Take a look at this photo.
Is the person on the right a man or a woman? Neither. It’s a herb. Particularly, a subspecies of herb known as the hipster herb.
All the telltale indicators are here in one self-contained lump of flesh. The demasculinizing flip flops. The ungainly, loping walk that suggests the presence of a load in the pants. The baby soft skin from years of avoiding manual labor, sun and harsh soaps like Ivory. The slumped shoulders of meekness from carrying the ultimate calling card of the herb — the man satchel. I had to walk in front of them to verify the herb was male.
This herb is of the hipster variety. Notice the mop top hair, retro shirt sleeves, strangely androgynous countenance, and cute girl in his company. We can’t be sure the herb is banging this girl. Most likely, she’s a shopping and irony-laden cultural critic companion into whom the herb secretly yearns to dribble his tepid seed.
Why does the herb inspire my contempt? I’ve thought about this and I have an answer. The herb is nothing less than a physical emblem of the decline of America and a rejection of everything that made it great. As our SWPL women are getting more masculine and bitchier, our SWPL men are becoming human bean bags of suppleness. Sit on them and they’ll conform to whatever shape your ass is, because the herb most of all is a man who loathes the fiercer spirits of manhood. That’s why you’ll see them wearing frontal papooses and walking cats on leashes.
The hipster herb, the suburban family man herb, the art fag herb, the gender role smashing herb, the “I went to a formerly all-woman liberal arts college and I’m proud of it” herb — all 21st century versions of the new American Gollum. Pitiable creatures.
Oddly enough, a nontrivial number of herbs manage to score cute girlfriends. Scientists are baffled. Maybe they have an agreement — she gets to fuck around and he gets to continue treating her like a princess.
z and i saw a man in her cracked out neighborhood wearing a balaclava and a papoose. INSIDE the papoose was a family-sized bag of bbq chips. he was whispering to it. is crackhead-herb also possible?
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thought we might appreciate this:
http://rightwingvideo.com/?p=1231.
it doesn’t totally agree with Roissy’s worldview, but it hits some high notes.
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Don’t be too hard on him as he may yet grow out of it. The two of them appear from the back to be about fifteen years old.
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I don’t see Herbs very often in Philly. I wish I knew where they hung out- the girls they’re “affiliated” with would be easy pickings.
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Aenigma:
Herbs a plenty in Philly at any Whole Foods, the Trader Joe’s over by Market Street, Fitler Square (the 45 year old herb and his equally aged wife playing with their 2 year old), and Schukyll river dog park to name a few.
You can also find them in the bike shops, paying thousands of dollars for a refurbished bike from 1972 that my sister would’ve been embarassed to ride.
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lurker, that video makes me cringe every time I see it.
What’s missing are her 4-5 affairs (and maybe one of his), and the death of their sex life after the first child birth.
Scary thing is – that is still the most positive scenario. For more than half of the time, she will rape his ass in divorce court and take off with the kids and another dude while he gets to pay.
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I’m fairly certain this guy gets more action in a week than Roissy lies about getting in the same amount of time. Always evolve and adjust, and know that Roissy is little more than a snake-oil salesman.
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it’s hard to read body language from behind, but i don’t think those two people have any kind of physical thing going on.
she’s clutching her bag and holding it as a buffer between him and her.
also, his “retro shirt sleeves” appear to just be a simple polo-type shirt, at least in the picture.
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> Scientists are baffled.
Indeed. I hope all of you stay that way, for your own good.
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I noticed a very junior-herb hairstyle that is very popular with preppier teenage boys today: the windblown-from-behind look that makes them look perpetually sleepy.
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Guys with slight bodies like that herb in the photo above need to be careful about mop-top hairstyles because that makes them look even smaller.
There are ways around it, like the 80s style metalhead long hair, but when in doubt, keep the hair short.
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flip flops are the footwear of choice for herbs….which is why i only wear steel-toe boots
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Indiana Jones had a satchel.
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Ah- that’s funny. I’m gonna check out those places just to see some herbs up close… know any Herb bars jonnymarks?
At any rate I would have thought that the mascline culture from all the blacks, Italians, Russians, and Poles, in Philly, would have had an effect on the culture of the city- but I guess that’s only in certain locals- herb circles must isolate themselves to protect their egos from derision and scornful laughter.
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“The baby soft skin from years of avoiding manual labor”
I’m not hatin’, just genuinely curious.
How much manual labor have you done Roissy?
I don’t know any hard working man who writes a blog.
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You’re showing your age a bit on this post. Either that, or demonstrating how culturally out of whack DC is, because this kid is FAR from anything that would qualify as a hipster in nyc. Obviously, I’m sure that you could care less about being able to distinguish the finer points of hipsterdom, but you’re so crazily far off in this post I thought it was worth a comment. I mean, no “hipster” would be caught wearing literally any article of this guy’s clothing. Hipsters don’t wear cheap, striped polos that were obviously purchased recently as some conglomerate mall shop (and in any case, striped polo isn’t considered a retro look). They also wouldn’t wear load-in-the-pants shorts–if they have to wear shorts (which they don’t really like doing) hipsters typically wear tight, beat up jean cut offs. And a hipster would never, ever be caught wearing flip-flops. Even the satchel is pretty suspect by hipster standards. This guy just looks like a run-of-the-mill, no fashion sense shmoe. Probably still wears whatever his mom buys him, that sort of thing.
this is more what a hipster looks like
hipster shorts — http://picasaweb.google.com/brooklynkickball/TourneyPics#5196334348851083890
There’s actually elements of “hipster culture” that aren’t even really that bad, and you’ll run into more alphas than you might think (in new york, anyway). Vice Magazine, considered by many to be the closest thing to a hipster bible, is pretty thoroughly anti-SWPL, and takes views on gender politics in particular that are often pretty in line with a lot of stuff said in this blog. But anyway, I’m no hipster apologist–just thought this more accurate info on hipsters will prevent you from seeming less culturally out of touch when you’re gaming younger chicks.
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Note from the appearance of his arms and legs that the herb has almost no muscle development. The girl’s arms are bigger than his.
I’ll agree with a prior comment – it’s unlikely that he’s banging the girl.
Peter
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You are, however, entirely correct that this guy is a massive herb.
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Would someone comment on the sexual appeal of androgyny to women. Talk to any chick obsessed with super skinny (and non muscular) guys and you will see that this needs to be the subject of a treatise.
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if satchels are beta, then how are we supposed to carry laptops around? do alphas not use laptops?
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Camille Paglia wrote at length about the sexual persona of the androgyneous male. Of course she didn’t mean a sexless herb, but more the aristocratic/rockstar type.
She describes them as otherworldly, haughty, elitist, with proclivities toward cruelty.
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if satchels are beta, then how are we supposed to carry laptops around? do alphas not use laptops?
A laptop bag is not the same thing as the type of satchel this herb is carrying.
Peter
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That video…oof. And while the average woman probably does go through with such a thing mechanistically, ambivalently, and void of genuine attraction, we can only imagine the inner dialogue in the head of the average guy: “Oh my god! I’ve found The One! She is my everything! We connect on such a deep level! The sex is so hot!”
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wintergreen
It’s the disheveled floppy nature of that thing that screams herb. It would also offer a laptop no protection whatsoever; instead it would just shift and squirm around in there.
Everything that guy is wearing screams “non aggression, harmless”.
That’s not what an alpha wants to project. He doesn’t necessarily have to look like he’s just itching to fight someone, anyone, right now, either. But he needs to look like he could and would if it was called for.
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But he needs to look like he could and would if it was called for.
Exactly. And the flip flops are as anti-masculine a thing to wear as can be. Can’t fight in them, can’t run in them.
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Frank: It ain’t that mysterious. Androgynous beanpole types are often creative, artistic, intellectual, passionate, fashionable, and as PA said, “otherworldly, haughty, elitist, with proclivities toward cruelty.” All alpha qualities. Also, these types often conduct themselves with strong body language and radiate with self-confidence–except usually with a dash of aura and mystique thrown in there which more “traditional alphas” can’t always pull off. Back when Roissy made all those posts about Chris Brown, I believe the conclusion was made that “hitting is really alpha, but it’s even MORE alpha to be forever psychologically dominant and aloof.” In the same way, the androgynous types can ascend to this even higher level of alpha than a traditional man’s man. They are perhaps the true “sneaky fuckers” in the human sexual market.
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For comparison’s sake, this is a typical laptop bag. Nothing at all like the herb’s satchel.
Peter
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Mandals are never manly, except in ancient rome.
Course there they used to crucify animals (yes animals) on the side of the road for fun.
I don’t think the dickless wonders in man-foot-thongs here would find that culturally sensitive enough for their PETA-informed sensibilities.
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guys, I hate to be a linkmeister today, but look at this:
http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articlecosmo.aspx?cp-documentid=18918422>1=32023
this is why relationships and marriage are bunk.
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Frank:
Also read the “Heartbreakers Revisited (Men)” page in AliasClio’s wordpress blog. The Byronic character is a category that includes the decadent-aristocrat androgyneous alpha male.
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The “sneaky fucker” would probably be more “Artful Dodger” than “Byronic Alpha” in Clio’s categories.
The Byronic alphas are too godlike to sneak around with anything.
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PA
Re: C. Paglia and the cruelty of herbs.
A great example of this was on display in the 2006 Duke Univ rape-hoax case. A lot of beta/omega guys at Duke really piled on the players screaming that they must be guilty and deserved extreme punishment etc. even as counter-evidence mounted ever higher. Under the circumstances, considering the danger the players were in, that was a viciously cruel thing to do.
The Lacrosse guys do indeed seem to have been true alphas. Much of the vitriol thrown at them seemed to be motivated by simple jealousy – vitriol thrown when their lives were in danger from a criminal scum of a local DA.
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Last night, a couple of giant Russians were putting up some numbers in my gym. An unconventional workout: they got their squats up to five plates, then deadlifts up to five plates, then hack squats with three plates. By the end of the evening, they were cooling down with light benching (one plate) and then pull-ups and shrugs. With my 20 minutes of warmup and cooldown on the bike, I was in there about two hours – they were lifting when I got in and going strong when I left.
Shake in hand, I went over and told them they did some good work, and to have a good night. Shook hands without smiling. Game recognize game.
There were 30 men in my gym last night and one middle-aged female, who was there with her trainer. Every single one of these people have more merit than 500 hipster scumfucks. Hipsters did not ruin democracy; they are a product of a ruined democracy.
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Why does the herb inspire my contempt? I’ve thought about this and I have an answer. The herb is nothing less than a physical emblem of the decline of America and a rejection of everything that made it great
The young, educated SWPL guy who buys a house and raises a family with an attractive wife in his intentionally all white SWPL neighborhood is functionally paleoconservative. His behaviors are promoting Capitalism, white racialism, and family orientation.
Meanwhile the childless player who goes out, does drugs and parties with his multiracial urban tribe, and degrades the monogamous instincts of numerous young women is functionally a leftist. His behaviors are promoting socialism, multiculturalism, and single motherhood.
Behavior is a better marker of ideology than what people profess. Behavior is also a better marker of the state of civilization.
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look at how free and liberated these men are!!
http://www.babybjorn.com/Start
big T wanted me to tell you that you would have loved pedestrian sundays in our herb nabe of kensington,
where i counted no fewer than four men with brightly coloured baby slings walking languidly in the road, full of organic goodness, their hair wild, their wives large
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This weeks sign that the apocalypse is coming.
How did this guy ever make it through Grade school?
He wouldn’t have survived at mine.
– MPM
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He wouldn’t have survived at mine.
At first glance I thought you wrote “he wouldn’t have survived me.”
That would have been even more cool.
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It must be admitted though that there is the “lover not a fighter”, artist or rockstar version of alpha though, who can lack any toughness vibe.
That is what lots of hipster types are, or I think it’s fair to say that fashion sense generally is, trying to ape.
It works with some women especially where there’s some degree of recognition for his actual arty endeavors. The idea is that the guy in question can and does deeply feel, and will deeply feel her, etc. But its fame or at least recognition within a social circle she cares about, or her belief that that is about to happen real soon now, that’s the big fuel for genuine hotties, when this type can get them.
Hanger on follower “hipsters”, and even worse style less herbs, do not score alpha success.
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sissified he-bitches are what made
Rome fall.
wtf is swpl
i know wtf ‘wtf’ is, but there’s not a link to swpl and as a manly man
I want in
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And the flip flops are as anti-masculine…
Bullshit. Unless you consider that there are no alphas in the tropics. It is easy to fight and run with flip-flops. Just throw them away.
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“I think it’s fair to say that fashion sense generally is, trying to ape.”
a bathing ape = still cool
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Roissy,
Heres a treat about a middle age princess reaching reality:
http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/a-middle-aged-princess-grows-up/
I felt like you’ll like it.
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Minus the satchel, that was my pre-community summer look down to a T.
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swpl=stuff white people like. Here, any person who would be best described by that website. Yuppie liberals/Hipsters.
The tropics? Those mandals aren’t useful for propping up the 3rd world.
Mandals went out when Rome fell.
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Firepower
No one can accuse you of being on the leading edge of pop culture. Not that that’s so important, necess.
It stands for Stuff White People Like, a very funny website. Roissy links it under sties of interest, top right.
What it really means is “Stuff Whiter People Like”, i.e. stuff that status and fashion obsessed uber PC preppy elites, and those who ape them trying to get in, consider to be emblems of their taste.
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Yes, and as an additional note. SWPLers males degrade their gender, race, and manliness and raise others up as superior to them. Betas.
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The slumped shoulders of meekness from carrying the ultimate calling card of the herb — the man satchel.
David has a Manhattan Portage messenger bag to carry his books and laptop and his photography equipment. David found out about the bags from his Asian and white friends who were art students, and David loves the bags since you can easily cram stuff into it, and it’s less obvious which is great for railfanning in “questionable” areas.
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Skinny guys have high basal metabolic rates, hence more free-floating energy. If they have any ambition at all, this makes them natural performers. The attention they get from this boosts their social proof — more reliable when it comes from a group of captivated strangers than from the guy’s friends, who could be lying. Being the center of attention also enhances their level of confidence and cockiness.
Plus expending all that energy and not getting tired is an honest signal of health and vigor. Sluggishness is repulsive.
If they aren’t ambitious, though, they’ll end up like that twink in the pic. Same is true for gym rats, of course — lots of them are too moody from all the junk they shoot, and would rather moan about bitches than show them a good time.
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Yo man, don’t knock the flops… granted, things are different in my world as I live in a beach community. they’re considered standard equipment around here.
but yeah, could that fuck been any whiter or skinnier? i bet that guy isn’t even remotely capable of fucking a bitch silly.
pity…
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If my man-satchel contains a .45 and some extra magazines, does that de-herbify me ?
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“Shake in hand, I went over and told them they did some good work, and to have a good night. Shook hands without smiling. Game recognize game.”
I dunno. Sounds like someone opening a set…
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Schoolboy’s article is worth a quick read.
It’s remarkable that she went from so little self awareness to what she expresses in the article.
Though she still feels essentially no guilt for what she put her very good husband and kids through. Regret that she’d wasted and ruined so much, but no guilt. Only the sense of her own loss.
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Yo man, don’t knock the flops
Dude, but how do, umm, live up to your name, if you’re wearing flip flops?
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@ dougjnn – Yea I just read that too. It should be required reading for every women’s studies major. Sort of like signing a waiver before bungee jumping.
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Indiana Jones had a satchel.
he also had a whip.
pass.
I’m not hatin’, just genuinely curious.
How much manual labor have you done Roissy?
back in the days of my stripling youth, a lot.
now? you can catch me poolside.
the scion of a hot mom:
The young, educated SWPL guy who buys a house and raises a family with an attractive wife in his intentionally all white SWPL neighborhood is functionally paleoconservative. His behaviors are promoting Capitalism, white racialism, and family orientation.
Meanwhile the childless player who goes out, does drugs and parties with his multiracial urban tribe, and degrades the monogamous instincts of numerous young women is functionally a leftist. His behaviors are promoting socialism, multiculturalism, and single motherhood.
how far can the example of the SWPL’s behavior take the country when they vote contrary to their lifestyle?
Behavior is a better marker of ideology than what people profess. Behavior is also a better marker of the state of civilization.
i plead guilty on all counts. the difference between me and my fellow hedonists is that i don’t attempt to rationalize the road down which my self-interested hedonism widely adopted will lead the country.
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I don’t think herbs and rockstars overlap at all, at least musically. Herbs are more in favor of mopey indie music, plaintive singer-songwriters, etc. That’s not to say that listening to good rock music is sufficient to cure all the herb’s ills, but it sure is necessary.
It’s very hard for a sensitive songwriter type to get girls. For every one who does, there are 100 high-energy rockers who do.
Not an herb:
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Mandals are for taking a shower in the shitty freshman dorms. That’s it.
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So what kind of pant fit do we recommend? I’m guessing loose fit isn’t roissy’s pant size of choice.
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“I dunno. Sounds like someone opening a set…”
There’s a school of thought that you should open every set everywhere. Lowers trepidation opening the class females and creates a foundation of social proof, which reveals itself eventually.
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“Yo man, don’t knock the flops… granted, things are different in my world as I live in a beach community”
Agreed.
Try to tell the boys on the North Shore that flip-flops are beta.
Or try it with the crew from Maroubra Beach.
Or most any beach town for that matter.
I was born a city kid, but I have spent more than half my life on the beach. (city/beaches actually)
Different rule set.
– MPM
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I don’t think herbs and rockstars overlap at all
Absolutely not. Herbs are very masculine personae, albeit sexless. Rockstars are androgenous personae, but full of sexual charge.
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Thanks to PA and others for commenting on the androgyny issue.
Also, Roissy isn’t suggesting that this herb is a hipster without qualification, rather he is saying that within the species of herb there are some who have more hipster tendencies than others and that this is that sort of herb. Such hipster herbs wouldn’t count as hipsters within hipster circles. We only group them as hipsters relative to other herbs. They are hipster herbs, but they don’t count as hipsters without that qualification.
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JM’s right. dude’s not even remotely close to dressing like a hipster. i suppose he could quality for emo nancy boy, but a hipster he is not.
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PA–
That’s quite good.
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Well, I wouldn’t call herbs masculine, rather they are highly male in the way that computer scientists are very male though lacking in masculinity. One of the many distinguishing features that separate the two types (herb and androgynous sex god) is that herbs seem to be necessarily somewhat fleshy. Every herb i’ve seen has a pouch or developing pouch (and i’m not talkinga bout a fanny pack, though in the 80’s they had those too).
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One might even argue that androgynous sex gods though neither distinctly male nor female are somewhat feminine in their appeal. But more needs to be done to separate maleness and femaleness from masculinity and femininity
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One of your best, all because it’s true.
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I wouldn’t call herbs masculine, rather they are highly male in the way that computer scientists are very male though lacking in masculinity.
Yes, that is exactly what I mean about herbs being masculine. A geeky computer scientist, a pizza-chumping couch potato, and a dudley-do-good boyscout doofus are all masculine, the same way a fat, superstitious, histrionic old auntie is feminine.
In other words, posessing the personality traits associeted with his/her sex, but not necessarily the attractive ones.
herbs seem to be necessarily somewhat fleshy.
That’s a good point. To me a quintessential herb is a tall guy in his early 30s, with a big gut and a clumsy fleshiness about him. He stands around unsure of himself, and usually wears knee-length cargo shorts or cheap pleated pants.
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Frank–
Yes that’s better. PA’s “masculine but asexual” got the idea across but didn’t sit quite right with me either.
On thing it’s impossible to be is a genuinely macho herb. If the herb practices pretend macho, which is of course contra his feminist worldview, he’s likely to start magically improving.
Wait, that wouldn’t be adopting some game by another name, would it?
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PA. I see what you are saying. Let me put it this way, we would never call a woman unmasculine. Being unmasculine is a male specific trait. And mutatis mutandis, the same goes for unfeminine. This is why I want to distinguish between maleness and masculinity. It is male to be unmasculine and female to be unfeminine. What it is about these concepts that makes for this sort of relation is worth speculating.
PA “To me a quintessential herb is a tall guy in his early 30s, with a big gut and a clumsy fleshiness about him. He stands around unsure of himself, and usually wears knee-length cargo shorts or cheap pleated pants.”
Hilarious
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PA. I see what you are saying. Let me put it this way, we would never call a woman unmasculine. Being unmasculine is a male specific trait. And mutatis mutandis, the same goes for unfeminine. This is why I want to distinguish between maleness and masculinity. It is male to be unmasculine and female to be unfeminine. What it is about these concepts that makes for this sort of relation is worth speculating about.
PA “To me a quintessential herb is a tall guy in his early 30s, with a big gut and a clumsy fleshiness about him. He stands around unsure of himself, and usually wears knee-length cargo shorts or cheap pleated pants.”
Hilarious
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PA–
Great image.
Or we could just point to beta #1 from a few days ago.
You don’t go around pointing out and private joking about such guys with your hot young Eastern European wife, do you PA?
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to lurker and dougjnn
thank you for the translation. I saw the swpl site a while ago, but did not figure that was the meaning intended.
I presumed swpl was modified to describe “professional” people, as the values are shared with asians, blacks and other successful types. It does make sense, in a way, to describe White Degeneration. I was thinking of lofty Rome. Fuck me…
lol at dougjnn – he snuck in a snide remark. sneaky bwanadevil =]
All I know of “the pop culture” are the 14 methods of getting The Perfect Blumpkin
I’ll try to behave ever so genteel; KassyK wants to spank me kill me or fuck me. I can’t tell via email lolz teehee =]
can a Gentile be genteel? oops…
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Roissy,
Zoom in on the pic. You’ll possibly see another herb coming down the sidewalk, papoose in front, and pushing a stroller. Can’t be certain it’s not a female, but the squarish shoulders sure do look male.
Looks like this herb and chic in the foreground are in simply in their own yuppie neighborhood….
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Kick a Bitch:
I don’t mean to denigrate all who wear flops as Herbs. But, flip flops are Herb-ish, can’t you agree?
I do Herb-like shit myself, we all do. It’s just a matter of the ratio of Herbiness that is important.
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Apropos of nothing, this funny DC slut and proud of it is a riot, and a delight. And hot.
http://blonderthanyou.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/hookers-get-gas-too/
This one from her old blog is another fun starter post.
http://www.glamourisarockyroad.com/suicideblond/2006/12/the_sex_kitten_.html
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Flip flops on a man are a huge turnoff. They make the most masculine of men look effeminate.
Guys just don’t do it!
Funny enough, I’ve seen a few men rocking crooks(tp) and they don’t look so bad.
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“I do Herb-like shit myself, we all do. It’s just a matter of the ratio of Herbiness that is important.”
I believe you have nailed it there Chuck.
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PA, Prince and Steven Tyler(Aerosmith) are the most androgynous of all rock stars. From the rap world, Kayne West is the most androgynous.
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Get that a guy a burger and a pull up bar asap.
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I’m glad to see that R has broached this topic, and am hopeful that some real focus can be had on it.
I say that because, as a freely admitted “outsider” it occurs to me that a great deal of misdirection, diversion and out and out scapegoating happens here and elsewhere: many of my White brothers seem to vent their frustrations on targets that have precious little to do with real outcomes to their condition. For example, the seemingly relentless putdowns of “NAMs” (read, Brown & Black folk) in all its many forms. It seems that they know and understand that its the so-called Whiter People who are behind a lot of what they see, but for some reason, they can’t seem to get themselves together to address this, much less mount a legitimate counteroffensive. It seems easier, if not any less productive, to simply whup up on groups who have little to fire back with.
I would like to see a post or series of posts by Roissy where he actually confronts some of these Herbs and gets right in their grill and asks hey man, wassup with that, you’re messing it up for the rest of us, etc. I think a great deal of this problem is what appears to be the ingrained Anglo cultural trait *not* to be confrontational. Too much of anything, it seems can turn out to be a bad thing.
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how far can the example of the SWPL’s behavior take the country when they vote contrary to their lifestyle?
Get a clue, man, what does voting have with real politics in your USA? Both parties are far to the right of popular opinion.
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Fellas,
where i come from men don’t carry around fucking laptops. they run backhoes or they build houses or they are butchers. you guys need to get your hands dirty.
Roissy,
what kind of manual labor? and yes, i will judge you as a man based on your answer.
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@ALW: +1
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Roissy correctly notes that a nontrivial number of herbs have cute girlfriends. In New York, nontrivial severely understates the situation. The reason is because these hipster bitches are more aggressive due to the oft-noted cultural shift, but also b/c they have fewer options in their finite hipster worlds. There are lots of gays and freaks in this scene. These babes simply cannot get true alphas, because those men want typically hot chicks, and can bang scores of them without ever having cross a bridge to dip into the hipster pool (even though they are ripe with talent). Even alpha hipsters date mainstream girls all the time here. So the hipster girls selectively date herbs because their liberal arts training teaches them that a good man is one who has read the same books and shares similar beliefs. But actually it is because they have no other options.
I have a very good friend who is a hipster herb – and he has steadily banged 7’s, 8’s and a few 9’s living in Williamsburg, Brooklyn for the last 7 years. He is a soft, gentle IT consultant from an affluent east cost city suburb. With the ladies he talks about contact lenses, boat-building, moisturizer (he has dry skin) and is an active facebook whore. In other words, he is a straight beta. And yet he is an alpha based on the girls he pulls, if you accept the alpha-as-PUA theory. How can this be explained? Check your premises: Not by pussy alone is alpha status conferred. Or perhaps the lesson is different: being high beta in NYC is equivalent to being an alpha anywhere else.
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I do get the feeling like i’d like to bend that chick over though. The one on the left.
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When i was this herbs age I would have gladly crawled thru a stream of the hocked up phlegm and/or anal secretions of any or all of the cast members of The View just to have the chance to be near such a cute(seems from the rear) chick. I wonder does the herbs dick ever get hard? Or is it one of those bendy,floppy semi-erections?
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Re chicnoir:”flip flops make…men look effeminate.” I’ll go you one further:they make men look like retards. Oops! Sorry…we dont say the R word anymore!!
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I have a lot of friends who are musicians and artists. One musician in particular is exactly what a lot of you are describing, the small, skinny, pale “hipster” guy. He rarely bathes, drinks until he passes out most nights, lives in a filthy, tiny apartment, has no job or prospect of one and wakes up well after noon every day. He is usually fun and playful, but occasionally angry, moody and distant. Although he seems to put no effort and minimal interest in pursuing girls, he gets more action than anyone I have met in my entire life. He has several very pretty girls “on-call” at any time, meets at least one attractive girl every time we go out, all while having a “girlfriend” back home who doesn’t seem to mind that his facebook says that he is single.
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Wrightson: Victor Davis Hanson, Classics professor and farmer, writes a blog (and books). So there’s one.
Rain And: The SWPL guy both pushes multiculturalism and PC, and does everything in his power to PREVENT middle/working class guys from moving up. Meanwhile he enables the casual sex, single motherhood style of SWPL, with eternal manboys playing teen-ager while yuppie women want to “have it all” with both flings with Mr. Big and single-motherhood. Most SWPL don’t marry, embrace feminism and single motherhood, with disastrous consequences for society.
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I find myself getting into the skinny guys too. Maybe I’m starting to feel this way because thinness is becoming extinct in this country.
+ thinner people look better in clothes.
Anthony Roissy,
what kind of manual labor? and yes, i will judge you as a man based on your answer.
IIRC, he once worked as a bartender in a dive bar. I think somewhere in a fly over state or the South.
Anthony Roissy,
what kind of manual labor? and yes, i will judge you as a man based on your answer.
IIRC, he once worked as a bartender in a dive bar. I think somewhere in a fly over state or the South.
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That’s why it would be hysterical to make another video using the same animation, but from the perspective of the Beta Chump.
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@Howard Roark–I’m curious though, when you’re IT friend talks to women about these decidedly beta topics, is he infusing the conversation with teasing, qualifying, occasional vulnerability stories/other emotional-connection building stories? And does he dress well and conduct himself confidently?
I suspect that you might automatically be writing off those who dress in a somewhat hipster style, or have interests in hipster-centric topics, as herbs just in virtue of those superficial facts alone. I know quite a few people who would probably be classified as hipsters just by these criteria, and among these people, the rules of the Game remain the same. That is, there are alphas who conduct themselves confidently, who talk to women in the way that Game prescribes, and who have success with many 7+s as a result. And then there are betas who wring their hands, stare at the floor, and make jerky movements all night at the bar, and then get overexcited and try too hard to win the approval of girls when they get introduced to one. These betas get action few and far between.
For example, the tone of J’s post seems to suggest that he thinks of his musician friend as something of a herb. But from the way he described him, the guy sounds like a classic, devil-may-care, badass alpha to me.
It’s certainly true that with the sheer amount of available women in nyc, a man has better chances here than most other places in the world. But in my experience, and in the experience of others, a girl of 7 or higher will not give you the time of day if you do not treat her the way she wants to be treated (i.e., you do not run good Game on her), just like anywhere else.
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emos are herbs or are two separate categories?
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Cannon: “There were 30 men in my gym last night and one middle-aged female, who was there with her trainer. Every single one of these people have more merit than 500 hipster scumfucks. Hipsters did not ruin democracy; they are a product of a ruined democracy.”
Cannon, you’ve spoken some true words. The only friends I have made out here in Berkeley who are men, I have met in the jiu jitsu dojo (other martial arts attract spiritual ding dongs rather than men) or in the Gym doing deadlifts. Yukio Mishima knew what was what in “Sun and Steel.” He particularly knew because he consciously transformed himself from herb to hero.
“Invariably, it is the man who believes himself to be physically lacking in heroic attributes who speaks mockingly of the hero… I have yet to hear hero worship mocked by a man endowed with what may justly be called heroic physical attributes. Facile cynicism, invariably, is related to feeble muscles or obesity, while the cult of the hero and a mighty nihilism are always related to a mighty body and well tempered muscles.”
Herbs are physically sick people. They have hormonal problems. Personally, I think bitchy cunts like Roissy was talking about in his last post have similar hormonal issues. They’re broken people; diseased gollums out of touch with essential human nature. Only when a culture becomes decadent do such mushroom males exist in significant numbers. Oh sure, they consider themselves “intellectuals” or what not, but even Socrates had the body and mind of a hero.
“I had a better opportunity of seeing him than at Potidaea, for I was myself on horseback, and therefore comparatively out of danger. He and Laches were retreating, for the troops were in flight, and I met them and told them not to be discouraged, and promised to remain with them; and there you might see him, Aristophanes, as you describe, just as he is in the streets of Athens, stalking like a pelican, and rolling his eyes, calmly contemplating enemies as well as friends, and making very intelligible to anybody, even from a distance, that whoever attacked him would be likely to meet with a stout resistance; and in this way he and his companion escaped–for this is the sort of man who is never touched in war; those only are pursued who are running away headlong.”
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IIRC, he once worked as a bartender in a dive bar. I think somewhere in a fly over state or the South.
Gosh, does *that* qualify as manual labour these days?!!
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Lupo: Socrates was a stonemason, not what is commonly understood by “hero”. And he’s not “even Socrates”, no need to be so condescending.
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“””””””Obsidian,
many of my White brothers seem to vent their frustrations on targets that have precious little to do with real outcomes to their condition.”””””””””””
I just saw Dave Chapell’s block party movie. I got to say it is the saddest movie I have ever not been able to finish. I can see why he was probably made to quite or he did quite. Black people are being used as an excuse holding white people back from being able to say am I my brothers keeper? Yes I am. And for black people white people are an excuse for saying I am my brothers keeper? Yes I am. But the way they keep their brothers is to kill them or encourage them to do criminal shit not encourage them to build up shit. Man that movie was an eye opener.
Although some of the rap does spit some truth it just doesn’t tell you how to get there. Money is all. Bitches ain’t shit but ho’s and tricks. But only from the perspective of the criminal.
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Allright guys enough of the bullshit. We got to do “blog happy hour” no “blog happy two weeks” in thailand in february so save your pennies. We will even man doug up and make him quite his sneaky ways with other guys and woman 🙂 plus me and obsidian will do one on one with gloves or takedowns which. He He He. It would be great. Plus instead of seeing woman who are pretending to be men pretending to be woman you can see woman pretending to be woman pretending to be your woman pretending to be woman.
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No need to bring any game it will not be required therefore will be more time to discuss the philosophy of life and maybe even how we can be our brothers keeper and look out for one another in a changeing world.
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Interesting, here in Australia flip-flops are seen as pretty masculine
In fact, the quintessential image of the Aussie bloke always involves flip-flops. But the guy does look pathetic, is true.
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Gunslinger,
I would kindly suggest you a bit more research on both Chappelle and Hip Hop so that you can more intelligently discuss both, even if you still disagree. Might I recommend Chappelle’s appearance on Lipton’s In The Actor’s Studio? And, for starters, you can do a bit of research on DJ Premier, Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash, etc. Checkout their Wikipedia entries, and followup on YouTube. You just might learn something before its done. 🙂
As for the idea that Black folk in toto are hostile to Whites, nothing could be more from the truth. The reality is, that for all Black folk have been through in this country that the vast majority are quite friendly to Whites.
O
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Jonk, I’ve seen model pretty boys walking around Manhattan and Brooklyn with flip flops on. Those dudes turn me dryer than the Sahara in 5 sec flat. I find myself looking at their face my eyes traveling south, I think my God this guy is fine. Then BOOM, when I look at his feet I say opps never mind.
What I find annoying is the clickty clack of the flip flop hitting the back of a man’s foot. Flip flops also tend to make guys walk with more switch and less strut.
Clinton Portis or Ray Lewis in flip flops is disgusting.
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I can’t even begin to tell you how many girlfriends of herbs I have fucked. They are so ripe for a real fuck it is sometimes sad. The funniest part though is how they badmouth their pathetic loser boyfriends afterwards, laughing about their “soft, chubby bodies” or how they wine and how sick they are of “having them cry on my shoulder” or how pathetic their sex skills are, or lack of them. The girls stay with them because they know the guys will never leave them and so they are dependable companions for all the social shit that chicks crave doing until they decide to move on to better things. At that point the little herb gets tossed.
But really, the herb girlfriend is one of the easiest chicks to get into bed. And when you fuck their brains out for hours on end, pounding their pussies over and over again, throwing them around the bed, spanking them, fingering their assholes while you are fucking them from behind, eating their pussies with reckless abandon, shooting your load all over their breasts and stomach and into their drenched pussies multiple times, and showing them what a real masculine fuck is like, a fuck for the pure pleasure of the fuck without any of the emo shit they are getting from their herbs, they will come back for more. Guaranteed.
Yes, they are quite the delicacy. I love bagging, bedding and banging one every now and then.
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“wine”…should be “whine” above.
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Obsidian
There are a number of people within the majority who are bothered by the fact that we don’t smile enough. I’ve made mention of it before. It seems that some people think others hate them if they aren’t phony grinning/smiling at them. Notice how Michelle Obama smiles all of the time theses days. Yea, some of Barack’s people had to pull her aside.
I smile at keith,ryder,mq, and whiskey(tender moment).
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Grammer Nazi–
The summer I was 15 I worked on a hay farm, tossing bales up onto a flat bed truck that was moving slowly in front of me and one or two other guys, who were a lot older. I held my own. I was 6’1″ and not skinny at that age.
The next summer I worked as a bank messenger for Citibank in the big bad city. I suppose you won’t approve of that job as physical enough, but I loved it. It involved commuting into the big bad city NYC and learning a lot of the neighborhoods and a lot of businesses. I seemed to deliver to furriers quite a lot, where I was delivering factoring papers. Also to overseas traders. And to the high fashion industry outside of furriers. Some some semi nude models doing that too, which was one hell of a thrill for a 16 yo.
The summer before college I worked on West Coast coastwise tanker, making the run from Long Beach and especially Lompoc and Oakland to Coos Bay Oregon, and Seattle, and then up to Ketchikan Alaska. I was on the lowest run, as a messman. A dish washer. But that allowed me a couple of summers later to get a job on a freighter to East Asia, as an ordinary seaman.
Oh and my family was upper, upper middle class. They just believed in certain things, and being effette or class snobby wasn’t one of them.
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alpha or beta female ?
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chic noir
Her bones must be made of rubber. With that kind of flexibility she probably does not need a man. She can certainly live without the Purple Saguaro
[ http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/contraption/ ]
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@ default- but men sure need a woman like her 🙂
male alpha or beta
He made me throw a dollar at my laptop.
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Naa Obsid everyone needs to watch some of Dave Cappels block party. Teh guy who says Iiiiimmmmmmmm riiiiiccchhhhh beeeaaattchhh! Yea only thing he could build is a good case of the clap. It is wild shit and very eye opening. Puts to rest the black people can dance and also the black people can produce great music. Wild to is the intro movies are about a white guy dating a black woman and entering the black world. Except that one was not produced by black people. Chapells shit looks like an actual all black production. The shit is ill.
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Something tells me we really really really are being lied to about the capability of black people in the past is what I am getting at.
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Because the chapell shit is looking at the present with blacks with an education scary.
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Oh yea and I lived hip hop. Shit I was freestyling before I was in 2nd grade before rap came out. So I guess really I invented rap.
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Schoolboy’s article is worth a quick read.
It’s remarkable that she went from so little self awareness to what she expresses in the article.
LOL. That article was written by a frustrated man, not a woman. It’s a fantasy…they’ll get theirs one day, etc.
I think Roissy (and others here) just can’t stand it that the Herbs are outcompeting them in the true sexual marketplace — they’re the ones marrying, having kids, and starting successful families. Typical envy and resentment reaction to losing out.
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Gunslingergregi
Share some of that redbreast 🙂
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“Yukio Mishima knew what was what in “Sun and Steel.” He particularly knew because he consciously transformed himself from herb to hero.”
Thanks for the tip Lupo. I have added that one to my anti-library and moved it toward the front of the queue.
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Probably came from my irish side just flowing rhymes. Like folk music mix type.
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Gunslinger,
? You sure you haven’t had a taste this evening?
O
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LOL. That article was written by a frustrated man, not a woman. It’s a fantasy…they’ll get theirs one day, etc.
I was going to say that. People don’t generally feel the need to write long essays about how everything they did since age 18 was wrong. Especially, when everything they did wrong since age 18 is straight off of the MRA “women suck” template.
Mishima apparently transformed himself from herb to hero for the gay sex. Gay men have been into weightlifting for longer than heterosexual men have.
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if satchels are beta, then how are we supposed to carry laptops around? do alphas not use laptops?
No. Only scurrying little beetle-browed quants carry around laptops in satchels. Real men stick them in their roll-aboards, stride right to the airport bar, and order a vodka and tonic.
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Grammar Nazi: “Socrates was a stonemason, not what is commonly understood by “hero”. And he’s not “even Socrates”, no need to be so condescending.”
Socrates was, in fact, a war hero; this is a fact well attested to by men who served with him. He worked out with weights in the gym, and was a professional philosopher, even if he did dabble in masonry. Statues of him show him to have a mighty physique. His recorded words are rife with injunctions to make the body as strong as the mind.
Yes, he is “even Socrates” in that he is one of the most cerebral men in human history, so weasely herbs who do things like attempt to correct other people’s grammar have no excuse not to keep fit and healthy. If Socrates could do it, so can Herb or “Grammar Nazi.” I will let Socrates himself do my talking for me:
“”No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training…what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.” – Xenophon’s Memorabilia.
Also; shut your cake hole, weaksauce.
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No drink Obsid I saw that movie yesterday and it made a lot of stuff make more sense. And really yea was freestyling before second grade my sister used to fuck with me about it. Of course it wasn’t really rap no swears. See I didn’t make the gifted program in 1st grade because my mom wanted me to be with the normal kids. Worked out really well.
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Lupo
Masterfully done Lupo. The whole post. Dead eye’d right to the heart of exactly why Grammer Nazi’s objections were fuzzy headed bordering on plain stupid and yeah, lacking in masculine self assurance as well.
A double header.
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into whom the herb secretly yearns to dribble his tepid seed.
Ugh. So wrong its gotta be right…..
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Shit it is the chick from the top photo. Nice ass.
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That link of the story I posted is indeed fake. Thanks for pointing that out MQ.
Heres the original I found: http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=31929&hl=dating+still+eludes+me
It was written by a man. Now that I think of it, it’s too much damn awareness for a women to actually write about.
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Perhaps they all have just found someone with common interests that they dig, and she digs back. Not everyone has to be a big smartass alpha horndog like urself. i like to see happy couples as I walk down the street, as long as they are not doing anything too nasty in public.
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Wow, what kind of gossipy bitch whines about how he can’t even compete with a skinny-ass 15-year-old when it comes to scoring chicks?
A true alpha male, that’s who. I can see how this sort of thing would have been a big deal back on the veldt.
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doug: good for you, I’m glad that me and Mr. Wrightson have company. But why describe your own exploits, did my remarks about the rumours of roissy’s “manual labour” pique you?
Lupa: sure, you’re welcome to your cult of the hero and your mighty nihilism. Just leave Socrates alone, he wouldn’t approve of nihilism anyway. Go read Nietzsche and Mein Kampf.
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Socrates, Nietzsche and Mishima have much more in common with each other than any of them do with the likes of you, “grammar nazi;” in physique and philosophy of life. Of course, you could never understand this; you probably think of Socrates as a broken little yoda like yourself. Your weakness makes you vile.
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Google ‘Xenoestrogens’. It helps explain Herbs somewhat. Along with rampant feminist/marxist ideals espoused by Academia and Mass Media.
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Oh, and on a sidebar, Navy girl got moved to night shift ~ will adjust fire and report back.
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Lupo: I’ll have to ask you to kindly take back gratuitous insults (what you call macho banter, no doubt). Even if you feel so insecure that you have to abuse random people, dragging in Socrates and bushy-tailed squirrels, you don’t have to show it in public.
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flip flops are cool in the right context…
when I walk out for a fight or hang out on the matt waiting to roll BJJ I hang in flip flops. Board shorts, wife beater and flip flops are a style choice for the fighter. You see somone walking out nice and slow, flip flops and boardies sipping some water with 2 arms of ink… he is probably a bjj black belt
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What if the sandals are made from the dried entrails of your victims? Alpha?
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“I don’t know any hard working man who writes a blog.”
My boy Cap works construction and lives way off in the middle of nowhere. I think you can tell someone in his town you’ll meet them by the stoplight and you’ll have no problems finding each other.
“Interesting, here in Australia flip-flops are seen as pretty masculine
In fact, the quintessential image of the Aussie bloke always involves flip-flops. But the guy does look pathetic, is true.”
I was in an Australian pub once and for some reason or another used the word fanny. I had a half dozen Australian guys threatening to kick my ass for speaking the word “infront of the sheilas”. I was able to explain that it is a polite, old timey word for someone’s bottom in the States. I also pointed out that there is a candy company named Fanny Farmer, which led to lots of, “What, don’t tell me they’re growin’ ’em over there!?!” and laughter.
Australia still has a pretty masculine culture. You doods aren’t going to be undone by open toed footwear, though your politicians and academics are now doing all they can to fem your society up.
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I almost mistook this for a gossip site.
Sad, sad people.
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“The young, educated SWPL guy who buys a house and raises a family with an attractive wife in his intentionally all white SWPL neighborhood is functionally paleoconservative. His behaviors are promoting Capitalism, white racialism, and family orientation.
Meanwhile the childless player who goes out, does drugs and parties with his multiracial urban tribe, and degrades the monogamous instincts of numerous young women is functionally a leftist. His behaviors are promoting socialism, multiculturalism, and single motherhood.
Behavior is a better marker of ideology than what people profess. Behavior is also a better marker of the state of civilization.”
So true, Rain And. Other than roissy’s reply, this comment didn’t get nearly the attention it deserves.
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Damn, that is a good quote.
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Wonka,
Word.
O
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Looks like a teenager to me.
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Rain And’s quote has tons of merit except for two gripes:
1) the paloecon-acting but leftie-thinking SWPL guy is still a hypocritical douche.
2) Roissy does one thing that most hedonists don’t – he runs a very popular blog that effectively advances paleo ideas.
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tragically, I don’t think any religion is immune from having hypocritical douchebags as adherents.
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OMW makes a good point, PA.
And…
Moreover, isn’t Wonka’s point just as compelling-that, at the end of the day, one must be judged at least as much by their deeds, as their professed words/beliefs?
Now, don’t get me wrong. I believe Roissy has the right to do with his life what he will. I respect that right. I defend it.
But *if* we’re gonna have public policy discussions, which do happen quite often here, often at the behest of Roissy himself, then at some point it does raise some questions when it comes to individual action and the responsibility that comes with it-a hallmark of *any* Conservative philosophy as I understand it.
So, to use myself as an example, I can talk a mean game, pardon the pun, all I want about this or that social ill; but if I proclaim allegiance to Conservative views, and I do, then it says that ultimately the solution rests in my hands, and that it falls to ME to do something about it. Afterall, nothing ever got done with words alone.
I think Wonka and Rain make a very compelling point. From where I sit, it’s hard to argue, in bottomline terms, something else that Cons espouse to love and revere.
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Maybe the most messed up thing about Universalist SWPLism as a religious ideology is that you HAVE to be a hypocritical douchebag to live a normal life.
Like the millions of young white stay-at-home moms who have to concoct some sort of ex post facto left-wing explication about how they are NOT like their moms, because they’re using their lives to practice “anti-racist, attachment, ecological” parenting and are thus actually smashing the system instead of going with the flow like their oppressed grandmas did.
ROFLMAO!!!!
Mothering.com is all I’ve got to say about that.
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at the end of the day, one must be judged at least as much by their deeds, as their professed words/beliefs?
Yes. That’s exactly what I wrote to another guy in the “Things are Chaning” thread last night when explaining the “traitor” thing.
The thing is, I don’t care what Roissy does in real life. He’s just one guy, and if his PUA thing is for real, more power to him. I don’t insist on Amish or Taliban-levels of piety and good behavior. What’s important from the society’s health standpoint is that the NORM in our society be of responsible, productive adulthood.
Outliers with PUA skills like Roissy aren’t a problem. Most guys don’t have the aptitude or interest in being hedonistic bachelors past their early youth. If some do (and they are few in number) good for them. If I had a daughter and Roissy hurt her, I’d kill him. But other than that, may he knock himself out.
In the final analysis, Roissy’s contribution to conservatism is that he propagates paleo ideals on his blog. Within the limited scope of the blog’s reach — and that scope might be expanidng — he and some of his better commenters are advancing the meme that traditionalism is somethign that cool and smart people believe in. And he brutally shames leftism.
Another contribution of Roissy’s behavior: he popularizes Game, i.e. a tool for the critical mass of confused men to approach and if desired, form successful marriages with women. Certainly a contribution to civilization’s cause.
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PA,
Touche’ my friend. Excellent points.
O
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If I had a daughter and Roissy hurt her, I’d kill him
daaag PA is gansta!
*tiptoes across the room to hide beind DA and Whiskey*
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I think I will be trying to do some arranges marriages if I have daughters.
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“Grammar nazi,” the passive aggressive weasel of the hour, having failed to score any points on fact did say: “I’ll have to ask you to kindly take back gratuitous insults”
Those insults are anything but gratuitous; they nail you where you live and breathe. Hell; you’re the very topic of this post. Squeal away, little piggie. People like you make life on earth hell; you can’t blame healthy people for despising that which is vile.
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you do make a good point… 😉
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“Brilliant.
A vitriolic masterpiece.
Clearly this video is an artistic comment on American foreign policy during the years of the Bush Administration.”
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Secretly photographing people and then making fun of them anonymously on a message board is pretty beta. This is even lower than tmz. Massive fail to roissy.
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Scientists are baffled…
Indeed not.
Most scientists are these dreaded “herb” you speak of. They are intelligent, artistic, and most importantly, not the dreaded “douche bag” variety. Keep lusting after your sorority types (full disclosure: I am a sorority girl. to the fucking core.) and we’ll keep our “herbys” with their sexy pullable moptops, emotions (gasp) and affinity for music and intelligent conversation. Darn.
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[…] by roissy First there was this. Then this herb poked his fat head up from his burrow. Then a magnificent specimen of herb was spotted on the concrete plains of DC’s SWPL savannah. Suddenly herbs started springing up […]
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[…] You can see another great photo of a herb here. And here. And here is an example of the subspecies hipster herb. […]
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HERBERT! HERBERT! HERBERT!
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Yup! Totally right. “Herbs” are more and more common these days. Love the way you pointed out the things in your picture.
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