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March 18, 2009 by CH

Why is it the biggest engagement rings are always found on the hands of women over 30? Who are these beta schmoes spending a fortune on rings for women with only a few years of primo fuckability left?

Discuss.

Posted in Marriage Is For Chumps, Ridiculousness, Vanity | 146 Comments

146 Responses

on March 18, 2009 at 12:07 pm Maciano

They love them.

And women love diamonds.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:09 pm lehuster

Obviously, they’re dating older guys who have more money to spend on a ring.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:12 pm Aenigma

Because THEY ARE betas. They see the woman as the prize instead of themselves so they try to prove their love to the women because they feel inferior to them.

Additional reasons:
-They see their “provider ability” as their main point of value- so need to show it to both their woman and soceity.

-They’re brainwashed into thinking that this is “the right thing to do” and go with the flow.

-The woman demands it and they don’t have the self confidence to say no to her expectations (back to beta)
out of fear of loss.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:12 pm omw

Normal 20somethings who do get engaged generally get engaged to other youngish guys who can’t afford huge rocks.

They show off their cute little chip-ring like it’s the Hope Diamond though… so funny and sweet.

They’re livin’ on love!

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:13 pm Aenigma

Edit: Should read: “Prove their love AND worth” (the only thing they offer is the material)

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:15 pm DF

Who are these beta schmoes spending a fortune on rings for women with only a few years of primo fuckability left?

High IQ whites. Wait, what?

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:15 pm Thursday

As betas get older they:

a) have more money; and
b) have to date older women.

As women get older, they:

a) date older men and get showered with material stuff from the men they date; and
b) have more money from their own career,

so they tend to expect a higher level lifestyle.

Since these betas don’t have much else going for them and don’t have the option of dating younger women less accustomed to a certain lifestyle, they tend to spend a lot on their women.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:18 pm Michael Wears a Hat

Not really all that complex, as other people on here said. Older men have the money to spend, and the ones who marry young women are too alpha to waste money on giant rocks.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:19 pm Thursday

Normal 20somethings who do get engaged generally get engaged to other youngish guys who can’t afford huge rocks.

The shorter and more succint version of my long winded comment. Well put.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:21 pm Peter

As women get older, their earning potential increases, so their standards of value for gifts increases proportionally.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:22 pm The C Manifesto

This post is weak sauce. Now I’m off to swoop G Manifesto’s mom.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm Carl Sagan

Because bitches love bling.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:25 pm Seeking Alpha

I hope this isn’t all we get today.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:27 pm Bhetti

“Seeking Alpha

I hope this isn’t all we get today.”

Yeah, roissy, it doesn’t even take the edge off. I’m gettin’ the shakes. I need my dose of roissyhatelove or I’m going to start having seizures soon.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:28 pm Methinks

Frankly, if she’s halfway successful, there’s a good chance she bought it herself, or at least paid for a substantial chunk of it.

I’d like to think that most men who’d marry a 30+ year old woman would be older themselves and either:

1. have the means to purchase a large ring without really feeling the pinch (cost is relative, remember)

2. Have been through the mill enough with younger women not to be pressured into wasting a large chunk of disposable income on a trifle.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:28 pm Bhetti

Also, what Thursday said. End of discussion.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:34 pm lurker

If she’s found a guy dumb enough to marry her, she’s found a guy dumb enough to bitch into buying the ring she wants.

I once dated a girl for quite a while about whom I was quite serious. We openly talked of marriage Then, one day, she starts telling me and showing me pictures of rings she likes.

That stopped me cold. A woman should be happy with whatever ring a guy gets her, considering he’s offering his life to her. If she truly loves him, she wouldn’t care if it was from a cracker jack box. But she was all about what she wanted, not what I could afford or about the marriage itself.

I broke up with her shortly afterwards. She never saw it coming. But I did; any chick that money-grubbing and self-centered isn’t worth my time.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:36 pm Seeking Alpha

Bhetti – for someone who makes up 40% of recent comments, that’s cute.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:36 pm Sam Midhurst

Betas in their thirties and forties who feel the social pressure to marry.

Oh yeah, that and EVERLASTING LOVE.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:40 pm Anonymous

If someone gave you a piece of jewelry that you are expected to wear for the rest of your life, it should be one that you like.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:42 pm agnostic

Older women have long left the stage in life where dating and mating are about love, connections, and having fun. Their brain expects them to have had children already, so they’ve switched to settling down and procuring material support for their family.

A ripe 17 year-old couldn’t care less how much you spend on her, as long as you do occasionally buy her stuff. Search my blog for “wet seal,” where I compared the cost of dating a teenager vs. an over-25 woman.

Upshot of it: you need to spend about an order of magnitude more on the older woman to get her defenses down, long-term. To get the teenager hot and bothered, you just need to buy her a hot dog at the mall and pay for her rented roller skates.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:43 pm Thursday

BTW anyone else not how cheap dating gets once you learn a bit of game. I am in total sympathy with Roosh’s quest to see how little he can spend on women.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:44 pm Sparks123

Betas in their thirties and forties who feel the social pressure to marry.

Oh yeah, that and EVERLASTING LOVE.

Are you on the take from De Beers?

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:49 pm Bhetti

Seeking Alpha: that’s true. I posted it, then I realised how completely superfluous it was. I can’t even stop myself from writing this. It’s an addiction. I’m telling myself it’s an addiction. I’m telling myself I should go do something else. But I’m not.

By all means, commenters can continue to keep saying how over the over discussion is. But that doesn’t change the lack of roissyness.

Right, seriously, I need to only comment when I have something REALLY important to say and check roissy’s page only once or twice a weekday.

Except for the constant refreshes looking out for my hawtkyo. Those don’t count.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:51 pm ironrailsironweights

Women over 30 are more likely to have GNP’s, and men reward them by getting larger diamonds.

Peter

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:53 pm Firepower

these beta fiances are at the height of their earning powers.

they realize that even this is not enough to stop the gaping maw of their bitch trophies gobbling up young man meat

cougar style.

big rings are a “hands off” sign to Jeremies and Jordies when the chump beta is slaving away at the firm at 7pm every night

Brandons can’t afford big rox.

SEE HOUSEWIVES OF ORANGE COUNTY

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:54 pm Odette de Crecy

Two 30 something brides I know actually subsidized their fiances’ purchases of their humungo engagement rings. The lucky couples spent several weekends at the various jewelry stores of Manhattan before deciding which one to get. Both brides have higher paying, more prestigious jobs than their fiances.

Very spontaneous and romantic, I agree.

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on March 18, 2009 at 12:59 pm Wounded Animal

Another stupid phenomenon: huge, over-the-top weddings for these older couples. I’ve seen two of them lately. What a spectacle. Dad, in his late 60’s and trying to enjoy the fruits of a life at the grindstone browbeaten by mom into ponying up for his almost-unmarriageable daughter; bridesmaids, excuse me, bridesmatrons with crows feet and at least 30 pounds overweight; slightly embarrassed friends standing around with their kids grinding their teeth at having to pony up for “gifts” to two professional people; everybody praying the couple doesn’t tempt fate with a pregnancy…

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:02 pm Maciano

I kind of dig women around and a little over 30, especially the well-preserved kind. They’re pretty relaxed about sex.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:03 pm whiskey

Spending a lot of money on a ring is a waste of money. It’s an object. It’s not the marriage. Same goes for the big, elaborate wedding which is really just a big exhibitionistic party for the bride.

You could use that money to pay the down for a house.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:04 pm Seeking Alpha

It’s okay Bhetti, I forgive you. Just promise a couple tips for good kebab and hookah next time I come to London.

I actually lived right near a largely Arabic section for a couple months.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:06 pm Gomer's Pile

There is never any need to spend over $1500 on a ring. Smaller is better.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:10 pm Tim Price

HOLY SHIT! You’re right. And it seems the “best” married women (the ones I’d like to do/steal/run away with) all have small rocks. The 2+carat harpies are also the toughest to stomach.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:12 pm omw

I think agnostic’s take is very interesting. At 19, you’d be kind of pissed and embarrassed if some 40-year-old guy bought you a giant rock… like he was trying to buy you or something.

Over-the-top gifts make you feel uncomfortable; they’re such an obvious sign of manipulation. “I’m not a prostitute, you know?!”

But if you were 35, you’d feel a little embarrassed and angry and betrayed if the same 40-year-old financee tried to cheap out, reassuring you that a cheap ring “is just as much a symbol of love” as the flawless solitaire you were hoping for.

In a normal human society, he would have given her half-a-dozen kids and a house by now; a decent rock seems like the least he could do.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:13 pm RagTag

Roissy how big of a ring do you recommend? Or do you plan to adopt and/or remain single for all time?

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:14 pm z

You are socially expected to spend TWO MONTHS SALARY on an engagement ring. This is the “accepted” norm by “consensus”.

The DeBeers company (Oppenheimer family) did a huge public marketing campaign back in the 1920’s to instill this social artefact into the heads of men and women alike.

It has stuck, of course, and some women (hint) will remind you of this obligation when you are out looking for an engagement ring. So, if you make 4K a month, you are expected to spend 8K for a ring. Yes, I know……….its bullshit. Well-marketed bullshit. The marketing was wonderful in it put social pressure upon YOU to just “come up with the money”, and thus took the attention off the damned product, which is oft-not well set, has imperfections, is on lower carat gold bands, etc. I think Industrially-made diamonds are better anyway and there is no “artificial shortage” of those.

Not to rub ol’ Half-Sigma’s nose in it, but I have to admit that Levi Johnston’s getting a tatoo on his finger is more of a “sacraficial” act than simply plunking down $500 bucks (2 months of HIS salary in all probability) for a cheaper ring. I wonder if Bristol thought about that when he was using that finger to hit her G-spot in the back of those presidential limos? “My name is on that shit”, etc?

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:15 pm Hardcore

For chicks of Alphas, an engagement pearl necklace should suffice. And, yeah, by pearl necklace I mean a thick wad of spooge around her clavicle.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:21 pm Wounded Animal

In a normal human society, he would have given her half-a-dozen kids and a house by now; a decent rock seems like the least he could do.

The typical 35+ yo bride is single by choice from what I’ve seen, concentrating grimly on career and the means to indulge in exotic travel. Then they hit their late 30’s and start to panic. Not sure why such women would feel entitled to a large, expensive diamond.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:22 pm cz

akin to omw’s comment….

Groom to be of 30+ bride is buying for different reasons than Prince Charming.

Take the young guy: A guy like that scoring a white wedding, even if he’s from a good family or fortunate or skilled or aggressive or whatever enough to get a big rock, might throttle back for caution’s sake + not wanting to make her feel like a prostitute; huge rock as offense to the community e.g. “Goddamn overconfident show-offs!!” Or, if he’s broke, well, he’s gotta show some balls and take a loan to keep up with the Jones’ but still, he doesn’t have to knock himself out.

Meanwhile, Mr. 30+ is seen as part savior, part well deserved glass of water after a long trek in the desert, part oh that’s nice. There’s a different vibe at such weddings. It’s like, ok, this is how the adults do it. The couple is more sovereign; the wedding has less community input. Grooms in such instances are expected to be completely independent and of means –otherwise why would the bride have waited so long for him?

You see, the huge rock is to buy-off the following inference to that last question: no reason. There was no good reason for the bride to wait that long.

Which leads to the following inferences: maybe it was her fault it took so long; maybe she was a slut; maybe she was wasting time; maybe she shouldn’t have majored in woman’s studies.

Now, she could be like Job, blameless (this is a theoretical point), but there’s still the Job’s neighbors problem, e.g., well, gee, he must have done something wrong to have such bad luck. The gods of the community standing must be appeased with a sacrifice.

Or, think of it the other way ’round. How sad would it be to see the old girl get married sans deserving a white dress, sans having a still strong father figure give her away, sans young prince charming, sans her own good looks, and, and, AND with a puny ring? It’s too much for the community to bear. Too much truth. It would take real believers in redemption and life to be really full of joy at that wedding/for that marriage. It might take such even with a big ring, but, like a spoonful of sugar, the big ring makes that medicine go down easier.

Young couples for the most part don’t need such sugar cause the medicinal aspects of the institution of marriage are so overwhelmed at the time with the sheer, raw, manifest power of healthy young sexuality. Everyone knows this. Wedding with young healthy couples are just better.

The large rock is penance; the groom is paying a fine on her behalf –maybe it’s her fault, maybe it’s her dad’s, her mom’s some influential teacher, society at large, no matter. Some one blew it that she had to wait to get married so long. The groom buys the ring to redeem her, whether she deserves it or not. The assumption is, of course, that she must deserve it, otherwise he wouldn’t marry her.

Finally, maybe she doesn’t deserve it. Maybe it is all a scam. Nevertheless the couple can be in good faith in their hopes for one or two kids shortly down the road, and that should be cause for celebration, cause to pay the fine. Marriage is yet the traditional, and best, institution to keep the human race going.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm z

Whiskey,

Amen. Thats exactly what I think. Spending 1500 bucks instead of 5K will give you 3500 for some furniture purchases, or extra to put down on the house, or honeymooning somewhere you really want to go, your next downpayment on a car or minivan if you have kids………….Its as sensless as paying 5,000 for a watch when your cell phone has a clock on it and is with you all the time anyway. A $100 watch looks just as nice from any sort of distance. I never understand these things.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm omw

Yes, and why DO we have to bring gifts to the marriage of two thirty-ish yuppies?

They can’t possibly need a new wine rack or another toaster.

The last one I attended, the couple begged people not to bring anything, as they had too much stuff (and probably much nicer stuff than their guests would give) already.

Seemed a lot classier to me. Though other people brought gifts anyway. Duh.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm Seeking Alpha

You are socially expected to spend TWO MONTHS SALARY on an engagement ring. This is the “accepted” norm by “consensus”.

Is that pre-tax or after-tax? Does that include bonus or is it just salary?

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:26 pm Firepower

brevity, the soul of wit

except

here

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:28 pm IA_

I like talking with old people. A couple of interesting facts, diamond engagement rings did not used to be the norm (grandparents and great grandparents day.) Women used to receive rings with their birth stone.

Also white wedding dresses were not common at all. People just wore their nicest outfits. Brown and Navy suit dresses were common in the early part of the decade until Queen Elizabeth’s wedding in the 40s set the precedent of white dresses.

DeBeers essentially bribed the film industry so that every time a boy proposes to a girl he surprises her, gets on one knee, the whole spiel. Used to be the man and wife would discuss this, go ring shopping together. If it is a question between two responsible adults about a little bling or a big down payment on a house which would be the more reasonable choice? With the surprise method if a man surprises her with a ring to small she may make him buy a larger one, but if its too big she won’t make him take it back in return for a larger nest egg. Those people running DeBeers were marketing geniuses.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:29 pm jkc

good point. and what about pre-tax 401k contributions? answers, people.

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:30 pm 100 Miles and Running

“Spending a lot of money on a ring is a waste of money. It’s an object. It’s not the marriage. Same goes for the big, elaborate wedding which is really just a big exhibitionistic party for the bride.

You could use that money to pay the down for a house.”

Yea, verily. Starve the wedding industry. And the engagement ring industry too. They are parasitical. If you are going to spend money on stuff these days, buy gold, silver, brass and lead. As well as brass and lead delivery systems. Supplies too. And don’t buy a just a home, buy a homestead. SHTF is coming…

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:35 pm Sam Midhurst

Are you on the take from De Beers?

No, but I watch hours and hours of cable TV, have a masters degree, a blackberry, a dog, and love to ‘travel.’

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on March 18, 2009 at 1:48 pm I Fuck Bitches

Bitches are for fucking. And that’s all they’re for.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:24 pm Chuck

Why is buying an engagement ring the custom now? What happened to the dowry provided by the bride’s family to soften the blow the groom takes by marrying their daughter?

I understand it’s custom for the bride’s family to pay for the wedding nowadays, but that hardly happens anymore yet the expected size of engagement rings keep inflating.

Yet another tradition distorted in favor of women.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:30 pm Virgin@40

They are so beta-ised that they really believe the women are that priceless, they, once “in love” with the girls or once they have realised that specific girl is the best he can have, do everything to get her around.

Actually, it’s a way to say to a women “thank you for loving me so much. You see how loving me is so, so good for you as well?”. It does not matter if it makes sense, what metter is that how we Betas see the world, or better, how the world is shown to the Betas.

I say this as a man, well, boy, who offered ear rings in the cost of 60€ to a female friend with whom I had no chance. This despite it was not supposed to offer her nothing in that ocasion, just hunging arround, and that the girl had a boyfriend who was there. The boyfriend did not offer her nothing. Nothing materially at least.

To a Beta, it is just the right thing to do, in our mind, we kind of uncousciously believe that we are buying their fidelity in this way. And to some minor extent, we are.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm lurker

wow, lame post. Sorry Roissy, needed to be said.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm Default User

Seeking Alpha

Is that pre-tax or after-tax? Does that include bonus or is it just salary?

Given that single women tend to vote for left of center policies, it should be after tax.

They vote for higher taxes, you get them a smaller ring.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:36 pm xsplat

just a home, buy a homestead. SHTF is coming

You said a mouthfull.

I’ve bought a few pregnant cows, a very small fishing boat, two motorcyles that I rent out, and will open a few other local businesses. All money will re-invest into secure holdings, such as more cows, small fish farm, rabbit farm, etc. I’m pulling all cash out of the bank, and investing new cash as I earn it. Cows grow faster than any bank interest, are nearly as liquid as cash in a bank, and much more secure.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:38 pm dana

please take a gander at this diamond billboard and throw up–my husband and i almost crashed and died driving by it

http://www.jckonline.com/blog/1950000195/post/1870041787.html

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:41 pm Silver Lone Wolf

side note to you monkeys…..

Have had solid game with ethnic dating sites…

ie, Hungarian, Romanian, Czech, Brazilian, etc.

These are extremely hard to find; most are the mail order nonsense or in foreign language.

HOWEVER, some are burried on “forums” (Chicago Czechs, NY Slavs, etc) via a page for classfieds/personals/dating.

Others are free UK/Canadian/Australian sites where these gals have posts and you use the english button to reply/translate.

You can post a free profile.

Most of these chicks are dating men in their community: plumbers, construction, small business. If you have a nice car pic or vacation pics on beach, they will be on you.

All you have to do, is do a state/city search and you have 10 Czech chicks wanting to date.

Granted, most only have 20-25 babes (not 1000+ of Match) however, these are real women, not shills/fake/etc….and most are under 25, if not in college.

Out of 20, 7 emailed me back and I have dated a few, and close to banging 1 after 2 weeks.

Just another tip from the Lone Wolf

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:47 pm jackson

Lurker,

Posting something every day, even if it is weak, trains your readers to keep coming back.

It’s good blogging practice.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:47 pm Kthulah

I prefer a ruby as an engagement ring. It’s more traditional outside of the U.S. and it’s not overly expensive to go over 2 carats. They’re also easier to find ethically. Worst case, someone with an old secret family mine dug it up and smuggled it to Thailand on a work trip.

Nowadays, many people don’t like mined diamonds, and are using good CZ or alternative stones like topaz, pale aquamarine, or zircon. So don’t let the size of the rocks fool you.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:49 pm jackson

Ktulah,

I prefer a ruby as an engagement ring.

A girl can dream.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:54 pm Howard Roark

Well, if its random thought day, here’s mine (provoked yesterday by a flood of drunk irish hooligans and their toothless she-pterodactyls): why are so few redheads pretty? Jesus H. Christ: bad teeth, bad skin, bad makeup… WTF? Don’t tell me its because there are fewer redheads in the population GENERALLY; I knew that. But of that smaller group, there is almost never a pretty face; I feel like maybe one in 100 redheads is a hot redhead. If their genes are truly vanishing, maybe its for the best. You have a better chance of catching a leprechaun wiping his ass with a four leaf clover than a natural redhead 7.5 or up.

As for the larger rock size: older women naturally select for (desperately hunt) beta providers whom they screen (pump and dump) until they find the one who buys them the big rock.

Of the kids I grew up with, the only hot girl that I know who got married early (before she was 25) is already divorced. She’s 29 now. I just bumped into her on the street with her new boyfriend.

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on March 18, 2009 at 2:54 pm Kthulah

Jackson, yeah, in the meantime, I just collect my own gems. 🙂

They don’t keep me warm at night, but it sure beats depending on creatures with a habit of replacing us when we “hit the wall”.

My first real wrinkle will probably be a rounded indentation above my right eyelid.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:03 pm xsplat

cz

Marriage is yet the traditional, and best, institution to keep the human race going.

Perhaps, but it won’t stave off the encroachment of the trans-humans.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:04 pm jackson

Kthulah,

A guy of your same age and attractiveness would probably stick around, if that’s what you wanted. Not every guy is Roissy.

Of course, you’re old enough to know this.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:05 pm jackson

Roark,

The Irish have had centuries of breeding while drunk. They have not been selecting for attractiveness.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:06 pm Pig Vomit

—My first real wrinkle will probably be a rounded indentation above my right eyelid.–

At least you won’t get any uglier!

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:09 pm Kthulah

Jackson, but I have more factors against me in Israel than age and attractiveness. Guys here have to marry within their tribe, and I’m “none of the above”.

So my best hope here is finding the one in millions who is an independent thinker who’s available. In the U.S. that was a matter of preference, but here it’s a matter of necessity.

To be really blunt about it, surprise-nazi #2 was a big hairy beastly programmer who was so nerdy he even had a lisp…but he is sure that he’s better than me.

Think Charles Manson with short dark hair.

Yeah…

If he thinks he’s better than me, then well…this is me opting out of Israeli men. Maybe I’ll get lucky and meet a nice guest worker.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:10 pm xsplat

Wounded

Not sure why such women would feel entitled to a large, expensive diamond.

Me neither. Men pay for youth and beauty, if they are a bit on the old side. A younger man never pays to purchase an older woman. if a woman aged 30+ is with a man less than 5 years her senior, she deserves no special favors for the priveledge of settling down.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:13 pm Chuck

Howard Roark:

Despite being a red head myself, I would have to agree. Although I’ll say that it’s more like 5 out of 100 female red heads are 7.5 and up.

Our relative unattractiveness is more correlated with our genetic heritage. We are English, Irish, Scottish, and those people are generally not all that attractive either. So, it’s not wholly the hair’s fault. Also, because we are of Celtic and Anglo Saxon origin, we are pale.

One thing you’re not aware of though is the age old adage of my crimson bretheren: “Red on the head, fire in the bed.” Redheads, men and women, can fuck for days, probably fueled by our internal anger over being picked on as children. Oh, and our dicks are bigger.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:16 pm jackson

Ktulah,

It’s obviously a lifestyle choice. I forget your backstory, and forgive me if I’m not interested, but you could be off the market in 6 months in Atlanta, perhaps with the help of Match.com or eHarmony.

But I’m guessing that, like David Alexander, you are one of those mysterious creatures that has no drive for romantic self-improvement, yet still hangs around a pickup blog anyway. Part of the scenery.

At least you guys keep comment threads going if nobody is around, and serve as an amusing target for n00bs to vent their frustration on before they realize that neither of you has the ability or desire to change.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:21 pm Kthulah

Jackson, I just have no desire to move…to uproot my daughter from the life she knows, and a rockin’ good school, for the sake of orgasms.

When she’s out of the army, I can think about moving back to the U.S. Then, she’ll be in the market for a husband too, and she’s unlikely as I am to find one among the cultural semi-sociopaths here.

I mean, you never know, but it’s doubtful.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:28 pm IA_

I happen to personally know two redheads that are 8s (one was a 9 in college.) Now that you mention it, since moving to this big city I haven’t seen any good looking redheads.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:33 pm IA_

Thinking about it I guess that is due to the unique history of the area. I guess the people who founded the Irish settlement here were good looking. Both of those girls are from native families.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:34 pm valiance

from slate.com: http://slate.com/id/2213435/
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How do I tell my boyfriend I think we’d have ugly babies?
Dear Prudence,
My boyfriend and I are in a healthy and loving relationship, and we are beginning to talk about marriage. We both want the same number of kids at the same point in our lives. It is presumed that these will be our biological children. The issue is, I’m not sure that I would want to bear my boyfriend’s children. While he is incredibly intelligent and has a great personality, he is markedly less physically attractive than I am. We get occasional lighthearted comments from friends and family about the discrepancy. Having biological children has never been important to me, and I think adoption is great. I believe that he will be an amazing father and that our children, biological or adopted, would be bright and well-behaved as a result of good parenting. Should I bring these thoughts up with him? I think he would be open to the idea of adoption but would also be hurt by my rationale. At what point should we discuss this more seriously, and how should I tell him how I feel?

—Skinny Bitch

Dear Skinny,
You’re wise to avoid the potential tragedy of reproducing with your boyfriend: Your children could get his looks and your personality. Perhaps your boyfriend’s already got an inkling of how you feel because of the Leonardo DiCaprio mask you ask him to wear when you make love. And although Brad and Angelina are both fecund and support adoption, I’m not sure they’re going to agree to place any of their future progeny with you just to help you avoid the embarrassment of having a child who looks like your boyfriend. I’m trying to imagine how you initiate this discussion with him. Something like: “I look forward to spending the rest of my life with you. But when it comes to having kids, I’m sure that if we adopt we’ll have a better shot of having decent-looking ones than if I let you impregnate me with your hideous sperm.” That should go over well! What’s supposed to happen when you are in love with someone (who also happens to be intelligent and have a great personality) is that you discover, despite objective measures, that person is beautiful to you. Your boyfriend sounds like a catch, so maybe you should toss him back so that he has a chance to find someone who’s not permanently stuck in the shallow end.

—Prudie

I don’t even know how to deal with this ridiculousness.

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on March 18, 2009 at 3:40 pm lurker

You guys are nuts. Redhead chicks do it for me like nothing else. A chick with red hair gets an extra 2 points from me—god I love fire down below. I’m a fiend for it.

Damn fine honeys.

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on March 18, 2009 at 4:07 pm jackson

Actual intelligent advice from Slate. Wow.

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on March 18, 2009 at 4:11 pm Sara I

Why is it the biggest engagement rings are always found on the hands of women over 30? Who are these beta schmoes spending a fortune on rings for women with only a few years of primo fuckability left?

You don’t marry women for “primo fuckability” as far as I know. Why marry a good fuck if that’s all it is? The Italian married probably because he’s old, broke and losing appeal and she has property, hence the tiny diamond ring. A big diamond may be “thanks” for her being “the wind beneath his wings” inspiring him to make all that money for the big diamond ring in the first place. Occasionally women are good for more than tight juicy sphincters or dripping vaginas. Only occasionally.

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on March 18, 2009 at 4:24 pm Gunslingergregi

“on March 18, 2009 at 12:27 pm Bhetti
“Seeking Alpha

I hope this isn’t all we get today.”

Yeah, roissy, it doesn’t even take the edge off. I’m gettin’ the shakes. I need my dose of roissyhatelove or I’m going to start having seizures soon.”

Funny as hell. Hope you were joking.

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on March 18, 2009 at 4:36 pm Gunslingergregi

Still on topic on what else you could get with the ring money lol

“on March 18, 2009 at 2:36 pm xsplat
just a home, buy a homestead. SHTF is coming

You said a mouthfull.

I’ve bought a few pregnant cows, a very small fishing boat, two motorcyles that I rent out, and will open a few other local businesses. All money will re-invest into secure holdings, such as more cows, small fish farm, rabbit farm, etc. I’m pulling all cash out of the bank, and investing new cash as I earn it. Cows grow faster than any bank interest, are nearly as liquid as cash in a bank, and much more secure.”

Remember one hectare of rice field. Feeds everyone you know includes friends, family, give the shit away at least rice and it can be stored. How much space do the cows “need” and can I feed them rice stalks?

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on March 18, 2009 at 4:46 pm gig

“This post is weak sauce. Now I’m off to swoop G Manifesto’s mom“.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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on March 18, 2009 at 4:53 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

Heh… if I ever find a woman who genuinely doesn’t want an engagement ring, I’ve found marriage material. That’s like the most difficult shit-test a man could ever give a woman.

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on March 18, 2009 at 5:13 pm xsplat

Gun

Remember one hectare of rice field. Feeds everyone you know includes friends, family, give the shit away at least rice and it can be stored. How much space do the cows “need” and can I feed them rice stalks?

Yes, I’m looking for a small plot to lease or purchase for rice, and perhaps a fish pond. Some rabbit hutches could be placed over the fish pond, as their droppings act as fish food and pond plant fertilizer. Rabbits browse on a wide variety of vegetation, gain weight as fast as pigs, and their meat fetches a premium price. They also sell as pets. Some people have been successful letting them browse under the trees in coconut plantations, so once I get a population of rabbits, i could let them breed on various farmers properties, and share the offspring. From what I recall you get a litter of 6 in a 2 month gestation, and rabbits are at breeding age in just 6 months. I have a single white female now – as I could only find rabbits sold as pets, at a young age. I think she’s ready for humping. That will be a treat to see her nurse new littlluns. Baby rabbits are endearing.

The cows get fed on local grasses, cut from roadsides and fields and brought in by a low cost laboror, corn husks, and a bit of corn cob. Rice stalks are useless as animal feed – i think not even goats will touch it. The fees for food and storage for my cows are minimal – partly because they are on my girlfriends families land, and they already care for some cows.

I’ll be hiring someone to run my fishing boat shortly. Actually, we’ll just share in his catch, and sell it in local streetside markets.

My plan for the cows is to make cheese from the milk.

So I’ll soon have cow cheese, and ocean fish, and eventually will have goaat cheese, beef, goat meat, lake fish, rabbits, ducks, and rice, under production. Who knows, maybe I can use some produce as ingredients for a pizza and hamburger joint one day.

In any case, just the feeling of having that brand of money – edible money that self-replicates – that is a feeling of security.

As an entrepreneur I’ve made and lost my fortunes. Nothing feels more stable than investing in farming. Slow, steady, secure, and tasty. Actually, the returns can be very good – between 100% and 300% per year, depending on the product and market prices.

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on March 18, 2009 at 5:29 pm Anonymous

Sara I

…Occasionally women are good for more than tight juicy sphincters or dripping vaginas. Only occasionally.

Well somebody has to make dinner after all that sphinctering and dripping stuff…

…Of course there is always dial-a-pizza.

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on March 18, 2009 at 5:50 pm ode to the married man

Why do you look at rings? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a ring, other than the ones held up to me for viewing.

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on March 18, 2009 at 5:51 pm tunacanman

Get the extra large cubit zirconias! good enough till she checks it out. by then you can dump and move on to the next cougar..

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on March 18, 2009 at 5:57 pm tunacanman

ginger kids are evil!
dont fool yourself redheads!

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:17 pm Kthulah

Xsplat, I think I’d rather have chickens than cows as an engagement gift…or maybe a combination of chickens, cows, and a few goats.

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:24 pm David Alexander

Who are these beta schmoes spending a fortune on rings for women with only a few years of primo fuckability left?

Take a guy like David Alexander who is eager to please and somewhat crazy about status and add a woman who will take advantage of a beta male’s desperateness to fill her need to show off to her friends. You’ll end up a fiancée with a giant ring.

BTW, David has a no expensive ring policy. Of course, it’s a useless policy since it’s unlikely that I’ll ever be engaged. 😛

Same goes for the big, elaborate wedding which is really just a big exhibitionistic party for the bride.

I’ve allegedly heard that some couples essentially live together and stay unmarried until they can afford the wedding in lieu of going into debt. I’d wonder if the desire to get married to have the ceremony and brag about friends is inflating divorce rates, or if the perpetual wait for a wedding is breaking up relationships that would have failed in marriage.

You could use that money to pay the down for a house.

I believe that’s what the no-money down mortgage was for. Besides, in some markets, the $25K engagement ring isn’t even 10% of the median home price.

When she’s out of the army, I can think about moving back to the U.S.

Future member of the IDF?

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm jackson

Kthulah,

Like I said: Atlanta. That’s where I would be if I were black. Plenty of black people, many doing okay for themselves. Not like DC where they are all members of an impoverished underclass. Unless you are into ghetto diving, I’d avoid DC.

Also, Atlanta has a decent amount of culture and opportunity. Cheap living, too.

And don’t fall for liberal PC bullshit that people will like you for your “inner self” and that race doesn’t matter. I trust Israel has cured you of any such notions. The US is one of the least racist places in the world, and people still prefer to date people that look like themselves.

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:38 pm jackson

Also, chickens are for poor people. Cows are a sign of wealth. Cows are much better as an engagement gift.

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:43 pm David Alexander

Atlanta. That’s where I would be if I were black. Plenty of black people, many doing okay for themselves.

I swear, I’m the only black person who isn’t interested in moving down there. My cousin and nephew live down there, and I’ve visited, and I didn’t like it. I’ll stay up here in Northeast where everything is old and expensive and the jobs are lacking and government supported. At least we have trains…

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:56 pm Lupo

xsplat man, if you buy a farm… how you gonna exercise your Brazil option the next time someone gets preggos? Farming mostly sucks unless you’re a giant corporation; if it was so great, everyone would do it. How many years of volatility and crappy prices can you endure?

The old ladies with rocks phenomenon is just as people say, but, you’re all leaving out something real important. Any 30-something old bag who wants a giant rock doesn’t give a rats ass for you or love or symbols therof or anything. She’s trying to impress her idiot harpy girlfriends; the same ones who will say, “you go girl,” when she has an affair with her boss, divorces you, and takes all your stuff. Do you really want to be involved with a woman that wrapped up in status games? I don’t think you do. Not unless you’re going to die soon and have no other options.

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:58 pm David Alexander

Do you really want to be involved with a woman that wrapped up in status games?

How many hot women *aren’t* wrapped up in status games?

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on March 18, 2009 at 6:59 pm leena

move to sweden if you wanna be cheap about it.
gold band is the standard engagement ring there.
HOWEVER! guys wear engagement rings too if im not mistaking.

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:07 pm omw

indeed small farming is sort of a pain in the rear. You can see why people got away from it when they could.

I’ve got a dozen chickens, a small veggie garden and a peach orchard, (not even remotely a real farm!) and I swear there is no leaving the homestead for even two days without bartering for a house-sitter.

A week’s vacation at the lake? Forget it!

Dairy cows are even worse on that front. My husband would freakin kill me if I brought home a dairy cow. lol.

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:11 pm Gunslingergregi

“Explat
In any case, just the feeling of having that brand of money – edible money that self-replicates – that is a feeling of security.

As an entrepreneur I’ve made and lost my fortunes. Nothing feels more stable than investing in farming. Slow, steady, secure, and tasty. Actually, the returns can be very good – between 100% and 300% per year, depending on the product and market prices.”

Things my wife already knew and was able to teach me. Like I said before walking through the rice fields was uplifting. That’s what I was trying to say before. Stock has no intrinsic value and can be made worthless any time. Thing is you give a woman (not all) equivelant of money for a ring and money for wedding and she can be set for life. Now that is a freaking marriage deal for a woman. Guess I will find out if she is thankfull or not when I go there to chill. I know I am thankfull and feel extremely lucky.

It should be normal though for people who choose each other to want to be able to help each other and not want to tear each other to pieces. Why I say we need a word different from love for those people who choose to stand by each others sides through whatever.

Same thing could be done in states take equivelant of college cost, ring cost, and house cost and what business can’t you open or what can’t you do together.

Teamwork Ladies and gents. Again a woman beta alpha o m e g a can help a man in the states beta alpha o m e g a to move beyond money and hopefully happy.

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:18 pm epiclolz

Because they bought them for themselves =p

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:18 pm Gunslingergregi

“Lupo
xsplat man, if you buy a farm… how you gonna exercise your Brazil option the next time someone gets preggos? Farming mostly sucks unless you’re a giant corporation; if it was so great, everyone would do it. How many years of volatility and crappy prices can you endure?”

Lol lupo giant corporations make shit returns on money. Go read some earnings statements. Not even recent earnings statements go back a couple years even. If it was so great everyone would do it. Well a lot of people think being rich would be great but yet this is going to blow your fucking mind. Not everyone is doing it. Even people who make the same money in the perfectly equal world that I live in as far as paychecks go anyway.

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:23 pm joel

Red hair is a genetic defect. Red heads have bad skin, can’t tan, have poor enamel, and weak bones.

I have never seen a redhead with good teeth, for example.

Red hair has a different, coarse texture, too. Blond hair is very delicate and fine, red hair is just the opposite.

YMMV.

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:29 pm Gunslingergregi

OMW get the dairy cow he will probably make mad passionate love to you 🙂

It is wierd at first when you are killing the chickens and then eating them minutes later. Why you got to get the drum to defeather the things. F that by hand shit every day lol fun one time though.

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:37 pm Chuck

Joel:

“Red hair is a genetic defect. Red heads have bad skin, can’t tan, have poor enamel, and weak bones.

I have never seen a redhead with good teeth, for example.

Red hair has a different, coarse texture, too. Blond hair is very delicate and fine, red hair is just the opposite.

YMMV.”

All untrue, save the can’t tan part. Our skin has the radiance of porcelain, and have you ever seen a redhead in a cast? The answer is probably “No.” As for teeth, you need to delineate between American reds and British/Irish reds.

I bet you didn’t know this, but redheads are descended from either cats or Neanderthals, or both. That makes us sturdy and quick.

And FWIW, everything “human” is a “genetic defect.”

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:41 pm ATC

A big rock is a time-honored way for an alpha to cynically bribe his wife out of a divorce suit while he bangs the mistresses.

Once again, Roissy foolishly jumps to conclusions.

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on March 18, 2009 at 7:45 pm Misia

Yes, this:

“I think agnostic’s take is very interesting. At 19, you’d be kind of pissed and embarrassed if some 40-year-old guy bought you a giant rock… like he was trying to buy you or something.

Over-the-top gifts make you feel uncomfortable; they’re such an obvious sign of manipulation. “I’m not a prostitute, you know?!””

——————-

I just got engaged, 5 months shy of turning 21. I’m blonde, tall, & Eastern European – we go fast. 😉 My boy bought me the most ridiculously expensive ring, and I almost fainted… and not in a good way. Eventually, I started thanking him up and down and around our hotel room, but my initial reaction was –

a. feeling absolutely terrible. We’re young, stupid and in love. He could knot dental floss on my ring and I’d still happily marry him. I know he’s sacrificing car upgrades and electronic toys and expensive booze for months, and I really couldn’t stand the thought of having him make those sacrifices on my account.

b. I hated how strongly I reacted to it, the emotion I expressed at a piece of jewelry. Eventually, I told him I loved what it symbolized, but that I hated the idea my feelings could be bought.

Anyway, just some ramblings as I stare at my sparkling finger…

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on March 18, 2009 at 8:13 pm russell rodriguez

^lol what a fuckin tool

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on March 18, 2009 at 8:24 pm owm

heh, gunslinger. You mean the whizbang chicken deal? I love their youtube video– I don’t care who you are, that’s funny.

Really, though, I only kill six or ten chickens a year– not so bad to pluck them by hand at that rate. Maybe someday if we have a bigger flock.

Nothing would tickle me more at this stage of life than a couple of guernseys, but it just isn’t in the cards, not till we have a more settled address. Just a few years, I hope.

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on March 18, 2009 at 8:25 pm joel

Men buy these rings for two reasons:

1. They haven’t visited this blog yet.
or
2. They are older men trying to get their older wives to ovulate just one more time. Excitement from any cause can make a woman ovulate. A big diamond might to the trick. Since buying and accepting such rings seems to be a universal trait in men and women, this is likely a genetic trait. Darwin’s rules might apply here.

I must admit, after visiting this blog, I will never buy a woman an expensive gift again. Roissy is right. If she wants expensive gifts, look elsewhere. That divorce case with George David and his Swedish countess is beyond disgust. 43 million is not enough for her. She can’t live on a measly 50,000 per week. Poor dear. Well, she should have thought of that before she accepted the 43 million.

It seems like in American marriage, the only men who are “happy” are the ones who accept their miserable lot in life as the best deal they are likely to get. That says a lot about how we educate men in this country. What low expectations we give boys.

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on March 18, 2009 at 8:31 pm Gunslingergregi

“on March 18, 2009 at 8:24 pm owm
heh, gunslinger. You mean the whizbang chicken deal? I love their youtube video– I don’t care who you are, that’s funny.

Really, though, I only kill six or ten chickens a year– not so bad to pluck them by hand at that rate. Maybe someday if we have a bigger flock.

Nothing would tickle me more at this stage of life than a couple of guernseys, but it just isn’t in the cards, not till we have a more settled address. Just a few years, I hope.”

Harder to do farm when in us without relatives got to play to strengths while you farm. Like automated pizza making producing 800 frozen a day. Then talk about its not delivery its moojorno.

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on March 18, 2009 at 8:35 pm owm

ay, small farming is much better done in an extended-family setting, I think.

Or once you at least have enough older kids to do some chores and hold the fort down for a few hours at a time.

Moogiorno! You are such a dork. LOL.

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on March 18, 2009 at 8:47 pm Royal

Beta schmoes make up for their inability to satisfy their woman in the bedroom by buying them a giant ring.

For women over 30 who couldn’t tie down an alpha when they were in their prime, the gigantic ring is like a consolation prize. Makes them feel a little better when they contemplate the actual consolation prize (the beta.)

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on March 18, 2009 at 8:51 pm Max from Australia

Alot of Women over 30 have perfect “game”!

They are elegant and sophisticated in just the right measure. There clothes, shoes, hair, make-up and perfume are perfectly matched and there natural grace wonderful.

Of course this is all just a well orchestrated ruse capitalising on the betas naturally high Oedipus complex to sucker him into the chains of life-long beta-servitude.

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on March 18, 2009 at 9:16 pm ironrailsironweights

“Is someone going to buy me a diamond to go with my delicious GNP?

Peter

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on March 18, 2009 at 9:53 pm Rum

Red heads are a lot of extra trouble but so are Ferraris.
The purpose of a mink coat is not to keep a woman warm but to keep her quiet. Maybe a diamond has a similar effect.

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on March 18, 2009 at 10:02 pm Zdeno

My view on HBD is that average differences between the races almost definitely exist and are very significant in terms of the relative success of different ethnic groups in the world today. However, such average differences tell us nothing definitive about any given individual, and certainly tell us nothing about the moral “value” any given human. i.e, we’re all people, no matter what our race’s average SAT score.

All this goes out the window when we start talking about gingers though. Vile, sickly, sub-humans, completely unfit to exist in our modern society. Beneath those hideous bird’s nests of straw-like red hair, there is truly nothing even resembling a soul.

On topic:

Simple answer: Older women get the big rocks because they date the older men who can afford them. Guys my age are equally prone to stupidity in their dealings with girls, the difference is we can’t afford $50k worth of stupidity. If they could, they would.

Zdeno

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on March 18, 2009 at 10:34 pm Rum

Famous red-heads include W. Churchill, William Barret Travis, & Davy Crockett. So be sure to smile when you dis Gods chosen.

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on March 18, 2009 at 10:36 pm Tood

A woman over 35 has lost virtually all of her reproductive ability, and thus has no further value to society UNLESS at least one of these two conditions are met :

1) She is a good mother, and part of being a good mother is remaining married to the father of her children, so that the children have two parents.

2) She is one of the rare few women who works in a job that contributes positively to society. Doctors, nurses, the rare few women who are scientific researchers, good corporate executives, and the rare few women who are GOOD teachers qualify. Women who work as lawyers, in the media, journalism, bullshit marketing, and the public sector do NOT qualify.

So only if at least one of the two conditions are met, is a woman over 35 of any value to society.

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on March 18, 2009 at 10:54 pm Gunslingergregi

wtf lol I tell ya how to make 8k per day end product price on a 100k investment (less than price of ring and wedding) so that you can live wherever you want and do what you want in raising your kids and get called a dork. 12.5 days investment returned. 2,920 percent times capital in one year. Not profit but shit. 2,920,000 a year potential gross. People in US can make unbelievable amounts of money for less than the cost of (diamond ring, marriage/wedding party) then do what the fuck you want. Not quite that easy but close.

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on March 18, 2009 at 11:00 pm owm

Genius and dorkiness are very close cousins, Gunny, that’s all I can tell you. LOL.

But yes, it would be ideal to get the family off the damn wage-slave wagon; scrimping and saving will get you so far, but only so far, and you do rather hate to watch your money limply deflate when it COULD be making baby calves instead.

I’ll have to talk to the H again. He rolled his eyes just now.

“Are you still talking about cows and engagement rings over there?”

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on March 19, 2009 at 12:27 am Tood

Sexbot update :

I as not expecting the progress to be this rapid. This is impressive, I must say.

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on March 19, 2009 at 1:33 am tokyojesusfist

Tood

A woman over 35 has lost virtually all of her reproductive ability, and thus has no further value to society UNLESS at least one of these two conditions are met :

The same applies to men, so I don’t know why you’re singling out women.

1) She is a good mother, and part of being a good mother is remaining married to the father of her children, so that the children have two parents.

Unless the father is abusive or otherwise worthless. Two parents are not automatically a good thing.

2) She is one of the rare few women who works in a job that contributes positively to society. Doctors, nurses, the rare few women who are scientific researchers, good corporate executives, and the rare few women who are GOOD teachers qualify. Women who work as lawyers, in the media, journalism, bullshit marketing, and the public sector do NOT qualify.

So what you’re saying is that every job not listed here is meaningless and could be removed from existence without any negative consequences. Well, I guess we can do without factory workers, farmers, plumbers, electricians, soldiers, police officers…

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on March 19, 2009 at 1:39 am Tood

tokyojesuspissed,

You continue to demonstrate increasingly lower IQ each day.

1). You actually think men’s reproductive ability declines at 35, just like a woman’s does? You need to go back to 5th grade sex-ed before you comment here. There will even be pictures of a naked woman’s body in the textbook, so you can remember what a naked woman looks like.

2) How many women are plumbers? soldiers? etc?

Also, I said ‘jobs like’, not meaning to be a comprehensive list. This is 3rd grade reading comprehension.

Truly, you are hopeless.

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on March 19, 2009 at 2:56 am xsplat

Lupo

xsplat man, if you buy a farm… how you gonna exercise your Brazil option the next time someone gets preggos? Farming mostly sucks unless you’re a giant corporation; if it was so great, everyone would do it. How many years of volatility and crappy prices can you endure?

I don’t require a farm, and don’t do farming myself. I contract that out. You can even lease land and hire serfs who will work it for a very small fee or a % of the crops.

I’m in Indonesia. The expenses are very different here. The farm hand who works for my girlfriends father gets $30 a month and a shack on the land.

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on March 19, 2009 at 3:10 am Jack

lol tokyojesus fist saying men lose their reproductive capability at 35. He really is a complete imbecile. Unlike women, men get exponentially MORE valuable after 35, because they basically run all our institutions.

Tood is completely correct about women after 35, except for good mothers, teachers, nurses, etc., they are worthless.

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on March 19, 2009 at 3:59 am Markku

Is there a negative correlation between cocksize and rocksize?

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on March 19, 2009 at 4:00 am Markku

Imagine spaces between “sizes” and “cock” and “rock”.

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on March 19, 2009 at 5:09 am xsplat

Is there a negative correlation between cock size and rock size?

Ha – probably, eh?

I like the idea of dating as cheaply as possible. If you can woo without cash, you woo with panash.

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on March 19, 2009 at 5:58 am Shadow Economy

Lupo, re: the Brazilian option. I’m leaving some assets under the control of my GF. If I wander away, they may or may not remain under my control. However, I’m diversified, and plan to diversify more. I have a partner that i’ve been working with for a number of years who I can safely use to handle these and other types of investments. My main goal is to keep money out of the form of cash, and in the form of livestock and small businesses, diversified over several small holdings, in the control of a number of people and managed by a few. If the situation ever gets uncontrollable, I’ll need to hire a little muscle to keep keep the ship running tight.

I think in terms of partnerships with existing farms, investing in many small local businesses, and the like. Cash in multiple accounts with multiple ATM cards, some accessible by internet. Investments that can not be garnered.

Banks were useful because they were stable and safe. You didn’t need to hire muscle to control you holdings. I’m doing things differently. I’m not playing in the same system most take for granted. Nuff said.

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on March 19, 2009 at 6:21 am Lupo

Xsplat (who I assume is also “shadow economy”): I was picturing dirt farming in Amellika. What you’re doing sounds like becoming a king or emperor, or at least the United Fruit Company. In all seriousness: bravo, man. That’s outstanding.

Keep me in mind if you ever need to put together an Indonesian palm oil bourse. I considered this a bit when biodiesel was hot.

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on March 19, 2009 at 6:27 am tokyojesusfist

Tood

You actually think men’s reproductive ability declines at 35, just like a woman’s does?

I was referring to the two points you made.

Also, I said ‘jobs like’, not meaning to be a comprehensive list. This is 3rd grade reading comprehension.

Your whole point is stupid because there are more useful jobs than there are useless ones. Even cleaners and cooks are needed. Not everyone has to be, or in fact can be, researching a cure for cancer. Society is a little more complicated than you think.

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on March 19, 2009 at 7:36 am gig

I don’t require a farm, and don’t do farming myself. I contract that out. You can even lease land and hire serfs who will work it for a very small fee or a % of the crops

xsplat, do you really think the Third World has the samedegree of Rule of the Law that the First World have? Do you think you can rule a estate in South America just like the british ran Barbados, from London?

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on March 19, 2009 at 7:53 am Trader Expat

I’m not sure what you mean by bourse (it seems to be an affiliation of commodity suppliers and traders), but I do have an opporunity along those lines.

I can manufacture virgin coconut oil. I can also market it somewhat on the internet. What I need help with is importation and bottling. I’ve looked into to companies to handle this for me, but at my quantities it hadn’t seemed worthwhile. The U.S. also has recently stiffened their food importation paperwork requirements, and I’m not a paperwork kind of guy.

The product can be bottled in small quantities and shipped for individual bottle by bottle sales, sent to boutique health food stores, food chain stores, and sold by the drum to foodstuff manufacturers.

It is an up-and-coming food oil, for its medicinal properties. Some people take a few tablespoons a day to fight candida, for instance.

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on March 19, 2009 at 8:32 am Kthulah

Jackson, I’m originally from Charlotte, NC, so I know the advantages of living in a predominantly Black area. I’d go back if I could without unduly burdenning my daughter, but the schools there just aren’t as up to date in hearing impaired education. What she wouldn’t even get in private school there, she gets in public school here.

It would be nice to find a guy from there who’d be willing to relocate for awhile. We have American companies here that a guy with some brains could work for. My daughter’s father could, partly because he’s in a field and specific job they’re desperate for here. He just doesn’t want to live here.

…but I have a plan to at least be able to have some fun with guys who aren’t completely insane. I started watching the low grade gold diggers who go for American guest workers and tourists, and got some hierarchy tips from Dana and a couple other female friends who specialize in the sane different. Now that I know where the (American/UK/Finland/Norway) men are, I can just go and be me.

Problem is, I’m an atmosphere soaking, not-picking-up, club person, not a pub cougar. I don’t know how well it’ll work.

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on March 19, 2009 at 8:36 am xsplat

gig

xsplat, do you really think the Third World has the samedegree of Rule of the Law that the First World have? Do you think you can rule a estate in South America just like the british ran Barbados, from London?

Gig, I’m not understanding your criticism, or your advice. I’ve been living in SE Asia for 7 years. I’ve been an entrepreneur since I sold my home made wax candles door to door “to raise money for cancer research” at age 11.

What was your experience again?

I have very small local investments right now – a few pregnant cows, a small fishing boat. The beginnings of another small local business. The cash I’m sitting on and my weekly excess money needs to get out of the bank. I’ve had my business partner manage things before, so he’ll be getting some $ to invest and manage, at my discretion. The girlfriends family will manage some, with livestock and farming. As I get more, I’ll have a manager manage other projects, such as money lending against automobiles, small restauraunts, raising cows on other peoples farms, etc. Many small holdings. Think microloans. Some of it will be in the name of my corporation, some handled in other ways.

Ya if you want to compare that to the British running Barbados, that’s fine by me. You come across as a ten year old critic, though.

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on March 19, 2009 at 9:09 am Anonymous

whiskey: Spending a lot of money on a ring is a waste of money. It’s an object. It’s not the marriage. Same goes for the big, elaborate wedding which is really just a big exhibitionistic party for the bride.

You could use that money to pay the down for a house.

Can’t say enough in support of this! Agree 100%.

Heh… if I ever find a woman who genuinely doesn’t want an engagement ring, I’ve found marriage material.

Hi. Now you’ve met one.

This all-consuming focus on acquisition of pointless stuff is ridiculous. One would hope that the current state of economic affairs might do something to correct it, but I don’t have much faith in that happening.

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on March 19, 2009 at 9:20 am Comment_Wrath_Of_Wabbit!

xsplat, a minor but real, warning
I’m sure some idiot has already done it in your ecology, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have a minor flair up that the local farmers will blame you for.

Beware the Wrath of the Wabbit! He may look cute, but without natural predators, he is a menace!

Australia found out the hard way.

http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/00128/en/rabbits/history.htm

Wrath of the Wabbits!

In 1907 the longest anti-rabbit fence was finished. It was constructed by the Western Australian Government and it was 1 833 kilometres long. It was from Starvation Boat Harbour, in the south, and Cape Keraudren. One problem was that by the time that most rabbit-proof fences are finished, rabbits have already crossed into the area that the fence is trying to keep them out.

In the 1950’s a virus was introduced. It was called the Myxoma Virus and it caused the fatal Myxomatosis. The proposition of introducing the Myxoma Virus to Australia was put forward in 1918 by a Brazilian scientist called H. de Beaureparie Aragao. It was rejected because it “wouldn’t work”, but the rabbit populations kept getting worse. Finally, in the 1920’s, specially trained scientists of the Australian Government and the CSIRO had begun to assess the possibility of introducing the Myxoma Virus.

Trials were run in Britain, Denmark, Sweden, and southern Australia. These were unsuccessful, but the CSIRO was persistent in developing the virus. Finally they had developed a Virus that would be effective and only species-specific (only effected the specific species). The Myxoma Virus was released at 5 different field sites in the Murray River valley, southern New South Wales.

Eventually the virus lost it’s effect and the populations recovered, due to the survival of rabbits that had natural resistance to the virus. The CSIRO introduced the European rabbit flea in 1957 and again in 1966 to try and give the virus a kick-start again. It was once again a short answer. Finally in 1993 the Spanish rabbit flea was introduced in hoping to help the rabbit populations, but the fleas died out in the hot rangelands.

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on March 19, 2009 at 9:23 am Bhetti

I think a fiance would be upset if I sold rejected an engagement ring to go get something actually useful. I remember my status-obsessed mother getting so upset at my childish (I was 10?) rejection of big pieces of jewelry that she hit me for my insolence (was too vocal about the utter uselessness of it as a present; I know have tact).

Seeking Alpha: Two words: Edgware Road. Sheesha (also known as hookah) cafes kind of had to reformat their business here and there because of the smoking ban. But you should find some.
Also, I’m afraid a good doner kebab is not obtainable and hidden much like Diagon Alley. A shop selling it would only magically appear once you drunkenly stumble out of a club or pub, and go for a walk. Your feet should automatically lead you to one within half an hour, without too much external guidance from bemused passerbys. This is a London Rule.

Gunslinger: Should I be insulted that you thought there was a possibility I wasn’t? However: There’s this wisdom that says all good jokes are half true.

xsplat: As long as the animals don’t get sick.

DA: I’ve personally seen couples engaged for aaages including having children (which is apparently less expensive?!) waiting to afford a marriage.

Peter: From this bit of news/gossip, I think I’ve narrowed down your state and that you’re either working withinaforementioned state’s government or have huge influence in it.
http://perezhilton.com/2009-03-18-new-jersey-loves-a-full-bush

my wonderful love of my life, TangoJulietFoxtrot: Your text is like the night just before dawn, full of darkness only pretending to choke out the light and hope. So beautiful, you move me to tears.

ALL: Leave my TJF alooone! How can you not comprehend his sheer righteousness? Such pointless/stupid mortals as thee cannot even hope to discourse with such divinity.

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on March 19, 2009 at 10:28 am Expat

Comment: We have ferile cats and dogs here. The cats got one of my rabbits a few years ago, when I had them out in my compound in Bali. Bit his little neck, left him there, then slinked away in search of other fun. (Skinned and barbecued the critter, and he was tasty) Another two dissappeared, and it was assumed they were taken by dogs. The problem isn’t so much them getting out of control, but keeping the local animals from eating them.

The locals also eat anything that moves, and are efficient and ubiquitous predators.

In my research I found that some plantations in Bali experimented with keeping rabbits under the coconut plantations. No mention was made of either problem. In any case, I’d want to have fenced or walled off areas to keep out predators, and keep the rabbits enclosed.

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on March 19, 2009 at 11:06 am Kthulah

Yeah, I’d eat the rabbits. 🙂

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on March 19, 2009 at 11:20 am tokyojesusfist

Oh look, Bhetti the troll has decided to shit on yet another thread.

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on March 19, 2009 at 11:49 am Seeking Alpha

Seeking Alpha: Two words: Edgware Road. Sheesha (also known as hookah) cafes kind of had to reformat their business here and there because of the smoking ban. But you should find some.

Yea, I lived on the corner of Marylebone and Baker, right near there.

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on March 19, 2009 at 12:39 pm Gunslingergregi

Every man needs to watch pale rider with Clint Eastwood once a month lol Then no big rocks. Saw it yesterday sick shit. Make your sons watch it.

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on March 19, 2009 at 1:12 pm Gunslingergregi

“owm
Genius and dorkiness are very close cousins, Gunny, that’s all I can tell you. LOL.

But yes, it would be ideal to get the family off the damn wage-slave wagon; scrimping and saving will get you so far, but only so far, and you do rather hate to watch your money limply deflate when it COULD be making baby calves instead.

I’ll have to talk to the H again. He rolled his eyes just now.”

Yea having lots of kids can be beneficial but if you are only going to be able to teach them how to be good wage slaves forever then wtf. Unless you can teach them how to turn wage slave into multiplying themselves. You are in a perfect position your husband is a wage slave. You have the free time to do something with what your husband provides. Opening a business with 0 risk basically since your husband more than likely plans to keep working no matter what you do. You become the first multiplier of the wage.

Life is like a box of chocolates except you know exactly what your gonna get because the lid that explains what everything is all around you.

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on March 19, 2009 at 2:21 pm French connection

Betas (old or young) will date lesser quality women, women in their thirties generally falling into into that category.
The size and price of the ring doesn’t say much, you don’t know how (or who) paid for it. The fact that they bought such a woman a ring at all is A) a gesture of their never ending beta love and inability to do better or B) the product of them getting their beta asses bullied into marriage by their woman.

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on March 19, 2009 at 3:01 pm Default User

tokyojesusfist

Oh look, Bhetti the troll has decided to shit on yet another thread.

Well, she has certainly given some IOIs.

I see you threw out a neg – good start. Now move in with some cocky/funny, try some kino, and I think you are home and dry (…er wet?).

Good luck TJF, all the guys are rooting for you.

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on March 19, 2009 at 3:04 pm Lupo

Exsplat:
Yes, I was talking about a commodity trading operation. Why manufacture when you can control the syndicate? The city of Chicago has made a nice living at this since they put in canals in the old days. Farmer’s got to sell somewhere; might as well sell where he can get the best price from buyers. Palm oil was pretty exciting when oil was $140 a barrel. You can crack it into biodiesel pretty handily, and make the hippies happy.

I don’t know what kind of quantities you’re trying to get rid of, but there are health food and grocery places who deal in grey market goods all the time. For weight lifting, 1fast400 (whose real name is “Mike”) does a brisk business, and has lots of home made drug like preparations they import directly from China. No idea how to do a sales pitch to them; I’m a quant, not a sales guy. For groceries; 99-Ranch is a small Chinese grocery chain that absolutely doesn’t deal with paperwork. No idea how to break in there; probably by being racially Chinese. If you can sell in quantity, Trader Joes would be better for that sort of thing, since they’re bigger and cater to an elite demographic of SWPL snobs. I use coconut milk and oil all the time; it’s great fat to mix with whey protein when rocking the Vince Gironda diet. A little sales mojo about the miraculous benefits of coconut grease, and you can sell tons of the stuff to meat heads and hippies.

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on March 19, 2009 at 3:07 pm Lupo

Xsplat; also, feel free to follow the link to my email address if you wish to discuss further.

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on March 19, 2009 at 9:05 pm Bhetti

My hottiefist’s certainly heavy on the hate with roissy’s lovehate formula. But I’ve got love enough for more than the both of us* AND our future 10 kids plus assorted pets (including a parrot, so that we can both listen again and again to my sexkyo’s wisdoms and so that I don’t feel any difference in the conversation when he’s not around).

*(my grand declarations, reduced to mere IOIs… oh, woe is me!)

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on March 20, 2009 at 12:19 am The King

Poindexter never got how life works. They have low self-esteem and confidence, thus try to compensate through materialism. Basically they are trading diamonds for sexual favors. Why over 30? Because they usually meet these predatory women at work. These women are extremely cunning by placing themselves in course with these “financially successful” men. Just like an Ahole taking advantage of chicks with low self-esteem, these x-sluts use their expertise to manipulate and trick their victims.

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on March 21, 2009 at 12:54 am Protag Onist

I’d really like to know what Roissy does for a living. Really.

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