There are a lot of misconceptions held by haters (and some non-haters) of the game and of yours truly that deserve closer examination.
Obsidian writes in response to a pickup scenario with a sultry game-playing chick I recounted:
Such a girl as described, would come off to me that she would not be satisfactory for potential Mommy material. On top of that she was just plain weird.
[…]His intentions are quite clear-to fuck, usually but not always, in pump & dump fashion-as many Women as possible. To that extent then, his selection criteria, is considerably different from mine, and I see nothing in the least wrong with that.
[…]some of the Game moves one would use to attempt to bed the gal in his scenario, would be wholly different in the kind of Game I used wrt say, Brown Sugah, whom I’ve mentioned before.
It’s amusing how writing in a certain style will lead people to induce the substance of what you write. In fact, I have rarely if ever written on this blog that my intentions are to pump and dump as many women as possible, unless it was in a humorous context. I have described the reality of women. I have given pointers on how to pump and dump if that’s your goal. I have singled out a certain type of woman for pump and dump status. But none of that reflects what I personally value in my own relationships with women. Of course, it is a weakness of human nature to imagine the most antagonistic motives of another person if what that person says is not thematically consistent with the narrative playing out in one’s head.
When I have written about my value system I have been quite clear — a relationship with a woman who loves you is one of the sublime pleasures of life, perhaps the very best pleasure, and the occasional fling or one night stand is pretty good too. It does not make sense, given the short time we have our lives on this earth, to pass up opportunities to make love with women, even to fuck them silly, if the woman does not pass your stringent criteria as LTR material. So yes, one night stands with scheming game-playing chicks and long term passionate relationships with quality women are not morally incompatible in my worldview. Only those whose options are limited (Hi TBG!) subscribe to those sorts of self-serving sociosexual codes.
As for Obsidian’s contention that the game used on weird chicks such as the girl in my post is different from the game used on the kind of women Obsidian is interested in meeting (presumably, marriage material), I call bullshit. Game, like a woman’s looks, is not cookie cutter, but neither is it completely random in its effect. The fundamental concepts of game are universal and apply equally to all kinds of women, from Rules Girls to club sluts to church angels to playettes to rebounders to Georgetown yuppies to SWPLers to haughty hipsters to young to old… and even to lawyer chicks. If it were not so, there would be no such thing as “game”. Think about it.
Superhater Keith, the Alpha-iest of Alphas wrote:
Yes, but [the girls who respond positively to his game] still resemble one another in otherwise unobserved traits that correlate with their tendency to give you their number in the first place.
This is a common anti-game argument pulled with insipid frequency from the hater handbook. Alternate version: “You’ll only pick up sluts and low self esteem girls who fall for your game.” Haters of this school of hate comfort themselves with the lie that no worthy girl would ever fall for a player. As I fatherly corrected Stupendously Alpha Keith in the comments: Tautology, unreel thyself.
Super Alpha Keith reminds me of those cloying beta chumps who have spent many years of indoctrination in a seven sisters school, imbibing the feminist zeitgeist with gusto and learning to parrot all the right shibboleths in order to steal a thin-lipped kiss from some hippie chick with Daddy Gaia issues. There is of course no specific type of chick who falls for game, because there aren’t different sets of rules that govern female attraction. Game is unlimited in its potential because the male traits that women find attractive are universally shared, give or take some nontrivial broad racial differences. The tautological emptiness of Keith’s two minute hate becomes apparent when we switch genders — women with slender hourglass figures, nice tits and ass, and pretty faces don’t attract a subset of men who resemble one another in unobserved traits that correlate with their tendency to be attracted to pretty women; they attract the *vast majority* of men because female beauty, like male game, is objectively attractive to the opposite sex.
poster asked:
you never talked about how to game cigstach…i’m really curious about what you were going to say
Skip attraction and go straight into comfort building rapport. Tell her you both have a lot in common — the ability to grow thick, bushy mustaches. Share a cig, then go for the kiss, licking the corners of her stache into a handlebar shape with your saliva. Repeat until the love is strong.
omw wrote:
Breaking [game] down into official sub-categories with accompanying routines and choreography is what’s weird.
It’s only weird when you’re aware of it. 😉
Many, many haters wrote:
It’s important to be sincere in a serious relationship. Which you can’t do with game.
I’ll quote commenter Thursday on this:
“Game is necessary for a relationship because attraction is necessary for a relationship and game is what creates attraction for women. But it is not sufficient and no one ever said it was.”
I’d add that a softened version of game is an important component of any long term relationship. And the belief that game is insincere? Just the opposite. Game is the most effective way for a man to express his deepest sincere feelings for a woman. A man has to advertise his sincere desires. If he doesn’t, women will hardly know the value of his product or the strength of his feelings. And the wrong sort of advertising will send her to another store.
Lisa the typical female hater wrote in response to me:
“a man seen with “bar skanks” as you call them will be more attractive to women than a man with no woman at his side.”
Only to other bar skanks.
A fairly common anti-poon diatribe is the “like begets like” argument. This is how haters attempt to diminish the achievements of their targets of hate. They reside well above that muck, don’t you see. As with most hate, it strikes a superficially plausible note, but in reality is proven utterly false.
I have observed that women’s preselection programming is a blunt algorithm. That is, when a woman sees you with another woman, she does not filter your quality based on your companion’s beauty as perceptively as a man filters for female beauty. You have some wiggle room in your choice of social proof. If you’re in the company of a 5, the power of preselection will work all the way up to 8s, as long as you are seen to be having a good time with your 5. To other women, the fact that you make your pawn female companion smile and laugh is more important in evaluating your quality as a man than is the exact beauty rating of your companion.
Naturally, there are limits on the applicability of women’s preselection mechanism. If your social proof is an obese 2, 10s will not give you much favor. Women are subconsciously much less forgiving of blubber on other women than they are of the prettiness or lack thereof of other women’s faces. A slender 4 with good fashion sense and obvious enjoyment at being in your company will trigger the preselection switches of plenty of hotter women in a bar.
Androgyne MQ wrote:
However, these [beta providers] do not spend all their time whining and bitching on the internet (at least not when they’re young, if they get wiped out in a divorce settlement later on then they do).
Handy betaboy translation: “Whining and bitching” = “Saying stuff that offends my tender sensibilities”.
MQ is Dizzy’s love beta.
Whiskey wrote:
How can MOST GUYS be socially dominant? Answer: they CANNOT BY DEFINITION. Period. Social dominance is like an episode of Highlander. There can be only one. And that one is what women want. Therefore, every guy with the ability to figure this out will race to social dominance. Which ends inevitably in thuggery because that is how social dominance gets settled in the end.
And over on 2Blowhards where they are having freewheeling discussions about the cultural significance of game, Rain And wrote:
PUAs recommend a massive amount of approaches to learn Game.. something like 20 per week, per man.. and this will have two effects:: It means more otherwise unmated women will be absorbed.. leaving less available women for the lucky opportunities which non-competing males depend on.. and it means women will endure more unwelcome approaches and further harden their defenses against approaches from unskilled men, raising the bar for his entry into the field. If it was hard for a below average guy just going by his natural instincts in opportunistic situations before, it will become even harder for him now.
As for men who do compete, it’s worse for them too. It’s an arms race, and if everybody gets better, than no one has more success. In fact every one is worse off, because they now have to work harder and train more to master a skill to get the same exact returns they would have gotten 10 years ago without the extra time, energy, resources spent on Game.
Whiskey and Rain And make the claim that game is a finite resource, zero-sum, and effective only in relation to the existing male status hierarchy because women ultimately want to bang the top male no matter what system he operates within. This therefore means that the returns on game are inherently self-limiting, as women will simply choose amongst the best gamers in a world full of men who have learned game.
It’s an interesting theoretical conjecture. I say theoretical because the adoption by men of game will never, in practice, reach the point where such theoretical objections carry real world weight. Game requires one necessary ingredient in abundance — balls. And most men simply don’t have the balls to (1) drop their defeatist beliefs and adherence to doctrinaire acquired wisdom and (2) take up the teachings of game and actually approach women in any situation at any time.
But is this zero-sum objection even correct in theory? I believe a case can be made that it is not, and the best way to demonstrate this is through illustration by analogy. Imagine if all the world’s women suddenly turned into 10s overnight. Ask yourselves: Would this
a. increase
b. decrease
c. have no effect on
the aggregate happiness of the world’s men? Does anyone seriously doubt this would not be a paradisiacal wonderland for men everywhere? This is because women’s beauty, at least over the timespan of a few generations before long term evolutionary change had a chance to alter the male mental landscape, is an objectively definable trait in which its supply would increase if the number of 10s increased. Only over the very long haul would men’s preferences gradually shift upward in refinement toward uber 10s — new female creatures would then be born representing 11s, 12s, and super ovarian 20s.
In the same way, this is how game works its magic on women. Male game operates like female beauty. The more of it there is in the world, the happier the world’s women will become. Women will feel the same pleasurable feelings from the first man she meets running tight game and the 1,000th man she meets running tight game. Since women are by nature status whores, over a long enough time as evolution molds their daughters’ brains they will begin to preferentially select the best gamers from among the bunch. And they will go on, as they always have, attempting to land the highest ranking man they can afford given their looks, which means seeking the man who brings the full suite of attractive male power attributes to the table.
Like begets like. You can not argue this.
If you are seen with a drunk woman, you are dead to quality women. If you are seen with a skank, a hoe, a cheat, or the thrice-divorced woman, then you are dead to high-bar women. You mistakenly ramble on about numbers; that’s not the point. High-bar women look at quality of character and reputation, not numbers.
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I probably was not clear.
I agree that Game is too hard to learn for most men, and requires a huge change in mental models of how interactions between the sexes work.
However, women’s selection HAS changed radically, and women have moved from a pre-Contraception era mode of relationship first, sex later, to sex first, relationship later.
The easiest way for guys to “cheat” they system is to thug it up. This happened in White Lower class Britain, where Dalrymple chronicled the change from the 1950’s, when he was a boy, and doors were unlocked, kids played unsupervised, and violence was rare, to today, fifty years later, where violence is common and most of quite obviously driven by SEXUAL SELECTION.
It’s just like in sports. You can train ‘clean’ for ages, and maybe or maybe not be competitive. Or you can roid up and be instantly dominant: McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc.
Now add to that the possibility of pheromones, probably black market, along with thugging it up, in various ways, and you have an instant “cheat.”
No need to spend months/years training to perfect a difficult to master skill requiring intense focus on others and a huge shift in mental models of how to operate, along with massive behavioral shifts from work mode (cooperative, beta-ish) to Alphadom “funny/cocky” which does not work well in most work environments.
It’s akin to the situation of the European martial arts. Most European peoples had a long history of various martial arts, recall the staff-wielding fighting arts of Robin Hood and LittleJohn in the stories? That was an actual, real art, now lost. Because Europe was a violent place. Incredibly violent. There were plenty of regional UK fighting arts, for peasants and others lacking swords, that lasted into the 19th Century, and were then lost. First because repeating firearms made them obsolete by replacing the art’s mastery with a cheap and reliable weapon, easily concealed, and then by safety by policing and cultural changes vastly reducing violence.
ONLY Savate survived in Europe, mostly because the French peasants and Sailors around Marseilles lived in an ultra-violent society that also tended to make firearms difficult to procure (lacking the money) and ineffective (hard to conceal on a working sailor/dockworker, salt water/air very corrosive — high rate of failure).
The White British Lowerclass (and increasingly middle class) did not pick up game. Rather thuggery to compete over women.
And yes, women are a scarce resource. The scarcest for men. Given that women hold, the near absolute power in the mating game, doing the selection from far more suitors, eventually Game and all other male responses to the current situation are indeed zero-sum games.
I agree that there are too many barriers for men to become proficient in Game. The biggest being the mental adjustment men need to make in considering women’s selection processs.
However, men will still want women and substitution of pr0n or video games is not enough, the temptation to thug it up in conjunction with pheromones IMHO guarantees a race to the bottom.
Consider this: already “Adventure Sports” are a way of signaling high levels of testosterone and risk-preference by men to potential women, along with income/status markers (since stuff like base jumping, whitewater kayaking, etc. is expensive).
ALREADY Chris Brown has “normalized” thugging it up, and we will see more of it, since it has proven quite successful and women can’t get enough of him.
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Sincerity is an essential component that hadn’t been stressed enough. Maybe it’s just me but I think you have to get you inner dialogue in line with your spoken words and actions. In fact the stronger your inner dialogue is, the less words you need. this is true for all of life.
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> Only over the very long haul would men’s preferences gradually shift upward in refinement toward uber 10s — new female creatures would then be born representing 11s, 12s, and super ovarian 20s.
In some of his novels, Robert Heinlein wonders what it would be like if genetic engineering were affordable and not controlled by some central agency.
Does everyone become huge-brained 98-pound stick-figure Roswell-type aliens?
No. The men are all manly and handsome and the women are feminine and stunning. Of course, with this uber population, there is still competition for the top slot. It just means that an ordinary person from our era could never hope to compete.
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Couldn’t agree more about those last two points about “game saturation.”
First of all it won’t happen. Even a (highly unlikely) doubling or tripling of the number of guys consistently spitting top game would result in, what?, 6% of the total? 9%?
If anything it might (speculating wildly here) increase the number of available women by putting pressure on females to take better care of themselves and embrace their feminine side more, resulting in a half-point upgrade for the typical American woman, making all men (and women too) happier, from Alphas down to the very dregs. I’m not holding my breath, though.
Finally, the last point you make is dead on. It’s a kindness to women to game them. They love it.
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The power of pre-selection
True words.
Just yesterday I was sitting in the gym waiting for my friend to finish her spin class after I finished my workout out.
An old flame walks into the gym attracting the attention of guys who chat her up for a good 5 minutes. I ignore her until she comes over.
Body language down (leaned back while sitting & she’s standing), I bust her chops (much to her delight).
All of a sudden, I notice all 8’s and up in the gym are checking me out from afar and as they walk past. Instantaneous. I wasn’t on their radar before but not I was like the platinum shit that flies wanted to pitch on.
Hilarity
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something like 20 per week, per man
20 approaches in a week isn’t hard, particularly if you daygame. Go out four days a week, approach five women. Simple baby steps.
Is Strauss that short or are you that tall?
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1. Drop the Defeatism
2. Get Your Game On
3. Approach Women Anywhere, Anytime
I might have to print that up for my son’s benefit when he gets old enough. Maybe I could put it on a tag and attach it to his keychain. Don’t make the same mistakes your daddy did!
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Whiskey:
> Once again I do agree that Game is unlikely to spread to widely among men — it’s just too difficult to master.
Game is only difficult insofar as people are unwilling to change. The vast majority are not, and so don’t. But the mere act of making many approaches, or going to the park to talk to women rather than watching TV, is not difficult in and of itself.
The problem isn’t difficulty, it’s inertia…. but the net result is the same.
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I forget that this blog is about Game lately, with the long meandering off-topic comment threads.
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most lawyers are also talented writers.
Pah, they just think they are because at one time they were English majors. The actual written products generated in most law firms are dreadful from a technical standpoint (not just because the subject matter is boring).
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Uhm, don’t know about all this end game hater bullshit. Don’t really care. There are chicks to be swooped and this lifetime isn’t enough to pull them all. However, I have a question. Who the fuck dressed you for that book signing, coldplay?
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But is this zero-sum objection even correct in theory? I believe a case can be made that it is not, and the best way to demonstrate this is through illustration by analogy. Imagine if all the world’s women suddenly turned into 10s overnight. Ask yourselves: Would this
a. increase
b. decrease
c. have no effect on
the aggregate happiness of the world’s men? Does anyone seriously doubt this would not be a paradisiacal wonderland for men everywhere? This is because women’s beauty, at least over the timespan of a few generations before long term evolutionary change had a chance to alter the male mental landscape, is an objectively definable trait in which its supply would increase if the number of 10s increased. Only over the very long haul would men’s preferences gradually shift upward in refinement toward uber 10s — new female creatures would then be born representing 11s, 12s, and super ovarian 20s.
Oh, for God’s sake!
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So my whole place has mattresses on the floor, like I got them everywhere, like carpet. That way, I can fuck bitches anywhere. I fuck bitches in the kitchen, the bathroom, and the living room because my whole place is like one big bed. I even got mattresses propped up against the wall so I can fuck bitches standing up.
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@ Lisa
Regarding sincerity, there are millions of betas who sincerely profess their interest in an attractive girl but either get shot down or, even worse, get led on and treated as emotional tampons.
I think this point all revolves around relative social value. If the guy has a higher social value than the girl, then the girl just wants him to be sincere (because the attraction is already there). If the guy has lower social value than the girl, then all the sincerity in the world won’t help the guy — that’s why game is helpful.
The crux of this blog and the concept of game is to help guys get higher value women. That’s why “sincerity” is not discussed — there’s an assumption that the guy is sincerely interested in the girl, hence the need for game to give him an added boost (like makeup or pushup bras).
You’re only a stalker if you’re ugly.
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Whiskey:
I see the theoretical basis on women agreeing to share alphas,
but how do you explain female jealousy then? Everyone with some experience with women knows how jealous they can get.
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Anony and Jane, I disagree about the divorced thing, especially in more conservative circles.
It’s hard to tell what someone’s history is on sight, except by their conduct. Especially as a woman crests 30, one’s carriage becomes almost as important as one’s looks because it will effect one’s ability to age gracefully. I’ve been the “wingman” on many occasions, and most recently on the fly, for a guy I barely knew, but sensed would be good for a female friend of mine.
The fact that I know men, know how to suss out a good stable one with some testicles, and also know how to bring out their sexy, made him more attractive to my friend…and funnily, to a female friend of his who’d put him in the “friend zone”.
A guy has to be able to follow up though. That’s the important thing. If he’s surrounded by skanks, and gives in to that too much, he looks like a tool. If, on the other hand, he handles his bitches well, and they know to behave when he’s getting his seduction thing on with a new one, this might make him more attractive to a young woman.
…though attractive as what, is the question. I had a tendency to friend zone guys who had too much drama going on around them. I don’t mean emotional tampon friend, but drinking buddy friend. It was like “fun place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there”. That was just me though.
In order for skank to make a guy less attractive to most women I’ve encountered (which does not include very decent girls who had good, stable dads and know men almost too well), they have to be burning skank…like the kind a guy has to abuse and treat like total crap because they beg for that kind of treatment by being so screwed up.
I was on a sort-of date with a guy once and only once, who had to go retrieve his former bitch from a pub because she was acting such a fool, nobody else could deal with her. That “date” turned to “friends hanging out” in my mind, with her laying in the back seat crying about nobody wanting her because she’s so ugly and messed up.
I leaned over to the guy, and told him to go on and take me home because it looks like this one needs more than just a ride. He was probably relieved about that.
So like I said, a guy has to know how to work it, and how to handle his hoes. If the hoes belong to him, it’s one thing…but if he’s the slave to his hoes, that’s, well…beta.
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Clio：
Men dump beautiful girls for plainer girls because…
they’re annoying. Particularly the cute/beautiful but not very sexy girls are a damn pain in the ass.
Having a not so hot but relaxed and sexy girl is one of the biggest pleasures of life. She´s yours, you have fun, and you don´t have to worry about her getting hit every day.
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…and before anyone starts in on that happening because I’m fat, that “date” was 20 years ago, when I was 110 lbs. soaking wet.
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Patrick Swayze, that is true. I work in a law firm, and most of the broads here are the most pc-addled, idiotic man-hating SWPLer morons walking the earth. They may be talented at school and possess book smarts, but they are god-awfully nauseating and completely lacking in common sense or real world experiences.
Plus most are hella mannish.
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And what about this couple?
The girl is called Dobo Kata and the man is Andy Vajna.
They where a couple for some years, they are not living together anymore.
Andy directed terminator 3
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Solid post.
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@I Fuck Bitches
Me too, bro, that’s why I live in one of them bouncy castles.
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Anonymous, regardless of what is considered “perfect”, the one thing men will always be guaranteed to love is variety.
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Consider this: already “Adventure Sports” are a way of signaling high levels of testosterone and risk-preference by men to potential women, along with income/status markers (since stuff like base jumping, whitewater kayaking, etc. is expensive).
It’s always been my impression that men participate in the more dangerous adventure sports mainly as a way of showing off to other men. Women are a lot less likely to be impressed by daredevil stuff, and in fact usually think it’s childish. It’s similar in a way to how women buy expensive shoes to impress other women, not men.
If a woman wants a man who signals high testosterone and risk-preference, she’s more likely to go for a man who’s built a successful business or otherwise has taken major occupational risks. Not some extreme skateboarder.
Peter
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Clio, another reason men dump pretty women for more plain ones is sexual exclusivity. As men think about more than just sex, but family formation, that becomes a key attribute. You can see this often in various celebrity pairings, i.e. hot but somewhat inclined to fooling around gal gets dumped by “playa” husband. Of course the converse is also true, ordinary gal gets hot in publicity, power, status, dumps hubby who remains a D-lister. Think Hillary Swank, or Jenna Fischer, or Rebecca Romijn.
As for beta guys rejecting pretty slim girls for the hot babe who rejects them, that happens in movies/TV a lot, but not very often in real life. More common, in my observation, is the same-status guy in an office environment pines for but gets rejected by a gal who is pretty, slim, but no knock-out, in favor of various bad boys or other guys with higher social dominance.
Clearly entry of women into the widespread workforce on equal terms hurts Joe Average, since now he’s observed in his native habitat, as just another drone, and not a guy who stands out. Since those guys don’t last long in the corporate mid-level environment. Thus women do their mate-hunting in bars, clubs etc. where only the peacock stands out.
Joe Average used to find his wife in social institutions, mediated by friends, with shared interests, with his workplace being a rather mysterious place where his equal status was not revealed. With the collapse of social institutions, socializing being merely clubs/bars, and Joe Average being revealed to be utterly average, in the work-place, it’s no mystery why Jane Average will share her hot boyfriend with a stunner.
As for jealousy, yes women WILL get jealous. Eventually some women decide to move to exclusivity, and demand it. Some have enough hotness and youth to pull that off, think Catherine Zeta Jones with Michael Douglass, or Annette Benning with aging playboy Warren Beatty. Most do not and know it, they don’t like sharing but will indeed share.
Certainly in the beginning of a relationship, women don’t mind sharing with other women because it’s more evidence that the guy is “hot.” Women don’t like being cheated on in an exclusive relationship, however if the guy remains high status enough they will tolerate it. If not, they walk.
But the workplace is TERRIBLE for romance. Since most of women’s hierarchy for attraction is based on male status, and most men are of equal status not higher.
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One of your best post.
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Two thoughts on the theoretical possibility of a large plurality of men becoming proficient at Game:
1–I agree with the sentiment that it is not realistically possible. Game, first of all, is much more intellectually nuanced than haters give it credit for, and FAR more intellectually nuanced than many willing students expected/hoped for/can tolerate. I remember over at Roosh’s blog recently, he posted some “student reviews” of his day game workshop. Several of them objected that the first part of the workshop, in which Roosh discusses female psychology and the basic theoretical foundations of Game, were “boring,” and “felt like school” (!! to the second one especially). These people obviously don’t realize how utterly stymied mankind has eternally been by the question of “what women want”– they expect that they can magically transform into pick-up-artists just by replacing the “classically bad” pick up lines with new ones. Given the complete absence of intellectual curiosity and disciple–which really is, I think, the first requirement for learning Game–in about 75% of the March Madness, Miller Lite Man-Boy’s of America, the remainder can rest assured that our secrets will be safe. This is not even to mention the fact that, among those who really do take the time to learn the concepts, many will simply find it too difficult to overcome a lifetime of social ineptness and anxiety, and really apply the concepts of Game with confidence and swagger (this is the boat I find myself in a good bit of the time, though I am still relatively new to this stuff). Just these two points, taken together, assure that true Alphas will never compromise more that 5-10% of the male population.
2–Let’s assume hypothetically that a large plurality of men DO become proficient in Game. My prediction is that the mating market would simply become the materialistic/creditialistic meritocracy that many betas falsely take the current mating market to be. A man’s dating market value could be determined solely by whatever degree of fame, wealth, social status, and artistic creativity he had. Lacking these qualities would mean no 8-10s for you. Overall, I think it’d be a far more just state of affairs. Truly exceptional individuals with talent and accomplishments would be rewarded with a reliable stream of exceptional women, slackers with Game would have just have to deal with their lack of ambition. No female 10 would ever leave her BIGLAW husband with some half-shaven DJ slob again, because, in the absence of a Game disparity between the two, there’d be no incentive for the woman. Perhaps it would influence such slackers to strive to be better men overall—curing cancer, ending world hunger, etc.—rather than just men with better Game. So if all men became proficient in Game, it’d probably be a better world overall. Women everywhere would be thrilled that guys were universally capable of entertaining them, and though guys would be frustrated that lack of credentials = lack of quality pussy, the frustration would drive them to do great things that would benefit society as a whole.
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That photo? I’m reminded of what they used to call Donald Trump:
A short-fingered vulgarian.
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Any more details on the Neil Strauss book signing? What was the ratio of PUAs in attendance v. those who had no knowledge of “Style” and were interested in the topic of his new book? 90 / 10?
I wonder if it’s frustrating for Strauss to do something like this, promoting a NEW book, only to be besieged by PUAs…
Great post, by the way…
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I’ve never quite been able to define my reaction to this blog except to say it’s the first I go to in my feed reader.
Jonk
http://fbcrazy.com
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Not sure I buy the argument that game raises the aggregate happiness of women. In the same way that a world magically full of perfect women wouldn’t raise male happiness. attraction, yes; aggregate happiness, no. (the female equivalent of such total happiness is a world full of rich, undemanding men …and what about a world of 10s with corresponding ‘tude and bitch-shielding…) I think of game and attraction as being customized to an individual interaction or relationship between a couple. same principles, different execution/details.
If suddenly half the men in the world became alphas (regarding attraction only – not devolving into “mad max” behaviors) would women really enjoy that more and/or respond accordingly? Wouldn’t that induce them to be sluttier by inducing them to play around more? and in so doing totally change the status quo? i agree that this is practically impossible, but it’s a very interesting thought experiment – got me thinking.
I understand hating on game because it *shouldn’t* work the way it does- it plays on the aspects of female psychology that are either perverse or buried under layers of bullshit PC socialization. but don’t hate the playa or the game – hate the underlying truth that makes it work. but don’t pretend you can change it …
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Whiskey,
Why in the world do you think “game” is hard to learn? It isn’t, plenty of average men have learned game. Roosh V once had a post about a busboy with major-league game that got a phone number of a corporate-type chick right in front of three other men in suits that she was at a table with in a resturaunt. The Mystery Method, Whiskey, is a small big, not a biblical tome.
Whiskey and TJF,
Think of “Game” as you would think of time-honored sales techniuqes.
Ask yourselves,
1)”Does the mood scam in selling work?”
2) “Does the artificial time constraint-selling work?”–(you know, the old, “Act Now!, Supplies are running out” and the………”you get twenty percent off if you buy TODAY only”, etc.)
3) “Does the hard-sell work?”
4) “Does relationship selling work to ‘your warm market’?” (think Amway in the 70’s)
5) “Does pyramid selling schemes and scams work?”
OF COURSE THEY DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And there are many more “selling approaches” that sales professionals know like the back of their hand. Many “sales professionals” didn’t even go to or graduate from colleges, but can run these (especially the mood scam——twice as effective when pretty girls at the office or showroom are in on it helping you out) in their sleep.
If a bunch of ex-jock football player sales-guys can learn these techniques, can the average VERY-pussy-motivated man learn to basically act confident and not approach women as if she was a high priestess of morality (which we both know they aren’t)? Of course.
In the West, the evil (yes I said evil) ideology of gender feminism has taught men that they are nasty and their desires disgusting and that they are at fault for all the war, poverty, and abasement we read about in human history. They are also the reason we dont live in grass huts, in fear of our lives from wild animals, with lives of unimaginable luxury even for the poor. (Think about what life would be like without central heating and air conditioning and the internal combustion engine and refrigeration and cars and grocery stores and television sets and computers and microwave ovens and garage door openers and every other thing those old boring white males invented folks).
“Game” was inevitable when people started going to bars to look for potential mates instead of their churches and high schools. “Game” is just a way of “pumping iron” with your personality to make yourself more attractive that isn’t measurable with a tape measure like bodybuilding is. You can only make your physique look so good with weights, and then you hit diminishing returns, but “game” allows men to act in ways that generate attraction for women. If you —truly– reject “game”, then don’t pump iron either, becuase you are doing both for the same reason……………….to be more attractive to the opposite sex.
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whiskey:
The scarcity mentality is one of the things you must abandon in order to ever gain proficiency at game. Even if you banged a new 10 every day for your entire post-pubescent life, you’d have been with but a tiny fraction of the 10s in the world, to say nothing of all the less hot but still doable women out there. While it’s true that there are a finite number of women in the world, the number is sufficiently large that for any individual man, it may as well be infinite. As such, the scarcity mindset is a defeatist one designed only to soothe your ego in the face of personal failures. Get out more, start experiencing the abundance of women in the world, and your life and game will be better for it.
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I mean, why do so many beautiful women get dumped by their boyfriends for plainer ones (I have seen this happen)?
The women had poor personalities and therefore were considered poor long term partners.
How is it that some men have plenty of Game but no other form of social dominance?
There is phenonmenon well attested in almost all sexually reproducing species called the “sneaky fucker.” That is someone who is attractive to females, but is not dominant over other males. Because of their lack of male-male dominance they can sneak under the radar and find ways to mate with the females.
Why do men who are good-natured betas refuse the slim, pretty if not stunning women available to them in order to seek out ‘hot’ babes who reject them?
Chances are you definition of pretty doesn’t match up with what men’s definition of pretty is. You are probably talking about 6s, i.e. girls who are barely acceptable, but who arouse no enthusiasm. Remember facial feature tend to matter more to men than thinnness per se, as least up to certain point.
In my experience, moving up even one point to a solid 7 is quite difficult without some level of game. 7s are genuinely pretty but not spectacular girls and, as genuinely pretty girls, they tend to attract a certain amount of Alpha male attention.
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z:
Ask yourselves,
1)”Does the mood scam in selling work?”
2) “Does the artificial time constraint-selling work?”–(you know, the old, “Act Now!, Supplies are running out” and the………”you get twenty percent off if you buy TODAY only”, etc.)
3) “Does the hard-sell work?”
4) “Does relationship selling work to ‘your warm market’?” (think Amway in the 70’s)
5) “Does pyramid selling schemes and scams work?”
what are the long-term ramifications of these “selling schemes”, especially #5:
buyer’s remorse and anger
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Heh. This was my greatest obstacle when I first read up on game and started trying it out on my wife.
It was exceedingly difficult to even comprehend the notion that if I started acting “controlling” (this was one of the biggest “shit tests” I had failed on so many times prior. As soon as she would say “You’re being CONTROLLING!” I would fold like a house of cards,) and I started taking a stand on anything I felt strongly about, I would send her running from me as fast as she could run.
I stopped asking her permission for everything.
I stopped begging for sex. I stopped trying to bargain for it as well.
In retrospect, I cannot believe that for 7 years I failed to notice that begging or bargaining for it made it far less likely to happen.
Women want to have sex with a MAN.
Start acting like one, and that part takes care of itself.
I became a true believer in ‘game’ the first time my wife told me “you’re such a JERK! I can’t believe I’m married to a JERK!” Than she proceeded to practically rape me.
It was a literal, eye-popping experience for me to see the EXACT opposite effect take place from what I expected when I first started using back handed compliments and negs and sarcastic exaggerations to deal with her shit tests.
Game made me realize what I had been doing wrong, and what to start doing right. I stopped being apologetic every time she would get upset. I stopped riding her estrogen roller coaster of emotions, and started asserting testosterone-inspired, calm confidence.
A lifetime of indoctrination by the Feminist cultural mindset is some heavy duty programming indeed.
Game is de-programming this brainwashing, and the re-asserting of the value of testosterone as positive.
All you haters…you’re either women who think you are somehow superior to ‘shallow manipulations’ or you’re an absolute beta fag that believes all of the gender equality bullshit the feminist social engineers have indoctrinated you with.
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Thursday,
“Sneaky Fucker” is also known in the blues tradition as “backdoor man.”
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Chuck,
Let me put it to you another way:
Do you Chuck, pump iron?
Why do you pump iron Chuck? …………………to be more attractive to women, right? Its why I started out in our garage back when I was 14…………….to look better for girls. Yes, I rationalized that I’d have a better fastball and be harder to tackle, but most of it was to attract girls.
Do you read newspapers and books Chuck?
Would you admit that you liked to read in part because
you wanted to be a good conversationalist, well-versed
on issues, knowing about the world and how it worked
to be more impressive to females?
Then what, Chuck, would be so awful about googling “Mystery Method” online and reading the free-E-book one night, and learning how to amp up your personality that will make both women and men find you more entertaining and engaging. One doesn’t have to use “game” for evil Chuck, they can use it to find a mate and to help keep that mate interested in them long term. You don’t have to use it to become an abject life-long playboy. But safe in the thought that you have this valuable social tool at your disposal, you will have more self-confidence in your own relationship and even should it fail…………………..you’ll know its not the end of the world. Even in middle age, you can go out there and get another wife with that tool. It will increase your own happiness. The information about what women are really attracted to within “game” will also teach a man much understanding about the opposite sex, so that he can better relate to them, and yes……………even be a better friend to them. Understanding how important status competition is to females is even more important than understanding why “who gets to run the trolling motor when fishing or who gets first shot in hunting” has some importance in male friendships.
I used the sales techniques as an example of things people could learn to enhance productivity, but as youve pointed out, its kind of a flawed simile. You do re-iterate a point Ive not-so-subtley made about “game” in the past though tangentially—-the “buyers remorse”. I think, Chuck, that a man should take a good look at himself and evaluate how attractive he is -really- to the opposite sex. If he is a 5, he would probably be happier long term in pursuing 6’s and 7’s than 8’s and 9’s because buyer’s remorse is something a gal truly out of his league might feel. I know and understand many who use game stringently disagree with that, but thats OK. People dont agree on everything all of the time.
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—20 approaches in a week isn’t hard, particularly if you daygame. Go out four days a week, approach five women. Simple baby steps.–
Try the supermarket.
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another thing about game’s affects on society:
you all assume game is operated within a vacuum in which its objects and players don’t adapt. women adapt to game and men’s tactics evolve….these two points are obvious
there is another factor though. there is already mystery’s reality TV show. 100% of men don’t have to be practicing game in order for it to grab national attention…3% of people in DC have HIV yet its an epidemic and has grabbed national headlines…although Game isn’t on that same plane, if 10% of men practice game and women largely begin noticing the system behind it all, it’s luster will wear off…those practicing game as we know it will be old hat and creepy…the level of game will again be ratcheted up…it’s a mechanism we can’t escape…someone talk me down
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z,
i respect your POV but i merely argue re: PUA game. to me, LTR game, the type Dave from Hawaii practices, is not the same as PUA game. they definitely have some overlapping characteristics, but their goal is wholly different.
i find nothing *awful* about game…i practiced it myself when i was single, and sometimes still do just to keep the fire burning. i’m just coming at it from the aggregate viewpoint…i don’t think it is a tool that can successfully help a good portion of men. it can help some advance up the social hierarchy, but they will be stepping on the throats of those men “above” them while further pushing down those already below…from the viewpoint of all men, game does not help our situation…it *is* a zero sum “Game”.
game is a Ponzi scheme. it’s also like the stock bubble of the late 1990s. those who act fast stand to benefit…those who hop on the train too late will be burned…those who solely use it’s “self-help” qualities stand to benefit separate from Game’s PUA techniques.
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As to whether large numbers of men can learn game, I don’t think that is true. Learning something requires intelligence and most guys are just not that smart. As for Roosh’s busboy, I suspect he either was a smart guy working his way up from the bottom or else he was already somthing of a natural. I have no doubt that naturals with only average intelligence can benefit a lot from learning whatever they can of the theory behind game, but your normal clueless guy of average intelligence and average social skills just isn’t going to benefit a whole lot.
As I have said before, the guys who benefit most from game are higher IQ guys who already have good overall social skills, but who are lacking in this one specific area. A lot of the guys who are taking these bootcamps and buying these products are already successful in other areas of their life and just need to know how to apply their intelligence and people skills toward women specifically.
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Whiskey – do you really think Rebecca Romijn is “ordinary” in appearance? Most men I know of think she’s a stunning beauty.
As for the youth/hotness level of Catherine Z-Jones and Annette Bening, the first was close to 30 when she landed Michael Douglas (who already had a beautiful much younger wife and dumped her – or did she dump him?), and the latter was 35 years old, and though she was a pretty woman with a fantastic body, I suspect many men of Beatty’s sexual rank would not have thought her quite beautiful enough. After all, Jack Nicolson at around the same time was seeing one of his daughter’s friends, the knockout Rebecca Broussard, who was in her mid-20s.
I still think, too, that there are more young men than you think in their early to mid-20s who turn down lasting love and the possibility of marriage with the available pretty girls for a chance at the knockouts later on, when (they believe) success and the polish that comes (for men) with being older will give them a better chance. I saw this *often* when I was in that age group myself, and I still see signs of it today when I’m among younger people.
The scene may have changed somewhat, though, thanks to the ever-downward spiral of sexual morals. They weren’t that great in my own youth either, but the fact remains that when I was in my early 20s, it was not really safe for a woman to be seen to act like a skank or slut, and could bring her terrible humiliation.
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Twice/Z —
I do think some men can make that mental adjustment, but sales requires a huge mental adjustment most cannot do. I do quite a bit of technical sales, and while there are many folks far more technically proficient than myself, few can make that jump to relating to the potential customer. I don’t think most men, who find sales difficult, can make that mental adjustment. It’s a matter of fundamental attitude and performance-orientation, not IQ.
JM — Just as likely, the hypothetical of game being universal and even would simply make game ramped up. And/or cheating. Probably with black market pheromones. Tailored to individual women. A whole new area of criminality!
Twice — I am not concerned with myself, only market dynamics for society as a whole. Obesity, many sexual partners, male/female preference for older men wrt female partners, and constantly declining birthrates means there are fewer available and attractive women about, creating an imbalance between supply and demand. Exacerbated by the willingness of women to share. This gives market power to the sellers (women) who are outnumbered by the buyers (men).
Voodude — I know many attractive, educated (MBA, JD, LLD, etc) professional women. Almost to a one, they believe and pursue nutty astrology, palm reading, psychics, and other pseudo spiritual beliefs. A very interesting take on that is the series “the Mentalist” with a fake, reformed psychic often arguing with the uber-hot (played by Amanda Rhighetti) but young, naive investigator that it’s all a scam and he should know. Women are just drawn to this stuff, the more educated the more they fall for it. It’s the blue collar, religious women, who already have a belief system that crowds out new age nuttiness, that are immune to that stuff.
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Any more info on this?
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“I have wondered openly myself *on this very blog* if the neg itself will become “known” out there…”
Does that mean using it will be ineffective? A lot of men are clearly cognizant of when women are using their own seductive techniques — but we often still get lured in.
It’s hard to fight against human nature, and the neg brings out the kid in a lot of women who will want to playfully taunt back.
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@whisky: I’m not going to claim that functional whackos exist, just like functional alcoholics. Still, do you really want to put your dick in someone without the basic ability to tell reality from fantasy? Astrology just a hair’s breath away from “my personal relationship with Jesus”. I don’t care how hot they are, the only thing that goes through my mind is “my god you are dumb.”
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err, that functional whackos *don’t* exist
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tokyojesusfist
That is the most perfect circular argument that I have ever seen. It is a work of exquisite beauty. The great god Pi shall look upon you with favor.
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Thursday:
> As I have said before, the guys who benefit most from game are higher IQ guys who already have good overall social skills, but who are lacking in this one specific area. A lot of the guys who are taking these bootcamps and buying these products are already successful in other areas of their life and just need to know how to apply their intelligence and people skills toward women specifically.
My former experiences with bootcamps confirm this. The vast majority of men are hugely successful financially and socially… just not with women. On bootcamp I’ve met doctors, lawyers, IT entrepreneurs, small businessman, etc, etc. The net worth in an average 20-member group of youngish guys is probably, on average $5-10 million or so, with many on the cusp of much greater earnings (see dougjnn’s comments about I-bankers and doctors at age 35).
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JM:
> 2–Let’s assume hypothetically that a large plurality of men DO become proficient in Game. My prediction is that the mating market would simply become the materialistic/creditialistic meritocracy that many betas falsely take the current mating market to be.
An alternative was of reaching this, of course, is Whiskey’s description of the recent past in the West — let all men have minimal game, with patriarchy and monogamy the rule. In such a circumstance, with Game held constant, things such as family background, wealth, intelligence, ability to provide, etc divide the winners (those who get a high quality of woman for marriage) and the losers (low quality women or no woman at all).
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z:
I’ll take my point one step further….back when IM chat on AOL was big, and even Myspace or CraigsList got it’s start, it was easy to pick up girls via those mediums…on a given night i could start up a conversation with a girl on AOL and probably meet up with and bang her within a couple of days…as time progressed, the quality of these women declined more and more, and now those reservoirs have been literally all tapped out…its damn near impossible to get a quality piece of ass off of myspace or Craigslist. The text message is the e-media of choice now for pursuing a woman, but who is to say that it will always be this way?
my point: the means of “swooping” women one day will be different in a not very short period of time. the novelty of the internet wore off, perhaps the novelty of the neg and cocky/funny will wear off too…
we all assume that these Game techniques tap into the hinderbrain of the female, but for all we know, they could be a flavor of the month instead of a tool for long-term use…
i’m trying not to completely attack Game since i believe it has many benefits, but i’m also trying to get a good grasp on its actual strengths and weaknesses, so my brain fires off different thoughts that may or may not be true
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Chuck
> standpoint of the everyman….men of means are more likely to have the time, energy, and money to put into learning and mastering game.
I’m going to disagree with you on this. The ‘men of means’ as you term them attending bootcamps with me were essentially all overworked men who took the time out of their punishing residency/articling/running their business in order to fix something that was very important to them. It wasn’t a bunch of idle rich kids. It was a bunch of driven and often wounded men who knew that they were missing something.
> the ones who lift weights or read various books and publications searching for ideas…they are a type of renaissance man…
I will agree with you here. Ironically, it’s one of those things that would make them hugely attractive to a quality woman… if only the woman knew about it. Instead, the low-ladder basement-dwellers were the ones who actually had time to go out and learn the trade of pickup.
One of the most eye-opening things that happened to me occurred when I was walking down the street of downtown Toronto with a buddy of mine who was in a surgery residency program at the time. We passed a couple of thuggish black dudes who were doing nothing more than saying ‘sup shortie? Sup Mamie?’ indiscriminately at every girl between the age of 16 and 35 who walked by. My buddy remarked that despite the fact that he would soon be a millionaire surgeon with an interest in magic realism novels, travel and music these thugs were getting more action than he was.
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Question for Dave from Hawaii
When you mentioned that one time your wife called you a jerk, did she really seem like she meant it?
I’ve had it where women have said it in a playful sort of manner. It was very obvious to me that they didn’t really mean it.
Was that how she said it?
Or did she genuinely seem pissed and angry? Only to later jump your bones.
In my head I still have this notion (which could be fucked) that one shouldn’t “cross the line” with women. So it’s perfectly fine to be playful and use negs, just so long as she doesn’t become visibly distraught or upset.
In your experience with your wife, the times where you have genuinely upset her with your firm, confidant behavior, did they turn out ultimately in your favour?
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For what society would look like if more men had game, one should like at societies where men already have more game than the average SWPL types. African-American and Italian societies, the men have more game than the average American white male. Are the wome in that society more happy? It doesn’t seem so. If anything, injection of Game into society seems to lead to delayed marriage, lower birthrates, and a tendency for guys to become “mama’s boys”, and never levae out of the parental home. Women do become sluttier, with more sexual partners, but not any happier. Those men who have game are like pigs in shit though, happily wallowing in the fruits of their efforts. Men from those societies who only have beta-provider game poach women from cultures who have less game than the the ones the men hail from. Thus African-Americans poach white women, but those black guys tend to have less game skills overall than the average black male.
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Chuck, you have a point about some of the specific game tactics possibly not working with women(contrived negs, specific routines) in the future. However, being generally cocky/funny will always work with women because they are naturally attracted to that. You presenting yourself as a high-value challenge(cocky), who has great social intuition(funny), will always be appealing to girls because you stick out amongst the heard of betas and you give her a wide range of emotions she loves to feel.
And besides, how will she know you’re “gaming” her? For all she knows, this is exactly who you are. As long as you aren’t using other people’s lines, there is no evidence that you aren’t being authentic. Some guys are naturally like this (the so called “naturals”).
I know people are going to cry about congruency once you’re possibly in a LTR with a girl who you weren’t sincere with from the beginning. But I subject to the notion that once you sleep with a girl, you get a little more leeway as far as game goes. Plus, it is not hard to be cocky with girls you’re already started sleeping with. It seems to be second nature at that point.
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Thursday:
In some species of lizards, three different sexual strategies of males — violent alpha harem-keeper vs. cooperative beta monogamist vs. sneaky fucker — can even be recognized by their colors:
http://bio.research.ucsc.edu/~barrylab/lizardland/male_lizards.overview.html
By the way, I think this is the main reason why in game-related discussions, questioning the applicability of the term “alpha” to successful PUAs often draws such irate reactions (this blog being a prime example). We still know very little reliably on what exact mating strategies evolved in the human ancestral environment and how exactly they map onto the behavior observed in various human cultures. However, whatever they are, it seems obvious that a successful seduction artist replicates some such promiscuous strategy. Of course, PUAs like to think of themselves as alphas, but it’s more probable that at least certain styles of game are actually reproducing the human sneaky fucker strategy. I’m not surprised that this suggestion might wound their pride, especially since in many species, the sneaky fucker strategy is partly based on imitating the look and behavior of females.
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Oh, it was definitely playful. I don’t remember the exact conversation, but it was one in which I was playfully saying something extremely politically incorrect and misogynistic….along the lines of how of course she was going to service me, if she didn’t, there were plenty of women that will…and she’ll like it and cook me dinner after wards. I was seriously joking.
And before anyone decides to chime in and disparage my wife, I assure you folks, she gives as good she gets.
As for “crossing the line,” well, I had to change my entire mindset, as my whole interaction with her was fear of crossing her line.
I’ve now changed my entire mentality and interaction with her and other women.
Don’t cross MY line.
Yup.
Prior to game, I would fall into these passive-aggressive psycho-dramas of buying her flowers, trying to supplicate her anger, begging her to just see reason, to stop ignoring me…
Looking back on it, she was simply being contemptuous of my disgusting beta behavior. The more I tried to suck up and beg and plead with her into being reasonable and agreeable, the more unreasonable and disagreeable she became.
Now that I no longer do it, if we do argue, it’s brief, passionate, and than it’s over.
No begging or pleading with her not to be angry. You want to be angry and fight? Go then, I’ve got better things to do.
She may disagree with me on something…she may be mad at me for something…but she respects me now.
I had to literally de-program this idea that men and women are “equal.” She does NOT see things with logic as the guiding principle of reasoning. As with most women, emotions reign in their thought processes.
This is what makes me laugh out loud at tokyobetagrist.
He thinks game only works on dumb, unworthy women, and the kind of woman HE fantasizes about ending up in a LTR with, would be a reasonable, intelligent and logical female who doesn’t let her emotions dictate her behavior.
That’s when it became oh so clear that he’s never lived with a woman (any woman…sister, mother, aunt, cousin etc.) before (at least a FEMININE woman).
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“if 10% of men practice game and women largely begin noticing the system behind it all, it’s luster will wear off…those practicing game as we know it will be old hat and creepy…the level of game will again be ratcheted up…it’s a mechanism we can’t escape…someone talk me down”
What can women do if guys learn game?
Their mental toolkit consists of ignore and shit test.
Let’s say they ratchet up the ignore response. Approaching gets harder; bitch shields go up in public, day game becomes night game. So what? Guys pick up girls with night game all the time.
Ok, that didn’t work. Let’s say they ratchet up the shit testing. That’s even worse for them (if they’re trying to avoid being attracted to gamers). A shit test has basically two possible outcomes: guy fucks up and she loses interest or guy passes and she is more attracted. By hyping up her defenses she actually makes herself more vulnerable.
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Ok, let me make it real simple to you all.
Women are very very hungry for sexually dominant men, who will also take a care to making sure they get off big time.
Game signals to women that that’s who you are.
Got it?
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Got in one Dougjnn
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Steve:
“What can women do if guys learn game?
Their mental toolkit consists of ignore and shit test. ”
No, the worst thing women can do if men learn game, for themselves and men in general, is sleep with those men.
The only thing railed against harder on this board than beta males is sluts and whores. if women become even stronger candidates for pump and dump how does that improve male happiness? either we relax the constraint against a minimal number of sexual partners for these women or we stop advocating PUA game…personally, i’m a little less slut-averse than many, so i can gel the two, but for many men, their gaming of girls and the girl’s purity are by definition mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive.
again, all of my points are to be considered in the aggregate…a single man can benefit greatly from game…he can fuck a large number of girls for years and then settle down when he wants, but once some critical mass of males practicing game appears, the social static and upheaval will be noticable, and we men will be right back at square one
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Why do men who are good-natured betas refuse the slim, pretty if not stunning women available to them in order to seek out ‘hot’ babes who reject them? Whiskey seems to think that this never happens; that the rejection of betas is all women’s fault – but what I see doesn’t bear that out.
They may not realize that they’re Betas, either they’re clueless about it or are engaging in a bit of self-delusion. Another possibility is that they’re the sort who’ll take a chance on the longshot rather than go for a safe but less satisfying alternative.
Peter
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Chuck says, “…although Game isn’t on that same plane, if 10% of men practice game and women largely begin noticing the system behind it all, it’s luster will wear off…those practicing game as we know it will be old hat and creepy…”
No it won’t. I winged Eric (on-the-fly pursuer of college-girl friend) *because* I figured he was in game mode. Little did I know, it was all natural, and he really is an excellent photographer by trade…but still, I was impressed with his skills. He was persistent without being creepy. 🙂
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eh, if all women magically became 10s overnight, guys would be thrilled to death… for about a month.
And then they’d go right back to the real business of men: trying to one-up each other.
I really don’t believe that most men spend that much time thinking about/dealing with women. (unless they are, say, guys who write books about pickup. But that’s business.)
This is why guys “betaize” and settle down in their 20s with perfectly average girls: average guys would rather think about something OTHER than constantly Dealing With Women.
Of course, this often translates to a go-along-get-along policy in a long-term relationship, (Dave) which the woman interprets as indifference or apathy and often won’t tolerate. Hence the shit-testing, hence the drama.
“Hello, hello, hello… Is there anybody in there? Fight back if you can hear me!”
But if she leaves, your average guy will sigh in surprised aggravation, and then go about finding himself another woman.
The lower-maintenance, the better… within reason.
A few guys will do whatEVER it takes to land a string of Ms Nines, but most guys just flat don’t want to work that hard at it, and settling down with Ms. 6 is one hell of a lot less work.
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God I love body language. Knowing body language means you never have to be jealous again.
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I don’t know, OMW…I’ve seen guys do some pretty humiliating things to get next to some of my socially convenient friends. Sometimes the girl wasn’t exactly that pretty, but just fit the basic template the guy was raised to go for…You know, the sort his mom would like, or the sort who would make him look good to show off to his friends.
Men are, on average, tools, just like women. They pretend not to be status conscious, but I’ve seen alot of guys fall for butterfaces, and really go out of their way to please them.
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You misunderstand male motivation, my dear.
The only reason this is the business of men is so that we can achieve some form of distinction and differentiation to be able to get the higher quality woman.
Take away that motivation, and most men go David Alexander.
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What’s a butterface?
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eh, that’s what they say, Dave, and I believe it.
but we’re talking about a magical (um, and obviously nonexistent) land of 10s, presumably all of perfect, and therefore equal, quality.
Do you really think dudely status-whoring would magically vanish in this otherwise perfectly egalitarian sexual paradise? I don’t.
There’s always something to fight about.
Big Men would start creating massive harems or something, in lieu of just leaving the fours and fives to their dorky little brothers.
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May god have mercy on our souls why did you ask that lol
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Once, when I was about eighteen, I asked, in a bus full of military guys, “Speaking of the Beastie Boys, what does “nookie” mean?”
LOL. “You’ve led a sheltered life, haven’t you??!”
Well, let’s have it!
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“He thinks game only works on dumb, unworthy women, and the kind of woman HE fantasizes about ending up in a LTR with, would be a reasonable, intelligent and logical female who doesn’t let her emotions dictate her behavior.”
Are you saying my relationship with the trolloveofmylife is doomed because I don’t have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder? Nooo. I’ll make him read Gladwell’s Blink and Lehrer’s How We Decide to help him along the destined path of true love.
Gunslinger: “What do you offer a man?”
Rawkyo, you better be reading this.
Belly dancing skills, long hair of the texture a guy just wants to sink into, youth, (goodlooks? they could use work really but BMI and waist:hip’re great), passable cooking, can’tfoldsorry, realtively less drama and dependence than other women, fun & games (it will never be boring, my love), relative inexperience but plenty willingness to learn, clever but not cleverer than you and financial independence (my dad instilled me a great hatred of asking for money). Not really wanting kids ( love them but don’t know if I can cope with their inevitable dramas) but probably religiously obligated not to attempt to stop this happening.
I was too serious as a kid so compensating now; I don’t need stimulants or alcohol to have a good time 😉
Not too bad, I guess. But I’m saving myself for the destined day lolkyo will have me… even if it’s in the afterlife.
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Some solid knowledge being promulgated by Dave from Hawaii.
Kudos.
The only reason I asked my question is because I have adopted a more cocky/funny personality at work and noticed a more positive response from women (not trying to pick any of them up). But in the back of my mind I still have that little beta boy telling me “you should just be nice, stop teasing them. What if they don’t want to be playfully teased? etc”
The notion that an alpha male should stride through the world unapologetically is something very difficult for me to internalize. I’ve being making good progress though.
In some sense inner game is just as important (if not slightly more important) than outer game.
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oh, god, google is SO NOT my friend anymore.
my husband is dying laughing, tho.
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“Not too bad, I guess. But I’m saving myself for the destined day lolkyo will have me… even if it’s in the afterlife.”
If you have the will to pull that off I would say you are wife material for your second try.
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It’s an interesting theoretical conjecture. I say theoretical because the adoption by men of game will never, in practice, reach the point where such theoretical objections carry real world weight. Game requires one necessary ingredient in abundance — balls. And most men simply don’t have the balls to (1) drop their defeatist beliefs and adherence to doctrinaire acquired wisdom and (2) take up the teachings of game and actually approach women in any situation at any time.
Men with balls were always the ones who got the women. This is why I said “I don’t think we’re looking at a rising-tide-lifts-all-boats phenomenon, but rather the Matthew Effect.”
http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2009/03/derb_steve_game.html
The key point is that there are only so many hot pussies to go around..hot pussy is a positional good.. so the question is how Game will redistribute hot pussy, if at all, among the existing hierarchy of men compared to say 10 or 15 years ago.
It’s not enough to simply say Game will increase the notch count of those who read and apply Game at the expense of those who do not read and apply Game, since those who read and apply Game are not a random sample of men. How would the two kinds of men compare to each other in notch count 15 years ago? Females aren’t taking more sex partners now than they were back then.
Game theorists would like us to believe Game will be to the benefit of the beta male. But this would require beta males using Game to intercept more hot pussy from alpha males. But alpha males have just as much access to Game as beta males, only they are in a much better position to learn from it and apply it. They already have more “balls”, social skills, charisma, comfort and exposure to women.
If a beta devotes 500 hours to game he’ll probably get as much out of it as an alpha who picks up the Mystery Method and reads it in 3 hours. And if a million betas go out and annoy 1000 women each with their terrible Game for practice, this will further harden female defenses, making it even harder to enter the field, and making it even easier for the skilled men already past the threshold.
In sum, the most likely result of Game isn’t betas taking from alphas, or even the preservation of existing hierarchies, but beta males doing worse than ever. Spending more time and energy to get less hot pussy than they ever have.
But the same is more or less true for alphas as well. The end result of such an arms race is men collectively spending millions of more wasted hours to stay in the same basic place in the sexual hierarchy they’d most likely be in if Game never existed.
Another way men as a whole are worse off is that the methods of Game have fewer positive externalities for other men and society than more traditional methods of courtship. In the past a man that wanted to fuck more women might learn to play the guitar and create an awesome band, or compete in a sport and entertain us all by tackling some other 300 pound douchebag. This benefits us all much more than a guy who meets the same ends by running confident conversational routines and waving around colorful bits of string at a bar. Maybe better for the women, who get their attraction more through interpersonal attention than through worshiping the guy on stage, but worse for guys.
And how much cooler is it to have a woman want to fuck you for excelling at something you like to do, completely unrelated to her, like sports and music, than to have her want to fuck you because you had to devote a bunch of special energy just for her?
Game is much more emasculating and subordinating to men, than other forms of courtship which arguably take just as much energy and talent to learn.
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Good post. This is exactly like applying for jobs, interviewing, and salary negotiation. I can’t count how many people I’ve seen spend hours tailoring one resume to send off to a single company, not hear back for 2 weeks.. then totally give up… Also, good point stated above about getting over the defeatist hump. Most people can’t make it past this point for many dimensions in life. Game hate is analogous to saying that marketing and sales doesn’t work. =p
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Seems the virginity rule protected woman more than men in that regard. So that they cannot get addicted as sara put it before to a man who they are not going to spend there life with. The only dick they get to know is there husbands for most. Protecting woman from themselves. So that 33 woman in high school don’t give it up to one guy who is a good natural lover and then end up marrying someone else because that guy was not ready to marry any of them. Then you have 33 guys who missed out on a virgin wife. Seems like there are plenty of hot woman on the internet though giving it up on cam for money so at least betas can get primo looking woman if they need too. That seems fair if woman are going to give up virginity to alpha guys for no major purchase. Then all guys should have easy access to hookers to give these woman some healthy competition. Might also give guys incentive to chase woman who have already given it up.
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I was mistaken about your intentions in using game earlier
If it’s about going after worthwhile women, then power to you. A problem that seems to occur after a guy has been around a girl for a while, though is the wearing off of the “illusion”. It’s not so much getting a girl as keeping her. How do you keep her if your targets are hot and the “real” you is very different from the personality you project from PU? Is PU one-size-fits-all despite all the attempts to customize to your own personal game?
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Note to people wondering what happens when women “Know” about game…that it will somehow make them immune to it, or render it ineffective.
LovelySexyBeauty understands game PERFECTLY.
I’m quite positive she shit tests men to see if they have it.
No game?
No lovelysexybeauty.
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Thanks to modern health care and cosmetics, most women today could easily qualify as 10’s if they were measured against pre-historic standards.
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“Thanks to modern health care and cosmetics, most women today could easily qualify as 10’s if they were measured against pre-historic standards.”
Damn G, you went THERE… lol
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Awww thanks Dave from Hawaii! Glad I stayed up a few extra minutes to read that.
Not sure if do that sort of testing though… it’s not conscious. I try to be really nice actually, make all my interactions as fun or at least pleasant as possible. If a guy is really aggressive though, if he’s not all around good I will sort of just lose interest… seriously. Will have to think about this some more.
Alright good night all happy commenting. Read you alll later.
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“paperdreamer
I was mistaken about your intentions in using game earlier
If it’s about going after worthwhile women, then power to you. A problem that seems to occur after a guy has been around a girl for a while, though is the wearing off of the “illusion”. It’s not so much getting a girl as keeping her. How do you keep her if your targets are hot and the “real” you is very different from the personality you project from PU? Is PU one-size-fits-all despite all the attempts to customize to your own personal game?”
Once you have sex with a woman and have been with her for a while Paper I think they normally want to marry you because they choose to have sex with you and it wasn’t a one night stand. From my perspective the man is the one who has the power to marry or not once the woman gives it up. The woman pretty much ready for marriage.
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LovelySexyBeauty understands game PERFECTLY.
I’m reading the first entry on her blog about how great it is that some Indian beta is buying every little thing for her, and having my doubts about that one.
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In the midst of conversation, of course it’s not.
But you just demonstrated that you in fact are consciously aware.
A lot of women are turned off by the Game term “shit test.”
Another, more aesthetic term is the “congruence test.”
That is the means by which you ascertain whether or not a man is
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Understanding Game would in fact make it much easier for her to play her own game of having some Indian beta showering her with gifts…while she saves her favors for the alpha that games her later.
Very few women can resist the allure of exercising their sexual attraction powers of manipulation on men…especially the beta’s they hold in contempt.
“If he’s dumb enough to buy me all these things and be my doormat with the notion that he’s gonna get some, that’s HIS fault.”
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Why a lot of guys from “third” world countries kind of winning the “game” even though they have to work hard and save money. Once they do they can marry a virgin.
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Getting better Game is good in the same uncomplicated way that it is Good when a woman finds a gym and loses the lard-flesh. It is totally the same.
I mean, would you rather be poor and sick or rich and healthy? Stop thinking too much about simple questions. Just go toward the light. Even plants can figure this out.
The moral issues regarding “Game” are actually the easiest to answer. Because women instinctively offer sex to guys who offer to them what they really need – the truth about women is expressed by their fuck-history. Study that and ignore everything else. . And how can it be wrong to meet someones most authentic needs???
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Amen.
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epiclolz:
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_would_have_been_considered
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Rum: “Go to the light!”
If more people understood this implicitly from an early age, much human suffering could be avoided. Smart people are sometimes worse than dumb ones at really getting it, though… they overthink.
“What is the light, really? An illusion? A trap? God? Submerged childhood memories? Unconscious evolutionary imperatives shrouded in competing cultural narratives?”
On that note, why am I here, filling my head with nihilistic garbage, when it is probably not the light I seek?
Perusing McMurray Hatchery’s online catalog is probably more inspiring.
Now there are some hot chicks for you!!
Only 2 bucks apiece, overnight mail, so long you don’t mind butchering some dudes along the way.
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JAM! Hahahaha!
The Onion is funniest when you’ve been drinking a little.
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Omw
Silly girl. The Light is a dripping wet pussy. Since you cannot offer that, there is no good reason to put up with hearing/reading your irritable screeds. On the other hand, if you have a younger sister…
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Do you ever think about Game and chicken-husbandry together? Every time I kill an upstart young cock, or an old hen, I ponder a little.
The roosters are essentially rather useless if your breed of chicken has had their maternal instinct bred out of them, (unless you have an incubator.)
Even then, it is cheaper to just buy the next generation of hot chicks from the feed store.
The thing is, one rooster in the backyard is purely ornamental. He stays for his loveliness. His brothers become Sunday dinner.
The hens are useful till they quit laying regularly, and then they too are made into stew.
I’m not breeding any of them.
Do the hens and my rooster fight about who is morally superior, or do they know that I’m eventually going to put all their necks under the broomstick?
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no, I know you don’t care what I think, but is there some reason I should be interested in what you think?
That’s the question I ask.
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Understanding Game would in fact make it much easier for her to play her own game of having some Indian beta showering her with gifts…while she saves her favors for the alpha that games her later.
Oh for sure. It just didn’t sound like she was that darkly self-aware about how this guy was affecting her attraction towards him.
Great, he escorted her all the way home, and didn’t even try to make a move! What a “nice guy”. All those expensive gifts are so sweet, he’s just being “nice” to her. Making a sexual advance on her just wouldn’t be “nice”. Because women don’t like that. They just want you to buy them spa vacations and change their light bulbs. It’s only “nice” when sexually attractive men with dignity and options make sexual advances on them. Not betas who buy her things like she’s a high-class prostitute.
So basic question: large number of men learn game. Will this increase or decrease happiness? And how will it affect the AVERAGE man’s happiness?.. This should make average male happiness rise, as well as aggregate male happiness
Your assumptions are faulty. All things equal, the less conservative, the less religious, and the less traditional men and women are, the less happy they get.
So that is your answer.
The hedonistic society is the society where most people end up on the bottom, all are against all, and the worst people rise to the top.
Everything changes if men refuse to date women with past sexual histories.
Right, which is half the reason for the angst on this blog:: there are no more good women worth investing in, just a society of sluts, who are prone to cheating and divorcing.
A few alphas might be able to have a lot of sex partners and then marry a woman who is both virginal, slutty, and faithful. All men can’t do this.
The men who profit most off of Western sexual values are the numerous men from the third-world who go to university in Europe and America, have promiscuous sex and/or children with white women.. like say Barack Obama Sr.. and then go back to the third-world and marry their traditional, faithful virgin brides. Most Western alphas and betas are left with the choice to marry the same promiscuous, unreliable Western women.
Men want both wives and sluts, and they end up pissing in their own well when they create too many sluts, and don’t have any good wives left.
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OMW
Chickens?? They eat dirt, mostly, and then their silly,tiny heads get chopped off & then their fat-helpless bodies are baked in a really hot oven.
Why do we call you “Chicks”????
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Why do you call your favorite body part “Cock?”
In their defense, they have to eat gravel. Gravel is their teeth, you know. Mashes up the grain and pillbugs.
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OMW
What women call my favorite body part is “Magnus Maximus”. Women get very quiet when their cervix gets pushed up against their throat.
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Your cock is undoubtedly more impressive than mine.
But has yours got iridescent black feathers?
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That guys should be fighting women is a melancholy and un-natural outcome.
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Go to the light, Rummy. Go to the light.
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Actually, though, I think I’m going to bed.
The light will go to ME at six in tomorrow morning, ready or not.
Happy chicken dreams!
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Lack of knowledge about the past seems to be confusing some people.
I suggest all people who believe this:
Where we were before the sexual revolution and various social revolutions, as far as I can tell:
-relative mating parity among men
-stricter social interactions limiting the extent to which men could use “game” to prove their worth
-Social shaming, forcing relative monogamy, reinforcing the above trends
read F. Scott Fitzgerald’s “Bernice Gets A Bob”.
It is an excellent story, but also shows how society understood another ‘clever’ tendency of female decision making and decided to destroy it. That is the ability to in seconds know a man entirely. Perhaps when all people lived in small villages this worked great. Because in seconds you can recall the history you already knew of the guy and his family.
Not so great now.
So they FORCED in social mixers, women to interact with multiple men. Even ‘lesser men’. To bad. There was game playing, and this and that, but girls were EXPECTED to dance with and talk with more than one guy.
Notice the force towards ‘non-monogamy’. However, the key here is forced to ‘non-monogamy’ with guys other than the five super-status guys all the girls are trading around.
For Girls:
They WILL be forced to talk with people they find ‘boring’ or whatever. Grow up and stop being a brat. Back then, women were even expected to be entertaining themselves(see below).
For Guys:
Guys SHALL BE REQUIRED to learn how to interact with women or they SHALL BE HUMILIATED.
“Here is a Girl, go talk to her!”
“I don’t wanna!!! One girl vaguely tolerates me, can’t I marry her?”
“DO IT!”
“NNNOOOOOOOO!!!”
Wouldn’t it be easier to convince your male friends to learn Game if they were required to undergo weekly humiliation whether or not they wanted to?
In the story, Bernice is found to be insufficiently charming by the men, and suffers for it.
Let me repeat that for my readers.
BERNICE, THE FEMALE, IS FOUND INSUFFICIENTLY CHARMING BY THE MEN, AND SHE SUFFERS FOR IT.
Anyway, I think Game works for more than just the initial interaction, I think it’s even more important in LTR. BUT, no one here even makes the claim that it doesn’t help keep a woman talking to you initially.
And here is the thing. If someone can’t get a woman to talk to him for more than five seconds, then how does he marry her?
Women are WAAAAYYYYY to proud of their judgement. Feminism has taken a bad quality of women and made it assume truly frightening proportions. Game prevents them from shooting themselves in their pretty little feet with snap judgements.
And all men getting auditions isn’t an ‘arms race’ either.
Of course it would be better if we had some sort of social institutions, but I don’t see any, do you? They existed, but they don’t seem to now.
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My brain hurts. I can’t respond to anything. I think I’m melting. 🙂
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So I got this bitch who sits next to me in class, I’d rate her an 8, 5’9, brunette, nice ass, kinda feisty, gives me mixed signals, I think she might be dating some short dude with a six figure job offer.
Game techniques?
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It all tastes like Chicken if your tongue is in deep enough…
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whiskey: “I know many attractive, educated (MBA, JD, LLD, etc) professional women. Almost to a one, they believe and pursue nutty astrology…new age nuttiness”
Astrology isn’t “new age nuttiness” – it’s been around for thousands upon thousands of years and has existed and often flourished in all of the most advanced cultures on Earth; there is a kernel of truth to it, especially if you study the more scientific and modern portions of it focused on the astrological aspects…the astrological signs like Taurus, Gemini, and such can be ignored, as they are bunk – but the astrological aspects (conjunction, square, opposition, etc) are for real; see:
+ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspects
+ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmobiology
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I’m a four, and usually date sevens up nines. There is no buyers remorse if the whole package is balanced. An older and uglier guy like me expects to compromise on intelligence and class, if he wants beauty. Or compromise on fidelity, if he wants beauty and brains. Or compromise on mental stability, if he wants beauty, brains, and faithfulness. It’s the whole package that must be balanced – not the looks.
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transliteration:
I don’t want trouble. I’m just sayin’. I’m not being an agitator.
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It’s a beta stance. Make your point, boldly. In Strunk and Whites book Elements of Style, White mentions that regardless of if you are right or wrong, be right or wrong boldly. Don’t mewl about it.
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I liked Comment Unless’ comments, esp. the part about how feminism has brought out the worst in female judgementalism.
However, the F. Scott Fitzgerald story referenced is titled “Bernice Bobs Her Hair,” not “Bernice Gets a Bob.” It’s also largely about female jealousy, competition and revenge. The story is online if you Google the title, and there’s a Wikipedia summary.
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What you people here refer to as ‘game’ is nothing new – it has another more ancient name: ‘charisma’
Since charisma is an inborn trait, it cannot be taught or learned, though it can be studied; as such people might be able to pick up the rudimentary skills to appear more charismatic and thus have more ‘game’ and confidence, but more often than not you just come off as a fake and a fool. Again, charisma/game is inborn and if you do not have it you can never truly gain it.
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Truthiness
Everybody has some charisma. As with any brain function, it can be stressed and improved upon.
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truth:
amazing that we’ve spent so much time throwing the word game around, and i can’t recall once that the word charisma has come up….
you’re spot on btw….
what is charisma? how has it evolved? is charisma learnable? why am i asking so many questions? how did i get this drunk?
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I have friend, she is 10+, a lot of guys gets spelled by her. She could have anyone she wants but she deliberately go for lower betas.
Im pending bw beeing a 7-10 and she is going for guys i would never touch, even if im not as good looking as her. I think its a joke when she says she is into that guy,, and i think i know why she does it. The thing is with her game she loves drama and to be able to make a mess. The guys she choose will be able to tolerate her for a longer time then guys that are used to get girls. Her relationships last around a year and then the guys leave her.
She is my friend she is great fun. Im trying hard to change her, coz she is suffering from all these losses. in the end, she always does the same mistakes, she enjoys it to much to let it go.
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I don’t think I would like to manage a relationship using sales techniques.
I don’t lift weights to be more attractive to women, I have more practical concerns (and since there exist no women who I’m interested in and who are available to me, it makes no difference what women think of me). There is no logical connection between weight lifting and game, so rejecting one doesn’t in any way mean that you must reject the other.
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There’s nothing circular about it.
Dave from Hawaii
It’s too bad game didn’t teach you anything about logical fallacies, such as false dichotomies (also, how are you not a “beta fag” for obediently putting up with your wife’s shit tests, and bullshit in general, instead of dumping her?).
And of course you accept this bullshit without question. Tell me again why you’re not a beta chump?
I still don’t play the game, so I’m still not bound by its rules. Sorry.
I was simply explaining what constitutes a “reasonable woman,” and what kind of a woman I would like to be with. At no point did I say that such women exist in large numbers.
Unlike you, I don’t accept bullshit behavior.
Bhetti
Go troll some other site.
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Bik
There you have it – it’s a fair trade for a girls with 10 looks to date a 7, if he is willing to put with her mental imbalance. If she wasn’t nutso, she’d date higher.
Nutso girls can a be a great, temporary thrill ride. Roller coasters have their place in life.
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This is why guys “betaize” and settle down in their 20s with perfectly average girls: average guys would rather think about something OTHER than constantly Dealing With Women.
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A few guys will do whatEVER it takes to land a string of Ms Nines, but most guys just flat don’t want to work that hard at it, and settling down with Ms. 6 is one hell of a lot less work.
Exactly. Lot’s of men are happy with loving relationships with acceptable looking women who are low maintenance. It would be different, though, if women and sex were the only thing worth pursuing in the world.
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if 10% of men practice game and women largely begin noticing the system behind it all, it’s luster will wear off…those practicing game as we know it will be old hat and creepy…the level of game will again be ratcheted up…it’s a mechanism we can’t escape…someone talk me down
I thought the same thing about boob jobs, but I still find myself attracted to tits 😉
Seriously though…game is basically reshaping one’s personality to be more attractive to women. Why would an increase in the number of attractive guys suddenly cause a reverse in women, making such behavior unattractive? Isn’t attractiveness coded genetically? It’s not a higher mental function. It’s not something they learned, it’s something they were born with. A woman can’t simply change her mind about who she is attracted to. If women could do this, women would be sleeping with all the nice guy betas they say they want.
The phrase “social dominance” implies too much for the logical male reader. Most guys read that and think “by definition only a few can be dominant”. But you don’t have to actually be dominant in the analytical male sense to project a dominant attitude and confidence, which will attract women regardless of your actual position. Women don’t logically analyze a social group and mathematically rank the men, targeting only the top X%. They’re women. They don’t do anything logically.
We don’t respond to them that way either. If you were surrounded by 9’s and 10’s, you wouldn’t purposely ignore the 9’s. The 9’s would still be attractive.
I have a friend who is very down on his luck right now. No man would consider him at the top of the social ladder. But he’s screwing new women left and right. He acts confident no matter what’s happening in his life.
It’s just not a zero sum game.
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For those guys who think game is zero sum and women will “adapt”, here’s something else to think about:
* Generally a woman will respond to a guy who is gaming her even when she knows it and says as much to his face! As long as he can pass this shit test and keep his game on, it will work. Women aren’t stupid. They know you want to screw them whether they’ve heard about game or not. But they still follow their DNA when it comes to feeling like they want to screw you. Those switches are hard coded.
Think of it from your perspective. A girl approaches you in a bar. She’s got on a tight top and a short skirt. She’s showing off the goods. You know she is. You know why she is. You know what she wants, and with a little bit of flirting on her part, you’ll know she wants it from you. Does that make her tits, ass, or legs any less attractive? Do you “adapt” to her “game” by rejecting her and going home with the fattie in the corner?
Women have different switches, but they are switches. Those switches aren’t going to change any time in the next thousand years.
* I know I’ve read somewhere that PUA’s have coached students practically in front of their targets. And that doing this didn’t wreck the whole thing. Think about that.
Women might reject an overused opener, magic trick, or script, but that’s the extent of it. Just more reason to build your inner game to the point that you don’t need canned material.
To believe that women will learn about game and “adapt” to reject game behavior is to believe that women are the higher functioning, morally superior beings of light feminists want us to believe they are. It’s to believe that women are sophisticated in their attraction and mating choices, making rational choices while men are just primitive animals easily turned on and off by simple cues.
They might tell themselves that. They might want us to believe it. But that’s not their true nature. If it was they would never cheat. They would never choose the bad boy over the good boy, never risk losing the beta provider for the temporary alpha.
Aren’t we supposed to be setting aside these pretty lies about women?
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Gunslingergregi
What do you offer a man?
I like this, simple to the point. Strong and powerful.
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Finally. This discussion was bogging down in theory.
Yes.
Blog posters can bore to tears with moot discussions. What would happen in 100 years. What might be the situation regarding dna and instinct.
In practical application, it’s just as you said. Doesn’t matter if you tell a woman that you are hypnotising her. Tell her that you are using NLP techniques. Spell out exactly all your magic tricks. They work, because the brain is not a social construct.
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LovelySexyBeauty wrote:
Really? There’s no doubt game works, but jumping up and down like a little school girl and saying that the world would be a utopia if everyone behaved artificially is pathetic. Pretending you’re a challenge, manipulating your value, conducting yourself like an asshole with women — these things are necessary if you want to consistently bed beautiful women (and to some degree they’re necessary in a long-term relationship), but it’s not something we should be proud of. Get a hold of your panties.
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The men who profit most off of Western sexual values are the numerous men from the third-world who go to university in Europe and America, have promiscuous sex and/or children with white women.. like say Barack Obama Sr.. and then go back to the third-world and marry their traditional, faithful virgin brides. Most Western alphas and betas are left with the choice to marry the same promiscuous, unreliable Western women
Sluts are a public good. In technical terms, the consumption of sluts [by men] is non-exclusive and non-rival from alpha perspective. Only the beta, who can’t identify the slut, will think that other men fucking her are rivals because he didn’t see her slutiness and thought of a LTR with her. Barack the Elder did nothing to harm any white males compared to the harm white males had done to themselves.
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tokyojesusfist
Oh yes there is!
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How is it circular, then?
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tokyojesusfist
How is it not circular, then?
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Dave From Hawaii:
“This was my greatest obstacle when I first read up on game and started trying it out on my wife.
As soon as she would say “You’re being CONTROLLING!” I would fold like a house of cards,) and I started taking a stand on anything I felt strongly about, I would send her running from me as fast as she could run.
I stopped asking her permission for everything.
I stopped begging for sex. I stopped trying to bargain for it as well.”
^ I have one thing to say after reading that.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANY MAN WANT TO GET MARRIED?!
Back in the day, husbands didn’t have to ask or beg for anything. They fucked their secretaries, they fucked their hookers, whatever. Then they came back and ruled the house.
The MOST alpha you will ever be in a relationship is right after you’ve fucked some other chick.
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You made the claim that it’s circular, so the burden of proof is on you.
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Anon
Which was bullshit, so it’s a good thing that times have changed.
How does cheating on your wife make you “alpha?”
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This is prima facie evidence of the manipulative, inauthentic nature of game. When a woman smells “game”, she’s wise to move on.
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Default user, tokyojesusfist is the most perfect example of a retard not aware he is retarded and thinking he is actually a genius. I would not be surprised if he is Obama signing on under this handle, except that some of the things tokyo spouts are not pc-enough for The Messiah to utter.
Watch and learn how to handle this autistic retard:
Hey tokyo, please explain to the class how 1200 years of great Islamic societies are somehow proof that Islam cannot create a great society.
Yes, he actually believes that.
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lurker, we’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
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tokyojesusfist
You made the claim that it is not circular, so why don’t you explain?
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The burden of proof is on you, since you made the original claim.
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Which was bullshit, so it’s a good thing that times have changed.
Yeah, it’s so much better now that there’s a 50% divorce rate, a 40% illegitimacy rate, and every couple needs two incomes to make ends meet so they park the kids in day care or leave them unsupervised in the afternoons. Thank God we live in a better world than the living hell of yesteryear!
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Cheating on your wife with impunity and expecting her to not leave you is bullshit. If one woman isn’t enough for you, don’t get married.
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god, i love this blog.
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tokyojesusfist
You see, we are just going around in circles. That proves my original point.
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So you don’t even know what a circular argument actually is.
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I’d like to see some sort of evidence that “back in the good ole days” your typical husband enjoyed, with impunity, regular extramarital sex in addition to his conjugal routine.
Because in a Good Old patriarchal world where most women are married, it’s just plain much harder to find unattached women to hook up with in the first place.
Even if you can find a willing married woman, you have to run the risk of having her husband beat your ass first, (and hers a little later.)
Maybe your very top alphas could screw their secretaries, but for most guys in such a culture, all the women they know are married or engaged by the time they’re 22, and their parents keep a close eye on them till then.
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tokyojesusfist
See, we are still going around in circles. My original point is proved.
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That’s not what a circular argument is. Don’t use terminology that you don’t understand.
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tokyojesusfist
A circular argument is like the one you made when you said:
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omw:
That depends on what exact time and place you mean by the “good ole days”. In certain times and places, prostitution was very widespread and condoned in practice socially and legally. For example, when I read stories by 19th century French writers, visiting prostitutes is often treated as a completely normal and common pastime for reputable men. I’m sure things were different in the Anglosphere, though.
(I’m not expressing any preference for this state of affairs, just making a historical observation.)
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tokyo, proving he’s a retard:
“Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—lol. Your failure is suddenly mine. I love morons.
Wittle boy, all you have to do is *present evidence* that some how 1200 years of successful societies is NOT proof of successful societies.
tokyojesus=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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tokyo just quoted wikipedia, an unreliable source, to back up his argument.
he loses.
unsurprisingly.
tokyo= EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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tokyojesusfist
Sounds like a perfect description of your original comment.
I’ll take that as a win then. Thanks for playing TJF
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tokyojesusfistme,
not this shit again.
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lurker
-lol. Your failure is suddenly mine. I love morons.
Wittle boy, all you have to do is *present evidence* that some how 1200 years of successful societies is NOT proof of successful societies.
tokyojesus=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
It’s not an unreliable source.
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Default User= winner
tokyo= EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
Moving on, next topic: how would you game a girl in a bacherlorette party? It is tres difficult. Any suggestions?
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Days of Broken Arrows said:
However, the F. Scott Fitzgerald story referenced is titled “Bernice Bobs Her Hair,” not “Bernice Gets a Bob.” It’s also largely about female jealousy, competition and revenge. The story is online if you Google the title, and there’s a Wikipedia summary.
Well, I got the title a little wrong, so I’m not proud of that, but what the story was about is largely irrelevant to the light in shines into the dating culture/expectations/behaviour of young women and men in Fitzgeralds time. Also, I strongly disagree as to what Days thought the story was about. Let’s read a quote about Bernice:
Like most girls she had been brought up on the warm milk prepared by Annie Fellows Johnston and on novels in which the female was beloved because of certain mysterious womanly qualities. always mentioned but never displayed.
But the structure of how how relationships were carried out then is more important.
It is the ‘sea’ in which all the fishies make their decisions, so you think it’s ignorable.
Yet the ‘sea’ effects each and every fishie. Always.
Ignore it at your peril.
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lurker
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
It’s not an unreliable source.
Default User
Prove it.
jackson
What the hell are you talking about? I did not start this.
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“Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
“It’s not an unreliable source.”
—lmao rofl. You can only get this kind of genius in sped class.
tokyo= EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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lurker
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
Wikipedia’s (sourced) definition of the term is correct.
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“Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—-lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
“Wikipedia’s (sourced) definition of the term is correct.”
—pardon me, wittle boy, if I don’t believe your fact-checkign ability (That’s called understatement, wittle boy).
And, if the source is correct—QUOTE THE FREAKIN’ SOURCE, IDIOT.
At least he gave up the whole “wikipedia is reliable” meme.
tokyo= EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
Moving on, next topic: how would you game a girl in a bacherlorette party? It is tres difficult. Any suggestions?
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tokyojesusfist
It has been fun pretending to be you, but I have a life to lead.
Your tolerance for being you no doubt exceeds my tolerance for playing you.
If you found this annoying and time wasting, imagine how we feel.
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Default User, you rock. Alpha.
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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“I’d like to see some sort of evidence that “back in the good ole days” your typical husband enjoyed, with impunity, regular extramarital sex in addition to his conjugal routine.
Because in a Good Old patriarchal world where most women are married, it’s just plain much harder to find unattached women”
Verily, my son, you are a beta.
In patriarchal societies, men do not bestow marriage benefits upon women who are non-virgins, single mothers, divorced, and/or come from less-than-middle class families.
Without economic options, the best hope for these women (outside of prostitution) is to fuck a married man.
In many countries outside of North America, THIS IS THE NORM.
That’s why parents in the old country SHAME their daughters into modest wife material, lest they turn into 25 year old, unmarriageable tarts.
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de Tocqueville said:
“@ Lisa
Regarding sincerity, there are millions of betas who sincerely profess their interest in an attractive girl but either get shot down or, even worse, get led on and treated as emotional tampons.
I think this point all revolves around relative social value. If the guy has a higher social value than the girl, then the girl just wants him to be sincere (because the attraction is already there). If the guy has lower social value than the girl, then all the sincerity in the world won’t help the guy — that’s why game is helpful.”
Okay let’s talk about social value. What is it and how does someone know you have it, especially in a bar or on the street with someone you’ve just met? All they have to go on is the front you are putting up. And the more that front is based on reality the more believable it is. Reality is your belief in your inner dialogue which is built through confidence of experience.
I will never concede that you have to learn to be an asshole. If being an asshole doesn’t suit you, you would be better off learning to work around it and finding some other way to draw women to you that is based on who you really are. Bearing in mind that some women want assholes so if you refuse to be an asshole then that cuts you out of that particular market. This is the people-pleasing aspect of game.
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““Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—-lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
“If you think Wikipedia’s explanation of begging the question is wrong, you are more than welcome to explain why.”
—lol. I need to explain to this autistic retard why an encyclopedia edited by anyone on the internet and fact checked occasionally by teenagers is unreliable?
lmao. Let’s all hope tokyo never operates heavy equipment.
Default User, you rock. Alpha. Default user=winner
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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Hmm, my post seems to have disappeared.
lurker
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
If you think Wikipedia’s definition of begging the question is wrong, you are welcome to explain why.
No I didn’t.
Default User
You weren’t pretending to me. You’re just trying to divert attention away from the fact that you fucked up.
lurker
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
So you can’t explain why the definition is supposedly incorrect.
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“Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
tokyo logic: 1200 years of great societies=no great societies.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
“So you can’t explain why the definition is supposedly incorrect.”
—lol. I need to explain to this autistic retard why an “encyclopedia” edited by anyone on the internet and fact checked occasionally by teenagers is unreliable?
Default User, you rock. Alpha. Default user=winner
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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lurker
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
I’ve never said anything like this.
Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect. If Wikipedia is as terribly unreliable as you claim, it should be easy for you to demonstrate that the definition is wrong.
And by the way: according to many, many comparisons and studies, Wikipedia is considered a reliable source, at least on par with traditional encyclopedias. You have no basis for your claim that Wikipedia is unreliable.
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““Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
tokyo logic: 1200 years of great societies=no great societies.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
“I’ve never said anything like this.”
—ah, denying the past.
As a refresher, tokyo claimed that Islam is incapable of producing a great society. When it was pointed out that it produced 1200 years of many successful ones, he claimed they either weren’t successful, or, else, strangely, that somehow all of their accomplishments were secretly Judeo-Chrisitan stolen ones—of course, with no proof by tokyo, but merely because he asserts it, it MUST be true.
Facts are useless when talking with tokyo, since he merely makes up what he wants.
“And by the way: according to many, many comparisons and studies, Wikipedia is considered a reliable source, at least on par with traditional encyclopedias. You have no basis for your claim that Wikipedia is unreliable.”
—wrong. 1 (*one*) 40-article *animal* study in Nature magazine showed that the 40 articles on animals—hardly a subject you can get wrong—were mostly correct. Then another study–conducted at the behest of Encyclopedia Britannica—blew wikipedia out of the water with its inaccuracies in hundreds (100s) of articles.
So yes, if you look at the tiny sample size of the Nature study and ignore the Britannica study, moron, Wikipedia is reliable. of course, that’s like finding 40 facts in *The Autobiography of Macolm X* that appear to be true and claiming that, therefore, it is a reliable source.
but you probably don’t get that, I know. Here’s the shrot version: you are wrong. again.
“Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect. If Wikipedia is as terribly unreliable as you claim, it should be easy for you to demonstrate that the definition is wrong.”
—lol. I need to explain to this autistic retard why an “encyclopedia” edited by anyone on the internet and fact checked occasionally by teenagers is unreliable?
when a source is unrelaible, retard, you can’t quote to it. period.
QED, bitch.
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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Du.Erudite, tokyo is far from an intelligent egghead. More like a fat retard in a room who thinks that if he declares something to be true, it is true.
A kingdom in his D&D world.
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lurker
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
I’ve never said anything like this.
No.
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect. If Wikipedia is as terribly unreliable as you claim, it should be easy for you to demonstrate that the definition is wrong.
Du.Erudite
I don’t play the game.
You are confusing game with biology. They are not the same thing.
Being sexually unsuccessful does not make anyone a loser. Sorry.
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that’s like finding 40 facts in *The Autobiography of Macolm X* that appear to be true and claiming that, therefore, it is a reliable source.
The thing I like best about this book is that it has a happy ending.
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“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia”
—-wait wait wait. this is hilarious. Did the autistic retard just link to a WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE that argues about wikipedia’s reliability to prove that WIKIPEDIA IS RELIABLE?
Wow. He truly is an Obama fan.
“Why is Obama reliable?”
“Because he tells me so!”
QED, bitch.
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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Lehuster: “The thing I like best about this book is that it has a happy ending.”
—Hiyo!
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“We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—Don’t you just love when autistic retards run away because they’ve been schooled before?
lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
tokyo logic: 1200 years of great societies=no great societies.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
I need to explain to this autistic retard why an “encyclopedia” edited by anyone on the internet and fact checked occasionally by teenagers is unreliable?
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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C’mon tokyo: prove that any islamic successful society was really judeo-christians in disguise…..
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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lurker
The article has a collection of sources arguing for and against Wikipedia’s reliability. I could have linked to the sources directly, but the outcome would have been exactly the same.
I’m indifferent.
This is another one of your delusions. I have never “ran away,” and you have never been able to prove otherwise.
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
I have never said anything like this.
Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect. If Wikipedia is as terribly unreliable as you claim, it should be easy for you to demonstrate that the definition is wrong.
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“I could have linked to the sources directly, but the outcome would have been exactly the same.”
—-translation: torkyo didn’t do any real research, tokyo just mindlessly followed a source dedicating to proving itself accurate.
EPIC FAIL.
“I have never “ran away,” and you have never been able to prove otherwise.”
—lmao rofl. wrong.
I showed you basic facts—that Islam had highly evolved successful societies for 1200 years—and you could not prove your thesis—that either these successful societies weren’t “real” or were really judeo-christian successes in disguise.
Wrong again, retard.
““We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—Don’t you just love when autistic retards run away because they’ve been schooled before?
lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
tokyo logic: 1200 years of great societies=no great societies.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
I need to explain to this autistic retard why an “encyclopedia” edited by anyone on the internet and fact checked occasionally by teenagers is unreliable?
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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“Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect.”
—Because Wikipedia, whose writers we have no way of knowing their motivations or their standards of right and wrong, is an unreliable source, genius.
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when the intelligentsia begins argument on the veracity of Star Wars entries in to Wiki.
I’m off to jerk to photoshopped pix of me fisting Megan Fox
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lurker
The page also cites sources arguing against Wikipedia’s reliability. Anyway, the fact is that numerous studies and comparisons indicate that Wikipedia is a reliable source. Your claim is without merit.
I have responded to these claims a million times by now, and I have nothing new to say.
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
I have never said anything like this.
Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect. If Wikipedia is as terribly unreliable as you claim, it should be easy for you to demonstrate that the definition is wrong.
Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect. If Wikipedia is as terribly unreliable as you claim, it should be easy for you to demonstrate that the definition is wrong.
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“The page also cites sources arguing against Wikipedia’s reliability. ”
—wow. it throws up some token resistence. Must be totally reliable. lol
” Anyway, the fact is that numerous studies and comparisons indicate that Wikipedia is a reliable source. Your claim is without merit.”
—lmao rofl. Because wikipedia article says wikipedia is reliable, tokyo says it is reliable. He does not cite to any study directly or any argument, only to an article on wikipedia.
EPIC FAIL.
“I have responded to these claims a million times by now, and I have nothing new to say.”
—you have not responded, moron. You have made a claim and refused to back it up with facts. I have. Merely asserting that you’re right and I’m wrong does not an argument make, dipshit.
QED bitch.
“We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—Don’t you just love when autistic retards run away because they’ve been schooled before?
lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
tokyo logic: 1200 years of great societies=no great societies.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
I need to explain to this autistic retard why an “encyclopedia” edited by anyone on the internet and fact checked occasionally by teenagers is unreliable?
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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tokyo….tokyo…where are you…..prove your assertion, wittle man. prove that 1200 years of great islamic societies either never existed or were really judeo-chrisiant in disguise….
but you can’t…
EPIC FAIL.
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lurker you’re just as much as a retard as tokyo.
stop FEEDING THE TROLL
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spandrell, screw you. I know tokyo is sitting in his mom’s basement, throwing hissy fits at the screen, and copying and pasting like mad while he holds one wittle balled up retard fist in anger.
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lurker
You assert that Wikipedia is unreliable because anyone can edit it however they want to, but at the same time you also assert that it’s not possible to edit it in order to say something that’s critical of Wikipedia. Hmm.
You clearly have no idea how Wikipedia works.
The article does not say anything, it cites sources (which are all listed there) that say things. Wikipedia has a policy against original research.
And as usual, in the absense of any valid arguments, you resort to making things up.
I have not “ran away” at any time, and you cannot prove otherwise.
We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.
I have never said anything like this.
Again, I am asking you to explain why you believe the definition to be incorrect. If Wikipedia is as terribly unreliable as you claim, it should be easy for you to demonstrate that the definition is wrong.
I have nothing new to say, since you have nothing new to say. You can find all my responses in past threads.
spandrell, you do realize that it was lurker who once again brought up this subject and started arguing, right? Read the comments.
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“The page also cites sources arguing against Wikipedia’s reliability. ”
—wow. it throws up some token resistence. Must be totally reliable. lol
” Anyway, the fact is that numerous studies and comparisons indicate that Wikipedia is a reliable source. Your claim is without merit.”
—lmao rofl. Because wikipedia article says wikipedia is reliable, tokyo says it is reliable. He does not cite to any study directly or any argument, only to an article on wikipedia.
EPIC FAIL.
“I have responded to these claims a million times by now, and I have nothing new to say.”
—you have not responded, moron. You have made a claim and refused to back it up with facts. I have. Merely asserting that you’re right and I’m wrong does not an argument make, dipshit.
QED bitch.
“We’ve gone over this a million times now. Just accept that you failed, move on and stop shitting on the comments like a goddamn child.”
—Don’t you just love when autistic retards run away because they’ve been schooled before?
lol moron. I love how when facts prove you absolutely wrong, you merely assert the opposite. This is definitely Obama, or at least an Obama fan, to believe that kind of logic.
tokyo logic: 1200 years of great societies=no great societies.
You shit all over yourself, wittle boy.
I need to explain to this autistic retard why an “encyclopedia” edited by anyone on the internet and fact checked occasionally by teenagers is unreliable?
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD.
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“You assert that Wikipedia is unreliable because anyone can edit it however they want to, but at the same time you also assert that it’s not possible to edit it in order to say something that’s critical of Wikipedia. Hmm.”
—very good, retard. Wikipedia will control the information it wants to say—like whether it is reliable or not.
“You clearly have no idea how Wikipedia works.”
–lmao rofl. You clearly are grasping at straws there.
“I have not “ran away” at any time, and you cannot prove
otherwise.”
—you claimed that there judeo-christians caused any success Islamic societies had. I asked you for proof, since all accepted history would dictate otherwise. You offered none, merely claiming history was *biased against you* and that you did not need to provide any proof.
That, bitch, is called running away.
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Love this quote:
“That’s not what running away means.”
—yes, it is. Or maybe you’d better link to wikipedia to prove me wrong. 😉
tokyo=EPIC FAIL BY AUTISTIC RETARD
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lurker
No, my sources are the ones listed by Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a policy against original research.
There is no point in doing so.
Ah, so you’re trolling.
Running away implies that I have abandoned a debate.
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lurker–
Leaving the “just as much of a retard” stuff aside, which I don’t agree with at all, he does have a point about not feeding the troll.
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dougjnn, it was lurker who started this out of the blue and without any reason. That’s an irrefutable fact. If you think otherwise, I’d like to see some evidence.
This is what he suddenly posted, without any provocation:
I’d like you to explain how that makes me a troll.
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TJF wrote, “explain how that makes me a troll.”
You’re not really a troll; you really believe the dumb things you claim you believe. You’re more like Cthulhu; you don’t really belong here, yet you see things here that you are deeply attracted to. Like her, you also seem to enjoy being picked on in a way that somehow boosts your considerable self-regard; probably this means you’re a masochist -you at least have a martyr complex. I think lurker has you pegged though; you’ve got a big streak of assburger syndrome. There’s hope though; Brother Lupo is a mathematical physicist, and has no trace of Asperger’s about him. So, if you allow yourself to stop being that kind of an asshole, you’ll get more sex.
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Great post Rossie! Very insightful, you need to make more posts like these that cut to the chase and contain valuable insight to “the game.” Screw the haters, they tend to be losers in real life. Meaning their opinion means nothing to people like us… aka alpha or winners. 😛
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My definition of game is just killing the need to be with women…in other words to desire their company, their pussy etc… but not NEED it…
the best naturals I’ve seen simply don’t worry or care about what she’s thinking which is why the have conquered their Needs, insecurities and desperation…
they are egotistically indifferent because they think about abundance (their strongest word is NEXT) and are quite assertive when it comes to what they want and are not afraid to voice it while still remaining empathetic to her needs. they are very relaxed, cool calm and collected yet very aware, attentive and focused on the girl and the environment.
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Man, that Neil Strauss is one skinny bastard, with a head oversized for his body.
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“worthy girls don’t fall for players”
whence does this conclusion come?
“a girl who falls for a player isn’t worthy”
p.s. you know you’re a moron if you use phrases such as “burden of proof” or “ad hominem” on the internet… “ad hominem attack” is even worse. i bet tokyo uses them all on a regular basis =)
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And now I know your sex. You are a man.
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I’m taking your comment as a poetic metaphor that alludes to this comment thread. And well done, sir.
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Game is not becoming Dr. Spock.
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Women need to be dick slapped while on the phone with their mother. They love the social proof.
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Lupo
What “dumb things” would those be?
Have you actually read any of lurker’s posts? Anyone capable of even slightly objective thinking can see that he’s the biggest troll and the dumbest and most childish user of this site, and you think he’s in some kind of position to judge other people?
I don’t have Asperger’s either.
What kind of an asshole?
Since you’re apparently so familiar with the posts I’ve made here, you should know by now that I have no interest in casual sex.
goldoilrguz
The fact that you don’t understand such profoundly complicated concepts like burden of proof and ad hominem doesn’t make other people morons.
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Lupo says, ” You’re more like Cthulhu; you don’t really belong here, yet you see things here that you are deeply attracted to. Like her, you also seem to enjoy being picked on in a way that somehow boosts your considerable self-regard; probably this means you’re a masochist -you at least have a martyr complex.”
I don’t enjoy being picked on. I just don’t view pussies lobbing sorry excuses for insults from a safe distance as being picked on. It’s sort of like when my last bitch “broke up” with me over messenger.
He did it because he knows if he did that in real life, I’d have probably laughed and dick slapped him with the used dildo that’s no longer of any use to me now that he’s out of my life.
Pussies are all the same, and they all, just like girls, overestimate their value to the people the spread their lips or cheeks to. So it wouldn’t surprise me at all if you’re a peggy who just resents me because I’m the only kind of woman you respect: one who will cuss you out like the faggot that you are.
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Oh, and do let me know, dear, if at any point you feel you’re being treated unfairly.
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…and speaking of faggotry, Sara, sometimes those traditionally female or feminine roles serve to make a guy look both prettier and more courageous. It can be both disarming and indicative of security with ones masculinity at the same time.
I mean, think about it…how many meek drag queens do you know?
I’m not saying straight guys should go out and start wearing stockings and heels in public…just that small bits of flair here and there don’t hurt a guy.
To some degree, wondering about a guy’s orientation can make him more attractive. There’s the mysteriousness, and curiosity. If she’s attracted somewhat already, she might be encouraged to be more obvious in her pursuit…at which point, the guy with game can wow her with his being straight, but not easy.
During my nice phase, I sometimes went for the pretty. It doesn’t really suit me, and I’m aware of that now, but for most women, it’ll do so long as a guy is macho enough in other ways.
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TJF: “What “dumb things” would those be?”
Virtually every opinion you have voiced on this forum is, well, kind of dumb. Naive at best. I don’t believe in assburger syndrome, so I believe you that you don’t have it. However, it’s a pretty good label for your type of character flaw. Sorry dude; you remind me of my nerdy pals back at the Fortress of Ultimate Solitude. You would be right at home in a google cube farm as well.
Lurker posts plenty which is interesting, funny and insightful.
Also, lol, an enormous whale just called me a faggot.
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Lupo, only a faggot would call me an “enormous whale”.
…or a dwarf.
Are you a dwarf? That would explain alot.
If so, I apologize for calling your online Napoleon complex faggotty, when it’s just smurfy.
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Lupo
What insightful and detailed criticism!
Lurker is a walking cliche (“ROTFLMAO I OWNED U BIATCH LOL”) and a troll.
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So when you spend too much time with high-paid female attorneys who can’t tell the difference between logic and wishful thinking, you’ll mistakenly believe that game works on quality women.
A toned down version of game works every bit as well with nice, conservative church girls. You aren’t going to ratchet up the assholery like you would do with lawyers, but the principles of what you are doing are the same.
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This thread is dead, the blog has moved on… but I do want to clarify a few things since there was a little discussion about me and my blog on here (in case some one some day comes across this post).
On my blog I wrote about the ways SEVERAL men had showed me they cared by taking care of me when I needed help (including buying me things). It was not just one man. And in some cases, the person doing the buying/helping was my FATHER.
I think it’s a sad day when people start calling a FATHER a Beta for helping his daughter out or buying her things. I’m sorry but he is NOT a Beta… you are wrong. He is my hero… imperfections and all.
Also, as for the guy who didn’t try to come up when dropping me off after a date… I didn’t necessarily say that he didn’t. He tried but he tried in a respectful way – he asked rather than using some fake excuse about needing water or to use the bathroom. The way a man who’s looking at the potential future mother of his children might act towards her, perhaps?
Lastly, the Indian thing… I don’t get how ethnicity played into my post which was about how to know if a man really cares (where I pointed out he FIXES things for you, e.g., if you have something broken he might buy a new one for you if he can’t repair it by hand). I think it’s sad some of the posters above focused on the 1-2 items some “beta bought me” rather than the spirit of my post which was that men show they love you in different ways then women do. They didn’t focus on the broken light bulb being fixed, or the resume advice given.
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