If you watched last Thursday’s episode of The Office, you saw Andy use some basic concepts from Game to advise Kevin how to handle a woman he likes. Watch from 3:40 onward.
Naturally, the show follows the usual PC fembot script and ridicules beta Andy for giving horrible advice to omega Kevin, while lesser alpha Jim mocks Andy’s good faith effort with that oh-so-smarmily sly and knowing irony that has become the hallmark of SWPL humor.
Although I’m sure the writers didn’t intend it, Andy is a great example of what happens when an aggressive beta gets his first exposure to game; he doesn’t fully grasp the underlying concepts which leads him to bastardize the tactics. His advice to Kevin to give “backhanded compliments” to the omega woman Kevin wants to date sounds exactly like the caricature of negs that haters of game repeat ad nauseum. Andy’s neg is an insult, not an ambiguous compliment.
Why can’t Hollywood portray Game and the pickup mentality fairly and magnanimously and without going gooey romantic beta and snide alpha in penance for broaching the subject? The answer is simple. It is a great threat to the established order if the vast lumpenbeta of men learn how to seduce women without having to first toil for years as properly submissive company men chained in servility to the corporate machine, or without having to bow and scrape before their feminist and alpha elite masters who would like nothing less than that they continue playing by the rules they themselves so flagrantly violate. And anti-Game serves the interests of natural alpha males quite well as mockery bait with which they can keep the aspiring betas in line and the pool of available alphas small.
Competition may be a wonderful thing in the abstract, but on the individual level it is an enemy to be snuffed out.
By the way, anyone else notice how rapidly Pam is aging? So sad.
I had DVRed it and just watched it a couple hours ago. I noticed the same thing. Although it seemed that Andy might have been giving intentionally bad advice in a “misery loves company” way.
I’ll give them some props for having Pam suggest to Kevin that he use light touching, which is common advice among PUAs.
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“Competition may be a wonderful thing in the abstract, but on the individual level it is an enemy to be snuffed out.”
So true…
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“And anti-Game serves the interests of natural alpha males quite well as mockery bait with which they can keep the aspiring betas in line and the pool of available alphas small.”
Brilliant statement. Maintenance of the status quo is the friend of the alpha male. We need more discussion and rumination on this topic.
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URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Headline from buddy visiting Warsaw, Poland
“I’m still here til tomorrow am…OMG dude…the freakin women here are INSANE INSANE INSANE! Everywhere you turn there is another gorgeous hot babe…blond with blue eyes…brunette with green…it’s fucking ridiculous. I met these two girls at breakfast, 18 and 19, here for a shoot for Bigstar jeans (www.bigstar.pl) . They were just ridiculous. The one is already the lead campaign girl. She might be the hottest chick I’ve ever seen. Ridiculous. I’m staying at the Polonia Palace which is right in the center of the city. Best location. Old town is a little out of the way..home tomorrow night…signing off soon s well…1030pm here…”
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Speaking of game related stuff in the arts, here is Lily Allen’s brilliant 22 from her brand new album, about a woman on the edge of cougarhood:
Of course, lacking a broader perspective, she puts the blame on “society.” Still, a brilliant song. Just goes to show how women are often brilliant observers, but poor analysts.
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Also superb is Allen’s Not Fair about how important turning a woman on:
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I’m on the fence about the show “Two and a Half Men.” On the whole, the show does give a resounding nod to the principles of Game, contrasting the hedonistic Charlie with his hapless boyscout-proper brother Alan.
The characters are also realistic about Betatude… unlike much of mainstream entertainment, the asshole Charlie is shown as a guy who all in all is worth talking with, but Alan, underneath his nice-guy persona, is a petty, unbearable, pedantic pain in the ass.
Some episodes are simply brilliant. Others, it’s as though feminists/gays took turns writing the script, showing Charlie go all beta. But then again as someone noted, the show is consistent in the sense that “no beta deed goes unpunished.”
I’ve always liked Charlie Sheen, by the way. Even though “Lucas” came out after I’ve graduated high school, Sheen’s sympathetic jock character exemplified the image I tried really hard to live up to in my junior and senior year.
And his character in “Platoon” impressed me strongly in how I wanted to carry myself when I was enlisted in the Army several years later.
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“or without having to bow and scrape before their feminist and alpha elite masters who would like nothing less than that they continue playing by the rules they themselves so flagrantly violate.”
This is confusing, I agree with you here. But, it is counterintuitive that women want men to keep acting beta when they only really fall for alphas. Not only that, but they seem not only to disapprove of beta behavior, but women actively resent it, so much so that they develop hatred and indignance towards their beta providers (and their behavior). So, it would seem that men could care less if other men kept acting beta (more pussy for me). But, why would women want to keep men down like this? I bet if we asked women, a number of them would wish that the (beta) man they got together with for security reasons would learn to practice ways of an alpha.
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Game has been reviled by so many shows on network television that I’m not surprised by this.
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I bet if we asked women, a number of them would wish that the (beta) man they got together with for security reasons would learn to practice ways of an alpha.
Ordinary women often don’t mind, but notice that Roissy talks about feminists disliking game, not women in general.
On the other hand, I broke down some of my tactics for one of my best friends’ wife. She was a bit put off by the calculated nature of it all, women want it all to be spontaneous, but she came to see some value in it, mostly because she likes me, wishes me well with women (she actually has had some good relationship advice for me), and can see how a more analytical approach is necessary for guys like me.
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It’s interesting that Jim said that “guys with girlfriends don’t do” what Andy was saying. They definitely don’t do it with omega women. But, Pam isn’t hot. She’s average, plain-looking. I always thought Jim downgraded from Karen, even though Karen was older. Plus, Jim did some beta things in the past, like buying Pam the house. But, he’s done alpha stuff as well. None of it makes sense to me…
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Man, I met a couple tonight that fits the part perfectly. Girl is an 8 at least, if you overlook her loud voice and thick glasses. Jutting jaw. Into getting stuff. Wedding is coming up but already have their house bought and buying furniture before they are even married. She works for the govt in some small capacity. He is a very socially bashful, retiring young accountant, smart and successful in his profession but a beta nerd all the way.
He is the kind of beta guy girls want around to support them after, and during, their flings with the alphas.
Before I found this webpage, I would have thought the young accountant had lucked out with this young woman. Now, I have a very different attitude.
Thanks, Roissy.
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“Carl Sagan
Game has been reviled by so many shows on network television that I’m not surprised by this.”
Interesting that game is going on all shows.
“Roissy
Kevin to give “backhanded compliments” to the o m e g a woman Kevin wants to date”
Ahh another benefit to not watching TV.
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He is the kind of beta guy girls want around to support them after, and during, their flings with the alphas.
It’s possible he’s a killer alpha in the relationship while others don’t necessarily pick up on it. Maybe he’s quiet and shy guy to the world (though not a pushover) but when they are alone, he fields her shit tests, negs her, carries himself like he’s got a pair, doesn’t put up with her shit, and jackhammer-drills her four times a week with his gigantick cock.
Unlikely, but not impossible. I’ve known guys (two in particular I have in mind) who seem beta to most people but have a near-magical hold on their woman.
But your impression is more likely, with the betatude of our culture and all. If that’s the case, he’s breaking the number one rule of LTR Game: Never marrry a girl who does not love you.
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Shines light in Thursday’s eye. Tell the truth. Were you gaming your best friends wife?
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I submit pa’s paragraph for inclusion in the roissy book one day. lol
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Kind of off-topic, but but what would it look like for an alpha to confess love for a woman that he has known/been in a relationship with for a long time? Usually, if I want to tell a woman that I have feelings for her (in a non-beta way), I can throw in a “you love me” with a serious face.
I have gone through roissy’s posts and haven’t found anything (maybe 16 commandments of poon) talking about this specifically. I know the 2/3 ratio… for every 3 times she calls/expresses love, she gets 2 in return.
I love to deliver a neg, and when the girl acts dramatic (fake hitting, “stop it!” etc.) I grab her shoulder lightly and put on a serious face and say “you love me.”
Also.. if she says “i like you” or “i love you” I say “i know” or “i love/like me too”
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Thursday,
Of course women want spontinaeity, women don’t want to have to teach their man how to become more attractive to them. However, love is a very powerful emotion and I do believe that if a woman loved a beta-man enough and was losing attraction for him fast, that she wouldn’t object to trying to help him become more attractive to her (it would probably fail though because game is not a very universal concept and the fact that it is counterintuitive and that most women wouldn’t be able to explain it, because if when game is spoken about, most women would say, “I wouldn’t/don’t like that!”)
However, I have seen/heard about a lot of women trying to help their husbands/boyfriends in terms of the bedroom (eating pussy, etc.)
The fact that the woman was put off by the calculated nature says nothing about game itself, but says something about one’s tactics to try and use techniques to pick up women. When, in fact, game is improving oneself in the departments of self-confidence, knowledge and know-how to be a better, well-rounded person. It is no different than that man trying to learn how to eat pussy better. I think learning about game is one of the most unselfish (self-serving, but unselfish) things a man can do. Women will ultimately thank him for it in the end.
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OK, here’s some random disjointed opinions.
Strange how Jenna Fischer (Pam) dumps her husband once she blows up in popularity back in 2007. Very much like Katie Holmes was engaged and about to marry but dumped her fiance once Tom Cruise showed the slightest interest.
I agree with posters above who think TV writers (typically betas and females) would want to lash out at game. That being said, the only people that I know in real life that actively practice “game” are tools and the obese, who think it gives them some kind of magical words to make girls overlook their glaring Omega status. I’m sure there are guys out there that make good use of those techniques though, provided they aren’t physically revolting to begin with.
Funny also that Lily Allen was banging some rich dude 23 years older than her recently (Jay Joplin). She has a very realistic outlook on life as far as I’m concerned. Like the post above with the link to her new song, she knows that a woman’s societal value greatly drops past 30.
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what would it look like for an alpha to confess love for a woman that he has known/been in a relationship with for a long time?
You know that Billy Joel song, “Tell her about it?”
Ignore his advice. It’s poison.
There are times when a fully open, cards on the table, can’t-fight-this-feeling “I love you” is due. Those moments are extremely rare. Make her value them like gold.
As you probably already sense, promiscuously blatehring of “I love yous” costs you in her eyes. If you actually do love her and take care of her, she picks up on it and you don’t need to say it often.
At other times, say it in a fun/light way. Like when you see that she did something really thoughtful. For example — and this is actually me this afternoon — I noticed that my wife bought me a high quality flavored coffee sampler I once mentioned I’d like to try but had since completely forgotten I about it.
I was genuinely moved by this. What I felt was that I am the luckest guy alive to have her. But what I did was to walk into the living room, winked at her and said with a pirate’s grin: “Thanks babe! that was awesome. It just proves that I am a friggin Alpha, to have a cool girl like you do these nice things for me.” (We speak another language at home so the translation is loose, but the Alpha-Beta lingo she’s familiar with.)
Then there are times when your girl will get that tender feeling and say “I love you.” And she will not want you to spoil the moment by parroting it back to her. Instead, fix her with a faux-menacing grin, and slowly, with your best Jack Nicholson voice, reply “I didn’t ask.”
Trust me. If you do it right, she’ll soak her panties for you. Especially if she is a good girl.
Remember: with women, words are cheap, so measure them well. It’s “show me, don’t tell me.”
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Jim is a fool for going with Pam over Karen.
That is all.
Zdeno
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PA, how come you don’t have a blog?
I prefer the Han Solo “I know” as a response to her saying she loves you. I also like:
“I am fond of you”
“I really, really like you”
“No shit!”
etc etc. Basically don’t just say: “I love you too”
Once she expects and receives the words every time she says them, it becomes an automatic thing and the words completely lose their meaning. Like “please” and “thank you” it’s just a habit that you’re in every night before sleep or whenever.
I disagree that it should only be said casually. I say, use it rarely and shoot for maximum impact. First thing in the morning, post-coital, right after she has done something awesome – when you do legitimately love a woman, telling her feels good.
Look at me getting all teared up… and people say pua’s have no hearts!
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Wait, hold on, Jim from the office has crossed into Alpha territory?
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“That being said, the only people that I know in real life that actively practice “game” are tools and the obese, who think it gives them some kind of magical words to make girls overlook their glaring Omega status.”
Anytime a man succeeds with a woman, he has run Game in some way or form. Anytime you’ve laid a chick, she has granted you that privilege as a reward for running good Game on her.
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Thursday, it is just great you mentioned Lilly Allen.
I had already noticed that. Did you hear the single Listen? It shows how white women are nowadays all across the Americas, Oceania and the non ex Communist Europe.
It’s just brilliant. But I guessed I was simply insane.
For a man’s point of view, have you heard the hit of Coldplay, Viva La Vida? “I used to rule the world, now I sleep alone”.
What could possibly symblise more the downfall and current situation of white men? And really, maybe I am exagerating but it is my own interpretation.
And the fact that they two come from Britain, the most powerfull European Nation, the bulk of European Civilisation… it speaks for himself.
Nobody said the world was not fair but nobody meant it to be so cruel neither.
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I’ve always thought Pam looks about 5 years older than Jim. Jim still looks 25-28 years old, but Pam seems 32-33. Yeah, looks wise, he could do better.
The Office is also a typical example of how Hollywood sneaks pro-liberal versus dumb-conservative arguments into shows. The bizarre blond chick (the nasty one who got Dwight and the other guy to fight over her) is shown to be a religious Christian-McCain supporter, but is painted very darkly. She’s shrewish, intolerant, manipulative, and very dislikable.
Contrast that with Omar and Jim, the two “normal acting” males who constantly represent the normal viewers pov on the bizarre characters. Omar is gay, but shown to be perfectly rationale and non-flamboyant, and his encounters with the blond chick make her seem mean and stupid. Jim also gives snide looks and mocking attacks against various conservative-strawmen situations. Dwight often evokes proto-conservative messages, but his bizarre nature makes them seem stupid because Dwight is such a parihah.
This is typical Hollywood propaganda: set up a conservative straw man (going back to the William Jennings Bryant character in Inherit the wind) versus a liberal who, in all personal regards, is an absolutely perfect human being and likable. Have the conservative bluster irrationally, and then the liberal gently mock and outright embarrass the conservative. After all, what was Will & Grace but however many years of Will being the most compassionate saint on television who just wants to be married to a soul mate?
We’ve been seeing it for so long, its almost unnoticeable, especially given the talent of the writers and actors to work them in. It’s sad my TV viewing of otherwise good shows is so ruined at times by having my ideals mocked.
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PA–
I feel much the same about Two and Half Men.
If anything I feel more strongly negative towards Alan than you do. I find him nearly unbearable after awhile. I fast forward through him. It’s also no accident that he’s played by a clearly gay man. A type of gay man.
I’ve set my DVR to record it for some time now, but have come to fast forward through a lot/most of it. Basically, I now only watch bits that have charlie and or alan with him interacting with a hot girl. That’s not just because I like watching hot girls. (Though the one’s on show tend to be a bit too old, in their mid thirties usually, to be representative of the type that Charlie would date. They generally pretend to be in their twenties, but generally clearly aren’t.) It’s because I like watching Charlie’s alpha interactions with them, and the contrast to Alan’s attempts to interact with them. That and only that is what I’d recommend beta’s watch the show for, at least some. But yes, don’t be mislead by Charlie’s occassional descent into betatude. If you watch his alpha moves much you’ll realize it’s out of character, and either written by different writers, or under different instructions.
I’ve long since found any scene with Alan’s first ex-wife painful, and with their mother unbearable — fast forward city. The kid also gets annoying, though at first is quite funny. Really he is at each age stage, but it gets old fast.
Kandi, Alan’s second wife and then ex wife though is hot, hot, hot and always a delight. Her attraction to Alan initially is also absurd, especially when Charlie’s right there, but in any event. It obviously takes a lot of talent, and some intelligence, to play her innocent in everything but sex bimbo role so well.
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doug, I think Kandi slept with Charlie initially; they stopped seeing each other and Alan stepped in and started schtupping her.
She talks about it humorously as Charlie sex being a rollercoaster (fun, but you know you’ll survive) and Alan sex as “being in a car driven up a really steep hill by a really smart kangaroo.” Memorable, if unmeaningful.
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PA
Well done PA. Priceless. The whole post.
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PS 2 and half men suuuucks as a show. Very trite and poor. I am shocked it caught on. Knowing that it has a message of Charlie being right and Alan being wrong changes it a bit, but its very poor overall.
It kind of reminds of 3’s company updated so that Larry has more backbone and Jack married Janet and became an emasculated mess (she always was a bitch).
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This is confusing, I agree with you here. But, it is counterintuitive that women want men to keep acting beta when they only really fall for alphas. Not only that, but they seem not only to disapprove of beta behavior, but women actively resent it, so much so that they develop hatred and indignance towards their beta providers (and their behavior).
Well, you have to look at it from the perspective of a girl.
A guy who approaches a lot of girls know that the ‘system’ by which his ‘alpha’/’beta’ catagorization is achieved is, to a large extent, a magic random number generator. You can change the percentages, but it’s still got a lot of randomness to it.
Now. Do you think a woman is actually going to accept the iron-clad 100% successfull method by which she ‘protects her precious egg’ is wrong a great deal of the time?
OF COURSE NOT. A Beta is ALWAYS Beta. Was always Beta. From the Dawn of Time. An Alpha is ALWAYS Alpha. Was always Alpha.
So she doesn’t believe a ‘Beta’ was ever anything but. He was always Beta. Always. So how can ‘Game’ change the super-magic always-right system by which she ‘protects her precious egg’ from a no to a dripping yes?
If a woman excepts that Game works, then it basically destroys her idiotic certainity in the most important decision most women make.
Can you see how that would be kinda hard to accept?
Game is, therefore, impossible.
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I had already noticed that. Did you hear the single Listen?
By who?
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Doug – good points about Two and Half Men. One area I disagree is the scenes with their mother. They’re among the most hillarious of the series.
I also like the scenes with Bertha, their fat housekeeper with earthy wisdom. In fact, in a recent episode Charlie was telling her about some new-age gibberish he picked up from his ball-busting feminist shrink and she reinterpreted what that with to-the-point comment that is consistent with Game. (Sorry, I forgot the specifics.)
Two other scenes that are true-to-Game:
– a recent episode, in which both Charlie and Alan two-time thier girlfriends (of course, Charlie’s are hot broads and Alan’s are divorced cougars). Both guys are confronted with a question “are you seeing otehr women?” Charlise respinds with classic a Mystery dodge, while Alan breaks down and spills the beans.
– About two seasons ago, 10-year-old Jake goes to his first coed party, and Charlie impresses upon Alan (Jake’s dad) how important it is for him to present himself as an Alpha at the party, and how that party’s events will affect his fortunes with women for the rest of his life.
I agree, of late, the actresses that play Charlie’s flings have been looking a bit on the old side.
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Brad —
Let me explain it to you. Or I should say try to, because it’s hard to get though to people at all quickly on this. They have often have to hear it explained, and demonstrated, again and again, in different ways using different examples, for it to start getting through.
First of all women aren’t thinking clearly on this any more than beta guys are, or for that matter most natural alpha guy’s who don’t consciously practice game. They too have been profoundly programed by the our hyper feminist influenced media, especially the entertainment side. In some ways women think even less clearly about this. Feminist or many of them really believe gender is entirely or primarily socially constructed and really believe that society will be much better overall, and certainly for women, if everyone believes that. Yes there’s a contradiction in who they find hottest but they try hard to ignore than, just as they try hard to ignore their knowledge that on average blacks aren’t as smart as whites.
Secondly or relatedly, most women think men just naturally are or are not attractive to them. They think it’s good looks much more than it really is. (E.g. women will interpret a high T kinda guy as hot and if pressed “good looking” even if he’s not handsome. They’ll say he has his “own kind” of good looks or something. Further to the extent they think that male attractiveness can be learned, as they probably think smarts or leadership is learned, they think it’s learned early and all over maybe by high school but anyway by college, that the die is irrevocably set by then. They’re often right re: natural alphas, but not entirely esp. for certain kinds of mid and esp. higher betas who are that mostly because of bad programming. So women are really resistant to thinking game can work, at least to do anything more than “trick” a woman into bed the first time or two. If they know about game they think it’s fake, and a kind of fraud on women.
Thirdly, feminists and women in general want most men they work with to be beta programmed. They don’t want to be hasselled by guys they’re not attracted to. Since they think highly attractive guys (alphas) are born or anyway made by college, they don’t want beta’s annoying them by trying to be alphas. They want much the same thing in guy friends. The safest route for liberal minded girls is gay friends, which we all know is popular in big cities. Betas kept in their place can also work though.
Getting the drift?
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Brad–
As for why some alphas would want to spread the word about game, remember the importance of being a leader in becoming alpha, or certainly more than a lesser alpha. This blog makes Roissy a big time internet leader among men in the area of dealing successfully with women. He has quite a few women followers as well, or has had for a period of a number of months until they learn the drift of what he has to say. (And in some cases no doubt, either do or don’t succeed in luring him into something personal.)
As well most guys who dispense a lot of PUA advice get paid for doing it, one way or another.
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PA–
Yeah, I found the mother scenes to be very funny at first too, but they get old and repetitive to me after awhile. She’s a pretty one dimensional character, unlike Charlie. Though she was obviously once very hot, according to the script. Cold though. Golddigger central.
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Roissy, be careful, DC’s HIV pos rate is sky high.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/14/AR2009031402176_pf.html
Probably all the federal employees.
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“Probably all the federal employees.”
Remove the ‘de’ and they become ‘feral employees’ which is what they will soone make of our society.
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As a semi-“race realist”, my first instinct for D.C.’s high rate was the black population, but 1.4% of DC whites having HIV is extremely disturbing. (4% for the black population)
For those who were wondering, Jenna Fischer is about five and a half years older than John Krasinski.
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Alan by the way in “Two and a Half Men” manages by the way he acts and by his absolute pinning it failure in his divorce settlements to be a lower beta bordering on omega.
He does have a quasi professional job, and he does live in a Malibu beach house, albeit his brother’s, and he isn’t fat, which is all that keeps him from being omega.
But yeah getting a no fault divorce in America, and especially California, even if you do everything right in how you legally strategize, will automatically move any higher beta down to middle or lower beta territory, esp. if he has kids, unless he’s rich, has an excellently tough pre-nup, or at least upper middle class. (Might require upper upper middle class if he’s got kids. I.e. he’s a bigger firm lawyer or doctor or earns similarly.)
If he’s alpha on the strength of his T and leadership or his game it’s much rosier post divorce re: his continuing alpha status. That will depend a lot less on free and clear money in his case.
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PA –
I dont really disagree with the general idea of your post, but this is super gay:
“But what I did was to walk into the living room, winked at her and said with a pirate’s grin: “Thanks babe! that was awesome. It just proves that I am a friggin Alpha, to have a cool girl like you do these nice things for me.””
Also:
“Instead, fix her with a faux-menacing grin, and slowly, with your best Jack Nicholson voice, reply “I didn’t ask.” ”
This would have to be used in the right situation, and it depends on the relationship, but otherwise when paired with the above, it just comes off as you trying way to hard to be a badass, and is lame.
Lurker –
“It’s sad my TV viewing of otherwise good shows is so ruined at times by having my ideals mocked.”
Obviously they are easy to mock.
But surprisingly you think,
“PS 2 and half men suuuucks as a show. Very trite and poor.”
Couldnt agree more. The McDonalds of comedy. Pretty lame how often it seems to get mentioned around here. But yeah, totally liberal bias/conspiracy and all that…
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Again, the majority of men will NOT learn Game. There are too many men, women, and TV shows making it hard for the typical man to think outside the box to the extent needed to learn Game.
Of those men who become aware of Game, 90% never get to the point of learning to approach frequently and well.
Thus, a man who even learns MODERATE Game will be in the top 2% of the market. 98% of men will be below him.
All else being equal, a man with moderate Game is on par with a man who has a net worth of $2 Million. That is the monetary value I assign to moderate Game.
Advanced Game would be worth $10 Million or more, but that is another topic. Very few guys, including many who write blogs and run seminars, can actually execute advanced Game.
I define Moderate Game as :
***1) Be able to do approaches consistently and well. Without good approach skills, no other area of Game can be practiced enough to learn it.
2) Be able to neg/qualify her properly and naturally. Avoid Beta bait throughout. Make her think her existing boyfriend is Beta.
***3) Get around flaking. Flaking is the big discourager of aspiring PUAs. It is extremely frustrating, and takes great skill to get around.
4) Have enough stories/banter/palmistry to develop comfort and rapport for several hours. Be able to do this naturally.
5) Be able to get her to your place or hers, and run seduction Game. Be smart enough NOT to run seduction themes before you have her alone, as this guarantees flaking.
Points 1) and 3) are the hardest to master, and block off the greatest number of students.
I define this as Moderate Game. This is equal to having a net worth of $2 Million, in terms of your success rate with women.
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PA: Example of failed ‘love you’:
I ask ex to leave my place. He does not. I repeatedly try to ask him nicely to leave and he pointblank refuses. I walk out, leaving him in my room on his own and go to the dark livingroom to sit there in boiling anger having lost trust in him: my place, my rules, my safety and he didn’t get that or how important it was.
After a while, he got the message and left maybe finding me and saying something apologetic. I don’t remember. All I remember is coming back into my room and finding him having repetitively written ‘I love you’ on a postitnote for me.
Too little, too late.
After a few days of glaring at it, I shred it into little pieces and throw it in the bin. Have to get rid of all evidence of being courted anyway out of paranoia, but I can’t ignore the vicious pleasure I took in it.
Yeah: it’s what you do, not what you say.
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Rick: I got the ‘I’m being silly but you know there’s truth in this joke’ vibe off what PA said? Don’t think it’s meant to come across as straight up serious badass.
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Roissy,
If Erik Von Markovic would have named “negs” something like “teaser remark” or “tease observation” or “teasing statement” or “tease line”…………………………………….I bet even YOU would be astonished how much more popular learning game tactics might be.
“Teasing” is something people playfully accept as part of human nature and kids do it on playgrounds all the time. People -remember- playful teasing from their own youth.***
Thats what turns people off at the start. The word “neg” sounds like a intentionally hurtful emotional-insult to the virgin ears of the naturally skeptical (and anyone who isn’t naturally skeptical of any new trend in this age probably falls for many things……the thinking are going to turn a squeezed and focused eye on any new idea to discern its possibilities).
***Taki Theodoreacoupolous, legendary ladies man despite being married for decades, attributed some of our birthrate decline to the lack and quality of teasing by Western men toward Western women. If you think about what a great potential neg like, “you dress just like my mom” is going to do to a woman psychologically all at once from a stranger (demonstrate high percieved self-value on your part, suprise her, make her self-conscious, amuse and humor her, make her feel like she has to remark on her SELF and defend her choice of clothes, make her want to “get you back” by saying something similar about YOU), its a beautific way to start a conversation from the gamer’s standpoint. Certainly better than “Hi my name is Tom and I’m an architect and I gradutated from Blank State Community College and I’m here because ……….”. It takes someone’s mind completely off of all of that single existentialism bullshit, and puts them right back on that playful playground, back when the boys and girls liked each other naturally and were not inuidated by all the P.C. Feminist bullshit that makes men uber-afraid of offending women now.
“Teasing=negging” might be a effective marketing ploy for men wanting to teach other men game to make them more willing to listen————-like TokyoJesusFist for instance.
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Rick — this is super gay
Context, execution, two people familiar with each others’ personalities, and translation from memory from another language.
it just comes off as you trying way to hard to be a badass, and is lame.
Have you tried it? (with the correct timing and execution)
it just comes off as you trying way to hard to be a badass
It’s the idea of keeping things fun. She also gets to see your normal everyday personality the other 99% of the time, as well as having shared memories of important and intense moments, which rounds out the context.
Bhetti — ouch. An apology “I.L.U?” That’s even more beta than the “luvya’s” my fellow train commuters robotically recite into their cell phones when they finish taking their grocery shopping dictation, as though they were saying “Roger-Out.”
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“Tood,
Thus, a man who even learns MODERATE Game will be in the top 2% of the market. 98% of men will be below him.
All else being equal, a man with moderate Game is on par with a man who has a net worth of $2 Million. That is the monetary value I assign to moderate Game.
Advanced Game would be worth $10 Million or more, but that is another topic. Very few guys, including many who write blogs and run seminars, can actually execute advanced Game.”
This brings up interesting shit as far as I am concerned Tood. If game can have value wouldn’t that be in lets say gaming 3 nurses and getting them to hand over the paychecks.
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PA: Beautiful description of “Roger, out” love yas! I know those too!
Problem is when you’re in honeymoon phase, it gets ritualised when saying goodbye. Omitting it then becomes a passive way of dramatically declaring you’re upset.
I even have a friend (girl) who insists on saying it when ending each phone call with me. I made it clear that I’m not saying it unless I mean it, so I haven’t replied with it. She always always waits for me to say it and has occasionally come out with ‘nobody loves me anymore’ drama. I could reply back with it at some point, but it’s just a lie I can’t keep up for her selfish self anymore.
Hate pressure ‘love you’s, how sincere is that ever going to be? It’s probably one more way of wittling away someone’s affection for you.
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Brad
Women want to fall in love with an Alpha, tame him and therebey lower his testosterone and turn him into a married Beta provider, and then get some opportunistically on the side or leave him if something better shows up.
It is a war of the sexes. Women are largely unaware of this, and consider themselves a sisterhood of devout angels.
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I wonder to what extent game applies to female friendships. One theory is that all women are bisexual, but even without that theory; does acting like an alpha ensure the same dynamic extended to male counterparts?
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PA,
My fault, I didnt catch the another language part and I guess I didnt read it as being a ‘jokey’ as it might have been. Agreed that correct timing and execution would be key. For all the good advice Roissy gives, there is tons of horrible and misguided advice given in the comments, so its easy to misinterpret some things.
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Todd
There are so many sources for “game” these days that its hard to seperate the trash from the treasure.
What would you recommend for getting from beginner to medium and then to the advanced level?
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i don’t think i would categorize jim as alpha, at least not with his relaitonship with pam. he was very very beta in pursuing her, it took several seasons to get him to make a true move on her.
he was more agressive with other girls he dated like karen and the redhead in season 1. other people might think differently though. he is the most desireable of the three based on looks and personality i guess…
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sparks,
DC has a large gay population as well.
Still, with those kind of numbers, it’s time for white heterosexuals to be careful as well.
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Not so at all Men rise and fall, and along with our fortunes so does our testosterone. And confidence.
We are like zebrafish in that way. We don’t get larger or smaller, more and less agressive, depending on how much territory we control.
Men and women know this.
Get some money and start fucking around and you will feel alpha. Lose all your money and your women and have a string of social losses, and you will feel on the underside of life.
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I know what you mean, but what else is there in a TVserial that shows the contrast between alpha and beta as being heavily behavioral, rather than all about good looks?
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
I basically watch some of it sometimes hoping against hope that some of this is getting through to some guys. I also hope they’ll get some inkling of what a screw job for men divorce esp. with kids is in America. Of course on that the show hedges its bets against clamorus feminist outrage by also claiming that that’s because Alan was so hopeless in how he handled his divorce law and strategy, but I think some of that message, or at least a strong hint to LOOK INTO IT must get through. Doesn’t it?
Actually, guys, you tell me. If you haven’t long before this blog thought of yourself as something of a player with the girls, and you have watched the show, DID that current American divorce message get through to you?
Please guys, answer!
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Now this here is one delicious GNP!
Peter
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Rick–
Everything you critiqued PA about in that post is just wrong. I’m not saying that other replies in those situations would work too, but PA’s would, if delivered right. Guys who haven’t gone there always think a lot of this stuff will seem fake, when it doesn’t.
Even if / though his wife may know by now that some of this is a little canned, or she’ll think habitual, she also knows it’s him, and he’s strong. He’s confident. He’s my alpha and he isn’t a needy weakling I can push around.
Just not being easy to push around, but not getting there by being rigid to petualant or passive aggressive, is a BIG step up for a whole lot of American men. Seriously.
The whole message of American media that in any happy marriage, men are always wrong and should always apologize is so 180 degrees wrong that I don’t know what to say. Except do the exact opposite of following that advice.
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Bhetti–
I for one don’t think there’s anything wrong with responding to a woman’s light “love you” in off on a business trip type situations, etc., with a light “me too babe” or some such.
The thing is, always, or usually, make yours a little less full throated than hers. And yeah sometimes say something like “I didn’t ask. But thanks – with a wink, or wry smile. I.e. a TEASING signal of some kind. Play with her sometimes. And be formulaic sometimes.
Roissy’s general advice of returning at the volume or rate of 1 to her 3 is I think pretty good. Especially when you understand that is be understood at the EMOTIONAL volume level, rather than following some rigid formula in one dimension level.
This is all basically because women WANT to follow men their romantically involved with, and in fact want to feel really IMPELLED to follow them, just as much as men want to be followed, or gain a real sexual thrill when they can control a woman emotionally and sexually in that way. Whereas current American hyper feminist culture is all about teaching women how to control their men, and teaching men to submit to that female control in relationships and certainly in marriage.
This will of course seem like cold or at least calculated manipulation, and maybe it does begin that way. it can be learned though and become part of your personality, like much of the rest of your personality or anyway behaviors was learned by emulation of others (though some is genetically inherited as well, its a blend).
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2 + 1/2 men would be a lot better if the show had fraternal, but similar good looking twins in the two roles. Who acted in pretty much the same contrasting ways that Charlie and Alan do.
That would make it a lot more controversial though. Which might boost ratings, at the cost of feminist outrage.
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[…] some guys out there think this is the killer opener, lol. I think it’s kinda strange, but here’s how I would […]
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Two and a Half Men – the alpha/beta dichotomy is the only good thing about it. And the recent more sensitive Charlie makes me want to vomit.
Jim’s not alpha. He’s kind of faggy to me. And Pam is a beta’s girlfriend, not an alpha’s. Dwight might be more alpha than Jim – he was fucking Angela while she was married to Andy.
Anybody got any game techniques to use on this cute girl who sits next to me in class?
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“There are so many sources for “game” these days that its hard to seperate the trash from the treasure.
What would you recommend for getting from beginner to medium and then to the advanced level?”
1) Practice as much as you can, both by yourself and with wingmen from the lair in your city (if you have one).
2) Keep a journal, or at least notes on
3) Post reports to a lair mailing list of somewhere else where you can get critiques.
4) Practice again.
But it is not easy. Points 1) and 3) are very hard.
Advanced Game : This is very rare, and many of the people who earn big bucks running seminars can’t do it. Pickup101’s Lance Mason has a girlfriend who is only average looking. Mystery was totally Beta-ized by Katya. Tyler Durden is a questionable practitioner. I doubt Roissy can execute advanced Game. There are very few who indisputably run advanced Game. I certainly cannot.
But get to Moderate Game. Even that is a blessed life.
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Here’s a story for Peter:
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20090313_N_J__salon_owners_to_state__Mind_your_own__quot_B_quot__wax.html
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I for one don’t think there’s anything wrong with responding to a woman’s light “love you” in off on a business trip type situations, etc., with a light “me too babe” or some such.
See, I can’t do that. I have to say I love you right back, or I’ll feel guilty especially if I actually love her.
OTOH, I’ll reserve je t’aime for a whisper in the middle of fucking.
Boring Side Quest for Sampling Purposes:
Petite & Irish: I hate the mall. It’s so big.
DA: Maybe it’s because you’re so small.
Fat & Bitchy: Is that my iPod? Why did you steal my iPod?
DA: I don’t steal from nice people.
Non-Date: I’m bitchy and tired today. It’s my period.
DA: It’s always your period.
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DA
It’s an improvement DA. It’s a start. It’s ever so slightly negging in a teasing sort of way, which is the right idea.
With hot girls you just met or from time to time after they know you, you need to turn up the bite, but it’s not bad with 6 type girls on down.
Get this trough your head, you ARE SHORT CHANGING her if you do that.
Why? Because over time if it’s a relationship and by some miracle she starts out loving the current you, in time she will less if you go that way. She WANTS to have to chase you and be lead by you if she views you as a lover. She probably doesn’t consciously know that, or thinks that’s only true for a tiny # of sweep off her feet guys, but you want to be more like such a guy, as much as you can be.
For that my approach is way better than yours in this micro example. It is David, it is. Relearn your personality. Start faking it tell it’s real. The second half of this last post of yours is much better, as I say at the top.
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Thanks for lightening up my comments with genuine, strong and intuitive discussion guys. I’ve had a great time reading and I have learned quite a few things as well.
xsplat-
I love the concept of the war of the sexes. If the goal is to marry and alpha and turn him into a beta and then ditch that person when something better comes along (did this happen as a result of the laws in our society, because it seems that divorce rules/laws give women a very easy, almost perfect, situation to do this). They can have children with the alpha, turn him into a beta, leave him for another alpha and get 50% of everything, the house and gain child support payments. Is the goal then to have more offspring with the second alpha? Because if I’m not mistaken, women become somewhat infertile by 35-40… and usually, these days, women aren’t having children until around this time. Also, how often does this become a reality? Do alphas usually cave when getting into family relationships?
PA, Zdeno –
I like the thought process behind your “long-term” thoughts on carrying on your alpha status. I had the right idea, it’s just good to get more examples.
dougjnn –
This is very true! I have a lot of the time seen women come up with unbelievably weird justifications and scenarios to explain their “undying” love for an (alpha) male that isn’t that attractive physically. They will chop it up to “he’s cute to me” or something like “it’s in a different way, one that (you) could never understand!”
Also, the widely controversial topic of women being hit by men is also justified this way. A woman will be told, “he’s a jerk!” and respond with, “I know but I love him” or “You don’t know what he’s like when we’re alone!”
This is a phenomena that I never truly understood until I was in my first relationship and after treating her badly sometimes (before I grasped game, back then I thought women just liked assholes) she would say things like this to outside parties (her friends, her family, etc.)
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Tood,
“There are very few who indisputably run advanced Game. I certainly cannot.”
That is what David Koresh was running lol Probably spelled wrong.
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From what I heard Tyler Durden is an absolute king at game. However, I have no first hand experience.
OTOH, I’ve read almost all his posts on his blog and watched the “Blueprint” series. What he says is purely incredible. Very interesting perspectives on life (more than just women).
Generally speaking, nobody out there is going to be 100% successful 100% of the time, so what is exactly ‘advanced’ game?
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It’s an improvement DA. It’s a start.
Just for that, I’ll stop teasing women.
Get this trough your head, you ARE SHORT CHANGING her if you do that.
Fuck, then I guess I’ll have to short change her.
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PA
Then she shouldn’t fucking say it. It’s like asking someone what the time is and then expecting them to talk about the weather.
Zdeno
If she doesn’t want them to lose their meaning, she shouldn’t say them so often.
Anon78
It is entirely possible to succeed with women without playing the game.
z
I find negging/teasing to be embarrasing no matter what it’s called.
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hah! I notice this hostility to game in TV shows all the time, its got its good and bad points.
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Bhetti —
Excellent example. Should be crystal clear to any man who’s read any of Roissy.
Great contribution.
(As well I say to you men who are clearly having troubling getting dates with women you find attractive, but should be at least decent marriage material by the official standards (betas), why the hell haven’t you read every single post that Roissy has written since he began this blog, and the comments to all the most enlightening or confusing ones to you? How lazy are you about something that’s so important to you?)
That’s it. Full stop.
Except to say that I have, I’ve found this blog so interesting. That is after discovering it about six months ago. And I’ve bedded in the triple digits.
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I find negging/teasing to be embarrasing no matter what it’s called.
Girls freaking love to be teased. They practically squeal with delight when you do it. It’s so much fun for both of you, I don’t see any reason why anyone _wouldn’t_ want to do it. If properly done, it just shows you don’t take things too seriously and aren’t kissing her ass.
P.S. This isn’t an attempt to convince TJF of anything, so please don’t reply. Just a great opportunity to make an observation.
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Gunslingergreg–
You’re absolutely right. Although a natural he was also very calculating, and was a master at female seduction and control. So yeah he added conscious game to his unconscious natural female Svengali attractiveness.
Nobody said game is always used for pure and noble purposes.
It just isn’t remotely always, or actually very often used for really evil ones. Though in Koresh’s case it obviously was.
No one thing solves everything. Balance.
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Brad —
It happened because of feminism, which is a version or application in one macro area of current leftism. The progression was to create a moral imperative among the lefitist influenced elite, and to move from there to lots of cultural messages through the mass media, especially entertainment media, and from there to cement the momentum by legal changes in such areas as 1) affirmative action extended to women, despite their more or less equal IQ anywhere not far removed from the mean; 2) sexual harrasement law, to support women entering into the workplace in higher positions, by requiring that all the accomodating be done by men so that e.g. firemen and similar accustomed to having playmate centerfolds in their work space remove them as their obvious necessary obeissance to the entering firewomen, and making men guilty until proven guilty, and making trivial acts like a light butt spank not repeated after rebuke, a fireable offense; 3) divorce law changes which I don’t feel like going into again right now, read my voluminous comments in the “Wed Man Walking” for or five blog posts ago; 4) domestic violence law changes, including the federal Violence Against Women law, which among other things is extremist and totally contrary to all anything close to modern traditions of Anglosphere law in making men guilty until proven innocent in way after way, and in creating huge consequences in many cases to trivial acts of male violence against women living with them who may well have been FAR more violent first.
That’s a start.
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So when do readers predict that we will start seeing the effectiveness of game markedly diminished?
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Thursday–
As you well know know they quite literally do if young enough easily, and if older, if you do it really right.
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“So when do readers predict that we will start seeing the effectiveness of game markedly diminished?”
Not in the next 30 years.
Why are you even worried about this? Be honest with yourself, are you just trying to find an excuse not to do the hard (and often humiliating) work needed to achieve moderate Game?
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“From what I heard Tyler Durden is an absolute king at game. However, I have no first hand experience.”
NO. He is a King at explaining Game, and doing approaches. Most novices see this and get impressed. His latter follow-up is flawed, and he is too specialized in club-game for drunk women. Not day-game.
Roissy may or may not be good at executing Game. We just don’t know. Writing about Game skillfully does not automatically equate to practical execution.
Why are there a lot more basketball coaches than star players?
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Negging is BEAUTIFUL. It is one of the best parts of Game, that I look forward to the most.
I love saying :
“Your nose twitches when you talk. Sort of like is hamster I saw in the petstore”
“That purse is nice. My aunt Hilda has one just like it.”
Superb fun.
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“It happened because of feminism, which is a version or application in one macro area of current leftism. ”
This truly is scary. Even if a man does not marry, he is screwed even if a woman lives with him. He is screwed even if he has Game, as he can be charged with ‘Date Rape’, or the woman can trick him into getting pregnant in order to bilk child support.
The only safe thing is to only do casual Game and make out, and not fuck at all.
This is why, despite the horrors of Islam, I want it to make some inroads into our society. Wusses like tokyojesuspissed would rather be a slave of feminism than have even a bit of Islam in the West, but I think a small does of Islam will do wonders. Feminists will expend a lot of their resources to condemn Islam (eventually, when it actually becomes enough of a threat to them), while Muslims will go an bomb the HQs of some feminists orgs and magazines.
A bit more Islam will do a world of good.
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Dougjnn,
Great points. I think we are not far from a major backlash against feminism (which unfortunately will make decent, innocent women suffer along with it).
1) Violence against women will be more tolerated. Fewer men will defend a woman who is being mugged.
2) More men will gather the stones to get pre-nups.
3) Leftists will allow Muslims to practice Muslim law in the US (which is already the default in Britain). Thus, many US men will convert to Islam, just to get better divorce law terms.
4) More men will learn Game
5) More men will marry foreign women, or just move to foreign countries.
6) Technology will advance to create 3-D, holographic VR systems that are compellingly real. This will happen by 2020. As I wrote before, while men are competing against a leftist legal system, women are competing against technology.
I think feminist power is peaking, and the pendulum is swinging back (much like an old feminist’s pendulous tits).
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Not at all, I was thrilled with the results I got just by spreading my legs, leaning back and smirking while sitting in conversation with a girl i’ve liked for a while. The difference was so obvious that all that needs to happen for america to be over run by gamers is for the average man to say ‘hmm, i’ll try this’ and then notice the change. I would estimate that we will see marked changes in the next 2-3 years
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Brad
Women don’t consciously decide to fall out of love, any more than men do. It seems part of our biology that its the norm to fall out of romantic love after one or two years. The difference worth noting about women is that they are opportunistic feeders of two things: 1)Alpha sperm, and 2)An Alpha protector.
Men are opportunistic about pussy in a cute young body.
As soon as they are married, women do their damnedest to turn the Alpha into a private toy boy. This is not due to laws – it’s female nature. The strategy of her genes, played out into her subconscious instincts.
It’s in the womens genes best interest to cuckold a child, or change partners, and not have all her kids from the same dad. So not even Donald Trump can stop keeping a close eye on Ivana, or whoever he is “married” to. And they got divorced – possibly because she got uber-bitchy, and initiated divorce through nagging.
As for the rest of your questions, I’ll let other interested parties throw in their view, as the whole concept of marriage disgusts me. I”m out of that game, and prefer muchly other games.
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Thursday
Humor is one thing, but the kind of negging that PUAs always talk about is just embarrasing, no matter how much women like it.
Tood
False dilemma. This is not a choice between Islam and feminism, and I have not expressed any support for feminism.
There is no such thing. Islam is a complete regulation of society from top to bottom. You, an infidel, can’t just cherry pick some things you like about Islam and then expect Muslim to implement only those things.
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I was just watching Bill Mahers movie Religiosity. It’s quite funny. And quite poignant. I suggest you download the torrent through a search on thepiratebay. org . You’ll be very entertained, and his final point will certainly touch you, deeply, and make you think. It did me.
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“There is no such thing. Islam is a complete regulation of society from top to bottom.”
So are leftism and feminism.
What else?
If the hardcore Muslims decide that it is not the whole ‘West’ that is the problem but the feminist/gay extreme elements of the West that deserve to be violently attacked, that would be good.
Someone needs to go tell Islam exactly what to attack. Bombing a skyscraper or subway is to general.
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Tood
It’s interesting to try to predict the future from current trends, isn’t it? Except that one current trend is that the world is rapidly changing, technologically, and we don’t know what will be invented next.
If technology stopped accelerating, slowed, and halted at where we are today, at 12:00 noon Greenich (every minute adds a lot), I’d agree that feminism and misandry would pendulum back, and then forth, and then back, etc.
But given the pill and robots and virtual reality, we may see also a lot of rift and schism. People just saying – fuck it to you and your tribe. I’ll do my best to get what I want from you, and get most of my needs met elsewhere.
We don’t hang around candles at night, with a lute or piano and family and friends for entertainment. We’ve got our electronica, and soon our robots and VR to entertain. And what next? Borg only knows.
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Tood
And?
They won’t.
You clearly don’t understand anything about Islam.
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“You clearly don’t understand anything about Islam.”
I know much more than you. You don’t even know the difference between Shia and Sunni, or Sufi and Wahabbi, or Salafist vs. Persian-derived types.
You have this monolithic view that all of Islam = the Taliban pre-2001. That is ignorant.
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You know, or claim to know, utterly trivial differences between different denominations of Islam, yet don’t even grasp the fundamental nature and tenets of the religion, or realize how they are actually put to practise by Muslims. How useful.
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Tood, I dated an apostate. Unless you are too simple to begin to try to grasp nuanced webs of big pictures, I’d drop your notion that Islam is a cure for what ails ya.
If you are that simple, then you are my enemy. Your type can get and use a bomb, for simplistic and religious “reasons”
In my early thirties I stretched my Buddhist legs and dabbled in Sufism, went to a few Muslim social gatherings. You can find glory and the great good anywhere.
But the tenets, the word, the strict scripture, of Islam, is illegal by modern standarts. And I think that’s a fight worth fighting – against Islam.
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Someone needs to go tell Islam exactly what to attack. Bombing a skyscraper or subway is to general.
Too general? The hijackers of September 11, 2001 picked the World Trade Center, the symbol of American capitalism; the Pentagon, the symbol of America’s military might and were aiming for the Capitol, the symbol of America’s representative government.
Yeah, there are probably a lot of Muslims who hate social liberals but would be OK with heartland conservatives, but those aren’t the people who are willing to kill themselves. Those who would kill hate not just feminism, but the traditional American values of the free market, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. They do not care that you don’t like feminism, Tood, they would kill you just the same.
“You are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind: You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator.” – Osama bin Laden
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“Those who would kill hate not just feminism, but the traditional American values of the free market, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. ”
Leftism has already killed this, far more effectively than Islam could.
“They do not care that you don’t like feminism, Tood, they would kill you just the same.”
So would feminists and leftists. Except that they do it slowly rather than quickly.
You have not proven in the slightest that Islam has/could ruin more American lives than feminism and leftism.
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I’ve got Al Jazeera on my TV right now. An enormously respectable source of news, information, and commentary. I’m seeing crowds of Arabs, fomenting in the street. They sure do get emotional and passionate.
Too emotional? Too passionate? By who’s perspective can we say what is too much or too little? I speak for the Kingdom of Me when I say they seem off the wall. Off the black and holy wall of Meca. Out of their heads drugged up on emotion. Worse than women.
I don’t trust people who get that wacked out on emotion.
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Tood has no idea about the daily reality of the Islamic world.
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She WANTS to have to chase you and be lead by you if she views you as a lover.
Well, that’s the thing. I don’t want to lead. Leading is for alphas.
Oh wait… 🙂
Admittedly, the problem with your approach is that it doesn’t allow for me to express my love and desire for her if I happen to feel that way. In other words, revealing it just happens to put me at risk, and magically makes me even more undesirable. This is obviously clichéd, but if that’s true, it makes being single a bit more palatable than being hemmed in a relationship where I have to play alpha to keep her interested. It’s not exactly attractive to somebody like myself who is admittedly lazy.
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xsplat,
Al Jazeera is only “respected” because the leftists heap praise on anything that is opposed to American values.
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“Tood has no idea about the daily reality of the Islamic world.”
I have already demonstrated far more knowledge than your blind Islamophobia.
You think everywhere, from Turkey to Malaysia to Kurdish areas, are all the same as Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.
At the same time, you say that it is futile for America to fight terrorists in Afghanistan.
Your logic is notable for its gaping absence.
I am sure you are enjoying the pat on the head you are getting from your feminist masters.
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I am sure you are enjoying the pat on the head you are getting from your feminist masters.
They feed me home cooked brownies every two weeks, and I get a hug one a week.
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Tood
The fact that you use the term Islamophobia shows that you know nothing.
I never said anything about the Taleban.
Of course it is. There will always be more terrorists, and there’s nothing to be gained by doing anything in Afghanistan. The so-called stealth Jihad is the real threat facing the Western world. Not terrorists.
I already told you that you’re presenting a false dilemma, and that I do not support feminism. You are delusional.
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Jackson, you’ve obviously never seen Al Jazeera.
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You have not proven in the slightest that Islam has/could ruin more American lives than feminism and leftism.
Tood, the reason that islam is any sort of threat to the Western world is because of feminism and leftism.
Don’t get me wrong, but islam is defintely a threat at this moment, but if we hadn’t been weakened by leftists and feminists, the Twin Towers would still be standing, and there probably wouldn’t be a need for a blog like this one.
Look at the world boys are growing up in – fatherless families, schools inhabited with women teachers only, and education unions likewise populated, boys not being allowed to be boys, because the bleeding hearts brigade have decreed that children shouldn’t be allowed to get hurt.
So he grows up surrounded by women telling him how to be a man, without a man showing him how to be one.
If he doesn’t know how to be a man like his forefathers who carved out a country, fought in wars or travelled across the world to build a home and a future did, then how on earth does he know how to take pride in his heritage and defend it?
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xsplat: Al Jazeera? RESPECTED? That crazy, emotional, controversy-loving channel? That Jazeera? The only thing it’s loyal to is stirring up emotional passions. When I think of Al Jazeera, I think of people yelling at each other about some controversial debate by Arabic standards; like some sort of talk show. They’re very, very emotive and not the cold reporting you’d expect of a reliable news source.
DA: Don’t feel guilty for joking around or teasing. I know what you mean by that awful reflexive guilt when someone says ‘I love you’ and you don’t return it immediately, but a strong relationship guarantees she won’t feel reflexively bad about it. (Except for the dramaqueens who love the drama so they’re happy too.) It’s in your actions and in the dynamic.
Seriously.
Simplification: Let’s say she’s exclaiming how much she loves youuu once you take her to her favourite restaurant or some such, not returning it doesn’t automatically cause bad feelings.
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Two and a Half Men – the alpha/beta dichotomy is the only good thing about it. And the recent more sensitive Charlie makes me want to vomit.
The other problem with the new episodes of Two and a Half men is the good old fashioned poor story telling. A typical competent sitcom will usually have the main narrative arch (usually something focused on Charlie) and a minor sub-plot parallel story line (involving Alan or Jake, for example.)
Those narrative arcs normally cross, and at the end of the episode humorously resolve themselves, normally involving some common event or theme.
But the new episodes only have a single narrative line. Typically involving Charlie working with his feminist shrink on becoming more sensitive. The supporting cast appear only as props, rendering them lifeless.
Let’s see if things get more interesting tonight, as a new episode is airing.
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I dreamt last night that I woke up in an alternate universe… where DA was no longer the cream of the crop of omega fatty acids. tokyojesusfist was.
by the time I was in the car and halfway down canal road I realized I wasn’t dreaming.
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So true. You’re correct to highlight the aggression with which some newbies deploy negs, which can come off badly if rooted in resentment.
PS: Bristol Palin left Levi because of natural female hypergamy. She considers herself out of his league. Levi still wants to be with her. He has been betaized and she lost attraction. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/15/levi-johnston-bristol-pal_0_n_175119.html
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xsplat said:
Not so at all Men rise and fall, and along with our fortunes so does our testosterone. And confidence.
We are like zebrafish in that way. We don’t get larger or smaller, more and less agressive, depending on how much territory we control.
Men and women know this.
Get some money and start fucking around and you will feel alpha. Lose all your money and your women and have a string of social losses, and you will feel on the underside of life.
in response to my partial quote on how women percieve men:
OF COURSE NOT. A Beta is ALWAYS Beta. Was always Beta. From the Dawn of Time. An Alpha is ALWAYS Alpha. Was always Alpha.
You think women know that?
Really?
I’m not sure if it is true, but do you believe in one-shot per girl per lifetime?
I think it’s kinda hard to deny the fact that even the existence of that belief is a strong argument that women DO believe someone is always one way or another.
If they change their mind, then they just re-interpret what they thought before.
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tokyojesusfist vaguely aluded to a vague threat:
You know, or claim to know, utterly trivial differences between different denominations of Islam, yet don’t even grasp the fundamental nature and tenets of the religion, or realize how they are actually put to practise by Muslims. How useful.
So what are these tenets?
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Re age.
Jim Halpert: John Burke Krasinski, October 20, 1979 (29);
Karen Filippelli: Rashida Leah Jones, February 25, 1976 (33);
Pam Beesly: Jenna Fischer, March 7, 1974 (age 35).
Wikipedia.
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nilk
Ironically enough, Tood is championing the cause of leftists and feminists by promoting Islam.
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I can’t be bothered to start explaining. Read this instead.
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Thursday,
“They practically squeal with delight when you do it.”
Yeah, probabily. But it must be done right. And I understand the Tokyo-guy because it can be scaring to neg a girl. It’s always somewhat dangerous, is it not? But that is what they like too. One feels more secure not negging them, and she will seem to “respect” us more and be more polite to us. From what I’ve learned, that’s how they express desinterest and qualify you as a Beta.
And about the “Listen” single, I was too sleepy. It’s Lilly Allen’s The Fear single. It wonderfully explains what women want and how they feel, I believe Lilly Allen makes me a great favour in exposing the average fertile women’s mind in this way. Or then, I may just be crazy…
And Todd, about islam?
You claim you are against feminism and leftism, but you are an extreme-leftist multiculturalist. You support feminsm in your own dirty litle way. European Civilisation never needed islam, as it never needed multiculturalism, feminism, socialism or communism…
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Virgin@40
It’s just embarrasing, and not in line with my personality. I would never say “you dress like my mother” to a stranger.
If a woman qualifies a man as a beta because he doesn’t neg her, she is completely hosed up.
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Alpha guys like Charles Martel and King Sobieski didn’t think we need Islam to masculinize our civilization.
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Rick, Aenigma, David Alexander
Logic — Emotion
Text — Sub-text
Most descriptions here take up those first columns (logic and text). They are executed in the second column (emotion and sub-text).
So when she says “I love you” and you reply, “That’s cute,” your eyes are saying, “I love you too” (assuming that you do, and play it well).
She hears the playful brush-off verbal message (“that’s cute”) but receives the emotional/sub-text message (“I love you too”). She feels secure and challenged at the same time.
So David, you can still say, “I love you too,” just don’t use words.
Also don’t try to learn canned responses. Understand the principles. As you understand and take on the principles, your responses will come more naturally. In the moment, you do not have time to remember canned lines.
[OK remembering canned lines can be a start, but try to lose those training wheels as soon as possible.]
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Rick:
“Lurker –
“It’s sad my TV viewing of otherwise good shows is so ruined at times by having my ideals mocked.”
Obviously they are easy to mock.”
—Bite me. So a concerted effort by one industry to promote one political agenda and degrade another is “proof” of the easily mockibility of my ideals?
Drink that kool-aid, boy.
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I see that tokyojesusfist has reared his autistic retarded head to blather about his illogical, contradictory ideas about everything.
People, he’s not a reasonable person, but an anrgy shut-in. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.
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tokyojesusfist
She does. She is a women. Get used to it.
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lurker
And I see that you’ve decided to shit on yet another thread because you’re still bitter about losing a debate weeks ago.
Troll: “someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.”
You posted an inflammatory, irrelevant, off-topic message with the intent of provoking a response from another user and disrupting normal on-topic discussion. That makes you a troll.
Default User
Bullshit is bullshit, and I don’t accept bullshit.
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divulging game secrets online to Betty Friedanites and chump bets is bad enough
divulging it irl is fucking stupid
even Col. Sanders knows to keep his yap shut
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So David, you can still say, “I love you too,” just don’t use words.
Sorry, I still can’t do that because it reeks of being a mean jerk-off, and as always, I’d rather be alone than have pussy, but feel perpetually guilty about it.
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David Alexander
When you do that, you are not being mean.
It is like the games you play with children, where you hold their toy just out of reach. They screech and jump, but just cannot reach it. It seems mean, yet children love it. They love it because it is a game. You could just hand the toy over, but that would miss a fun interaction. They would be worse off, and so would you.
See also, playing peek-a-boo with babies, catch with a dog, etc
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It wonderfully explains what women want and how they feel, I believe Lilly Allen makes me a great favour in exposing the average fertile women’s mind in this way.
Allen’s “The Fear” is a great song. The song is satirical though, not a endorsement of the attitudes it depicts, nor is it a complete depiction of the average woman. It is important to remember that women are not _completely_ irrational creatures.
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lmao rofl tokyo. You lost. You claimed Islam was incapable of producing great empires. I pointed out it had, several times, for 1200 years. You ran away.
case closed, bitch boy.
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Lily Allen is like madonna: ugly, whorish, attention desperate, and vaguely connected to some bad pop music.
women need to learn if they’re going to be famous, be attractive and nto a whore.
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If you watched last Thursday’s episode of The Office,
You’re serious? Good God, roissy. No wonder.
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lurker
I said it’s incapable of producing successful societies, which is true.
I was referring to the Islamic Golden Age, which lasted for a few centuries. Not 1200 years. I already explained all of this to you before.
You’re either imagining things or making them up.
You’re trolling again.
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I think women don’t easily forget beta signs – girls i’ve talked to after gaining confidence and learning a moderate amount of game tend to be pretty resistant and tend to remark on it. Then again, perhaps I still act a little beta around them because it’s how i’m used to acting around them. But it does seem like they’d never expect me to be anything more than the beta loser i was.
I think for marriage, although I haven’t been in one, it depends on the woman…girls who married greater betas/alphas who turned into lesser betas probably want their husbands to return to greater beta status. But if a girl marries a lesser beta she probably thinks he doesn’t have it in him to become anything more since it’s all she’s ever seen in him.
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Jim is not really alpha. They spent an entire season laying out how Pam really had no other options whatsoever – probably because they don’t live in a big city or she doesn’t go out to bars often. He’s clever but very un-aggressive, which they demonstrated this past episode. In my opinion he only would have high value in that context where everyone else has no self-awareness or is socially awkward beyond belief. However, Jim often appears a bit awkward himself outside of the context of the office.
I agree though with your assessment of what Andy is doing. Sounds like he heard some advice on an internet forum or something and is trying to apply it to the wrong situation. When really it doesn’t matter since it’d be pretty damn hard for Kevin to fuck it up with a woman like that.
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lol. You call 1200 years of great societies “incapabable” bitch boy?
the only person who thinks you won, coward, is you; and then you ran away.
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lol. Tokyo, you have been pwned; do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go directly to betahood.
remember: those, like you tokyo, who deny reality are doomed to be victims of it.
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lurker
I do not consider them to have been successful societies, and any success they may have had was in spite of Islam, not because of it.
You keep claiming that I “ran away,” yet you have no evidence to support this allegation.
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lurker
Only three minutes elapsed between this message and the one before that. You have an incredibly short attention span.
Where have I denied reality?
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Despite his social awkwardness, isn’t Dwight the most alpha?
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tokyo, being an autistic stubborn troll:
“I do not consider them to have been successful societies”
—You heard it here first, kids: 1200 years of art, science, literature, philosophy, military innovation, and trade=not successful.
Reality. Denier.
“any success they may have had was in spite of Islam,”
—ok, tokyo, since you deny reality and claim this ridiculous point, prove it. prove how any success was in spite of Islam since history blatantly disagrees with you.
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not really on dwight. He’s ostracized and made fun of ; his power is all in his head.
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tokyo linked to an article that, when not jabbering philosphical pieces taken out of context, or quoting specific quotes of specific leaders(Reverend Wright?), lays out a few just plain useless facts that are dated and/or meaningless:
Point 1:
A Muslim apostate once suggested to me a litmus test for Westerners who believe that Islam is a religion of “peace” and “tolerance”: try making that point on a street corner in Ramallah, or Riyadh, or Islamabad, or anywhere in the Muslim world. He assured me you wouldn’t live five minutes.
While amusing in it’s vagueness, I can be quite sure that giving ‘lip’ or insufficiently groveling before an American cop will yield a trip to jail.
Point 2:
Islamic people have invaded other countries!!!!
America has invaded Iraq.
Point 3:
Islam’s persecution of non-Muslims is in no way limited to jihad, even though that is the basic relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world. After the jihad concludes in a given area with the conquest of infidel territory, the dhimma, or treaty of protection, may be granted to the conquered “People of the Book” — historically, Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians. The dhimma provides that the life and property of the infidel are exempted from jihad for as long as the Muslim rulers permit, which has generally meant for as long as the subject non-Muslims — the dhimmi — prove economically useful to the Islamic state. The Quran spells out the payment of the jizya (poll- or head-tax; Sura 9:29), which is the most conspicuous means by which the Muslim overlords exploit the dhimmi.
And this is different from the US tax code how? As far as I am aware, the US Government taxes Christians to.
Well, as any disinterested party can see, the US has already fallen(culturally) to the Islamic hoards, and we know practice every principal that “Jihad Watch” claims is bad about Islam.
We have become our enemy.
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lurker
You have not demonstrated that I’m a troll. I, however, demonstrated that you are one, and thus far you have not even attempted to refute it.
In spite of Islam, not because of it.
I’m not denying reality.
That would require me to spend a considerable amount of time doing research, which is obviously wasted on you. It’s also ridiculous for you to demand evidence for something when you refuse to provide any yourself.
But basically, Islam is anti-science, anti-progress, anti-freedom and anti-logic. Obviously it cannot create a successful society. Evidence of this can be seen by looking at the state of the Islamic world today.
If you expect me to read and reply to your message in one minute, you are retarded.
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Comment_We_Are_Islamic!
ok, Roissy, I will let him flail about.
However let me add this tokyo: historiy and historians overwhlemingly agree with all of my statements about Islamic societies. None agree with you. Therefore, since you are offering an alternative to accepted history, the onus, nimrod, is on you to provide evidence. Your hostility to offering evidence is the most obvious example of your reality denying existence.
Troll.
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ugh. leave it to argumentative “intellectuals” to degenerate a blog about pussy
into head-throbbing discussions of the geo-political dynamics of the Crimean War or historical repercussions of Bronze Age bidet ritual.
!pussy
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roissy
I did not bring up the subject of Islam in this thread, so why are you acting as if I did? It was Tood who first mentioned it. As for your claim that I’m a troll, I’d like to see you prove that. lurker tried to pull the same shit, but as we can see it didn’t quite work out.
And how are you going to ban me? You already banned my IP, but it makes no difference with an anonymous proxy. An even better question is why you’re so interested in banning me. If you were really concerned about trolling, you would have banned lurker a long time ago. So what’s the real reason?
lurker
It is well known that today’s history regarding Islam is incredibly PC and whitewashed, if not outright fabricated.
Like I said, you’re in no position to demand evidence from anyone. And I told you that I’m not going to waste time on you.
You have repeatedly made this claim yet you have not been able to prove it. I, on the other hand, have shown why you’re a troll.
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tbg:
An even better question is why you’re so interested in banning me.
because you commit the cardinal sin — you’re boring.
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So you either don’t have a reason or you can’t say it.
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DA: Again, you’re feeling overblown guilt and villainising certain actions on a sweeping principal that they are bad. You can’t go through life afraid you’ll hurt a woman’s delicate, pretty feelings. Even if you go as far as to drive a woman to tears by some miscalculation (which you wouldn’t, just by not saying I don’t love you back but by being playful instead), she’ll have her fit and then recover usually quite easily and with maybe a bit of healthy anger. Embrace a woman being beautifully emotional on you and don’t let misplaced guilt cripple your interactions; play, occasionally take control, tease, joke around, keep it interesting.
You’re fine with people being upset by you here — it’s healthy and it’s human — so understand that even if you don’t want to do it, you can choose to be fine with it out there. Some of the stuff you come out with reeks of inappropriately suppressed characteristics in real life that may even be alpha. Which is actually probably why you’re actually more frustrating than most to some commenters.
I was having a conversation with one of my male friends, who noted that people just didn’t find him entertaining when he used to be that nice guy: be they male or female. You don’t have to be a jerk, but you do have to take risks with your non-politically correct self. Being ‘nice’ shouldn’t be your number one priority in human interaction, especially verbally. The highs and lows are what makes it worthwhile; being pissed off at tokyo (sorry roissy I had to mention my onetruelove, don’t beat me, wait I like it) and having those epiphanies. Don’t underestimate the excitement a certain amount of instability and conflict can give, as well as the true meaningfulness real resolution and agreement has.
True kidness comes out in that donation you secretly make to your chosen charity, that neighbour you check on, that person you make sure isn’t horribly sick, that anonymous blog where you share your tips with guys who don’t know better, that little fund you make for your nieces/nephews. Being obvious about it and making sure everybody knows about it in every sentence you address them with isn’t kindness at all; just a way of ensuring safe but distant social interaction.
I’m not saying I don’t do the same thing a lot of the time, but I’m starting to see and implement how important it is to take risks with what you say and do. Nothing really yourself comes out otherwise.
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tbg:
So you either don’t have a reason or you can’t say it.
thank you for so quickly and efficiently proving my point.
tbg, here’s some advice that if you follow it will work to make you more interesting with women as well as in a blog’s comments section —
instead of replying the way you did (BORING) you could say this:
evil nasty roissy: “because you commit the cardinal sin — you’re boring”
reformed tbg: “shall i beef up my next comment with a reference to the glories of anal sex?”
that’s called keeping your audience in mind. hth.
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PA — Good points about Two and a Half Men. The reality is that the real Charlie Sheen is a drug-addled, mess, with his father and brother constantly intervening, and a guy not aging well. While the real Jon Cryer has been known for years as the consummate professional. Both actors are divorced, and remarried, but Cryer remains on good terms with his ex and he’s known as one of Hollywood’s stand-up guys, easy to work with, no scandals.
Again, what guys and gals think Alpha varies. Paul Newman was very Alpha, for men, but was married and faithful to his wife. He wasn’t very hedonistic or interested in the same.
Brad — women’s ideal state would be a few Alpha men who are dominant and they can share, and the rest of men being gay guys who will never make a move on them. Women WANT non-socially dominant men to be beta-ized as much as possible, that makes THEIR guy the more important one. Never forget that.
[A few women remain outside that model of behavior. They are generally independent, have brothers or fathers they were close to, or look to their son’s future. Nothing changes a woman as having a son who will obviously not be the socially dominant male AND recognizing it. Unfortunately this group is about 10% at most of the current female population age 18-44]
Game had a better treatment on “the Mentalist.” They showed it worked. But that it did not necessarily make the man or woman any happier. Pushing the notion that only monogamous nuclear families give real meaning.
Dougjn — Cryer is definitely not gay. He just specializes in playing uber-beta type guys. It’s what he does. He is after all, “Ducky” from Pretty in Pink. He’s still going strong, while both McCarthy and Ringwald are basically retired.
Tood — Women LOVE Islam, particularly feminists. They defend to the extreme. Women and Islam both have the same enemy: the beta male. Feminists have already happily accepted the Burqua. Which tells you all you need to know. Islamic societies = a few dominant Alphas, forever, with Harems (Mohammed bin Laden, Osama’s father, had 22 wives and 57 kids) and the rest jihadi cannon-fodder.
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So what you’re trying to tell me is that you’re an anti-intellectual who does not believe in rational or adult behavior.
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Tood — Women LOVE Islam, particularly feminists.
Shouldn’t they then also LOVE fundamentalist Christianity?
(Maybe they do, except today most conservative Christians are abortion-obsessed love-the-world Socialists)
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tbg:
So what you’re trying to tell me is that you’re an anti-intellectual who does not believe in rational or adult behavior.
no. what i’m telling you is that you’re boring, certainly not intellectually stimulating, and constitutionally nerdy in the extreme.
learning to be fun and cool would help your cause. i don’t expect you to heed this advice.
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Roissy – didn’t you just yell at everyone for feeding the troll? And now you’ve gone back and forth with this kid a couple times. He’s like a super troll… no one can resist the siren call.
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You’re just being evasive. You couldn’t back up your claim that I’m a troll, and now you’re spouting some nonsense about me being boring because you can’t come up with anything else.
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Seeking Alpha, what evidence do you have to support your claim that I’m a troll (or a kid)?
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whiksey, that is an excellent point, but I think can be made broader: nothing changes a woman’s perspective on men like having a boy child, especially if she has only boy children, or her oldest or youngest is a boy.
Suddenly, all those feminist notions of men being conspiratorial/evil and women being victims go out the window as women, experiencing life through their boy’s eyes, see for the first time how women, from an early age (pre-pubsecent) use manipulation to control men and their emotions.
It’s fascinating to me that many so-called matriarchial cultures—i.e. cultures that have, not a history of female dominance, but instead of women who rise up and seize power—also have strong traditions of mothers who prefer their sons to their daughters; I think here of Irish and Jewish families. “Irish mothers love their sons” is a common refrain I have heard growing up.
In fact, one of the main reasons feminsts promote women “having a career first ” and “sleeping around before settling down” to women and promote abortion is to REDUCE the women getting pregnant with male children.
Once a woman has a male child, she suddenly sees the truths that roissy espouses, except in nicer terms. Her once brazen-sisterhood, unless hardened by years of childlessness and feminist cult-speak, immediately softens when men stop becoming the other and suddenly she can see that men are the victims of females rather than vice-versa.
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…I imagine certain entities here, lounging in Man-T-Hose, reveling in their bootleg copy of “Watchmen” and masturbating impotently into their toilet…
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I would also like to point out also that those cultures that were matriarchial that I just mentioned—Irish and Jewish—had common stereotypes of beta-acting men (think Woody Allen or some town poet-drunk) nevertheless being protected by the society and given a wife and having numerous offspring or at least having power (priest/rabbi).
Betas were not shunted away but given a place, possibly because the doting mothers understood how good a beta provider is to a society and how victimized they were (sympathy) and so strongly encouraged their female children to take one.
Sadly, these two groups also are responsible for the rise of American feminism. Perhaps their was a younger-daughter revolt against early marriage to betas before discovering the joy of a beta son; perhaps something else.
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Seeking Alpha, what evidence do you have to support your claim that I’m a troll (or a kid)?
I tracked your IP to the proxy company and pulled their fingernails out until they gave me access to their database. Then I located your address and found you. I’m staring at you right now through your window. The purple hair sticking straight up gave it away. You’re definitely a troll.
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So you have no evidence or explanation. Shocking.
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You guys stay away from my toffeecake tokyo. You’re trying to steal him away due to his alpha hotness, I know what you’re doing. Stop talking to him; you and your elaborate mind games and your elaborate flattery talking about his ‘siren call’, you silvertongued devils. HE’S MINE. Stop talking to him and trying to take him away from me with your seductions: homoerotic or otherwise!
Please respect one thing in your pointless puny lives and that is our great love; cease your (clearly sexually charged) backandforths with my japanesecitymessiahfist of gorgeousness.
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Traditional Irish and Jewish families were also traditionally freaking HUGE, lurker, and a stable beta provider type looks pretty durn appealing if you’re looking at the prospect of feeding fourteen mouths.
(Being the father of such a huge family can also make a Real Man out of even a simpering coward; their wives probably did learn to respect and love them, even if they were a tad disappointed at first.
Not possible if they marry betas who work a cubicle farm and play XBox for ten years, though.)
But if you’re only looking at the prospect of feeding two mouths, tops, it makes more sense to get a career going, delay marriage, delay motherhood even further than that.
You just don’t need Mr. Beta to help you do much of that stuff.
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What’s amusing is that by derailing the thread into a “discussion” about someone supposedly being a troll, you are in fact guilty of trolling. If that someone really was trolling and you really had a case against them, then that would be one thing, but you have no evidence, no reasons. You just hurl accusations without even considering if there’s any truth to them or if they can be backed up. Trolling.
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Oh for fuck’s sake, Bhetti is having another meltdown. This blog’s readers have a tendency to completely snap if they lose a debate.
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You just hurl accusations
Where have I said or implied that I you are a troll? Nowhere.
without even considering
Like I said, you’re in no position to demand consideration from anyone. And I told you that I’m not going to waste time on you.
Trolling
You have not demonstrated that I’m a troll. I, however, demonstrated that you are one, and thus far you have not even attempted to refute it.
Bhetti is having another meltdown
Do the Stormfront people just sit here refreshing the page 24/7 and waiting for me to post so they can once again explain to me the depths of their burning hatred towards Muslims?
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Seeking Alpha
Here: “Roissy – didn’t you just yell at everyone for feeding the troll? And now you’ve gone back and forth with this kid a couple times. He’s like a super troll… no one can resist the siren call.”
You also said “You’re definitely a troll.”
You haven’t said that.
You haven’t told me that.
I just did.
I asked you to provide evidence, and you did not do so.
What does Stormfront have to do with this?
I really don’t understand what you think you’re proving by copying things I’ve said in the past.
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Just having fun buddy, that’s all. The temptation was too strong. I’ll leave you alone now.
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I go crazy every time I see you, my love. I constantly refresh for a mere glimpse of thee. I am now always on your side hence I can never lose to your righteousness; I wll renounce the poisonous Islamic evil for thee.
Let me have your e-mail ❤
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I suggest you seek psychiatric treatment, Bhetti.
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The diagnosis was an acute-onset severe case of ‘incurable love’; tests showed tachycardia, flushed cheeks, elevated LUV protein and +ve for stability antibodies. Mental State Exam noted agitation and mood swings between melancholia and mania.
There is no treatment. Except you.
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Tokyo,
“It’s just embarrasing, and not in line with my personality. I would never say “you dress like my mother” to a stranger.”
Okay. You shall neg a girl depending on the girl and the relation you have with her. And of course, you have to neg as far as you want. In the end, you create your own neg style.
“If a woman qualifies a man as a beta because he doesn’t neg her, she is completely hosed up.”
No. It’s just her nature. They just do that. She may not rotolate you as a Beta but for her, you will be that: a Beta. They do it automatically and uncounsciously. (You see, today you’re not trolling, at least towards me)
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Thursday,
“Allen’s “The Fear” is a great song. The song is satirical though, not a endorsement of the attitudes it depicts, nor is it a complete depiction of the average woman. It is important to remember that women are not _completely_ irrational creatures.”
We have to be careful with what we mean by average, you are right. However, I think it shows the “average-ish” wannabe fashionable and easily (media) influenced women I usually get in touch with. Such behaviour is definetly a tendence too.
And once we are at it, I laughed with your underscored completeley. And once again, I agree with you.
I also wanted to understand *what* a woman really want in a guy. I am still far from understanding it but analysing the song/video “Love Story” from a small town (apearently) good hot girl from Pennsylvania, I believe her name is Taylor Swift, may be a good step forward.
In this last regard, one thing strikes me: I sometimes ask girls what they like in boys and one once replyed to me: “Joy, lots of joy” while all the others present agreeing with her. So, is joy an Alpha thing?
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NEVER be the first to say “I love you” in a relationship. I don’t care if six months of dating has gone by and you both madly love each other to pieces, you will rob a woman of one of her greatest joys in her life if you tell her you love her before she has told you the same. A woman wants to climb up mountains, crawl across broken glass, and struggle into winds of chaos to reach the emotional peak of falling in love with you. You may think you’re doing right by her to level the mountain, sweep clean the glass, and calm the winds when you announce your love before she has, but you’re not. She will resent you if you do. Of course, she won’t tell you this. But I will.
Are you sure you’re not a woman, roissy? You have no idea how perverse this is coming from a man. This is pure idiocy, but then I’ve come to expect that from you.
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this thread is a
barium enema
for the intelligentsia
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Sara. What a cute name.
Care to explain why is that “pure idiocy”? Really, please elaborate. I’d love to hear a women’s point of view because I think a women would find that “oh! So sweet!!!” but then would feel and behave as Roissy highlights.
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PA —
No. Women HATE HATE HATE the beta male. Islam does too, while Christianity particularly in it’s evangelical phase glorifies and builds it’s entire social structure on the Beta Male.
Let’s review: Evangelical Christians (and all Christians really) — Don’t cheat on your wife, monogamous marriage, nuclear family.
Islam: polygamy. No role for beta males except jihadi cannon fodder.
Women: HATE HATE HATE Beta men. Want them all constrained so they can be the variations of the kept harem. It’s why ALL feminists in solidarity with Islamists ignore honor killings, female genital mutilation, burquas, polygamy, etc.
Women are NOT stupid. They simply have radically different interests, agendas, and values than men. It was not always so, and it’s not set in stone, Nevertheless, that’s where society is.
Once you understand most Women would gladly push a button to kill every single beta male, without guilt or regret, you understand things. It’s easy to see why too. Women get hit on a LOT by beta guys, and they hate it. While they love it from Alpha men. In a world of endless choice, it makes sense.
Lurker — Agree with your analysis. I think though key technology (contraception) and what Roissy termed anonymous urban living explain much of the massive shift in female behavior.
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I think it shows the “average-ish” wannabe fashionable and easily (media) influenced women I usually get in touch with.
Oh, I agree, there are lots of women whom “The Fear” describes perfectly.
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Whiskey, you are crazy.
1. Most women do not hate beta males. What they hate are beta males who try to get sexual with them. If you keep things on a non-sexual level women are capable of liking and respecting you, even as a beta male, particularly if you demonstrate some sort of ability or accomplishment. It is only when they see you making pathetic advances towards them or other women that they become disgusted.
A lot guys of guys will experience this when they first start approaching girls. At first, girls will often be nice to a guy as they think the he is kind of cute and dorky and harmless. Then as the guy gets a bit better the girls are not so nice. But once he starts getting really good girls will start being nice to him again.
Sexual harrassment laws and a lot of the beta indoctrination in our society were introduced in order to turn women’s male co-workers into completely non-sexual beings. Women wanted to enter the workforce, but they didn’t want to be hit on by creepy guys all day long. However, sadly for women, in the process of creating lots of good co-workers, this indoctrination has destroyed many potential good mates.
So, guys, remember: the rules for being a good co-worker are not the rules for being a good lover.
2. Women do not love Islam. They hate the idea of having their sexuality controlled, which is what Islamic societies tend to do. The sexual dynamics of Sub-Saharan Africa, not Saudi Arabia, are what women instinctively prefer. See Steve Sailer on the jealousy belt here.
Women love being led, but they hate being controlled.
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Work place game has got to be the easiest to pick up woman. Just don’t become the boss or be the boss doing it thats when you get fd up. You could probably get part time jobs in different places just to pick up woman if you also have a plan and something going for you on the outside of said work.
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Thursday–
Well said. But …
Some women love being lead (seduced) into being controlled. A lot more than most people think do, I think. But I sure know that some do.
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The BBC original version is better.
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Virgin@40
It’s still hosed up.
I can’t stop doing something I’ve never started.
Thursday
What’s not to love? Muslim immigrants are dark and exotic and know how to keep their bitches in check. They are also enemies of white heterosexual Christian men, which makes them natural allies for women (except the ones who aren’t feminists).
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I agree with Thursday about women and Islam. It is true that feminists hate most men, and they think of Islam not as a big threat – but I can’t see them wanting to wear burqas and be stoned to death for cheating.
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“Although I’m sure the writers didn’t intend it, Andy is a great example of what happens when an aggressive beta gets his first exposure to game; he doesn’t fully grasp the underlying concepts which leads him to bastardize the tactics. His advice to Kevin to give “backhanded compliments” to the omega woman Kevin wants to date sounds exactly like the caricature of negs that haters of game repeat ad nauseum. Andy’s neg is an insult, not an ambiguous compliment.”
Something I’ve noticed lately is that many people automatically generate a pathological counter example of any phenom they do not like, as if to inoculate themselves against persuasion. I guess it is a good example of emotionally induced reasoning =p. Kind of like emotionally induced blindness when you see sex or violence…. perhaps reasoning and rationale go to hell when you hit a chord of truth. Good analysis of the haterade going on out there Roissy.
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whiskey,
Islamic societies = a few dominant Alphas, forever, with Harems (Mohammed bin Laden, Osama’s father, had 22 wives and 57 kids) and the rest jihadi cannon-fodder.
Correct, which is why there are always crowds of young, unattached Islamic men to whip up into a riot for the cameras. Obama is counting on the same sort of dynamic to get his agenda through here.
Also, I disagree about Charlie Sheen. He has cleaned up a good deal and appears quite competent. He’s getting a little long in the tooth for the role he plays but that’s everyone’s fate.
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Last night’s Two and a Half Men was true to its lame trajectory.
No subplot, just the boring story arc of Charlie trying to be “sensitive” by caring for his girlfriend who got the flu. I’m all about “in sickness and in health” but the girlfriend was a demanding bitch.
And where the hell is the pregnant Judith?
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Why is this place so rightwing? Do only rightwingers need advice on how to get laid?
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Video of Jon Cryer and his new wife, Lisa Joyner:
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Why is this place so rightwing? Do only rightwingers need advice on how to get laid?
On a certain level, Game is a rejection of the leftist dogma that men and women are equivalent and equal, so roissy’s site would naturally attract rightwing posters.
And to follow up on Charlie Sheen, he appears to be siring a healthy genetic legacy through serial monogamy.
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It’s much more than that…in fact, I wouldn’t call this place so much “right wing” as I would libertarian.
There are plenty of chivalrous, “women are superior” right wingers that are pathetic and brainwashed by the feminist zeitgeist of our matriarchal culture.
It’s just that the left wing, liberal, SWPL ideology is by and large the home for feminists, feminism and beta-mangina’s that buy into the theory that they have to act like a pussy to get the pussy.
Leftism is an ideology based ENTIRELY on duping the masses – i.e. the useful idiots – with “pretty lies” rather than deal with the ugly truth.
Most SWPL leftists visit this site, than go scurrying back to their Pandagon or Feministing rat hole and relate their abject horror to the Feminazi sisterhood about how this is hot bed of Misogyny for perpetuating Patriarchal Hegemony.
The hard core, fundamentalist Christians, on the other hand, can’t get past the hedonistic promiscuity advocated by the PUA culture, so you are not really seeing a true “RIGHT WING” site.
No, this is definitely a libertarian oriented community.
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It’s much more than that…in fact, I wouldn’t call this place so much “right wing” as I would libertarian.
True.
And when you think about it, libertarianism, i.e., independence, is inherently masculine while the welfare state, dependence, is inherently feminine.
The libertarian cause of a “night watchman” government strictly limited to defending rights in property is at bottom a crusade against the wholesale feminization of the culture.
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libertarianism, i.e., independence, is inherently masculine
There is a fine line though. Rugged individualism, independence and self-reliance are masculine traits. Those are the best parts of libertarianism.
On the other hand, libertarianism is often a weasly or cynical front for selling out your country and failing to defend your culture.
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PA
You could just come out and say ‘but I don’t like libertarians because they are pro-immigration’. No need to get catty and imply it.
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That’s only if you mean “selling out our country” or “defending your culture” means opposition to waging wars with American soldiers in countries far away from home…instead of bringing them home to protect the border and maintain national sovereignty.
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What Dave/Hawaii said. Also, a propositional nation like the US is an inorganic institution that depends solely on a strong central state to hold it together. When that central state collapses due to fiscal and imperial overreach, it’s back to the Tribe faster than you can say blood is thicker than water. There would be more borders in a libertarian society, not less.
The US ceased to be an organic entity in 1965, and probably in 1865.
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Haven’t you ever met an open-borders libertarian?
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Seeking Alpha: I’m not being catty by saying exactly what I meant to say.
Dave from Hawaii: I am in agreement with you re. military overseas.
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Haven’t you ever met an open-borders libertarian?
I would assume that’s most of us. According to a libertarian, the three essential functions of the government are police, national defense, and the courts. INS, Border Patrol, Customs, etc. are definitely not included in that list.
It’s funny that PA wanted to portray open borders as unmasculine. I can’t imagine being afraid of competing against some uneducated immigrant. I’m not afraid of competing against anyone. If you’re in an industry they effect, stop being a whiny worker, start your own business, and hire them. If you’re not in an industry they effect, you get cheaper goods and services.
And where exactly do you see Hispanic influences in American culture? They make up 15% of the population and have almost no influence on our culture.
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Dave:
PA is referring to the head-in-the-sand, open borders crowd like Will Wilkinson, Brink Lindsay, Megan McArdle et al. While these people often do very good work on economics, they are also pretty clueless about human nature, especially on topics like race realism or male-female relations. As C. Van Carter once said, libertarianism is applied autism.
The crowd here tends to be a mix of paleo-conservatives and libertarians. The paleos tend to be interested in Roissy’s exquisitely gruesome limning of social disintigration, but they would doubtless have no qualms shutting the Roissy’s of the world down. A lot of the more libertarian oriented people here, while interested in the social criticism, mostly seem interested in how to score some ass.
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Also, a propositional nation like the US is an inorganic institution that depends solely on a strong central state to hold it together.
That the U.S. is a propositional nation is a myth.
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The military overseas thing is interesting.
On the one hand, I’m sympathetic to the view. It would drastically reduce the federal budget which is always a good thing, and it would avoid ‘entangling alliances’.
The other side’s argument (and I’m not sure if I agree or not) is that our economy is extremely dependent on foreign trade and without an overseas presence, we’d be unable to protect our supply lines for imports and export or our companies with FDI in other countries.
We could survive without international trade, but we’d be much poorer (financially) because of it.
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And where exactly do you see Hispanic influences in American culture? They make up 15% of the population and have almost no influence on our culture.
This is downright imbecillic. I believe you at one point even conceded the point on social decay associated with the demographic changes.
The “cultural influences” of third worldization are seen in every American city, small town, neighborhood and school.
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The other side’s argument (and I’m not sure if I agree or not) is that our economy is extremely dependent on foreign trade and without an overseas presence, we’d be unable to protect our supply lines for imports and export or our companies with FDI in other countries
This makes sense. But only if you are the chancellor of the Spanish Empire in 1600. Or do you think that an american retreat from Germany will destroy trade in the mediterranean? AMerican retreat from Korea will cause the collpase of trade in NE Asia?
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This is downright imbecillic…The “cultural influences” of third worldization are seen in every American city, small town, neighborhood and school.
Well I think you can tell quite clearly that I’m not an imbecile. If it’s so obvious then you shouldn’t have trouble coming up with some examples. I can think of countless examples of black influences on our culture, but for a group that has double the population of black Americans, I think there is very little Hispanic cultural influences.
I believe you at one point even conceded the point on social decay associated with the demographic changes.
I said I’d concede it only because I was trying to have an economic discussion at one point (whether illegal immigrants have absorbed a disproportionate share of job losses and thus mitigated the recession) and you kept wanting to bring it back to culture.
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This makes sense. But only if you are the chancellor of the Spanish Empire in 1600. Or do you think that an american retreat from Germany will destroy trade in the mediterranean? AMerican retreat from Korea will cause the collpase of trade in NE Asia?
Well it’s a question of degree and scope. If we completely withdrew all of our military commitments, we would be at the mercy of others for our trade. When people talk about ending our overseas commitments, they don’t just mean two bases… they mean ending all foreign deployments in the 100+ countries we have bases in, decomissioning most of our aircraft carriers (b/c they’d be unnecessary) and withdrawing the rest of our fleet to our territorial waters.
Even taking your example though, if we withdrew from Europe in the 70s or 80s and the Soviet Union invaded, would we go back in or just let it happen? If we went back in, then we sacrificed an excellent strategic position for nothing, and if we let it happen, then one of our biggest trading partners would be inaccessible.
Again, I’m not convinced you’re not right… I’m just taking the other side of the argument so we can get to a more intelligent and thought-out position through debate.
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And where exactly do you see Hispanic influences in American culture? They make up 15% of the population and have almost no influence on our culture.
Oh, gang activity, kidnappings, lowered property values, greater strain on infrastructure, crowding, higher transaction costs for public services, yet another victim group for Title VII, etc. Not to mention the political effects of importing a bunch of social democrats and making their offspring US citizens. Immigration is cultural and political suicide for libertarians.
Again, take away the rent-seeking and the civil rights laws, and there are more borders in a libertarian society, not less.
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virgin@40
Care to explain why is that “pure idiocy”? Really, please elaborate. I’d love to hear a women’s point of view because I think a women would find that “oh! So sweet!!!” but then would feel and behave as Roissy highlights.
I’d love to, but my views as usual are purely subjective.
I’ve been in just this situation; madly in love with a man who was always holding his cards very close to his chest. It was a lesson in extreme frustration. I loved him with all my body, mind, and soul and told him on a few occasions until it became clear that he would not ever say those three little words. (He finally did ONCE.) He would not tell me (and all women who are in love want to hear this from the lips of a man she loves) that my love was valued and appreciated and reciprocated.
Women are highly auditory which is why sweet talking works so well with them. I would get the cards that said, “love, J.” but that is not the same thing at all. He was always trying to get me to say it. One day he sent me an email asking if I loved him. I wrote him back that I L _ _E D him very much. I mean…please!
Sometimes your cards ain’t worth a dime if you don’t lay them down. In the end he lost me over and over only to keep wanting me back and like a fool I took him back but finally couldn’t take it any longer. Now he is MARRIED; the perfect revenge. I’m still obsessed with wanting him to be as miserable as humanly possible when I really should not care any longer.
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dougjnn
Some women love being lead (seduced) into being controlled. A lot more than most people think do, I think. But I sure know that some do.
They like it as much as men do. No one likes being controlled period unless they’re masochistic to some degree. Just because it happens after a women is seduced does not mean she likes it at all. It’s quite terrifying in fact to find yourself submitting to crap you never would have because of the effects of OXYTOCIN. Look it up sometime.
Then there are some wretched men AND men who are basically asking for it and fall into the category of doormat. Let’s not pretend it’s somehow “natural” to actually like being controlled, but then again it may be “normal” as in the majority of humans on this planet are neurotic,
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Before seducing a girl, its important that you have a nice image ( not necessarily your physic image, its more related to your personality ). Do lots of friends and be polite when you talk to them. Never fight with them, because this behavior its not sexy.
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