It’s Female Beauty Friday! You know the drill. You rank order the ten photos below, assigning a number between 1 and 10 inclusive for each photo. DO NOT USE A NUMBER MORE THAN ONCE. The photos are in no particular order. I was careful to choose pics that represent a woman at each point on the 1 to 10 beauty scale.
The best way to do this without biasing your ratings is to first look at all the photos before ranking them. Then go back and judge like a god.
The idea behind this rather pleasurable exercise is to demonstrate the conformity of men’s attractiveness standards, even across races. I get a thrill up my leg by smashing cherished shibboleths like “beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, and I especially love watching people twist defensively in the face of stone cold reality as they vainly try to prop up their pretty lies.
In the interest of giving my detractors their due, I’ve gone the extra mile in this post and chosen “real” women from among the submitted female photos (and a few of my own choices) whose rankings are less clear cut than expected. I’ve also included other races, and I’ve avoided using celebrities or otherwise well-known women. Nevertheless, I predict, despite the increased difficulty level, that most of you will agree in the rankings, plus or minus one point.
I also predict, as before in the first female ranking exercise, that the most disagreement will occur in the middle rankings — 4,5,6 — where a woman’s looks tend to blend in with the masses of other women along the fat part of the bell curve, and at the very upper end where great battles will be fought to decide who is the 10. The latter is because once you get into rarified beauty territory personal whim looms large.
Note: Women older than 40 (barring rare exceptions) and obese women are disqualified from the competition, even as fodder for the rankings below 4, because age and fat introduces a potent variable that will skew the results too drastically away from underlying facial beauty. Obesity especially is the Beauty Destroyer, the Leveler of the Playing Field, that can turn a 10 into a 2. The problem with America today is that so many women are fat that they’ve pushed the beauty bell curve into an unsightly leftward bulge, where we are now overflowing with 3s and 4s at the cost of fewer 6s and 7s. Goddamn shame it is.
After the voting is complete, you can compare your preferences to those of your peers, and to me, in the follow-up post I will write.
For those who don’t like arched eyebrows and giant fake smiles, here is another photo of “fur smile” girl.
Did you find yourself lingering longer over some photos than others?
PS: There is an Evil Easter Egg in this post. If you’ve found it, try not to blurt it out too soon in the comments. Give people a chance to stumble into my dastardly ways for themselves.
The blonde with the bottle is not a fair pic. She’ll be unfairly favored despite her slightly above average face. Reason? Boobs.
If you’ve ever noticed on “rate my pic” sites, women who reveal more always score higher than their looks warrant.
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Definitely harder around the 6-7-8-9-10 area. I was almost dead on with the group near the bottom to middle.
PS. Cigstache, where did that thing go?
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So you’re forcing a 1-10 distribution of the women pictured? Because none of them would normally rate a 9 or 10. Last time you had Monica Bellucci who is a legit 10 and some other very attractive women.
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A few comments:
The seated woman wearing the fur collar (no. 4) is a professional model, as seen from the photo caption. It isn’t really fair to compare her to the others. Although the girl with her hand on her chest (no. 7) may not be a model, the photo looks professionally posed.
She may be showing a bit of cleavage, but the black girl seems rather too young to be included in this sort of thing. The girl with the bottle of sake (second photo) and the girl in the last photo also have that underage aura about them.
The picture of the girl eating the french fry (no. 3) is of such poor quality that it’s hard to make a definite judgment as to the girl’s numerical ranking.
A pleasant expression can boost a girl’s ranking, and vice-versa. Compare Red Beret (no. 5) and Black Sweater (no. 6).
Peter
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Agreed this was harder in the upper realm. The head looks photoshopped on #4.
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Couple of ’em are pretty bimodal
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Comments:
1. All the girls were 4-8 in my initial scale, except for the bespectacled overweight blonde woman, who was a 2.
2. Given that we had to assign 1-10 slots for each girl, the 7s got bumped up a few points and the 5s got bumped down a few points. The provided spectrum of women is similar to what we see in DC, a bunch of women in the 4-8 range with the 7s getting a boost and the 5s getting dragged down. It’s great for the 7s but I feel bad for the 5s because they’re not as hideous as the relative score we accord them.
3. The skinny blonde girl with the nice rack is cute regardless of her great tits. I literally had to block her tits with my finger to accurately rate her face alone. She’s still a solid 8. Her tits don’t improve her “attractive” score but they improve her “desirability/want to bang her” score.
4. Conversely, girl #7 who looks like a model/porcelain doll is objectively “attractive” (and I gave her an 8 in the assigned scoring) but has no sex appeal to me whatsoever.
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Not getting the easter egg. Damn.
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With regards to (g) – so makeup and lighting make you a 10? Not in my book.
Otherwise, there are way too many 4-7s in this set.
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I predict that fake boobs will, appropriately enough, yield a strikingly bimodal distribution. (Count me among the contributors to the left peak.)
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Even though #1 is cute, anyone else get the “M. Butterfly” vibe?
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Meant (a), not #1.
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The easter egg is that one of these women is a 10 to one of the regular commenters.
An interesting thing is big boobed blonde probably gets a point or two for looking extra petite. That photo is all kinds of wrong. Look at the size of the girl compared the size of the sake bottle.
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The only one I liked was #3, the guy’s mom.
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I noticed that what’s beautiful and what’s hot are slightly divergent.
I rank the girl with facial close-up (green eyes, hand touching her collarbone) as the most beautiful, though I’m more interestied in lookng at her face than doing anything with her.
Girl no.2 (Sake bottle in foreground) would make my dick break right through my jeans zipper, especially if she had small natural breasts, but objectively she is not as pretty as some of the others. Pump & dump. Ah, but what a pump!
The girl at the square (with the furry collar) looks like a bitch. A hard, angry grudge-fuck. Then either (1) ignore any communications form her, or (2) strongly resist a temptation to become obsessed with her.
The black girl and the Asian girl look like the best combination of prettiness and good personality, and are only average in terms of inspiring lust.
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Interesting Steve and Willard.
(b) is the hottest, but she looks like she’d be a dead fish in bed. Seems too blank in the photo (“Hi…….”).
But I would need more investigation to render a complete verdict. That would invovle several rounds of motorboarding followed by the old in-out in-out.
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The easter egg is that one of these women is a 10 to one of the regular commenters.
I certainly hope not!
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The easter egg is that one of the pictures is a picture of one of the commenters at a younger age.
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Girl with bottle: Fake breasts.
Fur collar: I didn’t like her very much. The overarched eyebrows or that “hard” smile.
I thought the nicest looking girl, even though she may not be the prettiest of the lot, was Rain And’s mother. She looks fresh, sweet, pretty. And look at that old fashioned collar she’s wearing and the braid wrapped around her head!
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I think an interesting experiment would be to do this same ranking but within races (e.g., all black or all Asian or all Hispanic).
Given that most of the responders are white, I wonder what the results would show. My guess is a preference toward those non-whites who have Western features.
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This one was definitely harder and, as everyone is saying, trickier at the top. I ranked the four most unattractive women very easily, decided to flip-flop chocolate fry to the five spot and give the asian the six, then the real challenge began.
After a LONG deliberation, I gave the 7 to fur collar on the basis of the NYBT touchup, although she reminded me of a college flame from back in the day. She might have gotten the 10 if she was wearing a bikini. I was most fascinated by the old school photo, as the first word I associated was ‘feminine.’ I was very tempted to pull out the ten for her, but I could not justify it, so she got a 9. I’d be interested in seeing some different angle shots, as this still seems like a suspiciously high number.
The picture of Princess Irulan from the Dune movie was penalized not so much for the obvious studio quality, but rather for the pronounced clavicle, which I inferred would be carrying a very modest set of tits, so she got the 8 despite having the best face. I wound up ranking the final three on virtue of who I would most enjoy fucking, and I had to give the 10 to the pair of balloons stuck on the little 90 lb playtime body. Unfortunately, her average face should not warrant a 10, and while she has no particular ‘flaw’, I would still describe her as “plain” given just a few adjectives. The tits don’t lie though.
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I’m willing to bet one of those pictures is someone’s mom. The fact that its an old photograph gives it away.
This was a tough one. I had trouble picking the following three slots after voting on the 10.
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Not sure if throwing in the asian and the black girl was such a good idea. The asian is pretty,but it would have been more instructive to rate 10 asians agin each other. One asian just skews things,as some guys LIKE asians and some dislike ’em. me,I try to judge them fairly. You should use a uni-racial comparison,me thinks. But then again,i dont have a blog–so what do I know! 🙂
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“I thought the nicest looking girl, even though she may not be the prettiest of the lot, was Rain And’s mother. ”
Cool. Two easter eggs.
and agreed, she’s the best total package of the lot. I guess she’s highest on the girlfriend material scale.
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girl #7 who looks like a model/porcelain doll is objectively “attractive” (and I gave her an 8 in the assigned scoring) but has no sex appeal to me whatsoever.
Concur. I gave her a 7 largely because I went up and did them in order from 1 to 6 first.
French Fry girl might have moved up in my estimation if it was a better picture and she did her hair differently. Even as she is she looks more inherently appealing, though less “objectively attractive” than Porcelain Doll.
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First girl hottest! 10! Me likey!
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as, hah! Just read your comment so that’s Rain And’s mom. Bit twisted.
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Fake boobs ruin girl no. 2.
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Girl with superior tits holding up glass sitting next to large bottle was my favorite. I gave her a 10 although she’s probably more of an 8 or 9. I’m not into African or Asian girls much but did give them a 4 and 5 (respectively) trying to be objective.
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Sheesh, talk about age progression!
Those last two pictures definitely make a point, if it is what I think it is.
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I know I probably should like the first picture. However I find something strange about her. She is what I imagine the first sex-bots will look like.
After saying that, I expect to hear from a certain poster (think major Asian city, founder of the Christian religion, and that thing you do with you hand before you punch someone).
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“The problem with America today is that so many women are fat that they’ve pushed the beauty bell curve into an unsightly leftward bulge, where we are now overflowing with 3s and 4s at the cost of fewer 6s and 7s.”
How true it is.
And how sad.
The 9 and 10 are either (g) or (d).
I would personally go with 9’s on both.
– MPM
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When I’m fucking a girl, I don’t care if she’s got fakies or not. So long as they look nice and aren’t rock hard, motorboard baby!
Dating, then I might have an issue.
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I’m not going to use the 1 – 10 scale because these girls don’t fill the entire spectrum with one to a number. That being said, I rank them in order of beauty, from the best to the worst, in this way:
Fur collar
Sake bottle
Hand on chest
Asian girl
French fry
Red streamers (or whatever’s in the last picture)
Red beret
Black girl
Black sweater
Blonde with glasses
I could easily reverse the order of Hand on chest/Asian girl, and of Red beret/Black girl. Red beret should donate 20 pounds to Sake bottle; both would benefit. Ditto for Black sweater and Sake bottle.
Peter
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(d) or “fur smile” girl looks like a good time to be smoking cancer sticks with on a Autumn day in NYC.
I would shoot down some down some double espressos with her, maybe a glass of Tempranillo.
Then I would convince her to split an E-Tab with me and spend the rest of the day showering with her and swooping with her in The Plaza Hotel.
At night, I would make an excuse that I had to fly to LA, an after shimmying her out the door get ready for another night out.
Possibly the Penthouse Executive Club for balance.
– MPM
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“I also predict, as before in the first female ranking exercise, that the most disagreement will occur in the middle rankings — 4,5,6 — where a woman’s looks tend to blend in with the masses of other women along the fat part of the bell curve, and at the very upper end where great battles will be fought to decide who is the 10. The latter is because once you get into rarified beauty territory personal whim looms large.”
So you’re saying that beauty is strictly objective, that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is a myth, and yet you admit most men will disagree about the 4-6 range….and the 9-10 range? That’s like, half the scale!
I pretty much agree with everything you have to say about female beauty until you get to the conclusion: “female beauty is objective; all men save a few outliers rank women in the exact same way.” We know there are certain female traits that, when obtained, instantly add or subtract from the way she will perceived by virtually all men. It’s also safe to say that virtually all men will be in agreement about in the 1-3 range. These two facts still leave a lot of room for individual taste!
I think my confusion about your view on this topic has to do with us having different conceptions of “objective.” I must be thinking of it in a far stricter way.
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The only one’s I’d do would be:
4, 7, 2, 3*. In that order.
*This looks like an old pic. So my ‘do-her’ judgment is based on how she looked when the pic was taken, and not now, 20 or whatever years later.
#4 looks like my ex.
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chipmunk
LOL
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(g) looks like the kind of innocent beauty you meet at the Beach in France Topless in Summer.
After getting slotted in the French Beach break, I would step to her and share some Gauloises (the blue ones) while she is topless.
I would spit some reasonable French Game (colored from many travels) and invite her for a “Sandwich American”* at a beach side restaurant.
She would make fun of me for being an American, and overeating. We would laugh about my French speaking ability and throw down a glass or two of red.
I would then invite her to my 1840 built beachside hotel for a hashish joint.
She would be impressed with my one hand rolling ability in the “Amsterdam” style.
After puffing and swooping, I would pass out early and do the same thing again the next day.
– MPM
* Two hamburgers with french fries on top on a french roll. – Mindblowing.
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The picture of Princess Irulan from the Dune movie
This girl-child’s lovely, but she’s not a patch on Virginia Madsen as Irulan.
(Yeah, nerdy. I know.)
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oldster:
The seated woman wearing the fur collar (no. 4) is a professional model, as seen from the photo caption.
she’s not a supermodel and she isn’t well-known. therefore, she counts as “real”.
She may be showing a bit of cleavage, but the black girl seems rather too young to be included in this sort of thing. The girl with the bottle of sake (second photo) and the girl in the last photo also have that underage aura about them.
jesus, dude just how old are you? i get the impression your ability to accurately judge women’s ages has deteriorated with age, and now every young attractive girl looks like a prepubescent teen to you.
gannon has his finger on the pulse of what constitutes hot chicks a lot better than you do.
The picture of the girl eating the french fry (no. 3) is of such poor quality that it’s hard to make a definite judgment as to the girl’s numerical ranking.
the quality is good enough for work.
A pleasant expression can boost a girl’s ranking, and vice-versa. Compare Red Beret (no. 5) and Black Sweater (no. 6).
only to those men with no taste.
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any hints on the easter egg?
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i think fur coat’s numbers are inflated, just like bridge girl from the last one, because they are both soooooo thin. neither strikes me as anything that special (although i guess if she is a model, she prob has better pics out there than that).
the mom is really pretty.
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Here’s my judgment as to the one thing that really counts:
Asian girl: landing strip*
Sake bottle: bald eagle
French fry: GNP**
Fur collar: bald eagle
Red beret: landing strip***
Black sweater: GNP
Hand on chest: bald eagle
Black girl: GNP
Blonde with glasses: GNP****
Red streamers: landing strip
* = given her ethnicity, a GNP cannot be completely ruled out
** = at the time the picture was taken; today, I am less confident
*** = she looks like the type who’d try “trendy” grooming in a (futile) attempt at increasing her sexual value
**** = not that I really want to think about this
Peter
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Ironrails, you completely crack me up. ROFL!
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Okay, who the hell ranks #9 as a 10? Allow me to clarify: you were supposed to give ’10’ to the best looking one, dumbass.
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“Here’s my judgment as to the one thing that really counts”
you created a metric that effectively inverts the beauty scale. You could simply rank them by uglyness instead.
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I’ve really turned the corner on G-Manifesto, his posts are ridiculous to the point that they’re kinda funny.
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Ironrails, here’s a hypothetical for you: Suppose one assembled 10 pics of… ahem… a different nature. I’m talking about a series of pics from the waist down and knees up. Would the ratings across a broad swath of men still cluster? Is there male encoding for body symmetry, hip width, junk in trunk, and… uh… your “grooming” details, etc.?
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Mr Manifesto,
I want to thank you for adding “swoop” to my vocabulary and enlightening on products I could never hope to afford. Keep typing that hot fire. From one Wale fan to another.
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The easter egg is that one of these women is a 10 to one of the regular commenters.
That would be in the opinion of the jesusanalfisting guy.
Rain And’s mom is gorgeous.
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My rankings, plus comments:
10: fur smile, quite perfect, but could have a bit more tapered chin
9: asian, not that hot, but better than the rest
8: wino, very hot, but a slightly masculine chin
7: IOI, long face, bad teeth
6: rain and
5: chocolate
4: heavy wool
3: chipmunk
2: red beret
1: schnoz
My bet is that the asian and black girls will have the highest variance.
PS. I would give 11 to a girl with wino’s overall looks, asian’s chin, and chocolate’s glasses.
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(d) Fur smile girl, is prettier in her second linked photo but she’s a fashionista. If there is a creature that can come a close second to a lawyer in total disagreeableness its a fashionista. Fickle, image obsessed, golddiggers with an over inflated sense of their own self worth, they make attrocious gf material. That’s not to say I wouldn’t hit. I would, like a retarded kid out of line ’cause I did rate her a 7, which makes the cut. Besides, she looks a lot like a girl I tapped back in the day.
I felt the 10 belonged to (g), youthful natural and oh so delicate beauty. 8 and 9, well fake boob girl and Rain And’s mom. no disrespect. I hate fake tits. They feel awful and the bottle blonde shit is trashy. I prefer all natural. The asian girl I gave a 6 and the rest, well they don’t need mentioning.
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Ironrails, you must be a hoot at the office.
On 8 of the 10 girls, I was either dead-on or within one point of the house consensus. The ones I missed most widely were the Asian chick, which the house rated much more attractive than I did, and hand-on-collarbone girl, which I gave but an 8; she has the same frightened look one of my ex-wives had.
Rain And’s mom looks better each time I study that pic.
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jesus, dude just how old are you? i get the impression your ability to accurately judge women’s ages has deteriorated with age, and now every young attractive girl looks like a prepubescent teen to you.
Ha ha, suffice to say that I’m not nearly as old as you think I am.
Peter
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(b) Dime a dozen Orange County girl with fake boobs.
I would step to her table of four of her girlfriends (two of whom look identical, the fourth: weesh) and pull up a chair holding a far superior bottle of Nigori.
Its a Wednesday night and the DJ is spinning at the southern California “party sushi” joint.
I would wave to the DJ (who I have carefully cultivated a “functional” acquaintance with over the last few months) who gives me a “finger point” and a smile back.
The purpose of this is simply for him to give me high-fives and finger points so I don’t seem “weird” to girls when I roll in the sushi joint alone to pick up girls.
I then would yap to the girls about how the live lobster sashimi is the best thing on the menu, which they have never tried.
They tell me they come here for “the california rolls”.
I roll my eyes, but I have been through this a million times before so I keep calm and don’t start ridiculing the girls.
They then ask me how I know the DJ and I yap about how I have known him for ever and blah blah blah.
The girls think I am the coolest thing they have ever met.
After polishing off the Nigori, I would invite the girls to another nightclub where I know the owners to get in pro-bono.
After another hour of mindless conversation, and winning over the group, I would invite “(b) Dime a dozen Orange County girl with fake boobs” girl back to my crib for Champagne (really just a $9 bottle of Processco, but she can’t tell the difference).
After swooping her till 3:30 am, and shooing her out the door to her cab, I can only wonder:
Was this night worth it?
Probably not.
But most likely I will do it again next Wednesday.
– MPM
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Wonka:
“If you’ve ever noticed on “rate my pic” sites, women who reveal more always score higher than their looks warrant.”
Women who reveal more *and* look good doing it, get higher scores whereas women who have pancake titties and stretch marks get docked if they show off their wares.
You have to take the whole package.
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Wonka–
Since when is a girl’s body irrelevant to her beauty? Never, outside of fashion mags. That girl has superb boobs, and her top is not falsely advertising them. My 9.
I gave Rain And’s mom, when young, my 10. See the link at the “Female Photo Submissions” linked at top right of the blog. Rain, unless your dad’s a chimpanzee, you must be a handsome guy.
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Ah, G, we missed you.
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There were no 10s in this group. 10s do exist, but this just goes to show how hard they are to find in real life. Only in Hollywood or the modeling world, where the very best looking women are plucked out from obscurity around the world, will you find many instances.
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H — why do you insist on each picture getting assigned one of the 1-10 slots? I think we’d get a better understanding of our female beauty standards if we could give scores irrespective of the other pictures.
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Most of these girls are ugly, and some don’t even look 18.
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G:
“The purpose of this is simply for him to give me high-fives and finger points so I don’t seem “weird” to girls when I roll in the sushi joint alone to pick up girls.”
well played my friend…
social proof from hot chicks > social proof from DJ > social proof from bartender > social proof from other guy friends > social proof from bouncer > clubbing alone
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Thursday
“There were no 10s in this group. 10s do exist, but this just goes to show how hard they are to find in real life.”
In real life IN America.
Many countries and cities around the world dominate Hollywood.
By KO in the first.
– MPM
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I’m surprised how much Wool Skirt is penalized for her clothes and hair. Wool Skirt clearly isn’t at the top, but I’d say she’s clearly superior to the last girl on the list.
The only ten here is french fry. This discussion may (and likely will) degenerate to “yes she is/no she isn’t” — but I can’t believe other people don’t see it.
I rated the model a nine. And, yes, the alternate photo helped, otherwise I would have rated her an eight.
Symmetry is pleasing, and that probably costs numbaone.
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Unconstrained rating scale:
b) 9
d) and c) 8
g) 7
a) and j) 6
f) and h) 4
e) and i) God help us
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You bastard, a few of these pics (#9) actually hurt my eyes. Thank you very little. I need to scroll back and stare at #4 for some therapeutic eyewash.
Something I noticed: one’s past experience or emotional response doesn’t overwhelm what is basically here a straightforward, biological rating task–at least for a man. What I mean is… girl #7 (the one touching her neck, who looks like a model/porcelain doll) looks EXACTLY like a woman I dated. No kidding. Hot bod. A dancer. I’m almost wondering if the pic IS indeed her. In any event, she turned out to be psychotic. I count myself lucky I escaped her clutches. …And yet I have no problem rating her exactly in-line with everyone else and at the top-ish end of the scale. What’s up with that? Biology indeed RULES. …But would a woman do the same emotional compartmentalization if the rating task was reversed? I wonder.
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To follow up on G and Chuck, many guys make the mistake of trying for the trendiest club or bar around and think that the chicks should be best for a “swoop” there.
Its much better to find one or two bars/clubs and build some rapport. Befriend the bartenders and waitresses and and at least know the bouncers, remember their names, and come in a bunch.
The best way to do this is to come in a few weeknights (when there are fewer patrons) for a bit. Order a few drinks, chat to the bored bartender and waitress, and tip well. Once you get their names and a bit about them, when you come in on a night for swooping, they’ll serve you first (even if there’s a crowd), they’ll bring your drink without asking, they’ll vouch for you in front of other girls, etc.
This has worked wonders for me. I used to be a chronic bar-hopper, and no one remembered me, so if I “swooped” alone, girls were suspicious. Then I cut my regular places down to 3-4 and learned names/faces/personal stories. Now I have a safety net of not only social proof, but people to chat with if I’m bored. I’m cleaning up.
Quality over quantity, my friends.
One rule I have, though, is to NEVER hit on a female bartender/waitress at my regular places–they’re too valuable to get other chicks with. The only time I would break this is if she is cleary hitting on me AND has been my social proof for a while AND she’s a party girl (most bartenders/waitresses fall into this category naturally). This way, you never upset the apple cart and get the entire staff against you for pumping and dumping a co-worker–unless she’s clearly out for that, in which case she’s done it before and it won’t be held against you.
Female workers at non-regular bars are fair game, though, since I likely won’t see them again and only bar hop if I have a wingman with me. Think Swingers.
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G:
At night, I would make an excuse that I had to fly to LA, an after shimmying her out the door get ready for another night out.
Possibly the Penthouse Executive Club for balance.
good to see you in fine form, G.
peter:
Here’s my judgment as to the one thing that really counts:
Asian girl: landing strip*
you know, your list is strangely plausible.
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Fun bags are supposed to shake and jiggle when you’re fucking a chick. Those OBVIOUSLY fake tits on the blond girl would just remain motionless like a couple of rocks. Blech! Nevertheless, I was forced to give her a rating of “7”. I gave higher ratings to doll face girl (8), arched eyebrows (10), and french fry girl (could have received a 10 with a better pic).
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“Since when is a girl’s body irrelevant to her beauty? Never, outside of fashion mags. That girl has superb boobs, and her top is not falsely advertising them. My 9.”
I’m not saying the body is irrelevant. Instead, it’s almost too relevant. Frankly, you could cover the boobs of that woman and get a lower rating. Take her shirt entirely off, and the rating will go through the roof. This is all well and good, but comparing wino to fur smile just isn’t fair.
You’re certainly welcome to include the body in your evaluation, but we don’t have that data for all of these girls, so wino gets a boost that becomes incomparable for the whole set.
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“Women who reveal more *and* look good doing it, get higher scores whereas women who have pancake titties and stretch marks get docked if they show off their wares.”
I don’t think this is necessarily true. I see plenty of pimple-assed pictures with wrinkles and sag, but they still get overly generous ratings for giving it up.
Face it, guys reward girls who share.
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Its as true on the interwebs as it is in real life: an ugly chick who acts slutty gets more attention than an ugly chick who is chaste.
Then again, it goes the other way an ugly chick who is chaste will get a less beta/more alpha man than an ugly chick who acts slutty.
True.
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Ready to make the asian girl my second wife except for the eye is in the wrong place. Need to see a body shot. Wierd part too I see lines of woman like this. It feeds the soul.
I may also be in love with rain’s mom.
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French fry girl easily second most attractive. Just that untouched fantasy Scandanavian-type everyone wants to find, sweet and pure looking. Rated an 8, but quite possibly a 9 or 10 in the appropriate fashion. Fur coat girl attractive, but looks haughty or perhaps bitchy. Probably mind-fucked by the NYC psychology by now, anyway.
How is the last girl rated so low? In a better picture, with the appropriate touch of light makeup and more revealing of her physique, she could easily be a real stunner. I gave her a 7 for the available pic, but I think she could really be the stratospheric type.
Really could not enjoy the green eyed girl with ringlets. Looks way too thin for me, almost anemic. A 5 in this picture, a 6 at best dressed to kill. Weird, that divergence.
I admit I had some problems with the scale as I worked down. I was saving the numbers “1 & 2” for some real beasts, as mediocre as many of these women are, they certainly don’t approach the dregs you see EVERY DAY on a casual mall stroll in America. Redhead in glasses is no looker, but a 1? Really?! Symmetry, clear skin…comeon.
I rated sushi-girl without the added benefit of her nice tits. They looked fake to me, and thus without them her facial structure and muscle tone suggest at 6, at most a 7.
Asian girl is difficult. Hard to rank her in a hierarchy, especially since many of the other girls don’t share her ethnic features to directly compare. I rated her a 7 in comparison to others here, but I think I’d rate her around average-ish in a more refined poll composed only of Asian girls.
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Fun rating these. Alot more fair than the last 10.
I immediately recognized your easter egg, and can’t help but noticed TJF hasn’t contributed any comments yet.
Has his IP visited today?
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Easter Egg:
(h) is Kthulah, one of the posters here.
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i guess the question would be, do the blonde’s fake tits add to or detract from her hotness?
i’m going to say add to in this case, although this isn’t always so…picturing her huge jugs overhanging her tight, rippled stomach and petite frame is pretty f-ing hot
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Need to see the hair down pic on c. G is very nice but wtf is up with the hair. Must be able to touch hair and have it be a pleasant feeling. Could touch b’s hair and be nice. Dam but she is hiding some hurt on the soul.
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Lurker,
Great breakdown.
“One rule I have, though, is to NEVER hit on a female bartender/waitress at my regular places–they’re too valuable to get other chicks with.”
Excellent advice.
If you do happen to accidentally break the rule (sometimes when faded you lose the surgical edge and you end up swooping the fly bartender girl), just go a get a new spot on lockdown.
Problem solved.
For the more ruthless: Get her fired.
– MPM
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French Fry is easily the most beautiful of the bunch– not a lick of makeup on, frowsy peter-pan blouse, old Polaroid candid.
Even so, she is more attractive than Fur Collar, who was obviously dressed to impress.
Sake Girl will look pretty rough by the time she’s thirty.
Black Girl was underrated. Like French Fry, she’ll age better than the rest, since she has nice bone structure.
Red-Head looks like she’s at least fifteen years older than the rest of these girls, which is pretty unfair to her– is she the same as the last girl? Their teeth are quite similar.
At any rate, she’d look a lot better if she actually took care of herself.
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One thing I haven’t been able to clear up is how the population is supposed to be distributed. It’s obviously not even (e.g. there are way more 5s than 10s out there), but I’m not sure it’s a normal distribution, either (e.g. there are also way more 1s than 10s). In this exercise, if you take the asian chick out of this set and insert Cigstache, obviously Ciggy becomes the 1 and the bottom half of the set moves up one place. So is redhat a 2 or a 3? Do we care?
It only matters because when guys get all haughty like “ooh, there are no 10s on this page,” it’s not clear what that actually means. Is a 10 the top half a percent of women? One thousandth of a percent? There’s no normative basis, so a lot of guys just seem like self-aggrandizing jerkoffs when they declare that somebody’s an 8 instead of a 9. Savoy has written a little about how Mystery’s buddies would spend time arguing about 9 versus 9.25, and how silly it all was when the data really is not numeric.
Now, the data is absolutely ordinal – when we rank everybody, the order comes out pretty consistently, with some variations based on tastes for or against implants, airbrushing, facial expressions, or whatever. That’s why this is fun, and it’s fascinating to see how much consensus there is. But as far as the numbers actually having meaning, I take it with a grain of salt – an 8 in one random sampling might be a 6 or a 9 in another.
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When everyone rated (g) a 10, were they guessing her age? I put her in the upper area, but no way was she the best. I think guys were fooled by the photography, especially the high contrast smoothing out all of her skin. Yeah, younger Nicole Kidman is right — blah.
Best girly looking girl is the blond with fake boobs. That’s the right kind of Nordic look, not like the IOI girl. The black chick is nice and girly too, very underrated.
I gave the 10 to the Russo-Turkish model. Yeah, her eye area looks a bit manly, but she’s got a huge grin, and that forces a lot of skin to crowd the eyeball area. The other girls have more natural expressions, so their eyes look bigger.
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The reason that there’s no disagreement at the lower end and lots of disagreement at the higher end is that we rate attractiveness on a logarithmic scale. So, the distance between each girl gets larger as you move down the scale: 10 and 9 might be a millimeter apart, 9 and 8 are five millimeters apart, 6 and 5 are a foot apart, and 2 and 1 are a mile apart.
That’s how human perception works generally, in perceiving distance as well as time. Think of it this way: if you could position the women at distances of 1 millimeter away from you, 5 millimeters, 2 centimeters, a foot, 10 feet, 100 feet, a mile, 100 miles, and a parsec, you would easily choose who would lie a galaxy away and who would lie only 100 miles away. But deciding who would stand 1 vs 5 millimeters from you would be a tough call.
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When everyone rated (g) a 10, were they guessing her age? I put her in the upper area, but no way was she the best. I think guys were fooled by the photography, especially the high contrast smoothing out all of her skin. Yeah, younger Nicole Kidman is right — blah.
I think most people missed the pained look in her smile… she isn’t the exhibitionist, her boyfriend is, and she is forced to pose for these pictures.
Really, it’s kinda hard to miss that she is not happy with having her picture taken.
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G, as always, you beat me hands down on pure mastery. Keep your head up.
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Oops, quoted the wrong text!
agnostic wrote:
Best girly looking girl is the blond with fake boobs. That’s the right kind of Nordic look, not like the IOI girl. The black chick is nice and girly too, very underrate
I think most people missed the pained look in her smile… she isn’t the exhibitionist, her boyfriend is, and she is forced to pose for these pictures.
Really, it’s kinda hard to miss that she is not happy with having her picture taken.
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P.S. Good story from a few years back.
My game was ON; I was very tight. I felt like I could walk into any bar and go home with a honey.
I’m in bar, late, drunk, with some girl, also drunk. I spit something stupid, and she gives me the “oh, are you too drunk for me?” eye. She decides for an open shit test:
“What’s my name?” (banking on the fact that I was too drunk to remember).
Me, without batting an eye: “What’s MY name?”
And yes, she did go home with me, or rather, the opposite. She had a nice ceiling.
Non-sequitor, but funny.
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The interesting thing about the black girl is that if she had comparable facial structure and were white she would be much more attractive.
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So… B is Alias Clio?
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black girl is cute and girlish, so that gives her at least a 6-7 for me; but she has some bitchiness in her eyes in the shot I’m not liking.
Course, if she whips out her catholic school girl outfit….
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There are universal standards of beauty among men. No denying that. More than enough empirical evidence to support it.
However, what I will say is that for some reason there will be particular females that will just flip a switch in my head that says “MUST WANT NOW.” They may not all be conventional 9’s and 10’s. Other men may think I’m crazy for lusting after such women. They will agree that they are attractive, but see nothing special about them. I suppose this is where individual variation creeps in.
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Thursday–
Without wholly subscribing to Thursday’s:
In that I think they do exist outside those spheres, but otherwise in your spirit:
a) 7
b) 9
c) 9
d) 7
e) 3
f) 4
g) 7.5 (Can’t help it. She’s hotter than a 7 but really not my type. Fragile ingenue waif to the max. If pressed, 8.)
h) 6
i) 2
J) 4
b) and c) 9
d) 8
a) d) and g) 7
j) 4
e) 3
i) 2
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“I think most people missed the pained look in her smile… she isn’t the exhibitionist, her boyfriend is, and she is forced to pose for these pictures.”
Yeah, women who run out and get their boobs blown up so they can show them off always turn out to be real wallflowers.
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Forget the above. It needed cleaning up. Replace with this:
a) 7.5 (if pressed 7)
b) 9
c) 9
d) 7
e) 3
f) 4
g) 7.5 (Can’t help it. She’s hotter than a 7 but really not my type. Fragile ingenue waif to the max. If pressed, 8.)
h) 6
i) 2
J) 4
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I was trying to be objective above. Given my particular tastes of what the pic tells me about the personality, re: my two 7.5’s above, I’d pick a) over g), even though if pressed I said I’d single digit them in reverse that order.
I could imagine being happy in a fling or more with a), but not with g).
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Are C and D the same girl at different ages?
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scary frank you may be right.
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Some random thoughts:
Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder but attraction is. The two are related but far from perfectly so. While a woman’s face is still her fortune, the actual value seems to vary from man to man.
I know I will get beta-slammed for this, but here we go…
While I doubt any would consider number 5/e (red beret and glasses) beautiful and few would even consider her quirkily attractive, [here comes the beta bit] I think she looks nice. She (looks aside) would probably be good girlfriend material. She is not really ugly, just not very attractive. Something in her smile or eyes makes me draw that conclusion – cannot really explain it. She is probably the female equivalent of the classic beta male. She is almost there, but not quite. The female “good guy” who just can’t quite crack it.
What is it about number 3 that hits people’s buttons? Is it that she represents some pre-slut-era femininity (I am assuming it is an older photo)?
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PA —
I’m not at all sure they’re fake. Only reason I’d think so is they are big for her frame but not clearly artificially so. I like regardless. I do think she’s slightly below french fry girl (Rain’s mom when young!), though I rated them both a 9.
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I think it’s more likely that i and j are the same person at different ages.
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PA,
Bottle Chick (#2) rates a pump and dump? Damn, that’s hardcore. To me, she’s very much girlfriend material (with one reservation below). A rare combo really – the chick that combines girl next door looks in the face with a smoking and hyperbangable body.
As to the boobjob, she might have gone a little bit too far for her frame. Hard to say for sure. But whatever, I could definitely live with such a “mistake.”
My problem with falsies is not the result itself. Actually, I tend to prefer them – an ill spent youth of dating strippers made me a fan. It’s just that the knowledge that it was done makes my slut radar to go off, causing me to add about thirty notches on the Dick Curve. Not a great omen for girlfriend material.
Proceed with caution, but proceed nonetheless.
As to the Evil Easter Egg, if it’s what I think it is, it is indeed evil – and a cautionary tale. I shall refrain from further comment, other than to say: major buzz kill, man.
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I think g) (green eyes touching her collar bone). I think she can be objectively rated from a 7 to a 9, though the 9 is stretch. Within that range she’s a Rorschach test as to personality type you prefer. She’s screamingly obviously a type.
She’s tiny. 5’3 at most, more likely 5’2, and about 90 lbs. She expects to be catered to big time as a precious little princess. She’s the ingenue waif to the max. Screw her too hard and she’ll cry, and not in a good way.
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Beta files:
Last High School day before “Spring break” meaning lots of 16-19 years old girls in the street tonight. 19:23 and my friends tried to make me go with them downtown.
It’s all perfect, a great place to test game but what will I do?
I will stay at home. Thinking about my ten who does not care a fuck about me and who lives near downtown.
The ten I promised to make her talk with some firends of her she got mad with. Four days still so that it can be possible but I already know I’m gonna fail. I don’t see my ten for seven months and still am paralised by her.
I really do not want to do a thing but I know I should go out with the guys, chasing girls, drinking, having fun just because. But I won’t.
I am not wanting to go bath, I am not wanting to do that depressing thing about chosing clothes even though I have everything set up already for the college party next Friday. I will not miss that. But I will lose the night with more 16-19 years old girls out there paralised by a ten who simply does not care about me.
It sucks to be a beta. Is there anything more depressing?
Can I be the beta of the month? P-L-E-A-S-E! (nothing is more beta than begging)
I have four hours to dinner and put my ass downtown . . . but I most likely will not.
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tuna
Yeah. My thoughts are that you’re letting PC programming rule your thoughts too much still. Call ’em like you feel them man. Otherwise you’re doing affirmative action on who you’d want to bang casual. Which is absurd and oppressive. Black guys can have a different rating, maybe way different. Nothing wrong with that.
However you shouldn’t rate on a marriage scale, but rather a cusual or fling scale seems to me. It’s also a bit, well I’ll just say strange, if you’d rate every black girl a 1 (cause zero isn’t available).
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I’m surprised how much Wool Skirt is penalized for her clothes and hair. Wool Skirt clearly isn’t at the top, but I’d say she’s clearly superior to the last girl on the list.
You are correct. Better clothing and hairstyle, and she’d improve quite a bit. Losing about 20 pounds would help even more. She’ll never be a ten, but I could see her venturing into 7 territory.
As to the Evil Easter Egg, if it’s what I think it is, it is indeed evil – and a cautionary tale. I shall refrain from further comment, other than to say: major buzz kill, man.
So you’re saying that the Easter Egg is not Rain And’s mom as french fry girl?
Peter
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OK, the boobs blinded my judgment. I gave the sake blonde a 10.
“7” is my default ranking when I see an attractive woman and I’m too lazy to analyze her further. I saw 5 of what I would consider sevens in this series.
Unlike last time, this is somewhat of a validation to the “eye of the beholder” types because the voting in the upper range is much more spread out. Personal preference like race, hair style and type of clothes will come more into play because of the small gap in inherent attractiveness.
My rankings for the record:
Blonde Sake
Pale girl
Black girl with glasses
NYC model (her second picture was much better)
RainAnd’s mom
Asian girl
Blonde in black dress
Red Beret
Flannel skirt
Redhead with glasses
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Part that will blow your mind. When you wake up in the morning with a she will still look like that.
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no C and D are different women. they look close in age in those two pics and its obvious that one is taken 20 years before the other.
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Virgin:
He can’t make you Beta of the Month because instead, you are O M E G A of the Year.
Get a fucking grip and get over that chick. Take illicit drugs for a while until you get over her if you have to. You sad sack of shit. (I say that in a tough love kind of way)
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While I doubt any would consider number 5/e (red beret and glasses) beautiful and few would even consider her quirkily attractive, [here comes the beta bit] I think she looks nice. She (looks aside) would probably be good girlfriend material.
At the risk of sounding Beta, I pretty much agree with you. A few extra pounds and the slightly askew glasses detract from her appearance, but she’s really not all that bad.
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I think it’s more likely that i and j are the same person at different ages.
Dunno. J’s lower lip is much thicker than I’s. As far as I know, lip thickness is not the sort of characteristic that changes much with age. However – I’s wide smile might make her lower lip appear thinner than it really is.
Peter
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Natural, uenhanced beauty beats fake boobs. Rain And’s mom wins.
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BTW, reversing this, I would bet that a lot of black guys will give that black chick between 7 and 8.
And miss green eyed tiny girl g) will probably be the white girl they most disagree with the white guy concensus here. I’d bet many will give her a 6 and none higher than a 7, while some white guys will give her a 9 or even 10. Reason why is that black guys tend to like robust looking lusty wenches, while a substantial subset of white guys likes “beautiful” fragile little china dolls (especially if they’re white).
I haven’t yet read through enough of the comments to see what any black guys have said.
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Mikkel —
I gave Rain And’s mom the edge too. She also looks like a lot more fun. No nervousness in her about being photographed. She’s confidently eating it up. I’d definitely target her over big boobs, whether they’re fake or not. But they’re the two hottest.
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Wonka correctly pointed out:
Yeah, women who run out and get their boobs blown up so they can show them off always turn out to be real wallflowers.
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Well does she look happy?
Doesn’t look happy to me.
I looked in the Female Photo Submissions, and found the following exhibitionist posed pictures:

She looks uncomfortable.
Now here are two relatively happy pictures:

Happy, fully covered, with sunglasses covering eyes and arms crossed over body.
She may have serious self-image issues, or maybe her stock trader boyfriend made her get the implants. Or maybe they are natural, and have caused the self-image issues.
The problem is an exhibitionist should be happy to have their picture taken.
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Matched on E, F, I, and J.
I gave D a 6, you all said 9.
G was a 5 for me, I cannot believe you all said 10. I need a better shot of the body I guess. She looks like a stick figure in that pic, yuck.
I gave H an 8, you said 5, but I like the pretty dark meat. More than the Asians, actually – I gave A a 7 to your 6.
I gave C a 9, something about her I really liked. Voters said 7.
B is a fuck goddess with sweet tits and probably illegal. TEN.
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PA
Yeah. She looks like a high T slut bitch to me. A choosy, but goes out and gets them kind of slut. Only doable if she’s drunk or otherwise high. Then pump and dump, immediately, for sure.
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HELP
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WHAT IS A GNP!??!?!?
gross nasty pussy? is the best guess Ican come up with
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With the benefit of those additional pictures I proclaim sake-girl to be a solid 7 in most environments, and an 8 in that sweet clingy black dress.
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Ryder
Bottle Chick (#2) rates a pump and dump? Damn, that’s hardcore.
There is a chance she’s a sweetheart, in which case I take back what I said earlier. But the booze, the apparent fake boobs, and somethign about her expression says “slut ingenue.”
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“She may have serious self-image issues, or maybe her stock trader boyfriend made her get the implants. Or maybe they are natural, and have caused the self-image issues.”
I’m never comfortable with the “her boyfriend made her do it” defense of women with implants. True, many guys push for their wife/girlfriend/fling to get implants for the fun of it, but she’s AGREEING to do so knowing that it’s all about the display. A woman who gets implants is begging to be looked at.
If her boobs are naturally big and make her uncomfortable, why the revealing dress?
Different interpretation of her expression: she’s fucking wasted and fell of her chair after the pic was snapped.
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shot just saw fur smile’s second link and have to say it would raise her from 6 to an 8 for me.. but not above wino or french toothygirl
my bad
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Lurker —
Only a bit, but I LIKED it.
You mean you don’t want a girl to fall adoringly and hopelessly in love with you, so in despair upon losing you that life itself seems not worth living?
OK that last may be a touch over the top, but a) girl don’t take it that far. She looks real fun in bed, and generally fun.
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The blonde is hottest to me in the black number with the sunglasses on. Although there seems to be an overhang around her ass/love handle area.
What’s that all about?
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I’d say i and j are the same person. j is an older picture, I think, due to the hues and overall quality.
If you look at the shape of the smile (especially in the mouth corners), the front teeth, the cheek shapes, they are all very similar. The nose sells it though — bulbous end, not quite straight, weird angle on the left side.
Interesting to me how the younger version rated higher, since she hadn’t let herself go to hell yet.
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I rated j) a 4 both in the rank order and absolutely, just like the poll results.
However, she’s real young which helps her ranking quite a bit. She’s very unlikely to age well. She also looks likely to put on substantial weight.
A lesser beta might well be better of giving wool skirt girl, who got a 3 (but who I rated a 4 in my absolute list), rather than young cutsy but chubby girl, that engagement ring (with pre-nup to follow).
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lynch
That is a truly alarming thought.
I went in the same direction re: the aging of i), but you’re terrifying about it.
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i) has blue eyes j) has brown
no two pictures are of the same person
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the evil trick is to have uggers across the board here…
none on this poll merit above a 7. and even tho I’d hit the blonde first, I honestly think that without the fake boobs and bottled blond, shes’ probably more like a 5, especially with the hint of a vacuous personality there…
so I’d actually put all of the doable girls (whom I rated 6 or above in this poll) on this poll at between 4-6 on a true 1-10 scale.
shnoz and beret undoable under any circumstances, however, the right combo of drinks and illicit substances could work miracles for chipmunk and woolskirt’s attractiveness – esp if they were dressed hardcoreslutted out and no one saw me with them!
PS
I did think race played a factor for me, tho I don’t want it to. maybe it is normal that different race can swing a vote 1-2 points on atractiveness scale.. anyone have thoughts about this?
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dougjnn
Good description.
She looks like the classic look-good-on-my-arm but lie-still-on-my-bed type.
To make it work you would need to be a super-alpha. Alpha enough to keep her around looking good on your arm and alpha enough to get another chick whom you could actually enjoy sex with.
Of course in that case why bother with Ms B list model in the first place?
Thing is, she has a look I often like, but in this case it did not work for me. However, on the beauty scale she is probably up there (symmetry etc.).
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No, they both have blue eyes, just different lighting. Same woman.
Shame, too; the older woman has a lot going for her, sans about fifty pounds.
Clear skin, pretty eyes. Though one supposes she’s not on the meat-market and thus doesn’t worry about it much anymore.
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The G Manifesto
The quoted and the rest of it. Great game tips by way of screenplay.
A true public service.
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I Refuse to vote on the last one.
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Chuck
“i) has blue eyes j) has brown
no two pictures are of the same person”
if j has brown eyes, you should probably check your monitor or hit up the eye doctor with a quickness. I
checked the hues in photoshop (I cannot believe I am going this far wtf) and they come out greenish. Given the faded and aged quality of that photograph, and that the overall picture has a green tint (white walls are greenish, white light from outside is light green) I submit that her eyes are actually blue.
I don’t think it was ever stated that each person was only featured once, just that one must not use a rating more than once.
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“dougjnn
Lurker –
Even though #1 is cute, anyone else get the “M. Butterfly” vibe?
Only a bit, but I LIKED it.
You mean you don’t want a girl to fall adoringly and hopelessly in love with you, so in despair upon losing you that life itself seems not worth living?
OK that last may be a touch over the top, but a) girl don’t take it that far. She looks real fun in bed, and generally fun.”
dougjnn, I said “M. Butterfly,” not “Madame Butterfly.”
You might want to look it up. I was saying she kinda maybe might have (or once had) a twig and berries under that kimono.
Just saying.
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dougjnn
::
good response,
I’ve seen hot black girls, but never dated or swooped one, first girl I made out with at 12 was asian, but super slutty (for a 14 yr old) too. Only asian i nailed happened to have real Ds – rare i know. Got to have the T& A and tone for me to be into it on a sexy scale.
you make me think that maybe there should be different scales:
hottness scale
girlfriend scale,
marrying scale,
pump n dump scale and
true beauty scale.
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Chuck,
“(I say that in a tough love kind of way)”
Thank you man. However this is stupidly platonic (I made her know but because she’s blonde I don’t think if she understood) and everybody suspects but I ain’t telling a word.
Really, you should see how I treat my male friends whith this kind of problems, usually girls they like but have broke with them.
Then I remembered why I frequent here: MAN THE FUCK UP!
I’ll go out to night and I’ll find your advice: I’ll drink and smoke like if I had no soul, I will spent $50 tonight just for my homies in bars. I’ll try to practice some kind of rudimentar proto-game, and, if someone offers me, I’ll do some light drugs 😉
“can’t make you Beta of the Month because instead, you are O M E G A of the Year.”
Not O M E G A yet. Just naive and really loving in silent. That’s Beta, not O M E G A.
Last time I went out I got a 8~9 very hot Brazilian touching my chest and wispering to my hear “do you want me to make you feel better?” after I had offered her a cigarette. I am so beta that I said, “no I’m fine” not understanding what she wanted, while I was entretained looking to the biggest 10 on the club dancing.
I have this thing that blinds me when I see a ten. And I usually do not have 8s considering me. That’s as rare as the U.S.A. not being in war.
MAN THE FUCK UP
Man the fuck up.
But I will use some kind of tight proto-game next friday with the college girls and I’ll report the results. Nat that anyone cares ‘still it’s just what I can contribute to.
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you guys may actually have a point…i and j may be the same…the nose sells it a little, but the teeth are really similar
i wonder which reader it is
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BTW, of all these girls, I’d pick the fur coat girl that he tells us is a non top string model, as the most likely slut. Real likely too, before I knew she was a model. There’s a real hardness to her, and it’s not focused on quantum physics.
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Ok G, you’re normally a little heavy on the swagger and the bragging, but today it’s over the top. What’s up?
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Default User–
You are thoroughly delusional, but in some way’s that’s fortunate for you. e) gets a rank order 2 here which I agree with, and I gave her an absolute 3. The most anyone could possibly reasonably argue for is a 4, or the strength of her not being VERY fat, though older.
But hey, be happy. You’re easily pleased. BTW what are you doing here? Surely you’re not here because you can’t even get girls like e)?
Please, tell me not.
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This is not a good test, because his instructions blur the difference between beauty, attractiveness, and hotness (which are of course not mutually exclusive).
To me 2, 3, and 8 are attractive: I’d like to date them. 1 and 4 are hot: great for pumping and dumping. 7 is beautiful, but nothing else.
I agree with dougjnn on his characterization of 4.
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OH MY GOD. I & J do have remarkably similar teeth structure. How could she have let herself go so fucking badly?
The only objection I have right now to their identities is that the texture of their hair doesn’t seem to be the same in both pictures. Magic of haircuts, or maybe J is still the vixen I thought she was?
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I looked for a while the young/old pictures with a mind open to the possibility that it was the same person. First of all, I really couldn’t tell and second, so what. If someone wants to confound us with carefully chosen images they can do it.
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I’m amazed you all mostly rated seated lower tier model d) a 9 or second a 10. That’s twisted. She’s a model on the strength of looking like a hard bitten NY and more generally big metro career woman, with sophistication. Yes she’s the “sharpest, most sophisticated” looking. So what?
She’s absolutely maximum an aging 8, and more properly a 7, but her attractiveness to me is as a bitch 6. She looks most like big round mouthed a) in his prior iteration of this, and they are probably both slut bitches, though round mouth looks like more fun and way better in bed. d) here will fight hard to direct your every move for her personal satisfaction, thereby derriving far less than if she’d leave the driving to me. Taking the stearing wheel would be an epic battle, and not worth it, except when you’re both stranded on a desert isle.
I’m wondering if a bunch of you really want a dominatrix?
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I think I’ve got the Easter Egg. I’ll wait a few more hours to post it. Some people here already have part of it.
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It would be interesting to compare an unconstrained vote with the current system.
Perhaps for a future contest the voter could make two choices: one on the each-number-used-only-once scale and another based on the voter’s true estimate. Ideally the voter would first go through each lady and select his preferred rating and then go back and use the CH scale.
For example, there could be two sets of radio buttons for each scale and then a single vote button for when both choices have been made.
The results could then be displayed side-by-side for easy comparison.
I would guess there would be a noticeable if not large deviation, particularly for two or three of the women. There might even be the occasional lady with a two plus point difference.
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wtf lurker if thats a dude i am coming home early lol
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i’ll 2nd h being kthul
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dougjnn @4.49
I was not talking about her looks. She does nothing for me in that department. I would not hit on her, chase her, or write sappy love poems to her. In short I would have no interest sexually.
However, she does look like the quirky type that can be fun. When I said “nice,” I meant nice person, someone you could enjoy working or talking with.
If the dating gods gave me one last date, guaranteed not to end with sex then she would probably be more fun than Ms. hardassed model.
No matter how beautiful the woman you will need to make some connection. Maybe others are different, but I cannot be the detached seducer, running routines with little involvement. I want to enjoy the seduction and I want her to enjoy the seduction. That means that “personality” is part of attraction. Maybe the more practiced PUAs are able to cold-seduce the hottie, just to get another notch. I cannot do that. Her hot looks will get me in the game, but the ice-maiden better warm up quick or I am out of there.
I understand that such musings were not really the point of the post. That is why I put them under “random thoughts.”
Let your mind be at ease. I would not bang her. I am not that desperate (not really desperate at all). The women I have scored have probably been around 7 (they did it for me, most men would call them attractive, even if not their type). No fives or below. No pity, joke, drunk, or hope-my-friends-don’t-see fucks ever.
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Aw, hell, everyone’s already posting it anyway…
C & D are the same person with a good 15-20 yr gap in between. ALSO I & J.
C & D are a lock. Look at the ear. Photo C was likely taken in the ’80s, just judging from some of the colors in that admittedly washed-out photo.
I & J: Like other people say, the teeth. Also compare the fleshy part of the nose and position and shape of the cheekbones.
I think the strange lighting/poor processing in J explains the eye and hair color. (And it’s eminently possible that by the time photo I is taken, she adds something in thw shower to “bring out her naturally red hair”) She might have been in love with the photographer in J — look at the size of those fukken pupils.
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I’m not sure C & D are the same. D has a hanging lobe, C does not. D has a bit of a notch in the outer ear flap, C does not.
I and J are more plausible, although J looks like a cellphone camera photo and that technology didn’t exist 20 years ago.
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omw
She also evidently doesn’t worry much about making her husband happy, sack wise, on his arm wise, or just visual environment wise.
He’s a stronger man than I if he can get it up for j). I’d need TWO high strength V tabs and some prep time with let’s just say “net images” to have a prayer at managing it. And I’m no young’un.
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Ooops. I said j) immediately above when I had in mind the much older i), perhaps the older version j) (shudder).
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Why ch? Why?
I favor the old list too many 3’s on this shit.
Anyway,Clearly the chick with the fur coat is the only ten.
And the young blonde girl, could get it. Nice rack.
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Gen’l Butt Naked–
You mean Rain And’s mom is a lower tier NYC model, who I’ve called a hard bitten bitch slut, who does look sharp and sophisticated?
Lord I hope not. I like Rain And.
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Girl “g” looks a bit like a very young, more refined Melissa Joan Hart.
Black girl “h” has a somewhat caucasian – style nose, boosting her score.
I’ve had the yellow fever, but “a” would rank no higher on an asians-only list (6 is about right).
I’m surprised by the number of 8,9,10’s for her.
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I gave the “9” to (c). Too many busted faces in this group. I found myself having to go back and move all my estimates up one to find room in the middle and bottom for these lookers.
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de Tocqueville has a good point. If your theory about male beauty-judging is correct, allowing people to vote the same number more than once might actually tighten the distribution of the bell curves around respective women.
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Gooch —
You’re right about the earlobes. D has them, C doesn’t. I completely missed that, I was concentrating on the outside part — I dunno what you call them… channels? … which are quite similar.
I’m not sure if that sinks my hypothesis or not. Woman D is clearly a model. It’s not inconceivable that a model, born without earlobes, might have a small bit of plastic surgery, the better to display earrings.
Who is Rain And — a commenter here?
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Is that Bridgegirl eating the french fry?
I rated her a nine…………………..her face is quite cute, even in that polaroid shot. My tastes are a little different than some others. I like the “wholesome” thing (probably because Ive been with so many sleazy chicks in my day–LOL).
I fucked up (and only breezily read the instructions) and rated the red-headed fairly-homely woman (who might be a genuinely nice person and all) a 10 at first and hit the vote button, and couldn’t take it back.
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D the earing is pulling it down.
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Theory: C Manifesto kicks it up a notch by switching to G Manifesto.
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Bhetti —
How are your fledgling beta beta conversion efforts coming along?
Are they?
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Gen’l Butt Naked
Yuupers.
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Now that I look at it C and D do seem like the same person. But the younger version has longer ears, well it atleast appears that way.
Also i think the easter egg is either on what Gooch said,
“Easter Egg:
(h) is Kthulah, one of the posters here.” ROFL
OR
That I and J are the same person. If so, aging for a women is more cut trhoat than I though…
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Yup. I judged them relative to each other. It’s a very good point he made, so I did my best to emphasize it.
Most women only get one chance to be sexually attractive, and that lasts from 16-24 at best.
But seriously, omw, you could take 75 pounds off her and she’d still look mannish. This is one of the biggest reasons women age poorly: both men and women gain more masculine characteristics with age.
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Nah Gunslinger. That’s not me. I’m 38 now, and when I was 18, I wasn’t that cute. I was just extremely chesty.
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The eyes and glasses oh well.
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These were much harder to score.
I thought the black girl was cuter than most, which is odd considering I am pretty racist when it comes to girls.
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Rain and’s mom is a solid 8+. She gets the + for her feminine expression.
Fur coat girl’s a 9. She looks very stately — like she wants it in the ass. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if she’s from Eastern Europe.
The others are all blah.
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“An interesting thing is big boobed blonde probably gets a point or two for looking extra petite. That photo is all kinds of wrong. Look at the size of the girl compared the size of the sake bottle.”
Dude that is the first thing I thought.
g) has some giant saucer eyes with the demure smile.
I am scared of the Easter egg… this may be like a Tucker Max moment..
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…. or some are illegally young….
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well this time it was ridiculously easy.
the first one might just be a man.
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Kthulah, you were pretty cute! Nice smile. Where-ever did you dredge up that date?? lol.
(and my god, it has been forever since I’ve seen anyone wearing white hose! Now I have a strange hankering to bust out some white hose. With navy pumps! ha!)
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Dang, K, that read a lot bitchier on the screen than I meant it. Sorry.
Blame the Bordeaux, angel.
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dougjnn: I don’t move that fast! I’m currently pessimistic and current allergic to being anywhere near men. E.g. of my thinking: If a lesser beta won’t make simple, measly changes then what chance would someone with vague backbone would of changing? Look at how stubborn DA is, look at how stubborn people are in just all their thoughts, actions and attitudes. I have tried and betas just don’t get that being a man (i.e. stable, confident, self-improving, independent, taking action) is much more important than the right shade of rose that shows just how much you care (about having a female for yourself — even though you’re fat/uneducated… etc. DA encapsulates bad beta attitude exactly: the guy is just not WILLING TO DO ANYTHING or IMPROVE HIMSELF. He will simply swim in the sea of his pessimistic self-pity while trying everything besides the obvious). I think Sara often calls game manipulative: going to the gym and being confident improves a guy in himself as well as in the dating scene BUT how does buying beautiful ickle presents, analysing each other’s emotions and composing love notes NOT exclusively focused on pure manipulation of emotion? How is not manipulative to hide the pure desire for sex behind a Valentine’s day card? It’s for a man’s personal gains: he wants affection and attention for nothing but empty gestures and easy gifts. It really just means nothing if he’s not man enough to… be a man for you. I don’t think women are fooled by the ultimate goal of PUAs: sex, and these women want it too. PUA’s much less likely to chain you to him with falsehoods about his affection.
I’m just focusing on improving myself and getting over the fear of being looked at — nevermind touched — by one of the male species. I’ve always toned down my looks and attitude to prevent attracting male attention; the cost in muslim country culture/religion/society too high. Had to be a mix of aggressive, intimidating & masculine to keep them away. I’m not even easy casting this defensiveness off with British society — again, the standards are the same: spend one minute alone with a male and you’re automatically with him — be a bit friendly and you’re overestimated. It’s even more difficult protecting a reputation in such a society because speculation is viewed as a harmless activity. I have also learned that some men are desperate enough that even cigstache would do so might as well have a chance at attracting the RIGHT attention.
Anyway, rant over. Summary: doing things but no way in hell am I going near a beta anytime soon. I’ve told my roomate this: ‘No more “nice” guys!’ (Beta would take too much explanation) ‘Well, ok… just don’t bring any of the bikers in here.’
Sure an Arab/muslim doctor > engineer won’t do? My medical school attracts the sports types a lot and multiethnic ones too.
I’m a pessimistic person: I try to recognise when my thoughts are pessimistic and adjust, but having the feelings disappear with them is a bit more difficult. Always improving, though!
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OMW its not kthul
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Bhetti who said they would do cigstash lol
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Kthulah: My God, you were prettier than the girl up there and I think a lot of my black friends are prettier as well. But that’s just my perspective. I don’t really view prettiness as a compliment, but… it seems blatantly obvious to me.
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“Yeah. She looks like a high T slut bitch to me. A choosy, but goes out and gets them kind of slut. Only doable if she’s drunk or otherwise high. Then pump and dump, immediately, for sure.”
I’m sexually attracted into these hardass bitchy type girls. I have no idea why. I know they are horrible for any kind of relationship, but I want to bang the shit out of them.
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Gunslinger: guys can be male versions of cigstaches too. Like someone said at some point, sneezing has to happen…
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OMW, thank you for the compliment. 🙂 I was kind of “boy cute” back then…but you see what I meant about the pixie hair length. It says, “I will EAT YOUR SOUL,” not, “I will have your babies.”
The date was my first fiance. I always preferred the older boyscout type who used to blow things up for amusement in his teens, and knows how to dress a deer. In the ’80s when so many other guys were finding their feminine side, he was the shining, mixed French and Cherokee light, with a rifle.
:: sigh ::
Too bad he ultimately wasn’t ready to settle down. We spoke a few years ago. He’s married to a harpy. So there is some justice in the world. 🙂
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If my first guess about bridgegirl eating the french fry are wrong……………….
A)Im going to guess that either the last two women are actually the same woman may years later (but boy do I hope not), or…………………
B)one of the women photographed is actually a man. Perhaps the model in New York City in the fur or the Asian girl……………….
C)Other than that, the only thing I can guess is that one of the photos is of a poster here at this blog.
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Bhetti
If your beta guy will not take advice from you, you could send him here.
OR just tell him to do a web search on “PUA” or “Game.”
The book The Game is not really a pickup book but could also provide a start. The book describes one man’s journey from omega/beta to some sort of alpha. The story, more than any information contained within, might encourage his drive towards self-improvement.
The Valentine card thing often comes from men in a relationship (i.e., already getting sex). Paying homage to Hallmark is one of those silly little things men need to do to avoid trouble. I know many men do the Valentine stuff because it is important to her. It is important because her friends see it and so it raises her status (and that is a nice thing to do).
Of course all of this is really about the true love of your life, your sweetie, the one that you pine for, the one we call TJF.
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What exactly gets a comment stuck in moderation? URLs?
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DA encapsulates bad beta attitude exactly: the guy is just not WILLING TO DO ANYTHING or IMPROVE HIMSELF. He will simply swim in the sea of his pessimistic self-pity while trying everything besides the obvious
You mentioned my name, and now I’m obliged to respond! 🙂
It’s much, much easier to sit around in my room and do nothing than to go out and do something. It’s much easier to go jerk off between 3 and 6 AM in the morning than to go out and go to bars or clubs and attempt to meet women. It’s much easier to sit and read Wikipedia articles in foreign languages to learn about trains than to look for stuff to do or even call up a friend and propose an activity. In other words, even if one discounts a stubborn world view, it’s still so much easier to stay David Alexander than to change and become different. It’s rather comfortable in my warm shell, and I guess I’m willing to wait forever for the “perfect” ideal conditions to leave it.
I’ll take the bait, Bhetti. What do you think I should do to improve?
I’m sexually attracted into these hardass bitchy type girls. I have no idea why. I know they are horrible for any kind of relationship, but I want to bang the shit out of them.
A subconscious desire to dominate these women, especially if one views hard and aggressive sex as “defiling”.
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For G are we supposed to rate or her or guess her age. Either way, I’m going with 9.
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DA: At the risk of sounding like I’m escaping the question (I’ve already implied in general what I can think makes a better guy), you can judge and know that better than I ever would. Be honest with yourself: exactly what can you change that would make you feel like a better man?
Don’t do it for the women, do it for your self-respect. You’re a conscientious guy; surely you’re motivated to be a man that you can live with, one that can take action if need be for family and friends by being there: finance, health, it all comes into it.
I wish I got the sense that you were content with who you are.
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Where to find 10s who are not celebrities — bartenders.
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Wonder how many years separate I and J?
My guess is fifteen years. Maybe twenty.
Yes, even without the excess weight, she’d look less girlish than she did in her 19-year-old photo. ‘Tis the nature of growing older.
But if she’d look after herself a little better, she could certainly look like an attractive matron instead of becoming one of his PSAs To Disaffected Playboys.
There’s a middle ground between stubbornly refusing to grow old gracefully (Madonna!) and just plain going to pot (Mrs. J!)
Oh, well.
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@Wocka
Haha, you’re right! I had 1 as “ugly asian”, but it could be a ladyboy, which would be an evil easter egg.
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Or wait, is the first woman already a Japanese fembot? Hard to say, but I think that could be the Easter Egg.
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OK, here is another female robot (still Image) :
Also, here is another fembot from just last week. I was not expecting the progress to be this rapid (although the creator could have done a better job on some curves).
Add one of these fembots into the list, and notice how they score higher than most real women.
The first woman looks identical to a Japanest fembot, and maybe that is the Easter Egg.
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Is it because 1 is too perfect?
Except for the eye.
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Tood, evolutionary biologists have already done something like that. The unrealistic constructs rated better in beauty, but not so well in appearing trustworthy.
There’s an important thing missing in a robot or construct, and that is blood. The blush of someone’s skin says alot about their mood, sexual and reproductive readiness…as does the dilation of pupils and such.
So I think it’s more interesting to rate actual women, though I would prefer to see them without makeup, and in natural lighting.
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Kthulah,
Yes, I am aware of the tests. A computer composite image of all the highest-rated features as rated by 1000 men showed a composite face that looked a lot like Christy Turlington.
So Christy Turlington (in her prime) could justifiably claim the title of ‘world’s most universally appealing face’.
But the fact that robotic advances are happening so quickly is certainly going to re-arrange the mix. A robot cannot replace real love, but a robot who is a 10 all the time will certainly cause average men to stop spending their time and money after the 6s and 7s that they currently get.
Only a few percent of women are 9s and 10s. Of those, they are only so highly rated for 15 years out of an 80-year life. Even then, they only look good after they shower and make themselves up, not right after they wake up.
So the supply of beauty is so scarce that the introduction of even a few fembots, affordable to just 2% of men, would still cause a great disruption in the dating power of 6s and 7s.
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Every time I go home I have to look at a ten with no eye. Man life can be fucked up.
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Gunslingergregi,
That is part of it. Also because all fembots so far are Japanese, which this woman clearly is.
I am surprised the Japanese scientists have not made a blonde white fembot yet, given Japanese fetishes for such. I guess they are trying to gain mainstream credibility first before branching off into the ‘sexbot’ market.
A robotic, lifesize ‘Barbie’ could be turning into two SKUs for 1 hardware : a toy for little girls, and a toy for men.
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DA: Maybe you’re using a defense mechanism I use?
Thinking for this: If I get myself in the zone where I believe I’m not attracted to any of the males I meet, then wanting to be with someone isn’t a problem.
Practically: unprepared for when strong undeniable attraction occurs/suppressed loneliness emotions come out, embarrassing disaster ensues.
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“Every time I go home I have to look at a ten with no eye. Man life can be fucked up.”
As opposed to being married to a woman who has declined from an 8 to a 4, and who nags you about something when you get home from work?
Surely an agreeable robotic 10 is better.
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Here are my rankings which do not conform to his standard…
A) No, she’s way too “Asian” for my tastes.
B) Nice body, okay face. She’s not ugly, but she’s not beautiful either. Pretty enough with some nails and makeup.
C) Somehow, since it’s a 1970s photo, all sexuality has been drained, and determining desirability simply fails.
D) Pretty in a upper class sense. In theory, she is doable.
E) Not ugly, so she satisfies the friend test, but fails the sexuality test.
F) Dude with long hair in female-issue clothing.
G) Looks like a kid. No sex.
H) See E.
I) “Bad Motive”
J) Awkward teenager. No sex.
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“Surely an agreeable robotic 10 is better.”
Let me also add that if you have the money, you could even buy 2 or 3 sexbots. No one doesn’t like a bit of variety.
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How could C and D possibly be the same woman?
One picture is 20 years older than the other and those women look similar in age. You guys are way off.
It’s gotta be I and J being the same person, although it’s possible that Red Beret is someone familiar to this board.
Perhaps, the guys in the background of Red Beret are familiar here too?
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Naa my wifes niece is a ten just lost her eye in scooter accident. Still a 10 after having 2 kids now.
I just thank god for asia myself. I couldn’t imagine having to work at being successful (“carreer”,financial) and being in shape and having game to get a nice looking woman that could get me for half and fuck up my life later on.
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“There’s an important thing missing in a robot or construct, and that is blood. The blush of someone’s skin says alot about their mood, sexual and reproductive readiness…as does the dilation of pupils and such.”
All true. But that is why I expect fembots to make a dent in the stripper/hooker market long before they replace anything else.
In a dark strip club, it is hard to see the woman’s blood hue or eyes. It is all about touch, and to a lesser extent, smell. Fembots might put a lot of strip clubs (and their expensive fees) out of business.
Also, making the fembot’s skin such that it pales under pressure, and reddens back upon release, is not that hard.
The size and revenue of the larger Las Vegas, LA, and NY strip clubs also give you some idea of the size and price-point that a stripper-bot needs to hit.
I estimate that a fembot that has real-feeling skin and that can be programmed into a variety of lapdances, if it could hit $50,000 for the end-user, would sell 1,000,000 units. Wealthy men would own one or more privately, while strip clubs will buy others and rent out dances.
1,000,000 X $50,000 = a $50 Billion market. But more than that, the social value of all real women in the 5-8 range will plummet, despite the eyes/blood.
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“There’s an important thing missing in a robot or construct, and that is blood. The blush of someone’s skin says alot about their mood, sexual and reproductive readiness…as does the dilation of pupils and such.”
All true. But that is why I expect fembots to make a dent in the stripper/hooker market long before they replace anything else.
In a dark strip club, it is hard to see the woman’s blood hue or eyes. It is all about touch, and to a lesser extent, smell. Fembots might put a lot of strip clubs (and their expensive fees) out of business.
Also, making the fembot’s skin such that it pales under pressure, and reddens back upon release, is not that hard.
The size and revenue of the larger Las Vegas, LA, and NY strip clubs also give you some idea of the size and price-point that a stripper-bot needs to hit.
I estimate that a fembot that has real-feeling skin and that can be programmed into a variety of lapdances, if it could hit $50,000 for the end-user, would sell 1,000,000 units. Wealthy men would own one or more privately, while strip clubs will buy others and rent out dances.
1,000,000 X $50,000 = a $50 Billion market. But more than that, the social value of all real women in the 5-8 range will plummet, despite the eyes/blood.
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Yea robots prob sell like hotcakes in us. People in the “third world” already get what they need as far as woman go. That’s why they don’t kill themselves working.
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“People in the “third world” already get what they need as far as woman go. That’s why they don’t kill themselves working.”
What? They work 16 hours doing back-breaking labor, in many cases.
Plus, how are they ‘getting what they need’? Sure, the women have better values, but they age just the same. Actually, they put no effort into their looks after they have children.
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Given that we only have face shots for many of the contestants, it only seems fair to judge all of them based on facial beauty, and to ignore (as much as possible) other “assets”. By this standard, (g) is the clear winner; she has nearly perfect facial geometry and flawless skin. Any other perceived qualities (her being young, an ingenue, a cold fish, etc.) are totally irrelevant. This is supposed to be about female beauty, not dateability, bangability, or marriageability.
By the same standard of purely facial beauty, (b) can be no more than the 8. Yes, she has nice (fake) tits, but her face isn’t as nice as that of (g) or (c), and possibly (d).
My theory on the easter egg is that the black woman is a younger Michelle Obama.
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I guess this is a bit mean, but one flaw the Asian girl has is that one eye is a bit cross eyed.
I had a pretty Cantonese roommate in college with eyes like that. I remember finding it slightly off-putting when we looked each other in the eye. It seemed as though one eye wasn’t quite looking at me.
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The woman they have to choose from pretty much all in shape. If they are all in decent shape they tend to look decent. They go and work there asses off save money to go home and chill. They don’t work 16 hour days all year. Ones I see work about twice a year for a period of time. Then odd jobs. Yea someones always working oversees somewhere. The ones back home are chilling for the most part.
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A lot also seem to understand saving money well. They pay off house and some land and chill as well.
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I live in the actual third world not in a city where people from the country go to make money to be able to go back home and relax.
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Tood, but there are some things a robot still wouldn’t be able to do, that a live woman can. The main one is to be a different woman.
I suppose one could change models occasionally, and even jack a favorite program into a differently shaped doll, but the variety would still be limited. When the technology reaches the point where it wouldn’t be, then one may as well be with a human woman anyway since robots would be able to learn and be shaped by their experiences.
Would a being who is more beautiful than you, smarter than you, and basically immortal rather stay with you, or go with an owner who is more capable of supplying its needs?
…or perhaps another robot?
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Probably a lot of social stigma attached to fucking robots. Although not quite as bad as me trying to make sepuku more socially acceptable.
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“Tood, but there are some things a robot still wouldn’t be able to do, that a live woman can. ”
True. But some of these are bad things like nag, take to divorce court, or throw a screaming fit. A robot, thankfully, could not do these things.
Remember that men who are spending all their time and money after 6s and 7s could readily get a 10 fembot. The market is not men who are already getting 10s. The market is men who are straining themselves even to get 6s and 7s.
“Would a being who is more beautiful than you, smarter than you, and basically immortal rather stay with you, or go with an owner who is more capable of supplying its needs?
…or perhaps another robot?”
Well, that is why humanity will be obsolete by about 2060-65. The only question is, will it be voluntary (merger with technology) or involuntary (displacement).
Humans will be obsolite. But women will be obsolete sooner than men.
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I don’t get the sexbot thing other than a fun novelty. The best thing about sex is a real live woman letting you see her naked, touch her, kiss her, and have sex with her. It’s also part of the fun when she sees your massive schlong, touches you, … you get the idea.
I suppose I’d unload into a sexbot for fun, but absent a real woman, an old-fashioned wanking is easier and more simple. Plus this way, there are no interlocking polymer components to disassemble and clean.
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There used to be alot of stigma attached to masturbation too. Doing robots would be the same as masturbation, and probably not looked down on too much once they were more widely available.
My hope would be that they were at least responsive enough to serve as good training tools.
In some ways, I view AI as one of the ways that man will be surpassed. Artificial intelligence means that compatible intelligence will come with it, and I think I might enjoy being a cyborg. My flesh will die someday, and brains have limited function. I wonder how my creativity would be enhanced if I could access any and all recorded information just by wanting it.
That would rock 🙂
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MOAR CIGSTACHE!!#!
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See what happens ladies when a man can’t get decent ass at a decent price. He tries to figure out how to make woman obsolete lol
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Gunslinger, the irony is that the fate of mankind is shared across the genders…currently anyway.
I wonder what kind of a mother a robot would be.
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The only problem is most people could have access to all the information in the world but couldn’t do shit with it.
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I think the technology should be used to allow a culture that doesn’t work much and enjoys each others company to be rich and not work much and enjoy each others company before they get brainwashed by media. They are already at the point where they can enjoy chill time. Not at the point where they need to always be working to be alive. At least that is what I will try to use it for. See if it works out. I believe Utopia is possible but we shall see. I’ll probably just end up fucking it up but maybe not. A shitload of jobs we have now can already be replaced. The problem is in replacing them wtf are people gonna do. Now if people already understand chilling and family they are actually ripe for technollogy to do it for them. I think.
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I don’t get the sexbot thing other than a fun novelty. The best thing about sex is a real live woman letting you see her naked, touch her, kiss her, and have sex with her. It’s also part of the fun when she sees your massive schlong, touches you, … you get the idea.
PA, your presumptions generally revolve around the theory that the male in question is an alpha male. In contrast, no woman really wants to let a beta male have sex with them, and for most beta males, the only way that they’ll ever feel desired is when AI develops a sex robot that can mimic a woman’s desire for an alpha, but direct such desires toward a beta male.
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Another easter egg contender: (g) – the highest rated (and a model) – is probably born around 1992, confirming that female beauty peaks early.
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Tood, but there are some things a robot still wouldn’t be able to do, that a live woman can. The main one is to be a different woman.
It’s possible that the robots will be rented and swapped around similar to Netflix.
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God I don’t get how people rated the asian chick so high, I didn’t even notice that it was the eye at first but something was distinctly off putting. I rated her a 3 at first without even knowing why, then re-evaluated and realized it was because of the eye. I ended up raising her to a 4 because the bottom 3 were pretty clear.
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There are NO “10s” on this list. I can’t believe how many 10 votes they got. I take that back. Actually, I can totally believe it. Guys go gaga over average chicks all the time. Just because a chick doesn’t have an obvious deformity doesn’t mean she’s “hot”. These women top out at 7 (no’s 2 and 4). It must be rough where you guys live.
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it’s pretty funny how 1-5 lined up so easy. i got to (i) and nearly choked on my drink.
the pplz choices for 9 & 10 (b & g respectively) are pretty weak. you did say it was a scaled test tho…
and what’s with all the white girls? not only is a non-white 8-9-10 better than a white 8-9-10, but from the list one might get the impression that white females have the best concentration of looks… that’s silly; the avg. white woman < avg. woman of any other race.
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“a non-white 8-9-10 better than a white 8-9-10”
Interesting. In a way, I think I agree with this in a lot of ways. Maybe it’s because I see more caucasian 8s-9s-10s plastered over media?
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also, rain and’s mother looks better with each look- something i can’t say about the others… something about that look. like to see her wearing something better + a blindfold.
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party:
i don’t think so… hilary duff and scarlett johansson are real nice, amongst others. maybe the modern western culture that promotes a sedentary lifestyle but not the concordantly restricted diet has had the biggest impact on white people.
for real though, the eyebrow chick (d- fur smile) has a pretty weak face. and not only will she not age well (who does) but she looks like she will age soon…
interestingly when my friends and i talk 10-scales we usually, to avoid confusion, preface the conversation by deciding whether the list is going to include every female on the planet or start at the do-ables.
i.e. is 1 the real troll-like battle-axe, or the least impressive female we would consider? the latter definitely seems to be the more useful, because the former seems to be pretty slippery considering you might see an uglier person any day now.
even when we don’t say it, isn’t this functionally what we do, starting at say 6 or 7?
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i mean imo, middle-of-the-road, okay-ish, girl-next-door, good-looking-in-an-avg-kinda-way a la the girl in “the office” was always a 7. if you said a girl was a 5- the numerical “middle”- it seemed like an insult.
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Black women are the least attractive. While we see hot ones on TV, in real life, I have almost never, ever seen one. About 80% of black women are overweight. Their palms are rough too for some reason.
Mexican Aztec women are ugly too. No feminine figure whatsoever.
White women who are not fat are nice. They have nice asses. But their skin ages at a shockingly early age.
Asian women can be good, provided their asses are proper and their legs not too short (these are the main 2 flaws with Asian women).
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The Asian girl is ass compared to her sisters in Korea. This girl wouldn’t get past the bouncers at the better clubs in Seoul. But here in DC I suppose she would fare better. In the desert a Ritz cracker is a feast.
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yeh the asian here is no good and black chicks can be nice if they don’t seem to “manly”, if you know what i mean XD
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in fact i can’t ever recall having seen a black female i could have described as “feminine” or “girlish” by any standard of measure (and no, “raw feminine sensuality” doesn’t qualify because it’s a euphemism for being a whore… subtle, gentle, nice, innocent… these are the buzzwords)
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i mean imo, middle-of-the-road, okay-ish, girl-next-door, good-looking-in-an-avg-kinda-way a la the girl in “the office” was always a 7. if you said a girl was a 5- the numerical “middle”- it seemed like an insult.
10 is good for fingers but it’s an unnatural base for the brain. Humans are capable of counting 5-7 objects at the briefest glance. You can keep perfect intuitive track of count up to 5-7, after that it turns abstract. When asked to estimate something 1-10, people will fit 5-7 ranks at the top and won’t make serious distinctions between the lowest ranks, so that 1, 2, 3 are the same and 5 seems only barely above the worst even if it’s the “numerically average”.
Where I’m from school grades run from 4 to 10, since they noticed that in 1-10 scales functionally 7 always turns into the “average” grade and no one will make serious distinctions at the low end.
No matter the subject you end up with 7 = average, 6 = worse than average, 8 = better than average, 5 = awful, 9 = awesome, 1-4 = FAIL, 10 = perfect
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b) “wino” – 8.5
a) “asian girl” – 8. Could be 8.5 with a nice body.
e) “french fry” – 7.5. Same rating as d), but given a choice between them, I would instantly choose this girl. Could be an 8 if her body is nice. Looks very datable also.
d) “fur smile” – I originally rated her an 8, but after looking at her other picture, I want to drop her down to 7.5. It’s tricky, because she might have been prettier when she was younger, and before she got that horrible eyebrow job that so many women seem to think is fashionable. Other guys waaay over-rated her, probably because her style triggers the “hot woman” mental schema. Her face is too angular.
g) “curly haired porcelain girl” – 7.0. Curly hair is a turnoff to me, and also makes her look childish. With straight hair and a decent body, she could be an 8 and I would put her above both fur smile and french fry.
h) “black girl with glasses” – 7.0.
j) “chipmunk” – 6. Come on, guys, she could be totally cute if she lost a bit of weight.
f) “heavy wool skirt” – 5.
e) “schnoz” – 2
i) “red beret” – 3
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Goldoildrugz, if you haven’t seen any, maybe it’s because you didn’t want to…or maybe they concealed that around you.
Quite often, when we are being feminine, we get treated like crap as a reward.
It might not be the best coping mechanism, but it’ll do in a pinch. I went through a girly phase, trying to be more open minded, approachable and friendly. BIG mistake.
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I’m not sure how I came across this blog — but what an amazing snapshot of superficiality! It is one of the times that I hope that aliens from another time and place don’t judge our people and our culture by the standards shown here. In what universe (well, some of yours I guess) is it a relevant past time to view pictures of women and rate and discuss them as if they have anything to do with “value”? If you really had social norms research on your mind you would post pictures of men and also comment upon them — not forgetting to use perjorative (look it up) language such as “cows”, “walrus”, etc., as is used to describe the women. I’ve often thought the internet is such a wondrous place with all it has to offer — but obviously it has its downside (really, really, down). My guess is that the IQ levels of the commenters here are well below 100. Wish someone would test that out. Wow! What a waste of your time? Can’t you find something better to do?
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Ok, I went out and got drunk tonight, and NOW I see the 8 through 10s.
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Mikkel:
I thought something along these lines too, but in my case it was that she was actually a computer generated image. Which still wouldn’t surprise me at all.
InterestedParty:
Read the post. Then comment. Maybe, in the future, it’ll stop you from looking like a complete retard. That said, I don’t disagree that there are no real 10s on this list, but you picked the 3rd and 4th best looking girls posted as your 2 best, which combined with your lack of reading comprehension makes your opinion worthless.
goldoildrugz:
At the same time, is there any way you’d describe a chick you banged as anything less than a 6? Of course there are a vast number of unbangable girls in the world, but that’s exactly why we have the lower half of the scale. If a 1 is the ugliest chick you’d hit, how would you categorize the large majority of women that are completely unfuckable? The 1-10 scale has to encompass all women, even those you wouldn’t touch with a 10-foot pole.
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#1 is a man.
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Just wanted to say that this system of voting is absurd.
How do you want me to look to ten photos and put them in order? I mean, if I could “replace” the order of the photos I would know which photos please me most easily, but, like this??
I just voted the ten girl because the rest was too hard. I voted in the green eyed girl.
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I submit that if you look at the right eye on j and look at the far left portion of that eye, you can see that her eyes are light, most likely blue.
I and J are one and the same.
C and D are not the same. The age difference would be too great. If you look at C’s shirt, you’re looking at a 50’s or 60’s girl in her teens, meaning that by the time she hits 1990 (what I suspect is the absolute earliest fur coat’s picture could be have been taken) she’s at least in her mid 40’s. D isn’t all that great in my mind, but she’s not in her mid 40s.
In my mind, it’s not much of a loss. I is clearly the 1 in the bunch, but J is only a couple of notches better, at best.
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Rain And —
We agree totally down the line after I adjusted my score realizing that green eyes (your Kursten Dunst in young teen) was in fact a young teen rather than a perpetual and mirco ingenue. Except for one thing. I flipped China doll over your furry cougar. Who’s not all that even though she’s a MODEL (second tier) and is wearing an expensive and ok pretty sharp jacket. I mean look at those chipmunk cheeks on a thin girl!
Hey I’d like to see your mom dressed to the 9s, or even the 8’s instead of that peasant wear from her yuth. If she was, hell even as is, and maybe as has become, you’d better take a care to keep me from her Rain! Just sayin.
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MODEL (make that dregs tier). Second tier my ass. That’s what her friends say.
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My grades for each woman are relative only to the other women on the list.
Asian girl = 6 (6 in the larger world)
Sake girl = 7 (6 in the real world; being a straight chick, I can look past the bleach, fake tits and tan, to note the exceedingly generic face)
Rain And’s mom = 8 (real world 7, maybe an 8; would have to see other pics)
Furry model = 9 (RW 8)
Red beret = 2 (RW 4)
Wool skirt = 3 (RW 5)
Dollface = 10 (RW 8)
Chocolate fry = 5 (RW 6)
Schnoz = 1 (RW 3)
Chipmunk cheeks = 4 (RW 6)
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“I’m 38 now, and when I was 18, I wasn’t that cute. I was just extremely chesty.”
Kitulha, don’t be so harsh on yourself.
I find your 18years old photo above average and quiet cute (for a black girl). Between you and the black girl chose the quality is almost the same for me.
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Damned sneaky emoticons. I meant to say that neither the model nor the babydoll would rank higher than an 8 on my scale, if judged in a vacuum.
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Are U Kidding
I know you are probably trolling (angry trolling women can be so cute) but I will answer anyway, just for fun.
You have obviously not read the comments on beta losers. The blogger and commenters here are at least as hard on beta man.
Men and women are judged differently. It is not a double standard, it is a different standard. Women are judged by their looks, men by their alphaness (things like confidence, ability to lead, willingness to take risk, and social skills).
I would expect that pictures of men chosen by women would fall into a similar spread. However, in the real world the winners and losers would look different. I would guess that many women would choose the aging, balding and graying Sean Connery over the “beautiful” and youthful Leonardo DiCaprio.
I guess that the IQ range here populates the right side of the bell curve (look it up). By the way, the word is “pejorative.” I did look it up. 🙂
Can’t you find something better to do?
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Rain And–
I just scurried over to IMDB and looked up Kirsten in Interview with the Vampire and….Holy Shiit. Kirsten Dundst is only 12 in that move!!! And probably only 11 during the shooting of parts of it — but they do the publicity shots after usually so 12 in the photo.
Oh my god!! I could see possibly being as low as an extraordinary 14, once I started seeing her like that, but 12??!!
How do you know that’s her Rain? Are you sure that shot was for that movie instead of later?
And there I was devining how eager to be seduced and easy she looks figuring she’s 17 or maybe possibly 16, but being all moral about how I wouldn’t do it on a sort term and bye basis to such a young and innocent girl, even in places it was legal, cause I’ve got a heat and I wouldn’t to mess hers.
And she now seems to be 12!!
RAIN. Are you sure??
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Any unpublished authors or ex-authors who received a rejection of their books recently should know that sales for adult books in America were down about 9% from 2007 to 2008 according to The Association of American Publishers.
The chance of any unproven author’s book being accepted at this time are almost nil.
Such a drop in sales means that proven authors who have only been moderately successful, or even worse, several good books but the last one lost money, are being dropped. Unproven authors have no chance at all. The publishing companies are cutting proven authors now.
Once you realize to check book sales figures, this is obvious. But in personal situations where one is extremely upset, logic is often very impaired. Would a good book have been rejected? Yes. Would a bad book have been rejected? Yes. Would a so-so book have been rejected? Yes. Very little, if anything, has been determined about the quality of your writing at this point.
And yes, I did know almost all of the unpublished authors reading this were rejected, because almost all of you were rejected(see above). 1=1, 2=2 and all that.
Any new authors reading this may want to process this gut-punch before reading any further.
If a certain poster who changes her screen name quite a bit happens to be reading this, then I would like to take a look at a few of your best chapters.
You can send the chapters by anonymous e-mail to anonymous e-mail, and I’ll reply with a single chapter from my writing hobby. I’m doing several character sketches centered around a train trip taking place in the closing days of the American Civil War. A modified form of the Canterbury Tales, though I’d prefer the stories to be about the characters themselves. My best chapter, “The Measure Of A Man”, about an injured soldier who served under Rosecrans, is still in progress. I’ll push forward and get something serviceable by early next week. My characters take on the Chattanooga campaign is novel, even if I’m still working on the writing.
You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and I’d like to see what you’ve got.
If you decide to send me a few chapters you are proud of, then use the e-mail I just created xbook925@yahoo.com where x is replaced with the first letter of your name. So if you first name were Carol, you would send it to cbook925@yahoo.com. The letter change should at least make it somewhat harder on the troll-mailers with nothing better to do.
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He’s on a mission, Peter is, to bring female fashion back to its untrimmed, unshaven, non landing stripped, and un-waxed senses.
It’s a difficult quest, and at times a thankless one, but someone’s gotta do it.
Peter
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Anne Onymous–
Yeah and it’s a females like you, particularly the aging cohort, how helped a lot to jack her numbers.
Women really should have been excluded from voting. It’s NOT a pole to determine who YOU find most attractive, but rather men and men only.
She’s a model (lower tier) to look like mid or late thirties hard bitten big city higher level career women, who are a substantial market segment. She is not a model to look beautiful to men.
As I said above a couple of times, I also think lots of people read the comments here or saw her and and that she’s a MODEL on the feeder thread for reader submissions of Female Photos for these polls, that’s permanently linked at the top right of the blog. He she’s a model. Must be really beautiful.
Nope she was chosen because she isn’t. But rather looks if not exactly like the average higher level big metro career woman, not entirely beyond reach of many either.
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Naw, D, I was just making an analogy. That ain’t dunst.
… And I’m afraid there will be no more pix of Ma Rain. Peasant wear pic definitely intentional! That pic is from 1977, and I have no idea what’s up with that outfit, but it looks like it would accessorize nicely with wooden clogs, some windmills in the background, and an invading Nazi tank division.
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Agnostic –
And don’t forget doctors. Specifically internal medicine rare ailment puzzle solving type doctors. “13” on House, for example.
Anyone who’s gonna say SHE isn’t a 10 is gonna have a fight on their hands.
Wait, what?
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tunacanman –
Well your guess is I think a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s in the right direction. However I don’t think Peter would approve. And since he’s the originator of the phrase and its abbreviation, let me elaborate.
But don’t feel out of it. No one but a very backblogging reader of CH’s or a long timer here could possibly know. You see Peter’s impact on the world has not been as great as he’d hoped.
It’s Ironman / Peter’s trademarked expression for a thoroughly unkempt weed garden of a pussy, the more thickly tangled, overgrown and weedy the better. No artifice for HIM! No sir. He’s Natural Man. He must have his Glorious Natural Pelt.
And reminds us of it at least once each and every thread he shows up in, charmingly enough! If you’re really lucky you’ll even see him provide some links to particularly “lush” ones he especially admires. He’s on a mission, Peter is, to bring female fashion back to its untrimmed, unshaven, non landing stripped, and un-waxed senses.
Now you can be regularly charmed by his constant reminders of his predilections to all here, just like the rest of us!! Aren’t you glad you asked? Welcome to the inner sanctum!
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I stand by what I said earlier: while there are similarities between (i) and (j), the major difference in lower-lip thickness makes it unlikely that they are the same person years apart. Not impossible, but unlikely.
Peter
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Here are the correct answers, according to both God and science:
1) schnozzy schnaggle tooth (close-up)
2) schnozzy schnaggle tooth (coffee shop)
3) piggy face librarian
4) chipette
5) black nerd
6) ruv you rong time
7) furry coug
8} sake titties
9) fry honey with the kickass womb
10) kirten dunst circa ‘interview with a vampire’ (with 15% added puberty)
This thread confirms my observation in the last rating thread, that the 6 and 7 spots typically get more altruistic and crush-y comments than the 8,9,10 spots.
Furry coug isn’t a “real” 7, like in my rating, she is an 8 with age-depreciated value, so that doesn’t count. Ma Rain got the 7 spot, but my theory is that she got nudged below the coug into the sweet spot by the Girlfriend Material effect. Dunst girl was the shoe in for the 10 spot because she has the ethereal face of a child. Titty girl was the shoe in for the 9 spot because of the titties. That’s the Hot or Not effect.
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I agree with Professional Engineer, number 1 is a man.
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Since people have talked about comparing absolute and rank order ratings side by side, here they are for me (resolving to avoid decimal ratings this time), in the form:
My absolute / my rank order / group’s rank order / my adj rank order*
a) 7 / 7 / 6 / 7
b) 9 / 9 / 9 / 8
c) 9 / 10 / 7 / 9
d) 7 / 6 / 8 / 6
e) 3 / 2 / 2 / 2
f) 4 / 3 / 3 / 3
g) 8*/ 8 / 10 / 10
h) 6 / 5 / 5 / 5
i) 2 / 1 / 1 / 1
J) 4 / 4 / 4 /4
*My main divergence from the average voter, was my giving eternal ingénue or young looking teen girl an 8 vs. a 10. When I thought for a moment about who would be the easiest to seduce for same day sex and looked through the girls again for that (see below), she instinctively came up on top, similar to hard slutty lower tier model bitch (d) but more appealing. Which made me look hard and ponder. That didn’t really jibe with my eternal ingénue / waif thing about her. Not impossible but…. And then I realized she probably doesn’t just LOOK really young, she probably IS really young. I was thinking she was 22-25 or so for some reason from this one photo. I then thought, wow, what’s she gonna look like when she’s 22 to 25, when I personally think most of the most beautiful girls peak? (Though I think less attractive girls often peak earlier.) And then I think damn, then (g) she should be my 10. That has a cascading rank order effect, pushing my next two choices, former 10 and 9 each down a notch. That results in my adj. rank order, the last column. (Oh, I’d have to adjust my absolute number for young hottie (g) too, if she’s 16-18, to a 9 I think).
If my mission were a one night stand cause say I was on a biz. trip, or for some other reason, I’d work in order of g) , b), d), a). d) looks like a bad girl demanding but very quickly seducible slut, and the others look to me like good or goodish (d) girls who might be. The others either look real unlikely to fall all the way fast (c), or uninteresting (the rest). Yeah I’d put (g) first in fast seduceability (or anyway similar to (d) but a lot more appealing despite her apparent innocence and young age. She’s got an emotional yearning and longing to be taken look, if approached by the right kind of man. EXCEPT I just couldn’t do that to (g), if she’s as young and innocent as I’m now supposing. (I’m imaging a late 20’s me). That’s even where it would be legal, and it would at 17 in NY and at 16 in most US states (not Cali) and elsewhere around the world including Europe. I couldn’t do one or two intense nights and then disappear on such a girl. Not remotely. It would probably hurt her big and maybe really big no matter how easy she was to seduce. And she does look the type to want someone significantly older (within reason) too. If she’s 16 or 17, what a Lolita. (Well the real Lolita was 14 when they got going together.)
BTW, re: the voting. Take a look at her ugliness. See how she’s got as of my posting 14 votes as a 10 (!), with very few until you get to a relative 3 (!). Those 10’s are without question by people, probably either women or feminists of all genders and everything in between, who are disgruntled by the whole sexist idea of rank ordering women by attractiveness. Hell, I’d say the 3 and 2 votes have to be the same thing, or their not following instructions about voting that implied you were supposed to rank order them (which actually he should have said in that manner, as well as what he did say). Well I’d say the same thing is going on, only more so (if less outrageously with (d). Look at all those 10 votes. That’s got to be some combination of the groups I just mentioned, supplemented by older women voting for their team since (d) does look sophisticated, intelligent and higher end and like a career woman (all hard and stuff). And I think lots read in the comments here and in the “Female Photo Submissions” thread featured in the upper right hand corner of the blog as a permanent fixture, that she’s a model. Woo hoo. Must but beautiful / elegant.
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Another possible answer to finding the Easter egg, which he has told us is nasty, has just occurred to me.
Could it be that (g) is in fact say 14???
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All that 1 to 10 stuff is far too detailed for my tastes. So here goes.
Would definitely do (in order of preference)
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[2/b] Blondie – Not normally my type but… I think it is the petite body that does it for me. However, I would probably be happier with Mommy Rain.
[3/c] Mommy Rain – Very cute, very feminine. A real catch.
[4/d] Model girl in fur – I should like her but the picture does not quite do it for me. I guess that in real life she would hit my attraction point.
Blondie (2/b) beats Ma Rain (3/c) on a purely sexual basis. The combination of small body, large tits, and cute face provides that bit of extra excitement. Ma Rain is not less attractive, just a slower-burn type of thing.
Would probably do
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[8/h] Black girl with glasses – Not super hot, but reaches my attraction point. Looks slim enough.
Would definitely NOT do (no order needed)
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[5/e] Red beret – Despite earlier comments, she is still a no.
[6/f] Wool skirt – Maybe if she dressed better … but nah!
[9/I] Red hair and nose – She may have been nice when younger, but this is now.
Hmmm!
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[1/a] Asian chick – I am not an autistic retard 🙂 and I still think she looks like a fembot. Maybe in real life she looks better.
[7/g] Porcelain doll – She probably counts as beautiful but does nothing for me. Again, perhaps in real life or if she was obviously interested.
[10/j] Chipmunk – She might have potential but as it stands she falls just below my attraction point.
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“Could it be that (g) is in fact say 14???”
With all the child-love we get from Gannon, I doubt he would consider that an evil easter egg.
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Was the easter egg from last month’s article ever revealed? (Bridge Girl being R’s ex?)
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Peter —
I’m now leaning towards the disturbing and illegal in many states youth of our easy consensus 10, green eyed dollface, as the “evil” Easter egg. It would make Gannon proud. Well I think Gannon talks a lot of sense by and large, as I’ve said.
But my runner up is what you’re leaning against.
One of the two.
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Lurker
People have been known to use abbreviations around here. But ok, fair enough.
I have seen the movie M. Butterfly btw. Now you’re creeping me out. But no, I don’t think she’s a he. Not at all. She’s instead probably Chinese.
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Anne Onymous
I have been caught out by the auto-smilies as well.
Try leaving a space before the parenthesis.
Write 8) as 8 )
If my attempt above works you should have a smiley and followed by an eight, space, and number 8.
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PA
You know I don’t know. What you suggested was certainly the eventual consensus, as I recall. Or rather that he dated her at least for a time; not necessarily that she “the ex”.
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Welmer –
That’s an astute observation. Although that stops being true with women after menopause. Then they start looking womanly again fast. Grandmother style, unfortunately.
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I get the feeling that lower tier model may be a dolled up french fry girl. However, I read here that alcohol does lower one’s perception of facial symmetry, so I the hang over may be clouding my judgment.
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I wonder what the results would look like, same poll, without a forced ranking. I agree, no real ten here. I’ve known a few in real life – you just can’t stop looking.
And I rated the Asian way higher than most of you did although she is average at best among real Asian women I’ve known.
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dougjnn
My thoughts came before realizing she was a model. I was too lazy to write them up before.
Two things:
Elegance is something I find attractive. A good sense of style (not fashion) can lift a woman by a point, maybe two (at a stretch).
I have had some experience of the real flesh and blood woman turning out better than her photo. That is to say, the photo looked nice, but the woman sparkled.
…er Three things (Monty Python reference)
I probably over intellectualized her inclusion in the “definitely” section. Two contenders seemed kind of light.
[I did not want anyone to think I was unable to be attracted to women … you know…er…gay. :)]
She should have gone in the “Hmm!” section.
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(g) is the polish model Monika Jagaciak (born 1994). This photo was taken in 2007.
http://www.gaga.pl/karta_nowe_twarze.php?id=200&lng=en
Easter egg busted!
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Anne Onymous–
Your RW 3 for the ugly if not quite hideous schnoz is quite impossible. I’ll grant you a 2, and did in my RW ranking, to make room for the truly hideous, but a 3 just isn’t gonna fly among us guys.
CH actually excluded the obese or the over 40 from the “competition” because they’re essentially in their own categories, with the obese obscuring the underling facial features but being extremely unattractive by that fact alone, and both complicating things (some will see hope for change or potential, etc.).
I challenge you to find 5 guys of the thousands her who volunteer to support the (i) pic above, your schnoz, as a RW 3.
And one this we don’t care what women think. AT ALL.
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Sweet, 13 years old.
I already sold my soul with a quasi-incestuous photo submission; a little bit of pedo won’t send me to hell no faster.
And remember folx, Ma Rain is 17. You’re all in like so many fucked-up government databases now.
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Oh SNAP, I just found our next 10!!
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Default User
This is JUST what I’m talking about. Learn that (d) is a MODEL (never mind that she’s been chosen to look kinda like aging hard bitten upper career women rather than to look beautiful) simply pollutes the mind. it’s the opposite of a double blind for all who got wind of her model hood from coments her or in the feeder thread perma lined at the top of the blog, for readers to submit pics depicting each of the 10 numbers. It’s polluted the results.
Plus re women votes it’s hopeless. She’s EXACTLY the sort of woman they look to to validate the myth that getting older doesn’t matter much looks wise, and that smarts and success help to make you look a lot more attractive to men.
NO MORE MODELS!! (The fact that she’s lower tier and sort of a “character model”, which you used as a pass to get her by the celebrities and models exclusion, didn’t work. Model, model, model.
(This is NOT to pick on you Default, you simply verbalized your thought processes and ambivalence and how you resolved it on the furry model. I think it’s more or less typical of many.)
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My whole point was that even for a beta male, absent a real woman, jerking off sounds better than a sexbot. Less hassle. Think about it: when you’re clicking through your tetrabytes of porn, your fantasies take over and become get vivid enough for you to come, even though your “partner” is nothing more than pixels on the monitor.
In contrast, a sexbot would do nothing to enhance the experience; barring a technological quantuum leap, the sexbot would in fact detract from the masturbatory experience by making you have to move & thrust against a plastic piece of equipment rather than sitting comfortably in front of your screen.
You have to remember that you’re drawing a sharp line between alphas and betas because you spend a lot of time on this this blog. In reality, it’s a continuum, and girls don’t say to themselves “wow, he’s a lesser alpha – I’ll do him!” or “nah, he showed one too many beta qualities – just missed the alpha cutoff!”
Within this continuum, even beta guys can fool a girl long enough to sleep with her. She can be drunk, or the guy might have a quirk that she really likes, or he might accidentally run a bit of game on her.
For example, if stars aligned correclty, your Non-Date would probably sleep with you and in the heat of the moment she’d enjoy it, even though you describe yourself as a beta.
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dougjinn,
We need a glossary/FAQ for the new folks around here. Your entry on Peter’s quest for GNP can go first. Next entry can be “don’t mind DA and don’t waste your time trying to give him advice. he knows it. just likes to bitch.”
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PA —
I completely agree with this. I’ve said similar sometimes but not enough.
As well, particularly with someone David’s just met, and particularly if she doesn’t immediately meet David’s friends who are going to spill the beans against him, that “fooling a girl long enough” will continue to seem real to her the next morning. Which will be an enormous confidence boost. Which DA can then build on with her, or others. Particularly with the things DA has read here in mind to do and not do as you’re continuing to build rapport and parry her shit tests. Just generally act confident, playful, jumping around the conversation sometimes in sorta emotionally interconnected but logically ill connected ways, etc. Touching her. The opposite of rigid or formal or asking permission rather sensing her comfort, and so on.
This is just the sort of thing that would happen to me when I was on my way up, without the benefit of any coherent game theory and philosophy. What was a quasi fluke can become a new level, maybe or probably with some subsequent backsliding or a harder connection with a similarly cute girl but who’s different. But it can build, once you get going, and have a clue as to what works and what doesn’t.
Also, there are girls, almost always good girls or more or less good girls, who before looking for a husband are looking for a relationship and prefer someone loyal to some likely to flake and be disloyal to them, as they see it. yeah that used to be a whole lot of girls, a large majority, and is now a smaller number of American girls while they’re in playtime before looking for a husband, but it’s still a lot of girls. Lots of them will actually prefer better betas to most younger player or semi player alphas, who if they’re gonna be loyal aren’t going to be to a say 6.
So your thing DA about how no girl wants to have sex with a beta isn’t true. It’s closer to truth if you said no girl wants to have CASUAL, no real chance of a relationship sex with beta, and certainly most 7’s and all 8’s on up don’t, and a lot of 6’s also. But some 5’s will. Ok probably sluttier ones who don’t want to wait around forever for that really drunk less alpha, but hey some friendly fuck buddy 5 might be just what you need DA. If you can get they to like fucking you (albeit while on the lookout for the great stray lesser alpha, which you accept while you’re supposedly or actually also looking around for some other), I’d say you’d have a real good thing for now going DA. Something to build from.
Maybe what this fuck buddy really likes you for sex wise is oral DA. But she does that for you too in return and just cause she likes to exert her powers in that way, and you two also f*ck, which ok isn’t as you fear the most thrilling thing for her, but it’s good. And you get better and then a lot better with some practice. And she’s not tied down to you, she’s on her hunt for that great white whale, her elusive lesser alpha (though she doesn’t quite put it that way or look at it that way and it’s not even entirely true that it such great distinction, it’s more nuanced and especially is as you get better.
But you know what, if you start this way with her, i mean as a middling beta she really gets along with and who can really be fine with mutual fuck buddy open, but she doesn’t think is really the UMMPH romantic partner for her, it’s gonna be hard or more accurately unlikely, to turn it into something really commited in a not deeply settling way with her. And maybe best not for both of you. But think of how much better set up mentally and skills wise you’ll be for your next gf, as that hunt begins. Or rather continues because while she was looking for that great white whale of an alpha, you were looking for a cute girl, say a facial 6 with the body type you like, to commit to you on a trial basis as a full up gf.
And so it could go. If you got off your defeatist before you’ve even tried ass.
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Jackson–
Ooops. My bad. Yeah, yeah, I know better. Oh how I know better.
Hey, PA started it!
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Rain And–
Now THAT’s evil.
It’s gotta be evil to make a little girl, far far from pubescence, look like that. It’s not like it’s hard to tell. But they’ve done everything they can, short of buying her implants, to make it hard.
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That’s right Doug. Also, what DA doesn’t realize is that even betas have flashes of confidence. So if he sleeps with a girl , chances are that he will start acting more confidently around her and thus in her eyes, he’ll take on an aura of alphahood.
Imagine DA sleeping with his Non-Date, pulling off the act competently, and then ignoring her somewhat. Chances are that she’ll start chasing after him as though he were an alpha. And if they then have sex again, she’ll feel like she’s having sex with an alpha.
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I don’t give David any advice. I’ve been here long enough to know his m.o. What I do is debate a particular point he makes — not to encourage him in his love life, but only for the sake of debating.
I agree that people who fall all over themselves to give him advice are either new readers or people who for some reason feel compelled to turn him into a playa. (hi Obsidian!)
I know well enough to leave people alone and let them be who they wanna be. David knows all he needs to know about ‘being alpha’ and if he insists on being a ‘beta,’ then maybe he simply likes it better that way.
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Some people have referred to the black girl as “chocolate fry.” That is incorrect. Unlike Rain And’s mom, she is not eating a french fry, but rather an onion ring.
Peter
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I’ll take your word for it that my real world rating of the schnoz may be too generous, D. (I feel my rating of red beret and chipmunk may be as well). Perhaps my problem is that most of these lower-rung candidates look like the typical women I see on the street. Not hideously deformed, just sadly plain, frumpy, usually overweight. My rating assumes that 5 is ‘average’, meaning the subject isn’t a looker, but isn’t head-turningly gross to most observers. Of course, one must take into account that ‘average’ these days, as CH pointed out, is becoming progressively fuglier.
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Anne —
Fair enough Anne.
We need to keep in mind too, all of us, that we really don’t like to think much about or look at women 4 and below or certainly 3 and below. Or rather we only do as non sexual beings who who we ignore in that way as much as possible while we go about our business. Women do with women too I’m told. It’s a bit different with friends and family of course. A bit. But the point is we spend a LOT of time contemplating the hotness of 6-8’s cause there’s a fair number of them, and the 9’s and rare 10’s (of either gender, with different selection criteria) we can delightedly discover. We WANT to see them. We sometimes LOOK around to see them. We watch movies and TV to see them. And so on.
So the below average are progressively more invisible to us, while the above and especially very above are progressively wonderfully apparent from way off.
Seems to me.
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Google it. That’s definitely her.
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This would be a lot better if you stuck with candid photos that weren’t taken by professionals and re-touched.
I was somewhat surprised that fake boobs and bleached out hair allowed #2 to rank so much higher than she should have based on what is left of her natural appearance.
Apparently it is as easy to use plastic surgery and cosmetics to fool men similar to how game allows men to fool women.
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“So if he sleeps with a girl , chances are that he will start acting more confidently around her and thus in her eyes, he’ll take on an aura of alphahood.”
Much of this “alpha” stuff is really just transferring intimacy to an earlier stage, much like a woman dressing scantily for the club.
As I’ve pointed out before, every relationship I’ve seen closely or been in has had males (even ones this group would call “beta’) play “alpha” physical dominance games with their female partners.
The real question has to do with social norms and the granting of permissions. Well-raised males and well-raised females understand that the woman grants some initial permission for the male to turn on the “alpha switch,” and that a male behaves respectfully until then. This is a pretty basic foundation of our civilization.
We now have many poorly raised females who were never taught that, and those women require “game,” where the guy turns the “alpha switch” on from the beginning. These women are not quality women.
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Here’s another Jagaciak looking tre 10:
(by which I mean attractiveness not age. Ok maybe both)
And here’s a much needed Jagaciak up-skirt:
WARNING: If you click on that picture, you are officially a felon.
Finally, here Jagaciak is in her natural environs, away from the make-up and fashion team, looking pretty fug. Looks like River Phoenix, but with less tits:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23625983-5001021,00.html
But at least she’s smart enough to hang out with a professional fug for the contrast effect. It definitely softens the blow.
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For all of you worried about being a pedaphile, you should know that when psychologists test someone for what they find attractive they have normative standards.
(What they do is show people a bunch of pictures and ask them to rate how sexually attractive they find someone then they secretly time how long people look at pictures. The longer they look at the picture, the more they are attracted to the subject. Obviously there can be different results from what is reported, to what people actually find attractive)
It is perfectly normal for both men and women to find members of the opposite sex from the age 13+ attractive based on these tests. As soon as secondary gender characteristics show up, we are biologically drawn to members of the opposite sex.
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Rain And
Google it. That’s definitely her.
Who cares? I would have rated her attractiveness exactly the same relative to the other 9 pics even if I’d known her age.
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Mikkel
How do you know that’s her? You link leads to no comparable age photos. The youngest cover shows only a tiny fact that looks 4 or so years older by body size, and anyway the face there is microscopic.
Are you too “analogizing”?
If not and you found a link through to telling photos I missed, how the hell did you find her.
I think your “analogizing”.
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“The problem with America today is that so many women are fat that they’ve pushed the beauty bell curve into an unsightly leftward bulge”
Actually, both men and women have an obesity problem:
“About 33 percent of men and 35 percent of women were obese. The new rates were slightly higher than the 31 percent and 33 percent reported in 2003-2004 surveys.
However, in generalizing the results to the U.S. population, researchers calculated a margin of error that swallows up the differences between years. In other words, the increases were not considered statistically significant.
The obesity rate for women has been about steady since 1999-2000, at around 33 percent. But the male rate trended up, from 27.5 percent in 1999-2000.”
Reminds me of something I overheard in a bar a few months ago, from one (pretty hot) married woman to another:
“He can’t even see his own dick, and he’s telling me to get some exercise?”
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dougjnn
I haven’t much to say to your reply other than …
Agree.
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1. Love puzzles
2. Reverse image search (Thank you, glorious internets!)
3. All crap links. Found out that the picture mainly circulated in april 2008.
4. Deduced from link destinations that she was a) model b) very young c) probably eastern european
5. Posted this
6. Non-procrastinated
7. Annoyed that I couldn’t pin it down exactly
8. Went back to previous reverse image search results
9. Had eureka-moment
10. Used split image from search results as new input for reverse image search: Bingo!
11. Standard google-fu
12. Post
Total time waisted: Too much.
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dougjnn:
“Well the real Lolita was 14 when they got going together.”
Not to pick nits, but in the novel she was actually 12 when she first had sex with Humbert Humbert (it’s the end of summer after her camp ended, and she’ll turn 13 on Jan. 1). In fact, 14 was the upper bound for what he would consider a “nymphet”, and he preferred girls at the early stages of puberty (11 or 12). Given that the actual photo (g) was taken a few years ago, she’s 12 or 13 in it. We are all Humberts.
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Mikkel.
School me.
Well I don’t know enough (as in nothing) about this technique to tell, but this does sound rather, well Eureka-y. Aka little flash of brilliance.
Well done.
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Wow Rossie I’m impressed that you were able to find 10 pictures that fit into each of the 1-10 scale. Pretty neat psychological experiment that looks are universal.
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Agnostic–
Oh yeah. She’s a RW 10 alright.
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Default User
I agree with you more than I disagree with you. Otherwise she might as well be, well a sexbot.
But you aren’t really looking at it right. With a hotter girl you don’t have to worry much about her not enjoying the seduction while you pull her into cold and mechanical sex with you, which you want to spare her. Not to worry. Ain’t gonna happen. If she no enjoy the seduction, she no get seduced. You no get sex with her, mechanical or otherwise. Now for a girl looking to settle down for a while, for a trial, or for a marriage, she might sign up without a real seduction, just some courtship routines probably over extended periods of time pretending to do that, and then after suitable pledges and other indications of relationship commitment on your part, she might well have sex with you without the heart racing and pussy juicing thrill of seduction. Now that can easily end up being mechanical and distancing and even cold from her point of view, however warm towards her you say you are and however much you care about her. She needed to be seduced, in addition to being committed to. Of course if she’s just thrilled about you, she can be sort of automatically seduced, without your doing anything consciously much about it. That’s called inexplicable true love. It’s tough in this day and age of lots of female experience, without some skills on your part.
Even a just sex connection is a real connection if done right, even if it’s sometimes a fleeting one. All strongly experienced connections involve some kinds of emotions, or it’s mechanical and not thrilling, certainly for the woman. And for the man as well, or anyway it’s pale stuff otherwise, if he’s tasted real and compelling sexual connection, however quickly developed. Cold mechanics it’s not if it’s good or great. Period. End of story. Of course the nature of it may be just taking her over hard and/or compellingly, rather than any full spectrum emotional connection thing. But it’s gotta be emotionally felt, a real exchange, to be really good. Of course this sort of just sex emotional connection is likely to just dissipate for a man (unless he’s from poverty on this), but much less so for women who aren’t real sluts. A hot and even deeply felt sexual connection or even a number of them does not a relationship commitment make, especially for a man – or a slutty woman. In fact any kind of really deep bond aka intense love may be hard for a once really slutty woman to feel again. But that’s another topic that CH and PA and I and especially Vladamir have gone into in some depth before.
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@Brandy
I think most voters read ‘beauty’ as ‘instant sexual attractiveness based on static representation’:
As James said:
“This is not a good test, because his instructions blur the difference between beauty, attractiveness, and hotness (which are of course not mutually exclusive).”
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Oh, just read the instructions. Can’t use a number more than once. So if all you have are 5s, you are FORCED to rank them as 10s? This is the source of 6-7s acting like 10s to begin with!
You weren’t that careful or your scale is scewed. Yes, there are some attractive women in those photos. But 10s? Not on your life.
Anyway, it’s impossible to determine a woman’s beauty JUST by looking at her face. I gotta see the whole package.
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Some of these pictures are face-only. Others show something of the body. So we end up comparing based on different sets of qualities.
b: How can everyone be so sure those breasts aren’t real? Maybe they aren’t. But are you sure? Quibble: She’s probably drinking saki. Is that even consider a wine?
g: Yes, leaning toward too childish. But unless we see the full body we don’t know for sure.
d: “fur smile” girl is a lot less attractive in her non-smiling picture.
Attraction has several components. Some place more weighting on personality characteristics that they think some of the faces show. Just which personality characteristics people want varies. So I have a question: Does desired personality characteristics vary more than desired facial and body shapes?
My guess is there’s less variation in desire for facial shapes than for body shapes. But I’m less clear on how much desire for particular personality types varies.
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Keith
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Good stuff. Interesting way to put it. Rings largely true to me.
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Weight control is 70% of the battle for most women. And the Black community has far more weight control issues than other communities, which is possibly why you don’t see as many attractive ones?
I think most women, while they may not be super models, would still be somewhat attractive IF ALL THEY DID WAS WATCH THEIR WEIGHT!
Quickie poll – who thinks Serena Williams is pretty? I go back and forth with her. Sometimes I think she’s hot. Other times, I think she looks like a tranny.
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There’s a better pic of that 14 y.o. model here, dressed in red:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559046/14-year-old-Polish-model-banned-catwalk-row-sexualising-young-girls.html
She looks too pre-teenish in the clavicle-caressing pic.
Sometime this weekend I’ll put up some pictures at my blog of a real-life 10. A teenager (16 – 17 y.o.) who I knew on the internet when I lived in Barcelona. She was in a previous post I put up on Catalan girls. Everyone agreed she was stunning. I think he used the word “exquisite.”
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meow meow:
I was somewhat surprised that fake boobs and bleached out hair allowed #2 to rank so much higher than she should have based on what is left of her natural appearance.
she’s a natural 8 with or without fake tits.
women’s opinions of other women’s attractiveness should be taken with a flat of salt.
Apparently it is as easy to use plastic surgery and cosmetics to fool men similar to how game allows men to fool women.
no it’s not, and telling yourself that isn’t going to make it so.
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Rain and you bastard why did you post that?
lol
I knew there was a reason I didn;t vote on g
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AS —
I don’t think so. It’s an almost head shot taken at a close physical distance to the lens with her head at an angle to the camera. I’ve done SLR amateur photography on and off for years. Usually head shots or almost head shots are taken with mild telephotos which backs the camera away from the subject to have the head fill the frame to the same extent, in order to avoid weird effects like this, or making the subject look heavier rather than thiner. If you look at the back wall in this smallish room, notice that it looks sort of far away instead of right up close. Means no telephoto, rather a a wide angle. It’s probably a mild or medium wide angle lens such as a 35 or even 28mm, which will tend to exaggerate this sort of effect.
In other words with this set up if both her eyes were focused precisely on the lens front or the photog’s eyes just behind and above it, you’d expect exactly this effect.
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Nothing wrong with 5s. They serve a purpose. Knew a 5 once, had a nice body but kind of blah face. great personality though and a ton of energy. She really appreciated sex because she had to chase down a lot of the guys she wanted instead of vice-versa. good girl to have around. never slept with her, but wouldn’t have felt bad if I did. she will probably end up with a nice beta-looking guy someday.
the world is nicer to pretty people, but there is joy for us all.
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gunny —
Weasle.
So what number DID you give her gunny?
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How can everyone be so sure those breasts aren’t real? Maybe they aren’t. But are you sure?
Me no care either way. =)
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Now that I have had time I realised that the voting system is not that futile and it was more easy than I thought to chose the girls from the better looking (an apparent nine, I’d have to see her body to tell) to the ugly one. However I must say that below the Japonese girl, it was all very difficult to qualify.
Another thing that was hard was to order the various six-sevens, the three other actractive white girls but he green eyed one.
And here I say, over the risk of making this a race discussion yet again, that by the result it is obviously that there was two leagues: That of the non repulsive white girls and then that of all the rest.
It would be easier to go to Hi5 and chose some photos randomly or something. So that that two leagues are not so evident and a more “distrubited” population is represented.
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The teenage model is the 10, but not in the washed out photo CH put up. Hey, I’ve said it before, some girls reach their peak at 14. Kinda cruel for them, as there is much good they can do with their beauty then.
PA is right though that it is best overall to date girls in their early 20s. They are pretty much at their peak lookswise, they know themselves a bit, yet still have that girly energy. Perfect.
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voted 10 on g. don’t feel bad about being attracted to post-pubescent girls. I obey the laws of my country and stay out of prison, but my thoughts and my instincts are my own.
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Lawyer from Hell–
Glad you said that. Lord knows Gannon has.
It’s our laws and extreme social shaming thought police that are whack. There may be and are reasons to restrict men from having intercourse with girls just as soon as they are pubescent with secondary sex characteristics in a society like ours, but there’s no excuse for pretending men who are attracted to some girls from that point are sick pedophile perverts. Which is EXACTLY what our society does. All men are if they don’t realize the age (as here) or even if they do but then they’ll either be in deep denial or won’t admit it, for very good reasons given the reign of shaming terror on this subject that’s taken hold in America fairly recently. And yeah this was a recent feminist push too, though fathers with daughters have never been too hard to convince to get extreme in this area, if that’s the way the elites are leading or permitting.
And with this girl …
(I wouldn’t be surprised if this extraordinary girl has had secondary sexual characteristics and menarche (which signals ability to get preggers) show up for a couple years before the pic was taken. It’s known to happen even younger than that.)
Well I think CH has just demonstrated how normal it is, hasn’t he? She has a comfortable lead as consensus 10, easily more than the lead of most of the hot girls for their ranking, and 88% of voters put her at a 7 or above.
This 13 yo that is.
Wow.
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“Beta-looking”?
Please go back and read the archives of this blog, this time for comprehension.
Alpha/Beta and looks are almost orthogonal.
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I rate on two different scales: Prettiness and Fuckability. Looks will be 0-10 as usual, and Fuckability will be 0-3.
(a) 6, 1
(b) 8, 2
(c) 7, 2
(d) 6, 1 *
(e) 2, 0
(f) 3, 0
(g) 7, 0 **
(h) 5, 1
(i) 1, 0
(j) 4, 0
No one on this list is within shouting distance of “10”.
* No kissing for bitches like this one.
** Might be the pic, which makes her look like a cross between Zombie and “Communion” alien. The facial expression is just otherworldly, in a creepy way.
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Twiceaday
Since “Lolita” was about the best selling novel in history it is a pretty good bet that Nabokov tapped into a deep well of psychological truth.
We all could be like H. Humbert except for the fact that, usually, girls actually start to seem hotter when they acquire righteous womanly bits.
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Twiceaday, your correction of dougjnn was accurate but your conclusion – that all men are “humberts” was odd. The whole point of *Lolita* was not that men are or could be attracted to very young (but pubescent) girls. Humbert liked his Lolitas pre-pubescent. Any girl who showed signs of puberty – breasts, roundness in the hips, or the inability to eat as much ice-cream as she wanted – was by definition not a Lolita to him. There’s a whole passage in the book where he goes on about this.
Clio
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87: the “Uncanny Valley” in your link is an interesting concept. I’ve never heard of this but it makes sense.
As someone here quipped a while ago, there are three kinds of female attractiveness: cute, beautiful, and hot. My extrapolation: the cute girls you marry, the beautiful ones you worship, and the hot ones you fuck.
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Rain And:
3) piggy face librarian
4) chipette
I don’t understand this rating. Why not switch the two?
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About paedophilia:
The Polish teen is a nine (in that photo). It’s certainly normal for a man to find a very young girl beautifull, that does not mean he would want to have sex with her.
It’s more dubious when a man feels sexually atracted to a young girl, but still, one thing is to feel atracted, another is to persue sex.
In my personal case, I’d want that Polish girl to make some very nasty things, and I’d very much like to do many obscene things from her back inwards; However, if I could see her in reality, I bet I would find her incredibly beautifull but I think I would not feel compelled to put my dick on her. I think I’d be more protective than anything else.
About the rarity of a ten. Tens are rare but exist among normal anonymous womenm, much more so than among the beautifull people you daily see in the media as an example of beauty.
Another deranged thing is that a real life ten can tend to look like an 8 or even a seven in photos and a WOW photo ten can be no less than a seven in reality.
Actually, there are some banal women who tend easily to look like nine in photographies which makes me believe that some 8s, 9s and even some 7s can pass as a ten through the means of a photography.
About tens: People here say that women lose their beauty easily when they became more natural (waking up, not brushed hair, whatever).
I’ve seen and known some tens (not that much, some 3 or 4) and what constitutes a ten is that they are always a ten.
I mean, I have never fucked a ten, but I can say that a ten is a ten when she sleeps, when she awakes, when she’s crying, when she’s laughing, when she’s drunk, in pain, dirty…
a ten will only cease to be a ten if she gets hurt (I meant physically wounded in the face, but now that I think of it, I’ve saw some tens becaming eights just because they were “hurt” psychologically. Of course that takes at least a couple of months to happen).
Or maybe it is I that am too much demanding because usually when someone says ten I say nine.
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The “Uncanny Valley” idea explains why we find vampires so fascinating. They are completely humanlike, even superior in beauty and inntelligence to humans in some versions of the legend, and yet more scary and repellent than any other mythical creature.
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dougjnn
thanks for welcoming me to nthe insiders world of pelt.. now I want out!
If a girl dont shave it, It’s not on my menu.
ugh
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The Polish teen is a nine (in that photo).
Is she really, or is it simply the fact that her youth + slim figure + passably pretty face combine to a nice effect in professional modeling shots?
In other words, wouldn’t most girls her age, provided they are slim and not ugly be 9’s under the same conditions?
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The reason the Japanese girl looks cross-eyed is the epicanthic fold. It obscures the inner sclera on her far eye, creating the illusion that her eyes are off kilter (pseudostrabismus). If you look closely at her pupils you will see that the reflection of the camera flash is in the same position on each pupil, which shows that she is not in fact cross-eyed.
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Re: Polish Girl
She’s prettier looking in the link, but she’s not hot. Very beautiful with makeup in certain photos, but she lacks the raw sexual appeal to cross into hotness. She may blossom in her early twenties…
Re: Fur Model
If you’re an aspirant beta male in need of a WASPy looking wife to build status and wealth and breed high IQ children, visually, she seems like a good bet. The downside is that you may want to cheat on her with a hot prole girl once you’ve built up the status and wealth.
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3) piggy face librarian
4) chipette
I don’t understand this rating. Why not switch the two?
I could try and explain it, by why would I need to? As in why me specifically? A poll with 1000 judges overwhelmingly put them in that same order.
This isn’t some idiosyncratic rating of mine.
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“Alpha/Beta and looks are almost orthogonal.”
Not necessarily. Evidence indicates that the best looking 5% of men attract disproportionate attention, even compared to the next lower down 5%.
From the following paper, that uses data from a dating website to estimate people’s preferences in partner traits:
http://www.aeaweb.org/annual_mtg_papers/2006/0106_0800_0502.pdf
“However, there is a surprising “superstar effect” for men. Those men in the top five percent of ratings receive almost twice as many frst contacts as the next five percent; for women, on the other hand, the difference in outcomes is much smaller.”
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tunacanman–
Agreed. Well not for long. Like after the first time and some post coital lying together:
“He babe, have you always not shaved or waxed down there?” “Really? ……….That’s too bad……….. Well because I like it so much better shaved………….Oh yeah your so hot and all to me baby………..it’s too that there’s that ………..I’m surprised you haven’t run into that a lot…………….Oh, no other guys have done it for you enough to want to make that, um ……….sacrifice for their aesthetic visual and gettin’ at it pleasure? …………. I just find bald motivates me so much more, you know?………….Especially after awhile…………I know shavings a bit of a pain, but you know shaving my face is for me too babe. After awhile it’s just part of the routine……Though really I just really rarely run in to this these days, or for a long time now………….. Pretty rare I’ve found………Of course I think your hot sugar………
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“dougjnn
gunny –
I knew there was a reason I didn;t vote on g
Weasle.
So what number DID you give her gunny?”
Naa man not a weasel. It is what has saved me heartache and pain but yet caused heartache and pain but yet saved heartache and pain.
I was a weasle (more like taken advantage of/naieve) when I cheated on my first 10 without telling her beforehand since then I have learned my lesson.
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OK, here’s my example of a real-life 10, with 20 pictures:
http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2009/03/finding-10-in-real-life.html
Ah, to be surrounded by Catalan teenagers again… I’m seriously ready to drop everything and vagabond around Barcelona again for a year or so. Especially now that it’s springtime.
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The photograph really makes a difference. Consider these two pics of the same woman:
I’d rate the first pic a 10 and the second a 4.
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My whole point was that even for a beta male, absent a real woman, jerking off sounds better than a sexbot.
My presumption about sexbots is that they’ll be robots that can fully imitate a woman, but have desire toward beta males. Thus, the sex robot isn’t for those times that you want a quick easy sexual release, but for the times that you want to actively and possibly aggressively have sex, but bypassing the questionable status of a prostitute, the ugliness/non-sexual appeal of the average woman, or the pickiness of a woman with actual beauty.
In reality, it’s a continuum, and girls don’t say to themselves “wow, he’s a lesser alpha – I’ll do him!” or “nah, he showed one too many beta qualities – just missed the alpha cutoff!”
Remember, Wellesley Queen and the Mistress both called me beta, so I’m inclined to believe that the labelling is done by women who have options and access to alphas, even if they don’t use the term alpha or beta.
For example, if stars aligned correclty, your Non-Date would probably sleep with you and in the heat of the moment she’d enjoy it, even though you describe yourself as a beta.
I’d avoid sleeping with non-date primarily because I’d prefer to avoid the mess of having sex with women in a relationship. Firstly, there’s the guilt factor, but secondly, the last time I did have sex with an “engaged” woman, I almost ended up in jail and crashing a car I didn’t own. Given that non-date’s boyfriend is a jealous and enraged prole white guy, I’d refrain from having sex with her for my own personal safety. While admittedly, there were times I wanted to have my way with her, especially during their troubled moments and de facto break up, I just wasn’t willing to do so.
Plus, while she’s a nice person, my fear of our short-term relationship turning into a long-term relationship via an unwanted pregnancy basically short circuits any potential for a sex with her. Short-term relationships sex-fueled relationships should be done with women that you wouldn’t be ashamed or too scared to marry and have kids with.
Also, there are girls, almost always good girls or more or less good girls, who before looking for a husband are looking for a relationship and prefer someone loyal to some likely to flake and be disloyal to them, as they see it.
I’d argue that while those girls may tolerate a beta at first, in the long-term they’ll grow to hate him or just become sexually unattracted toward him, and at the first flirt of an alpha, she’ll cheat. Besides, a girl who wants a loyal husband is really a proxy for a girl who isn’t smart enough to get a high paying job to allow her to live alone, and not pretty enough to secure an alpha.
but hey some friendly fuck buddy 5 might be just what you need DA
I though 5s were replaced with porn on DVDs? 🙂
And so it could go. If you got off your defeatist before you’ve even tried ass.
I’ll answer this on my blog later.
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I guess you can’t embed pics in comments. Here are links to the two pics:
http://bride.ru/ph/phcgi/ladies/764/764380P1.jpg
http://bride.ru/ph/phcgi/ladies/764/764380P3.jpg
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OK, here’s my example of a real-life 10, with 20 pictures
With a bit more make up and some acrylic nails and a body shape toward my preferences, she’d be perfect. Face wise, I understand why you’re mesmerized by her.
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Tuna
Oh now I got you. I meant the inner sanctum of this blog. Not Peter’s antiquated, um, predilections.
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agnostic
Oh yeah. A Spanish, moderately aquiline nose and upper classy looking 10 to be sure.
Lucky guy. Did you take the pics, or some of them?
Any idea what she’s up to now?
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Gonna take some pics when I go home of some brides these guys who make almost no money get.
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In other words, wouldn’t most girls her age, provided they are slim and not ugly be 9’s under the same conditions?
No.
OK, here’s my example of a real-life 10, with 20 pictures
Eyes = 10
Bone structure = 7
Overall = 8
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Pike–
Agreed, a ten. I wouldn’t come close to rating her a 4 if all I saw was the second photo. It’s obviously a blurry, bad hair, messed up pic for an unflattering angle and yet she still looks hot. I’d think “8 or 9” seeing just the second photo, “or maybe a 10”. This photo’s crap. Show me another. “
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Jesus Christ; whoever rated the cross eyed Asian higher than 5 is insane. I like Asian chicks OK, but that one is a shovel faced beast. Also, the blonde with fake tits; jayzus. I’d rather pork Rain… and’s mom.
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Thursday–
You don’t like that classic Spanish aquiline nose look is all, seems like to me. I didn’t either first I saw it regular on some girls in college. Then it really grew on me. Really grew.
Do you like Arab beauties? There are a lot of similarities which I imagine is no co-incidence, but also typical differences.
Agnostic’s 10 would make a perfect Carmen. Hot, fiery, passionate — and beautiful. Although she looks a little too stable to be Carmen. Not completely stable, just compared to Carmen. Which would be a good thing for those not seeking self immolation.
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Lupo–
Get back in line busta.
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Even the opinion of lesbians?!?
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It doesn’t seem to me that lesbians are as visual-oriented with regards to other women than men are. They seem to thrive in relationships of suffocating-to-us eternal drama.
They also seem to be into “wounded doe” types of girls they can fancy themselves rescuing from evil men/husbands/fathers. The battered-wife thing is probably in large part propagated by lesbians, who dream of rescuing these “wounded creatures.”
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PA–
No. I don’t think so at all.
There’s also something vulnerable / hungry in her face and expression, in an enigmatic way.
Most upper half (and not at all pudgy) girls her age (13) or really a year or two older look cute, ranging from gangly awkward sorta cute to very cute but cute nonetheless . She looks beautiful in a strange and I thought at first kinda immature, eternal ingenue/ waif sort of way for her age, which I thought was probably about 22-23. From the context I guess.
He’s never posted real young girls before, for one thing. I definitely was thinking she was older that the girl at the bottom of the list, who I guess is 19, but I thought youngish looking 18-19.
But instead she looks older than she is. If I had no contextual cues I’d probably guess 17. Once I re-evaluated her that is what I guessed at first. Then I had a eureka moment that told me if she was actually much younger but looked very old for her real age, THAT would be an “evil” Easter egg. And on the basis of that trying it out clue guessed 14. “Evil” meaning btw, not what he finds evil, but what he suspects will shake up a substantial number of his readers, especially those clinging to feminist/PC ways of thinking about gender verities and relations. I.e. “evil” in the sense of killing off another “pretty lie”, which is after all his mission statement. “Where pretty lies come to perish.”
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They also seem to be into “wounded doe” types of girls they can fancy themselves rescuing from evil men/husbands/fathers.
That sounds like the betas who prey on messed up women thinking they can buy them like foreclosed homes and fix them up into perfect wives.
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I think it’s interesting that you assume a 12-14 year old would enjoy sex with you. What, exactly, do you think you are offering? When I was 12, I would have freaked the eff out if anyone significantly older than me approached me sexually in any way. Are you just trying to justify the fact that you can only get it up for someone who could never ever have the brains or ability to fight back? (Not because she’s stupid, but because she’s TWELVE, and most pubescents are pretty helpless. Your brain doesn’t develop defenses for some things until later in adolescence).
Why this city tolerates and encourages this crap mess of a blog is beyond me.
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Lesbians seem really resentful of the fact that women like us brutish, smelly men, when they could be in the arms of someone as compassionate and motherly as them.
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Anonymous:
“Humbert liked his Lolitas pre-pubescent. Any girl who showed signs of puberty – breasts, roundness in the hips, or the inability to eat as much ice-cream as she wanted – was by definition not a Lolita to him. There’s a whole passage in the book where he goes on about this.”
He wasn’t interest in pre-pubescent girls exactly, but ones who were in the midst of puberty. He liked breasts, just underdeveloped ones; he liked pubic hair, but just the first little bits. He wasn’t after 6 or 8-year olds — his target range was 11-14, the age of puberty for most girls. My point about us all being Humberts was just that by and large, we’ve chosen the 12 or 13-year old as the most attractive (which she is). Look at one of the linked photo galleries of her — though she’s got some breasts and hips, she’s clearly not fully developed yet. Exactly what Humbert wanted.
dougjnn:
“You don’t like that classic Spanish aquiline nose look is all, seems like to me. I didn’t either first I saw it regular on some girls in college. Then it really grew on me. Really grew.”
I’m not wild about it either. I tend to prefer the facial features of northern or eastern European women. I’m with Thursday — to me, she’s an 8.
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For a good primer on lesbian relationship dynamics, listen to some of Melissa Ethereidge’s songs, esp. from her first three albums.
Hardly any reference to looks or beauty of her partner / object of desire. Instead, you’ll find a hothouse of emotion, undefined yearning, obsessions, jealousy, self-immolation. Sample lyrics, form one of her calmer songs:
By the way, her early music has some good stuff. Good, hard heartland rock. The lesbian thing was kept vague enough for straight-appeal. “Similar Features” from her first album is sublime. It’s on her fourth and later albums that she started getting political and “activisty.”
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Dykes like two things: easily manipulated young things and hating men.
That’s why they become college professors.
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he liked pubic hair
Say, what?
Peter
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Dizzy
Apparently you think that some ideas are so threatening that they must not be addressed directly and honestly but instead by the standard feminist techniques of 1. Distort them and 2. Punish them.
Re 1 : No one said 14 year old girls were eager to have sex with them, the subject here has been their sexual attractiveness to men. You ignore the on-going discussion and try to change the subject to one that you would rather discuss because it puts women in a victim role. ie, your only comfort zone.
Re 2: You imply that “tolerance” should be withheld from this blog. This proves that you must be a vile feminazi because no other group in modern American society assumes that suppression of free speech would never eventually turn into a problem for them. No other group, with the partial exception of the far Christian right, has such fear and loathing of the !st Amendment.
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Dizzy still reading now that is scary.
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I think it’s interesting that you assume a 12-14 year old would enjoy sex with you. What, exactly, do you think you are offering
Who are you talking to?
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There is no 10 here.
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http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n50050533426343931005.jpg — 7/8?
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Other than Coldplay’s “Viva la Vida,” has there been a good rock song made this decade?
OK. O.A.R.’s “Shattered” is a good song. And I’ll grant that Kelly Clarkson and Katy Perry have some really catchy melodies, but is that all that this decade will be remembered for?
Say what you will about Grunge, or the general douchebagginess of Eddie Vetter, but ther has been nothing out since the early 90s that rises to Pearl Jam’s artistic stature.
Even 1980s throwaway band “Loverboy” is better than just about anything I can think of from the 2000s.
Am I wrong?
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The Asian’s a man.
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Why do people keep saying that the Asian is a man? If anything, she’s a sexbot. Her eyes are lifeless and unnatural-looking.
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Rain And’s mom is hot.
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Dizzy–
Ah the commissar has come in and called for shutting down, silencing and censoring, in blatant violation of the first amendment, one of the most popular anti rad feminist and yeah pickup blogs in the country. If not the most.
Big surprise.
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But Dizzy what if no one wanted to tolerate you?
Dizzy you have felt pain now understand that people feel pain whether they are rich, poor, succesful, not succesful, beautiful, ugly, tall, short, or any color or sex. Hope that makes you feel better. I think it may be a human condition. Which should help to look at other people as they are human beings which are just like us in at least one way.
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Yea doug listening to jakelli there still some benefits to living in the US.
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Like being able to say the asian chick is a man. Look ya bastards. I hope to god shes not a man. Anyway scary if a man was that pretty. I might become homophobic after this if that is the case.
The one good eye is trying to tell me the secret to the universe.
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PA
“The “Uncanny Valley” idea explains why we find vampires so fascinating. They are completely humanlike, even superior in beauty and inntelligence to humans in some versions of the legend, and yet more scary and repellent than any other mythical creature.”
I don’t think so, the uncanny valley has more to do with something approaching a human being repellant becasue the small flaws become more disturbing. Its why we can equate human traits and love to animals that are not even closely human, but feel repelled by the souless eyes of the kid in “Polar Express.”
It will be interesting to see if video games change this for the human population.
Vampires on the other hand represent something else entirely. There is a reason that women are obsessed with them far more than men.
They are about sexual submission. They are true alphas, that take and the little they give is the pleasure they receive from the total submission of the victim, the final relinquishment of all control.
Dizzy
“Why this city tolerates and encourages this crap mess of a blog is beyond me.”
I would not worry Dizzy, I suspect the blogs will start getting suppressed soon enough.
As for all the comments about obesity, it will probably not be too far in the future when people that have too high a BMI get taxed at a horrific rate. There are already proposals to do so, the call will get louder, so that “Medical costs can be contained” and for the “good of the people.”
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Other than Coldplay’s “Viva la Vida,” has there been a good rock song made this decade?
Coldplay’s Talk and Violet Hill are better. The Killers and The Strokes have put out a lot of good stuff. Arcade Fire’s Intervention. U2 have shown they’ve still got it with Electrical Storm and Vertigo. I actually think we’re doing OK for rock music.
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“Why this city tolerates and encourages this crap mess of a blog is beyond me.”
Maybe the same reason you read all the posts and over 300 comments…
Yep, you really hate this blog.
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twiceaday
Get over yourself, dork.
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Gak Flower:
Solid eightspot on your girl. I see the titties popping out.
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regarding rock music:
hip hop is in the same decade-long slump. i’m a hip hop head for sure, but right now trance music makes up about 90% of the playlist (the other 10% being CM fam-a-lam radio on thursday nights). new cam’ron on may 5th should be a treat though.
and about that IQ crack some troll made up top… i am sure the average levels on this board are off the charts. would like to see the ‘feministing’ equivalent though.
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Default User (missed your comment): Where is he?! I MISS HIM. Who will I use to constantly demonstrate the atrocity of beta plays (even when a female uses it) now? When you say ‘I would swim an ocean for you, my love’, I want you all to think of me and TJF. After the physical pain or negative reaction this causes, never do it again.
I’ll keep The Game in mind (what about Art of Seduction?).
Valentine’s day cards, romance, game: the point of them is purely relationship dynamics, it is all effort to please her for whatever purpose in mind.
Polish: From what I’ve observed, they just seem to have awesome genes legacy of a lot of recent natural selection with the wars/communist occupations. Someone else mentioned it, but my Pole friend expressed this as well (in relation to weightlifting championships and whatnot). Still, she demonstrates perfectly what looks are worshipped:. Young, young, young…
Feminists: Of course you know that all men are pedos at heart (stop denying it, all your feminist desires point to this). Accept them for who they are, and commend them for not acting on their vile desires, as well as suppressing/repressing them in this case.
The obsession of the internet geeks with ‘lolitas’ is shocking.
I’ve come into contact with too many child abusers and schoolgirl-lovers to think that it’s NOT in men’s nature to feel that the younger, the better. It doesn’t take a huge stretch to cross the acceptable ‘mature teen’ line…
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High school aged girls (14-17) definitively enjoy and are interested in having sexual intercourse with young men in their twenties. Girls below 12 are children and play with their barbies. Some 12-13 year old girls (the more developed ones) definitively seek intercourse with guys in their late teens (17-20 year olds). Since women at around 14 reach biological adulthood, age of consent should be set at 14. Some girls at 12-13 are ready for sex, but a lot aren’t, so the law must be cautious and protect the ones who aren’t ready, so AOC shouldn’t be below 14, and only for people below 18 it should be twelve.
By the way, Gannon’s favourite age for a woman is 16, and Gannon is NOT interested in girls below 14, although in this case g is obviously the ten.
Women used to marry in their teens. Reading gone by the wind gives good examples. Scarlett O’Hara was at the peak of her beauty at 16-17. Girls were allowed to attend dances at 14, because that was marriageable age. Feminism first two political goals were prohibition of alcohol and raising the age of consent. Americans were smart enough to end the prohibition (Roosevelt), which president will be smart enough to end the prohibition of marriage to nubile girls? The decline of marriage in the (western) world has a lot to do with turning nubile women into children and turning perimenopausal women into potential brides. Men aren’t really wired to fall deeply in love and marry women above 25, some exceptions aside.
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Yea but soft prohibition was brought back and making a lot of money. DUI
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Bhetti
“Feminists: Of course you know that all men are pedos at heart (stop denying it, all your feminist desires point to this). Accept them for who they are, and commend them for not acting on their vile desires, as well as suppressing/repressing them in this case.”
Here’s the thing Bhetti, women are attracted to 13+ year old males and are thus “pedos at heart” too. The simple biological fact is that once a member of the species is able to procreate, they are going to be attractive.
It is culture that puts a limit on when it is appropriate for biological adults (I am not saying emotional adults) to reproduce.
Before civilization, when a human life span was probably pushing it at 30, having children from thirteen on made sense for the survival of the species.
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Doug — Thursday’s Polish, so he lacks the gene variants that allow appreciation of flesh-melting Mediterranean pulchritude.
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The whole point of game — I thought — was to emphasise how little boys aren’t attractive to women…
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Cannon:
“hip hop is in the same decade-long slump. i’m a hip hop head for sure, but right now trance music makes up about 90% of the playlist ”
Finally something we can agree on.
I posed this question to Obsidian a little while back. In the past several decades it seems that whites have inflitrated black-dominated music genres. Rock and roll, blues, jazz, and even rap all began as “black” music in a sense; white musicians came onto the scene and started playing it.
This happened in hip-hop and rap. Recently though, hip hop and R&B has started sounding techno and electronica, taking sounds from white Europeans.
I’ve just wondered why the reversal of trend as of late.
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“Lawyer from Hell
“I would not worry Dizzy, I suspect the blogs will start getting suppressed soon enough.
As for all the comments about obesity, it will probably not be too far in the future when people that have too high a BMI get taxed at a horrific rate. There are already proposals to do so, the call will get louder, so that “Medical costs can be contained” “”
Yea the bad sides I wrestle with this shit. Since I learned that people in the us really don’t own their own houses. That even if they are paid off they still have to pay taxes. That really blew my mind at a young age. Then to be told I am free. How so? But yea the shit that was said about communism when I was younger starting to come to pass in us. I hope it never makes it all the way and the us still retains some rights of pursuit of happiness. Not just pursuit of health insurance.
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Some models have great figures… except their legs/rear which are completely undeveloped. Or they have great legs, body.. and REALLY skinny arms. That’s what comes from people ‘getting fit’ by working out. It works on the areas being worked on. Other areas? Completely undeveloped. So you have a patchwork quilt of hot-to-not. Or even if both parts are hot, it’s confusing to go from ‘fit’ hot to ‘slim’ hot. It’s a little weird.
In the past, women doing real physical labor were at least consistent across their body.
It breaks symmetry. And that leads to a real hit to attractiveness.
Then the anti-fatty craze pushed attractive to way less curves than appropriate. I know, overweight is bad. But a little over is better than a little under, but everyone pushes to be a little under.
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Bhetti
“The whole point of game — I thought — was to emphasise how little boys aren’t attractive to women…”
Game is about confidence, social skill, and social standing. It is not age specific.
You think all those moms go to high school sports events just to cheer on their sons?
Think again.
Watch the moms and who they watch. See the hunger in their faces.
How often do we hear of a high school, middle school or even elementary school female teacher getting caught with a student? Quite often.
I don’t care what town you’re in, every now and then you will hear about a couple getting divorced because the guy’s wife got caught sleeping with her son’s best friend.
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Jesus!
First, the Spanish girl, she’s beautifull and she rates between 7 and a 9 in the photos. And where she gets to the nine is not when it is all about her face. Catalan girls are nice though. I assure you that if you go out to Barcelona at night you *WILL FIND* MANY MORE GIRLS LOOKING AS HOT OR BETTER THAN HERS. It’s a tiny percentage of the girls, however there are thousands of them in Barcelona.
One boring night I got out here I found tens, literally, tens of 10 girls in the street.
Secondly, the two “Russian” girl: Damn! She has some nice exotic eyes but she looks them gypsy: a 6 in the first picture and a 4 in the second.
I highlight it again: A real life ten can become easily a less-than-a-ten in photos while some less-than-tens in real life probabily can become 10s through a photo. The correlation photo/reality is not that loyal.
Example: The girl I worship is a real life ten. In most of her photos she looks like an eight. In some photos she looks like a nine, in fewer photos she looks like a seven. In photos where she does not have chin, she looks chocingly between a four and a six.
On the other hand I have a friend that is too photogenic. She is a six, almost a seven but in pictures, she will usually look like an eight or a nine so I believe some 8s or 9s in real life can easily look like a ten in photos.
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Some models have great figures… except their legs/rear which are completely undeveloped.
If you want a great butt, date a dancer. If you watch any of the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Shows, the dancers have, on average, much better butts than the models. A lot of models don’t bother to do much exercise. Mostly they get away with it, but it shows in their butts.
An extreme example here from one of the most popular VS girls.
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Chuck:
“Recently though, hip hop and R&B has started sounding techno and electronica, taking sounds from white Europeans.”
Interesting observation. My short answer would be that music is getting altogether homogenized because it creates the most marketable product.
My friend once tried to break down the economics of mixtapes for me. Fringe, “underground” rappers, (Papoose, for example) can put out a mixtape every 6-9 months and reliably sell a certain amount of units to the niche market. At $5 a pop, this is better than a major label release as far as artist takehome income, even if you sell five times as many, which might not be a guarantee. (I made up these numbers but they don’t matter against the theme) Plus, the marketing budgets are nonexistent and samples/jacked beats don’t have to be paid for, so you are operating with a very minimal set of overheads. There’s no incentive NOT to put out a new mixtape as soon as possible because the demand is going to stay pretty constant, and new releases can actually make you seem MORE relevant. This will quickly dilute the quality of the music compared to when the old heavyweights used to wait three years between albums, or rappers would lay down 100 tracks and cut 85 of them.
Nowadays, the heavyweights have their exposure in the hip hop market, so their labels are just trying to expand the market share with crossover appeal. The results are tolerable to everyone and eclectic to no one.
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Dam lawyer from hell destroys bhetti’s pretty lie. There has got to be a list or something. Pretty Lie moments list.
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Thursday wrote:
If you want a great butt, date a dancer. If you watch any of the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Shows, the dancers have, on average, much better butts than the models. A lot of models don’t bother to do much exercise. Mostly they get away with it, but it shows in their butts.
End Thursday
Your link does show that.
However, quite a few dancers have very shapely legs and very thin arms. As I said, it’s a little weird for one part to be developed and others completely not.
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Lawyer From Hell: True, that’s not age specific. But my idea of guys at least pre-16 is that they’re still going to act clingy and Oedipean. The picture is this: main character in Spring Awakening was confident and so aggressive as to be a rapist/dom (depending on the director) but he still displayed behaviours like crying and clinging submissively to the female protagonist. Not attractive. Male sexual development generally occurs later, and you really can’t say a boy is sexually attractive to women until his voice deepens (around 15 yrs) and he has some proper musculature, as well as the attitude. While I hear about teachers — they tend to make international news — it seems like a rare phenomenon (thus it’s wide reportage). I haven’t heard of a teacher earlier than a boy of twelve but I accept that it happens with women. However: male pedos don’t make it to the news because they’re not news; I encounter them a lot, they’re common.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, it’s just that female sexuality is geared towards older men. Even though the characteristics themselves are not age-specific, they invariably occur in greater amounts with greater maturity and age. They are adult features and characteristics, not inherently boyish features. This is contrary to male sexuality and its pure unaldurated obsession with looks (plus influence of the media): clear skin & young body, fully sexually developed which makes the sexual attractiveness peak for women just at the end of their puberty. The media compounds this problem with emphasis on full and complete hairlessness as well as thinness, which goes more for pre-sexually developed looks! We can all pretend our genetics live independently in their own vacuum, obliviously uninfluenced by environment but that’s not true. A crucial part of humanity’s evolution is the ability to adapt and conform in order to form a society: our sexual desires are influenced by peers, the media, knowledge and social acceptability.
When we’re talking about this, age difference is important here: you must be at least 21, though I’m thinking of the older men and women when talking about this.
For a person at this age:
Pre-pubescent = pedo. Post – pubescent but not displaying full “secondary sexual characteristics” = pushing it, in the shady territory. All of this depends on each individual case and their own special rate of development, which can’t be really set at any one age.
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My biggest desire from 13 to about 15 was to have sex with, or at least see naked, an adult woman. Looking back, I’m thinking it was women 25-33 years old that I was so hot for. On a couple of ocassions I managed to see their titties (down blouse, etc.) but otherwise, it was an unfulfilled fantasy. Too bad…
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Guys in London would not divorce their wives for such silly reasons; they’d be lucky to see their money or their children again!
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Gunslinger: Haha, still waiting on the facy that all men are evil to be disproved (I kid, I kid… I think.)
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Oh yeah, and once when I was 11 my parents’ friend — an attractive woman of about 35 — changed from her normal clothes into a swimsuit in front of me. I saw the breasts, but she turned to her side when removing her panties, so I coaught only a little bit of her bush. (My parents weren’t around.)
And around a year later, another attractive adult female walked around her house where my sisters and I were visiting in sheer panties and bra, through which I could see everything.
Gawd, that was hot! still is…
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PA: I will never look at an eleven year old boy the same way again. Shit, my sister is that age.
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You didn’t miss out PA I lost my virginity to one. It was mechanical no love. She was I guess looking back technically good in bed.
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Eleven or twelve is a wonderful age to be a boy. Starting to feel the desires, but still able to get away with so much 😉
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This happened in hip-hop and rap. Recently though, hip hop and R&B has started sounding techno and electronica, taking sounds from white Europeans.
I’ve just wondered why the reversal of trend as of late.
Several reasons:
1) Our low IQ means that we’ve run out of ideas and that we must crawl back to whites for an idea.
2) Gentrification and suburbanization means more exposure for blacks to white people music.
3) White people have finally made music that black people like?
4) Smart black people who’d create new music now have boring, uncreative good-paying jobs instead of being unemployed.
Of course, given Britney Spears and Madonna’s de facto ventures as pop dance singers, I suspect hip hop is simply following that trend. Once pop music escapes being dance-oriented with somewhat electronica beats wane in popularity, I suspect that hip hop will leave that too.
“The whole point of game — I thought — was to emphasise how little boys aren’t attractive to women…”
Those boys have 10 times the game of the average adult beta male.
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Gunner: it’s probably for the best I didn’t have sex with one at that age. It’s one thing to see a godlike woman nude, with all the fires going off in my head, and probably another thing to be goaded into copulating with her… the smell of sex alone might be too scary and wierd for a kid.
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DA: I wondered why you spend so much time at HBD blogs, being that they promote ideas you find scary. Why not hang out at leftie blogs instead? Then it occurred to me: lefties are more scary. Even (especially?) to someone like you. Would you agree?
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Yea nice to have an older sister. When their friends sit in your lap and your like ok this is interesting but what do I do now.
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Yea I found out why she didn’t have a soul later when she was talking about already having 2 abortions and I think my have been one of my first experiences with a feminist lol
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Not my sisters friend that was innocent she was cuddly.
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“Game” is just a short word to describe the art of seeing human mating-nature as it is; not as we have been taught, or would prefer to believe.
A codicil would be that modern PC thought patterns have drifted so far from bedrock truth in this regard that most of what gets put out as wise/expert opinion is criminally misleading. Real people can have their lives wrecked by believing the advice found in mainstream popular culture.
See, CH et al are true humanitarians. The goal is to give women what they need and point the way for other guys to do the same. What is not to like?
Camille Paglia is a great source of wisdom for this sort of thing. She has some great lines about what it takes for there to be hot sex and how that leads to the making of healthy children. Civilization itself depends on clarity about these matters.
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There’ve been some great odes to heroin in Rock music (I’ve never done the drug myself). Velvet Underground’s “Heroin,” U2’s “Bad,” Pink Floyd’s “Comfortably Numb.”
Just thinking about this since Thursday mentioned U2 a few comment’s back. Whose best album is without a doubt “Achtung Baby.” It’s hard to do better than “Who’s Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses.”
And in 1992 I broke up with with one of the hottest girls I’ve ever been with but who was more trouble whan she’s worth after listening to the lyrics of So Cruel:
The song ended with the words
It hit home.
Zooropa is also great in a quirky sort of way. Always liked the haunting “Stay (Faraway, So Close!)”
David might like “Babyface” (heh!)
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pa allright when I was second grade I caught a glance of miss laramies panties from my spot on the ground playing. Hotness. Still didn’t know what to do with that knowledge though he he he My memory of the past is freakish. wtf
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I am also pretty sure he could do a post about mens high school days and experiences with experienced older woman.
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I disappeared in you
You disappeared from me
I gave you everything you ever wanted
It wasn’t what you wanted
The song ended with the words
To stay with you
I’d be a fool
Dam man
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Gunner – one of the most powerful ballads. It’s on Youtube. Check it out.
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End of the day it is still your woman that I think makes this planet worthwhile for men. Have it all but no real woman with a soul untouched by too much trauma that affects her badly its all just inannimate objects.
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interesting …
I found black girl slightly prettier than the asian girl. But I k knew folks would rank asian girl higher because of asianness despite being slightly above average – like a 5-6
picked the model/actress as 10 – clearly
also knew despite averageness of face big boob girl would rank really high despite being like 6.
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“I am also pretty sure he could do a post about mens high school days and experiences with experienced older woman.”
I am relatively close to fuck my Philosophy’s teacher. If only she was more beautifull…
It’s almost three o’clock in the night and she is telling me online how her boyfriend does not “do it for her”…
I considered her but, that hair in their arms pushed me away… I’ll keep with my virginity… I think.
I mean, I hope next friday I’ll fuck two tens, a blonde and one burnette but I also think that is highly unlikely.
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Dizzy – you really are a broken record. (For the record, I am personally uncomfortable with the discussion of 13 or 14 year old girls, but I just ignore it like many things on theinternet. I don’t think I could be attracted to a girl under 16.) Nevertheless, freedom of speech is important. My question to Dizzy is why does she hate men so much? That fact can probably explain a lot of things in her life. And her comment explains the truth that man-hating feminists hate freedom of speech, and will work to take it away at every turn (you know, besides their support for breaking up families and killing unborn children).
The women fucking boys things is very odd because most teenage girls kind of like older boys. But it does happen in some cases, so I guess the attraction can be there. Maybe teachers’ instincts make them more likely to want to “teach” other subjects.
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More lyrics from U2’s So Cruel:
Those last two lines especially. The rawest description of the kind of fumbling around with love and hurt that comes with being in one’s teens and early 20s. I know exactly the feeling.
But past that age? You don’t really feel this. For one, you don’t let yourself get so exposed. Having the kind of confidence that comes with being over thirty, knowing Game, avoiding women who are trouble…
… besides, the kind of desperation that the song conveys sits badly on an older guy. It’s kind of pathetic if you’re over 25. But a huge part of the kinds of things you feel at 20.
They say that poetry is dead. Nah, the best poets today write rock lyrics.
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once when I was 11 my parents’ friend — an attractive woman of about 35 — changed from her normal clothes into a swimsuit in front of me. I saw the breasts, but she turned to her side when removing her panties, so I caught only a little bit of her bush.
Today, tragically, there would have been nothing to see :((
Peter
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lol peter
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I never got a teacher (: but yea an alpha male is an alpha male if its about fucking. The much older woman aren’t looking for you to take care of them, have your kids, or buy them a house. They are looking to get fucked. Dude I knew was fucking married woman right and left. Still in hs.
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Even (especially?) to someone like you. Would you agree?
It’s more fun to be a contrarian. 🙂
Actually, while I’m more likely to speak out at Half Sigma or here at this place as a contrarian, I tend to keep my mouth quiet at Marginal Revolution, Megan McArdle, or Matt Yglesias place especially since one needs to play intellectual hardball to be accepted there. Otherwise, I tend to play around here because it’s easier, or I play around amateur policy issues at SubChat or engage in the slice of life blogs.
Mind you, as one of my favourite professors once noted, for somebody who calls himself a “Socialist”, I can come across as moderate and pragmatic.
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Randall Parker: How can everyone be so sure those breasts aren’t real? Maybe they aren’t. But are you sure?
Her breasts “start” too high on her body.
Also, look at the tops of her breasts, at the round shape. Women with natural large breasts don’t look like that.
e.g.
http://www.shejailbait.com/654
http://www.shejailbait.com/1110
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DA, I’ve been doing some thinking about the sexbot thing, and I came up with a solution that is even better:
Virtual Virtual Reality
It works something like a website with avatars, only it’s 3d, and you wear encounter suits instead of keyboards. Everyone can adjust their appearance to what they wish it was, and log in and have “sex”.
This way you’re doing it with the minds of actual women (or people anyway), but it’s totally casual sex with no risk except maybe the encounter suit malfunctioning.
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LOL Kthul
I think you should make that. Then just hook into part of the brain that makes the orgasm happen and you can trigger your partners over and over. Said it before but you know like the tests they did on monkeys waaaayyy back in the day. No stimulations of organs required to orgasm. Or the beta “device” give any woman mind blowing sex (maybe literally). Just hook her up to the “device” The beta pumps away and she looks at him as god. Problem solved. Feel free to patent that and make a billion. Then the beta will get off because she is getting off. Win Win. Or yea the suits could make them both get off. Whatever. Then you have beta supermen walking the earth making more crazy ass shit like that. Or make the doll with the “device” and the dude can fuck the doll and just like every minute or so look there goes another orgasm. Would work even if flacid. kthul do a little research on the monkey test where they put switch for food and switch to have orgasm. The monkey died of starvation but we are human so might be able to break away for food or whatnot. This is why inventors die poor because they do not give a shit about making money off of there inventions they just want someone to use it. Tend to think better with no sleep.
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PA:
“Other than Coldplay’s “Viva la Vida,” has there been a good rock song made this decade?
OK. O.A.R.’s “Shattered” is a good song. And I’ll grant that Kelly Clarkson and Katy Perry have some really catchy melodies, but is that all that this decade will be remembered for?
Say what you will about Grunge, or the general douchebagginess of Eddie Vetter, but ther has been nothing out since the early 90s that rises to Pearl Jam’s artistic stature.
Even 1980s throwaway band “Loverboy” is better than just about anything I can think of from the 2000s.
Am I wrong?”
There isn’t enough time to tell you all the good stuff out there.
Anything by “Buck Cherry” not played on the radio for start. Most of it can’t be. How about the “Fuck Yous”. Hell, even some of the “White Stripes” gets back to raw rock even if the 2 man-band was done better by “Local H”, a great rock act.
It is somewhat harder to find real music today because you need to look outside of traditional channels. I mostly listen to heavy shit anyway. Slipknot’s “All Hope is Gone” has made a fantastic soundtrack during my current deployment to Kabul, Afghanistan.
Which gets me on the sore subject of “Desert Queens”, aka “Deployment Queens”. If you think American chicks are bad in their natural habitat, get a few 4,5, and 6s living around around tons of fit young men with nothing to do.
Holy fuck.
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As one of my female coworkers put it they come over here to be 10’s for a little while anyway. Then when a ten comes though it kind of fucks up the rotation.
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Sounds like Alaska.
Except worse, because Alaska isn’t pressured to accept women who couldn’t get into Alaska if they were men of equal ability and fitness.
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nice play on words 87 so true.
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White Stripes?
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Anyone else notice the plethora of asian female officers?
5′ nothing and running a company. Had one before I left running the engineer company my squad was attached to. These were the guys who would break through the front line. No other woman just the one lol
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That is setting up all kind of wrong scenarios in a real war.
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Even in future war that is basically a video game. In df2 I killed this chick a 150 times or so one night (one on one). Then I get her number and she was ready to fuck. But yea all kinds of wrong.
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A woman can only write paper or kill a man she cannot physically impose her will on one. No wall to wall counseling. No instilling of respect based on the fact that this dude (drill seargent) (talking to you could run you into the ground and jog the last 5 miles of a 10 mile road march while carrying a bigger pack than you (with you). Hence why I could reverse break a female drill seargent she couldn’t take it to the next level and was not capable of doing what I was capable of doing. When she could not physically break me. I was able to do for hours and hours whatever physical tasks she thought up. Still don’t know if she left or was made to leave. Not that the dudes could break me either but they did run the last 5 miles with me.
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Also, fur-smile (which sounds suspiciously like a Peter-friendly term for pussy) is only an 8 with her hair down. With her hair back, as in the pic … let’s just say I’d have to inspect her hands and (hopefully lack of) Adam’s apple closely.
(b) would score 0 on fuckability if it weren’t for her ample bosom.
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He should treat the difference between looks and sex appeal in more detail, if he even appreciates that difference.
I certainly don’t mean to resuscitate a dead horse, but Toccara from a few posts back is VERY fuckable, even if she’s on the “healthy” side.
I don’t even understand the concept of wanting to fuck a girl who looks like #(g), let alone feel that desire myself. Not only does she look like an alien, but she looks like she hasn’t even finished junior high.
She’d be cute to watch in “Swan Lake”, but she’d actually deflate an erection for me.
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DA — What the HELL is the matter with you? How can you say the things you say when Black Americans created, collectively, the greatest run of music, in composing and performing, from roughly 1890 to 1965, perhaps outshined (and if then by a slim margin) only by Mozart to Beethoven! I mean, REALLY.
My God Man! From Scott Joplin, to King Oliver, to Jelly Roll Morton (NEVER an Uncle Tom, despite that idiot August Wilson’s obscene slanders) to LOUIS! to Ellington to Hampton to Davis to Bunk Johnson, to Coltrane and the Marsalis family, father and three brothers. AND THAT’S JUST JAZZ!
The decline of Black culture, which had reached heights known only to Mozart and Beethoven, in just 40 years, musically at least, stands as one of America’s greatest tragedies.
I’m sorry, this has to be said. You seriously need to listen to some Joplin and then Miles Davis. Followed by “Loved Ones,” by Ellis and Branford Marsalis (the single greatest Jazz album in the last twenty years). Only men of gigantic talent and intelligence produce such works.
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Re: the pictures, it’s very, very hard to judge fine gradations of attraction, and I’ve known women who photographically seemed not all that hot but in person drove guys wild, I mean totally wild, to the consternation of their prettier rivals. They generally had an air of innocence.
And on the flip side, I’ve met women in meetings, who were various “hot” indie musicians, they were attractive but nothing that moved me, and their photos were out of this world.
Photoshop can conceal a lot of sins, as can clever angles and so on. A woman’s beauty is the sum total of her personality, judgment, behavior, moods, and particularly voice and expression. I’ve known women with “that voice” who while pretty also drove men wild, just because of it, over more physically perfect rivals.
Re: Teen girls. It’s important to remember that SWPL status games are at play here. NO ONE complains about teen and pre-teen marriage by Muslims, particularly in the West. NO ONE complains when Black or Hispanic girls get pregnant at age 14, 15, 16, etc. NO ONE CARES. It’s only SWPL stuff about who is the cool guy and status games among and around Yuppie White Women.
An interesting comparison is the attitudes towards teen sex with older guys in Britain. Routinely, in criminal case after criminal case, teen girls 14-15-16 are involved with guys 15 years their senior, sexually. It’s reported in the Press. Yet ZERO prosecutions, and the people involved are all White (no PC-shield for minorities, or abject fearful submission to violent Muslims). WHY?
Because in Britain, rapidly no one cared either about White Underclass men with girls 15 or so.
From a guy’s perspective, I don’t think you build healthy societies when older guys monopolize teen girls. That’s usually one of the big red flags pointing towards “BIG MAN” syndrome, where the BIG MAN has everything, and everyone else gets his patronage crumbs.
Yes Teen Boys are often clueless, fumbling, and so on, but they have to learn with someone, and who better but their age peers, in non-sexual relationships? It’s better for the girls, they get to see up close and personal boys flaws and strengths while raw sex appeal gets removed from the equation, which will inform their lives after their early forties anyway. Since they’ll have forty years of that, they might as well figure it out now.
And it’s good for the guys, because it lays down patterns of success and a belief in positive outcomes with girls, instead of requiring Gurus to teach them how to pick up women years later after miserable failure is engraved in their brains. [Apologies to CH.] This roughly describes society before Game was required for men to be successful with women.
A few extraordinary teen girls, who by their profession (actress) and high earning power, become defacto adults around 16, and seemed to have few problems: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Amber Tamblyn, Eliza Dushku, Alyson Hannigan, Michelle Trachtenberg, Amanda Bynes are all well adjusted, high-earning professionals.
Who interestingly enough lived in a “pre-Modern” world in that childhood was relatively short, they were expected to act like adults around 12 or so, doing an adult’s job (memorizing gobs of lines, mature performances), often in “grind em out” soaps or Disney kids shows. This is no shock — early doses of responsibility tend to produce more of it, as kids grow older, as long as it’s not overdone, kids are focused on a craft/profession, and so on. The sort of apprenticeship model that characterized life until the Twentieth Century.
As a practical matter though, I would not base social policy on the exceptions of “pre-Modern” life. Very few young girls after all earn millions of $$ each year, are expected and demanded to be responsible, and have a long, 50 year career path in front of them.
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1. Asian Sexbot: Weird looking, but kind of interesting, which is more than I can say for . . .
2: Dime a Dozen Orange County Girl: Why waste your money here when you could break out the inflatable doll, which offers the added bonus of more stimulating post-coital conversation.
3: French Fry Girl: Cute, wholeseome looking, but a little mischievous, with clever eyes. Wish I’d known her in ’77, when I was 17. But then I might be the father of some dude commenting here, which would leave me feeling distinctly uncomfortable.
4. Manhattan Model: Scarifying smile and Croydon facelift make her more an object of terror than desire. She would, however, make a perfectly presentable looking guy.
7. Porcelain Teen: Beautiful, but the in the bloodless manner other have already pointed out. She doesn’t necessarily inspire lust, but you can’t help but admire the bone structure and gemstone eyes. A fine piece of God’s handiwork, but not necessarily a piece of ass.
All Others: When you can’t say something nice about someone . . . .
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Bhetti, lynch
Behtti:
My comment was held in moderation. After approval it does not go to the bottom where new posts go. It goes to its original posting time position. This means that if you skip to the last comment you will miss moderated comments that have been admitted (they will appear higher up the page).
This brings me to…
Moderation is caused by various filters designed to catch trolls and spam. Examples are: too many URLs (more than 3?), certain keywords, and (perhaps) too much HTML formatting in your comment.
The one that caught my reply to Behtti was related to her great love, a recently departed (ahem) poster.
[think major Asian city, founder of the Christian religion, and that thing you do with you hand before you punch someone].
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Comment above (from Anonymous at 8.06am) is mine.
Checking that your name is in the Name: box before submitting is beta.
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rain and’s mom is the person i’d most want to hang out with on that list. i know this is about hotness and everything but she looks like the coolest chick there no contest. fur smile is pretty but she looks on the verge of eating the photographer’s face.
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how did this turn into a music discussion? besides anyone who doesn’t give foo fighters there due, has no clue about quality music and needs to stfu…
dougjn, yup, I meant the inner sanctum of the blog, not “in her” (shaggy) sanctum.
…related to that gnp topic, anyone have thoughts about:
extra large Lab lips
-being a turn on or turn off? I can’t stand the shagged out roast beef sandwiches. may be worthy of another theory – whatcha got on that?
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add me to the consensus:
I gave the overly-airbrushed model my 10, because I felt like ought to – in real life she’d probably be quite pretty – but I didn’t find myself attracted to her all. Perhaps when she gets older her beauty will get sexier.
Rain And’s mom nearly edged her out for the top spot.
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By limiting the sample size to 10 you are forcing people to agree with your opinion that each rank from 1 to 10 is present in that sample.
A better survey would to put up 4-5 pics of each rank, totaling 40-50 pics that include 1s to 10s according to you and let readers pic their 10 ranks (1 to 10).
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There is only one voting result that really surprises me, and yes that its far at variance to my own. I find it just WRONG in fact. But first for reference, here is how the votes have gone so far, and this looks to be stable:
a) asian girl = 6
b) saki bottle = 9
c) french fry/ma Rain = 7
d) fur collar NYC smile = 8
e) red berret /coffee = 2
f) blk sweater,wool skt = 3
g) green eyed doll face =10
h) black girl = 5
i) ugly redhead glasses = 1
j) chipmunk red spandrels = 4
The fur collar woman is just too high. I in fact voted Rain’s mom as my 9, saki girl my 8, and fur collar 7. However, I realize I get no support for ranking french fry/Rains mom (an obvious fun loving mischievous good girl hottie in downscale un-sexy garb) over luscious tits submissive looking saki bottle. (Not that I didn’t like saki too. Oh I could have fun with HER.) That just WON’T fly in these numbers. OK, ok.
But fur collar. Fur collar is just way to high here. What gives?? Fur collar is just way too hard looking, especially since she isn’t beautiful, just handsome looking. Yeah she could be an exciting if tempestuous (bitch drama) fling, but that’s strickly alpha territory which her aging looks should barely earn her (but in the RW even in peripheral model circles probably do. Though I bet she does a lot of married man side flings.) She’s a disaster for any higher beta and wouldn’t give him the time of day ever anyway, except as a meal ticket. If she marries a rich one, she’ll eviscerate him and leave him for dog meat, which is in fact what I see in her immediate future. I know we’ve voting on beauty and not character. But the hardness and lack of femininity is written all over her face. I’d like to see HER digit ratio. High T a little, anyone?
What are you people thinking?
As well I suspect the peasant garb of french fry/young hottie ma Rain before Pa nabbed her put people off. Makes her look more plain, when she isn’t a plain girl at all. She looks to me in fact to be a near perfect good girl / marriage material sort, blonde division. Not so incredibly hot (a 10) that she’s just impossibly tempted by superalphas no matter how little she throws off the vibe post commitment/ marriage, but damn hot. Yes, I think she is a real world, or absolute (not constrained by where she falls in a small selected group) 8.
I’d make fur collar “character” model a RW 7, who might have formerly been an 8 in her twenties.
I seriously wonder whether an influx of women voters might have tipped the scale for fur collar. Women do not properly have a voice in these female beauty polls at all. They aren’t polls as to how the public at large will rank female beauty, but rather how men do. Full stop.
Fur collar character model is after all exactly the sort of intelligent, sophisticated looking career woman that most career obsessed female voters would most want to see place higher in the beauty sweepstakes than men themselves will generally put them. The influx of a couple hundred female voters rounded up from jezebel and associated or whereever female sites that got wind of this poll would do it. That’s not exactly a difficult thing to do.
Or maybe not. Guy reactions?
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500 comments on this post?
Jesus you people are pathetic no lifers!
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yup
500 comments on this post?
Jesus you people are pathetic no lifers!
^^Winner of today’s Total Lack of Self Awareness Award.
Congratulations.
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So the 13 year old girl was the egg?
I thought it was the Asian one that toykoanalfisting thought was a 10.
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Doug, good comments on Fur Collar girl. High-T femmes have their primal appeal — the drama thing — and like you said, it’s alpha territory.
Woe unto a beta that tries to tangle with one. That’s where you get young guys killing themselves over them, or older married betas leaving their perfectly good wives for them. And a meal-ticket beta who marries one will be eaten alive.
In Clio’s now-classic taxonomy, they are known as the Amazonian Alphas.
Rain And’s mom/ fry girl (c) is lovely.
The saki-bottle blonde, to reiterate my earlier comment, is ruined by her fake boobs. I repeat – I don’t get the appeal. It’s a damn pair of prosthetics! It makes as much sense as attaching a silicone extension to your dick!
But she’s otherwise a cute girl, though it’s hard to discern her personality.
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When I saw the fir coat chicks hair doesn’t do it for me. Like she definetly purposely dropped out of being thought of as womanly. Kind of like the chicks who lay their womanhood at the foot of “career” Hey it works I didn’t think of her as a woman.
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Also it is the husbands duty to tell his wife she looks like shit when she comes home with no hair from the salon. Tell her to grow it back out. After the tears and it grows back she will thank you. Plus she won’t listen to the jealous gay dude that short hair is in style after he cuts part of her head extra short. Plus she will actually watch the next fucker who wants to turn her into a short haired freak. You need to tell her the truth. But I guess if your woman having a crew cut is sexy to you then by all means tell her it looks great.
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DA — What the HELL is the matter with you?
Actually, that portion of the comments has a bit of sarcasm that was probably lacking in wit to become evident, particularly first reason listed. The second and third reason may have a bit of truth and in them.
It’s better for the girls, they get to see up close and personal boys flaws and strengths while raw sex appeal gets removed from the equation, which will inform their lives after their early forties anyway. Since they’ll have forty years of that, they might as well figure it out now.
I’d argue that would just simply make the situation even worse. The problem is that once the girls meet alphas in high school and compare them with the beta boys, you’ll simply end up with girls who realize that the beta boys make for awful clumsy boyfriends, and once they realize that the beta males may end up this way for the next 60 years, alpha males become even more enticing. To a teenage girl, finding out that an optimistic David Alexander or some other dweeb down the hall is what you’ll end up with is only indictment against marriage.
but they have to learn with someone, and who better but their age peers, in non-sexual relationships?
I thought that’s what cougars were designed for.
Woe unto a beta that tries to tangle with one.
If marrying her was a ticket to my kids having an IQ of 125 and a ticket to Harvard, I’d put up with a sexless marriage where she berates me. At least my kids will become members of the upper class for my sacrifices.
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Agree, anonymous. I’d put the true rankings somewhere around 1-4, 3 of them around 5-6, and 3 of them around 8. Forcing a 1-10 ranking results in an understandable lack of agreement over who the 8, 9 and 10 is.
I had a hell of a time picking a ten out of that selection, as none of them fit my tastes, though Rain And’s mom was the closest.
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Dizzy –
This really deserves no further response aside from mocking your commissar shrieking to shut this wildly popular pro game and gender realism, and anti-radical feminism, blog down. That I’ve already done. But I’ll say one thing more:
No one on this site ever imagined anyone older than a twenty something seducing any entrant in this web beauty contest who was thought to be any younger than a late teen. Got that? It’s clear as day in the threads. Further one commenter said that regardless of how seducible the beauty who won might be by a twenty something, that she looked so innocent that he shouldn’t even try for a short term fling. Not right. That one commenter would be me.
In fact when the idea dawned that the solution to his “evil” Easter egg challenge might be that she was younger than the very early twenties or late teens we’d imagined, and then some went off web detecting and at length found proof of who she was and that indeed she was 13 (amazingly), we were widely shocked. As any reading of the comments will make clear.
You really are desperate to try anything to slow the momentum of this place, aren’t you dizzy?
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A is a man. I’m 85% sure that she was not born a woman.
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It’s a gloomy overcast day around here, summer feels a long way off, but that doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy some GNP on the beach.
Peter
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chic noir
That’s an extremely disturbing thought Chic, because every time I look at her again I think, yeah, I’d hit that.
I just looked again after seeing your remark to check, and I though could it be? Meanwhile I was thinking: “Yeah, I’d hit that”.
Naaah. I can’t believe you’re right. I don’t get a muscline vibe off her at all.
I get far more of one off of skads of black women with sizeable tits and ass, or even big ones both.
Like the Williams sisters for example. If you told me one or both of them were trannies I got, well sure. Thought so.
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agreed A was born a man – far more insidious than a underage model’s face pic.
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Bhetti:
“I haven’t heard of a teacher earlier than a boy of twelve but I accept that it happens with women. However: male pedos don’t make it to the news because they’re not news; I encounter them a lot, they’re common.”
Here’s the thing that you need to consider. Since puritain times, our culture has viewed men as strong willed, while morally weak and women as weak willed and morally strong. It persists today with the idea that a man “made” a woman do something bad. A lot of american feminism can find its source all the way back to the Puritans. Pedestalism has been with us since the start.
It has only been recently that a woman could be seen as a sexual predator and that the boys could be victims (whether they saw themselves as victims or not, which is a completely different topic). It is still widely believed that women just don’t do this, except for small abnormal isolated incidents.
With time, there will be more and more allegations of women being pedaphiles as strange behavior that was once overlooked, ignored or simply not noticed because of people’s frame becomes noticed. Since the shift in this view has only really begun in the last ten-fifteen years.
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OK, DA, I get it.
One more thing about feminists and young girls and sex.
Feminists DEFEND young girls having sex with older guys, considerably older guys, as long as they are Alpha. You can probably see this best in “Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
In the early seasons, Buffy’s (much older) boyfriend goes on a murder rampage, and a flashback shows a VERY young looking Buffy (explicitly labeled at 15 years old) being ogled by her boyfriend from a limousine. This is presented as heroic and “star-crossed” love. Female fans in particular LOVED THIS.
Dizzy’s objections are not that teen girls have sex with (much older) guys, rather that non-Alpha guys have sexual desires AT ALL. Feminist stuff like “Buffy,” or “Towelhead” or “Hound Dog” or what have you routinely present young teen girls having sex as “empowering” as long as they control older and very much Alpha guys. It’s degrading only when the guy is “Beta.”
This is really what that’s all about: women hating beta men. Feminists were over the moon when Clinton was banging a girl as young as his daughter. Feminists LOVE indie films where the underage female protagonists controls some Alpha older dude (a common theme in those movies).
Contrary to David A, I think this hatred of beta men can be eradicated through constant exposure and romantic (but no sex) involvement with beta guys by closing off teen girls ability to pursue older Alpha guys. Forcing them into making decisions about guys based on stuff other than raw testosterone driven sex appeal, and for guys giving them modes of success romantically (again with no sex).
Romance is far too important to be left to simply chance, or create massive classes of losers, a few winners, and the inherent risk of violence such an imbalance and lack of investment it creates.
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Yea lawyer from hell imagine if the media was realeased on these woman. Like with the priest thing and a couple of movies were made. Yea millions of guys come out the woodwork. And no statute of limitation. Would be some wild irony.
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Bhetti and Lawyer from Hell:
first Hellish Lawyer said:
To which Bhetti remarked:
*Cough*. So let me get this right. You’re saying Bhetti that in Britain the remedy have have to use as a stick (supplemented one always hopes of course on both sides in marriage by lots of carrots) against his wife giving into temptation and rutting with various high school boys or other guys who get her loins hot and moist is to divorce her and to lose his money and his kids in the process? That’ll teach her. And that your take on this state of affairs is that men who try to use or threaten any stick at all against their wife’s actual or temptation to commit perhaps massive adultery is that they’re being “silly” and should just grin and bear it?
Have I got that right? What do you think of that state of affairs to the extent that it’s true, and I fear that it is there to roughly the same degree that it is here, only there’s less grinning and bearing it here. Perhaps that’s why England seems to be the current world leader in rates of accepting male cuckoldry.
And Mr. Lawyer from Hell — what to you make of that hellish state of affairs in this country, or whatever state of affairs in these situations you think does exist. What should a man do who discovers not that his wife has had one dalliance and been willing to give it up when discovered, but won’t, or has had many. Just what sticks can men who earn substantially more say 3x as much as their part time working wives with two kids ages 2 and 4 do in a situation like I describe.
No that doesn’t remotely describe any situation I am or ever have been in, but it does seem to me to rather well encapsulate the extreme perils for men contemplating marriage to day in either America, Britain, or Australia. But I’ll just ask you about America.
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And of course there would be big incentive to make that happen for lawyers from hell lol since there would be some big dollar signs attached to something like that. The change in the face of norms would promote buldges of cash in the pockets of lawyers.
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Lawyer from Hell
I doubt it. Except in the sense that any change in rates of noticing from e.g. 0.01% occurrence in women to something higher is going to be a big percentage change upwards.
In other words I think it’s the rare woman who’s attracted to boys just past puberty. To be crude about it their weewees and muscles tend to the tiny size for one thing.
Now when you get to high school boys especially of the jock variety thorugh college and early twenties, sure skads of older women are attracted often but not exclusively on a pure sex basis to these ever ready bunnies with tons of testosterone even if they are in serious need of sexual schooling. They can have, the studlier ones and for the older of this group a lot of the middling ones, a lot of attractive bull qualities from the perspective of say a mid or late thirties woman, or one in her forties.
The problems tend to be that she will have diffiuculty attracting the alpha guys of this age group, at least once they’re in college or older where tons of girls their own age and younger are putting out easily, and will have difficulty with any of these guys even the betas in getting them to commit for any length of time. Although middling betas might out of desperation these days.
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Cannon’s canon new cam’ron on may 5th should be a treat though.
Cam’ron dude cam’ron? Are you serious??? Listen to some Lupe Fiasco and get back to me.
Dougjn That’s an extremely disturbing thought Chic, because every time I look at her again I think, yeah, I’d hit that.
Don’t be shocked at your reaction. A very good looking tranny or drag queen can do that to even the str8est man. The person who posted the pic agreed that A is probably a man. Her brow bone is sort of thick for a woman.
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Whiskey —
That’s an interesting point Whiskey and has a lot of truth to it. I don’t think it’s entirely true. Yes I think many feminists and particularly their supporters on the left feel just as you describe. But I think there ARE a lot of feminists who are disturbed by older Muslim or black or whatever groups having sex with young teens from these groups. For them there just are other competing considerations, of the left coalition, i.e. multiculturalism that require supporting or anyway non interference of the cultural byways of these groups.
That whole comment in fact struck me as highly perceptive and first rate. I’ve always thought your core message was strong , but that you frequently went off and sometimes way off in implausible ways around the many edges you have touched on. But I think you’ve been refining your message. It’s getting stronger and clearer. Kudos.
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Depends on the State. An adult female with a male under 16 will get you a charge of sexual intercourse without consent in some states. That’s old enough by your “standards” dougjnn to get plenty in trouble.
You still want to believe women are somehow better than men. Your rationale for why women wouldn’t want a little boy, is the same reason the vast majority of men don’t want little girls. There is no attraction.
There are still some out there that are truly warped.
“And Mr. Lawyer from Hell — what to you make of that hellish state of affairs in this country, or whatever state of affairs in these situations you think does exist. What should a man do who discovers not that his wife has had one dalliance and been willing to give it up when discovered, but won’t, or has had many. Just what sticks can men who earn substantially more say 3x as much as their part time working wives with two kids ages 2 and 4 do in a situation like I describe.”
Don’t get married. It’s a fools game. It’s like playing roulette, except you have to hit “00” to win otherwise you lose.
If you’re married and she’s cheating on you, you have two choices: Take it and destroy your soul, or be a man and leave, taking what ever lumps that come your way.
You will be happier if you take option two.
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Whiskey
As well I thought this bit was particularly brilliant:
I’ve always know this was a factor, but you’re putting this starkly, while a bit of an exaggeration (many feminists particularly older ones will still have problems with much older ALPHAs playing with teen or especially young teen girls), gains a whole lot of clarity. Yes indeed.
Further it is true that a mid or later twenties beta guy of the sort that has some social standing and some social skills, just not enough of either to make it into alphahood or maybe enough on the status side to make it into higher beta either, will often be PLENTY attractive to a lot of teen girls, particular in the 14-17 area, and especially those that don’t run really tightly with a pack. It’s exactly this phenomenon, which if allowed to blossom freely would, that feminists wanted to screw down on just as losened sexual mores made it more likely that younger teens would mess around if they found a sufficiently impressive enough guy to them to do it with. Feminist were determined to keep older beta boys from reaping this “unfair power advantage” due to high relative age gaps from changing the course of these girls lives and enticing them to perhaps actually marry such a beta right out of high school or some such. The horrors. Well it was for feminists.
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A was submitted by tokyojesusanalfist….there’s no way for him to know if it was a man or not….she looks more like a robot than anything else….actually i think i was just watching some hentai porn, and she was in it
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Lawyer from Hell–
I completely agree with all of this and have been advising guys here to not get married for a long time now, or if they must, to get a pre-nup that as much as possible re-creates the economic effects of having not got married but instead living together in non common law marriage states. Recognizing that nothing in a pre-nup is gonna save you from state more or less formula child support = alimony in substantial part extractions.
But this is a sad state of affairs. Particular the parts that militate against having kids in or out of marriage in the Anglosphere.
Do you see any progress anywhere in changing these laws, or in steps that can be taken in that direction>
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This is really what that’s all about: women hating beta men.
Whiskey, you’re probably on the right tract with this, but how do you explain the ubiquity of the “asshole jock” character who always gets his comeuppance in popular movies?
In a way, the alpha male had more cache in earlier decades; see the cool guys in 1978’s Grease (which was set in the 1950s) dumping on Eugene. But by 1984, we get “Revenge of the Nerds.”
How do you explain the Tri-Lambdas slam-dunking the Alpha-Betas and ubernerd Louis Skolnick raping Betty Childs in the funhouse being the movie’s happy ending scene?
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Speaking of jocks in movies, one of the few teen comedies featuring a nerd protagonist I can think of — in which the jocks were both the alpha antagonists and sympathetically shown — is Lucas (1986).
An outstanding movie. It tells you that miralces don’t always happen. And the final scene is outstanding.
One of young Charlie Sheen’s fine roles as the asshole jock who gets the girl, and it feels right.
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This is really what that’s all about: women hating beta men.
Whiskey, you’re probably on the right tract with this, but how do you explain the ubiquity of the “asshole jock” character who always gets his comeuppance in popular movies?
More men are Betas than Alphas, so seeing the Alpha get his comeuppance appeals to a majority of the male audience.
Peter
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Another great jock movie (no nerd angle in this one) is Vision Quest (1985). In the tradition of Rocky, and I must have watched it at least 20 times when I wrestled in high school. Never did the log-on-the-bleachers workout though. Way hard core.
Madonna’s best song “Crazy for You” comes from this movie.
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More men are Betas than Alphas, so seeing the Alpha get his comeuppance appeals to a majority of the male audience.
That makes sense from the simple marketing angle, but it clashes with Whiskey’s arguement that pop culture elevates uber-alphas over ordinary guys — since there are lots more beta nice guys than vampires in real life.
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You want to see some game thrown in a movie though watch eiger sanction. Man it was different back in clint eastwoods younger days. Oh and they talked about him being old at 35.
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dougjnn-
“Do you see any progress anywhere in changing these laws, or in steps that can be taken in that direction?”
Do you want hope, or truth? Because you only get one.
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Its wierd here because you can buy the iraqi movie pack for 20 bucks with all of clint eastwoods movies in it. Or any other actor. Now that is value.
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Iron/Peter
Yeah. But here’s the thing. I think it’s sorta like classic gangster movies in the thirties or most noir in the 40s and so on, really only changing gradually thereafter. I’m talking about the morality ending. You spend the whole movie often routing or mostly rooting for the bad boy bad guys, but in the end, truth, justice and the American way prevail, and the bad boy bad guy is hauled off to jail or more often is killed.
In the alpha comeuppance movies you’ve got something like 75-80% of the guys rooting for the betas (I think a lot of higher betas don’t cause the see themselves already in alpha-hood or heeded there), but you also have a majority of the females and maybe a large majority rooting for the alphas, unless the betas have strong traditional values hooks which will anchor more of the more traditonal ladies. But when the thrilling bad boys romp and stop triumphanly for most of the movie, everyone’s got something they’re happy about.
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In truth there can be hope because you can change circumstances.
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Lawyer from Hell
Truth.
But not of the easy cynicism kind. Of the tried mightly to figure out anything that might eventually work, and then sat back over a single malt with a close friend, leaned back, and assessed the prospects with him kind.
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Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here.
You are talking about changing the course of a nation (if not the world) that was being set at the point of Teddy Roosevelt. Do you think any single man can undo over a hundred years of progressive change without a revolution? Remembering that no democracy has undergone a revolution and stayed a democracy unless the current political elite win against the revolutionaries.
What would you have changed specifically? Do you think either political party will allow that kind of change?
That being said, the current depression may create some significant change. If the population as a whole realizes that having the government act as the ultimate patriarch does not work, or sees it fail at doing so, then I suppose there is hope, but it will be dark times for everyone.
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you also have a majority of the females and maybe a large majority rooting for the alphas
One trope I’ve notices in movies is that the alpha antagonist will do something very low-beta or otherwise unattractive to lose the female audience’s sympathy.
Billy Zane in Titanic: an alpha by any measure. Yeah, he was getting outgamed by Dicaprio’s upstart character, but to remove any doubt from the minds of the audience, Zane had to lose his cool and start shooting at people. And say snippy things, and act like an insecure douchebag faux-aristo.
And in the end, to fully cement his douchebagginess, he was revealed to have jumped off a NYC ledge after the 1929 stock market crash.
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Lawyer form Hell: the elites don’t rule forever. They retire, sell their house, and die.
The key to power in a democracy lies in controlling its propaganda arm: the education-media complex. And one way of wresting this power is through a long march through the institutions.
That was the Left’s gameplan, and it worked for them.
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PA, its about what women *think* they *should* want versus what they *actually* want.
Feminist bitches tell women they should want sensitive men who treat them as equals, are nice and polite, and roll over for them, and that men who act like men are “pigs.” Partially, this is because feminism is determined to so disgust women with all men and confuse them enough so that Dykes can swoop in and get a nice girlfriend.
But their instincts tell them to get fucked by the bad boy.
Popular art is largely about showing the ideals of a society—which are largely the opposite of the current state. So Hollywood movies show idealized situations—jocks losing to nerds, assholes losing to nice guys—-because the opposite is what happens—nice guys finish last, etc.
The G manifesto said it best: If you want to be more alpha, stop watching TV. TV teaches you the opposite of what works.
On a related note, this is partially why we have such fucked up ideas about marriage nowadays. Many women, ripped from the strong familial/religious connections of the past, seek to understand the world through pop movies/Tv shows/songs.
These avenues create these idealized ideas of “one true love” and “never settling” and “having it all” that have no bearing on the harsh realities of the world. Many women follow these religiously, and thus think that if their lives aren’t a romantic comedy, they can’t be happy. So many try to “have it all” as the movies push, and end up with nothing.
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The brilliant idea the Left had was to instill the notion that college is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD and that EVERYONE MUST GO TO COLLEGE, AND TO COLLEGE FAR AWAY FROM HOME, and for four years.
By removing the child from the family, and yet making sure the child is 0% responsible for anything (parents pay, no one fails out). And when the child is vulnerable emotionally.
So the child is cast adrift, without protections, lonely and bored. Basically, college is like camp, only with required indoctrination classes. Is it any wonder “camp hijinks movies” and “college hijinks” stereotypes are basically the same, with only the location changed?
Bonus: it kept children from joining the army or getting married, which increase right-wing leanings and real-world experience.
This idea still holds today, strangely. The Right could do one of 2 things: infiltrate college and re-commandeer–which would take 2-3 generations of extreme work and organization—or start putting down college and promoting army/work.
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Ever notice how scared the Left is of home schooling? Its not just fears of poorly educated children, which can be legitimate in some cases. Its the fear that 1) children will respect their parents over society; and 2) the left can’t force indoctrination onto those kids anymore.
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Bonus: it [going to college] kept children from joining the army or getting married, which increase right-wing leanings and real-world experience.
That’s a damn good point. ALso the student loans get in a way of getting married soon.
The Right could do one of 2 things: infiltrate college and re-commandeer–which would take 2-3 generations of extreme work and organization—or start putting down college and promoting army/work.
True. I also suspect that bad economy might discourage people from majoring in liberal arts, which should weaken the education-media complex’s influence.
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Fur collar is just way to high here. What gives?? Fur collar is just way too hard looking, especially since she isn’t beautiful, just handsome looking.
As I said in the last time we did this, “Who I would date” played a factor. (Ranking bridge girl at 7) Fur smile seem very high maintenance, so I gave her the seven and gave the black girl the eight.
As I mentioned above, I thought there was a very small difference of attractiveness for the girls on the upper end. Thus, seemingly stupid factors like clothes made the difference. If fur smile had been dressed more casually, I might have given her the edge. Another example was me putting RainAnd’s mom in the six spot because I didn’t like the way she wore her hair.
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Billy Zane in Titanic: an alpha by any measure. Yeah, he was getting outgamed by Dicaprio’s upstart character, but to remove any doubt from the minds of the audience, Zane had to lose his cool and start shooting at people. And say snippy things, and act like an insecure douchebag faux-aristo.
“Wedding Crashers” had the same situation where Rachel McAdams’ boyfriend has to beat the shit out of Owen Wilson and make a comment about a waitress’s rack in order to fully convince the audience that Owen Wilson is not an asshole for moving in on this guy’s girl.
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easter egg:
more than half these girls were under 18 at the time photos were taken
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PA —
Yuup, that was the final nail in his coffin alright, removing any lingering sense that “yeah he’s a total asshole, but he got away with being a rich asshole with high status”.
I think what made him the total douche was forcing his way onto that lifeboat ahead of lower class women. It’s one thing to “unfairly” screw over the lower class men, but to do it to the women, certainly within an Anglo Saxon culture but I think much more broadly than that, was to rescue or reinforce the one part of chivalry that still is. Men who aren’t will to protect women generally, sure after first taking care of their own family, are violating the prime female directive of what qualities a male leader must have.
In this case Zane had not pretext that he HAD to live to steer the boat and the women in it to safety or some such. He just pushed a bunch of women away to save his own single solitary and at that moment worthless to women life.
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“‘PA
The key to power in a democracy lies in controlling its propaganda arm: the education-media complex. And one way of wresting this power is through a long march through the institutions.
That was the Left’s gameplan, and it worked for them.””
Yea I think that slices through it.
Well lurker it is actually amazing to me how much power these skilled trades guys really have. I am seeing articles about the shortage of skilled people.
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dougjnn: I was saying it lightheartedly (‘course I don’t think it’s a ‘silly’ reason!!! Regardless, pretty sure she’d get the kids then over which he has practically — perhaps not theoretically & on paper** — no rights and he is obligated for child support; though that can get fumbled by paperwork too.). Also a far-fetched explanation I’m offering for me not hearing about it. Another is that there is a bigger view that teenagers are criminals and so on with less emphasis on sports in high schools (not remotely the same enthusiasm the US of A has; rugby seems active but I’ve never paid much attention). The women take less care of themselves as they get older. This all compounds to less attraction and interaction either way.
If considerably older women sleeping with teenage guys happens commonly here, it is not something that is known or publicised.
** The beaureaucratic machinery is slow, expensive and unwieldy.
Since we’re on the subject of female sexual predators: how many have encountered one personally or within your social circles? (Compare it to males if you wish)
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Dam you guys are rolling it out.
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PA, we can wish that big government’s failings will show people it isn’t the way, but history shows people don’t vote logically.
FDR lengthened and worsened the great depression, and what was his reward? 4 terms, a fine place in the history books, and democrat control of congress for 40 years. oh, and don’t forget a supreme court cowed into submission by vaguely-unconstitutional threats without a peep from the public.
People seem to think that the solution to big government’s failings is more big government.
it took someone as good as reagan and someone as weak as carter to get some sanity back. But Obama is still somehow up in the polls, despite more gaffes in 3 months than Bush did in 8 years. The right needs someone as damn charismatic as Reagan to take down this chump.
Yeah, student loans are a bitch, too. They also encourage MORE student loans (and more indoctrination) because when you realize your english degree is worthless to pay off the old loans, you go to law school for 200 grand more just to make ends meet.
And, at that point, you’re too old to join the army.
the left set up this system very well.
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Lurker:
You said:
“PA, its about what women *think* they *should* want versus what they *actually* want.
Feminist bitches tell women they should want sensitive men who treat them as equals, are nice and polite, and roll over for them, and that men who act like men are “pigs.” Partially, this is because feminism is determined to so disgust women with all men and confuse them enough so that Dykes can swoop in and get a nice girlfriend.
But their instincts tell them to get fucked by the bad boy.”
You are right and wrong: it’s not “what women think they want vs what they want”…studies show that women are more attracted to alpha males when they are ovulating and more attracted to betas when they are not. So women, in effect, want both. They want the sperm donation of the testosterone laden alpha male for the sake of her offspring’s “fitness” but want the less risky (aka less testosterone influenced behaviors) of a beta to raise the children and provide for her.
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The key to power in a democracy lies in controlling its propaganda arm: the education-media complex. And one way of wresting this power is through a long march through the institutions.
That was the Left’s gameplan, and it worked for them.
And soon, we will all be white, civilized, and glorious.
That’s a damn good point. ALso the student loans get in a way of getting married soon.
Yes, but going to college makes us whiter, and thus better than the uncivilized vagabonds.
Madonna’s best song “Crazy for You” comes from this movie.
I’m much more fond of “Material Girl” or “Like a Prayer”.
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Buzz Killington II
Interesting idea. The most I can get are
c,f,g,h,j.
B looks like she could possibly be in this pic but I don’t think she does if you look at the others that were posting in the nominating “Female Photo Submissions” thread. J definitely looks like she is, but I remember being told by someone who seemed to know that she’s 19. I would not place the black girl under 18 but it’s possible she’s 17 or conceivably 16. A quite old looking 16. My guess is she’s 22.
It also does not good for a “evil” effect that girls in the lower half would be under 18. So j is under 18 that hurts evil. Your theory leaves us with only c and g having an evil effect.
I think g by her lonesome, as a shocking 13 beauty queen, not just here but in international high fashion, has a much higher impact.
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PA-
Wise words citizen. Wise words.
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Bhetti–
Of the sort that Lawyer from Hell “LFH” talked about, not many. You’re right that they simply make national news.
As well I don’t think they’re necessarily so terrible for the boy when it happens. Really what it amounts to is this, seems to me. Does she want the boy to be really submissive to her? Or does she just want a jackrabbit sex plaything that’s REALLY into her? If it’s the later she wouldn’t damage most boys at all. Help them a lot, as long as our inane lawys don’t make him responsible for any kids she decides to sneak out of him, as they do.
In the former case she could and probably would ruin his life. Unless he was clearly going there anyway. But how could that be clear at that age? It couldn’t. So forge the “unless” in the case of her wanting a male submissive and creating out of a boy she can mold. With most boys who aren’t real studs already, she probably could.
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“Lurker
This idea still holds today, strangely. The Right could do one of 2 things: infiltrate college and re-commandeer–which would take 2-3 generations of extreme work and organization—or start putting down college and promoting army/work.”
Or open your eyes and look at the sheer awesome power of family and realize why it had to be destroyed. How about sending your kids to school where they learn how to actually make something that can be taken back to the extended family to share. Think godfather type shit but without the crime element as that is not needed for a family to be very successful.
When I think about the economic power that my parents families wield seperately it boggles my mind to think what they could achieve if they used it together to help each other (25) kids in both families.
The iraq war is going to change some things it does pay money for trade schools as well. Thing thats funny is a decent mechanic school costs 25k for a year.
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Bhetti —
There definitely are female preditors though, just not many of the seriously underaged type that LFH was saying are common.
We’ve talked about women going after HS guys or even some older JH guys, which is illegal in the US in many places.
The big way females are predetory though is in trying to leverage some consensual thing they’ve had with an alpha into forced more of the same they hope, by various stategems using the extremely one sided laws and law enforcement on male female things that feminists have forced through in the US with the UK following right behind on most or all of it far as I can tell. Stalkers going after guys they’ve had flings with by trying to find situations where they’ll get “back in” else they can claim domestic violence, or theats, and so on. Women who refuse to move out despite lots of notice and gentle handling threatening the same sorts of things, and even causing themselves real injury to make it look bad. that kind of thing.
There’s also the completely false date rape phenomenon, but that’s a bit different than predatory, only sometimes it isn’t. I.e. if the guy they drunkenly but very consciously sleep with then starts pursing a relatinship with them, no rape. If he starts to but she acts so crazy he calls an end real soon, she remembers rape.
I honestly think the solid and perhaps great majority of claimed date rape is morning after regret, or simply untrue and never happened. This is mostly a college and grad school phenomena though, cause juries even now mostly won’t convict on this BS. But schools will expel men accused with very little evidence. Really he’s guilty until proven innocent which is generally true of feminist inspired law out in the wider world as well. Sexual harrassment, domestic violence and divorce /child custody law all.
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And soon, we will all be white, civilized, and glorious.
No.
Before the Left took over, there more white people in America, everyone (including blacks) was more civilized, and America was glorious.
Since the Left has taken over, whites are getting pushed out of their habitats, everyone (especially blacks) is becoming more savage, and America is on its way to becoming an evil empire.
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PA-
“Lawyer form Hell: the elites don’t rule forever. They retire, sell their house, and die.”
You are assuming the elites do not propogate and want power to be retained by their children, which of course they do. You should read 1984 if you haven’t done so. The purpose of power is to retain it for your descendants.
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“The key to power in a democracy lies in controlling its propaganda arm: the education-media complex. And one way of wresting this power is through a long march through the institutions. That was the Left’s gameplan, and it worked for them.”
Here’s the problem, when the left began their march through the institutions, the establishment was open to accepting ideas outside their circle, it was merely one more view point and was seen as the way education and thought progressed. There is now intolerance of “unacceptable” view points. You are not going to take back what once was.
Bhetti–
“Since we’re on the subject of female sexual predators: how many have encountered one personally or within your social circles? (Compare it to males if you wish)”
Plenty. More than you think, or want to believe.
dougjnn, you are being an apologist and excusing female behavior because the male gains something from it. That is not the same as saying it doesn’t occur, merely that it is more acceptable for an older woman to take advantage of a younger male. Something I do not dispute, and contend is why the rate of women being reported is far lower than men.
This is changing as parents become more zealous in “protecting” their children.
As has been pointed out repeatedly in this blog, older men with younger women is a threat to the established order, way more than older women with younger men.
Older male/underage female = Creepy Omega Loser
Older female/underage male = Sexual awakening experience for the male.
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And as a point of clarification, the reality is the vast majority of men and women are not interested in children. Nor do the vast majority of men or women act on the fact that once a person is a biological adult, they are attractive.
We are talking a very small segment of the population. Even the number of registered male sex offenders, that includes everything in addition to pedaphiles is a very tiny part of the human population.
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ALso the student loans get in a way of getting married soon.
But I don’t want to get married soon. Getting married gets in the way of having fun. No more railfanning whenever I want, no more buying nice cars, no more buying high end photography equipment, and no more jetting off to Europe.
Getting married is what you do when you’re bored with life and too tired to do anything interesting.
True. I also suspect that bad economy might discourage people from majoring in liberal arts, which should weaken the education-media complex’s influence.
As somebody who is a social science student, the liberal arts essentially a tool for those of us in the middle class who are average or slightly above average intelligence to get into the middle class. Plus, it has the benefit of separating us socially from the blue collar and working class types that nobody wants to be associated with.
everyone (especially blacks) is becoming more savage
The elitist side of my glorifies the whiter people for being elite, and we should all aspire to be like our elite, and de facto worship them. They are better than us.
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Bhetti —
Ok, you asked about my having encountered female predators personally. So I should come clean. I did Bhetti, I did, and when I was true jail bait too. Two of them, to 18 year olds.
It was at a summer beach community. My family knew no one there at first, since we were borrowing the pace of family friends who were spending August vacationing elsewhere.
These two girls were best friends Bhetti. Well I was with them both too after awhile. We hung out together the whole month. Hours talking and lying on the beach, some bike rading around (it was a no cars or even roads sort of microcosm summer community on a barrier beach island). I spent the whole month, or almost all of it, trying to talk one of the girls, a good Catholic girl going to college in the fall, to have premarital sex with me, at least some sort. This was all by as much indirction as I could manage at the time you understand Bhetti, but both of us knew my purpose. Books we both read were involved, and I had to study a little Catholic theology, you know the to the point parts, and she even pointed me where to look, rather fairly too I’ll add, including bits that might help me.
Oh, you have to understand there was a 2 to 1 guy shortage in this community for various reasons mostly having to do with mothers helpers. Anyway while all this was going on, and she was sort of my official older girl gf, her Jewish gf was also hanging out with the two of us or I was hanging out with the two of them or whatever, and sometimes participating in these discussions, rather taking my side of it, usually. But mostly we’d just tickle each other and things and C would after a while be mock stern and tell us to knock it off so we would after awhile.
Well, about two weeks into the month, in an evening when C was doing her mother’s helpers duties, as she did a lot of evenings and some days, J seemingly innocently knocked on my families place and said lets go get ice cream or something, I’m bored. So we did. And then as it grew fully dark she said she’d never been to the end of the breakwater and wondered what the lights across the bay on the mainland looked like from out there, past the loom of the ferry building, in the dark. So we walked out and she took my hand Bhetti. She took my hand and my heart was racing so fast I was afraid I’d die or something or a least trip and make a fool of myself.
So we got to the end an sat down in the sand between the rocking pilings on either side and looked at the llights and the boats with their lights in the distance going to and fro, and leaned against each other and… well I didn’t know what to do. I was innocent Bhetti, a virgin. But she kissed me. And I kissed back, I couldn’t help it. And she started taking off my shirt. And then her top, and I played with her. What could I do.
And so it happened. She took my virginity. i was very fast the first time and ashamed but she told me everyone was the first time and wanted more and she took more again and again. And so it went on for the rest of the summer, when C had to work in the evenings.
Now I ask you. I was a mere 14, clearly illegal jailbait, and a virgin, and she was 18, and pretty experienced, let me tell you. She told me after a while, that’s for sure, cause well I asked.
Was that not a predatory female taking advantage of a mere virginal boy (ok a 6’1 175lbs boy at the time, but still) or what?
I ask you Bhetti. What do you think?
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everyone (including blacks) was more civilized
It was more civilized, yet poorer.
America is on its way to becoming an evil empire
I’d never expect that statement from you, especially since you’re a former member of our military and your rightist politics. I reek of leftist gin, and I wouldn’t even make the argument that we’re an evil empire.
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Lawyer From Hell-
That is very true.
It is also not irrelevant that that older establishment, at least the wings in the media and universities, was dominated by WASPs especially of New England ultimate heritage (as per Albion’s Seed), and that the bringers of the left they were open to letting in as another voice were generally secular Jews or lead by them. This later group is what’s still leading the left generally and in such places, has been steadily pushing “classic liberal” viewpoints and the Wasps and others who hold them out or making them keep quiet for the most part for fear of same, and are ever more insisting on intollerance of unacceptable viewpoints, or giving tenure to any that hold them – or even teaching positions if they’re smoked out that early.
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I saw photos from Portland’s solstice day festival, with naked and body-painted quasi-homosexuals riding around on bicycles. I also attended a formal party at a gated-neighborhood house of a Jewish guy who is a partner at one of DC’s largest lobbying firms tied in to the DNC.
DA, those people are not superior to me. They aren’t superior to you either. The former are goofballs, the latter are usurpers.
By the way, you didn’t answer my question — why do you hang out at rightie blogs when per your admission, their message is scary to you? Could it be that somewhere in your bones you feel that the decency is on the Right, and it’s the Left that is in fact truly creepy?
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I’d never expect that statement from you,
I love the American land, history, and people. But I am not a fan of the way U.S. Government, Inc. behaves.
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it has the benefit of separating us socially from the blue collar and working class types that nobody wants to be associated with.
What you say is partly true unfortunately, but here is another perspective:
The essay is easily googled and worth reading, and the paragraph in which this quote appears is really nice.
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I saw photos from Portland’s solstice day festival, with naked and body-painted quasi-homosexuals riding around on bicycles.
While that may be weird from our standpoint, it’s the openness and tolerance of the non-conventional that I find so appealing about the whiter people. I’d argue that is what makes white people better than Asians…
DA, those people are not superior to me. They aren’t superior to you either.
They have money, they have college degrees, and high ranking jobs. They are better.
But I am not a fan of the way U.S. Government, Inc. behaves.
I understand that you’re obviously not a fan of the government regardless of party, but I’d never expect the Evil Empire remark. Hell, my aunt basically blames the US Government for why she had to sneak out of Haiti, and she doesn’t even throw that word around.
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The thing is you can grab a hold of your families destiny. The thing my dad told me when I was young about the Jewish people he knew and how they put money into a pool that the others could borrow from to start a business. Man I totally respected that and thought that was the best idea since sliced bread. Kind of like the maddof thing people had all their money invested with this dude. Like money in the 10’s of millions. They could not think of anything else to do with it than give it to this one guy they didn’t even know. Everyone talks about the children the children but we need to work on making the adults successful too. Like the ones we know like maybe even ourselves. It is putting in the work and investing that into another person that has made them independant which in turn later on will more than likely make me independant. The fact that I can help create a financially independant person through my labor and saving is pretty amazing. I am just one person though with my wife 2. Imagine if you could raise a family to think like this. What won’t you be able to do?
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Gunny —
I like the way you think. I really do.
In many ways the early Free Masons were like this in our country. There’s alot of bs about them, a lot of it jealousy and some of it inspired by church groups that felt threatened needlessly, and conspiracy theorists. I don’t know one way or another these days. I have the impression it’s all diluted now but don’t know.
Anyway they were generally deists which was their day’s secularists sort of, but they didn’t have to be. There were various ceremonies and before that tests re: getting in to build loyalty, but the main thing is the recommendation process from members was tough in ways I don’t remember. And it did have an elitist bias, but not elite by birth but by achievement. Rich do nothings never got in, in the US early days anyway.
I brought it up because part of what they were about was lending to each other or maybe more often guaranteeing loans for fellow members, and vouching for them and promoting them, and just generally having each other’s backs in a deep trust way even when one member didn’t know the other that well but they knew they were part of a band of brothers with tight interconnections.
For a while this was often pretty powerful stuff, leading to conspiracy theories, which, in a way weren’t necessary 100% wrong.
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Gunny–
That trade thing.
Think in terms of a trade that yes will allow you to make a solid and comfortable living to begin with, but then where you could go off on your own and start a business employing others doing it. And from there a few such business. That might be enough or you could roll up others and maybe even franchise it depending on what it is.
What I’m saying is think about these things far down the road, which may or may not be the way you’ll end up going, but it would be great if there’s a path there if you want to.
Can’t always know that much from afar though. But you can talk to people.
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Bhetti
Damn girl. I speed type all that out just for you and you up and go to bed on me in merry ole England? You beeaacch.
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Interesting Doug I am not a free mason but I do want to be a free man.
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Yea doug so far I lost my ass in market. My wife has done the multiple business route lol I do think up a new business almost every day. I realize that I need to focus on a base of money for myself. So I need to establish that first then once seperated from needing money yea can focus on larger dreamcatching. I figure I need a base of 2000 a month of spendable income and savings of 2000 a month.
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“Doug,
That trade thing.
Think in terms of a trade that yes will allow you to make a solid and comfortable living to begin with, but then where you could go off on your own and start a business employing others doing it. And from there a few such business. That might be enough or you could roll up others and maybe even franchise it depending on what it is.”
That is a nice map right there.
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“Doug
What I’m saying is think about these things far down the road, which may or may not be the way you’ll end up going, but it would be great if there’s a path there if you want to.”
Trying to do it quick for base anyway. Which probably got me screwed somewhat. I made a big gamble. But I work between 84 and 96 hours a week. So hopefully not to far in future.
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One more point about college :
In America, about 20% of the classes are in ‘Humanities and Social Science’, even if you are majoring in engineering. This is how they get left-wing indoctrination into ALL students, including engineering students. Despite my major in Electrical Engineering, I had to take an English class where the feminist professor made us attend a lecture by Katharine MacKinnon.
In countries like India, when you study engineering in college, all your classes are just that. No mushy crap. That is why a BS degree in Engg. from an Asian school is equal to an MS degree in the US, because the amount of engineering learned by the student in both cases is the same.
Engineering professors may be left-wing (although they rake in big buck in corporate consulting), but there isn’t really a chance to do much indoctrination in an engineering class.
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I recall only one class I took in college that had a left-wing feminist professor. That was a class called “ethical issues in religious perspectives.” I took that class in part to fill in my core curriculum requirement.
I was a total libertarian. Advocated that viewpoint through all class discussions (when it was relevant.)
And that professor loved me.
It’s an anecdote and a sample of one, but there it is.
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Oh, something else comes back to me:
She really enjoyed my in-class essay test response to the abortion issue, where I supported at least some of the pro-life points, especially where I used the line from Unforgiven – “It’s a hell of a thing killing a man – you take away all he’s got, and all he’s ever gonna have.”
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Nice one keith.
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Consider this a public service announcement:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/132395.html
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The brilliant idea the Left had was to instill the notion that college is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD and that EVERYONE MUST GO TO COLLEGE, AND TO COLLEGE FAR AWAY FROM HOME, and for four years.
They took it one step further than that – they turned America into a society where a college degree is an absolutely essential credential. Regardless of what you actually learn (which in many cases is nothing but Leftist claptrap) you must go to college or you are simply not considered for a lot of jobs. There is, of course, nothing inevitable or necessary about this. It is simply another way of forcing as many people as possible into the Leftist indoctrination camp.
The latest idea along these lines, of course, is “mandatory volunteering”. They are going to require “volunteer” work from people in high school and probably also grade school, and the only places where the kids will be allowed to do their volunteer work will be Leftist propaganda mills.
the elites don’t rule forever. They retire, sell their house, and die.
Individuals die, the Establishment lives on. The whole point of the Leftist stranglehold on academia is to identify and groom up-and-coming young people suitable for induction into the Establishment.
The thing my dad told me when I was young about the Jewish people he knew and how they put money into a pool that the others could borrow from to start a business.
I have a Korean buddy who says Korean churches do that right now.
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Anyway, there’s a great story here about a 26 year old guy who slept with a cougar acquaintance and got slapped with a rape charge. She was a lawyer, naturally.
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Not recommeding vasectomies for young guys until the valved kind come off clinical trial and become affordable, if they do, but….
Careful out there guys.
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Tarl
Yeah I know. Henry Ford never went to college, the Wright brothers never went to college, and Andrew Carnegie, who build up much of the US Steel industry back in the day and bought out the rest, never went to college.
That was then and this is now you say. True, true.
Bill Gates never went to college either. Well ok he did. One semester, and dropped out.
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“I have a Korean buddy who says Korean churches do that right now.”
Cool.
Yea lot of immigrants do stuff somewhat like this. Or they give jobs where the person can basically save all there money. Give them place to live, plus food. Whatever money they can keep.
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Tarl —
An online story? Got a link? I’d like to read abt it.
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Yea once I finish indentured servitude and get my base I may go back to school. I want most bang for buck.
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DA:
I went to grad school and got a degree in a soft social science/humanities. I was surrounded by swipple lefties (more the other grad students than professors by the way)
Those folks are more narrow-minded, conformist and prickish than the average rightie, and often it doesn’t even have to do with morality or politics.
For example: “Why do you dress like that, isn’t it uncomfortable?” in response to the fact that I wore suit jackets, ties, shoes and a hat in Hawaii’s balmy weather. I got that one a lot. In fact when answering it with my usual stock response, one of them replied “Well, I’m in academia just so I never ever have to wear a tie in my life.” (yeah, fuck you too, dude.)
Those people are lifestyle solipsists. They can’t see beyond their own little goddamn bubble, and anything that reminds them of the messiness and ugliness of a world that doesn’t revolve around them or their interests they’ll reject in the way they always do. By shunning it and pretending it doesn’t exist.
They’ll never tell you to fuck off, but you’ll find yourself uninformed of parties and get togethers and the recipient of pained small talk and nervous smiles. Oh, and they’ll gossip and snark about you behind your back, but will never ever own up to it if you confront them about it. In fact, if you confront them directly about anything, you might find yourself in a world of hurt, as instead of shouting or punching you in the face like a normal emotionally functional human being will do, they will smilingly attempt to demolish your reputation after feeding you platitudes.
Fuck ’em, David Alexander, they may be smart, but they’re so fucked in the head that an inner city McDonald’s manager has more common sense and emotional maturity than they do.
Listen I ain’t a fan of a lot of the rightie stuff, hell I disagree with half the shit posted on 2blowhards, and think Steve Sailer keeps company with a bunch of loony tunes and Half Sigma is an annoying unreadable shrill idiot, but Jesus H. Christ, at least these folks often have character, even if I disagree fundamentally with a lot of them, and I like to think that they look at my character rather than my views of gays and Mexicans.
To sum it up, here I can measure a man by his character and be measured by my character (hence my extreme dislike of Aggie, despite sharing a lot of his beliefs and respect of guys like Shouting Thomas despite not sharing almost any beliefs). On the left side, it’s all about orthodoxy. Character doesn’t matter at all. It’s a giant moral void under that ultra-bright sheen of sanctity they cultivate.
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Nice description by Spike of what it’s like among the swippl lefties. I beat it out of academia in the late ’70s myself for similar reasons, only to find myself in the NYC media world, where people are much the same. (Often bright and attractive too. But, as Spike says, living in their own bubbles.)
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I can’t read all 550 comments, but I believe the Easter Egg is that the person pictured in the next to last photo is the grown-up version of the person in the last photo.
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Tood wrote:
Despite my major in Electrical Engineering, I had to take an English class where the feminist professor made us attend a lecture by Katharine MacKinnon.
In countries like India, when you study engineering in college, all your classes are just that. No mushy crap. That is why a BS degree in Engg. from an Asian school is equal to an MS degree in the US, because the amount of engineering learned by the student in both cases is the same.
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Those whites gonna pay for keeping Tood down by giving him an AA engineering degree and then promoting him to management! Oh yes, Tood will make them pay! Not so smart now, Mr. Masters Degree White Man when an H1-B BS Hindu slave replaces you, are you?
I have a question, Toodie. Is there any degree of absolutely unearned indulgence that would prevent you from being a hateful caricature that a writer would be embarrassed to put to paper?
The Proud AA Achiever, aggressively burning all possible paths for advancement of everyone younger than him by the mass importation of slave labor who continually screams about how those young’ins have to ‘earn’ their pay. I’d be ashamed to have a character like you in any thing I wrote. It’s just so UNBELIEVABLE. But that’s Toodie’s strength, isn’t it? You are so unbelievably awful that it’s impossible for most people to get it.
Oh by the way, Toodie, I’ve dealt with your little High IQ darlings slaves, and I’m afraid the attempt to go from pre-industrial culture to industrial culture in only slightly more than one single generation ain’t working. That’s cause it never could. In an absolutely surprising turn of events, more than three hundred years of Western progress can’t be compressed into thirty years.
There also isn’t a Santa Claus.
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Spike whats wrong with mexicans?
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An online story? Got a link? I’d like to read abt it.
Link was in my previous post – click on the word “here” in the previous post…
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Oh also..
I’m in college right now (hence the name), anyone know what I could be doing instead? Of course I work, but their has to be another way. I been thinking of making a “soda machine like chain”, but I haven’t though too much into it. Or building fences since I used to do that. Charge for labor.
I’m just asking this because now more than ever I find myself saying, “What the fuck I’m I really doing here?”
But then it usually wanders off to women. Heh.
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For those who fail to believe the awfulness of the Tood, the money shot is when Tood says:
That is why a BS degree in Engg. from an Asian school is equal to an MS degree in the US
Tood has apparently decided that every single Asian school Bachelor degree is equal to any Masters degree from any school in the US. Thesis, no thesis, just as good.
I must ask myself why Toodie would imagine that a Hindu with a BS is the equivalent of the American with an MS he wants to replace. I think I just answered my question, didn’t I?
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The Evil Easter Egg is that numbers 9 and 10 are the same person 15-20 years apart
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Or that a) is a man
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Dougjn — Thanks for the kind words. It’s interesting, when you look at say, Roman Polanski. A guy who drugged and sexually assaulted a 13 year old girl, is lionized by Hollywood’s FEMALE players and folks. Heck the woman who directed the documentary on him: “Wanted and Desired” pretty much portrayed him as a hero. The ladies love Polanski and pretty much excuse anything he does. Just as the female audience for “Buffy” excused pretty much everything the vampire leads did. Even rape of the female lead/star-character.
I do think you are right about women/feminists seeing “disaster” if older teen girls started fooling around with guys in their twenties (which is btw commonplace among teen actresses for obvious reasons), a huge threat to the “New Girl Order” as Kay Hymnowitz put it. As noted above, in the real case of Polanski they had no objection. Because Polanski was “Alpha” and that was what mattered.
PA — As far as the 80’s comedies go, they speak to a time twenty years or more in the past. Today we have mostly though not exclusively female-oriented movies that speak to Alpha-only, no moving up at all for high betas, and every man is Alpha, or a fabulous gay pal, no icky awkward desire from a beta guy. Nearly all TV save the Bruckheimer factory, and most of movies are female-oriented. Only in a few male-oriented comedies do we see high beta guys getting the girl by moving up into Alpha status. “Asshole Jock” is a relic of the 80’s male oriented comedies, now for female oriented stuff it’s the awful icky guy who is a jumped up beta revealed to be a loser next to the real Alpha. The variations of “asshole jock” are in clearly male-oriented comedies (the ones that actually make money, because guys are under served in entertainment). For female movies it’s usually Hugh Jackman, or Hugh Grant, or Patrick Dempsey who reveal they are the true Alpha the girl’s boyfriend is nothing but beta bait: the one thing women will not forgive.
David A — Naked gay bike riding is not a good thing. It shows too much SWPL love of diversity. A mostly uniform culture, which imposes order and security and safety and cooperation, but within those rules provides for eccentricity and tolerance of unusual peoples and behavior and belief, can only work when the unusual is well, unusual. Once the unusual becomes common, and naked gay bike riding is the norm, you get Lord of the Flies or something like that very quickly.
You are making the same mistake (because you are a middle class, sedate, and utterly non-violent guy like him) that “Prarie Home Companion” creator Garrison Keilor made. He advised young people to “go crazy.” Sane advice for a guy like Keillor, or yourself, who’s idea of going crazy is riding FIVE trains in one day, taking pictures, and staying up to 11:30, with maybe even a nightcap before bed.
It’s DISASTER for “Prairie” co-star Lindsay Lohan, who’s idea of going crazy is likely to be a bit more dangerous. To the general public, her latest girlfriend, or herself.
Britain in the 1920’s through 1950’s was famously tolerant of eccentrics and loonies, that soon devolved into abject submission to Sharia in all sorts of ways (often with the avowed support btw of Feminists and women’s groups). Naked Gay Bike Riding is usually a big red flag that there is no community cohesion to enforce certain standards, like clothes, or not blowing up your neighbors on their way to work.
SWPL territory soon gets to the Lord of the Flies. Believe me.
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Yea but the thing is Whiskey that lord of the flies thing sounds kind of good sometimes. Why people pray for the end of society. Would be fun to start from scratch. For a little while.
Kind of like it would be fun for me to quit my job today and tell everyone to fuck off.
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sure does gunslingergregi, until you have dependents. 😦
and the thought of i) roaming wild eating random humans…
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whiskey:
i disagree with your argument that female-geared movies are averse to betas. in fact, chick flicks *love* knocking alpha men down a peg or two.
take patrick dempsey. have you seen “made of honor”? quintessential chick flick.
dempsey is a reformed playboy (alpha) who starts falling for his best friend after she has decided to get married to another guy. he starts exhibiting beta behavior, calling, being clingy, being clumsy. basically he gives up his alpha ways in order to get with his best friend / love of his life.
and this is a movie geared towards women.
the movie “he’s just not that into you” featured several different snippets of people’s lives through the ups-and-downs of marriage, relationships, and dating.
every male in that movie who came out a winner was betatized to some degree. the dude who came out a loser was the high powered executive who was married to jennifer connolly’s character and is banging scarlet johanssen’s character on the side.
the bar owner (beta Justin Long) who seemingly has his run of women, falls for some dorky (albeit cute) chick. ben affleck’s character proposes to Jennifer Aniston’s character after 7 years of dating and her annoyance with him. This shit doesn’t happen in real life.
Every man succumbs to the woman’s will; if he doesn’t, he’s left high and dry.
there are so many movies of late where obvious betas take over as alpha and previous alphas fall down to betadom.
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Evil Easter Egg:
One of the girls in the picture is Sara’s teenage daughter.
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Polanski was “Alpha” and that was what mattered.
No, what matters is Polanski is a Leftist. That is what earns him forgiveness for everything. Just imagine a Republican Senator or CEO accused of the exact same crimes, and imagine how much forgiveness they would get, no matter how alpha they were. Heck, just take the example of Gary Condit, a Democrat but no Leftist, and indisputably an alpha. How much forgiveness did he get for consensual relations with a 23-year old? Zippo. Alpha doesn’t cut it, “progressive” does. Or how about the guy who made a career out of playing a neurotic, self-obsessed beta, Woody Allen, who was forgiven for banging his stepdaughter? Not an alpha – though perhaps you could make the case he is one in real life, regardless of his screen persona – but a progressive, ergo forgiven.
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Or how about the guy who made a career out of playing a neurotic, self-obsessed beta, Woody Allen, who was forgiven for banging his stepdaughter? Not an alpha – though perhaps you could make the case he is one in real life, regardless of his screen persona – but a progressive, ergo forgiven.
It wasn’t his stepdaughter whom Allen banged. The girl was the adoptive daughter of Mia Farrow, who was Allen’s longtime girlfriend but not married to or living with him. Allen and the girl were not legally related in any way.
Peter
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Tarl, well said.
For an even better example, imagine every single gaffe said by Obama coming out of Bush’s mouth.
Heck just imagine ONE of them coming out of Bush’s mouth.
The special Olympics crack? The laughing at the economy failing? The criminal associates? The tax problems of all his nominees? The various other verbal gaffes?
Jeez, just one would have Bush roasted for a lifetime.
For fun, with liberal friends, play this game: “Why was Bush so bad?”
When they start spewing nonsense, kindly remind them: 1) Bush did not lie us into Iraq; 2) we won the war in Iraq; 3) Bush did not cause the economy to collapse; the economy was fine until the Demcrats took Congress; 4) Bush did not torture people at Guantanemo.
Watch their heads explode.
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I would, but I don’t have liberal friends.
Now THAT’S an oxymoron lol
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a) 5
b) 7
c) 8
d) 10
e) 2
f) 3
g) 9
h) 6
i) 1
j) 4
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It wasn’t his stepdaughter whom Allen banged. The girl was the adoptive daughter of Mia Farrow, who was Allen’s longtime girlfriend but not married to or living with him. Allen and the girl were not legally related in any way.
Whatever, dude. She was his de facto stepdaughter if not de jure. He’d been living with her and playing a father-like role since she was 10, and you’ll never convince me that his non-fatherly feelings only suddenly arose after she was of legal age. Totally creepy!
What do Woody Allen and Kodak film have in common? They both come in a cute little yellow box! Bad dum bum.
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Tarl
Your both right. It took both. Polanski is a leftist alpha. Neither alone would work. In fact as a international renowned leading film director, who’s acclaimed both for his art and for his ability to make book, he’s a superalpha who’s leftist – short ugly division it’s true.
Actually I think the whole harm to that girl thing is vastly exaggerated. She may have been traumatized by the bruhaha that first her mother but then by far mostly the media made of it. Prosecutors at first wanted to treat it rather quietly and let Polanski off with something suspended, but the media in the full flush of feminist expansionism at the time, wouldn’t let them. (At a more mature stage many feminists might not have been as upset given who Polanski is, and in fact that’s been true retrospectively for years, but at the time things were developing and the media males and others couldn’t be expect to not try to apply the outrage on a more rules based basis.)
Re exaggerating the harm. It’s not “fair” but it’s true that being seduced when immature and intoxicated it’s true, by one of the leading film directors in the world, at the time at the height of his powers, is different from the point of view of women everywhere, than the same thing happening by a 45yo balding used car salesman. It just is. Now make Polanski look like Warren Beaty (Polanski’s principle deficit), and there’s little doubt that many / most women would secretly feel she was lucky. While grumbling about “a woman’s mature non intoxicated choice” or something.
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Late to this, and did not read the comments, but underage chicks that look more like little girls than women don’t belong here and will slant things. It’s also fucking creepy.
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so’s your sn
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Every one of the girls/women pictured look insecure or maybe it’s just my mood today.
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dougjnn
[If you are willing to share]
So how did that affect you and your game?
Were you more confident? Did it help your game? Did it help or hurt you in relationship forming?
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Default User
I’ll answer you and share, no problem, but I’d like to hear back from Bhetti. She’s the reason it wrote it up.
It’s all completely true though.
In the meantime, put yourself in the same position at the same age. I’m guessing you never have been exactly at a similar age anyway.
Try imaging that and answering your own question. Nothing you say is going to bother me, I assure you.
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dougjnn
I was …er… a bit older my first time. She was about three years older (18 or 19 versus 21 or 22). Believe it or not, although I remember the event, I don’t remember my exact age (18 or 19). Even for my time that was probably old.
I may have been better to loose my V-card earlier – less of that shame/tension spoiling interactions. Even after “the great day” (it was no great shakes, but at least it was over quickly :)) I still had that lingering omega/beta thing going on. I mean I was an adult, a man, yet I still felt that I was fumbling around.
[as a side note: I think one of his alpha traits is making love with the lights on. I may have been fumbling, but it was not in the dark. An alpha virgin? :)]
I would think that sex with an older girl at 14 would give me some swagger (“I’ve done it – hurray”). That virgin shame thing would be gone. A lot would depend on her ..er.. coaching. If she was gentle (guiding, not critical) it might be good. If she was cold (i.e., pointing out my lack of ability) it could be awful.
I would worry that the fact that I was seducee not seducer might leave me less satisfied. I might feel less of a man because she, and not I, controlled the seduction. I would worry it might have some affect on my interactions with woman my own age (and that effect would last as I got older).
I don’t want to get to sappy but…
I had a tough time in my teens. Painful lessons learned then do not go away in a hurry. It took a long, long time to get over those confidence sapping spirit-crushing years. Actually you don’t forget them, just lock them away hoping you won’t trip over them at an inconvenient time. I suspect that whatever your experience, it too lasted beyond your teens.
Generally my theory is that guys who get laid early are the ones who become good with girls (or at least it is a huge help). Late bloomers never catch up (ok rarely). In the teen years we are all fumbling about. The guy who has a few notches under his belt at 18 will do far better than the nervous virgin. Success breeds success. We bring our adolescence into our adulthood.
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Ok, not waiting for Bhetti any more. If she reads to the end first, oh well.
Anyway, yes, it made me feel tremendous. She was encouraging and I did catch on quickly. She also immediately became somewhat submissive to me. It’s what she wanted. In a guiding way sometimes, but subtly. I felt puffed up to bursting – but also incredibly greatful to her. Sure a kind of puppy love that was hard to hide from C, and we couldn’t entirely, though she didn’t know we were having sex or full on sex anyway. Made C jealous and I got bj’s from her out of it.
Understand though, it would be next to impossible to devise a more favorable environment for this to happen. The ratio for older teens of girls to guys was over 2 to 1, and maybe it was 3 to 1 because of mothers helpers and many older teen guys doing summer jobs off this tiny island. Also, I had been sort of higher beta before that summer. We were relative newcomers in our rather settled town and so it wasn’t easy to break into the leading clique. I was also peggy as an “egghead” even though I was athletic. I was shy around girls but not at all boys so that was all it took took to confirm the efforts of the leading two guys to rope me out. Instead I became the “rebel leader” in my rather small class and school.
Anyway nobody knew any of this at this summer place so I could remake myself from scratch. And I’d learned a lot, but couldn’t shake what I was supposed to be and not be back home. Oh and what I left out of the story is that I had lied about my age on that island to everyone. The teens and parents operated in entirely separate world (it was a tiny insulated world so the parents felt safe to just let the teens run around, more than usual at the time anyway). I feared it would come out eventually but I also figured it would be better to have been thought older and able to pull it off than just categorized as junior high from the get go. The teen world never did hear of it. Oh and I swore my younger brother to secrecy on pain of various things and I did have to keep paying him off some in certain ways. But we got along so it wasn’t that hard.
As for longer term effect, yes it was a huge boost. But that fall I was off to a same sex prep school so the opportunities to cement what I’d learned were limited except at Xmas breaks back in my home town where I was still a higher beta without enough time to change that. Did have some success and dances leading to weekends leading to some sex and so on, but as I said on another thread I went up and down between lesser higher beta and lesser alpha in HS. Until the summer between my junior and senor year when I met my first love, a knockout and sex maniac. But that’s another story. Actually I told it on an earlier thread two weeks ago or so.
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Default User–
Oh and what lead me to tell this story to Bhetti was her asking me about “female predatory behavior” toward young teens, and whether I’d seen any of that myself in my social circles, etc.
I first answered her in the abstract, saying I thought it was mostly only a problem if the woman want to create a male submissive, which I didn’t think was usually the case. Then I thought I’d answer her by may own experience, but write it up in a way that would at first at least make her think maybe I was being drawn into more than I could handle, etc.
If that makes sense.
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dougjnn
So a (fairly) happy ending. I am glad.
As to Bhetti, I think she is still pining for you-know-who. Once you have tasted alpha trolling there is no going back.
And yes, I understood why you told the story.
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I voted the 7th girl a 5. I know she has a symmetrical face and all that, but she just doesn’t do much for me sexually.
I voted 4 for the Asian. Apparently most guys find her above average, but I don’t see it.
10 for the arched eyebrows based on her good pic.
9 for the Polish-looking chick with the French fry.
6 for the sixth girl, whereas most voted 3. I think she’s rather cute.
And the others are basically what you’d expect.
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dougjnn: Yes, it was. You’ve told this story before. How do you feel about it? I think it’s really creepy, that something was off with that girl, that surely it should’ve meant something different when you lost your virginity. It happened so fast as well. But, how do you feel about it? That IS the question. And you’ve said; it was positive from your view. I couldn’t guess how you felt or what it depended on; would all older women act this way? Would all younger boys feel like this? Some comments have said no to this question already. But what if she was 30, and not 18?
Regarding sleeping. I have surgeries to observe, wounded hearts to (persuade the docs to let me) examine… I’m four hours ahead if you’re west coast (I think? can’t be bothered to look it up) and have to be on the ward at eight. I feel no remorse for this cold-hearted bitchiness! CRY BOY CRY (shoot, you’ve brought out the beta abuse with that silliness…)
Lawyer from hell: Always open to my pretty or notsopretty lies being destroyed! Which is why I honestly wanted to know about people’s experience of older female predation; not something I’ve observed. Men underreport on every single type of abuse I can think of.
Tarl: My Arab parents are from the left? It’s apparently a Nigerian thing to want all kids to be educated — not even that — doctors, as well. Are they leftist? Or somehow indoctrinated by this left? Have people on the right ever went around recommending trying to make it out of unviersity? Perhaps through the army?
Vasectomies: Reversal rate is too high for the liking of health professionals: less likely of a reversal with a couple agreeing to not have kids (instead of some free young thing). Your equipment and genes are probably valuable to you, no matter what you may say to yourself because that’s evolution baby! Then again, if you all get vasectomies: the feminists will win, alphas will be stamped out and we will HAVE to resort to parthogenesis, MWAHAHAHA.
Ahem. Unlikely. You hope.
All these recession vasectomies? Looks like they will be more likely to want a reversal later, depending on if they feel ‘stable’. There is no guarantee reversals will work.
Is it really that hard to use contraception properly, learn to recognise when a woman is ovulating (surely with your VAST amount of experiences, you can develop a PUA version of spidersense about her temperature or whatever) and keep pregnancy-inducing ‘positions’ to a minimum?
College: It’s an easy way of making sure of job stability. If you have acumen, you take the hard way which is risky and independent.
Chuck: bewildering amount of betas in chick flicks but I don’t think the women who watch are so much attracted to the heros as to the heroine’s “journey” (why can’t I love/find a sexy beta? 😦 ), the comedy or the cheese. Dempsey is more loved in his role as McDreamy in Grey’s Anatomy where he’s not that much of a stereotypical beta. The character of House gets much more female love. Romance novels contain alpha heroes, but also the fantasy that a heroine can get them to commit forever. There’s this fantasy of reforming an alpha, and somehow he still keeps his hotness as a legacy.
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Default User: Too true, too true, my TJF, let me count the ways…
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dougjnn: It is 2:30 am here. I am off to bed. Do you want to know every time I go 😉 ?
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Bhetti —
Absolutely ecstatic. Bursting with joy. Puffed up. The happiest I’d ever felt in my life. I wanted to shout and yell, but didn’t, with some effort. This was after a whole night of screwing. We left that piling at the first light of dawn, arm in arm. Hugely greatful to her.
I felt like I’d become a man. Not theoretically, but really. I felt that I’d been let into some great secret of life early, and was vastly ahead of most guys because of it. I guess what I really felt was not that I’d just become a man but some kind of alpha man, getting to do that with such a luscious older girl who was so hot and sex hungry. I knew I was incredibly lucky, or fortunate anyway. She was good to me. She wanted me to be a man for her and I could be and she acted a girl to me, not someone telling me what to do, though gently guiding. Not to much guiding that first night. A little bit here and there on other ones.
She sure seemed to enjoy herself too Bhetti. Hugely. Not so much the the very first time I came, but after that. It was a many episode night, all night long. Many, many.
On reflection, and of course i’ve thought about this rather wonderful first time and the rest of the month I spent with her a whole lot, I think it would have been a lot safer for me if the first time had been with say a 33 yo, especially if she was a young mother (divorced perhaps), but probably not as amazing as it turned out to be.
Why? Because if I’d really screwed it up the 33yo would I think be really unlikely to be cruel or dismissive towards me. She’d let me down gently, or keep trying, not just beyond my first came in 60 seconds bit, pretty standard for a young guy very first thing, but if I’d messed up repeatedly the first night. On the other hand, she’d be maybe less likely to turn girly and act actually YOUNGER than me to me, as J did by the later parts of that night, after I’d hit my stride. Well maybe the mother would come to think of it, or anyway in a way, if she was getting lousy sex, as would be likely if she had that interest in me.
I really don’t think older women having sex with younger guys is that dangerous, most of the time. There should be some sanctions against it so that she’ll be scared of acting like a real shiite to him, which might (but it a guy probably wouldn’t) make he go off and seek someone’s counseling leading to her getting in significant trouble.
But again, if she’s looking to create a male submissive, lots of guys that age may be vulnerable to it. I know I wouldn’t have been though, so maybe that belief that many would be is wrong.
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Bhetti
Such a good girl Bhetti. Yes, do get some rest.
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This one’s going out to Little Miss IOI:
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dougjnn: what about using protection? I wish other guys would speak up about their experiences with this as well.
Sparks: That song reminds me of Night Magic by Charlotte Vale Allen for some reason. A romance with a sixteen year old girl falling in love with a much older, disfigured man.
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Let me also add that if you have the money, you could even buy 2 or 3 sexbots. No one doesn’t like a bit of variety.
One of the easiest things to configure in a sexbot would be appearance.
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Dougjnn, it seems that you liked your first experience, in a non-committed relationship while seeing another girl, so much that you modeled the rest of your life on it and became a life-long player.
Of course, had you committed as quickly as most other men of your generation you would have had a good chance of being run over by the divorce truck or stuck with a woman that hates you, so how ‘bad’ this was is open to debate. Especially since I believe you ended up married to a woman who loves you, right?
BUT, while you seem to have turned out well, the experience was still a transformative event, and not a little side show. It’s heavy stuff, and it can have good or bad effects. Very good or very bad.
Tra-la-la don’t cut it.
At least everyone seems to agree that context matters alot.
Let’s look at the dark side:
Dougjnn wrote:
Actually I think the whole harm to that girl thing is vastly exaggerated. She may have been traumatized by the bruhaha that first her mother but then by far mostly the media made of it. Prosecutors at first wanted to treat it rather quietly and let Polanski off with something suspended, but the media in the full flush of feminist expansionism at the time, wouldn’t let them.
End Dougjnn
You know what’s really cool? The ONLY TIME, EVER that Polanski used drugs to rape someone was with that girl. It’s a defining aspect of real sexual predators that they act once, then stop for the rest of their lives. That’s why Hammurabi’s code says cattle are to be repaid tenfold if the thief is caught. Because it’s fairly obvious that the one time the person was caught, that was probably NOT the only time.
Polanski IS a big-time director man with hot and cold girls on tap at his mansion, but still decided to rape a 13 year old girl with drugs. Why did he do that terrible thing? Because THATS WHAT HE LIKES TO DO.
That is my working definition of ‘monster’.
Your confusing the overreaction over ‘the slap’ or even full on fights(guy on guy), which is stupid in our culture, with rape. Rape is different from a slap. The rape of a 13 year old is COMPLETELY WITHOUT COMPARISON to the rape of a 25 year-old. As an adult, the 25 year old can bring to bear an adults strength and understanding to handling the event. A girl, or young woman, CANNOT. Neither can boys similarly molested.
And it takes a lot less than rape to cause serious life long problems for children, and they may not even remember the source. This has pretty much been completely documented by people with real problems in the real world who really don’t like the problems they have. And some of it has nothing to do with actual abuse. One woman obsessively outlined everything she saw…. eventually she recovered that the last time she saw her father alive was as an outline highlighted by the sun shining through the glass of the front door of their home. No abuse. ‘Simply’ a horrible event a child was unable to cope with.
This in no way removes the presence of Polanski’s in the world.
He didn’t want a 21 year old Perfect 10 that would do whatever he wanted. No, he wanted to rape a 13 year old girl. On a side note, Obama’s mother was raped by her families liberal friends.(They are quite comfortable admitting to ‘having sex with’ other underage girls, so I doubt she got away). She became the very model of stability after that, eh?
Polanski should be put to death. But that’s because I’m a merciful man.
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Sort of silly to draw any conclusions from this “data” given how few people responded. The part about agreement doesn’t mean much.
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She was on the pill.
Believe it or not I did ask her before the first time, as we were getting more than hot feeling each other.
My parents raised me right. They made weak efforts with the “wait until both you AND she are fully ready, and it will be meaningful, and not just an animal act” messages. Well my father did and my mother just left that part of things alone except it was clear she felt at least as much of a waiting message as my father was. But they both drilled home the message that getting a girl pregnant while I and she were young and not ready was the greatest danger I faced in screwing up my life, the way it was going (very well).
They just endlessly said that in endlessly different ways.
It took.
Bear in mind that I was arguing with my parents about social and political issues not to mention the ones that touched directly on me since I was about 10, if not before.
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Bhetti-
“Lawyer from hell: Always open to my pretty or notsopretty lies being destroyed! Which is why I honestly wanted to know about people’s experience of older female predation; not something I’ve observed. Men underreport on every single type of abuse I can think of.”
I think that for the vast majority of men, an experience like Doug’s, and as he points out, is seen as a cross of the threshold of becoming a man.
That said, if they had been caught, Doug wasn’t old enough to consent and the difference in ages is enough that in most states these days the 18 year old would be facing up to 100 years in prison, with mandatory registration for the rest of her life as a sex offender with required sex offender treatment.
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contrarian
I was not taking you seriously. I was poking fun at you.
I love contrarians, on many issues I am one.
If you want to be a contrarian then you should try to be interesting. Merely gainsaying the other argument does not make for worthwhile debate.
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Lawyer from Hell
Which is beyond absurd, isn’t it?
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OHMIGOD, TOKYO, *swoons* I MISSED YOU SO MUCH. It’s such an appropriate day for our reengagement (pun totally intended), don’t you think? I don’t even remember what debate you so adroitly, dextrously completely floored my utter nonsensicalness at, I’m sorry 😦
My feelings are real, stop questioning them!! No one has ignited my passion like you!
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Comment Ninja
One of the girls in the picture is Sara’s teenage daughter.
Which one?
I think all the girls in these pics look insecure except the last one and possibly the first one.
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