It’s time for another test of your game.
You’re enjoying the mild night air on the rooftop of a trendy lounge. In the corner you spot a short-haired, vaguely punkish pixie, with eyes like saucer plates. She catches your look and smiles… lasciviously, under heavy lids. Oh yes, this hellsprite has the right stuff.
A minute later she walks by you. Sensing an opportunity, you interrupt her as she passes: “Hey, what’s making you smile so much?” She locks her eyes on yours, smiles mischievously, and walks right past, slowly, saying absolutely nothing, brushing heavily against your chest along the way. You are intrigued.
Ten minutes later she returns and takes up her previous position near the edge of the roofdeck, seemingly in the company of a mixed group but talking to no one. She is facing outward toward the open night. You move closer to her and order another drink at the bar. Grabbing your fresh drink, you 180 and face the same direction as your mystery girl, standing side by side with her. You are about to say something when she breaks the tension first.
“It’s my birthday today.”
“Oh, really? Happy birthday. Get any awesome gifts?”
“Do you like watching people down below?” She is pointing over the roof edge at a couple crossing the street.
“Only the drunk ones.” Is this girl simply strange, or is she running some kind of female game on you? Whatever it is, you are captivated.
“I live in the neighborhood.” She thrusts her arm up and waves to some imaginary figure on a distant apartment roof. “Over there.”
“Yeah, I do too. Hi neighbor.”
You exchange insights with her about the neighborhood you share. It’s better on the weeknights. People treat their dogs like children. The local coffeeshop is a horrible place to meet attractive strangers. This rooftop has the best view of the President’s bedroom. Not more than a few minutes go by.
Suddenly, she turns to face you completely and rests her hand on your forearm. Silently, still smiling from under her pixie eyelids, she makes intense eye contact. She utters not a peep, nor does she have an expectant look on her face like she’s waiting for you to pick up the conversational slack. Her behavior is incomprehensible to you. You wish she is drunk so you can have a tidy explanation. But, no, she’s in control of herself.
“It’s time for me to go.”
You realize there has not been enough interaction to ensure a solid number close. “Ok. Hey, you’re interesting. Let’s chat again sometime. What’s your number?”
“No, I don”t give out my number.” Her obscenely sensual smile hasn’t dropped and her hand hasn’t left your forearm. “You’re attractive, I think.” The longest three seconds pass. Her eyes are burning holes in yours. “You can have my email.” As she’s saying this, her hand finally leaves your forearm and she begins to walk off.
“What is it?” You don’t have a pen.
She recites her email as she’s taking steps backwards from you. You can barely hear her through the crowd noise, so you’re not sure if you got it right, or if you can remember it later. The moment is disintegrating rapidly.
What do you do?
Let’s see, the options are either:
a. Do nothing
b. Run after her
c. garner any info out of the ppl she was with and Facebook stalk her
d. run into her at the same bar in the future since she lives nearby
I’d go with a) for the short-term with an eye on d).
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1) Travel back in time 30 seconds and say, “No, it’s time for US to go.”
2) If time travel is unavailable, say, “Do you have a pen in your apartment I could use?”
3) If you are in a club and don’t have 30 seconds to think up something so pithy, say, “I didn’t catch that. How about I just come with you?”
Whatever I do, I hope it works. This girl sounds like fun.
Zdeno
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She’s a c-tease.
I_G_N_O_R_E.
Then start gaming her friend.
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Since you are mis-hearing her email address try making fun of it, loudly
example:
She says:
“tiffanyAmberTheisen@yahoo”
You say:
“tiffanyAfterBacon!?!”
If she continues the escape she is trying to bait you… let her know it was her loss with a look that questions her games.
You can use it as an opener if you see each other again.
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I wouldn’t open with a question or continue with an even lamer question “Get any awesome gifts?”. Questions are beta.
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she can go home and flick the bean if she’s unwilling to at least give you some vocal/acknowledgeable sign of interest. too many fish in the sea for her to pull all the strings from the start.
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My 2nd vote (my first still holds):
On second thought, go up to her before she gets out the door, grab her, bend her over, and plant a long french one on her. Then drop her on the floor and walk out the door yourself ahead of her.
8 out 10 times, I’d bet she’d come right after you. She’s about power and sex, and you just turned both on her.
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Back up to earlier in the story, when she has “eyes like saucer plates”.
Go up to her, introduce yourself, pull out a bag of 20 E-tabs and say “This place sucks, Grab your two hottest girlfriends, We are going to my house”.
Enjoy.
– MPM
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Forget her and go up talk to some other hot girl there.
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Settling for an email is weaksauce.
Walk towards her, never breaking eye contact, with a smile that on your face that says “I get a joke you don’t get” (the joke is that she is totally into you).
“You can’t walk away from me just like that. I’m (name)..”
At this point, get your phone back out, look down at it, look back up at her and say “What is it…?”
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the Reef isn’t trendy.
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Sounds like she wants it here & now, not later. She’s itching. She is not interested in your calling her or emailing her whenever. Proper game would be to bang her that very evening — no, that very moment — in the coat closet or wherever.
If I were in that situation and feeling confident and turned on while having the conversation you just described, I’d probably have thought of something that would have gotten us alone… but in my work-mode at this moment from behind a work computer, I am not feeling the hormones surge, so I can’t say what the effective thing would to do/say would be.
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Walk towards her, take your open hand up and back, and bring it down right across her face. She’s into BDSM, so she’ll dig it.
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What does the Obsidian do?
Nothing. Alarms are ringing inside my head.
The whole thing feels creepy to me, and as a rule, I tend to like to move at a bit slower pace. The whole email thing was whacked, too.
O
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I’d say loudly with a commanding voice and a grin.
“GIRL… STOP!”
“your not allowed to leave, I’m talking to you. ”
It works all the time.
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That was my impression too: If she wasn’t just being a tease, she just wanted an anonymous birthday hookup.
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I would just walk away.
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She wants it. Start walking toward her, grab her hand and pull her out the door with you to your place. That’s calling her bluff. If she starts talking, plant one on her lips. If she”s not cool with all that, she’s been playing you.
That, or give her the E like G Man says.
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I’m a girl, but this sounds like a situation to hold up your hands and say, “Whoa, I’m not looking for an online relationship,” with a freak-alert suspicious look. It can let her know that you might think she’s cute, but you’re not going to jump through any hoops.
She doesn’t seem to be blowing you off, but she might have a boyfriend, and this is why she doesn’t give her phone number. So the thing to do is kind of out-alpha whoever she’s dating.
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A woman that signals that much raw sensuality is looking to be carried away in the moment. Such coquetishness requires strong masculinity.
Go after her, grab her by the hand, and without breaking eye contact say, “you’re not walking away from me, not like that.” Pause. Wait for her reaction. If she recoils, forget her. If she doesn’t break eye contact, follow it up with, “lets get out of here.”
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Shes a Cocktease/Hard to impress…. anything besides let her go and you lose. Shes probably waiting for the moon and stars to show her the way, so the best bet is to catch her on another day. She does live in the neighborhood and the silly girl will probably think its fate.
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What do I do?
Don’t show her so many IOIs – “get any gifts?”
Use Stanley Kowalski’s reply instead: “Oh…that’s NICE.”
Or better: “Now, whazatgonnabe Iwonder?”
Just at the delectable, angst-filled crux of the moment where she thinks me Dick Neanderthal…I whip out my literati game and accuse her of pulling Audrey Hepburn saucer-eyes gamine game on me.
And accuse her of freshly reading Capote’s “Breakfast At Tiffany’s” and copping the Holly Golightly air. Just as original as some no0b frosh spouting Plato’s Republic like he’s the first person to have ever read it.
Holly was a prostitute.
I am a dick
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Chalk tonight up to the game, hit on whoever else you’d like or do whatever it is you do when you’re trying to enjoy your night. And then if you run into her in the neighborhood, open with a raised eyebrow crack that chides her for bailing.
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she knows what she’s doing. if she were interested, she would have given you her number. she’s just having fun toying with you.
if you do anything else, 9 times out of 10 it’s going to reek of desperation. she’s a tease.
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although, DF might be right.
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“A Test Of Your Game
You’re enjoying the mild night air on the rooftop of a trendy lounge. In the corner you spot a short-haired, vaguely punkish pixie, with eyes like saucer plates.”
I fail the test. First, I wouldn’t be caught dead “on the rooftop of a trendy lounge”, wasting my time and money on overpriced drinks sitting amid boring whiterpeople. Second, I’d avoid a girl like the one in question like the plague.
Jerking off is so much easier. As Philip Larkin noted, you get it over in a hurry and then have the rest of the evening free to yourself, and you don’t have to deal with jerks and whores in bars.
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—What does the Obsidian do?
Nothing. Alarms are ringing inside my head.
The whole thing feels creepy to me, and as a rule, I tend to like to move at a bit slower pace. The whole email thing was whacked, too.—
Yeah, she could be a serial killer! Idiot.
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Assuming this was a true story, you ran into a Waif Heartbreaker who recognised you as a Game-player and decided to pull the same on you. At a guess, I’d say she’s very attracted to you but wants to make you work for her a little, to prove the depth of your interest. You probably won’t catch her just by running your ordinary short-term Game, ’cause she’ll see through it. You’ll have to make this a longer-term, blow hot and then cold approach – if she’s worth it to you.
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You do nothing but stand there with a bemused smirk. One of two things will happen, both of them good enough:
– this flakiness doesn’t go anywhere because you didn’t email her attention-seeking self, or run after her. Thus you avoid the annoyances of a big-time flake before the first and second dates.
– she is intrigued by your remaining calm and in control. She leaves. She seeks you out later through mutual people at the party. Most girls don’t do this, but waif heartbreakers do. You recognize it won’t go anywhere but enjoy her company in the meantime.
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Am I made of stone? if she is comfy breaking the touch barrier close it. She releases to step away, real it back in. Reciprocate and match the body language. Before letting her skip away ask q’s like why do you have to go and do you want company. Shoot the moon and close, but wrap it up.
She’s either a tranny or an unashamed extrovert nympho.
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wilson pickett
where’s the Philip Larkin quote from
must have
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take a couple long steps after and apply bear hug. lift off ground, set back down. “I dont want your email adress.”
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Stamm,
Easy bro, the line of admirers forms to the left.
And, she *could indeed be* a serial killer; they do come in the female form, don’t you know. Does the name Elizabeth Bathory ring a bell?
😉
O
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Um, according to Roissy, you should do the following:
Wait until she turns away, then run up, whip her around, and smack her in the face. That will really make her want you.
Seriously:
You should have moved in for a kiss way back there, before dribbling stupid chit chat on her. At this point, it’s almost lost. But, you could try this –
Wait until she turns around, then move up from behind and put your hand on her neck. Move it up into her hair, grab her hair, and slowly lean her back while twisting her to face you, and kiss from a position of total control. Then say “let’s go” and move out.
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DF, I don’t know…the pixie haircut thing got me thinking “wash and go girl”.
Almost invariably, petite girls I know with short hair are female Peter Pans. They flake alot, and they’re usually of a physical type that every guy they meet is trying to shag them. The pixie cut or pixie-bed-head in particular is kind of like a halo that accentuates the face, and doesn’t distract from the body.
Since just about every guy they meet wants to shag them, they have a few ways of coping. The “good girl” who’s an artsy half Lesbian is juggling multiple commitment candidates. Sometimes you might get in by being the “bad boy” vacation, but she has alot of those on call too.
Email address from her means you get on her “break glass in case of emergency” list for when she’s bored. She will expect you to pay for everything on dates or even regular outings that aren’t date-dates. Her male friends even pay her way (because they want to shag her), and the few who don’t want to shag her (because they’re Gay or repelled by the overly high sense of entitlement), she loses because of exploiting them.
I had the short, flock of seagulls thing going in high school for awhile, and a kind of fade in college. I let my hair grow out because I got sick of being classed as this sort of Peter Pan type. Longer hair is a bit cumbersome, but it’s worth the sacrifice for a woman under 5’6″. I won’t be cutting it again until I’m old enough to make it look dignified-artsy-old-lady.
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I would throw one final lob pitch, e.g. “You’re gonna end your birthday like that?”, and if nothing sticks, I’d shrug my shoulders and move on to the next one. She obviously wants to be chased, but don’t degrade yourself like that.
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I should let her go, because she’s teasing me, but a girl like that is fucking irresistible to me.
There’s no way I could let her leave, I’d chase her down.
“I know what you’re doing and it’s working, but I don’t care. You are not leaving without at least giving me a phone number.”
Probably pretty beta of me, but you just described my weakness.
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Firepower: here’s the Larkin quote, from “Philip Larkin: A Writer’s Life”, in a letter to Kingsley Amis:
“I don’t want to take a girl out and spend circa 5 pounds when I can toss off in five minutes, free, and have the rest of the evening to myself.”
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I think you’re supposed to say “I can’t hear you.”
GOD DAMN MY GAME IS FUCKING BRILLIANT I SHOULD RUN A BOOT CAMP.
One thing I don’t do is physically follow her to get closer so I can hear better. I say I can’t hear her and stay where I am, waiting for her to walk back to me to say her email address or simply shout it loudly.
I think Antonio’s response is the absolute best, but I doubt I’d be mentally quick enough to do that in a real situation.
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First I would take a few quick steps toward her, and neg her on her choice of email provider. If she said yahoo say gmail is better and vice versa.
Then I would firmly take her hand and lead her out the bar. Once outside I would ask her “I bet you don’t even have a cell phone number. Do you even have power?” When she replied “Yes I do have a number and yes I do have power” I would say “Sure you do. Come to my place an enjoy some fresh DC power.”
Game over.
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What is this ten minutes later bull shittake? You blew your chance there. If she passes by you and doesn’t reply to your smile remark and then you wait ten minutes to approach her, you’ve got no sack. You lost it there.
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No matter what you “do” ypu’re still an asshole, so it doesn’t really matter.
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See, I’m still a bimbo no matter what I do. Can’t even spell with spell check on.
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Why would I be at a trendy lounge? ZZZZZZZZ
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Grab her by the shoulder and spin her around so she’s facing you. Plant the steel toe in her gut so she keels over, then deliver the Stone Cold Stunner. As she writhes on the ground, give her two middle fingers. Make sure your wingman has been cued to break some glass at this point.
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Make a note of it in my iPhone and hit her up in a few days. If it’s right, awesome, if not, fuck it… At some point in the not-too-distant future I would kick it at same bar again and see if she reappears. If not, no worries.
She is obviously a chick who likes being in control. The next encounter would require me to manipulate her to the point where she is no longer in control. I don’t think cocky and funny game would work on her. I imagine being as nonchalant and aloof as possible would do it. Most likely, this bitch LOVES it when guys fall all over themselves to get at her. This gives her power, a higher value, and the control she craves.
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She is just testing out her powers. Following/hollering after her is exactly what she wants.
Leading a man around by the nose after talking to him for three minutes is a hell of a power-trip.
Best thing to do is shrug it off for now and wait till she turns up again…. which she will, because the game is a big rush for her, much bigger than sex itself.
Then you just act as if she’s your kid sister’s slightly annoying dorky friend.
Dudes hang themselves over this kind of girl, though, in the long run. It’s crazy, but they love it. A girl’s version of asshole game, I suppose.
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I pull a cuban cigar out of the pocket of my $10,000 Armani suit and ask if she wants to roll out in my McLaren F-1.
-PMP
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snort.
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omw to my fucking anus you are
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wilson pickett
Firepower: here’s the Larkin quote, from “Philip Larkin: A Writer’s Life”, in a letter to Kingsley Amis:
“I don’t want to take a girl out and spend circa 5 pounds when I can toss off in five minutes, free, and have the rest of the evening to myself.”
THANK YOU!
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oyw to my fucking anus you are
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Kick a Bitch:
“She is obviously a chick who likes being in control. The next encounter would require me to manipulate her to the point where she is no longer in control. I don’t think cocky and funny game would work on her. I imagine being as nonchalant and aloof as possible would do it. Most likely, this bitch LOVES it when guys fall all over themselves to get at her. This gives her power, a higher value, and the control she craves.”
I agree w/ your assessment, but now I ask myself “is it worth it?” I don’t want to jump through flaming hoops and crawl through broken glass to get this bitch.
I just want to bust a nut not pass a kidney stone.
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massive fail. she ran game on you.
man leaves first. woman asks questions.
you should have been teasing her and making her laugh, to the point where you get the awkward silence where you know to ask for the phone number (or makeout). you should have been the mysterious one, not her.
but, what’s done is done.
maintain face. regain control. “sorry, the judge says I’m not allowed to use a computer for another 90 days. punch your number in my phone. it will be ok.” hand her phone. if she says no, then “aight”, and walk back to your boys.
el chief
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Stare at her blankly.
“You mumbled. Use your outside voice.”
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This is a tough one, if if I’m looking to uphold my dignity, I just move on, but if I simply have to have this girl, I might just go caveman. Take her by her wrist and go for the make out. High chance of failure, but I don’t think any witty one-liner is getting this chick.
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Gun kata all the way to the door and say, “I’m sorry, but I couldn’t hear you before with all the…” –shoot a straggler– “… noise. What was that email again?”
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haha… nice dbl post
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hell yeah it’s worth it. it’s not like he’d have to bend over backwards. just meet up with the bitch and run some who-gives-a-fuck game on the bitch and hopefully end up burying your cock deep in her ass.
sounds like a candidate for some a2m in my opinion. stupid bitch trying to play games, taste some poop-dick bitch.
BOOYAH!!!
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wow, i REALLY like to use the word bitch don’t i?
haha, misogyny rules…
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“on March 11, 2009 at 1:55 pm Cannon’s Canon
Grab her by the shoulder and spin her around so she’s facing you. Plant the steel toe in her gut so she keels over, then deliver the Stone Cold Stunner. As she writhes on the ground, give her two middle fingers. Make sure your wingman has been cued to break some glass at this point.”
OMFG Can’t stop laughing
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el chief wins.
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..with the C Manifesto a close second.
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“chuck
I agree w/ your assessment, but now I ask myself “is it worth it?” I don’t want to jump through flaming hoops and crawl through broken glass to get this bitch.
I just want to bust a nut not pass a kidney stone.”
This shit is gonna kill me
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el chief, good points, all of them, and a damn tight comeback. Respect.
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Should have used that as opportunity to offer to walk her home as the decent thing to do since someone not that long ago got shot around 2 blocks from there.
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Why are the new episodes of “Two and a Half Men” having Charlie go lovey-dovey beta over some chick and seeing a ball-busting female feminist shrink and paying her to become more sensitive?
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For real though, girlfriend sounds like a real weirdo, and I’ve learned to avoid such chicks like the plague.
Gotta be mindful of crazy chicks, brothers. Only takes one to do you in.
O
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Its a trick question people. There are no trendy lounges in DC!
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I refer you to The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon:
XV. Maintain your state control
“You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling…hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips.”
Disappearing acts being the key part.
I’d walk after her, slap her ass hard enough that other people turn to look, and when she turns around, continue walking right by with a sly grin, and see if she follows and tries to re-engage.
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for all the guys who think that letting her walk away is the best option:
Thinking that you MIGHT catch up with her later is leaving everything up to chance. It’s just as likely that she’ll percieve your “aloofness” as weakness. Who the fuck lets a women walk away from them? Men don’t take no for an answer. They take control of the situation, and women respect that.
Are you showing interest? of course
Are you giving her what she wants? possibly
It doesn’t matter.
I know guys that routinely buy girls drinks and compliment them. But they do it with confidence and dominance. And they routinely get laid.
Lee
PS my dick is bigger than your dick
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When she touches on the forearm, your opposite hand should’ve gone for her waist, even if its just a finger or two lightly touching.
After she said ‘want my email” you dismiss it with a smile and tell her “I don’t really do that” (meaning email) – it’s not complicated, its not over cutsey, it’s business. Then pull out your phone and look at her again, in the eyes.
Either she’ll give it and you’ve already past a single shit test or you’ll know that its a waste of time.
Some of these responses are way too assholish, you have to be willing to play along a little at the beginning.
I had a similar situation where I met a girl (about 22?) and she told me to “facebook her” – my response was “I’m not 12”. It doesn’t even make that much sense but the way I said it told her I wasn’t afraid to announce my intentions. I got her number shortly thereafter.
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This girl is flaking before she can even flake on the first date.
So treat her like a flake.
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el chief wins again.
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Guys, I don’t think this is about the scenario-guys failings thus far, but what to do to salvage his manhood at the point she’s fading.
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She wants to play a scene, like 50’s film noir, like a Dashiell Hammett novel, like some French costume courtship drama –not the goody-goody Artsy-Dartsy English polite moral fag shit, but cloak and daggerish, dark, reputations ruined, poison in someone’s coffee type shit.
So play along. Maintain eye contact. Follow her. Walk out of the place. Leave your coat, friends, credit card, whatever, behind. Forget about that stuff. Focus on her ass. Keep your mouth shut. Let her either maintain or break the fantasy; her call. Put her to the test. She wants to see how far you’ll push the scene.
Think of that rule of sales: there comes a time when the next one to talk loses.
Perhaps she’ll turn on you on the sidewalk with a, “Are you following me?” Much depends on her tone. If she’s still other-wordly, in-character if you will, then leave off with getting her contact information and try to play along with her vibe. She wants something different. You just gave a little of it to her by following. If she’s still in character, that means she’s handling it. If she’s squeeling like in a complaint, laugh at her a bit as if you’re thinking, ok, the game is over, and ask her to repeat that email address, explaining simply that you didn’t hear it. No begging. If she’s still maintaining the noir-ish thing, say something private-eye-ish like, “You said I could have your email, but then you didn’t give it to me. Now I’m going to need your home address so I can tell Santa Claus you’ve been a bad girl.”
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facebooking/myspacing/twittering is such a joke. people take is seriously for like 15 minutes and then realize its a freaking glorified chatroom/gym locker.
if a girl pulls that, I know I’m out.
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I have to agree with those who say she’s power tripping. It makes perfect sense that she would end up in your orbit. The question should be, “How do I avoid attracting power tripping bitches?” The answer is stop being a power tripping asshole or enjoy the drama and don’t complain about how fucked up “women” are.
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Roissy, you are such an asshole. Sorry, I have Tourette’s.
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She’s probably gonna flake, but you might as well just give it a hail mary try. balls out. go up to her, stare her in the eye and get her email. And phone number.
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talk to another cute girl in your vicinity
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well, I don’t live in d.c. and don’t spend a lot of time on rooftop terraces…
(joke answer) I think the best thing here would be to watch the street below, and then when she’s walking out of the bar, throw a bottle down at her that has a rolled-up message inside ’email? might as well tell me the name of your carrier pigeon. john. 434-545-6565′
(probablistically best thing I could do answer) Follow her, pull her around gently but firmly by the shoulder and say, ‘look, i’ll just give you my email. It’s come with me right now @ I don’t have time for games dot it’s your birthday and i’m going to make it a memorable one dot com.’ stare her down while holding the shoulder, if she reacts in any way good, grab the wrist and take her away.
(what I would actually do answer) as she’s walking away, pantomime ‘i can’t hear you’ motion, be naturally funny, start pulling phone out of pocket, look at it like i’m trying to dial her number, look back at her, do mock panic look, smile, put phone away, walk away.
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I would say: I want to spend the night with you <pause. too.
I would do this not because it is the most effective. But because it is what I would most regret not saying and since this reads like fiction, I think it is what the protagonist would say. If that makes sense.
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She got laid that morning.
Your inane chatter totally killed the mood and you lost her. You were like every other boy, when she wanted a man. Frankly that was some poor game, but, fine.
Face it, she’s at a level of game beyond yours. Even lines like El Chief’s, while clever, aren’t going to impress this one.
Words don’t matter. This is all subtext.
If you’re looking for strange, forget this one. If she successfully intrigued you, you step forward, take her hand, take off a ring, a bracelet, a necklace and give it to her. Tell her you want it back but only when she’s ready. If she hooks (unlikely) and asks, “Ready for what?” then you just closed mouth smile.
Make sure the trinket wasn’t expensive.
To win a feminine heart like this one, you have to put yourself out there again and again, face rejection again and again, and continue to pursue her. She’ll test the ever living shit out of you, and not just your standard shit tests.
Good luck.
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““It’s time for me to go.”
You realize there has not been enough interaction to ensure a solid number close. “Ok. Hey, you’re interesting. Let’s chat again sometime. What’s your number?”
“No, I don”t give out my number.” ”
She’s in a relationship.
When a melancholy girl mentions her birthday, she doesn’t want you to ask the same question people have been asking her all day, “What did you get?” She wants you to say, “Then why are you here, drinking alone?” She probably would have alluded to her asshole boyfriend. But you didn’t, so she redirected, and started talking about the people walking by. Boring.
I assume she thought you could handle her, but you failed when you didn’t pick up where she was going with her b-day.
Good news: she might have dumped the asshole by the time you see her again.
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I’m not a PUA, I came here from Paleocon blogs like Parapundit and Isteve, so my comment is beta, that’s why.
She’s walking backwards, so to me it doesn’t really mean the conversation’s over, right? Wouldn’t just a “come hither” finger work? As in raised eyebrow, head cocked down, a hand motion like one gives to a cocktail waitress, and maybe leave my hand in the air as in “take my hand”.
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nada and just keep on moving
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Send one of your bodyguards after her to force her into your limo that’s waiting curbside. Take her back to your yacht that’s moored in the harbor and do her. After that, have your flunkies sell her to some organized crime outfit that’ll ho her out. (I suppose only real alphas would have the yacht and henchmen on hand, though.)
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what you should have done:
stand opposite direction to her, with your back to the railing. alpha stance. lean back.
her: “it’s my birthday today”
el chief: “congrats, you made it. it’s my birthday at midnight.”
her: “really? no way!”
el chief: “no, it isn’t…let me guess your age. [look her up and down]. [take your best guess of her real age and add 1]?”
her: “jerk, i’m 27”
continue on with irreverent observations, mild negs, massive bullshitting, teasings. do not ask her name. you are the dominant one. she submits to you. you judge her. she is there to please you.
if you do it right, you’ll get googly eyes from her.
don’t ask for her number. try to get her back to your place.
el chief: “this place is quieting down. come play Wii boxing at my place. I’ll kick your ass”
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Call DA and ask for advice?
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I remember meeting a girl like this a few years ago. I wish I knew then what I know now. I would not have played the nice guy card. As a matter of fact this never works.
This girl is into bad boys and looking for an asshole who will give her the time of her life in bed. Her playing hard-to-get while giving a few signs of interest is typical. It must have something to do with a conflict with her dad at some point.
Forget what she says. It is all in the body language. Tell her to forget about the email. Just offer to walk her home with a stupid excuse. While you walk, don’t show excessive interest and don’t try to fill in the blanks in the conversation. You both know what you want and you will get it.
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I would have grabbed her wrist as she walked away and said I am going to (some super awesome place). come check out
caveman that shit.
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Sara,
Perhaps you have noticed how much “Game” is a replacement for recreational activities that men used to do together like hunting and fishing.
Young men these days dont hunt or fish as much as their fathers did. These are two activities that netted a man real food and souvineers that chronicled their success back in the day. These types of men seldom really get pleasure out of playing video games or golfing. “Game” is what many of them are doing now…….in leiu of those old camping outdoor trips. Softball leagues, car fanaticsm, model airplanes, woodworking, home remodeling, and a host of other formerly male activities have probably seen some attrition of single male attention in the past decade also.
You can “hate on this” all you like Sara, but like hunting and fishing, “Game” is a evolutionarily survival-enhancing activity. One of the rewards of hunting and fishing to the sportsman was that he knew that he could make it out there in the wild and feed himself and his family if civilization ever really melted down. “Game”, or the ability to seduce women, lets a practitioner know that even if in a fairly happy marriage, he still will have the skill-set necessary to find a new woman if his current wife succumbs to the massive financial divorce incentives, or his girlfriend decides to take up with another man (or woman these days LOL).
Who do I ‘blame Game on’ you might ask?
Think about what “Game” is—–really. “Game” is the application of psychology on women by men. Women’s magazines have been giving women free-dimestore psychological approaches into getting men to do what women want since the seventies that I know of. I remember as a teen in the eighties at the grocery store seeing taglines on GIRZ magazines like, “Cheating, Youre Caught—-What To Do”, and “How to Get Him to Commit”, or “How to Have an Affair With THAT Co-Worker, and Not Let HIM Know”, “How to Make Him Yours”, et cetera.
Well………………..Sara……………………..the tables have turned haven’t they?
Men are much more solution-oriented than women and can become much more practiced in the arts of persuasion if they truly commit themselves to do so and believe that their survival and happiness depend upon it. Seeing men like Roissy make Game a “hobby” of sorts, in which he compares notes with other practitioners isn’t so strange in this light is it? Hunters compare duck calls, field techniques, types of dummies, field-baiting, guns, ammo, camoflauge, hours, weather patterns, mating patterns, and various other little advantages techniques about their hunts and how to make them more fruitful. Dont even get me started on fisherman…………………..they are even more tunnel-visioned than the hunters. I fish a little recreationally with a couple of SERIOUS fisherman. I myself know very little, but they are so damned good, that I usually catch trophy fish by just being in the boat with them, fishing the lures they show me to “throw”, and cast my line where they suggest. I do much much better than I ever would on my own in this way……………………….and we all have a great time.
Women have for years enjoyed being cruel in how they turn-down polite, nervous, “nice” men and how they approach them in bars and clubs. These kinds of men would have been meeting their future wives at church socials and family cookouts where friends of the ladies of the family would have been brought to meet them in years past. Well, a natural social progression has ensued, and men are turning a little of that cruelty back onto women with “Game” in the last decade by not going “into the field” with nothing but their dick in their hands.
There are no telling how many advanced PUA’s were once “super nice guys” who got tired of women trampling all over them and using them as emotional tampons.
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Posts like these, followed by comments, remind me of why I’m so bad with women! More of these, Roissy, definitely more. They’re educational.
What I probably would’ve done: e-mailed in her a few days, saying “Does the psycho club girl want to have a coffee at X time , Y place?” Maybe not the word ‘psycho’ but some a lighter word meaning the same thing, hopefully getting a laugh or something.
It’s a bad response, now that I think of it, but that’s my first inkling after “go after her!”
With some time to think of it:
Girl’s playing an act or she’s running the equivalent of female game. Part of me thinks the whole game is just a giant shit-test, and I should reject the roles and call her out on it, but I think that would make me seem like an asshole.
Letting her walk away isn’t an option if I want to get with her. The 10 minute chit-chat situation will make her think I’m a beta loser for life.
But she talked with me for awhile, so she has some interest. Just not in a weak-man with weak-game. Man up a bit, get ready for some shit-tests, and you’ll have her with ease.
Well, my beta brain comes up with this:
Direct approach:
Walk up to her, grab her wrist, pull her towards you a little bit. No smile, plain-faced.
Say: “None of this disappear into the night crap. Get your shit together. We’re going back to my place”
Indirect approach:
Walk up to her, grab her wrist gently to stop her, walk around her so you’re right behind her. Still holding her wrist so it’s behind her back, at your belly button level. Take free hand, put on her hip. Sway slightly. Say lasciviously:
“Don’t think it’s quite that time of night yet.”
Be ready to dance a bit.
Either way, I think you’re getting shit-tests thrown at you left and right for the next 10 minutes. After that, you’re in the clear.
Any good?
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Sara I said
It will not close any pickup, but here is a joke:
A man parks his car in the disabled spot and strides quickly and strongly away.
A passing busybody calls out “You look healthy. What is your disability?”
The man replies: “Tourette’s, now F**K off!”
Da Da Tsssh
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The thing to do would be :
Say this BEFORE the ‘what is your number’ bit. That is already a Beta slippery slope :
“I don’t know if you’re adventurous enough of a person for me, but tell me your number, and I might decide to connect with you at some point”
This accomplished :
1) Qualifying her to prove she is adventurous enough
2) Maintaining higher status : I *might* decide to contact her.
3) Framing myself as being in control of when we meet, not her.
Roissy’s article has already taken a couple of Beta steps by simply asking ‘What is your number?’ I would have said my bit above in the first place, 10 seconds before the point where the article left off.
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“Suddenly, she turns to face you completely and rests her hand on your forearm. Silently, still smiling from under her pixie eyelids, she makes intense eye contact. She utters not a peep, nor does she have an expectant look on her face like she’s waiting for you to pick up the conversational slack. Her behavior is incomprehensible to you. You wish she is drunk so you can have a tidy explanation. But, no, she’s in control of herself.
“It’s time for me to go.””
Here’s where I think the game is over. She was throwing out a bunch of IOI’s (eye contact, kino, etc…) and was waiting for you to escalate and/or isolate. (Take her to another club, would’ve been a good move, or hit the dance floor.)
However, as she was walking away, I would’ve done the ‘can’t hear you’ motion with my palms, and then the “come hither” finger summon. When she got back, say something like, “It must’ve been a lame birthday party for you to leave so soon.” Then lean in close, brushing your cheek against hers, and whisper, “Lets make it one to remember.” Then go for the kiss.
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Is this a tale from Roissy’s earlier days, perhaps? Or maybe it’s made up, or maybe it isn’t Roissy. This sounds like a high school kid who’s just seen a stunningly good looking older woman pay attention to him for the first time. He felt special just because she was looking at him. His brain just short circuited, and as soon as he could remember the English language again, he managed to say something that might have sounded inexperienced or could have been vaguely suave and noncommittal depending upon the circumstances. “Hey, what’s making you smile so much?” could have been overeager, or it could have sounded polite and somewhat disinterested depending upon delivery.
And then she started paying attention to him and his brain melted again. And then she took control of the conversation. She answers questions he didn’t ask, she brings up the new topics. This reads almost like a typical PUA script, but with the male and female roles reversed.
She’s either a strange bird indeed or she’s got practice doing this. From the guy’s POV it sounds like he hasn’t seen a woman like this before, but what are the chances he can do anything she hasn’t seen before?
When she turned away, either she’s seeing if he’s worth a damn or she’s genuinely done. It’s possible it’s a test and she hasn’t made up her mind yet. I figure, hedge bets. Say
“I didn’t catch that.” loud enough so she can hear, and then turn around like you don’t give a damn.
If you’re as slick and hardened in the field as you are in bed, she would have noticed before and she just might turn around and talk again. Then you can chide her, “I thought you had pressing business elsewhere?” or something. If you came off as a handsome, but inexperienced and wet-behind-the-ears toy that she doesn’t feel like lowering herself to playing with at the moment, then no harm done. You hardly spent any time on her, there should be plenty of night left for more profitable conversations, and you didn’t do anything that lowered your value in the eyes of anyone who happened to be watching, and more importantly, in your own.
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I’m with lurker on his #1 and #2 answer. Other likely possibility; she’s fried out of her mind on E.
FWIIW, I had a girlfriend who used to do crap like this to amuse herself. Caveman approach works best with a tease.
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That’s transparent, Tood. This girl wasn’t an amateur and would have kicked all through that shit.
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1) this whole scenario is a disaster – no negs, no Kino, no attraction build etc etc and strait into the friend zone with the “neighbour talk” etc.. its shocking.
what you should have done
“It’s my birthday today.”
are you trying to pick me up?
she either laughs, or kinos, she is clearly already visually attacked and she wont walk.
Suddenly, she turns to face you completely and rests her hand on your forearm.
Right at that exact moment – You Kiss close
“No, I don”t give out my number.” Her obscenely sensual smile hasn’t dropped and her hand hasn’t left your forearm.
Recipricate Kino – plam read – sweet baby Jesus do something DUDE!
2) Anywhay to the question at hand – As the moment is disintegrating rapidly..
Note – You have failed all her shit tests at this stage.
“You can have my email.”
I dont beleive in email. I only just got a Cell phone (pull it out)
and she’s taking steps backwards from you.
physically step back, turn 45degrees, look away and then look back.
motion to her to come back with your finger (dont move toward her) whisper in her ear….”your kind of attractive too”
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Call DA and ask for advice?
So, you fail at life?
What David Would Do: David wouldn’t be in such a situation since he would be at home masturbating, except for this month since it’s Lent.
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I would try and create SOME sort of role-reversal, because so far it has been pretty one-sided (you trying desperately, not to seek approval, but it’s obvious you’ve let yourself lose control to strong body language from an [alpha?] female). When she said, “I don’t give out my number.” I would have said something like, “I’m only going to call you 40 times a day because I have nothing better to do than call people who don’t want to talk to me, give me your number.” That’s just ONE thing I would have done different up to this point. I don’t think I would have talked about the neighborhood/her birthday presents in the opening conversation (pretty beta). I would have started the negs from the beginning, especially if she seemed to have [so] much control of herself.
This is a tough situation because, as stated above, I would have handled a few things differently. The way roissy leaves it, she is walking away, and women only do this when you’re pretty much all out of options, this is a final test where, usually, you can either fuck close or nothing can result.
Someone said, “run after her.” I wouldn’t run, I don’t know the area, but I would find some way to get downstairs (it was on a rooftop, right?) before her. I would meet her downstairs and say something like, “let me help you blow out your candles” with emphasis on the word blow.
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Ed (at 4:27 pm) is right. Grab her hand, “let’s walk together.” No move to a diner; disaster. Lead to your place. Minimal conversation.
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^That last part was a joke. I would probably forget her and game someone else at the bar.
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“except for this month since it’s Lent.”
lol @ DA
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With all the IOIs leading up to the moment you walked up to her, your first mistake was saying “Happy Birthday” and “Get any awesome gifts?” to “It’s my birthday today”. You should have said, “You need a special present then”. If her response is to keep facing forward, nothing’s going down. If it piques her interest, she’ll turn to you and ask, “Like what?” or something similar in a playful way. That’s when you start the kino and work your magic. By the time she was walking away from you, you’d already failed her tests. If you managed to get her to stop leaving, you have truly superior game, and I eagerly await you telling us how you did it.
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Hmm, not a goddamn thing, that’s one strange broad. Sounds like an she did a lot of acid in her day. Either that or one big cokehead with all the wide eyed shit.
Pass.
Find a hotter girl, resume game.
This girl just sounds like a strange oddball. Let her go.
If she comes back later, go for the disinterest, maybe she wanted you the whole time and she’ll make her moves when it seems she can’t have you.
Even if I got the number, I think that’d be one I’d stay away from, someone mentioned possible serial killer. I agree
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DA seriously do everyone a favor and make out with a hand gun. The troll act is stale at this point.
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you realize that you’re a sucker talking to a married woman or a chick with a boyfriend looking for attention and you flip her the bird for wasting your time. stop being such a naive little bitch and wake up from the daydream. you got played.
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Well, as she is backing away, I’d just tell her that “I don’t use e-mail unless it’s business related.” Then, I’d continue to sip on my drink.
Oroption number 2
Just as she’s backing off I’d slip her a card with my number on it, facing upside down and tell her “happy birthday, but you can’tlook at this until after midnight”
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rethinking my cokehead claim, those stating she was rollin on E sound more on point.
Either way, forget this broad. next
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People have to take the scenario on its own terms. You can’t rewind the scenario to an easier point, that defeats the purpose of the challenge.
She’s walking away rudely. Running up to her is weak, so…..
YOU: [loudly] HEY! [if she doesn’t turn her head for this, game over. if she turns her head continue.] GET THE FUCK BACK HERE. [slyly, of course, not pissy. you’re calling her on her shit]
At this point she either ignores you, if she never cared, or comes back if she did care, but just wanted a little ballsy drama instead of boring phone routine.
YOU: I don’t want your email. Email is for work. C’mon… [grab her hand, lead her over somewhere close, perhaps a little more isolated.. no real point, except to dominate the interaction in a mysterious way. more hushed tone, like a secret] Look, there’s somewhere I always go on my birthday. It’s my ritual. I’m not going to tell you what it is, but it’s close. Walking distance. Five or six blocks.
And then you improvise the destination and backstory. Maybe a monument or another bar. Whatevers close. Just a contrived bounce.
She’s close to your house, so it should be easier to lull her into your lair that night. It doesn’t sound like the future is a place for this to happen.
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seemingly in the company of a mixed group but talking to no one.
This might be an opportunity for DHV too:
Perhaps preface your command with: “I feel sorry for you, I’ve barely seen you talk to anyone tonight. That’s not fair. Look, there’s somewhere I always go…”
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seemingly in the company of a mixed group but talking to no one.
avoid like the plague – even her friends dont like her
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Girl’s fried. On something. Probably E like someone else suggested.
Do not under any circumstances leave her alone in your place.
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News Alert
The German guy – the shy, earnest dude – who shot up a school recently targeted mainly girls. The things speaks for its fucking self.
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So she’ll give you her email and point out to you exactly where she lives, but her phone number is top secret? I’d bet real, folding money that everything out of her mouth from “It’s my birthday” on has been an outright lie. The chick is psycho.
The only thing you should do at this point is feel like an ass for not catching on sooner.
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The German guy – the shy, earnest dude – who shot up a school recently targeted mainly girls. The things speaks for its fucking self.
Yep, him and Alabama man make for two o m e g a s on the front page of Drudge.
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Orig. by Rain And:
“YOU: I don’t want your email. Email is for work. C’mon… [grab her hand, lead her over somewhere close, perhaps a little more isolated.. no real point, except to dominate the interaction in a mysterious way. more hushed tone, like a secret] Look, there’s somewhere I always go on my birthday. It’s my ritual. I’m not going to tell you what it is, but it’s close. Walking distance. Five or six blocks.
And then you improvise the destination and backstory. Maybe a monument or another bar. Whatevers close. Just a contrived bounce.”
I agree with this, if you can get her to go to another place with you, then it feels like you two are on a “second date” already. This is quite alpha. In her mind: she has the original spot where you guys met, then she has the second place where YOU took HER. This dramatically increases your chance for a fuck close that night.
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Never agree to accept an email.
Since you already fucked up, cave man. Blow me or blow me out.
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“Hey, wait here for a bit. You can’t leave unless you give me a reason to want to talk to you again.”
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MCA
Making arbitrary and irrational assertions is beta. But really, this is yet another example of the way the alpha/beta dichotomy is often used as just a way of making yourself feel superior to others by pointing at something totally random and going “that’s so beta, and I guess I’m just too alpha to do that kind of stuff. When I’m not busy playing D&D in the basement, I mean.”
According to the official story, game is all about controlling women and not letting them control you. If that’s the case, the only solution to this test that’s consistent with the philosophy of game is to do nothing. If you’re going to jump through hoops (I mean even more than usual) just to have sex with this one special woman, how are you any different from “betas?” This is the paradox of game, because you’re always jumping through hoops and always being controlled by women, even as you tell yourself that it’s the other way around.
Jumping through hoops like a circus animal is all fine and well as long as you don’t start pretending like you’re not doing it, and then feeling superior to everyone. That’s just pathetic.
Lee
This is the game delusion. You think you’re in control, when you’re really not. The bottomline is that you’re desperate for pussy and you’re jumping through hoops to get it from her.
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My first instinct was to say hustle up to her and say, “I’m not sure where you’re going, but we should go to together….”
My first instinct is always Beta.
Ideally, I’d have been looking the other way, opening some (hotter) girl before she could even finish her email address. Actually,ideally I’d have E-pills on me and she’d come back to my place with her two hot frends. Seriously.
Still, from the story it says you’re quite taken by her pixie charms.
From your seat at the table, calmly motion with your hand to come back. All while maintaining strong eye contact. If she keeps walking – forget about her, and keep a mindset of abundance.
That way you’re not making a big show of trying to get her back, using as few motions and words as possible.
If she keeps walking away and doesn’t come back, get up and don’t sit there like an idiot. Go approach some other girls (and make a mental note to keep E pills on your person a la G Manifesto).
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Me rikey Asian! Yellow more good! SHORYUKEN!
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I would have grabbed her arm and thrown her over the roof. Chicks love guys that abuse them so after she gets out of traction she will be yours forever. Ass to mouth in no time! Always ask yourself what Chris Brown would do and then take it a little more extreme than that.
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Do the Stormfront people just sit here refreshing the page 24/7 and waiting for me to post so they can once again explain to me the depths of their burning hatred towards Asians?
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I’d maintain eye contact as she backed away, and yell a bit too loudly “what?!”. No matter how many times she repeated, I’d say, slightly too loud, “what”?
Exasperated, I’d hand her my phone and tell to just type it in there.
Just as she was finishing up the typing, I’d casually grab her hand, as if that’s something I always do, and inspect her txt-typing handi-work.
Take the phone from her hand, drop the hand, and back to silent eye contact.
Can’t say more until I know her reaction. If she is smirking inside, I’d hand the phone back, and say – “go ahead and the number.”
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Do the Stormfront people just sit here refreshing the page 24/7 and waiting for me to post so they can once again explain to me the depths of their burning hatred towards Asians?
Interesting: looks like roissy has permanently flagged my IP address so that any post I make is moderated. For such a big-time alpha PUA player he sure is easily intimidated by people critical of game.
Fortunately IP bans are rather easy to circumvent.
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Broke the following 3 commandments
1. 3-second rule (MM)
2. Chit-chat game (Roissy)
3. Considering writing down a girl’s e-mail address (Roosh)
Open a new set.
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tokyojesusfist
Do the Stormfront people just sit here refreshing the page 24/7…..
Or maybe you’re just an annoying individual?
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“Fortunately IP bans are rather easy to circumvent.”
Me special. Me know how get around ban, so me can return to blog me not agree with. Me teach you all lesson!
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Max from Australia
Or maybe you’re being evasive. This has nothing to do with whether or not I’m annoying.
Beijing Allah Knee
I am sure that someone of your intellectual capacity finds IP ban evasion to be indistinguishable from magic, but I assure you that it is quite a simple process.
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IP bans ain’t nothin’
Cause I ain’t no joke
And now I’m gonna put the pee pee
In your coke
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I agree with the plurality here- walk away. She is playing BS head games and, though intriguing, seems likely to be more trouble than she is worth. Press reset button, forget, move on. If you run into her again, neg her for the e-mail sh*t.
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Talk, don’t shout:
“If you really want to chat, type your email on my cell”.
If it’s too loud and she didn’t hear you but saw you speaking to her, she’ll stop/pause/respond in some way.
If it’s not too loud and she did hear you, she’ll stop/pause/respond in some way.
Either way, your phrase tests for another indicator of interest while simultaneusly reframing the interaction on your terms. If she’s into you then she’ll bite. If she makes yet another counter-offer, she’s not being coy or conservative, she’s just cock-teasing for attention on her birthday.
Either way, go find her hot friends and chat em up.
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Talk, don’t shout:
“If you really want to chat, type your email on my cell”.
If it’s too loud and she didn’t hear you but saw you speaking to her, she’ll stop/pause/respond in some way.
If it’s not too loud and she did hear you, she’ll stop/pause/respond in some way.
Either way, your phrase tests for another indicator of interest while simultaneously reframing the interaction on your terms. If she’s into you then she’ll bite. If she makes yet another counter-offer, she’s not being coy or conservative, she’s just cock-teasing for attention on her birthday.
Either way, go find her hot friends and chat em up.
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Your love declines. You, thinking little lines around my eyes are fallen lashes, try to brush them off.
I do exfoliate.
In this autumn of my being, parts of me fly, like tossed and wintry-blasted leaves.
I don’t regret their passing.
I must work to make a clear and crystal form.
I, alchemist, and I, philosophers stone,
have sacrificed the fat and froth and fur of youth,
to walk through fire, leap in the dark,
swim inward rivers, pray at a wailing wall.
The wrinkles, sags and greying hair are earned.
You mourn like a child with a broken doll.
Only the core of this crone, was ever real.
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tokyojesusfist, asians have little dicks. It’s a fact.
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I am only interested in chicks with dicks.
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This struck me as something Roissy would enjoy: http://vodpod.com/watch/1423269-cnn-most-popular-boy-sleeps-with-two-teachers?pod=aletorro
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Toss her your cellphone while she’s backing away.
Odds are you’ll interrupt whatever behavioral script is running through her head and she’ll trip over herself trying to catch it.
If she does catch it she’s got to give it back. You’ve also made an implicit point about communication that you can step on as hard as you need to when she does.
If she doesn’t catch the phone and her interest was sincere, she’ll soften up and probably apologize. If she wasn’t sincere the easiest thing for her to do is retreat to the swagger she put on before, but she’ll look stupid.
If she throws the phone back to you instead of walking up to you, throw it back to her. You’re now playing catch, and she can’t walk out the door if she expects she might fumble.
If you’re worried about your cellphone in all this, either you’re too poor to own a cellphone or you need to sit down, have a drink, and reorder your priorities.
If you bean her with the phone, (accidents happen) tell her that catch is a skill taught in elementary school and she has no business out in public if she can’t get it right. Threaten to have her lounging and clubbing license revoked. Diagnose a mild concussion and insist on driving her home. If necessary, explain that letting her friends do this will expose you to liability.
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and
This from Sara, the divorce theft now leisure class rentier divorcee, new age gaga has been bimbo, living off her “workaholic” beta ex-husband. Who she divorced because he was, well, a workaholic. AKA boring. Better suited to fund her in divorce mode with all that work, than in married mode, she felt.
Look, I have no issue with her divorcing him if she wasn’t happy with the sex and other things. I do have a problem with all that money extraction for those reasons.
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Ok. PUA challenge.
First, Roissy should have pressed a big time make out well before she left. She was inviting big with keno etc. Aloof was not the wa to go with that. If she rejected, with all those signals, she’s too much trouble. Reject.
Second, if he violated the first, I’d say screw it, let her go. For one thing Roissy’s never made me think in this post that she’s extra special hot. In fact she might be borderline. Ok she has ‘big saucer like eyes’.
So ok, this indeterminately hot or marginally hot girl is playing an unusual, player guy like, attract and push off, game. Well girls do that, but not in this straight ahead, direct manner – at all often.
Ok, if she were hot enough, I’d say that at the very instant she’s walking away, having given an email that the noise has garbled for Roissy, and say with authority “Wait. Hold on. I didn’t get that. Too much noise. Come back and repeat, cutie.” If she does, you’re in. If she doesn’t, blow her off.
End of story.
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Something similar to this happened to me a couple years ago. I handed her a card with my cel number, told her to call me, turned around and left. I never heard from her but about a year later I saw her at a concert. She had gained a LOT of weight.
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Meaningless casual loveless sex isn’t everyones thing, all the time, but if it is your thing at the time, what she turns into is irrelevent. Except for the pleasure of knowing you had her when she was still hot.
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xsplat
I agree that what she turns into is ultimately irrelevant. I mentioned it as a reminder, mostly to myself, to seize the moment while you can.
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Moonrock and El Chief are ahead by a country mile for me.
This is my best stab at the conundrum – I think I’d step forward and close the gap. I’d then say quietly, so she had to lean in and to pick it up: “Had I wanted a pen pal, I’d still be writing to Britta my German friend from back in the day.” Crack a smile and hand over the phone.
As an aside I think you guys are being a bit harsh on “Get any awesome gifts?”. You need to recognise this for the wolf in sheeps clothing that it is. Think of the potential for a cold read from her answer or Negging the shit out of her if she tells you: “Daddy bought me a SAAB convertible,but it was the wrong colour.”
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Dont move:
(a) Laugh at her. smirking becomes outloud and then very loud- while,
(b) clearly holding your phone at her like a cross and shes a vampire
(c) take your phone away pointedly and tell her to put her hand on your shoulder
(d) walk out of the club with her attached to you.
It worked when I picked her up at local 16.
And yes it was worth the maintenance for the triple PnD!
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absinthe
thats what you get for missing the window. the trick is to PnD before they get fat!
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moonrock, i like the phone gambit – do you carry a cheap disposable phone to use for this?
i like the idea – got your pitching phone that you dont care if it gets damaged, and then an identical one to swap after contact and get your numbers.
besides, if she doesnt notice the swap, you get alpha points for not giving a fuck about your phone, when she wouldnt dare to throw her phone around willy nilly.
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sounds to me like she was on e, that’s all
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The girl’s an insane attention whore. Forget about her and don’t reward her childish/erratic behavior. There are other more coherent fish in the sea.
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Not giving your number to a someone you like is unlikely. She may be shit-testing, but she’s probably a tease.
But if she isn’t you, lose a good prize.
So it’s probably worth going after her and take a chance at the risk of losing face.
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Ignore her. Find another girl with less issues. If you ever see her again pointedly ignore her. If she approaches you show a vague recognition and let her earn your time. If she flakes again never give her another moment of attention.
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Since you aren’t sure you heard her email right the genuine thing to do would be to cup your hand behind your ear to indicate you can’t hear and make a “come back” motion with your other hand. If she doesn’t walk closer to you then then give her a two-handed “what can I say” shrug and turn your back. If she does come back, ignore her telling you her email. Put your finger over your lips if she keeps saying it to signal her to be quiet. I’m a big fan of mirroring so since she’s been smiling all this time some amused indifference would be good to convey. Keep motioning her closer until she’s back next to you and take it from there.
It just seems to me like this is a situation where you demonstrate you’re in charge or you let her go.
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some of these comments are a riot, and seem to be missing the point. neg her email provider? if a guy did that to me, i’d stare at him quizzically and then walk away.
i don’t think anyone has ever gotten an accurate email address in a bar. too much room for error.
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Leave the bar and wait outside for 5 minutes. If she doesn’t come out within that time frame then go and hook up with an ex or swoop on some other chick in the taxi queue.
If she does come out then take her home and give her a 37-calorie birthday drink
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What’s the point of all the “ignore her”, “open a new set” replies? This is a test of our game, and I think if you’re going to pass, you might as well not post.
For the purposes of the test, I’m assuming this girl is a 10, or has soviet secret agent information that I must extract bond-style.
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unless you misread her drunk signals, you are being tested and she wants the power. Quickly tell her her that you don’t send email but you gladly read them and quickly give her your email address as you turn away.
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she’s a fatalist and believes that things happen for a reason. if you happen to get her address right and you make contact? cool. if not? meh. millions of fish in the sea, and i’m sure she’s thinking the same thing.
i mean, really, it’s not like you shared any sort of earth-shattering soul-binding moment here! if she’s like that with you, then she’s like that all the time…
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and the follow-up post is where…?
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Bjorn,
Ignore her is one option. She is trying to get you to chase. Her actions at the end were meant to make you chase. She gave you an e-mail and spoke too quietly to hear her. Don’t do what this girl wants. She will hate that. Instead bat the ball back to her. She can pursue if she wants. If not there are other girls to chase. Go get them. That is game also. The successful predator usually goes for the easy kill. If you want to waste other options chasing a head case be my guest. I want the girls that are into me so screw her e-mail address. NEXT!!!!
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[…] 12, 2009 by roissy I purposely chose an example of bad game in yesterday’s post in the interest of seeing how you would salvage a losing situation. And yes, for those who are […]
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me: “how can you resist?” (strong eye contact)
her (inevitably): “resist what?”
me: “the urge to keep talking to me”
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Z
“Game” is what many of them are doing now…….in leiu of those old camping outdoor trips. Softball leagues, car fanaticsm, model airplanes, woodworking, home remodeling, and a host of other formerly male activities have probably seen some attrition of single male attention in the past decade also.
I don’t know why I never thought of this before. It reminds of how they take inner city kids on camping trips and try to re-humanize them by putting them in a natural setting. I think the only reason roissy would go to a natural setting is if he thought he could get laid there. The big time gamers seem so impoverished. Sorry, it’s my view point and no amount of “logical” explanation is going to change. it.
“Game”, or the ability to seduce women, lets a practitioner know that even if in a fairly happy marriage, he still will have the skill-set necessary to find a new woman if his current wife succumbs to the massive financial divorce incentives, or his girlfriend decides to take up with another man (or woman these days LOL).
Having this “back up” attitude insures failure. It reminds me of the Einstein quote about how you cannot simultaneously prepare for and prevent war. Of course the wife can have this attitude as well as you pointed out. The marriage vows should be, “I like you pretty good. Let’s see how it goes.” In a marriage when you start using words like “practiioner”, “skill-set”, “Game”, “seduciton” you lose me. Where is the love in all that? Or is it just about the Head (pun intended) and how to keep a “strategic advantage” at all times? Why bother? Oh right, for the sex. Sex is great but not as part of a strategy.
Women’s magazines have been giving women free-dimestore psychological approaches into getting men to do what women want since the seventies that I know of.
I’m not a Cosmo girl. Good God what garbage you must compare to in order to justify your own garbage. The key word(s) is “dime store” and you’re basically said it yourself; game is no better than that.
Well………………..Sara……………………..the tables have turned haven’t they?
NOT. I’m not a stupid Cosmo girl. Are you getting that? LOL
Well, a natural social progression has ensued, and men are turning a little of that cruelty back onto women with “Game” in the last decade by not going “into the field” with nothing but their dick in their hands.
The progression as you call it, is anything but natural. The correct word might be “normal” as in everybody’s doin’ it. Normally people react, not respond which is a whole ‘nother level of maturity rarely found. Some believe the so-called feminist movement was orchestrated by the powers that be to turn the 50% of the non-tax paying population into tax payers. There was a concerted effort to make women unhappy with their stay-at-home lives. Stranger things have happened. There are many theories not often explored here.
There are no telling how many advanced PUA’s were once “super nice guys” who got tired of women trampling all over them and using them as emotional tampons.
Neither PUA’s or “emotional tampons” impress me. There must be third, fourth, or fifth choice. Why only two choices? I keep saying that but no one here hears me at all. What about the illusive Alpah-Beta? Too complicated? Yes, that’s what make it valuable. BALANCE and integration of both masculine and feminine traits which we all have. It’s the new man and new woman that needs to be born.
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and men are turning a little of that cruelty back onto women with “Game”
My point EXACTLY. SEX as cruelty and revenge. GREAT. Celibacy looks better and better. Nice that at least you’re honest enough to admit it in a BLOG .LOL
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Sara I
I think the problem is, that what you read here are analytical descriptions of what happens in the moment. It sounds cold and logical described here, but it does not necessarily play that way (to man or woman) in real life.
Even if you are not a Cosmo girl, even if you do not read romantic fiction, or dream of handsome knights on white horses, I am sure you would still prefer a man who can make you feel a tingle of excitement, some emotional connection, and an intellectual compatibility (all those things Cosmo and the romantic fiction describe).
Even the most romantic man needs some kind of a “plan” to make that happen. He still has to consider how to approach you, how to look at you, when and how to touch you, what to say, when to say it, how to say it.
My guess is that all great lovers and romantics plan their seductions to some extent. Even in these enlightened times of equality, it falls to the man to initiate and drive the seduction. The woman can react to or reject the seduction attempt, but the man must drive it. In the absence of a man’s initiative, it is just two people talking; it will go nowhere. If the man wants the seduction to succeed having a plan is a good start.
What is discussed here, in that dorky combative style of the Internet, are ways for men to make that plan happen.
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Default User,
Excellent explaination, sir.
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DA,
Me, a loser at life? Except for my 401K, I don’t think so. Or at least I’ve been successful faking it for a long time. Let’s just say I fall in that top ten percent of incomes, so the State and Feds get their shares.
I’m happy with the Mrs, so that part’s OK. I like my kids, and when I was young, I couldn’t imagine that to be true, ever. Kids, ugh.
No, I’m too old for Roissy’s scenario to be realistic to me, so I tried to come up with a provocative answer. No put down was intended. If i came across as insulting, I apologize.
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Sara I
And for that level of committment on the part of his prospective bride, the guy is supposed to pledge one half plus of his savings and wealth and 40% of his after tax income when his wife insists on kids, plus in some states like Cali alimony, as alimony taking Sara well knows?
So, marriage then has become an experiment and continuing it an option for both husband and wife in America today. Only wait, what. It’s the man who pays through the nose, and the woman who clips coupons, if either of them, overwhelming the wife these days in America with this setup, decides to exercise her option and bail.
Let her bail. But don’t pay her. The best way is to not marry her. If you want to live together, do. Child support is always unjustifiably high for high earners in hyper feminist America today, But at least that’s all you’ll be legally obligated to pay, so long as you aren’t in the small minority of states that create common law marriages under some circumstances (not just living together, look into it) or California, where palimony while not the same as marriage does mean you’d need a cohabitation agreement.
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In other word’s Sara’s kind of marriage, which is common among American women, is a one way commitment.
Only the man is really legally committed. The woman is so long as she feels in in her bosom, and non of her girl friends can talk her out of it. And no longer.
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Not to late for my contribution?
If you just want a last chance shot at that number, “el chief’s” is the best bet.
If you want to win a reprieve for poor game, or else figure it’s hopeless but want to salvage a bit of dignity, walk up to her (shouldn’t be hard if she’s walking away backwards) or catch up with her and wryly, “You’ve ruined it now, but you really had me hard for a while.”
Be prepared to shrug it off if she turns away and walks off. But if she stops and stays, just run game from there based on the specifics of her reaction, or just change subject completely if she’s stopped but only semi-enthusiastic/intrigued. (Anything less than semi-enthusiastic/intrigued and she wouldn’t have stopped.)
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A minute later she walks by you. Sensing an opportunity, you interrupt her as she passes: “Hey, what’s making you smile so much?” She locks her eyes on yours, smiles mischievously, and walks right past, slowly, saying absolutely nothing, brushing heavily against your chest along the way.
Game OVER.
You are intrigued.
No I’m not.
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[…] writes in response to a pickup scenario with a sultry game-playing chick I recounted: Such a girl as Roissy described, would come off to me that she would not be satisfactory for […]
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“What do you do?”
Realize that she’s nothing more than a sociopathic tease, has absolutely no interest in me or any other guy there, is a gold-digger in training, and thank my lucky stars that I won’t have to deal with her ever again.
Any girl who comes on that strong, then withdraws that quickly, is a tease whose only desire in life is to control as many men as possible. Waste of time.
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