Welcome to the New Whore Order.
The author of a controversial new book says she was so desperate for a baby she got pregnant ‘accidentally on purpose’ in a one-night stand. KATE SPICER admits that – like many women – she’s played the same dangerous game…
Three weeks ago, I bought a pregnancy test. As a single, childless woman in my late 30s, my exact thoughts while I was waiting for the result were as follows: ‘If I am not pregnant, then good. I’m happy.
Life continues as before. Panic over. If I am pregnant, then that’s terrifying. But thrilling, too. A happy accident that was meant to happen, whether I stay with the father or not.’
If you’ve been a regular reader here, you could see this coming a mile away. Aging careerist shrikes on the cusp of sexual invisibility, like spent fuel rods from years of putting out for pump and dump alphas who wisely chose not to marry these damaged goods, are feeling the pangs of childlessness. Awash in discretionary income and free of the constraints of social shaming, they could afford to avoid dating the provider betas in favor of slutting it up with the same rotation of cads their girlfriends are banging. Oh, the drama was so enticing!
Then she woke up one morning, pressed a hand against her vacant, nearly barren womb, and shuddered in silence as the icy finger of irrelevant spinsterhood sent a shiver down her spine. She had made a mistake.
So what does she do now?
Why, she tries to rope utterly self-interested guys like yours truly into fun-killing fatherhood!
Some of these women approach the task in a far more ruthless manner than Mary Pols did, purposefully going out and sleeping with men when they know they are at their most fertile.
In America, they even have a name for this – they call them ‘gotcha’ pregnancies. Many of the women involved deliberately avoid birth control and have no intention of letting their unwitting bedfellow know this.
Never mind that these succubi claim to have no intention of hitting the guy up for child support. Women, bless their amoral hearts, are known to change their minds on a whim when it suits them. A woman’s slapdash principles and the vast anti-male legal industrial complex are cold comfort for the modern playboy. You must look out for yourself.
How to spot a potential predator slut with designs on the babymaking power of your ball juice?

There ya go. Just look for the crows’ feet, saggy tits, and chest age spots.
The most dangerous woman in the world to sleep with is the childless, unmarried cougar. Their clock is rapidly winding down, their dying eggs are sending out distress signals, and they have no cuckold beta husband upon which to foist a bastard child. Either avoid them like the plague or double up on industrial strength condoms.
Here’s a handy reference guide for precautionary measures to take when banging the childless woman.
- If she’s under 25, college educated, lives in the city, has had an abortion, spends more than 40% of her take home pay on drinks and clothes, concurrently dates, has slutty girlfriends, and talks about spending a couple years to travel the world: Skip the condom and enjoy some skin on skin action. Blast inside her, you renegade! Odds are she’s on the pill, and if not, no worries — she’s on a first name basis with her abortionist. Bonus creampie if she’s a lawyer.
- If she’s 25-30 and all of the above, you had better start being careful where your boys lodge themselves. Use a condom for the first few weeks, then tentatively move to rawdogging. Check if she’s on the pill, but that’s not always a guarantee of child-free bliss. Too many girls — woops! — forget to take it the day you shoot inside her. To avoid this breach of contract, exercise the pull out option. Over the years collecting notches, your timing will become exquisite. You’ll be able to calculate down to the millisecond when you’re about to unload, and pull out at the exact moment you jizz. When you get really good at this, the narrow escape, optimal money shot reposition to her belly, back, or eye, and first stream of jizz will all happen elegantly in one smooth motion, like a hardcore ballet dance — The Nutbuster. It is crucial that you wipe her off with a towel or dirty sock yourself. Don’t leave that responsibility to her. I’ve heard horror stories of girls taking a dollop of the guy’s bellybutton load onto their fingers and inserting it into themselves while he was in the bathroom pissing.
- If she’s 30-35 and has a stupidly fluffy cat or toy dog, you are sailing into stormy waters. Why you would even bother with this kind of woman is beyond me, but let’s assume for purposes of discussion that she is well-preserved and has a hot body. Not only is this chick desperate to get impregnated, she is also more likely to be loaded down with a petri dish worth of STDs. If you insist on rawdogging it with her and blasting on her belly or back, scrub her down with sperm killing soap afterwards. You can do this by gently cajoling her into the shower after sex. Keep an eye on her hands, making sure they don’t go anywhere near your spooge or her vaj. If you use a condom, dispose of it in the toilet, not the garbage. Remember to flush!
- If she’s over 35 and without child or husband, you cannot be too careful. Use two of your OWN condoms (pinprick free) and drop them in an incinerator when you’re done. If no incinerator is available, place the used condom in an airtight iron lockbox for disposal at the local landfill or off the side of an ocean liner. If you make a mistake and blast on her belly, vacuum that shit up. Wiping with your underwear isn’t failsafe enough. If you are truly stupid and blast inside her — drop to your knees and start praying to the god of infertility (Jennifer Aniston) while arranging for your accounts to be moved overseas.
Whatever you do, never let a girl dispose of the condom for you. It sounds crazy, but I’ve been with more than one woman who would do just this. She would grab for the soiled condom and say “I’ll take care of that for you.” I was smart enough to know not to trust a woman with my spermed up condom by herself in the bathroom, so I told her she was acting weird, and flushed the condom myself. Fucking nutso broads.
People have asked me: if you don’t want kids why not just get the ol’ snippity snip? If you treasure your glorious package as much as I treasure mine, you’ll understand why I don’t want scalpels anywhere near there.
It’s too bad men don’t have a right to rip unwanted fetuses from the wombs of women who duped them into fatherhood. At the very least, a law predicated on true fairness would allow men to abort their financial responsibility for any child they didn’t agree on having with a predator slut. I won’t be holding my breath for that day to come.
PS: The title of this post is the working title for my coming magnum opus.

You’re not about to leave us,are ya Roiss?
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Heh. Had the big V several years ago and a couple of days of discomfort make for happy banging without worry.
Last year a predator told me she was pregnant and I was the only guy she slept with that month. A $20 followup at my urologist for a lab test provided a priceless expression on her face. Sorry hon, go look for your meal ticket elsewhere.
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Cougar or not, I like that sweater.
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Spermicides containing nonoxynol-9 (N-9) like Gynol II Extra Strength Contraceptive Jelly are your friend. Also a good way to test if she’s trying to trap you.
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Ah the Daily Mail, a cultural treasure. Future transhumans will dig through it’s spangled archives and see the truth of our time.
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“People have asked me: Roissy, if you don’t want kids why not just get the ol’ snippity snip?”
Because in the back of our minds we all know we might have to restart humanity after a major nuke attack or some other disaster. If there’s one thing men want to be, it’s to be prepared.
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We need to re-legalize the notion of “bastard”.
Bastardization was the male version of reproductive choice and abortion.
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I eagerly await the day they finally perfect the male pill.
And I’ll still wear a condom.
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it’s time for another jezebel invasion.
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I sort of hope some chick does catch Roissy’s swimmers with their pants down.
Wouldn’t that be fun to watch?
Aw, Roissy’s gonna be a daddy! Fifty bucks says it’s a girl.
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woman’s arm is hyper-extended in the picture. Looks weird.
Also, old. Clearly a Wall victim.
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I don’t. It will have to halt sperm production. I, like Roissy, value my package to much to use something that would turn me into an eunuch even if for a few hours. Sperm comes from the same source of T. It is to important to risk
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ay, hormonal birth control is not all it’s cracked up to be. Probably wouldn’t be a Golden Ticket for men, either.
I swear the stuff currently works primarily by dampening female libido.
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Her arm shows that she’s double-jointed, and that’s kinda cool.
Except that at her age, if you folded her legs behind her head, her flappy crotch flesh would spill even further out of her vag. Like bending back the lever on a Play-Doh machine.
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Another reason to only sleep with chicks you like and respect.
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How about storing up some sperm in a bank before getting a vasectomy? You’d still have your options open, without having to worry about predator sluts.
(Too bad this isn’t an option in countries with absurdly high minimum age for sterilization. IMHO, the minimum age should be lowered drastically for persons who have freezed their reproductive cells.)
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To help you avoid a pregnancy, jerking off half a day before sex will lower your sperm count. Of course, it will also reduce the pleasure.
Alternately, to maximize pleasure while (possibly) reducing your chanced of unwanted pregnancy, your goop will be full of weak and dead soldiers that will block your boys’ path to the Golden Egg if you hold your shit for more than four days.
Obviously, you’ll want to apply this along with condom, pulling out, or whatever.
(BTW, pulling out just before you blow your load still puts you at risk of pregnancy since advance scouts move into her territory ahead of the ejaculation.)
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Also, I wonder whether it’s possible to devise a legally valid “prenup for conception”, wherein the female partner would give over her rights for child support if she decides to keep a baby impregnated by the male partner.
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good god!
I just clicked on the article itself, and the full-size photo makes this woman look even WORSE. She’s not just late-thirties, but a bad, bad late-thirties.
That’s a life of vodka, bulimia, and rat-race stress etched on her face.
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Though Nip/Tuck eventually became too bizarre to regularly watch, I distinctly remember an episode where Dr. Troy instructed some young protege of his that soaking your package in 100 or 110˚ water for 10 minutes, essentially taking a really hot bath, would neutralize any sperm providing for a prophylactic-free sexual experience. Anyone know if that’s actually true?
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I hope the magnum opus provides an all-encompassing treatise on Roissyism.
It’s still unclear to me whether he “hates” betas. On one hand, he seems to despise beta acts and certainly, more betas mean less competitions for alphas. On the other hand, I sense a certain brotherhood with betas — while their behavior is abhorrent, they ARE still men who deserve to be coached to alphadom as well as warned about the amorality and traps of women.
Second, does he prefer slutty girls? On one hand, slutty girls are cockgobblers that should be pumped and dumped; on the other hand, it’s hard to have tons of sex without slutty girls! One solution is just to have LTR sex but I don’t think that is what Roissy is espousing. The other option is to magically find hot girls who put out only for you.
Please write a treatise and define succinctly your main tenets.
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The author of the article doesn’t look that bad in the downsized photo Roissy posted, but she looks absolutely hideous in the full size photo with the article.
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Did anybody catch the comment at the end of the article?
Here it is:
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A pretty lie, from a man using pullout for contraception.
Laws will not change because society has no sympathy for the trapped fathers; the sympathy goes to the child.
Ultimately these women are accountable to their inquiring children, asking about the father. The most humanitarian, nurturing responses might be:
-“I wanted to love and cherish you but never met a man to share my dream. I had sex with a stranger who doesn’t know about you. ”
-” A man and I had wreckless sex. None the less, you are the greatest blessing of my life.”
– “I chose to have sex with a man who wasn’t ready to be a Dad. His name is XX. I wish I had made a better decision for you, and I cherish and love you.”
–
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Really she looks like late 40’s. I know English people have delicate skin but the sun never shines there so she should be well preserved.
Holding out over time for a better deal is never a rational option for women. A woman of 25 is not going to get better looking and her social circle is very unlikely to improve.
Truthfully, the same thing can be said about men though. Men tend to hold out in the hope their social status will improve, but that is also unlikely. Income yes, relative social status no.
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I think he likes girls still in the early stages of sluttiness. Like 99 percent of guys of his age and class do.
It’s a fine line to walk for a single woman out there– most men find the evangelical No-Huggy-No-Kissy Till I Git A Wedding Rang kind of girl way, way too weird to deal with.
Even if they say that’s the kind of girl they want to settle down with, they find the whole phalanx of patriarchal attitudes and beliefs that come with it to be a big drag.
But they also don’t like that end-stage hardcore Sex and the City model, either.
Slut-vs-Nice Girl is a spectrum, not a dichotomy.
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PA:
Actually, this is one question where thorough, scrupulous, reliable scientific data are critically lacking. Considering how much manpower in life sciences gets wasted on silly studies about irrelevant issues, it seems incredible to me that almost nobody has ever bothered to put this vastly important question to rest once and for all.
The conventional wisdom commonly parroted by physicians and educators is that Cowper’s fluid (i.e. pre-cum) contains significant amounts of sperm. However, this seems to be a myth based on some antiquated (pre-WW2) studies; several small studies done in recent years have failed to find any sperm in Cowper’s fluid. See e.g. here:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/l51735386n53u261/
These studies, however, are still too small-scale and few in number to be trusted 100%. Also, another issue is whether actual sperm can be emitted before ejaculation, and if yes, how often and in what quantities. I’ve never managed to find any literature treating this issue systematically.
In any case, the data on contraceptive failures in practice suggest that competently practiced coitus interruptus isn’t that much behind other contraceptive methods in reliability. Despite what the PC sex educators will tell you, condoms, pills, and other contraceptives are scarily unreliable in practice. See e.g. this study by the research division of Planned Parenthood (which, unlike pro-abstinence religious groups, has no incentive to overstate the concerns):
http://www.guttmacherinstitute.net/pubs/journals/3106499.html
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Slut-vs-Nice Girl is a spectrum, not a dichotomy.
The best kind of girl to settle down with is one who had a small number of boyfriends in the past (say, 1 in high school and two after) but wasn’t in love with any of them, and broke up with each one. And zero pumps & dumps.
In other words, she’s not a “wierd” virgin and you are the first guy she fell in love with.
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oh, my god, you settled for being fourth in line?? ew.
LOL.
Kidding.
Yeah, I think having two or three boyfriends before getting married is fine.
Helps you figure out what you really want in a man, not what your mom or your girlfriends say you should want.
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religious girls. doormats if you want to play around, loyal and willing if you want it.
granted, less likely to stay in shape or want sex, but that’s why you can play aorund. and they cook and clean.
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Internet writer is funny. Internet writer is popular. Internet writer is king of short-form format.
Internet writer’s book sucks. It sucks and it sucks the energy out of writing for the internet.
Internet writer’s site is never the same and his book flops.
Seen it happen. See Maddox.
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@capt. J
“Men tend to hold out in the hope their social status will improve, but that is also unlikely. Income yes, relative social status no.”
I recall a social science survey, finding that at age 35, men relinquish their dreams of greater status and income.
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I’m not sure I would agree that religious women are doormats.
You ever spent much time around these jumper-wearing, headcovering, homeschooling evangelical gals?
Nobody steamrolls them.
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The tonality in this article was astounding. Within a few short paragraphs, this woman goes from
“I mean, what kind of fool has unprotected sex with an older woman without considering what her agenda might be? … But, seriously, if a man takes a risk like that, he has to face the consequences.”
to
“I don’t think they are always the poor victimised man with some awful harridan forcing her fertility wishes on him. Men are equal players in this game.”
man:fool
man:equal player
equal player:woman
woman:also a fool? hardly, from this article
Between the anecdotal evidence justifying her beliefs and her sickening double standards between men and women, this broad has thoroughly disgusted me. What’s the word used here for this type of presentation? Oh yeah, SOPHISTRY.
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they could afford to avoid dating the provider betas in favor of slutting it up with the same rotation of cads their girlfriends are banging
That’s the one thing that I could never understand about you and the posters here. If these women are avoiding the beta provider men, isn’t it a good thing since these men aren’t wasting their time with women who don’t really love them and only think of them as sources of income? It’s almost as if you’re arguing that it’s better for men to be with women who don’t love them in lieu of being alone.
Besides, if anything, if beta males like me are incapable of securing women, it’s men like yourself who have the most to fear since alpha males are more attractive, especially for one-night stands.
Skip the condom and enjoy some skin on skin action.
How many STDs do you have?
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OMW says, “You ever spent much time around these jumper-wearing, headcovering, homeschooling evangelical gals?
Nobody steamrolls them.”
We also have copies of _The Satanic Bible_ and botanical encyclopedia stuffed between our mattresses.
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Oh, and by the way Roissy, lower that “on the pill rawdog” age down to 27.
Something happens to women who are childless and unmarried at 27. All three of my stealth hoe married friends’ happy accidents happened with women between 27 and 30.
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“on March 17, 2009 at 1:18 pm ode to the married man
@capt. J
“Men tend to hold out in the hope their social status will improve, but that is also unlikely. Income yes, relative social status no.”
I recall a social science survey, finding that at age 35, men relinquish their dreams of greater status and income.”
Would be a scary thing. But umm prob not true. Look at all the divorced guys that restart their life and do better after age 35.
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PA:
“The best kind of girl to settle down with is one who had a small number of boyfriends in the past (say, 1 in high school and two after) but wasn’t in love with any of them, and broke up with each one. And zero pumps & dumps.”
You forgot to add, ex-boyfriends with relatively small penises.
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DA,
provider beta males are good as long as I’m not one of them
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women are allowed by society to keep a child if a man doesn’t want it.
and can abort it if the man does want it.
in one instance, the man pays but in both, his will is neutralized by the big vaginocracy that law has become.
“Aging careerist shrikes on the cusp of sexual invisibility”
LOLZ
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Does anybody know the chances of a pregnancy from a single encounter of unprotected sex?
In other words, if a foolish man becomes a donor for one of these women, what is the chance of him becoming a father (assume she, as per description, is at her fertile time and he opts for direct deposit)?
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Never get a vasectomy. Even if you loathe snot factories.
It’s not worth the plumbing troubles that ensue.
*Also, lobbing a grenade on your way out the bedroom is not the most insensitive thing you could do.
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and can abort it if the man does want it.
How many unmarried men are really in the market for a baby?
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Plus Ode your husband can still accomplish his dreams don’t let him become the man who lives the life of quiet resignation.
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“Roissy,
If she’s over 35 and without child or husband, you cannot be too careful. Use two of your OWN condoms (pinprick free) and drop them in an incinerator when you’re done. If no incinerator is available, place the used condom in an airtight iron lockbox for disposal at the local landfill or off the side of an ocean liner. If you make a mistake and blast on her belly, vacuum that shit up. Wiping with your underwear isn’t failsafe enough. If you are truly stupid and blast inside her — drop to your knees and start praying to the god of infertility (Jennifer Aniston) while arranging for your accounts to be moved overseas. “It’s too bad men don’t have a right to rip unwanted fetuses from the wombs of women who duped them into fatherhood. At the very least, a law predicated on true fairness would allow men to abort their financial responsibility for any child they didn’t agree on having with a predator slut. I won’t be holding my breath for that day to come.”
Your killing me. lol Irony of life I and my woman want kids none yet. Hopefully on my yeat haitis new job will pay off.
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I don’t know what’s going on in that picture, but elbows really aren’t supposed to bend that way. Perhaps she just stumbled away from a 10 car pile-up.
“People have asked me: Roissy, if you don’t want kids why not just get the ol’ snippity snip? If you treasure your glorious package as much as I treasure mine, you’ll understand why I don’t want scalpels anywhere near there.”
That’s a good question, and a not really satisfactory answer. Methinks, like most men with options, you are not as committed to the idea of lifelong bachelorhood as you say you are.
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Course with all the depleted uranium I have been absorbing they might turn out to be superheros.
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One of the many benefits on anal sex: no pregnancy.
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Course with all the depleted uranium I have been absorbing they might turn out to be superheros.
That’s the coolest line ever.
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Kthulah, are you a head-coverer?
I always find it fascinating, and the theology behind it seems impeccable when I talk to people about it. Can’t understand exactly how the practice came to be abandoned by mainline Christian churches.
And I agree that 27 is a significant birthday for a woman. To have hit 27 with no prospect for a child is to begin worrying that no chance will ever come.
I blame Newsweek.
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Heh, Gunslinger is definitely one of the most delightfully bizarre posters here.
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David Alexander:
“How many unmarried men are really in the market for a baby?”
That is a good question. My point is, a woman can abort even if a man wants the baby.
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Reading the daily mail on the regular will make you come to the conclusion that the whole of the UK has only 5 hot girls and is the second worse place to be a man other than the US.
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Reading Larry Auster’s blog I’ve come to a conclusion that the U.K. is the closest thing in the West to a police state and a miserable place to be.
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Years ago I did meet a guy who was crying about his aborted baby; it would have seemed a much more sincere grief if he weren’t also using the tale as the single saddest attempt at landing pity-sex I’ve ever witnessed.
abortion-trauma game?
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rape-trauma game. females use it. “oh my brother felt my tit while dad pawed at muh poon”
all fake.
just like every man fakes grief to get in your pants.
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pity game never works, though many have tried. what works, and what people confuse it for, is hiding-the-pain game.
Chicks get turned on when they think you have inner pain and they think you’re trying to hide it. It’s along the same lines as chicks digging your being mysterious and reserved.
Women want to peel the onion, but not to get to the center.
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But I never wear pants.
Hey, but now that I’m the Old Married Woman instead of the Young Single Woman, I hardly ever encounter tragic victims of the Gender War, except on the internet.
“Bitch done me wrong!”
Bliss. Sweet bliss.
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lol, funny post.
Good shit!
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ooh, yes, that’s exactly it, lurker.
You can look pained and brooding and melancholy all you want, but if you actually unleash the dread tirade about your Mundane Personal Issues, it’s an instant vaginal dessicant.
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Gentlemen,
Roissy is giving a you a warning well heeded concerning the number of women who will indeed get pregnant on purpose despite telling you they are on the pill.
ALWAYS pull out, no matter what she says. ALWAYS wipe her off with your own damned shirt if necessary. Have a towel nearby if you can swing it. Let HER PAY for in vitro fertilization and not have YOU as her underwriter for her desire to have a kid. She can pay the 10K or whatever it is to have a child, and not hit you up for a fourth of your income for the next 18 years, if she wants a kid badly enough.
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omw
“But I never wear pants.”
Grade B.
Now, if you don’t wear PANTIES I’ll give you an upgrade
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Make it a Grade D, angel; I’m a granny-skirt sort of gal.
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The only thing that this article tells me is that there will be a bumper crop of fucked up 18 year olds girls with massive daddy issues just about the time I will hit the perfect daddy age.
Everything else is bitch gibberish and amoral rationalizations whose incoherence would shock a smart seventh grader.
And just for the record I have never had sex without a rubber and I never will. In a couple of years I am going to get snipped after putting some sperm in a couple of sperm banks, but I need to research the legal issues surrounding that first. There is no way that I am going to do anything like that if there is any chance anyone other than me can get access to my joy juice. That shit is money in the bank.
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Solution: use a condom. One you provide. And flush it immediately afterwards.
Peter
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BS. Unless you’re willing to sell your soul to Oprah, the Internet is where you do your promotion these days.
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It happens to women who have children and are married at about the same time, too. There’s a second puberty or something at that age, and it causes women to act out in all sorts of ways.
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Jennifer Anniston – The god of infertility. Awesome…just awesome
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–Did anybody catch the comment at the end of the article?
Here it is:
Gentlemen, let me break it down to you, YES YOU ARE just sperm donors, so get on and get over it. lol.
Sara, Milano, Italy, 16/3/2009 —
And ATMs. Looks liks she left that out. No doubt she meant it.
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“You ever spent much time around these jumper-wearing, headcovering, homeschooling evangelical gals? ”
—–evangelical gals may be a pain for some, but not to the husbands. Religions—real religions, not shit like modern “Unitarianism” or anything else that’s just 60’s bullshitisms-disguised-as-religion—-teach obedience to a husband. Evangelical girls strongly believe that women should serve their husbands, not work, and raise the kids.
More importantly, evangelical/religious girls (and men) are taught to acknowledge the differences between men and women, and work within in them. So evangelical girls have no problem giving it up to their husbands even when not in the mood, precisely because they understand that the male sex drive is different from the woman’s—and that God desires procreation. Sure, they like orgasms; but more importantly, they like a happy family, which includes a husband whose seed is drained inside her, the way God intended.
As a side note, evangelical/religious boys believe in “dating” their wives, i.e. celebrating them with gifts when they can, acknowledging that women appreciate material gifts from more than men do. Not that men wouldn’t like a Hummer for Xmas, but they understand that flowers/candy/a night out means more to a woman than his discomfort at providing them, and also that a happy wife is a happy life.
So, in truth, the problem modern, non-religious marriages have is that they have been corrupted by feminism, which refuses to acknoweldge fundamental sex differences, or at least are strongly hostile to any gender classification. When you aren’t allowed to think that your own happiness comes second at certain times to your partner’s, your relationship has two strikes against it.
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Alpha or Beta?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0316093marriage1.html
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I think the 27 thing is related to that statistic I read where women hit their sexual peak at 30-33. Some kind of emergency biological clock kicking in to prevent them from becoming dried up cougars.
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“There’s a second puberty or something at that age, and it causes women to act out in all sorts of ways.”
More than usual?
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Gentlemen, this evil behaviour in NOT confined to “cougars”: I have an ex-girlfriend whom I believe tried to pull this very stunt on another guy, then tried to cuckold me. After we broke up, she had a nervous breakdown, dropped out of college, moved back to her mom’s, then fucked the guy down the hall, and got pregnant. Not so big a deal just on those facts. But the crazy thing was, when I was fucking her, she was a condum junkie. We were going through condums left and right, and she was meticulous about disposing of them. She tells me that this guy was a male model. After he blew her off, while still pregnant, she then tried desperately to come crawling back to ME. (Even though I had slept with her off and on, she never tried to claim the kid was mine).
I told her that if she had an abortion we could try to work things out. She said she couldn’t do it. I said I would never raise another man’s child. We stay in touch but she knows its never going to happen. Now I don’t claim to be an alpha. But that was the day I ceased to be a beta.
This girl is still a solid 8+. She’s 28 right now, and she’s got a four-year old. So all I can add to this discussion is for fuck’s sake, treat EVERY GIRL like an over-35 predator slut, not just the old ones.
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Female fertility starts to decline at around 27-28. It’s also a time when women start to acknowledge that they are showing some signs of aging, they begin to spend serious bucks on anti-aging skin care products. Finally there’s the psychological issue of being close to 30. Many women expected to be married with a kid by that time, and may also be getting pressure from family about producing grandkids. Finally women at that age have been in the workforce for a few years, and have maybe realized that working is not all that it’s cracked up to be, or maybe that they’re really not going to have the super-successful career they were promised because they are so damn special. Having a baby is a good excuse to drop out, also an easy explanation for failure to excel.
So, a mix of biological, psychological, and social factors all come together telling women in that age group that time is running out.
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An old joke.
The three stages of a relationship WRT kids str:
Stage 1. “I don’t want children.” “I don’t want children either.”
Stage 2. “But all my friends are having them.”
Stage 3. “What do you mean you’ve been of the pill for a month?”
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lurker:
WRT evangelical girls, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Well, no shit, lurker.
The traditionally-minded evangelicals have got things just about right when it comes to marriage and monogamy, but that doesn’t mean the women will roll over and let you whore around with nary a peep.
They aren’t just helpless doormats, and it irritates me with outsiders make assumptions about them based on reality TV shows, some stuff they read on the internet, and a couple buzzwords.
“Wifely submission” does not translate to “the man rules like a hedonistic tyrant.”
Y’all are funny sometimes.
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Well, no shit, lurker.
The traditionally-minded evangelicals have got things just about right when it comes to marriage and monogamy, but that doesn’t mean the women will roll over and let you whore around with nary a peep.
They aren’t just helpless doormats, and it irritates me with outsiders make assumptions about them based on reality TV shows, some stuff they read on the internet, and a couple buzzwords.
“Wifely submission” does not translate to “the man rules like a hedonistic tyrant.”
Y’all are funny sometimes.
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lurker:
WRT evangelical girls, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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And I agree that 27 is a significant birthday for a woman. To have hit 27 with no prospect for a child is to begin worrying that no chance will ever come.
Non-date has increasingly noted her desire for a nice white collar Greek guy to marry her. She’ll be turning 28 this year. Sadly, she’s unlike to find one until she finishes college.
Evangelical girls strongly believe that women should serve their husbands, not work, and raise the kids.
Yeah, that’s a burden since it requires me to work harder, possibly at a shittier job in order to support the family.
So evangelical girls have no problem giving it up to their husbands even when not in the mood, precisely because they understand that the male sex drive is different from the woman’s
And again, that’s broken, IMHO, because it’s pointless to have sex with somebody who isn’t interested in having sex. It’s patronizing and disrespectful, and I’d much rather jerk off to better looking women in porn than deal with fake orgasms and uninspired boring sex. It’s almost an incentive to cheat and find a woman who actually wants and desires you.
Methinks, like most men with options, you are not as committed to the idea of lifelong bachelorhood as you say you are.
I think Roissy is just beyond that point. I don’t think he has the latent dreams of family with wife and kids, and beta providerhood since he lacks the beta inclinations. His posts are devoid of the betahood needed to be a husband and active father.
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Roissy doesn’t want a vasectomy because part of the thrill of sex is the possibility of impregnation.
Take that danger away, and the whole thing is a stale, impersonal release of bodily fluids.
No, he doesn’t want a wife and kids, but he also doesn’t want there to be no element of risk left in the act.
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Anyonymous, not saying hedonistic tyrant.
If he starts bringning home floozies or staying out all night, his church buddies are supposed to talk to him and his pastor is supposed to intervene for the wife. It’s almost a trade off: man gets subserviant/more pliable wife, wife gets army who will intervene for her (because the couple has chosen that community and its rules).
“They aren’t just helpless doormats, and it irritates me with outsiders make assumptions about them based on reality TV shows, some stuff they read on the internet, and a couple buzzwords. ”
—I don’t think helpless doormats, I think more committed to making their partner happy than modern SWPLers.
And yes, religious wives will tolerate a cheating spouse, if only to prevent divorce, which is verboten. And also, they believe in forgiveness and that people can be changed. Finally, many religious people get a kick out of self-abuse and being the poor put upon woman with a sinning husband. And, of course, all women love a bad boy, even the cheated-on wife.
A man could cheat if he wants, so long as it is under the radar or not embarassing her or not bringing outright shame to the community.
Don’t be hostile or assume I make her a doormat. Religious women have different outlets for strength and different goals than SWPL girls.
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I mean, lurker, for serious. Have you MET a real hardcore evangelical clan?
Birth-control-eschewing, modest-dressing, Bible-thumping, home-birthing, homeschooling, homeSTEADing, homechurching– that schedule just doesn’t leave much leisure time or disposable income for playing XBox, let alone man-whoring.
“Idle hands are the devil’s tools.” LOL.
You wouldn’t last five minutes with an evangelical wife.
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What does SWPL stand for? Single White Power Lawyer?
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religious wives will tolerate a cheating spouse, if only to prevent divorce, which is verboten.
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Younger, prettier evangelical women will often not date you unless you are a virgin, much less accept affairs.
Cheating is the one unequivocally accepted reason for divorce among evangelicals. No one would bat an eye at a woman for divorcing a cheating husband. (See Matthew 19:9.)
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Darling, you don’t know anything about these women. I was raised by one.
Divorce is not verboten in all the various loose sects, either, and the church of my youth has very, very little tolerance for adultery on either party’s side.
They don’t take a “boys will be boys…” attitude toward a man’s sexual vices, from premarital sex to adultery to pornography to masturbating in the shower. LOL.
It actually is a fine source of support for a woman whose divorce was instigated by an adulterous or abusive husband, acting as a surrogate provider when necessary.
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And anyway, this “religious people get a kick out of self-abuse” trope has got to die.
What basis has it in reality, unless by “self-abuse” you mean “ability to put other things ahead of one’s own immediate desires?”
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“SWPL,” pronounced “swipple” is the type of individual skewered on the brilliant parody site, stuffwhitepeoplelike.com.
Another term for SWPLs is “whiter people,” because that’s what a certain class of whites do: engage in status games to show their individual superiority to other whites, rather than giving due consideration to their group interests unlike every other racial group in the world.
One such status game is to one-up other whites in the embrace of the Other, even to the point of engaging in obviously high-risk activity, like this SWPL.
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What the fuck is wrong with that chick’s left arm? Goddamn is she fucking ugly!
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No, he doesn’t want a wife and kids, but he also doesn’t want there to be no element of risk left in the act.
In an alternative world where Roissy can knock up women without fear of disease or child support, I’d imagine many single-mothers with the offspring of Roissy.
This girl is still a solid 8+. She’s 28 right now, and she’s got a four-year old.
One of my friends jokingly said that the only way I’d get a reasonably attractive white girl is to bang single moms who need a beta provider, and are stuck with the biracial kids of other black men. I get a white woman, and a cute kid to dote over and call me daddy, and she gets an income boost and something mimicking the traits a competent and strong father. The downside is that this arrangement sucks since she wouldn’t love me, and there’s a 100% chance of her cheating on me.
while still pregnant, she then tried desperately to come crawling back to ME.
If you’re a beta provider, stay away from pregnant women as sex partners. They lull you into easy, condomless sex while pregnant, and then trap you when the kid comes with emotions. Eventually, she’ll become pregnant with your kid, and you’ll be stuck with one or two checks, especially if you marry and adopt the other kid.
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Typical David Alexander post:
“I can’t get laid.”
“My job sucks.”
“I’m a dumb black/blacks suck.”
“Things aren’t fair.”
“P0rn is all I’ve got.”
“I want to kill myself at times, but am too much of a pussy to actually do it.”
Reshuffle the order as needed.
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DA is not a dumb black. He strikes me as intelligent and articulate, and not in the same way as the superficial, punching-above-his-weight Obama. He needs to parlay that into 1) a decent job and 2) poon, to pass on his high IQ genes.
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A good place to see a sympathetically-shown fundamentalist Christian lifestyle is the show “18 Kids and Counting” about the Duggar family on TLC.
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Link:
http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/18-kids-and-counting/duggar-family.html
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This is why I have a bunsh of contracts on my bedside table. Just a sign and then I’m ready for you baby!
It take 5-10 minutes for her to read it, but wotht every minute.
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1. i used to bang this asian chick rawdog, but would pull out and bust one out on her ass, and she would get mad and GRAB MY ASS and prevent me from pulling out. craziness
2. another chick tried to use me as a sperm donor. met her on internet. rawdog bang on first date (i don’t recommend this), i pulled out and she started crying. said her husband was leaving her and she wanted to get preggers (but make him think it was his) to keep him around. i was pretty blown away by that one. bitches be bad.
3. another girl was mid thirties, asked “casual” question about stds on our first date, brought me home. she had birth control pill container lying around (to make me think she was on it i suppose). raw dog (see a trend? ps i have no stds ladies). luckily i was too drunk to bust one.
either way, assume the worst. assume she is trying to get pregnant. always bust on the face
el chief.
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“Perhaps I should be more calculating. I remember a close female relation of mine, very proper and upper middle class, telling me she was going to have sex just to get pregnant. Any man would do.”
“But I have never wanted to do that. A happy accident is one thing, but actually to go out and plan an ‘unwanted pregnancy’ is something else entirely, and it’s not for me. ”
If this does not sum up much of female mental gymnastics when it comes to these issues, I don’t know what does. No, she is telling us, I am not one of “those girls” who actually goes out and plans an unwanted pregnancy. I am better. I would never plan something like this, even though I participate in the very actions that lead to pregnancies and would be happy with a unexpected child. Nonsense.
This is a sad article. So much of this sums up the death throes of the West at the moment. Here we have these aging, pathetic women, who spend so much of their child bearing years fucking and sucking as many dicks as possible, now desperate for children. It is now too late for them though. Someday the Asiatic hoards in Europe who are now out breeding these very same European women will be more than happy to make the remaining Euro minority second class citizens or even slaves in what was once Europe. A hedonistic society will always end up destroying itself. Think of Rome. The societies with more traditional notions of marriage and family in the end will always win the demographic wars. Think of the “barbarian hoards” who out bred the Romans.
I really don’t think we can’t have it both ways. We cannot live a sexually hedonistic way of life and still hope to carry on our society. As a society either we return to some ancient and traditional structures of marriage and family or we eventually die off. Perhaps I am wrong, but I see this article as evidence that I am not.
Do we really think the Asiatic and Muslim hoards in Europe are going to want to support the welfare system to take care of the aging Euro population in thirty years? I see a lot of social strife in the future with a complete collapse of the welfare system that these women are hoping to depend upon once they are old and childless. The past six months should show us all just how quickly vast amounts of wealth can vanish and national economies can be on the verge of total collapse.
So I suppose some of us can enjoy the last, remaining fruits of sexual liberation while we can before the whole edifice comes tumbling down. I can understand that too well. The allure of endless pussy is a powerful one. I for one have decided to go in a different direction. Sometimes this whole game becomes just a bit too risky.
Oh yeah, and this was hilariously written by Roissy. Thanks for the great laughs!
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I’ve heard of the Duggars, (endlessly, lol) but haven’t seen any of their shows.
A good friend of mine has eleven kids and hands out copies of “Fascinating Womanhood” to everyone she knows, but geez, she would NOT roll over and accept adultery from her husband.
She expects him to be the leader in the household, and that includes setting a strong moral and spiritual example to their children.
She says the most frustrating thing about discussing marriage in a Biblical context is getting past the knee-jerk idea that wifely submission is degrading slavery, that it makes a second-class citizen out of the wife.
Because it’s not. And it doesn’t.
No matter how bad Lurker and other creepy dudes wish it were so.
“Love your wives as Christ loved the Church.”
That’s a high call, and it demands serious self-sacrifice.
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Perseus, read this:
http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2006/the_return_of_patriarchy
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Lurker may be describing catholic marriages in the countryside of undeveloped regions circa 1950.
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Fellows, you have just got to read this book called TUNG, The Ultimate Nut Guarantee. It deals with, brutally, this subject (oops babies) as well nutbusting in and upon the modern woman.
http://seductionreview.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/tung/
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“Thursday
An old joke.
The three stages of a relationship WRT kids str:
Stage 1. “I don’t want children.” “I don’t want children either.”
Stage 2. “But all my friends are having them.”
Stage 3. “What do you mean you’ve been of the pill for a month?””
My ex-wife used to run the family support group for military (volunteer). Basically it is like almost 100 pecent of the first kids were “accidents” from what she heard from the other woman. They would stop taking the pill. Oops. The pill pretty much 100 percent effective but not if it is not taken. She also said you could miss like once or whatever and the affects would still last if you had been taking it regularly. She never had an accident on me I thought that was nice of her.
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“omw
Well, no shit, lurker.
The traditionally-minded evangelicals have got things just about right when it comes to marriage and monogamy, but that doesn’t mean the women will roll over and let you whore around with nary a peep.
They aren’t just helpless doormats, and it irritates me with outsiders make assumptions about them based on reality TV shows, some stuff they read on the internet, and a couple buzzwords.
“Wifely submission” does not translate to “the man rules like a hedonistic tyrant.”
Y’all are funny sometimes.”
Come on OMW some of us should be able to have our cake and eat it to lol
Not even for the benefit of mankind>?
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You do realize that MEN pay for these single mothers no matter what?
There are all sorts of hidden bachelor taxes that apply to men.
They get a free ride whether there’s a father or not. The extra income from the father just “makes things easier.”
MEN PAY NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
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Ode to the indentured servant male–
That certainly the feminist and media view. It’s not the view of lots of men, nor of a lot of women. With the right sort of media coverage society would have sympathy for the victimized guy.
As far as the kid goes, kids would be a lot better off if their mothers were STRONGLY pressured to marry or otherwise lastingly cohabitate with the father to be by their mid or at the latest late twenties and have kids then. There used to be that very pressure until only a few decades ago.
Bringing back the stigma for unwed motherhood and illegitimate children would be a BIG help.
Yeah the transition might be a bit rough, but it would turn out much better for the vast majority of kids before long.
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Didn’t you hear the news that DC has gone Rwanda? Y’all are going to get AIDS anyways.
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Roissy said —
Yeah. Under the banner of “men for choice”. And replace “predator slut” with woman. Proof issues. And anyway all women, not just preditor sluts, have abortion and giving up for adoption rights if they wish to avoid unintended motherhood.
Another word for this of course is the “ooops” pregnancy. In addition to the coldly calculating approach outlined here, a subconsious one probably happens a lot more often. That can often happen with a boyfriend she hopes will marry her. She gets careless with her pill taking, somehow. Or with her diaphram and spermicide insertion, and so on.
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The way to go is to get a ,a href=”http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13232-sperm-tap-planned-for-reversible-vasectomy.html”>valved vasectomy.
Freeze some sperm as a backup.
A commenter above says that sperm comes from the same place as testosterone, and that’s nothing to fool with, hence no vasectomy for him.
That’s nuts / informed. Vasectomies DON’T mess with your nuts. They cut (or valve) the tube that takes the sperm from your nuts to your penis.
They do lay you up for a day or three though.
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“thenews
Didn’t you hear the news that DC has gone Rwanda? Y’all are going to get AIDS anyways.”
Yea I think I just read somewhere that everyone has aids. Crazy shit.
Really though whoever came up with that obviously it didn’t work. People still having sex.
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OMW
Please elaborate. I’m genuinely interested in what you have in mind.
My first reaction is that “I wouldn’t”.
The biggest problem for me would be the degree to which I’d have to fake a new found religious belief. Well it’s more complicated than that; I can genuinely do deism and adding some ceremony and ritual to that is ok. I could handle it. Particularly with e.g. Catholicism. esp. if I didn’t have to go all the time. She could. I would occasionally.
Marrying a good girl Catholic from Poland or Columbia etc. strikes me as a pretty good bet for someone looking for marriage and kids. I’d still recommend a pre-nup but I might not recommend quite as tough a one.
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For 30 and above, an alternative is to blast the walls of her rectum with your manseed. They may protest with the claim of inexperience, but most of these mares have the tell of a yawning anus!
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Howard Roark–
(great nik btw)
Yuup. See a post of mine above. Ooops pregnancies are common among younger chicks trying to rope a boyfriend into becoming a husband. Often their only semi conscious I think. But not entirely unconscious either. Sort of like she mused, “you know, it really wouldn’t be so bad if I somehow messed up and got knocked up by Troy”. And then somehow becomes careless with her BC.
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Does anybody know the answer to my question above? Just how big a risk is this for a man? If you are stupid enough to fall into the trap, how likely are you to be a father?
I made an estimate of 7 percent based on the following explanation:
– The chance of pregnancy is 85 percent after one year of using no contraception.
– Once per month sex coincides with her fertile time (12 times).
– .85 / 12 = .07
There has got to be a few math/stats types out there. Is my analysis totally bogus?
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Well, at least with women working now, they get to pay welfare for these bastards, too. So, there is a modicum of justice in this world.
I wonder why she went to India to get pregnant? Can she still sue for support?
In America, years ago, our progressives pushed the idea of single motherhood as a fine idea. If not single motherhood, then at least have both father and mother out working and raise the child in daycare.
Boy, what a mess. Baltimore, where I live, is single mother city ghetto. Our murder rate is astounding. We had only one single mother in our upscale middle class suburb, and her son was a criminal.
So, these women, having children with no husband, should be ostracized. They are a threat to us all.
This just underscores Roissy’s low view of women, BTW. All these problems will be resolved once our society passes from the scene, maybe in our lifetimes. I won’t mourn it.
Roissy is sure turning me off women. I wonder if this is just part of his alpha plan. Drive all the betas from the field, making his life that much simpler. Nice. Make us all into DA’s.
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OMW asks, “Kthulah, are you a head-coverer?”
Yes I am, when I can get away with it without being lynched or mistaken for married. Sometimes it’s gelee (African headwrap) style, and sometimes middle eastern “hijab”, but the Christian version where you can have your front hairline, ears or neck showing. If I’m visiting a mosque or religious Muslim friends, I cover all but my face and hands.
I wear a head covering even though I’m not a fundamentalist, and am in fact technically agnostic, because of the symbolism and personal space preferences. It fell out of mainstream Christian fashion, I think, because of women not wanting to be mistaken for Muslim, and the decline of true courtship. When you have to attract a man with your looks and sexual availability (or illusion of it) then looking not easy becomes looking boring and non romantic.
We actually have fashion trends with head covering though. Bhetti can probably back me up on this one. A couple of years ago, it was layering Al Amira (slip on) hijabs in various ways, and this year, folks are into getting them professionally done, Egyptian style, or trying to replicate that look anyhow.
I had stopped covering for some years, but started up again when people were touching my hair without permission. After having to punch a guy who hesitated a little too long after being told to let my hair go, I decided it was time to wrap it up.
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PA
Guys, this from PA is gold
BTW, that’s true for an alpha settling down too. It’s the ideal anyway.
The worst thing is a girl who really enjoys, and has had no qualm in the past, about no emotional involvement sex for her. If she’s let it happen once or twice but felt terrible about it, that’s not so bad. But if she loved it but then “reformed” — forget it. She will un-reform in the future, count on, several years into your marriage.
The holy grail is a girl like PA describes who also has a high sex drive. This used to be very possible and remains so among some of the highly religious — or among girls who immigrate for or after college.
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To those of you think roissy is keeping the sperm for the possibility of traditional fatherhood, think again. He is in fact making a good and calculated investment: women are going to pay over hundreds of thousands of dollars for that piece of DNA in a couple of years; which he will make sure cover any ‘track him down and make him pay for the kid’ policies.
DA: alphas are sexually attractive, that is all that most game in the field conclusively shows. Confusing that with love is like how betas confuse love with sexual attraction: not the same.
It’s sometimes easier to love a beta in some ways ’cause they can evoke motherly instincts just like a kid. If love (and apparently ugliness!!) didn’t exist, betas would never get anything. It’s very difficult to stand more than one minute with anyone if you don’t even feel affection; regardless of however much goldlove or babyfever you may have.
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Thursday: Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Younger, prettier evangelical women will often not date you unless you are a virgin, much less accept affairs.
Yeah right. I’ve known plenty. Who does a woman who goes to see healer preachers attempt resurrections and travels to evangelize in Third World hellholes where mobs regularily attack Christians preferably date? Answer: bad boys in the hope of reforming them. The more religious they are, the more obsessed they are with “saving” men.
omw: Birth-control-eschewing, modest-dressing, Bible-thumping, home-birthing, homeschooling, homeSTEADing, homechurching– that schedule just doesn’t leave much leisure time or disposable income for playing XBox, let alone man-whoring.
Nope but it breeds nice women who have no defenses to gaming.
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Hey, Roissy is only 6 years behind Steve Sailer at catching on to this. From isteve.com’s January 2003 archive:
“I’m reminded of an extreme example of this. When my first son was an infant, my wife was in a playgroup with a young single mother who told her that one day she had a dream in which she had a beautiful blonde baby boy. So, that evening she went to a bar and found the blondest man there. Later that evening when he earnestly inquired about birth control, she lied that she was on The Pill. Nine months later she gave birth to a boy, who soon looked exactly like the blonde baby she had dreamed of. The shell-shocked father was dutifully sending checks, but the mother had never gotten around to explaining to him what had really happened.”
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Jaakeli, no defenses to gaming? Are you kidding me?
We are told from childhood that all an unsaved man wants from a woman is sex. You’re the equivalent of demon possessed dogs we need to avoid like a plague.
Granted, some have a lapse in university or something, but the way they get treated “out in the world” sends them running straight back to the church.
Evangelicals and the like are a whole different set of dysfunctions than Catholics. They’re more literal and take their faith much, much more seriously on average.
There was alot that was good about it, but I’m glad that I detached from the extreme sector of it. My parents did too, for the most part, though they just found a less violent flavor of it. They realized that the craziness is what alienated me and one of my brothers from the church.
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The more religious they are, the more obsessed they are with “saving” men.
SWPL christianity is not christian in any sense. The word to describe it is heretical. And what you describe is precisely SWPL christianity, even though you may think otherwise since SWPL christianity can take any denomination, catholic, protestant, whatever, as its host.
And Roissy has already written a lot about morality of SWPL females.
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This fine rock song: a celebration of coockoldry and pregnancy-trapping, or not?
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I cant believe Roissy is advocating the Pull out Method!!LOL!! He ‘s like father Flanigan or somebody!! “Now lad,if ye use birth control tis a sin! A sin against CHRIST!!!! ” Do NOt use the PO method. You’ll get her preggers AND not even get a decent orgasm!! Or a “daycent” orgasm as father Flanigan would say!!
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joel: “Roissy is sure turning me off women. I wonder if this is just part of his alpha plan. Drive all the betas from the field, making his life that much simpler. Nice. Make us all into DA’s.”
Nope, that’s just effective at getting rid of the repressed gay (especially misogynists who’re also gay) guys.
(sorry, joel, so sorry, I couldn’t help it, you begged for it. YOU DID. Don’t start talking about projection to me, boy.)
Kthulah: Yeah, I’m aware there are bewildering fashions which’re unfortunately not that uptodate in Middle East distant Londres. I did shop around online for Amira, which looked utterly convenient. The only recent news I had was one of those stupid forward e-mails about this other fashionable one, which they said was… JEWISH!!! OH NO!! DON’T WEAR IT GIRLS!! Dolts (chain e-mailers all share this quality). I’ve seen a relative wear it recently.
Example: http://www.tznius.com/images/products/butterflytying4.JPG
The Gulf black sheila decorated with little diamante/zirconium/crystals is what I’ve always been partial to. I’d probably layer it on top of a plain black scarf if I had to, to compensate for any transparency!
I’m not wearing a hijab. I wanted to when I was sixteen but my mother prevented me; didn’t want me to stick out and didn’t want to start wearing one herself (Me wear a hijab before her?! Faux pas! Unacceptable!). She’s the arcrylic nails, heavy make up and stiletto heels type DA seems to worship; ironically no sexuality about her; saved herself for dad and he’s the only one. She’s a man dressed in Gulf-wear armour (DA: seriously, turn muslim and go repressed woman hunting in the Gulf. Just have the money and the plane ticket awayfromcrazyfamily ready), with hints of vulnerability meant to disarm for those closest to her.
Anyway, I recently bought about ten generic scarfs from the local market. Every time I put them on, I can’t seem to help trying to wear them hijab-style eventually. It makes me feel safer, warmer, easier about myself, in tune with the sisterhood and my identity. Even when I don’t mean to; almost a compulsive thing.
Can’t believe you have to put up with hair touching. I’ve obeyed the practically subconscious norms so much in the Middle East, it’s hard to understand what COULD happen if they’re not obeyed in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Seeing as how headcoverings used to be fashionable and all; I see examples of it everywhere in non-muslim cultures, it seems such a shame that its now associated exclusively with muslims.
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The doctrine of “being not unequally yoked” does much to discourage girls from trying to reform hopeless bad boys through marriage.
And, anyway, the “movement” is turning away from overseas evangelism and becoming increasingly (some say excessively) home-focused, on the grounds that it is retarded to worry about Rwanda when you live in a fucked-up post-Christian society yourself.
Doug, you want a girl who’s from a society or subculture that is just not quiiite post-Christian yet; you probably don’t mind putting up with the bells and smells twice a year, but that’s not what evangelicals are about right now.
You want “cultural Christianity.” Not the hardcore patriarchal evangelical variety.
That girl isn’t going to use birth control, allow TV, alcohol, tobacco, or porn into the house. She will want you to lead daily family Bible devotions, and she won’t put out before the wedding.
Good luck with your brimstone game.
Your Polish Catholic will go to church once a week but won’t let mere religious belief weigh too heavily in her regular business. In other words, she’ll be all the sexxxy fun of a secular woman, with less overt sluttiness. Perfect, right?
It’s like an early 1960s paradise!
But if she has daughters, she won’t teach them much about not growing up to be sluts themselves, as she will lack any sort of foundation on which to do that.
Culturally, such a girl is still nominally Christian; theologically, she’s no better than a Unitarian.
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Ode to the indentured servant man
That’s most definitely not true of a whole lot of higher level professional men.
In fact 35 tends to be just when their status takes a big leap upwards. They become managing directors at investment banks, full partners at biglaw firms, and pass out of residency as doctors around this age. The slave becomes the master.
They have a lot more money, more authority, and maybe most importantly MORE TIME if they want to have it around then. Women know this and anyway quickly find that.
It’s a big change. And esp. if he’s kept is bod in shape, his dating market value DEFINITELY goes up, and yeah I’m talking about with the young and mid twenty something hotties. Early thirties girls are literally desperate to get him.
If he isn’t a total wuzz anyway. Maybe even if he is, but that’s a lower grade thing.
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Here’s latest on the wretched state of Mr Pitt:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1162719/Angelina-Jolie-slaps-Brad-Pitt-sacks-nanny-walking-bedroom-hug.html
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omg, I love tznius.com! Learned everything I know about tying a headscarf from them.
And Kthulah, I had no idea you owned Modern Trad!
I’ve seen it a few times, linked from an Eastern Orthodox headcoverer’s blog. Fun site. Loved your African headwrap instructions. Puzzled over your makeup advice. Seriously pondered turning a pair of drawers into a bra. LOL.
I’ve been wearing crocheted snoods whenever in public– not opaque by any means, but they do keep the hair confined and protected.
Don’t know that they really satisfy the Biblical directive, but they are better than running around bare-headed.
And I’m a little afraid of going MORE modest… I’m already occasionally mistaken for some sort of Anabaptist. Which is stupid, but people are pretty stupid about religion in general.
How did three headcovering women wind up talking to a DC pickup artist????
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Yeah, and it would be a little odd to cover as a single girl in Israel, where it’s mostly a married Orthodox thing, as I understand.
Around here, headcoverers are a pretty eclectic mix.
Amish in the prayer caps, Charity ladies in their little white veils, the evangelical crowd in their various colors and styles of bananas and wide headbands, and, of course, Muslims, who are impossible to mix up with anyone else.
Mostly in plain hijab and jilbab… we don’t seem to get that chic urban Muslimah look around here. lol.
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Bhetti, strangely it’s secular guys here who have the hair touching problem. If you have interesting or long hair, they feel like they have to put their hands in it nonconsensually. Usually, it’s enough to just tell them to stop or pull your hair to the other side and glare at them, but sometimes they get an attitude about it, like I shouldn’t be offended that someone’s fondling a part of me without my permission.
Amiras are very easy…like putting on a t-shirt. Unfortunately, they aren’t made for very long hair. I started making hair tubes out of the legs of cheap velveteen tights that hold everything together under a shayla. If I tried tucking all my hair under something, I would have major “camel humps” which are improper, so I’m told.
There are so many styles. One of my favorite little accessories is a visor bonnet. It’s an underscarf bonnet with a brim like a kind of baseball cap.
I also think it’s a shame head covering is viewed as a Muslims-only thing by most westerners. It is such a versatile bit of clothing, and also protects the hair and forehead from the sun, which many women would benefit alot from.
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So these days we have women begging to be impregnated while men on the other hand fastidiously stow away their genetic material. Nature is strong but culture is stronger.
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Wonder what percentage of the male population actually has sperm frozen? I’m betting a tiny one. It’s one of those things that dudes talk about for effect, but hardly ever actually do.
Like 19 year old guys who say they’ll get a vasectomy “the minute I’m allowed to.” LOL.
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There probably are non-trivial maintenance costs associated with storing frozen sperm.
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Traditional evangelical women tend to be a lot like Sarah Palin. They don’t ban TV, they don’t withdraw from the world, they don’t act like 3rd Century Religious Zealots.
They DO put a lot of stress on family, having kids, family time, church attendance and community devotion, moral uprightness, not fooling around, little toleration for those who do, and like most traditional women rule the roost when it comes to most of the important decisions, and leave their husbands to their own hobbies or what not without intruding or being anything other than supportive.
They don’t drag their husbands around shoe-shopping for Manolo Blahniks, but DO require them to be at school plays, dances, etc. and make dinner and share chores and pull their fare share of the household load. As in most traditional families, they are not shy about expressing themselves and it’s generally their way. Moreover, as noted husbands are expected to remain “romantic” with their wives and actively court them throughout their marriage.
These marriages on average tend to produce intensely bonded emotional ties, what described most of America up through say the 1980’s.
What’s notable about the women Roissy links to is that they are supremely uninterested in the messy compromises of marriage and family. They want it “their way” all the time, without the bother and hassle of being married and giving up total independence and freedom, and compromising on men. They are still holding out for sex with Alphas and kids on their own terms. The author even notes the “harem” of one particular rock star. Truer words never spoken.
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It is getting a little scary with the head covering thing.
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OMW asks, “How did three headcovering women wind up talking to a DC pickup artist????”
He’d say it’s bad boy attraction. LOL!
In my case though, it’s noticing that something is dreadfully wrong with the western world, and exploring various sites, lending my perspective and hopefully help in bringing some sanity…or the good kind of insanity at least.
On a personal level, somehow visiting this site has made me much more okay with being romantically alone. I’m not sure exactly why.
In Israel, it’s mostly married women who cover, across the faiths. Some young Muslim women do though. I once saw a woman in a very well wrapped layered turban type style hijab scarf with a blouse and very tight jeans though. I asked a friend about it, and she told me that in a way, hijab is considered the least one can do. Depending on one’s regional background, it could be that it’s just the default look for her ethnicity, and they don’t worry about much of the rest so long as the body is covered with some kind of fabric.
The panty-bra is great for the summer. Here sometimes it’s so humid that it hurts to wear regular bras. It’ll cause all manner of very nasty chafing.
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Whiskey —
The fair share of the household load for a hard working professional man or other similarly hard working man, who’s married to a part time or no time wife, approaches zero.
The fair rubric is total hours worked. When the wife is watching soaps or reading novels while being mindful that the kid is out playing or unfortuantely more like these days in video game playing, that’s not her work time. I grew up with a non working mother and a hard working professional dad, and let me tell you my mother had a huge amount of free time. So much so that she got very bored and ending up doing a lot of voluteer work leading to eventually becoming president of the county’s leading private non profit adoption agency.
But I like to cook. Occasionally. And so do.
There’s a lot of total bullshit from women (particularly feminists but really pretty much all born and bred American women) about how much hard work being a mother is, really since the 50s (but starting back in the 20’s for better off people) with all the appliances etc. Infants though, yeah they’re a ton of work.
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That’s true, whiskey. The more mainstream variety is certainly the lion’s share of the evangelicals, but I don’t know that they are succeeding in creating a subculture that can hold their best and brightest youngsters in.
I mean, I remember the kids playing the latest “Jars of Clay” album at parties, and being disgusted. It was trying so hard to be “relevant” and “cool,” and failing miserably.
Why try? Give me Nirvana! LOL.
The reactionary quiverful bunch is certainly “weirder” and much more isolated from the mainstream than the Palin’s variety, but I don’t think the Duggars and their ilk hemorrhage their younger generation to mainstream urban culture the way the more liberal, TV-watching, public school-attending, mega-church style of evangelicism does.
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However men should do SOME household work for token reasons. And then there’s things like fixing wiring, minor carpentry, etc. That kind of thing, sure.
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Correction
There’s a lot of total bullshit from women (particularly feminists but really pretty much all born and bred American women) about how much hard work being a mother is, when it hasn’t been, really since the 50s (but starting back in the 20’s for better off people) with all the appliances etc. And then if her professional husband has “someone come in” once or twice a week, there REALLY isn’t.
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PA, now they can even take your sperm after you’re dead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/572377.stm
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Fuck kids, their overrated.
You can catch some predator sluts on the maury show. The way some women come across in the show is pretty frightening.
Nonetheless, I love it when the man is not the father.
Maury: You are not the father!
Man: Ohhhhhh!! *claps* *dances* In yo face!
Woman: Alright!…Alright!…*Inside her mind*(Christ!..i need a fuckin beta to support my child…ughh.. guess I’ll have to dig back in my slut files to find other potential “fathers.”
Go fucking figure.
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Any man who does not marry a virgin is a fool.
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Kthulah
Why do you post your pic?
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Who does a woman who goes to see healer preachers attempt resurrections and travels to evangelize in Third World hellholes where mobs regularily attack Christians preferably date?
Sounds like you have been dating Pentecostals, who tend to be both lower class and crazier than the average Evangelical. They have a rep for not always living up to conservative moral standards. See Bristol Palin, Katy Perry. Being Pentecostal kind of like being Catholic, there are all sorts of strict rules in theory, but most people don’t follow them in practice. My experience is with more middle class denominations.
Even there there definitlely _are_ some girls who go in for the “save the badboy thing” or who are just plain hellraisers themselves. But these tend to weed themselves out of the community pretty quickly. For every one of those there are 10 who just stay home and only go out in their church circles. I have been going out to bars, clubs, pubs for a while practicing this stuff, and there just hasn’t been any overlap between the girls I have known from various churches in the area and the bars. Zero.
Actually, tne thing a lot of these evangelical girls will do if they like you is subtly let you know about their virginity. Of course, most of these are middle class, educated girls. After dating in these circles you really get a feel for who has done what.
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That’s pretax. That 20-25% for one kid, depending on the state, pretax, will become 40% or so after tax for high earners in high tax states after tax, because it’s not deductible. You can only spend after tax money.
It’s also tax free to her. And amounts to mostly alimony, certainly for high earners.
Don’t you love them feminists!
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I used to double-bag, remove the condoms, flush them down the toilet, and spray Clorox in the bowl.
No chances.
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“If she’s under 25, college educated, lives in the city, has had an abortion, spends more than 40% of her take home pay on drinks and clothes, concurrently dates, has slutty girlfriends, and talks about spending a couple years to travel the world: Skip the condom and enjoy some skin on skin action. Blast inside her, you renegade! Odds are she’s on the pill, and if not, no worries — she’s on a first name basis with her abortionist. Bonus creampie if she’s a lawyer. ”
STD’s anyone? You can’t skip condoms with these urban sluts.
As for lawyer women, are they really sluttier on average than other urban young women? I’m in law school and while they tend to have some trashy habits, they don’t necessarily sleep around; many have steady boyfriends.
Almost no lawyers will be under 25. 25 is the age of the youngest law graduates.
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The excessive paranoia. Chlorox too?! My GOD! You do believe that they’d pay for it, don’t you? You do. Maybe your buddy over there who’s just come over to share the love and ‘show you the good porn stuff’ has ulterior financial motives.
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Sarah and Todd Palin are pretty good examples. Todd Palin would regularly share the household chores, both worked. Todd Palin would have intense on/off stuff, so when he was off he’d take over the household duties, sometimes he’d take off so Sarah could focus on her Gubernatorial duties after pregnancy etc.
That’s just part of marriage — mutual compromise. It’s never everyone’s way, and a EQUAL partnership. That doesn’t mean men and women acting the same, or other nonsense.
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el chief–
Yeaah, do assume the worst.
But…. It feels SO much better to bust in her.
Answer? Vasectomy. Valved when available. And freeze some sperm, in case you change your mind.
But guess what. If you get a best methods non valved vasectomy they’re reversible more than 50% of the time, and that’s with older guys. Tell the doc to do everything he possibly can to make if reversible. Yeah you’ll need a few more bucks for this.
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To add to what dougjnn is saying, the idea that being a “stay at home mom” is really hard is especially prevalent in the evangelical subculture. Evangelicals think it’s best for the kids if the mother stays home, but they think the only way they can pitch this idea to the modern, liberated, feminist world which glorifies female careerism is to make motherhood sound like a demanding, high-powered career itself. Focus on the Family and such groups have been putting out this idea for years. It’s now an unquestioned maxim in the evangelical world that being a housewife is not only as hard, but HARDER, than having a full-time job.
Which means, among other things, that evangelical wives expect their husbands, along with the rest of society, to kiss their butts over how hard they’re working and how much they’re sacrificing when they could have a nice, comfortable, office job instead. Seriously, if you read some conservative Christian message boards, you will find posts from women claiming that they chase screaming children around ALL DAY and literally do not have time to go to the bathroom (seriously, I saw one woman claim this.)
My mom stayed home as well, and to this day makes no bones about having preferred that over working. She kept the house spic and span and had dinner on the table every night, and still had time to go to aerobics classes at the YMCA or sit around and read a novel while my dad was getting sheetrock dust in his eyes, cutting himself on jagged ductwork, hitting his thumb with a hammer, etc. Not that I begrudge her that, I just wish people would be honest. No way that NOT supporting the family is harder than supporting it.
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Roissy wrote:
I realize this is satire but just in case anyone is taking this seriously two condoms are actually more likely to break than just one.
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OMW–
You’re projecting your female psychology onto males, which is what women very often do. Men may love risk taking, well alpha men do, but not about pregnancy with gotcha consequences. I guess there’s gonna be some man who does, but really that’s not much out there.
However, there’s definitely an alpha male thrill to impregnating someone else’s wife, who will have to foot the bill. Is this fair? Hell no. But there’s living within the system that leftists in general and feminists in particular have wrought. Well, he’ll have to if he stays with her for more than a year or two after. If he leaves immediately, likely trouble. Much less so if he knew the score ahead of time.
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whiskey said:
Traditional evangelical women tend to be a lot like Sarah Palin. They don’t ban TV, they don’t withdraw from the world, they don’t act like 3rd Century Religious Zealots.
They DO put a lot of stress on family, having kids, family time, church attendance and community devotion, moral uprightness, not fooling around, little toleration for those who do, and like most traditional women rule the roost when it comes to most of the important decisions, and leave their husbands to their own hobbies or what not without intruding or being anything other than supportive.
They don’t drag their husbands around shoe-shopping for Manolo Blahniks, but DO require them to be at school plays, dances, etc. and make dinner and share chores and pull their fare share of the household load. As in most traditional families, they are not shy about expressing themselves and it’s generally their way. Moreover, as noted husbands are expected to remain “romantic” with their wives and actively court them throughout their marriage.
These marriages on average tend to produce intensely bonded emotional ties, what described most of America up through say the 1980’s.
In the 1980s the Boomers were barely hitting 40… just barely getting in leadership positions. Thus, they had little to no control over what happened in the 1980s.
Let’s try to avoid some deeply delusional craziness as to the value of a good-folks does-as-he-is-told selfish jackass and his ego-manical wife. The ‘Greatest Generation’ has alot to answer for.
They were IN CHARGE, that is in their 40s,50s, 60s when all the destructo policies were made. That makes the ‘Greatest Generation’ THE MOST RESPONSIBLE. I know it’s fashionable, (‘democractic’ that is) to blame the awesome power of the 20 year old just-getting-started in shaping public policy. I find it more honest to blame those who were actually in charge.
They were the ones in charge when the divorce laws were changed. Or did you think their 20-30 year old children were in charge in the 1970s? Cause you know, every country in the earth is run by 20-30 year olds.
They allowed ‘free-trade’ to destroy our industry.
They ignored the coming oil crisis. In fact, the “Greatest Generation” probably consumed more oil, per capita, than any generation before or after, in the history of the world.
Then they wrote in Reader’s Digest some happy lies about how we’ll start having oil trouble in 2030. I know they don’t remember it, because it isn’t usefull for them to. I don’t care.
Things are worse, but those ‘traditional family folk’ worked HARD, HARD, HARD every day of their life to get here.
It’s important to remember things were very seriously wrong before they totally exploded.
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My comments in my last post begin at:
In the 1980s the Boomers were barely hitting 40… just barely getting in leadership positions. Thus, they had little to no control over what happened in the 1980s.
Must not have closed the italics.
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I think it’s important that people realize things have been going wrong for quite a while… so I’m re-posting this in a fixed version:
whiskey said:
Traditional evangelical women tend to be a lot like Sarah Palin. They don’t ban TV, they don’t withdraw from the world, they don’t act like 3rd Century Religious Zealots.
They DO put a lot of stress on family, having kids, family time, church attendance and community devotion, moral uprightness, not fooling around, little toleration for those who do, and like most traditional women rule the roost when it comes to most of the important decisions, and leave their husbands to their own hobbies or what not without intruding or being anything other than supportive.
They don’t drag their husbands around shoe-shopping for Manolo Blahniks, but DO require them to be at school plays, dances, etc. and make dinner and share chores and pull their fare share of the household load. As in most traditional families, they are not shy about expressing themselves and it’s generally their way. Moreover, as noted husbands are expected to remain “romantic” with their wives and actively court them throughout their marriage.
These marriages on average tend to produce intensely bonded emotional ties, what described most of America up through say the 1980’s.
Traditional marriage isn’t some magic fix for all problems…. it just stops things from going totally bad. The lack of it does make things 10x worse, but an excellent question is why those who enjoyed traditional marriages decided it would be okay to destoy their childrens chance at a traditional marriage? The children didn’t know what was going on… but shouldn’t thier parents have?
In the 1980s the Boomers were barely hitting 40… just barely getting in leadership positions. Thus, they had little to no control over what happened in the 1980s.
Needless to say, during the 1960s and 1970s the Boomers had very little leadership postions ANYWHERE.
Let’s try to avoid some deeply delusional craziness as to the value of a good-folks does-as-he-is-told selfish jackass and his ego-manical wife. The ‘Greatest Generation’ has alot to answer for.
They were IN CHARGE, that is in their 40s,50s, 60s when all the destructo policies were made. That makes the ‘Greatest Generation’ THE MOST RESPONSIBLE. I know it’s fashionable, (’democractic’ that is) to blame the awesome power of the 20 year old just-getting-started in shaping public policy. I find it more honest to blame those who were actually in charge.
They were the ones in charge when the divorce laws were changed. Or did you think their 20-30 year old children were in charge in the 1970s? Cause you know, every country in the earth is run by 20-30 year olds. I feel the nonsense about 20-30 years olds having been responsible for the law changes that caused their marriages to self-destruct a bizzarre belief indeed.
The ‘Greatest Generation’ allowed ‘free-trade’ to destroy our industry.
The ‘Greatest Generation’ ignored the coming oil crisis. In fact, the “Greatest Generation” probably consumed more oil, per capita, than any generation before or after, in the history of the world.
Then they wrote in Reader’s Digest some happy lies about how we’ll start having oil trouble in 2030. I know they don’t remember it, because it isn’t usefull for them to. I don’t care.
Things are worse, but those ‘traditional family folk’ worked HARD, HARD, HARD every day of their life to get here.
It’s important to remember that traditional family system is NECESSARY.. on a personal and societal basis….. but NOT SUFFICIENT.
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alphas are sexually attractive, that is all that most game in the field conclusively shows. Confusing that with love is like how betas confuse love with sexual attraction: not the same.
Bhetti, can you explain this a bit more in depth? I’m under the general understanding that if you can’t find somebody sexually attractive, you’re incapable of loving them in a romantic sense. You can love them as a friend, but it’s impossible for them to love you as a significant other.
he’s the arcrylic nails, heavy make up and stiletto heels type DA seems to worship; ironically no sexuality about her
How ironic. I’ve always viewed those women as more sexual compared to women with out those things because for some reason, they (may falsely) imply that women are trying to stand out more and stand out more by using items with sexuality. Mind you, since I have a fetish, I may view stiletto heels or acrylic nails as sexual.
seriously, turn muslim and go repressed woman hunting in the Gulf. Just have the money and the plane ticket awayfromcrazyfamily ready
I’m already paranoid about being black. I don’t need to add paranoia about being Muslim. Plus, Catholicism is a deep part of my identity, and it’s a faith that I identify with, and I am not giving up my faith and identity to court women. Yeah, I’ve seen some pretty Lebanese girls, a few other pretty Arab girls, but no, it’s unlikely, and I don’t need their brothers chasing after me because I turned their sister into a “whore”. Then it’s highly unlikely that my family would like her too.
So, you’ll have to come up with a really good reason for me to deal with a repressed woman from a questionable low to medium IQ part of the world.
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Men may love risk taking, well alpha men do, but not about pregnancy with gotcha consequences.
Google up Impregnorium and read the forms and erotic stories.
Ooops pregnancies are common among younger chicks trying to rope a boyfriend into becoming a husband.
Even though I’m a low ranking male, even the lowly beta has cause to fear such a situation in a long-term relationship, especially if you’re beta using “provider game” to attract attractive, yet lower class and somewhat aspirational women. If you’re her ticket out of the trailer park, ghetto, or barrio or her little kid calls you daddy, you’re a target.
They don’t drag their husbands around shoe-shopping for Manolo Blahniks, but DO require them to be at school plays, dances, etc. and make dinner and share chores and pull their fare share of the household load
The funny part is that such a marriage sounds rather sensible and doesn’t reek of the notions of the patriarchy. The downside is that it requires doing stuff that you’d never do when you were single.
What’s notable about the women Roissy links to is that they are supremely uninterested in the messy compromises of marriage and family. They want it “their way” all the time, without the bother and hassle of being married and giving up total independence and freedom, and compromising on men.
Well, that’s the issue at hand. Everybody wants it their way all the time. Women want kids without having to deal with the mess of dealing with a beta male. Men want to bang lots of women without the need for pointless courtship and relationships. Once you’ve seen the world of the elite alphas where sex is free-flowing and easy with the best partners, you tend to want that world for yourself as well, and the old ways aren’t as attractive or alluring anymore.
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I’m impressed by the hyper extension of her left arm. Females routinely have it to a greater degree than men but she seems extreme. The possibilities if there is a translattion her hip joints might make for interesting recreation.
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DA: I’m going to be honest and say no clue about the romantic love or whether it needs intense sexuality to maintain it; pretty sure when it happens that the love itself breeds the sexual attractiveness rather than the other way around (*). Game has only conclusively proved its worth in the field of sexual attraction, not romantic love. It may help, depending on what your definition of romantic love is.
(*) I have no other way of explaining this one non-religious married couple where a man much fitter than his unfit (i.e.probably obese) wife is still sharing loveydovey kisses secretly with her after a marriage of nigh on twenty years.
Don’t take my Arabic girls suggestion seriously. I’m probably one of the more reasonable ones, which should tell you all you need to know. Hyperbolically: RUN AWAY.
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The heels and so on are a cultural thing where the feminine must be emphasised, exaggerated and maintained as much as possible. The implication is a masculine woman or an unmarried woman is one with little value; it’s worse if she’s not making the effort and not conforming to her Arabic peers i.e. it is ‘self-inflicted’. This motivation goes so deep into the attitudes that it just becomes the norm; I don’t think my mother even actually understands why she must constantly harangue me about my inability to beautifully apply eyeliner.
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Sounds like the norm to me. Not a whit of difference from a marriage to your typical career woman. Sure, the religious ones say they believe in fidelity, but all of them say that, and “Christians” cheat as much as anyone.
In real, old-school Christianity (which your typical “Christian” woman is totally ignorant about), it is the wife’s duty to obey her husband. “Requiring” a husband to cook, chaperone dances, shop, do laundry, etc., is not the definition of obedience.
Ephesians 5:22: “Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord.
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For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body.
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As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything.”
Yes, everything. It’s in the Bible. Look it up if you don’t believe me “Christian” women.
When you’re a single man, it’s much, much easier to pull your “fair share” than when you’re married. This is because women are demanding and profligate spenders.
As a man, the best you can hope for is to have your own sacred space. A sanctuary of sorts is necessary. I’m starting to think that this is how government began — men just couldn’t handle being around the women who were always bothering them, so they met up together in some place without the women and made decisions even as they enjoyed time away from the domestic hell. They called their decisions “The Law,” and for a time it was good.
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on that note:
I’ve wasted so much time on this site today.
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Gunslinger, my photo is my Gravatar, and I don’t feel like changing it just to post here. Also, I think it helps for people to see who they’re talking to.
As I’ve said to someone else, I’ve been on the internet since there was an internet to be on. Back in those days, people used the net to enhance their real lives, not to replace them.
So online, I live as “on the face” as offline. I don’t afford myself the option of making up an online persona that is un-me. Thin line between un-me and anti-me, if you ask me. 😉
I did, for a time though, use my fatter pics, basically to gauge the reaction. It’s a good sheep detector when you go to a new place.
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Welmer, the marriage thing was a contract. The man had to be responsible, and the woman had to be obedient. If the man didn’t hold up his end, the woman couldn’t hold up hers, and Jesus said as much in Matthew 19.
That is probably the most fundie-inconvenient chapter in the NT. LOL!
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Y’all might enjoy a posting and commentsthread over at my blog. Game: what does it mean? Roissy: demented prick or harbinger of great things?
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a few points
1. i don’t think roissy’s opinions on vasectomies have anything to do with “retaining the power of masculine potency” or similar. rather, i think he is taking the position that he shouldn’t have to pay to have somebody mess with his shit so as to not worry about the “predaor sluts” of the world- that shouldn’t be a man’s burden.
i think roissy more than anybody should understand the difference between what should be a what can be; don’t take the risk!
2. people here are imagining religious girls as though they adhered to, rather than aspire to their value sets. infidelity being grounds for divorce or whatever is nonsense; to most of those types the sense of community is stronger than the sense of obligation to doctrine, hence the shame would be great and an ostensibly repentant husband a nice option. it’s often implicitly understood amongst women of such a community that husbands will have mistresses.
3. the elephant in the room:
it is my sincere wish that during… say a home invasion, the criminals would take care to not kick any predator- slut-occupants hard in the stomach.
4. this bullshit about the kid comes first is… oh i already said it. there is no such thing as altruism or selflessness… only selfishness- ask a monk in an orange robe: that’s the whole reason we have a self!
there are 3 (overlapping) factors at play during any expression of altruism: status, power and control.
STATUS: in the pretentious modern western world that fancies itself the most enlightened, civilised aggregation of hominids ever, being seen doing certain arbitrarily selected and nonetheless revered activities will ensure that one is held in high esteem. nobody would be putting the kids first if there were nobody telling them “wow, you’re doing the noble thing”. example: caring about a cause. see bono.
POWER: it can be thrilling to see what one can add to the lives of others as though one had value and success to spare. example: direct-ish charity, such as xmas gifts for the poor or sponsoring a child- something with either visibility or an in-built audience. see rich white guys concerned with “legacy” a la bill and melinda gates foundation. overlaps with status.
CONTROL: hard to identify, this revolves around the premise that a man who feeds the world will surely never hunger. unlike the preceeding two types of “selflessness” which are expected exhibitions of standard human behaviour, this indicates a mind delusional at best and broken at worst. example: charity funds with very specialised (often medical) concerns and related endeavours. see jenny mccarthy.
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That dramatically depends on the fertility of the individuals concerned and, of course, on the timing of the woman’s menstrual cycle. If you’re looking for average numbers, this study has tons of interesting information:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/333/23/1517
Unfortunately, you’ll need subscription to NEJM to access the full paper, but even the abstract lists some interesting numbers.
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Actually, it seems like the full article is available even without subscription:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/333/23/1517
Figure 2 presents the most interesting data.
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to most of those types the sense of community is stronger than the sense of obligation to doctrine
This is doubtless true to some extent in a lot of religious communities. However, in Evangelical Protestantism a lot of emphasis is placed on a person really believing the doctrines and living out the moral teachings; your faith has to be personal or it is nothing. While no one will go up and tell you to leave if you are not going to live up to the Church’s standards, it is implied that are not a real member of the community unless you live it. You are effectively considered outside the group. It isn’t like Catholicism or even Islam where simply being on the right team is often considered good enough. There is a reason why people talk about bad Catholics but not bad Protestants. Bad Protestants aren’t considered Christians at all.
To summarize, a devout Catholic or Muslim wife is probably more willing to overlook adultery than a devout Evangelical.
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true that, the protestant/ catholic distinction is a useful one… see protestant koreans vs. catholic italians, i guess.
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Not so. Matthew 19 simply confirms that marriage is an inviolable covenant, but if a woman turns out to be an unrepentant whore the marriage was never valid in the first place.
Both parties are expected to hold up their end. The woman’s duties to be an obedient wife do not in any way hinge upon any responsibilities taken on by the husband — it is only after a blatant sexual transgression that a marriage can be nullified, and until this is ascertained by the Christian community any messing around on the part of the spouse is adultery, plain and simple. Yours is a post-Christian feminist interpretation of a very clear scriptural mandate for wives to be faithful and obedient to their husbands. Keep in mind that in Palestine, divorce was only practicable by men at the time. This was not the case in Greece or Rome, hence Paul’s concessions to gentile men who found themselves in roughly the same situation American men currently must endure.
Since Christianity is, for all intents and purposes, dead as a doornail, this argument is purely academic. However, any woman who calls herself a Christian is a rank hypocrite when she starts making excuses for adultery, etc. There is nothing in Christianity that allows “exceptions” for wives to cheat on or divorce their husbands because they suddenly felt that the guy wasn’t living up to his “responsibility” (whatever the hell that means may vary widely according to the time of the month by standard female calculus).
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Wonder what percentage of the male population actually has sperm frozen? I’m betting a tiny one. It’s one of those things that dudes talk about for effect, but hardly ever actually do.
Incidentally, if you’re thinking along these lines, get it frozen while you’re still in your 20s. An older guy’s seed is less likely to be viable after undergoing this process than a younger guy’s (the wigglers of an older guy don’t retain their motility as well after being frozen and thawed out).
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Apropos of cougars, lately I’ve noticed a lot of chunky 30-something women walking their doggies around the leafy suburban hood where I live. Most of ’em look like if they lost 50lbs or so, they might have a chance to have a man instead of a doggy. Oh well!
When he sees a woman in her 30s, my toddler sometimes pipes up with “It’s an old lady, daddy!” It’s quite hilarious when they hear him and their eyes go wide with shock, and they start looking around (“Who, me? He can’t be talking about me… noooooooooo, he is talking about me!”).
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whiskey
Traditional evangelical women tend to be a lot like Sarah Palin. They don’t ban TV, they don’t withdraw from the world, they don’t act like 3rd Century Religious Zealots.
They DO put a lot of stress on family, having kids, family time, church attendance and community devotion, moral uprightness, not fooling around, little toleration for those who do, and like most traditional women rule the roost when it comes to most of the important decisions, and leave their husbands to their own hobbies or what not without intruding or being anything other than supportive.
They don’t drag their husbands around shoe-shopping for Manolo Blahniks, but DO require them to be at school plays, dances, etc. and make dinner and share chores and pull their fare share of the household load. As in most traditional families, they are not shy about expressing themselves and it’s generally their way. Moreover, as noted husbands are expected to remain “romantic” with their wives and actively court them throughout their marriage.
These marriages on average tend to produce intensely bonded emotional ties, what described most of America up through say the 1980’s.
What’s notable about the women Roissy links to is that they are supremely uninterested in the messy compromises of marriage and family. They want it “their way” all the time, without the bother and hassle of being married and giving up total independence and freedom, and compromising on men. They are still holding out for sex with Alphas and kids on their own terms. The author even notes the “harem” of one particular rock star. Truer words never spoken.
So the typical evangelical marriage leads to a son vandalizing a schoolbus, a daughter who gets pregnant by the town douchebag, and both of them may use drugs, right? Also, does the typical evangelical marriage lead to the wife possibly having an affair with a business associate of the husband? Are you completely lost on the irony of what you say? It seems like you are romanticizing the Palins like the way the Indians, Arabs, Polynesians, etc., you know, the “noble savages” of old.
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it’s brutal and beautiful like those postmodern installation art pieces that are essentially a pile of junk metal.
it’s wonderful when people are forced to confront the fact that, contrary to what europe and barney the dinosaur tell them, people are not entitled to dignity and respect.
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so….i trust you guys…..
if you got in a fight because some guy called your girlfriend a cunt at a house party….what would you do?
before you answer…i was in a fight last year because a guy kept making comments about my girl’s tits for 3 hours…i finally punched him in the parking lot…
a couple months after that, a guy drunkedly commented about my gir’s ass as he left the bar…we got in a fight…
3 weeks ago i punched my dad because he mouthed off to my girlfriend…
in my head i was justified because they disrespected her and me, but i realize that 4 incidents including one with my father makes me seem like either a hot head or someone with a girlfriend who attracts negative energy….she isnt’ a shit talker, but has a flamboyant personality…
give me some feedback
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“Sperm comes from the same source of T. It is to important to risk”
There’s fair evidence that a vasectomy will cause an autoimmune response which destroys your testicles. There’s also some huge fraction of people who experience pain in their testicles for the rest of their lives. Fuck no.
I’ve never even had a mild scare, mostly by following a set of rules very similar indeed to what Roissy touts above. I’d add a few things to this. If they’re on the pill, make them take it in front of you. I always do. Sure, they might “forget” some day, but if I watch them take what is effectively a morning after pill in 2/3 of the cases, this is a win. It also lets them know how seriously I take such things. No need to think about how greek alphabet this is. it’s like making them eat their vegetables.
One thing that should not be underestimated is the judicial application of blood curdling terror. While I wouldn’t really care if some douche has my bastards and never talks to me again; if one came after me and tried to get me involved with her mistake financially or in any other way, I’d make sure she wouldn’t be able to, and I make sure she knows this, and remind her early and often. Lots of women get away with having an “oops” -I think this is because men are pussies who put up with it, or are even flattered by it. I value my freedom very highly; enough I’d die or go into permanent exile to protect it, and I make sure this is well known. I figure they do this sort of thing because they picture white picket fence futures; destroy that image, and the danger fades into insignificance.
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Chuck; your girlfriend is a cunt, and an evil one at that. I’ve gotten into fights over nothing, but I’ve never really felt a need to defend a lady’s honor. I mean, I might cockpunch someone for calling my old lady a slag one day, but 4 times for the same chick? She’s a cunt. You can punch me in the head if that pisses you off, but really, you should punch her in the head.
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Doesn’t work. I had one GF hide it under her tongue then spit it out later.
It was three months before I learned of her pregnancy. Abortifactants were insisted on, as the psycho was drinking heavily the whole trimester.
I’m better at noticing pregnancy now, and can spot a pregnancy by the enlargening of the breasts, which occurs during the first missed period.
I had one GF who liked to get pregnant, just to make her tits bigger. She said it also made her feel good. Then she’d take some abortifactants later in the month, and no more worries.
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By the way, the girl who hid it under her tongue was 21. Other girls who got pregnant were 24, 19, 24, and 26. Oh, and 25. Of those on two were working hard to have and keep a kid. But as Chuck said, you’ve got to make the point firmly that you are prepared to do whatever it takes to keep your freedom, in order to not be enslaved.
For me, it’s as easy an airplane ticket. I’m self employed and can work anywhere on the planet, and can find a woman anywhere on the planet.
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Oh, and of course my ex wife, who got pregnant at age 36, and who taught me the hard way to that being a man means appearing to be cold, ruthless, and heartless, and it means making your own decisions in life. And she can figure out her business.
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Oh, and of course my ex wife, who got pregnant at age 36 to my 24, and who taught me the hard way to that being a man means appearing to be cold, ruthless, and heartless, and it means making your own decisions in life. And she can figure out her business.
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Oh, and of course my ex wife, who got pregnant at age 36 to my 24, and who taught me the hard way to that being a man means sometimes appearing to be cold, ruthless, and heartless, and it means making your own decisions in life. And she can figure out her business.
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“How did three headcovering women wind up talking to a DC pickup artist????”
Does this mean as a woman who doesn’t cover up I can’t join in?
/jk
Seriously, though, it’s women like the one who wrote the article that make life difficult for those of us who aren’t like that.
As far as I’m concerned, when you’re young and stupid you might have an “accident”, but even then it’s a slim chance courtesy of all the sex education that’s out there.
Older women have no excuse whatsoever.
They paint single motherhood in glowing terms and get their idiocy plastered all across the media.
Ditto for a few years down the track when their kids go off the rails and they start wailing about how hard it all is, and if only they had a man to help them.
Sorry, sister, you chose your path.
Unfortunately for all of us, this woman is not a rarity. Once upon a time this behaviour would have been scorned and the woman shamed; not any more.
The shaming mechanism has been dismantled, and the entitlement mentality rules far too many.
After all, a woman has a right to a child, don’t you know!
I’ll insert the /sarc tags here because far too many women forget that children have a right to both their parents, and men have a right to their children.
With the abundance of welfare money and other supports, Western women tend to forget those small things.
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Roissy is right ! , take precautions, fck having to follow some bitch you now hate to see if she is pregnant.
Thats all to much effort, it takes time to fake an accident….
just use precaution… or dont bang old chicks
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lupo is right.
if she had an “accident” then she should probably get her shit together lest she have a real accident
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3 weeks ago i punched my dad because he mouthed off to my girlfriend…
You’re supposed to pimp slap the ho in front of her dad, not punch your dad in front of the ho, and least of all, because of the ho.
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“Figure 2 presents the most interesting data.”
Vladimir is the commenter of the month.
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Gunslinger, my photo is my Gravatar, and I don’t feel like changing it just to post here. Also, I think it helps for people to see who they’re talking to.
As I’ve said to someone else, I’ve been on the internet since there was an internet to be on. Back in those days, people used the net to enhance their real lives, not to replace them.
So online, I live as “on the face” as offline. I don’t afford myself the option of making up an online persona that is un-me. Thin line between un-me and anti-me, if you ask me. 😉
I did, for a time though, use my fatter pics, basically to gauge the reaction. It’s a good sheep detector when you go to a new place.
You are a swampdonkey.
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“i was in a fight last year …”
you got involved in 4 fights in less than 15 months??????
A friend of mine since childhood did the same thing. He left a job and was searching for the next one, and was really stressed. So he got involved in several fights, 3 or 4, in a very short period. After the third, our mutual friends in the city where he lived (but I didn’t) started to boycott him. Nobody called him anymore. And every fight had a different cause.
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Now that you put it that way, it does seem the woman is the puppet master in this scenario.
And I find it odd that she’d be a magnet for leering comments. Must be putting off some sort of a vibe.
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By the way, if “coming magnum opus” means book deal, congrats to Roissy for it. I’m surprised he hasn’t been the object of a bidding war by magazine editors myself. “Roissy: The Monthly Column.”
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RagTag, I’ll take being a swamp donkey over being the most beautiful sheep in the herd.
Go jerk off to 20 year old has been prunes or something.
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…and Welmer, you’re not supposed to obey your husband if he asks you to sin. In the same chapter where he says divorce and remarriage is adultery, and divorce forces a woman into adultery, he says someone who leaves their family for his sake will be rewarded.
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Vladimir
Thanks. It looks like about 33 percent.
So guys, the lesson is be careful. Be very careful.
If you want to take Mr. Sausage skinny-dipping, be prepared to catch a cold.
If Ms Cougar gives you a blowjob, makes sure she spits it all back into a tissue that you provide. Then have her gargle with Clorox.
The Bible warns you not to spill your (alpha) seed on barren ground; the above warns you not to spill it on fertile ground.
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I’ve noticed a lot of chunky 30-something women walking their doggies around the leafy suburban hood where I live. Most of ‘em look like if they lost 50lbs or so, they might have a chance to have a man instead of a doggy.
I’m continually astounded by the number of fat women I see who refuse to burn a single extra calorie to improve their looks (and their fucking health, for that matter). Rather than face the objective fact that no man has touched them in a sexual way in at least five years, they just surround themselves with other middle-aged female fatties and tell each other how good they all look.
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Goldoildrugz says, “it’s wonderful when people are forced to confront the fact that, contrary to what europe and barney the dinosaur tell them, people are not entitled to dignity and respect.”
People may not be entitled to it, but it’s a good thing to demand it anyway. If you don’t, other people will step on you with impunity.
Chuck, others have been kind of brutally vague about this, but I’m going to be specific. Flamboyant personalities should only come with the combat skills to back it up. A female who can’t defend herself needs to butch up or learn to stay out of trouble.
If someone I don’t know is commenting on my (rather impressive tits) then I handle that myself. No man needs to step in for me. I can handle myself, and give as good as I get, verbally. Usually it ends up with them walking away or laughing. Either way, physical confrontations don’t happen over stupid comments. Nobody needs to defend my honor against being called a cunt or a whore because I can just as easily call them a fag who picks on girls or a pervert (with some embellishment).
I don’t conduct myself in a way that invites that anyway, but sometimes people are drunk or high, or whatever.
The chick I posted about awhile ago, Dana…very hot, but also very strong and very stable. Hot as she is, almost nobody gets creepily forward with her without getting a hostile answer *from her*. No guys need to step in to “defend her honor”.
You see where I’m going with this? A woman who *has* honor doesn’t need so much *defending* because nothing someone else says is going to shake her actual honor.
Physical confrontations, the few times they do happen, will be due to physical impositions or threats…not from a freakin’ argument. Things are usually diffused or dealt with long before they become physical. We don’t run around looking or behaving like easy targets.
I have another friend though, an American girl, who often lets things get to the point of physical impositions. Once and only once, I defended her from a guy who was basically trying to dry hump her nonconsensually in the club…and I let her know how very unhappy I was about having to do that. I told her that the next time, she’s on her own.
Fortunately, that incident scared her enough that there probably won’t be a next time. Since then, when we go out, I notice that if someone starts pushing up on her too much, she’ll evade them instead of letting things escalate.
…but it was a long time before I went anywhere with her again, and I still don’t go anywhere with her in a context in which I have to stick with her. Other of our friends have done the same.
If you want to keep dating her, that’s your business, but you should talk to her about this. Don’t be afraid of her thinking you’re being controlling or something. You could even use it as a kind of a neg, and compare her to other women who handle themselves well. I don’t know her so I don’t know how exactly you should approach the subject with her, but you should tell her that she needs to get her ass in gear because the next time she gets herself into trouble, she’s on her own. Even if you do step in once things get too physical, let it progress long enough that she gets a good taste of the “negativity” she’s attracting.
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Wounded, if no man wanted to touch them sexually in *one* year, they’d lose the weight.
The thing is, men pretty much take what they can get. 30-something fat women put out to guys who aren’t very alpha, edgy, or cute. Young, skinny 20-something girls, especially “the rules” crowd, don’t.
One should also remember that a good proportion of women don’t like sex anyway. In their 30’s, they’re no longer socially obligated to pretend that they do.
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Thursday:
I overheard a conversation recently between two muslim Arabic women.
Friend A: “I called the number. It was apparently a Moroccan ex of his who was upset with him; she directed me to the appartment he uses.”
My aunt: “Take his credit cards. Max them out. Buy yourself pretty things: new shoes, gold.”
Friend A: “They’re already maxed out, that’s the problem.”
Yeah, be careful with that!
xsplat:
Abusing your body with repeated abortions seems sick to me. There can’t be no ill effects from doing that.
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omv, why the hostility?
“I mean, lurker, for serious. Have you MET a real hardcore evangelical clan? ”
–yes, actually. Lived a few houses down from them growing up, was friends with the family, and then spent a year in the Bible belt and met more than a few hardcore Christian type evangelical.
And no, they would stay with the husband, even if he did cheat. The local guy/head of family was getting some strange, but his pastor came over and there was a big to do. Fighting divorce is a BIG deal among evangelicals, for 2 reasons: 1) they see modern divorce laws as an attempt to separate husband and wife by feminists; and 2) the terrible divorce rates in this country give them a moral crusade.
And yes, religious folks do appreciate being “put on the cross.” Matryism for a cause is a sign of a strong religious hold.
Plus I was making the point about all religious women, not just evangelical Christians. Here in nyc, orthodox Jews abound, and they heavily rely on shaming to enforce behaviorial codes, including controlling wayward spouses. And where I grew up, people were mostly Catholic, and the strictest women wouldn’t leave their husbands despite beatings and infidelity (which, as Roissy pointed out, may have made the marriages stronger).
And where I was in the Bible belt there was a lot of black churches, who (I was told) had men come up to the altar and confess their sins publically and ask to be forgiven; the biggest and most common sin was cheating. Of course, it was also wrapped up in “white women” as temptresses, but these stories emphasized that women were to forgive him for straying and re-engage the marriage, and that men were prone to this more than women.
I could last with a religious woman if she were my given religion, sure. But first I’d have to be done playing around.
What’s more, as I mentioned earlier, Roissy has given the correct state of things: women love men whom other women love, even if they are religious women. Nothing turns a woman on more than the chance to reform a bad boy. A wife whose husband is cheating on her still has the “well, he’s still hot, I can fix him” mentality. Hence why beta husbands get divorced; after training them, there’s no more challenge for the woman.
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Abusing your body with repeated abortions seems sick to me. There can’t be no ill effects from doing that.
I seem to recall reading that back in the Soviet days, birth control was not reliable / readily available in the USSR, and thus Soviet women got lots of abortions, and this led to higher infertility.
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Just want to report that last night (ST. Patrick’s Day) I was rolling in it.
I didn’t feel like going out when I got off work, so planned on going home and hitting the hay early. But I woke up around 11pm and couldn’t fall back, so I headed out.
Man, even at midnight, and most chicks well past wasted, and a work day tomorrow, it was like I was meat to a hungry dog. I had two chicks buying me that disgusting green beer they make, and I was being grabbed for “St. Patrick’s day pictures” by random skanks. A couple of makeouts and phone numbers later and I was ready for bed. ‘Course that was when I couldn’t escape the fattie, but at least I got some free drinks off her, too.
I love alcohol.
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One should also remember that a good proportion of women don’t like sex anyway.
Even without caring about sex, these fat women are denying themselves teh pleasure of being fit, which surely exceeds the pleasures of gluttony and sloth.
I’ve never been fat but I smoked for ten years. And nicotine addiction may be analogous to being fat. Lemme tell ya: there is hardly a joy more sublime than lighting up a smoke at just the right time. One of the reasons I hadn’t quit for such a long.
But since quitting 5 years ago and gettig in shape, I don’t miss it so much because having more energy and a clean lungful of air is even better in a way than smoking. perhaps not as sublime, but better.
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Lurker, the thing to remember though, is that human beings all have limits. Crossing someone’s limits can have fatal or very painful consequences.
I wouldn’t mistreat someone, banking on their remaining martyrs forever. People snap…even people who seem mild and submissive.
If you have someone with such a strong moral code that they won’t leave you no matter how badly you treat them, take care that this person doesn’t view divorce so negatively that they would rather be a widow than a divorcee…or that nobody in their family views things that way.
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PA, if you’re talking about single fat women in suburbia, most of them don’t really need a man for anything, if they don’t need one for sex.
I can sympathize as far as the fitness goes, but not everyone wants to live forever…and not everyone sees a life of counting calories (which is what most people have been taught is necessary to be slim or a reasonable weight) as having a life. In their way, they’re enjoying their life, I suppose.
If someone isn’t enjoying their life, then they should change it, but I wouldn’t know that from looking at them, unless they were crying or something.
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You can’t make ass babies.
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joel–
Yuup.
Treat them with scorn. Single mothers in general should be. However the got there. Including not being able to keep their man, those feminist harridans and / or blown up whales.
Instead our media programmed society automatically assumes with something approaching certainty that it was all the bio dad’s fault. No. It’s the slut’s responsibility.
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At what point did I say you could consistently beat someone down?
I’m not banking on their remaining martyrs for further and further punishment.
I’m banking on them to allow quiet indiscretions in return for a good husband they can try to fix.
You people are freaking ridiculous. Relgious girls allow shit to go on without retaliation. If you want hell, marry a non-religious SWPL girl. Cheat on her? She’ll have a gangbang on your favorite sweatshirt, video tape it, send it to gawker, and then take you for every penny you have. And get high fives for being so feminist.
Yeah, warpig, makes a lot of sense: girl trained in thou shalt not kill will kill.
Stop getting your evangelical/religious views from Hollywood, who hate the religious.
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Simply change the law to abolish all state co-erced mandatory child support.
That and shame single mothers.
That would change American and Anglosphere society enormously.
Divorce rates would plummet. So would single motherhood.
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If someone isn’t enjoying their life, then they should change it, …
Changing ingrained habits is difficult, which is why they opt for self-delusion and psychiatric medication instead.
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Pope Goaz
You are mistaken. How do you think Lawyers are conceived?
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“I’ve heard horror stories of girls taking a dollop of the guy’s bellybutton load onto their fingers and inserting it into themselves while he was in the bathroom pissing”
– as men we are lazy and often underestimate the lengths to which desperation will drive a female. scary stuff, indeed.
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Betti
I’ve been responsible for two abortions. The first, and I hope last, for separate girls. The others used herbal abortifactants, which are readily available in Asia and extremely effective.
The psycho who got aborted in the third month used the old trick of not drinking for 24 hours, and then getting extremely drunk. The next day the baby falls out. Very sad, especially when the baby’s that big. She pulled the pregnancy trick twice. The second time she used some abortifactant pill.
Other girls just take “jamu”, or abortifactant herbs. And they aren’t so psycho as to wait three months, but do so after one or max two weeks of being late, and getting a positive pregnancy test result.
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dougjnn
Yeah, fuck all those women whose husbands have died. Those bitches!
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The Palins aren’t a good example of a really patriarchal, traditional marriage, no, and the real old-school Christians did indeed have a problem with her being trotted out as some example of Ideal American Family Values.
They liked her good looks and pro-life belief system, but recognized, correctly I think, that she represented an endpoint on a full-scale descent into Feminist Christianity.
She occupies a precarious niche between two worlds; unsurprisingly, her kids seem to be choosing the secular-feminist model, not the patriarchal Christian model. No man can serve two masters.
If that makes me a 3rd century religious zealot, so be it. LOL.
Mainstream “evangelicals” are as hopeless as the mainstream Republican party right now.
And the reason it pisses me off to hear morons like lurker claim that it’s totally OK to beat a religious girl, to fuck around on her, ought to be obvious.
You want patriarchy? You want to end divorce and sluttery? Ha! You don’t even know what that would entail.
Let’s check: if a woman gets dumped because she’s fat, scorn her.
If she dumps her husband because he’s a philanderer, scorn her.
If she gets beat, she probably likes it, and if she doesn’t, there is something wrong with her.
Housewives are lazy whores; career women are hateful feminists.
Religious girls are cum-dumpsters who’ll take whatever you dish out, because what choice do they have? Secular girls, pretty much ditto.
God, I wonder why our soft-spoken grandmothers quietly turned out a generation of feminists.
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Oh, yeah, and let’s not forget the vexing problem of pregnancy and abortion.
If some skank gets pregnant and aborts the resulting kid, she’s a psycho slut with no worthwhile maternal instinct.
If she keeps the kid and sues for child support, she’s a gold-digger looking for a meal ticket.
If she keeps the kid and doesn’t tell you about it, she’s certainly some kind of feminist separatist who apparently thinks single motherhood is Just As Good as the “Leave it to Beaver” model.
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I’m going to disagree with the single mothers. Yes, it should not be automatically assumed it is the biological father’s fault. No, it’s not automatically her fault, either.
However: there are two arguments for this:
— most alphas refused to be tied down and
— willing betas are easy to find or willing, so she could get a beta without masses of effort. Is it better to beta, or to not at all? Betas aren’t that useful as parents in some ways, anyway, because they don’t stand up to their wife. They just provide extra financial support. The children don’t identify with them as a father figure, nor really as a mother figure. There’re exceptions: I’m thinking there’re different beta ‘grades’ even.
I’m saying better no beta (having seen the horribleness of unhappy marriages) but not to have kids either. Kids need a dad who the mother loves (i.e. a guy who is not being abused by his wife in any way), or is a traditional dude who can make his own decisions.
Of course, I support my toffeecake in everything: Brevity is the soul of wit, my love, and your sarcasm is just beautiful. I love you. Let me express this and show you the wonders of the world, let me just have your e-mail?
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Lurker says, “At what point did I say you could consistently beat someone down?”
There are more ways to beat a person down than with your fists. One of them is consistent philandering when you have a good woman at home.
Ask me how I know.
“I’m not banking on their remaining martyrs for further and further punishment.”
…but then you say…
“I’m banking on them to allow quiet indiscretions in return for a good husband they can try to fix.”
Been there, done that. Those “quiet indiscretions” turn into dissatisfaction with the boring maid and sex slave who asks how high when he says jump, even if she’s kinky.
Honest polygamy or monogamy. No “quiet indiscretions”. That was my line.
“You people are freaking ridiculous.”
…only to someone who’s never been married.
“Relgious girls allow shit to go on without retaliation.”
No, we don’t. It’s just that we trust God for vengeance.
Well, I personally trust nature for that, but this is nitpicking.
…but sometimes our faith fails, and we start packing or start shooting anyway.
“If you want hell, marry a non-religious SWPL girl. Cheat on her? She’ll have a gangbang on your favorite sweatshirt, video tape it, send it to gawker, and then take you for every penny you have. And get high fives for being so feminist.”
Whereas non SWPL girls have their dad and brothers have a sit-down with you, or have a feministic phase just long enough to get the hell away from you.
“Yeah, warpig, makes a lot of sense: girl trained in thou shalt not kill will kill.”
She’ll kill before she’ll cheat. She’s still human, even if she’s religious.
Murder at least retains some dignity…that she got some gutts and didn’t let you continue to screw her over.
Most likely she won’t kill you. She’ll just take half.
“Stop getting your evangelical/religious views from Hollywood, who hate the religious.”
I grew up in it, dolt.
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omw:
Amen. For a lot of the commenters here, whatever the woman does, she is wrong and the man is right. While often useful as a corrective to feminist ideology, which always blames the man, this is hardly justice.
Oh and a lot of commenters here want to have their cake and eat it too. They want social arrangements which allow them to sleep around as much as possible, yet which which also discourage girls from slutting it up so they can have a LTR with a nice girl in the end. Needless to say, these are incompatible.
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OMW, brace yourself. Next, the sun rising in the morning will be something to complain about, and women’s fault.
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omw: What I’ve been trying to say for ages is that feminism is a male-produced institution. I remember being in a patriarchy: having the contradicting ideals of what a female should be enforced on me (my mother: look beautiful and seductive, my father + religion: no sexuality to you at all, both: be educated and acheive, mother: get married and maybe forget about it, father: don’t get married) as well as visibly observing the double standards applied across genders. I concluded from these that men had no limits or expectations to their behaviour: they were assumed to be hedonistic, violent and sexual and could get away with it. At the same time, one little slip from a female is harshly condemned and punished from a cultural point of view.
Is it any surprise that a woman might wish she was a man, or might act like one in hope of gaining some sort of power or leniency? Is it any surprise that she would hate men due to their clearly morally “inferior” behaviour by the very religious ideals they shove down her throat or out of frank jealousy for the life they are allowed to lead?
You don’t want feminism? Don’t abuse the women once you’ve got “control” of them. That same right applies to anything: You don’t want a rebellion? Don’t abuse the people once you’ve got control of them. There are limits.
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Hey, you know what? I can take it. LOL.
Yes, Doug, lurker, Welmer, and other assorted mens-rights advocates, you can bypass your belated adolescent angst about Women-in-General, and direct it all straight my way.
In fact, I like the pixel abuse, as a good woman should.
It is my fault that Welmer’s wife got bored and left him, and it is also my fault that doug’s wife got fat and then had the temerity to leave HIM.
It is also entirely my fault that my mom filed for divorce, so, Dad, if you’re reading this, you can stop bitching to me about her, because it was all my fault anyway.
(I do refuse to accept responsibility for Roissy’s problems, mostly because he is too cool to have any.)
Anyone else have a problem? Line up!
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No, it’s not that surprising, Bhetti, and the situation you describe is sort of familiar.
Being raised patriarchally in a modern world is really like trying to forge some kind of reasonable synthesis of the two– there is so much room to fuck it up royally that it’s a wonder people don’t screw it up more often than they do.
My dad didn’t think I should get married or have kids, either, and it’s funny, because he was SO HOSTILE about career women when I was growing up.
“Women don’t really belong in my field; it’s like watching a pig dance.” Etc.
All of a sudden, I hit 18 and 19, and he’s like, “Get a good job and don’t get married till you’re at least 25. Maybe 30.”
What??!
Argh!
LOL.
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Thursday, I think people do sometimes go in the opposite extreme direction when they’re in recovery, but it’s a problem when they get stuck there. Eventually, realism has to kick in, and any personal policies they adopt for self defense, must be plausible.
One can’t have it both ways as a player. One also can’t have it both ways as an overly invested herdbeast. You either break out of the mainstream, or you stay limited to the options within it.
If you limit yourself, or are unable to break out, then that’s your fault or nature’s fault for not giving you the ability to carve out a niche of sanity in this screwed up world. The world has been messed up a good long time. That’s not going to change anytime soon.
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It’s my fault as a woman that my great destined love with cutiefist isn’t progressing.
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this dojo smells like
menses
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Now that I think about it, there probably is a rational difference between what men think their wives (and other men’s wives) should do, and what they think their daughters should do…
It is probably much easier to assume that YOU will be a standup guy and never abuse your power over your woman…
But much harder to assume that your putative son-in-law won’t fuck your daughter over, given half a chance.
There are several country songs about this phenomenon. haha.
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Firepower:
The woman have taken over. Nowhere is safe. You are outnumbered.
Anyway, female commenters = minority.
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Bhetti
“The woman have taken over. Nowhere is safe. You are outnumbered”
ok. now i’ve an excuse to feel blameless at the surrender talks when you all clone Robert Pattinson lol
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I had meant to say The psycho who got aborted in the third month used the old trick of not eatingfor 24 hours, and then getting extremely drunk. In case anyone ever needs that info.
I agree OMW that asking quite so much from a marriage also entails responsiblity, and respect. And attitudes of mysoginy are not mature – they are a bit peevish, if anything.
As for…
… what parts of that do you not agree with?
i don’t agree that abortion means the woman has no maternal instinct. And I’ve never dated anyone I consider a skank – even though i’ve on rare occasions been with girls with experience in the sex trade. The term is degrading to the user, and little more than an adjective connoting disgust. Why call someone a nigger when you can just call him black? Why call a woman a skank, when you can simply call her promiscuous? Sneering if for those so weak they require emotional manipulation of others in order to have social power.
And yes, if a woman keeps the kid, against the wishes of the man, and sues for child support, she is committing theft and extortion. That’s far worse than gold digging.
I personally don’t argue against single motherhood, although, as a father, I would consider it irresponsible to father a child and then be absent.
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Treat them with scorn. Single mothers in general should be. However the got there. Including not being able to keep their man, those feminist harridans and / or blown up whales.
Yeah, and those fucking WIDOWS! Selfish whores.
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If that’s all that happened I’d be a happy man right now. Fact is, I got bored with her, but tried to “do the right thing” for the kids’ sake. Man, what a mistake that was. I never actually wanted to get married in the first place, but again I thought it was the “right thing.”
Now I’m still shackled to the woman through a joint custody agreement despite the fact that I want nothing to do with her and her psychotic family. Hell, she even tries to spy on me to see if I’ve got other women around. Can you believe that?
BTW, I can see why you like this blog. Everything apparently revolves around you. Actually, I hardly noticed – much less blamed – you for anything before your little fantasy of self-importance here.
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Oh, well, then it is your lucky day, Welmer! For I accept responsibility for the fact of your ex-wife’s boring nature, as well.
Also, I apologize for making you marry this loathesome boring woman against your will.
I’m sorry she spies on you, and sorry you sired children by this dull cretin; for all this, I am at fault.
Worse still is that I caused your children to be, in all probability, very boring and dishonest people themselves, by virtue of forcing you to join your DNA with this hateful creature.
My nature as a woman requires narcissism, sir, and for that, I can only humbly beg your undeserved forgiveness.
Next!
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Xplat, much of a normal woman’s calculus on abortion depends on her perception of the “father.”
1) If he is obviously a loser, and she is still too young/attractive to put her marriage-market prospects at risk on account of motherhood, she will generally quietly abort.
2) If he is passable, she will often keep the baby and demand child support. (He’s not so bad she’ll murder his kid, but not so good that she values his possible affection over his likely cash support.)
3) If every time she thinks of him, she sings, “Have you ever seen a dream walking/Well I did!” she will keep the baby and never trouble him about it if he doesn’t want to be troubled.
Maybe she will write him a romantic letter.
“She don’t care what her mama says, no, she’s gonna have his baby!”
Consequences like poverty and serious devaluation on the marriage market notwithstanding, she’s literally putting all her eggs in this one little bassinette.
She’d better be right about this dude’s DNA.
But so few men can ever be THAT man, Game or no Game.
I don’t understand why this is hard for the “is, not ought” crowd to comprehend.
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oops, Welmer, you are correct, as usual.
I apologize for groundlessly insulting your children; for now I understand that your infinitely superior male DNA can obliterate the influence of even the most sallow cow’s, creating a beautiful, intelligent, and deeply moral race of super-children out of even the sagging belly of a she-whale.
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“Now that I think about it, there probably is a rational difference between what men think their wives (and other men’s wives) should do, and what they think their daughters should do…”
That’s an easy one, OMW. Men have a bit of a perspective change when they have children; especially girl children.
They know what they’re like, and don’t want their daughters to go anywhere near a man for that reason.
🙂 They’re correct in that reasoning, too, in a lot of cases.
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OMW are you bhetti or sara. The woman on here all proclaiming love for someone on this blog. It is so cute. Roissy attracting woman who are actually prone to being in marriages with more than one woman. Interesting. I think it would work great roissy would “service” you all then you could have each other to talk to. The beta guys who from the beginning do not really go after woman would be left alone by the media so they could just play video games all day or work a “career”. Let men who want woman get woman but no guys are pressured to get them.
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“1. Rum
Pope Goaz
You are mistaken. How do you think Lawyers are conceived?”
I love this blog because of the funny shit. It is like nyc sometimes you see a person going crazy but then there are the highlights.
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OMW, those seem like an understandable 3 categories, from a women’s perspective, regarding keeping a kid.
I imagine I’ve been all 3. But even with offers to never bother me again, i don’t condone and even discourage it. Have so far, at least. Maybe it’s my paternal instinct, and I haven’t seen a good enough nest to drop a kid into, and have no plans to make my own.
And of course from a mans perspective, we see the world in different categories.
1) Run before you find out if she is pregnant or not.
2) Wait until you know that she is pregnant before you run
3) Make sure she aborts, and keep dating her
4) Hire a nany, spend nights out late at work, and get a mistress or two, travel, and play domestic man part time.
5) Settle down.
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No, no, that’s the crazy thing. I like the broads over here. A mean and salty bunch, sort of like the smart-ass military girls I cut my teeth on.
I think I like my husband better than Roissy, though.
My husband smells really, really good.
Roissy just smells like electrons.
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“1. PA
One should also remember that a good proportion of women don’t like sex anyway.
Even without caring about sex, these fat women are denying themselves teh pleasure of being fit, which surely exceeds the pleasures of gluttony and sloth.
I’ve never been fat but I smoked for ten years. And nicotine addiction may be analogous to being fat. Lemme tell ya: there is hardly a joy more sublime than lighting up a smoke at just the right time. One of the reasons I hadn’t quit for such a long.
But since quitting 5 years ago and gettig in shape, I don’t miss it so much because having more energy and a clean lungful of air is even better in a way than smoking. perhaps not as sublime, but better.”
Dam man what now I got to get in shape and quite smoking too. I have been thinking of lifting again so when I go back to the woman I can toss her around like a rag doll.
PA
“One should also remember that a good proportion of women don’t like sex anyway. ”
Are you serious. Look at any womans magazine it has sex on the cover even if it is not about sex it has the actual word sex on the cover. Even if it is about fitness it has sex written on the cover.
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ay, I think it makes a lot more sense to talk about relative status when it comes to the business of mating and making families, rather than talking in broad gender-based sweeps.
Can be fun to fire for effect, but oversimplification is the bane of sensible thinking.
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Xsplat says, “Why call someone a nigger when you can just call him black? Why call a woman a skank, when you can simply call her promiscuous? Sneering if for those so weak they require emotional manipulation of others in order to have social power.”
There’s sneering, and then there’s telling it like it is. Being Black isn’t a choice, but robbing liquor stores and living on pork and weed is.
Being a woman isn’t a choice. Being promiscuous may not be a choice if it’s the only means one has to survive. A literate person in the western world choosing to have casual sex with a bunch of people is promiscuous. I’ve got no problem with an individual being free and doing what they do. When she’s doing it self destructively is when she moves from promiscuous to skank. She’s not a good hearted person doing sexual charity work. She’s dying inside.
Now, those of us in this day and age who don’t get into casual sex are aware that our choice does not make us more popular. It doesn’t really increase our social ranking among modern women. They think we’re oppressed or repressed.
We get passed over for easier girls, not just in dating, but in the marriage market as well. Predator sluts win over good women quite often because we good women are not selfish and stupid enough to steal sperm.
So this isn’t weak women trying to manipulate someone so we can maintain some social power. We’re socially handicapped in the mainstream for not being mercenary enough. This is strong women being aware that being a skank does not bring anything good, despite the social benefits. I don’t want a man who’s dumb enough to *choose* to be with or stay with a hoe.
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“1. Chuck
so….i trust you guys…..
if you got in a fight because some guy called your girlfriend a cunt at a house party….what would you do?
before you answer…i was in a fight last year because a guy kept making comments about my girl’s tits for 3 hours…i finally punched him in the parking lot…”
If someone talks about your girlfriends tits once that should be the last time. Unless she is showing her tits to another guy (me) and his wife with him while you her boyfriend is standing there. which happened to me. Then I still wouldn’t make a comment because wtf was that about. Would still attempt to let the guy keep his dignity intact. Would try to push that one under the rug. Let them handle that back home.
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xsplat wrote: “For me, it’s as easy an airplane ticket. I’m self employed and can work anywhere on the planet, and can find a woman anywhere on the planet.”
That’s what I mean by the judicious application of terror. Traders call it “the Brazil hedge.” You can hedge any position, no matter how risky, with a $400 plane ticket to Brazil. Make them believe there are two possible outcomes to an “oops” -one of which involves you being happy in Brazil while they deal with shitty diapers and food stamps by themselves. It helps if you’re obviously a ruthless character with a bad reputation.
Some of those stories are crazy. I’m kind of reminded of Chuck’s girlfriend … I mean, there’s a common ingredient here. That’s a lot of preggos chicks. I don’t think I’ve even rawdogged that many women.
Finally, if you really suspect them of raiding your used condoms, I highly suggest the tabasco sauce gambit. Don’t flush your used rubbers; toss them in the waste basket, accompanied by a dash of tabasco sauce. That way, at least you’ll know if she’s a psycho hose beast attempting to steal your seed for nefarious purposes. Tom Leykis published this idea: he apparently got it from some training given to NBA stars. Just keeping tabasco in your medicine cabinet (they always go through your medicine cabinet) ought to give them a bit of pause.
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“Lupo,
Finally, if you really suspect them of raiding your used condoms, I highly suggest the tabasco sauce gambit. Don’t flush your used rubbers; toss them in the waste basket, accompanied by a dash of tabasco sauce.”
Invent clear ultra hot pepper sauce for men under pseudo name inside can to spray inside condom. along with spermicide. Joke gift. Million dollar idea run with it.
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omw
This might describe how you’d feel, or how you’d feel if you weren’t theologically deeply opposed to abortion, but it’s certainly not how a lot of women feel.
Virtually every girl I got with who was at Stanford undergrad with me would have aborted if she got pregnant, except for two or three who were really in love with me. But they would have if they couldn’t have gotten me to marry them, and they couldn’t have. I promise you none of them would have put me in your category 1, and a few would have put me in 3. But would have aborted.
On the other hand, some of the girls I got with from other schools, e.g. Mills and others, that’s another matter. But they wouldn’t have gone your 3 route I don’t think. They all knew I was going places and if they had the kid they would have wanted the meal ticket — under today’s laws. Back then child support for unmarried women who got pregnant from just a casual fling was a way less sure thing. For one thing there wasn’t dna testing, but equally there wasn’t the attitude that the guy automatically should pay and pay huge that feminists pushed through in the early 90s. So back then these too would have aborted. But they were a bigger risk. And I knew that at the time.
I.e. it was much better back then for men. Much.
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Most men don’t make that choice. Up until guys are in their 30s, they usually can’t tell the difference. Part of the problem is that women have a sense of solidarity that prevents them even from telling their sons how it is in terms a young man will understand (many young men have no fathers present to do so for them). Of course, part of the problem is human nature — most people just have to learn the hard way (I did).
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When you get really good at this, the narrow escape, optimal money shot reposition to her belly, back, or eye, and first stream of jizz will all happen elegantly in one smooth motion, like a hardcore ballet dance — The Nutbuster. It is crucial that you wipe her off with a towel or dirty sock yourself.
Women you date would read this and still have sex with you? Sure they would roissy. Maybe the sluts you “date” would. You make having sex with you sound so attractive and healthy.
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I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned (but maybe you have) anal pump and dumps. Your sperm can then suffocate in a sea of feces instead of creating beautiful new life.
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3) If every time she thinks of him, she sings, “Have you ever seen a dream walking/Well I did!” she will keep the baby and never trouble him about it if he doesn’t want to be troubled.
OMW that’s a long way from reality – the amount of pressure on a woman to go for the jugular is enormous, from all sides.
The current media, the social norms, family expectations.
The man is expected to pay for his sins, so to speak and to help maintain his child.
Speaking from experience, this all ends in tears due to resentful men, children who want a father and bitter women.
The current laws (in Oz as well as the US) are all weighted in the woman’s direction, and it’s really not that difficult to go for the money.
If you don’t have a birth cert, then you can go for a stat dec signed by the man, and if he won’t do that, just go for the courts where the onus is on him to prove that he’s not the father. That can end up with a court-ordered dna test. Paid for by him, unsurprisingly, and he can be found liable for back-payments.
Even then, after all that, if he decides he wants to participate in the child’s life, court orders aside the woman often has plenty of ways to make it difficult for him.
Why on earth would a bloke want to get a woman pregnant again?
Save your sperm, boys. As Monty Python says, every sperm is sacred.
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Welmer
Yup. Men don’t even get the sisterhood thing until late in life also. Not to mention that women are incapable of introspection and think with their rationalizing emotions. We assume that women fall in love in the same way that men do, and that basically they are just hot versions of guys. You can’t know till you learn, and you can’t learn without banging your head against the wall.
nllk
You said a mouthfull.
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Hey, I’m just saying, I’ve felt #3, and you can’t tell me I didn’t. Unless you can. LOL. Is versus Ought.
I’d say the pressure to hit the dude up for child support is pretty much analogous to the ancient and hallowed tradition of the shotgun marriage.
Nancy might rather be a poverty-stricken and publicly humiliated single mom than endure the even greater embarrassment of publicly forcing Brucie to make her an honest woman, but Nancy’s dad is unlikely to agree.
And one of those dudes is going to have to pick up the tab eventually. Nancy’s daddy, or Nancy’s baby’s daddy.
Who wins?
Not too many women can actually make it on their own with a baby.
Nowadays “Nancy’s dad” is as likely to be the taxpaying public as not; gee, why does everyone support the idea of mandatory child support so vehemently?
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And duh, Doug, hardly any sane woman who’s made it to Stanford is going to ruin it by getting knocked up before she even graduates.
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And I do think Focus on the Family and their ilk are walking on a double-edged knife when they insist that being a housewife is harder than the working world.
But they’re merely weakly trying to preserve some traditional family structure. Too bad they suck at it so bad.
Doug is sort of playing right into the feminist hand when he denigrates the value of women raising their own kids, I think. If it’s so easy and useless and parasitic, then why even do it?
Off to Stanford, girls!
Anything the boys can do, you can do!
Don’t let ’em give you any shit!
Though I wouldn’t quite agree that it’s all picnic all the time, either. A woman with a lot of babies busts her hump when they’re tiny, but lord, I hope once my bunch has grown up a little that I can have a bowel movement by myself again.
“Mama poop? Good-job Mama!”
Thanks, kid.
It’s my version of Kthulah’s ruby.
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And I do think Focus on the Family and their ilk are walking on a double-edged knife when they insist that being a housewife is harder than the working world.
But they’re merely weakly trying to preserve some traditional family structure. Too bad they suck at it so bad.
Doug is sort of playing right into the feminist hand when he denigrates the value of women raising their own kids, I think. If it’s so easy and useless and parasitic, then why even do it?
Off to Stanford, girls!
Anything the boys can do, you can do!
Don’t let ’em give you any shit!
Though I wouldn’t quite agree that it’s all picnic all the time, either. A woman with a lot of babies busts her hump when they’re tiny, but lord, I hope once my bunch has grown up a little that I can have a bowel movement by myself again.
“Mama poop? Good-job Mama!”
Thanks, kid.
It’s my version of Kthulah’s ruby.
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omw-
That was my point sweets.
And my broader point would be that it depends on the woman a lot more than on the quality of the man she’s gotten preggers by.
A lot can and do. Just not as well.
But they shouldn’t. They should have to win a man’s love first.
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Why? Do you consider the traditional shotgun marriage “winning a man’s love” or “theft and coercion?”
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And what large slice of the female population is really going it completely alone, sans taxpayer or baby-daddy or (at the least) considerable extended family support?
I’d imagine it’s a pretty tiny slice of the pie, wouldn’t you?
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Anyway, if we consider “love” a virtually meaningless romantic trope, and get all neo-Darwinian like we like to do up in here, then the heartless bitch suing your ass for child support DID already win your “love.”
Now she’s simply turning to material procurement for the offspring of your shared “love.”
She’s bringing in her “daddy” and “big brothers” to keep you from weaselling out of the thing; but that’s just what women have been doing since the dawn of recorded history. Bitches can’t hang with the street, as Mr. Dogg poignantly reminds us.
But their daddies will kill you.
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Daddy’s girls are a real pain in the rear. For both their daddies and everyone else.
BTW, if any father-in-law tried to pull anything on me, I’d get an anti-harassment order on him immediately, and if he still insisted on starting trouble, have him thrown in jail.
If I ever get married again (very big IF), the in-laws will be told in no uncertain terms that if they interfere with my marriage, their daughter will be given a choice to either make them butt out or go back home to mommy and daddy.
There’s an old Korean saying I’ve come to appreciate:
In-laws are like outhouses; best kept a good distance from the home.
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Well, that’s the thing– women in the “good old days” did rely on extended family networks to buffer the power differential between her and her husband.
Now that the real value of those networks are all but vanished, there is some surprise that a woman will rely on the court system and various governmental agencies to accomplish this instead?
Righty guys complain that women like the idea of a “Big Daddy Government” too much and they are right.
But if not for the power and influence of a large centralized government, there’d be no shaking off the influence of your tribal elders, ever.
Those would be the old folks who would lend you money for a house downpayment, watch your kids while your wife tends the fields, get you a job when you’re down on your luck… all that help comes with strings attached, alas for poor men.
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Welmer, I call that “natural selection”. No, this isn’t from any kind of a high horse. I married the wrong guy twice…sort of. I’m still friends with both of them, and they’re both decent, responsible men. One just wasn’t really ready. The other just wasn’t compatible.
In light of the situations, I’d say I did pretty well, even if it wasn’t forever well. I’m just not cruel enough to pressure someone to stay in a situation that doesn’t suit them.
Still, you get what you pay for. I invested in good men because these are the kinds of guys I’ve always liked. I got into the boyscout types who had the balls to handle themselves out in the wilderness, fight for what they believed in, even if others would hate them for it, worked and studied hard, and could eat a snake, but appreciated a home cooked meal.
So I couldn’t go but so wrong. I sought partners who were the types of guys I felt I belonged around aside of sexually, so the sexual attraction pretty much takes care of itself. If I got along with his mom, that was a real bonus.
I think where guys go wrong is in choosing women who they have nothing in common with values-wise. Physical attraction should have to do with mating, not marrying, but men in a both serial monogamist and feminist culture get their categories confused. Men are supposed to categorize women.
As harsh as it is, it pleases me to see that men are actually re-learning how to do this. You need to know what makes a woman more or less risky, in ways you can wrap your head around. I don’t think anyone here is just going to assume that a woman is going to try to baby-trap them just because she’s 27+, but that is the age when hoes start retiring. It is very likely that in the pool of women who pursue you in that age range, there will be at least one or two of those in there. You don’t want to get stuck with that one, when you have the option of another who isn’t trying to trap anyone.
So on the one hand, yeah, you made a mistake. We all do. Thing is, you learned from it. Alot of guys don’t, and keep getting into the same mess over and over.
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And, anyway, getting a restraining order on Pappy and having him jailed is a reliance on the same enforcer-state you detest so much when it makes you pay child support, isn’t it?
What kind of sap puts an old man in jail for… marital interference… instead of plain old kicking the codger’s impertinent ass?
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Hehe. You ever tried to fight the law? I hate the enforcer state, but it’s a lot easier to work with it than to defy it all by your lonesome. Fortunately, I learned that lesson while I was still a juvenile.
Well, kicking his ass would mos def land my own ass in jail on assault 3 at the very least. I don’t like the idea of bunking with AIDS infested junkies covered with methicillin resistant staph infections (MRSA).
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Being Black isn’t a choice, but robbing liquor stores and living on pork and weed is.
I’m guessing that you’re in the ever expanding group of black people who have given up on pork? I’m still wedded to my sausages, bacon, ham, and prosciutto…
Betas aren’t that useful as parents in some ways, anyway, because they don’t stand up to their wife.
Wow, so betas are awful sex partners and we’re awful parents too? Wow, we do suck.
OTOH, given my blatant social phobia and desire to escape responsibility, I suspect that contrary to what the real world things, I’d be an awful dad.
I suspect that some of them don’t stand up primarily to avoid conflict and they may view that it’s simply easier to do as she says than to say no to her and incur her wrath.
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Naw, I prefer lying to City Hall rather than fighting it.
But I’m a woman, so take that for what little it’s worth.
I’m just saying, I really suspect that the mythical paradise of free, easy sex with zero (sometimes unfair and draconian) outside interference is pretty much just myth.
As absurd as feminists who elevate the harmonious egalitarianism of, say, the noble pagan who lived in the land before time.
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omw
No.
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Trust me, I believe you on that one — especially because you’re a woman. I’ve come to accept that women are women, and not being God, I have no power to change that.
Natural law, however, is a different matter, and I think that with significant effort the role of women can be integrated into something that is less destructive than its current incarnation.
Guys like Roissy are a key part of this effort. His argument cannot be ignored, and it ultimately raises the stakes in any game to completely disenfranchise men. He’s a philosophical warrior (perhaps even a berserker), who injects an ecstatic dose of confusion and fear into the smug femagogues.
Of course it’s just myth. Even feeding oneself has at times been fraught with danger and outside interference. But sometimes living on the edge has its own rewards. Passion expresses itself in many different emotions.
This feminist ideal would have been paradise for me. I am big, fast and can throw really hard. I could have impaled enemies with spears and taken women to lay with me in the meadow. Hunting, warfare and quiet nights under the Milky Way were the rewards for men in those days. A soft woman, knowing that she was spared the sword, would give you the full measure of her gratitude.
Some days you can still grasp those times. I go to the inland West, camp by a stream and stretch out under the pines. Deadwood feeds the sparkling fire and the icy stars shine down from above. There is a wench by the tent, cooking the fish you caught or the game you shot, and all you are is a beating heart in the midst of such beauty. In such times and places there is nothing better than to be a man. When you wake up in the morning, there are sweet flowers stretching down the hillside into a soft valley. It really is heaven, and it is here on earth.
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Dang
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You’ll be paying alot more for alot longer than 18 years with the these women
Never forget – if you knock up a 40 year old (the women in the photos are the wrong side of 40) she will be cycling off Child Support in 2017 at age 58.
She will have 2 options
1) go back to work at age 58 and support herself
2) go back to court (with free legal aid) and get some more money off the baby daddy. Remember In 2017:
a) there will be a critical mass of these Predator S with political power
b) the social security / pension system will be crippeled
The courts will be even more anti-male and will be very sympathetic to the arguement that the mother sacrificed her income earning and retirement saving years to raise the child, and so they’ll award something like 1/2 of your retirement savings / wealth to her, or at least the equivalent of the Child support payments that she has been used to until she dies.. …
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OMW
Well I get your anti-elitist angle OMW and believe it or not have a lot of sympathy for it. I can’t stand a lot of SWPL for example, even though that’s definitely my group. I just rebel from it big time.
But the rest of it I don’t get.
My basic point is that fathers at home are important to kids. Another is that while it’s always exciting to men to have a few female sluts around, mass and extensive slutification of women, future mothers, is bad for kids and relationships and husbands.
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Since when did you give a shit about the state of marriage and family life, Doug? You a playa, no?
Marriage is beta, housewives are lazy, and unattached girls are sluts. What else did I miss?
‘Bout all that worldview leaves room for is live-in girlfriends with no kids, and what sort of future has that got?
Even the skanks “accidentally” getting pregnant and suing for child support are creating something, which is more than I can say for your average childless cohabitating yuppie chick.
She and her “partner” will die, leave nothing behind but a pile of worthless diplomas. Blah.
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Anyway, I can’t be mad at the yuppie chicks; they make their cold little beds and they lay in them, apparently not unhappily.
I just can’t understand what is so great about living for nothing but Today; how must it be to die alone?
Fuck that. When I go, I want five or six adult kids, twenty grandkids, and sixty great-grandbabies, with me and my husband’s features and personalities written all over them.
Housewifery is pretty much the only way for an ambitious woman to go.
“barefoot and pregnant beats high-heeled and professional.” Maybe they’ll write that on my gravestone.
LOL.
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If you want patriarchy, “provider beta” has to be a compliment.
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Debi Pearl describes Roissy’s “Beta” character as “Mr. Steady.”
A much more flattering description that fits the bulk of men quite well, I think.
After all, most human beings are “beta,” whether male or female, what with “alphaness” being the relative thing that it is.
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Silly woman. We all die alone.
Too late! Men are starting to realize that having a housewife is a raw deal.
A field wench like Briseis is far better for a man:
“Are the Atreidai of all mortal men
the only ones who love their wives? I think not.
Every sane decent fellow loves his own
and cares for her, as in my heart I loved
Briseis, though I won her by the spear.”
–Achilles
This reeks of the last stand of feminism. Barefoot and pregnant was the best you ever had, but soon there will be no more of these comfortable guarantees.
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OMW
Since always OMW.
Yes I can be. Have been. Can always be.
But I also care about marriage and family.
My ideal would be to have a strong family but cheat some. Ideally with my wife’s agreement or at least acceptance so not really cheating. BUT understand, I’d have to be very attractive to her and give her a lot of loving attention to feel good about this. I mean I’d have to really give her sexing loving attention. Not at all ignore her, in favor of the other girl.
Have I ever done this? Sort of. Two or three times.
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BY THE WAY, did you know that the origin of the word “hussy” is “housewife?”
Yes, it is from Middle English, where housewife was pronounced something like “huswif.”
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hussy
Coming full circle, aren’t we? LOL.
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Heh, Doug, if you want to opt out of the game of Life, suit yourself, but the old-fashioned division of labor has persisted for a looong time, and it isn’t going anywhere. Threaten away, Daddy-O.
The families who persist do it on faith, love and even a bit of sheer recklessness, but if you are too careful and refined for that, then darling, I can only try to understand.
And hey, wasn’t Briseis about fifteen years old? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Wonder if she would have gone to Stanford. LOL.
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Welmer, you’re a poet AND an etymology expert? I stand in awe of you.
Cannot understand why the whore-beast who suckled your children does not.
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Hey, doug, do you actually have any kids?
I’d gotten the probably incorrect impression that the fat woman had given you some children before she bailed.
Only asking because it’s nearly worthless to discuss family life with the childfree crowd, and I won’t push it any more if you’re not a father.
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Spare me.
Women seem to like bearing my children, but I’m not the most stable guy in the world. Kind of confirms Roissy’s take on things, doesn’t it?
Either way, I love my kids and do my best to be a good father. They love me too. Ironically, it’s my little girl who takes after me the most. I don’t think mommy will have an easy time with that one, but I’m here for her.
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No, love, it’s not just your twinkly-eyed instability. It’s their hopeless whorishness that forces them to steal your potent seed and abscond with your progeny, and they should burn in a special layer of hell reserved for excessively fertile Seattle she-beasts.
How many baby-mamas you got, you wicked cad?
😉
Abuse aside, I’m glad you love your kids. A daddy’s girl is a sweet little creature, really.
Leastways, she is till she hits her teens. Then Look Out, World!
I should know; my little daughter and her daddy are cut from the same cloth.
Lord help us once the boys start coming around.
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OMW–
No kids. I never strongly wanted any, but with the right woman and in the right situation, I would have happily had them. But I was sure as hell determined to not have them outside of those circumstances.
My ex wife was thin. She divorced me because of my adultery. My adultery, vastly delayed, was because of her non sexuality, immediately after we returned from our honeymoon, literally. Further she turned from a light feminist into a hard core one, at exactly that same time. Or rather in each case revealed herself.
We were in love. She had been very different before marriage. We had very good, if rather beginner for her sex. Even though a liberal /leftist jew, she hadn’t lost her virginity until she was 24. These days that would set my alarm bells hugely ringing. I was her third. That part was good but it was incongrous with her cultural background, unless she had a very low sex drive. I met her at her 28, my 29. In retrospect she was in desperation sexual overdrive when I met her. It disappeared after she had securred her catch.
She went into a deep depression for six months after we returned from our honeymoon. Yes I then paid for her therapy. She was a commerical artist that showed promise but lost money. She was made less than no money, but that wasn’t big for me. I loved her. We had intense personal chemistry. But she became sexually incredibly frigid, or reverted to that. AND, she became or reverted to Susan Brownmueller, of the “Agianst Our Will”, intercourse is usually rape, kind of feminist.
After six years I went from some strip club visiting, to adultery. She discovered it after a year and divorced me.
I was well out of the marriage. But not well out of all the money she was able to extract from me.
Oh and btw, Iwas very good to her. Kind and loving, in an alpha kind of way. Took no shit ever, well almost never. She loved me until near the end. Oh, the other thing is that about the time I started with the adultery, I started being a whole lot less nice to her. I’d had enough. I was fed up. I did sometimes ask her what good she was to me. What did she do for me. so that may have been a larger part of it.
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Dude, seriously, you married a Jew and expected not to take a bath? That’s some funniness right there. Is that racist? I don’t even care. Like a real NYC left-wing Jew girl? Damn! It’s like the bitchiest race of woman on the everloving planet!!
Holy hell, no wonder you’re all messed up. I can quit being mad at you now. That’s hilarious.
oh my god I cannot stop laughing. Quick, someone tell me I’m a heartless bitch. Also an anti-semitic one.
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owm-
You know owm I did a lot of revealing to you, and this is how you respond?
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What? She’s a bitch, and a crazy one! I’m wishing you better luck! Telling you there ain’t much you could have done aside from run screaming about… before your first date.
I’m a rural housewife, not a personal therapist. Don’t ask me to soothe your emotions.
Fuck, I don’t even know what a personal therapist really is. Do they soothe the soul?
New Yorkers!
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OMW
I’ve had vastly better “luck” since. That was a long time ago. And I have sworn off marriage, except under the most limited of circumstances. I currently have a live in gf who’s a whole hell of a lot younger than me and darling. It’s a D/s relationship, sorta light, usually. It’s also recently open.
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eh, so marriage and fam aren’t your thing. That’s OK with me.
I don’t understand why the joyfully childfree like to pontificate on ideal family arrangements, though.
Nobody knows how to raise kids like people who don’t have any.
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omw-
I come from a family that had kids. And stayed together.
I told you I would have had kids with the right woman. I expected to with my wife.
I also said I was far from desperate to. Now I don’t want to.
Stop being such an asshole omw.
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It’s like this.
To me, you aren’t that different from the radical feminists:
neither of you sees any value at all in marriage, finding it oppressive and irrelevant,
neither of you has any clear idea about how to structure a society involving children, having little direct experience in the matter,
you both have nothing particularly positive to say about your useless-eater mothers whose time would clearly have been better spent not having you,
and neither of you really have any more impact on my family’s life than a gnat, because you’re both going to die off any day now and leave nothing behind but a bunch. of. useless. verbiage.
Susan Brownmiller my foot.
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Why do you even care what I think, Doug? If I’m boring you to death, stop talking to me! (I should be getting ready for bed anyway…)
You have money, a hot chick, and… whatever else it is that your crowd finds so satisfying about getting up every morning.
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OMW–
Oh go suck Jesus cock.
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OMW
Because I think our society is sick and I want it to change.
It’s not that I think you fundies have the answer, AT ALL, it’s just that I want to be in dialog with lots of different types about how to.
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ha!
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I’m not a fundie, but I respect them greatly and glean a lot of wisdom from them. Proper fundie ladies don’t mix it up at PUA sites. But the business of taking the Biblical narrative literally is tough for me to swallow. Speaking of Jesus cock. heh.
But I do think a certain amount of literal interpretation is necessary for people to stick out their sometimes-dreary responsibilities in the face of shiny earthly temptation.
The more easy-going mainline denominations would seem to prove this point out.
I haven’t seen much, short of either hardcore religious attitudes or hardcore ethnic nationalism (and it often takes a combination of the above) that ever manages to stem the tide for long.
If the men’s-rights bunch comes up with something, lemme know. But I’ve heard a fair bit about them for a long time, and I haven’t seen anything impressive, or even interesting, yet.
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Anyway, Doug, my point is that it won’t even be “your society” much longer.
Assuming that you’re fiftyish, you’ll be nodding off in a nursing home by the time my youngest kids are hitting their stride. If that doesn’t bother you, there is no reason it should bother me, but the future belongs to the fertile, far as I can tell.
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kthulah:
respect is earned, not commanded; if you don’t have that sword you cannot wield it.
and swine is clean and dandy. especially when compared to the customary preparation of fried chicken
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The whole concept of “men rights” is a little lame. However, smart men are going to more and more stop paying for womens scams… and that will hit like a runaway train
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Rum-
You make no sense. Elaborate.
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It’s kinda interesting how I manage to read the exchange between Doug and OMW and walk away feeling sorry for Doug…
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Well, she was pretty fertile — seemed like all I had to do was smile at her and she’d get pregnant. But you know perfectly well that women do hijack the kids and take off with them all the time. Not much most guys can do about it. You can fight, but odds are you’ll lose, and that’s a heartbreaker.
Officially only one here in the states. Lost a couple kids when I was younger. I’m glad that didn’t happen this time. Whatever the case, given the current state of affairs, I don’t think I’m meant to be a married man, but I’m happy to be a dad nonetheless.
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Wow, regardless of content that was INCREDIBLE prose.
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owm
I’ve often been told that I’m not good boyfriend material because no woman can take me seriously – I’m not the steady type. So now I can see in that a grain of compliment?
In any case, regardless of all the Cinderella’s and their godmothers in the universe, this man ain’t no prince charming, and not even a state can make him act like one.
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OMW, laughing her ass off:
I married one too.
I once chatted with a middle aged vendor that I had business dealings with. He had a Jewish wife. He told me “yep, they really aren’t good for much”
High strung. High maintenance.
Woe be onto the man.
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Roissy is just like Dr. Ronald Chevalier, wary of the snakes trying to get at our precious seed:
http://ronaldchevalier.com/2008/07/video/
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I’m a firm believer that humanity is not homogenetic. Not even within races and subraces. I think we striate into classes. So far I recognize the police class, the artisan class, the pencil pushing class, and suspect several others. This is not merely a matter of socialization – we are like bees or ants – portions of our societies are genetically specialized. And for sexual strategies, we striate as well. Some of us are natural born family men. Some simply aren’t.
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“… you aren’t that different from the radical feminists:
neither of you sees any value at all in marriage, finding it oppressive and irrelevant….”
I’ll agree with this only to a certain limit.
Both rad fems and a lot of the men here would see marriage as oppressive and useless. Why on earth wouldn’t they?
Men are seen as sperm banks, with the emphasis on either sperm or bank as the woman sees fit, even without the golden ring, and the rad fems encourage that.
It’s got to the stage now where we get articles like the one Roissy linked to telling women that we shouldn’t feel bad if we need to steal some sperm to get the latest pet. Fluffy maltese terrier be damned! I want my own little mini me!
I’m single by choice, and don’t like with my girl’s father, but I can also admit that my choices weren’t always the wisest.
I have no idea whether that makes me some sort of skank in the eyes of you lot here, but that’s ultimately irrelevant.
However, too many women see children as the way to money. It’s far too easy to get the benefits if you have the kids, and the taxation system is set up to penalise single-income dual-parent families.
There are so many reasons why a man shouldn’t get married, when you consider that in these days of no fault divorce, a woman can just sod off with the kids, bleat about how he called her names one day and then she gets to rip off 18% of his gross (for one child) up until the child is 18.
Or longer if the kid goes to university.
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Sorry to get ranty here, but this is something that drives my blood pressure right up.
I have a friend who tells me how we’re living in a patriarchal society and I just laugh at her.
Let’s look at the custody laws, the child support and access laws, and how about this one?
My guess is that marriage as an institution is now extinct like the feminazis and the marxists have been working towards for decades.
Regardless of whether you’re and alpha or a beta male, there is a position in a healthy society for you – it’s just that our society is no longer healthy.
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Big Brother/Nanny state. Disgusting.
I prefer the wild wild west of SE Asia. Yes, it’s unruly and corrupt. Suits me.
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“..and don’t live with my girl’s father..”
Oops. How freudian of me.
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nilk: stop commenting, your comments undo all the work that big booty of yours does
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Sorry about that, Russell. I just like my pyjamas, even if that’s not my best angle.
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nilk,
False. That is your best angle.
Doug,
Maybe Rum is saying is that when the SHTF, this whole edifice of Title VII, Title IX, welfare, child support/alimony, etc. that subsidizes women in their nihilistic choices of polyandrous relationships with a few alphas is going to crumble. And then we’re going to have a bunch of unmarried, past-their-prime women (many with kids) suddenly unable to lead a sustainable existence.
A mini-script of this scenario gets regularly played out in media/entertainment: Margot Kidder, Sean Young et al. Except this time around, they won’t even get honoraria from Marxist foundations or the till from off-Broadway productions of the Vagina Monologues.
But I’m just guessing. I too wish he would elaborate.
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Some of us are natural born family men. Some simply aren’t.
Do you think this applies to women, as well?
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Gunslinger: I have a women’s magazine called psychologies. This is the reference to sex:
“SEX
Porn: why it’s out of control.”
It’s written by Laura Bond and titled ‘The Porn Virus’. There’s an extract by Naomi Wolf.
Chuck: Girlfriend = Red Flag. Even though it smacks a tad of aggression, you’re awesome for defending her honor; I didn’t think anyone had the balls or the pride to do that anymore.
Sara: Even though roissy’s motives are unpure, I would recommend wiping anyway because it smacks of actually caring about the girl instead of leaving her there unattended covered in fluids. Literally feeling unclean and used.
DA: I know it sounds harsh; that conflict avoidance is exactly what I was thinking about. But if a guy doesn’t at least be equal with his wife, he might as well just disappear into his TV or slink off and stay in his shed. A dad is better than no dad, though, and I guess they’re ok even if they’re bad examples for their children. If he truly loves his kids regardless of his nature, he’ll be a good dad and do his best not to let her bully him on at least issues around the kids. Ironically, some beta dads have to be bullied INTO doing stuff for the kids.
Doug: Painful story. Suppose it was easier to cheat than let her go, which I don’t really condemn you for. That’s a new feeling. I’m starting to get how people don’t do the “right” thing because it’s just too difficult to let go of someone you love.
Damn, people, I can’t get away from anti-semitism anywhere. I had an Arabic friend who didn’t particularly express anything about Jews then went to America for a week or two: came back with a couple of anti-semitic rants. America: The Reformed Nazi States (see: governer of California).
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nilk —
So you’re an Australian?
That was court may law wasn’t it? I saw that before, and wondered if it would really hold up. I was hoping it was some renegade judge and it wouldn’t hold up, or get reversed.
What the hell is the basis of it?
Is there any outrage building?
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Yes, of course. Some women have little to no drive to even have kids. And some want the kids, but have little to no drive to play wife.
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And Betti, regarding anti-semeticism, there’s a reason not to breed just for I.Q. alone. Jews tend to be smart, but neurotic.
A thoroughbred is want in a mate, not a purebred.
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America: The Reformed Nazi States (see: governer of California).
Are you kidding? California is completely dominated by the Democrats. Any pretensions its girlie-man governor had to independence have long since been curbed. Far from being a jackbooted dictator, he has spent the past few years practically groveling at the feet of the legislature. Pathetic, contemptible, beta, thy name is Ahnuld.
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I’m the neo-anti-anti-Semite
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DA, I was using the pork thing figuratively. Some people where I’m from have the food groups as: grits, pork, greens, and gravy.
I’m sure though, that some White person here would view them as “the hillbilly food groups”, and will claim that they do it better or something. Heheheh…
Goldoildrugz, some people’s respect can’t be earned, and sometimes there isn’t time to, if you want to get things done. In such cases, fear will suffice…at least in my opinion. It’s worked well for me so far.
What’s frustrating for me though, is that aside of a small group of friends, respect and fear are the only two sentiments I can safely receive from people around me. It’ll do though, because I’ve been looked down on enough to know it’s not worth it to try to be nice and make people feel comfortable and less intimidated.
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Does anyone else here keep reading Kthulah as Cthulu, or is it just me?
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expat: Yes, of course. Some women have little to no drive to even have kids. And some want the kids, but have little to no drive to play wife.
OK, good, just checking. There’s a tendency on this board to paint all women with the same largely-uncomplimentary brush, and a lot of posters don’t make allowances for women having these kinds of variations.
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Anonymous–
Speaking for myself, I love women, or the many good ones anyway. I have lots of fun mildly flirting with women at work and all over the place, e.g. just when out shopping or getting something to eat. I often does this, again mildly, with women that aren’t attractive enough to me for me to want to go out with them, but are attractive.
What I don’t like is feminism or true feminist believers. You have to expect at least minor feminist parroting from most women and actually most college educated men these days, regrettably. But a mild level I can get past.
I have no doubt that Roissy feels similarly. In fact most all the regular commenters here who are some kind of alpha whether largely natural or heavily game learned like women generally or anyway the good and not hyperfeminist ones (or super sluts). It’s some of the betas who are seething with resentment and yes, I think reading here makes many of these seeth more after they’ve read Roissy peel pretty lie after pretty lie about women and their essential natures re: sexual attraction, away from their eyes.
What Roissy’s doing there is knocking women off their pedestal. I think the does that for three basic reasons. 1) it’s the truth, and you can always maneuver more effectively when armed with the truth; 2) it helps greatly in asserting your natural male leadership role in relationships that nearly all women want to feel truly sexually excited by their sex and then love partner; 3) it significantly reduces approach anxiety and makes learning and practicing game, which is a strong part way easier. Of course all three of these are closely interrelated.
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“Does anyone else here keep reading Kthulah as Cthulu, or is it just me?”
The resemblance is uncanny.
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Jackson, that’s because, aside of being a fan of Lovecraft, I’ve been called a “fat ugly shoggoth” more times than I can count.
So…when I was thinking up an alias because “IronWynch” didn’t fit my newer, nicer image (vomiting a little in my mind), and somehow in real life I got the nickname “khatulah” which means (female) cat/kitty, I combined khatulah and cthulhu.
Now, I’m back to IronWynch. I even bought the domain, and will be launching officially in the summer, when I post my new pics. I suppose I should thank Roissy for talking enough crap to encourage me to come out as a not so shoggothy shoggoth.
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Lupo, you’re just mad because of that time we had the argument about the fact that just because the tentacles are wiggling doesn’t mean the eye is closed.
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Doug,
The response to the news laws was rather quiet. We don’t have the most active men’s groups here, although we do at least have one or two.
A few headlines in the paper, a few snippets on the tabloid tv, and some blogging.
MRA here also tend to focus on family/custody/maintenance issues rather than the whole misandric deal we currently have to put up with.
I suspect when some woman tries to go for half of everything because she shacked up with some bloke for a few months it will get very interesting.
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Thanks for the compliment, Wounded Animal.
Back to the mistress laws, there’s an interesting look at it from one of the local legal firms.
Give it a few more months and I won’t be surprised to see some woman trying to take advantage of this.
A few years back some female was trying for a slice of the pie on the basis that she had de facto with a bloke for leaving her toothbrush at his place.
I can’t remember if she scored through the courts, but it made the news and pissed off a lot of people.
That was over a decade ago – 12 years or thereabouts.
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Getting back to the article Roissy linked and took off on, I’d like to say that probably a large part of why this woman finds herself in her mid thirties and unable to marry anyone decent is that she’s an incredible slut. And known as such.
So no half way attractive man wants to marry her. (Good for them; some sanity.) Well her age at first wishing to have kids/marry is a way biggy too, as Roissy says.
And now our society will allow her to claim massively high child support=alimony from some hapless chump she sluttifies herself with again, this time without birth control, though she lies and says she is protected?
Disgusting.
Change the law now!!
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What I don’t like is feminism or true feminist believers.
By which you mean the radical political feminism of the sort (not unfairly) complained about here, I take it? Or are you a hardliner who believes that women are genuinely men’s irrational & inherently amoral inferiors? I’m asking in earnest: a lot of the posts here seem to be among the latter, which is deeply troubling.
You have to expect at least minor feminist parroting from most women and actually most college educated men these days, regrettably. But a mild level I can get past.
You guys who keep harping on about how much you hate feminists would probably be surprised by how much you’d actually like and respect a real one. And by “real one” I mean a woman who is: honorable, loyal, independent, hard-working, not materially acquisitive, deeply sexual in a committed relationship but never been pumped & dumped, never slutted it up.
If y’all are dismissing out of hand anyone who identifies as a feminist without finding out what they mean by that? Then you’re skipping over a number of good women – women with whom you might really be able to build the kind of deep partnership often described here as ideal – without even knowing it.
Women who support leeching off anyone, whether government or the men in their lives, are no feminists. Anyone who argues for either sex to have advantage over the other is no feminist. They have a radical political agenda which should be opposed by anyone with a brain, but it sure as hell ain’t feminism.
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Dear Anony, this is the perfect demonstration of the success in which the feminists have used an emotional appeal to proliferate their ideology to corrupt our culture, instigate a gender war and destroy the nuclear family.
It all starts with this notion that “feminism is just about women being equal! Who wouldn’t want THAT?!?!”
This subtle indoctrination is the primary vehicle for which the feminist agenda has been gradually implemented in little over a century to reach the point we are currently at.
Based on that LIE, women like you are always ready and willing to chime in at any point any feminist wrought injustice is perpetrated, and declare ‘NOT ALL FEMINISTS ARE LIKE THAT!’ thereby providing the vehicle to perpetually justify feminism’s most extreme manifestations.
Note the key word I bolded in your quote.
This is the ROOT of feminist ideology.
That a good woman, is an INDEPENDENT woman.
This is the very dark heart of the current gender war.
Men, in our very basic nature, want a woman who NEEDS US.
Nothing inspires a man more than a loving, sweet woman that DEPENDS on him.
That is why Western Civilization was built up during the era of “Patriarchy.” Men were motivated to get out there and work their asses off to build, create, invent and innovate…so they could support the woman and children at home that DEPENDED on him.
The old Patriarchal model was based on symmetry…the complimentary roles of the genders.
The new Feminist paradigm has been to fool women into thinking they could attain the unattainable – EQUALITY.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
Men can’t have babies. Women can’t write their names in the snow with their piss. We will NEVER be EQUAL, because equal means “same” and men and women will never be same, no matter how much social engineering, brainwashing or indoctrination the Feminazi’s manage to saturate our society with.
Instead of “equality,” it created competitive roles between the genders instead of the prior complimentary model.
Feminism was the Marxist act of turning any women that ascribed to it into nothing more than what Lenin called the useful idiots to further the goals of communism.
When a woman says she is a feminist, by that very definition, she is declaring that she is in competition with men…so she CAN’T be a “GOOD” woman.
She might be “GOOD” under the definition provided by other feminists (INDEPENDENT!)…but to a man, GOOD is fulfilling the complimentary gender role that makes a marriage, and by extension a family, complete.
Male and Female
Masculine and Feminine
Yin & Yang
Two opposing forces that come together and compliment each others different attributes to create a unique whole.
This is the natural order of life.
Feminism is the deliberate indoctrination to oppose that natural order.
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But if a guy doesn’t at least be equal with his wife, he might as well just disappear into his TV or slink off and stay in his shed.
I’ll refrain from describing what happened to other men, but for some of us, one can blame how we viewed our parents relationships. My parents are immigrants and thus, don’t have the feminist dynamic that American couples of their age cohort would have. Yet after watching my parents argue, and my mother blame my father for bad decisions, and my dad basically ignore her and do as he felt was right, one could theoretically presume that the way to a “good” marriage isn’t to run game and be stronger and even more independent and ignore your wife, but just to let her make the decisions and just do as she says to avoid any conflict. Plus, if anything happens, she only has herself to blame.
Of course, I was one of those good kids in high school who never rebelled, and just did as everybody told me, and lied like crazy to cover up anything bad. It made far more sense then acting like the others who perpetually fought with their parents and whined about their arguments with them.
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Why should you find it “troubling” (this term is a SWPL dead giveaway) if some people believe that?
It’s either true or not. I think it’s dependent on the circumstances, and these days women are in the position where they can get away with, and indeed are actually encouraged toward, immoral behavior.
If most people breaking up marriages and tearing families apart are women (they are), isn’t that proof of moral inferiority? I mean, it can’t be that 90% of the time men are to blame for the failure of marriages. 70% of divorces are filed by women, and in the majority in which men file it is because the women have abandoned them for one reason or the other.
So go ahead and be troubled. To me, it is only troubling to be confused about reality. Now that I have accepted the way things are, I am far less troubled than I was before.
I like women, but not as “equal” partners. If that’s what they want (it isn’t, actually), then I don’t need them around. It is better for everyone if they are subordinate to the men in their families. The greatest philosophers of human history agree. In fact, civilization is largely dependent upon this premise.
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but not as “equal” partners
Remember, not equal generally means inferior…
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Men, in our very basic nature, want a woman who NEEDS US.
Really? A woman who needs me tends to be a drag on my life and tends to suck up my time with her cries for help.
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“If y’all are dismissing out of hand anyone who identifies as a feminist without finding out what they mean by that? Then you’re skipping over a number of good women – women with whom you might really be able to build the kind of deep partnership often described here as ideal – without even knowing it.”
Anon, I used to identify as a feminist until I started looking a bit deeper.
These days, I prefer to be an anti-feminist.
The idea of equal pay for equal work is fine as it goes, but how many women actually put in the same amount of hours for the same pay?
A lot of women bleat about the glass ceiling, for example, and the dearth of women in board positions or directorships.
What woman who wants to have a solid relationship and family would commit to the hours required to run a business? And if they won’t do that, then why should they be remunerated at the same level?
My friends don’t call themselves feminists – they call themselves women.
It’s very easy to substitute a career for a meaningful relationship – a career’s easier to sustain in this day and age, but a lot of women still think they can have it all.
They can’t, and they often make the wrong decisions and blame the outcome on men and the glass ceiling, all men being bastards who won’t commit, or George Bush and global warming.
It’s very difficult for anyone who’s been convinced of the rightness of their position to admit at a much later stage that they’ve been wrong.
That goes for men as well.
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If by “inferior” you mean lower in the chain of command, then fair enough.
We’re all “inferiors” by that definition.
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If by “inferior” you mean lower in the chain of command, then fair enough.
We’re all “inferiors” by that definition.
While I inferior, IMHO, refers to not as good as, inferior in terms of lower in the chain of command implies a failure to rise up, and superiors are better than their inferiors.
E.g: Roissy and I are not equals. I am inferior and thus, not as good as him and probably of lower value.
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That is a simple-minded way to look at it. If I work at a company, by boss is my “superior.” Is he a superior man? Well, that’s subjective. It all has to do with making things work properly. Men accept inferior positions on the egalitarian principle that it’s best for everyone in the long run. Women don’t think that way.
In a family, if the woman starts to think of her husband as her inferior, everything gets screwed up. Women are perhaps more hierarchically minded than men. In fact, I’m sure they are. Men are more egalitarian. Never in history have women ever tried to come up with an egalitarian form of government, whereas men have been struggling to do so for millennia.
So when you let a woman think of herself as her husband’s “equal,” next thing you know she becomes a tyrant. She’s demanding, pushy and finally divorcing your sorry behind and all the while feeling very self-righteous about it. In order to prevent this from happening, it’s imperative to give men the upper hand, because they tend to think along more egalitarian lines, e.g. what’s better for everyone rather than “I feel this way right at this moment, so that’s how things should be.” It’s the same reason parents have authority over children. Can you imagine a home where small children had equal say in family expenditures, for example?
For men, the implications of this are quite simple:
If the woman you are with starts acting up, give her one warning, and then on the next offense kick her out of your life. It will save you a lot of trouble if you are decisive about these things. It is really too bad it has come to this, but women wanted “equality,” so now they can deal with the consequences.
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dougjnn – my condolences for getting mixed up with that vampiric Jew bitch.
Jews are some of the worst human beings on the planet: the most materialistic and greedy, the most miserable and crazy/neurotic, the least idealistic and least spiritual, the most subversive/radical, the ugliest, the meanest, and so on. They are more intelligent than average and can be good conversationalists, but those positives pale in comparison to the ruin which so often follows in their wake.
In fact, one of the main reasons that Western culture is on the decline (in the USA, especially) is that these Jewish ideals and behaviors have largely supplanted the native White-Western ideals which made Western culture great. Once Jews gain hegemony as they currently have by becoming the new elite of a society, said culture is all but dead morally, financially, spiritually…Jewish hegemony spells certain decay, decline, corruption, and ultimate cultural death.
Best to avoid those people henceforth now that you’ve learned your lesson. Jewish women are especially vampiric in the extreme, as Jewish women have been the most radical and numerous feminists [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists ] and are always on the lookout for men who they can financially exploit because they have such one-track minds focused solely on materialism and money to the exclusion of nearly all else.
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Idealist, everything you just mentioned is typically Anglo-Saxon, and bits of it could be applied to Europeans in general. Y’all are just angry because Jews are better at it than you.
Someone is beating you at your own game. The only way you’ll stop getting beat at it, is to recognize how it came about, and fix what’s messed up about yourself, and if you can, your own culture.
Speaking of which, one of the main advantages of Jews is that they actually have a culture. Most other White people have no idea of their own history unless they’re relatively recent immigrants, and sometimes not even then.
I understand there are some dangers involved with being identified with “White pride”, but there certainly needs to be enough Anglo pride, Swedish pride, and mixed Cherokee/French/Scottish pride or whatever, that people have more of a cultural guide than the television and whatever crap corporations say to get you to buy stuff you don’t need.
You need to know where your family’s customs came from. When you do, if someone tries to sell you a lifestyle that you know is incompatible with your core values, you’ll know what you’re rejecting and why.
Once I started studying African, especially around Togo, and Catawba spirituality, as well as the esoterics, I knew I couldn’t be a Christian…at least not a typical one. I realized that I and my family were basically co-opting a belief system we had no real understanding of, because the “flavor” of it wasn’t really speaking to our mentality…and I wonder if it truly speaks to anyone’s since it seems politically constructed more than a real development.
Even my parents, hard core evangelical types for decades, grew into a more roots/village African style of Christianity that rejected organized religion and the corruption inherent to it, and embraced the fact that Jesus is Jewish. An African and/or Native American can’t have a Santa Claus god, and be okay in that mentality. They’ll be crazy, as a good many Christians in the U.S. are.
Even most Europeans can’t get into that conveniently constructed deity who supposedly created nature, and then proceeds to circumvent it for the whims of followers of Hercules in hobo drag.
You need to know where your people are from, and what they believed before missionaries. Once you do, Jews are no longer so monstrous. They’re just another culture…perhaps a competing one, but still full of people just trying to get by, and make a place for themselves in the world, just like you and your people.
…and if you find yourself on the more independent end, other herds are easier to deal with, once you’ve got a good idea of the one you’re either ruling, tolerating, or breaking away from. Awareness is a good thing.
In the context of game, if you find yourself in love with a Jewish woman, knowing that your own culture is as important as hers, helps to balance things in the relationship. Be the man, whatever that entails. Women from strong cultures tend to have alot of moxy, and be a bit pushy, but this kind of woman needs a man to be a man even more than someone milder.
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Anonymous —
Almost all versions of feminism take a blank slate, gender is a social construct, point of view. Or at least that it is almost entirely, if not completely. Which I greatly oppose. But no I don’t think women are amoral inferiors. I think they’re significantly different than men, but also significantly the same.
I’m certainly not against women competing in the workplace in all or almost all work roles. But I’m thoroughly opposed to affirmative action for women — all forms of it. I don’t think women applying to fire departments should have special weakened for them strength tests.
I’d repeal or greatly modify most feminist legislation, including sexual harassment law, and domestic violence law, and certainly divorce and child support law. It’s not that I don’t think there should be ANY sexual harassment law, but it should punish trivial things or change the burden of proof to a special female tilted one as most feminist law does. Similarly with domestic violence law.
In divorce law, no I don’t think a divorcing spouse has a right to half her husband’s wealth no matter how large that might be or how little she may have contributed. In this era of equal work opportunities I’m not sure that a wife who chose not to work or not to pursue a career, but also decides not to make a marriage work, should walk off with lots of her husband’s dough. In the real world I’d compromise on law changes here, but as for what’s right, except perhaps in the clearest cases of a man simply wanting to trade in his aging wife for a newer and prettier model, which is always how women and their oh so gallant defenders en masse paint the divorce picture, whereas in reality it’s a tiny part of divorces overall, 70% of which are initiated by women. But most of all I think child support amounts are WAY too large particularly for high earners, and should not include any ongoing support of the ex wife (ie alimony) component as it does now. Instead there should be true joint custody and only direct support for the child, as each parent chooses, rather than how the state in the form of feminist committees decides.
So tell me anonymous, which sort of feminists was it who created these laws? The most radical ones only?
Which kind of feminist influences leads Hollywood to so regularly portray American men in American marriages as always the ones at fault, always rightfully apologizing, and always letting their wife decide everything in every happy or rather every peaceful marriage, since few are happy on TV?
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Why should you find it “troubling” (this term is a SWPL dead giveaway) if some people believe that?
It’s troubling because it’s not true. That people base their behavior on such an untruth means that I have to overcome their undeserved prejudice when I encounter it. I find that troubling.
If most people breaking up marriages and tearing families apart are women (they are), isn’t that proof of moral inferiority?
It’s proof of the moral inferiority only of the women who do it. But to equate those women with all women is exactly the kind of broad-brush painting I mentioned.
I like women, but not as “equal” partners. If that’s what they want (it isn’t, actually), then I don’t need them around.
Actually, equal partnership is precisely what some of us want. And if you don’t need us around, that’s fine — we just want that same option. Can you blame us?
It is better for everyone if they are subordinate to the men in their families.
It’s not necessarily better for *them*, which is pretty much the point. I’m not subordinate by virtue of my reproductive organs; you’re not superior by virtue of yours.
The idea of equal pay for equal work is fine as it goes, but how many women actually put in the same amount of hours for the same pay?
I do, for one.
What woman who wants to have a solid relationship and family would commit to the hours required to run a business? And if they won’t do that, then why should they be remunerated at the same level?
If they won’t do the work, of *course* they shouldn’t be compensated for it. Anyone who says they should be is a shirker. But what about those who *do* make and keep the commitment? Should they be denied the opportunity to work their asses off?
Men, in our very basic nature, want a woman who NEEDS US. Nothing inspires a man more than a loving, sweet woman that DEPENDS on him.
Being loving and sweet and needing your partner are not qualities that are mutually exclusive from independence. Do you want a women who knows how to handle things when you’re not around? Or do you want a moron who goes to pieces at the slightest challenge?
Independence comes in a lot of forms and, if you have a lick of sense, is most definitely a quality you want in a wife and mother.
Yin & Yang
Two opposing forces that come together and compliment each others different attributes to create a unique whole.
This is the natural order of life.
Feminism is the deliberate indoctrination to oppose that natural order.
So you believe that I, as an ovary-owner, should have no other choice with my life other than to act as support system for a man’s life? Regardless of my abilities or inclinations?
Neither yin nor yang is subordinate to the other.
Almost all versions of feminism take a blank slate, gender is a social construct, point of view. Or at least that it is almost entirely, if not completely. Which I greatly oppose. But no I don’t think women are amoral inferiors. I think they’re significantly different than men, but also significantly the same.
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Instead there should be true joint custody and only direct support for the child, as each parent chooses, rather than how the state in the form of feminist committees decides.
I agree wholeheartedly with you on every single point.
So tell me anonymous, which sort of feminists was it who created these laws? The most radical ones only?
I don’t know, Doug. Who creates *any* law? And how did such laws get passed? Feminists — even the radical ones — couldn’t possibly do it alone, so it seems pointless to attempt to lay the problem solely at their feet.
Which kind of feminist influences leads Hollywood to so regularly portray American men in American marriages as always the ones at fault, always rightfully apologizing, and always letting their wife decide everything in every happy or rather every peaceful marriage, since few are happy on TV?
Yet who runs Hollywood? Which gender makes up the vast majority of studio heads, producers, writers? Men do. Men whose bottom line is money. If you’re going to point a finger, make sure it includes the people who perpetuate the status quo for their own greed. And that’s not just the freeloading hellbitches who rip off guys for half their financial worth.
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Warpig:
“Most other White people have no idea of their own history unless they’re relatively recent immigrants, and sometimes not even then.”
—lol. spoken like someone whose only interaction with white people comes from SWPLers, who deliberately try to have pride in themselves in favor of degrading themselves in front of non-white people, or else the poorest of the poor people, who, no matter what color they are, have no idea of their ethnic heritage.
Kindly go to Boston on St. Patrick’s Day or New York on Columbus Day to have your worldview rocked, warpig.
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correction: “SWPLers, who deliberately try to NOT have pride in themselves in favor of degrading themselves in front of non-white people,”
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Kindly go to Boston on St. Patrick’s Day or New York on Columbus Day to have your worldview rocked, warpig.
Boston on St. Patrick’s Day is the perfect place to find 5th generation green-beer-drinking morons who couldn’t tell you a single fact about Irish history. They are precisely the people Kthulah’s talking about.
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Anonymous, are you an idiot?
Boston on St. Patrick’s day has legions of organizations marching that are dedicating to promiting Irish history and Irish pride and Irish culture. Or did you mss the Step-Dancing competitions?
It’s a fuckfest of Irish culture and heritage. Ancient Order of the Hibernians, anyone?
You and Kthulah clearly only talk to SWPLers.
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Anonymous–
Feminists as a moment, in alliance with the rest of the left and a great many merely liberals (center left) shamed the rest of the country largely through media campaigns. Women are thick in the media and it’s a rare women in the media (other than a few conservative columnists but many of them too), who doesn’t consider herself feminists. There was a great deal of misinformation and outright lying involved as well, which men seem to be very hesitant about going after vigorously, when it’s a movement of women who are doing it. I’m talking about the prevalence of severe domestic violence for example, or the lie that rare trivial things like a slap (often after a lot of female slaps or even punches to the belly etc. which are treated as perfectly ok) always leads to more and truly severe domestic violence, which is outrageously and enormously counter to the evidence. Similarly the lie that divorce is generally about a man trading in his aging wife for a younger model. That was never true; divorce was from the get go a woman’s cause not a man’s (though a minority of men wanted it to be made easier as well) and I’m talking about early in the last century as well.
So yes, I do blame it on feminism, and it’s shaming and often intimidating men into going along. Prominent legislators and other men not wanting to seem “neanderthal” etc.
Left liberals run Hollywood, specifically Jewish ones. (Six out of the seven largest studios are headed by Jews; consider who most of the most powerful and influential agents are; etc. ) They generally buy feminism wholeheartedly. Anything but the very most radical versions, or the most anti sex versions, anyway.
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Roissy, isn’t your entire schtick practically that men MUST exploit, manipulate, and coerce in order to satisfy their overwhelming NEED to fuck as often as possible else their balls turn blue or they go insane or both? Yet when women do the same thing with their stronger innate biological NEED to have a baby, you cry foul. You are one big hypocritical cry baby. What goes around comes around, roissy, and no number of calculated avoidance methods are going to keep it from happening when you’re asking for it.
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Oh, so because men do it it’s okay for women to behave the same way?
That’s one way of looking at it, Sara I, but you are forgetting the consequences – these women are looking to get pregnant and have a child, irrespective of the cost to anyone else.
Children need two parents of either gender to have the best chance of success (statistically speaking, of course – there are always exceptions), and a phalanx of women behaving like men and doing their damnedest to breed because they have a biological imperative to do so is not going to provide children with the optimum environment.
Women are not men. We may all have outwardly the same physical bits (barring reproductive organs) but we’ve got an endocrine system that drives a lot more things than we like to admit, and there are far too many differences.
Sure, we’ve got that biological need, but by the time a woman’s in her 30s she should have the smarts to think things through a bit more responsibly and not plan any “accidents.”
“I want to do that because he does it” is not any sort of logical or reasonable defence/excuse.
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More feminist indoctrination rears it’s ugly head.
You have the choice to do whatever the hell you want with your life.
You missed the entire point I made. Men NEED women to be dependent on them.
That means men are ALSO dependent on women…when you have the yin and yang model of gender roles.
That’s what “complimentary” roles means.
Feminism, the political movement attacked the complimentary roles by making women only look at their complimentary role and make them think it was unsatisfactory, demeaning and unfair…unEQUAL.
Now tell us, dear, what do you think the husband who was a coal miner or construction worker that worked in dangerous conditions, putting his life and health on the line, day after day, to bring home the money to provide for his wife and children…
…think he thought bitterly of himself as nothing more than “a support system?”
If his wife was a nagging bitch, I’m sure he did.
But regardless…the gender roles of Patriarchal society were no bed of roses for men either.
Having kids was about OBLIGATION to the Children…not whether a man’s role or a woman’s role was “equal” or “fair.”
I don’t expect you to get this, as you’ve already demonstrated that your attitude has already been thoroughly indoctrinated by the feminist viewpoint that women are “victimized” and “unequal” in Patriarchy.
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Dave from Hawaii–
Here, here.
I’d like to make it clear that while I support women’s right to work at almost all kinds of jobs, without any kind of affirmative action whatsoever, I nonetheless greatly prefer a more traditional model, and think that that’s what our media should be pushing.
I have in mind women not only not working when children are infants, but also not working more than part time afterwards at least until they are all away at school. I suppose if families can afford a nanny part time work even with infants isn’t too bad. Part time working out of the home being preferable. Once kids are in high school, maybe that’s less important. But full time and big overtime work for women with kids is I think a very bad thing for the kids. And I don’t want it for me either.
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Sara —
No you divorce theft alimony plus child support taking rentier female user of your workaholic ex-husband, that isn’t his thing.
His thing is seduction, not exploitation much less coercion.
In contrast these predator sluts as described in that Daily Mail article are indeed using trickery and exploitation to steal a baby from men who think they’re using birth control. Despite their chaims to the reporter so as not to appear to horrifically explotative and thus risk wide condemnation even from women or even a change in the law, you can bet that a lot of them WILL be looking for child support. They especially would in the US, where the support levels are a much higher percentage of high earner’s income.
Just like you used California state law coercion to meet your post entirely discretionary on your part divorce to pry large amounts of money out of your ex husband.
Yes Sara, it’s women like you that we’re talking about.
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dave: I don’t expect you to get this, as you’ve already demonstrated that your attitude has already been thoroughly indoctrinated by the feminist viewpoint that women are “victimized” and “unequal” in Patriarchy.
Actually, Dave, the only attitude I have *ever* espoused on this board is that women should have the opportunity to try, and succeed or fail entirely on their own merits. I have espoused women pulling their own weight, and only ever condemned the current state of affairs that allow evil shirkers to profit at the expense of another.
I was “indoctrinated” by the alphaest alpha who ever alphaed, who stressed honor, virtue, and strength of character for his daughters as well as his sons. The failings of society today are down to the lack of those qualities in both genders, not any ideology or movement at all. It’s a grass-roots problem, and will be solved only from the bottom up.
You can attempt to put words in my mouth to support your belief system as much as you like, but I have never, not once, ever supported any of the evil done in feminism’s name.
I have said that not all women want to be mothers or wives, and merely making that choice does not automatically mean they’re attempting to rend the fabric of society. Not all women are the same, any more than all men are the same.
You missed the entire point I made. Men NEED women to be dependent on them.
That means men are ALSO dependent on women…when you have the yin and yang model of gender roles.
I didn’t miss your point, Dave. Just because I can support myself doesn’t mean I don’t depend upon my partner, nor does it mean that I don’t have his back — to the death, if it comes to that. It’s not an either/or situation, although you appear to view it that way.
But what if my partner should die? Well, I won’t become a ward of the state, that’s for sure. And while we don’t have children, if we eventually do, I will be able to see to it that they continue to be well cared for. And I won’t have to mooch off some poor schlub to accomplish it, either.
How can anyone possibly have a problem with that?
Having kids was about OBLIGATION to the Children…not whether a man’s role or a woman’s role was “equal” or “fair.”
Here’s a news flash: if you’re doing it right, having kids is ALWAYS about obligation to the children, and both parents putting their own whims last. That’s not something that can be subject to ideologies or social trends and still be done successfully.
Feminism, the political movement attacked the complimentary roles by making women only look at their complimentary role and make them think it was unsatisfactory, demeaning and unfair…unEQUAL.
Feminism was originally about having equality of opportunity, not equality of existence. No sane person is going to suggest that men and women are identical, and you’re setting up a straw man by suggesting that that’s what feminists believe. As if there’s any one thing that all feminists believe, anyway!
I believe that all people should stand or fall based on their abilities, not their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?
So perhaps a distinction should be made between political feminism and the original philosophy of feminism? The ONLY thing I support is that I, as a woman, should have the chance to make my way on my own merit, and not be denied an opportunity simply on the basis that I don’t have a penis. Nor — and this is equally important — should I be granted an opportunity simply on the basis that I don’t have a penis.
Can you get behind *that*, or are you still going to say that I secretly have some kind of agenda?
doug: I have in mind women not only not working when children are infants, but also not working more than part time afterwards at least until they are all away at school.
Again, I agree wholeheartedly.
Part time working out of the home being preferable.
This is my own intention, as one facet of my work is something that can be handled this way.
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Dude, I thought the very existence of housewives represented the final word in the contemptible feminist indoctrination of the American male.
Get a job, useless eaters! And quit popping out kids, for the sake of Christ on the Cross!
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Anonymous
That’s a current American ideology, and is far too extreme. It’s also a highly female one. Yes couples that have children should take parenting very seriously, and it inevitably becomes a large part of your lives, but having your whole life revolve around your children, particularly for men but for some degree for women too, is not healthy, even for the children. They need good role models, and parents who are living their own rich and diverse and rewarding lives, overcoming adversity, and so on.
I’m generally in agreement with this anonymous (please adopt some screen name for here, ok, to keep you straight from others). However trivializing sex differences by saying they amount to having a penis or not is absurd. The endocrine systems are different and those have profound effects beginning in the womb, and extend to somewhat different brain structures, different personality ranges and types, and different levels of emotion, and different sorts of drives, in part. In fact they’re way men develop penises instead of vaginas in the first place, but the effects hardly stop there.
I definitely think you should have that chance and choice though.
However there is no question that our official national ideology is that women should not just in the exceptional case but in the general case be fully competitive with men in all fields in statistically verified ways, or anyway in all the ones seen as most desireable or powerful, and that that’s something terribly wrong if they aren’t quite. Consider the complaint about the scarcity of women in many of the sciences and engineering including in the faculties in our elite universities – i.e the complaint that Larry Summers addressed and whose completely reasonable and factually supported remarks lead to his forced resignation from President of Harvard.
I think that’s absurd, and not just in math related fields. It’s perfectly natural that women who have children will put more emphasis on that and less on their careers for a time, and often move to part time or no time work for awhile. (I’ll not here get into Summers musings that at the right bell curve tail of extreme mental abilities, women may not be as present as men, particularly but not only on the math side — though he’s right, the data do support that.)
Then we hear that there’s some crying need for “equal pay for equal work” on the strength of women earning on average 70% as much as men. Well women who never marry earn just as much as men who never do. Women earn less because on average they often pursue higher stutus and more “fun” or more caregiving jobs as opposed to higher stress and sometimes higher danger (or dirty, etc.) jobs than pay more. Particularly women with high or solid earning husbands often do not so long after marriage. Men don’t really have that option. It’s socially very much looked down on, and actually is between the couple in most relationships as well, if the man doesn’t earn more. That’s especially the case if the reason he doesn’t is that he doesn’t want to work as long or as hard as his wife does. I’m not complaining about this last, I’m just pointing it out — and think men should get more recognition for it than they do.
In addition women on average have shorter and more interrupted careers, because of motherhood. Actually I think this should be more true than it is, and that that would make more women happy. But economic presssures, created in large part by all the women now in the workplace and competition for decent houses in very good school districts, etc., make this more difficult than it would be if it were more of a social norm among the highly educated.
Men in general in most marriages have tougher burdens on them. A lot of women in fact complain about “workaholic” husbands while very much wanting the lifestyle all that work of his, but much less of hers, brings. But you’d never know this listening to our media or educational establishments, where the burdens on women are the only thing that’s emphasized and any lopsided cases against them taken as typical.
Women tend to have really high burdens when they chose to be single moms. Yeah I said choose, maybe straight up like these predator sluts, or more often by the type of man they had insufficiently protected sex with, and then, surprise, surprise, that type doesn’t stick around. There used to be all kinds of cultural messages, just inundating ones, about the responsibilities of good girls in avoiding those kinds of guys. Now it’s all men’s fault according to our culture and media and not the hapless single mom’s at all; or anyway, it’s a cardinal sin to “blame the ‘victim'”. No I’m not talking about all kinds of alphas, but rather a certain type.
I will say though that your emphasis on bearing your fair share of the burden as part of why you think women excelling in the workplace should be not just allowed but celebrated is the best side of that position.
I think it should be allowed but much less celebrated than it is. I think it’s much better for society if men generally excel at lots of different kinds of work quite a lot more. I think they naturally do, but also should.
I also think we should stop trying to gender neutralize all jobs. I think women or maybe also gay men often naturally make better nurses and that there should be NO efforts to try to change or keep changing the gender mix there, or in the opposite direction among police officers. At the same time we should allow men to become nurses and some women to become cops.
I don’t want absolute “equity” in everything if by equity feminists really mean sameness or women doing better (which they never think there’s anything wrong with, no matter how much discrimination in women’s favor e.g. in school has been involved.) In fact if anything I think there should be soft affirmative action in men’s direction these days, in the sense of cultural and social support for there to be a tendency towards male primacy, rather than our culture working to undercut that and celebrate when it is at every turn.
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Fuckpig kvetched, “—lol. spoken like someone whose only interaction with white people comes from SWPLers, who deliberately try to have pride in themselves in favor of degrading themselves in front of non-white people,”
…which is most stupid American “White” people.
“or else the poorest of the poor people, who, no matter what color they are, have no idea of their ethnic heritage.”
Since when did being poor make someone ignorant of their ethnic heritage?
Oh that’s right…this is like when you were complaining about Black whores falling all over you, and thinking that just because you attract crack smoking skank who will shoot cab drivers in the head for a hit, Black women in general think you’re attractive.
Heh.
“Kindly go to Boston on St. Patrick’s Day or New York on Columbus Day to have your worldview rocked, warpig.”
No need for me to go all the way to Boston. I have Irish friends here.
One of them just told me to tell you to go fuck yourself about the poor thing.
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OMW–
Throughout most of Western history most women did bring in some income one way or another. They weren’t the primary breadwinners or nearly equal ones to be sure; they had other roles and duties as you point out. But they did do some lighter farm work, in the garden perhaps or milking etc., or help through cottage industries of one type or another, or around the workshop. Or helped with lodgers, etc.
The model was different for rich women however, and as modernity dawned, lots of the middle classes aspired to that model.
Something analogous today would be to have part time work, other than times when there are infants or maybe very young children also. Though that wouldn’t be incompatible with certain kinds of part time work from home.
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It is problematic that work has been severed from the home, indeed.
Leaves a rather artificial and hard-to-bridge chasm between productive labor and a satisfying home life.
Telecommuting was supposed to be the Next Big Thing on that front, but I can’t see that it has panned out that way for your average Jane. Hmmm.
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Anonymous–
I gotta say I like that turn of phrase A. And it’s a sweet thing when a daughter feels that way about her father. (How big was your family anyway? 😉 )
it will tend to make her much better LTR/marriage material for sure. (But still get a pre-nup guys.)
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Oh, so because men do it it’s okay for women to behave the same way?
That’s one way of looking at it, Sara I, but you are forgetting the consequences – these women are looking to get pregnant and have a child, irrespective of the cost to anyone else.
You are so dumb. Sorry, I can’t help it. There is such a thing as EMOTIONAL cost nit wit. Look up a few court cases and you’ll find that compensation for emotional damages can far outweigh compensation for financial damages. If you were a women, you’d understand, but you’re a long, long, long, way from that apparently. A healthy feminine women feels hurt, used, and insulted being used as a sperm receptacle with zero recognition of her humanity, and if it happens enough you end up with many women who you then have to deal with.
Children need two parents of either gender to have the best chance of success (statistically speaking, of course – there are always exceptions), and a phalanx of women behaving like men and doing their damnedest to breed because they have a biological imperative to do so is not going to provide children with the optimum environment.
Children need 18 parents. because the two they usually have are too fucked up to do anything other than fuck the kids up in their very own special way. I have a daughter, so I should know. Still there is the love and her and I have it for each other. Plus she’s smart and fantastic regardless of her faults or mine or her dad’s. Such is life and you deal with it. BTW pump and dump doesn’t either have a great effect on the children either. That’s my point exactly.
Sure, we’ve got that biological need, but by the time a woman’s in her 30s she should have the smarts to think things through a bit more responsibly and not plan any “accidents.”
“I want to do that because he does it” is not any sort of logical or reasonable defence/excuse.
Well, honey, neither are pump and dumps. Such is life. I’m just sick of the multitude of cry baby’s who gather here who can’t handle the consequences of their own actions. They’re always crying “FOUL”. Well take it up with the Universal Manager! They think they’re plaintive wails are going to change things? Now, that is funny.
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Written like a truly fucked up mother. Can’t handle marriage, can’t handle parenthood…
All too typical these days.
I feel sorry for your daughter.
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Anonymous, see this is what I mean about Sara’s Manian translator being broken. She doesn’t understand that admitting any imperfection whatsoever means that one is totally worthless in Manian.
…which is to say, men often claim to be more logical, but are equally catty when someone challenges their preconceptions.
This is why, after testing the waters, I tend to calibrate my level of civility accordingly. Men who are intimidated rather than just perhaps annoyed, resort to feminine defensive strategies that are already repellant enough in females, but doubly so in males.
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warpig, being waprig:
“Since when did being poor make someone ignorant of their ethnic heritage?”
—yes, it is well known that people living generations in trailer parks and on the welfare dole are experts at their genealogy. Hobos and crack babies are great sources on ethnic history.
Or perhaps generations of stupidity have wiped all semblance of knowledge from them, including heritage.
Your call, ugly.
“crack smoking skank who will shoot cab drivers in the head for a hit,
—-Isn’t that *all* black women?
“Black women in general think you’re attractive.”
— I was turning that whole “oh, well, black women don’t find white men attractive” pretty lie inside out by using facts. But hey, continue living in fantasy land, fattie.
“No need for me to go all the way to Boston. I have Irish friends here.”
—-No, you have SWPLer friends, ones who will tell you how awful their race is and how great yours is.
Because Irish people—not your SWPLers—- have knowledge about their heritage, which, again, completely explodes your little “white people have no knowledge about their heritage/ethnic pride” bullshit.
“One of them just told me to tell you to go fuck yourself about the poor thing.”
—And this clinches it. Warpig is probably at some poetry slam party while writing this, with her fat ass in a sarong so she can do an interpretative belly dance in the vain hope that some hipster will take her twice-divorced ass home for a spin.
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Kthulah, what are those “feminine defensive strategies”?
I want to make sure I don’t have any.
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Dave from Hawaii – This is the very dark heart of the current gender war.
Men, in our very basic nature, want a woman who NEEDS US.
Nothing inspires a man more than a loving, sweet woman that DEPENDS on him.
…..You missed the entire point I made. Men NEED women to be dependent on them.
Classic Beta White boy rationale.
That’s embarrassing. I’d support feminism over that pathetic way of thinking any day.
Beta males with that mentality need to leave the human females alone and get a dog.
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“—yes, it is well known that people living generations in trailer parks and on the welfare dole are experts at their genealogy. Hobos and crack babies are great sources on ethnic history.”
If trailer park residents, hobos and crack babies are your idea of “poorest of the poor”, then you don’t know any Irish people. Some of them are among the few who could outdo my grandmother in the, “We were so poor that…” stories.
…and yet somehow, this never made them forget who they are. Funny that.
So is it your opinion that poor people are somehow magically incapable of remembering their heritage, or not? You keep moving the goalposts, so it’s difficult to keep up with your innanity…or insanity, take your pick.
“Or perhaps generations of stupidity have wiped all semblance of knowledge from them, including heritage.
Your call, ugly.”
My being ugly to you or not, has nothing to do with it. It’s a matter of unrelated opinion that you’re bringing up to attempt to obscure the issue, but neither I nor a good proportion of the posters here share your low IQ or your resulting over simplistic view of race or poverty, Deliverance posterboy.
If you yourself aren’t trailer trash, you should thank the compassion of your parents that you, the apparent intellectual ugly ducking son of your betters, didn’t end up as such.
…though with the economy as it is, there’s still the chance that whatever job you do will become redundant because the company and the nation can no longer afford to carry the laggers of any perceived “race”.
So to the rest of your blathering, the only answer I have is again, go fuck yourself. You sound like a descendent of Slav-Anglo bastards who were heaved out of the UK because you were a nuisance, and still are such in Ireland today…so invested in your perceived superiority that you don’t even know what you believe, except that it has to be that you’re better than everybody else. Get your own culture.
@Willard, see lurker’s posts for details of how not to respond to someone you disagree with.
First, figure out whether you’re actually disagreeing, or knee jerking because someone tipped your holy cow.
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omw: Telecommuting was supposed to be the Next Big Thing on that front, but I can’t see that it has panned out that way for your average Jane. Hmmm.
Nor Average Joe, either. I think it’s being hindered mostly by scared middle managers, usually the kind who are prone to micromanaging. Its time will come, but not just yet.
doug: but having your whole life revolve around your children, particularly for men but for some degree for women too, is not healthy, even for the children.
Doug, I said the adults’ *whims* should be secondary, not that their lives should revolve around the children. Those are two different things.
I grew up with the direct message from my parents that adults > children. They called the shots, always. We knew our place in the pecking order and it gave us a sense of structure and security.
My father was in the military and it showed. We might not always have enjoyed that, but we did benefit from it.
I gotta say I like that turn of phrase A. And it’s a sweet thing when a daughter feels that way about her father. (How big was your family anyway?
Father, mother, older brother and me.
One of my father’s primary lessons was that virtue is not gender-based: virtue is virtue for all, as are strength and independence, and all those other admirable qualities that seem to have fallen out of fashion recently. And you do what’s right because you know it’s right, not because you might get caught if you don’t. Additionally, if you *do* choose to do not-right, then take the consequences like a man. (Yes, that goes for women, too; there’s nothing unfeminine about facing the music.)
However trivializing sex differences by saying they amount to having a penis or not is absurd.
Clearly men and women are different on a number of different levels — I’m not contesting that, and the use of presence or absence of a penis is but shorthand for the purposes of this discussion: you know precisely what I mean by it, and we agree on that point.
Differences notwithstanding, the majority of qualities valued in a grown-up should be present in both sexes. And currently I think that’s required of women less than it is of men, and of all of us less than it once was. Which is to everyone’s detriment.
it will tend to make her much better LTR/marriage material for sure. (But still get a pre-nup guys.)
I also think that pre-nups should be strengthened to the point that they can’t be contested post-divorce. Barring some significant change of circumstance not accounted for in the original document, the original document should be iron-clad.
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Anonymous, are you an idiot?
No, I’m Irish.
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“If you yourself aren’t trailer trash, you should thank the compassion of your parents that you, the apparent intellectual ugly ducking son of your betters, didn’t end up as such.”
I wish I would have lived in a trailer park. They all pay rent. There is no trailer trash. They are hated because they found a way to escape opression from government moving people to move near them.
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Any imperfection at all? Oh really?
How about initiating two divorces and having a long-term, unstable extramarital relationship while raising a girl…
Sara’s just a trashy woman. Plenty of them out there. Too bad she’s setting this kind of example for her daughter, whom she evidently prefers to foist off on others. “Children need 18 parents” my ass. Only if they’ve got a lazy mother who just does what she pleases whenever she pleases. Reminds me of those ghetto mamas who drop their kids off at the local library then go out and get their nails done. Meanwhile, librarians and citizens alike get to deal with their kids for free.
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Gunslinger, that is actually a very good point about the “trailer trash” thing. Forgive my annoyance with lurker allowing me to use shortcuts when I should have just used the more accurate “working poor”.
Anonymous, you really have no idea what kind of example Sara sets for her daughter. Granted, neither do I, and the reason I don’t is because I don’t have enough information to say. I don’t live in her home. Do you?
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Holy Smokes. Today’s Gold-digger of the day award goes to Marie Douglas-David. “the couple signed a postnuptial agreement giving Ms Douglas-David $43 million should they divorce. Mr David, 67, was accused in court of coercing her to sign it by preying upon her fears of being divorced and childless.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5945856.ece
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[i]…because it’s pointless to have sex with somebody who isn’t interested in having sex. It’s patronizing and disrespectful, …[/i]
“Isn’t interested in having sex” is not synonymous with “isn’t interested in having an orgasm”.
One of the very coolest things about a chick like this is that during one of those times, you don’t have to “perform”. You do what YOU want, for however long YOU want, and get off when YOU want. It’s all about YOU. And that, my friends, is a very liberating thing to have. 🙂
If you want to last 30 seconds, last 30 seconds. If you want to last an hour, last an hour. In other words, it’s times like this that are purely for YOUR pleasure.
If you have never done this, try it. I guarantee it will change your outlook on such things.
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fathery advice
(wait till end for identity)
from the “dad” that i never had, …
if he could have, (sobbing.. crying)
he’d sat me down and said ,
“Son, alongside your Bible (snickering),
ALWAYS keep a lil bottle of “TabasscoChili Super-Hotsauce” near…so when you are finished “Having Well-Protected”
one-eyed-Yogurt-pushups sponsored by “trojan-man” insert jingle here.)
True Confidence is yours.
and,
Shame on the alleged “predator-slut”, who took a few extra minutes to “freshen-up” by “Usurping the Protected Slurp!”
Is She TRUELY Refreshed or just RED with orgasmic-glee
from the fake orgasm she just delivered….for the last time.
the 2 lovers part ways…
and cut to…
The End!
thats a wrap!
So with that cleaver bit of advice, i bring you back the topic at hand:
Tom…BLOW ME the F-UP already!
with a… bong-toke- with a sexy-charged
“Hey girls, LOOK at the size of his Boner, it’s sooo HUGE…”
from the busty cheerleaders/oil wrestling Girls that playfuly fight over me….all clothes tearing off
wow what a”pipe”dream….
warmest regards,
your lost son, student and fire-breathing devotee
Mr. NJS
please give this letter to Tom Lykes
who is still working hard somewhere!!!
waz up TOM!!!!
LA radio and klsx sucks so bad, i cant even joke…
I really miss you…DAD!
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ok, this is my first axiom, due to new supporting evidence.
el chief axiom #1
if a woman brings up STD tests or birth control pills on a date, your odds of fucking her raw dog are 100%
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http://malechauvinist.blogspot.com/2009/10/dont-donate-sperm.html
thousands of guys are hit up after they’ve donated sperm, and i don’t mean in the actual pump/dump strategy…like they went to a gdamn clinic, signed an agreement forking over their parental rights, help out some woman or some woman and her “partner” (read lesbian lover)….and then the woman later sues the guy….for money….while denying him his parental rights for years…..wow.
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[…] I value my freedom very highly; enough I’d die or go into permanent exile to protect it, and I make sure this is well known. I figure they do this sort of thing because they picture white picket fence futures; destroy that image, and the danger fades into insignificance. …… from the busty cheerleaders/oil wrestling Girls that playfuly fight over me….all clothes tearing off wow what a”pipe”dream…. warmest regards, your lost son, student and fire-breathing devotee …Continue […]
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Does anyone here realize that child support is not some kind of punishment for men or reward for women? It’s to protect the child, the only one in the situation who didn’t make a stupid decision. Children deserve a fair chance, and that means the financial support of two parents, even if they only (sadly) get the emotional support of one. But it isn’t hard to see from all of these posts that you are all clouded from reason by your own selfishness. In fact, I hope to the good Lord that none of you ever procreate. It would be a disservice to humanity.
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Two condoms are more likely to create friction against each other and rip. If I saw a guy doubling it up, I’d run far, far away.
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just saw this on instapundit, maybe you can give him a roissylanche
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/115043/
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