I strolled along the crowded streets of the city with Damian and his brother. Girls were everywhere. New York City is day game Mecca; you can acquire one target, talk to her, maybe get her number, and immediately seize upon a new target as soon as you have parted ways. Don’t expect privacy, though. If you can’t approach and chat up a girl on the sidewalk in the company of hundreds of pedestrians, don’t bother gaming in NYC. New York really is like a giant outdoor improv class, with audience, backdrop, and scores of cute female protagonists.
It’s also a city of contrasts. You will see the most beautiful and the ugliest women here. Both capture your gawk-worthy attention. When they stand side by side at intersections waiting for lights to change, the chasm separating their genetic luck of the draw becomes unbridgeably wide. I made a mental note to hate anyone who would oppose preimplantation embryonic screening.
The other thing I noticed: Even on the older women (25+) the asses were firm and round. My eyes didn’t suffer too many flat or droopy asses. Clearly, women are working harder on their glutes, elevating this body part to centerpiece status. We rechristened New York the “City of Ass”. The city so nice two cheeks suffice. All this glute toning is not consequence free — their boobs were less than stellar. Cleavage was nowhere to be found, and in fact many of the hottest chicks sported anthills for tits.
D’s brother is dating a model. She told us captivating stories about her model friends. Well, her stories were captivating once I let my imagination fill in the details. One of her girlfriends is on a billboard. This prompted a deep, philosophical manly discussion.
ME: Does it get any better than “My girlfriend is on a billboard?”
D: It’s a show stopper.
ME: You go to a party and people ask you about your girlfriend. “Oh, she’s a lawyer.” Boring. “She’s a doctor.” Impressive, but not feeling it. “She’s on a billboard.” Oh yeah, now we’re cooking with gas. Every guy who hears that is going to imagine the hottest girl and get jealous.
D: It’s right up there with “My angel is a centerfold”.
D launched into an impromptu street dance.
D’s BRO: Pay attention, you’re missing it.
My peripheral vision caught a fleeting glimpse of a drop dead gorgeous raven-haired beauty. It’s amazing how eagle-eyed I get when a hot babe is in the vicinity. I’m sure my eyesight bumps up to 20/15.
A cabbie almost ran over our feet. D lumbered after it, exchanging colorful insults with the Indian driver who was sticking two middle fingers out the window, leaving the steering wheel unattended. It’s pointless, of course, but I suppose the yelling helps relieve the tension of nearly getting run over. D’s brother’s cellphone rang — the ringtone was the drum intro to “When the Levee Breaks”.
D’s BRO: John Bonham was a better drummer than Neil Peart. He could play any style. Peart [he antagonistically pronounced it Peeeeee-eeeeaaart] couldn’t play jazz or blues. His time signatures were limited.
D: [aroused with indignation] What are you talking about? Peart was FAR superior to Bonham. Bonham played cheesy 4/4 rock riffs. What talent does that take?
D’s BRO: Dude, Peart couldn’t hang with Buddy Rich. Remember that? He was on stage with these great drummers and he fucked up the rhythm. He has no feel. Bonham has demonstrated he can play outside his range.
D: You don’t know what you’re talking about. Peart was technically better. He played a bigger kit and made the most of it. Electronic drums and the blocks and double bass. He has to spin around! Bonham played that stupid kindergarten kit, two toms and a snare. What is that garbage? One bass drum is child’s play.
D’s BRO: Way to kill your own point, doucheass! Bonham punched out solid rhythms on a limited kit. He didn’t have the crutch of hundreds of drums and cowbells to make up for the lack of skills. You can’t get around that Peart sucks outside his comfort zone.
Punctuating his argument, D’s brother began air drumming “When the Levee Breaks”, pointing his imaginary drumstick in D’s face on the downbeat. D answered the taunt by airdrumming the solo from “Tom Sawyer”. No one on the street bothered to notice.
We stopped by a corner eatery. D ordered the $10 chocolate cake. It was the size of a miniature hockey puck. D growled when he saw the tiny dessert and the waitress looked embarrassed. “I love New York and I hate New York.” Nods of agreement.
D’s brother is an actor and a bartender. Later that night we went to his bar on the Upper East Side while he worked his shift. After a day on the streets, and a night in a bar watching the girls parade in, we concluded that New York’s girls blow SF’s girls out of the water. This was based on a scientific survey.
D’s brother mentioned a Polish girl might come in and flirt with him. She had been in his bar before and conveyed interest in him. He told us this because he suggested we hit on any girlfriends she might drag in with her. We weren’t there more than a half hour when an absolute babe of magnificent proportions and stunning natural beauty walked in the door with five other girls. She was cornsilk blonde and around 22 years old — at the peak of ripeness. She sidled right up to the bar and talked with D’s brother, dripping with a heavy Polish accent. He was indifferent, even to the point of ignoring her and walking in the opposite direction when she was in the middle of telling him something. He wasn’t doing this on purpose; he was pretty happy with his girlfriend. Naturally, his supreme aloofness only drove the Polish girl crazy with lust. Her flirting became aggressive, desperate. I vowed to get a part time job bartending.
Meanwhile, D and I took the full measure of which targets were within striking distance. To his right were two girls, one cute and one chunky. The cute one began stripping off her coat and suit jacket like a cabaret dancer. She pulled at her blouse, making “phew” noises. When a girl wants you to open her she makes it obvious by her proximity and her histrionics.
I glanced over my shoulder. “You practicing your stripper moves?”
“What makes you say that!!?” Ugh, grating New York accent. Their one blemish.
“Well, maybe it was the way you threw your coat into your friend’s face.” I looked over at the fat friend and smiled. The cute one laughed and grabbed D by the arm.
“Your buddy just called me a stripper!”
D chuckled. “I’m up for that.”
Cute chick: “You know what else will get you *up*? Tiger balm!” She looked over at fattie and they giggled.
D furrowed his brow. “Tiger balm? What? What the fuck is that?”
Cute chick: “You don’t know what Tiger balm is??!!! Oh, you’re missing out!”
Fattie: “It’s like Ben-gay. Except for… you know.”
I couldn’t believe these chicks weren’t drunk. What was their excuse? “D, it’s a lotion you can put on your junk and her junk and it heats up. It makes the banging hotter.” The girls giggled louder.
“Right, got it.” D looked disgusted. He has a thing against girls who speak crudely. His theory is that girls who talk like sailors have banged a lot of cock and are burned out from all the pump and dumping. The crudity is like a self-defense mechanism to reclaim some control over men.
D paired off with the cute chick. She seemed into him, and my eyes were resting elsewhere. Like a professional wingman, I occupied the fattie. The four of us had been talking for ten minutes when I felt the urge to break off from the group. I can only humor a fat chick for so long before my patience wears thin. The fattie was exceedingly pleasant (aren’t they all?) but if there’s no physical attraction it just feels like minutes of my precious life are draining away, better spent on slender women.
I shifted 180 degrees and opened two women sitting at the bar. They were flirting with D’s brother as he poured them appletinis. I re-vowed my previous vow to take up a job bartending. The girl nearest me was clearly drunk. Not buzzed; drunk. I hate this. Buzzed girls are great to game, drunk girls are less than useless. They can’t follow a sentence halfway through, all they know how to do is shit test, and they inspire the protective instincts of whatever sober girlfriends they happen to have brought with them. Some of them even piss themselves. They’re dead weight. If you manage to get one home and fuck her, she might pass out in the middle of sex. The only thing they are good for is injecting excitement and a fun vibe into a stalled out conversation. Use them strategically.
“Lemme guess. You guys are sisters.” They did look alike.
Drunk girl addressed me first. “OH MY GOD, how did you know that!!! Yes, we aaaarrree!” A shockwave of rancid breath hit me in the face. She smelled like she had vomited earlier in the night. “Guess our age, now!”
I don’t like when women who look old enough (late 20s) to be easily offended if you guess in the wrong direction by more than a year ask me to guess their age. It’s a landmine. So I never make a serious attempt.
“Lesseee… you’re 52?”
“Whaaaat?? Nooo!!!”
“Ok, one more try… 21!”
“Aww, you’re so cute! Does my sister look older or younger than me?”
Christ, an entire family psychodrama was about to play out. I realized if I didn’t lead the convo I could wind up being the catalyst for whatever issues these two wanted to work out.
“You know what, I’m horrible at this. But I can tell you that your sister looks like the responsible one.” I smiled at the sober sister. “Is it true?”
“Is what true?”
“You’re the chaperone?”
Drunk girl interrupted with another blast of puke breath. “She’s younger than me! I have to look out for her.” She went to high-five her sister and missed, her open palm jabbing the air ineffectually. “Why don’t you entertain us?” She was touching her chest.
“You’re enough entertainment for all of us.” I turned my back. I had lost all interest in pursuing the set any further. With D tied up and D’s bro busy working the bar, I had nobody to act as a wedge between the sisters. The sober sister was already looking concerned for her drunk sister. Tactically, it was hopeless. If they had both been sober, I could have done something with that.
At closing time (4AM), there were eight women and me and D. Does this ever happen in SF bars? I can’t recall. If you have the energy to go out five nights a week, I can guarantee that no matter how bad your game, after six months in NYC you WILL get laid. There are just too many women in too small an area for you to fail at that goal. You’d have to be a hermit or a leper to remain involuntarily celibate in New York for more than a year.

LOL! I had the exact same Bonham vs. Pert argument with Zeets!
BTW his PC is going to be a beast. Wink wink nudge nudge.
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Roissy —
I can not argue with this assessment of NYC at all. My question is, why not move to the empirically better city? why torture yourself in the swamp that is DC? I’m here b/c of my job, but if I could move to NYC, I’d do so in a heart beat
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Amen to the bartender insight. Bartenders wield disproportional amounts of power over women; it’s quite ridiculous. Just check out the movie “Cocktail” for evidence.
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Even on the older women (25+) the asses were firm and round. My eyes didn’t suffer too many flat or droopy asses. Clearly, women are working harder on their glutes, elevating this body part to centerpiece status.
Girls in cities where you have to walk around a lot are in better shape generally. I’m not sure if that is the whole explanation, but it is undoubtedly part of it.
All this glute toning is not consequence free — their boobs were less than stellar. Cleavage was nowhere to be found, and in fact many of the hottest chicks sported anthills for tits.
Surprising. Jewish girls tend to have the best breasts and there should be lots of them in NYC. (The less said about their flat, bony asses though the better.)
Buzzed girls are great to game, drunk girls are less than useless.
Amen. In addition to the above problems, a number from a drunk girl is a guaranteed flake. Might as well just go for the make-out, barring the puke breath thing.
Drunk girls are a major problem for gaming in bars in my area. Girls here in Western Canada are known for being conservative in a lot of ways, but they drink hard. An awful lot of them are disgusting, sloppy drunks.
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Well a woman would probably rather be celibate than have sex with someone not up to alpha par. I mean would you bang a girl you didn’t find attractive just because there was no one else?
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Btw roissy google says this is in downtown, did you mainly stick to gaming in Soho (that place is full of models) or did you also venture into non lower Manhattan?
Granted downtown with lots of college students is probably the best place to meet girls.
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i love when people get jealous of me, too. it makes me want to stare at myself in the mirror for hours and flex the guns.
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you mean Cocktail is about a bartender? no shit.
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“After a day on the streets, and a night in a bar watching the girls parade in, we concluded that New York’s girls blow DC’s girls out of the water.”
Did anyone ever think otherwise?
– MPM
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Go easy on the whole bar tending thing.
It is way better to be on the other side of the bar.
– MPM
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I did this kind of thing when I was younger. NYC is awesome, but wears on you. After a while, you’re like, “I need to get the hell out of here.” Couple of us used to run around with models. Gets stale. Models are done in the business by 24, and they got nothing. They all want to move to LA or something. Still, couple of bars do it right — “half-off/half-off” night was best. You strip down to half the clothes you got on, the drinks were half off. Thus, you’d be talking to girls in nothing but your shorts and she had bra/panties on. Best part about NYC.
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“Models are done in the business by 24, and they got nothing. They all want to move to LA or something.”
True.
That’s why you want to catch them in NYC.
The late bloomers you catch them in LA.
Even better, catch them in Colombia or Estonia.
– MPM
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As a bisexual man, I am obsessed with anal, much like Roissy is.
I need GNPs on both front and back, as well.
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If you have the energy to go out five nights a week, I can guarantee that no matter how bad your game, after six months in NYC you WILL get laid. There are just too many women in too small an area for you to fail at that goal.
Sure, there are a lot of chicks, but they’re all lusting after BIGLAW partners and i-bankers and hedge fund managers. Ordinary men don’t stand a chance unless they have wicked Game or are otherwise ultra-Alpha.
Peter
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“Just check out the movie “Cocktail” for evidence.”
Just check out the movies “Slumdog Millionnaire,” “Wall-E,” and “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” for EVIDENCE that betas get their girl with enough persistence and good intention.
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Peart is technically better. I dunno what your friend was talking about, but he navigated a lot of odd time signatures while there are stories of Bonham having to play 4/4 on “Black Dog” because he had problems with complexity.
But Bonham was a true original, because he’s one of the few drummers you can identify as soon as you hear one of his beats. His style then became the norm amongst countless rock drummers.
So (as a former drummer) my vote goes to Bonham, because having a signature sound and originating a style IMO is harder to do as a drummer than learning a bunch of tech details.
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Anonymous — can you please tell me the names of some bars who do half off / half on night? I’m moving to NYC in a few weeks.
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NYc girls are also moved there because of and are enamoured with the “Sex and the City” stereotype.
A good game to run with an NYC girl is to ask her if she likes SATC (always a yes) and, if so, which girl she is most like:
Samantha–all systems are go captain. Samatha was the slut.
Miranda–feels ugly, possible lesbian, definitely sarcastic and brittle like a wallflower. Impressed with her own career and brain. Definite feminist. Tread cautiously, but swooping (as G would say) is possible. Tease her about her brains, career, and feminism correctly. and you’re in–but careful, she wants to burn/fight you as much she wants you to bed her.
Carrie–center of the world, princessy type. Carrie was every girls dream: despite being ugly, ridiculous outfits and budget, and rich alpha all over her shit. Beware; Carries seem easy but are really self-centered little girls at heart. Best game to run: act like Mr. BIg (Chris Noth) on the show: say the terms “abso-fucking-lutely”, smile devilishly, and mention Paris. Carrie’s a romantic-slut at her self-centered heart.
Charlotte–warning sign. A girl who identifies as a Charlotte split into 2 types:
1. Rules types blue ballers interested in a career man/LTR. Her rules are denying you sex in pursuit of the ring. Thinks she’s a good girl. Run.
or 2: reformed slut who wants to be a good girl. Solution: alcohol, and teasing her about being too much a goody too shoes to have fun with you. Her inner slut will come back as she tries to “best” you.
Any of the gay men: despite what you might think, she’s a game playera c-tease. Unless she follows it up with “but I suck better than they do.”
yes I watched the show. I hated the acting and the messages were shallow, but the writing was very well done. Strong writing. Even with the swears/sex taken out in syndication, its still good writing. Can’t say that about the Sopranos, sadly.
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ps the onyl decent one was charlotte. Miranda and Carrie were ugly, and Samantha was way over the hill. Heck, she’s so old, in *Porky’s* (back in the early 80s), she was still *too old* to play a student and had to play a teacher.
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“Just check out the movies “Slumdog Millionnaire,” “Wall-E,” and “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” for EVIDENCE that betas get their girl with enough persistence and good intention.”
Cannon,
You’ve already tapped out of every argument we’ve had here, why do you want to subject yourself to another beatdown?
Maybe you have self-worth issues and enjoy being made to look like a fool. But go ahead, jump on every comment I make to try to incite me. You’ll be spending a lot more sleepless nights, waiting up for my rebuttal as you admitted earlier today. It’s kind of creepy that you search out my comments like that.
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“Just check out the movies “Slumdog Millionnaire,” “Wall-E,” and “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” for EVIDENCE that betas get their girl with enough persistence and good intention.”
What, studying up or something?
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Astute observations–NYC is indeed a city of firm asses, small tits, and (though you left this one out), a disproportionate number of brunettes, the polar opposite of LA. As swimming with ladies as this place is, though, it’s still the case that merely standing in their presence does not magically lead to them taking interest in you. Crippling approach anxiety and/or meager gaming skills will lead to the same results here as anywhere. It might also be remarked that the choicest pieces of ass are, by and large, going to be unattainable without some combination of good looks, refined fashion sense (this one is particularly important), social connections, and impeccable game.
Ultimately, though, it is true that with a little confidence and even just a moderate knowledge of game, a guy will be able to choose liberally from the pool of thousands upon thousands of 6s-8s in this great city.
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Chuck – He did make a good point. Citing a movie to prove a truth is pretty stupid.
Sure, there are a lot of chicks, but they’re all lusting after BIGLAW partners and i-bankers and hedge fund managers. Ordinary men don’t stand a chance unless they have wicked Game or are otherwise ultra-Alpha.
Peter, this definitely isn’t true at all. There are PLENTY of girls interested in all types of different guys. Fashion (both high and street) guys. Marketing/advertising guys. Poor artist guys. Music guys. Shit, every kind of guy.
There are also not only a ton of 9s and 10s, but a TSUNAMI of 6s 7s and 8s. These girls are already so intimidated by a) being in the big city and b) seeing all the 9s and 10s around them, that it’s pretty easy.
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Ginger,
Your mental midgetry is boundless. There are no arguments to make with you because you have no grounding in reality. I will continue to direct attention to any brainless nonsense you sputter out, which lately has comprised most of your commentary here.
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Canon’s Canon-
I dont understand the main character in Forgetting Sarah Marshall. It just came on Starz the other day and I caught it. Clearly his insufferably disgusting, bleating, ingratiating behavior (which includes a lot of crying) throughout the film makes it clear he is a beta. However, shortly after the breakup scene there is a montage of him banging out many random chicks within what appears to be a week or two, in his attempt to forget his ex. So clearly he has game. Roissys definition of alpha is just ability to bed women – it’s rather results oriented. How to reconcile this…
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Notes on DC/NYC:
NYC is nice but no Shangri-La. Most bars will have a good 60-40 ratio of men to women. In DC, most men seem to be wallflowers and thus mostly furniture to walk around while you pick up girls; in NYC, most are alpha or aggressive beta; either way, they are making an attempt at and occupying most groups with any potential. Also, outside certain areas and hot spots (meatpacking district, for example), the talent level falls off fast — truly hot girls just don’t really go out here, they don’t need to, they get picked up in everyday life.
I see you were on St. Mark’s (my brother lives on that block); should have stayed in that neighborhood. The attractive are fewer than the Upper East Side, but when you find them, they are much cooler (and far less sloppy).
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nevermind Im not really following the comments closely… I didnt pick up on the subtext
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You’d have to be a hermit or a leper to remain involuntarily celibate in New York for more than a year.
Or David Alexander. Oh wait, I lived at the far edge of the city and I moved deeper in the ‘burbs. And I don’t go to bars and clubs! 😛
Cleavage was nowhere to be found, and in fact many of the hottest chicks sported anthills for tits.
In other words, PA would be very happy.
Surprising. Jewish girls tend to have the best breasts and there should be lots of them in NYC.
Yes, but NYC tends to import a lot of non-Jewish folks who attempt to make something of themselves here.
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Roissy,
Please write a post on why women are the only ones who need to be entertained? In my 33 years of life, I’ve had COUNTLESS women instruct me, in one form or another, to “entertain” them or “make them laugh” or “tell them a story”, like I was their court jester or something.
I have NEVER asked a girl to make me laugh or entertain me.
The simple request “entertain me” reveals so much:
1. That many women, by and large, are boring and bring nothing to the table
2. That many women are not funny enough to entertain (the age-old “Are women funny” argument)
3. That men who CAN entertain women, either with jokes, stories, interesting conversation, or mysterious game are the most successful with women
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God I love NYC. Another plus is the sheer variety of bars, women, types of people in general. Not so much a one-industry place like DC, which attracts mainly the same kind of person.
I guess Tiger Balm girl would have been a good, uh, fit for Purple Saguaro ? Would it have been worthwhile, or even just fun, to try to game her with sex-toy talk? If she was nice looking I probably would’ve gone that way.
One possible future for all those NYC models who are washed up at 24 is .. the Emperor’s Club VIP. What else do they know how to do, unless they’ve used their earning years to either learn a skill, save a lot of money, or meet a worthwhile dude? Those NYC condos don’t pay for themselves.
Also, it’s a good thing your buddies had their geeky rock-drummer conversation out on the street, away from the females. *my* eyes were rolling just skimming through – I can bet how it would have come across in mixed company.
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“LOL! I had the exact same Bonham vs. Pert argument with Zeets!”
There is no argument, Bonham doesn’t even belong in the discussion. And it’s Peart (pronounced Peert).
If anyone wants to suggest that John Paul Jones is better than Geddy Lee, I will happily punch you in the face.
A better argument would be Keith Emerson vs. Rick Wakeman.
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Seeking Alpha,
people on this board cite movies, books, and pop culture examples all of the time to prove their points. Roissy had a series of posts showing that abused women love their abusive men by pointing to *one* incident b/w Chris Brown and Rihanna.
i’m not citing Cocktail as conclusive proof that women are attracted to bartenders; it’s just a good example of women fawning over them.
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Finally Roissy comes to Manhattan and acknowledges how much hotter NYC girls are than DC girls. I feel vindicated. My personal recommendations: day game in Central Park (euro-tourists) or Union Square (NYU undergrads) if its warm. If cold, the Apple Store on 59th and Central Park South (super-crowded) or the Whole Foods at Columbus Circle (obscenely crowded so go at 11 or 3-4). These are not the only places to meet hot women in NYC, but that’s the guaranteed action. Its chaos, though.
Flashman, you must be going to the wrong places. Meatpacking and Times Square are the only places you will find bridge and tunnel meatballs competing with you. The upper east side is teeming with young hot girls all the goddamn time. Yes, men in New York are slightly more aggressive than in DC, but there are so many MORE hot girls here it never matters (as roissy found out). You can go from one group to the next to the next – zero effort. I have never ever had another guy get in my way here, and I’m no tough guy. My problems are always lack of focus and, occasionally, atrocious wingmanship. There are too many options!
Wait until it really gets warm. AND no one has a fucking job anymore, so talk about fertile ground for reckless sexuality. In NYC, meeting hot girls is so fucking easy, but remember that girls are impatient and insecure here: so Always Be Closing. Aggressive game works here. Asshole game works. Yeah, you have to be a monk not to get pussy here.
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“Also, it’s a good thing your buddies had their geeky rock-drummer conversation out on the street, away from the females. *my* eyes were rolling just skimming through – I can bet how it would have come across in mixed company.”
“Music Game” for lack of a better term, can work with hipster babes.
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“Just check out the movie “Cocktail” for evidence.”
No thanks.
Tom Cruise dancing around like a ponce, and taking 20 minutes to make some gay drink?
If you want to watch a real movie, get “Rise of the Footsoldier”.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G6E7N8?ie=UTF8&tag=thegman-20&link_code=wql&camp=212361&creative=380601
Dope.
Breaks down the early 90’s Game to a T.
– MPM
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Howard Roark,
Great breakdown.
“Wait until it really gets warm.”
That is why I spend this time of the year in Southern California and Miami Beach.
May in NYC.
– MPM
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The antithesis of the roissy lifestyle:
The new hippies are really fine….
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lurker
“NYc girls are also moved there because of and are enamoured with the “Sex and the City” stereotype.”
So true.
I wrote a piece on “The Sex and The City Opener” a while back:
http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2008/06/sex-and-city-opener.html
– MPM
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These guys are definitely on mushrooms.
Roissy, you ought to try them. It might help.
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Welcome to the promised land.
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But as far as a more stone cold look at things, Flashman is on point.
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miami is an awesome place to get laid cause the women here are dressed very slutty, the more average looking women feel very inadequate with all the models running around, most of them are less educated, and the weather is always warm.
things that make it more difficult are more flakiness with the hotter women (obvi), lots of cavemen type of guys running game, and extreme consumerism here (flashiness)
a good place for a undercover lover like me 🙂
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Sorry for over posting roissy, but your whole evening sounds so boring. Why even write about it? No music? No dancing? Why even go out? WTF? You are just boring! You have no music in your soul, hence it’s my conclusion that you are not good in bed either. Not by my definition.
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btw the last thing is, latin women are fuckin beautiful.
just like roosh says, cept miami has the full smorgasbord.
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G,
I’ve been up on Rise of the Footsoldier for a minute. You are right on; it is fucking classic. Scarface goes to England. And more men who beat the shit out of their swooning women.
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Your observations are right, this is a legs and ass town so much so that a girl with fake tits will stand out in NYC and is pretty rare. That’s not the case in Miami or LA. However, if you think you saw talent when you visited recently, wait until the weather gets warmer. Its ridiculous.
I’ve seen a lot of money game used by guys here, which is to say without dough they have no game. Now that times are tougher, I suspect those guys will go the way of the dodo.
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de Toqueville –
Have you ever asked a girl to play with your balls? Then you’ve asked her to entertain you.
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While NYC has some decent looking women, the minute they open their mouths, my nuts retract into my body. Either they have the insane accent, bad attitudes, stink breath or they just talk nonsense. It appears Roissy encountered all of the above.
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Personally, in that situation I would have slow-danced with the chubbie one.
1) as a wingman your doing your friend a huge favour by leaving him with tiger balm girl
2) every other girl in the bar would have seen you dance with her and thought more highly of you
3) you would be doing the chubbie one a favour.
4) you would have looked and felt magnanimous.
5) the small of her back would have still felt good.
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girls don’t value you higher if you’re hanging with a fatty.
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Do it in a Gentlemenly way…. make it a fun thing not a “pick-up thing” …
You have still “auto-negged” the whole room.
Twirl her into the seat and excuse yourself and go to the bathroom when the song gets into the second chorus…
Either on your way into or out of the Bathroom a brazen hottie who feels insecure WILL corner you and keno you and ask if you are going out with Chubbie…..tell her
“No I just felt like dancing”
Deal CLOSED
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Here’s to the fatty:
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And if a brazen hottie doesn’t appear go to the Bar, get a drink and then slow dance for a song with Tiger Balm girl.
I was not born on this earth to get judged by girls – I am here to have fun.
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“Sorry for over posting roissy, but your whole evening sounds so boring. Why even write about it? No music? No dancing? Why even go out? WTF? You are just boring! You have no music in your soul, hence it’s my conclusion that you are not good in bed either. Not by my definition.”
Hysterical. Boring? I’d say so…but probably not in the way you think. Overpost all you want. At least “Roissy” is going out and not spending his life leaving whining commments on websites of people he claims to hate.
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Max from Australia
“I was not born on this earth to get judged by girls – I am here to have fun.”
Just the kind of attitude that will get you more girls that you have time to deal with…
– MPM
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Thanks G Man … its fundamentally true isn’t it????
I dont beleive in religion – but I dont beleive god and my parents put all of this time and energy into me for me to go out into the wide world and feel negatively judged by random people…
Its just not ethical or sportsman like
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Milton Friedman
Huh? How did google tell you that? Some google tech I’m clueless about? Spill!
(I can tell from looking at the pic and knowing Manhattan that it looks like downtown, prob. not Soho proper but maybe Soho east or the E. Village, but what’s with the google tell?)
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So true how men LOVE to show off to other men about how hot their girl is, and stuff like being on a billboard/being on TV/being a professionals sports dancer will make a girl a keeper.
Those Bloomberg terminals go abuzz any time a new analyst who was an ex-model/other hot profession joins one of the banks (at least they did back when the banks were hiring)… “super busy” traders will miraculously get a moment to walk by her desk regularly, she’ll always get asked to go to dinner with (male) clients early on, etc. Fun stuff 😉
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dougjnn
That’s St. Marks between 1st and A, no where near Soho.
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NYC ftw.
eh, give me a break roissy. 6 months and 5 nights a week? let’s say 1 month and 3 nights a week. nyc girls are preeetty desperate, especially since all the finance guys left.
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Jewish girls tend to have the best breasts and there should be lots of them in NYC. (The less said about their flat, bony asses though the better.)
somebody hasn’t banged (m)any Jewish chicks.
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Max from Australia,
That was a beautiful idea, dancing with the Chubbie.
Even if you didn’t close the deal with a hottie, you still would have made the world a better place.
Then, if you met the Chubbie later on, you could explain how dancing with her let you let score with some hot chick, who felt so insecure seeing you dance with a fat girl. You would both enjoy a good laugh.
(Can you tell I’m a beta?)
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de Tocqueville, here is your answer: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701
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Wocka
AKA E. Village. See my post. Which also said that pick was NOT taken in Soho, but possibly east of Soho. aka Solito. But no I couldn’t ID the exact block from the pic, though I’ve been on that St. Marks block many times.
Still wonder how google would have told anyone where that picture was taken.
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What about Keith Moon?
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de Tocqueville
Of course girls entertain us. They just do it, for the most part, in different ways. Vive la difference!!
They entertain us by their beauty. Which they artfully enhance though makeup, hair styling, grooming, perfume, clothing and now sometimes surgery. They entertain us by being dancing girls, high (ballet, etc.) and low (strip clubs, or dancing girls for royal courts), or in the middle, at any old dance club. They entertain us with their emotional drama, both in their flirtations and games with us, and on stages present or celluloid, and by singing for us. But most of all, in one way or another, by their beauty.
Vive la difference!
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Thanks Joel
Its just the polite thing to do in my book…..
Why is Bruce Springsteen so popular? Is he the best looking guy in the world? the best guitarist? the best singer?
Or his he just sheer guaranteed excitement and thrills? (and unlike all of the other po-face “entertainers” he looks like he’s been having fun for the last 30 years doing it!)
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Contra some of the commenters here, I find that most girls actually _are_ quite interesting, but you’d have to be a damned fool to go into your interactions with them expecting intellectual stimulation. You shouldn’t want to talk to girls for the same reasons you would want to talk to, say, Greg Cochran. In other words, interaction with girls are more about style than content. Get used to it.
There are welcome exceptions.
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I wonder if Fake Expat is TJF.
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Every now and then I’ll test women’s knowledge by asking them what they think stars are made of. Some of the answers have been mind bogglingly dumb.
On web-boards and forums, women who debate issues with anything more than emotion are extremely rare.
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http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/109731/
The face of a natural. This frat boy banged a Miss North Carolina and then had the balls to blackmail her.
The lesson? Don’t be insecure about your looks. Be insecure about your cowardly personality.
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you say party, we say die.
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Is this the same NYC where I live? The NYC where every female of at least average attractiveness walks down the sidewalk or wherever she’s going at 20 mph, never glancing to her side, or if she does see you, stares right through you frowning? The NYC where every bar I ever go to has the attractive women either taken already or in a closed group of 3-5 women? Sure, there are enough ok looking girls that might be fun to fuck, but girls here are vapid and slutty. And if you aren’t in their social circle, there is really no way to meet them.
“Gaming” is impossible here, especially with everyone in a rush.
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Good to see you finally cracking wise about which East Coast cities aren’t hopeless, Roissy.
Maybe I’m still young and naive, but I have had infinitely greater success when I visit friends at NYU than when I am at my own middle-of-nowhere liberal-arts school. I used to think I just had no game, but it seems now that I just cannot game the preppy, rich, spoiled, too-tan, party too hard girls at my own school as well as the rich, spoiled, somewhat arty ones at NYU.
Also, it helps that young, straight college-aged men are something of a rarity at NYU…
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NYC is Game heaven. Street Game has unlimited opportunities, but even for those who can’t do that, thre is bar game, coffe shop game, hotel lobby game, friend of friend game, etc.
NYC is lightyears ahead of DC as far as the opportunities for Game goes.
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“Ordinary men don’t stand a chance unless they have wicked Game or are otherwise ultra-Alpha.”
No. You still don’t understand Game.
The average bartender or no-name drummer in NYC, who cannot even afford to live in Manhattan, gets laid much more than the typical BigLaw partner or I-Banker.
Now think about why.
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““NYc girls are also moved there because of and are enamoured with the “Sex and the City” stereotype.””
So true. This also shows that women have no clue about mathematical probabilities.
An average American girl who is a 7 or 8 and moves to NYC to work at some mundane $75,000 job thinks she can land an alpha millionaire guy. She does not realize that :
1) She is competing with models from all over America and Europe
2) She is competing with foreign women who come to NYC (from Europe, Asia, Brazil, etc.)
3) She is competing with local NY women from very wealthy families.
So the average American girl who moves to NYC is on a fast track to cougarhood.
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on March 10, 2009 at 9:18 pm Wocka
“That’s St. Marks between 1st and A, no where near Soho.”
My software locates the scan more precisely as 96 St. Mark’s Place in NYC with a s-note that the structure was used as cover art for an album released in 1975 “Physical Graffiti” by rock band Led Zeppelin, of whom John Henry Bonham was a member, so it makes sense given the topic. Hope this helps.
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doug, all someone had to do was see “fun city tattoo” in the corner of the pic and google that to get the location.
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Sure, there are a lot of chicks, but they’re all lusting after BIGLAW partners and i-bankers and hedge fund managers. Ordinary men don’t stand a chance unless they have wicked Game or are otherwise ultra-Alpha.
Peter, this definitely isn’t true at all. There are PLENTY of girls interested in all types of different guys. Fashion (both high and street) guys. Marketing/advertising guys. Poor artist guys. Music guys. Shit, every kind of guy.
Most of the guys you mention are artsy or creative types. Men like that tend to do pretty well for themselves with women even though they aren’t within the conventional definition of Alpha. In fact, it’s almost as if they form an alternative type of Alphas.
Despite all the available women in New York, a man who is neither a conventional Alpha nor an artsy/creative type is not going to do well.
Peter
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“The sober sister was already looking concerned for her drunk sister. Tactically, it was hopeless. If they had both been sober, I could have done something with that.”
“If you have the energy to go out five nights a week, I can guarantee that no matter how bad your game, after six months in NYC you WILL get laid.”
Oh, the fucking IRONY between those two sentences.
Roissy’s game is not even good enough to pull drunk skanks in NYC, and yet he declares chumps are guaranteed to get laid in NYC.
Typical illogical beta boy thought process: Oooh, lots of hot chicks running around = I will automatically get laid!
Unfortunately, more hot chicks in a city = super tight game is required.
BTW the lawyer chicks you hate so much in DC are just as plenty in NYC.
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“Is this the same NYC where I live? The NYC where every female of at least average attractiveness walks down the sidewalk or wherever she’s going at 20 mph, never glancing to her side, or if she does see you, stares right through you frowning? The NYC where every bar I ever go to has the attractive women either taken already or in a closed group of 3-5 women?… “Gaming” is impossible here, especially with everyone in a rush.”
True.
Every beta boy who visits NYC has his tongue hanging out by the PROSPECT of hot pussy. But they don’t realize the level of anti-male game NYC women have.
Gaming IS indeed possible, but guys like Roissy who represent the average “PUAs” have no where near the level of game to pull hot NYC pussy on the regular.
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You say this as if there was some actual serious debate on this topic and you were proven right in the face of naysayers. I’m pretty sure (at least I hope not) that there was no one who seriously contended NYC girls weren’t much hotter than DC girls. It had to be a given.
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Or you have really good game. I know many guys who are not artsy/creative types and are not conventional alphas and do well. Also, people overrate how well conventional alphas do here. How many BigLaw or I-Banker types do you know who are swimming in a pool of women. Most of them have one or two Jappy wannabe Sex and the City girlfriends whose lives they basically subsidize, and who often fuck bartenders and low-level actors behind their backs while they’re working 80-hour weeks.
Another thing is that people don’t realize what it takes to be called “artsy/creative” in NY these days anyway. You can work in a cafe or bar and wear the artist’s “hipster uniform” and have the right hairstyle and tattoos and VOILA! you’re an “artsy” type swimming in poon. None of those chicks will ever actually look to see what calikber of art you’re supposedly producing or even if you’ve actually produced any art. That’s the whole reason the word “artsy” has even come about these days. Back in the days they just called bohemian downtowners “artists” because they actually produced art. Now you can just work a service job but look like a bohemian and know a lot about art and never produce anything and be vaguely and peripherally into arts and just call yourself “artsy” and reap the same sexual benefits “artists” used to reap back in the day.
The point is, people get intimidated about being an “artsy” type to get women because they think it’s the same as being an “artist” where they actually have to have talent, perserverance, tools and a finished product. Nowadays it’s just the right look and the right Ipod playlist.
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“drunk girls are less than useless. They can’t follow a sentence halfway through, all they know how to do is shit test, and they inspire the protective instincts of whatever sober girlfriends they happen to have brought with them. Some of them even piss themselves. They’re dead weight.”
The truth! Especially the shit test part. And you can even pass the shit tests because any clever response flies right over their head. Try telling a smashed gal you’re a royal food taster when she asks what you do for a living. Ugh…
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it’s sad that it’s been reduced to style over substance.
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I was wonderng about that. Manhattan to expensive for bohemians liek Blondie during the 60s/70s living and doing music in ratty East Village warehouses. That scene has been gone since at least the early 90s, hasn’t it?
I see you kind of touch on this… but do service jobs (or even respectable admin jobs in iBank firms) pay enough to live in NYC? My impression is that any young hipster types in Manhattan are trustafarians or students who share living expenses in one apartment.
Brooklyn and Queens are cheaper and many have various ethnic enclaves… is that where the hipsters now live?
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Brooklyn and Queens are cheaper and many have various ethnic enclaves… is that where the hipsters now live?
Especially Brooklyn for the hipsters. Williamsburg is crawling with them.
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What is it about hipsters that is so annoying? I respect real artists (ie, talented and hard at work on their craft) but with hipsters… there is something really ridiculous about them.
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Anyone else notice the business in the background of the photo? “Asian Body Work,” ha ha.
Peter
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You can do Manhattan for under a grand if you are with 3-4 other people in an apartment. Especially in this economic environment. The more shared expenses (utilities, cable, internet) the cheaper it is. This is obvious, which makes me wonder why people do the solo thing.
I’d rather do the craiglist thing and spend 1000 living with three affable strangers than pony up all the cash to live in a studio, which is little more than a bedroom.
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“What is it about hipsters that is so annoying? I respect real artists (ie, talented and hard at work on their craft) but with hipsters… there is something really ridiculous about them.”
Hipsters, the people who pay $100 to look like they buy clothes at a thrift store. Not my phrase, so I’ve got to give credit.
http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html
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What you have is a bunch of faux-bohemians who want to reenact the lives of their old folk and punk idols so they live in the East Village and Williamsburg and other hipster enclaves. But it’s more playacting, they wear the same outfits as their old bands, do drugs, get sleeve tattoos and are in shitty little bands, but the modern East village is to the old East Village what paintball is to actual gunfights. It’s like a sanitized, safe theme park version of a gritty punk and bohemian lifestyle. If these sheltered kids actually ever had to live in a real shitty neighborhood on par with the old 60s/70s ratty East Village they’d piss themselves and move back to Ohio fast.
The old stuff was a scene that was built around a product. Now we have professional scenesters. They declare themselves part of a scene first because they desperately want to be on the cusp of something, then scramble to find a product to justify the existence of said scene. That’s why the hipster publications are always so eager to crown some new “it” band or “it” artist but they never have any staying power. A scene without any actual good product/art is like an army without any actual cause, it’s just a bunch of directionless mercenaries. No one can name any great artists coming out of Williamsburg or the East Village or name any band with real staying power that will be getting talked about 10 years from now. Bands become old news within 2 years of their debuts now (The Stokes for example).
Very close. The respectable admin Ibank jobs and things of that nature usually have people living in the outer surrounding boroughs or in gentrifying parts of Manhattan. Many of the service employees you see who can afford to live in Manhattan or expensive parts of Brooklyn tend to be (1) trustafarians, (2) sharing an apartment with a bunch of other people to reduce costs (and unlike most places it isn’t just college students, you have people well into their 30s willing to have roommates in NYC just to be able to live in Manhattan), (3) willing to take a ridiculously small living space in order to afford an apartment in a trendy section, (4) lucky enough to score a rent-stabilized apartment or (5) a combination of 2 or more of the above.
You can be in your 30s in NY and bring a girl home to your apartment and not need to be ashamed that it’s cramped and shared with roommates. These hipster chicks have seen it all and are used to it.
The genuinely poor service industry hipsters without trust funds tend to live in those areas and are currently gentrifying them. Downtown Brooklyn where I live tends to be more expensive though than other less gentrified parts of Brooklyn.
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Also important to point out that Brooklyn differs in quality greatly the closer you get to Manhattan. In upscale Brooklyn Heights some apartments cost more than apartments in some areas of Manhattan. Areas like Williamsburg, Dumbo, Ft. Greene, Greenpoint, Clinton Hill, Cobble Hill and Park Slope, while cheaper than Manhattan, are much more expensive and exclusive and competitive to live in than the rest of Brooklyn.
So it goes from high end rich Brooklyn (Bk Heights) to hip and trendy fully gentrified expensive Brooklyn (Dumbo, Park Slope, Williamsburg) to currently gentrifying Brooklyn (parts of Sunset Park and parts of Bed-Stuy) to all-out shitholes.
So some parts of Brooklyn can still be expensive and confer status.
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Brooklyn is the new Manhattan and the Bronx is the new Brooklyn.
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FRIGGIN’ GUILIANI!!
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I lived in Georgetown for one summer 10 years ago. I’ve lived in Manhattan since 2005. I’ve been reading Roissy talking about DC for about a year now, and while I remember thinking there were quite a few hot chicks in DC, they were mostly typical run-of-the-mill suburban Americans; it has always seems to me that New York is just teeming, overflowing, bursting with hot girls of every shape, ethnicity, age and style. But I didn’t trust my own memory.
Roissy has confirmed that I was right. He now knows, or is beginning to realize, what I have known for some time: that as his blog nears critical mass (300 comments per post) he must move to NYC, quit his day job, cast off the cloak of anonymity that is hindering his ultimate manifestation as writer, celebrity, life-coach and PUA extraordinaire. New York calls to him. He knows it is his destiny. Only when he has taken the plunge, the ultimate risk, will he become truly famous – the hundreds of women who sit in coffee shops loathing Roissy the anonymous blogger will become the new throbbing thousands of groupies begging to meet (fuck) Roissy, the celebrity commentator, author, syndicated columnist and advocate of a new paradigm of manhood. Once he acheives a reputation as wickedly insightful asshole men’s writer, he can slap female publisher’s asses in public, debate feminist professors on television and become an influential voice as THE prophet of the rebirth of the alpha male.
More powerful than Katherine McKinnon could have ever imagined.
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In NYC your social circle dictates what girls you’ll end up meeting. Unless you have spectacular game and a big wallet, your social circle is your only gateway to pussy. Believe me. This is how I met almost all the girls I ever banged here, including my wife.
NYC girls outside of your social circle are incredibly tough nuts to crack.
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to currently gentrifying Brooklyn (parts of Sunset Park and parts of Bed-Stuy) to all-out shitholes.
I’d argue that there’s an in between type of neighbourhood called bland and safe. Areas like Sheepshead Bay, Midwood, Bay Ridge, or Bensonhurst which are somewhat white with sizable minority populations in small apartment buildings and two family homes. The only downside is that the commutes are longer and sometimes require long waits for a bus to the subway. They’re neighbourhoods for David Alexander types…
BTW, I must note that while Manhattan women are beautiful, I’ve noted that some of the hottest women are found at Penn Station waiting for their trains back to the suburbs. Mind you, my tastes are off, and the suburban women meet the “sexual” ringer more than the WASPy looking Manhattan women.
And God bless the hipsters, their trust funds. They’re helping to keep this city afloat financially…
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Ricky – good description, thanks. The most recent genuine arts scene with a lasting product that I can think of is the Seattle Grunge that went worldwide during the early 90s.
It would seem that artists (the real ones, and ones who are on the avant garde of a genuine new movement) don’t go “where it’s at.” They go “where it’s cheap.”
If for some reason run-down parts of Cleveland or Wichita start pulling talented young people, it will have been similar to what NYC and Seattle did decades earlier.
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You NYC fuckers are making me wanna visit the city & boroughs this weekend for old times sake. Damn, it’s an interesting place 🙂
Being on the topic of the Boroughs, what the hell was Rod Stuart singing about here, in this song “Downtown Train,” circa 1989? He no like Guidas?
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Actually, throw in that fifth type of Brooklyn neighborhood David Alexander described like Bay Ridge and Sheepshead Bay. He was dead on about that. They’re so bland and safe I actually forgot about them when describing Brooklyn. Very forgettable and uneventful but good for raising kids in.
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I’ve been reading along and thinking to myself; I’d like someone to help me on this.
On the one side a lot of my White Brothers want to just have fun, but on the other side they place a very high value on Women who by their very nature are antithetical to “party girl” life.
I’m having trouble making sense of this contradiction; clearly in your goal is to settle down, then hitting the bars and clubs ain’t the way to do it, because the kinds of gals there wouldn’t be amenable to such a thing.
So, why don’t more of my White Brothers go to places like churches, and the flyover areas of America’s heartland, if they want to settle down?
It occurs to me that many of you want to have it both ways, an uninhibited party girl who’s down for whatever, coexisting with the down home cornfed gal who would make a great spouse.
From my observation, White folks, and in this case White Men, seem to overburden themselves w/things like status, or all these other things that, if you’re out to have a good time, shouldn’t matter anyway. White Women seem to have this thing going on too, but as this is primarily a venue directed to Men, I’m focusing more on tht side.
As an African American, one that has been to many parties and social gatherings, ie mating grounds, I just don’t see that same degree of angst and anxiety. To be sure, Black folks have their problems, you all know what they are; but simply meeting and bedding Women don’t seem to be one of them. Wite guys, many of them, to me, make the whole thing out to be much more laboured than it needs to be. Even when I read Roissy’s posts where he details certain Game methods he’s used, it all comes accross as a kind of overkill, if that makes sense. Mind you, I’m not disputing his methods’ effectiveness, nor his writing style; just merely noting how much of an ordeal it all looks to me.
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The Obsidian
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Most of them have one or two Jappy wannabe Sex and the City girlfriends whose lives they basically subsidize, and who often fuck bartenders and low-level actors behind their backs while they’re working 80-hour weeks
precisely. to be able to live in denial, they overwork A LOT.
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Obsidian –
Men want to fuck sluts while they’re young, and then settle down with a good girl when they want to get married. I think that makes pretty good sense, no?
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T,
You have some accurate points about hipster culture and NYC stuff, but I you also echo a lot of shit I hear from people who are just making generalizations about people from their appearances too. NYC is definitely overflowing with trust fund kids/NYU students, etc, who identify with and participate in the superficial type of hipster culture. Since anyone genuinely cool has been priced out of manhattan, this will be the case unless something huge happens (depression maybe?). But I think its too easy to always talk about the ‘good old days’ and how nothing is good anymore, and all these hipsters are fake ass wannabes, etc. Thats a pretty tired attitude, and while it has some validity, it completely discounts a lot of good shit that has been/is going on. Music-wise, your example of the strokes doesnt hold up because not only have they been relevant since theyve come out (though some people hate on the last record) they simply havent come out with a new album in a while. And regarding good bands to come out of the Wberg/BK scene recently, two of the best bands around right now are from there – TV on the Radio and Yeah Yeah Yeahs. There are plenty of others.
But in general, I would say its become much easier for people to stay connected to “cutting edge fashion” and trends, etc, through things like the internet, so you see a lot more people dressing gay/trendy, whereas before it was mostly those directly involved in particular scenes, like actual artists/musicians, etc.
And regardless of being ‘artsy’ or actually being an artist or whatever, I think bartender types will always get laid easier. It helps if you have some knowledge/command of interesting culture, being well read, etc, which I think is more whats going on there than just being generically “artsy” or fake hipster or whatever youre talking about.
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T-Rickey Raw–
They’re practicing for their marriages.
Now, who thinks these big money guys SHOULDN’T get serious pre-nups. And a vasectomy.
Such is the state of hot big city women in hyper feminist America. (Or very often so, with always the threat of a transition to there.)
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Well the other thing is they date other I-Banker or BigLaw chicks who don’t cheat because they are working similarly long hours. But it’s hardly the “swimming in women” lifestyle people normally associate with high powered alphas. What people don’t get is like intellectual pursuits, swimming in women requires a certain amount of leisure time, both to keep your game sharp and to maximize opportunities. Bartenders and actors have leisure time in spades.
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wow Roark, why don’t you unzip Roissy and put him in your mouth?
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“NYC girls outside of your social circle are incredibly tough nuts to crack.”
Seems so. The few times I was in DC I have met more friendly and approachable girls than in six months in NYC. Part of my problem is the vast majority of my friends have girlfriends, and the others for some reason aren’t as interested in getting laid as I am.
Hanging out near NYU sounds like it could work though. I know it’s a place where the female to straight male ratio is very high.
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Obsidian:
I agree. I’ve been baffled by the disconnection b/w being distressed at the thin dating pool and the desire for fast, easy sex. It seems to me that one creates the other.
I value this blog more for the HBD and masculinity dynamic rather than Game, and I can’t help but notice the latter is not necessarily the friend of the former. I’m belaboring the point, but if Game is successful, women’s “marriability” declines. Also, in PUA Game, such high value is placed on scoring women, men get their value from success w/ said women.
This creates a system where men who are *still* unsuccessful or relatively so are devalued even more. Game provides for a re-ordering of the totem pole, not for a reclamation of men’s identitiy and position of power in the relationship, which I believe, coupled with other important societal changes, is one of the keys to fixing some of the problems in our world.
I further agree with your point on the differences b/w black dudes and white’s Game. Black guys, who I’ll grant have had more practice with Game throughout their lives, come at it w/ less of a PUA viewpoint. They don’t place such high value on getting the score. They aren’t as afraid to approach many women during a given night. Their # of strikeouts is higher than white men, but so is their # of successes.
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PA–
What really happens in NYC is that artists discover / start “colonizing” a new cheap area of NYC and start making it way more hip, with way more amenities — like cheap restaurants and sorta happen bars and so on. Then it become really hip with a new admixture of more expensive (but still no many very very) restaurants and bars, with the later drawing way hotter girls, of the boho variety. And so the rents start going up.
Except NYC also has pretty extensive rent stablization (control) so many apartments will remain cheap and only creap up in price — but those apartments won’t change hands and when they do only friend to friend, or are clued in on what’s about to hit the market before it does. So a lot of the original artist core remains but newcomers need higher incomes to move in, on average. Fueling another leg up in amenities in the area and rents.
This process is in its later stages in Williamsburg, Brooklyn now. Before that it was DUMBO, below the Brooklyn bridge, with lots of lofts in that area. (Good convertible housing stock in disuse or very poor hands is a big plus in the original arty homesteading choices.) Actually Harlem has been going through some of this too, or some areas have.
Before that it was in fact the East Village and surrounding areas. And before that Soho and surrounding areas. Yeah, 30 years ago Soho was just starting to become glam and was still sorta affordable – in the 70s. In the sixties when that area began it was MONDO cheap for huge artist spaces. That’s why Soho is today Soho.
Hell before that it was Greenwich Village proper, which yeah was cheap at one time. And there are still cheap rent stabalized places in all these areas. Just hard to pry loose.
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PA —
But this ain’t gonna happen much in Cleveland just because it’s cheap. Artsy types want to be in a sophisticated and in fact high end urban environment. The overall I mean. They just want to find a cheap but low crime corner of that metropolis — and repeatedly do.
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Seems so. The few times I was in DC I have met more friendly and approachable girls than in six months in NYC. Part of my problem is the vast majority of my friends have girlfriends, and the others for some reason aren’t as interested in getting laid as I am.
Jack et. al., you guys sound like you’ve got a bit of approach anxiety. Street game is not your only option. There are plenty of other venues to meet women in NYC but I understand where you guys are coming from. NY women do have very high bitch shields because the environment can be a bit desensitizing. There’s a lot of people, a lot of noise, a lot of shit in your face, exclusive of the homeless smelly ass stinking up the subway car. In fact, the longer a girl has lived in NYC, the less approachable she becomes until she hits the wall with the force of 1,000 Hiroshimas. However, if you can navigate that initial interaction well, it will pay off. I haven’t had a single girlfriend that was part of my social circle since moving to the city. I may have hooked up with a girl in my social circle during a wild night out but that’s rare ’cause I like to draw a line with friends. You’ve got to be gregarious though, that’s the key.
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T – Rickey Raw
Yeah, mostly. Though I bank traders do often have enough time and do sometimes swim in women. Models etc. Not so much Biglaw guys, who seem to usually date other brainy professionals, often other lawyers.
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“a lot of my White Brothers want to just have fun, but on the other side they place a very high value on Women who by their very nature are antithetical to “party girl” life… why don’t more of my White Brothers go to places like churches, and the flyover areas of America’s heartland, if they want to settle down?”
White folks are conflicted because they are brain-washed by the white images they see in the media. White Americans are taught to “want it all” and that they can “have it all”. A false sense of white entitlement.
Example: the Don Draper character — a successful, career guy with a wife who’s fucking broads left and right. The reality is that most successful guys are busy working themselves to death and guys who get the most pussy aren’t all that successful, but the media makes it seem attainable.
It’s natural that someone growing bombarded by this shit believes a club girl can be a good GF or that a church girl can be a sex goddess.
“As an African American… I just don’t see that same degree of angst and anxiety. To be sure, Black folks have their problems, you all know what they are; but simply meeting and bedding Women don’t seem to be one of them.”
That’s because black chicks like sex. White chicks may or may not like sex. They also suffer from the “want it all/have it all” lie. They’re busy attempting to EMULATE the conflicted white women they see portrayed in the media: feminist, sexpot, rich, competitive, virginal, etc.
Black women are not constrained by such media mind-rot. They can cut loose and just enjoy sex.
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I’ve heard the same about NYC from my two buddies who live there. Sadly, one brought his long-time girlfriend with him when he relocated there.
– Ricky raw’s right about leisure time, when i was unemployed i slayed broads left and right. now that I have a job, not so much.
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T — Ricky Raw —
But if shear number of acceptably hot notches on the belt is the metric, as opposed to getting and holding on at least for a while to the hottest, then bartenders, out of work actors working as waiters or bartenders, and artsy types have that niche cornered, pretty much.
It’s called decadence.
Particularly when and if guys who could achieve a lot in their work says screw it, more skirt is more fun and work achievement beyond a point doesn’t optimize that, and so don’t much. Like probably Roissy, though I don’t know what he does any more than anyone else who’s not one of his wingmen, etc.
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Anon —
Don Draper types did and do exist. It’s really only since the mid 80s or so, and accelerating since, that most of the highest income professions began to involve such incredibly long hours.
Actually to some extent that’s overdone. But they do tend to be that way for guys in their post grad middle twenties until early or mid thirties. Then several years into Managing Director or Biglaw partner or post resident doctor, the hours go way down, and VP and associate or intern and junior resident slaves usually save you from having to do the horrendous hours, unless you’re in M&A and at a critical point in a mondo deal. Trouble is we’re talking about a guy’s horniest years, at least other than college, being when the big money hours are the most horrendous.
It’s a lot easier to understand the large proclivity of highly successful men to do some cheating once they’ve passed through to the good side, time, money and status wise, of the horrendous hours hump. If he’s got a high sex drive, it’s damn near irresistible.
Better have a pre-nup or live together instead. And better have marriage game. If he’s just got money alpha going, divorce theft city without, but maybe even with, esp. if she’s convinced him to let her pop out kids.
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Seeking Alpha,
Of course, what you say is true for the most part; the problem as I observe it, is that it seems that some White guys tend to hold on to the notion that haunts full of party girls also contain good girls for LTRs. Im not disputing the off chance that one can meet the love of their life in a dive bar, but cmon-such a notion in the main, is a bit problematic, yes?
That’s why I’m a bit mystified by the idea of trying to grab up the cream of the crop honies, only to pump and dump her later. What’s the point? Seems to me lots easier to, if your goal is just to get a one night stand, set your sights on say, a solid 7, and roll out. Seems to me a lot of White guys place an undue amount of focus on things that would definitely be important for the longhaul, but instead are using that criteria in bars and the like.
I just find that both fascinating and a bit bothersome to me.
Chuck, I think there is a kind of avoidance that takes place when the topic of just how much things have changed comes up. I find that a lot of the discussion tends to stay in the “ism” area, where different lines of reasoning come into play. Feminism, for example, is indicative of this.
But what neither the feminists nor those on the other side want to squarely confront, and here I have to note Whiskey’s oft-repeated commentaries, the simple fact that the Pill, Abortion on Demand, Education and attendant Economic Freedom, have shifted the balance of power wholly away from Men to Women (Whiskey would also add to the list, Urban living, where gals can do their thing w/o having to wory about it getting back to their parents, etc, thus bringing shame on her; after thinking this through, I must concede that he’s gotta point), and that the only real way to redress this is to rollback at least some of these developments.
And therein lay the trick. Quiet as its kept, a lot of guys don’t really want to be on the hook in the traditional Male role. What they want is to be able to have sexual access to the choicest females, on demand, w/as few, if any, strings attached. I’m not going to argue whether that’s good or bad, right or wrong; just merely noting the simple fact that the aforemention strides and changes that happened over the past four decades could not have happened had it not been for Men who were willing to help such changes come about. Women couldn’t do it alone.
And, w/a growing and real, “marriage strike” picking up steam among American Males, I really don’t see any retrenchment of the aforementioned things that have made it possible to grant Women such options in our time.
However, should there be such a move toward “parity” here’s my guess of what it could look like:
Mandatory paternity testing regardless of marital status of the couple upon the birth of a new baby; refusal to do so means the mother gets no help from the State. Period. However, various charitable groups can help her, if they wish (so long as said groups get no such help themselves from the govt)
Restrictions placed on abortion; minor aged girls (under 18) *must* have the consent of at least one parent before the procedure can be performed. No late term abortions except in the case of medical emergency (threat to the mother), and married Women must inform the hubbie of the decision to abort (this wouldn’t apply in cohabitating couples; only those couples who have rings and “papers” on each other)
Actual means testing of Women wishing to enter the working world. A degree in art history or english should not qualify for a career the professions where neither english lit or art history are actually dealt with. If she wishes to work in say, advertising, then she should have a degree in marketing, and so on.
Ending no fault divorce laws, make the division of assets etc more equitable, etc. Mandatory joint custody of children unless one parent is proven beyond reasonable doubt that they are unfit
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head, and I think they *are* doable. Whether we as a society have the will to implement them, and here I must include Men, remains to be seen.
The Obsidian
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God that was long Obsidian. I don’t think there are any men who are looking for long-term girlfriends in bars – white guys or otherwise.
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Exactly. A huge part of it was the huge salary booms in the 80s. Money was great, the economy was booming and firms were having bidding wars to get the best people, spending money left and right on starting salaries. What people didn’t realize was that to make up for this exorbitant upshoot in salary, firms started demanding WAY more hours of work to help offset the new higher salaries.
In 1960 a Don Draper was definitely possible though.
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all ye need know about them is
New Yawkas have nice asses bc they don’t have cars.
They also brag about car dearth endlessley.
enoughsaid
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Obsidian:
“just merely noting the simple fact that the aforemention strides and changes that happened over the past four decades could not have happened had it not been for Men who were willing to help such changes come about. Women couldn’t do it alone. ”
Agreed. If you can find it, check out the book “The Male in Crisis” by Karl Bednarik. It was written in the late 1960s/early 1970s and discusses the fact that men were the shapers of this current landscape. It was men who “allowed” for the feminist movement to take hold. It was male scientists who invented the Pill and abortion. Men made their own bed, fill in the rest.
This holds in social areas as well. Roissy and others have spoken about how beta males uphold the woman as virtuous at almost all cost. This is of course where the SWPL, left-sympathizing comes into play. Those types are de facto the same as the guys who invented the Pill and advocated equality at all costs. It is counterproductive for our society, but it is *man* made. Roissy’s call for social shaming of women and betas is part of the elixir; the other part involves a retooling of the legal system.
I tend to believe though, that the woman-hating streak present in a lot of commenters here is misguided. Most of the hate should be aimed inward, back at ourselves as men. As I’ve said before, the use of pump-and-dump mixed with an attitude of “us against them”, although fun at times, will do nothing to solve our “problem”.
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The only good thing about new yawk
Sean Avery
and his kickastarfucer mentality
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Off topic, a oldie but a goodie:
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NYC where you can get a reuben sandwitch with the meat sliced right before they put it on the bread. Same with the cheese. Man I miss those Sandwitches. Yea nice looking woman there are what makes looking at the homeless and crazies worthwhile. Where I went people definetly had a sence of community in the community. Sad part is as prices go up they are replacing what made it the community with just high rise apartments. Oh well progress.
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Well, actually, in New York, the sophisticated, cosmopolitan Gotham way to announce it is “aaaay, my fuckin’ girlfriend isonna muthafuckin’ billboard, yo!”
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…then brag about your dizzying array of pizza and bagel shops, the museums and 911 all while pissing in an alley
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firepower, that’s more reflective of Bergen County/LI/Parts of Westchester and Southern CT.
The propensity of people in NYC (ESPECIALLY Manhattan) you’d meet at a bar are transplants.
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You ain’t bsn on the pissing in alleys on walls in bottles. Definetly some wierd shit.
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is that it seems that some White guys tend to hold on to the notion that haunts full of party girls also contain good girls for LTRs
The Whiskey types tend to argue that it’s because there’s nowhere else for men to meet women since work is off-limits. Mind you, since I have no idea of how to meet women, my answer on this topic is highly theoretical.
That’s why I’m a bit mystified by the idea of trying to grab up the cream of the crop honies, only to pump and dump her later.
White guys (and some of us snotty oreo Caribbean types) are pickier about women since we need women for the long-term who meet what we’re expected to bring back home. The pump and dump is simply the desire to bang hot girls and maximize sexual opportunities with as many women as possible.
Restrictions placed on abortion
No. Abortion today, abortion tomorrow, abortion forever. And with taxpayer dollars and no parental or spousal notification. The last thing that I want is a women from a less liberal cultural background getting beaten or killed or isolated for taking a decision to avoid pregnancy.
Mandatory joint custody of children unless one parent is proven beyond reasonable doubt that they are unfit
I would add tax deductions for child support, and itemization of all expenses paid for by child support. I would also add registries of divorced parent addresses in order to ensure parents cannot simply disappear without children.
A degree in art history or english should not qualify for a career the professions where neither english lit or art history are actually dealt with
Depending on who you talk to, it simply hurts flexibility within the labour market. There is nothing that magically prevents an intelligent person who studies the humanities from doing well in other fields, and employers should be free to take the risk on such candidates.
Urban living, where gals can do their thing w/o having to wory about it getting back to their parents
Except some girls live in urban areas with their parents and they engage in the behaviours in question.
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“Whether we as a society have the will to implement them, and here I must include Men, remains to be seen. ”
Obsidian your list was a great one. White feminist women have been fighting tooth and nail for their interests, and theirs alone, for 50 years. The question is whether men, mostly white ones, will ever wake up and do the same. It is up to MEN to change things.
The dicohotomy between wanting fun with sluts and long term relationships with good girls isn’t hard to understand. It’s how men have always been. We look to easy girls for no strings sex then look to nicer, less promiscuous girls for marriage/LTRs. Problem is nowadays, we have a situation where the vast majority of women are in the slutty group, especially in big anonymous cities. So therefore, me and many other guys have basically given up on marriage. We were given this world, and we might as well have the fun we can with it, therefore Game.
Ok, the only places I can realistically imagine a pickup in NYC are bars and maybe coffeeshops. Hanging around colleges is an option but I’d have to think of a reason for being there.
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unfortunately, this sounds like any night in an UES bar.
advice: go downtown. avoid bridge-and-tunnel accents.
~trix
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