Because the ‘I have a boyfriend’ shit test reflex is commonly encountered when picking up women, many resourceful men have figured out ways around it. As far as I can tell, workarounds fall into the following categories:
- Acknowledge it and plow
An example of this would be replying “Oh, that’s cool. Hey, you can bring him along when we go for drink.” Or: “Every girl has some guy they call a boyfriend.” Proceed with pickup as before.
- Ignore it and plow
She says “I have a boyfriend”; you say… “Hey, check this out. Which fingers do you wear your rings on?” Proceed with pickup as before. [See: Style’s Ring Finger routine]
- Make a clever retort and plow
For instance, she says “I have a boyfriend” and you reply “That’s cute. So does my girlfriend! We have something in common.” Proceed with pickup as before.
- Preempt it
Before she has a chance to vomit the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line, you say “I’m surprised you would come to a place like this without your boyfriend” or “Does you boyfriend know you’re out here tonight?” and see if she bites. Upside: Saves lots of time avoiding users like the girl in yesterday’s post. Downside: Reminds her of the boyfriend if she really has one.
- Indict the boyfriend and plow
The idea behind this tactic is to plant a seed of doubt in her mind about her boyfriend (or strengthen the doubt already in her mind). So you reply: “Do you need your boyfriend’s permission to talk to a cool guy in a bar?” Or: [look around] “I used to let my girlfriend go out with her friends a lot. It was good because I could do my own thing when she wasn’t around.” [smile mischievously] “Where’s your boyfriend?” Ignore her answer and plow.
- Question her independence and plow
Reply: “You’d better give him a call and tell him you’re not doing anything bad. Some guys worry.” Turbocharged plow!
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Which one of the above countermoves is most effective? I don’t know. I’ve used all of them with some success. The key is to pay attention to the point in the conversation when she ejaculates the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line. If she says it right away before you’ve gotten two words out of your mouth, it is most likely not a shit test to determine your fuckworthiness. She either doesn’t like the cut of your beta jibe and is letting you down quickly and easily, or she really does have a boyfriend and is being a woman with integrity by letting you know this up front before you have wasted precious minutes futilely gaming her.
On the other hand, if she talks with you for a while before saying it, and she has dropped a few IOIs your way, there is a good chance it is an artificial hurdle. She either has a (rapidly fading) boyfriend and is open to being properly seduced by you, or she doesn’t have a boyfriend and her saying it is just a crude shit test because she’s a woman of low character and social retardation. Either way, you should plow as if her boyfriend objection is meaningless, because it is. The third possibility, and the most dangerous female ploy, is the one I wrote about yesterday: She has a boyfriend she is not going to cheat on, but omits this vital information so she can delight in the ego stroking you give her with your flirty attention. The only way to avoid timesucks like this is to preempt the boyfriend excuse, as explained above. The problem with preemption is that it risks setting an anti-seduction tone. Luckily, I’ve found that it’s a minority of taken women who will deliberately string men along for the attention.
How will you know if she’s open to being seduced away from an imaginary (or not) boyfriend, or if she’s just using you for validation? The answer is in her facial expression. As with the girl I wrote about yesterday, a woman who looks clearly apologetic when she drops the boyfriend bomb and turns rapidly cold after saying it is an attention whore. A user of the good feelings you gave her for twenty minutes. But, if she is still engaged with you after mentioning her boyfriend, and her flirty demeanor hasn’t let up at all, you can safely assume the BF excuse is just that… an excuse. Be sure to verify her continued interest by moving her to a quiet part of the bar. This is critical. A girl in a relationship who has no intention of screwing around on her boyfriend will not follow you to a different location, no matter how good your game or how much she likes you or how few feet away is the new spot. The venue change/location move is a reliable test for smoking out the user whores.
Why didn’t you employ any of these techniques with that girl instead of huffing and puffing?
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“She either has a (rapidly fading) boyfriend and is open to being properly seduced by you, or she doesn’t have a boyfriend and her saying it is just a crude shit test because she’s a woman of low character and social retardation.”
Or a woman not interested in you in *that* way.
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“She has a boyfriend she is not going to cheat on, but omits this vital information so she can delight in the ego stroking you give her with your flirty attention.”
How hell do you know that she did in fact have a boyfriend? She rejected you, therefore it must’ve automatically been because she was already with someone else as opposed to thinking you’re not worth her.
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Self-deception, thy name is Roissy!
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“I have a Boyfriend”
“…but I didn’t ask you that!” (with a smirk)
Works every time!
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I am tossed up on this one…there is nothing I hate more than hearing a female prattle on and on about the minutia of her relationship as if it is the crowning achievement in her life….perhaps in hindsight it serves a purpose.
Off topic, I thought this crowd would mercilessly devour this article from the “New York Beta Times”…I prefer to call it the New York “Ignorantly Caviar-Gauche” Times.
I felt the author was particularly kind in describing the aesthetic qualities of these women…I believe the blonde gets compared to Scarlett Johannsen!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/fashion/22fempire.html?_r=1&ref=movies
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I was cracking up at the “You should call him and tell him you’re not doing anything bad” line. That’s some funny shit, I don’t know how well it would work though. What I’m wondering is, of all the choices that roissy mentioned, how do you know what the best method is? I’m sure it’s all individualized and you just have to use your best judgement, but is there a default to do in this situation?
I was flirting with a girl in one of my classes the other day, and she’s giving me all sorts of IOI’s, I wasn’t going to pursue that day. Then she drops the casual, “I want to go ____ on spring break with my boyfriend!” I just ignored it (as I usually do) and plow on as if it were any other shit test that would best serve being ignored.
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abe please stop making a fool of yourself and read the post for comprehension before autonomically spitting out the talking points in your head.
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^I did read it. All I see is desperate rationalization on your part.
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roissy, you rock.
Abe, you belong in a barrell in a mexican prison. STFU and quit polluting the blog comments!.
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lol abe you are rapid fire commenting a blog you claim to be above, please STFU and GTFO
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Roissy, what about adding another approach…?
(a) Directly calling her out on the implication you want to hook up with her – put her on the defensive (push/pull) and say why do you think I’d care if you have a boyfriend, are you putting some kind of moves (or voodoo, player game, mindgames) on me?
(b) Then (pull back) mention you do feel a genuine connection, and
(c) if she needs to break up with her boyfriend so she can make friends first, then you can help her with her learning lessons of independance (segueway into how a girl must be independant before interdependant in a relationship blahther- use a little steven covey there)
… oh and then swoop swoop swoop!
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Abe,
You have a boyfriend?
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Abe–
How retarded can you get? The answer is right in Roissy’s post. Reread and answer for yourself. If you sill can’t, you’re hopeless.
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Roissy–
Another really good one. I definitely learned some things.
I don’t know how you keep spitting this stuff out day after day, and in such a well written way.
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Abe–
I thought your comment was so ‘tard that I immediately responded to it, before reading through the other comments. Seems everyone else thinks it was just as retarded as I did.
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The context matters, as Roissy said. If the woman is one of integrity and mentions it upfront, I appreciate it.
If she’s running the rapo game, I walk away, though I have to admit it’s only happened once or twice.
If it’s somewhere in between, that is, she’s getting rid of me, not everyone, I used the comeback mentioned above, “I didn’t ask you if you had a boyfriend, I asked you …” and keep going. Her response to that would determine whether I’d keep going.
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Maybe I’ll just say ‘I’m engaged!’ whenever a guy I don’t know approaches me, regardless of whether I think he’s actually interested or not.
“Bhetti, listen, could I ask you a question about aneamia…”
“DAMNIT BOY! I don’t know/remember you! I’m engaged to be married! Quit wasting your evolutionarily valuable time with me!”
I will have to use this at least once. Just for the laughs.
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Tracinho
The NY Times is ground zero for reassuring women that smart and well educated with a strong professional career — and older — is what’s REALLY sexy to men with any taste.
It’s a delusion their female readership loves to have reinforced daily and their feminist propagandized (not least by the NY Times) male readership generally at least partly buys as well – or they think they do.
It’s a central mission of the Times to get their higher beta readership to be happy to settle for smart 6’s 5’s and 4’s, at least Jewish 4’s. You know, like most of the female writers and editors on the Times.
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I see a bunch of morons trying to assist their idol in his self-deception. Oh, that girl was pulling some ploy alright…the ploy of rejecting some dude she barely knew for 30 minutes after he tried to make moves on her. Women! Sheesh.
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There was a guy who spent hours talking at me (can’t say talking with, really, since I couldn’t get a word in); I seriously had no idea he was interested that way especially (silly mistake I used to make: thinking saying I was muslim was enough). He kept on saying later ‘I want those four hours of my life back!’.
I still didn’t realise he had been interested, hearing it through friends. I assumed he doesn’t care who the audience for the ranting was.
I think he was another example of bad game, kept on mentioning girls in odd ways and how not-fake rich he was.
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Abe – Why would a girl use a guys name to comment on a blog?
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“Abe – Why would a girl use a guys name to comment on a blog?”
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Can people please stop feeding the Abe troll? he makes TJF look insightful and witty.
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Great post. My favorite reaction is the “acknowledge, then plow” approach.
If a girl has given me IOIs and spits out the BF line, it usually means her relationship is weak and/or the BF is on his way out. The “BF ejaculation” is a girl’s way of shedding responsibility for what she wants to happen (i.e. shagging with a new guy). In a woman’s mind, she’s thinking “well I did my job and told him I have a BF, so I’m not at fault if he keeps talking to me. I mean, I made it clear I’m off the market.”
When gaming women, it is absolutely KEY to structure the interaction and logistics such that the woman can maintain plausible deniability for any decision that brings the two of you closer to sex. For example, I usually bring girls back to my place “for ice cream” or to “look at photos of my trip to China.” She knows and I know why we are really going back to my place. But after we have sex, she can maintain to herself and her social circle that it “just happened.”
It did not “just happen.” She cooperated in making it happen. Subconsciously, or even consciously, she knows she was complicit in decisions leading to sex. But she maintains plausible deniability.
I think this instinct is rooted in evolutionary psychology. Women must never be seen by men or by the social circle to be seeking sex even if they are in fact seeking sex. If they gain a reputation like that, no man can ever be sure he is the father of her children and no man will give her provider support. It makes perfect sense.
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Roissy, if you are working up to a manuscript of a book, Pupu recommends you taking a look at this one, in case you have not seen it.
http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Necessary-Why-You-Feel/dp/0060733144
Pupu loves it. For one thing, it has nice pictures 🙂
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Unusually relevant post today, Roissy; you aren’t often so prompt with follow-up.
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dougnjj do you spend all day making bizarro conspiracy theories? wow. just wow.
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“The key is …when she ejaculates the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line. If she says it right away … She either doesn’t like the cut of your beta jibe and is letting you down quickly and easily, or she really does have a boyfriend and is being a woman with integrity…”
Or her quick rejection is based on the pua’s socio-economic, racial or group status. If she’s a biker chick and the pua is a yuppie – or she’s not into Pakistanis with one arm. It’s not just rejection based on beta-ness, nor is it an “either/or” scenario rewarding her with instant integrity.
The win/lose proposition omits some key variables; if I’m being petty, it’s only because women have rejected me on account of my 9″ tongue.
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It did not “just happen.” She cooperated in making it happen. Subconsciously, or even consciously, she knows she was complicit in decisions leading to sex. But she maintains plausible deniability.
Sexless Sample: During our dinner the other night, non-date felt guilty about lying to her boyfriend about going to the mall and covering up the fact she was eating at a local chain restaurant with me. Thus, to fulfil the lie, after dinner, we went to the mall and did some quick window shopping.
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A good question to Roissy – how long did he wait to tell girls he was hitting on that he had a girlfriend? (while dating au pair girl) did he even bother to tell?
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When a girl is talkng to you with “shiny eyes” she is interested. If she is talking to you with “dead eyes” — even if she’s enjoying the conversation — she is not interested. It comes down to her eyes; that’s at least always been my gauge.
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It must suck to be you, roissy. That’s all I can come up with at the moment.
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abe – Roissy answered your question in the comments section of yesterday’s post. The girl’s boyfriend showed up at the bar and was seen stroking her hair.
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Mystery put it very succinctly; early in the conversation it means, “You just conveyed too much interest.” I say that later on it means very little.
I had a daygame situation a few days ago where the girl casually mentioned her husband while I was taking her number and setting up a day two. I was completely nonreactive.
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Bhetti, here are some truths:
1. every man you have ever met has evaluated you sexually first and foremost, and every time he thinks of you afterwards.
2. 95% of the time, a man will not talk to a woman he does nto find attractive unless it is for purely functionary reasons (ordering a hamburger, telling her to stop blocking his path,a sking which aisle the milk is in).
3. 100% of the time, when a straight man talks to you at a bar, he wants into your pants, or your gfs pants. Yes, even the men with gfs.
Hope that helps.
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lol lurker
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I think if a chick tells you she has a man, it would be appropriate to bust out the immortal early 90s rap from Positive K:
http://www.lyrics007.com/Positive%20K%20Lyrics/I%20Got%20A%20Man%20Lyrics.html
Her: I got a man.
You: What your man got to do with me?
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Interesting post, Roissy. But I must maintain what I said yesterday-as a rule, when in “mating ground” spots (clubs, bars, etc), I don’t approach Women. I already know why they’re there, etc. So if im there, its usually just to bust it up w/my homies. If anything happens, it’ll be because she stepped to me.
Doing this Game experiment has caused me to really think back on my life when it came to gals. And I’ve found that, every single time I approached a Woman, I either struckout (sometimes badly), or, things didn’t work out ultimately. On the other hand, those times when a Woman was interested enough to step to me in some way-and the Proximity Alert System is definitely a powerful tool to use and know in this regard-things tended to go well. Quite well indeed.
At present, I have two ladies I’ve been dealing with. Both saw me and made their interest known. One of them “had a boyfriend”. I didnt find out about that until after the fact.
One of the ladies I’ve been dealing with for about 6 years now. The other I’ve written about in some detail here in this venue. We began in Jan of this year. So far, so good.
Back in the 90s, another pair of ladies I was dealing with serves as another example. One of them I pursued in classic “try hard” fashion. The other I “magnetized”. While I dealt with both for an extended period, simultaneously and with their complete knowledge of each other, there was a clear and present difference in the tone and vibe between them. The first gal I had to constantly stay in “try hard” mode; the latter, the game came to me, so to speak.
What a difference.
To be honest, I cannot recall the last time I had a gal tell me “I have a boyfriend”. Maybe that’s because I intuitively or subconsciously focused more on being a kind of magnet, than going out and making the hard sell.
I try to be one of the more interesting, different, dynamic guys in the room. Which has never been a problem for me. What I’m thankful for Game for though, is that it hipped me to the evo-insights that “A” above spoke to, wrt why Women do what they do, including things like IOIs & the PAS. That really sharpened my focus.
Sorry for the rambling. Just wanted to suggest, that perhaps we fellas might take a page outta the ladies’ book: learn how to attract once in a while. Afterall, we all know how much Women just love the Shiny Shit.
Right?
Magnetize…
The Obsidian
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personally, i’ve never liked using the “so where is your boyfriend tonight” shtick, but i guess it works for some….
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test
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if a chick tells you she has a boyfriend i think it would be proper to bust out the rap from the immortal 90s hit “I Got a Man” from Positive K:
http://www.lyricsondemand.com/onehitwonders/igotamanlyrics.html
Her: I got a Man.
You: Whats your man got to do with me?
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—So if im there, its usually just to bust it up w/my homies. If anything happens, it’ll be because she stepped to me.—
Fo’ shizzle! Christ, you’re full of shit. Kthula should be along any minute so you two can talk about ghetto shit.
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I had a weird experience once,
i was sitting on a train, in the restaurant wagon and a very handsome guy came in, and i was sitting alone and his eyes wondered of towards mine, he had some trouble to change money, so he came up to me and asked if he could invite me for something, and i was bored and stuff so i sad yes.
After the first minutes of conversation, as he was a bit pushy i dropped the i have a boyfriend sentence, it wasn’t true, i just didn’t want him to expect something. As we had 2.5 hours of conversation, i started to really like him, i was a bit tipsy, and i suggested that whenever he comes to the city i live in, i would love to show him around and i told this in a flirty way,, the face expression i got from him was depressing. You could read that he had his mind set off what a kind of girl i was, having a boyfriend and wanting to meet him. BAD, i realized it later of course, and im so not that type that would cheat, but i told i have a boyfriend, so, i came off completely cheap and as not to be trusted.. the truth is always the best!
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Obsidian – good comments. My experience with women has been similar.
My best relationships with the top women in my dating history have been the result of them pursuing me. Sure I put myself in a position for them to interact with me; I’ve dropped the right value displaying comments and stories and I initiated coy game once they entered overt pursuit mode. Only once have I actively pursued a beautiful women at a bar and the result is good. I “dealt” with her for primarily for 7 months and it fell apart when I became interested in another girl. When drunk at a bar I’ve easily taken down or number closed 6 and 7’s with overt flirting – but I dont count that because its nearly effortless and I grow tired of them quickly.
Reversing the dynamic and getting a girl to pursue is obviously highly effective. Doesn’t that really strike at the heart of game? In theory if your game is effective enough in creating attraction and value, its logical to say she SHOULD be pursuing you.
However, it’s not an option available to most guys. It’s hard enough to even get noticed on the mating grounds much less have them come hit on you. You need looks and/or height and the associated confidence/experience. If you have good looks and you’re making rounds approaching and running game at bar or clyb a girl may think you’re a player. She’ll assume you have a gf or at least have girls in the fold. Unless the girl is super-hot you may find it more effective to tone down the arrogance or asshole game in favor of being a little more nice while still being funny/interesting.
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abegail:
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it’s confirmed. abe is a girl impersonating a guy attempting to flush out any inconsistency in the roissy target designation system.
she failed of course.
abegail, tell me. are you that boring chick who used to call herself “hello”? you write like her.
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lurker: 110% true.
The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze. It’s so easy for me to spot a guy giving a female friend of mine the old up and down, but they don’t seem to notice.
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“Question her independence and plow”
Nice. I think that if I am not shy at the time (which I almost always am) that is what I will naturally do.
I think something like:
“Wow… that’s what I admire in a girl. A girl who is restrained and chained to her boyfriend, as if she is somehow her exclusive toy, with no independent will and always waiting for an order and permission”…
Something like this while smiling. I believe that if this is done properly it will constitute a neg as well. And it will not look “needy”… pretty Alpha indeed if done in ways superb.
From here on there are two options:
1)the girl can continues to say she has a boyfriend or
2)she can say she owns her own life and such and that her boyfriend does not rule over her, etc.
In the option two, it is an IOI the girl is providing you. Continue! If she does not have a boyfriend continue; if she does have and starts to bash him, keep draging him down and try to look a) better than him and b) tell her she doesn’t need him / need other men.
Concerning the option one, the thing gets tricky. It may be a shitty test or a simply “anti-IOI”. If it is an Indicator of Desinterest let her go… if it is a shitty test keep teasing her, prefirably about her boyfriend.
How to distinguish an “IOD” from a simple shitty test? You don’t, just do whatever you feel is better…
So, what do you pussies think?
I want to see some Alphas saying I’m wrong…
Reply, don’t be shy.
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Just eliminate the abe spam already… it’s bad enough that DA is in here demoralizing me with his uberbetaness anecdotes.
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@ Azuzuru :
I couldn’t agree more. I definitely agree with this. If a woman mentions it, I think it’s more for her. Like she’s pretty much letting herself off the hook. “OK, well it’s no longer my responsibility, I told him and he’s just gonna keep going anyways…”
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ASF:
“The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze.”
I don’t know if that’s true. Many times I’ve asked girls, either friends or girlfriends, if they notice guys giving them the eye. They generally notice it, but they say it happens so often there’s no point in acknowledging it.
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“Preempt it
Before she has a chance to vomit the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line, you say “I’m surprised you would come to a place like this without your boyfriend” or “Does you boyfriend know you’re out here tonight?” and see if she bites.”
I’d only use this if I had some solid (or less solid but still some though) IOIs first.
I think that to say this it is crucial having some IOIs first because 1) you risk losing her altogether by reminding her of her boyfriend, and worst than boyfriend, that Alpha she is really wanting to penetrate her. And 2) because if you have already IOIs and she is interested in you she is more likely to say that she does not have a boyfriend. Even if it is not true.
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The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze.
I had a prof in grad school who was notorious for ogling the women in the class while he was giving a lecture. I never noticed it – and only know about it because a number of different girls independently brought it to my attention.
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Obsidian:
if every guy in the world or on this board could pull women into his proximity with his magnetic force we wouldn’t have anything to discuss.
everyone has their own magnetic force, it’s just that for every guy at one time or another, his force is superceded by the magnetic force of another guy. every facet of our lives, including game and the actual movement of planets operates on the push and pull between objects.
i’ll guarantee you the distribution of the strengths of those magnetic forces falls into some sort of bell shaped curve in which a few guys have most of the magnetism.
so basically, we fall into the same trap as with PUA game. how does one guy break the shackles of what already seems to be a pre-determined structure of pussy-getting?
he has to out-magnetize the next guy, right? OK. How?
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Azuzuru
Good comment. I dated a 19 year old virgin when I was 39. Although there was love, it was not serious – no long term expectations – she had a distant flame – I was fucking another girlfriend. While i was in jail on a visa overstay, she boffed my best buddy. Her exact words were “it just happened”.
As it also just happened, I had given my best bud off hand permission to test my young loves waters. And my young love needed no permission from me, considering my ways and esteem for her.
The bitter-sweet dark chocoloate of it, was that she would not fuck him again, because he was a bad lay, and that he was so guilty about it, that it broke up our friendship. It meant very little to me. People fuck.
Nice to know that I fucked better than him, and that even popular and handsome guys can so terribly suck and be so terribly neurotic about sex.
Popular guys at the bar, in popular clothes? Maybe they suck.
Maybe not.
Nice the my lover tried her hand at just happenin.
At the time I had reason for sexual confidence.
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lehuster
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The other funny thing I have notices is that women are often oblivious to the male gaze.
I had a prof in grad school who was notorious for ogling the women in the class while he was giving a lecture. I never noticed it – and only know about it because a number of different girls independently brought it to my attention.”
Some women Don’t notice, other notice when its not even there. It depends on a lot of factors.
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yeah girls notice when you look at them. they are many things if not observant. ive been called out many times for having “wandering eyes”. they also notice when you look at other girls, no matter how subtle you think you are.
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PA:
Great point on the eyes.
I’ve always been somewhat oblivious to IOIs from women. In the past I’ve gone through conversations with a woman, without thinking that she was into me, only to later find out that she was. We’ve all likely had those.
One thing that your comment made me think about though is that I can *always* tell, almost immediately, if a certain woman is interested in the guy she’s talking to. You can see it in the eyes.
I wonder then, why in the past I’ve not been able to use that observation to my own advantage? Are we too biased by our ego (positively or negatively) to notice the way a woman is looking at us?
I’ve become much better at it as I’ve gotten older mainly because I just assume that she is automatically into me and proceed as such whereas in the past I viewed it the opposite.
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ob:
Interesting post, Roissy. But I must maintain what I said yesterday-as a rule, when in “mating ground” spots (clubs, bars, etc), I don’t approach Women. I already know why they’re there, etc. So if im there, its usually just to bust it up w/my homies. If anything happens, it’ll be because she stepped to me.
ob, i don’t know what the vibe is in the venues you frequent, or the types of women that go there, but in almost every place i’ve been to where girls are present, and this is a list that includes way more than bars, standing around looking suave is not going to get a guy laid. girls first and foremost need to be approached. it is the rare girl indeed who will approach a guy out of the blue and express her interest in him.
now, if you are talking about proximity IOIs, then that is indeed a fairly common method for girls to show they want you to hit on them, but it still doesn’t exempt a man from making the first move. if a guy waits around for a girl to verbally open him, he will be waiting around forever with his dick in his hands.
Doing this Game experiment has caused me to really think back on my life when it came to gals. And I’ve found that, every single time I approached a Woman, I either struckout (sometimes badly), or, things didn’t work out ultimately. On the other hand, those times when a Woman was interested enough to step to me in some way-and the Proximity Alert System is definitely a powerful tool to use and know in this regard-things tended to go well. Quite well indeed.
yes, but who said the first words, you or her? this makes all the difference.
Back in the 90s, another pair of ladies I was dealing with serves as another example. One of them I pursued in classic “try hard” fashion.
“try hard” is not the same as busting a move. when a man is running game, when he is leading, he is trying hard to close the girl. that is necessary. but he isn’t tipping his hand too blatantly. “try hard”, otoh, is a term of art that means the man is making it obvious by his poor game that he is seeking the girl’s approval and qualifying himself.
The other I “magnetized”.
this sounds like a new agey spin on an age old system. magnetized? if by magnetized you mean leaning against the wall with your hands in your pockets and wearing a shiny metallic blazer beckoning the ladies with a come hither look, i don’t see this working very well at all. sure, some girls may walk nearby, but you’ve still got to open them. and opening is a necessary step of early game, shiny jacket or not.
if by magnetized you mean what most guys take it to mean — social proof, looking like the life of the party, dressed to the nines, chatting up women left and right, and glowing with confidence — then your use of the word is no different than what is meant by attraction/preselection game. girls will check you out. they’ll inch closer. they’ll bat an eye or two. but, barring a few rare exceptions, you’ll STILL have to make the first move if you want to take it anywhere more than a proximity IOI.
While I dealt with both for an extended period, simultaneously and with their complete knowledge of each other, there was a clear and present difference in the tone and vibe between them. The first gal I had to constantly stay in “try hard” mode; the latter, the game came to me, so to speak.
this sounds less like a reason to draw a strange and artificial distinction between “magnetism” and traditional game, and more like evidence that in this particular case one girl was never that much into you from the get-go. if you feel like it’s a struggle to win a girl over, you’re better off gaming another chick. an instance of a foot-dragging girl is not an indictment of proactive game.
To be honest, I cannot recall the last time I had a gal tell me “I have a boyfriend”. Maybe that’s because I intuitively or subconsciously focused more on being a kind of magnet, than going out and making the hard sell.
if you sit back and wait for women to make themselves available to you, naturally you will hear less of the “i have a bf” bullshit. but you will also limit your options.
if you are more active in your approaching, you will hear the BF excuse more often.
there is also another factor that could potentially be in play which may be responsible for your experiences. do you go to mostly black clubs? i’ve notice that black women are
1. more concerned with a man’s looks and style than women of other races and
2. more likely to make the first move if they like what they see.
addendum: white chicks who date black guys act like black girls on some metrics. they will approach black men very aggressively if they like his looks.
similarly, i’ve tried to explain this race-peculiar phenomenon to chiclet many times that the reason she places so much emphasis on a man’s looks is probably a function of her race more than anything else. but she should not allow her personal experience to speak for non-black women, most of whom respond to a man’s looks with less entrancement than they respond to other male attributes like charisma, money, game, wit, humor, and confidence.
this is why a guy like neil strauss, short and physically unimpressive, can have a hot girlfriend (whom i’ve met) and have a foursome the night before his book signing in DC (told to me by someone who knows neil).
Sorry for the rambling. Just wanted to suggest, that perhaps we fellas might take a page outta the ladies’ book: learn how to attract once in a while.
attracting ladies requires talking. that is, unless you are running mute dancefloor pickup game. but most guys aren’t because the hit rate of dancefloor game is very low, even for guys who have moves.
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roissy and Ob:
i can see this devolving into a race realism debate really quickly. i expect willard libby to make an appearance in due time.
one point i want to make on the black women approaching black men:
i went to a party the other night where this was the case, and i’ve noticed the trend many times in my partying career. ALL BLACK DUDES ACT THE SAME AT THE BAR/CLUB/PARTY. there is *very little* differentiation in their game. they generally lay back in the cut or stand around with their boys, waiting. i’m not hating on their “game”, it works for them.
i’ll grant that black dudes, on the whole, have better game than whites, but a possible reason that black women/white women who chase black men respond mostly to style and looks is because the men’s game is mostly uniform across the board. because of this reason, you’ll see black men try to one up each other on style, shoes, fashion, grills, cars etc. moreso than other races.
my white female friends who are into black dudes mostly comment on the bling and the clothes style moreso than anything else as their attraction sticking point.
at the party i went to on saturday, i saw the usual posture for the black dudes. they were mostly standing against the wall or sitting in chairs while everyone danced. (this was a european party, so i’m sure if it was a black party they would have been more in the mix)
Regardless, they all stood against the wall, like a meat market, waiting for a chick to come by, inspect the wares, and make their choice.
sure enough, the two dudes who scored hot chicks had the straightest-billed hats and the most jewelry.
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(1) i have a question…
if a girl has a boyfriend, and you (a stranger) comes over and starts talking to her (and let’s assume that she is bored), what response would you find reasonable and appropriate?
– if she assumes you are hitting on her, and tells you that she has a boyfriend so as not to waste your time, isn’t that arrogant? and wouldn’t you feel rejected?
– if she assumes nothing and treats you like a normal human being and participates in the conversation to pass time, and only tells you she has a boyfriend as it comes up in conversation, then apparently she is using you?
please clarify so us ladies with boyfriends may continue our social interactions without offending the “douchebag” set of society.
(2) also, since evolution of the dominant male is such a popular topic here, i thought you and your readers might find this story about sexual dimporphism intriguing:
The triplewart seadevil, Cryptopsaras couesii, is a seadevil of the family Ceratiidae, found in all oceans, from the surface to 2,000 m. Its length is approximately 30 cm for females and 3 cm for males.
Males are free swimming when young but before they mature these small fishes (about a tenth the size of the female) attach themselves permanently to the hind body of a female and become parasitic. Their blood supply becomes continuous with that of the female and most of the internal organs degenerate; in essence the male becomes an appendage to supply sperm when required.
haha, nature is funny!
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chuck
“I can *always* tell…if a certain woman is interested in the guy she’s talking to. You can see it in the eyes.
I wonder then, why in the past I’ve not been able to use that observation to my own advantage? Are we too biased by our ego (positively or negatively) to notice the way a woman is looking at us?”
Good point. Translating The Dance is sometimes, difficult.
I wonder how I could’ve been so mistaken when I hear, after the fact, of my error on one side or the other.
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Sputter blah blurg.
That information was an iniital confidence and risk taking booster, but then it became clear that context was a vacuum.
Cocaine involved? Low class turnstyle vaginas jumping on his cock? Any pole-dancers or friends of pole-dancers?
I’m off to Jakarta in a few days. Threesomes are expected to be as handy as a $79 microwave bargain at Walmart.
But what quality threesome, is my question.
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“a woman who looks clearly apologetic when she drops the boyfriend bomb and turns rapidly cold after saying it is an attention whore. A user of the good feelings you gave her for twenty minutes. But, if she is still engaged with you after mentioning her boyfriend, and her flirty demeanor hasn’t let up at all, you can safely assume the BF excuse is just that… an excuse. Be sure to verify her continued interest by moving her to a quiet part of the bar. This is critical. A girl in a relationship who has no intention of screwing around on her boyfriend will not follow you to a different location, no matter how good your game or how much she likes you or how few feet away is the new spot. The venue change/location move is a reliable test for smoking out the user whores.”
Priceless advice. Thank you Roissy for sheding some light upon us, mere projects of man.
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AnonyAnony
You are apparently quite attracted to the idea of being the sort of female represented by Ms. Triplewart – a brainless, barely mobile sea blob – with a comprehensively disabled “mate”
You say you have a:boyfriend”. Have you shared your aspirations with him?
Actually, what your little example tells us is that you know, on some level, that you cannot reliably attract a worthwhile guy so you dream of having one that so crippled that he cannot get away no matter how desperately he wants to.
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“attracting ladies requires talking…”
Roissy, i beg to differ. most men are far more attractive when they keep their mouths shut. interestingly, most men say the same thing bout women. perhaps it is people in general that are stupid and should shut the fuck up.
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Rum: reading comprehension isn’t one of your strong suits is it? Or making reasonable assumptions. The seadevil was just a clever way of showing how nature switches roles sometimes to contrast with the drivel that is being supported on posts here. Why you would spin that to be a representative of the poster is beyond me. What, are you 12? Or a republican?
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“Women must never be seen by men or by the social circle to be seeking sex even if they are in fact seeking sex.”
Used to… But still yes… it makes perfect sense Azururu
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Roissy, Chuck,
Excellent points, both of you. I think you both have cracked the code, and that need not be a bad thing at all.
Race realist-types have long known that in parts of Africa, particularly those parts where most Black Americans’ ancestors hail from (Western Africa in the main), Men tend to place lots more attention on what Game calls Peacocking, which I take to mean a bit more than merely looking good-it extends to one’s “rap” and presence. There’s all kinds of literature that explains why this was/is more extant there than say, Western Europe, and like Roissy says, I think its true, Sistas tend to both be attracted to a Man w/style, and, will definitely tend to step to you if they like what they see.
So, yup, what you suspect Roissy, is definitely true in my case. Like many of us, I tend to move in circles where the faces looking back at me look like me, although I think it fair to say that I’ve had a bit of facetime in quite a few non-Black environs as well.
LOL. I gotta chuckle at Roissy’s remark about my being new agey. Guilty as charged, my good man-could it be any other way for a Jedi? I was born w/the Morning Star on the Eastern horizon-being a Venusian is one of my lifelong lessons in this world. And, again, I tell you, that for me, and I speak only for me, every time I’ve tried to hardcharge a target, I came up short, or, things ended badly. I had to learn how to entice, how to reel in a target, and I had a number of informal mentors that helped me in that regard. Now, again, here’s where I have to tip my hat to my White brothers, because you guys are excellent at troubleshooting and organizing ideas-Game in the formal sense, really sharpened and refined all that I just spoke of.
But yea R, you’re right, once girly presents herself, you gotta be able to take it from there, and I recall the times when things went well was when I “let go” and just had fun w/it. All the things you and others have written about being playful, cocky funny, irrational confidence, all of it, yup it works. Its just that, until recently, I never consciously thought about it, or deliberately did it.
Chuck, LOL, if you think you’ve seen something at that party you was at, you should hangout at a stompdown club in the hood. Bruhs will usually be dressed to the nines, and more ‘tude than the gals. I know that’s how it is for me-when I step in a place w/my team, not only is it on, we the best dressed, most interesting, and sexiest beings in the joint-Male, or Female. And, we really don’t care if we pick up gals or not. That’s probably because most of us don’t want for female company when we desire it. I know I certainly didn’t.
You know, I have always suspected potential permutations on Game per racial differences, and this instance appears to bear this out. But that need not be a bad thing at all-indeed, why not take it as a kind of exchange thing? Clearly, many of my White brothers could do to get some style and flair that Brothas are world reknowned for; and many Brothas could use the razor-sharp focusing that Formal Game gives any Man.
So, why not take the best of both worlds? That’s what I set out to do. With, thus far, satisfactory results.
Oh, and Roissy, I’m sure you know that all good Jedis learn how to use the Force to “pull” things to them. Yes?
Magnetize…
The Obsidian
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“You are apparently quite attracted to the idea of being the sort of female represented by Ms. Triplewart – a brainless, barely mobile sea blob – with a comprehensively disabled “mate”
You say you have a:boyfriend”. Have you shared your aspirations with him?
Actually, what your little example tells us is that you know, on some level, that you cannot reliably attract a worthwhile guy so you dream of having one that so crippled that he cannot get away no matter how desperately he wants to.”
oh Rum. which aspirations should i share with my boyfriend? i didnt think i had mentioned any in my post. my question and my comment were not related.
my question was really a response to Roissy’s post from yesterday where he was so offended by a stranger having a boyfriend. i find this curious as a potential stranger to well, anyone.
as for my comment regarding sexual dimorphism, it was not related to me personally, or to humans in fact. that you dont find it fascinating from a scientific perspective alone says more about you than me. but i do find your interpretation amusing, really. thank you for that. your logic knows no bounds.
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Sparks 123,
“Mystery put it very succinctly; early in the conversation it means, “You just conveyed too much interest.””
So, and what does this really mean? The girl does not like it? Does she mean “slow down” when she says it?
What!??
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Anony, regarding the Triplewart, the male and female were not evolved from the same lineage. Not all evolution is Darwinian, but it seems that genes drift among more than just plants and bacteria and viruses. The newer theory is that some species mix and match, without actually fucking.
Google newscientist.com for darwin . Try ” site:newscientist.com darwin 2009 ” without quotes, or just visit and gander about.
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hey. i have some good advice. why dont yall decide what you like for yourselves irrespective of the opinions of others (men OR women)?
i know this is a really novel idea, so i’ll elaborate. it could involve reading. or hobbies. or sports. or anythign that might make you more interesting so you dont have this problem of being rejected constantly.
hahahahahahaaaa
{sigh}
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I’ve always been somewhat oblivious to IOIs from women.
The ability to recognize IOIs is perhaps the most important part of game. Seeing them is a license to put the pedal to the metal. It does a lot for your inner game too. Once you know she’s into you, why would you feel any hesitatation about escalating.
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The undistinquished should not stand out – is that your point?
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Re: “It just happened.” That’s the line my high school ex-girlfriend used, back in the early 80s. I asked her to walk me through how “it just happened” that she got laid in her own bedroom on a Tuesday afternoon. She explained:
She was sunbathing topless in the backyard when the doorbell rang. She drapped a towel over her neck so that the ends covered each breast (she demonstrated this part) and answered the door. Standing there was a classmate whom she’d been on a few dates with while I was away at school. Obviously, he didn’t need a lot of Game to get towel off, or her bikini bottoms.
A few days later, before I’d come home for the weekend, and before her tearful confession, they saw each other on the road and he came over for a second romp.
After I got home from school on Friday, she tearfully explained that “it was no fun at all” and she felt “terribly guilty” afterward and suddenly realized that she loved me, and I was The One.
She seemed genuinely surprised when I broke up with her. A couple of decades later, I googled her. Her husband (not the guy in the story above) divorced her for adultery. I wonder if she used that line with her husband. Apparently she was picking up her son from hockey practice when the coach’s dick ended up inside her, although this apparently happened in a local hotel.
It’s really amazing how these things just happen.
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Thursday
I get grenade bombs of IOIs from 6s when I walk down the street. They don’t speak English very well, so they simply say “yes”. But if as I descend the escalator I see a shopping mall product promoter, in full mini uniform, I’ll squigle.
My face will be shocked, I’ll light up – I’m done for.
It took 1/10th of a second.
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xsplat,
“Anony, regarding the Triplewart, the male and female were not evolved from the same lineage. Not all evolution is Darwinian, but it seems that genes drift among more than just plants and bacteria and viruses. The newer theory is that some species mix and match, without actually fucking.”
i dont realy know anything bout this fish so i wont begin hypothesising about its evolutionary origins. however, i doubt that it was a result of genes from plants and viruses floating around inthe ocean and finding one another…. even when fucking is not involved in reproduction (which is more common than people who read thi sblog can probably fathom), evolution does not happen by random matching of genes from various unrelated sources. maybe you should read a book and stop making up arguments that are totally unrelatd to my post.
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Highly suggest being the minority in an area where there are no other men like you. The curious woman will take you for a test drive just because no one could give them what you can because no one there looks the same as you. Like going to an all mexican, peruvian, cuban whatever club. You are gonna stand out. You will more than likely take something home. I get looked at like I am fresh meat. I go to a place where there is not a person who looks like me for a 100 miles.
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The undistinquished should not stand out – is that your point?
xsplat, who would mke that determination, you?
most people think themselves wonderful, dont they? and yet the world is filled with idiots…
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“attach themselves permanently to the hind body of a female and become parasitic.”
Ok but in all seriousness I am gonna try that shit.
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OK, Anony, you’re right. I should read a book and stop reading your posts.
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Regarding self-evaluation,, Mr. Not-Wonderful-Not-Xsplat, it is only the incompetent who are incopetent.
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I’m obviously copitent.
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Jeryy
Anonyanony
Hey, I am not the one who came up the story of Ms. Triplewart. I mean, out of an infinity of possible heart-warming animal stories this one gets offered up? I did not pick it.
Was my comment entirely fair? No, not entirely. But every time tales of the sexual mating schemes of primitive animals are offered up, someone is try say something about human sexuality but without the stones to say it clearly and up front. Therefore, I feel entitled to fill in the blanks in my own way when a poster fails to take the risk of saying wtf they really mean.
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I’ve been known to be off the wall about conjectures, but it’s possible that recent posters who don’t spell their name as usual and seem incapable of laughter and who forever deliberately falsify others ideas are all TJF.
And I think TJF is a girl.
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I’ve been known to be off the wall about conjectures, but it’s possible that recent posters who don’t spell their name as usual and seem incapable of laughter and who forever deliberately falsify others ideas are all TJF.
And I think TJF is a girl. An aspergers syndrome female. Trapped in a man’s body.
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“my white female friends who are into black dudes”
eeewwww…
Reading about how to recognise a whore in Roissy’s blog, Roissy claimed that black women are whores. Not all I must say, but there are much more whores among the black women who live in European derived societies than the black women who live in Africa in African societies. That’s because black women do not integrate as well to European derived societies where “whoring” has a broader meaning. The same happens to Asian teens and thus, probabily women in general.
I must also add that black women in Africa are more whores than European women, maybe because Europe has known and created Civilisation…
What I wanted to say is that, as one commenter said in that how to recognise a whore post, white girls who go with blacks/asians/arabs/indians whatever… are whores. You just described their behaviouring as it is: whorish. They act like that because they are whores, get over it.
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“Roissy,
ob, i don’t know what the vibe is in the venues you frequent, or the types of women that go there, but in almost every place i’ve been to where girls are present, and this is a list that includes way more than bars, standing around looking suave is not going to get a guy laid. girls first and foremost need to be approached. it is the rare girl indeed who will approach a guy out of the blue and express her interest in him.”
Sounds like Roissy needs to do some field research on the minority syndrome in an all black club and get back with us in the name of science. Or are there any volunteers. Of course you might get robbed/shot but it is worth it for you to have your mind blown.
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Maybe TJF is Sarah, without her meds?
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Well, you won’t get much more than you deserve. I’m a 4 and and the clerks at the clothing store oggle and make quite remarks as I pass. But they are between 4’s and 6’s.
I get no remarks from 7’s. And 8’s need work. 9’s better have issues, to be fair game.
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comments assuming your target girl has a boyfriend drip with desperation and low self-esteem.
and they are annoying.
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“Maybe TJF is Sarah, without her meds?”
LOOOOOOOOOOL LOOL LOL LOL…
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I don’t really have the 4 through 10 to me woman are either breathtaking or fuckable/not fuckable. When my wife puts on a nice dress my heart starts beating fast and I start to lose oxygen.
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Oh yea, & Roissy,
You’re correct about “dancefloor game”. In the main, no go. Most Women usually don’t like being approached on the floor, often they’re dancing either “by themselves” or w/their girlfriends. Plus “dancefloor game” is antithetical to Game in the sense that, as you noted, you need to verbally communicate at some point.
On the other hand though, I personally enjoy watching the girls dance w/each other. I consider it part of my entertainment when im hanging out w/my team.
“Dancers!” *O claps hands like a Sultan*
The Obsidian
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i dont know what TJF is but i am a female human. and im not a regular poster…
rum, the only reason im posting here at all today is because someone sent me the info about sexual dimorphism and i thought how fascinating it would be to watch you all, who are obsessed wiht male dominance, react to what is perfectly natural and has nothing to do with us. reproductive systems vary throughout the planet. and courtship behavior varies throughout the human race. to each their own.
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Or you ever get that feeling in your spine like you about to become a parapalegic. lol
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beatrix
It’s not exactly his esteem that is at issue. It is her esteem of him.
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And not a man in the world will say a word to detract from this, your height of being a man on this planet.
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Gunslinger
Some call that Kundalini, and some practice Chi-Kung or other kinesthetic arts to delve into it. Or just fuck a lot. Or meditate much. It can make you insane,, and often does, but you can’t beat the sex.
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Virgin@40,
It would seem that the sum of all Chuck’s fears have been realized. Welcome to the forum, dear sir.
Of course, you are most welcome to your views, but if you honestly think they are scientifically accurate in any way, I can disabuse you of such notions quite handily. Now, before the howling starts, without question there be some hoes in the hood; but by no means do they have the lock on Whoredom by any means.
Consider a major period in the development of the USA, the Old West-the vast majority of hoes back then were, watch me closely V@40-
WHITE WOMEN.
How about another example, hmm? I have in my hands, a book called My Secret Life, the sexual memoirs of a Victorian Gentleman. In the introduction, it states that at the time of the writing of the book, London-one city now-had an estimated SEVENTY THOUSAND WHORES. And, again, watch me closely V:
THEY WERE WHITE WOMEN.
What about France, hmm? Ever heard of Madamoiselle Pompadour? Or, the founding Mothers of Australia?
Now, don’t get me wrong, V. Europe don’t got the lock on Whoredom. But they got quite a nice track record.
I’d love to see one that backs up your comments up the road a piece when it comes to my Sistas.
Take your time. No need to rush. 😉
Nice to meet ya.
The Obsidian
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lol obsid that shit was funny and in character again. GJ
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You’re correct Obsidian. White women know how to play to their strengths.
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Interesting xsplat.
“It can make you insane,, and often does, but you can’t beat the sex.”
Too fin funny.
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nice double entende however you spell it.
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Anonynony
Who here has said anything about “male dominance? You are making shit up.
See, men have never been interested in dominating women per se except to the extent that that might help them get laid.
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Rum
I don’t want to be beligerant, and rude. I don’t want to spell poorly. But this is 1 1/2 mickeys of vodka, so it’s out of my hands.
Sex is dominance. If you would like to think about it, and come back with conversation, that might be fun, but I’m not going to spell it out all at once.
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When I was 11, my mother had had two years too many, and calmy informed me that my sense of humor was exceedingly dry.
I didn’t know what she meant. She never laughed. I laugh. Quietly.
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In my experience, “I have a boyfriend” should be read as “tonight never happened, okay?”. Maybe I meet the wrong kind of women?
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“And I think TJF is a girl. An aspergers syndrome female. Trapped in a man’s body.”
… a fat man’s body?
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G G
A brain in a vat. No body at all.
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G.G.
Yes, we all know pussy only requires extra stimulation to open, regardless of relationship status. Or religion. Or a date with her mother to go to church and meet the minister. Or Pope.
Yes, some cats play with mice.
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Acknowledge and plow: This makes me think first of what Positive K’s response would be … In that same vein, before I ever discovered formalized game, I learned the “What’s that have to do with anything?” + plow… concept from my friend. I was always amazed at how well that worked in front of even large crowds. One common thing alot of criticisms of game have is the fact that how you say it is more important than what you say. Nice breakdown Roissy. Let the haters hate. This should actually be a common problem because most dating/marriages are results of mate poaching anyhow. On a side note, I saw some research paper that was stating that it might be possible that females’ ovulation may be effected by exposure to certain males.
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Obsidian–
Women of every race are whores, and in quantity.
I read My Secret Life decades ago.
The reason there were so many whores in London was British Victorian Sexuality. When people talk about “puritan” attitudes they’re really referencing Victorian ones, at least if they’re being accurate and not lying. (Jews in their push to knock the highest slices of WASPs, which included a lot of New England descened ex Puritans and similar, off the top of the economic and social heap beginning in the 30s and continuing full bore through about the 80s, often derrided Puritans as anti-sex. The fact is Puritans were very against extra marital sex, but very lusty and even demanding about marital sex. It was a duty to have a lot of it, if nothing else was jump starting the enterprise.)
The idea in the Victorian period was that men, or many of the best of them, were like bulls in a china shop. They were rather crude and certainly lustful but that was an important strength in expanding and maintaining the Empire. Women of high birth and refinement on the other hand should be delicate and well, refined china, not too much given to being ravaged by these bulls, but rather needing to be sweetly treated, and yeah put on a pedestal by their husband among others – at least if they were going to remain ladies rather than fallen women. This was all thought to be lead by Queen Victoria who for one thing was a female monarch, and for another was deeply opposed to affairs and the like. (Prostitution was regarded as a necessary evil given that bullishness of so many of the better men crucial for Empire.)
It wasn’t entirely condemned that a woman would have lustful sex with her husband, but it wasn’t encouraged either, and was regarded as not normal and a bit suspect as to the purity of her ladylike character. None of this applied to the lower classes, from whence the whores came, with rare but celebrated exceptions – often actresses. The real Aristos often didn’t pay much attention to it either.
Note this WAS NOT true of all or most English periods, which were often far more openly lusty on the part of leading elements. For example, the Restoration period was, a lot. And the Georgian one a lot too.
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Let me try that again.
GG.
Yes, we all know pussy only requires a few extra volts of stimulation to change the gate of the transistor between open and closed, regardless of the third gate of regardless of relationship status. And only a few volts will overcome religion. No matter that her mother is on the phone – that will only make the loud spank on her ass more poignant.
But the sad fact is, some girls play with men they don’t want like they play with mice they won’t eat. Toys to test their claws on.
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Rather ‘one thing criticisms don’t always take into account is how you say it vs what you say.’
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Doug,
In no way do I dither with what you’ve presented; but with all due respect dear fellow, it is completely beside *Virgin@40’s* point.
Which was, that Black Women, and to a lesser extent or degree, other Women of Color, are inherently disposed towards whorish behavior, and that this is not the case among the European-descended (read, White) Women, because the West is so much more refined than everywhere else in the World, and definitely lowly Dark Africa.
I am directly challenging his statements, using documented evidence obtaining in the very areas of the World, and citing the very Women he wishes to exalt as a class. I say his statements are poppycock.
What say you?
The Obsidian
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hey Roissy,
can you give your readers some advice on how to cover up the herpes drip when youre trying to get laid?
youre so cute though i almost want to lick it off… does that work for you?
thanks,
=P
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Go to Dubai to see the whore wars and who wins lol
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Can we get some white male volunteers to go to some all black clubs and record there experience. Come on guys.
Just read virgin 40 did you mean whores for money or free whores I think the clarification would help.
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thanks a lot roissy this post was epecially useful for me
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I still hypothesize that it is easier to pull woman when you are the minority in a club situation and that it doesn’t take game to do so. Since there will be a certain percentage of the woman there who are curious and that in a 300 person club at one percent would get you at least 2 chicks who are drawn to you because you are different.
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Will this degrade into a race discussion again? I appreciate acknoledging hard facts, no matter how difficult they are to spell, or how much more handsome they are than I, but even facts can be represented in a BORING way.
Obsidian and your opposites, learn from the Jews, and pay attention to the third act. The third act of any play makes or breaks the box office. You’ve got a good opening, a fair middle, and now you’re just boring.
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I think preempt is the worst option of the ones you mentioned. It reminds me of guys on the who open with “you got a man?” or “Where your man at?”
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*guys on the street
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Implying that the Jews are the main master script writers of our time.
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Obsidian–
There are three reasons to be a whore. The primary one is that it’s relatively easy money at least if the whore keeps most of it. The second is she sometimes or often doesn’t and is first lured into it and then coerced to remain in it. This is much more true down market and in other countries these days, but is true of alot of Asian whores particularly in this country today. It’s a big Triad enterprise. And there remain old school pimps, usually black. The third is that the girl is a big time slut, and can make money by continuing her sluttish desires and make money at it. Only some of her clients do it for her, but some do. This is actually often a part of the motivation of higher end and more independent whores, often working as internet call girls on sites they own, or collectives.
Black girls are naturally the sluttiest, E Asians the least, at least so far as innate drives go.
But market demand, which drives the first two factors the most, the girl making money or her pimp/exploiters making money, selects white girls and then Asians the most.
So while it’s hardly harder to make black girls whores, they’re less in demand.
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Xsplat,
It is important to note here, that I have not been the one to introduce race into the discussion, others havem both here and elsewhere in this forum. What *is* different, is that a goodly number of my White brothers can no longer just fling out outrageous statements without credible challenge. That is what I bring to this table; a real, live Negro, who knows a bit about how the real world works.
What is boring, in spades ahem, is the constant navel gazing racially on the part of some, in a vain attempt to bolster their own sense of self esteem.
Now-you were saying?
The Obsidian
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I think it is great for white people to see how “a real, live Negro, ” thinks as well. A lot just get the media story told to them and maybe can ignore their own eyes. Now they they get to see the inner feeling of one up close. I think it is healthy. Probably gonna be good for all of us in the long run.
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Roissy, you have been dropping immense knowledge the last couple of posts. Keep up this good streak.
wrt Obsidian’s observations on black “peacocking” game, he’s exactly right, and I wonder why the dynamics of female-male interaction are so different in dance clubs and house parties than typical yuppie bars and nightclubs. when dancing the black female puts in a greater amount of work moving than the male ever does, and he has to act positively aloof from the whole thing. in addition i suspect there is greater inequality in the spoils as well
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“Roosh
I think preempt is the worst option of the ones you mentioned”
Ya, there is a weakness in it. Or is it in us?
On a few failed flirts, I’ve tried “Do you have a boyfriend?”
“Yes”‘
“Yes, I have a girlfriend too” and forward.
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The problem with that is that it doesn’t respect the double standard, from the women’s point of view. Women emotionally need a stable man, so the man telling truth will poison her brain with truth. She prefers lies, and will prefer a man who knows how to accept her lies.
The double standard, from a womans point of view, is that she can be exactly as a man, only she get’s to have a totally different attitude about it.
And you are not sexy unless you understand and can at least play with that.
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Doug,
I find it particularly interesting that a group of people, who usually tend to pride themselves on how far removed they are from mine, can render such set in stone statements and pronouncements. It reminds me of a recent conversation, if one could call it that, that I had w/Tokyo in this venue; he made outlandish statements about both Jews and Blacks. When I questioned him as to how many of either group he’d actually known, he did his usual Matrix dance.
I find it particularly odd that I, a Black Man, who has moved in and out of more social circles than most here, seems to have missed this great deluge of whorin’ Sistas. Now, again, lemme be clear-there some hoes in this house. But are they the norm?
My lifelong experience, says no.
The real question though, is this: why is it so important, for so many White guys here, to make the case so hard, that Black Women in particular, are hoes? Most White guys here have expressed their disinterest in such Women in any event, yes? So, what difference does it make?
You see, one thing I’ve long observed about White folks-particularly those of a certain class and type-is that they have a very hard time making things plain. They tend not to be confrontational. They seem to excel in the oblique, the inferred, the sublimated, the…scapegoated.
White brothers, whether Black Wome are or are not whores by design, is the least of your problems. When Roissy logs his experiences w/the sluts of (White) DC, or when Whiskey speaks of the numbers of (White) Women living in big cities’ sex partners, they not talking about Rashida or Tanya, they talking about Christen and Amy.
So…why don’t y’all tackle that?
Hmm?
Comments?
O
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“Obsidian
Xsplat,
It is important to note here, that I have not been the one to introduce race into the discussion, others havem both here and elsewhere in this forum. What *is* different, is that a goodly number of my White brothers can no longer just fling out outrageous statements without credible challenge. That is what I bring to this table; a real, live Negro, who knows a bit about how the real world works.
What is boring, in spades ahem, is the constant navel gazing racially on the part of some, in a vain attempt to bolster their own sense of self esteem. ”
This is where you continually loop. I didn’t introduce race I just am a black man who is here to make sure whitey gets to hear a black perspective.
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Obsidian
Before I quote you, I’d like to give you a kind
SLAP
You are obsessed with group opinion. You are not a man. Become a man.
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they not talking about Rashida or Tanya
Obsidian, serious question if you know this, why do so many black women of a particular generation (?) have Russian-origin names (Tanya, Sonya, Natasha and variations like Tasha, etc) ?
On the other hand, there are no Russian boys’ names I associate with black people (Mikhail/Misha, Igor, Ivan, Boris, Yuri, Alexyi, Nikolai, etc)
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Gunslinger, I need explain something about how my mind works. A deficit now one, not even my parents or closest lovers ever believes I have.
I have no memory.
This actually is my strength, as I must always see the meta picture. I have no capability to remember details.
I can’t remember who is the lead character in a book, at the end of the page.
I don’t know who said what on this blog.
I know it’s hard to believe.
I see big pictures, not details.
I don’t do birthdays.
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Xsplat,
Let’s be civil, shall we? There’s no need to personally attack anyone here. We’re among friends.
Let’s get right to the nub of my point-why is it so important for some White guys in this venue, one that takes up the dating world, to make such a strident case for the inherent fallen state of Black Women, when by their own admission/profession, they couldn’t care less about them? How does this serve their obstensible mission to bed purportedly inherently better disposed White Women?
You were saying?
O
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i thought how fascinating it would be to watch you all, who are obsessed wiht male dominance, react to what is perfectly natural and has nothing to do with us.
I got my “obsession” with male dominance directly from women. Like many American men, I was raised with the stupid beta / feminist idea that women want respect and equality. I quickly discovered that this was not the case. Numerous women literally begged me to dominate them, in those exact words – “I need to be dominated!” (These were, by the way, highly educated and intelligent women.) Didn’t take too many of those experiences before I realized that I should not wait to be told to dominate them, I should just go ahead and do it from the outset. All parties were happier as a result of my changed attitude!
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There’s a difference between dominating and respecting. Evidently you are still figuring that out.
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obsidian “There’s no need to personally attack anyone here. ”
I mentioned that over involvement with what others think of you is not mature. Personal attack? Maybe. Maybe a rib among friends? Up to you.
I don’t care what people say about black chicks being whores. Has nothing to do with my life.
And I’m not sure why it has much to do with yours.
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PA,
Hey, what up man? To answer your question, don’t know if you’ve heard, but in recent years there’s been a bit said and written about “Black names”. I’m sure if you Google around you’ll find it.
Rashida(h) isn’t a Russian name, its an Islamic one, the feminized form of Rashid. There are others, such as Malika(h) and so on.
As for Tanya, I’ve seen it spelled Tonya as well. As to why its so popular in the hood, I honestly don’t know.
As for Black boys w/Russian sounding names, I’ve personally known Andres, Dimitris, Ivans and Gregorys. No Boris’ though. 😉
Perhaps the same thing that drives Black culture to have a more “peacock” nature is to be found in the naming as well.
Hmm.
O
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Tarl
I’m only quoting you to repeat the poetry of your voice.
Yup. Except that I wasn’t so quick.
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Good call on Andre and Dimitri!
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Xsplat,
Last nite I was watching the Tavis Smiley show, and he was talking about how it was important that different voices be given a seat at the table-whether we like it or not, we are thee most racially and ethnically diverse nation on this planet. And he went on to say that its time that those different voices begin to talk *to* each other.
Now, I can respect the right of those who don’t share such a view. But I personally think it puts one at a serious disadvantage, because, as the saying goes, the world is flat.
I’m here to both teach, and learn. And I care about how my Sistas are viewed because well, I love Black Women on a whole. Last time I heard, that wasn’t a crime.
Now, let me ask you a question. Why are you here? Have you read anything you can personally relate to? What’s your story?
And yea, ribbing is cool.
Let’s keep talking.
O
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Tarl–
Me too. My first real girlfriend. I did an ode to her in the “Inside The Horror Of Bridesmaid Dress Shopping” thread a couple of days ago. If interested do a find on “15 times”. She said she sensed a dominant male beneath my sorta nice guy first approach exterior. It helped that I was 6’3 and strong. She taught me huge, by being really hungry for what really works. I learned fast. It was delish as in life changing and awesome.
I honestly don’t think it’s possible for a woman to have really great sex with a man without it. Only ok or pretty good sex, largely oral. I’ve never had really great sex without it.
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I can’t remember the name of the lead character in a book, at the end of the page.
I’ll know who he is, but not his name. Or if his name is as obvious as Lazarus or Dilgo, it might stick, but the sub characters will be learned by characterization and context.
I’m face blind for names and dates.
I can read cartoons six months later, and they will be brand new to me. Like I was born with Alzheimers. Without being stupid.
I have hundreds of stories. Since my early twenties. The interesting thing is, as soon as a face is romantice to me, I will remember it. Otherwise I will tell you to come back to purchase the sweater you put on hold from me in 10 minutes, and no matter my effort, I’ll forget. No matter that you sat beside me all day as i flirted with you, if I didn’t get that bond, I won’t know you the next day.
I know you think it’s unreal, because i’m literate.
As I said, my weakness is actually the demand for the compensation, that is rather strong.
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Obsidian has a good point there.
Anonymous — Human beings are not obscure fish, nor bacteria, nor in fact chimps either.
Humans are a very specialized primate, who’s survival depends on a mixture of cooperation, competition, and above all greater and greater tool-making (in both cooperative, get the tools made, and competitive, substitute inferior tools with superior tools) modes.
This has generally required for success moderating and controlling human sexuality into monogamous reproduction, with the nuclear family, to achieve success. Societies that master that become dominant, those that don’t get colonized, or flattened by the tidal wave of cultural, material, social, economic, and technological progress of those who DO adopt cooperative monogamy and extensive tool improvement.
Note: tool making is not the province of charismatic males, who generally SUCK big time at the extended, obsessive focus on getting tools “just right” so they are effective. Things like steam engines, automobiles, helicopters, anti-biotics, and the like. Successful societies FORCE women to turn away from charismatic males and choose “beta providers” who drive the tool making and tool improving.
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I think the most important principle in the “I’ve got a boyfriend” is not to show offense, or be downcast, or be anything other than positioned as Mr. Big Time. Think of it as an extended sales call and valuable practice. The girl was obviously flattered by the attention, even if there was no real intent.
Well, you got valuable practice. The goal is to make sure you remain seen as a desirable guy by women who will not make time with you but could be part of a social network of intended women who are open to approach, and could say negative or positive things about you.
Now, the inevitable outcome of this function (women playing coquette for flattery and desire when they have no intention of doing anything other flirt for flattery and ego boosting, is male learned behavior.
What men learn, if this happens enough, is that women by and large through repetition become relatively un-important sales targets. A “customer” who is as replaceable to the man as the women view the replaceable flatterer. This situation, and it’s common enough, inevitably produces men who don’t view women as objects of romantic love but replaceable “units.”
If the woman set about to destroy romantic love, or even the possibility of it, in the man she leads on, she could not do a better job. Just as a man’s mistreatment of a woman undoubtedly creates “punishment” of the woman’s next boyfriend, this too creates the same situation for the man’s next girlfriend. Shrug.
That’s the modern era.
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Autistics have impecable memories, but can’t relate competing ideas. I have no memory, and am imaginative in a way that people find smart.
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“Obsidian
Xsplat,
Let’s be civil, shall we? There’s no need to personally attack anyone here. We’re among friends.
Let’s get right to the nub of my point-why is it so important for some White guys in this venue, one that takes up the dating world, to make such a strident case for the inherent fallen state of Black Women, when by their own admission/profession, they couldn’t care less about them? How does this serve their obstensible mission to bed purportedly inherently better disposed White Women?
You were saying?
O”
Because if white men cannot fuck or do not want to fuck black woman they cannot even the score that way. I married an asian woman. My friend from the states who is an asian man had kids with two white chicks and married one of them (he is still with her). Basically we are even. That would be called a fair trade. There is nothing the black man can trade with the white man to make it even. It is called a trade deficit.
What are black people bringing to the table to make the trade deficit balanced?
Are there any other areas or a shitload of areas where there is a trade deficit?
How long can you have a situation where one side just takes and the other side just gives?
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On the other hand, there are no Russian boys’ names I associate with black people (Mikhail/Misha, Igor, Ivan, Boris, Yuri, Alexyi, Nikolai, etc)
David Alexander’s real first name is one of the Russian names on the list which tends to throw off white AND black people who are rather surprised when they find out that I’m black.
E-mail me if you want the answer. 🙂
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The third is that the girl is a big time slut, and can make money by continuing her sluttish desires and make money at it. Only some of her clients do it for her, but some do. This is actually often a part of the motivation of higher end and more independent whores, often working as internet call girls on sites they own, or collectives.
I somewhat suspect that Ms. Dupre fell under that category.
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Because if white men cannot fuck or do not want to fuck black woman they cannot even the score that way. I married an asian woman. My friend from the states who is an asian man had kids with two white chicks and married one of them (he is still with her). Basically we are even. That would be called a fair trade. There is nothing the black man can trade with the white man to make it even. It is called a trade deficit.
Do your research, buddy. Anecdotes don’t cut it here. The “trade deficits” are about the same.
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lurker: Thank you. You might find it surprising, but it’s a truth hard to accept. I’m going to assume you mean men I don’t know and not so much university acquaintances and guys on here (i.e. the percentage will be lower). This is why women huddle around other women, there’s little safety in an interaction with a guy.
I had a friend who used ‘it just happened’ line for kissing a guy. There was public flirting for a while going on with him, in full view of some of her boyfriend’s friends (spies?). After some fumbling with dude, went back to boyfriend with that line. It was all intentional and her off psychology genuinely seemed to view it retrospectively as ‘just happened’. Later on, cheated on a new boyfriend with the boyfriend she originally cheated. I think it also ‘just happened’, despite enough texts etc. to make boyfriend at the time go get drunk and cheat on her — so sure was he that she would cheat.
I couldn’t muster up much sympathy for the guys, though. She practically threw herself at them. They selected for the most sexual (well, God forbid they put any effort into girlfriend material), of the girls they could find, regardless of any other qualities she had and subsequently “fell in love” (with the sex, as well perhaps as the drama– who knows?). I suppose that’s why you guys seperate sexual fun and relationships. Men can be stupid but teenage boys; oh my God.
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The “trade deficits” are about the same.
Correct. In the global mating game, Asian men and negro women are the biggest losers.
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anonynonynonymous or whatever: how about I attach myself to your hind area as a nice little experiment. Your boyfriend can stay at home. 😉
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Sparks
Hadn’t thought about that but, yeah, good call.
Actually some of these girls are quite choosy about their clients, and can afford to be. They often pre screen. They mostly only do repeats and don’t repeat with those they don’t like enough or even find hot or hottish. Rich and powerful men, etc. Sometimes less so but in other ways alpha who they give discounts to, maybe. Usually married.
A number of this variety have blogs of the non recruiting but rather diary type. I spent a couple of months spending some of my net time reading a bunch of these. Pretty interesting re: women’s sexuality with the cliche’s and pretty lies stripped off, and sometimes pretty arousing. Then there are the slut / adventuress type diaries.
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bhettt, you do get one thing wrong:
“and not so much university acquaintances”
—wrong. The same 3 rules apply, the guy friends are just in “the friend zone” or have something better to go home to or are just beta.
But they pretty much want to screw you, too.
See: When Harry Met Sally.
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Thanks, Sparks.
O
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Gunslinger
you’ve got a good point about that. Except that you don’t.
Music? Probably any music you like, had roots at minimum from blacks.
Never mind spectator sports, because that’s for kids and people i don’t want to meet.
Peanuts? Dancing? I don’t want to get silly here. The second world war isn’t silly. I suspect you are not in touch with middle class lack america. They are a culture, and a fine, fun good one.
The bell curve is an overlapping curve – not an indigtment (sp) i get your point, about lack of executive control. About high levels of testosterone. It must have worked, evlolutionarily, in their original envirronment.
I wouldn’t want to come up against a comfident black man in a bar who is 10 IQ points less than I. Or even 20. I’ve got IQ points to spare, but how tall is he? Dancing skills?
Anyway, it’s fun to know who has what place. Ok then. And then… people rise to their position.
yes, you are correct. people don’t rise, becase they can’t.
And then… notice some do. And then they are genetically in our league.
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Gunslinger
you’ve got a good point about that. Except that you don’t.
Music? Probably any music you like, had roots at minimum from blacks.
Never mind spectator sports, because that’s for kids and people i don’t want to meet.
Peanuts? Dancing? I don’t want to get silly here. The second world war isn’t silly. I suspect you are not in touch with middle class lack america. They are a culture, and a fine, fun good one.
The bell curve is an overlapping curve – not an indigtment (sp) i get your point, about lack of executive control. About high levels of testosterone. It must have worked, evlolutionarily, in their original envirronment.
I wouldn’t want to come up against a comfident black man in a bar who is 10 IQ points less than I. Or even 20. I’ve got IQ points to spare, but how tall is he? Dancing skills?
Anyway, it’s fun to know who has what place. Ok then. And then… people rise to their position.
yes, you are correct. people don’t rise, becase they can’t.
And then… notice some do. And then they are genetically in our league. And of course in many ways better.
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Sparks where are the numbers?
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Obsidian,
But I personally think it puts one at a serious disadvantage, because, as the saying goes, the world is flat.
This assumes that, in general, negroes have a comparative advantage that compels mutual trade. They really don’t outside of professional athletics. And even in that arena, whites will pay just as much to watch other whites with less fast-twitch muscle fiber than negroes play a game.
Also, I hate to break this to you but in the global mating game, negro women are the biggest losers out there. I mean, sure, they can find plenty of negro men to fuck them and then abandon them and their spawn to the white-financed welfare state, but they have terribly low rates of out-marriage, and even in-marriage.
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Right on Black Woodd
Bhetti–
Just happened with girls is nearly always at least half conscious and usually fully conscious. It’s avoiding responsibility, in her own mind and to a degree at least with girlfriends but especially some (beta) men, who pedestal women. However there’s a grain of truth in it, in that for most women it’s letting their urges and emotions take over, and letting themselves be somewhat or very submissively lead, for a moment or a time, while sorta turning off their forebrains, in part.
Some very feminine and high libido girls can actually rather lose control outside the bedroom when naturally or consciously gamed by an alpha guy — they can be just “swept off their feet” and go into almost a trance. Had it happen.
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xsplat,
I wouldn’t want to come up against a comfident black man in a bar who is 10 IQ points less than I. Or even 20. I’ve got IQ points to spare, but how tall is he? Dancing skills?
Marriage is what builds sustainable societies, and people marry w/i 5 IQ points of each other. So unless negroes engage in some radical eugenics policy over the next couple of decades, black-white pairings will remain an outlier phenomenon into perpetuity.
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Drop a hit before you aproach my love, mr. straight black.
A hit of LSD.
And if that doesn’t fix you, find a shroom.
And if you are not better, find some tits.
You will be healed by Led Zeppelin.
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Wounded,
Actually, your pity should be reserved more for Asian Males, especially those in White countries, like the UK and USA. They have a much tougher time finding a good roll in the hay than do Sistas. At least that’s what I’ve read and heard.
As for pro sports, trust me, there won’t be a great White Hope coming along anytime soon. Usain Bolt, Lebron James, and Ryan Howard are here to stay-and lots of White, Male, season ticket holders are perfectly fine with that.
Finally, you do know that more Whites are on welfare than Blacks overall, yes? And, that the Black Underclass is actually a small segment of Black America as a whole; most are what would be considered at least nominally middle class.
But again, I note w/particular interest, that no one has actually answered my question. What does any of this have to do with your inability to get in Amy’s pants?
Hmm?
O
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Wounded – 5 points?!!!
Hopeless me then, to find a hot chick.
Fuck your opinion. I’ll find sexy girls who are not geeks.
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Obsidian,
The black middle class is due largely to government mandates.
Also, I’m not arguing for a Great White Hope–but that’s a subtlety you are not refined enough to grasp. Rather, when blacks weren’t admitted to the pro ranks, either thru discrimination or because they were previously unable to pass uniform thresholds for admission to college, whites still enthusiastically paid to see pro sporting events.
And yes, there are more whites on welfare. Because there are more whites, period.
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xsplat,
The British white underclass shares your view. Good luck.
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Wounded – you idea is sound, but it’s usually mentioned as more points.
That’s all.
I, uh, contest that, because i don’t think that Mariage has a Capital M.
I don’t think people are better served to be at similar IQs, necessarily. Sure, sure, yes. But sex. If she is dumb but freaky, take hold of her ears and ride the ride.
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As I mentioned, I’m on my second 350mg little bottle of vodka, and am tending to get weird about trust. Is Wounded the same person as … no I just glanced at your posts. I’d love to love as a good communist could, but, you are difficult to take, and I glanced over the better part of you.
Anyway, what was the context? Seriously – i’m fucked. You can win this argument. But, uh, I might be a spider.
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Obsidian —
For months now most of your posts are about race, and on every thread many are. That’s true of almost no other poster here. I’ve got heavily into it on a few thread, two or three, but those only. You’re lately all about black sexual supremacy and are always trying to needle and insult white guys re that, never with facts or cites, only with your “impressions” and “observations” or referring back to what some white guy offered. You’ve even claimed that low white birth rates in some countries are due to white male sexual deficiencies, repeatedly, even after others have pointed out to you that the causes are obviously different things (female education, independence and wealth effects) and is more true of some non white countries like Japan. You’ve accepted that at the time and yet again today throw out the same baiting canard.
It’s long since gotten old.
I’m surprised people are as civil as they are to you myself.
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the Black Underclass is actually a small segment of Black America as a whole; most are what would be considered at least nominally middle class.
Alrighty then, in that case we can declare victory in the struggle against racism, and end affirmative action and all that diversity promotion stuff, right? =)
The probability of any Roissy thread devolving into a discussion about race appears to be 100%…
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Tarl —
It has been when Obsidian’s around, at least for the last month or two. Less before.
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Doug – your asessment seems fair. Obsidian has capabilities, but might be a bit overly focused. As in obsessive compulsive.
We all get that way.
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Wounded,
Does this mean that you won’t answer my question? I’m just sayin.
Ok, so let’s agree, for the sake of argument, that what you said above about the Black middle class being due to affirmative action. So what? The point is made: the majority of Black people aint on welfare. Ok?
And, please read up on your American team sports history, sir. The Major Leagues, the NFL and the NBA have been both immensely enriched and irrevocably changed, as a result of admitting the best of the best, White and Black, not in spite of it. I maintain what I said. When you can show me the White equivalent of Dwayne Wade, I’ll happily shutup.
You were saying…?
O
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No one axin me, but, if i were breeding humans, I’d keep a line of blacks in my stable.
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“And, that the Black Underclass is actually a small segment of Black America as a whole; most are what would be considered at least nominally middle class. ”
Obsid AA is a big deal in sports and in business and in government. you should go talk to some bosnians some time. Maybe it will help you to understand the situation. Just talked with a guy yesterday got really really good with a rubix cube solved it in under a minute and half. He got really good taking his mind off the cleansing that was going on around him. Passing the time till it was his turn. I drove the roads and saw the houses with not 3 but 100’s of holes in them. Not one but all of them (that weren’t new) on the way to turkey. Got to solve the puzzle.
I have tried to help you but I have failed because you have not helped me. I feel like I gave it a shot though and am done.
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Hi Tarl,
I take it that you’re new around here. Please take a bit of time to read the archives going back last year. There you will find all manner of talk about racial (read, Black) things, the only difference was that it was only a bunch of White guys doing it, they all agreed with each other, and no one was around to present another side.
So yea, I am a bit compulsive and obsessive, when it comes to getting all sides of an issue on the table. I’m just weird like that.
As for affirmative action, I’m all for getting rid of it-right after we get rid of it for Women and their Studies departments, Legacy admits, and all Sports scholarships.
Any takers?
O
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lurker: thanks for clearing that up! I say things like this declaratively to my girlfriends (or guys) even; all I will get is wierd looks often. Definite yes on Harry Met Sally… the closer they are, the more suspicious to be.
dougjnn: I can understand that can happen and have experienced a touch of it myself. However, this case had plenty of warning and plans in advance so unless trance lasts while she’s alone/doing the gardening/with the other boyfriend, then…
All: encountered one of the typical media portrayals of mating game. ‘Signs’ post on my blog; didn’t want to put on here due to not wanting to clog up comments with offtopicness! Wondering if there’s anything realistic about it?
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Obsidian–
Yes West African blacks have on average the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fiber among any large racial group in the world. That means compared to blacks, whites CAN’T jump. Blacks representing various countries are the world’s fastest sprinters and have been for decades since they entered such competitions in numbers for the same reasons. It’s genetic. It’s also an overlapping bell cure, so there are some white men who CAN jump, but not the highest, and on average less.
See Obsidian, scientific facts. In “your favor”. Do you offer that ever in my group’s favor?”
Now what’s that got to do with this thread?
When you offer things like your “peacocking” observation about racial differences in pickup, yeah that is enriching and on topic. Not new to me but I imagine it was to others, and there were flavors of how you described it that were illuminating to me as well.
Now do white guys bait you back about middle class only because of government mandates and so on, yeah. Understandably. Seems to me you usually start it.
Anyway I’d like to see a lot less racial baiting, or none, in either direction. Helpful or illuminating observations about racial differences in game, great.
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Obsidian,
1. AA is necessarily a government-mandated transfer of resources away from consumer preferences, so it’s still welfare.
2. Again, my point is not that blacks aren’t superior athletes; they are. In fact, it’s the only comparative advantage they have in trade with other groups. But it’s actually a bit of AA in its own right because as I said, whites were as enthusiastic and spendthrift about pro sports BEFORE the admission of blacks.
So to summarize, blacks owe everything they have in the West to the efforts of whites. Because when blacks live in areas where their own kin are the market-majority–Detroit, New Orleans, Africa, Haiti, etc.–they have a much, much lower standard of living.
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Let me say something else, please…
Toni Morrison once said, when asked during a CSPAN “In Depth” interview, that we should write what we know. I took her comments to mean that we should speak to that which we know, and we all more or less, do this.
Why is it that, when I’m on the scene, “race” always seems to crop up? Well, aside from my previous comments on the issue, perhaps its because that the very act of my being who I am, and knowing Life as I know and lived it, will bring what is usually oblique or even invisible to my White brothers, into glaring relief. And I understand that that can be…unsettling. Maybe even threatening.
I said earlier that I’m here both to teach and learn. Pretty bold statement on its face, but I assure you, I learn at least twice as much as I teach. And what I’ve learned, in my time here, is that there seems to be a very hard time w/some White guys, to change. They seem to lack the ability to adapt, to be flexible. Indeed, durng the many discussions that obtain here on the various aspects of Game, some of my White brothers violently rail against things; “why do Women like thus and so!!!”, and so on.
From where I sit, adaptability seems to be something that is a strongsuit for African Americans. Makes sense, once you take into account our propensity for improvisation, freestyling, and so forth; and it occurs to me, since we are discussing Game, that this is such an important part of the process.
In short: fellas, learn to embrace new ideas. The World changes.
We must change with it.
Go, with the flow…
O
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Wounded,
I need clarification here. I think it should go w/o saying that of course, Black Americans are greatly indebted to America for their position in the world, and we can say by extension, many nations in Africa that were directly influenced by the Old World powers. It seems as if you’re saying that somehow, we’re ungrateful or something.
As for your comments about welfare, perhaps you missed AIG and the corporate welfare hearings lately? Last time I heard, wasn’t a dark face in the place.
And, you’re wrong again, sir. America wouldn’t have a pop music culture without Black folks.
So, you were saying?
The Obsidian
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Obsidian–
Done. Deal.
Legacy admits are part of how private colleges raise money. They help keep tuition from being higher than it is. Lots of alumni contribute in part in the hopes that their kid will get in but if its a good school, only a faction will. There’s no conceivable argument that they violate the constitution, unlike Affirmative Action, which only supposedly doesn’t because of a legislating Supreme Court or the legacy of them. Further especially at schools that can significantly impact one’s career opportunities, the extent of a boost which legacy status gives applicants is greatly exaggerated by the left. It’s small. It’s along the lines of “if the kid is upper half Ivy League material and odds are gonna get into one of them, and the dad went to princeton, then princeton will let him in and the other ivys won’t as much.” But if he isn’t ivy league material, and his father hasn’t funded a large building, then he won’t.
Sports scholarships have nothing to do with discriminating for or against based on a suspect classification, like race, religion or national origin. That’s a constitutional concept. They also help blacks more than whites.
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Hi Doug,
I kinda thought you’d bite. Lets dive right in.
Yea, I know the deal about legacies. But my point is I want to test how far are really willing to go to ensure that its all about academic excellence, *period*? If people are gonna give money, they should do so with the express understanding that they want to have a hand in getting and shaping the best, not merely by making a backdoor for they’re own to get in. Bluebloods and whoever else should be cool with The Mission: to get the best and brightest, based on strict test scores, regardless of what they look like. And if that means that our country’s Cognitive Elite end up being jews and Asians, so be it.
Right?
Sports admits: its a cash cow for dozens of schools and we all know it. Kill it. Tell the NFL and the NBA that they should do what the Major Leagues did, create a real farm system. Let the schools get back to the business of getting and shaping the best and the brightest, and out of the pro sports business. Period.
See Doug, I don’t wanna touch Affirmative Action until we clean the whole mess up. That way, Black folk like me will know and be thoroughly convinced, that White folk really mean it when they talk about “being qualified”.
And that goes for White women gettin over too, but we already agree on that, lol.
Holla
O
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Obsidian
You’re repeating the same arguments.
And with you the last few months its all about your belief in black sexual supremacy and baiting white guys about it. Who after a while bait you back.
Obsidian the all about race thread destroyer.
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Doug,
You had asked if I ever presented any evidence that favored Whites. Please see my initial replies to Roissy in this thread. There you will see clear proof that I indeed did, and do. Whites, particullarly those from England, have proven themselves to be masters at being able to troubleshoot and isolate problems in the systems they create, to be able to organize information and knowledge, and to move on said info in ways other groups in the world have not. That is a tremendous resource and strength, not just to and for themselves, but for the whole world.
Game wouldn’t be what it is without this, Doug.
Any questions? 😉
O
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Doug,
There have been voices in this venue who are in essence one string guitars, who say the same thing, in every discussion, over and over, and I don’t recall you making much hay about that. Funny that.
As for sexual supremacy, one doesn’t need me to make such a claim; the sexual history of this country, where Black Men were lynched on the mere suspicion of looking at a White Woman, says much more about such fears and concerns on the part of White Males than anything I could.
Again, we have to be clear here: I wasn’t the one to introduce race into this thread, Roissy did. Two, the reason why there’s more “heat” on these topics is because there’s someone Black who can respond to what’s being said along these lines by others who aren’t Black; and three, why not take race into account? Isn’t that what race realism, all about?
Remember Doug: I do not have enmity for you, or anyone else White here. Indeed, I often refer to you as my brothers, and in many ways, you are-by creed, maybe even by blood.
So I am not, not, a Racist; what I am is a “Race Man”, in the sense that I grapple with the realities of racial differences in a country where we are crushed into a national mold.
Its a struggle to get it right. But, don’t worry. Brothers gonna work it out.
😉
The Obsidian
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Obsidian,
Do you make cold approaches outside of a club/bar environment? Or do you always essentially rely on them “coming to you” in some fashion?
I had a realization not too long ago that what I *thought* was decent game on my part was actually just the magnetism you’ve described, though in my case it’s based almost exclusively on how I look and carry myself. Even when I make approaches, they’re almost always prefaced by strong eye contact from the girl beforehand, so that I know she’s noticed me. I can’t remember the last time I simply grabbed someone out of the blue, with no previous interaction or acknowledgement on her part of my existence. I imagine, though, that these sorts of approaches are the real essence of “game,” and are what most average guys have to master to get anything at all.
Anyway, the moral of all this, I suppose, is that what much of what’s struck me as “off” about the advice from the PUA community in general is probably attributable to the fact that the way I get women isn’t actually by using any game at all. From the way you’ve described your own methods, you seem similar.
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This is totally off the topic, but a major American newspaper just printed something based in fact and I am a little surprised.
Turns out guys really do prefer young girls to old women. That is always what my dick was saying but sometimes he gets a bit drunk and will do anything.
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/relationships/articles/2009/03/25/the_myth_of_ashton/
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Obsidian neither started the trend of making every thread degenerate into race, nor is he the worst offender of it. I remember this phenomenon even before he arrived. The only reason it seems worse now is because now there is a black person to regularly respond to it and engage in it, so they drag on longer than before.
Have you seriously read this blog before Obsidian arrived here and seen posters like John Smith, Mark in Ark and others? You make it sound like people here were just innocently minding their business and keeping all the discourse race-free or on a higher level and Obsidian just ruined the open-minded, race-free discourse here. To say that white people here are only harping on race because Obsidian forced their hand is disingenuous at best.
Maybe you notice it more and it bothers you more when Obsidian does it, but what he does pales in comparison to what white commenters were doing here before he even arrived. If you don’t like his views on race, fine, but don’t act like he created this tone and this environment. He just made it a two-way dialogue whereas before it was one-way.
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More attractive men have more short-term mates than long-term mates, whereas more attractive women have more long-term mates than short-term mates.
– http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200804/why-handsome-men-make-bad-husbands-i
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Coming in late to this one – which seems to have been sidetracked by a long, mostly pointless and occasionally mean-spirited exchange about race and related sterotypes. It might be nice for the comments to stay on point. roissy is right – context is key – and azaza was right too – once the BF is dropped, keep the deniability (i.e., whichever of roissy’s variants you use). the only other thing that pops into my mind is – what if she really *does* have a b.f., and is one of those quality girls who is just out with friends or whatever, not for sex or game, and who does not want to cheat. do you “plow” ahead? and make her uncomfortable? or do you treat her with respect and stand down the game? i personally feel there’s more alpha than beta in that course of action, and honor, if that’s the situation you truly recognize. however, it was not one of roissy’s options. the trick, of course, is knowing what’s real and what’s a shit test.
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i think roissy dropped the race bomb to see if he could get an all-time high comment count
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As for sexual supremacy, one doesn’t need me to make such a claim; the sexual history of this country, where Black Men were lynched on the mere suspicion of looking at a White Woman, says much more about such fears and concerns on the part of White Males than anything I could.
Funnily enough, this is exactly what I’m seeing now from black immigrants. Have a good look at a black woman and soon there are black guys coming after you with knives. We haven’t seen any killings (AFAIK but it’s only a matter of time), but lots of beatings and stabbings (of both white men and black women for talking to each other and of African ethnicities flirting with the wrong African ethnicity’s women) and protests when someone has paired a black woman with a white man in the media.
Is that all about the black man’s sexual insecurities?
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Vulgarian
I looked at the link. It is pointless and lame from my perspective. It has a over-dainty approach. For myself, I am not thoroughly young but I am thoroughly rich. Look OK, I have been told. Random BJs in shanky bars -definitely happens. I display crude, drunken forms of game I suppose…Nonetheless, the mass/impact effect of driving out-of-reach cars plus the causal mentioning of serious power-nexus relations has worked well enough to keep the stalkers active.
Stalkers are worse when you get older, btw. Their desperation takes on a truly feral aspect.
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O:
“From where I sit, adaptability seems to be something that is a strongsuit for African Americans. Makes sense, once you take into account our propensity for improvisation, freestyling, and so forth”
I refer you to “Hip: The History” by John Leland:
http://www.amazon.com/Hip-History-P-S-John-Leland/dp/0060528184/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237968547&sr=8-1
It’s been a couple years, but the book is basically a story of race relations in this country. Leland talks about Elvis and “the white boy who stole the blues”, Al Jolsen’s “black face”, Chet Baker, and Velvet Underground.
I think somewhere in the book, Leland posits that blacks derived their “freestyling” and “adaptability” from the slave fields. They sang songs in the fields as a form of communication. When their white masters caught on, they had to adapt. Perhaps that’s where the dozens and other things of such nature arose.
On a semi-related note, I remember something on NPR I heard about the dynamic of black musical groups. I had never heard this before, but compare jazz bands to modern day rap groups. Each performer is really sort of a one-man showcase. In jazz, Miles plays the trumpet, Coltrane the sax, while Thelonious Monk does his thing on the piano.
Compare this to modern-day rappers. Wu-tang clan for instance. All 9 or however many, hit each track with their own flow.
Another example: hip-hop/jazz : music :: basketball : sports
Basketball, gaining its most important ground on the (black) playgrounds of NYC and Chicago, is the sport in which one can showcase the most individual talent. Steve Sailor talked about this the other day.
It is interesting to me that a group that has been considered second-class by many has taken such an individualistic bent. This isn’t a dig, I don’t mean it to sound bad. Black culture in America has aligned itself with the socialist leanings of MLK, Malcolm X and Jesse/Al to a certain degree, much like Asians and Latin Americans, yet blacks still have that individualistic bent as shown in the dynamic I mentioned above.
Any insights to add to this?
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All this talk of race and evolution and women’s freedom making men into nothing but worthless peacocks, etc.
It’s true.
People sort themselves out by looks and intelligence, basically. The real problem is that intelligent people in our society have few kids while dumb, uneducated people have many kids. This is independent of race. The black, Asian, and white middle classes all have low birth rates. Prosperity is just a killer of everything it touches. I just worked briefly with a black guy who was so dumb you could hardly make sense out of what he was saying. He has 14 kids. I couldn’t tell if that was with his wife or his wife and girl friends. He was almost unintelligible. Of course, I wonder if he could count to 14. Guess who’s supporting them? When our taxes go up, yet again, “for the children”, guess who’s paying taxes and who’s having the children. So, our type of society is self destructing fast. Look to California. Too bad. It’s like watching an alcoholic loved one spiral in.
All these problems will be suitably sorted out during the next ice age, which, as you all must know, is overdue. I happily look to the future where freezing, starving hotties decide to go with the betas who can make weapons and traps and bring home the meat and furs. So, I don’t worry. Help is on the way. Hope and change.
Meanwhile, enjoy! This is the Golden Age, in case you haven’t noticed. If you can’t be happy now, you wouldn’t be happy in any other era, either.
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Chuck,
I don’t think its accurate to suggest that MLK, Malcolm and so on are socialist. In fact, I would argue that they are the ultimate examples of what America can produce along the lines you’ve indicated.
My own guess wrt African talent for improvisation is that it was something that evolved and had a high use on the plains and in the bush. Makes sense when one thinks about it. But, while I was reading your very insightful comments, something came to mind that I think is very important to point out:
A White guy invented both the trumpet and the saxophone; yet Miles and Bird made them sing.
Germans and Japanese guys made turntables, but it was guys like Grandmaster Flash and Cash Money who literally turned them into instruments.
In fact, and this is where so many naysayers of Hip Hop really get stuff twisted and don’t understand, is that it resulted as a direct result of the massive changes that occured in the inner cities in the 70s. It was right after the tumultuous race riots, and White Flight set in, taking their tax monies with them. Which meant, cuts in school services, especially in the arts. For example, I can’t recall seeing a music class or band in highschool, and im talking about the late 80s.
So, like we always do, Black folks improvised, adapted and overcame. Taking things like turntables, inventing a little black box called a mixer, and using sections of jazz, funk and even gospel records known as “breaks” deejays began to create their own music, literally recycling older stuff most folk had forgotten about. James Brown is so well known today, quiet as its kept, because so many hip hoppers used his records in their songs. The same is true of the Isley Brothers, Zapp, and P-Funk.
Hip Hop, and Jazz, Gospel and Blues, are in essence, the story of the African American Experience. For more on this point, look up Wynton Marsalis.
Dave Naismith made Basketball, but Bill Russell and Michael Jordan took it to a level he could have never imagined.
The Founding Fathers created America, but King and Douglass, DuBois and Washington (Booker T), and yes even Malcolm, they and other key Black folk made the great ideas enshrined in our civil documents real. They built the house; we made it a home.
By now I hope everyone reading this can see my point-that there IS strength in diversity. We see this proven everyday.
Ok, lemme go and respond to some other stuff here…
Thanks again Chuck. Nice blog, btw. I read along.
O
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Xsplat says, “Nice to know that I fucked better than him, and that even popular and handsome guys can so terribly suck and be so terribly neurotic about sex.”
Pretty on a man is like pretty on a rose. Nice to look at, but I don’t want to rub it on my privates.
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Alex,
Good thoughts. I think the really important thing about Game is that in order to get the most out of it, you have to be introspective, and most men aren’t, whereas almost all women are. Lots of guys make the mistake that what they like, women will like. For example, lots of guys will make the assumption that a woman will be impressed by his job or whatever. In today’s times, simply not true, by and large.
Another thing is that Game in a formal sense is very complex and diverse in terms of approaches and schools of thought. This is why being introspective is so important, because if you don’t know yourself very well, you kind of end up running around trying out all kinds of stuff, spinning your wheels and not getting anywhere.
Some guys are really good at cold calling. Others at working a room. And still others at peacocking. You just have to find what works best for you and stick to it.
I have a very good friend that hasn’t approached a woman on the street in over a decade. He’s banged more women than Roissy and most of the men here, combined. Seriously. He lost count somewhere over 500. He doesn’t go to clubs, buys his clothes at Walmart, and is into Louis Armstrong music, and he’s my age, late 30/early 40. What’s his secret? He’s just someone who makes women feel very comfortable around him, is all. Nice work if you can get it.
There’s many approaches to Game. You just gotta figure out what works best for you. That’s what I did, in my “reverse engineering” effort.
O
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O:
thanks for following my blog. it’s appreciated.
anyway, i say that mlk, malcolm, etc. have socialist leanings due to their preachings on collectivism. in truth, mlk was followed by the fbi, for among other things, his supposed communist sympathies. mlk saw partners in a similar struggle of man against the military-industrial complex of western economies. malcolm x’s message struggled against this as well. if i remember correctly, his teachings took a somewhat more collectivist slant when he became muslim.
anyway, i’ll refrain from using “socialist” since it has become one of those words that’s tossed around all-too-often. regardless, the movements of these men *had to* have teachings of solidarity and collectivism. for this reason, i find it fascinating that many blacks attempt to be the shining star in so many different facets: music, sports, as well as fashion.
there’s more to be said about the adaptability of blacks in music, fashion, culture, even street slang. once whites get ahold of a music genre, clothing style, or phrase, it becomes “unhip” and is thus largely dropped by blacks. blacks attempts to stay one step ahead of whites, to not let whites get hip to what they view as theirs, to not let whites become privy to that code, is a big driver of black adaptability and improvisation. i believe this stems, in large part, from slavery times, but i could be wrong.
we’ve seen this happen with jazz, blues, rap, flat-billed hats, etc.
one side note/question: despite the trend of whites “stealing” black music, why all of a sudden are so many hip-hop artists “stealing” white-euro electro? weird.
thanks again.
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T-Raw,
Thanks so much for the assist and clarification, man. Much and deeply appreciated. I been a bit lax on keeping up with your blog, will catch up later on today.
Thanks again.
O
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Chuck,
I’m sorry, I’m not familiar with what you say about current rap artists. Could you explain a bit more please?
As for the idea that Black folk always try to keep one step ahead of Whites culturally, I’m not so sure; usually, when Black folk see Whites trying to be like them, they tend to be very welcoming of such a thing. Take Eminem for example-he’s as accepted in the hood as he is in the boonies.
Now, wrt our slavery past, yea, I definitely think you gotta point.
Good money man.
O
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As for your comments about welfare, perhaps you missed AIG and the corporate welfare hearings lately? Last time I heard, wasn’t a dark face in the place.
I’m ready to let that parasite die as well. But Obama and every black person out there knows when this Fed-social-democracy, money-printing circus folds up, then it’s back to the tribes quicker than you can say blood is thicker than water.
And good luck getting white people to fund the Great Society at that point.
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Hi Wounded,
Tribes? You mean, like the Hatfields and McCoys? The Earps & the Clantons/McLaurys? Romeo & Juliet’s peeps? The North & the South? Those folks in Europe whose last name was Rose? The deMedici’s & the Papal states? The French & British? The Serbs & Croats & Bosnians?
If we’re gonna talk about tribal warfare, folks who look like you have a documented track record that makes Rwanda look like amatuers. Which, as horrific as it was, was actually.
So, since we agree about AIG, etc et al…you were saying?
😉
The Obsidian
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Obisidian. It is very simple:
First of all, let me say that I don’t think it serve us to open a contest to know who has more whores, if blacks or whites. The question was not that at all.
First see this: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:0hFEWPs610EJ:roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/its-easy-to-identify-a-slut/+Easy+to+identify+slut+black+women&cd=1&hl=pt-PT&ct=clnk&gl=pt
It was Roissy, not me. I went to say that not all black women are whores. Although it is true that black women tend to be more “whorish” than white women.
And see this from PA that I second completely: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/its-easy-to-identify-a-slut/#comment-42716
Yes, white girls who go that are (virtually) all whores.
Why is all this? It’s easy.
Traditionally Europe has had a different culture from that of Africa. And in European Civilisation if a white girl behaved in what has traditionally be normal for a black girl, she would be ostracised and considered a whore.
Than, Europeans started to conquer the world and the blacks had some difficulties to integrate centuries old complex societies like that of Europeans from a moment to the other. It’s only normal that black girls tend to be more “whorish” than whites. It should not be even querstioned at all, it is self evident.
Your logic is not important for this question. For instance, in Arab/muslim but mainly Middle Eastern and North African societies, it is practically impossible to find women whoring arround. Nonetheless, in XIX century Istambul most of the women working in the city were in the prostitution business. Does that make Turkish girls whores? No. Turkish girls are less whores than European girls.
I am not talking about who has more prostitutes but whose “normal good girl” is usually more of a whore.
Did you get me? Any questions? A white girl who goes into interracial relationships goes against many taboos in the white people’s world (yes, if you’re European and not a deranged liberal you will understand) which makes them whores. The same does not happen with white man, though.
Keep it simple Obsidian…
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America wouldn’t have a pop music culture without Black folks.
Yes and no. I’m no music expert but the way I understand it, Rock is a fusion of Scotch-Irish folk music and black rhythm/innovation. Without the black influence, you essentially have Country music. Without the white influence, you probably have something much closer to rap.
Me personally, I like rock/pop. Country on occasion, a few classic-Country songs big-time. Not too much for heavy metal and rap, though I liked Metal when I was younger and I like some of the more melodious guilty-pleasure “made for white consumption” Rap such as “Gangster’s Paradise.” (I never claimed to be a popular music connousseur!)
As far as R&B-flavored Pop music, I liked it best up through when basically black singers “sang to white sensibilities.” Pretty much anything through the 1980s. But come early 1990s, R&B got more “soul” and lost me. Boyz2Men and R Kelly kind of stuff that annoys me more than anything else.
Also, this thing which I think is called “note bending” came about. I friggin hate it. It’s that yodeling effect that Mariah Carey popularized and every American Idol contestant feels obligated to do.
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Obsidian,
“Which was, that Black Women, and to a lesser extent or degree, other Women of Color, are inherently disposed towards whorish behavior, and that this is not the case among the European-descended (read, White) Women, because the West is so much more refined than everywhere else in the World, and definitely lowly Dark Africa.”
No, not at all. You did not understand it. What I meant is that ALL WHITE WOMEN ENGAGED IN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIP ARE WHORES. Do you know some who is not? I’ve seen naive girls into such relaionships but all of them were very promiscuous what makes them whores despite their naivety.
Also, I say that “WHORISH BEHAVIOUR” IS RELATIVE. It changes from a culture to another. And yes, race matters as well. What in Africa would be normal, in Europe would be considered whorish and what in Europe would seem normal in Saudi Arabia would be considered whorish.
I can’t believe and won’t understand how an intelligent fellow like you will use the race card and cry racist over this, while this is just cut clear.
And yes, if you want I can say that the West or Europe or European derived or European descendent… is “much more refined than everywhere else in the world”. With some comparison being possible only in some parts of East Asia. Yes.
However there are “brown” women who are less whorish than Europeans: North African and Middle Eastern women (read, muslim) are usually less “whores” than Europeans.
Asians? Asian teens in European derived societies tend to be more whores than the average white women. In Asia, I am not sure but in the the South East Asia and most Indian social classes and even maybe in some Turkish regions, I’d say that women are more whores than in Europe; China and Japan would be near the same with Europe…
Well, just see it as it is:
(average) Eastern European women are the less whorish.
Due to the expousure to far leftism and multiculturalism women in Western Europe are more whores than those in the East;
Than American women are more whores than European women. And in America, the more a country is of a third world population, the more the average women will be a slut.
It’s this that I was saying.
Don’t you know that porn stars want to be porn stars in America?
In Europe nobody wants to be such.
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Õbsidian, it is the third comment I read you made saying the same:
I did not had the purpose of stating that black women are whores, which I did not. My goal was to highlight that (virtually) ALL WHITE WOMEN ENGAGED IN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS ARE SLUTS/whores. That’s it. I said it because someone said that “girls who consider interreacial relationships tended to behave in a different way than the average women”. Yes, because those (white women) are whores.
Some are naive, but they only engage in such relationships because they are promiscuous. Which means that they are at best half whores.
Take it cool man.
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Is there a Maxim centred around the notion of female attention whoredom? Would seem like a law of nature.
Also, is there a glossary or key for acronyms such as IOI and SWPL?
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Virgin@40,
I’ve spent considerable amounts of time among women from Vietnam, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia. From my experience, the latter two groups seem to be more socially conservative, almost along Islamic lines, ie, no touching a woman who aint yours, and so on.
I’ve also spent a lot of time among Indians from all over that country. Same deal, even if they weren’t Muslim. In fact, India today is quite sexually conservative. The ladies don’t easily put out, and if you think they do, you might be able to make some nice money hooking up hardup H1B guys in Edison and Silicon Valley.
Pakistanis, goes without saying.
The only Asian woman I’ve actually dated was in fact half Filipina and half Black, and she was fine guys were tripping over themselves to get some, present company included. Never had a record of being a ho, though. Believe me, I checked.
Now, again-I’m Black. I have Black sisters. Grown up among Black Women, all my life. I just don’t see this propensity that you and others swear by. Sure, there are “fast girls” as my grandma used to say, but that would be true in many cultures and races, not just Black ones.
And, yes, I actually do know White Women who have married Black Men and are not whores. One such Woman had max, two boyfriends in her life, prior to meeting her hubbie, of nearly fifty years now. She’s from Eastern Europe, very blonde and very Catholic, and he’s from the Carribean, very Black & Brit-inspired. They’re children are by all accounts quite successful, one a career nurse and mother, including a stint in the military, the other a muckey muck for MetLife in NYC. At present, she’s worth at least several mil.
You really need to get out more, V. 😉
O
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PA,
Ever heard of a song called Walk This Way? Some old timer rockers called Aerosmith came out with that in the early 70s. They went on to become quite successful, but like so many rock bands, a decade later, they about dead on the vine.
Enter a odd trio from Hollis, Queens called Run-DMC. They did a remake of Walk This Way, and were responsible for putting Steve Tyler and company back on the map. He’s said as much himself in interviews.
Run-DMC was the first Hip Hop ever seen on MTV, following after Michael Jackson, the first major Black music star, to appear on the channel. His now classic video, Billy Jean, would go on to forever change how music videos were made.
A little over a decade later, another NYC rapper named Jay-Z made a song called The Takeover, a “dis rap” to NaS. Chief in its musical makeup was The Doors’ Five To One. One has to speculate what Jim Morrison would have thought of that, since he always credited some of the The Door’s biggest influences being Black Blues singers. In fact, on their debut album appears one of Morrison’s faves, Muddy Waters’ Backdoor Man.
In both cases, Black rappers brought a whole new audience to the work of White rockers, stuff that was done in many cases, before many rap fans were even born. Walk This Way & The Takeover were huge hits.
Once again, we see that America’s strength lay in its diversity. Dolly Parton wrote a nice song in I’ll Always Love You, but it took Whitney Houston’s real vocal gift to bring it to life. Checkout Eric Clapton and Babyface’s live stuff out sometime.
I’ll hold here. Holla back 😉
O
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“By now I hope everyone reading this can see my point-that there IS strength in diversity. We see this proven everyday. ”
Pfff…
Sorry Obsidian, I couldn’t let it pass. Maybe there is some strenght in diversity because you are black. If you were white, you would see things the other way.
Because while without diversity blacks create Haitis and the like whites have created the entire European Civilisation and countless successfull Nations in many continents.
Diversity is dieversity to whites. Whites gets prejudicated by diversity while blacks get to live in Civilisations they could never had created and better of, with affirmative action!
But of course, DA and the like (a majority of blacks I think) are still not happy with this. There’s no diversity enough as long as white man are not used just to regularly produce white women so that blacks could fuck.
That’s the problem with diversity. Non whites (yeah and Jews and even Asians) are parasites to whites.
Now combine this with Cultural Marxism and its like adding 2+2. White Civilisation “The West”, European Civilisation can not survive this. We will all be dragged down to the Mexican standard unless an Hitler popps out again…
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“Sure, there are “fast girls” as my grandma used to say”
Okay. So we finally are in agreement.
I hate to see the good white girls becoming fast girls as well. But that is because I am that beta who puts women on a pedestal. Despite me being so beta, this fastening is bad in many many ways so maybe my betaness is the least of the problems around here.
Concerning that girl, Eastern European, very Catholic… SAY WHAT!??? Man, that is one in a million, I can assure you.
To finalise, about Asian women, I can only talk about teens or early twenties in “white countries”. They whore around more than the average white girl, man, I can tell you that.
Among the Indians, it’s complicated. Sexuality is different in India than it is in Europe; it is more pagan but nonetheless, more conservative.
However I think that despite all the conservatism there, women in India “want more sex” than… you got it.
In the SouthEast (Thailand and the like) there is traditionally more sexual “freedom” (whoring) than in Europe.
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Virgin@40,
Glad to see we can move right along, since you can’t come back w/a response to my last post, lol.
Alrighty then…
For every Haiti you can point to, I can point to Romania, Russia, Albania, hardly bastions of that shining city on the hill.
You just don’t get it do you, V? Black folk don’t have the lock on failed states. And there are quite a few places in Africa that are quite nice and stable. Senegal and Ghana are two. Very Black. I’d chose either one over the aforementioned EU hellholes anyday of the week, and quiet as is kept, so would a number of White guys here too.
And, I’m wondering what our Jewish brothers would think of your Hitler parting shot…
O
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which is why it’s better to rely on broad statistics comparing indices, like GDP or average familial income, among countries than for anyone to rely on cherry picking a few black or white countries here or there.
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again, broad statistics on measures, like age of first intercourse, number of yearly (or lifetime) sexual partners, are more germane than anecdotes by anyone in discussions like this.
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I’m not interested in this race debate. I am into black chicks. I have no opinions about what “black girls are like” b/c I’ve had such varying experiences with them.
As a white male who has both succeeded and failed with black chicks, my experience has been that when gaming certain black chicks, you must be totally prepared for the most excruciating, ruthless shit-testing imaginable. I’m not sure if black guys get this from black girls. Also, do not think for a SECOND that black girls are easy lays (i.e, “slutty” across the board). The attractive black woman will manipulate you just like a white girl would, although depending on education and upbringing, she may be more crude or blunt. When dealing with less sophisticated black girls, you have to look good, smell good – but I would add: be ready to counterpunch hard when verbal attacks come. I run what I call “jailhouse game” : super-aggressive game that focuses on the female’s anatomy. You’re shit-testing me? I’m judging you.
Now, with educated, upwardly mobile (hair-straightening college educated) you can effectively game them just like white girls, but with more emphasis on your social status (money, job, etc.) than on looks. One thing that does not go over well with black girls is abstract or ironic (“SWPL”- type) humor. They just don’t get it and they think its straight beta. They are more entertained by primitive humor.
If, like me, you are a white man who is attracted to black women but wants to avoid a ghetto situation, the best thing you can do is go after mixed black/latino or, if you’re lucky, the gem: the hot caribbean islander. All the booty, all the dance moves, but much less of the ghetto attitude, and with straight hair. They listen to reggae; some of them even smoke weed. These chicks go to college, hold down jobs, use birth control; they typically do not identify as strongly with the slavery-affirmative action cultural behemoth.
Best bet for aspiring eminems.
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“As for affirmative action, I’m all for getting rid of it-right after we get rid of it for Women and their Studies departments, Legacy admits, and all Sports scholarships.
Any takers? ”
—Yep, everyone with half a brain.
I love this whole new-school black meme where suddenly legacy admits are the same in number and unfairness as affirmative action. Yeah, right.
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Obsidian, et al
On the diversity question
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There is diversity™ and there is diversity. Most mentions of diversity refer to the first version (trademarked SWPL Inc.). The Black, White, and Asian Harvard graduate probably all share similar views and talents. Our second “black” president is basically a white liberal (for first Black president see: Clinton, William Jefferson).
Diversity of talents and temperaments is a good thing. Because of ethnocentricity, diversity of racial or ethnic groups is bad. The inter-group competition and lowered trust offsets the benefits of differing talents.
Has America been enriched by the contributions of Blacks? Undoubtedly. However, this diversity is not without costs. As has been documented, ethnic or racial diversity tends to lower trust, reduce civic involvement, and increase tensions.
Intra-group (e.g., white men who can and cannot jump) diversity is a strength, inter-group (i.e., Diversity™) probably is not.
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Intra-group (e.g., white men who can and cannot jump) diversity is a strength, inter-group (i.e., Diversity™) probably is not.
Given the complaints about the attitudes and behaviours of the black underclass, or in some cases, the entire black community, wouldn’t one argue that intra-group diversity is better?
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***that should be “inter-group diversity is better”
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Obsidian, I would prefer a Romania and a Russia anytime from a Ghana or the other one you mentioned. Though if you were talking of a South Africa, Angola, Botswana… 😉 and even though… I think I would prefer Romania. Russia? Definetly.
Russia *is* becoming a super power. It has a potential to growth that is very, very, very. And it keeps somewhat European and proud of it. Recently it has done more for “European Civilisation” than the United States.
Albania? It is hardly European…
About failed States: One thing is a failed State (white failed states: Moldova, Ukraine) another thing is a State with economic dificulties like Romania (and too many gypsies).
Of course Africans do not have the monopoly of failed states. The thing is that Africans were very dumb in ther “wars for freedom” that ended up making multicultural states, which are almost all failed states.
This is all about failed States. Europeans created organic enitities which rarely fail: Nations.
Africans are just one step behinde, their organinc entities are still their tribes. But this is only normal once “Europe is more refined than all and stuff”. The Biafra war was a tragic event that ended up the black dream of a stable and relatively prosper Africa, it was the supression of an African organic tribe in the name of an African state which is not more than the white man’s drawn borders.
Angola, Botswana, South Africa, Namibia, Zambia etc, are conuntries with potential. The worst thing there is Third Worldism / black supermecism like Mugabe and the South African president who says that AIDS can be cured with a cup of tea. This anti-whiteism is what will hurt them. Just ask Mugabe who turned prosper Rhodesia into world’s poorest country, Zimbabwe just so that his boys could kill some white mem and rape some white women and seize all that were in their hands. If Africans would just serve their natural, organic (tribal) interests…
Just to end. The Americans are an offshot of European Civilisation. Why to end that?
Game and such refinements that are usually discussed here only became necessary due to a de-Europeanisation of America (and Europe).
We ought to have a natural continuity with Tradition but instead we opted to turn Far Leftist and Multiculturalist.
Why want to destroy European Civilisation? I don’t get it. Sorry, but I think everyone would prefer an harsh time in the “Civilised (European) World” than go to the brightest of blackistan hellwhole.
You see, once, (and still in America) the Jews were a bit parsitic (a bit, they were not in AA yet…) and then they suffered so much that they all immigrated out of Europe to Israel (and also to America).
Where is the black Israel? Why didn’t the blacks opted to go to Liberia as Lincoln intended? I say that of course you have all the right to be in America but, once America is an European State, if you want it to make it into a black or multicultural hell hole, why don’t you just go to some place in Africa (black Israel)?
Why destroy?
That’s why I admire Malcolm X and can’t stand MLK. The first saw black people as equal human beings who just happened to be biologically and culturally different. And MX believe system (despite all the anti-white things) respected both white and black people because he saw them as equals, desarving the same respect.
While MLK was a bit like D.A. seeing blacks as generically inferior and secretly hoping to have a white son/daughter in law, while making blacks somehow equal but on a white society. How can you be equal in a white society if you are black? That’s when the AA and multiculturalism pop in to destroy American.
About Hitler and the Jews. F them both! 10 millions years have passed, get over it!
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Default,
Two words in response to your latter comments: US Military, & the NFL. Both are clear and present examples of racial diversity in terms of talents etc, and at the same time, all working for one goal.
As for your earlier comments, I can see where you’re coming from, but let me just use myself as a kind of example:
I’m inner city born and bred, never went to college, and grew up on Working class values. My Dad was from the Old School, all day, everyday; Chris Rock captures him just right in his show, Everybody Hates Chris. Through my Dad, I learned the importance of standing up for myself, the value of work, and to always rise to the challenge, come what may.
I consider the World to be my classroom, and Experience is my Teacher. I tend to learn best by actively being involved in things, though I admit to being something of a wonky geek type here and there.
So, my politics are informed more by my direct experience than anything I was just handed to me. My upbringing, my temperment, my very soul, tends to align more with Republican values than Democratic ones. My heroes are guys like Carnegie and JP Morgan, and Malcolm and Rocky, self made Men who lived out the American Creed in spades.
That’s why I chuckle sometimes to myself, when I see so many of you spend so much time harping on Affirmative Action. Me, I love nothing more than to go head to head with some of y’all. Let the Best Man win.
No one gave me anything in this world, man. Everything I got, I worked very hard for it-and let’s be clear here. When I say that, I don’t mean it in pencil pushing terms. I mean in real Man Hour terms-on your feet, in motion, actually making stuff, from can’t see in the morning, till can’t see at night, 12 hours a day, sometimes 6 days a week.
And I still find time to study things like Game.
Which reminds me…
For real, I’ve only read like two books on the subject. Sure, I’ve skimmed a lot of the stuff on the net, but in terms of hardcore studying, only two books.
I started on Dec 8 2008. By late Jan 2009, I had a female at the crib calling out for Jesus, based on what I learned in those two books.
I really do think that for some of y’all, you spend way too much moaning or scapegoating or wonking it up instead of actually being out there doing stuff. I find that at turns fascinating and repulsive.
Anyway, just wanted to toss that on the pile…
O
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Obsidian – As for sexual supremacy, one doesn’t need me to make such a claim; the sexual history of this country, where Black Men were lynched on the mere suspicion of looking at a White Woman, says much more about such fears and concerns on the part of White Males than anything I could.
Yes, that racial mythology says a lot about the black male’s irrational fears of White men’s racial revenge.
Fact is there are few if any cases of black males being “lynched for looking at a White women.”
This is one of the many self serving racial myths blacks have fabricated for their own emotional needs.
Not unlike the various black inventor myths – black man invented the traffic light myth, black men injected with syphilis myth, etc.
Black men were rarely lynched for actually raping White women let alone merely looking at them.
And considering the epidemic of black on White rape in America it’s obvious that blacks these days really don’t view White men’s racial retaliation as very likely.
Meanwhile far more black males have been “lynched” with guns and knives BY OTHER BLACK MALES for looking at, talking to or getting to close to their women.
Interesting that black males like Obsidian pretend not to know that and instead focus their racial fears and anxieties on White men as a threat going back to slave times.
Black males get murdered by black males, black women get raped by black males. That is almost exclusively true now and it was overwelmingly true through out American history including during slavery regardless of the black racist fear fantasies of White slave masters raping black women or black males being lynched for looking at White women.
Black men will ALWAYS be obsessed with White women. The White woman is the Queen of the black boys dreams.
White women are a genetic, social, emotional status prize for black males.
Black women are barely a mere semen receptacle to most White men.
That’s a key difference in race in America.
The black boy’s unresolved Oedipal issues have resulted in the projection of the father/mother complex onto White people.
The White man is the Daddy the black boy wants to out compete and the White woman is the Mommy he wants to sexually possess.
Obsidian is a case study in this black boy psychological dynamic. Read his comments from this perspective for understanding.
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Since lynching was mentioned by a few people… I wonder how much of it was what the official line says — mob attacks on innocent people, mostly white on black.
Vs. how much of it was justified if not fully “due process” retaliations for real crimes.
Weren’t something like half of lynched pepole in 1860-1960 South white? In other words, criminals/outlaws summarily hanged for robbery, rape, murder, what will you? In the wild west, you got hanged for horse theft. Treebranch, rope, giddyup! I’d imagine that most of the hanged rustlers were white. See “Lonesome Dove” and Robert Duvall’s character dispatching some ten miserable men to their final judgment.
You gotta remember what it must have been like in rural South or on the frontier back in the day: towns and villages of population groups who don’t like or trust each other (ie, Diversity), poverty, no telephone, no 911 calls, no police cruisers, no forensic science, no intruder alarms… just forests, dark night, and a dead man or a violated woman. And his/her pissed off family and neighbors, and a hunch as to who is responsible.
I’m not taking a side in this debate because I don’t know the actual history but I’m just going on a hunch, some things I’ve read here and there, and general knowledge of human nature.
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everytime Obsidian comes in the whole discussion turns absolutely worthless.
Guess the threshold to have a normal discussion is having a brain within one standard deviation.
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Obsidian
The US Military and the NFL work because they are not multicultural. They have very strong unifying cultures.
For racial and ethnic diversity to work you need a society with strong rules, expectations and mores. Most Western societies do not have that strength of tradition any more. However, the military certainly does.
My knock against diversity was not about Black people. Indeed, Black Americans are not particularly ethnocentric (at least compared to other groups, especially White people who seem to have zero ethnocentricity).
Chinese and Jews are probably far more ethnocentric, and their ethnocentricity also poses diversity™ problems. So arguments about diversity are not just about Black people.
In some ways politics is similar to game. We can describe things at a logical level, but a lot happens at an emotional level. There may be many logical reasons for opposing high taxes, but those who argue most strongly are those that actually suffer loss. It is the emotional argument (“those bastards take one third of my income”) that drives the logical arguments. It is the same with Affirmative Action the emotional (“my son might lose his place”) arguments drive the logical (“academic excellence”) arguments.
To put the above in more personal terms: It is not so much that I worry that your smart, hard working (black) son will get ahead, it is that my smart, hard working (white) son will lose out. Losing out to you in free competition is disappointing (as a competitive male, I like to win), losing out to you because someone “fixed” the scoreboard is annoying. In the first case I can try and up my game, and do better next time. The second case leaves the intensely bitter taste of been cheated.
From the various evo-psych discussions here we should understand that however smart we like to think we are, we are still biological creatures. This means that many of our fears, hopes, and ideas will be driven by things group loyalty, status anxiety, and fear of loss.
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There, there Spandrell. The line to my jock forms to the Left.
Default, excellent thoughts. Bravo. May the fervrent anti AAers take note.
PA, getting a better understanding of some 100 years of Lynchings of Black Men in America is pretty easy to find, thanks to Google. I’m sure Wikipedia is a good place to start.
O
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Hello Willard. Just in time. Pull up a chair.
Two words, to begin our exchange, in response to your “lynching mythology” remarks:
EMMITT TILL.
Look it up.
Holla back.
And we’ll go from there. OK?
O
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I said:
Should read:
… (at least compared to other groups, except for White people…
Last minute changes will do that to you. Anyway, proffreading (ahem) is beta.
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Default while I got you here…
Going back to the NFL and the Military, I concede your point, but surely you must see mine; both orgs deploy the unique talents, on racial/genetic grounds, do they not?
Comments?
O
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O:
“… there are quite a few places in Africa that are quite nice and stable. Senegal and Ghana are two.”
True, they have lots of stables in those countries. The clitorectomies are usually performed in nice quiet stables.
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nothing personal dude, but this was a nice thread about Game, and yet again it became a my-race-is-better-than-yours crap discussion.
no difference between you and tokyo or other trolls.
About diversity, its pretty funny, the majority wants to kick you out (no diversity, but you don’t wanna get kicked out (diversity is strengh blabla). I´m not American so I can see you guys politely wishing death to each other.
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Yes, but Roissy and Chuck brought up racial differences first, not Obsidian. And their points were good. And Obsdian agreed with much of what they had to say.
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Thank you again, T-Raw. That’s two I owe ya. 😉
O
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Obsidian
The interesting thing about the military is that is, in some ways, a very “white” institution. It is based on tradition, order, and fairly low levels of competitiveness (willingness to act for the benefit of the group). There is certain nerdiness to the structure and order of military life. It is one of those efficient, if bland, institutions that White people are good at creating and running.
It does not sound like the kind of place a stereotypical black man would do well. Yet, black men do very well in the military. I am not sure what that means. Perhaps it is that if we want a multi-racial society, it should be one based on a fairly strong sense of order. The kind of order I am talking about is one of tradition, shared history, and agreed upon morals (for want of a better word). It is not an order based upon government power.
I cannot really comment on the NFL other then the usual “Black men are good at sports” observation (can that even be called an “observation” any more?).
Notes on the above:
Although I only mentioned men, I realize that women (black and white) serve in the military. I thank them for serving.
I am itching to mention current immigration policy and its affects on Black (and White) America but don’t want to spin this off into another 300 reply post.
As G Manifesto would say: “Let’s get back to swooping fly girls” (of whatever race).
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xsplat
Maybe TJF is Sarah, without her meds?
For the record, not that you care, the only meds I have ever taken are pain pills (only when actually needed) and antibiotics many many years ago. Now it’s an occasional aspirin or ibuprofen. Whatever insanity you detect here is completely natural and has always been 100% natural. I’m proud of the fact that I don’t do drugs.
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Default,
Sailer has written at some length on both the NFL and the Military in these regards. I should like to suggest you check his pieces out. They merit a read.
And coming from three generations of Marines, yea, the Military has been a Brotha’s friend. Yup yup.
O
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Chuck – roissy and Ob: i can see this devolving into a race realism debate really quickly. i expect willard libby to make an appearance in due time.
Shazam!
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David Alexander
The complaints of Black criminality are a classic ethnocentric thing. It is easier to fear or rail against the crime of the “other.”
Whether Black people actually commit more crime or not, it will be more noticed by White people. It will attract more notice because it is the “other.” When identifying friend or foe, it is easier to mark out the one who is obviously different. Even in bad things there is an in-group preference (we take slights less seriously from our own).
In other words no matter how well behaved each group is (Black or White), hurts dished out between each group (e.g., racial taunts, crime) will be felt more strongly than hurts dished out amongst ourselves.
In other words inter-group competition will always be more negative that intra-group competition.
[I don’t know if the above answers your question. It looks kind of wordy and nerdy. I am kind of tired, so that’s all your getting :)]
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Willard,
Does this mean you’ve looked up Emmitt Till?
O
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Man, diversity blows.
It was used to be that all the white nationalists could throw points back and forth amongst themselves without much strive around these parts, but then Obsidian showed up and ruined it all.
Diversity = weakness.
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Sorry to ruin the party, Abe. Just thought it’d be fun for a live Brotha to weigh in.
Pull up a chair, the party’s goin strong!
O
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Yea Obsidian, stop disagreeing.
Let the white nationalists have their fun.
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I think it is fantastic that on a blog ostensibly devoted to ‘game’ and such, you can find the most honest, enlightening, and open discussions of race, ethnicity and culture ANYWHERE. Beautiful. Well done, everyone. Where the mainstream culture fears to tread, we blaze a trail anew each day.
Seriously. I think I have learned more about black people from this blogs’ comments (Obsidian in particular) than from the many black people I have actually known. Merely because here, in this form, nothing is sacred and no one is afraid of how they are perceived. Ideas and opinions face the test of logic and argumentation.
I fucking love this blog.
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Yeah Abe, Yeah… are you with the period?
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Sara: The act of taking medication for a disease is certainly nothing to be ashamed about in itself. Ironically, can’t take aspirin or ibuprofen myself due to increased risk of a bleed; have history of an ulcer!
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Obsidian, I just went to look up E. Till.
A tragic and horrific story. But a case, just one. And mind you, it was not very smart to do what the boy did, was it? (whatever he did).
And while this incident is unforgiven, if I were a judge or had some power, you better believe me that the black attacks on white womem (or Chinese or whatever) would be meet with harsh, harsh punishments (prision for life?).
You see, I am not a racist but I can be seen as somewhat of a “White Nationalist”. Maybe that is why I like some of the racial laws of Nazi Germany in which a non-Aryan (but most really only a Jew) could face death or life long enprisionement for having intercourse with a German (or was it Aryan?) women.
And did you know that after the Christians had conquered the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal) up untill the XVIII century it was forbidden by law a muslim or his descendents and a Jew and his descendents to have intercourse with a Christian women? Yeah, I could live with that.
I will not deny that white masters raped their female black slaves but it was “their slaves” and white men do not rape black women.
In Europe it is like the plague, in most countries I’d say that (at least) half of the rapists of white women are “non-whites”; In Australia, the “waves” of rapes of white women by non whites are known by all.
But the worst case is really the United States. In the United States alone, the white on black rape is less than three per year and a statistical zero in the rapes black women are subjected, this while IN EVERY 15 MINUTES, ONE WHITE WOMEN IS RAPED BY A BLACK MAN IN AMERICA.
And despite all this, I haven’t seen nothing in the media but cases of whites who did NOT rape black women.
This is the reality Obsidian, and that makes me at least think if “strong measures” are not needed at all. Who’s the racist here? Even in Latin America, where white women rarely are victims of rape, they know what will happen if they are seen in darker areas.
Well, I think you get my points. And I’ll like to hear the numbers of the Indians and Africans who come from Latin America.
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Abe & Virgin@40,
Talk about goin’ off the rails!-what the heck does White Nationalism have to do w/Game?!?
Sheesh…
O
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“Going off the rails…” =/
Come on, every thread here devolves into race-baiting/American Renaissance type of gathering. I wish it wasn’t so but there you have it.
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Indeed Obsidian, indeed…
You’re right fellow.
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Whether Black people actually commit more crime or not, …
They do. By about a 6:1 margin.
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abe —
I wish so too but it’s been coming from both sides. Obsidian does his black sexual, skin youth, etc. soft spoken supremacism thing; and a small group of white nationalists here, small (and no alphas) do their white brains and money and crime superior thing.
Lets knock it off from all sides.
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O, I think its a legitimate question about the number/percentages of lynchings of black men for “looking” at white women or unfounded cases of rape.
Emmit Till was deliberately used by civil rights agitators as a rallying point. Its the same with all political movements/agendas: find a sympathetic case and use that face as a billboard to draw supporters. That’s why laws regarding sexual offenders are often termed “Stacey’s Law” or we have “Amber Alerts”—the name of some sympathetic victim that the law supposedly remedies.
That doesn’t mean I’m agreeing that the whole “lynched black man” thing is a myth.
And Virgin is a nut, but really, substitute “black” for every time he says white and you have an Al Sharpton speech—except, for some idiotic reason, he gets credibility from the media, despite beign a race hustler (thank you Jason Whitlock).
We have to remember that much of our modern view of racism against blacks comes from TV and movies—which largely depict black men as Christ figures, wronged and lied about but absolutely good people. So after movie after movie of civil rights being “evil rednecks killing blacks indiscriminately,” it stands to reason that we can ask for the bare percentages and numbers removed from the Hollywood machine. Mississippi Burning is not a documentary.
Look, take the Holocaust. If all I had about the Holocaust was anecdote and movies, I’d be skeptical of the size and scope. But we have stats, figures, bodies, and evidence that’s in every history book and website. Its why the Neo-Nazis denying it can’t make headway; Holocaust historians have far too much evidence to take down.
The commonly accepted view of history is that blacks were constantly lynched for no reason and without retribution to the lynchers. I do buy it happened, but I think we should have some more numbers in front of us.
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Lurker,
Excellent timing, sadly. The historian and scholar John Hope Franklin died yesterday at the age of 94 yesterday. He has written what many consider to be the definitive work on the history of African Americans. He has also written his memoirs. I would kindly suggest you and all those so inclined to check them out.
O
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“But we have stats, figures, bodies, and evidence that’s in every history book and website. Its why the Neo-Nazis denying it can’t make headway; Holocaust historians have far too much evidence to take down.”
Lurker, while just looking down with comtempt and calling me a “nut”, I think you should try to collect (see) the evidence provided everywhere and try to see independently how many Jews could have been killed. Also, look to the World Wide number of Jews before and after WWII, you will not see that great decrease in their numbers.
I will not say that the Holocaust did not took place but it certainly weren’t all those millions. It’s just like with the blacks: it’s not that they were not lynched for “looking” (well, that looking almost certainly envolved offensive lack of respect and probabily rape) to white women but that those lynchings were not rituals of killing innocent (who merely looked to a white women feet) blacks to please the Gods of the white men as they are shown to the world nowadays.
Concerning the Holocaust, just check out that Traditional Catholic Priest who spoke in Argentina: He can not tell lies, certainly not against Jews according to his principles, and he’s a man of prnciples.
And the Jews innocent victims? Read their History in Europe. Or better, just study their ties to Communism and what happened in the Soviet Union. That was a real “Zionist Occupied Government”.
And mind you, though never had met a Jew, I am much pro Israel and thing the average anti-Semite as repulsive as a frog, not a French, a frog.
But just one thing:
Why do African Americans have to be the perpectual victims? That’s why a Malcolm X day instead of a Martin Luther Kind day would be needed (mainly for that community).
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About Holocausts:
Canada was 98% white in 1985
in 2005 it was 80% white. Which Nation han an increase of white people in percentual terms? Angola and which other? Oh yeah… Iraq.
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Howard Roark (hair-straightening college educated)
Black women who wear their hair in it’s natural state are college educated. Those who wear it str8 can be from any background.
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