Here are the reader submitted nominees for the March 2009 Beta of the Month face-off.
March 2009 BOTM Candidate #1 was submitted by commenter Paul L. It’s a case study of a wretchedly nauseating beta marrying the ballcutting cybersuccubus who rides the rancid menstrual flow at the feministing coven.
I mean, just take a look at this guy and you already know what’s coming.

This is really going to be painful for me to write. The things I do for you people. Here is the full measure of his betatude as told in the words of his fiance.
As many of you already know, I’m getting hitched. Deciding to get married brought up a lot of issues for me – politically and personally. Folks had a bunch of questions in comments, so I thought I would use these as a jumping off point to talk about issues of feminism, marriage, and – the current bane of my existence – weddings.
Hara says, “I hope that if you are considering changing your name it is one you both create for the two of you to change to (like a combo, but shorter) otherwise, I suggest not making your name change to his last name.”
As marriage is a well known raw deal for men, any man who acquiesces to his wife keeping her maiden name is only garnishing his testicles he’s already placed on a plate for her, like John the Beta’s head. At the very least, a man should demand his wife take his name in honor of the tremendous sacrifice he’s making by chaining himself to marriage and all the state-sponsored anti-male tyranny that entails.
I’m keeping my last name. I think hyphenation is nice – and that’s probably the route we’ll go with kids – but I like my last name. A bunch. I’ve even considered adding in my mother’s last name as well, as a little “fuck you” to the patriarchy, but I think Jessica Michelucci Valenti is too much of a mouthful, even for one with as big a mouth as me.
What this confused broad doesn’t seem to grasp is that her maiden name is her father’s surname. So instead of passing on her husband’s surname, she passes on her father’s surname. The male lineage continues, just not her husband’s. Hyphenation is a direct “fuck you” to a man’s masculinity, as it not only denies the smallest acknowledgement of his dignity but rubs his face in his dishonor by elevating his father-in-law’s manhood over his own.
Any man worth his stones reading this, take my advice. If your fiance tells you she’s keeping her last name in marriage, tell her “No, you’re taking mine. End of discussion.” If she refuses your demand, dump her forthwith. I’ve just saved you a miserable fucking marriage to a shrike and a painful divorce settlement after you’ve caught her boffing the slam poetry dude whose show you took her to in celebration of women’s herstory month.
On the issue of same sex marriage, frye886 says, “It seems to me a more powerful action by many couples would be to refuse to get married and publicly state the reasons why not.”
If you’re basing your decision to get married on the legal status of gay marriage, you’re asking to be flayed alive by soul reapers such as myself.
Andrew and I discussed not getting married until everyone could, and we think that’s an understandable choice.
“Andrew and I discussed” means “Andrew listened while I told him what we were doing”.
Instead, we’re trying use our impending marriage as a pro-active way to talk about same sex marriage among our friends and family, and being mindful of the inequity in every step our process. (For example, in our engagement announcement we asked anyone considering getting us a gift to instead donate to an organization fighting for same sex marriage rights; we’re planning on saying something about it as part of our ceremony; and we’ve taken the advice of several commenters and will have cards indicating we’ve made a donation to said orgs instead of favors.)
With all this insufferable moral preening, you’d think gays were being lined up against the wall and shot. How much you wanna bet this Jessica nutcase is a closet lesbo?
Several of you also got into it about dresses – whether the traditional white dress actually did signify “purity,” etc. I’m kind of ambivalent about it, but I ended up getting a not-quite white dress (don’t want to give too much away in case the boy is reading!) that I bought from a place where all the money goes to charity.
“Don’t want to give too much away in case the boy is reading!” It’s funny how even the most strident feminists can’t help but swoon like little princesses for the traditional trappings of the wedding ceremony. Yeah, white is definitely not her color. She’s likely to be as pure as a refurbished vibrator. I wonder what color she got? Rainbow?
So that’s where I’m at so far. I’m sure things will continue to come up and that I’ll continue to try and find ways to subvert them or add a little dash of feminism.
Any guy who agrees to marry this wo-man is asking for a world of emasculation. Some guys will do anything for the pussy, so their’s is an act with at least some reasoning behind it. But our intrepid beta is plank-walking to his figurative castration with his eyes wide open. He *celebrates* it. Those limpid beta eyes say it all. As does his “progressive” resume. His life hereafter will be full of dashes of feminism and subversion of his manliness. Look at this chick’s man-jaw:

I think we’ve identified the boss monster. She is not LTR material, let alone marriage material. She is same night lay material and rocket launcher material.
“Quite an experience to live in fear, isn’t it? That’s what it is to be a slave.”
In the meantime, does anyone have any feminist wedding planning tips they’d like to share?
For him: punch your eardrums out.
For her: try not to let the ringing of my words distract you as you’re walking down the aisle.
ps: She will cheat on him within five years of exchange of wedding vows. And he will condone it and blame himself.
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March 2009 BOTM Candidate #2 was submitted by commenter stacy. It’s the heartwarming Lifetime channel story of a generous man who lets his ex-wife and her new boy toy husband move into his house.
Struggling to make ends meet, trying to dig themselves out of debt, Nicole Thompson-Arce and her husband have moved in with her ex-husband.
Together, the unlikely threesome of Omaha, Nebraska, is raising two young daughters from the first marriage.
When I started the BOTY project, I was skeptical that there were enough betas of such vomitously unique circumstances to fill a year’s worth of submissions. My skepticism was unfounded. Just when you think you’ve heard it all, some guy steps up to the plate and knocks his testicles out of the park.
When she and Craig Thompson, 42, were going through a divorce in 2005, this was not a deal either of them could have imagined striking. It was a messy divorce, the kind involving a custody dispute. But once they ironed out that battle, agreeing to joint custody, Thompson-Arce said they were able to move on and forward.
Moving on and forward means never seeing the bitch again, not helping her and her new husband move into your home and fuck under your roof. I think half the reason so many women initiate divorce and revel in sticking it to their ex-husbands good and hard is because these beta chumps LET THEM DO IT and come crawling back BEGGING FOR MORE.
By the time she married Mathew Arce last July, she said she and her ex were friends. In fact, they were so close that his mother — meaning Thompson-Arce’s ex-mother-in-law — was in (not just at) the second wedding ceremony.
Is a man a loser when he cannot even comprehend his own dishonor?
“I knew they were having money problems, so I just asked them to move in,” he said. “I figured I’d get to see my girls, my daughters, more often. And Nicole said yes right away.”
Some men want their kids in their lives, severely cramping their nightlife and game and sucking all the fun out of life. I can’t understand why, but there it is. The child custody laws are so inimical to the fathers’ interests that arrangements like the one in this hellish story seem reasonable to fathers who have no other recourse.
Thompson [the ex-husband] and Arce [the new husband], who are 20 years apart — “I had to get the whole spectrum going there,” Thompson-Arce [the ex-wife] joked — have become the best of friends, and share a similar sense of humor. They have tackled home improvement projects, run around together on days they both have off and often hang out at the kitchen table building plastic models.
Do they swap guy tips on how to flick the bean hiding in the folds of her fat droopy vulva? The ex-wife is so fat and ugly maybe this guy just doesn’t give a shit that she’s getting boned two doors down the hallway in his own home. Not that this mitigates the disrespect issue, but it goes a way to explaining his seeming indifference. You be the judge:

The transition has been smooth and great for the kids, Thompson-Arce said. And for their benefit, irrespective of finances, she thinks it’s a living situation they’ll stick with for at least five to 10 years.
10 years. Notice she’s calling the shots here.
It has, however, taken a little time for the little ones to get the story straight.
Seven-year-old Victoria went back to school after winter break — and after the whole team had blended under one roof — and started telling people this: ” ‘My mommy has two husbands,'” Thompson-Arce remembered. “I was like, ‘No, honey, don’t tell them that!'”
This is all sorts of fucked up. Hey, on the upside, once the two daughters reach bangability age they’ll be so full of neuroses and daddy issues that a teen guy looking to score could just fall into their pussies.
“When they do have a romantic evening, I don’t hear them, so we’re not going there,” Thompson quipped. “There’s a bathroom between our two bedrooms.”
Beta, shoot thyself.
Women love these kinds of stories because they get to live vicariously through the fantasy of banging the guy they really desire while the good provider chump practically neuters himself with his amiable acquiescence.
I thought there was a possibility that the beta ex-husband was redeeming himself by dating around. Tomcatting with his newfound freedom would make him slightly less beta. But no…
The ex-husband hasn’t dated since the divorce. He said it’s because he’s been focused on work and taking care of the kids. Thompson-Arce, however, said that she and her husband are forever trying to get Thompson on the dating scene and want him to meet someone special.
Special, and understanding, she would most definitely need to be.“He’d have to find a very open-minded woman because we don’t plan on going anywhere anytime soon,” Thompson-Arce said.
He’s a loveless loser.
It’s one thing to marry a warpig and get shafted by her in divorce court.
It’s another thing to invite her and her new husband into your home so they can screw right under your nose.
It’s still another thing to let your kids witness your total and utter humilation and emasculation.
But it’s a whole new level of beta to sit passively by as your seacow ex-wife lays down the rules of engagement and tells you how it’s gonna be.
I hate both of these wrecks equally. MMmmm… delicious, life nourishing hate.
The voting:
Addendum
I thought about adding this story to the March 2009 BOTM voting, but a guy who lets his GF fuck him up the ass with a giant purple saguaro so she can fulfill a twisted fantasy is more of a freak than a beta. He at least is presumably fucking her in the usual way most of the time, so his journey to the beta side is not yet complete.

rides the rancid menstrual flow
If regular surfing has gotten too boring, you’ve got to try something new, right?
Peter
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Roissy —
What happened to judging and commenting on the comments to your “How Good is Your Social Acumen” “test” post? It’s what, four days back now?
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Couldn’t agree more. In fact men, use her reluctance to change her last name as a litmus test of her.
In our current horrificly feminist American environment, particularly in the big cities, it shouldn’t perhaps be immediately disqualitying that she at first balks slightly. But if she persists after you in manly macho fashion express your quietly STRONG feelings on the matter — don’t give her the ring. Period. End of story.
Do you really want to be married to an insistent exponent of radical feminism?
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It’s usually about as Beta as you can get when a man takes on a “combination” name after getting married. For instance, when John Smith marries Jane Johnson, they both take on the surname Smithjohnson. In what must be an illustration of the saying that there’s an exception to every rule, a well-known man of impeccable Alpha credentials did just that.
Peter
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Well I posted the comment above before getting to this. Ground well covered I see.
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Absolutely, except I’d make it more like three years.
Actually he and she are prime candidates for a knowing cuckold relationship. I think they will be a lot of those as gen Y gets a bit further into their marriage years.
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Jesus H. fucking christ on a crutch.
KILL THEM ALL!
(p.s. i doubt this will go through. all my replies in the last thread didnt go through. funny. business)
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In theory, the first beta male reeks of extreme feminism while the second beta seems be to be stuck in what’s essentially de facto cuckolding. Now from the loser beta male perspective that only I can provide, I’d argue that the first beta is probably the bigger beta.
I suspect it’s the ultra-SWPL politics of the first beta that cloud up our opinion of him, and I’ll admit that I see nothing wrong with your wife keeping her name. Common sense would dictate that taking her name is silly unless you really hate your last name.
In contrast for the second beta, it’s quite possible that he’s just a low-testosterone, happy go lucky beta who just wants to be with his kids. It’s interesting to note that his wife has encouraged him to date, and yet, he’s opted to stay single.
As for the women, the first beta’s fiancée is rather masculine looking, but oddly, the masculine look on a white woman still doesn’t carry the same penalty that it would in a black woman. She’s not “boyish” cute, but borders the effeminate gay man in drag look. In regards to the second, with the makeup and wedding dress, she’s a 5, and while she is obviously fat, she comes with the large tits bonus.
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At least the second guy has two excuses:
1. His ex is a warpig- so who cares if she’s f-in.
2. He wants to see his kids
If he makes them pay rent its almost passable. He’s still a beta though.
The first guy? Really you’re gonna get married and not ave her take your name? Really?
Why bother then? A man’s home is suppose to be his castle- and a woman taking his name is her way of acknowledging she belongs in his castle as a part of him. Don’t like it- get out. My house- my rules. No discussion.
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I couldn’t investigate the lame world of beta like our munificent host – I’d retch.
re the “combo name” the frigging mayor of LA did that. Name’s Villargorosa or some shit.
Imagine if his wifey was of another, non PC ethnic type.
Villarberg. Villarski. O’Villar-Heere
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Actually he and she are prime candidates for a knowing cuckold relationship.
Somehow, I theorized that it’s simply a reverse dynamic. In other words, they could be a loyal committed couple, except he’s the “wife” and she’s the “husband”. OTOH, as some will point out, her high T may imply a sex drive that he’s unable to deal with.
Admittedly, I thought about such a situation for me (sans cuckolding) but even with my somewhat submissive habits, I reek of a stubbornness that real submissives don’t have.
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The only real excuse that the 2nd beta has is that he’s old and looks older and obviously has lost every drop of testosterone he ever had – though it was very unlikely ever very much. He looks like a grandma in fact.
Some excuse.
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Will the later life history of beta #1 trace the trajectory of beta #2?
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I voted for #1, only because he is young enough to have other options. The other guy is a fat old loser whose opportunity costs aren’t as great.
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There’s no fuckin’ contest! #2 my a country mile! The whole point of divorce it to be rid of your bad mate choice. He asks for a boner in the ass daily!
Those poor kids…
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Roissy, check both of these videos out just in case you haven’t seen them. Mystery is in them.
Mystery destroyes soul/ball crushing shit tests:
http://revver.com/video/175456/mystery-plows-thrugh-shit-tests-live-sarge-video/
Mystery and student Tyler Durden(back then) on shit test aswell:
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A) is the bigger beta because he is jumping through hoops and fears that his balding, bespectacled self could never do as “well” again.
B) is an omega who’s thrown in the towel.
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DA
You wouldn’t DA, you wouldn’t.
You also wouldn’t have any problem, really, with a “wife lead marriage”, though you might in admitting it here.
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is it possible for a woman to look like more of a man-hating feminazi than the brunette broad?
my skin crawls when i see women like her out in public. the stench of the man hate emanating from their pores is overwhelming.
i voted for guy #1. the reason is that he still has a chance to run from this woman. she is executive editor for a feminist website. all of the signs are there for this guy to avoid her like the plague yet he’s still going to marry her. he’s doing so, having to know that she is only with him because he’s not “too manly”. Her type of woman being in a relationship with him should make him reconsider what kind of man he is.
i believe the second guy just wants company and wants to be able to see his kids. his life has already been fucked, might as well pile on the shit.
guy number 1 has a tiny sliver of hope still. guy number 2’s balls have already been ripped from his sack, guy number 1 still has a faint trace of them.
when i judge these types of things i use the Pity Test. whichever soul i feel most pitiful for is most beta. pity is a terrible emotion, both for the pitier and the pitee making it the most beta of feelings. i feel gut-wrenching pity for the first guy. when i see his picture i shake my head a little and drop my shoulders in defeat.
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I think Jessica is a six and while we snicker, there’s a chance those crazy kids could make it. I voted for Beta #2.
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“but rubs his face in his dishonor by elevating his father-in-law’s manhood over his own.”
In addition to the name change, I believe the change-over of authority, deference, respect, etc. is part of the reason why the traditional wedding ceremony calls for the father of the bride to give the bride away to the groom. It’s deeper than it looks. It’s for the bride –here is your new man; it’s for the groom, here is your woman –I, her father, give her openly and freely to you; it’s for the father –ah, my time is passing, it is the time of a new generation, I must relinquish….
Who will give her away? She’s a feminist. There will be no giving away? She will give herself? Such confusion….
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btw, roissy read that story about the beta taking the strap on. He claims he fell in love with his gf on the first date (by the “5th inning” of the ball game they were at) even while she told him she was in an “open relationship.” He was ready to bend over on the first date.
beta.
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The first broad is definately a dude with a wig on. I can see a 5 o’clock shadow.
The second broad, well that’s obviously a hairless albino chimpanzee. duh.
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One thing about the second Beta story: it’s not actually the ex-husband’s house, his mother owns it. And to make things even more strange, her ex-husband lives in the basement.
I’d have to say that the most Beta person in the story is the new husband.
Peter
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Roissy: It’s not traditional for muslim women to take their husband’s last name. I think this is a South Asian and Arabic tradition as well. However: Arabic middle names are your father’s first name. Due to this, I wouldn’t have been very receptive to changing it but I suppose I should appreciate the demasculinisation it induces in Western men.
I like how Mr Anal Sex equates it to clearing the dinner table. The wrong audience would then equate the two and do neither.
I can’t betatise number two too much because he’s doing it for the kids, not for her.
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I would’ve voted for Mr ItHurts in all probability. If only he was female, he’d make a good wife…
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I think we have to look at how the alpha/beta dynamic establishes with whom one is paired, not necessarily the degree of sexual satisfaction. I mean, technically speaking, sex is easy, being seen as a catch is hard. Valenti is a published author with several books under her belt and it is simply usual for authors to keep the names they were published under. Her husband-to-be is par for the SWPL course, and we really don’t know what their sex life is like, and I would argue that a lot of the supposed harshness of Valenti’s looks is simply because she has an angular Italian face and she wears her hair in a style that frames her jawline like a rainbow-and-its-reflection pairing. Golis, by contrast, is an impeccable Jewish SWPL urban beta, a member of a community dying out from its women’s selection for “alphas alone”, and it’s not surprising at all that he’s marrying out. His Harvard degree was not followed by the holy trinity of MD/JD/MBA from Ivy or equivalent that wets JAP Pu$$y, and this could probably be considered a “meeting of the minds” that will serve them both.
I do differ with DA in that I believe that technically-proficient multi-orgasmic sex is within the reach of any man willing to make the effort, so I don’t see competence itself as the issue in the “no one wants to fuck you” side of beta-ness. Of course, he might be privately appalled at the idea of being an orgasm donor for HIS culture’s version of Non-Date Girlfriend, which is (in mynotsohumbleopinion) how non-ranking Jewish men handle the dynamic of betaness. There are worse things in life than fucking NDG, and then she would be your NDGFE.
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Skynet has read all of the articles, including the dildo article. Skynet has decided all humans must be destroyed. Nuclear launch initiated.
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Most of the women posters here skew a bit towards distrust-of-other-women, so this may not be useful, but I’ll share for the interests of other women readers. On sacrifice and being vulnerable:
I once would not have imagined changing my surname in marriage. I used to doodle “Dr. B—, Dr. B—.” I relented after understanding how important it was to my fiance, and then felt a loss over it. Despite Roissy’s comment about identification through one’s father, it was still part of *my* identity. Now advance the calendar a decade or two. I’m very proud to share the same surname with my children and husband. I didn’t initially look that far into the future.
The process of making oneself vulnerable, or losing a part of ones identity, creates a debt to the partner to be beholden to your welfare. It creates a stronger bond. Similarly, my husband once agreed to a move that would have advantaged my career over his. We didn’t make the move, but I knew his intentions were sincere. His willingness to be vulnerable put me beholden, or into debt, for his welfare. Marriage bond strengthened again.
I’ve thought about this in the context of the pervasive fear of marriage at this site. If one partner were severely emotionally scarred or severely averse to the risks of legal marriage , one or the other of the partners must sacrifice *hugely* to preserve the union. A decision either way, leaves one partner in deep, deep debt to the welfare of the other, and the bond strengthened. I strongly believe that marriage serves the interests of children.; that children deserve the best, and that marriage is the highest level of commitment to children. It may be in some cases, however, that a stronger bond might rise out of sacrifice, but I shudder to admit that. Alternatively, maybe if someone is that emotionally scarred or risk-averse, they best not have children.
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Jessica,
Glen Danzig called. He wants his jawline back.
Guess that covers the “something borrowed”.
Congrats,
-RF
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Anyone who would marry anyone from Feministing — much less the founder — gets my vote.
Being a man and marrying a man-hating feminist is being an African-American and marrying a KKK member. Eventually, all that hate will come home.
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haha… both of those guys are losers. have fun with all that.
and HOLY SHIT, strap-on butt-sex dude is a complete freak. HELL NO is what I would say if my woman asked to bang me in the ass. omg, that story made me wince in pain for SO many reasons.
every one of em needs to be beaten
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God damn, if the mother is so worthless she still has to depend on her ex-husband for support then why does she have legal custody of the fucking children? So the weird Mexican guy can molest the daughters?
A part of me desperately wants to believe this is all part of the older guys diabolical plan to get his kids back. Wait for the wife and her worthless husband to become utterly dependent on him, and then boot them out on their ass on some phony, alarming pre-text. And then sue for full custody, since the two fat homeless mooches aren’t fit to be parents.
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Alpha/beta; what does it matter? Sex is for the discovery of love pure and simpl for both sexes, and if you don’t use it as such you’re missing out on the greatest discovery life has to offer. You’re basically shooting blanks after blanks after blanks in a futile effort to find something that you don’t even know you’re looking for or needing. And if you do know; you’re missing what is everywhere present in the sex act itself. “The fish is thirsty in the river.” and you go on your desperate, merry little way, always thirsting for……what? You don’t even know. Pleasure? A cheap substitute that keeps you wanting more and more and you’re never satisfied.
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A part of me desperately wants to believe this is all part of the older guys diabolical plan to get his kids back. Wait for the wife and her worthless husband to become utterly dependent on him, and then boot them out on their ass on some phony, alarming pre-text.
The ex-husband can’t boot them out even if he wanted to, because as I noted in an earlier comment it’s his mother’s house.
Peter
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I almost abstained because I was so disgusted. I decided to go with number one. Like voting for McCain in NY, sometimes you just have to do whatever makes you smile.
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My mom kept her maiden name. My parents are still together and happy.
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Bhetti my love, I know that’s true in Iberian countries (Spain and Portugal) as well.
Putting that aside, the point is that feminists have decided (apropos of no real evidence—no surprise there from that illogical cult) that the traditional arrangement in our culture (and by our I mean Anglo-American) of a woman taking her husband’s last name is antifeminist.
Therefore, despite the fact that it is abrasive, in your face, and thoroughly a put down of her husband (because he has NO say in the matter), she will reject his name, or worse, force him to remove his own.
Her actions are designed to emasculate her husband precisely because she wants it to be.
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I forsee #1 in 5 years as inviting black guys over off the internet to gang bang his wife while he is forced to watch and masturbate—because “they” (meaning her) decided it would strengthen their marriage, and the whole “”monogomy” thing is sexist.
So yeah, they might last. With him in chains.
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You also wouldn’t have any problem, really, with a “wife lead marriage”, though you might in admitting it here.
I’m one of those suckers who is holding out hope for an “equal” marriage where nobody leads, but everything is done by consensus. The “wife lead marriage” is really an escape valve where I secure a non-ugly high-IQ career oriented white woman in a sexless marriage where my children become high-IQ themselves and they’re able to become members of elite. In exchange for me giving up sex, I have the right to masturbate whenever I want, and she gets somebody willing to put up with her. Regardless, if she cheats on me, I will leave her.
The secret bonus of a wife lead marriage is that I get to blame her since she’s the leader.
I think Jessica is a six and while we snicker, there’s a chance those crazy kids could make it.
If she doesn’t cheat, then it probably could work out.
a member of a community dying out from its women’s selection for “alphas alone”
I thought Jewish men fled their women due to the annoying tendencies of the princess segment of the community.
There are worse things in life than fucking NDG, and then she would be your NDGFE.
NDGFE?
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Hey “ode to the married man”—gloria Steinem called, she’s organizing her butch lesbian orgy next week. You might want to go.
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These examples are just too extreme to be of illustrative use. These people are out and out freaks, of which you can always find plenty in America.
Bitch #1 is nothing special, but she is a much better piece than Loser #1 is likely to get so that’s got to be his motivation. Even if he is a very weak man he will soon come to regret it.
Probably Loser #1 can’t afford to date, being sucked dry with child support. And after having been raked over the coals by a fat bitch, he is probably pretty depressed and does not feel like trying.
And if he did go out and date, what would he date? A fat divorced bitch with two kids like his ex-wife. Why bother? Frankly he’s probably better off jerking off to internet porn.
I have not ever married a bitch, but I lived with one for about six months. (I was unemployed, ready to leave the state, and she offered.) I learned where the Sam Kinison scream comes from.
Life’s negative lessons, what not to do, are just as important as life’s positive lessons, what to do. Don’t get into credit card debt. Don’t work for shady people. Avoid doing things that damage your self-respect, unless you need to do them to survive. Don’t get into relationships, friendships and especially romantic relationships, with people who do not treat you with respect. It is better to be alone than to be with bad people.
I am 45 and have never married. I have always wanted to, but never had the opportunity. My friends and aquaintances who have married have generally recommended against it. I have trouble agreeing that it’s always a bad idea but I will acknowledge, as I think everyone must, it is very risky. A business or career failure just wipes out your savings and earning potential. A divorce without kids costs you a lot of money and grief but has an ending point after which you can move on. A divorce with children is a financial and emotional disaster that goes on for years.
As the sergeant used to say on “Hill Street Blues”- “Be careful out there.”
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Both entries were too long to read.
But the second is easily the more Beta. I just had to read the first paragraph to see that.
He is letting the boyfriend LIVE IN THEIR HOUSE. Other men will see this as ridiculous.
In the first case, the woman is somewhat attractive. Yes, the Beta has been brainwashed into second-class status, in exactly the same way that women in Saudi Arabia defend their own oppression as being morally superior to the lives of Western women. But he is surrounded by so much feminist propaganda that, frankly, it would be hard for most men to even figure out how they are being shafted.
When 100% of the people who surround you believe a certain thing, it is hard to break out. In Beta#2’s case, even people who know him would think that is weird.
So Beta#2 sucks more.
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“My mom kept her maiden name. My parents are still together and happy.”
Your father has been enslaved. Some slaves are happy. But your mother is the boss, period.
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#1 by far.
At least the second guy fought to take the kids away from his ex-warpig. That at least tells me he has a pair and won’t give into women so easily, and ended up with joint-custody which isn’t all too common nowadays for men to get.
The first guy is fighting FOR his own domination and subservience. And look at the picture he used for his profile pick. Head cocked to the side? open mouth? smirk? Look at her: mouth shut. Head straight. Looks totally dominant. I mean, for those of you who voted #2, how the hell did that story trump #1???
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Most beta SONG in the history of recorded music, lyrics guaranteed to induce nausea:
(women of course liked that song)
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iron/Peter
Can you say Matriarchy? Pure and simple.
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Oh my god, the woman is actually a Feministing columnist!
http://feministing.com/jessica.html
While most young women parrot feminist propaganda, they do relent if pinned down in a debate. In my workplace, all the women who got married in the last 5 years changed their names (no hyphens). So they aren’t so brainwashed.
But this woman clearly has never smiled in her adult life. She is seething with man-hate (yet refuses to say anything negative about Islam).
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Sebastian Flyte
Is she still sexing him regularly and with enthusiasm? Who wears the pants in the family?
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Feministing requires registration to comment there. I really, really want Jessica Valenti to read this article and get a vein-popping stroke. How do we get it to her?
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Chuck —
I’d bet serious money that the feminazi who’s marrying beta #1 because she has consciously thought out that she will be able to get away with affairs while married to him.
Hell she may have even tried that out while they were gf/bf. She expressed regret at having “slipped up” but it just happened, and didn’t change her deep love for HIM. Beta #1 felt waves of loving relief after hearing that, and forgave her from the bottom of his heart.
So yeah, he passed her cuckold shit test. Wheww. Way to go beta #1.
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The largest problem with feminism is that it is, at its heart, a conspiracy theory.
Now, normally, most people don’t believe in conspiracy theories. And the easiest way to disprove one—or at least cast doubt—is to show all the things that would have to be true for it to be right.
However, if a conspiracy theory were hammered into our heads with propaganda constantly, and were taught to us in schools as truth.
Remember how many people bought the JFK conspiracy after JFK, the movie, came out? And that was one mere movie, and filled (ad nauseum) with factual errors that have been debunked countless times. And yet it is still a popular theory.
With feminism, it is hammered home every day in universities, which give it credibility, and the media sells it like hot cakes.
So we can dismiss it all we want, but the fruitcakes who believe in it and promote it have largely taken over society. Witness this man-hating bitch and her loser husband-to-be.
Its the equivalent of “Loose Change” being the official story behind 9/11.
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But this woman clearly has never smiled in her adult life.
Jessica has a large photo collection on Flickr, and as far as I can tell most of them are conventional chick pix (hanging out with friends, her dog and cat, vacation shots, stuff like that). She doesn’t look anywhere near as hostile in most of them as she does in her “official” photo shown above.
Peter
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Tood — that’s my point entirely. The “man-hate” is just for betas. Islam is the enemy of Betas so she defends it.
Feminists are just the uber-Sex and the City girls. They take to extremes what most single women think and do.
Of course most women HATE HATE HATE betas. Why wouldn’t they? They love Islam because Islam hates Beta Male Westerners and kills them. Many women of this kind love that about them too.
Look at the widow of Daniel Pearl. SHE couldn’t wait to embrace her husband’s killers.
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Aenigma
Excusing it marks you as unspeakably beta.
Don’t kid yourself. He didn’t want the divorce. This way he doesn’t have to lose her!! He’s secretly or not so secreatly thrilled about that.
The fact that he doesn’t get sex, ever, with his still beloved, forever #1 in his heart and in a position no other woman can ever replace, is for him a small price to pay to have her so close. So too is it a small price to pay that he’s the babysitter, all the time, and the subordinate, in this house of Matriarchy.
You pussy.
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DA,
Everyone SAYS it’s because of the annoying princess tendency. But the central annoying princess tendency is the price tag. It’s easy to make excuses, but the fact is that a certain percentage of male Jews have a Lebenslauf other than doctor/lawyer/indian chief, and 6s and 7s start in the $100,000-$200,000/yr range. An interesting corollary is that some Jewish men who marry out choose non-African-American Black women, either Caribbean, UK, or the very much rarer EU-Black-middle-class, which is a change from the stereotype of Jew as Asian or shiksa chaser.
Oh, and it’s “Non-Date-Girlfriend Experience”.
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I was bracing myself for fireworks when I told my fiancee that her taking my last name was the only non-negotiable item before our wedding (but I did stop short of telling her it was the dealbreaker it would have been otherwise)
Her response: “OK.”
Twelve years later and still going strong. I’ve always agreed with roissy’s “don’t get married” advice in general, but sometimes even some guys get lucky.
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One point I forgot to add: while you can;t really disprove—only cast doubt—many people cling to conspiracy theories because it makes them feel as if their life has a mission: to expose and destroy the great evil conspirators. It is an us v., them mentality, a bunker mentality, that veers into cult-like worship of the conspiracy above all others.
Hence why feminists are so shrewish and bitter bitches. Ever meet an anti-government, John Bircher type living in the woods? Or an inner city black convinced that the CIA created AIDS and crack and 9/11 (see Mos Def)?
They are the most strident, annoying, loud, illogical, braying beasts, who refuse to be proven wrong, and merely shout over the evidence. They *know* they are right, so no evidence *can* disprove them. They have bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.
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“But our intrepid beta is plank-walking to his figurative castration with his eyes wide open.”
No way. He had his balls munched and swallowed long ago. Probably by an aunt sometime before puberty.
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That is why I say that :
1) The SINGLE MOST VALUABLE thing about know Game is to avoid getting manipulated and screwed over. Avoidance of disaster is the biggest value of Game. Scoring with hotties is only the second most valuable benefit.
Not knowing Game is very much like never using a seatbelt your whole life. The net increase in risks is comparable. Some people never have a car crash their whole lives, but if you do, the lack of a seatbelt increases your chances of dying.
2) Becoming moderately competent in Game is worth about $2 million in net worth. This is only moderate competence, not advanced Game (which very few people ever get to). I have defined elsewhere what comprises of moderate competence. Plus, it is tax-free and recession proof.
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Manginas who support Feminists are more of a problem than Feminism itself. All politicians fall into this category.
Feminists Suck.
Feminism Sucks.
Manginas who support Feminists suck even more.
And Valenti’s ManJaw™ looks like it’s taken more blows than Glass Joe.
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If he had any he wouldn’t be the neuter he is.
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Again, in my workplace in Silicon Valley, all of the young women who got married in the last 5 years changed their last names to their husband’s without ‘hypens’. These are a mixture of white and Asian women.
I think the typical woman parrots feminist values, but relents on them when the moment of truth comes.
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Those two betas make me, for the first time ever, happy and proud to be an omega male whom women shun. Previously, I had no idea how much worse my life could be.
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“Look at the widow of Daniel Pearl. SHE couldn’t wait to embrace her husband’s killers.”
When did she embrace her husband’s killers? I did not see evidence of that.
What you are saying about Islam and Feminism is true as long as feminists are not directly affected by it. When they start to get affected, you will see their attitudes change, and they will start to hide behind the strong men of the military.
More Western areas allowing Sharia Law in Islamic matters (as is already the case in Britain) will lead to more Beta males converting to Islam just for the more favorable divorce laws. They don’t actually have to practice Islamic duties, but merely getting certified as a convert will allow them to avoid Western divorce laws. This will make feminists apeshit, and cause a civil war among different leftist factions (multiculturalists vs. feminists and gays).
Given the vast delta between feminist and Islamic reproductive rates, this is not far off.
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Ode to the Married Man
I’m sick and tired of your psychobable and only psychobable about everything.
Men on this site feel, for very good reason, that marriage in America has become legally and for the most part socially, and ENTIRELY one way commitment.
Men when they marry pledge to economically support their wife and children if she decides to have them for decades (alone, because he can do nothing if she tricks him and haves them against his wishes).
A woman doesn’t even in any way enforceable, including by what happens in property and support settlement in divorce, agree to have sex with her husband in a modern American marriage.
Of course it’s expected that she will, and do her fair share of the total work (a between earning a living, running a household and caring for children) but it’s all optional for her. If she decides to quit work or work part time a little while after marriage, our culture dictates that that should all be up to her, and her decision (and it IS hers alone, as scornful derision of any pressuring husband in either direction will make clear) that’s entirely up to her. Any man who decides that’s unfair and that he might want to leave her if she doesn’t relent will be treated as an utter pariah. Yet if a man married to a professional woman decides the very same thing he will be piloried by much of society. The only way it’s conceivably OK is if it’s what his wife REALLY, REALLY wants.
Marriage is all about obligations for men, and options for women. Who very, very often have much less sex with their husband a year or two into their marriage security.
If you want marriage to not continue to decline in the US and the west, how about making divorce, and the obligations of women in marriage (such as good and regular sex for their husbands), a lot more fair?
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Sara —
That’s all well and good and I agree.
How about we stop this regime though where men have to pay women off with lots of money if the woman in question decides for whatever reason that all in it isn’t working for her any more?
I mean in this day and age where women can earn just as much money as men can if they really want to as much, and prepare accordingly. Which of course on average they still and for ever more don’t.
This unprecedentedly extremist feminist environment would be when they would, if ever.
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This is really going to be painful for me to write. The things I do for you people.
Ha! We appreciate it, mate!
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Tood
Do us and them a public service and register there.
Then write a very mild, even a congratulatory comment there about her marriage getting notice for the strong feminist statement it is, with a link to this specific post of Roissy’s (not just the blog’s front page, since that will roll over.)
You’ll get banned eventually but you’ll send her, and a number of her readers, to here. You might even pull her husband to be here.
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The guy whose ex wife and her latino love toy lives with him … he’s not a man at all; he looks like a grandmother. So he doesn’t count. He probably has the testosterone level of a grandmother.
Anyone who would marry that hatchet faced witch looking to “subvert the patriarchy” is an anal rape statistic waiting to happen. He wins by my lights.
There is a large subculture of broads out here in La La land (the strap on nancy boy is in San Francisco … of course) who fuck men up the ass with a strap on, and males who like it. I used to hang around with one, and thought her stories of anally probing various tough guy types to be hilarious. Why, in a million years, would any man go with a woman who would even dream of doing such a thing? They’re not women! They’re gay men with detachable penises.
Also, lol at Mystery. Quality work. Can’t see why it was worth the trouble, other than as a demonstration of ability, but Brother Lupo can recognize some handy jiu jitsu when he sees it.
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Holy cow, those are two awful tales. It was really hard to decide which one was worse, but I think that what #2 has done is a more clasically beta act in theory. Given the specific circumstances of #1, however, I’m inclined to say he deserves some kind of special eunuch award for submitting to marriage with such a bitch.
BTW, according to internet sources, Andrew Golis graduated from Harvard in 2006. Assuming this date refers to the completion of his undergraduate degree, and that he began college at the typical age of 18, he’s about 25 now. And engaged to a 30 year old. Nice. Shouldn’t he be banging some 21 year old cutie? The cougar-fangs only grow longer from here on out, pal.
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Most Married Men are totally brainwashed into Betatude. Given that they only socialize with other married couples, this is inevitable.
Men do want children, however. This is what keeps the scam alive.
In this day and age, men should ONLY enter into marriage if :
1) The woman makes similar money to the man. Idiots on this blog will say that ‘women want to marry up’. Yeah, and men want to marry 10s who don’t age. Wanting something doesn’t mean everyone gets what they want.
2) There is a properly-done pre-nup, with Lawyers on both sides. No pre-nup is fool-proof, but it can reduce risk, and snuff out her nascent thoughts early.
3) The man has Game, and stays in touch with the Game community so as not to lapse into Beta-tude.
Only if all 3 are met, are the risks sufficiently minimized to the extent that a man should marry.
As a sperm donor some years back, I realize that women want the best sperm, and marrying a Beta is not likely to provide them that. The only reason a woman marries nowadays is to seize a man’s income.
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Again with #1, she’s all about homo-marriage, and yet gets married herself.
She’s clearly not religious, because no real religion tolerates gay marriage and feminism. Then why get married?
Marriage is a religious institution. It has always been. Without religion, its just a legal contract that gives an excuse for a party.
Why is she getting married? She is now legally bound to him for no other reason than her whim.
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She will cheat on him within five years of exchange of wedding vows. And he will condone it and blame himself.
C’mon. It won’t be five years, neither three – I bet $500
she’s done it already.
Women like her do not “cheat” – they celebrate their “female sexuality”
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Tood
That’s always been something that I could do. Though it’s never 100% or anyway there are gradations.
But he way for most people to break out is to start surrounding yourself with at least some different people.
One way to begin that would be online. By reading a blog such as this. It’s a start.
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Dougjnn
Just becasue he has excuses dosen’t mean I excuse his behavior. In fact, I explicitly said that he’s still beta (though I’m incvlined to agree with an earlier poster who said that he is in fact omega- he might be at this point, but that he managed to reproduce elevates him out of that status… assuming the kids are his).
Either way though- you’re right. He probably does still put his war pig on a on a romantic pedastol and look at it in terms of still seeing his one and only instead of viewing it as a bad trade off where he lets the pig live in his house so he can see his kids on a regular basis. I gave him too much credit- he’s too much of a beta to have even that much self-respect and honesty. You are also correct in that he’s accepted a position of subordinate bitch in this martriachal houshold. I was giving this sad sap entirely too much credit- perhaps because I didn’t want to believe that any member of my gender could sink to such a pathetic low.
Finally….
Calling me a beta AND a pussy?
Those are fightin words mofo. The last guy who called me a pussy to my face ended up with a black and blue jaw. It dosen’t take much to be a brave dude on the internet, where you can cower behind the shield of anominity and distance, but I strongly suggest that you watch what you say to people in public- unlike the betas in the article some guys actually have the balls to defend their sense of pride and honor.
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Aenigma–
Good for you. You do have balls. Consider “pussy” rescinded.
Not out of fear you understand, but out of respect. (The combo of conceding some of by points with then taking no shit on my pure insult is what I’m respecting.)
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11 minutes —
Yeah I said something very similar several comments from me down from the one where I talked three years.
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Feministing is the dumbest, most PC blog in the world.
I often read it for a little emotional catharsis at the idiocy of liberalism.
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“One way to begin that would be online. By reading a blog such as this. It’s a start.”
Indeed. That is why the Web 2.0 era is great – it is easy to connect with like-minded people.
That is why I always say that :
1) Men are competing against the legal system (increasingly ruinous bias against men), BUT…
….women are competing against technology :
a) Game would not have spread so far, and form a community around it, without the Internet.
b) By 2020, 3-D holographic video games and fully tactile interfaces will make VR sex ‘good enough’ i.e. Betas who waste time and money after 6s and 7s will find VR sex with an endless supply of 10s a better use of their time.
c) The Internet will bring feminist ideas into Islam and Islamic ideas into the West. Both will suffer deserved damage through the mixture.
d) Sexbots, of course, could happen (although I am still skeptical, as sexbots would be the LAST market that robots crack. Robots to replace factory workers, construction workers, and soldiers would happen much sooner). Nonetheless, if a decent sexbot was available for $100,000, I think about 1 million would sell easily worldwide, so it is a $100 Billion opportunity.
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Tood —
Have you done it yet man?
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Daniel Pearl’s widow is an bloodless SWPL harpy.
“Not to retaliate doesn’t mean you’re weak. In fact, being able to rise above your instincts is a sign of strength – far more heroic than bombing another country or planning a suicide mission. Dialogue is the ultimate act of courage, far more courageous than killing someone. “
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Taking on a woman’s surname diminishes a man’s legacy – on paper.
But giving in to the female urge to get impregnated by other men while you keep paying the bills means betraying your own purpose existence: to pass on the chain of life that has resulted in your own being here.
A fertile man who wastes his resources by raising another man’s kids is a dead leaf on the tree of life. It is the ultimate failure in the grand scheme of things. Millions of years of evolution, and his line ends with him!
Returning to a sweet, caring, responsible, agreeable and “understanding” husband after getting her brains banged out by four or five studs is the ultimate wet dream of any woman.
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#1 is the greater beta.
Roissy, you put it well:
“What this confused broad doesn’t seem to grasp is that her maiden name is her father’s surname. So instead of passing on her husband’s surname, she passes on her father’s surname. The male lineage continues, just not her husband’s.”
I mean, where does it all end? Does this man-chick intend to train her daughters, when they in turn get married, to append yet *another* name to the list, and so on? At some point in the forthcoming line of female descendants, when an otherwise sack-less husband realizes that he does indeed have balls, there won’t be room enough on the divorce papers to write his complete last name!
As for the argument that #2 is just doing it for the kids… NOT. That’s just an excuse. It’s an emotional assuaging sound bite. There are plenty of other ways for him see the kids more frequently. (Assuming that he wants the kids, how about he says instead, “The kids can stay with me while you and new douche husband stay away and GET A JOB!?”) Instead, he says this because it’s a lot easier than admitting–to the public, to his family, and most of all, to himself–that he’s being walked on.
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clearly #2 ///
Altho I wanted so bad to vote for #1, I know an andrew, who didnt take his wife’s name but let her keep his, and get this.. agreed that whoever loses a college basketball game (two teams that almost never play) will change their name to the other’s. ugh.
I think I wanted to vote for #1 more mainly because IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.. he can still change it, yet he marches ahead like a traitor to his sex and race! That just pisses me off. Let me bitch slap him already, ffs!
Story #2 has already happened, so it’s hard to get more passionate about the already dead and buried (under fat labia folds)
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and yes, manjaw is particularly looking like that as her mannishness is exacerbated by all the other thursday night alpha cock in the hood she’s sucking when she’s not busy setting out his cuckold rules.
I bet she routinely cheats within 4 months on a recurring relationship basis with yet another lesser beta.
ugh.
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umm earlier post meant they both kept thier “maiden names” if his team loses, he becomes her bitch in name as well as in fact.
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Hey, guyz,
In a moment of boredom, Pupu calculated the amount of energy consumed to ejaculate 3.2 (+/- 1.4 ml) of jizz, the average, at a speed between 28-43 miles/ hr.
The answer…
67 – 406 calories — that is equivalent of 0.095 – 0.577 of a Big Mac. Let us call it Pupu’s Big Mac index.
The moral of the story: remember to eat well before a long night.
________
Appendix:
Assumption:
The density of jizz approximately equals the density of water.
Formula:
Energy = mass x (speed)^2
Conversion factors:
1 mile per hour = 0.4470 meters per second
1 calorie = 4.187 joules
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“Have you done it yet man?”
dougjnn,
(wink)….
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tunacanman–
Naaa, this last is the only part you’ve got wrong.
She’s going to routinely cheat with a bad boy type alpha. Someone she wouldn’t marry for his lack of stability and/or smarts, earning ability, etc, but someone she does lust after. She might want a high status high game alpha most of all but those are hard to get, and especially so for feminazi leftists. Sex with a bad boy while playing house with a nice jewish male submissive fills the bill for her just dandy.
As I said, I see a coming explosion in consenting cuckoldry among gen Y, with all of it’s seriously feminist betaized and femmed males, who believe down to their cores, and who regard female led everything as the natural order of things. Most gen Xers and certainly bommer guys really didn’t, beyond the basics (all fields open to equal female competition).
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Tood
good for you.
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Remember, cuckolding is not only accomplished through cheating.
A smarter woman can avoid scorn and secretly go to a cryobank.
As a former donor myself, I hope that all of my biological offspring have two loving parents. But if some of them were created without the husband’s knowledge, that could happen too. I don’t approve of it, even if it is my genes that are benefitting.
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Dougjnn
No problem. Anyone can make a mistake.
As for marriage. 100% correct that its nothing but obligations for a man and options for a woman. I think the death blow for marriage in the US is that the married men can be held to be finicially responsible for bastard children that the wife produces in the mariage as a result of her infidelity. Fidelity, on a womans part, is no longer viewed, or enforced, as a sacrosant responsibilty- instead she can cheat while her husband pays the price.
I use to think that gentic testing would chnage the behaviors of women and keep them in line/faithful- but, as I just pointed out, men are still liable even if the kid isn’t theirs. The paradigm for women has changed from breed with alpha, lie to beta to get him to raise kids to breed with alpha, lie to beta, guilt/manipulate him into signing the paternity document acknowledging that he’s the father so that they can leave him for alpha while continuing to finanically milk beta.
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The fiance of Beta #1 also wrote this book :
http://www.amazon.com/Purity-Myth-Americas-Obsession-Virginity/dp/1580052533
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I voted for #2 without any problem, since his actual actions are a whole lot more pathetic.
But there is a sense in which #1 is much worse, and just about all the commenters that have said they voted for #1 touched upon what I’m about to say as the reason.
#2 is simply at this stage of his life at least, a sexually washed up loser. He has few sexual options, no matter what he does, unless he suddenly inherits $10 million . He could have some dignity however.
#1 does have options, or should. That he doesn’t or that he thinks he’s making a primo marrage choice is overwhelming due to what he has bought into and believes.
It’s the creation of skads of #1’s especially among gen Y’s that is what is so wrong with our feminist American culture. It’s fighting to shame #1 type beta’s that’s cultural job one for anti-feminists.
Meanwhile gamers can enjoy the easier pickings the prevalence of #1 type betas among otherwise higher status men these days, allows.
Actually guys can do both simultaneous. Shame, and enjoy the easier game pickings in the meantime. That’s after all what Roissy does, big time on both.
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“ps: She will cheat on him within five years of exchange of wedding vows. And he will condone it and blame himself.”
My bet is she will cheat on him in 5 days.
– MPM
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Everyone SAYS it’s because of the annoying princess tendency. But the central annoying princess tendency is the price tag
That was my point. While some of the princesses are attractive from a pump & dump perspective, to attract and maintain these women in the long-term, you need to either be a massive bad boy (see cousin’s drinking problem) or make mega dollars in some type of professional white collar position that can pay for her lifestyle. If you lack game, mega bucks, or a tolerance for “broken” women, then don’t bother trying.
An interesting corollary is that some Jewish men who marry out choose non-African-American Black women
I once jokingly said that a middle class Caribbean mother is a dark-skinned Jewish mother, but without the high IQ.🙂
Of course, I’d welcome more intermarriage since it means more high IQ interracial babies. I’ll take the women you don’t want, and you can take the women I don’t want…
Oh, and it’s “Non-Date-Girlfriend Experience”.
She’s a nice friend, but we’d be an awful couple. As a joke, I suggested that we go to Europe together, and she said that I’d go site-seeing (read: boring stuff with trains and roadgeeking) and she’d go out clubbing. Even in the off chance that I had some magical source of stamina and could fuck her in a reasonable and enjoyable fashion, our relationship would fail because she needs a normal and interesting guy with some bearings to take care of her. She doesn’t need a wishy-washy boring railfan as a boyfriend unless she feels like playing cheater.
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Bite me dougjnn. Cut down on the amphetamines too.
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I am convinced we have stumbled across an entirely new species today. Such a discovery is not surprising while braving uncharted beta terrain.
The fat mexican who marries an obese mother of two WHO IS TWENTY YEARS HIS SENIOR and moves into her ex-husband’s house, helps with chores, and co-parents their children cannot be classified amongst our current genera. Gentlemen and ladies, the first ever GREATER OMEGA!
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It’s the creation of skads of #1’s especially among gen Y’s that is what is so wrong with our feminist American culture.
The fun question at hand is to determine if these men are truly happen in these types of relationships…
she and her husband are forever trying to get Thompson on the dating scene and want him to meet someone special
I’m amazed that nobody has parsed this statement for further extrapolation. Is she simply saying that to appear caring, or does she really want him to move on and find somebody else?
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I had to vote for B, because A still has a chance to save his soul before taking marriage vows with that uberbitch
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Sebastian Flyte
I would have let it drop, but since you haven’t, let’s review:
While admittedly your knowledge of the former is going to be circumstantial and by inference and something you may well not wish to think about, you failure to failure to say you father wears the pants strongly suggests that he doesn’t, or you really don’t want to think about that either.
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Jessica Valenti is an attractive woman.
The immature male default mode of insult is to attack her appearance. If she’s attractive, the assault is to her femininity.
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Roissy — you should get a Facebook page for this blog. I’d love to shove it in the face of my mainstream friends.
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ode to the married man
Take away the long hair and look again.
She is not completely unattractive but she has a masculine look.
I have a thing for dark hair and dark eyes and thus am more forgiving on her looks, but she stilll has a masculine look.
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those pictures of the valenti chick on flickr tell me one thing: she’s an attention whore. in every picture she’s attempting to steal the limelight from everyone else. she stands in front of everyone and makes her body take up more space than it should.
what kind of feminist posts 38 pages of pictures on flickr anyway? that doesn’t seem like a very feminist thing to do if you ask me.
her feministing was probably the most expedient way for her to get attention from others. i’ll bet good money that she’s the type that puts her fiance down in front of her friends while he’s there just to get a chuckle out of her kankled, shrew-like spinster friends.
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the loser ex-husband is obviously the bigger beta but seems so exotic next to the ‘progressive feminist male’, who could be any number of men of my acquaintance. promiscuity breeds contempt, and a vote for the bigger beta.
it also occurred to me that loser dude’s new mexican flat mate might have paid the whale to marry him so that he could get a green card. certainly not a far-fetched theory given the already far-fetched premise of their menage…
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My father wears the pants, believe me, they married in 1980’s Catholic Ireland, when divorce was ILLEGAL (legalized 1995) Less than a decade prior it was illegal for women to work after marriage. So no, I don’t see not taking a name as a very big deal at all.
I’m puzzled by the opinions on this thread. I look at ‘beta’ #1 and see the following:
– reasonably attractive fiance. I mean, just looking at her and listening to her in those videos… he must have passed some SERIOUS shit tests to get with her. She curses like a soldier, shouts, is egregiously opinionated… all the pua stuff says you gotta be a complete dick or super-high value to get someone like that. So he must’ve done something right, girls like that don’t get attracted to prostrate men. One can have ridiculous, abstract political views and still be alpha.
– High status, leadership type job. Running a media organisation or being involved in that world requires very good social skills.
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“those pictures of the valenti chick on flickr tell me one thing: she’s an attention whore.”
Agreed. First off, she is not as good looking as her carefully selected picture from feministing.
Candid photos :



Furthermore, she even stands in front of Bill Clinton (who is certainly an idol of hers) :
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.. all the pua stuff says you gotta be a complete dick or super-high value to get someone like that.
You need all that to get an OLD frustrated woman, past her prime who is more than DESPERATE to finally get a husband? Not in my world, no.
High status, leadership type job.
high social status != high socioeconomic status
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Tood: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749183.ece
‘I voluntarily submit myself to whatever these guys say’ as both parties doesn’t seem to be too bad, though I’m surprised at it. The UK is such a strange place. Would you believe I haven’t heard much about this? (Read the bishop’s controversial speech but didn’t see the courts brought into action).
You are unlikely to get a woman to voluntarily place herself under these laws unless she’s muslim herself. I’m not sure the Westernised form of Islam is actually that favourable divorce-wise. I think the advantage may be that children usually go to fathers. You are supposed to pay for the ex until she marries again, with no same expectation on women.
http://jamaat.org/islam/WomanDivorce.html (emphasis on the note at the bottom)
Case examples:
http://www.ambrose.appelbe.co.uk/MuslimDivorce.htm
Notice the wives consistently winning.
If you’re going for the slippery slope argument, maybe. Realise that Islam’s not immune to progressive ideas the same way branches of the Christian church have become. Islam’s not as much an organised religion as Christianity and Judaism, so there’s room for a lot of individual variability. Recently stumbled on to a supposedly muslim dude on twitter whose home site was.. some wierd soft(?)porn collection.
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I vote for A. B has a plausible legitimate reason for doing what he does, as pathetic as it is – otherwise he would be leaving his kids to the tender mercies of this loser spic who, at best, is incapable of supporting them, and at worst, comes into their room at night and does unspeakable things to them. I don’t know that that’s why he’s letting them stay with him, but I don’t know that it isn’t.
Also, unbelievably, the picture of A is the one he chose to represent himself in his profile. It would be one thing if it was just some bad candid photo, but why would you pick a retarded-looking picture of yourself like that?
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Actually, since B isn’t dating anymore, he might have slipped into omega status, disqualifying himself from betatude. That can happen as you get older and more pathetic.
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Sebastian Flyte
Would it help you any if you realized that she ISN’T looking primarily to him for sexual thrills? (He might be and probably is highly competent at oral though, in a submissive male sort of way.)
Yeah, that’s what he has going for him. That’s why he’s valuable to her and why she’s not ashamed to walk around with him as her finance and husband.
That doesn’t get her wet between her legs though. She has had and will have one or more bad boy alphas at a time for that.
She’s not marrying him monogamously. Or rather it’s one way monogamy. That’s the coming feminist frontier. She’s on the leading edge.
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Are you kidding? Look at their pictures…it’s obvious who’s got the higher testosterone level!
She pursued him and he gave her the shit tests that she blew away by sheer force of her dominance. SHE’s the complete dick that is irresistible to this SWPL Mangina!
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Case 2. Because Case 1 is going to be unpleasant for the woman. Very.
Look at the woman, look at the man.
WHO DO YOU THINK HAS THE BETTER JOB?
She has money, or some other financial reason for weasel boy to marry her. He is taking advantage of HER.
Roissy is a person that works hard at whatever he does, so perhaps he doesn’t quite get what is going on in Situation 1.
What is one-half of marital assets to a shiftless sneak who has NO INTENTION of ‘manning up’?
Look at the SWPL weasel picture! Look at the woman! Who do you think is going to ‘wear the pants’ in the family in Case 1?
She just acquired an extremely treacherous ‘friend’ who WILL cheat on her, WILL manipulate her, and lacks the affection for his offspring that makes ‘kiddie blackmail’ so much fun.
SHE screwed up big.
Look at him! He screams SNEAK!
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“all the pua stuff says you gotta be a complete dick or super-high value to get someone like that. So he must’ve done something right”
I’m sure she fucked plenty of guys like that when she was younger (high school, college), and will continue to fuck guys like that on the side after being married, if she can get them. But she clearly decided to settle down with the typical beta provider chump.
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I choose neither – the most beta is the 22-year old illegal alien in the second story. He marries an OBESE woman, SIX years OLDER than him, and helps raise HER KIDS. Are you kidding me?? Beta to the extreme!
The older ex just wants to be near his kids. I can understand that.
#1 is the most interesting story. If he is truly 25 and marrying a 30 year old, that is surely pathetic. Dude went to Harvard, how stupid is he? He’s losing his best years to marry a feminist slut who already lost hers. I can’t blame the guy for wanting to fuck her, it’s the marriage that’s baffling. The radical feminists hate marriage. She surely will never be faithful, and is probably already getting railed on the side.
Jessica Valenti has that Italian, high-testosterone, slightly dominant look I’m kind of attracted to. Her profane manner only exacerbates that. Attracted to in a hate-fuck sense, not in a relationship sense. I would pound that bitch every which way, and she’d love it. Come on Jessica, you know you want to. You know these liberal faggy guys don’t know how to give it to you good. That way your fiance can come to his senses too.
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Comment – Wrong–
You’re assuming she will be a good and faithful wife to him, and will give him her best sexually.
She will not. Instead she will make his life hell, unless he enjoys being a male submissive.
Which most likely he does, at least in part. That, together with the job status and maybe future income is why she’s marrying him.
It’s because he will make a good, loyal, and forgiving wife to her.
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Jack
Yuup. You got it.
Maybe you should give the proud couple an alpha male baby.
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Maybe you should give the proud couple an alpha male baby.
Just look up her profile among the gallery of married women on adultfriendfinder.com
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“Are you kidding? Look at their pictures…it’s obvious who’s got the higher testosterone level!
She pursued him and he gave her the shit tests that she blew away by sheer force of her dominance. SHE’s the complete dick that is irresistible to this SWPL Mangina!”
This sounds to me about right. Don’t forget that he went to Harvard and she went to… Rutgers. A typical (and typically mediocre) beauty-status trade.
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“How much you wanna bet this Jessica nutcase is a closet lesbo?”
I missed this first time around. Good call. What about the guy, though?
I have an aunt an uncle who, in retrospect, were both gay and sort of found each other back before people could come out.
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Tood 4:06
Agree with all but point (c). As in nature, the strongest, most aggressive strain of Islam will survive uncorrupted by feminism and will breed while the remainder of Islam goes the way of the West.
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men have 10-15 times the testosterone levels of age-matched women, so, yes, it is obvious which has more.
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Read the SWPL Man’s blog!
Andrew Golis is the Deputy Publisher of TalkingPointsMemo.
Alrighty.
How big is that?
I googled ‘TPM Media LLC’ and revenue and got:
’m focusing on TPM’s business model in this post and one last Tuesday because I think their steady growth from blogger-with-a-day-job to a profitable, 14-person news organization could have broader implications for journalism on the Internet. TPM Media LLC is a rare news company whose entire business has grown up around the web economy. The site has also found success with online video in ways that outstrip most newspaper sites.
Okay, 14 people ‘big’.
So he maybe has 4 people ‘under’ him, or not. Sounds alot like Obama’s ‘leadership’ as a community organizer in Chicago.
And then Obama married up.
This ‘marriage’ is in no way a beauty-status trade. How much money would she have to make to beat ‘deputy publisher’ of a 14 person website in an economy where advertising revenue is drying up? I’m sure she makes/has more.
She is making a big mistake.
dougjnn wrote:
You’re assuming she will be a good and faithful wife to him, and will give him her best sexually.
You know, to put it bluntly, I don’t think you would know how to treat a woman very badly.
SWPL ‘person’ very much does know how, and intends to do it. He is using his SWPL cred to get a member of the feministing cult to marry him.
So she’s more aggressive than him? SO WHAT! You are aware that hasn’t helped how many millions of men from being ground down by their wives?
Again, it is difficult to choose number 1 because the woman is getting the worse of the deal.
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I’m not an alpha, at least not yet. But I have an unfortunate sexual attraction to girls like her. There are plenty in my law school like that.
However I’m certainly manlier than Andrew Golis. I so so so so hope he finds this post. Someone should email it to him.
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In terms of genetics she’s actually not a bad matchup for an alpha male.
She’ll give aggressive male sons who’ll undoubtedly become alphas in their own right.
She’ll give unfaithful daughters who will get shamlessly impregnated by the best dose of alpha male baby batter that they can cheat on their beta male providers to get- just like mom.
Committing to her though- bad idea. Very few, if any, of the children will be the beta providers.
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“Mystery and student Tyler Durden(back then) on shit test aswell:
Great link.
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It was sarcastic humor, my dear.
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HELL NO! She’ll be indoctrinating them from day one about the evil testicles and their patriarchal testosterone growing between their legs!
She’s gonna raise them to be femtard mangina’s 10 times the magnitude of their father.
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The other guy is a fat old loser whose opportunity costs aren’t as great.
One thing that was not immediately clear to me is that the creature on the right is NOT the beta ex-husband. That is the beta ex-husband’s MOM. This story has a picture of the whole weirdo “family” together. The beta (Craig) is the guy on the right with the ‘stache.
“When they do have a romantic evening, I don’t hear them, so we’re not going there,”
You know that Mathew escalated the noise level after he read that. (If he can’t hear me, I’m gonna slam the bitch against the headboard even harder until he can.)
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I was going to vote for Beta #1 until a commenter pointed out that he may in fact be a successful gigolo. I’ve known a few of those — spineless-seeming guys with some brains and charm who really didn’t want to work. They’re good at targeting alphachix, hard-driving women who imagine that what they want is a “supportive” husband who won’t compete with their drive and ambition. Then, five years later, the gal wakes up to discover that she’s paying all the bills and all he’s doing is the dishes … But does she ever question her feminism? Not in the cases I’ve witnessed. So Beta #1 may in fact be a shrewd opportunist. (Incidentally, the gigolos I’ve known never considered themselves to be gigolos. They considered themselves to be real gifts to their women.)
But Beta #2 seems like such a sad-sack …
I’m abstaining from voting on this one.
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i like all the warpigs because they remind me of myself. harsh lessons. auf wiedersehen!
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This uber feminist Jessica Valenti likes Bill Clinton.
The feminist lawyer Ann Althouse called her out on it, especially on the way she posed for a certain picture with Clinton, and they had a spat over it.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/09/lets-take-closer-look-at-those-breasts.html
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I’m with Sebastian. Number 2 was just comically deficient in self-respect. Number 1 is more of a closed book. I don’t know anything about him. He’s marrying a feminist ideologue, he’s not forcing her to adopt his last name, and he looks kind of gay.
That all sounds mildly beta, but not BOTM beta. I feel like there is a chance that additional information would make him look a lot better. I don’t get that feeling at all for the second guy.
Maybe Jessica, like her clit-dick lawyer sisters, was holding out for the one man who could take charge in the bedroom, and make her feel like a woman.
Or maybe he’s a beard. They do sound absurdly obsessed about gay dudes.
Do gay guys count as beta?
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How is the first guy a beta exactly? He seems fairly successful and I’m pretty sure he’s probably alpha on the job. How could one attain that sort of position and not have alpha qualities?
At any rate, regarding Miss Valenti, that picture of hers does not do her justice. She’s pretty cute. Check out this video of hers:
The girlfriends of most of the guys here are propably no where near as good looking as Miss Valenti.
Valenti was attacked some years back by a few feminists for posting in a suggestive fashion in front of Clinton. Read:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/09/bill-clinton-lunching-with-bloggers.html
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as, you beat me to the Clinton/Valenti story.
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Here’s a set of pictures of the first couple where they look nice.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93947321@N00/sets/72157611964774384/
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In none of the pictures was she looking at him. Interesting.
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Related post from some cunt at PuffHo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jill-brooke/should-ex-wives-be-unders_b_182951.html
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I voted for the first story because I hate feminists.
Second story should still be the winner.
I love BOTM awards. Makes me feel good about my life.
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Bhetti
And where are all these progressive ideas? Nowhere to be found.
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That Huffington Post blog that Prairie Villain linked to is indicative of how anti-male the media is.
They talk about how when men losse their jobs, alimony payments are reduced. Then they say the wives feel “cheated again…” um…who said that in all these cases the marriage ended because the GUY cheated?
The media wants it both ways. They like to tout how “liberated” women cheat nowadays as much as men, but as soon as alimony enters the picture, it’s always the man’s fault.
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“I voted for the first story because I hate feminists. ”
I hate feminists more than I hate Osama bin Laden. Feminists have destroyed more American lives than Al-Qaeda ever has.
How many Americans has Al-Qaeda killed in 8 years? 7000?
How many American men, and children, has feminist divorce laws ruined? 10 million? 20 million? 40 million?
The human toll from feminism is higher than from Al-Qaeda.
This is why I actually WANT more Islam to take hold in the West. I will support ANY group against feminism, including radical Islam.
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Here is a Video of Game Taliban style
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/02/taliban-pakistan-justice-women-flogging
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Tood
Al-Qaeda != all of Islamic terrorism and Islamofascism. The damage caused by feminism is a speck of dust compared to the damage caused by Islam.
As has been explained to you several times, Islam is not what you think it is. You will not be able to cherry pick all the things you like about Islam and discard the rest. You will be converted, subjugated or killed along with all the other useful dhimmi idiots, such as feminists.
Using Islam to fight feminism is like treating a leg wound by decapitating yourself.
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I have been fascinated by game since I was first exposed to it last year. The ‘best’ reason that this blog has become a sticking point for me is that ALL my revelations can be filtered through Roissy’s scope with uncanny precision (not JUST game, but this particular brand of realism/misogyny/fatalism). I had the most game during predictable conditions of my life and the worst game amidst circumstances that would also be quite obvious. I have not nodded my head and jumped on a bandwagon; rather, that wagon came right up to me on the pilgrimage through a desert and offered a brisk ride, not to the proverbial mecca, but behind it, to observe its soft underbelly. I truly believe that I am a better man today than I was at the onset of last spring. I believe that my father, who could never even fathom the viscous shit flowing through my mind, senses this as well. He would make a curious study of superlative beta with a (very) suppressed scent of nascent alpha on him. In a prisoner camp, he might help organize the hostages into action. If I am with him in that camp, he advises me on his construction.
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The funny thing is – feminists, because they despise traditional America and straight males so much, have nothing bad to say about Islam. At some point, they will get theirs, and their lives under Islam will NOT be “liberating”.
hahahahahahahahah
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I’d love to have an LTR with a man-hating feminist like the first candidate’s fiancee. I’m not joking, either – I think it’d be a fun ride. Unfortunately they all decide I’m an intolerable asshole after about five minutes. I guess you can’t base a real relationship only on the fact that someone is fun to annoy…
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OK, so who is gonna be the one to tell Beta of the Month Candidate #1 he is on the blog?
You need to log in to leave comments on his blog, and I’m not up for all that. Anyone wanna have a go? Maybe several of us should make a pact to post on his blog:
http://www.andrewgolis.com/blog/?p=3154#respond
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In addition to the name change, I believe the change-over of authority, deference, respect, etc. is part of the reason why the traditional wedding ceremony calls for the father of the bride to give the bride away to the groom. It’s deeper than it looks. It’s for the bride –here is your new man; it’s for the groom, here is your woman –I, her father, give her openly and freely to you; it’s for the father –ah, my time is passing, it is the time of a new generation, I must relinquish….
Nah, cz, I suspect you’ll find the giving away of the bride was more due to property rights than anything else.
Women were a valuable resource, hence marriage being a contractual obligaion.
As for the comment about wearing a white dress for purity, not so long back a woman wore green for fecundity. The idea of marriage was for procreation, not recreation.
I also voted for both of the betas. I can only read feministing in very small bursts, and the myopic misandry that these scrags spread just send my blood pressure through the roof.
From a female perspective Jessica looks nice enough, but then I don’t want to jump her. Her politics, though…..
And some mangina wants to marry her?
Nah, it was probably her idea – picture her in ye olde dominatrix outfit weilding her whip on her cringeing, obsequious gimp. She wants to get married? Well damn straight she’ll get married! Now where can she get a man from? You! Over there! Marry me!
A real man wouldn’t have a bar of her, and she wouldn’t recognise one if he threw her over his shoulder and carried her back to the bedroom.
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I’m amazed that nobody has parsed this statement for further extrapolation. Is she simply saying that to appear caring, or does she really want him to move on and find somebody else?
She really wants him to move on.
If he’s moved on and got someone else around, then there’s no possibility of him trying to get back with her. The kids will want their parents back together and will be dropping all kinds of subtle and not so subtle hints, as children usually want their parents together.
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I voted for the second Beta.
As much as I detest lefties and feminists, the guy is really just a garden-variety beta who happens to be infatuated with a bitch-on-wheels and had imbibed the SWPL attitudes that are the backdrop if his habitat.
But the second guy crossed a major line of unmanliness: he invited another man to live in his house and bang a woman who was once his. Plus, he’s screwing up his daughters by having them live in a confusing arrangement.
Also, he had an opportunity to leverage his ex-wife’s and her new husband’s poverty to his advantage, which he didn’t — what he could have done is gone to court and made the case for his wife’s unfitness in terms of child custody on account of her inability to provide a stable home for the girls.
Failing to use an advantage is also beta.
If the first guy is a gigolo playing a rich-bitch (per Michael’s suggestion) or if the second guy were banging chicks, those woudl have been mitigating factors in their betatude. But there is no evidence of any of that.
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Nevertheless, this was a difficult vote. My choice of Beta No. 2 was based on reason. But emotionally, I feel extreme contempt for No. 1 and only pity for No. 2.
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“RF Interference
Jessica,
Glen Danzig called. He wants his jawline back.
Guess that covers the “something borrowed”.
Congrats,
-RF”
BAHAHAHHAHA. genius.
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“As much as I detest lefties and feminists, the [first] guy is really just a garden-variety beta who happens to be infatuated with a bitch-on-wheels and had imbibed the SWPL attitudes that are the backdrop if his habitat.”
Exactly. As disgusting as it is, Betas like that are a dime a dozen. And while I agree that it’s likely she will cheat on him, it’s equally likely she will become a housewife whose “career” consists of writing a blog post once a week while she spends half her energy rationalizing her “choice” to stay at home and have babies. Of course she never had a choice because what kind of career options do you really have with a Women’s Studies/English/Sociology/Anthropology degree? Personally, I love it when feminist LUGs turn into June Cleavers-in-denial.
The second guy is truly breaking new ground. Scary.
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Re: Marriage and Property Rights
An attractive woman obtained via marriage was certainly viewed as a worthwhile addition to any portfolio back in the Olde Days. Thing is, they understood another dimension of what was hapening too; that is why brides came with doweries. Remember those? That is where the brides family paid the grooms family a large sum of cash, goats, etc. up-front to offset the expected life-long expense of her up-keep. It being well understood that such expense would far exceed the market value of her household production – unless the people involved were all too poor to have servants aka “labor saving devises.”
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PA puts it nicely:
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PA
I feel contempt for both of them, but it’s a lot less mixed with pity in the case of beta #1.
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nilk–
Yes. And it’s overwhelmingly the fault and the responsibility of Anglosphere women that they so often aren’t.
Yes their fault. Women’s fault. Overwhelmingly one sidedly their fault.
I realize that’s almost impossible for Anglosphere men to leave alone. They HAVE to jump in and defend the women. Oh it’s equal. Oh it’s widely shared.
Horsesiiit. It’s feminism and it’s one sided female selfishness and thoughlessness that feminism has empowered, overwhelmingly that has resulted in so many broken families, and familes that were broken before they were ever even formed – slut births, i.e. out of wedlock ones.
Blame who should be blamed. Women. And feminism.
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nilk
Stop that. You’re getting me hot and bothered.
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<i.I was going to vote for Beta #1 until a commenter pointed out that he may in fact be a successful gigolo. I’ve known a few of those — spineless-seeming guys with some brains and charm who really didn’t want to work. They’re good at targeting alphachix, hard-driving women who imagine that what they want is a “supportive” husband who won’t compete with their drive and ambition. Then, five years later, the gal wakes up to discover that she’s paying all the bills and all he’s doing is the dishes …
I know a guy like this. His wife is a high-powered lawyer, and he pretty much sits around the house and does nothing. Despite the differential economic power, he totally has her under his thumb. He makes her pay for day care, and drive “your kids” to and from day care on her way to and from work (remember, he’s at home doing nothing), he made her hire a maid to clean the house, he made her buy him a nice car, etc etc. Whenever she grumbles about doing everything and paying for everything, he browbeats her into submission. It’s hilarious!
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Dagnabit, mucked up the italics. Oh well.
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If his mom weren’t enabling his ex it would be much easier to kick her out that way.
Men should never buy a house after getting married. Always buy before marriage or rent — that way you can keep the house in case of divorce or simply move out and leave her with the rent bill. I’ve heard stories about guys getting kicked out of their own houses and being forced to pay the remainder of the mortgage while their ex-wives live there for free for, say, the next 30 years! How much does that suck?
I wonder whether SaraI got that deal…
As for the surname issue, I suppose I’m a little different in not caring what name the woman wants to use. But the kids are a different story — they get my name. I think I don’t really care about women’s surnames because I lived in China for a few years and women always keep their surnames there, yet the men are totally dominant in marriage. I must have picked up a few of their cultural tendencies by osmosis or whatever.
However, I agree that a man taking the woman’s name is a huge pussy. Hyphenation is far beyond the bounds of consideration.
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Look at the face of Beta 1.
A few days ago on another thread, Spike Gomes wrote a withering critique of SWPL males (in response to David Alexander, who considers these guys his protectors and friends).
It’s a shame I can’t find it now, because it was well written and seems to fit Beta 1.
Assuming he’s not a homosexual, in which case an entirely different metric of manhood should be used in judging him, this Beta looks like a contemptible man. Superficially friendly (look at those studied puppydog eyes!) but never genuine, more gossipy and passive-agressive than a woman, never confrontational but viciously snarky, though never directly in your face.
Anyway, Spike’s recent description of the SWPL make was much better.
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PA
If you had a link to it, it would be a service. I’d certainly follow it and take a look.
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I voted for #2. And it just occurred to me, thanks to Iron Weights pointing out that mom owns the house, and given mom’s appearance at ex-wife’s green-card starter marriage wedding, that when bridey asked stache-beta if she could move back in, she was just being polite. I speculate bridey and ball-cutter mom had already talked and settled the matter between themselves, they was just giving junior a little deference to what’s left of his manhood.
What’s the over-under on the green-card marriage divorce? On the quadruple murder-suicide? On stache’s untimely demise due to an ‘accident’?
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This is a trick question.
#2 is an omega love triangle – none of those folks could get laid outside a jenny craig meeting or the immigration office.
#1 is more interesting… there is a slight whiff of alpha here, of the neo-commie “let’s do a leadership retreat in the mountains” Gen Y variety. I wonder how much of this crap is self absorbed posturing in public for their professional audiences that is ignored in private. I can see him cruising the 21 year old interns.
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Also, re #1’s career and business prospects: newspapers are dying. If this guy is making slow and steady progress organizing an internet news media company, he’s doing pretty good. I can’t help but think that if it was 1999, wall street would have already thrown a few hundred million at him.
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Dougjnn: unfortunately, I don’t remember which thread Spike’s withering comment on SWPL males was. It was recent, probably within the past two weeks.
Alas, the site’s Search function is useless. I used to be able to find old comments or blog entries based on an unusal word I remembered from the comment I was looking for, but it doesn’t seem to work the same way anymore.
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I think Mrs. Valenti should have an Open Marriage that includes an even more Feminist Beta: Hugo Schwyzer.
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Gunslingergregi: “In none of the pictures was she looking at him. Interesting.”
Right. He seems to like her much more than she seems to like him. Where is the usual engagement photo of the couple gazing at each other with adoration?
Her post annoucing her engagement was markedly subdued. I had assumed that it had something to do with her being a feminist, but perhaps it’s that she’s just not very excited about him.
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Here is Spike’s comment:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/female-beauty-from-1-to-10-2/#comment-62166
Main excerpt:
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Days of Broken Arrows
No woman should ever get alimony period. It’s an absolute outrage in this day and age. If she can’t get a good job, that’s her own damn fault, and she should bear the costs of that, not her ex husband.
If a woman is not longer providing wifely services to her husband she should stop getting paid.
End of story.
how about tome outrage men??
You all don’t realize how propagandized you remain, most of you.
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PA
Thanks.
Yeah I actually remember that, not that you’ve posted it.
I especially like the next to last paragraph you posted.
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Actually, feminists like the first chick do have something really cool about them: The earnest arrogant nerd with non-left political views achieves alpha status in many feminists’ eyes. Just by having “wrong” political views, the arrogant nerd receives the allure of being evil. Then, when he can support his view intellectually, feminist chick feels all dominated. Yeah, baby.
Game this girl by busting on her for focusing too much on gay marriage and not enough on the plight of third world women suffering Female Genital Mutiliation. Then (as I know you can all do), challenge her on how she reconciles her feminism with respecting other cultures and religions when those cultures and religions brutalize women. Those Birkenstocks’ll be up in no time.
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Keith, I think a more likely outcome is that she’ll go berserk with rage or have a hysterical meltdown.
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Keith–
Actually a smart and especially a well practiced radical feminist (who’s also had the benefit of seeing her sister feminists operate) will go right for a beta righty challenger’s soft underbelly and start ridiculing his lack of success with women. If it’s online and she can’t see him to make assessments, or he hasn’t given away his lack of dating success through posts, she’s start with bitter and clueless etc.
In person she’ll be a lot more dead eyed.
That’s why successful attacks on feminism require that the male exponent first unshakably establish himself as alpha with her competition.
That’s why PUA anti-feminism sites like Roissy’s and Roosh’s are so much more effective and influential than older divorced guy men’s rights sites.
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So I was reading incredulously through the entire ridiculous thread to get that sweet cathartic release, and found this tidbit.
“I thought a lot about the geometry of the wedding ceremony. The isle of a church can be interpreted as the birth canal with the altar representing the womb. Marriage is a lot about fertility and fertility was central to old religions which were supplanted and incorporated into Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions. The isle can bee seen as the birth canal and the penis, the merging of the two. It also divides “his” and “her” sides, which I think is weird. I opted instead for a circle which could be adapted for larger weddings by incorporating rows like ripples. We will enter from one side of the circle, move around to the “front” of the circle, enter into the circle, and conduct a ceremony within the circle that incorporates everyone. He will not be there, fully developed in himself, waiting for my father to bring me to him. Both our parents will be situated closely to the “front” so we can both honor them during the ceremony, but no one is giving anyone away. Also, the officiants are female and male, a couple whom we view as a model for our marriage. I cannot validate any ceremony that joins feminine-masculine which is presided over by the masculine alone.”
At what point does someone become insane like this? What’s the dividing point between having the misguided egalitarianism of a spoiled college student and being as certifiable as this crazy bitch? For me, I think I’d consciously have to commit to going off the deep end. At some point the ideology has to become so farcical that the supplicant realizes this, but in order to preserve in-group status repeats and internalizes those claims, and eventually enough believe them.
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Todd says:
I hate feminists more than I hate Osama bin Laden. Feminists have destroyed more American lives than Al-Qaeda ever has.
How many Americans has Al-Qaeda killed in 8 years? 7000?
How many American men, and children, has feminist divorce laws ruined? 10 million? 20 million? 40 million?
The human toll from feminism is higher than from Al-Qaeda.
This is why I actually WANT more Islam to take hold in the West. I will support ANY group against feminism, including radical Islam.
I still think radical Islam (or any religious cult for that matter) is not something I’d favour over feminism.
I’d just rather not see women walking around in burkas. Total buzz kill. Also, I don’t think I could live without porn.
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Have to give the award to number one on second thought as the second guy has the one out that he may really love his children that much and they may be the focal point of his life that he puts up with the warpig’s garbage, including the other loser Mexican guy.
So the first guy loses because he is condemning himself to listening to his self-centered hyper sexual chick in a small Queens (NY) apartment.
There’s just no excusing that.
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Gentlemen, consider again the ownership of the house. My guess is grandma deballed beta #2 so she could have her grandchildren nearby. BOTM.
I like the idea of beta #1 sneaking in for the gigolo job. He does have a dodgy look about him, doesn’t he? If that’s not it, he’ll be playing out DA’s darkest relationship nightmares. So be careful about swabbing your babies before signing anything, beta 1.
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I can’t say enough how much I despite all feminists. One of the great pleasures in life is thoroughly fucking a young feminist, showing her what a true fuck is like, cumming all over her, letting her feel my big cock pound her all night long, and then leaving her. She can then return to her life of careerism and emasculating all the men she despises. She will, however, never be the same after having a real fuck and will always remember what it was like to have been truly fucked, at least once in her life, by a man who loves fucking women for nothing else than the pleasure of the fuck without any apologies. Most of the men who fuck her after me will be the sniffling little beta boys who apologize for having a penis. She despises them too.
I hate all the soon to be hagged out feminists. Few creatures are more despicable than the aging feminist. The young ones can at least have some fuck value, but the older they get, the more hagged out they become, and the more smelly and gross and repugnant they are. They soon turn into wrinkled old witches.
Did I say how much I hate all feminists? I would love to round all of them up and export them to some Islamic country, say Saudi Arabia or Iran or parts of Taliban controlled Afghanistan where they would be forced to submit to Sharia law and spend the rest of their days out of male view with their hagged out bodies completely covered from head to toe. If they started giving their Muslim husbands some crap about equality, equal pay, sexual liberation, they will be simply taken to the town square and stoned. But then again soon I will be able to enjoy all this when Europe goes Islamic in a few decades and few remaining daughters of the present day barren feminist women of Europe becomes little more than pieces of Islamic property. I plan on kicking back with a nice cold beer and watching such spectacles on my American tv while my girlfriend is giving me a bj at the same time.
I hate all feminists.
But I love fucking young, soft, nubile, girly and truly feminine women. That’s right, feminist bitches, we men love our women young, soft and girly, everything you are not. Yum.
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England seems pretty well stocked up with Bassington-Bassingtons.
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ironrailsironweights: “Jessica has a large photo collection on Flickr, and as far as I can tell most of them are conventional chick pix (hanging out with friends, her dog and cat, vacation shots, stuff like that).”
She takes care of her appearance and likes pretty clothes, mentioning in passing the great bargains she’s scored, just as many girls do.
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This Jessica reminds me of my feminist studies roommate in college. Very strident about abortion, but also interested in looking good, often wearing skirts. She had an intelligent, mild mannered boyfriend with whom she seemed to have a conventional relationship.
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The left half of her mouth doesn’t move at all when she talks, while the right half moves animatedly.
Isn’t this one of the signs of a habitual liar?
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what he could have done is gone to court and made the case for his wife’s unfitness in terms of child custody on account of her inability to provide a stable home for the girls
Depending on the situation, I suspect that a judge could have simply ordered more child support payments. Given that we don’t take away kids from married couples, I suspect a judge wouldn’t do so in this case, especially since there’s no sign of abuse or neglect.
If the first guy is a gigolo playing a rich-bitch
I suspect it’s similar to what could have transpired between Wellesley Queen and myself. She’s going somewhere, he wants to be the quiet, yet supportive spouse along for the ride, and being sexless and married with her could sometimes beat being alone and sexless with no kids.
if the second guy were banging chicks
Given that his wife and her husband have asked him to date and he refuses, I suspect that he may be happy with the current arrangement, or he has given up completely on dating. There’s always the possibility that he’s impotent given his age, or the marriage with the Latino is really a front for him to legally immigrate, and they’re all apart of the scheme.
it’s equally likely she will become a housewife whose “career” consists of writing a blog post once a week while she spends half her energy rationalizing her “choice” to stay at home and have babies
That would be awful given the fact that the whole theory of marrying a feminist is that she’s not the type of girl who expects you to do everything for her like a princess.
Personally, I love it when feminist LUGs turn into June Cleavers-in-denial.
From what I’ve seen, LUG is really a proxy for holding out for alphas. The girls go LUG because they’re desperate for sex, but the supply of alphas is either limited or the girls have high standards for what constitutes an alpha male. Wellesley Queen didn’t succumb to this, but a number of her friends did at Wellesley.
(in response to David Alexander, who considers these guys his protectors and friends)
In her Flickr photo stream, there are three black people at her engagement party. That’s enough proof for me.🙂
Seriously, to an self-hating oreo, when you see photos of black people around a bunch of SWPL types, it seems to reinforce the meme that the SWPL are safe to be around, and that non-SWPL types who don’t have photos of black friends are all quiet quasi-racists with hatred lurking underneath a fake smile.
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on April 4, 2009 at 12:56 am Prairie Villain
Related post from some cunt at PuffHo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jill-brooke/should-ex-wives-be-unders_b_182951.html
OMG every man should be forced to read this article along with the comment section. There is no benefit to getting married.
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Seriously though what the fuck happened in the us.
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Usually im not so bitter but today i will.
This site is full of bitter guys that don’t know anything about anything! You are so superficial, it’s a shame.
The one thing that touched me was the 25 year old virgin guy from some couple of days ago, now, that was a good post. The rest, sometimes i screen this site and i kind off enjoy the topics in a bizarre way, i probably will find interesting topics, and some of the things are very true, the problem is that some are just down to earth wrong and miserable. You guys hate and despise girls so deep down inside. You are happy if you can cause damage in a person,
yes i’ve been hurt of course, everybody has, and i would never want to hurt back another, its a decision if someone wants to hurt me, i will never follow bad example,
Just give me one really good reason why you despise feminist’s , i doubt you will give me good one, if you don’t like anyone, then leave them alone, find your own friends and crowd, there is a big variety of people around.
I don’t like people who hate, so even i despise a group,, and i’m confident that that’s the only people to dislike.
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If a feminist (male or female) accuses you of being:
sexist = say think you. I do believe in non trivial sex differences, and I do think both men AND women are happier in otherwise equal partner relationships where men tend to more often lead, and not just in the bedroom.
a chauvanist = see “sexist”
believing in patriarchy = of course I believe in patriarchy, at least the liberal and mild kind. No Saudi Arabia for me.
But sure, all the most successful and powerful civilizations in history have been patriarchies. I think we should bring back a bit more in fact. You know by celebrating strong men in sitcoms, instead of forever ridiculing weak and incompetent and wife lead ones, which are about all that’s shown in the American entertainment media inside a marriage.
being anti-feminist = Of course. Thank you. I’m for strong and assertive men. Since the basics were agreed to by our elites in the 1960’s, feminism has tended to be very much for making women as much like men, and men as much like women as possible. I’m not for unisex, or advancing women’s rights at the cost of fairness to men, as in feminist divorce law and “men are guilty if accused by a woman until proven innocent” domestic violence law. But I have no problem with women having the right to compete in just about any job outside some in the military. I love having women at all strata in the workplace in fact. I’m so in favor of abortion rights that I think men should have them too. But anti the rest of feminism? You bet. What self respecting man who’s not totally the victim of feminist propaganda wouldn’t be?
Oh and feminism had nothing to do with the sexual revolution. The pill and IUD etc were responsible for that. Together with the lessening hold of traditional religions.
What do you mean men should have abortion rights? = If a woman has the right to choose, if her sex act with a man results in her becoming mistakenly pregnant, whether to bear the child and become a parent to it, or abort it or give it up for abortion, then a man should have the right to choose too. No he shouldn’t be able to put a woman under the knife, or bar her making that decision, but he should be able to abort any responsibilities — and rights — as a parent to the child. She can then take that into account in her decision making.
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Guys
biktopia has just laid down the gauntlet. She challenges:
I’m going to let you all take a crack before I do. (Other than what my immediately prior post, written before reading her, says.)
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doug, you are a regular Sir Walter Raleigh. I bet you spread out your nutsack over puddles for a lady to walk on.
Brav-eau
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Just saying your son telling you he is going to be married should be on a revulsion scale right below telling you he is coming out of the closet or that he has a thing for fucking chickens.
There is no longer any reason to get married at all.
There is every reason for a man not to get married.
I will henceforth call my woman my woman rather than wife because we are not married. We are just lifelong partners. No marriage is needed for that. Marriage needs to go the way of the dodo or dinosaur.
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Dougjnn.
“Just give me one really good reason why you despise feminist’s , i doubt you will give me good one”
It was almost as you answered my question, before you even saw what i wrote,,, it wasn’t of course.
I can say you loose the essence of feminism in your details, its not about contraceptives or IUD, or some weird girl finding her life to belong to a group claiming this and that about women/men rights. Thats a really sad situation, as in in sweden as i will just explain.
I am not a feminist in that sence but we should not divide feminism into smaller and smaller achievements but, what the whole thing is about is the equal rights for both sexes. For me, when i think about the fact that i am free and i can do whatever i want, which women have never been able to. I’m happy i live in this time, probably i would have been burned as a witch a couple of hundreds years ago.
Over to a the sad achievements of wannabe feminists
So i was born and raised in Sweden and moved abroad to a eastern European country, here, there is almost no feminist’s at all, guys are really guys and women are women, i disliked the equality in Sweden because there is a bunch of good looking guys, and they act like big babies, it’s hard to fall for a guy that has zero game strategy true. So i feel more like a women over here.
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“””””biktopia
Usually im not so bitter but today i will.
This site is full of bitter guys that don’t know anything about anything! You are so superficial, it’s a shame.””””””
And the army of men is growing biktopia keep the divorces flowing. Ride the train. Make it so no men raise there own children and they have no money and they have nothing to lose. Man won’t that be great to watch on tv from somewhere else.
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I hate feminists because they hate western culture and want to see it collapse. Their deepest fantasy is to be ravished by a type of man who is not susceptible to feministic bullshit. Therefore, they even lie to themselves. They are hollow and meaningless creatures who seek to suck the vitality out of healthier beings.
And there are worse crimes they are guilty of but decorum forbids that I should mention them out loud.
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Gunslingergregi
I cannot be alone blamed for divorce, do you think you have nothing to do with high divorce rates??
I have not been married and i don’t believe in marriage either, just have ceremony and do not sign any paper, and live happily. i Wrote this in another topic, but don’t remember where, but i don’t believe in marriage, and i don’t believe in any papers that comes with promising eternal love.
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I’ve disliked feminists since I was a teenager, but only recently did I really begin to understand how much they’ve screwed things up for men.
Let’s be honest: I care about men’s issues because I am a man. If something is bad for me, I’m not happy about it. Feminists want things to be bad for men, ergo, I oppose them. They DO NOT believe in equality. If they did, there would be a men’s shelter for every women’s shelter, men would get affirmative action, and men would live as long as women. As it is, American men get screwed every which way while women have it easy. At this point, I’m all for equality. Let’s lock up 20 times as many women to gain equality in imprisonment rates. It would be easy to do: just start jailing people for perjury and the female inmate population would explode overnight.
Feminists have only one agenda: domination. Look at that woman in the feministing picture. She has a defiant scowl on her face, and looks like she’d be right at home as an Abu Ghraib prison guard. She has a violent, arrogant visage, as though she would delight in the killing and beating of men, and she has a mouth and chin like Max Schmeling (no kidding). But what is her concern? That no woman ever has to worry about violence. What about men? Do you think she cares about whether they are killed or maimed? Of course not.
This is the essence of a feminist: hatred and violence against men. The deepest desire is to dominate and enslave. Roissy’s quote of Bladerunner (one of my favorites, BTW) in his post summarizes in a few words what feminists have in mind for men: slavery.
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“””””””Biktopia,
i disliked the equality in Sweden because there is a bunch of good looking guys, and they act like big babies, it’s hard to fall for a guy that has zero game strategy true. So i feel more like a women over here.”””””””
Yea it is not equality that is being meated out. Woman will always be unequal they have a pussy. Men want pussy. Successful men will take poor pussy and make it rich because it is pussy. Poor guys can’t do that. They must actually work to become successful. Therefore guys become stronger on the worldly side because of that or they die of starvation. Woman remain weak because they are born with the ability to take advantage of mens needs with there pussy. In work, in play, in marriage, wherever. It keeps them weak in a lot of ways of the world because they don’t have to earn there way in the same way a man does. The problem is when they don’t use there pussy right and fuck up by not getting a man to commit to helping them. Then they really have to become a man but the problem is there pussy always got them free tickets but now no one really wants it. So they don’t get special favors anymore. Then steps in the government to help these woman who have not played the game correctly by punishing men who already from the beginning had to work harder than these woman did with the pussy. So now it is a lifetime of payment for men just to get some pussy. Kind of pathetic really. As pussy wears out rather fast. Men often forget this tidbit of knowlege though with fresh pussy that clouds there judgement.
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biktopia —
I hear you babe. Kiss.
Do you really think I don’t know anything about anything biktopia? Or weren’t you talking about me – or PA – or Dave from Hawaii — etc?
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“””””biktopia
Gunslingergregi
I cannot be alone blamed for divorce, do you think you have nothing to do with high divorce rates??”””””””
It is not the high divorce rates it is who gets punished in divorce. If people want to seperate get seperated. Why after you get seperated do woman feel they have any type of claim at all on the man they were married too. You are seperated cut the ties. Go your seperate ways. Live on your fucking own. Take charge of your life. Be equal and man the fuck up.
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Torn between pity and rage for the second guy.
I think of the poor slob waking up one morning and getting into a staring match with the other man of the house over the toilet seat, taking out the trash, doing the dishes, etc. Does the poor slob look away at the floor after a second of eye contact? Roll over on to his back and begin pissing on his stomach like a whipped dog in his own home?
Does one hope for a breaking point with the poor slob? One day he’ll snap and kill everyone in the house and then himself? Considering the living arrangements as they are how many government checks are cashed at this address? The ex-wife has to be on some sort of government feed lot program. It wouldn’t be a tragedy for the taxpayers if this beta slob recovered his self respect and hoisted the black flag.
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Biktopia and others–
Note when I say above that I have no problem with women competing in most any kind of job that’s true but. There is a but.
I feel it should be allowed and a respected path for some, but be far, far less what our culture pushes for all intelligent women. As I’ve said before I think there should be absolutely not affirmative action of any kind for women, including inquiries into why there aren’t more women CEO’s etc. (most of the ones there have been in demanding situations haven’t done that well, e.g. Carli Fiorini ex of HP.) I think the cultural attitude should be that normally women won’t put as much emphasis on job success as men, and that that is how it should be.
Much, much more than now.
If any gender should, it’s men who should have affirmative action at work, since it is better for relationships and for families if men have higher status and earn more than the woman partner in their lives does. (Following gunny I’m going to downplay using “wives until marriage becomes a better deal for men than it is under American law and culture as it’s developed to now.) If that bedrock institution of Western culture, monogamous marriage is going to make any kind of comeback, steps need to be taken back towards patriarchy a bit. But only part way.
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As for right-leaning smart guys gaming feminist bitches like Jessica, I’d like to try this. There seems to be different opinions on whether it gets them wet or gets them hateful. (Maybe both?) As i said, I have some sexual attraction to these kind of girls, and I live in NYC, ground zero for these kind of bitches. I would LOVE to hate fuck some cunty feminist. I bet it would be hot. Relevant game tips are wellcome.
Feminism has no worth, if it ever did. Women have equal, or SUPERIOR, rights to men everywhere in our society. Meanwhile, media, schools and feminists themselves (including some men) keep propagating worthless myths. MEN need to start defending their rights now. Men now die earlier, make LESS money in major cities, and achieve less educationally compared to women. Divorce and marriage law is squarely against us. Yet, NOBODY seems to be fighting for these concerns in the political arena. What will it take? Women with sons?
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Gunny
Three cheers.
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On two notes:
Beta guy number one has been greenlighted on this and also femnut has a book on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1580052533/ref=cm_rdp_product
Truthteller left a very interesting comment on her book.
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Dougjjn
I screened down to the bottom of this site and saw Racer X comment, that was the bitter comment.
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I feel it should be allowed and a respected path for some, but be far, far less what our culture pushes for all intelligent women.
I’d suspect that low birthrates to a certain extent have inflated this. As an example, When one two daughters, and a third child is de facto unaffordable, parents can sometimes end up treating one (or both) of the daughters like a son, and they’ll expect what used to be traditionally male levels of success from their daughters.
it’s men who should have affirmative action at work, since it is better for relationships and for families if men have higher status and earn more than the woman partner in their lives does
The problem with that method is that cutting wages for women makes work less attractive, and it makes beta males more attractive as revenue sources. I’d rather pay 45% marginal tax rates then spend my income on a woman who will never love me, and only wants my money because she’s incapable of earning it on her own.
Of course, if you’re a stupid beta male who thinks women will love him, then yes, the patriarchy works. If you’re smart enough to figure out the truth, then feminism works.
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Racer X comment was a bit to much for me…
I do care about men! I do care about everybody equally, both men and women.
as i told before, i don’t want to hurt anyone, its simply because i don’t want to be bad person.
People that are mean to each other, are both men and women,
I don’t want to go into details about how nasty it can get, but you all know, unfortunately we all do, still i believe the essence of feminism, helped me, and not on the cost of men’s existence, what happen nowadays in western countries is in fact a tragedy, and it has a multiplex of reason’s. One of them is a LAW/ feministic Humanistic science courses in universities that should be banned. It has nothing to do with human right or Feminism anymore. The other is Law, which twist’s the right from wrong.
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Note: As an example, When one two daughters, and a third child is de facto unaffordable should be As an example, married parents may have two daughters, but due to financial concerns, they may be unable to have a son who would potentially be a third (or fourth) child…
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Well regarding this Jessica feminist, her book also details how she was banged at 13 or 14 as a high school freshman and that she was “cruelly labelled slut” so what you have here is an emotionally immature woman who got broken in and paid some psychological price for it among her peers.
What this means in terms of how many guys she banged in high school is not clear but it was enough to impact her and she’s been trying to rationalize it ever since.
Apparently the beta guy is a prince because he’s willing to overlook that fact that she’s been hypersexualized since puberty.
That has disaster written all over it. This woman and her feminist “values” is oddly surrendering to marriage but you can bet your last dollar that she will cheat as “it’s her body” blah blah blah and she will blame this guy for her behavior should he uncover it sooner or later.
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David — most men and pretty much everyone would prefer lower taxes. Money in your hand is worth more than nebulous somethings tomorrow.
So, you’re the exception. What you like is pretty much so far out that it doesn’t even approach the values/needs/wants of most men.
Cutting women’s wages of course would be a disaster, since capital would substitute cheaper women for more expensive men. Just as capital prefers cheap, disposable, H1-B Visa workers to Americans.
Traditionally populist movements have been working/middle class male oriented and run. Seeking among other things to pump up wages by restricting entry into the workforce of immigrants, restricting immigration, Blacks, and women.
Less workers available = higher wages. Simple as that. Ugly perhaps in the playing out for those not White middle/working class men, but then the non-majority groups usually find it ugly: non-Africans in East Africa (Indians, Whites, Asians), non-Indonesian/Malays in Indonesia and Malaysia (mostly Chinese diaspora) and so on. Same dynamic there too.
As a practical matter, dual incomes are needed in the expensive economy to pay for good homes in good school districts, private school, tuition for college (no help for middle/working class Whites) and so on.
I would say a cultural change rather than economic one: pushing women out of the workforce, is needed.
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I’ll vote for Beta #1. His SWPL made me despise him. And of course he’s created (along with PUAs) by the women who encouraged that sort of junk. The second guy is just pathetic.
But the first guy could have been a man, or a pathetic feminized parody of one. He had choices and chose “nice guy.”
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“””””‘Turtle
Does one hope for a breaking point with the poor slob? One day he’ll snap and kill everyone in the house and then himself? Considering the living arrangements as they are how many government checks are cashed at this address? The ex-wife has to be on some sort of government feed lot program. It wouldn’t be a tragedy for the taxpayers if this beta slob recovered his self respect and hoisted the black flag.”””””””
Turtle I think you hit that one dead on. Even his children would probably thank him for removing them from hell if they could meet each other in the afterlife. Sometimes killing someone is a mercy. Some things should not be lived through.
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The thing is whiskey if it where really about capital we still wouldn’t need woman in the workplace in the “west” What do they contribute to production of anything? What job do they do that could not be automated? Automation will push almost everyone out of the workforce but especially woman.
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Agreed on the property rights, Rum.
The problem today is that the property rights are not protected in the contract that is signed with the marriage.
Yes, I know a lot of women lose out in divorce monetarily and materially, but so many more men do when there are children involved.
And when you consider that marriage was designed initially for the breeding and nurturing of children, and therefore of benefit to the wider clan/tribe/society, then it’s beyond stupid that it’s been allowed to be devalued and undermined to the extent it has.
Of course, I’m a conspiracy theorist from way back and I tend to believe that Gramsci and co have a lot to answer for, so I also believe this destruction wrought on marriage, and manhood and the christian church in particular is deliberate.
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Compfy office jobs gone all the teller jobs where you collect money gone Thats a pretty big chunk right there.
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Stop that. You’re getting me hot and bothered.
LOL, Doug. I’ll take that as a compliment, thanks.
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David Alexander
So you choose to be cuckolded by the state instead. At least in marriage you might get some hugs.
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Leaders then
You will only need people to come up with new ideas maybe
people to categoraize those ideas into a list of actions
people to automate those actions.
No longer will the rung be needed to implement those repetative tasks.
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Gunslingergregi.
Exactly what are you thinking of worth better being dead then not live through?
And the automated work?
I think you write this to make somebody annoyed, and yet you have so many good comments along the way and then its all flushed down.
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Naa default you get the hugs from a relationship those the best hugs anyway lol I notice when I got married first time right after it became different. Not better.
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Roissy:
Women love these kinds of stories because they get to live vicariously through the fantasy of banging the guy they really desire while the good provider chump practically neuters himself with his amiable acquiescence.
This reminds me of something that happened recently that I’d like to share with the class.
I have an o m e g a friend I’ll call “D”.
On the one hand, D is fairly wealthy, but on the other hand, he makes David Alexander look like a beta.
Since the time I first met him in college, his romantic life has been a string of unrequited love and heartbreak, with a smattering of sexual experiences here and there that were due more to the mental instability of the women involved than any sort of Game on his part. A couple were actually rather attractive, although I knew they were playing him for his $$$.
The last time I saw D, he excitedly relayed to me the latest news: Apparently, a cute girl in his office whom he had been eyeballing and chatting to for some time (but never asked out) offered a proposal. It seems she was pitching the idea of her, D, and some other guy having threesomes together. Poor D had thought he had hit paydirt. And for a brief moment, I thought the same — until I saw the photos of everyone involved.
Perhaps I’m too cynical, but what *I* saw in the photo was an extremely cunning playette who was already (probably) banging this alpha-dude who worked in the mailroom, and saw a way to have her cake and eat it too — by suckering in my chump friend to be the sugar daddy who foots the bill for her dalliances with her *real* sweetheart.
All she would need to do is throw him a pity fuck here and there to keep him in the dark. And it wouldn’t even be a pity fuck if they were having a threesome — she could gag herself on Alpha’s cock while D lapped away at her Vaj like a lickspittle o m e g a.
I couldn’t help but admire the sheer audacity of her plan.
Of course, the whole sordid idea turned my stomach. I was compelled at first to shake D awake as I had done oh so many times before in the past. But by this point I knew it was pointless. He never learns. And why would he? The truth would only make him miserable since it has become abundantly clear that in spite of the herculean efforts I have made over the years to teach him what I know, that he, like David Alexander, will never ever do anything to change himself. And like Cheryl Crow once said, “If it makes you happy, it can’t be that bad.” He did seem happy about the whole thing.
I was sick with pity and all I could do was avert my eyes and mumble some vague congratulations.
I bring this up because it touches on something that’s been concerning me lately. Out in the field, out here on the frontlines, I’ve been making some new observations. Perhaps this is just an artifact of life in a big metropolitan coastal city (in the hedonistic nightlife scene no less), but then again, as Roissy has pointed out before, what happens in the coastal cities is a harbinger of things to come.
I’ve been coming across more and more stories of PUA’s getting out-played by playettes. And it concerns me because by all accounts the PUA’s did everything “right”, i.e., by the book. (It’s even happened to me, to anyone who remembers my Beach Hostess story.)
In times past, women could get away with tooling a beta into being an orbiter. She might string along some chump into paying for dinner dates before excusing herself to secretly meet up with AssholeWhoGetsAllTheChicks.
We’ve come a long way since then.
For instance, True Playas now know to never promise exclusivity first. He who asks for exclusivity loses the power position. Your girl starts talking to other dudes at the bar? No problemo – you don’t sweat it. You talk to other chicks. By doing so you maintain the prize frame and increase the odds that she comes back to you.
But what I’ve heard of happening lately is girls hooking up with a PUA, and at some point later asking where they stand — in some cases explicitly asking how the PUA would feel if she dated other guys because, according to her, it would bother her alot if he (the PUA) dated other girls.
The PUA responds to this shit test appropriately, as noted above.
What I have then seen happen is that the girl, who apparently all along was playing the PUA to eventually be a borefriend-provider, starts secretly banging guys *way* out of her league: tattooed bartenders and bikers and such. Guys that she *knows* would never commit to her in a million years. The PUA only gets to bang her once every couple weeks, all along thinking he’s got this one in the bag when in reality the girl is consciously rationing her sex until she gets commitment. In the meantime she gets to have her fun with badboys, and if ever called on it, will protest that the PUA said they weren’t exclusive.
Clever, eh? Game recognize game. I suppose it was inevitable that with us men having our Third Eyes opened by Roissy & Co., that women would start to adapt.
“It’s escalation, baby.”
Anyway, just some thoughts that have been rolling around in my noggin lately.
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If that guy kills his whole family his kids will thank him in the next life. There are worse things than dieing biktopia one of those is living through a shit divorce.
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Game this girl by busting on her for focusing too much on gay marriage and not enough on the plight of third world women suffering Female Genital Mutiliation. Then (as I know you can all do), challenge her on how she reconciles her feminism with respecting other cultures and religions when those cultures and religions brutalize women. Those Birkenstocks’ll be up in no time.
Keith, you have to be careful with this one. FGM is seen as a cultural phenomenon, and therefore offlimits to western feminazis.
As has been pointed out, feminists tend to band with islamists against western men, and it does their head in when you try to talk about stuff like this with them. Any attempt to use reason and logic is guaranteed to shut down any conversation and make it difficult to communicate further.
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I am just telling you the future biktopia. Prepare yourself.
Automated work as in people no longer needed to do shit that is repedative. Which is probably most jobs. If you find yourself doing mostly the same thing day after day. This would mean that your job will not be needed.
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BeEasy at 12.23:
Wow.
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For instance construction equipment company has payroll people and office people to take calls and hand out job orders and cut paychecks. Now they have automatic payroll and the mechanics carry computers around with them. The calls come directly to there computer which tracks there time and bills it to the company that called it in. The paycheck is auto deposited into there account. Do you see a job for a woman anywhere in that situation.
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I would really rather live. Really,
im interested if you have been through a divorce? as a child or by your own.
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Company I worked for automated majority of female jobs in loading center where I worked got rid of a whole middle prosses which was also the light process area. Still needed people to load trucks but there was only one female doing that.
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So i was born and raised in Sweden and moved abroad to a eastern European country, here, there is almost no feminist’s at all, guys are really guys and women are women, i disliked the equality in Sweden because there is a bunch of good looking guys, and they act like big babies, it’s hard to fall for a guy that has zero game strategy true. So i feel more like a women over here.
Biktopia, your Sweden is the direction the out and proud Feminists are moving western civilisation in. Or attempting to.
The two things that spring to mind when I think of Sweden are Abba and Malmo. This is not good for Sweden.
The men act like big babies because they have been brought up that way. There have been reports around of kindergartens forcing boys to urinate sitting down, just like the girls do.
If you think that’s okay, then the problem is bigger than you realise.
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I wouldn’t but no one will kill me and I can’t kill myself.
My dad was to much of a pussy to do it because I asked him.
Well you could read all about it in previous posts. Yea My parents got divorced saw my dad locked out of his own house. Mom changed the locks. Police told him he couldn’t break in to his own house to get his stuff. All he had was what he had in his van when he left that day to start his new life. So yea got to see how fucked up it is first hand. Got to also see how a man is stronger than a woman. He started with nothing and still went and bought a house got a job raised my little sister after he got custody on his own. No child support. My mom started with all the crap in the house plus the house. She ended with nothing. Should have ended up living on the street. But my dad chose to rescue her.
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Oh and by the way my mom had a masters degree so did my dad yeee haaaaaa
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She got divorced because she way overvalued her postion in the world. When the reality hit I think it caused her mind to go gazaa
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Sweden is one of the weirdest and most equal countries, yes guys can sit down and urinate, its Sweden, its just hard to take them seriously when they do.
Ok not everyone does, and its rare, but i was brought up where the kindergarten had children books about how mom and dad was copulating and how little child Sara was picked up by 2 “mothers” and not a father and a mother, even in childhood they push “equality” down children throats. I don’t think that’s the whole issue though, but perhaps its a strong contribution to its problems.
Another thing, as i live abroad and come across with a lot of expats and also a lot of people from Sweden there is nothing cooler then Swedes that lived abroad, a mix of genuine fairness meanwhile they adapt to game, that’s just perfect!
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Tupac
Isn’t this where slut shaming comes in?
It seems to me this playette in question, especially if oblique slut shaming doesn’t work on her, is in fact too low quality for the player to consider as possible LTR material.
It also seems to me that any alpha who’s also got a status and income job as part but not by any means the only part of his alpha dome (cause there’s game and looks and physique too), is always going to have some vulnerability to this, if he allows it. There are always going to be guys whose shear recklessness will be able to provide a kind of thrill, if nothing else in the diversity, to pure thrill seeking hotties. Of course to the extent she really heavily goes that way she’s probably going downhill fast, and she probably knows that esp. if she’s 25 or older, and has lots of options. So a lot of what she’s doing is goading the more stable alpha, while also having her cake and eating it too.
Accusation by innuendo of standards less slut and bottom swilling skank are the best offensive defense that come to mind.
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tupac:
i feel you on that train of thought. nyc is a disaster zone. in my own process of trying to learn game, i have just had to push all the conventional ratios up a notch, at least in bar game. well-constructed number-closes are essentially worthless, and kiss-closes are the new “1 out of 3”. it would seem unfathomable that two thirds of girls who are ok with kissing you before exchanging numbers would then smoke your followup the next week. however, my friends and i observe it firsthand regularly. personally, i have just amended my focus to same night lays. it raises the bar quite a bit but seems to be the necessary challenge for success in the city. it also accelerates how quickly you get to “the dark side” in your perspective of women, as Roosh blogged about (very well) last week. you draw the same conclusions with just a sliver of his notch count.
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Biktopia, if a bloke wants to sit down on the toilet I couldn’t care less. It’s when a child is forced to go against his inclinations.
There is hardcore indoctrination going on over in Swedish kindergartens – you may not recognise it as such because you lived in it.
I share the house here with another single mother, and the number of times we get mistaken for a pair of lesbians is insane. It’s the default position, rather it just being two women who share due to financial circumstances and also to provide some support.
Luckily we agree on a lot of childrearing stuff, so both kids get time with their fathers, for example.
I get really pissed at the sidelong glances and having to explain that I’m not gay, I happen to like men quite a lot.
Also regarding your comment about eternal love not being realistic.
It can happen, and it does. It’s just that you need to redefine your concept of “love”. If you’re talking about the romantic tripe that we see parading through movies and books, then you’re right. It doesn’t last. It can’t.
That stuff’s purely to hook you in physically and keep you interested until you can get to know your partner properly with all their flaws. Then you can work with them, and find ways to complement your differences.
The reason so many older couples stayed together is because they worked at their marriage.
Today there’s no need to do so. Tired of your man? Think you’ve fallen out of lerv or there’s someone catching your eye over there? Get a divorce.
Tired of coming home to an empty house because he’s at work still so you’ve got to cook dinner on top of all that? Get a divorce.
Pissed off that he wouldn’t let you spend the mortgage money on a horse? Get a divorce.
See? It’s easier to walk away (and with the laws in anglo countries especially) take a chunk of his money.
Good things take time, and effort and commitment, and people no longer understand what that actually means.
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nilk, biktopia —
The situation is just so absurd when you think about it.
Men naturally dominate women. Not completely by any means; naturally there is a close partnership, and a mutual dependence. And certainly not in every case. But overall and in most cases, if great efforts to the contrary aren’t made by a society.
Well suffused with cultural Marxism, the West has been making those great efforts since the 1960s, particularly the Anglosphere has, and perhaps even more countries such as Sweden. Much less e.g. France, Spain or Italy.
Now I agree it’s good to keep that in civilized check. But to achieve feminist goals everywhere requires a whole raft of laws to punish male dominance over women expressed in anything but the subtlest possible way, and feminists are forever working on ways of going further and further in this. Similarly it requires great propaganda efforts in schools and up the educational ladder to keep boys from pulling girls hair, or ganging up (in a small group) to pull humiliating pranks on a particularly bossy or obnoxious girl, and so on.
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Nilk
I don’t Know how and why you know so much about Swedish kindergartens ,, and i don’t think your statement is all true, Sweden has a lot of problem, but compared to 75% of the world, it’s a paradise to live in.
And im like hmm on the love Q: im a big romantic, its maybe all in my head but then, there it is and no one can take that away from me,
Its odd to me that you are surprised that you have to explain yourself that you are not a lesbian, but yes in times we do need to explain and explain and once again explain who we are and where we are from, its nothing to be angry about, just consider it as another person that also understands.
I’m highly concerned about a guy sitting down a peeing, as much as i don’t like a guy being very fussy about checking all the wheels on his Suzuki before he goes to work.
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Yes, and the numbers of laws that punish men for being men are outrageous.
We have feminised schools where there are no male teachers at all, for example. How on earth is a boy supposed to have any exposure to how boys and men really are when he is spending the majority of his time surrounded by children his own age and adult women?
Not that it’s any surprise that we’ve nowhere near enough male teachers – look at the outrage the erupts when male teachers are accused of behaving inappropriately with female students.
There are plenty of female students that come onto the teachers and then cry assault, I’m sure.
And then we get crap like this:
Oh, and it gets better – sheforgiveshim!
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Cannon’s Cannon–
Since you’re on the frontlines of NYC’s twenty somethings, while I’ve retired from that field some time ago, let me ask you your take on sluttiness of NYC night scene women. By that I mean are sometimes found in that scene, not are there most nights of the week necessarily.
If I recall correctly Rossy said about half of DC women were sluts by 29, which he defined as having had more than 10 different guys. (I thought that was an awfully low slut threshold, based on my own older experiences in fast places on both coasts.) I believe he said he thought about 20% of girls were super sluts by 29, which he defined as 30 or more guys. (I’d probably say 30 by 29 is clear slut territory while super sluts are at least twice that, but more importantly have a whole lot of first night and three or four guys in the rotation banging, while still prospecting for fun and a higher alpha, and so on.)
Also I’m talking true numbers that you only get from sluts by convincingly being an enthusiastic slut lover (pretending to be for everything when it’s really only for non LTRs) and talking about high numbers yourself, not the first offered lie.
So what’s your au current take on NYC sluttiness?
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Naa doug it takes great effiort to seperate people by sex and then seperate people by diversity to make them better slaves and keep there nose to the grindstone. No diversity no war of sexes no need to escape or be wealthy you can just chill.
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Guess we can just hope for asian countries to develop and use perfect war first and put the rest of the world out of its misery.
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The second nominee is by all means a freak, but I’m not so sure he is even the bigger beta in that situaton. The new husband presumbly pays some sort of rent to the ex and it is highly likely that ex is still fucking the wife. They are all wierdos (supported by the pictures) but not nearly as pathetic as number one
Now the first nominee, he’s just pure pusy.
Also, number one is likely educated with better options and (should) know better. Number two is just a bunch of trashy dumb asses.
Number one it is.
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Tupac Chopra so what happened to D omega? You said this slutty chick was going to take him for money? Well what happened.
NYC is basically an open fire zone. Chicks do anything and everything. I was at a club and zeroed in on this better looking Kristy Yamiguchi chick at the bar with her friend and within five minutes had my hand around her and practically kissing right straight out.
Her friend was giving her “the look” like you aren’t really doing this again are you. They were from Chicago and now living in NYC. Not 10 minutes later we were in the upstairs lounge and “Kristy” was rubbing her ass against my friend from Europe.
Who know where it would have gone but wasn’t into the other friend so just let it expire. They went on clubbing and trying there luck with some other guys.
My guess it that it was nothing short of typical for these twenty something chicks.
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nilk
Yumm on you.
Given the attitudes you’ve expressed towards men and rad feminism (yaaa), about the importance of fathers in raising children, and in fact in the successful involvement of your daughter’s bio dad in her life, it’s killing me to figure out why you either divorced him or didn’t marry him.
I know this is too personal to necessarily expect an answer, but my guess is either 1) he’s an alpha who wasn’t willing to be pinned down (or is pinned down with another woman), but does care about his daughter; or 2) he’s a beta you aren’t attracted to enough to want to continue being with but either married him before or had a relationship with him before.
2) seems a little strange given that you’ve said you aren’t dating at all these days. I.e. if it’s 2 that makes him worse than nothing to you sexually, which is *ouch*.
A variant of 1) could be that he’s an alcoholic or a druggy, perhaps reformed at the moment but you aren’t at all confidant about the long term, or similar.
OK, I have no right to ask, really. But I’d love to be enlightened anyway. I am curious as all hell. I guess that’s because you’re intriguing me.
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On two notes:
Beta guy number one has been greenlighted on this and also femnut has a book on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1580052533/ref=cm_rdp_product
Truthteller left a very interesting comment on her book.
Okay, so the woman is a published author, while the man is a deputy ecitor of a 14 person company. She also has a picture of herself with Bill Clinton.
I stand proud in my claim that he is using HER. That her mind has been so fried by feminist thought that she is associating with such a completely disloyal creature as it.
Yeah, I know all you think SWPL Man Number 1 is harmless. It couldn’t stab you in the back if you thought it was dangerous. Guy 1 is a completely treacherous sneak.
The ‘harmless’ look…. or at least the look that you people for some reason think is harmless, is that of a completely treacherous cheat.
It is sad that the woman is so brain-fried that she thinks American’s are obsessed with virginity. What percentage of women or men are actually virgins at 22?
American’s may be ‘obsessed’ with virginity in the context of losing it as quickly as possible, but that’s about it.
She could do better. 100 times better. It’s sad.
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The italic text above is from RW.
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Jesus, have any of you even listened to her youtube video?
Ok, she’s wacked, but she is BIG-TIME super-connected has mentors and high level friends wacked.
HE IS USING HER FOR HER CONNECTIONS(though she probably has more money than him to).
I called it. Every single fact is just another brick in the wall.
I’m getting bummed out, actually.
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“””Exactly what are you thinking of worth better being dead then not live through?”””
Biktopia,
Ever read 1984?
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most men and pretty much everyone would prefer lower taxes. Money in your hand is worth more than nebulous somethings tomorrow.
Of course more money in my hands would be nice, but given the choice, I’d rather pay higher taxes to get better roads, better trains, and other government functions. Some have argued that taxes will go up to prop up women, and quite frankly I wouldn’t mind paying the increased taxes so these women wouldn’t bother me with their fake claims of love and desire toward me.
I would say a cultural change rather than economic one: pushing women out of the workforce, is needed.
What’s the point of higher wages if the vast sum of your money is being forced into the hands of a woman who doesn’t love you? I am not getting anything worth the value of the money that I’m putting into the marriage, so it’s simply money wasted. It’s more effective to cook and clean for myself or pay some immigrant slightly above market wages to do those things for me. Even with lower wages, I’ll still come out ahead financially.
So you choose to be cuckolded by the state instead. At least in marriage you might get some hugs.
Paying my taxes to a bland faceless state is far less oppressive than directly handing over my income over to a blood sucking vampire who fakes her love and desire toward me and lives in my house. I refuse to pay for meaningless hugs from a vampire when I can get them for free from outside of marriage.
Besides, when you’re single, you can receive your hugs from multiple women.🙂
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As to why we hate feminists?
Feminists are to the average woman…
…what Al-Qaeda is to everyday Muslims
…what Gangsta Rappers are to law-abiding blacks
…what the extreme Star Trek fan is to the average fan
That being said, feminists gained so much power partly due to stupid Beta men who failed to notice how unfair of a web has been spun around them.
Now, a REAL feminist is someone like Todd Palin – who supports his wife’s successful career while also raising 5 kids with her. Their marriage is genuine and has real love, plus, he is not a wussy mangina, but rather a tough outdoorsman.
Frankly, they are excellent role models for what 21st century marriage should be like.
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Three women of note in the blogosphere are fighting for men’s rights in America.
Dr. Helen Smith (wife of Instapundit’s Glenn Reynolds)
Amy Alkon
Rachel Lucas
But I really have only noticed these three going out of their way to point out and condemn mistreatment of men.
You would think that sisters and mothers of ruined men would do more, but they don’t.
That is why I say Islam, for all its flaws, is the effective antidote. Dumbshits like TokyoJesusfist disagree, but they don’t know what they are talking about.
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Three women of note in the blogosphere are fighting for men’s rights in America.
Dr. Helen Smith (wife of Instapundit’s Glenn Reynolds)
Amy Alkon
Rachel Lucas
But I really have only noticed these three going out of their way to point out and condemn mistreatment of men.
You would think that sisters and mothers of ruined men would do more, but they don’t.
That is why I say Islam, for all its flaws, is the effective antidote. Dumbshits like TokyoJesusfist disagree, but they don’t know what they are talking about.
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The two things that spring to mind when I think of Sweden are Abba and Malmo. This is not good for Sweden.
When I think Sweden, I think of Stockholm, Oresund Link, the homeplace of the greatest locomotive in American history bar none, X2 sets we should have fucking bought instead of the POS Acela, cold weather, Nordic bliss, Saab, and IKEA.
Not that it’s any surprise that we’ve nowhere near enough male teachers
As somebody who considered teaching, I’d argue that the problem is that elementary school education pays less than middle school and high school, and the curriculum is downright boring and inane for the teacher. Plus, I suspect men just don’t have the patience to deal with students, and the few who do are basically too wimpy or shy to teach in front of a class*. I’d also imagine that the fear of child molesters has chased out men who teach anything other than gym to elementary and some middle school teachers lest one be labelled a child molester.
BTW, one of my more alpha male friends is a high school history teacher at a Catholic School.
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Another reason that people hate feminists is that they are THE most hypocritical group on the planet. More hypocritical than Palestinians, Reverend Wright, and the darkest days of the USSR.
They preach ‘equality’ when it suits them, and then happily get away with any instance where they are favored at the expense of men.
Any woman who believes in a woman getting alimony, frankly, believes that women are not as capable as men. Period.
Although, the pushover men who let feminism get this far also deserve part of the blame.
That is why the real feminist is Todd Palin. He supported his wife’s grand goals, and received good, loving reciprocity in return. That is why leftist ‘feminazis’ hate the Palin family so much.
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I have to vote for number one, if we are using “beta” in its more hostile sense.
The moral preening going on here is just too much to stand. But I’m sure it scores them both points in the narrow social milieu they share.
(if either of them has any brains, they’ll look back on this in fifteen years and cringe.)
The situation in #2 is skewed by poverty and low social class and possibly even a very low sex drive on the ex’s part.
That guy is beta, sure, but do alpha Nebraskans even exist? 😉
Come to think of it, both these guys stand to benefit in some ways by their “betaness.”
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Men have never had a lot of interest in elementary schoolteaching. It’s a traditionally femmey occupation, and that is OK.
It’s not the state’s business to give the kids enough male role models. (or enough black ones, or enough asian ones, or enough white ones, or whatever.) Get a daddy, right?
Guys only get interested in teaching when the subject matter itself is sufficiently advanced and interesting. HS physics, etc.
(or when it’s their fallback job: middle school band director when he realizes his trombone performance career is never going to pay the bills. LOL. But even then, they’re always gunning to at least teach HS.)
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David A — high taxes only result in public goods that are worthwhile when there is a nearly 95% or more single ethnic group that operates in a wide-trust network. Sweden in the 1950’s, in other words.
Anywhere else, High Taxes simply = lots of graft. Think Chicago.
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Tood — Islam = a few Big Men hogging all the women. It’s the whole POINT of Islam. It guarantees big fights over women ALL THE TIME and is why Muslims are so inherently violent.
The solution to soft polygamy is not hard polygamy.
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That guy is beta, sure, but do alpha Nebraskans even exist?
Warren Buffett is one of the biggest swinging dicks in the country!
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whiskey,
That is only the most extreme Islam. In Turkey, Malaysia, traditional Persian society, etc. it is not like that.
I just want Islam to spread to the extent that veiled women with 3 small kids are visible in major US cities every day. Childless, aging white feminazis will see this, put 2 and 2 together, and get genuinely scared by it. Then, they will try to use courts to confront Islam. Islam will retaliate with violence against feminazis. That is what I want.
I think we are not far from that. That is still a long way from America becoming an Islamic state.
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Well, that’s true, Tarl!
Doesn’t everyone see Muslim gals all the time already? Last night I was in the Wal-Mart at the podunk little university town up the road and saw two Muslim women in niqab.
That a bumpkin like myself even knows WTF “niqab” is should tell you something.
the SWPL crowd is not really afraid of Muslims.
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The only thing I despise more than feminists are the pussy men who cave into them. If I had my way, once all the feminists had been deported to different Islamic countries to become forced concubines to their Muslim masters, I would then round up all male wimps who caved into them and have them liquidated or at least sent off to labor camps. There at least they could fuck each other up the ass like the latent gay men that they are, which would be more honorable than getting metaphorically fucked up the ass by a feminist. They would never be allowed to spread their flawed seed, however, so forced sterilization or even castration would have to be applied. This would have to be administered, just in case a few escaped and happened to impregnate some lone feminist who we missed in our rounding up operations. After that act of social cleansing, we could then start the rebuilding process of Western Civilization. We are going to have to fight Islam eventually to preserve the West so the sooner we start this new social program the better. Oh yeah, and do you think the democratically controlled federal government might give me some funds for all this?
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“That a bumpkin like myself even knows WTF “niqab” is should tell you something. ”
Knowing what it is vs. seeing 3 of them per day are two different things. At Heathrow airport in London, there are tons of such woman, all with 2-3 little kids.
“the SWPL crowd is not really afraid of Muslims.”
BECAUSE it is not a threat to them yet.
When it starts to rub against them, the cowardly SWPLs will be SHIT SCARED.
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Yea tood only gonna see the covered faces on strict muslims.
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My woman put the shit on once was hot for a minute. But yea everyday not wearing that.
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Also, Wal-mart is not where faggotty SWPLs shop.
We need niqab’ed women to be visible every day in the airports, downtown areas, malls, and other places where feminists will see them.
Wal-Mart is not in the field of vision of feminists.
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You go kuwait yea most woman are gonna be covered. Iraq not so much it was more secular funnily enough
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Doug, my girl’s dad is a greater beta player who doesn’t want to grow up, doesn’t want responsibility and didn’t want to commit to me. His words.
Sometimes you just get hooked in at the wrong moment.
While he has some form of love for his girl, I wouldn’t call him a fantastic role model. But it’s not about him, and it’s not about me. If it was about me, I’d have taken up the offers I’ve had to run away interstate or overseas.🙂
It’s not my job to keep her from him. It’s my job to make sure she has the tools she needs to survive and succeed, and if that means I have to put up with his existence, so be it.
She loves him to bits and has a good relationship with him, and that’s what counts.
Puberty will be interesting, though.
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From one the of the quotes on that hag’s blog:
“My partner and I decided early on that we didn’t want to use gendered language in our vows or ceremony–replacing “man” and “woman” with “person” and “husband” and “wife” with “partner” (or “married” in one case).”
This insanity speaks for itself. When the cleansing begins, these two will be the first to be sent off to Saudi Arabia and a labor camp. Castration will be mandatory for the male. I hope she enjoys being fucked a few times a month by her new Muslim husband, forced to have his multiple children, and made to spend the rest of her life cleaning his shit stained underwear.
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Tood — You aren’t a fan of Camille Paglia?
More Jessica:
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Of course I just realized that these two I recently mentioned could have been two lesbians. Most likely they are hags too, but if in the off chance they are hot, well their fate will be to video tape all their sex for the entertainment of men who enjoy watching hot women get it on. Hot lesbians get a pass on the exportation program.
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That’s your first fuckup racer giving out passes. That is how it all started.
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Whiskey: the men also get killed a lot in the violence, so it balances out. The more richer ones might get a lot of wives but the poorer ones will just have to contend themselves with one or a divorcee. There have been no shortages that I know of. In any society, the men will fight over the 10s. It is a fact that men on top of the food chain will get all the women, regardless of which society it is.
Having four recognised wives instead of one at any time if you can support them all is certainly not The Point of Islam (perhaps The Bonus of Islam, for some). Practically it’s less advantageous, instead of playing around in consciouslesness you’re having to publicly support the women and the inevitable progeny. Islamically, it’s all through arranged marriages — once the parties are interested, the corresponding families assess piety, income, genealogy, character — and people don’t get violent about the women. If there’re muslims applying this differently from how I’ve portrayed it, then that gives weight to your argument.
If you’re talking about the psychological effects of masculine sexual repression and sexual censorship, that’s a whole different argument. Remember that one of the evolutionary drives embedded in a male’s nature is to be strategically violent if he sees a threat to survival. All it takes is emphasising that threat and painting it as the only option available to him.
I’ve only seen violence in direct relation to fighting over women in Western contexts: where they’re not hidden away, sexuality isn’t overtly discouraged and they’re not well protected.
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The day Saudi Arabia takes over anything is the day Japan stops making wierd crap.
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That is only the most extreme Islam. In Turkey, Malaysia, traditional Persian society, etc. it is not like that.
I just want Islam to spread to the extent that veiled women with 3 small kids are visible in major US cities every day. Childless, aging white feminazis will see this, put 2 and 2 together, and get genuinely scared by it. Then, they will try to use courts to confront Islam. Islam will retaliate with violence against feminazis. That is what I want.
I think we are not far from that. That is still a long way from America becoming an Islamic state.
Tood, you either need to get out more or else you’re a muslim yourself.
I haven’t read enough of you to work it out, but if it’s the former, then you need to read the quran for yourself, and then read the stories about how the founder of islam conducted himself.
If you want the world he lived in, then knock yourself out – I’m sure there’s a Jamaatull Fuqra school near you.
If your radical muslims take over the world, it won’t be looking like Heathrow with women in niqabs and a gaggle of kids hanging around, it’ll be more like Saudi Arabia with women hiding in houses and not allowed out without a keeper.
Or Afghanistan under the taliban with rocketing suicide rates amongst women.
As for Turkey, google “honor suicides” for something different.
It won’t be easier for western men under islam in America – it’ll be a shitload more difficult. It already is with the double standards of political correctness ruling the roost in some areas. Add the saga of cab drivers refusing to carry passengers who’ve got a bottle of grog on them at the airport over in Minneapolis, or refusing to carry seeing eye dogs.
I’d prefer less of that sort of carry on.
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Having four recognised wives instead of one at any time if you can support them all is certainly not
Bhetti this is the kicker. With social security what it is in western countries, muslim men can have more than one wife.
Marry them under islam, and let the government pay the rest. The women get to be single parents with a payment and he gets to have his four wives. With housing and education and medical benefits it gets even better.
What about the idea of men having concubines, as is also allowed?
That takes more women from the pool.
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Tood, that’s the whole point of being an elite white person, that you never have to deal with people outside your rarefied litthe social world, unless you want to.
Encouraging more Muslims to move in merely gets the SWPL crowd to tighten its perimeters a little closer; they already DO live in some of the most diverse cities the world has ever known, and manage to easily associate only with each other.
Anyway, my bet is on Universalism-cum-feminism beating Islam in the West.
Those demure young hijabi moms will someday be doddering great-grandmothers; will their descendants stick with that old-time religion, or will they be just another bunch of skanks of dubious ethnicity partying their way through grad school?
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But the men in strict islam have a way out there is no escape from christian land whose goal is to make all men slaves on this earth till they die a natural death.
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Lots of the FLDS do something similar, from what I’m told, Nilk. Heh.
Actually, it’s sick, but I sort of admire their form of sucking the beast dry. It’s not like you can have a fair fight with the thing.
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wish I knew how to quote Bhetti. Funny!
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God, Beta #1 looks like my ex-husband, except not as double-chinny.
That’s the sad thing about these girl-faced boys; the minute they gain five pounds, it all goes to their neck. egads.
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I’m not really seeing muslims taking over shit either. They can’t shoot worth a dam. As I am sure you people notice I am still here lol Asians those will be the saviors of the west.
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ok how is omw’s tag the same as mine wtf
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Aw, no way, Greg! The West has got to get off its ass and save itself, if it cares to be saved at all. The Muslims aren’t gonna do it, and the Asians aren’t, either.
Now, the old breed of Korean women from my dad’s generation was awesome and frugal and sensible and humble-but-ambitious.
The ones my age are unbelievable freakin’ label whores. I swear my neighbor’s wife would have turned tricks for the latest Balenciaga bag.
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Gunslinger, it’s not whether they can shoot worth a damn – it’s whether you’re allowed and have the capability to shoot back.
The rules of engagement are somewhat uneven these days.
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we’re mind-melded!
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The gender equality mania in Europe is ultimately the result of one thing: the legacy of Hitler. Europeans are so afraid of the German Nazi past that they will do anything and everything to prove they are not secret racists and are completely dedicated to all equality in all its forms. You can throw in some Marxism there too for good measure. They are also ashamed of the their political and cultural hegemony over the the entire world for the past 500 years through colonization. They hate the US because we are the greatest example of that cultural power they created and have surpassed them in most areas.
I predict that in fifty years, when the Arab and African Muslims are violently taking over what is left of European states, many people of European stalk will be secretly if not openly admiring Hitler and Nazi Germany, right or wrong, as the nostalgic last gasp of a long lost European power and civilization. They wont feel guilty about the Holocaust anymore once they themselves start to become the victims of the now Islamic inspired holocaust against them by the Muslim majority populations. Genocides of different forms are a part of history whether we like it or not. Groups of people have been eliminating, or at least attempting to eliminate, each other since the beginning of time and will continue to do so until the end of time, despite the best efforts of some people to stop that.
And guns…there is no fuck up in watching hot lesbians have sex, especially when I slide in between them to participate.
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OMW. I just cope and paste and then add tags. Took me forever to learn how though, lol.
Agree with you on watching the beast sucked dry.
Problem with that, though is that our children will have to deal with it more than we will, and you more than me, given your age.
We in the west are too soft and settled, which is why there is time for Game and feminism and the crap that comes along with all that.
If we were kept busy scraping out a living in the woods, or down on the farm, there’d be a whole lot less to worry about.
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when it’s their fallback job
I’d consider teaching as a fallback job since it can pay very well here in the NYC metro area, and the vacations make railfanning and roadgeeking easy to do, but I much too shy and nervous to stand in front of a class and teach history to a bunch of teenagers.
Anywhere else, High Taxes simply = lots of graft. Think Chicago.
I’ll take that risk if it gets a fraction the public services that we need. If we have to inflate construction costs by 15-25% to get a rail line built, I’ll accept that as the cost of doing business and getting stuff done.
I just want Islam to spread to the extent that veiled women with 3 small kids are visible in major US cities every day.
Why? Roissy is going to have the hot women locked up, and you’re going to get the 5 and the crappy married people sex. Islam is not the solution. Giving up on a relationship with women is the only way out unless you’re willing to learn game and aim only for short-term relationships.
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“Roissy is going to have the hot women locked up, and you’re going to get the 5 and the crappy married people sex. ”
Nice try, but my Game is pretty advanced, and I am not the self-loathing downer that you are.
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Well, yes, the fallout of civilizational decay will fall mainly to our poor kids, but there ain’t a damn thing can be done about forestalling it.
Ol’ Mencius Moldbug makes what I consider a pretty compelling case for the idea that democracy is inherently prone to decadence and decay. And the fatalistic side of me suspects that this is true for civilizations and cultures in general.
This world will pass away, and another will rise to take its place, and the people will look and say, “This is progress!”
Racer X, whose blog is strangely hilarious, hits on a good point about Europe: its bedrock fear is of creating a new Hitler.
Europe should go into therapy and examine that. LOL.
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We in the west are too soft and settled
I’d argue that is a sign that we have succeeded and built a near-perfect civilization.
With social security what it is in western countries, muslim men can have more than one wife.
Option 1: Implement minimum requirements for recieving welfare, and maximum length terms. In other words, one must work a certain number of years before becoming eligible for welfare, and one must find work and move off welfare within X years.
Option 2: Random checks to ensure that multiple wives aren’t living together.
Nice try, but my Game is pretty advanced
Then shut the fuck up about wishing for an Islamic regime, and go out and have sex with hot women, and enjoy the fruits of the Western society that allows you to do that.
I am not the self-loathing downer that you are.
Self-loathing oreo realist, not downer.
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we’re mind-melded!””””””””
I would not suggest that OMW your head might explode. I have gotten used to the workings of my brain lol
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“”””””on April 4, 2009 at 10:06 pm omw
Aw, no way, Greg! The West has got to get off its ass and save itself, if it cares to be saved at all. The Muslims aren’t gonna do it, and the Asians aren’t, either. “””
Naa the asians will i will show them how🙂
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LOL nilk every war since vietnam the rules have been fucked. But if the iraqis can’t hit the broadside of a barn.
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Bhetti of COURSE having four wives (and uber amounts of concubines, and lots and lots of wives) is the WHOLE POINT of ISLAM.
What the hell else would there be? All the cool stuff they do? Fasting, bowing all the time, pilgramages that cost tons of money, and that stuff?
Please.
You are a woman. You’ll never get it. Any straight man knows what I’m talking about. Mohammed bin Laden, Osama’s father, had 22 wives and 57 kids. He’d get tired of a wife, divorce her by pronouncing it three times, and then pack her off to a subordinate, higher or lower ranking depending on how well she had pleased him. AFTER he had a kid by her. If the kid was a boy, the new husband had the spawn of the Big Man he both hated and feared. This happened to bin Laden at 9.
It’s a psycho factory for men. It breeds violence. Jee, what do men kill over most? Nintendo Wiis? Heck no, WOMEN.
Create a system where the big man takes 22 women out of circulation (a used sex toy is worth nothing) and polygamy is common (most men don’t get this at all) means that for every man with four wives, three don’t have them, and a few big men take MASSIVE amounts of women out of the picture.
Islam will just make non-Muslim and Muslim men fight each other more over the few non-Muslim women left and available to non-Muslim men.
The coming street fights in Europe over women will be something to be seen. It will be very ugly. And no, neither side, the street thugs and Camorra and those types vs. the Muslims, will give women much freedom. Once women are merely a prize to be fought over, that’s all they are.
Tragic. Because it’s so stupidly avoidable.
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Bhetti of COURSE having four wives (and uber amounts of concubines, and lots and lots of wives) is the WHOLE POINT of ISLAM.
Mind you, if a small group of men are colluding the women and only dumping them when they’re saddled with kids, why has the average Islamic male who is single and sexless not revolted against the system that oppresses him, especially since the average Islamic male is poor and has little to lose? Either the religious portion of Islam is attractive, or they’re simply too low in IQ to figure it out.
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Just was reading about the tent city in the us god what a shithole. A shithole because they can’t let those people be free for the love of god. They say the tent city has to close down. Where the fuck are those people supposed to go. There are people that have been there 7 months. As some woman put it in the article “We’re homeless and being evicted” Tammy Fumed “Now I’ve heard everything.” A spokesman for sacramento mayor steven maviglio said, “The samp is not safe. Its not humane”. What there camping out. And you can’t live for free in a free country and they won’t let you die with dignity or live with it. If you ain’t in there system.
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Naa dave there are different brands of muslim and usually yea things do break down to access to woman. Don’t you think the us pres would be kind of pissed at the leader of another country if he knew he was only getting one woman and the guy hes talking to can have as many as he wants.
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Yea dave doesn’t really work like that maybe the real high ups but not the average joe. You can have more than one wife but if you can afford it. Otherwise you get one.
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I voted #1 because he has chosen to be with the skank from now on. He’s in full super – beta mode.
#2 is an omega who is essentially the living dead. He’s given up.
Chuck – is it possible for a woman to look like more of a man-hating feminazi than the brunette broad?
my skin crawls when i see women like her out in public. the stench of the man hate emanating from their pores is overwhelming.
It’s a hatred only for certain men, White heterosexual non-feminist men.
Black men are almost always great or at least above moral critique since all their bad traits are due to White racism.
Gay males are almost always great unless they are self hating gays who vote Republican or who are more concerned with economics and national security than gay marriage.
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Tood
The only reason why Turkey is relatively moderate is because Atatürk took it upon himself to forcibly rid the country of the influence of Islam, and because the military is ensuring that the country remains secular (in accordance with its constitution). The military has been forced to intervene on several occasions. Despite these heavy-handed measures, it seems unlikely that Turkey will remain secular for long.
Malaysia isn’t a paragon of moderation either, and with an Islamic society you never know when it’s going to go from moderate (relatively or otherwise) to extreme. How long until Pakistan is finally overrun by the extreme elements of their society?
What you want is irrelevant. You could want to win the lottery tomorrow but that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. What you’re suggesting is like releasing a bioweapon and then hoping that it’s only going to target people who voted for Bush (and once the country has been purged of human life, you’ll say “gosh, this isn’t what I wanted :(“)
Gunslingergregi
It’s immigrants that threaten Western civilization, not rag-tag terrorist groups in Iraq.
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Tood
The only reason why Turkey is relatively moderate is because Atatürk took it upon himself to forcibly rid the country of the influence of Islam, and because the military is ensuring that the country remains secular (in accordance with its constitution). The military has been forced to intervene on several occasions. Despite these heavy-handed measures, it seems unlikely that Turkey will remain secular for long.
Malaysia isn’t a paragon of moderation either, and with an Islamic society you never know when it’s going to go from moderate (relatively or otherwise) to extreme. How long until Pakistan is finally overrun by the extreme elements of their society?
What you want is irrelevant. You could want to win the lottery tomorrow but that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. What you’re suggesting is like releasing a bioweapon and then hoping that it’s only going to target people who voted for Bush (and once the country has been purged of human life, you’ll say “gosh, this isn’t what I wanted :(“)
Gunslingergregi
It’s immigrants that threaten Western civilization, not rag-tag terrorist groups in Iraq.
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Genocides of different forms are a part of history whether we like it or not. Groups of people have been eliminating, or at least attempting to eliminate, each other since the beginning of time and will continue to do so until the end of time
And it’s not like genocides have endes except in some shithole like Darfur. The largest genocidal enterprise ever taken on is happening right now, right where we live.
What do you think non-white immigration, political correctness, and dysgenic breeding incentives are all about? It’s Population Replacement.
By the way, Tood reminds me of those o m e g a males you read about in Germany who convert to Islam, or misfits like John Walker Lindh. If you want a new patriarchal social order, go indigeneous, not alien. Fundamentalist Chrisitanity or even FLDS is the way to go.
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PA – What do you think non-white immigration, political correctness, and dysgenic breeding incentives are all about? It’s Population Replacement.
The difference is that in other genocides the perps have been ethnically or racially different from the victims.
In the case you are referring to whether in Europe or the US the perps are the same race as the victims while they are using people of other races as the soldiers.
This could be called “auto-genocide”, the willful destruction of one’s own race.
Not to be confused with the other from of auto genocide which is what the UAW and fat cat executives did to the US auto industry.
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This could be called “auto-genocide”, the willful destruction of one’s own race.
Except that the elites have no intention of exterminating themselves. Just people like you and I and our families.
You’re right, the dividing line is more class and ideoliogy-based than ethnic, but it’s a genocide nevertheless. Kind of like Pol Pot’s massacres being Cambodian-on-Cambodian.
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The dirty little secret is that millions of men want to be slaves. Ergo marriage to hard boiled broads.
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It’s immigrants that threaten Western civilization, not rag-tag terrorist groups in Iraq.
Gunslingergregi for president!!!
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Correction.Make that Contrarian for president!!!
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How did this beta thread turn into a history lesson on Islam and its impact on the West today?
Enough of the fools wishing for Islam in the West and thanks Todd for the attempts to school the fools. But if they want to learn that reality, go travel to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and find out the reality or at least read Bernard Lewis’ books on the matter.
Europe has closed its churches and replaced it with Eurotwits who embrace the craddle to grave power of the state over their lives. They don’t have the political will to fight and protect themselves from the radical Islamic poison in their midst let alone deal with the reality of the poison from Iran, Afghanistan and beyond.
Man up indeed.
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omw
You’re an absolute laugh riot sometimes OMW.
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RW
Yes, Europe is absolutely out of it’s mind to not call a screeching halt to mass Islamic immigration. They should begin some mass deportation in fact, for the illegals.
We should do the same for our illegal Hispanics. That’s bad enough, but they pose nothing like the same sort of ideological and terrorist, i.e. overall civilizational threat that Europe faces with it’s mass Muslim influx.
If the West needs to start being a bit “racist” to stop being so suicidal, then so be it. Myself I don’t see the need, but then I don’t think the same way many do.
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dougjnn right you are. We don’t face the same level of threat but tens of millions of illiterate foreigners doesn’t give our nation strength either. Ask those Shamensty fools how it does and they will look at you blankly.
Europe is sadly on a death spiral. Unable to sustain their own replacement population and the muslims happily breeding far faster.
Under socialism you can control people to the point they don’t have families they can no longer afford but you can’t make them stop going down that road. Spain, Italy, Russia all now are declining in population with no end in sight. Their muslim populations are growing and growing more radical in their belief of Islam’s inevitable victory over the West.
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nilk
Good for you.
In addition to a lot of great values, you also have one fine booty.
Now I suppose I need to neg you in some way.
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David Alexander
Consider joining Toastmasters. There is almost certainly a club near you. It is a way to develop confidence and speaking skills in a very supportive atmosphere.
You could give talks about railfanning. You might even meet a nice chick there (of course she may not have acrylic nails, but it would be a start). Remember, standing in front of a group confers alpha status so you might even be able to bag the one with acrylic nails.
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Interesting blog, to say the least. I strongly disagree with, well, just about everything written here, however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am a bit confused on one point, though:
What is so awful about a woman choosing to keep her maiden name or both parts of the couple taking on a hyphenated name?
I am currently in a long-term relationship with definite plans for an eventual marriage. We have discussed the whole name thing already, and have agreed that I will take his last name, simply because I absolutely despise my own last name. If, however, I did not dislike my last name, I would more than likely keep it or have a hyphenated name. While my boyfriend said he would prefer that I take his name, he also said that he would not be upset if I were to keep my own or use a hyphenated combination.
Anyhow, can someone please explain to me what is so damn terrible about a woman choosing to keep their own name or to use a hyphenated version that combines her’s and her husband’s?
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k-
It signals that she’s a committed feminist or even a radical feminist, that is what’s so horrible about it.
It signals that she wants a wife lead marriage or at least not in any way a male lead marriage, that is what’s so horrible about it.
Taking the husband’s last name is a time honored tradition of patriarchy, which is exactly why feminists oppose it.
And why Roissy and the regulars here would all insist on it. It’s the absolute least a woman can do if she wants a man to subject himself to the horrifically one sided institution that Amerian marriage has become.
I trust your fiance has at least insisted on a pre-nup?
Better yet he should endlessly string out the marriage intentions and never go through with it.
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k
Among other things that will tend to help keep you motivated sexually.
It’s wondrous how that tends to work.
And how much marriage tends to work the other way.
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Actually, it was his idea to marry. It is I who initially balked, and later brought up the concept of a pre-nup. Thank you for your concern, though.
You are correct that many feminists who do not take their husband’s last name are doing it for political reasons, however, there are many women, feminist and unfeminist, who decide based on more aesthetic reasons. If my boyfriend’s last name was, “Trickle,” I would have to keep my own name. If I absolutely loved my maiden name, I would keep it or have a hyphenated name. It has nothing to do with the, “patriarchy.” It seems that Valenti’s decision may have been spurred in part by similar reasons, deciding that three names, though a nice tribute, would be too much. Another factor in her choice of name may simply be that she has built a huge professional life around the name, “Valenti.” A complete change might cause confusion.
Whether being a feminist or being in a relationship where leadership goes more to the woman is inherently detrimental, well…That’s a whole different debate.
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K —
That debate, or rather the insight that women are overwhelmingly more attracted to men that take leadership roles in relationships (and int he world as well) and know how to tease and play with them in a subtly dominating manner, is exactly what this site IS ALL ABOUT.
And you see it works. Because its true.
A wife lead marriage is a no sex marriage soon enough, or a she gets sex outside of marriage, marriage, soon enough. Those politics destroy passion.
There are a small number of women, and these days unfortunately a larger number of men, who do enjoy male sexual submissiveness. In the overwhelming number of cases though that woman gets her greatest thrills with occasional, or a regular, extracurricular bad boy(s).
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Taking the husband’s last name is a time honored tradition of patriarchy
Yes, the same patriarchy that inflicts the awful scourge of weak impotent women with low income potential that harass beta males with lies and falsehoods in order to trick them into marriage, while the alphas secure hot women and mistresses?
Fuck your patriarchy.
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DA
Spoken with the full magisterial authority that our resident self hating oreo omega can, as we all know, muster when moved to do so.
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“A wife lead marriage is a no sex marriage soon enough, or a she gets sex outside of marriage, marriage, soon enough.”
False. Entirely false.
Certainly there are more sexless marriages than one would like to see, however, I can assure you that a female-led marriage is not a sexless one.
My parents are in a marriage where my mother clearly, “wears the pants.” I know for a fact that their sex life is excellent, despite being middle aged and in a two decade long marriage.
A married couple that I know, again where the woman is obviously, “in charge,” has more sex than anyone that I have ever met. We are talking an average of three or four times a day, literally seven days a week.
I can assure you, there is no infidelity in either of the aforementioned marriages.
Have you no reply to the concept that perhaps there is more to a woman’s decision to not take her husband’s name than a need to resist the patriarchy or assert her politics?
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K – I’m actually ok with a woman doing the Hillary thing and taking her last name as her middle name and adding mine on the end. Mine should be in there though, for family sake. Everyone should have my name somewhere, and the kids will have my name. I don’t think every woman is a radical feminist just for wanting to keep her name.
do you wear the pants in your relationship?
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Spoken with the full magisterial authority that our resident self hating oreo omega can, as we all know, muster when moved to do so.
Damn straight.
The problem is that I fail to see any real benefits for the average beta male under patriarchy. Under the current system, few women harass me and pretend to be interested in me under the pretense of so-called love. They leave me alone, and they go chase alpha males and have great sex. Under patriarchy, women are forced to harass beta males and pretend that they love them in exchange for financial support. It’s the worst form of prostitution since the sex is awful and pathetic, and she’s stuck with you for the long-term. At least under the current status quo, a beta could learn some game and have decent sex with different women in the short-term.
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K —
Yes my reply is that it’s horseshiite. It’s inherently political and an assertion of feminism to flout so ingrained a convention.
That’s not to say that there cannot be other considerations also. It is to say that it’s impossible to not have as a major consideration the fact that a woman’s not taking her husband’s last name as her own last name post marriage, is an assertion of feminist parity and resistance to any sort of male primacy in marriage.
There are exceptions to everything. My statement in fact, though naturally not the part you quoted, allowed for some rare exceptions. “In the overwhelming majority of cases” implies that there are a few that are different.
Mostly however it’s a feminist myth.
Try googling “wife lead marriage” or femdom etc. You’ll find a whole lot of cuckoldry associated with it.
However, I also have no problem with a woman retaining her last name as a MIDDLE name, particularly when there are professional identity reasons to do so. E.g. she’s a writer and her name has become a sort of trademark.
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K please have your IDIOT with a dick read this blog too so he can maybe be saved from you. Acted all innocent till the truth came out it was almost not completely see through from the beginning. Except that it was from the point were you lied to yourself.
“””””””””””””K
I am currently in a long-term relationship with definite plans for an eventual marriage. We have discussed the whole name thing already, and have agreed that I will take his last name, simply because I absolutely despise my own last name. If, however, I did not dislike my last name, I would more than likely keep it or have a hyphenated name. “”””””””‘
So maybe you wish you would wear the pants eh
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Here’s an explanation of concubines. In summary: you can’t have them any more seeing as how slavery is defunct.
Your four wives being supported by the state theory seems a hybrid of the worst of two worlds. However, I think that actually does happen to some extent in the richer countries, like the Emirates, who’re hugely nationalistic looking after their own but then: the playing field is level.
Racer: don’t you realise why the resort to terror tactics? It’s helplesness and powerlessness. These countries will not move against the West, whom they see as insurmountable. One thing that Iraq and Afghanistan have shown is just how bad it gets for you if you even get the Western eye looking at you, no matter how friendly and liberated they might look on the outside. You’ll need drastic changes and quite big disastrous muck ups (I’ll grant you: maybe a series of ones like ignoring a rising nuclear power in somewhere like Iran, I don’t know…) before this is feasible, to my mind.
whiskey: I seriously don’t observe what you’re talking about. There are more women than men e.g. Iraq: practically no Iraqi men are left. The fact remains that they can only have four at any one time, which leaves plenty enough in circulation. You’re discounting the fact men marry later and don’t want to choose marriage as a path as often (being not quite that hardcore muslim after all). You’re also discounting the fact — in practical terms — that the men are also free to get women who aren’t muslims ** while the women aren’t. I think the problem with our perspectives is that I see the civilised Islam while you’re talking about backwater Islam that I don’t get to observe firsthand and isn’t outlined in official teachings either. If you look at muslims currently living in the West, you won’t see that many polygamous marriages.
(** The teachings say something slightly different but that is universally ignored: teachings say she must be a Christian or Jew and so on but practically it means no overt Hindus or Buddhists)
The religion attracts me and yes it is all that ‘bowing and fasting and pilgrimage’ among a host of other things such as the community and inner peace when practiced. Frankly, it seems like anything that makes a man go ‘Ha, look how right I am and look what fools you are! I will show you the true path!’ attracts him (note this quality in all guys here, including DA who is very much a male, bless, and his beautiful outburts like ‘Fuck the patriarchy’ just shows he’s just repressing his inner nature with self-loathing in terms of being confident and willing to stand up for himself). You’re saying men’s minds and spirituality work drastically differently now, not just their libido?
I’m amazed that I got a ‘you’re a woman and you wouldn’t understand’ in absolute seriousness in my life. While the context for it makes sense, couldn’t you at least phrase it differently or just start off with ‘Any straight man…’?!
DA: Arranged marriages force a woman to think with her head as well as looking for chemistry. The family have to approve too. This leads to a lot of betas getting married and staying married if they have the right credentials. You get men who are impotent staying married, as long as one or two kids are satisfactory produced eventually. Even in the most polygamous societies, what whiskey’s talking about in terms of shortage of women appears to be mythical, possibly for the reasons I’ve outlined. Men who won’t get laid in Western society probably wouldn’t get married in a muslim society and can actually be more likely to hold down a long-term relationship. Not really much difference.
K: It’s the social value. Culturally speaking, it is a sign that she has pledged herself to him as the head of his family, forever and loyally his in all ways. They see it as robbing him of a masculine privilege — nay, a right! Actively working against this is then actively asserting independence, with strong feminist-driven motivations. Women have their identities changed, from singledom to wifedom, selfishness to partnership. It’s about trust to share what’s his, it’s about stroking & encouraging his masculinity and giving him responsibility for both of you. It’s a symbolic act, which has its own beauty and significance. It should please a man for you to say ‘I want your name and I won’t stand for anything else’ because you are giving him a trusting gift that shifts the balance of power and control. The question answered with the names is whether you’re taking a female role, he a masculine one or whether you’re keeping control and independence for yourself. Think this through carefully, because if you want him to take charge or make decisions instead of you having to do most or half of it, then now’s the time to think about how the dynamics are working and whether they’d cope with stress. Can you handle things practically on your own, as well as supporting him, and be happy with this or are you looking for a different balance as a wife?
I’m glad you’ve seen positive wife-lead relationships because what I’ve seen is women trying to do too much as well as taking care of themselves as women, which leads to mental health breakdowns with little support from the blessedly clueless husbands.
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Gunny
heh
I was going to say much the same thing.
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because if you want him to take charge or make decisions instead of you having to do most or half of it, then now’s the time to think about how the dynamics are working and whether they’d cope with stress
An excellent reason as to why patriarchy fails. Why should I have to make decisions for somebody else and deal with the stress? Instead, I can make decisions for myself, and not worry about others, and I get the benefit of keeping my income for myself. And yes, none of that crappy beta male sex…
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how is it not number one??
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Because number 2 didn’t sieze the kids and tell the ex and new husband to fuck off. Oh really you are now in the shitter how bout that you wouldn’t be the first woman to think she was going to somehow do better then didn’t then came back to try to get resources because of kids. Except he caved.
Number 1 ya just want it to happen the marriage that is and hopefully follow up with some paid for private eye with a camera to document real life.
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lol bhetti look around you slavery is defunct. How many times have you heard the words “gap in your resume”
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Two points.
First, genocide. The biggest threat to the Jews is not genocide. It is assimilation. They really are afraid of that. That is the same thing killing off the Europeans. That and effortless prosperity.
The genocide in Rwanda, about million dead out of 7 million, was made good in about 3 and 1/2 years of natural population growth. (About 3-4% per year. Do the numbers. Shocking.)
Second, D.A.’s point about why average to below average Islamic men stick with their system. It is obvious. They couldn’t cope with our open system. At least Islam gives them dignity. When you are the male genetic product of generations of arranged marriages or forced marriage, you will not be alpha material in all likelihood. The female entering into a marriage selects for male attractiveness and robustness (ie manly qualities), her family selects for social connections and wealth. I read in some Central Asian countries they even have the man’s family kidnap his bride for him. Naturally, such a man is a lesser beta or an omega, but he may have 10 kids. Darwin comes to mind.
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“””””””Racer X,
Groups of people have been eliminating, or at least attempting to eliminate, each other since the beginning of time and will continue to do so until the end of time, despite the best efforts of some people to stop that. “””””””””””
Yea what’s wild is that the next group with the right tools will actually be able to accomplish it.
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“”””The launch took place in the early hours of Sunday from the coastal Musudan-ri launch pad in north-eastern North Korea, the South Korean and US governments said.
The multistage rocket flew over Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean, Japanese media reported.””””””
Well I guess us japan has not perfected anti missle capability at the moment. I thought they said they would shoot it down.
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“Keith, I think a more likely outcome is that she’ll go berserk with rage or have a hysterical meltdown.”
If she’s an Andrea Dworkin-style femininist, who’s clearly into the movement for some weird psychological reason, then yeah.
“Actually a smart and especially a well practiced radical feminist (who’s also had the benefit of seeing her sister feminists operate) will go right for a beta righty challenger’s soft underbelly and start ridiculing his lack of success with women.”
No, this is more the province of the Sex-in-the-City-type “feminist.” She’s the type who, at some primitive level, embraces feminism as a tool to just get what she wants in terms of special favors and a tilted playing field. Because she operates at such a primitive level, she’s the most susceptible to Roissy-style game than the other types of feminists. You can’t cheat an honest (wo)man.
But if she’s the type of feminist who seriously tries to lead her life in accordance with ethical abstractions, and has real concern for some very legitimate women’s issues, especially in the third world, then the intellectual righty’s got the goods (if he keeps the tone light).
“As has been pointed out, feminists tend to band with islamists against western men”
It’s been claimed on this site. This claim is horseshit:
http://www.feminist.com/resources/artspeech/inter/fgm.htm
http://feminist.org/global/issue.asp?issue=fgm
http://socialjusticefeminist.blogspot.com/2008/01/fgm-scary-tradition.html
http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2007/11/13/us-board-of-immigration-fgm-not-grounds-for-asylum
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“”””Barack Obama pledged Sunday to lead a quest for a world purged of nuclear weapons, denouncing “fatalism” over proliferation and calling for North Korea to be punished for its rocket launch. “””””””
People don’t get that it does not take nukes to exterminate people any more. No nukes in the world will make it less safe.
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Now I suppose I need to neg you in some way.
LOL Knock yourself out, Doug. I promise I won’t get too upset.
Besides, I’m too old for you anyway and only got around 3-4 more childbearing years left.
And I’m way too opinionated for most men to want to deal with.
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“I’m way too opinionated for most men to want to deal with.”
As long as you learn to adopt my better opinions, we’ll get along great.
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Yes, the same patriarchy that inflicts the awful scourge of weak impotent women with low income potential that harass beta males with lies and falsehoods in order to trick them into marriage, while the alphas secure hot women and mistresses?
Rubbish, DA.
In a proper patriarchy, not this half-baked socialistic matriarchal construct (sorry, couldn’t resist that one) in which we live, women would be more aware of the consequences of their actions. They would also be more aware of their own part in the fallout, due to the social stigmas involved in misbehaviour.
If you look at all those pics in the post above, there’s probably very little shame in all those women letting it all hang out for the camera. To their mind, why should there be? Go onto any online dating site for “adults” and check out the photos people put up to advertise themselves.
The most damning thing of all is that they don’t see what their doing as shameful.
It’s one thing to take naked pics for your boyfriend or husband, but in this day and age, nothing is sacred nor private, so you have to expect they’ll show up online somewhere.
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bugger. forgot the tags.
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Bhetti, slavery is acceptable per the quran, and as far as I’m aware, that injunction has not been lifted.
There was a case in the US recently of Saudi diplomats being found guilty of keeping a domestic slave.
Not a good look.
Regarding keeping multiple wives and allowing the State to pay for that, there have been reports of that happening in the UK – specifically with the recognition given to polygamous marriage and how extra wives also get a payment.
It’s known of anecdotally here in Australia, and in any case, we can reframe it and change the word “welfare” to “booty” and it puts a whole different perspective on it.
I’d prefer not to discuss this stuff here, though. I get enough of it in other fora.
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OHMYGOD *dies laughing* The poor, poor man. What a horrible woman. Shoot, shows you why you need to do it right even if it is a one night stand!
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Nilk
Prissy opinionated is one huge pain in my ass. I hate prissy opinionated women maybe even more that prissy opinionated men, because if they’re pretty it’s harder for me to just entirely ignore them. Harder, but I get around to it anyway.
The kind of opinionated that can say “god you’re an asshole sometimes and just so freaking wrong — I like you”. Now that kind of opinionated I like. Especially if its combined with a sense of humor.
Now which opinionated camp would you put yourself in nilk?
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What’s so bad about slavery? The Bible allows for it, too.
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Bhetti —
That’s hysterical.
After your description of some of the guys you’ve been with, and your resolve of no more of THAT, I would see that girl being you.
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“Actually a smart and especially a well practiced radical feminist (who’s also had the benefit of seeing her sister feminists operate) will go right for a beta righty challenger’s soft underbelly and start ridiculing his lack of success with women.”
Whoa, you’ve had some nasty experiences.
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I know omw most religion is about making good slaves on earth so you get to go to the great afterlife.
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Think my religion will be more children of the corn style he he he
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Islam did not originally abolish slavery, no. It did discourage it, limit the circumstances(non-muslim prisoner of war or being born as a slave), give slaves rights and place great heavenly rewards upon freeing a slave. Current general muslim thought is blatantly anti-slavery but there will be disagreement e.g. the Wahabi Saudi Arabians are an exception against this.
dougjnn: Oh *shudder* God forbid I’d ever let myself be in a situation like that again. I would not even THINK of the window, for one, or even go near sex after only just meeting him. The one guy I was physically with waited eight or more years of me being acquainted with him. When ‘stop’/’I need to go’ wasn’t in his vocabulary and the door wasn’t an option, I may’ve thought of the window instead of blind panic if it was the ground floor.
Now, doug, I just need to disappear off to the ladies’ room for a moment…
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Keith–
No. But I’ve observed some.
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Bhetti —
Iraq != most of the world. Due to high violence, a lot of men are dead or gone.
Look at Western Europe. There are only SO MANY desirable women. Men won’t “share them.”
If a Muslim man has four wives, and they are all Muslim, that means other Muslim men must then TAKE WIVES FROM EUROPEANS.
That’s gonna cause a fight. To the death, basically. Since only ONE GROUP CAN WIN.
Let me repeat (because you are a woman, you don’t get this and in fact most women PREFER polygamy and sharing a bit of a powerful man than all of a beta guy): MEN DON’T SHARE.
Period.
Joseph Smith was killed by the good men of Illinois because he was a threat: a charismatic polygamist with polygamist followers who threatened to take up all the women. So he was killed with as many followers as could be found, and the rest fled. Because he was a direct and mortal threat to all the “beta” guys around.
A common theme among 19th Century novelists and writers, the threat of polygamy taking men’s wives and fiancees as sex slaves popped up in Mark Twain’s, Arthur Conan Doyle’s, and even Bram Stoker’s “Dracula.”
Bottom line: men have and always will KILL over threats to access “free and fair” to women. Polygamy and monogamy cannot exist together, and monogamist men will KILL OR BE KILLED by polygamists. It has always been so.
And women always, ALWAYS are on the side of Polygamists. They’d rather be part of a harem of the Big Man than the exclusive wife of Joe Average.
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Whiskey I think you may miss that there are a lot of guys who go with the social pressure to get married but really don’t want woman lol Therefore in the big man society they are not pressured to get one either. Those ones who want will get those who don’t tend to chill or go gay. Look at dave or pa’s friends lot of guys could care less about woman and would rather do their own thing. I noticed in the club when I was one of the few running game everyone else was there for the community not really the pussy.
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Now that you’re pointing out good examples e.g. Joseph Smith, it seems clearer what you’re worried about and envisioning. Still, thanks to other factors covered already; it seriously will not result in apocalypse.
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Whiskey should write a book.I dont always agree with him,but he has a lot of interesting opinions.
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Yea but he isn’t able to account for perfect war which will stand all that shit on its head.
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And women always, ALWAYS are on the side of Polygamists. They’d rather be part of a harem of the Big Man than the exclusive wife of Joe Average.
nope. Islam recognizes the hipergamy of women, but doesn’t have any way to assure that only alphas get their harems. David Alexander could be the son of the sheik of dubai and have four women allocated to him. Do you think they would be happy??
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Yea they do they could send dave out to die in glory lol
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Whiskey —
I really do not know that this is true. Certainly it would have been laughable to claim it was American women’s preference thirty or more years ago. I still think outside the precincts of this and similar PUA blogs, which after all are touting the supremacy of the alpha guy (and usually especially the guy that gets to alpha without much wider social status or money), most would find it laughable.
Though soft polygamy does tend to be women’s dating/hook up behavior when young in this time of little female anxiety about winning a man to provide for her — or at least many women don’t have that anxiety and those that do have a clearer field and shifted playing field compared to previously. There is also a fair bit of female male harem keeping too in the dating field though. Tupac’s latest comment touches on that. That tends to be done by highly attractive high numbers girls though, who Roissy tends to dismiss as sluts. Go google Suicide Blond and find her older and current blog for a very attractive and also very witty / funny example of such. She commented here some for a while a year ago or so.
But I don’t at all know that polygamy is most women’s setting down preference these days. Or I do and it’s not.
Full up say three women living with one high status high income man who’s also something of a stud, a la HBO’s Big Love, would be and is still today seen as far too humiliating to feminist culture influenced modern secular American women. But the hot wife cheating or rather playing with impunity with the acceptance of her contributing, wife lead husband, who takes care of the kids for her while she does etc., now that’s what feminism is talking about!! That’s the feminist femdom or femdom light, wife lead marriage, ultimate. Oh and of course he has to remain completely devoted and faithful. After all security and faithfullness (and maybe income and respectable status) are his main pluses. His sex appeal is not. The crippling nature of American divorce law for men with children will help her greatly in this of course. Under those sorts of obligations what sort of replacement wife will the provider beta be able to attract?
Look at beta #1 and his finance again. (Really it’s look at her and her fiance.) See what I’m talking about?
That’s the polygamy you should worry about Whiskey. That’s what needs prophylactic shaming, from your everyman or average man and strongly monogamy supporting social point of view.
My own perspective is ambivalent. Mostly I’m against as a social matter, but it would (and currently in small numbers does) create a whole other field for alphas, including or especially older alphas.
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Polygamy as a social institution enforces cultural stasis and conservatism. If you don’t please your elders enough, no pussy for you. If you please your elders enough, lots of pussy for you. It’s a contest in ass-kissing.
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I hate feminists.
Bhetti,
Thanks for the insights but I am not talking about one nation conquering another. Due to the demographic changes in Western Europe, or perhaps all of Europe (except maybe Poland) from Ireland to Russia, the Muslims, as a result of mass immigration and mass reproduction and the lack of reproduction of native European stock, will in a very short time outnumber the old, long standing native populations. When that happens, or even before that happens, when they start to sense their numerical strength, you can expect to see a rise in violence and overall agitation up to lots of sweet terrorism from the religion of peace for a society reflected more on Islamic than traditional Greco/Roman and Christian values. Once they achieve numerical superiority I expect to see an overall political and social bloodbath that has not been seen since the WWII. Since the native Europeans will be a distinct minority by then, expect them to lose, either converting to Islam or being killed off by their Muslim overlords.
The only good thing about all this is that it will be the end of liberalism and feminism and all the other nutty left wing ideological viruses that have been plaguing the West since the French revolution.
I look forward, if I am still around, to watching all the hag feminists be forced to serve the male Muslim patriarchy. But then again, somehow I think they will actually enjoy doing that. Feminists thrive in the West right now because the men here are such pussies. As we all know from our Lord and Master Roissy, male wimpyness only earns the undying contempt of all women, including the ball busting, masculine feminists. I think most of them secretly long for tough male control, to be told to shut up and do something useful or else be stoned.
Of course once the Muslims take over Europe none of the women will ever have a vibrator induced orgasm again because 1) all vibrators will be banned on the pain of death and 2) all women will have their clitorises cut off.
Ahh, yes, diversity and multiculturalism are such wonderful things! Bless those lovely third world peoples with their lovely, quaint, innocent third world customs such as genital mutilation. Please, lets take more and more and more immigrants into our society and tell them it is ok to keep all their barbaric and backwards practices because we need to prove we really are not white racists like those bad Southern confederates and segregationist and that big bad bogeyman himself, Herr Hitler. We are kind and compassionate and open and loving white people living in our secluded communities and sending our kids to private schools away from all the unwashed masses we want to mow our lawns!
And after the Muslim conquest of Europe, for the few remaining (hot)women with their clitorises left, just come and visit Racer X for a real good time. I will take care of that little pleasure spot for you.
One more thing: being part of Western Civilization, at least as far as I am concerned, does not mean you have to be white. You can be of any racial background and belong. It is about ideas and ideals, it is about believing in individual liberty, both political and otherwise. Not that we are really that free, we really are not, but we are better off than any other society. I see the spread of Islam in the West as mortal threat to our way of life. It is time we recognize this before it is too late.
I hate feminists.
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Naa Racer muslims will be good for you now add a spoon full of sugar and take your medicine lol
“””Racer x
we are better off than any other society””””
Not with putting men in prison for not paying bills because they can’t that shit is from the worse parts of the bible.
Not with current divorce laws. I suggest you do some travelling in the third world and see what freedom looks like.
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P.S. the 1st world is rich because they are not free there is the irony.
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Racer starter pack (not one I use but just given to my by a brother as guidance due to my weak-faithed/sinful ways):
interaction: http://www.sunniforum.com
learning & understanding: http://www.central-mosque.com
Q & A: http://www.ask-imam.com
Racer shall read, then go ‘no, actually, hmm… need to speak personally to a Saudi/Iranian/Afghanian/Somali so I can get their version’.
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lol look at bhetti recruit lol
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allright bhetti you can be my 3rd woman.
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I’m going with #1 for the ball-less SWPL factor. #2 seems to be in a marginal demographic anyway. He’s probably a fat load who was overbought even with the warpig.
Shit, I just read this again. Really, both vestigially-male candidates need to be put down before they inflict further harm on society.
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dougjnn:
“Since you’re on the frontlines of NYC’s twenty somethings, while I’ve retired from that field some time ago, let me ask you your take on sluttiness of NYC night scene women. By that I mean are sometimes found in that scene, not are there most nights of the week necessarily.
If I recall correctly Rossy said about half of DC women were sluts by 29, which he defined as having had more than 10 different guys. (I thought that was an awfully low slut threshold, based on my own older experiences in fast places on both coasts.) I believe he said he thought about 20% of girls were super sluts by 29, which he defined as 30 or more guys. (I’d probably say 30 by 29 is clear slut territory while super sluts are at least twice that, but more importantly have a whole lot of first night and three or four guys in the rotation banging, while still prospecting for fun and a higher alpha, and so on.)
Also I’m talking true numbers that you only get from sluts by convincingly being an enthusiastic slut lover (pretending to be for everything when it’s really only for non LTRs) and talking about high numbers yourself, not the first offered lie.
So what’s your au current take on NYC sluttiness?”
Sorry to take so long to respond. I have been pondering this today and decided I’m really not qualified to answer. I know a serially single girl in her late twenties with a single hand worth of partners and another girl who at 25 is pushing for her second 100 cock party. I think the rampant whoring is really amplified with the 6’s and below, who subconsciously don’t feel like they can lock up a desirable LTR anyway. The anonymity of a city is a great veil to hide their whoring. I try not to dabble in this demographic, but many of the girls from my old office fit this mold perfectly.
One of my friends growing up is now a conventionally sweet girl, probably a 7, intelligent with a great career. She has wanted to settle down and get married for years now, but remains unwilling to settle for a less-than-perfect catch (our ‘alphas’ here). Not a slut by design, she has now run through a steady succession of would-be “great guys” that justifiably refuse to commit when they can trade up or branch out. Despite her noble intentions, she has become a “big whore.” Sadly, she will never share her true number with me, but from my perspective she is a shoe-in for 30 by 30.
The 9’s are a different animal and can write their own rules. My sample size is too small to give you anything that is not purely anecdotal. The perception that they hold out a bit more and keep their count to a smaller pool of alphas may simply be a very pretty lie. In general, I think that your numbers are a better gauge these days than Roissy’s conservative measures, but his percentages would still align well with my own observations.
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And women always, ALWAYS are on the side of Polygamists. They’d rather be part of a harem of the Big Man than the exclusive wife of Joe Average.
Heh. Not all women, whiskey. These days many will share because they don’t understand the concept of exclusivity properly.
They think that commitment and monogamy is for now and not forever also. There is a remarkable shortsightedness in women today – especially the younger set. And by younger, I’m talking late teens and early 20s.
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Re women and polygamy, the problem is that as women get a bit older and wiser (between the ages of 15-27 I find they’re a tad brainless; I know I was), they also get a bit more more of an idea of what they actually want.
Sharing ultimately is not it. The jealousy, the competition, the insecurity are unhealthy and make for unhappy women.
If you’ve got several women in the household who are only pretending to have on a happy face and their cycles synch up, the make sure you’ve got shitloads of chocolate on hand.
Polygamy is ultimately dysfunctional and damaging for men and women. Women don’t get any exclusivity in the relationship, and the men who go without, well, they make a mighty fine army.
Full of testosterone, angst and frustrated libidos.
Promise them free women and you’re on.
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But, gunny, you’re already being a bad muslim, it’s been more than 4 months (see 0:44). That documentary’s worth watching as evidence of how much disagreement there is among muslims, and to see how much unIslamic ideas or cultural fashions can affect it (for some reason the youtube videos are divided into 1 of 6, 3 of 6, 6 of 6 even though they seem continuous from what I remember in another video. Odd.). You can see how it theoretically can be supportive of feminists in some ways.
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Another thing about plygamy women woudl no doubt be attracted to: being bullied by the oldest wife who most likely enjoys the husband’s support and respect over the younger girls.
It woudl be like living with a vicious mother-in-law / female boss all in one… and having to share your husband’s affection and resources for the kids with.
As I said many times before, Whiskey is usually very perceptive but he has a habit of focusing on one aspect of something and ignoring alternate/competing factors.
To unkindly caricature his argument, he sees Polygamy as a cluster of giggling cheerleaders adoringly flocking to the top jock. But he does not see these women ageing — and being of different ages — as well as their rivalry and sovereignty of the stronger wives over the weaker ones.
Plus their competition and jealousy with regards to the kids.
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There’s a third beta in the second story – what guy would ever move in with his wife’s ex-husband? “I can’t provide for our family, so let’s mooch off your ex, who can provide for all of us.”
I voted for the second story, but I’m not sure which of those two guys is really the bigger beta in the household.
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Not a muslim yet bhetti he he he talking about my third woman not my third wife.
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Progressive Feministed Guy is the bigger beta for the following reasons:
–Normal rules of alpha/betadom do not apply to horribly unattractive people. It’s like my FOB Indian friends can say offensive things that don’t offend, because I know there’s a language barrier there.
–Progressive Guy is intentionally getting into a bad situation, while (arguably) the cuckold is trying to salvage a lousy situation (trying to see his kids, while protecting them from getting raped by the stepfather…as often happens).
–Cuckold Guy is more of a victim (self made), but Progerssive Guy is actively providing aid and comfort to the enemy…when they see crap like this going down, potentially good girls get bad ideas.
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Judging by the 300 or so posts of rabidly misogynist comments after a ridiculously polemic blog entry I can only guess that a lot of you are actually scared by strong women and believe that they were somehow put on this earth to come after your beloved man-parts and not, as is actually the case, live alongside you with the dignity and respect that they deserve. If you cannot handle the fact that the tide has turned on the grossly unfair treatment of women within their own societies, you must really take a long look at your own inner ethics.
I for one am glad to know many men who are strong in their sexuality and ALSO proud to support their girlfriends, wives, sisters and mothers in their struggle for self-determination and equality!
And I am glad to be one of those women that you are seemingly petrified off because they think for themselves.
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Mia
Yawn.
That was cute.
Now get me a beer, I am thirsty.
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BTW:
We are not “petrified” we are just not interested.
“Think for themselves” – I think you mean, think like all the other chicks at the womyns study group
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Mia,
Just read your comments, and I would like the chance to hopefully open a dialogue with you. I speak only for myself, the other gentlemen in the forum are more than capable of speaking for themselves, Roissy included.
While there is a what could be considered misogynistic presence in the PUA community, I would also like to note that many voices in it do not hold Women in contempt, present company included. Indeed, on several occasions, I have gone on record as saying that Game has given me a much stronger and profound appreciation for Women.
That said, I do see some of the problems that present themselves on the public policy side of things, and agree w/one of the newer voices to this forum, Novaseeker, that our supposedly private actions in the love and romance/sexual areas can and often do, have profound public policy implications. To ignore or otherwise attempt to downplay this fact is to flirt w/disaster, and I mean no tilt at hyperbole here. Real lives can be impacted, in some cases, severely.
While there are some here who question Women winning the right to vote and so on, I think it fair to say that most of us have no serious problem with Women voting or seeking public office; or going as far as their talents will take them in the academic and work spheres, and so on-I for one certainly don’t.
Rather, the problem for many here and elsewhere, indeed for me personally, is how what started out as the legitimate concerns of suffragettes became the ideological battleground of Second Wave and now so-called Third Wave Feminists-who seek not only a fair shot at the table, but to turn it over. The key areas of concern on the part of many in this venue, fall along the lines of Divorce and Child Support law, as well as the truly unfair ways that Paternity Testing issues have been handled, and here we can include the Matthew Dubay case. These are legitimate areas of concern, and when they are shouted down or otherwise mocked by your side as it were, it creates more enmity on the part of the voices you hear here and elsewhere. It doesn’t solve problems, it only exacerbates them.
To be sure, there are Men who are true blue Misogynists-people who hate Women and all they stand for, politics aside-and they are both a pity to behold and a real concern to confront.
But the problem there is that, sad to say, the very word “misogyny” has lost meaning through its gross abuse, by folks on your side of the aisle. This greatly complicates things and makes clear discussion impossible.
Again, I’m hopeful we can have an impassioned, yet respectful and civil discussion here. While I like to play the Game, I try to do it fairly.
The Obsidian
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[…] situation. You have the option to play beta white knight to the hilt (see: Keith, Cliff Arroyo, DA, Jessica Valenti’s husband, any random urban liberal SWPL off the street) and say you have read Roissy as well and TOTALLY […]
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[…] Grund warum ich „Yes means Yes“ für nicht praktisch halte. Ich bin gespannt, ob die Vorhersage von Roissy über die Ehe von Jessica Valenti zutreffen wird. Eine schöne Besprechung des Interviews und Ansichten dazu, eine Feministin zu […]
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[…] So now that we know that women start with a higher basal self-esteem than men, wouldn’t it make more sense for a healthy, functioning society to turn its cultural apparatus toward the project of boosting men’s self-esteem? In fact, this is what quasi-patriarchal Western societies used to do, before they were infected with the late decadent, postmodern deconstructivism and victimology virii. Now the optimal pattern has been completely turned on its head — intrinsically high self-esteem women are administered supercharged booster injections of ego-stroking, while intrinsically low self-esteem men are, either deliberately or coincidentally, pushed further into ego-deflating self-abnegation. See: March 2009 BOTM. […]
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Can I be the first to admit I would give quite a lot to grudge-fuck Valenti. She’s crying out to be ballgagged, trussed and put to the mighty Frothomir. Again and again and again. Then booted out on the street with but a tattered rag to cover her shame.
Consensually, of course.
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This is a tough call. It should be a tie.
Without fail, manginas fail to see how simple and easy things would be if they just called these manhaters out and stuck to his principles.
Backtalk, withholding, entitlement etc etc are no-nos. Yet somehow the herbs go along with it. No one to blame but themselves, however, as they made the choice (or defaulted to the little brain).
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“Just when you think you’ve heard it all, some guy steps up to the plate and knocks his testicles out of the park.”
For fuck sake roissy i nearly spat my tea all over my laptop.
funny man.
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