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“I think BJs are gross”

March 4, 2009 by CH

I gently coaxed her head down toward my boner. Her hand vigorously pumped. Handjobs are lame. Most girls don’t do them right, chafing and tugging like maniacs, as if they’re pulling a weed out by the roots. I wanted the mouth upgrade. She resisted.

“No, I’m not doing that.”

“Oh?”

“I think blowjobs are gross. Eww. I don’t like that in my mouth. It’s not the same as going down on a girl.”

She had experimented with women back in the day. I thought for a second about what she said. More gross going down on cock than pussy? No way. It’s the difference between slurping on a hot dog and smearing your face with pubes and mucousy, unidentifiable juices.

“Wow, that’s the first time I’ve heard that.”

She bristled. “Most women don’t actually like it.”

“That hasn’t been my experience. In fact, I can’t think of a single girl I’ve ever been with who didn’t like giving head.” I was being truthful.

“Well, they aren’t going to tell you that they don’t like it.”

“Hmm. Maybe. But if they weren’t enjoying it, their moans of pleasure sure fooled me.”

“I don’t even like sex that much.”

I squinted at her, growing less aroused with each word she uttered. “Uh, ok.”

“Yeah, it’s not all that much of a turn-on for me. I get off when a guy goes down on me. That’s the best.”

Even though her hand was wrapped tight around my rod, I deflated like a week-old balloon. She spread her legs a little wider and began touching herself. She smiled at me and looked down at her pussy. “Mmm, I love when a guy goes down there. Like he can’t get enough of me.” Her fingers glistened with the proof of her arousal.

I admired her gall in the face of her abject hypocrisy. But there was no way I was eating her out. I have a rule I follow which has held me in good stead for my entire copulatory career: I don’t go down on a girl until she has gone down on me first, assuming she smells OK. Exception to the rule: She’d have to be extraordinarily hot, a 9 or above, for me to be inspired by my uncontrollable horniness to munch away in advance of her putting me in her mouth. And it’d have to be obvious by her writhing enthusiasm that she was geared up for some bigtime raunchy sex and a blowjob in due course.

The reason for this rule is simple. You have to make a girl earn your tongue. That means hummers and fucking first. It may sound calculating, but this is the way girls think. If you give her everything she wants for free, she will have less incentive to bend over backwards (literally) to please you in every way you want to be pleased. Blowjobs will seem like “special treats” in her mind that she blesses you with when you’ve been especially good to her. This is not how you properly train your girlfriend or fuckbuddy. Instead, hold back on the oral sex until she’s proven her worth by meeting your demands.

You always want her in the frame of mind of seeking your approval, pleasing you first, and working overtime to enjoy the breadcrumbs of attention you sprinkle on her. *That*, readers, is the foundation of hot, frequent sex. She *wants* to feel the struggle of earning your prize member, and your pricey love. Give her what she wants by withholding what she wants. As in all things women, the paradox is primary.

There are four reasons why a girl would balk at giving blowjobs.

  1. She’s sexually repressed. These types aren’t too common in DC, but they do exist. I give sluts a hard time, but her twisted sister, the Frigid Ice Queen, is just as distressing. At the first signs you have a sex-averse girl on your hands, run, do not walk, to the nearest exit. Odds are not good that you will unplug the Freudian sludge that clogs her pussy pipe. You may, but you probably won’t. And the worst decision a man can make in his life is to marry an Ice Queen. Worse even than marrying a slut with cheating whore issues. You will suffer endless blueball torment as her parched snapper slowly drains the masculinity out of you and drives you to the brink of insanity. Red flag: Her father is a preacher.
  2. She really doesn’t like giving blowjobs. If you’re like most men and you love getting head, there’s no point sticking it out with a girl like this, no matter how well she cooks. But don’t worry, this kind is rare. It’s been my experience that any girl who is very attracted to you will love sucking your cock. Most girls won’t need to be asked, or have their head pushed into position.
  3. She’s testing you. Some girls will make you wait it out for the goodies, teasing you with a lick on the shaft or a tip in their asshole, until you’ve satsified their need to know you are really into them. These types have been burned by men they loved, and regard your infinite patience and heavy balls as evidence that you love her for more than her body. Avoid her. You don’t want a girl in your life who uses sex as a weapon. You don’t want a girl who views sex as an all-in-one tool for self-validating ego-prop.
  4. She’s atoning for her past slutty ways. Of the four types listed here, this type is the most loathsome. She’s a brazen bitch. A selfish headcase. Damaged goods. She’s been on a merry-go-round of cock since puberty and woke up one morning feeling bad about it. Now she sees it as her duty to make amends for her whorish history, and you are her experimental beta guinea pig. “I’m not a slut!” pleads her shattered, spooged id. “And I’m going to prove it with this guy!” So she refrains from gobbling your cock, or makes you wait past the 3rd date for sex, thinking she can silence the screaming of the slut as a born-again prude. This is new ground she’s on, so she’s bound to be clumsy about it. You’ll hear her say incongruous things like “Stop pressuring me!” as she’s splayed out naked on your bed, legs spread wide, pussy leaving juice spots on your sheets. Her transparent act II psychodrama will infuriate you. What drives a man nuttier than knowing he’s being deviously denied that which so many other men have boffed freely? But what this deluded girl doesn’t know is that you have game. You have no trouble scoring. She can push you one, maybe two, dates more than your three date rule for sex, but she will inevitably push too far. And the bigger slut she’s been in her previous life, the harder she will attempt to atone for it by crushing your spirit. In a Battle Royale between a Rules Girl and a Player, always bet on player. You will walk, never looking back, your dignity flush with victory and your sack spared her wicked games. She can practice keeping her legs shut on another sucker. You’re not her sacrificial slut redeemer.

Maxim #71: When a girl signals that she doesn’t enjoy blowjobs or sex, do not spend one second more with her. Your libido is too important to gamble on such a girl.

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  1. on March 4, 2009 at 2:13 pm Professional Engineer

    Take heed Roissyites!!!

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  2. on March 4, 2009 at 2:13 pm Professional Engineer

    Oh and Foist!!!!

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  3. on March 4, 2009 at 2:26 pm Sal Paradise

    How can any chick rationalize that it’s ok for you to go down on her but not ok for her to go down on you? Not only is a girl like that completely selfish when it comes to sexual stuff, but she probably is selfish in all aspects of life.

    Once again, good post Roissy.

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  4. on March 4, 2009 at 2:28 pm Chuck

    You’re missing a whole group of girls who hand out blowjobs like Halloween candy but won’t put forth with the vagina.

    I’m not that into blowjobs myself. I’ve come across quite a few girls who offer head instead of sexual intercourse.

    It is true that a woman who is truly into you, no matter her disdain for cock-gobbling, will suck your dick and enjoy it. It turns her on that her man is enjoying her skills.

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  5. on March 4, 2009 at 2:36 pm lurker

    Roissy is right. Again.

    Reminds me of that Chris Rock bit (paraphrased):

    “There are three kinds of women. The first is the kind that won’t give head at all. You look at her like Yugo—-‘They still make you?’

    The second is the type that just does it just enough to please you. She puts her tongue on and asks you if that’s good.

    The third kind LLOOOOOVES to give head. She’ll suck you’re dick 8 nights a week.”

    I love a bj from a cock loving slut. I’ll date a slut if she gives great head, shows it to me, swallows, and THEN goes and washes out her mouth. It’s like a junkie discovering a fountain of crack.

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  6. on March 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm Virgle Kent

    you should have told her youd go down on her then blind folded her and then taken a dump on her vagina

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  7. on March 4, 2009 at 2:38 pm Sara I

    She *wants* to feel the struggle of earning your prize member, and your pricey love. Give her what she wants by withholding what she wants. As in all things women, the paradox is primary.

    This stupid approach would last less than five minutes with me. It’s been tried over and over and over and over, with the same epic fail results. Thankfully, I am not your type now (being over the hill) but at one time I surely would have been. Too bad for you roissy, that you’re by design stuck with second or third rate women. It seems a lot of men/boys are craving those types so keep on giving this great advice. You’re doing the world a big service.

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  8. on March 4, 2009 at 2:39 pm Ryder

    Roissy: “You have to make a girl earn your tongue.”

    LOL Pure gold.

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  9. on March 4, 2009 at 2:43 pm Honey of Power

    “This stupid approach would last less than five minutes with me. It’s been tried over and over and over and over, with the same epic fail results.”

    I interpret that as Sara never having gotten laid, ever.

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  10. on March 4, 2009 at 2:47 pm Sara I

    Honey

    Well I love giving blowjobs and have been laid a few times, if I remember correctly.

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  11. on March 4, 2009 at 2:48 pm jkc

    i find some truth to this post. particularly the bit about getting rid of women who use sex as a weapon. well spoken, sir.

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  12. on March 4, 2009 at 2:52 pm goldenseed

    This is truth. It’s reasonable as a guy to expect a blowjob first. I echo Roissy – Unless she is hot as hell with a gorgeous, well formed, well trimmed (sorry Peter) vagina, I’m not going down there until I get indication that she is committed to sucking my cock with enthusiasm (whether real or feigned).

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  13. on March 4, 2009 at 2:54 pm z

    Sex from the least to most prudish:

    1) Holding hands

    2) Hugging

    3) Kissing

    4) Toungue kissing

    5) Missionary sex

    6) All other positions in the Kama Sutra (that great literary achivement)

    7) Blow jobs

    8) Eating pussy (Funny joke/pick up line when a chick tells you that you have a smart mouth, “Im a “cunning-linguist”)

    9) Anal sex

    10) Rim jobs

    Note: The disgusting things involving bodily fluids that come thereafter dont register as human sexuality to me, but some deeply psychologically flawed physical acts. Ive been told lezbos like to pee on each other, but hope thats not the case for their sake.

    Ladies, if you swallow for him……………………he will know that you love him, especially if you look up at him with those big cat-shaped pretty eyes while doing so. It will probably get you that really big engagement ring that you were -really- afraid to ask for (unfortunately). Young women who train themselves to deep throat and ignore their own gag reflex show determination and sacrafice—–good traits for would-be-mothers-of-his-offspring to exhibit for him.

    The points the author makes about turning around the psychological dynamic here are worthy of a second read. Its so right about human nature in general. People VALUE things they have to WORK for a little bit. That cold beer really does taste better after a hard day’s work.

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  14. on March 4, 2009 at 2:57 pm roissy

    sara bats her ascii eyelashes at roissy, ruler of her loins:
    Well I love giving blowjobs and have been laid a few times, if I remember correctly.

    it’s been that long?

    you need sexual healing. come here, sara. lift your skirt. now… i want you to feel my hands pressed lightly against the small of your back… my fingers gently finding their way under your panty line, prying the lace away from your skin… my hand slowly sliding down the fleshy mound of your ass cheek, the fingers probing the furrow in between… i grab your hip with one hand to steady you while the other presses further down your backside… a finger lightly grazes your vulva from behind… you jump with pleasure, sparks shooting through your thighs and loins… your knees tremble… then… a deep moan rises like a phoenix from your chest as i plunge my fingers past the canopy of your hidden lips into the deeper humid jungle of your womanhood…

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  15. on March 4, 2009 at 3:07 pm ironrailsironweights

    It’s the difference between slurping on a hot dog and smearing your face with pubes and mucousy, unidentifiable juices.

    Yum. So delicious.

    Peter

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  16. on March 4, 2009 at 3:08 pm Peregrine John

    There’s an old joke: Why does a bride smile on the way to the altar? She’s thinking, “Last blowjob ever.”

    If only it were a joke. How many times have I heard the lament from the trenches of matrimony? I even saw a shirt in New Orleans that said, “My life sucks. My wife won’t.” Har har har. Funnier when less true, though everyone (everyone) thinks, My girl is different.

    So what motivates a woman to turn on that dime? No one willingly marries an Ice Queen. No one with a pulse, anyway.

    I hate bate and switch, especially when it messes with someone’s life. I tell them, go get whatever you want wherever you want. She broke the contract; you can’t cheat on a lie; your conscience is clear. They so rarely do, the poor nadless things, trapped in a fiction with a swindler.

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  17. on March 4, 2009 at 3:08 pm agnostic

    One advantage of going to dance clubs is that you can spot this bullshit within 5 seconds of interacting with them. She’s the girl who quickly pries your hands off from her hips, and says, “just let me work you.”

    While I’m flattered that you’ve chosen my body to get yourself off on, you’re deluded if you think I’m not going to touch you. Bitches are crazy sometimes.

    Maybe after 1 million attempts at day game, you can decipher the subtler signals that a girl falls into the “eat me, I won’t eat you” group. But in a dance club, it’s obvious right away and you can save yourself a *lot* of time.

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  18. on March 4, 2009 at 3:10 pm Sara I

    roissy, you really should consider writing romance novels. I think the majority of women who read them are past 40, but I’m not one of them. Still, it was a nice try.

    Unfortunately I know too well what doesn’t comes after as i plunge my fingers past the canopy of your hidden lips into the deeper humid jungle of your womanhood. There is something deeper still and it is not a sexual thing, but a love thing, roissy. Going from woman to woman or man to man is madness. It’s like looking in the mirror and seeing someone different everytime. Eventually you will just go mad, or maybe you’re already there.

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  19. on March 4, 2009 at 3:22 pm Sara I

    Peregrine John

    The reason women stop giving blow jobs or sex to their husbands in MY experience is that we no longer feel emotionally connected. If a women has sex out of a sense of duty or obligation (as in living up to a contract) it’s a very ugly thing and many women simply cannot bring themselves to do it. It feels horrible and women are feeling based whether you like it or not. Viva la difference!

    So if a man wants to emotionally reconnect with his wife he needs to do something to make her feel good outside the bedroom, and not as a ploy to get sex or she’ll know it. He would be wise to do something special for you or better yet SAY something to let her know how important she is to him and she’ll be more open to having sex with him. She doesn’t want to feel USED as an object whether you think that’s good or bad is completely irrelevant to the reality. Why would you want a women who is cheap? Especially why would you want a cheap WIFE?

    Roissy says she must earn his dick and the opposite is true when you’re dealing with a functional woman as opposed to the wretched beings roissy exploits.

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  20. on March 4, 2009 at 3:25 pm Sara I

    Peregrine John

    Perhaps you should be asking Peter (ronrailsironweights) for advice. He probably gets more great head than anyone here.

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  21. on March 4, 2009 at 3:31 pm Anonymous

    so when sara talks about her past, she’s always been with abusers and losers, yet in every comments section she acts like she’s infallible and impervious to being fooled by any unworthy guy.

    shut the fuck up sara.

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  22. on March 4, 2009 at 3:36 pm dougjnn

    Less than half way through the post it popped into me head:

    Chic Noir’s white doppleganger.

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  23. on March 4, 2009 at 3:36 pm Kthulah

    The girl is a Lesbian. Period.

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  24. on March 4, 2009 at 3:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Why the prenump should include daily bj’s at a time specified by the husband. Make that wife thing more of a job since it pays better than one. how many jobs can you get a retirement check after less then a year of work.

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  25. on March 4, 2009 at 3:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    The guy could put out a schedule weekly of duties to keep her (job)

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  26. on March 4, 2009 at 3:40 pm Zdeno

    “I think girls who don’t give BJ’s are gross”

    I haven’t dated a girl who was so explicitly anti-blowjob that I can remember, but you definitely come across some who do it like it’s a chore, and are kinda hesitant. Much less fun.

    The best way to train them to be better is to put yourself in a position to be touching her while she is sucking. 69 is the obvious choice, but I’m not a big fan, prefer to use my hands on her while she’s on her back and kind of kneel over her face. When she does what you want, do something she likes. When she is hesitant and less enthusiastic, pull back and tease her. Try and cum when she does. She will be a champ in no time.

    Even better than having to train is to just filter out the prudish girls early on. Bring up sex as a topic of conversation early on, and see how she responds.

    Zdeno

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  27. on March 4, 2009 at 3:42 pm mdaspinall

    sara – there’s loadsa girls who are bloody great at BJ’s noisy slurpers etc.. If a girl ceases makin an effort – sure you find out why, but then if she gone off, don’t ask me to join her in havin a miserable time. no way !!! get another bird who is twice as eager… end of story. same goes for the woman too.. if she aint gettin some then she can go and play. it’s what PEOPLE do… Its not emotional connectedness or anything like that…its plain ole dirty sex and lust.. (how did one woman put it ? sumethin along the lines of…then all of a sudden the fu**lust came over me and i was cumming like a train – yee haw for that woman !!!)

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  28. on March 4, 2009 at 3:42 pm Sara I

    anonymous 3:31

    so when sara talks about her past, she’s always been with abusers and losers, yet in every comments section she acts like she’s infallible and impervious to being fooled by any unworthy guy.

    shut the fuck up sara.

    I feel honored to have drawn forth such passionate emotions. The truth is–as if you didn’t know–experience IS the best teacher.

    Roissy, I’m really stuck on this idea of yours (though I think you bullshit for effect) that a woman must earn your dick. If you want to see a great example of that, take a look at my ex’s life. It’s not pretty. He never loves or respects women who go out of their way to please him and do EVERYTHING his way though that’s the only only type of woman he can be with long term. You say you MIGHT want long term but it’s virtually impossible to find a quality women and it just might be your “demand” for this type of doormat that keeps you from attracting a quality woman. In other words, you’re not behaving as a quality man.

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  29. on March 4, 2009 at 3:44 pm Kick a Bitch

    hey Sara, you take care of the taint?

    what about the step-children?

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  30. on March 4, 2009 at 3:45 pm Bhetti B

    You’re missing out on the joy of the romance novel, Sara! Happy endings > recession; they’re pretty much available in all genres (fantasy, scifi, historical, mystery) and the well written ones are a dream with their explorations…

    I’m not crazy on the sex scenes myself, and roissy would have to write love convincingly, keeping the ‘ew’-factor language down.

    Maybe for the erotica genre; but he’d have to be a bit more imaginative…!

    Speaking of romance novel readers, roissy: http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/02/27/dilemma-friday/ Read the comments: ladies seem to be more honest than you think! BUT, seems like only as age progresses maybe.

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  31. on March 4, 2009 at 3:46 pm Chuck

    z:

    I’m not trying to say porn is a good model for sexual escalation, but they generally follow the same path as what you laid out. In porn, it’s talking, kissing, fingering, BJ, eat her out, missionary, doggy, reverse cowgirl or some other “unorthodox” position, anal and/or rimjob, money shot.

    However, I see no reason why going down on a chick is less prude than receiving a BJ. Perhaps it’s trying to play catch-up with the help of the feminist sect, but I see them as inherently equal in “raunchiness”. Going down is generally more sloppy, and I’ve actually had nosebleeds while tongueing the kitty, but receiving a mouthful of jizz has to be quite nasty.

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  32. on March 4, 2009 at 3:49 pm dougjnn

    Gunslingergregi

    Make that wife thing more of a job since it pays better than one. how many jobs can you get a retirement check after less then a year of work.

    That’s just what it used to be.

    Romantic love was a bonus to hoped for and worked at.

    The notion that that no marriages should occur without romantic love and in fact the one bestest romantic love that the bride to be can find and win, is pretty much a Hollywood invention. Well it has some precursors in the chivalric, knighly love, tradition, but was seen there as a rare thing, often occurring outside marriage.

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  33. on March 4, 2009 at 3:49 pm Bhetti B

    Roissy, you have cruelly destroyed all my fantasies of you madly falling in lust with my Ice Queen self. WHY?! WHYYY?!?!? *sobs pathetically*

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  34. on March 4, 2009 at 3:51 pm z

    Peregrine John:

    Ive heard that “wedding cake” is toxic to a wife’s libido.

    Peregrine John:
    Look at this:
    BEFORE MARRIAGE
    ————————————————————————

    John:”Ah, at last. I can hardly wait!”
    Jane: “Do you want me to leave?”
    John: “NO! Don’t even think about it!”
    Jane: “Do you love me?”
    John: “Of course, always have and always will”
    Jane: “Have you ever cheated on me?”
    John: “No, why are you even asking?”
    Jane: “Will you kiss me?”
    John: “Of course, every chance I get”
    Jane: “Will you hit me?”
    John: “Hell no! Are you crazy?”
    Jane: “Can I trust you?”
    John: “Yes”
    Jane: “Darling”

    Peter, for all those pics you have abused us with, here is one for you,:

    Peregine John…………………………Don’t listen to Sara. She is trying to “turn the tables” on you and make you feel like men who aren’t getting sex from their wives are at fault. Her shitty libidio isn’t your fault. She is supposed to have a libido. If she FEARED YOU KICKING HER OUT like she SHOULD, her pussy would re-moisten like a swamp after a hard rain, but since that is financially deleterious for yourself and she knows it, you are no longer a “challenge”. Our screwy alimony/spousal support laws fuck with women’s minds more than men’s and remove the protector/provider role from men that is a part of the natural attraction dynamic between the sexes. Sara is obviously obsessed with Roissy and posts on this site to just be contradictory to the themes explored and sentiments expressed, probably out of a fatalistic attraction for him more than anything else. As Roosh once observed, when listening to women about advice for what to do with other women, take it and just do the exact opposite in practice. I think Roosh was right.

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  35. on March 4, 2009 at 3:56 pm Chloe

    I agree with kthulah: that girl was a lesbian. She must have slipped by your radar or something Roissy.

    Related question: is it true that white girls give head quicker/ with less inhibition than black girls? (just something I always wondered about, and since I’m here, I figured, I might as well ask)

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  36. on March 4, 2009 at 3:56 pm redhead

    Hol.E.Crap. This story after the Paris-Hilton-answering-phone-during-sex story and the slap-across-the-face story can only mean one thing: you are “dating” too many damaged little girls. Really completely damaged. Have you ever thought about choosing better women?

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  37. on March 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm Sara I

    Peregrine John

    Listen to z, John. He says If she FEARED YOU KICKING HER OUT like she SHOULD, her pussy would re-moisten like a swamp after a hard rain

    Fear is the #1 TOOL’S tool for great sex…and LOVE? What does love have to do with it? Nothing, apparently. In the end, do what feels right to you and forget what anyone else says period.

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  38. on March 4, 2009 at 4:01 pm Chloe

    @ redhead

    [i]Have you ever thought about choosing better women?[/i]

    I don’t think that’s his purpose. He’s trynna get ass, not get married.

    It is what it is.

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  39. on March 4, 2009 at 4:01 pm Taff

    VK – absolute gold!

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  40. on March 4, 2009 at 4:01 pm Sara I

    Kick a Bitch

    hey Sara, you take care of the taint?

    what about the step-children?

    You must have gone to a better school than I. Is this what you mean?

    taint 2535 up, 485 down
    The area between the nutsack and asshole that prevent a man from shitting on his nuts.

    Step children? You lost me.

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  41. on March 4, 2009 at 4:02 pm Chuck

    Women *do* want to feel like they’ve earned the cock. If you’re too willing to give them *everything* they want w/o reciprocation, then you’ve relegated yourself to vibrator or Purple Saguaro status.

    I’m not sure about the experience of most guys here, but mine is that there are quite a few girls who are sexually repressed only when *receiving* oral. They are irrationally nervous that their vagina smells or that it tastes funny. These type of women are more than willing to go straight to intercourse instead of asking you to go downtown.

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  42. on March 4, 2009 at 4:03 pm Peregrine John

    This is a hell of a reaction for my first comment here… what, maybe ever? Wow.

    z, the lack of challenge thing might sum it up all at once. I’ll think about this further, taking everything up in this thread into consideration (yes, even you, Sara I), but for now I’ll stay the course with my advice to victims of bait-and-switch.

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  43. on March 4, 2009 at 4:04 pm BasilRansom

    My fellow men: don’t accept handjobs. Don’t give her the satisfaction of bringing you to climax that way. Even if you don’t, she’ll take points for ‘trying.’ Deny her that satisfaction. She will begin to feel bad, empowering you.

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  44. on March 4, 2009 at 4:07 pm Lisa

    What about the guys who can’t just chill and relax when you want to go down on them, they have it in their head they need to be doing something at all times. This seems to be a rising trend, too. Can’t we all just look out for number one?

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  45. on March 4, 2009 at 4:09 pm Sara I

    z

    Peregine John…………………………Don’t listen to Sara. She is trying to “turn the tables” on you and make you feel like men who aren’t getting sex from their wives are at fault.

    It taint fault, it’s simple awareness of the difference between the male and female sex drive. Women are much, much, much more auditory. They want to HEAR certain things that turn her on, while a man wants to SEE certain things that turn him on. It’s like saying a women should be able to be fat and sluggish and have men lining up to have sex with them at the same time. You’re just being plain stupid to not be aware of what turns women on.

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  46. on March 4, 2009 at 4:10 pm Brad

    Ugh, when women do this kind of this it’s almost nauseating. Especially this girl, her personality screams PRUDE. “Most girls don’t like to give head” and then, with even more audacity, “I don’t even enjoy sex that much.” I would have up putting my clothes on trying to get out the door as fast as I could. Especially with the whole thing about how fun with other women was better for her… I can’t believe you didn’t mention this roissy. These types of women, the ones that openly talk about it in a way to try and avoid doing something with you, are almost always out of their minds.

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  47. on March 4, 2009 at 4:11 pm Brad

    Oh, and fuck handjobs! What a waste of time, I don’t know why women even bother.

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  48. on March 4, 2009 at 4:15 pm Ode to the married man

    1). roissy’s post describes a tit-for-tat between two people who have little passion, and certainly no love, for each other. a cold buzzkill saga.

    2). Sara’s comment at 3:22 was real. The bj’s, and sex in general, end because the passion,trust, and respect has dwindled. It’s a symptom.

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  49. on March 4, 2009 at 4:15 pm Sara I

    brad

    I have a Tantra video that shows an amazing hand job being given. The man is having orgasm after orgasm without ejaculating. This is of course a foreign concept in the West. His cock is so hard, it’s purple. Yes, roissy it’s a purple saguaro only the real thing,

    It might be on this video, though it looks slightly different than the one I have:

    http://www.amazon.com/Tantra-Conscious-Loving-Caroline-Muir/dp/B0013E35GS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1236201260&sr=1-1

    And be forewarned, the couple on this video are pretty strange.

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  50. on March 4, 2009 at 4:21 pm roissy

    anony:
    roissy’s post describes a tit-for-tat between two people who have little passion

    oh, there was plenty of passion. or maybe you missed the part about the pussy juice spot on the bedsheets?

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  51. on March 4, 2009 at 4:22 pm Simon

    I would expect Roissy to be one of the world’s connoisseurs of blowjobs. The fact is that it is not just the willingness to do it, it’s how it’s done that counts. As in everything in life, there is scale from zero to infinity. In my experience black women really put their hearts and souls into it. They want to make you their tongue slaves for life. A capacious mouth, a long tongue and playful fingers can put a man into a state of abandoned ecstasy. A perfunctory BJ is essentially mouth masturbation while an extrodinary one you will remember your whole life and get hard just thinking about it. One final note – a really good woman can play with her clit while doing you and can skillfully bring you and herself to orgasm at the same time.

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  52. on March 4, 2009 at 4:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea sara but after that his dick will not be the same for a week. Better to have bj or sex for your dicks sake.

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  53. on March 4, 2009 at 4:39 pm Jane

    The comments are too entertaining.

    Just as you don’t seem to be too fond of eating pussy, there will be as many who aren’t head over heels for sucking cock.

    It’s like racism:
    You get over it your irrational fear of the unfamiliar and false rumors after you really get to know the other and realize that they’re actually pretty awesome.

    Statistically speaking, “Men receive oral sex about 80% of the time in first-time hookups, whereas women receive it less than half the time.” So you really can’t be complaining and in fact us women should be the one complaining.

    But really it is our fault. “The male psychology on women’s orgasms is comparable to their psychology on housework: Men don’t pull their weight on either front because no one makes them.”

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  54. on March 4, 2009 at 4:42 pm Ode to the married man

    now advance the calendar 12-15 years
    It was the lowest point in our marriage, and I contemplated where to live after a divorce. As I weighted the pros and cons, I couldn’t ignore the pleasures of cunnilingus with him. Logically, it shouldn’t have been on the scales, but I dreaded the loss of his touch, and couldn’t imagine any other man that generous. We’re still together.

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  55. on March 4, 2009 at 4:51 pm Chuck

    An honest question, open to anyone, from a guy who enjoys going down on a woman more than receiving a blowjob:

    Which is a better means of turning on your woman and holding her attraction?

    a.) holding out on oral stimulation until she has properly desired your cock?

    b.) eating her out in the initial stages of foreplay and giving her orgasms?

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  56. on March 4, 2009 at 4:52 pm Chloe

    As I re-read the story, I get more and more disgusted with the girl. She doesn’t like giving head, she doesn’t like sex, so… basically… she wanted to be with a girl, right?

    Who does that?

    And, the fact that she tries to put her bullshit on everybody else (“Most women don’t actually like it.”) makes it even more ridiculous. I very much enjoy giving blowjobs, tyvm.

    Finally, it’s morally wrong to take a guy home and THEN give him a list of shit you won’t do. You’re supposed to do that in advance, so he can decide if he’s still interested, limitations and all. This was the skank version of bait and switch.

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  57. on March 4, 2009 at 5:02 pm Keith

    “You have to make a girl earn your tongue. That means hummers and fucking first. It may sound calculating, but this is the way girls think. If you give her everything she wants for free, she will have less incentive to bend over backwards (literally) to please you in every way you want to be pleased.”

    This is the way fucked up losers, including Roissy himself, think. It’s some lame arrested development routine, for people who never emotionally made it past 13. Sitting there trying to play “I’m cooler than you.”

    Generally, if you make any woman come three times before you’ve come once, she’s gobbling you like crazy, period.

    If you’re actually any good, and you can demonstrate it, you don’t need these games.

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  58. on March 4, 2009 at 5:03 pm Chuck

    Chloe:

    Agreed on most points.

    I would say that this girl is either bisexual with a heavy skewness towards the muff or she has a mental age in the range of 18-20. No time-tested and cock-worn woman would expect a man to plop down on his belly with no quid pro quo.

    Ah. One other scenario. She’s a woman’s studies major who believes in the subservience of men to women.

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  59. on March 4, 2009 at 5:08 pm Keith

    “In a Battle Royale between a Rules Girl and a Player, always bet on player. ”

    The Rules Girl and the Player are the same type of person, made for each other.

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  60. on March 4, 2009 at 5:12 pm Chloe

    @ Keith
    “Generally, if you make any woman come three times before you’ve come once, she’s gobbling you like crazy, period.”

    You’re right. That’s how my first bf did it, but, considering all the “Pump and Dump” crap I hear around here, I don’t get the impression that PUA’s are into all that time investment.

    @Chuck

    If, as Roissy reports, she doesn’t like sex (with men), she’s not bisexual. I’ll go with you on the ‘mental age of 18-20’ hypothesis, just because, when I was that age, I knew some girls who had a competition to see who could get the most guys to eat them out, with no reciprocation.

    Needless to say, given my other comments, I thought it was a tremendous waste of time, but I did get a lot of love from guys who thought they were sluts, lol.

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  61. on March 4, 2009 at 5:13 pm Chuck

    Keith:

    “Generally, if you make any woman come three times before you’ve come once, she’s gobbling you like crazy, period.”

    I’m struggling with this concept sometimes. Making a woman cum at a higher frequency that you cum yourself is not enough to make a woman worship your cock. Women are selfish by nature. If you make them come three times on a regular basis they will set that ratio in their head as the new standard. You have to add something to the mix to prevent her from using you as her personal dildo.

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  62. on March 4, 2009 at 5:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Holding a womans attraction after you have sex is easy. I must have been living on another planet. You guys are seriously saying that the woman no longer wants to have sex after you have been together. Unless it is the end of the relationship why wouldn’t the woman want to have sex. Aren’t guys usually the ones initiating it. Do they just say no every time? Why would you stay under those conditions?

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  63. on March 4, 2009 at 5:17 pm z

    Peregine John,

    “z, the lack of challenge thing might sum it up all at once”

    PJ, I think thats exactly what it is.

    Ive watched some video of Erik Von Markowick (Myserty) and read the E-book, the Mystery Method.

    EVM touches on the similarities between attracting a woman and getting a rise out of a pet cat. If you throw a ball of yarn to a cat…………………the creature might paw at it for a second, but will ultimately let it lie there.

    If you take a long piece of yarn and dangle it in a cats face, kind of annoying it, and pulling it away…………………the primal hunter-carnivore instincts get aroused and the little beast goes wild trying to devour it, and gets pissed off when you stop, often snuggling its body against you (like cats do) and purring and meowing for you to entertain it more. Roissy kind of covered this behavior in describing playing with his young neice and how humans are pretty much the same way.

    The dynamic (unfortunately) changes when many men get married to women. The women “have him” then, and have legal rights to so much of his income, she is not afraid of losing him at all. She takes his love for granted and demands greater and greater sacrafices on his part for her to be impressed with his efforts. Hey, the free food, home, central heating and air conditioning, being on his medical plan, your car, your car insurance, the warm stove, the refrigerator, the clothes and every other thing that he as your husband provides should be all the fuck you need to be grateful. If we didn’t have these legal procedures that we have (which have only come into being in the last century) women would indeed fear behaving toward their man in such cold, unromantic terms. He’d just tell her to leave and get another woman WHO TREATS HIM LIKE SHE LOVES HIM IN RETURN FOR HIS LOVE AN PROVIDING FOR HER AND THEIR BROOD. You put a ring on her goddamned finger and suddenly she feels these things YOU provide are HERS (and roughly half of them are, just wait until the divorce proceedings).

    Peregine John,

    Women are the WORLD’s HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS of “turning things around on you” and making YOU feel guilty for things they have done that are inconsiderate. Some women even go so far as to try and blame the men in their lives for their own cheating because “he doesn’t listen”, etc.
    A man has to screen his prospective mate very carefully to weed out the one’s prone to this. I think a guy would be wise to try and find a chick who came from a happy family where mom and dad got along really well and are still married if he can find that. If she has a lot of affection for her father and brothers, she might be less inclined to see men as simply a means-to-an-end. It still amazes me that women who have sons can be the way they are towards the men in their lives. You’d think they’d be afraid of karma biting them in the ass and having some young women emotionally mistreat their own sons someday, but as Ive pointed out, the future-time-orientation for females isn’t the same as it is for males. Welfare, AFDC, Food Stamps, Endless Media-Fawning, Child Support/Alimony have all suppressed the survival instinct in females and replaced it with a sense of entitlement, especially if she pops out a kid or two.

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  64. on March 4, 2009 at 5:23 pm Rum

    Jane
    Regarding housework. Something deserves to be called “work” only if someone else is requiring that it be done. Things you do around the house on your own volition are called “hobbies”. Single men do very little of what women call housework and they rarely care as much as a women about that sort of thing if she moves in. So quit calling it work. Guys usually wash their own cars but they do not pose as victims when they do.
    As far as orgasm work; the single biggest factor there is the females inner assessment of the guy. If she respects him enough, a few tugs on her ear-lobe will pull the trigger. If her deep sex-brain is screaming “loser” he will be wasting his time no matter what&for how long he does with her body parts.

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  65. on March 4, 2009 at 5:25 pm roissy

    chloe:
    when I was that age, I knew some girls who had a competition to see who could get the most guys to eat them out, with no reciprocation.

    aaaand another roissy truth corroborated.

    keith, you paying attention? you may want to take notes.

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  66. on March 4, 2009 at 5:26 pm Great Post, Important Topic

    This is a very important topic. My own rules are very different than Roissy’s: they are aesthetic. First, youth and appearance are my big criteria on deciding whether to go down or not. I have no rule about reciprocity b/c I like to eat pussy, and women tell me that I’m good at it. If its a nice, young twat that I know has been defiled by less than 5 cocks, I’m in there. (EX. I’m currently talking to a 23 year old yoga instructor who told me she has never been eaten, because she says she is “uncomfortable” with it. I’d have no qualms about getting in there up to my ears.) Now, if its a 30-year old “urban slut machine” that I met in a bar, forget it. Some girls have nice beautiful twats and some have mangled rats nests of stank. I remember the nice ones and I went down on them without being asked or expecting reciprocation. The bad ones were repulsive and even if I had freakish good sex with them, I won’t go back down there.

    As for BJs, there is one extremely important reason why girls don’t do it, which Roissy left out, and which in my experience accounts for more than half the instances of BJ denial: uncomfortable with their own ability. Alot of girls have had bad experiences with not getting guys off, being forced into it, not wanting to swallow or whether to swallow, and all that stuff amounts to trauma for them. I have heard more than one girl say “Don’t touch my head at all”. This to me means they have felt pressured or forced in the past. I also remember a girl who told me outright that she’d been pushed into it by a past boyfriend and she hated it ever since. There’s a lot of psychological stuff going on with BJs that Roissy’s categories fail to address.

    I remember a skinny little 18 year old Jewish girl for whom I was her first BJ ever – I had to tell her exactly what to do, basically. It was great fun, even though it was kind of torture. But I remember thinking: I have to be extra-sensitive, supportive and nice right now because if this experience traumatizes her she’ll hesitate in the future, and I’ll be doing her future lovers a great service (she was 100% pump and dump for me). She got the job done, swallowed everything. I was impressed. I imagine she has gone on to do great things in the world of cocksucking.

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  67. on March 4, 2009 at 5:28 pm Chloe

    Chuck, I know you were responding to Keith, but, as a woman, allow me to weigh in on this topic.

    “If you make them come three times on a regular basis they will set that ratio in their head as the new standard.”

    Women, despite what you hear around here, are not uniformly selfish. It’s possible that you’re dealing with selfish bitches, in which case, I suggest you find another pool of recruits. For the average women, cumming three times in one session is OUTSTANDING, and deserving of reciprocity.

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  68. on March 4, 2009 at 5:31 pm lurker

    Hey Roissy,

    If you want to see the feminazi slut machines in all their illogical glory, go to Salon.com and find the section called “Broadstreet”, where the baby-killing, career-minded, multiple cock taking harpies try to figure out why they have bad relationships, poor self-esteem, and fucked up children.

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  69. on March 4, 2009 at 5:32 pm lurker

    Jewish girls give the best head, but it stops at the altar:

    Q: Did you hear about Jewish girls disease?
    A: They get a rash on their knees once they put the wedding dress on.

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  70. on March 4, 2009 at 5:32 pm Rum

    Keith
    “Obtuse” is not one of my favorite words. I mean, many more people understand the word “stupid” and it means about the same thing. But sometimes, a person who may or may not be stupid is acting obtuse. So I shall apply it here.
    You are being obtuse. Students of Game and Rules-Whores are opposites, mostly. Game is about giving women what they really, deep down, want from a man sexually. The Rules prep a woman to defraud a man – setting up a bait and switch. You may not care about such a difference but there it is.

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  71. on March 4, 2009 at 5:35 pm Chloe

    Roissy,

    What’s being corroborated? Have you discussed this before?

    To be fair, the girls in question were quite upfront about it. They made it very clear that there was nothing in it for the guys, but still, the numbers they racked up were very impressive. The guys were mostly gross, though.

    Also, how do I do italics here?

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  72. on March 4, 2009 at 5:40 pm Sparks123

    I greatly enjoy eating pussy and roll my eyes at the machismo act Roissy puts on for this. That said, this girl is a fucking bitch who takes no consideration for her lover.

    Depending on how hot she was, I might have eaten her out anyway and then send her packing. The worst that would happen is that I eat a pussy without reciprocation. In my book, I’m still a winner.

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  73. on March 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm Chloe

    Rum,

    “The Rules prep a woman to defraud a man – setting up a bait and switch. You may not care about such a difference but there it is.”

    I disagree. I, too, prefer ‘obtuse’ over ‘stupid’, but I read The Rules when it came out and thought it was stupid. When I was single, I didn’t have time for playing games. If I gave a guy my number, which I rarely did, it was because I wanted to fuck him, full stop. I didn’t understand the point of dragging it out.

    Now, in retrospect, I can see that the book, while useless to me, may have been helpful for women trying to reassert their ‘quality’, ie, Roissy’s #4, and hopefully, do better in the market. I think Game serves a similar purpose, ie, taking a guy who’s not a ‘natural’ and giving him the opportunity to do better in the market.

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  74. on March 4, 2009 at 5:44 pm Kthulah

    If it’s just about a one-nighter, who really cares? Get your nut whatever way she’ll consent to, and go.

    The only time anything other than the ego validation stamp really matters sexually is when one is trying to bond. Then it’s important. Otherwise it’s just aerobics anyway.

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  75. on March 4, 2009 at 5:47 pm dougjnn

    Chloe

    To be fair, the girls in question were quite upfront about it. They made it very clear that there was nothing in it for the guys, but still, the numbers they racked up were very impressive. The guys were mostly gross, though.

    I’m surprised that decent looking non fat girls, i.e. 5 or 6 or above, would want even utterly unreciprocated pussy licking from mostly gross guys. Yeah I realize that the competition was the thing, but I’d have thought they’d be too squicked to let that be the field of battle.

    I suppose if they were also competitively really snarky and mean to their lickers, certain types of girls could get jollies out of it.

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  76. on March 4, 2009 at 5:51 pm Chloe

    Kthulah,

    From what I gathered, it sounds like the girl was pretty resistant to ANY method of Roissy “get[ting] a nut,” aside from her dry-ass hand, unless she was down for anal and Roissy neglected to share that with us.

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  77. on March 4, 2009 at 5:52 pm Chuck

    Chloe:

    I’m talking in terms of a more Long-Term endeavor I guess. If a woman comes 3 times she will probably do most anything you want. If, on the other hand, the woman is *used* to being pleasured that many times by her man, then it’s just par for the course. The man becomes *average* despite his proficiency in bed.

    Of course not all women are selfish, but for the most part, they are the more selfish lover. Of course, this is to be expected since pussy is in higher demand than cock.

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  78. on March 4, 2009 at 5:54 pm dougjnn

    Kthulah

    If it’s just about a one-nighter, who really cares? Get your nut whatever way she’ll consent to, and go.

    Up to a point only. That point will depend on how much quality poon the guy in question has been getting elsewhere.

    It’s like going downscale on the hotness scale to get easily off when nothing else is readily available for the skills you’re bringing that night. Up to a point.

    Beyond that it’s not worth it.

    And we too feel a certain revulsion in the morning when the drink’s worn off.

    It’s the same kind of thing when you’re dealing with a girl who’s not lining up with you emotionally.

    Actually that gets to how I’m interpreting this. That’s as a power dynamic. She wants guys to worship her pussy, not be submitting to his cock.

    If that dynamic ISN’T there, and it’s just the physical sensation loss, then it would downgrade the attraction for doing her for me much less.

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  79. on March 4, 2009 at 5:56 pm dick fuel

    whats maxim 69?

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  80. on March 4, 2009 at 5:57 pm Chloe

    dougjnn,

    “I’m surprised that decent looking non fat girls, i.e. 5 or 6 or above, would want even utterly unreciprocated pussy licking from mostly gross guys.”

    Okay, first of all, they were about 5’s or 6’s, in my estimation, but guys, especially black ones, may have felt differently because they had nice asses.

    Second, they were freaks. Oftentimes, tag-teaming freaks. So, I suppose the guys were hoping that, once the competition was over, they might have a chance fucking both of them.

    Third, they were snarky, but not mean. The whole vibe was surprisingly congenial.

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  81. on March 4, 2009 at 5:58 pm dick fuel

    “deeper humid jungle of your womanhood”

    twill soon be a rainforest…

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  82. on March 4, 2009 at 6:00 pm dougjnn

    Roissy —

    I think you left out a 5th possibility in your list. I touched on this in my immediately prior comment to another.

    5. She wants you worshiping her pretty little pussy, and NOT her worshiping your manly cock. She’s a pretty little princess after all, that so many boys and girls want, and she’s used to having her flirty but demanding way. Or of course she could be a strident feminist who insists it’s demeaning, but has concocted some reason, perhaps like the lame one you have in this girl’s mouth in your post, why it’s not the mirror of a guy eating a girl. That used to be not at all uncommon in days of yore, worst perhaps in the later 80s.

    I.e. She doesn’t want, or doesn’t yet know she wants, to truly surrender to a manly man as the ultimate sexual thrill. Any girl who does know, and many who don’t, sucks cock big time.

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  83. on March 4, 2009 at 6:00 pm dougjnn

    Manly men’s cock that is.

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  84. on March 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm z

    Another “trick” from Tony Clink’s, “The Layguide”

    The Head Tilt

    Books on body language tell us that when a woman is interested in a conversation, she tilts her head. If you tilt your OWN head when listening to a woman, it helps express to her that you are interested in what she is saying (even if you really are not). And it works even though a woman may not consciously realize you are tilting your head. If you allow a woman to prattle on about something stupid like how her pink bridesmaid dress clashes with her already “naturally” (obviously colored) red hair, ask her the kind of folow up questions you normally would (about the friend, the dress, the wedding–WHEREVER YOU ARE TRYING TO LEAD HER IN ESCALATION), with a slight tilt of your own head. You’ll find that you’re much more effective in getting the woman interested because she senses youre’re much more interested in her……………

    I dont know if any of the above works, but thats in Clink’s book (paraphrased for length), and a lot of his other advice is pretty standard stuff. Ive not heard that one before, but have noticed chicks to indeed tilt their heads when talking to each other for whatever strange reason.

    Clink also mentions that in mirroring, after ‘following’ and ‘pacing’ for a time, you can start ‘leading’. If you for instance cough and then she coughs, scratches and then she scratches, your concious mind is gaining influence on her unconcious mind. Usually physcial leading will keep pace with YOUR verbal leading as you escalate, and the influence of your voice and words, and movements of your body grow on her subconcious. Clink mentions that an even more advanced form of mirroring is advocated by some experts in the seduction field. Its the mirroring of her breath and blinking of her eyes. If you are able to do this effectively, it supposedly creates an extrodinary degree of rapport on the subconcious level. Clink warns however that a novice who uses this will simply get a girl to think that he is staring at her tits and will be neglecting more important parts of gaming her—-like talking to her and listening to what she has to say and escalating the interaction.

    Again…………………I dont know if that stuff works, but thought I’d pass it along to some of the guys out there who read this blog for their own experimentation/entertainment (try it out on a chick you couldn’t care less about fucking, etc.)

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  85. on March 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm Chloe

    Chuck,

    “I’m talking in terms of a more Long-Term endeavor I guess. ”

    Oooh, okay, that makes more sense. I was thinking, in the context of Roissy’s account, about a one-nighter. You’re right: my bf is amazing, but I’m used to it now.

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  86. on March 4, 2009 at 6:07 pm Max from Australia

    To Sara I, Ode to the married man, assorted Feminasti lurckers et al.

    Have you guys given ANY thought to just how desperately poor you are going to be in old age without a man???

    Especially given the current global meltdown?

    Your mothers and grandmothers spent 40 or 50 years in a partnership building up resources and reserves for retirement.

    You haven’t !

    Will the Pension and social secruity be around in 2030???

    They wont !

    They are now massively underfunded Ponzi schemes and simply WILL NOT be there for you.

    Will all those children you sport-aborted in your 20’s be there to look after you when your old.

    No!, their ghosts will haunt you with a life of abject loneliness

    My best advice is to you all is to get married within a year to a farmer have 4 quickly children, get a good job, keep a great house, keep your husband happy and and save save save your pennies.

    Max (helping you get “emotionally connected” with reality circa 2030)

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  87. on March 4, 2009 at 6:10 pm Jane

    Rum,

    Your argument against my orgasm quote did not make sense to me at all. No worries, you were probably in a hurry.

    At least in the family I grew up in, my father never cooked, did the laundry, or cleaned around the house. He could probably care less if the house was clean, however he would get upset if my mother did not make dinner. He would sit around with a certain annoyance until my mother finally gave into making dinner. My mother was a pushover and though she would complain she never made my father do anything and he didn’t have to because my mother never made him.

    I am aware that there are relationships where this might be the complete opposite, I have certainly witness the latter. However, the former still clearly exists today and it would be ignorant to disregard it altogether.

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  88. on March 4, 2009 at 6:11 pm redhead

    I repeat my comment above about Roissy’s screening criteria. For the last three explicit stories about girls, the girls were seriously fucked-up masochists or just plain immature and selfish (especially the last one who couldn’t even use anatomical terms except “down there”).

    Roissy you are seriously picking some low hanging fruit. I’ve lost major respect for you.

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  89. on March 4, 2009 at 6:12 pm Comment_Women

    I think, again, the whole making woman go first or blowing their mind first has a lot to do with the woman’s take on the situation.

    For players with high libidos, or Beta’s with puppy-dog want to please, and indeed almost all normal guys, making her go first establishes dominance and shows that they have to please you before you please them. This works, it always works. Things that always work are good. Even for the people capable of pulling off the second, the first still works.

    However, if you are, by nature or freakish history, able to control yourself and stay ‘aloof’ while blowing their mind you can establish even more levels of dominance. Remember the short woman’s poem:
    “i loved that he was so powerful i was nothing.”

    Being in control of your sexual desire when you aren’t supposed to be is another form of (potentially wierd turn-off) dominance.

    This is lack-of-neediness 100x. Some women like it.

    Women are very used to having sexual power over men.

    They want you but do you really want them? Shouldn’t you be asking them to please you? Don’t you want them?

    It flips the script in the bedroom. They give men rewards…. but the man is rewarding them and not asking…. what the *bleep*? The cat analogy is good, they want a reaction… and they are going to get one. Again it has to be handled correctly.

    Of course you have to avoid looking like a beta desperate to please for this to matter. If you look desperate to please instead, it will blow-up on you. Boom. You just lost 50 attraction points. Bad.

    The Roissy method always works.

    However, depending on the woman’s assement of the situation, yes Keith’s point can work. In an extremely tricky, can-blow-up-on-you-easily kind of way.

    Oddly enough.

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  90. on March 4, 2009 at 6:14 pm Chuck

    redhead:

    I’m not sure of Roissy’s “sample size” of women, but if he’s banging a large enough amount of women he’s going to run across a few bad apples.

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  91. on March 4, 2009 at 6:15 pm Chloe

    z,

    That bit about the head tilt that you posted, absolutely right. I’ve used it on both men and women, and not always for sexual purposes. It’s useful in everyday life to make people think you’re sympathetic to their bullshit, and then you can get them to do something useful for you, whatever that may be.

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  92. on March 4, 2009 at 6:17 pm Chloe

    Comment_Women,

    “Being in control of your sexual desire when you aren’t supposed to be is another form of (potentially wierd turn-off) dominance.

    This is lack-of-neediness 100x. Some women like it.”

    You’re right, this happened to me once. Turned me on like crazy. 🙂

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  93. on March 4, 2009 at 6:18 pm roissy

    if he’s banging a large enough amount of women he’s going to run across a few bad apples.

    stories about normal, quality girls aren’t as fun to read. or write.

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  94. on March 4, 2009 at 6:28 pm Ode to the married man

    @Max,
    While I share your concern for Social Security, I am on track to be more financially set in retirement than 99.9999% of the world. I am married.
    Your comment re: marrying a farmer is delightfully intriguing and will pass that on to friends.

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  95. on March 4, 2009 at 6:32 pm QR

    Yes, she’s definitely a dyke.

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  96. on March 4, 2009 at 6:39 pm Max from Australia

    Ode to the married man

    Good for you that you are married you are one of the lucky ones –

    I am 3 things A player, an Actuary and an Economist.

    Let me tell you the average single 30 something girl circa 2010 is going to be dirt poor and starving*circa 2030 – 2040 unless they start building up some serious financial (and social + family) support and reserves NOW.

    I advocate marrying a farmer because while the economy may only grow at 2-4% p.a. (and your share will be much less) Its actually very easy for a married team to get a farm to be 6-10% p.a. more productive year on year (nature being friendly) – also you get to eat your produce BEFORE the taxman takes his cut.. Normal working schmucks like myself pay the taxman FIRST and then we get to eat.

    Anyway – I dont want to derail Riossies great thread. But forming strong teams and lasting bonds in a marriage is going to be crucial for survival in the not to distant future.

    *note you cant eat your Jimmy Choos.

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  97. on March 4, 2009 at 6:40 pm Rain And

    when I was that age, I knew some girls who had a competition to see who could get the most guys to eat them out, with no reciprocation.

    One sexual survey found that there are more guys who say they are turned on eating girls out, than there are girls who say they get turned on bbeing eaten out!

    I mean honestly, if some 10 asks a high school boy to eat her pussy, is this really some kind of greater victory for the 10?

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  98. on March 4, 2009 at 6:40 pm Sara I

    Max from Australia

    To Sara I, Ode to the married man, assorted Feminasti lurckers et al.

    Have you guys given ANY thought to just how desperately poor you are going to be in old age without a man???

    What do you mean WHEN I get older? I’m fucking broke now and working my ass off. Call me stupid, but I don’t consider it anyone else’s responsibility to provide me with financial security. Having said that, it would sure be nice to have some financial assistance. I’m not opposed to it.

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  99. on March 4, 2009 at 6:45 pm John

    z,

    interesting thing about the head tilt. FWIW, I don’t know if it’s true either. In the book ‘Peoplewatching’ by Desmond Morris, he says the head tilt is a submissive gesture. He specifically mentions an example when done by a woman it mimics the act of a daughter placing her head on a father’s shoulder. That’s his interpretation of the head tilt.

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  100. on March 4, 2009 at 6:47 pm z

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_are_reality_shows

    That is a quite funny video that you all will be glad you clicked on.

    Chloe,
    Maybe the head tilt thing works then…………………….

    Chloe,
    I used to underestimate the effect on psychological tricks on people but life in general has disabused me of that notion. All these “sales-success” seminars that come through various mid-size and larger cities are primarily just that: ways to get people to say yes and buy. The psych-tricks are honed by professionals at the home office and then taught and then spread through the sales force. Afterwards they are employed on the general public with unremitting ferocity.

    One of the greatest psych-tricks of all time was a political one that happened in the Clinton adminstration. The Clinton team (perhaps through Blumenthal or Carville), leaked info about Ken Star’s taped deposition to the public before it aired. The leak, to the Drudge Report, stated that Clinton really lost his cool, got red-faced angry, and that we’d “see the guy for who he really was”. People who watched the televised depostion didn’t pay attention to whoppers like “it depends on what you definition of ‘is’, is” and the endless evasion Clinton used…………………………they just kept waiting for him to blow a gasket and lose his temper. Ultimately, they felt like the Starr report was a big dud and the Special Prosecutor’s Office was houding poor Bill for no apparent reason (other than the fact that he lied about getting blowjobs from Monica Lewinsky, and sticking cigars up her pussy and then sucking on them, and giving her gifts, and then asking Bettie Currie (his secretary) to get the gifts back from Lewinsky (and to give Lewinsky’s back, etc) and to lie about the whole episode. Three felonies were commited: perjury, subornation of perjury by others (Currie), obstruction of justice (covering up). Everybody gave Bill a pass because they were dissapointed he didn’t go into a nuclear meltdown because their expectations had been so raised by the intentional leak to the Drudge Report. It was a beautiful op in political terms.

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  101. on March 4, 2009 at 6:47 pm Max from Australia

    Sara I

    I am genuinely sorry to hear that – and its for people like you I wrote the harsh post – because when you can no longer work you are going to be REAL broke and there will be very little govt support to help you.

    My prescription for you is to sell everything you own, pay off all your debts, (or change your name and abscond from them) move to a warm part of America and get very friendly very quickly with a Farmer or if you like the seaside a fisherman.

    (if I were a girl personally i’d go for the fisherman).

    And then YOU “emotionally connect” with him! – Learn to drive the trawler and haul in the nets, support him and he’ll support you!

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  102. on March 4, 2009 at 6:51 pm DT

    Give her what she wants by withholding what she wants. As in all things women, the paradox is primary.

    That last line is the best summary of women I’ve ever read.

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  103. on March 4, 2009 at 6:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Max and Ode

    Farming owns. Looking at 35 percent returns or better now. Why my wife is rich and I am not. Gives me incentive to take it to the next level and cover a acre in hydroponics looking at 150 to 300 tons of tomatoes. Crazy returns.

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  104. on March 4, 2009 at 7:00 pm Kthulah

    Max, penises don’t make money unless you pimp them, and these days they don’t call much because too many guys are giving it away for free.

    Not every woman is a wage slave or a parasite.

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  105. on March 4, 2009 at 7:01 pm Bhetti B

    All I can bring myself to say is ‘Great Post, Important Topic’ is on the money. Got pressured, not wanting to go near a penis again in my life (except with a scalpel or a catheter?)

    And… insane/beta ex was sooo eager/insane that he went down on me when I didn’t want him to (he knews this, said he was sorry right before doing it) and wouldn’t stop despite me telling him it hurt/physically trying to get him off me. I physiologically reacted to it anyway, which just worsened the psychological damage and his complete misinterpretation about what I was experiencing. Tried telling me I wasn’t feeling any pain, it was just extreme pleasure. No, it was pain. Most definitely, 100%, albeit co-occuring with the nice sensations I was supposed to be feeling. Why did it hurt? I seem to have some sort of anatomical variation (increased sensitivity etc). I have no clue if his technique could’ve been part of it.

    Looks like this may be a rare ocurrence to occur to females, but I was skillful to find just the right guy to do it! Just one more explanation for why I can’t stomach a man touching me for the forseeable future.

    The point is: you thought it couldn’t happen but it can be done!

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  106. on March 4, 2009 at 7:02 pm russell rodriguez

    thanks for the advice roissy, going down on a woman looks nasty and i wuld never do it, id rather just have her go to the store to get me some twinkies, then she can blow me, then she can nail me, then i kick her out know what i mean?

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  107. on March 4, 2009 at 7:12 pm Kthulah

    Bhetti, you have to understand something about this site…It’s like a men’s smoking room or something…like the porch after Sunday dinner: men zone.

    Men use harsher language and express things more bluntly among themselves than they do among women. There are women here, but we’re like bringing symbolic beer, or the tomboy cousin who hangs around because she can’t stand the clucking hens in the livingroom or something.

    Don’t use what you read here to judge men in general, or even the men posting here. Few if any of them are truly this gloomy or harsh in daily life…or at least they don’t come off that way.

    What being here should do is raise your awareness to things that are important to men. They have alot of pressure from many different directions, and most would at least like to come home to a home worth coming to.

    Some are players, and some are husband types…just like some women are whores, and others, wife types. So take notes, but don’t take things personally.

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  108. on March 4, 2009 at 7:14 pm Max from Australia

    Gunslingergregi
    Max and Ode

    Farming owns. Looking at 35 percent returns or better now.

    Thanks for the confirmation dude – I went conservative with the 10%…. I would love a Hybrid normal Farm / Fish Farm near the sea so I could really crank up my returns.

    Are you covering the whole Acre in a greenhouse and then going Hydro??? — Thats a kick ass set up !! — you’ll probably probably have it pay you back in 3-4 years and then enjoy 30+ years of creamy profit in the usefull life of your initial investment thereafter…

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  109. on March 4, 2009 at 7:21 pm Max from Australia

    Gunslingergregi

    The one good thing about the global economic meltdown is that places like this are coming within my reach

    http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2006861094

    Never cold, t-shirt climate and culture, crabs, prawns, turtles, and crayfish, and fish a plenty from the river and sea (nearby) and 2+ growing seasons of fruit and vegetables per year, and tastey farm animals to eat!!!

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  110. on March 4, 2009 at 7:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hydroponics can go hand in hand with producing talapia check the web. If I manufacture the stuff in indo though where I plan on placing it should cost way less than the 300k I looked at to cover an acre. Plus I get bonus of helping them feed the world and get rid of hunger Check also university of arizona class there for 500 bucks and biggest hydro greenhouse in us. I just need to be able to make glass panels and steel girders in 3 or 4 sizes. Shouldn’t be hard. I will go with smaller test one to try it out. Gonna get a money base before I go after dreams again though learn from my wife. Don’t reinvent the wheel to get to where you don’t have to worry about money. Then go for the superstar stuff.

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  111. on March 4, 2009 at 7:38 pm Max from Australia

    Thats Awesome – Thanks I’ll look into it.

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  112. on March 4, 2009 at 7:47 pm dougjnn

    Sara I

    What do you mean WHEN I get older? I’m fucking broke now and working my ass off. Call me stupid, but I don’t consider it anyone else’s responsibility to provide me with financial security. Having said that, it would sure be nice to have some financial assistance. I’m not opposed to it.

    I am. BIG TIME.

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  113. on March 4, 2009 at 7:49 pm dougjnn

    Sara I —

    Misfired post.

    I am. BIG TIME. Unless you’re earning it CURRENTLY from a man, by being his full in doing it for him woman. NOT by claiming rights after you abandoned him.

    Roissy’s right. It was a mistake to give women the vote. You sure as hell couldn’t have gotten it from us militarily.

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  114. on March 4, 2009 at 7:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea 1.7 mil you are talking really rich. To me rich would be 10 times minimum wage earnings. Considering in living most things for “wealthy” don’t cost much more than 2 to 3 times per level what average costs. Average hotel room 100 well above average 300 best 1000. Average meal mcdonalds 10 bucks for 2 outback 36, 5 star resteraunt 100. Average house 200k superhouse 1.7 mil. 1.7 mil if you are at that level not much you can’t do that will net you massive returns and definetly not talking the stock market.

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  115. on March 4, 2009 at 7:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    Course I am sure you experience what everyone who has money probably has a hard time with. Multiplying yourself to make a shitload more. You can give most people money and they couldn’t do shit with it but buy a car or house for personal use.

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  116. on March 4, 2009 at 8:04 pm Max from Australia

    Gunslingergregi

    To clarify The Australian Property market is slowly crashing – that property will only be worth $1m in 24 months for sure….

    and then it will be within my reach..

    .. the average house in Australia anywhere near the beach still costs at least $500K (but then 1AUD = 63 US cents)..

    It is very common for young prof Aussies to buy property here and then leave for 5 years working the USA or UK so they can pay off their loan in “hard” currency.

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  117. on March 4, 2009 at 8:07 pm Max from Australia

    Oh and I still drive a $3k ford pickup truck – its not even an F100 😦

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  118. on March 4, 2009 at 8:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    sara already got financial security from her former husband for 5 years and didn’t do anything with it. That is the problem. You would of probably been fine with having him work forever for you if they would have let you get away with it. Without giving him anything but visitation rights.

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  119. on March 4, 2009 at 8:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    and then the whole time he has to give you checks talking about how friendly you two still are lol so he can make sure you don’t go crazy on him and not let him see his kid and how “bad” he was in the marriage and how many phsychological “faults” he had that justified you leaving and being able to take his handout. Did the handout work? Are you self sufficient?

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  120. on March 4, 2009 at 8:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Would you help him if he experienced some difficulty for 5 years of your own free will out of a sence of fairness lol

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  121. on March 4, 2009 at 8:14 pm Max from Australia

    Gunslingergregi

    An aweful lot of the current generation of single mothers are going to cycle off the child support gravy train when they are 45 – 55 years of age.. in approximately 2030- 2040…

    Ask yourself —- who is going to pay for them then? how will they live???

    answer – the former husband from 20 years ago will have to keep paying.

    The’ll sure as hell be no pension / social security, the women will have no money or savings or ways of earning money …

    .. So the government WILL HAVE A MASSIVE INCENTIVE to come after the original guy and force him to support her forever….

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  122. on March 4, 2009 at 8:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Max what are marriage laws like in Australia?

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  123. on March 4, 2009 at 8:19 pm Kthulah

    Doug, do you think that if women didn’t get the vote, men wouldn’t have to pay alimony or child support?

    In that kind of country, you’d basically be forced to fully support a woman for the rest of her life, and her family might rather her be a widow than a divorcee.

    Anytime you’re unclear about that, ask a Christian who isn’t from a western country. Things can get real ugly real fast when women aren’t allowed to be independent. It creates an artificial hierarchy that requires violence to maintain.

    Minds should not be wasted. If your woman doesn’t have the brains to be a businesswoman, engineer, or whatever, that’s not my problem. I shouldn’t be denied the right to be a full fledged citizen and have my small say in the government of my country just because you married a bimbo.

    I’m no fan of feminists, and am in fact very nietzschean when it comes to these things. I will make my way and survive in whatever way I can…and if it means working for a living, then that’s great…but if it means being forced to live by the whims of a man, then I’m going to make sure his whims don’t put me in the poor house or the wrong end of a bullet because one of his whores wants what I have.

    Really, there aren’t many women like me, but you’d really rather have us making our own money than forcing us into an artificial dependency…because as psycho as we are in business, we’d be twice that in a gilded cage…those of you who can afford gilded cages to keep us in anyway.

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  124. on March 4, 2009 at 8:33 pm The Truth Hurts

    It’s highly likely Mr. O’Toole, even at his advanced age, requires his women to submit to blowjobs upon first date. Body language reveals so many things.

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  125. on March 4, 2009 at 8:34 pm dougjnn

    Gunslingergregi

    Yea 1.7 mil you are talking really rich.

    Well that just proves you don’t know shit, and are too poor to have much idea about anything to do with rich.

    Rich is having enough money to be able to live rich, or at a minimum upper upper middle income, without having to work.

    Highly successful investment returns, aside from as we now all know being highly uncertain, are also even in good times a form of work. Highly skilled work.

    So we’re talking about coupon clipping returns.

    Which are at about 4%, normalized over various years.

    So lets aim for a 250k a year income. An upper, upper middle class one only.

    Forth the math illiterate (innumerate), probably a majority of the women readers of this blog (be honest if you could figure this out!) divide by 4%, or .04, and you get = 6.25 million.

    Build in a little cushion for times like this and you get a rounded up 10 million.

    Yes I think ten million is today the bare threshold of being a classic movie “millionaire”.

    Serious money beings at 50 million. 10 is just richly getting by.

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  126. on March 4, 2009 at 8:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    But these woman with “brains” cannot take care of themselves and are broke. I think you paint a more dreary picture than what happens when you don’t just automatically give woman a living for nothing. It gets really scary when you tell a woman she is independant and she finds out she is just a slave working for nothing. Then she has to take that out on her husband in the us. She is like f that you be a slave and give me my fing money.

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  127. on March 4, 2009 at 8:37 pm Chic Noir

    dougjnn Serious money beings at 50 million. 10 is just richly getting by.

    *starts music*
    *waits for the G to make a statement about the above*

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  128. on March 4, 2009 at 8:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    250 k won’t get you classic millionaire doug.

    but I consider 10k a month not working rich.

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  129. on March 4, 2009 at 8:42 pm dougjnn

    Oh and I left out the cost of your richly appropriate house. If you include that in your tally of your assets, then you’ve taken away the cushion above what’s usually necessary to earn 250K a year by capital alone, clipping coupons so to speak, inflation adjusted. So maybe you need to have 15 million now to be a real classic movie millionaire, in round numbers.

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  130. on March 4, 2009 at 8:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    Something you can potentially get to in 5 years working. Who the fuck wants to retire at 65 just because tv says so?
    I’ll take the 35 route and still be rich and young lol

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  131. on March 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm Kthulah

    Gunslinger, I don’t mean “with brains” the way some women talking about it mean. I mean with real brains.

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  132. on March 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    I won’t have a rich “house” to milk me or the rich “boat” I will have all that cash in spending money so I will be able to stay in hotels around the world year long. And if I ever get bored with that I think I could do a little better than 250k off of 15 mil are you mental. Like I said before you can buy existing mcdonalds for 1 mil or a red lobster type for 3 mil and make a mil a year. Not too much work involved for you.

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  133. on March 4, 2009 at 8:58 pm Max from Australia

    Gunslingergregi
    Max what are marriage laws like in Australia?

    Hell

    My brother has 2 kids, earns 200K (120K after taxes) and owns 2 houses worth in total 1.2m

    He just got divorced and lost 75% of his assets and has to pay $50K p.a. in child support leaving him with 70Kpa to support himself…

    In Australia Children = Handcuffs.

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  134. on March 4, 2009 at 9:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    651785 could get you classic millionaire. I lived pretty large for 2 weeks on 25k But then again I still didn’t have a house payment, help, or boat to pay for. if you are buying your wife 100k necklaces or 200k cars prob not gonna cut it. The movie lifestyle is meant to keep the rich working as no one can really afford that lifestyle. If you make 10 mil a year and have 50 hangers on consuming 50k a year you just blew 5 mil. Take into account your multiple houses and theres the other 5. Broke. Object for me is to keep my spending money on actually living rich large. Got to draw a line somewhere or you will never be able to chill.

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  135. on March 4, 2009 at 9:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    omg max that shit is insane. What kind of fucking madness is this shit.

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  136. on March 4, 2009 at 9:04 pm xsplat

    You’re missing a whole group of girls who hand out blowjobs like Halloween candy but won’t put forth with the vagina.

    Absolutely. i only ever knew one such girl. She was the town fellatist, but her pussy was haunted by the spirit of chastity belts past. The odd thing about her though was how she worked sex for money. She hunted husbands for what kind of car they could provide. While blowing me on the side.

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  137. on March 4, 2009 at 9:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    And you still want to buy a expensive house in australia. Do you plan on getting married?

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  138. on March 4, 2009 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    “goes to vomit”

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  139. on March 4, 2009 at 9:07 pm xsplat

    There is only one way to treat a woman who doesn’t give head.

    Come on her face.

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  140. on March 4, 2009 at 9:08 pm xsplat

    Worked with my current GF. She has an ick factor?! I’ll give you an ick factor, bitch!

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  141. on March 4, 2009 at 9:10 pm xsplat

    It’s also fair play to grab the woman by the hair, drag her into the toilet, and pee on her feet.

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  142. on March 4, 2009 at 9:14 pm Max from Australia

    Yes – to a traditional girl from another country.

    When I am 55 and have my farm set up and fully pumping. And I might do another stint working overseas first.

    Our government will definitely bring in a single man tax. In my office their are 35% western single women with no kids and no money aged from 35plus.

    They are going to be VERY explensive to keep alive

    The west is in a Demographic Death spiral – once your average woman is older than the age of 35 thats it – your civilisation is dead!!!

    It might look like its alive for a few years and but soon you’ll realise its full of marauding zombies slowly..inexorably sucking the life out of the taxpayers (i.e. productive men)

    Thank god Australia is blessed with a close proximity to Asia.. Low taxes, productive people, youth, beauty, family values etc.

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  143. on March 4, 2009 at 9:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Still need the book for young men it will be the new best seller page after page of men who have been taken for their hard earned dollars by woman. Interviews about what the woman used to be like then ask about how they acted in the end and were they reasonable. At least arm people with knowledge. Bet after all the years he pays her money she won’t have shit to show. End up like whats her name that blogs here.

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  144. on March 4, 2009 at 9:23 pm xsplat

    Kthulah

    The girl is a Lesbian. Period.

    I had been skipping over both of your posts. But this one was worth something.

    Maybe you’ve got it.

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  145. on March 4, 2009 at 9:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I got rid of the illusion that I could have my cake and it eat too. Marrying a traditional woman then bringing her back I don’t see as working. I am going to move there which is actually close to Australia. When I say my wife I mean we are together till death do us part and then of course after that. Not on paper though. I’ll go where they do have family values. Why would I take her to a place with almost none. I like the fact that she has 100’s of relatives within close proximity. I also like that her dad is buried in her sisters backyard. Cool stuff to me. I think basically like us was a while back. Why I think it is funny all of these woman who talk about how progressive they are and how they have brains but they can’t compete with a third world woman with very little formal education on taking care of their man,taking care of a household, taking care of kids, and running multiple businesses all at the same time.

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  146. on March 4, 2009 at 9:26 pm Max from Australia

    Gunslingergregi
    Bet after all the years he pays her money she won’t have shit to show.

    Of course they wont and here’s why

    Years 0-33: Told they are better than men in every way, treated better than men by schools, churches, courts , and every institution and person in society. enjoy wielding enourmous disproportionate economic, 5exual and social power. Given complete license to get away with everything …men are crap, scum etc etc.

    Years 34-60: Bad boy doesn’t call her back one night, so she “settles” for Joe-workaday-Schmuck has 2 kids keeps him is a 5exual prision for 10 years and then leaves….Sits back and enjoys free money and house.

    Years 60+: Reality Check – Youngest kid cycles off child support, suddenly have to fend for themselves for the first time in their lives. No one around to help out… MASSIVE GOVERNMENT BAILOUT ensues.

    The problem is that (from an actuarial standpoint) poor women never seem to die, especially the ones getting welfare and especially the fat ones..

    . Fat guys at least have the decency to check out at 55 quickly with a heart attack.

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  147. on March 4, 2009 at 9:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea it is wild in Asia you see what us could of looked like without birth control or abortion ie a cool place. You don’t need much money with a bunch of kids running around playing to watch for entertainment. Plus the sheer numbers are where the economic power will come from. like out baby boomer generation. Hopefully they do not do the same crap and decide to fuck up the old world. Why I feel like if I could introduce something like hydroponics they could all still have the same plots of land they would just be rich and maybe keep some of their culture with people still being allowed to be “lazy” and not everyone has to work like a slave all the time. Who knows. Create utopia maybe.

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  148. on March 4, 2009 at 9:30 pm xsplat

    In Australia Children = Handcuffs.

    In Indonesia children=airplane ticket to the Philippines.

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  149. on March 4, 2009 at 9:32 pm Max from Australia

    My post above also explains the “cougar” phenomena.

    For a 40 something year old cougar getting pregnant* to a healthy 25 year old with many income earning years ahead of himself is a prime strategy.

    He might be working in a mail room now but when hes in his prime earning years he’ll be paying the big bucks (when she really needs it)

    *an hence enjoying 18 years of Child support

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  150. on March 4, 2009 at 9:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is what I said before woman are the ones that are a drain on health care for most of there lives. Men rarely use it until catastrophic things happen or are old. But by the time men are old they have already paid tons of money into health care so they don’t deplete the system.

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  151. on March 4, 2009 at 9:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    What are you talking about xsplat?

    In indo you get business license for 3k stay as long as you want 🙂

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  152. on March 4, 2009 at 9:36 pm dougjnn

    Kthulah

    Doug, do you think that if women didn’t get the vote, men wouldn’t have to pay alimony or child support?

    In that kind of country, you’d basically be forced to fully support a woman for the rest of her life, and her family might rather her be a widow than a divorcee.

    Anytime you’re unclear about that, ask a Christian who isn’t from a western country. Things can get real ugly real fast when women aren’t allowed to be independent. It creates an artificial hierarchy that requires violence to maintain.

    As for your first question, “do you think that if women didn’t get the vote, men wouldn’t have to pay alimony or child support?”, my answer is an unequivocal yes.

    As for the rest, and that, you’re assuming that men giving women the vote and scientific and technical modernity are inextricably co-dependent. That’s the feminist and leftist line. It’s wrong.

    To go right to the left’s constant “only other alternative”, fascism, it’s entirely clear that scientific and technical modernity could and did exist in fascist states, e.g. fanatically anti-semitic (which is not core to fascism) fascist Germany.

    So no I don’t think that one can’t have a state that’s highly patriarchal but that also allows or even expects that women work outside the home much of the time, and that expects that they be able to support themselves and their children alone in some circumstances.

    Now let me quickly tell you I’m not advocating fascism. At all. I just went to an extreme example that the left is always throwing up in other ways — to disprove your thesis that the only alternative to feminist oppressive leftist democracy is traditional or really your example was fundamentalist Christian anti any sex outside marriage full or quasi theocracy.

    Of course we could have liberal secular democracy with (generally, ideally) subordinate women. It would just have to be part of the ideology.

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  153. on March 4, 2009 at 9:36 pm xsplat

    Oh, wait, Kthula, here I was having another retardo misunderstanding moment. You weren’t calling Sara gay. Duh. But now I’m wondering. Maybe Sarah isn’t cranky at all. Maybe she’s just gay.

    Correct me if gives head. Just wondering. Cause I know some man haters are simply angry at not being turned on by men.

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  154. on March 4, 2009 at 9:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    How do you think all the chinese move there.

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  155. on March 4, 2009 at 9:45 pm xsplat

    Gunsligner, the joke is, if the woman gets pregnant, you run away. The fine fact of being on expat is that you can always go to a different country.

    Women often try to entrap. They can’t, if you are clear that you can afford a plane ticket.

    They will abort.

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  156. on March 4, 2009 at 9:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Naa man they have this thing called family where I go if a woman gets knocked up the extended family will help raise and enjoy the child even if the dude runs away or can’t afford to stay if he is an expat. They havn’t been bred to believe that kids are some awefull expensive thing that should become a punishment for a man. I plan on having lots of kids and not running at all.

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  157. on March 4, 2009 at 9:52 pm Ode to the married man

    @guns,
    That is what I said before woman are the ones that are a drain on health care for most of there lives. Men rarely use it until catastrophic things happen or are old. But by the time men are old they have already paid tons of money into health care so they don’t deplete the system.

    I’ve seen this data. Until age 45, women outspend men on health care. After age 45 the genders use it equally.
    So, yes, in general, the men subsidize the women.

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  158. on March 4, 2009 at 10:02 pm dougjnn

    Ode to the married man–

    So, yes, in general, the men subsidize the women.

    Are you kidding? They do now, and always have, done so overall everywhere.

    It’s just that before now the women were required to return value. Now they aren’t. Now they can if they want, or they can extract unreciprocated payments from husbands etc. they left if they don’t.

    This must end, in this era when women have equal or really more than equal (AA anyone) work opportunities if they want to be equally long hour diligent, which they on average don’t.

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  159. on March 4, 2009 at 10:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ode if that was the case and woman live many more years then men how would it be possibly equal after 45?

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  160. on March 4, 2009 at 10:04 pm Max from Australia

    Ode to the married man
    So, yes, in general, the men subsidize the women.

    So true in so many ways….. Just look at the current lifestyles of Brad Pitt vs George Clooney

    Brad Pitt has been totally “pwned” by marriage, he should be the happiest dude in the world, loaded and with great looks. But look at a recent photo the spark in his eyes has died. In his head the mantra is “get me out of here…get me out of here ”

    He’s been Cuckolded into looking after 4 kids who arnt his, and handcuffed in by 2 kids who are……His own kids allegedly get beaten up by the bigger kids in the “tribe”

    And his wife just keeps getting nuttier and he looks just as beaten down as any married schmuck.

    George Clooney on the other is “wife free” and completely owns his own life

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  161. on March 4, 2009 at 10:22 pm Rum

    Regarding health care and women. The biggest issue is women taking a spot in Medical training and then working about half as much as the average male MD. Did they really mean it when they said they wanted to be a Dr? What does this say about the idea that they were cruelly denied such opportunities in the past considering how much harder it was to combine work and family for a woman before the days of hyper-convenient consumerism?
    What does this say about the level of female lust for a career considering that MDs can at least pay for all the day care, housekeepers, etc. that might be needed to keep themselves in the grind?

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  162. on March 4, 2009 at 10:33 pm dougjnn

    Ode to the married man —

    I said above:

    Are you kidding? They do now[women get economic support from men], and always have, done so overall everywhere.

    Well not everywhere. Not in sub Saharan Africa now or historically. Maybe not in aboriginal Australia. But in Europe and Asia, yes, everywhere historically.

    In sub Saharan Africa women traditionally did all of the slash and burn/horitcultural agriculture, or virtually all. Men might participate in the fun, non drudgery, burn thing. They also supposedly and sometimes did go off and hunt for meat. But it often wasn’t big in the diet and she often didn’t get that from her cocksman. Who got her favor by sometimes fighting skirmishes, but mostly displaying, peacock like.

    Yeah, that’s true — but not quite as usually presented.

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  163. on March 4, 2009 at 10:43 pm xsplat

    gun

    Naa man they have this thing called family

    Ya, that’s true. I’ve been offered many a womb for my seed, but the thought of leaving a kid in a bumfuck village with some grandma never appealed to me.

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  164. on March 4, 2009 at 10:56 pm Suburban Sweetheart

    Conversely, if I give a very good-looking guy a great blowjob and then insinuate that I expect him to return the favor & he says, “I don’t really know how to, but you can teach me,” I don’t care if he’s Brad Pitt or a Ken Doll or Jesus Christ Himself – you can bet that I am NOT sticking around to Spielberg it with him.

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  165. on March 4, 2009 at 11:03 pm Grand Inquisitor

    I think pussy licking is ruse created by feminists who want reciprocity in sex. Nearly every girl I’ve ever been with has said they really don’t enjoy it and would rather something penetrative, be it finger, fist or cock.

    Our feminized culture has just instilled the belief that women enjoy being licked because we aren’t comfortable with the idea that guys get off more ways than girls and never ‘service’ a girl or do anything that is just for her pleasure.

    Does anyone actually know any feminine, patriarchy-loving girls that like being licked? I sure don’t…

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  166. on March 4, 2009 at 11:06 pm Gina

    Your woman here is clearly bisexual. Lesbians don’t sleep with men.

    Furthermore, a high quality woman won’t sleep with a man for quite a while.

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  167. on March 4, 2009 at 11:08 pm xsplat

    Furthermore, a high quality woman won’t sleep with a man for quite a while.

    Yes, and unicorns wait until after marriage before copulating.

    Ain’t no such thing as a girl that doesn’t fuck on the first date. Aint no such thing.

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  168. on March 4, 2009 at 11:17 pm Comment_Child_Support

    Kthulah wrote:

    Doug, do you think that if women didn’t get the vote, men wouldn’t have to pay alimony or child support?

    In that kind of country, you’d basically be forced to fully support a woman for the rest of her life, and her family might rather her be a widow than a divorcee.

    Anytime you’re unclear about that, ask a Christian who isn’t from a western country. Things can get real ugly real fast when women aren’t allowed to be independent. It creates an artificial hierarchy that requires violence to maintain.

    dougjnn wrote:

    As for your first question, “do you think that if women didn’t get the vote, men wouldn’t have to pay alimony or child support?”, my answer is an unequivocal yes.

    The sitatuation is far more extreme than that. Prior to this last century, men got the children in the event of a very rare divorce, therefore it would have been impossible for the woman to recieve child-support.

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  169. on March 4, 2009 at 11:18 pm xsplat

    Next thing you are going to tell us Gina, is that there are virgins in this world who are protecting their virtue.

    Ok, there might be one or two. But who cares?

    There is nothing more irritating than a virgin, protecting her virtue.

    And a woman who holds out? I’ve never met one. Or if I did, I didn’t wait around to find out.

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  170. on March 4, 2009 at 11:24 pm Chuck

    “I don’t care if he’s Brad Pitt or a Ken Doll or Jesus Christ Himself – you can bet that I am NOT sticking around to Spielberg it with him.”

    The best way to learn how to go down on a woman: pr0n.

    This isn’t so much true for sexual intercourse, but watching how pr0nstars munch the carpet is the best teacher. I’ve *heard* that it’s nearly impossible for a woman to teach a man how to do it well. He is either a natural or learns through hours of practice.

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  171. on March 4, 2009 at 11:25 pm Gina

    The end of this post really makes me mad. I do really only want to have sex with one man my entire life. That’s why I want to wait. But I’m going to have to say good-bye to a lot of Roissy’s in order for that to happen (ex: I’ll be dropped pretty early on by most guys, I anticipate). So its about me and only wanting to be with HIM. In terms of the theory brought up that women aren’t that into receiving, I agree, unless its done with the same amour as the other. Which is why regardless of timing and choreography, married sex is the best sex if you’re in love (and no, I don’t think its the same thing as being in an uncommitted relationship). Its about getting hot rather than attoning. I don’t want to be with a lot of men. I just want to live my life and hope that very soon I’ll get to be with that one man who’s as witty, handsome, skillful, amazing, as I imagine he is, and as in love with me as I am with him. If I’m being pollyannish, I’m willing to take the chance that I’ll be totally alone forever.

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  172. on March 4, 2009 at 11:27 pm xsplat

    Chuck, I’m not a spelling stickler, but don’t you mean porn?

    L33t speak?

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  173. on March 4, 2009 at 11:32 pm xsplat

    Gina

    The end of this post really makes me mad.

    Who cares.

    Blah blah blah didity blah.

    You are young and stupid. Who cares what you feel. You don’t know anything about nothing.

    And you don’t put out.

    So, who cares?

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  174. on March 4, 2009 at 11:38 pm xsplat

    Jessus ball cupping Christ, you’ve probably still got pictures of ponies on your wall, Gina. And you probably still pray before bedtime.

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  175. on March 4, 2009 at 11:50 pm Gina

    LoL! I’ve actually been in a couple of two year relationships. Its just really not for me. I need to be in love and committed to one man. And I will wait for that one man that I can commit to, and one of those reasons is because we’re insanely hot for one another. I know that men need sex and I don’t object to men getting as much as safely and as often as possible. But I don’t agree that women who want to wait are making up for a shady past. If I can’t be with the man I want, then I rather be without it completely.

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  176. on March 4, 2009 at 11:57 pm lehuster

    Anytime you’re unclear about that, ask a Christian who isn’t from a western country. Things can get real ugly real fast when women aren’t allowed to be independent. It creates an artificial hierarchy that requires violence to maintain.

    When women are allowed to be “independent”, that too is an artificial hierarchy that requires violence to maintain. That is the system we live in now, as Roissy indicates in this post. There is no other way to describe the current divorce laws but an artificial hierarchy (women on top, men on bottom), and if you think violence does not underwrite this system, you’re crazy:

    The divorce system tends to award wives custody of the children, substantial child support, the marital home, half the couple’s assets, and, often, heavy alimony payments.

    This may come as startling news to a public that has been led to believe that women are the ones who suffer financially postdivorce, not men. But the data show otherwise, according to an exhaustive study of the subject by Sanford L. Braver, a professor of psychology at Arizona State University and author of Divorced Dads: Shattering the Myths.

    […] social scientists ignored men’s expenses — the tab for replacing everything from the bed to the TV to the house — as well as the routine costs of helping to raise the children, beyond child support. Even the tax code favors women: Not only is child support not tax deductible for fathers, but a custodial mother can take a $1,000 per child tax credit; the father cannot, even if he’s paying. As “head of the household,” the mother gets a lower tax rate and can claim the children as exemptions. If the ex-wife remarries, she is still entitled to child support, even if she marries a billionaire. Indeed, every year men are actually thrown in jail for failing to meet their child-support obligations. In the state of Michigan alone, nearly 3,000 men were locked up for that offense in 2005.

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  177. on March 5, 2009 at 12:05 am Rum

    Gina
    Go for it, darling. What you say you want has happened at least a few times in the history of the world and it can work out great. Since I have this strange tendency to respect crazy idealism I cannot just smirk at your opinion.
    But let me suggest that you stay braced for disappointment in regard to your plan A and be good humored about maybe having to move onto Plan B, or C, etc.
    One problem is that attractive, witty, smart young people who have not been active with hetero sex are likely gay underneath and are perfectly willing to lead someone into a faux marriage of convenience. How would you like to wait until marriage and then find out you were going to have to wait for the rest of your life?

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  178. on March 5, 2009 at 12:17 am Gina

    Thank you, Rum. I really don’t mind if my husband has had lots of sex, even been promiscuous. I definitely don’t want to marry a homosexual. I would never expect or hope that my husband was virgin either. I actually like the idea of him being experienced and a good lover, and then he can use all his skills on me!

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  179. on March 5, 2009 at 12:29 am xsplat

    Virgins are as irritating as internet trolls. Deliberately wrong.

    I despise them. Especially when they flirt.

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  180. on March 5, 2009 at 12:43 am Expat

    Hydroponics can go hand in hand with producing talapia

    There is an over supply of talapia in Indonesia right now, as the lakes are regarded as communal property, and are full of fish farms.

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  181. on March 5, 2009 at 1:00 am spandrell

    it’s true that women don’t like guys going down as much as we like a blowjob…

    but that they don’t enjoy it? Hell, any guy who’s not able to make his girl cum with his tongue should go back to school.

    They don’t ALWAYS want it though. Depends on the mood I guess. I sometimes prefer fucking hard than getting a blowjob, anyway.

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  182. on March 5, 2009 at 1:16 am Gina

    X, I’m not a virgin. I know, who cares. Just saying.

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  183. on March 5, 2009 at 1:45 am Expat

    Even more than virgins, I despise women who date without putting out.

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  184. on March 5, 2009 at 2:12 am Gunslingergregi

    xsplat

    “Ya, that’s true. I’ve been offered many a womb for my seed, but the thought of leaving a kid in a bumfuck village with some grandma never appealed to me.”

    Yet I sense bitterness in your last few posts. Have you ever been out of the city. Where there are no tourists. Walking through a rice field with my woman gives me a better feeling than staying in a fancy hotel. Free somehow, uplifted, like maybe there is meaning to life. The kids will be raised around other kids with lots of relatives in the area. Could not offer a family environment like that anywhere else for them as far as I can see and if I need a nice juicy steak well I got the big freezer and I plan on getting a cow a year for 600 bucks. Kids can grow up and understand doing something usefull to the planet like farming, hydroponics. They will more than likely be intelligent yet hopefully not work the cubicle that everyone seems to find so lifesucking. Or they might just decide to chill out hang with friends. I have no problem with that either.

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  185. on March 5, 2009 at 2:43 am Expat

    Gunslinger.

    One word. Education.

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  186. on March 5, 2009 at 3:26 am Expat

    yet I sense bitterness in your last few posts

    Yet I sense your are gay. What the hell kind of comment is that? Sense bitterness.

    I sense you like to smell improper smells.

    Sense bitterness.

    I sense you need therapy.

    Sense bitterness.

    I sense you have no balls.

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  187. on March 5, 2009 at 4:07 am Chuck

    haha so xsplat and expat are the same guy? or one’s stealing the other’s handle?

    anyone know?

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  188. on March 5, 2009 at 4:39 am Tood

    Society has changed in a very short time.

    The combo of no fault + alimony is murder. Either one by itself is not too bad (i.e. alimony requiring a substantial burden of proof). But the combination is deadly.

    As it stands today, a woman can leave a man with no financial risk, while the man cannot do the same.

    That is why you will see a large number of male websites (whether Game oriented or not) advising men NOT TO MARRY. There are even Beta websites with no concept of Game that calculate that hiring a hooker twice a month is cheaper than marriage.

    At the same time, NOWHERE will you see women advising other women that marriage is a bad deal for them. You will see websites that advise women how to save their marriages, how to keep their man happy, etc. That is good, and more women should evangelize that. But NOWHERE will there be advice to women that marriage is a bad deal. Scott Peterson is a 1 in a million case, and is itself nullified by Phil Hartman.

    So marriage, as it stands today, is a very risky prospect for men. That many men still marry shows how strong the tradition still is, and how much work it took to corrupt such a venerable, and universal institution.

    Women in America today are out of control. While divorce laws changed in the 1970s, the cultural impact was not immediate. Even as recently as the early 1990s, a man could marry with a reasonable expectation that he would have a good marriage if he was a good husband.

    But not anymore. Women’s morality has devolved as the cumulative years of a rigged legal system has piled up.

    But the tipping point is near. I wrote a detailed piece on the last thread on how while men are competing against an ever-adapting legal system and anti-male media, women are competing against technology, and are about to cede major ground due to technological advances around the corner.

    So women’s power is currently peaking.

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  189. on March 5, 2009 at 4:49 am RF Interference

    “I’m not sure about the experience of most guys here, but mine is that there are quite a few girls who are sexually repressed only when *receiving* oral. They are irrationally nervous that their vagina smells or that it tastes funny. These type of women are more than willing to go straight to intercourse instead of asking you to go downtown.”

    I’ll second that. I don’t mind reciprocating, and was with a girl that was paranoid about me going down on her.

    What I hate, is when a woman will give you a blowjob, but will only service the head. No shaft action at all. Infuriating.

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  190. on March 5, 2009 at 6:40 am tokyojesusfist

    xsplat

    Ain’t no such thing as a girl that doesn’t fuck on the first date. Aint no such thing.

    This is impossible. There are billions of women on the planet from hundreds of different cultures, environments and backgrounds, and I guarantee you that many of them will refuse to have sex on the first date.

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  191. on March 5, 2009 at 7:18 am Lupo

    I have never met a woman who doesn’t suck dick, but as I get older, I meet more and more (always American) women who are defacto lesbians. They think I’m going to let her lie there like a dead fish and service her stink hole with my tongue all day. Fuck that; if you’re a dyke, I’m not a hairy lesbian with a penis, so move along.

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  192. on March 5, 2009 at 7:25 am z.g.

    She really doesn’t like giving blowjobs. If you’re like most men and you love getting head, there’s no point sticking it out with a girl like this, no matter how well she cooks. But don’t worry, this kind is rare. It’s been my experience that any girl who is very attracted to you will love sucking your cock. Most girls won’t need to be asked, or have their head pushed into position.

    2 and 4 fit my ex, but this is the first one I will write about.

    she mentioned she did not like giving head, she liked feeling me instead, and there was nothing it in for her (effing red flag, me being blind)… So in two years I got four five times head, but went down on her almost every second time we had sex… I like going down on a clean woman, and yes, I was stupid.

    So, during the relationship, almost no head.

    Then we break up, and after a year or so we start fucking again. Like a fuckbuddy.

    one night, cuddling and petting, she goes down on me by herself, and I get to learn that the woman I loved, the woman who did not like giving head, the woman I begged for a head when I was committed, actually liked giving head when I was not committing, and just fucking.

    That was one of the best heads I got, and that was something I was kept deprived of when I was committed.

    That was another window to the screwed up mentality of women, another proof that I am right in not giving a flying eff about what they say and think.

    Oh, the same woman who showed me what punishment I got for committing, and reward for not committing, later cried in front of me because I would not agree to monogamy with her….

    Go effing figure.

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  193. on March 5, 2009 at 7:33 am z.g.

    What drives a man nuttier than knowing he’s being deviously denied that which so many other men have boffed freely?

    AMEN!

    And the bigger slut she’s been in her previous life, the harder she will attempt to atone for it by crushing your spirit.

    Committed man will be paying to prove her she is not just a body he can fuck… Because that is what she was in the past, strong and independent.

    You will walk, never looking back, your dignity flush with victory and your sack spared her wicked games.

    Took me three years.

    Life is good. Head held high. Dick serviced regularly by younger, more nubile, and less demanding women.

    She can practice keeping her legs shut on another sucker.

    Once you know what the next guy is getting, there will not be any hint of jealousy on your side.

    Maybe regret of not having walked sooner. Can be cured easily by a young and nubile body.

    You’re not her sacrificial slut redeemer.

    She has sacrificed herself on the free sex market, there is no reason for you to pay anything for a sacrificed lamb.

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  194. on March 5, 2009 at 7:54 am Sara I

    Max from Australia

    My prescription for you is to sell everything you own, pay off all your debts, (or change your name and abscond from them) move to a warm part of America and get very friendly very quickly with a Farmer or if you like the seaside a fisherman.

    (if I were a girl personally i’d go for the fisherman).

    And then YOU “emotionally connect” with him! – Learn to drive the trawler and haul in the nets, support him and he’ll support you!

    You’re serious? You had me going till I read the part about the trawler and nets. I get seasick very easily otherwise I surely would….NOT. LOL Your advice does appeal to me on one level; men who work in nature are more natural in general. A natural man would find roissy’s clever, calculating lifestyle laughable.

    Where have all the cowboys gone?

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  195. on March 5, 2009 at 7:58 am z.g.

    Sara I

    I was just about to shout “fuck you”…

    Women complain why I will not commit.

    The reason women stop giving blow jobs or sex to their husbands in MY experience is that we no longer feel emotionally connected.

    Wow… but connected to his wallet, to his listening to your brainless ramblings about your day, your nieces’ friends etc you are….

    Connected to his romancing you every day, you are.

    Connected to his backrubs and hugs you are..

    But you are not emotionally connected enough to give some of that head to you husband, the head god knows how many men you had no connection whatsoever got when your lips were still fresh and perky.

    If a women has sex out of a sense of duty or obligation (as in living up to a contract) it’s a very ugly thing and many women simply cannot bring themselves to do it.

    Then effing stop pushing for commitment, if it makes sex a duty….

    So if a man wants to emotionally reconnect with his wife he needs to do something to make her feel good outside the bedroom, and not as a ploy to get sex or she’ll know it.

    The man who commits, pays for sex.

    She doesn’t want to feel USED as an object whether you think that’s good or bad is completely irrelevant to the reality. Why would you want a women who is cheap? Especially why would you want a cheap WIFE?

    Is there anything more expensive in life?

    Which gets even more expensive and less rewarding over time?

    Which was free before husband arrived?

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  196. on March 5, 2009 at 9:47 am Rum

    Sara 1
    When you explain why being sexual towards a guy who has already made a full commitment to you is just so painful unless he jumps thru hoops on a daily basis – you do the anti-marriage movement a great service.
    You say that women want to feel some “emotional connection” before putting out. That must explain why nice, eager to please guys get all the sex while uncommunicative sports stars get passed over by hot young women.
    You are so full of shit.

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  197. on March 5, 2009 at 10:15 am Kthulah

    Doug and Lehuster, I’m not sure if you two are aware of it or not, but women getting the vote went hand in hand with female literacy and other things I’m sure you two have benefitted from directly. That feminists hijacked and took all the credit for the female end of human rights is a terrible lie.

    Voting should be the right of citizens or the right of land owners. Either way, gender should not be relevant in that.

    If there was going to be a push for only land owners voting, I wouldn’t be happy about it but it would make sense…but since women don’t have a monopoly on being morons or sheeple, gender discrimination in that would not make the world a better place. It might look nice on paper, but in practical application, it would look like Jordan…a relatively modern country in some ways, but women are extremely dependent, and middle class guys have very little chance of getting a wife who would even piss on him if he was on fire.

    Where women are dependent, even if it’s not totally facist, they marry for money only, and if you don’t have enough, you’re out of luck.

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  198. on March 5, 2009 at 11:10 am lurker

    Tokyo, the only time women refuse to have sex on the first date is when their date is an Ass Clown like you.

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  199. on March 5, 2009 at 11:53 am tokyojesusfist

    lurker is deeply upset because he lost a debate.

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  200. on March 5, 2009 at 12:03 pm Benedict Smith

    it is ALWAYS the girls who hate giving head that fish for receiving some oral like there is no tomorrow. always the greedy that don’t want to give as it were.

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  201. on March 5, 2009 at 12:08 pm lurker

    lmao rofl. Ass Clown.

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  202. on March 5, 2009 at 12:11 pm tokyojesusfist

    Shit, I think he’s going to start crying.

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  203. on March 5, 2009 at 12:21 pm lurker

    lol Tokyo. Only from laughing at you so much, ass clown.

    Please, enlighten us more with your coutnerfactual, loony ideas. 😉

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  204. on March 5, 2009 at 12:21 pm dougjnn

    All —

    I take back what I said earlier. Ban tokyojesusfist.

    The troll.

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  205. on March 5, 2009 at 12:27 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    lol Tokyo. Only from laughing at you so much, ass clown.

    Nobody is going to judge you for crying. You gotta be in touch with your feminine side.

    Please, enlighten us more with your coutnerfactual, loony ideas.

    I wish I could, but I haven’t yet posted any loony, counter-factual ideas.

    dougjnn

    All –

    I take back what I said earlier. Ban tokyojesusfist.

    The troll.

    This, on the other hand, is a counter-factual claim. Anyone looking at the comments will clearly see that lurker initiated this flamewar with a completely unprovoked attack.

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  206. on March 5, 2009 at 12:32 pm lurker

    Tokyo, from his bedroom:

    “You gotta be in touch with your feminine side.”

    — The only feminine side you’ve ever touched is when your mom leaves her panties drawer open.

    lmao. “I wish I could, but I haven’t yet posted any loony, counter-factual ideas.”

    –except to say that Islam could not build great societies, or that all Islamic success is due to Chrisitan/Jewish converts and stealing their ideas.

    but hey, loars gotta lie….

    “lurker initiated this flamewar with a completely unprovoked attack.”

    –disabusing a moron of his moronic, counterfactual ideas=flame war. Yes, bitch boy, you got it right.

    it’s fun spanking this ass clown.

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  207. on March 5, 2009 at 2:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    xsplat
    You talk about them wanting to entrap you and having them get abortions. Well the reason they wanted to get pregnant by you is because they wanted your baby not to make you pay child support but probably because they maybe loved your tortured soul. How is it entrapment if there is nothing you would have to do you didn’t want to do after. They didn’t need you to raise the kid just to have it. So you Sir are an idiot. You can give a person heaven on earth but yet everywhere you go there you are.
    Just fuck your whole life and thats it and encouraging others to kill the kids that come of it.
    Why don’t you just kill yourself and do the future woman you would have met a favor.

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  208. on March 5, 2009 at 3:01 pm omw

    Well, men getting stuck with the dirty business of actually raising the kids all alone provided some incentives for them to behave, too; a wife is cheaper than a nanny and a housekeeper, even if you’re not magnetic enough to get any of them to have sex with you voluntarily. LOL.

    I think that men should get the kids, and the women should get nothing.

    Douggie wants Mama to deal with the dirty business and expenses of raising his children, while he sits on his throne and decides whether his subjects have behaved well enough to deserve his financial support this week.

    But life has never worked that way.

    The good ol’ days weren’t times of princely privilege for (most) men. No mistresses and cigars for most of them.

    But that was a different time, a different world, a whole way of life that’s all but vanished away now. Le sigh.

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  209. on March 5, 2009 at 5:19 pm Sara I

    gunslinger

    sara already got financial security from her former husband for 5 years and didn’t do anything with it.

    It was 3.5 but I get your point. I thought you already heard the explanation of my divorce. Guess it wasn’t good enough for you and you want to paint me with the same bitter brush you seem to paint all women with as you generalize your way through life. Whatever floats your boat.

    and then the whole time he has to give you checks talking about how friendly you two still are lol so he can make sure you don’t go crazy on him and not let him see his kid and how “bad” he was in the marriage and how many phsychological “faults” he had that justified you leaving and being able to take his handout. Did the handout work? Are you self sufficient?

    No it did not. Remember the mercury poisoning? The other stuff you probably don’t believe in? We both had psychological faults. Such is life. By the way, how is yours going? If he had stopped being a workaholic and an alcoholic we might still be together. The red flag was there BEFORE I married him. The little voice was there that I ignored. I’ll bet you’ve never ignored your instincts? Hmmmmm? Mr. Perfect!! LOL

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  210. on March 5, 2009 at 5:21 pm Sara I

    Rum

    You say that women want to feel some “emotional connection” before putting out. That must explain why nice, eager to please guys get all the sex while uncommunicative sports stars get passed over by hot young women.
    You are so full of shit.

    Me being full of shit is a given, but we were discussing sex within marriage. Not pump and dumps.

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  211. on March 5, 2009 at 5:25 pm Sara I

    Roissy, you’ll just love this vid from Osho on marriage and children. He was the ultimate player.

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  212. on March 5, 2009 at 5:26 pm Sara I

    whoops….

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  213. on March 5, 2009 at 5:35 pm tokyojesusfist

    lurker

    The only feminine side you’ve ever touched is when your mom leaves her panties drawer open.

    I was referring to you. Maybe you should get in touch with your intellectual side too.

    except to say that Islam could not build great societies

    It can’t.

    or that all Islamic success is due to Chrisitan/Jewish converts and stealing their ideas.

    I’ve never said this.

    it’s fun spanking this ass clown.

    I would appreciate it if you could leave me out of your abnormal sexual fantasies.

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  214. on March 5, 2009 at 5:41 pm xsplat

    I’m just not a family man, Gunslinger.

    My brother seems to be. My father is. I’m not. You can’t make a person feel something he doesn’t feel.

    I don’t want kids. I’ve had a kid. I know what it’s like. I don’t want to do that again.

    I deeply dislike the lifestyle of having kids. That’s why I see kids as an entrapment. They are a huge responsibility, and can be quite trying.

    Yes, I just want to fuck around, until I die. If you have a better plan for your life, good on you.

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  215. on March 5, 2009 at 5:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think its cool if you want to fuck around till you die just tell the woman so before you impregnate them and have them kill a child. So they don’t get mindfucked by it. Should still be able to have some shred of a moral fiber in your body.

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  216. on March 5, 2009 at 5:52 pm xsplat

    For me being married was living hell. Living hell, I tell you. The very idea of kids makes shudder.

    Kids are fine for visiting. They aren’t so great to raise.

    I have considered the idea of having ten houses and ten wives and many kids. I’ve considered being the ultimate patriarch. That’s legal and socially viable here. Many women would agree, as long as my other wives were in other cities.

    Maybe once I’m 80 and ready to settle down.

    But even then I’ll probably still just live with my mistresses.

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  217. on March 5, 2009 at 5:59 pm xsplat

    Absolutely, Gunslinger. Of course I tell women that I will never marry, and that I dont’ want kids. That kind of thing tends to come up in conversation.

    I’m not detracting from the young women’s lives. So they give up a year or two. When you are 21, you can afford to waste away a year.

    So then I find another young pretty, who has a year or two to spare.

    And then another. It’s not like they are losing out in the bargain.

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  218. on March 5, 2009 at 6:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Sarah do I paint all woman with that brush no. But from the stories I hear and firsthand experience of american woman very few are bringing anything to the table. That is why they need courts to make husband to pay because the woman in the states are not contributing anything to the marriage other than some ass. Like I said my woman in Indo is already self sufficient at this time and does not need me to give her a thing anymore. What part of that don’t you get. In the us where if a woman would halfway get off her ass she and the husband should be very successful. All these divorced guys have to be forced to pay for disgusting pieces of shit that didn’t contribute to the marriage success (the marriage was a failure hence the divorce) with the woman the whole time blaming the man for her problems. While my woman has been able to actually teach me things about how to achieve my dream and not just helping me achieve it. So I have recieved a great gift that cannot ever be taken away from a foreign uneducated woman while a ton of these “educated” american woman can’t find there way out of a paper bag without being given free money to live on because they can’t figure out anything else to do. They could be given swaths of cash and couldn’t do a thing with it other than make it dissapear to come back a few years later to ask for more.

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  219. on March 5, 2009 at 6:27 pm Glengarry Glenpoon

    Yeah, that girl hadn’t realized she was a lesbian yet. I’d try for actually adding another girl — maybe she’s just mostly lesbian, she gets enthused with some mixed action, likes an enabler boyfriend, and bam you’ve got yourself a fearsome threesome terminator.

    Or if not, at least she should go for it once.

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  220. on March 5, 2009 at 7:38 pm Bhetti B

    Alpha creates traditional women. Alphas lead, alphas have power, alphas decide what goes and what doesn’t. Feminists are created by sub-par men. Example: my mother is the biggest feminist ideal; she’s a businesswomen in men’s businesses (was running things like heavy machinery, in the Middle East) who’s a self-proclaimed man dressed in pretty clothes. She was the perfect wife, despite doing years of vet school, she married as soon as she graduated and stayed at home, being a wife, sewing to occupy her and maybe make some money that traditional female way then raise her children. She stayed for a couple of years. Her husband was NOT the traditional man he was expected to be, so she just eventually left and became the biggest example of a feminist you could see, running her own vet practice within three months of starting out in a man’s world country.

    If you are alpha, you are in control. That’s final.

    While you guys seem very tuned in to the processes of girls who live on a more primitive level, there seem to be a few issues about the understanding of the more traditional girl and the contradictions between different forces influencing her.

    For what it’s worth: Thanks for trying to look after me, Kthulah.

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  221. on March 5, 2009 at 7:56 pm lehuster

    Doug and Lehuster, I’m not sure if you two are aware of it or not, but women getting the vote went hand in hand with female literacy and other things I’m sure you two have benefitted from directly.

    That doesn’t address the point I was making. You argued that female dependence imposed great costs on women. I contend that female independence has imposed great costs on all men and on most women (at least the way we have structured it in this country for the past few decades).

    It might look nice on paper, but in practical application, it would look like Jordan…a relatively modern country in some ways, but women are extremely dependent, and middle class guys have very little chance of getting a wife who would even piss on him if he was on fire.

    Is the problem really poverty, or is it Islam? Women are going to gravitate to rich guys and leave the poor guys out in the cold in countries that permit polygamy. In the case of Jordan, this is legal polygamy permitted under Islam (presumably anyway). In poor countries in the Western world, for centuries monogamy was the rule and thus even the poor guys could get a wife, because the rich guys could only have one each. This is changing now, of course, because no-fault divorce permits legal serial polygamy in which rich guys can get married multiple times, and poor guys are more likely to get nothing.

    Where women are dependent, even if it’s not totally facist, they marry for money only, and if you don’t have enough, you’re out of luck.

    If women are independent but monogamy is strongly enforced then the poor men will not be out of luck, regardless of how rich or poor the country is, because the rich guys will only be allowed to have one wife per lifetime, and can’t have a succession of wives thus denying women to the poor guys.

    In the USA from 1776 to (say) 1912, women were dependent but poor guys still had potential wives available. Why? Monogamy was the rule. Even J.D. Rockefeller could only have one wife, though he could have afforded hundreds.

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  222. on March 5, 2009 at 8:04 pm Sara I

    Gunslinger

    Sarah do I paint all woman with that brush no. But from the stories I hear and firsthand experience of american woman very few are bringing anything to the table.

    I had a little conversation/argument with my ex before we divorced and it made me realize how little value he put on my contribution to our marriage. I was a career woman making good money and I quit my job to stay home to raise our daughter. Up until then I worked and contributed to the money we used as down payment on the house.

    If you think for one minute that raising a kid is easier than any JOB in the world you’re seriously mistaken. Not only de we carry the child for nine months, go through the birthing process, and then the real work begins that is 24/7 for at least 18 years if not longer. Three months of sleepless nights, isolation from adult contact, no family support, changing a zillion diapers, cleaning up the messes, cooking, laundry, doctor appointments. getting them ready for school and every conceivable thing…

    Yes, it’s a labor of love, but it is labor. So we had this little argument when he mentioned Rupert Murdock’s divorce from his wife of 24 years (I think) and how she was swindling him out of half the money. Well how much is 24 years worth? They had four children as I recall, he was probably a total workaholic. You cannot ever put a value on TIME, but here in the good ‘ol US of A we certainly do try! So I asked him how much her time was worth. 10 cents on the dollar? 20 cents? 50 cents? How much? Nothing? You’re getting the point?

    In some socialist European countries women get paid while staying home with their children. What do you think of that?

    By the way, congratulations on finding a good foreign woman. That’s awesome.

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  223. on March 5, 2009 at 8:12 pm Sara I

    xsplat

    I’m not detracting from the young women’s lives. So they give up a year or two. When you are 21, you can afford to waste away a year.

    So then I find another young pretty, who has a year or two to spare.

    And then another. It’s not like they are losing out in the bargain.

    This is a completely evil attitude, which puts you as the biggest loser of all. Young women have everything to lose. Their best procreative years, their trust, faith, and belief in love. Being used and discarded in such a calculated manner is bound to fuck them up but as long as you’re getting your “needs” met you don’t care. Everyone is an end unto themselves and not a means to an end. It’s a shame young women have to learn from ugly men such as yourself how not to get used and discarded…and hopefully before they get so fucked up, it doesn’t matter. You seem to come from the “never give a sucker an even break” school of philosophy. Carry on….I really don’t care and it’s none of my business. I just find it interesting that people like you actually exist.

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  224. on March 5, 2009 at 11:45 pm Expat

    Sara, your argument against serial monogamy boils down to “I disagree and the poster has poor character”

    It’s not as if I invented serial monogamy.

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  225. on March 5, 2009 at 11:56 pm Expat

    Their best procreative years, their trust, faith, and belief in love. Being used and discarded

    I’m straightforward from day one that I won’t marry or have kids. If the girl still dates me, I’m not wasting her procreative years. She is deciding not to procreate just then. As for trust and faith in love, I do nothing but strengthen it.

    It’s perfectly natural have romances and then break up. There is nothing cold about it. Romances can have a beginning, a middle, and and end. Not everyone is always into marriage and only permanent and forever marriage.

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  226. on March 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    “Sara
    Well how much is 24 years worth?”

    Nothing for most people who work for a company for 24 years and are laid off. Or if they are lucky maybe 20 weeks severance pay.

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  227. on March 6, 2009 at 1:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    It is what my uncle got when he was laid off at 49 as an engineer after working for the same company the whole time. So yea what society demands from men is not anywhere near what society gives them. Do you think raising kids is the same as going to work for 24 years. So we should prorate your marriage to 10 weeks severance pay.

    Why did you stop working when you put down money on the house. Did you see that you both could accidentaly get ahead of the game and god forbid that happen. Same thing I just saw Woman I worked with was making 120k or so husband 120k once he got a 250k job you will never guess what she did. Did she keep working so they could really get ahead of the game and maybe retire. No of course not. She quit to go home and let him keep going. She will be back home though able to spend money 18 hours a day 7 days a week.

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  228. on March 6, 2009 at 1:16 pm omw

    Military guys get a retirement check after 20 years’ service, Gunny.

    Private companies mostly went the way of 401Ks, in lieu of pensions, but the employers contribute to those funds, as I understand.

    Wonder if housewives should start withholding a portion of the household income against a possible layoff.

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  229. on March 6, 2009 at 1:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    OMW I think you just came up with the way to fix the problem that would be fair contribute 3 percent per year to your wifes retirement account.

    Oh and on military thing a wife gets half if she has been with man for 7 years so you can see the amazing inequity.

    Check this though why can’t woman be a teammate to a man to become independantly wealthy that is what boggles my mind. On the waste of it all.

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  230. on March 6, 2009 at 1:22 pm omw

    And some old-fashioned men don’t like their wives running around the corporate world. Disaster lies that way. The existence of the six-figure career woman is an artifact of feminism. Are you a feminist?

    And, God, raising kids (at least during the early years) is more exhausting than you would believe, Greg. I’d say that I think you ought to try it sometime, but I’d be lying. heh.

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  231. on March 6, 2009 at 1:25 pm omw

    What’s amazing about that inequity? A military wife lives an unstable existence that undermines whatever career she might have had otherwise, and military couples tend not to amass the real-estate interests that civilian couples traditionally did.

    What they DO amass is a significant contribution to the military, and the retirement check is the reward for that.

    And the military likes married men the best. Watch how much it rewards marriage!

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  232. on March 6, 2009 at 1:27 pm omw

    married women’s business is having and raising babies.

    The marriage model you’re pushing is the DINK model, and they’re basically the civilizational black hole that gave us your classic SWPL stereotype. Not exactly patriarchs, there.

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  233. on March 6, 2009 at 1:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    My woman in Indonesia is raising a kid right now and running the businesses.

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  234. on March 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    You don’t need to do time intensive things to manage others doing time intensive things when you have money. Help your family and your husband by helping save 2k a month for a year. Take that 24k and open a hair salon. Your new job is to hire people and promote salon and pick up money. You don’t have to work there though. Maybe you will pick up 3500 per month for minimal time invested. So one day you can help be there for your husband (when they lay him off) who has been being there for you. Or crazy idea but just maybe you can be making 7k per month and still living on 3500. Now take the 3500 and put it in bank to take advantage of other opportunities as they present themselves throughout your lives to make even more money so that one day you can tell your kids you can be whatever you want and you have showed them how to do so. Not just being able to teach them how to grind it out for life.

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  235. on March 6, 2009 at 1:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    “omw
    What’s amazing about that inequity? A military wife lives an unstable existence that undermines whatever career she might have had otherwise,”

    The mythical career that doesn’t exist. You don’t see it being enequal a guy can’t stop in the military and get a retirement check at 7 years or half of one. A woman married to a military guy for 7 years can get half his check after he works 20 in military. You don’t see a difference in maybe something equal there.

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  236. on March 6, 2009 at 2:12 pm Kthulah

    @Lehuster

    I said, “Doug and Lehuster, I’m not sure if you two are aware of it or not, but women getting the vote went hand in hand with female literacy and other things I’m sure you two have benefitted from directly.”

    Lehuster said, “That doesn’t address the point I was making. You argued that female dependence imposed great costs on women. I contend that female independence has imposed great costs on all men and on most women (at least the way we have structured it in this country for the past few decades).”

    Women actually being independent when they want or need to be doesn’t impose any costs on men that they aren’t willing to pay and/or that women don’t also pay.

    Every night you spend alone, some woman out there is spending alone too, and likely for very similar reasons. That arranged marriage isn’t the norm in the west costs western men and women the same, and it benefits them both the same. You don’t want to get saddled with someone terribly wrong for you, and neither do most women. At the same time, you could have gotten matched very well (which is normal in arranged marriage cultures), and so could she, which would have been good for both of you.

    When things go right, it doesn’t matter which way the right was done. When things go wrong though, everyone’s better off in a situation where neither is forced to endure a lifetime of torment.

    Me: “It might look nice on paper, but in practical application, it would look like Jordan…a relatively modern country in some ways, but women are extremely dependent, and middle class guys have very little chance of getting a wife who would even piss on him if he was on fire.”

    Lehuster: “Is the problem really poverty, or is it Islam?”

    In Jordan, it’s likely a little of both, but there are many Arab Christians who are in the same or worse situation since their population is much smaller. Here in Israel, things aren’t as forced, but there’s still the same problem among both Muslims and Christians…some religious Jews as well.

    Lehuster: “Women are going to gravitate to rich guys and leave the poor guys out in the cold in countries that permit polygamy. In the case of Jordan, this is legal polygamy permitted under Islam (presumably anyway). In poor countries in the Western world, for centuries monogamy was the rule and thus even the poor guys could get a wife, because the rich guys could only have one each. This is changing now, of course, because no-fault divorce permits legal serial polygamy in which rich guys can get married multiple times, and poor guys are more likely to get nothing.”

    Polygamy isn’t legal for Christians, and most in this region truly believe in monogamy. They’re convinced, for the most part, that Jesus will magically make them love whoever they’re married to, and if it doesn’t happen, they pretend that it does (around their family anyway).

    Women may be generally mercenary, but in the west at least many women have the *option* of marrying a poor man, especially if they’re also poor. People match up, usually, within their own socioeconomic class without murder level pressure to marry up, most of the time in the west. Outside, women marry who they’re told unless there’s some war or other disaster that renders her parents incapable of pressuring her.

    In Ethiopia, it’s so bad that guys kidnap women to get wives. In some cases it’s outright criminal kidnapping, but in vastly more cases, it’s a boyfriend consensually kidnapping his girlfriend because her parents would otherwise not allow them to marry.

    You really have no idea how bad it is. Men suck at being or playing the role of women as much as women suck at being the man. Men in partriarchal cultures allowed to run in extremes, consider their daughters ways into other men’s assets, and refuse to let them marry any way but up, economically. So it just creates women who are even more mercenary than they would normally be, because their dad and male relatives are their marital pimps…and they will enforce their role with violence.

    Me: “Where women are dependent, even if it’s not totally facist, they marry for money only, and if you don’t have enough, you’re out of luck.”

    Lehuster: “If women are independent but monogamy is strongly enforced then the poor men will not be out of luck, regardless of how rich or poor the country is, because the rich guys will only be allowed to have one wife per lifetime, and can’t have a succession of wives thus denying women to the poor guys.

    In the USA from 1776 to (say) 1912, women were dependent but poor guys still had potential wives available. Why? Monogamy was the rule. Even J.D. Rockefeller could only have one wife, though he could have afforded hundreds.”

    …and just how would monogamy be strictly enforced without violence?

    You can’t force a person to love someone or even only shag one person all their lives without violence. If you’re okay with that then fine…but I’m telling you that this would not get you a better wife. At most it would get you one who might be more cruel and calculated for your monetary benefit.

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  237. on March 6, 2009 at 2:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    Kthula
    “Women actually being independent when they want or need to be doesn’t impose any costs on men that they aren’t willing to pay and/or that women don’t also pay”

    That is the pretty lie though modern woman are not independant at all. They are very dependant on more things than than there supposed oppressed and dependant counterparts are.

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  238. on March 6, 2009 at 2:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    An independant woman can grow her own food plus the food for her family plus the food for her relatives (no need to worry about food shortage at grocery store or prices going up), wash her clothes by hand (no need to call someone to fix the broken washing machine), Raises her own poultry (no reliance on outside sources for food). You know like independant not dependant on any system outside of her family unit to provide her families ability to survive (or you knoe like her own if she wanted to be alone). Then she can use other things outside the family unit for comfort or to make money but is not dependant on them to survive. If the economy really went over the cliff where grocery store was not full how many independant woman would there be in the west?

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  239. on March 6, 2009 at 2:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    The Amish they are independant. Your average us person not independant at all.

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  240. on March 6, 2009 at 3:13 pm lehuster

    Women actually being independent when they want or need to be doesn’t impose any costs on men that they aren’t willing to pay and/or that women don’t also pay.

    Oh yeah, men must be freely willing to pay “substantial child support, the marital home, half the couple’s assets, and heavy alimony payments” so their divorced wives can be “independent” when they want to be. The voluntariness of this arrangement is so obvious from the massive amount of coercive state power used to enforce it!

    When things go wrong though, everyone’s better off in a situation where neither is forced to endure a lifetime of torment.

    It is not clear at all that “everyone” is better off in a world where no-fault divorce is freely available and widely used.

    just how would monogamy be strictly enforced without violence?

    The way it was in the Western world for centuries – shame and social pressure – plus do what Roissy says here.

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  241. on March 7, 2009 at 1:44 pm Anonymous

    The Amish they are independant. Your average us person not independant at all.

    So that would apply to most men as well as most women.

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  242. on March 7, 2009 at 1:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yes that is correct isn’t it great to be enlightened.

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  243. on March 7, 2009 at 2:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is where the fear comes from and the need to grab all you can at the expense of the other. My woman has no fear of not having a home (she has her own home) She has no fear of not having food. (She grows her own food) She has no fear of not having people around to talk to and help her. (Plenty of extended family to talk to) Her only fear is not having the man who she loves by her side. It’s nice to trancend the basic necesities and be needed/depended on for more than a working slave/living dead from what you were able to create with your own 4 hands.

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  244. on March 7, 2009 at 5:51 pm Kthulah

    Gunslinger, you should add to that a bonus I figured out once I actually reclaimed my life, largely through my kitchen. It’s hard to get or remain fat under such conditions. At most, one would be “sturdy”, which is just right for most guys with breeder tastes.

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  245. on March 7, 2009 at 6:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well she walks in the morning as well to keep in shape. But yea pretty much drinks water only no soda which helps with way less calories than I would intake.

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  246. on March 8, 2009 at 5:08 pm Sara I

    gunslinger

    Why did you stop working when you put down money on the house. Did you see that you both could accidentaly get ahead of the game and god forbid that happen. Same thing I just saw Woman I worked with was making 120k or so husband 120k once he got a 250k job you will never guess what she did. Did she keep working so they could really get ahead of the game and maybe retire.

    She quit to go home and let him keep going. She will be back home though able to spend money 18 hours a day 7 days a week.

    God, you are such a loser. You are the perfect American herd animal brain-washed and manipulated spending machine. Nothing but a consumer who puts more value on what money can buy than what money cannot buy. It’s senseless to even argue with you.

    Why did I quit working? Because during the 8 years I did work, I saw more than a few mothers being so stressed out, on the phone with their kids everyday, trying to manage nightmare day care situations, a household, and their careers at the same time and being exhausted and stressed to the breaking point constantly. I am NO super woman or wannabe super soman and apparently that is ALL you expect. You expect some strict adherence to inhuman standards of production and fortitude. Are you married? You must be an enneagram type one or three and quite average at that. You are nothing to write home about, honey.

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  247. on March 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm Sara I

    Oh pardon me gunslinger, you are the perfect “saving” machine. I forgot that you want to save money so you can retire with your wife and enjoy all the fruits of your labors. Hopefully the kids will not have been fucking all the other kids in the neighborhood in an attempt to create a real family while you and your wife are working 24/7 trying to “get ahead of the game”. Some people don’t want to play that game. Suggested reading “Your Money or Your Life.”

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  248. on March 8, 2009 at 6:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Sara 8 years should have been enough for you to then be able to both enjoy life. When you read my book you will understand how. Might even be able to shave some time off of that. As I have experienced set backs that could have been avoided.

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  249. on March 8, 2009 at 7:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh and my wife doesn’t have a career where she is subservient to a man or woman as her boss. She has her own businesses that she manages and answers only to me.
    “carreer for a woman is bs” too much temptation for the woman to fall in “love” with her male boss or have allegence to other than her family.

    Sara
    ” I am NO super woman or wannabe super soman and apparently that is ALL you expect. ”

    I could not have expected what I have gotten. It wouldn’t have fit in my brain or my dreams before. I always expected men and woman could work as a team in the us to achieve financial freedom relatively easily live one one paycheck save one paycheck.
    Growing up in the us I was under the wrong impression of what a woman could do. When I knew I loved my woman and commited the rest of my life to be with her including for the afterlife (by my word and my not small amount of will). She knew my goals but I did not know what other gifts she had that would come out over the years. It has been amazing. I also never would have known that a woman could teach me how to achieve what I have laid out for myself to achieve. I am glad I know what it is like to have a teammate in this life, through whatever. Maybe because both of us cannot leave there is no I give up or quit or divorce for either of us it is straight up till death do us part and then hopefully after that we can still hang out and love each other.

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  250. on March 8, 2009 at 8:23 pm E. Irizarry (future anti-Feminist R&B singer)

    Most Black women in America are uber-sticklers when it comes to BJ’s.

    Their disclaimer is usually, “You can go down on me if you want to, but I’m not returning the flavor”.

    One time i tried to coerce her to suck it, she slammed my erect dick backwards flushed on the plain of my crotch. Yeah that’s how it felt y’all.

    Stay away from most Black American women if not all of them…they are uber-feminazi’s.

    Just fall back from fucking with them nor fucking them. Chaoo!

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  251. on March 8, 2009 at 8:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    too much bait hahahahaha

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  252. on March 9, 2009 at 2:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Sara
    “Why did I quit working? Because during the 8 years I did work, I saw more than a few mothers being so stressed out, on the phone with their kids everyday, trying to manage nightmare day care situations, a household, and their careers at the same time and being exhausted and stressed to the breaking point constantly. I am NO super woman or wannabe super soman and apparently that is ALL you expect. You expect some strict adherence to inhuman standards of production and fortitude. Are you married? You must be an enneagram type one or three and quite average at that. You are nothing to write home about, honey.”

    Then remembered who I am.

    “Oh pardon me gunslinger, you are the perfect “saving” machine. I forgot that you want to save money so you can retire with your wife and enjoy all the fruits of your labors.”

    Yea I think the bar needs to be raised on what men expect from woman out of marriage. We now know what woman expect when a marriage ends. What men expect while the marriage is still going on needs to be updated to reality of what woman are capable.

    “You expect some strict adherence to inhuman standards of production and fortitude.”

    It is what I expect from myself so why not expect it from my woman. It is not inhuman to work 12 to 18 hour days 7 days a week for 4 years it is possible. I have done it. Just like the people who were able to first climb everest.

    I think what is irritating about the 5 years of extra money you took from your former husband to me is that if what you created with your husband during the marriage when split wasn’t enough for you to start over. Then you don’t deserve any more of his work. See what I am saying. You both were in the marriage if you didn’t create enough during that time to both be ok. Why should he be expected to give you an additional 5 years of his life supporting you when the marriage by your hand ended. He didn’t owe you shit at that point. Now if he wanted to freely give you money after it ended that should be his choice not his forced slavery to you just because he is a man and you are a woman. You felt entitled to it. Although you admit you stopped working because it was stressing you out. Yet what about him who was a workaholic you don’t think work wasn’t stressful just because he did a shitload of it?

    You act like 5 years is a drop in the bucket yet 5 years is what it is going to take to make my wife and I financially independant. So it isn’t nothing by a long shot it is a chunk of time that he could have saved the same money he gave you and been able to do something big with it.

    According to your 5 year thing. I think men should be able to expect their woman to work 5 years to put them through college (or lets say during the marriage the guy just wants to take a 5 year break from work yea thats fine too) so they don’t have any money worries during that time then sure after they get divorced the woman could expect 5 years of him working to provide for what she wanted to do during that time.

    The generousity of men is already big. The state mandating what to give your woman is already less than what a man would gladly give a good woman or woman who he thought deserved it on his own decision.

    Definetly should be seperate bank accounts in a marriage. Both checks go into the mans account and both of them get an amount off that account to live on kind of like an allowance.

    Move next to one set of grandparents if you have kids already so that you get free babysitting. No childcare. No excuse for wife not to work.

    Guy should work more hours but yea wife should be able to take care of the house. Guy could work 12 x 7 woman could work 12 x 6 to have a day off to clean.

    This sounds about right for the first 8 years of marriage. Or you could actually get away with both working more normal hours. Just don’t get the fancy house/car/crap that you don’t need. Just as long as you save the magical 24 k a year to get to around 200k at end of 8 years should put you in a position as a couple to do certain things that most people under 30 would not be able to do.

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  253. on March 9, 2009 at 2:15 pm Anonymous

    Heh, but if you move next door to Grandma and Grandpa to use them for childcare, you’ve just invited the in-laws right into your marriage.

    Family help is never no-strings-attached.

    LOL.

    As romantic and wonderful as the ideal of the extended family is, there are reasons lots of people ran screaming from it as soon as it was financially possible for them to do so.

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  254. on March 9, 2009 at 2:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maybe but you can get ahead of the game that way. Become the top 3 percent. Which is who it will work for. Everyone else still gets to be normal.

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  255. on March 10, 2009 at 10:54 am Curious lurker

    Hi! I was just hoping for a point of clarification. When you said that the women who have been giving you blowjobs have been “moaning in pleasure” did you mean that they were moaning because they are actually physically enjoying the act as much as you are? Or they are moaning b/c they are mentally stimulated by the act?

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  256. on March 12, 2009 at 12:33 am chic noir

    russell rodriguez
    thanks for the advice roissy, going down on a woman looks nasty and i wuld never do it

    Chump

    Then you will never truly please a woman. There is nothing like a man with a mean tongue game who can make you come so hard you passout.

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  257. on March 12, 2009 at 12:39 am la femme de noir

    chuckI’ve *heard* that it’s nearly impossible for a woman to teach a man how to do it well. He is either a natural or learns through hours of practice.

    roll your toungue like your doing the abc’s across her bud. Suck softly, if the woman wants more presure, she will tell you.

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  259. on April 12, 2011 at 12:59 am Jonathan Manor

    I definitely have seen the last girl that you’ve been talking about. The worse thing to do in that situation is to push forward and forward, and hold out on her in hopes that she’ll just break in sexual submission. There’s too much driving her away and not enough driving her towards you in that scenario. I’ve read in another one of your articles that if a girl decides not to have sex with you, you should get in your car and drop her home. I like that idea because it implies dignity. A man who consistently pushes a girl to move is a weak and pathetic man. I think women really need space to think about what they might be losing out on, and if you’re pushing her, you’re not giving her space to think.

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