines, fashion and boys at their age.I shudder to think what fuel they may provide for roissy-types 10 to 20 years from now about Arab women.

    Jack: I really wouldn’t call my ideas on polygamy an analysis. It’s true that I thought of it in a ‘selfish’ manner: as in, only how it applies to me and how it would benefit me, rather than society as a whole. I do think that the men who aren’t married would probably be the guys who didn’t get any women to begin with anyway. Anyone who acts selfishly and immorally should be appropriately punished and stopped, regardless of their gender.

    Darren: The only answer is learning from any culture or religion as you observe it: what is it doing right, what is it doing wrong? And forming your own hopefully improved hybrid.

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  234. on March 4, 2009 at 4:48 pm Ode to the married man

    @rum,

    On which planet do you live that women hunger and thirst for full time careers?

    women hunger and thirst for financial security, just like you.
    The best odds to achiever that is to assure it for themselves.

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  235. on March 4, 2009 at 5:31 pm Fabian

    NEVER marry unless :
    1) You can get a solid pre-nup, properly done with lawyers on both sides.

    I haven’t read through all the comments, so someone may have said what I’m about to say, but it’s worth repeating:

    Pre-nups are for protecting assets you have BEFORE you get married. Pre-nups are NOT marriage contracts. Marriage contracts, wherein a couple would decide things about finances, children, etc prospectively into the future, are illegal in all 50 states. I’ll say that again: marriage contracts are not legally binding in any state right now. Divorce courts always invalidate them in the rare instance when two people have actually tried to make one.

    This is yet another reason not to get married.

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  236. on March 4, 2009 at 5:37 pm Fabian

    I should clarify what I just said above: Everyone who gets married is accepting the terms of a “contract”, but it’s decided by the laws of the state you’re in, and the enforcement of that contract is decided in divorce court. What’s illegal is trying to design your own marriage contract on paper beforehand, without regard to the statutory and common laws of the state you’re in. Your personal marriage contract will always be overruled by the statutes and common law practices in place at the time of your divorce.

    I hope that clarifies things.

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  237. on March 4, 2009 at 5:37 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    claiming Islam can’t on its own create a civilization and would have failed without Christianity/Judaism

    No, I said that Christians and Jews greatly contributed to the “success” of Islam. And if Muslims had not been able to take advantage of the achievements of others, they would have never accomplished anything. It is hardly a coincidence that Islam never recovered after its brief golden age. Islam does not have the necessary qualities for progression and growth because it is only interested in religious fanaticism, violence and tyranny.

    and offer *no proof of this*, and then try to claim you didn’t say that, is, in a word, hilarious.

    That’s because I never said that Islam would have failed without Christians and Jews. You’re making a lot of confusing claims.

    -since it “oppressed” women, eejit.

    You clearly have never talked to any liberals. They defend Islam as if they were members of Al-Qaeda.

    dumdiddy

    wow, tokyo got owned. massive ownage by lurker. kid better got back to whatever cesspool he crawled out of-prolly somehwere in tokyo. true.

    As you can see above, no “ownage” took place, and if you weren’t such an impatient and immature kid, you might have bothered to wait for my response before declaring victory.

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  238. on March 4, 2009 at 6:20 pm anon

    Tood, you just sound like a beta everytime i read your shit

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  239. on March 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm dougjnn

    Fabian —

    Pre-nups are for protecting assets you have BEFORE you get married. Pre-nups are NOT marriage contracts. Marriage contracts, wherein a couple would decide things about finances, children, etc prospectively into the future, are illegal in all 50 states. I’ll say that again: marriage contracts are not legally binding in any state right now. Divorce courts always invalidate them in the rare instance when two people have actually tried to make one.

    This is yet another reason not to get married.

    Wrong.

    But you’re right if you’re talking about the UK. Horrifically right. (Though there’s a movement to change the law there, and the rate of marriage there is much less than here, perhaps partly as a result.) That’s a major part of why they are in some ways even worse than the US in feminist oppression of men in all things domestic or private life. Another is that they have this long cultural history of male submissiveness / gayness. Both the full up gay kind and the self sacrificing for his woman hetero beta thinks he’s alpha upper classy kind. It was associated with being aristo and “sophisticated”. Moving on …

    You’re also mostly right re: child support post divorce. It may be possible in many states to cap child support, though at pretty high levels. Keep meaning to fully research this. It isn’t easy to do it on the web.

    However you most definitely CAN effectively prohibt alimony, your paying her attorney’s fees other than as deducted from her property settlement, same with support payments during the pendency of divorce, and pretty much completely eliminate, or set wherever, any property settlement out of so called (feminist designated) “marital property”. (Excluded from marital property are what you each brought into the marriage or received during it from inheritances or gifts.)

    As well you may be able in a pre-nup to have some effect on true joint custody, though the court there will definitely be making the final decision.

    Finally, a pre-nup is an impossible to ignore or deny reminder for your divorcing wife of what she agreed to when you married. More ethical women will be somewhat influenced by that. Though I agree with Roissy that women are on average much less fair/ethical than men, in sharp contrast to the feminist media propaganda.

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  240. on March 4, 2009 at 8:00 pm xsplat

    I would work hard to bust up or at a minimum deeply cloud that friendship. I’m serious. As in letting your gf know you think she’s a terrible influence

    Absolutely. I’ve many times forbid certain friendships. For instance, none of my girlfriends is allowed to hang out with prostitutes.

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  241. on March 4, 2009 at 8:00 pm Fabian

    dougjnn-

    I guess it’s good to hear that I was partially misinformed. I must have gotten my information from something written in the uk then.

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  242. on March 4, 2009 at 8:18 pm xsplat

    PA

    The solution in the West is a return to a patriarchal fundamentalist Christianity with no vestige of multiculti liberalism preserved.

    PA, most of what you write is fun and on the spot, But this is a tad insane.

    There is no solution. Sea levels are going to rise 25 meters. War robots will be marching in your town square. Artificial intelligence is around the bend. Nanobots.

    You are looking to history, and wondering about a social solution. Our problems are not social – they are technological and ecological.

    Bird flu and ebola.

    Social problems are nothing.

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  243. on March 4, 2009 at 8:20 pm TheTruth

    People need to salute More Alpha Than Alpha’s post regarding G Man. That took some creativity. Not to mention that it’s likely the truth.

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  244. on March 4, 2009 at 8:30 pm xsplat

    Trust me when I tell you that you do *not* want to live in an Islamic society

    My girlfriend is Muslim and I very often mock her for it. I hate Muslims.

    When her family comes over I ask her to make me a pork sandwich. Messes her hair up.

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  245. on March 4, 2009 at 8:36 pm David Alexander

    The solution in the West is a return to a patriarchal fundamentalist Christianity with no vestige of multiculti liberalism preserved.

    I will defend whiteness against you AND the Muslims.

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  246. on March 4, 2009 at 8:59 pm dougjnn

    xsplat —

    There is no solution. Sea levels are going to rise 25 meters.

    Horseshiite. If not or no longer a victim of feminist media and ed establishment propaganda, you are evidently nonetheless victim to another flavor of leftist propaganda. Which you have chosen to take apocalyptic with your 25 meters. Your green and eco end of days.

    Learn to think skeptically, and without the need for deterministic religion, called in your case, rad enviromentalism.

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  247. on March 4, 2009 at 9:19 pm Tood

    “Tood, you just sound like a beta everytime i read your shit”

    You don’t even have the balls to go by a name other than ‘anon’ and then project your betaness onto ME?

    Grow a pair and quit being jealous of me, you faggot.

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  248. on March 4, 2009 at 9:26 pm Tood

    “Pre-nups are NOT marriage contracts. Marriage contracts, wherein a couple would decide things about finances, children, etc prospectively into the future, are illegal in all 50 states.”

    Fabian,

    No, that is not correct. When Donald Trump divorced Marla Maples, his pre-nup did not get overturned, and she left with only a tiny amount ($1 million), which is nowhere near what he earned during their marriage.

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  249. on March 4, 2009 at 9:53 pm expat

    Whatever Dougjin.

    If you are not harboring your own version apocolyptic fears, you are not paying attention.

    Liberal media, blah blah blah.

    Shit be going down more important than feminism.

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  250. on March 4, 2009 at 10:04 pm Tood

    Why is it that I have been hearing for 25 years, that the sea level will rise in 25 years?

    And if it does, so what? Just don’t buy a house in a sea-level city. Problem solved. Cold areas will be warmer, and people will happily move there.

    It won’t rise in just 1 day. It would rise by a couple of inches a year, allowing for orderly migration out of those cities. You won’t be drowned in a wall of water in the middle of the night someday.

    I don’t see the prices of beachfront property in FL or CA or Southern France dropping to reflect an expectation of rising sea levels, so clearly the market does not expect this to happen soon.

    Check out the exact elevation of the city where you live. If it is more than 20 feet above sea level, you have nothing to worry about even if ocean levels rise (which itself is far from certain).

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  251. on March 4, 2009 at 11:29 pm More Alpha Than Alpha

    TheTruth

    People need to salute More Alpha Than Alpha’s post regarding G Man. That took some creativity. Not to mention that it’s likely the truth.

    Thanks. Honest to God, it took me about 25 minutes total to finish the rap. Some of the rhymes were pedestrian, but I do think that the verses referencing Al Jolson are well above average.
    The only problem is that the humor of my rap is so specific; you have to be a regular reader of Roissy, enough to know the posting habits of The G, for it to be truly funny. Maybe he is everything he claims to be, but I doubt it; regardless, he is a choice target for ridicule.
    As I mentioned, this blog is interesting, but a lot of the posters are boringly repetitive (Peter with his fetish, the race obsessives, etc.). I think my post was unfortunately placed in between a running argument, and a lot of people probably assumed I was simply quoting some rap song. If Roissy indeed reads every comment, then my poem should merit some mention in the list of best March posts.
    Feel free to re-post the rap if you find a comment from Mr. Manifesto to be particularly obnoxious.

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  252. on March 4, 2009 at 11:44 pm Anonymous

    Any expectant father needs to say this to his wife before the baby is born: “remember — it’s always you and I first. The kids will grow up and go on on their own, but we’re still gonna be together.”

    My father made it a point to state the hierarchy of my family to my brother & me when we were children. He made it very clear that he & my mother had chosen each other, and that we were a result of their union, not the reason for it. It was *their* house, not *our* house, and everything we had, we had thanks to them, and don’t you forget it.

    I imagine that might sound scandalous in this baby-worshipping day and age, but we never thought twice about it. It made perfect sense. Adult > children, end of story.

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  253. on March 4, 2009 at 11:58 pm Chuck

    I’ll stand in for G who is absent of late:

    More Alpha than Alpha’s the new guy here
    Don’t know much about him, we’ll probably find he’s a queer

    His handle is a farce
    His penis kinda sparce

    He lurks here all day long
    Comes up for his little song

    He’s part of the troll village
    Hope Kthulah doesn’t pillage
    Beware DA’s keyboard spillage
    It’s almost as sticky
    As your rap is prickly

    But, you cut G down to size
    To win Roissy’s prize
    But, little do you know
    It’s Roissy’s cock that’s the show

    You seek to find the glory
    Hole, that is
    So open wide, now, don’t worry
    Here comes his jizz

    So in your mouth queer
    Never have no fear

    Post a little more
    Make sure it doesn’t bore
    Now go ‘head suck my cock
    You New Kid on the Block

    I can rap too
    Find these words on cue
    It’s not really hard to do

    Alright now I’m through.

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  254. on March 5, 2009 at 12:29 am White Western Masculinist

    PA: “The solution in the West is a return to a patriarchal fundamentalist Christianity with no vestige of multiculti liberalism preserved.”

    The part about discarding the multicult of liberalism is fully correct, and I agree that we certainly need a return to a more patriarchal mode of existence in The West, but a return to fundamentalist Christianity isn’t the answer because Christianity is neither Western nor White…it is Near Eastern in origin, meaning it is Jewish/Asiatic and thus not a viable part of the true Western tradition.

    Many parts of Europe have been largely secular for well-nigh 150 years, or even before; some parts of Europe weren’t even Christianized until around 800 years ago, and they got along just fine before that. Also, America hasn’t been strongly Christian until relatively recently, and only then amongst certain groups; countries like Australia and New Zealand also never adopted any fundamentalist Christian ways, and they’ve done just fine.

    A return to pre-Christian ways, whilst retaining some of the less weak, feminized, and Jewish-Asiatic portions of the Christian tradition, is the way forward for The West.

    I discuss this in some more detail in another post above under the same name.

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  255. on March 5, 2009 at 1:00 am Vladimir

    xsplat:

    PA, most of what you write is fun and on the spot, But this is a tad insane.

    There is no solution. Sea levels are going to rise 25 meters. War robots will be marching in your town square. Artificial intelligence is around the bend. Nanobots.

    You are looking to history, and wondering about a social solution. Our problems are not social – they are technological and ecological.

    No, they’re not. To see how naive your claims are, just look at a random SF story or movie made 40-50 years ago. There’s a good chance that its plot takes place somewhere in the early 21st century, or that it at least references the supposed then-future events from that period. And guess what? Chances are it doesn’t look like anything like our 2009 world, exactly because the authors assumed that future history would be driven by technological and ecological issues, not by the unchanging human nature.

    Their mistake was not only that they overestimated the rate of technological change and the magnitude of the ecological issues, but also that they were too naive to realize that no matter what happens — barring a radical genetic re-engineering of the human species — the human nature remains the same. You’re just repeating the same mistakes, and your statements will look equally silly in retrospect in 2060 as the 1950s SF novels taking place in 1990s and 2000s look nowadays.

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  256. on March 5, 2009 at 1:13 am Vladimir

    PA:

    All those commenters who make their apologia for Isalm are similar to some white suburban boys who listen to gangsta rap: searching for masculine guidance in all the wrong places.

    That’s the best one-liner I’ve read in a while.

    The solution in the West is a return to a patriarchal fundamentalist Christianity with no vestige of multiculti liberalism preserved.

    Unfortunately, except for the remaining pockets of fundamentalist Protestantism in the U.S., Christianity is dead. Outside of these pockets, someone who *really* believes in the teachings of Christianity — whether Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox — has less chance of being taken seriously than a UFO cultist sporting a tinfoil hat.

    Outside of the fundamentalist Anglo-Protestantism, you can still find communities where many people go to church and consider it an important part of their social life. However, these churches — sadly including most of the Catholic church — are nowadays mostly just social clubs where multiculti liberalism is the de facto accepted and promoted ideology.

    If a patriarchal order of some sort ever gets re-established in the West (which seems increasingly unlikely), its will have to rest on something other than Christianity.

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  257. on March 5, 2009 at 1:32 am David Alexander

    That’s the best one-liner I’ve read in a while.

    Weird Anecdote Zone: So how did David Alexander escape gangsta rap despite being a wussy, outer city kid in a mostly black neighbourhood? Why didn’t I look at these guys for masculine guidance?

    Unfortunately, except for the remaining pockets of fundamentalist Protestantism in the U.S., Christianity is dead.

    Somehow, I like the status quo, and the patriarchy seems so unappealing. Hell, I’m a loser under the status quo, and I still think that I’m better off now.

    are nowadays mostly just social clubs where multiculti liberalism is the de facto accepted and promoted ideology

    What church is dumb enough to scare off potential new converts or existing members by saying immigration is wrong? If Catholicism starts painting immigrants as evil or black people as inferior, I have no other option but to leave and find a Episcopalian church.

    Remember, multiculti types have more love for me than the race realists do.

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  258. on March 5, 2009 at 2:16 am Vladimir

    David Alexander:

    Somehow, I like the status quo, and the patriarchy seems so unappealing. Hell, I’m a loser under the status quo, and I still think that I’m better off now.

    Trouble is, it’s questionable whether the status quo will be stable in the long run. As for your individual case, see how your present attitude works out for you in 30-40 years.

    The ugly truth is that for most people, patriarchal institutions are the only thing that can give the human life some semblance of meaning and dignity when one is no longer young. (Here I have in mind the traditional Western patriarchal institutions where women, especially older women, also commanded significant authority and respect, not the silly and ignorant way feminists misuse this term.)

    Just like whoring around, your nerdy pastimes can make life fun while you’re young, but what after that? Yes, some people find ways to continue with hedonism for a surprisingly long time or manage to climb to positions of power that keep life exciting until the end. But this is only a small minority. For the vast majority of people, unless a patriarchal system awards them positions of honor, authority, and respect, the few years of youthful fun are followed by nothing but a pointless, joyless, and increasingly painful long march to the grave.

    Ask yourself: where do you see any source of joy in your life when you’ll be 50 or 60 years old? Remember that at 25, it’s only 15 years to 40, but 55 years to 80.

    What church is dumb enough to scare off potential new converts or existing members by saying immigration is wrong? If Catholicism starts painting immigrants as evil or black people as inferior, I have no other option but to leave and find a Episcopalian church.

    Remember, multiculti types have more love for me than the race realists do.

    If you’ve read any comments I’ve written in the past, you know that I’m neither of those. Your perspective is very limited if you think these are the only possible ideological options.

    And in any case, you know well that the present system has zero love for you. You’re just trying to convince yourself that your depressingly miserable role in it is still somehow nice and dignified.

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  259. on March 5, 2009 at 2:56 am David Alexander

    Trouble is, it’s questionable whether the status quo will be stable in the long run. As for your individual case, see how your present attitude works out for you in 30-40 years.

    There’s a part of me that thinks that the status quo will work out forever. If it doesn’t, one can always go to the proven escape method for whenever the status quo stops working, suicide.

    your nerdy pastimes can make life fun while you’re young, but what after that?

    Well, that’s the thing about my nerdy pastime. There’s always a new railway line to ride, a road that hasn’t been explored, and somewhere that needs visiting. The only difference is that in the future, I may have more money and more options at my disposal at the cost of slowly declining health.

    unless a patriarchal system awards them positions of honor, authority, and respect, the few years of youthful fun are followed by nothing but a pointless, joyless, and increasingly painful long march to the grave

    Except your patriarchal system is nothing but a pointless, joyless, painful long march to the grave. It has the same faults of the current system, but few positive benefits. Right now, I can basically have some female friends for companionship, be free to engage in my hobbies, and spend my money as I see fit. I get to deal with children (niece and nephew) in a way that’s fun, but with out the responsibilities of parenting. The patriarchy leaves me nothing but a limited role as some provider for a woman who probably doesn’t truly love me, and kids who suck all of my money. Being a father or a grandfather leaves simply a weak, impotent, and meaningless form of the honor, authority, and respect that you mention.

    Plus, the patriarchy takes away my inexpensive female companionship, and replaces it highly expensive and useless housewives…

    where do you see any source of joy in your life when you’ll be 50 or 60 years old?

    At the current rate, riding in inanimate objects that move on roads or rails.

    And in any case, you know well that the present system has zero love for you.

    Neither system has any love for me, but one system gives me the option to enjoy my life in the most convenient system possible. I fail to see how the patriarchy magically benefits me directly, while the status quo gives me a wide degree of social freedom with little direct public shaming.

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  260. on March 5, 2009 at 3:33 am Expat

    barring a radical genetic re-engineering of the human species

    You fear death also, don’t you?

    As I said, if you don’t have any end of the world scenarios that haunt you, you aren’t paying attention.

    Things are changing. Change, as in change. As in change. As in, not like before. Change.

    Changing.

    Changing world.

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  261. on March 5, 2009 at 6:22 am tokyojesusfist

    White Western Masculinist

    Christianity is neither Western nor White… it is Near Eastern in origin, meaning it is Jewish/Asiatic and thus not a viable part of the true Western tradition.

    Christianity is an integral part of Western civilization.

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  262. on March 5, 2009 at 7:12 am Lupo

    “So your opinion on Islam is based on three people. Three whole people out of ~1 billion. I think it’s safe to say that my sample size is a bit larger than yours.”

    Yeah, working in a national lab with a sister lab in Saudi Arabia, I never met any Muslims. My sample size >>> yours, even if you work for the CIA beating confessions out of sand people. I give up on you. You’re an idiot. You’re also a vagina, and I’m pretty sure those two facts are related.

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  263. on March 5, 2009 at 7:28 am tokyojesusfist

    Haha, what? I’m an idiot because you provide incomplete or misleading information? In your previous post you argued that Islam is a-okay because you’ve met three Muslims who are a-okay.

    And by the way, my sample size is in the millions.

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  264. on March 5, 2009 at 9:18 am gig

    The G manifesto is either real or not
    – if he is, your mocking of him turns against yourself. He would be swooping some fly girl while you composed a poem

    – if he isn’t, then you lost your time and he got the attention he desired.

    Anyway, I find him funny. And his method of talinkg with girls:
    STATEMENT STATEMENT QUESTION

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  265. on March 5, 2009 at 9:19 am gig

    is effective indeed.

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  266. on March 5, 2009 at 9:50 am tokyojesusfist

    Is this a STATEMENT STATEMENT QUESTION: “I am tired. I like fish. Isn’t it a nice day?”

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  267. on March 5, 2009 at 10:00 am Seeking Alpha

    TJF, try: “I ‘m a silly troll. I know nothing about girls. What am I doing?”

    Incidentally, it has the added benefit of being a haiku, so it’ll work doubly well for swooping fly Asian bo… girls.

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  268. on March 5, 2009 at 10:07 am tokyojesusfist

    I was obviously being completely serious. I commend you for immediately seeing through my clever attempt to pretend as if I was making a joke.

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  269. on March 5, 2009 at 10:53 am TurkishThought

    tokyojesusfist

    “Clearly, your reading comprehension is poor. I said AFTER THE VIOLENT PARTS ARE REMOVED.

    They can’t be removed. They are an inseparable part of Islam. Also, you said “we must get Islam to abandon terrorism” which is not the same thing as “we must get Islam to abandon violence.””

    Why even come ont hsi site with such inane comments? When was the last time a muslim country atatcked another country? Murder, desease, crime, drug abuse is so much less in Muslim Countries. Do you even look up the statistics? Do you even know your facts?

    With a name like yours it’s obvious your on this site as an agitator. Some lame fat person typing away trying to ruin other people’s live anon. becuase your life is so miserable.

    Tood is on the mark in so many ways!

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  270. on March 5, 2009 at 10:57 am lurker

    lol Tokyo. You are a true clown. backing down now, bitch boy?

    Bend over and take it like the girl you are.

    Clown.

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  271. on March 5, 2009 at 11:00 am Vladimir

    David Alexander:

    Except your patriarchal system is nothing but a pointless, joyless, painful long march to the grave. It has the same faults of the current system, but few positive benefits. Right now, I can basically have some female friends for companionship, be free to engage in my hobbies, and spend my money as I see fit. I get to deal with children (niece and nephew) in a way that’s fun, but with out the responsibilities of parenting.

    In other words, you think that the present system allows you to carve yourself a comfortable niche where you don’t do much in life, but you’re also free of any worries and responsibilities. Even if this were true, it can’t be the general principle by which everyone lives their life. For a society to have any future, people must have children and be able to raise them well, and to maintain and advance the civilization, significant numbers of people have to take risks and work hard in constructive ways. Your life perspective gives no incentive for either.

    When it comes to your little comfortable niche, you’re fooling yourself. You’re living your twenties like you’re still a teenager, which is socially acceptable nowadays, but you’re in for a rude awakening. In only a few years, do you think your female “friends” will even remember you? Do you think your nephews will care about you when they grow up a bit? How do you think people would see a 50 year old solitary man who spends his time engaged in your hobbies?

    Face it — you’re on the way to become a middle-aged loner weirdo of the sort that people tend to stereotype as creeps, stalkers, and perverts. At best, if your extended family is good and traditional, you’ll be the odd relative/uncle whom they still care about. However, that would still mean clinging to the remnants of the traditional patriarchal customs.

    The patriarchy leaves me nothing but a limited role as some provider for a woman who probably doesn’t truly love me, and kids who suck all of my money. Being a father or a grandfather leaves simply a weak, impotent, and meaningless form of the honor, authority, and respect that you mention.

    And how would you know that? Have you ever even seen a traditional patriarchal family in which older members (not just men!) are treated with honest respect?

    Even now, in the bloom of your youth, your present role makes you feel inferior and loserish. Think about what will happen later, when you’ll no longer have the free pass against being considered odd and creepy that’s nowadays given to young people.

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  272. on March 5, 2009 at 11:01 am lurker

    Tokyo, offering up more of his stupidity:

    “It is hardly a coincidence that Islam never recovered after its brief golden age”

    —-1200 years of a golden age. Yeah, pretty brief. (/sarcasm)

    Western civilization took a 1000 years just to *recover* from the fall of Rome. So you might as well be a Muslim scholar in 1300 saying that Christianity could never create a great civilization, since they haven’t recovered yet.

    Tokyo, you have moved beyond pure clown. you are now an Ass Clown.

    lol bitch boy.

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  273. on March 5, 2009 at 11:30 am Gordan

    lurker, just because you say that Tokyo is *now* an ass clown, doesn’t mean that he wasn’t *always* an ass clown.

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  274. on March 5, 2009 at 11:50 am tokyojesusfist

    TurkishThought

    Why even come ont hsi site with such inane comments? When was the last time a muslim country atatcked another country?

    Muslim nations went to war many times during the 20th century, not to mention before that. But the reason why Muslim countries can’t do what they used to do is because they lack power. Sponsoring terrorists is a viable strategy though.

    And war isn’t the only form of violence.

    Do you even know your facts?

    Yes.

    With a name like yours it’s obvious your on this site as an agitator. Some lame fat person typing away trying to ruin other people’s live anon. becuase your life is so miserable.

    Great argument.

    lurker

    lol Tokyo. You are a true clown. backing down now, bitch boy?

    I’m “backing down” because I didn’t respond to his post within a few minutes while I was busy doing something else? I’m sure you have the time to hang around in here 24/7.

    Bend over and take it like the girl you are.

    Clown.

    Go share your homosexual fantasies with someone who cares.

    -1200 years of a golden age. Yeah, pretty brief. (/sarcasm)

    It didn’t last that long.

    Western civilization took a 1000 years just to *recover* from the fall of Rome. So you might as well be a Muslim scholar in 1300 saying that Christianity could never create a great civilization, since they haven’t recovered yet.

    We’re not living in the 14th century, we’re living in the 21st century (and I guess you’ve never heard of the Byzantine Empire. You’re also greatly exaggerating the difference between Europe and the Islamic world in the 14th century). The Islamic world has no excuse for still lagging behind as if they were living in the first millennium.

    Tokyo, you have moved beyond pure clown. you are now an Ass Clown.

    lol bitch boy.

    Are you twelve years old or something?

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  275. on March 5, 2009 at 12:15 pm lurker

    Tokyo, bitch:

    “It didn’t last that long.”

    –Great Muslim territories/nations/empires existed from Muhammed (c. 600 A.D.) to about 1800. The Ottoman empire, the last great Muslim empire, declined in the 19th and vanished in the 20th.

    So, little boy, do the math. 1800-600=1200 years.

    PWNED.

    “We’re not living in the 14th century, we’re living in the 21st century.”

    –very good, at least you know what century you live in. However, your stating that now is the quivalent of a Muslim stating the same thing about Christianity in the 14th. You assert a definite outcome that most definitely can be proven false, and is only true now because you are not whisked away 400 years into the future.

    “You’re also greatly exaggerating the difference between Europe and the Islamic world in the 14th century.”

    —huh? So now all the great Muslim empires are exactly as great as European ones.

    Man, your foot jammed way down your throat.

    “The Islamic world has no excuse for still lagging behind as if they were living in the first millennium.”

    —lol. As your Muslim counterpart in 1200 A.D. would have said about Christians.

    lmao rofl.
    “Are you twelve years old or something?”

    –said the little boy making ridiculous, counterfactual arguments.

    Ass. Clown.

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  276. on March 5, 2009 at 12:16 pm lurker

    Too true, Gordan, too true.

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  277. on March 5, 2009 at 12:22 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    -Great Muslim territories/nations/empires existed from Muhammed (c. 600 A.D.) to about 1800. The Ottoman empire, the last great Muslim empire, declined in the 19th and vanished in the 20th.

    So, little boy, do the math. 1800-600=1200 years.

    WP: “The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance, was traditionally dated from the 700 A.D. to 1200 A.D.C.E.” That’s what I am referring to.

    PWNED.

    Right, I’m guessing you’re about 12-16 years old.

    However, your stating that now is the quivalent of a Muslim stating the same thing about Christianity in the 14th. You assert a definite outcome that most definitely can be proven false, and is only true now because you are not whisked away 400 years into the future.

    Today’s world is completely and utterly different than the 14th century. Our situation cannot be compared to theirs.

    huh? So now all the great Muslim empires are exactly as great as European ones.

    Is that what I said?

    lol. As your Muslim counterpart in 1200 A.D. would have said about Christians.

    Except the difference between Europe and the Islamic world in the 13th century was not significant enough to warrant such a comparison.

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  278. on March 5, 2009 at 12:30 pm lurker

    Tokyo, you just get more and more funny with each post:

    “WP”

    —Quoting wikipedia=automatically losing the argument.

    ““The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance, was traditionally dated from the 700 A.D. to 1200 A.D.C.E.” That’s what I am referring to.”

    —Sure, and I can call the “golden age” of America from 1950-election of the Messiah. But the successful, vibrant country ahs existed for 200.

    Wait, metaphors don’t work on trolls like you, so let me spell it out for you. Successful, powerful Muslim countries and culture existed for 1200 years. Period. PWNED.

    “Today’s world is completely and utterly different than the 14th century. Our situation cannot be compared to theirs.”

    —lmao rofl. This kid is just a stupid beast. Can’t get any metaphors.

    “Except the difference between Europe and the Islamic world in the 13th century was not significant enough to warrant such a comparison.”

    —lol Ass Clown. Oh god, the quality of life in the great Muslim nations in the 1300s vastly outstripped the pathetic European backwaters that existed. Unless you have proof of your ridiculous, historically inaccurate conclusion….which you don’t.

    Ass. Clown.

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  279. on March 5, 2009 at 12:37 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    Quoting wikipedia=automatically losing the argument.

    No, but nice try.

    Successful, powerful Muslim countries and culture existed for 1200 years. Period. PWNED.

    I don’t share your definition of successful.

    lmao rofl. This kid is just a stupid beast.

    Says the person who uses Internet-speak unironically.

    Can’t get any metaphors.

    It was a comparison, not a metaphor.

    Oh god, the quality of life in the great Muslim nations in the 1300s vastly outstripped the pathetic European backwaters that existed.

    Again, the differences were not as great as you claim.

    Ass. Clown.

    Do you have some sort of homosexual fixation on asses and clowns?

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  280. on March 5, 2009 at 12:46 pm lurker

    Tokyo, flailing about:

    “I don’t share your definition of successful.”

    —no, you just believe wikipedia’s. Which means you believe an unreliable source.

    “It was a comparison, not a metaphor.”

    –seriously, how old are you? A metaphor is a comparison. It compares two situations/images by substituting one for the other.

    “My love is a bird with wings” is a metaphor compares a person’s love with a bird.

    Welcome to English 101.

    “Again, the differences were not as great as you claim.”

    —lol. prove it. Prove it against the vast swath of history that says you are wrong.

    “Do you have some sort of homosexual fixation on asses and clowns?”

    —Just a purely heterosexual fixation on you, ass clown.

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  281. on March 5, 2009 at 12:47 pm lurker

    Tokyo reminds me of that kid from special ed who thinks the power rangers are real.

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  282. on March 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    no, you just believe wikipedia’s.

    When did I cite Wikipedia to define success?

    Which means you believe an unreliable source.

    You’re using this claim as an excuse. You had no idea what the Islamic Golden Age actually was.

    seriously, how old are you?

    You’re in no position to question the age of others.

    A metaphor is a comparison. It compares two situations/images by substituting one for the other.

    Metaphor and comparison are not synonyms, or the same thing. In any case, your comparison was flawed.

    Welcome to English 101.

    Is that the same place where you say things like “lol”?

    Just a purely homosexual fixation on you, ass clown.

    Sorry, I don’t swing that way. I’m more into women.

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  283. on March 5, 2009 at 2:30 pm bristlecone

    Holy shit am I glad I live in Texas. We’ll be the last State in the Union to go down.

    Seriously….why do you think Blue State people hated W so much? He was and wasn’t a lot of things, but “Beta” was not one of them.

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  284. on March 5, 2009 at 2:45 pm lurker

    lol Ass Clown:

    “When did I cite Wikipedia to define success?”

    but before:”WP: “The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance, was traditionally dated from the 700 A.D. to 1200 A.D.C.E.” That’s what I am referring to.”

    QED, bitch.

    “You’re using this claim as an excuse. You had no idea what the Islamic Golden Age actually was.”

    —Vibrant, successful Muslim empires existed for 1200 years. Fact.

    “You’re in no position to question the age of others.”

    –lol kid. Said the 14 year old pwned so many times, he’s been bought and sold.

    “Metaphor and comparison are not synonyms, or the same thing.”

    —A metaphor is a comparison. Synonym. Wrogn again, kid.

    “In any case, your comparison was flawed.”

    –lol kid. Keep dreaming, bitch boy.

    “Is that the same place where you say things like “lol”?”

    –Yep, ’cause at least I know what words mean, kiddo. And I can look up things, like the 1200 year existence of Muslim empires.

    I notice, Ass Clown, you have no facts to prove your case. Not surprising, since you made it up. But hey, what’s a liberal without a factless assertion of history?

    Face it, Ass Clown: you’re dumber than a sack of doorknobs. Now go back to your wee little hovel and hide that playboy from your mom and say ridiculous, meaningless thing like “Islam is inherently incapable of producing successful societies.” that facts directly contradict and then try to deny them.

    Ass. Clown.

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  285. on March 5, 2009 at 3:29 pm Sebastian Flyte

    I’ve been experimenting with some blatant, pathetic, needy, beta, David Alexander game on a Pole I met recently, just for research. It has been surprisingly effective. I interpreted every dither by her as an IOD, and responded with a load of ‘why you don’t respond? you don’t like me?’ (for some reason, with foreign girls, I absorb their mangled language frame subconsciously) Some messages at various intervals over the past two weeks:

    – 😦 Sebastian has sad face.
    – You want me to stop texting? 😦 sad face…
    – You don’t talk to me because of (insert personal DLV).
    – Should I find another girl?
    – hi 🙂
    – hi there cute girl 🙂
    – hi there cute polish girl, why don’t you respond? you hate me so much? 🙂
    – can you send me a photo? (I send unsolicited photo, she refuses to send one back)
    – what is the polish girl doing now?

    And others, you get the message. Anyway, today I got a text from her:

    ‘I had no credit, I only got it now. I’m back in Ireland, how are you doing :)?’

    I think this is a serious IOI given the sheer, deliberate anti-game I spewed over the past two weeks. It’s almost like she is passing one of my own ridiculous shit tests. I don’t know what happened. Maybe she sensed that I was doing this stuff deliberately, and it actually came across as ‘I don’t give a shit’, but I dunno. The whole time I didn’t care about whether I got her or not, maybe she sensed that.

    NB Caveat:
    I negged her very strongly in the first interaction, almost to breaking point. Serious attraction was created. The beta game was a follow up.

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  286. on March 5, 2009 at 4:19 pm Lupo

    Lurker man, it ain’t worth it: TJF is a David Alexander who paid for sex a few times. This same assclown tried arguing with a physicist about physics; doubtless his job writing C++ haikus has given him delusions of grandeur. Leave him alone with his shovel faced massage parlour girls, and he’ll eventually dry up and blow away.

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  287. on March 5, 2009 at 6:08 pm lurker

    Lupo, you have a point. It’s just painful how dumb Tokyo is, how much of a liar he is, and how unwilling he is to even admit to his own miscues and mistakes.

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  288. on March 5, 2009 at 7:09 pm Bhetti B

    xsplat: she clearly is neglecting you, I would’ve lovingly offered you a penis sandwich in the same beautiful spirit of spontaneous generosity… do you want your sausage sliced or pureed, darling? With or without the accompanying interestingly bloodred sauce that may or may not be ketchup, (perhaps some other substance thickened with cornflour to make it look ketchupy)?

    Funnily enough, seems like with muslims the last “rule” they seem to let go of is the pork one. Drugs, alcohol, sex, but PORK?! OMG NO! It’s a very interesting phenomenon. (Just to make it clear: I’m not implying any of the above about your girlfriend)

    Give up on tokyojesusfit: he won’t “change” his mind, he has made it up with his superior reasoning skills and will argue the sky is fuscia (including convincing himself of it) to stick to his point. He has very little social awareness, takes things literally and can’t tolerate emotion; I may be overanalysing but I think we may have a certain syndrome on our hands. Try not to take this personally, dude.

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  289. on March 5, 2009 at 7:22 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    but before:”WP: “The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance, was traditionally dated from the 700 A.D. to 1200 A.D.C.E.” That’s what I am referring to.”

    QED, bitch.

    I repeat: where did I cite Wikipedia to define success? I only used it to point out what the Islamic Golden Age was.

    Vibrant, successful Muslim empires existed for 1200 years. Fact.

    That’s not the Islamic Golden Age.

    lol kid. Said the 14 year old pwned so many times, he’s been bought and sold.

    You use Internet-speak unironically, and you obsessively repeat “ass clown” or some variation of it like some kind of retard. You have no business calling other people kids.

    A metaphor is a comparison. Synonym. Wrogn again, kid.

    Not synonyms. They have different meanings.

    lol kid. Keep dreaming, bitch boy.

    Fantastic rebuttal.

    Yep, ’cause at least I know what words mean, kiddo. And I can look up things, like the 1200 year existence of Muslim empires.

    I never said Muslim empires have not existed.

    I notice, Ass Clown, you have no facts to prove your case.

    I have better things to do than look up facts and references. Even when I’m dealing with moderately intelligent people (and you’re not one of them), they dismiss such things as right-wing conspiracies and propaganda or something. I’m sure you’d respond with something like “lol rotflmao ass clown bitch ass ass lol,” or something equally fantastic and insightful.

    Not surprising, since you made it up. But hey, what’s a liberal without a factless assertion of history?

    You’re completely out of the loop if you think liberals are opposed to Islam.

    Face it, Ass Clown: you’re dumber than a sack of doorknobs. Now go back to your wee little hovel and hide that playboy from your mom and say ridiculous, meaningless thing like “Islam is inherently incapable of producing successful societies.” that facts directly contradict and then try to deny them.

    I’ll keep saying it, since it’s the truth.

    Lupo

    Lurker man, it ain’t worth it: TJF is a David Alexander who paid for sex a few times.

    I have never paid for sex.

    This same assclown tried arguing with a physicist about physics

    I don’t remember ever arguing about physics here.

    doubtless his job writing C++ haikus has given him delusions of grandeur.

    I can’t write C++ or any other programming language.

    Leave him alone with his shovel faced massage parlour girls, and he’ll eventually dry up and blow away.

    I’ve never been to a massage parlour.

    lupo

    Lupo, you have a point. It’s just painful how dumb Tokyo is, how much of a liar he is, and how unwilling he is to even admit to his own miscues and mistakes.

    Where have I lied? Where have I not admitted mistakes?

    Bhetti B

    Give up on tokyojesusfit: he won’t “change” his mind, he has made it up with his superior reasoning skills and will argue the sky is fuscia (including convincing himself of it) to stick to his point.

    This is a self-defeating argument. If I am expected to arbitrarily change my mind, there is no reason why others, including you, should not be held to the same standard.

    He has very little social awareness, takes things literally and can’t tolerate emotion

    How is any of this relevant to the discussion at hand? How does it dispute anything I’ve posted? And what are these accusations based on anyway?

    I may be overanalysing but I think we may have a certain syndrome on our hands. Try not to take this personally, dude.

    The only syndrome here is that you’re an idiot, and I say that because anyone siding with lurker is automatically an idiot. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that he is borderline retarded and can’t come up with better arguments than “lol lol ass bitch lol,” when he isn’t busy with creepy homosexual innuendo.

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  290. on March 5, 2009 at 7:26 pm lurker

    Thanks Bhetti B; its not about educating him, just knowing I’m not the only sane person recognizing his insanity.

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  291. on March 5, 2009 at 7:48 pm xsplat

    Funnily enough, seems like with muslims the last “rule” they seem to let go of is the pork one. Drugs, alcohol, sex, but PORK?! OMG NO! It’s a very interesting phenomenon.

    Ya, it’s pretty freaky. My current GF even used to avoid restaurants where they cook pork, so as to avoid food contaminated with being cooked on a soiled pan.

    After a while I just said fuck it, and started to buy pork for my sandwiches. She was shocked. Fuck it.

    As is the theme of this blog, being pussy whipped helps no one. I make the rules, and that’s that, and if she doesn’t like it, she can live elsewhere. Instead of her being resentful, she claims to still be in love, even after two years.

    Yes, at times I straight up mock her. The hair stands up on the back of her neck sometimes, as I mock Muslims. She still takes her crazed notions seriously, but I don’t have to.

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  292. on March 5, 2009 at 10:07 pm David Alexander

    You’re living your twenties like you’re still a teenager

    Isn’t that the entire purpose of one’s twenties? Take money and enjoy yourself while one has few responsibilities and distractions like children, elderly parents, or pain?

    In only a few years, do you think your female “friends” will even remember you? Do you think your nephews will care about you when they grow up a bit?

    In theory, women who are too jaded and addicted to alpha cock will eventually need some warmth from a beta even on a temporary and limited basis… 🙂

    Seriously, I know that these things will happen, but at least I get to experience the friendships and the love of my niece and nephew. Mind you, I suspect that one can avoid the creep, stalker, pervert role by simply maintaining good hygiene, solid fashion sense, and by avoiding being bitter and vengeful. And admittedly, money can buy always buy attention…

    Have you ever even seen a traditional patriarchal family in which older members (not just men!) are treated with honest respect?

    It’s not out of honest respect, but simply an inertia from earlier times. These are the same people who were awful adults to us during our childhood, and we only act nice to them to spare ourselves of the wrath of being chastised for being mean to them.

    Even now, in the bloom of your youth, your present role makes you feel inferior and loserish.

    Eh, that’s because I don’t have the career that I can use to show off and brag to my old classmates, friends, and family.

    people must have children and be able to raise them well

    Rain And painted this future of David Alexander with a wife, kids, and a suburban Catholic parish, and some how painted this as some magical patriarchal world. Mind you, I didn’t necessarily see what made it so patriarchal. I really don’t see what makes raising children in the present system so difficult. The present system just gives all of us options on how to live our lives without being isolated.

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  293. on March 6, 2009 at 4:03 am Syltty

    The most alpha religious-type figure is definetly Muhammad! He had at least 11 wives!

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