Thanks to the eagle eye of reader W Baker, a second herb has been discovered in the photo of the herb with satchel.
Unbelievable. Two herbs frolicking in the wild! What fortune. I didn’t even see the second herb when I snapped this shot. It’s like finding out your antique ceramic cat is hiding secret code from the Spanish-American War engraved on its underside.
As you can tell, the second herb is the subspecies “de-balled family man” herb. He is a prime specimen of his taxonomy. Just look at his firm two-hand grip of the stroller handle, the head held high proud of his emasculation, the papoose slung insouciantly across his chest like a beacon to all other herbs that, yes, here be safe haven for our kind. Stroller, baby, frontal papoose… is that a pink blankie over his elbow?… my god, it’s the perfect storm of herbliness. A magnificent beast! What could possibly make this better except for the not insignificant odds that, since this shot was taken in a yuppie habitat, our herb may be the rare breed known as the “two daddies” herb. This find is almost as good as the Zapruder footage of the paunchy papoosed herb holding mall shopping bags while his annoying wife shouted instructions at him.
I should send this pic to National Geographic.
“It’s like finding out your antique ceramic cat is hiding secret code from the Spanish-American War engraved on its underside.”
Or like when you count the E-Tabs in the 1,000 lot you just bought, and found out there was 1,200.
– MPM
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I had no problem at all putting my kid in a papoose. It kept my hands free and put the weight on both shoulders (carry the kid in one arm for any length of time and you’ll get massive shoulder and back pain). Plus my son loved it – he could look around and see what was going on from an adult height rather than down at knee level in the stroller. If he’s happy and it’s convenient for me, I just don’t give a shit what anybody else thinks. Just who am I trying to impress, anyway? If young, single males think I look deballed, what is that to me?
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hahahha nice
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papoose in the streets!
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so, when these two herbs passed each other on the street, was there any sort of recognition between the two?
do you think there was a moment when the older herb looked at the young herb and said to himself “that was me 10 years ago” or the young herb thought “man, nice papoose.” ??
this brings up a philosophical question: doesn’t a true herb think that his herbiness is a good thing?
roissy, you passed these two herbs in the wild. you did your duty by snapping a shot of them in their natural element, but you didn’t follow up with ridicule and social shaming. either that or you could have swooped young herb’s chick right in front of him.
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lol tarl just outed himself.
classic update, dis why i come back for more
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This is where I don’t agree. While the man may be a herb, simply caring for your child does not make you a Beta.
Many people, including men, want to have children. This is one admission that is glaringly absent from Roissy’s writings.
Modern laws are extremely deadly for a man with children, yes. It is a legitimate decision for a man to conclude that the risks are too high, given the current cultural and legal climate.
But let’s not deny that many men wish to be fathers, and that there are men who find happiness in having families. I am sure Roissy wishes he had a son to teach Game to.
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So while the first herb is certainly an effette girlie-man, the second isn’t quite in that league.
He does not look effette. He may be totally under the thumb of his wife, but at least he has not shed a masculine appearance (again, there is no shame in carrying your own child).
Now, if he is a cuckold, that is another story.
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Nah, I think the main thing is that what you call herbs, or hipsters, or SWPLites, are simply a different cultural tribe. Their men compete for women with status games like any other tribe, but their sexual market rewards passive-agressiveness and politically correct hipness, and devalue Roissy’s caveman-style game. Their women of course stick with the tribe, with the innate caution characteristic of women everywhere.
However, they are significant mainly because they have significant influence on advertising, journalism, and cultural media of most kinds. Whiskey’s Place (http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/) has a number of examples of how influential the SWPL mindset is in advertising, often even going contrary to the profit motive. Thus Roissy is on the right scent when he pins the blame of liberal cultural change on SWPLites.
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tood,
there’s nothing wrong with caring for your child.
there is something entirely wrong with caring for your child by carrying it in a papoose. native american *women* used papooses.
if i have a lot of shit to carry around, wallet, cell phone, keys, etc, i put them in my pockets, i don’t wear a fanny pack.
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So while the first herb is certainly an effette girlie-man, the second isn’t quite in that league.
He does not look effette.
One thing we can tell from the picture is that he’s maintaining a confident heads-up posture. This perhaps is best expressed in the opposite way: he is not shuffling along staring at the sidewalk, unwilling to make eye contact with people he passes. His posture could be a sign that he’s not hopelessly Beta.
He also seems to be wearing a baseball cap. I don’t think that type of headwear has any real meaning one way or another, and in any event he may be wearing it primarily for shade on what appears to be a bright sunny day (he also has sunglasses).
Peter
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Nah, I’m not fall into this low-class trap of denigrating people for superficial stuff. It really could just be a manner of convenience. Dad certainly not dressed to impressed, but does he need to be?
He can dress however the hell he wants, SWPL status games or not, as long as he’s got his chick in check and money in the bank. Yeah, there are alphas even amongst suburban liberals.
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What’s he supposed to do? The guy has kids. Having kids isn’t Beta.
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“While the man may be a herb, simply caring for your child does not make you a Beta.”
I am sure his problems don’t end there.
– MPM
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G, its pretty hard for your supplier to screw up counting E. I think your full of shit. Now, if you pick up 12 pounds of pot and it weighs over at 13.5, thats a little more reasonable.
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Anthony L Wrightson
“G, its pretty hard for your supplier to screw up counting E. I think your full of shit. Now, if you pick up 12 pounds of pot and it weighs over at 13.5, thats a little more reasonable.”
Last time I checked the E-Tab Game wasn’t full of Bean Counters (no pun intended) and crystal clear heads.
Either way, it could have been a bonus for good work.
– MPM
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Btw that really is a lovely street you and the herbs are walking down.
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G, a guy who actually sells dope would know that most guys don’t count a big shipment of E. They weigh it (taking the weight of one pill and doing the math) So, an over count would be reasonable.
You ARE full of shit.
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Yeah, a stroller makes you look weak and soft. Not long ago I was off from work, visiting some relatives, and happened to be pushing a stroller containing my two-year-old niece down a busy street. A Greenpeace guy asked me if I “care about the enviroment”. Of course I laughed, said “No” and kept walking, but still… what indignity! Normally all those Greenpeace guys and most of the Greenpeace girls look the other way and pretend that they can’t see me walking straight towards them. It didn’t help that I hadn’t shaved my face in about a week… that probably made me look like I don’t have a real job.
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Anthony L Wrightson
“G, a guy who actually sells dope would know that most guys don’t count a big shipment of E. They weigh it (taking the weight of one pill and doing the math) So, an over count would be reasonable.”
First of all, I was making a joke, so calm down.
2nd, 1000 pills is not a “big shipment”.
Third, “So, an over count would be reasonable” you agreeing with me.
– MPM
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Third, “So, an over count would be reasonable” you are agreeing with me.
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If a man showing affection or holding his child is now considered beta then the world is truly coming to an end. I know there a few men here who love children(paging whiskey, wilmer),thank God who wouldn’t object to using that type of holder to carry their child.
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Tarl —
Wanting to have kids isn’t beta; though it is high risk in this highly and unprecedentedly feminist legal and cultural climate.
However have you never heard of the concept that caring for infants is *wait for it* women’s work?
Certainly the AmerIndians from whom the papoose is borrowed had. Certainly your grandfather and also in all likelihood your father too had. Though your father might have been a bit circumspect with just out and out calling it that and refusing for that reason.
Now older children become a different story. And hey not everyone is the same.
Before you start talking about her high powered job and how you had more free time than her — well yeah. That’s part of the problem too.
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Chic Noir
No but maybe radical feminism is.
Also no one has a problem with a guy holding or showing affection for his kid. In this shot however he looks like the primary, or at least the happy equal, care giver to infants.
Now consult virtually all human history before the last 40 years Chic, in the leading or most powerful civilizations, or even strong also rans.
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I personally wouldn’t work with the whole “papoose” deal, & really aint crazy about pushing strollers around, but I don’t see any problems with the guy in and of itself. He apparently loves his kid, that’s wassup. Personally, I’d walk down the street w/my boy hand in hand, because that’s what Men do, walk on their own two. That’s how I did it, that’s how my Daddy did it-and it’s worked pretty well, so far.
O
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jeez. Of all the posts Roissy written, I think this is reflects most poorly on his character. You have nothing better to do than photograph and mock strange men who are actually raising their children? SMH.
What, pray tell, is an appropriately alpha mode of child conveyance?
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It’s sorta, kinda, ‘lil bit, almost, could-be, just there warm enough to be walking around with a sex trophy strapped to your chest like that’s some sort of an accomplishment.
Also, “This find is almost as good as the Zapruder footage of the paunchy papoosed herb holding mall shopping bags while his annoying wife shouted instructions at him.” God damn wordsmith.
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damn, roissy, when the hell IS your book coming out? Not that this was one of your deeper posts, but it is so well written and totally hilarious.
Same goes for G. Countering roissy’s weirdly imaginative simile with something so absurdly deadpan. Had me literally loling in the office.
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uh–
I thought I answered that – and it’s an infant. Having your woman do it. As in you know practically all of human history, save the last few decades among herbs and feminist men.
Obsidian–
Yeah, agreed. But that would be your child, not your infant. Because infants don’t walk, or anyway don’t for very long.
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What, pray tell, is an appropriately alpha mode of child conveyance?
the hail mary pass.
“go deep!”
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dougjnn —
oh u were serious? do you have children?
so as a man, you would not be seen in public spending one-on-one quality time with your infant child?
wild.
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Very funny. I’ve got kids, but I have never pushed them around in a stroller or worn a papoose. They either sit on my shoulders or walk. By the time kids are about two they can walk pretty well.
Like I said: on the shoulders. In a pinch, you carry them under your arm like a football.
Frontal carry is for easy breastfeeding. If a guy really wanted to be a complete herb, he could strap bottles onto his chest and nurse the kids.
Maybe someone should sell strap-on tits with milk pouches and nipples for herbs.
BTW, Tarl, you can get kid backpacks. With those you can at least keep some of your dignity, and it’s kind of cool in a Master Blaster way.
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dougjnAlso no one has a problem with a guy holding or showing affection for his kid. In this shot however he looks like the primary, or at least the happy equal, care giver to infants
What’s so bad about that?
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Hi Doug,
What you said earlier mirrors my view-that, until he can walk on his own, my Woman will handle that. After that, he will come to gradually spend more and more time around me, learning the Ways of Manhoo. That’s how my Daddy did me-after I was able to move around on my own, he slowly weaned me away from my Mom. Soon I was in my Daddy’s shadow all the time, going on jobs with him on the weekends (he worked for himself as a home contractor, and lemme tell ya, that’s some HARD WORK). We never used a stroller, and a “papoose”? My Dad was much too oldschol for that.
O
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ooooh a front carrier is not cool but a “kid backpack” is? you all are trippin!! hahaha
Raise your kids, raise your kids, raise your god damn kids!!
and carry them any way you want, except this:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/03/its_only_a_matter_of_time_befo.html?mid=daily-intel–20090331
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dougjnHowever have you never heard of the concept that caring for infants is *wait for it* women’s work?
yup and it was/is BS. How the heck to you think men are going to bond with their kids. I bet this guy has a stronger bond than most men who only play with their children for 15 mintues a day.
BTW I’ve noticed that of all groups Amer seem to be the most affectionate with their children in public. It’s nothing for them to carry their infants with them any/everywhere.
Dare I say it’s something the rest of us can stand to learn from.
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Chic Noir
It’s emasculating and blurs sex roles far too much, at their reproductive and child care core. Very few alphas will do it, and any alpha who does will thereby become a lot less alpha. In the eyes of most women as well as men. Yeah lots of careerist women may approve. But his hotness bad boy factor goes way down.
It’s also anathema to anti-feminists like me, Roissy, and a whole lot of the alphas on this board.
But hey Chic no one said that betas are good for nothing — or nobody other than DA anyway. They’re good for papoose wearing and turning into your nanny. Maybe he’ll even do it for her while his wife is out on a date.
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Question for the group. Is there a name for this?
I was driving down the street going to my house last week. A new young couple on our block was out walking. Young, overweight, pale. She in a tank top. He in an untucked T-shirt. He had two big dogs on a leash. Ugh, I thought. Typical young white couple raising dogs, not kids. Then, I saw she was pushing a stroller. “Well,” I thought. “at least they are having children.” It wasn’t until I drove by that I saw she was pushing a dog in the stroller.
I am stuck for a name. These people make Herbies look like healthy and exciting members of the human race. We have to name this problem before we can address it.
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chicnoir-
Men bond with their children far more than with their infants. In fact it’s a biologically determined difference. Lots of American feminists bend over backwards to pretend differently.
As well the arrogance of feminists who think that virtually all of recorded history is as nothing and feminist blank slate “gender is a socially constructed reality” which they derrive entirely from their cultural Marxist ideology is obviously the light shinning upon the people — is simply absurd.
No thank you.
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Some more Suicide Blond goodness:
How to Commute Like a Sex Kitten…
BTW, “Sex on Wheels” is her convertible European six gears stick shift sports car, that she drives topless and like a bat out of hell as often as possible. OK, a 911 style Porsche.
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speaking of herbs:
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Chic,
W/all due respect, me and my Daddy didn’t do all the “classic” things fathers and sons did, yet he made a powerful impression on me. We never went to a baseball game or fishing, and after he got home at night he was trying to get some peace, quiet, food, a bath and a piece of Woman, my Mom-and looking back on it as a Man myself, I knew exactly what he meant. Yet, w/o question he made, again, a powerful impression on me.
Me and my Dad bonded on th job, again, I worked with him from a young age, doing contracting jobs-you name it we did it-masonry, plumbing, drywall, gutting & rebuilding rowhouses, ceilings, roofing, etc, et al-and like I said, it was tough, hard work.
But it was thru those years that I worked with my Dad, that I learned what it meant to be a Man, because my Dad couldn’t go back home to his Woman emptyhanded. I learned from him how to get around obstacles, because despite all his training in the Trades and his natural born talent in contracting, he still couldn’t join the Union, they didn’t hire colored folk, so he had to figure out ways to get work despite that. He taught me the value of work and what it took to arn a dollar-I bought all my clothes, and Deejay equipment, in my highschool years, with the earnings made w/my Dad on those jobs on the weekend. And I made really nice money for a teenager, too.
I don’t mean to put down the more prototypical Daddy figure out there who’s more kindler and gentler, all I’m saying is that’s not the only model let alone to suggest best one. My Dad may not have been the touchy feely type, but by the time he left this world a decade ago, he had a direct hand in shaping a boy into a Man.
I’m just sayin. 🙂
O
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“What, pray tell, is an appropriately alpha mode of child conveyance?”
Your much-younger-than-you wife or a hot nurse. Duh.
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Thoughout all of human history, in all cultures and societies, any man was considered to be the automatic unpaid bodyguard of any woman in his presence.
If any stuff went down it always been assumed that he would put himself on the line to defend / protect her.
Traditionally every adult female is a woman and is entitled to respect, but most cultures withhold respect from the boys and men until and unless they prove themselves or else you’ll be exposed to humiliation, the quickest way to do that is to be a Hero or save a woman / child in danger.
So Herbs are doing 2 things
1) Pre-emptively self-humiliating, therby signaling to other men that they reject / have broken that social contract.
2) Signally to women that they wont (are in no place to) defend them, afterall what can you do in flip flops, satchels and baggy pants.
Our society and culture is doomed – we have already crossed the Rubicon.
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The second man doesn’t offend me to the degree that the effette first one does (and we haven’t even see the first one’s face).
Carrying your child like that is not necessarily bad. Whether the kid is in the stroller or the front-pack, who cares?
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“As well the arrogance of feminists who think that virtually all of recorded history is as nothing and feminist blank slate “gender is a socially constructed reality” which they derrive entirely from their cultural Marxist ideology is obviously the light shinning upon the people — is simply absurd.”
Indeed. The fact that they use ‘heteronormative’ as a slur shows how biologically unviable feminists (and radical gays) are.
That is why, despite its barbarism in other matters, I am strongly rooting for a rapid spread of more Islam into the West. I want veiled women with 3 small kids to be so common in major US cities that feminists have to notice them. I want Mosques to threaten all-girls colleges, and to threaten prominent feminists. I want Muslims to demand that Islamic law apply to family law matters with the Islamic community (thereby enticing Western men burned by divorce to convert to nominal Islam on paper).
That will get the feminists scared real quick.
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@Peter-
“Nah, I think the main thing is that what you call herbs, or hipsters, or SWPLites, are simply a different cultural tribe. Their men compete for women with status games like any other tribe, but their sexual market rewards passive-agressiveness and politically correct hipness, and devalue Roissy’s caveman-style game. Their women of course stick with the tribe, with the innate caution characteristic of women everywhere.”
I just made this comment in the previous thread, but I’ll make it again just because I find this attitude you and others have interesting.
If you believe in the theoretical foundations of Game, grounded in evo psych and so forth (and this is not too hard to believe once you start to apply the theory in life), then you believe that there could be no such sexual market that valued “passive-aggressiveness” and cute “political correctness.” There is only one Game to be played–it is hardwired into a woman’s brain in a way that no peripheral cultural factors can undo. Now a lot of SWPLers don’t seem to have very attractive wives, so even though their wives might secretly not be attracted to them, there’s nothing that surprising in a beta female marrying a beta male due to no other choice. But for those few that do, one can only assume that these guys must be executing some degree of Game, and behaving like real men to some degree–I’d guess that this most commonly manifests itself in the form of these guys being “deeply passionate” about some cause or their job at the non-profit organization or whatever, and their willingness to put their wives/gfs on hold in favor of their mission.
And a lot of hardcore female feminists/SWPLers–particularly the attractive ones with options– seem to be just fine mating “outside of the tribe” with the cocky asshole men who they claim to abhor. See the article about the 45 year old princess in the previous post (“I never told the fellow who made me pregnant. I don’t even remember his name, I only vaguely remember a wild night with the college hockey team at an off-campus party. Only now do I consider the irony of how I was attracted to college athletes in school – the type of men who liked being in control.” The man this woman ended up marrying, furthermore, was described as a long-haired, motorcycle riding, bohemian–no surprises here, despite the man’s probable SWPL sympathies).
Clearly, there are some minor variances in sexual market preferences across cultures, but the organizing principles always remain the same–no sexual market would actually REWARD uber-beta SWPLness.
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Tood —
Real men who reject anything but the very most basic parts of feminism don’t push strollers either Tood. Front papooses are just ridiculous on any man who pretends to masculinity.
Deprogram yourself from radical feminism men. Jeeeessshhh.
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So far I count zero men who most regulars here seem to agree are alphas, who support men pushing strollers or wearing a papoose.
Zero.
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Actually, that is a great idea I just came up with.
Instead of bombing buildings and subways (and hence inviting military retaliation which Muslims can never win in, despite their asymmetrical guerilla tactics), the best bet for Islam to make inroads into the West is to move from a terror strategy to a mental warfare strategy :
Present themselves as an attractive ideology for Beta Men burned by divorce court. Islam will promise to make Sharia Law applicable for Muslims in the West, thereby winning converts.
Islam is already trying to win over low-income blacks in prison to become suicide bombers, but that is a bad strategy.
Instead, offer a positive path for burned Western Men, and thus win many middle-class, and upper-middle-class converts.
I think I will write a letter to CAIR and Hamas’ US branch outlining this suggested strategy.
This will not, of course, radically re-make America, but it will do enough to force feminists to (finally) engage in an overdue clash with Muslims. That will be fun, and solves many problems at once.
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Josh said:
“What’s he supposed to do? The guy has kids. Having kids isn’t Beta.”
True, but we don’t know if the kid in the papoose is his, do we?
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I don’t see anything wrong with a stroller. It is practical in the same way that a shopping cart is.
Now, if the man is pushing the stroller while the woman is carrying nothing, THAT is Beta.
But a man pushing a stroller by himself, I don’t see that as a problem.
In order to make the kid tough, however, no more strollers after 24 months. The kid walks, like nature intended.
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Tood – you are an idiot – stop de-railing the thread
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Beware the “kid backpack.” They are unsafe. The mother bends down to pick something up and the kid falls out forward. The papoose is also bad because it’s hard for a baby to breathe right.
Obsidian – I dig your stories of you and your ol’ man. You seem like an old school guy. Don’t you want a son of your own? Being 40 is high time so you aren’t too old when he’s a teenager. You and Brown Sugah / Nurse (same person?) a possibility as far as that goes?
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A long time ago I was with a friend of mine and we saw one of these urban sissies walking down the street with his kid in a papoose. We both instantly recognized how ridiculous and effeminate it looked. We laughed. My friend remarked that a child being carried in a papoose by a man would probably have some sort of developmental problems from trying to suck on his father’s nipples, as if his father were actually the mother and the baby could nurse while she carried it in the papoose, which is probably one of the reason’s they were used to begin with. I am not sure, but that is my guess. The poor kid, grasping for, even sucking on those man nipples when no boob milk can come out of them, wondering who is really the mother and who is the father??? Such bliss for the feminists.
Well I am sure right now at some university some feminist is thinking of ways to encourage/force scientists to develop the technology to make male nipples produce milk so the papoose world will become more gender neutral.
These papoose wearing men started appearing about 20 years ago. I bet the guy carrying the kid in the papoose was himself papoosed by his father, turning him into the gender confused adult that he now is.
I wonder how many Indian males actually wore papooses? My guess is few if any. I could be wrong though. If am right, I bet any Indian male seen with a papoose would have been first scalped and then burnt alive by the other Indians.
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“Tood – you are an idiot – stop de-railing the thread”
How is it derailing? Open your small, shut mind.
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However have you never heard of the concept that caring for infants is *wait for it* women’s work?
Meh. I don’t regard taking the infant for a walk as “womanly”. I enjoy it, and I enjoy him enjoying it. It is better now that he is older and can throw the ball, run, jump, and climb, but the pre-walking stage was good, too.
Certainly the AmerIndians from whom the papoose is borrowed had.
In a hunter-gatherer society, that was true, but that’s not where we live right now.
Though your father might have been a bit circumspect with just out and out calling it that and refusing for that reason.
Nah, my dad was pretty forthright about never doing a thing to help my mom with his kids. His lack of interest in me quickly became obvious, and I resent him for it to this day. I hope to have a better relationship with my kids.
Before you start talking about her high powered job and how you had more free time than her — well yeah. That’s part of the problem too.
In point of fact I have the higher-powered job. Even if she had no job at all, though, I wouldn’t mind taking my son for a walk. As I said, I enjoy it. And I don’t give a damn who sees me doing it, either.
BTW, Tarl, you can get kid backpacks.
Yeah, I know, we have one of those, too. I didn’t regard it as much more “manly” than the papoose, and I have enough personal confidence not to feel emasculated by wearing the papoose.
Would it help if I told you I always carried a concealed Glock whenever I wore the papoose?
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So, the sky is falling. When is it going to completely fall? I don’t need a specific date. I’d just like a decade.
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Tood – they are both death cults –
Feminists have more in-common with them than us.
Watch in the next 10-20 years, the next trend will be Western feminists wereing headscarves and converting / marrying them.
You are assuming that Feminists are geniune – they are not – they are just a tool in the destruction of the west.
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Beta male classification. At least whatever my fried brain can produce right now:
– Herb: an average, inoffensive guy with nothing being really wrong with him, except that he lacks assertiveness, Game, charm, or anything that impresses others as to him being an interesting person. Subspecies: (a) the de-balled family man, (b) the unsure-of-himself single guy
– SWPL: a snarky, effeminate, arrogant specimen ruled by his status-crazed females. Subspecies: (a) the left wing activist, (b) the chip-on-his-shoulder sulker, (c) the former child-prodigy, or at least womeone who grew up all his life listening to how smart and special he is and hasn’t gotten past that
– Hipster: the non-alpha varieties are artistically inclined (but rarely artistically-talented) poseurs who compensate for their lack of success in love or career by affecting an artist’s pose.
– Emo: a withdrawing and sensitive type who wears his emotional scars that stem from an adolescence of abuse by stronger boys as a badge of pride. Subspecies: (a) goths
– Nerd/Gamer: a broad category of males with very masculine minds and personalities who withdraw from the world of women by pursuing geeky male-oriented interests such as compulsive video gaming
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You’d better save those tabs…he may come back lookin’ for ’em!
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I_Affe
So, the sky is falling. When is it going to completely fall? I don’t need a specific date. I’d just like a decade.
It will really being to start in 2013.
Western men Alphas, Betas, and Omegas of all strains will wake up one morning and look around and see that all / most western women are over 35-40yo.
Most people who look like us will be old – grey hair will be the norm, 1 in 100 women will be attractive
We will have nothing to fight for, strive for, work for, we will realise our culture is dead and re-treat to our bunkers.
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I don’t know exactly how to explain it, but there’s something offensive about pushing a stroller. However, my Irish grandpa, who was very much a tough working man (he was a teamster and foreman at the local brewery — his wife never wore pants or even drove a car), used to push me around on a stroller when I was very small. He’d take me for walks down into the woods in a local park every morning. But I guess when you’re a tough old man you don’t have much left to prove.
The thing is, babies are a woman’s job. I know this because I had to take care of my daughter all by myself quite a bit when she was still arguably an infant. It was no picnic, and I could barely handle it, but I did. If mommy is in the picture, there’s no reason a man should be caring for an infant — men just aren’t equipped for it. It is not only humiliating, but counterproductive.
How would women feel if they were asked to change tires or jack up a car? How about split wood or hammer nails? Many may say “I can do that,” but the truth is that the vast majority of women would look ridiculous trying to do these things. There’s even a good chance they’d hurt themselves.
Probably one of the biggest problems in society now is that our economy and technology have evolved to the point where these man jobs simply aren’t as valuable or necessary as they used to be, but child care, due to the immense amount of time involved in raising children, remains a very important job; unfortunately it simply doesn’t pay. So men are increasingly useless, and you have guys getting shoved into the unnatural role of raising small children, whereas a father’s equal involvement with children should start around school age, when the kids are capable of doing a lot more for themselves and need the discipline and instruction that best comes from a masculine figure.
Unfortunately, young men simply don’t have all that much to offer, so the deal they get stuck with is often pretty lousy. In a number of major cities, young men are already out-earned by young women. This obviously changes power dynamics. This is why you see these guys with papooses.
This is not the first time this has happened, and it always ends in social disaster. What do young men do when they find themselves unneeded and pushed around by society? In most cases they eventually start banding together and taking things. I think we’ll see a lot more rejection of society’s mores by young men pretty soon. The bitchier and more imperious women get, the faster the seeds of insurrection will take root.
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I am the only one who has to suppress an urge to mug every hipster he sees?
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You are assuming that Feminists are geniune – they are not – they are just a tool in the destruction of the west.
Exactafuckingmundo!
As I’ve said earlier, feministm consist of mentally ill women and lesbians. Not even high-T career women are feminists, they just find some of feminists’ arguments convenient. And SWPL college girls are just parroting what they think is fashionable.
Again — feminism is a marginal movement of mentally ill women and lesbians. But certain global-corporate, political and cultural elites find them useful, so they use them for their own purposes.
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PA –
Interesting Beta male classification. I’ll point out that only the last category, the Nerd/Gamer, is strongly associated with an inability to get women. Hipsters often score all the time, as do at least some Emos. SWPL’s and Herbs are generally not PUA’s, but they tend to be the sort of men who have wives or girlfriends.
Peter
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Hey PA,
Nah, the Well Endowed Nurse & Brown Sugah (who’s no slouch in that department either) are different Women; the former has a serious killer rack & is lightskinned & a bit shorter than me; BS is pushing 6′ tall, brownskinned like me, w/a killer set of thighs. What can I say, me likes variety. 🙂
And as for the Legacy, I’m working it, I’m working it…
As for me, yea, I guess you could say that I’m kinda oldschool. My Daddy taught me that way. Oh, here’s a story I think you’ll like…
I told this story as a eulogy to my Dad athis funeral, I made the Preacher sitdown because he didn’t know my Dad. & he was very impressed but then The Obsidian comes from a long line of Preachers.
Back when I was about 16 years old, my Dad was able to get a big concrete job, at a rowhouse in South Philly. It was Summer, and HOT.
The job was:
We had to knock down the roughcast walls and buckled up floor of the basement
Put down a new floor and smooth concrete walls
Teardown the dryrotted stairwell and then install a wrought iron, spiral staircase, w/each step being inlaid w/concrete
And, we had ONE DAY to do it in, because that was the only way we could get the job. The lady that owned the place had to be the Devil’s representative on Earth, every 15 minutes threatening my Dad that if he messed the job up she was gonna sue him.
Crew: Dad & me.
Equipment: Sledgehammers, shovels, mixing pans, arc welder, iron/steel. No cement mixer-I *was* the cement mixer. No jackhammer-my Daddy broke up all the concrete himself. Getting all that would inflate the price of the job, and it was important that he underbid everyone else. Hence the reason why it was only me and him.
We got started like 5AM, and finally got done around 2AM the following day. I thought I was gonna die. My Daddy took only ONE break, to eat something round dinner time. I thought we were gonna knock off for the night round 10, when he snarled “keep mixing that mud, boy”, which I did.
I made 2K from that one job. The Devil’s Rep was satisfied she didn’t sue Dad, & I learned the importance of never quitting. Never, ever, quit.
O
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To be honest, I never liked any of the extraneous baby equipment much.
A Glock 26? Not bad, but I still prefer J-frames for CC.
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if, while papoosed, you shaped the child’s head into a pointed tip with the time honored tradition of head shaping, then that’s alpha.
tifficus has spoken.
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Obsidian —
Great post.
Respect. To you and your Dad both.
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Racer X – too late, they’ve won!
male lactation is real
http://brainblogger.com/2009/04/01/fathers-milk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation
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dougjn It’s emasculating and blurs sex roles far too much, at their reproductive and child care core.
How is it emasculating to play with & carry your infant child? Impossible. It wasn’t emasculating when you were making him or her. screaming like a little girl during “those” moments. Those native Latino men I see carrying their children don’t look effeminate one bit.
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Children in general are annoying…but my genes must strive on.
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Mu, your dad sounds like a good man.
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I agree schoolboy but well behaved children are very sweet.
Mu, I want you to hold your son. Children need affection from their parents, otherwise they will seek it from other sources.Mu, brown sugar can’t do it all. All that squirting leaves her dehydrated and weak.
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Iron/Peter —
Yeah only the nerd / video gamer is associated with the type that gets NO women at all, under any conditions.
The others however generally have a lot of trouble getting casual or semi casual sex (semi meaning she’s trying out a relationship, she thinks, but puts out quickly). This and other factors of their betatude tend to strongly affect the nature of the relationship they can pull off. For one thing they are usually the ones who are left, not their gf’s. And they’re frequently doing everything their girl wants, always apologizing, and conforming to her schedule, etc. OF course these are generalizations and there is a continuity rather than a sharp clear disjunction.
I will agree that it seems to me of all the beta types who adopt a significantly different style than most alphas, rather than just being less good at it (as is typical of many career successful higher betas), the hipster style betas seem to tend to be most successful. There is a lot of room there for rebel leaders, etc. However, I’m not sure how well this generally ages into a guys thirties.
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Chic Noir–
That is simply DISHONEST chic noir. Nobody and certainly not I said that playing with an infant child is emasculating or that ever carrying him or her is, under any circumstances.
What I did say is that being expected to be the primary or equal care giver to infants is emasulating for men.
All high civilizations and virtally all civilizations period have thought so. Your “impossible” is an utterly ABSURD feminist deduction from ideology idiocy.
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Welmer The thing is, babies are a woman’s job
Welmer you broke my heart.
Welmer, you do know some women snap or have problems raising small children? You also know that is many cultures, women had grandma and other females around so they wouldn’t be forced to do it all by themselves. One of the many reasons I think we should regress to the extended family model.
I’m going to let you in on a fact that is not often discussed amongst American women.
Sometimes we don’t feel like being bothered either. Sometimes children pluck our nerves too. At times we hate how much they depend on us for every single thing. We hate how they destroy our bodies (no natural children for me my 23inch waist is mine). We hate how our marriages fall apart after the children come. We hate how we feel exhausted after having run after them all day. We hate how we must take all types of verbal and physical disrespect from them because the law says so. We hate how we are often left holding the bag after boyfriend/husband walks away.
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dougjnn
Just because something was or has always been a certain way doesn’t mean it must remain that way. Remember for long periods most human societies thought that slavery was ok. Don’t forget that for a long period in time, people didn’t wash their bodies often for fear of catching an illness.
I guess we must agree to disagree or better yet I won’t be having a baby with you 🙂
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Racer X- why do men have nipples? One possible reason is so they can “breast feed” their children. That is calm a child down even though no milk is produced.
If you are looking for a good neighborhood the best indicator is father involvement. See the 2nd guy walking down the street and that is a safe neighborhood.
My kids are the only thing I really care about. That being said I recognize valid points. I have run into men who seem to be competing to out mother the mothers and it makes me shake my head. Also, I love my kids more in the abstract. That is, I love them and they give my life purpose, but 10 minutes a day is all I can take without yelling at them and my wife.
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Pupu does not care whether this guy is an herb. He is adorable. Nobody could pull off a kangaroo look better than a handsome guy like this one. And the baby kangaroo looks totally adorable too. This pair is 100 times more adorable than the handholding boy pairs Pupu always runs into at Dupont Circle.
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Chic,
LOL
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Chic Noir–
No Chic, you won’t.
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“If not for the need to change diapers, most new mothers would strangle their infants.”- C.S.H.
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How would women feel if they were asked to change tires or jack up a car? How about split wood or hammer nails? Many may say “I can do that,” but the truth is that the vast majority of women would look ridiculous trying to do these things.
And some of us would just do it without any commentary.
There’s even a good chance they’d hurt themselves.
And that would be solely because they were never instructed properly, not because women are inherently incapable of these tasks.
What I did say is that being expected to be the primary or equal care giver to infants is emasulating for men.
How does one photographed instance of a guy carrying his kid morph into him being the primary caregiver? Just because a woman will do the majority of the caregiving doesn’t mean that Dad won’t have to sometimes carry the kid.
Also, Tarl has the attitude of a true alpha.
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When my kids were infants, I used a papoose. They are pretty herb, but are convenient for walking around. Babies don’t complain when they are in the papoose. You tend to forget about the babies being there. It isn’t really a bonding experience.
I do agree that it is risky for men to be the primary caregiver for kids.
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Obsidian
You and your Dad sound like true Americans to me.
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The problem I have with discussing race is that I was raised to think that discussing things about someone that he or she was born with & could not change was very bad manners until proven otherwise. I mean, if someone says they are Republicans or Dems fire the fuck away at them. But being short, or black/asian/etc. or male/female – it just seems wrong to get into making blanket critiques. Call me old fashion.
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Good classification by PA. Worth Bookmarking.
The Nerd/Gamer classification is an interesting one. While many of them cannot get women, there are many more who decided that the game-playing required to get even 6s and 7s was not worth it, and video games are, on balance, better entertainment.
This brings me to another point made my Welmer :
“Probably one of the biggest problems in society now is that our economy and technology have evolved to the point where these man jobs simply aren’t as valuable or necessary as they used to be,”
True. The invention of the vacuum cleaner, stroller, washing machine, microwave, etc. freed women far more than feminist activism has.
BUT, men are the only people who invent things. Major inventions are 99.9% invented by men.
The maligned Gamers/nerds who are not able to score women in the modern world (where in the past, their provider capacity would earn them a good wife) will invent their way out of this problem too.
I have said before that while men are competing against a legal system that in increasingly biased against them, women are soon going to be competing against technology.
By 2020, video games will have 3-D, holographic displays and tactile interfaces. This will easily make porn simulations acceptably realistic enough that many Beta males will decide that daily VR sex with a different 10 every time is better than pursuing 6s and 7s at great expense and hassle. The market value of all women 8 and below will plunge, and while many will still manage to marry, they will face far steeper competition than they do today.
Furthermore, while I am skeptical that sexbots will happen any time soon (as robots to replace soldiers, factory workers, and construction workers will happen before that), if a moderately realistic sexbot is eventually available, it will greatly diminish the power of many women.
So, however which way you look at it, the technology-given power of women is peaking.
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“As I’ve said earlier, feministm consist of mentally ill women and lesbians. Not even high-T career women are feminists, they just find some of feminists’ arguments convenient.”
Yes and no. It is true that only a few fringe, weird women are radical femiists, they have managed to get the divorce and custody laws to be shockingly biased against men.
Mainstream women, and men, somehow have let this happen without stopping it.
Men in America today are treated in much the same way blacks were under Jim Crow laws, around the 1950s. That a few fringe feminists have managed to warp the laws this dramatically is a serious matter.
If they had not managed to do this, feminists would a subject of fringe ridicule, much like the Skinheads, La Raza, and Nation of Islam are.
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See? Just as I predicted. I knew a woman (or something crudely approximating one) would pop up and say that she can do these things as well as any man.
No, you’re wrong. It would be because women are physically weaker, and have poor mechanical aptitude compared to men.
Leave it to some dyke who calls herself “Marcus” to come gurgling the same bullshit we’ve all come to expect.
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“No Chic, you won’t.”
Haven’t we already established that black women, with extremely few exceptions seen only on TV, are generally not considered beautiful by men of any race?
Ethiopians can look better than West Africans (from who Western Hempisphere blacks descend), but that is it.
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GNP,
What we’ve establshed is that, White Men WILL hump Sistas in a heartbeat so long as their peeps don’t find out about it.
Any questions?
O
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“””””””””””Doug,
Yeah only the nerd / video gamer is associated with the type that gets NO women at all, under any conditions.”””””””
The video gamers already have invented something. The ability to kill the world. Add up the statistical data on kills in all online video games. I am pretty sure it will equal the worlds population or even more. That is what gamers will help with.
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“No, you’re wrong. It would be because women are physically weaker, and have poor mechanical aptitude compared to men. ”
Indeed. When women’s basketball, women’s boxing, women’s softball, and women’s soccer get anywhere near the audience that men’s versions of that sport get, then the Marcus dyke will have proven her point.
Some sports are suitable for women (gymnatics, synchronized swimming). There isn’t much money in those, however.
I don’t see little girls choosing to play with legos, even to build their own doll-houses with.
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@rum-no, call you a decent person.
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“What we’ve establshed is that, White Men WILL hump Sistas in a heartbeat so long as their peeps don’t find out about it. ”
er….no, they won’t. And you know it.
A ‘sista’ who is an 8 or higher, yes (in which case, no white man would be ashamed in the least of what he did). But a black women of such beauty is extremely, extremely rare outside of TV. 75% of black women are overweight in the real world.
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Welmer I do have to say that woman in the wild are a lot tougher than you would think. But yea still can’t outfight a man. But my womans mom did have a foot long phillips screwdriver and was willing to go down to death when the local thugs came to visit. Shit was surreal. Woman really are tough. The problem comes in when they want to be “men” and do not allow themselves to be woman. Her mom is still all woman. Hard to explain.
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Thanks for sticking up for me Mu.
@GNP- A large number of the blk women who are in bw/wm relationships are Blk West African Women. Pull the stats darling.
BTW I’ve never had any problems attracting men. You on the other hand have problems attracting women
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“A large number of the blk women who are in bw/wm relationships are Blk West African Women. ”
Pull the statistics, toots. BM/WW is much more common and BW/WM.
“BTW I’ve never had any problems attracting men.”
So you claim. Why is it that you refuse to post a picture of your whole body?
“You on the other hand have problems attracting women”
Actually, I don’t. I have studied, and practiced, Game for quite some time.
Why do you hang out here anyway?
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*sigh*
OK, so you mean to tell me you wouldn’t tap Sanaa Latham or Kerri Washington if you could? Right?
Riiiiiiight…
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O,
Not a great example.
Kerri Washington’s plastic surgery:
Does her new nose look more or less typically African?
More or less typically Caucasian?
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Both are quite fine, btw.
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GNP I was posting about among BW who are married to WM. I was not arging that more BW versus BM have married out.
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Eh, it’s really not that big a deal. We’ve got one of those crazy Guatemalan wrap carriers– they’re comfortable and they keep the baby quiet. My husband used to be tickled to wear it around when our older son was an infant.
(nowadays we’ve got so many little kids that the double stroller is our second car.)
Maybe this guy’s wife was at the dentist or something. God forbid the rabid whore-beast get her teeth cleaned till the kid is eighteen.
Days gone by, women had Granny or a spinster auntie nearby to watch children as needed (upper-class ladies of course would have had a nanny or a slave on-call at all times) and thus never had to trouble Dad much with childcare.
Now that so many of us live many miles from trusted family and slavery is abolished, sometimes Daddy’s got to suffer the crushing indignity of infant care.
I swear, people with no kids give the most absurdly impractical childrearing advice ever.
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“OK, so you mean to tell me you wouldn’t tap Sanaa Latham or Kerri Washington if you could? Right? ”
You have just proved my argument, and disproved your own spectacularly.
ATTRACTIVE black women would be ‘tapped’ by all men, and they would be proud of it, not hide anything.
But where 15-20% of young white and Asian women rate as an 8 or higher, less than 0.1% of young black women do.
That is why one rarely sees an attractive black woman in real life. Sure, the 30 beautiful black women in all of America have careers in the entertainment industry. But 30 is a very small in such a large country.
Does your feeble mind comprehend now? Will you admit that a far smaller percentage of black women are beautiful, relative to white and Asian women (as widely agreed on this board and elsewhere)?
You yourself have jerked off to pictures of non-black women far more often than to black women. Admit it.
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So you claim. Why is it that you refuse to post a picture of your whole body?
YOU must be new here. I’ve posted a pic with my whole body. Too bad you missed it.
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Steve,
OK, so we couldn’t use a lot of White stars either, right, because A LOT OF EM got surgeries done too-right?
I mean, my God, where does it stop? We got millions of lightskinned Black Americans running around in this country. If that aint proof enough for anyone, what is?!
O
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LOL OMW thats why sometimes a guy has to move where there is the family available for extended child care.
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Steve Johnson, I didn’t see a pic of Kerry’s nose job on that site.
FYI, Sanaa belongs to Whiskey so you should back off.
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Your typical white man wouldn’t have any problem with another white guy messing around with a black woman. It is white women who really have the biggest problem with it. Kind of like how black women hate it when black men shack up with white women.
However, the most aggressive responses I ever got from strange men simply for being seen with a woman was when I took strolls with a very good-looking mixed-race girl. She wasn’t even my girlfriend, but these black guys just went absolutely apeshit when they saw me walking down the street with her. They’d even start yelling at me from across the street!
I have never seen a white man so openly condemn a black man for being with a white woman, but these black guys were making death threats every time I went out in public with this girl (from across the street, of course). That was a real eye-opener for me! Talk about insecurity…
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See? Just as I predicted. I knew a woman (or something crudely approximating one) would pop up and say that she can do these things as well as any man.
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No, you’re wrong. It would be because women are physically weaker, and have poor mechanical aptitude compared to men.
Have you ever spent any time on a farm, Welmer? No? I thought not. Everyone involved had better know how to do pretty much everything they’re capable of doing. There’s no room for prima donnas who say, “That’s not my department.” Work is work, and everybody had better pitch in to do whatever needs doing.
Gunslinger knows what I’m talking about.
Leave it to some dyke who calls herself “Marcus” to come gurgling the same bullshit we’ve all come to expect.
Have you ever heard of Marcus Aurelius? It’s a play on his name because I admire his philosophy, supergenius. And have you ever read any of my previous comments? Apparently not, because if you had, you’d know that I’ve never spouted any bullshit, nor towed any party lines. Nice ad hominem attack, though.
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Please watch dave chappels block party will answer all questions.
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You wouldn’t have caught me dead in one of those front-facing papoose thingies. Message 1 is “I wish I could be a pregnant woman,” and message 2 is “My arms are too weak to hold my 15 pound child.”
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Marcus I am actually thinking along the lines of a lion pride. I am willing to let the woman do all the work and be the ceo that makes sure there work is meaningfully built into something.
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“YOU must be new here. I’ve posted a pic with my whole body. Too bad you missed it.”
So post a link to your earlier posting. There are always new people on a blog.
…unless the picture wasn’t all that….
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Yeah, the extended-family model is really the way to go, Greg. Wish we lived a little closer than we do– three hours drive is too far for it to be much use for childcare help.
But that life comes with its own set of pitfalls, too. My BIL is going nuts with his mom constantly knowing all his business, tells us “y’all just don’t know how good you got it out there.” LOL.
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Of course you know after spending some time as a lion building resources. Getting bigger (money in bank) Stronger (money in bank) Faster (money in bank)
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“but these black guys just went absolutely apeshit when they saw me walking down the street with her. They’d even start yelling at me from across the street!”
Surely you recall the post on this blog a couple of weeks ago, where a white marine and his attractive black wife were murdered by 4 black Marines.
He was their colleague, but that be damned. Marine honor code be damned. The black men murdered the white marine and his black wife.
This proves that a black woman of beauty is so rare, that if she dares to be seen with a non-black man, that man is likely to be killed (as is the woman).
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I repeat, despite the efforts of feminist women of one kind or another to encourage and stroke and praise any men they can find here who have no problem with pushing strollers on a regular basis or wearing bought to fit him papooses, ZERO men who seem to be generally regarded as alphas by the regulars here, have said they support the practice.
Now understand, I an emergency I might push a stroller but I’d sure as hell regard it as my woman’s job and not mine. If she feels strongly otherwise we aren’t having kids — and probably aren’t going to be together for more than a fling either.
When I say “feminist women” not that I’m not talking about radical feminists or women’s studies majorrs. Almost all gen y secular women who aren’t very independent thinkers and or haven’t made a real effort to see other sides to the issue (perhaps by being very attracted to an alpha man who did) are deeply feminist programmed.
This discussion of whether infant care is “women’s work” or whether that’s horrible and scandalous, is ample illustration of that.
Take stock gen Y guys. And deprogram yourselves.
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What percentage of Roissy’s posts degenerate into arguments about black women?
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What we’ve establshed is that, White Men WILL hump Sistas in a heartbeat so long as their peeps don’t find out about it.
Any questions?
Even if true–and it isn’t–all that establishes is that it’s considered a step down for white men to hump niggers.
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Yes from now on I will just say this omw watch dave chappels block party it dispells all myths.
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Yo Doug, do guys get a badge for becoming an officially-recognized internet alpha male or something?
Have some kids, then get back to me about how to raise them properly. You’re as bad as my 75-year-old unmarried great-aunt sometimes.
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OMW —
Yeah, can be if close. Depends, as you say.
For stay at home middle class moms of infants and young children who can’t afford help or when older babysitters, why can’t they sometimes swap with female friends in a similar situation, when they need to get out of the house to do things like shop or go to the doctors, or the gym or whatever?
Although sure, dad looking after the kids on a Sat morning while mom shops is not what many if any of us are against.
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What percentage of Roissy’s posts degenerate into arguments about black women?
I wish they didn’t. The black women here are cool (Chic and Kthula) and there is no need to be a dick. With Chic it’s enough to sweetly show her the error of some of her views.
By the way, Obsidian, I read your story about the house renov. job. Damn awesome!
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OMW
When Obsidian is around, nearly all of them. When he’s not, not many.
I respect him in many ways but I’m sick and tired of this constant thread hijacking.
Of course white guys could ignore his repeated needling and insistent probing on this.
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GNP,
Question: how many Black Women do you actually know? 10? 20? 50?
Have you ever been to a Black family reunuion? Been to a Black church? Been on the campus of a HBCU? Been to a Black funeral, or wedding? I mean, exactly where do you get this information that makes you seem so surefooted? Id really like to know.
As for the horrid story of the 4 Black Marines killing the mixed race couple they should the book and then some thrown at em. Period.
Having said that, it’s hardly representative of Black folks, Marines included (the highest ranking enlisted Man in the USMC is Black btw), and I’m always amazed by the lengths and extremes some of my White brothers go to “prove” “see! They bad too, no, worse!”. Come on, let’s actually use our heads here.
O
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A lot of stay-at-home moms are pretty transient, and live in a pretty transient society– ’bout the time you get to know another gal enough to trust each other with kids, someone’s husband gets a job in another state, and you have to start all over again.
Life’s tough.
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“why can’t they sometimes swap with female friends in a similar situation”
I have a friend with small kids. Both him and his wife have high-paying jobs.
They belong to a local parents network, where members watch each other’s kids, accrue ‘credits’ that can be used when they need their own kids to be watched, or need a trip to the airport, etc.
So it is a small economy of working mothers supporting each other. I doubt it is rare.
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*Still waiting for GNP to answer my question…*
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Omw, your correct.
GNPs are for Apes, you are a troll in the same vein as that Tokyo character. We have covered this topic almost everyday for the last two months. Let it go.
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Mu, don’t pay him any mind. He’s doing it for attention.
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I rather like Kthulah and chic myself.
Chic would probably have been able to tell me that the black pumps I bought last week are actually a half-size too big and are thus condemned to forever flop disgracefully off the back of my foot. 😦
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PA The black women here are cool (Chic and Kthula) and there is no need to be a dick
thanks
Dougjn, No it wasn’t Mu. GNPr4apes is the culprit.
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Why yes, I have spent some time on a farm. Both in France and in China, where manual labor is the norm. The women in China get out and plant seedlings, while the men do the jobs that require upper-body strength. In one fond recollection, we killed a sheep for a most excellent barbecue, and the old women mopped up the blood and boiled the head. The young ones served us tea and liquor and then warmed our beds.
Oh no, I’ve never heard of Marcus Aurelius. Your oh-so-clever little wordplay totally escaped my notice. NOT!
You are a woman who models herself on a Roman philosopher, which is absurd. Do you know the origin of the word “virtue?” Do you think Aurelius would have seen some spoiled American woman with an inflated ego as the rightful heir to his ideas?
Pietas dictates that you should shut up in the presence of men and take your place as a woman. Or did you miss that part? How convenient, and how typically female to overlook the fundamentals…
Your presumptuous defilement of ancient, received wisdom only underscores the folly of attempting to give women equal status in the realm of thought.
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Thanks OMW.
Return them if you can otherwise use dr Schols(tp) foot bad to fill in your shoes. BTW, always buy shoes in the afternoon when your foot is largest.
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“*Still waiting for GNP to answer my question…*”
I answered your question, and showed how your question proves my point, and disproves your clain, spectacularly.
Since you are too dense to grasp English (perhaps I should try to write in Ebonics?), I will repeat :
All men would happily ‘tap’ an attractive black woman like Halle Berry or Beyonce.
However, less that 0.1% of black women are 8s or higher (as opposed to 15-20% of white and Asian women).
There are probably only 30 black women in all of America who are 9s and 10s. All of them have careers in TV, films, or music.
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Chic would probably have been able to tell me that the black pumps /// always buy shoes in the afternoon
Why must every thread degenerate to women talking about shoes and nails??? Nooooo!!!
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Obsidian,
I have attended colleges that have a large black student body (Univ. of Michigan and U of Penn, if you must know).
I can safely say that virtually none of the black women there are good looking, despite this being the peak age of beauty. 75% of the black women were overweight.
But substantial portions of white and Asian girls were beautiful.
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Obsid I said I grew up with black people work with black people lived with black people watched them do the shit that is sterotypical and you didn’t want to answer any of my fucking questions. Now don’t try the your white and can’t know any of this shit crap therefore they can’t talk about it from the know. I am from the know and you wouldn’t talk with me.
Oh and for any who want the real deal watch dave chappels block party. Then you to will be in the know.
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Chic Noir,
I have yet to see evidence that you posted any picture of yourself here. If you did (and happily announce it), why not link to it?
……unless it wasn’t all that…..
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GNP,
LOL. UPenn does NOT have a “large Black student body”.
HOWARD has a large Black student body.
Have you ever been there? I see Black Women who look like Halle and Beyonce all the time on the bricks here in Philly.
Holla back
O
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Aw, PA, have mercy. It’s the only thing we can discuss without committing intellectual defilement.
ooh, look! Metallic sandals at Zappos!
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Obsid I highly suggest you walk through the all black hill district in pittsburg to see what a black world looks like as well.
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gnpI have yet to see evidence that you posted any picture of yourself here. If you did (and happily announce it), why not link to it?
GNP keep searching the archives buddy. I’m sure you’ll find it.
@omw-gilt is having a sale on Loubons starting tomarrow if you are open to spending an insane amount on your shoes.
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I like Kthulah too, as a person. A rare woman with a mature mind.
But she does not claim to be beautiful. That is the topic at hand.
Obsidian refuses to admit that black beauties (and Mexican Aztec beauties) are far rarer, as a proportion of their populations, than white or Asian beauties.
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PA–
Yeah but if the girly girls are gonna go that way, Suicide Blond does it right: fun, funny and titillating. It doesn’t hurt that she’s HOT. Yeah, that’s her.
Hookers Get Gas Too.
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GNP,
What I refuse to concede is this notion that White Men don’t or won’t fuck Black Women: they have, and many worlwide, still do.
That’s all I’m saying.
O
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Too rich for my blood, chic! Anyway, out here in Nowheresville, high fashion looks way, way out of place.
But they are beautiful and inspiring.
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Obsidian,
I see you did not deny that U of Michigan has a large black student body.
Michigan has about 4000 black students. That is a large enough sample size to judge, and is about half the size of Howard’s total population.
U of Penn has about 1300 black students. Not to mention the surrounding West Philly area.
So now you are arguing that black female beauty can only be judged if the student body is 95% black, and that it cannot be judged if only 15% are black?
More likely, the all-black student body at Howard lowers the standards of men, since they don’t get to see white and Asian women often. A 10 at Howard is a 7 at a cosmopolitan university.
A mixed college like Univ. of Michigan is the best place to judge the relative beauty of ALL races.
You don’t actually know how to present arguments, do you?
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Obsidian–
Yes you’ve said it. And nearly all here have agreed that you’re right, they do. Virtually all white guys continue to insist that they’re far less attracted to (West African origin) blacks than whites or Asians, but you keep wanting to ignore that, without really entirely disagreeing. Most white guys also agree that some degree of sS.African admixture in white girls, esp. when it’s considerably below 50% can ENHANCE looks. Something like a 1/8 mixture can especially, if you ask me. But others have seemed to agree. Though certainly some of the more racialist whites here don’t want to go there at all, that much is true.
Does that about cover it? Can we drop it now?
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OMW, in NYC those things are now seen as obcene. For the most the brand is very plain. 600 for a pair of patent leather shoes heck no.
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Well, I have to disagree with guys who are saying that very few black women are attractive. A large number of young black women are built like a brick house. It is only the hair and the facial features that turn a lot of guys off. I’m sorry to say it, but nappy hair is just kind of nasty. The black skin isn’t that bad, and actually kind of interesting to a totally white guy who’s only used to that pale, pink skin.
There are very attractive black women, but those ones with the flat noses, receding chins, spastic hair and dumb look in their eyes are not all that appealing. Of course, that isn’t to say that there aren’t plenty of dumb, butt-ugly white and Asian chicks as well.
Frankly, it’s mostly the hair and the nose. I don’t know why black folks didn’t breed out the nappy hair a long time ago, but I guess that’s nature’s choice — not mine.
Was that totally non-PC of me? Probably. Oh well.
BTW, my very white dad had no problem with black girls — I’ve got a few half-black siblings in addition to the white and Asian ones he spawned over the years.
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GNP
Asian women don’t seem to do that well in some parts of Europe. Do you have any idea why?
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“What I refuse to concede is this notion that White Men don’t or won’t fuck Black Women: they have, and many worlwide, still do. ”
You still aren’t comprehending my answers. Let me make the letters bold so you can relate to them :
ALL MEN (white and otherwise) want to fuck a black woman who is an 8 or higher.
BUT ALMOST NO BLACK WOMEN ARE THAT GOOD LOOKING. IF THEY WERE, THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE.
Yaknowhaimmsayyinn?
(hey, I’m trying to communicate with Obsidian)
There are only 30 black women in all of America that are 9s and 10s. All of them have careers in TV, film, fashion, and music. They are far too rare to see even 1 per year in real life.
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welmer I’ve got a few half-black siblings in addition to the white and Asian ones he spawned over the years.
They will never accept you over on the Front now.
*watches as mark in the ark gives welmer the finger*
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Watch Dave chappel’s block party to get an idea of why there is a massive trade imbalance between black and white.
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white guy who’s only used to that pale, pink skin.
Pink? white skin is light beige, with stronger value added as you go toward the mediterranean, which makes it more brown.
Extremely fair whites (redhead Irish) are simply very light beige.
True-blue Nordic blondes (male and female) are probably the culmination of the human evolution toward the apex of beauty. And they are neither white nor pink. More like some divine hue of milky-blue/cream color. Neither my family nor I are of that appearance, btw.
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Noir you not allowed to fuck with my chosen race. 🙂
I will let all die but asians even if it means my demise. Obsid was right on the suicidal tendancies of whites he he he.
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What I refuse to concede is this notion that White Men don’t or won’t fuck Black Women: they have, and many worlwide, still do.
Sure they do, but it’s an outlier phenomenon. It’s considered a step down, like masturbating to porn or pumping and dumping the barely literate chick who takes your fast food order. That’s why to the extent it’s done, and it ain’t much of an extent, it’s done furtively.
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Sometimes to cure cancer you have to cut out some good flesh with the bad.
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I don’t agree with Wounded Animal. A black 9/10 is just as valuable and attractive as a white 9/10.
Except that there are only 30 black 9/10s in all of the United States of America (all of whom can be seen on TV). The ‘Miss Black America’ pagaents don’t even have many attractive contestants.
Luckily for Obsidian, he is a man. If this were a black woman, the appropriate name would be ‘Obese-dian’
heh heh heh heh
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GNP,
Anyone who tries to make the case, that UPenn has a large Black student body, w/a serious face, tells you all you need to know about just much said person actually knows about Black people.
O
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“Anyone who tries to make the case, that UPenn has a large Black student body, w/a serious face, tells you all you need to know about just much said person actually knows about Black people. ”
Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point.
What about Michigan, then (which has 4000 black students)?
Methinks Howard is where people go to forget what a beautiful woman looks like.
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don’t agree with Wounded Animal. A black 9/10 is just as valuable and attractive as a white 9/10.
Except that there are only 30 black 9/10s in all of the United States of America (all of whom can be seen on TV).
Actually, this proves my point: universally attractive black women are outliers, like black or Aztec geniuses.
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“Actually, this proves my point: universally attractive black women are outliers, like black or Aztec geniuses.”
This is true. Obsidian refuses to accept that. He also thinks that a university with 4000 black students and 25,000 white/Asian students is not a suitable place to compare black beauty to white/Asian beauty, but a black college with 10000 blacks and almost no whites/Asians
somehow is.
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GNP,
So, you actually were able to examine all the Black Women on UPenn’s campus? Is that what you’re saying?
O
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Obsidian,
Avoiding the main point. Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.Avoiding the main point.
You are not even reading my answers. It shows that you know I am right.
Almost no black women would ever be universally rated as 9s or 10s, even though white men wish MORE black women were beautiful. Period.
If you cannot admit this in print, you are dishonest.
It appears that even Obsidian is not attracted to black women. Except since that is all he can get, he desperately wants what HE can get to be rated more highly in the broader world. Except that it isn’t, much to his dismay.
Yep. I think I have figured Obsidian out.
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You got to love this kind of unabashed, hot, funny slut.
Or anyway I do. (Marriage or a real live in LTR though, not so much. Doesn’t seem much danger of that either though anytime soon.)
You go Suicide Blond:
If the Rev. asks you to get Naked…
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Nice breakdown of the herb taxonomy. A man in a papoose doesn’t deserve the name “man.”
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GNP,
? I’ve dated quite a few White Women and could date more if I choose to. In fact just the other day I could have scooped up a White gal who looked like she came from Germany, what w/her features and flaxen blone hair. But I wasn’t in the mood.
Btw, several of my girlfriends in the past just happened to be blondes like that. Funny, because I actually prefer brunettes and redheads, which I’ve sampled too. Nice.
Anyway, my point is that, for an educated Man, you certainly don’t speak like one.
Saying things like there are only 30 truly beautiful Black Women in the entire country is downright silly. Especially since you haven’t been to places like Howard U, or like I said, to a Black family reunion, of where there are lots of Black Women known to be in attendance.
Look GNP, I don’t knock you or anyone else’s sexual preference in a Woman. Got no problem with that in the least.
All I’m saying is that White Men can, have, do and will, fuck Black Women. That’s it.
Ok?
O
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Obsidian,
You still just can’t read what is written.
The topic here is the relative lack of beauty of black women (which is acknowledged on this thread by people other than me). But at the rate you are going, the topic will expand to the lack of reading comprehension skills of black men.
Again :
ALL MEN (white and otherwise) want to fuck a black woman who is an 8 or higher.
BUT EXTREMELY FEW BLACK WOMEN ARE THAT GOOD LOOKING. IF THEY WERE, THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE.
Exactly what part of the boldface text do you not understand?
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“Saying things like there are only 30 truly beautiful Black Women in the entire country is downright silly.”
I don’t think so. I have observed black beauty pagaents, and even at the national level (Miss Black USA), over half of the contestants are not attractive. It is telling that entire states like Alabama, South Carolina, etc. cannot find even ONE attractive black woman to be a beauty contestant.
30 black women in all of the USA would qualify as 9s or 10s. All can be seen on TV in some form or another.
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GNP,
Yes, I know what you’re saying, and I reject it. Not out of some sense of racial pride but because its simply a stupid premise of yours.
You can’t even name 30 Black Women you know on a first name basis, yet you deign to declare, once and for all, forever and ever Amen, that the whole country (and possibly the entire World) can only “yield” 30 or so “beautiful” Black Women?
Ooooookaaaaay…
Again, one would expect better of one who attended such top tier schools. You’re giving the Ivys a bad name.
😉
O
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PA:
True-blue Nordic blondes (male and female) are probably the culmination of the human evolution toward the apex of beauty. And they are neither white nor pink. More like some divine hue of milky-blue/cream color.
Sort of like my Clio, who I imagine as being bathed in an ethereal glow, bluebirds flitting about her flaxen hair which wafts in the wind like strands of gossamer, while the music of the Spheres delicately thrums in the background.
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Another fun, fun Suicide Girl post.
I think that girl’s her teenaged sister. In spirit anyway. Hot much? Or really the teen wishes for a mentor like Suicide Girl.
dirty sexy beast…
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Just out of curiosity, Chic, could you outline what it was that I wrote that bothered you most?
Call it scholarly interest.
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You have to live in a nonwhite country to really appreciate how pink fair-skinned white people are.
Certainly, the color of the skin without the blood is a very light beige, but the blood can be seen through the skin. When I’d finish a regatta my face was so full of blood I’d be almost purple.
As for the Nordic people being the apex of beauty — I’m not so sure. I’m a Celtic/Nordic mix, and I find that our women are often somewhat bland and featureless, and not always so well-built. Personally, I’ve always been partial to Iberian women.
BTW, there is nothing uglier than a red-faced, blubbering Nordic woman who is trying to reach out for sympathy when she’s done something wrong. And trust me, they do resort to this all the time. I never really understood why the darker races of men feel such sympathy for them in these circumstances.
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What, pray tell, is an appropriately alpha mode of child conveyance?”
For the uber alpha samurai Ito Ogami it was an armoured baby cart with concealed weapons
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Chic Noir
Now THESE are insanely expensive shoes that look worth it to me.
Strippers, Hipsters and Cops.
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Obsidian,
I am not speaking for the world, but I can safely say that the United States has no more than 30 (at most 40) black women, at any given time, who a consensus of men would rate as 9s or 10s.
There are 38 million black people in America.
About 20 million are women (55% of the total, given how black men like to kill each other when young).
About 20% of these, or 4 million, are women between the ages of 18 and 33
Of these 4 million, only 25%, or 1 million, are not obese.
Of these 1 million, about 0.003% are 9s and 10s.
That comes to 30 black 9s and 10s in the United States.
You are also ignoring that dougjnn and Wounded Animal also wrote, on this thread, about the rarity of beauty among black women.
You know it is true.
You claim that I have not seen enough black women despite going to the University of Michigan for 4 years. I doubt you know how to distinguish between Japanese, Chinese, and Vietnamese women on facial features. Not many of those at Howard.
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If we take Wentworth Miller in Prison break, i think its season 2 where he run around with a black bag on his back, that would be a pretty nice new dad design, instead of the pink aerodynamic baby design right know.
And i think carrying the baby on shoulder is more manly then pushing the baby wagon through the city.
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GNP,
Actually, I know a little bit about the physical differences between certain Asian groups, as I’ve spent considerable time among them; I probably can name more Asian Women than you can Black.
I didn’t address the whole “9 & 10” thing not because I’m harboring some deep dark secret about the inherent inferiority of Black Women, but simply because that’s not my windmill to tilt at, it’s yours, so have at it. Had nothing to do with my point at all.
Black on Black crime, I fail to see your point there.
And, you mentioned first and foremost UPenn. In fairness you also mentioned U of Michigan. Fair enough.
Again, got no problem at all w/your personal tastes. Or Doug’s, or anyone else’s. Just merely noting what actually has, is and is most likely will continue, on the ground is all.
Oh, and if you think most Black Women are obese, you definitely need to get out more. I see tons of skinny or otherwise thing Black Women all the time.
O
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“Oh, and if you think most Black Women are obese, you definitely need to get out more. ”
er…no. 75% are overweight, and probably half of the overweight are obese. Queen Latifah and Jennifer Hudson are clinically overweight, FYI. It is possible that your definition of being fat is much more generous than clinical parameters.
As a male, you call yourself Obsidian. If you were a black female, you would instead be ‘Obese-dian’.
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Both in France and in China, where manual labor is the norm.
Really? France is one of the largest producers of food in Europe while llabor costs are very high. Surely, French agriculture must be highly mechanized.
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Here is a Roissy-ready story with herb attached: note especially the co-author.
http://news.msu.edu/story/6152/
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We should all send that MSU professor a note saying that disgusting fatbodies should be discriminated against!
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Anymore stories of fucking the gf’s of herbs? Roissy? Racerx?
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I’m an unmarried perpetual bachelor without (as far as I know) children, and I admit when I see these guys I often feel a sneer of contempt building up inside me. But to be fair, and speaking from a practical side, if a single dad is taling his kids out for a walk, and he has one in a stroller and the other is an infant that has to be carried–how else is he to accomplish this? You joke about his manly grip on the stroller, but if he’s taking his baby out for a ride in a stroller, I hope he does have a fairly strong grip on it.
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How to spot a non-herb:
This may be useful for some readers.
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You know, I hear sometimes that Asian girls are hotter than White ones, say, but there are also plenty of White guys who, when push comes to shove, prefer a girl of their own race anyway.
My poor husband could have had his pick of petite Japanese girls, but chose me instead.
Who can say why? Cultural familiarity, biologically wired preference for endogamy, whatever.
He say’s it’s the blonde hair and boobs, and kindly doesn’t mention my oversized shnauz. (thanks for that one, Dad! lol.)
No self-respecting Japanese man would have had anything to do with me, though, except to satisfy some sort of exotic and perverted fetish– and, you know, no thanks.
Watching some Asian dude and my husband argue about whether white girls are worth fucking would be about like watching y’all argue with Obsidian.
Why does he “have to admit” that the black women he loves are second-rate, if they aren’t to him?
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> there is something entirely wrong with caring for your child
> by carrying it in a papoose. native american *women* used
> papooses.
I don’t give a fuck about native american whatever, since I am not an american but russian. I have been carrying my boy in a papoose, since it is more convenient when you hike and need your hands free. I have been pushing his stroller. I have also kicked my ex-s ass and divorced her when she turned into a bitch, and now in a LTR with a girl 10 years younger than I am. And fuck anyone who thinks that caring for your boy make you any lesser man. Yes, I live in NYC, but my girlfriend is russian too, since american women are just plain boring.
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how else is he to accomplish this
Herbhood is a net sum of a guy’s herbish and cool qualities. If herbish ones predominate, he’s a herb.
Although I don’t picture myself carrying my son in a papoose, I might on occasion wear knee-length cargo shorts. But even then, I’ll look athletic (thanks to decent genes and the gym) and will not have that lost and confused look on my face that herbs have.
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PA,
You know, I know Roissy makes a big deal out of the whole “droopy pants” issue, and believe me, I got no love lost for that kind of style in the hood-but I gotta tell ya, I can’t make those tight pants a goodly number of my White brothers wear either. Now I ain’t knocking per se, because I respect a Man’s right to wear what he likes and can afford. But I think the notion that “knee length cargo shorts” that aren’t form-fitting is among the hallmarks of a “Herb” is a bit much to me.
All of my pants, including my suit pants, dress slacks, etc are a bit roomy-they have to be, because I’ve got a behind and thighs as a Black male. Most Black Men do, and I’ve you or any other White Man here has played sports w/Black Men and shared locker rooms and the like with them, you’ve seen this firsthand. The physiogomy is different, and most Bruhs tend not to like such close fitting attire.
Now again, let me be clear: I am NOT talking about the droopy pants foolishness we see all too often I Urban America in more recent times; I’m speaking to I suppose, a more “relaxed” fit kind of pants, slacks, etc.
Do you see what I’m saying here? Does that make any sense?
O
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“Again, one would expect better of one who attended such top tier schools. You’re giving the Ivys a bad name.”
Harvard: the Michigan of the East Coast
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Obsidian – Loose-fitting pants have been fashinable for many years now. But I think Roissty’s problem is not so much with the loose-fitting look as with the excess droopy fabric at the ass.
But that wasn’t always so. Since we’re of similar age we both remember the 1980s, when the tight-fitting pants were in style for guys. It was all about showing off the legs, ass, and the package (while snuffing out the brave little soldiers in said package!)
It was probably similar for blacks as well as whites, as far as I recall black musicians on album covers, for example. All in tight pants.
There was a brief mid-80s Miami Vice craze for white parachute pants, and the early 90s tight-wasteband / extral-loose McHammer pants too.
But tight pants have their use and will probably make a comeback one day. They are better on tall skinny guys (like me in high school), who can look like a bowling pin in loose pants. But today I go with the ass-accentuating (yes, I know that sounds gay) comfortable fit pants, since by now I’ve developed an upper body.
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OMW,
Thank you so much for the comments. And you’re right-the Japanese tend to be, rightly or wrongly, ethnocentric in a way that puts many Jews to shame (and for the record, it doesn’t bother me one bit what either group chooses to do).
Your expanded perspective, of actually spending extensive time with people of other backgrounds and cultures, stands in stark relief to the comments of many, many others here, who sound like they got their sage insights from a book or two, not from actual interaction with real people-then, have the audacity to argue you down if you dare to disagree with them.
Again, please note that I never took anyone to task for their personal preferences, hey, that’s life and we move on. But to make the cases these dudes were trying to cobble together, I mean, c’mon.
Pardon my language, but the reality is that a Man will fuck any Woman available to him when he gets wood and wants a warm spot to put it in. We all know this, and most of all, Women know this. They don’t call it the Downlow for nothin’.
That’s all I’m sayin.
Thanks again.
O
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PA, unfortunately, tight pants are semi-back already. Hipster fucks love them, despite having small packages. Its only a matter of time before it trickles mainstream—heck, I had a chick buy me a pair once.
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PA,
LOL! What a blast from the past, yea I recall those “parachute pants” of the 80s-I bought a pair, and bust em at the seam in the seat of the pants. Never did it again.
But you’re right, the Rick Jamesl of the world definitely did the whole tight pants thing, but strangely enough, no one in my social circle followed suit, though we all knew who James etc was. That might have had something to do with the burgeoning Hip Hop scene, where the staple gear was the warmup “sweat” suit. And that couldn’t be tight because you had to be able to breakdance in it. I know I had darn near a closet full of sweatsuits-mostly Nike & Puma-so yea, I recall those days well.
Anyway, thanks for the memories andth clarification on Roissy’s points.
O
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Hipster fucks love them, despite having small packages.
Hah! comment of the week! and true.
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And Obsidian – how could I forget breakdancing clothes. that was 1984, and I had just arrived in the States. What did those guys wear, do you remember? can’t breakdance in tight pants. Was it athletic sweats?
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GNP,
We agree that both Hudson and Latifah are w/o a doubt Plus-Sized Women; no argument there. What you tend to leave out is that, at least in the latter’s case, its very easy to see that QL is a “big boned” Woman, and would look hideous trying to get down to like, a size 6 or something.
I actually met QL many years ago when she first began her rapping career; at the time she had a local hit called Wrath of My Madness, and everyone loved it because of her lyrical skills and flow on the mic. She was big boned then-not fat, as in, roly-poly beachball-just “healthy” as we say in the hood. She’s tall for a Woman, at least 5’9″ or so, and again she’s not ever gonna look right in a dress size many White Men find or at least profess to find appealing.
Have you ever met either ladies, GNP?
Now, yes, Black Women are indeed more overweight than White Women by comparison. True dat. That said, again I maintain, that I can get on the El or the Sub and see dozens of size 6, 8 or evn 4 Black Women every single day. Without my fishing for them.
Perhaps you might want to try it sometime. In he great words of Yogi Berra, if you look around, you see a lot.
O
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dougjnn —
http://www.okcupid.com/profile/velvet_edge
You’re welcome. 🙂
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gunslinger:
Marcus I am actually thinking along the lines of a lion pride. I am willing to let the woman do all the work and be the ceo that makes sure there work is meaningfully built into something.
Well, how you choose to handle the division of labour is entirely up to you! 🙂 I was pointing out only the absurdity of the claim that women are incapable of doing that sort of demanding task simply because they’re women. As well as the implication that merely being capable of handling physically demanding tasks automatically renders a woman unfeminine. If you can bake a cake, you can change a tire: it’s largely about being instructed properly, and being capable of following instruction.
angry welmer:
You are a woman who models herself on a Roman philosopher, which is absurd. Do you know the origin of the word “virtue?”
Why yes, yes I do. Do you think moral excellence is something of which only men are capable? I certainly don’t, and how I live my life is a testament to that.
Do you think Aurelius would have seen some spoiled American woman with an inflated ego as the rightful heir to his ideas?
If he lived today, yes, of course he’d see women as heirs to his ideas. He can be excused as being a product of his time; what’s your excuse?
Why would you assume I’m a) American, b) spoiled or c) possessed of an inflated ego? You assume much, and know nothing whatsoever. I am none of these things, nor have I ever espoused support for anything except everyone making themselves as competent as their abilities allow them; try and either succeed or fail on your own merits.
Your farm experience has clearly been different from my own; perhaps having fewer hands requires those hands to be more adept at more kinds of labour. You should consider yourself fortunate: not everyone has it that easy.
Why is your sense of manhood so shaken by the fact that I can change a tire or chop some wood, if it’s required of me? Being able to do those things doesn’t preclude me also being able to cook or nurture my family, or wear a dress and be demure.
Why should the competence of a woman you don’t even know drive you into such a bitter, spitting rage?
The fact of the (original) matter is this: if you should ever reproduce, the chances are good that you are going to occasionally be called upon to carry your infant offspring, whether you like it or not. If you think that using a practical tool for that purpose makes you less of a man, then don’t use that tool. If you think that occasionally carrying your own infant or changing the occasional diaper makes you less of a man, then perhaps you’re not really father material.
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I’m an unmarried perpetual bachelor without (as far as I know) children, and I admit when I see these guys I often feel a sneer of contempt building up inside me.
Yeah, and I felt much the same way before I had kids.
One thing you immediately learn as soon as you have kids is to ignore the opinions and advice about children and child-rearing of people who do not have kids. It’s like listening to a blind man tell you what colors look best on you. One can only regard such advice with amused indifference!
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PA,
Very good question.
Although I never actually did it myself, I obviously saw many, many good friends, highly talented, do it. They wore a kind of warmup suit that was made of tough nylon: as I recall, Nike was the first to put it out, and was quickly followed suit by Adidas, Puma, etc. That nylon composition of the jacket and pants made it slippery enough so that they could do the moves and so on on a piece of linoleum they would layout on the floor/out in the street, etc. And other breakers would wear more standard fleece style sweats, some even wore the “velour” sweats. I owned all the variants, like I said I mustve had a full closet of the things, etc.
While I’m on this point, something else I was very, very proud of, was in being something of a trendsetter-like I said yesterday, I earned money on the weekend working with my Daddy doing contractng work. So I was able to get the newest/latest gear, straight outta NYC, since my DJing mentor spent a good deal of time up there, buying records and so on.
I remember when the Nike Air Force Ones came out-it was around the time when the Sixers won the NBA title. And the poster featured Doc, Chocolate Thunder, Moses Malone and Bobby Jones, all in silver Nike warmup suits, and standing on what looked like a tarmac w/a Learjet in the background. Jones was standing in the middle since he actually had on the AFOs. They were white w/the silver “swoosh” stripe and matching ankle strip.
I ran straight to a suburban sneaker shop called Dimmer’s and copped em immediately-they about 65$ at the time, quite expensive.
I. Was. The. Man.
🙂
O
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QL isn’t “big boned” she is just fat.
As the quote gones: “You don’t have any bones in your ass, fattie!”
QL’s been a dyke forever. Dykes prefer their butches manly and masculine, a corruption of the man as protector role. Her being a fat lard gives the dykes some protection.
I can remember when “Living Single” tried to promote her as a some sort of plus sized sexy. Yeah, Godzilla is not.
Her body is used to being lardy, hence why we are all accustomed to thinking of her as plus sized.
If she lost the weight, she’d be thin.
No such thing as big boned.
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It seems like the average gf of the herb is fairly loyal, usually b/c she is a cute but prudent ‘nice girl’. Is this accurate or are there any anecdotes about perfidious herb gfs?
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Lurker,
While her sexuality is wholly irrelevant to the discussion (since I’ve known lesbos the size of my sister-whos a 0 and has been for years, even after birthing a son & twin girls and had a career in fashion modeling), I definitely will concede that when I first met QL, I could tell immediately that she was a dyke-her mannerisms and the like were a dead giveaway. And, contrary to what you often hear about Hip Hop circles, no one bothered her. Everyone knew that QL got down like that long before Set It Off. We only cared about her rapping skills on the mic. Period.
Now, going back to the topic-again, I met her face to face back when she first came out, in the latter 80s. Of course, she’s gained weight since then, but even then, she was a big boned gal, man. I’m telling you. I know. I met her face to face.
O
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O, she was a fat gal. She never had to slim down because she was getting some lipstick honeys.
And her sexuality is relevant here, in that as an obvious butch, she can man up and lard up.
Lipstick lesbians are girlish, but they’re usually genuinely bi. Every lesbian couple has at least one ugly, mannish butch: Ellen, Ronson, Cynthia Nixon’s fat troll dyke, etc.
QL is fat. She could lose the weight. She didn’t back then and doesn’t now.
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They’re aint no bones in your ass, fat ass!
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Why is there no herb post on this omega herb?
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“Is this accurate or are there any anecdotes about perfidious herb gfs?”
Frank, I once read a disgusting story (maybe posted here)about a hipster herb who had a one night stand witha girl who casually had another man there as well–and hipster *went down on the guy* and said it was beautiful.
herbs are bitches/gimps, not tom cats. The women usually cheat on them and force him to watch her get gang banged.
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Are you sure the guy was a herb though?
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I think of herbs as being more conventional. They wouldn’t condone bad female behavior but they would blame themselves for it and they wouldn’t participate.
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PA usefully described them as goofy and relatively sexless “Dudley Do-Right” types. They can have slightly hipster tendencies i suppose, but one night stands don’t seem to be their thing nor sexual abandon of any sort.
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one night stands don’t seem to be their thing nor sexual abandon of any sort.
That’s how I see it too. Herbs are Squaresville.
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PA usefully described Herbs as sexless goofy “dudley do-right” types. Perhaps there is a selection bias where the girls who pick the herbs don’t cheat because they pick them knowing exactly what they are getting into (because they broadcast that) and are resigned to that compromise. My suspicion is that most women don’t enter into relationships planning to cheat, they cheat because sexual zest fizzles eventually. But Herb relationships may never have had sexual zest and this was known from the beginning. The girls who date herbs are either the rare ones who enter in planning to cheat or the sort who are willing to sacrifice some sexual excitementt for what the herb provides. My guess is that most herb gfs fall into the latter camp and thus most will be less likely to cheat because they aren’t likely to suffer from the pain of unmet expectations and concomitant search for new excitement, they knew what they were getting into. The trouble for the herb is getting the gf to begin with. But then again, if there seem to be no shortage of women willing to sacrifice romance and lustful love for what the herb offers these days.
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Lurker,
Come, let us sit down and try to reason, one to another.
Would you agree that there is likely to be a difference, size and weightwise, between a Woman who’s 5′ tall an another who’s 6′ tall?
Now, I’ve dated Women of both heights. My personal experience has been yes, there can be and usually is a difference.
I’ve dated at least half a dozen Women at or exceeding 5’10” tall, and NONE of em are dyke butches. None.
My point is that we have to be a bit more precise about things here. Not too much to ask, right?
O
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By completely beta-izing himself the herb may be able to capitalize on the ingrained female desire for providers that the average man who has some alpha tendencies cannot. The alpha and the herb represent the two poles of what females want from men: lustful love and secure-love respectively(though the poles do not have equal magnetic strength!). The herb is quite successful in some aspects of love because he embodies a real aspect of what women want. The herb won’t be as successful or as free as the alphas, but it’s possible that some betas might do better becoming complete herbs rather than sticking with their own mix and match of alpha and beta tendencies that fails to capitalize effectively on either archetype.
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“Would you agree that there is likely to be a difference, size and weightwise, between a Woman who’s 5′ tall an another who’s 6′ tall? ”
—O, this isn’t about height. It’s about proportion. QL is fat because she looks fat. Plenty of woman her “height” aren’t the truffle-shuffling pigs she is. Why? Because they don’t go snout-deep into chocolate.
Wait, I think I just made a pun. 😉
If QL quit overeating, she’d be thin.
No such thing as big boned.
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To change a tire is to work on the Car, a very masculine symbol.
To carry a baby is to take care of a baby, a very feminine symbol.
The subconscious of most people is adding masculinity or femininity into a task that may not necessarily be either. Because of this, while a woman may be viewed as cool for changing her own tire, a man will, by most, be looked down on for wearing a papoose.
You may be a very rational person, but do you think everyone else is?
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W/all due respect Lurker, you don’t know what you’re talking about because I met her in person, years ago before she gained her current weight, and you haven’t. And, I’m telling you, that things like height and the like do make a difference, especially for a Woman.
O
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O, just because you worship at the feet of poptarts doesn’t mean your fantastical defenses of their shortcomings are true.
Bitch is fat. Case closed.
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@Tood
I don’t understand why people in the West are so opposed to Islam, anyway, if they’re
a) Not Liberals
b) Not devout Christians
I’d like to see it spread here not because it would scare feminists, but because it would spread Non-Liberality
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There, there Lurker, let’s be civil, OK? Fact: I’ve actually met the lady, face to face, back before she gained the weight that we both agree has occured in the years since.
You, on the other hand, have not.
O
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c) believers that beer is a sign that God wants man to be happy (while hangovers being evidence of His sense of humor)
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2013 civilization collapse got it. I just marked it on my calendar. I’m surprised no one said 2023 or 2042.
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“What I refuse to concede is this notion that White Men don’t or won’t fuck Black Women: they have, and many worlwide, still do.”
Maybe I’m jaded but I like black girls.You rarely see such curves on whites,and never on Asians.The skinny blonde,while sometimes nice,usually just doesnt do it for me.
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I fuck lots of black bims. Lately, since they all think they’re Michelle O, it’s tapered off.
I miss my chicken n waffles
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“”””””””””””””””Marcus Aureliette,
Well, how you choose to handle the division of labour is entirely up to you! I was pointing out only the absurdity of the claim that women are incapable of doing that sort of demanding task simply because they’re women. As well as the implication that merely being capable of handling physically demanding tasks automatically renders a woman unfeminine. If you can bake a cake, you can change a tire: it’s largely about being instructed properly, and being capable of following instruction.”””””””””””””””””
But the thing is this don’t fuck up and think because you excercise or are into kung fu that you can physically take a man in one on one combat. That would be where you lose your womanly edge.
“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Marcus Aureliette, If he lived today, yes, of course he’d see women as heirs to his ideas. He can be excused as being a product of his time; what’s your excuse?
Why would you assume I’m a) American, b) spoiled or c) possessed of an inflated ego? You assume much, and know nothing whatsoever. I am none of these things, nor have I ever espoused support for anything except everyone making themselves as competent as their abilities allow them; try and either succeed or fail on your own merits.””””””””””””””””””””
This is where you waaaayyyyyy overcompensated and revealed your hidden agenda and also showed that it is not about you being able to do the same labor as a man but that you are exactly equal. This will be shown to be not so in an ass kicking contest. Don’t you think woman in his day were rather strong but also woman? I think the reason woman are feeling inferior now is because there is a noticeable lack of them in the fields that require physical labor and with all the media attention of woman kicking mens asses in movies and also being told we are exactly equal and should recieve equal pay. So in order to believe in equality but then having that staring you in the face would be an irony that would be hard to live with. I don’t think woman from the day of Marcus would of had the same problem of trying to be men as they already were woman.
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I threadjacked.
On subject, I believe that the papoose rig for men is intended to teach them how to breast feed their children.
TLC has become a wasteland of fat heiffers squirting out the beta clumps of a fat, simpering husband while he coos admiringly in the OR
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Not civilization collapse affe just a one sided war or utopia by 2040.
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Without guidance from authority, yes.
You think Aurelius needs you to excuse him? How presumptuous…
a) you come from a farm (or at least you say you do) and speak English, which is extremely rare for foreigners from outside the Anglosphere. So I’m going to say that if you aren’t American, and you really did grow up on a farm, you’re either Canadian, British, Aussie, NZ… you get the picture.
b) You believe in the concept of meritocratic advancement, despite widespread affirmative action (in your favor).
c) You model yourself on a philosopher.
Chinese peasants have it easy? LOL. Not saying I’m a Chinese peasant, but I have stayed with them, and trust me: their lives are far from easy.
Seriously, how many women who say they can do this actually can? I think it’s a self-indulgent fantasy in 95+ percent of cases.
BTW, your typical dyke who can do these things is NOT capable of being “demure.” Don’t you get it? Some things are masculine, and some feminine.
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You haven’t read my earlier posts, eh? I’ve changed more diapers and taken care of babies far more than I ever expected. I have carried my children, cooked for them, bathed them, changed them and put them to bed countless times — far from “occasionally.” All without help from a woman.
All of that work made me pretty competent at doing so, but it certainly didn’t come naturally to me, as it does for women. The same goes for women who work on cars or fix things around the house: they can learn, but it’s easier for a man.
I am angry at women like you because you are too thick to understand that simple truth, and continue to force your idiotic ideas that men and women are equally capable at all tasks down our throats. I grew up with that “Free to Be… You and Me” crap, and I despise it.
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Obsidian,
Returning from where we left off.
Queen Latifah : Fat. While a big-boned person could be thin, big-bonedness is very unfeminine, period. Her face is actually good, though. However, she certainly has spent a lot of time and money straightening her hair.
One thing you must concede : most fashion-conscious black women don’t want ‘nappy’ hair, and go to great effort to straighten it.
That attempt to mimic white hair is sad, as I actually found the female Afros of the 70s attractive. I wish that stuck on, as I never saw a woman with such an afro in real life, as I am not old enough.
Now, coming back to other points : We have established that I have seen enough black women to comment. U of Michigan has a lot (where I was for 4 years). UPenn has fewer, but is in West Philly. I was there for 2 years (as opposed to 4 at UMich). I also lived in Cleveland, and in New York (taking the subway).
So I have seen enough black women to judge. I have concluded that black women who are 9s and 10s (30-40 in America) are far rarer than billionaires (400 in America).
Now, any woman higher than a size 6 is clearly (and clinically) overweight, IMO. Even some 6s are borderline. It appears you think even an 8 is not fat.
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Mu but the reality is that a Man will yuck any Woman available to him when he gets wood and wants a warm spot to put it in. We all know this, and most of all, Women know this
Agreed Mu agreed.
Welmer a) you come from a farm (or at least you say you do) and speak English, which is extremely rare for foreigners from outside the Anglosphere
If he is under 35, there is a good chance he is from Scandinavia or the Netherlands since English is very popular there and I think in some places a mandatory class(school).
All of that work made me pretty competent at doing so, but it certainly didn’t come naturally to me, as it does for women.
It doesn’t come naturally to us either. Why do you think there are so many new mothers classes. In some cultures, grandma or older women from the village step in to help new mothers.
The same goes for women who work on cars or fix things around the house: they can learn, but it’s easier for a man.
My tall manly friend, don’t’ fool yourself. It’s easier for a man because he has brute strength and women don’t like to get dirty. Nothing more nothing less. There are to many men in my age group who can’t fix anything.
GNPThat attempt to mimic white hair is sad, as I actually found the female Afros of the 70s attractive
They actually mimic Asian women and the preferred hair of those who str8en their hair is that of Indian women or Ethiopian & Somoalian women(see Liya kabede and Yasmin Warsame).
One thing you must concede : most fashion-conscious black women don’t want ‘nappy’ hair, and go to great effort to straighten it.
Actually, natural hair is found more often amongst the middle class educated set who have the money to be fashion forward. It the underclass who wear the extravagant but at times delightful and intriguing weaves.
btw, Queen latifah is natural. She str8 her with a pressing comb, if she wants to sport an afro tomarrow she can. Michelle Obama is natural as well.
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DougjnNow THESE are insanely expensive shoes that look worth it to me.
Strippers, Hipsters and Cops.
Yup that’s the brand Omw and I were discussing.
Welmer- it was joke about your blk siblings.
PAIt was all about showing off the legs, ass, and the package (while snuffing out the brave little soldiers in said package!)
LOLROF
@MU- Have you noticed more brothers wearing tight paints? Cause that hole 80’s RUNDMC look is back with a vengeance. You can thank Jimmy for that btw. I see pleanty of brothers rocking hipster skinny jeans. It looks very good when their thin but if the guys has some bulk, muscle or fat, then it’s not a very flattering look.
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Chic,
Excellent retort to GNP on my behalf wrt hairstyles. Like I said before, he needs to get out more.
Also: I recall Run-DMC very well, but I specifically remember the “Tougher than Leather” look they had, which retained the iconic Stetson hats and Adidas sneakers and trunk gold jewelry, but they wore blue collar style workman’s jeans and jackets, kinda like Carhart? And I remember them wearing overalls that’s sort of thing. In any event, that look wasn’t tight and form fitting, but rather a lot closer to what say, State Property’s Beanie Siegal would wear today.
Early on in the 80s, Lee Jeans brought out two-toned jeans in many colors: Guess Jeans really got its start around this time too, and I recall a number of guys rocking the skinny jeans look. Like I said, I got too much thighs and behind for it, and considered the warmup suit a Godsend, LOL. That kinda eliminated the need for me to really bother with fooling around trying to find the right fit.
As for a kinda wider trend of the skinny hipster jeans style coming back among the Brothas, I don’t see it, but admittedly, I think it could very much be a class thing-although I know many people from all walks of life, my homebase is among the Working Class, and there you just don’t see many hipster looking bruhs, LOL. I know you’re a fan of Pharrell and his style, and while all of us Brothas know who he is and respect him, nobody I know is gonna run out and jump on a skateboard or wear skinny jeans, LOL.
So, I think that’s something more envogue among a subset of Black Urban/Suburban America, who would fit in with the Mos Def/Pharrell/to an extent Kanye’ West crowd. Guys who admittedly tend to have a bit more crossover appeal to Whites than say, Cassidy or Oscino Sparks.
Besides, most African American guys ain’t built like Barack Obama, but closer to 50 Cent or Suge Knight or Jadakiss-can you imagine any of them actually trying to pull off what Tupac or Pharrell, much slimmer guys, can do? Not a pretty sight, LOL!
Btw-ever heard of Mantronik? He’s a kind of “elder” to Pharrell. Contrary to the views of some, Hip Hop had a Techno/Electronica edge to it going back to its inception-Soul Sonic Force just to name one iconic group. And Kraftwerk’s stuff was all the rage on the bricks: Numbers, Pocket Calculator, Tour de France (Turbo’s scene “poppin’ & lockin’ to it in the “Breakin'” movie is a must see), Trans-Europe Express-we loved it all.
Ok holla back 😉
O
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Don’t know where the fatherhood discussion has gone or if it’s been dropped, but I wanted to say that there are ways of carrying an infant that are characteristic of men, and thus “manly” in appearance to me. Here’s a partial list:
1) The crook-hang: infant rests/dangles in crook of one arm. Women can do this too but because our arms are smaller and weaker the baby doesn’t feel as secure and may cry. So the look of this method says Man to me.
2) The forearm-sling: infant lies belly-down on father’s forearm. Sucking his forefinger is optional. Again, women can do this too but it’s not as comfortable for the baby, and we can’t do it for as long. The method is thus Manly, and is also great for helping baby to burp.
3) The neck-curl: infant curls up between father’s shoulder and neck, held in place by one hand. Women rarely attempt this one.
4) The bum-in-hand: Infant old enough to hold head up sits on father’s hand and is carried around everywhere that way. Very hard for women.
So, men, if you want to carry a baby around and look masculine, try one of these methods.
p.s. A baby carried by a man who is obviously (by his clothes, demeanour, etc.,) a bachelor, is a girl-magnet. Even better than a cute puppy. Pretty young women will flock around you. Call your married and parented sisters, brothers, or friends and ask if you can babysit. You’ll see what I mean.
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Thanks for the suggestions Clio! Should come in handy real soon.
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Mu Like I said, I got too much thighs and behind for it,
If you wear them, we ladies will enjoy the scenery 🙂
Btw-ever heard of Mantronik?
No but I’m going to google that bro and a lot of Africa Bambota’s early stuff had an elctronica beat. The Hudini song freaks come out at night has an elctronica style beat. BTW, did you know that a very young JD is in the freaks come out at night video?
, my homebase is among the Working Class, and there you just don’t see many hipster looking bruhs,
that’s funny how the look skiped over Philli cause I see it in NYC,b-more and DC. I must visit Philli soon.
Yes I’m a huge fan of Pharrel.
*swoon*
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clio:
A baby carried by a man who is obviously (by his clothes, demeanour, etc.,) a bachelor, is a girl-magnet. Even better than a cute puppy.
nice list, clio. come to think of it, i do have a 1 year old nephew and 3 year old niece i could borrow for afternoon strolls through the park. when they grow up i’ll tell them how uncle roissy used them as pickup props.
PA:
Thanks for the suggestions Clio! Should come in handy real soon.
turn back now!
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PA trying to have a kid!!
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Trying?
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Use the niece. For some reason you score more points for being with a little girl, and little girls absolutely thrive on the attention. Plus, as an uncle you get to have all the fun with the kids with almost none of the responsibility. Even better, your sibling will be VERY grateful to you for taking the kid out — even if it’s only for a couple hours.
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Chic,
JD? Ah! Jermaine Dupri, yes, I remember now. Did you know that Wesley Snipes got his start in Michael Jackson’s Beat It video? Small world, indeed.
Whodini was one of my faves, and their Freaks Come Out At Night has become a cult classic. Quiet as kept they had a very good DJ too, in Grand Master Dee, the green eyed devil. I’ve seen Women toss panties onstage during concerts. Wow.
I remember Whodini put out a limited edition LP of Haunted House of Rock-it was ectoplasm green and kinda glowed in the dark. Really nice to see spinning on the turntable on Halloween, and I made sure to get it because I had a big house party to do up in Logan. Spooked folks out really good, LOL.
You’ll like Mantronik. Syrian born, he shaped a good bit of Hip Hop’s sound in the 80s and early 90s, producing such acts as Just-Ice, T-La Rock, Joyce Sims, and Nocera, just to name a few. He’s still around, having relocated to the UK in more recent years, now a remix DJ.
I tell you someone else I liked a lot back in the day-UTFO. Had a lot of nice hits, and they also had a nice turntablist, a guy in a Ninja suit named Miz Master Ice. In fact, they started one of Hip Hop’s biggest franchise hits, the “Roxanne, Roxanne” series of songs.
Hip Hop had such a rich tapestry of sound and real talent, NOTHING like today, trust me. The 80s and 90s, up until about the time of Common, Jay-Z, Biggie and Mos Def, to my mind, kinda marked the end of Rap’s Golden Era.
Checkout the Johnson Crew for more in techno/electronica; Stetsasonic for a Live band long before The Roots came along; the Jungle Brothers, the Black Sheep, Jeru the Damaja, and of course, Gangstarr for some really good Hip Hop. And that’s just for starters.
I can recall where I was when I first heard LL’s Bigger and Deffer album-dude was KILLING the mic, you hear me? Then, when he teamed up with Marley Marl, to my mind ne of the all time greatest Hip Hop producers ever, and made Mama Said Knock You Out, man, what could I say.
DMX, EPMD, Method Man & Redman, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim and of course, KRS-ONE.
Chubb Rock, Special Ed, King Sun, Tribe Called Quest, and the immortal Public Enemy. Their production team, The Bomb Squad, turned out three major hit making albums back to back:
They produced Bell, Biv & Devoe’s “Poison” album in a month; turned around and produced PE’s Fear of A Black Planet album the next month; and finally, produced Ice Cube’s AmeriKKKa album, again, in about a month. All three albums went on to achieve critical acclaim.
It was a very good time for Hip Hop. Yes, indeed.
O
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Roissy:
i’ll tell them how uncle roissy used them as pickup props.
Problem is you pick up chicks who dig you for your herbitude.
Parlaying into the sucky-fucky may be more of an uphill battle.
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gunslinger:
But the thing is this don’t fuck up and think because you excercise or are into kung fu that you can physically take a man in one on one combat. That would be where you lose your womanly edge.
Oh, no, I’d never make that claim.
This is where you waaaayyyyyy overcompensated and revealed your hidden agenda and also showed that it is not about you being able to do the same labor as a man but that you are exactly equal.
No hidden agenda. I say that if I prove myself capable of doing the same labor, why should it bother you if I do? That is not a claim that all women are capable of it, nor that the scale should be made to slide on the behalf of those who aren’t capable.
This is not about kicking anyone’s ass. My point is precisely the opposite! If I can broaden my horizons by being able to help out with “man’s work”, how does that hurt anyone? It doesn’t make you any less masculine, it doesn’t make me any less feminine: it’s just work. If you can do it, do it; if you can’t, don’t.
I guess I just get frustrated when I read comment from guys who complain that women are just lazy, useless, stupid consumers, but then will denounce a woman who dares to know how to change a tire as unfeminine.
cranky welmer:
Chinese peasants have it easy? LOL. Not saying I’m a Chinese peasant, but I have stayed with them, and trust me: their lives are far from easy.
I did not say that Chinese peasants have it easy. I said that having more people appears to mean that individuals can afford to remain specialists rather than become generalists. That requires the luxury of abundant help, which many small farms don’t have.
Seriously, how many women who say they can do this actually can? I think it’s a self-indulgent fantasy in 95+ percent of cases.
BTW, your typical dyke who can do these things is NOT capable of being “demure.” Don’t you get it? Some things are masculine, and some feminine.
I don’t know how many can or can’t. I wasn’t proposing it should be a movement. I said only that some women can, and I’m adding now that they’re not all masculine dykes. I can do these things, but you’d never guess it to look at me. That was my point: you’re willing to dismiss a woman’s feminine worth simply because she knows how to do something you deem “masculine”? One would think you’d be glad for such competence in a mate, or in the mother of your children.
It’s not about competing for the other sex’s job. In the same way any adult should be capable of, say, doing laundry or cooking a basic meal, they should also be at least within shouting distance of being able to change a tire, or shut off the water when there’s a leak under the sink. And I’m sorry if it offends you, but that includes a father being willing to be seen in public pushing a stroller, if the need arises.
All of that work made me pretty competent at doing so, but it certainly didn’t come naturally to me, as it does for women. The same goes for women who work on cars or fix things around the house: they can learn, but it’s easier for a man.
And this is where you’ve got it wrong. It doesn’t come naturally to all women, nor does working on cars or around the house automatically come naturally to all men. For the majority, sure, and I’ve never suggested subverting anyone’s natural inclinations; quite the opposite, in fact. But if an individual woman shows an aptitude for what you deem “man’s work”, or a father *likes* carrying his kid around and uses a sling to keep his hands free, who the hell are you to tell them they shouldn’t be allowed to do it?
I am angry at women like you because you are too thick to understand that simple truth, and continue to force your idiotic ideas that men and women are equally capable at all tasks down our throats. I grew up with that “Free to Be… You and Me” crap, and I despise it.
I have never, ever claimed that all men and all women are equally capable at all tasks. You can be angry at that idea all you like, but it has bugger all to do with me. I never said it. I don’t believe it. Your anger at me is entirely misdirected. But I’m glad that you’re not in charge of what I’m allowed to be good at, that’s for sure.
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You may be a very rational person, but do you think everyone else is?
LOL! No, I’m aware that they’re not. I guess I sometimes do expect more rationality, though, and am disappointed when it’s scarce.
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Problem is you pick up chicks who dig you for your herbitude…Parlaying into the sucky-fucky may be more of an uphill battle.
No no no Tupac. They wouldn’t, er, “dig [him] for [his] herbitude”. They would dig him for his patriarchal qualities. He would look like a Father to them, and they would flock to him as a result.
The real problem with this approach is that the women who respond to it will be interested in marriage rather than flings. But I’m certain a man of Roissy’s experience – or yours, Tupac – would be able to cope with this issue without too much trouble.
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“””””””””””on April 8, 2009 at 8:04 pm Marcus Aureliette
gunslinger:
But the thing is this don’t fuck up and think because you excercise or are into kung fu that you can physically take a man in one on one combat. That would be where you lose your womanly edge.
Oh, no, I’d never make that claim. “”””””””
Then there is hope.
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Bullshit. There is definitely an agenda. You haven’t proven anything — you’re just making arguments like the typical feminist you are.
You say you want “equality” and then next thing we know women are laying claim to their husbands’ life essence by using biased, feminist laws such as VAWA. They are claiming “discrimination” to get into jobs they shouldn’t be in. Why, that pull-up test was sexist! I wouldn’t have crashed that fighter plane if those men hadn’t made me feel insecure. If only the Army developed bionic tampons, I could haul 100lb. packs up the mountains of Afghanistan! Etc., etc.
So you can chop wood and change tires? Post a verifiable picture of yourself doing so and let the men here see for themselves how “demure” and feminine you are.
Nothing turns guys on like a sweaty, thick-armed, heavy-handed woman wielding a wrench or an ax…
So sexy, baby.
Bet you like to be on top, no?
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Obsidian,
I have been out far more than you have. You actually think that unless someone attended Howard University (which would lead to a man rating a 7 as a 10, and a size 8 as slim), they have not seen enough black women in real life.
Plus, why do you need a woman to fight your battles? I thought you were a brutha….
Chic,
You are wrong. Black women were straightening their hair long before there were any significant number of Asians in America. Look at Pam Grier as Foxy Brown in 1974, or Uhura in Star Trek (1966-69).
It just happens that most non-black people have straight hair or wavy hair. All non-African people are descended from just 70 people who left East Africa. East Africans are closer to Swedes and Japanese, genetically, than they are to Nigerians or Khoi-San.
It appears I know more about black details than either of you do. This could explain why black people unthinkingly vote 90-96% Democrat, even though Democrats are the party of slavery, the KKK (Robert Byrd – who is still a US Senator), segregation (George Wallace), etc.
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As I have said before, the reason that fair-minded men hate feminists is :
Feminists are THE most hypocritical group in the world today. More hypocritical than Palestinians, Jesse Jackson, and Euro-socialists.
Feminists don’t want equality – they want special treatment. They want all the benefits of society, with none of the responsibilities or civic obligations. They want equal representation in good jobs that they are not qualified for, but don’t want equal representation in undesirable jobs that men do (construction, sewage, etc.). Nor do they advocate for equal representation of men in female-dominated professions (teaching, nursing, HR).
The biggest hypocrites in human history.
If feminists cared for equality, they would reverse the grossly unfair divorce laws that treat men the way blacks were treated under Jim Crow.
I will also say this loudly :
Anyone who thinks that a woman in the modern day and age is entitled to alimony, effectively believes that women are inferior to men, and incapable of earning their own livings.
No ifs and buts about it. Property division is one thing. But alimony is an admission of female inferiority.
Also, most men want strong, successful, UNHYPOCRITIAL women. Todd Palin has done more to advance women’s rights than any so-called ‘feminist’ ever has. He supported his wife’s ambitious goals of career success and a large family. In return, he has received gratitude and a genuine, loving marriage. Yet, he is no herb. He is masculine, tough, and Alpha.
Todd Palin is the real feminist. Not some aging androgyne hypocrite. That is why feminists and lefty faggots HATE the Palin family : it is because Sarah Palin succeeded without the special treatment that feminists routinely scam the country out of, and still went further in her career than any feminist, AND had a bunch of great kids.
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To be fair, I stayed on a farm in the Auvergne 20 years ago. It might be different now, but the level of mechanization was not even close to what you see here on the Palouse.
French farms seemed tiny and quaint to me, even as a kid. But very beautiful. France is a truly pleasant place.
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Mu–
I won’t. Even when I was from hunger as a teen I wouldn’t. My standards then for a quick time thing were lower, I guess. But really I don’t know. I never tried with say 4s on down.
They didn’t just throw themselves at me, unless I was on a hot streak showing social proof with a hottish girl or two. And in that case I definitely wasn’t interested. But really I don’t know if I was anyway.
As I got better my minimum standards went up. Though I suppose the right kind of fun and easy 6 esp. if bordering on 7 is something I’ve gone for more than a few times. The key work there is easy. But mostly it’s been 7s-9s.
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Alias Clio
I agree with Tupac and not with you. Men carrying infants is not inherantly sexy. It’s maybe less so when they aren’t his. Though sure your methods of doing it are an improvement. The top of the shoulders one being best. (Your others are pretty obscure and I don’t think I’ve ever seen them. Maybe Ottawa’s different.)
However, walking around with a 3 year old child holding your hand and being obviously delighted to be with you IS a chick magnet no doubt.
As for the infant carrying, there are some contradictions. After all our culture particularly in some corners of Universities but really all over vastly propaganizes that all men SHOULD do these things. So many girls (especially relative lefties) will definitely express approval. What’s going on in their nether regions when they see it is another matter entirely. Tupac is right about that and you are wrong.
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Doug,
I can see where you’re coming from; we all have preferences and for us guys, the “floor of attractiveness” thing happening. Tru dat.
Still, we need to be honest about the fact that many of us, no need to say any names LOL, can, have and will tag a gal whom we might not otherwise, because we’re tired of being in the desert and she don’t look so bad on the other side of midnite under a Absolut-soaked haze. The latter component is what’s needed to justify doing the deed, LOL.
Women from weak, barely making 5s to 10-plus constantly get hit on over the course of a day, month or year. At any time they can get laid, get two guys to do em, get a gangbang if they want it. Al they need do is say the word, and its on. Now, *you* may not do that; *I* may not do that; but the fact remains there are scores of guys, who can and will, in a heartbeat.
I’m just sayin. 😉
O
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Now, *you* may not do that; *I* may not do that; but the fact remains there are scores of guys, who can and will, in a heartbeat.
Oh yeah. Just go into any McDonalds to see some real bottomfeeders. And some of those guys aren’t even all that bad looking!
Add me to the list of “prefers Rosie to a sub-5 unless drunk.”
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PA,
LOL! Btw, did you see my reply to your question on the makeup of breakdancing warmup suits etc? I posted it yesterday.
O
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I did. That was cool. Thanks!
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“but the reality is that a Man will yuck any Woman available to him when he gets wood and wants a warm spot to put it in. ”
Wrong. A black man will fuck anything, as has been established on earlier threads. Even a black man whohas a girlfriend who is a 9, if the 9 is out of town for 48 hours, the black dude will fuck a 1 in the interim, rather than be celibate for 48 hours.
But most other men won’t.
There are MANY sexless marriages, even early in the marriage, where the woman is as high as an 8, but the man does not want to have sex with her.
This can be for many reasons, including the woman nagging the man, mistreating him, or just a lack of sexual chemistry.
Sound strange? Look it up. The MAN not wanting to have sex is actually common.
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Patent Bullshit, I am black, and I will not fuck anything that moves.
I don’t touch anything lower than a 5 on my scale. And even then I have to like her, I mean she has to get on my good side. Fix me dinner, give me a massage, and have a nice personality.
And I know a lot of white guys who can get better who regularly bang 3’s, 2’s, and such.
Though it is to be noted that one man’s 5 may be another man’s 4, or 6.
Stereotypes always have a grain of truth, sometimes a huge grain, but on this point you are shooting indiscriminatingly from the hips..
And missing.
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Dougjnn,
The magnetic effect of babies in drawing women’s attention to a man carrying one has nothing to do with feminist correctioness. It’s 1) evolutionary (as I’m sure someone here will point out if I don’t), so that most women are drawn to babies, period; and it’s 2) the Ultimate Social Proof. It’s not his baby but some woman trusts him with it? Must be a great guy! Not a social reject – he has friends or relatives who are couples!
But over and beyond this there is in fact something extremely sexy about a bachelor playing with children. It’s not at all the same as a man playing with his own kids; new fathers do tend to have a rather anxious, schlubby look, tired and harassed. (Babies will do that to you.) A cheerful-looking fellow carrying an infant nonchalantly or, as you say, walking with a toddler and tossing him/her in the air a few times, is HOT.
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aliasclioBut over and beyond this there is in fact something extremely sexy about a bachelor playing with children
Agreed
I think it’s Whiskey’s love of children that has drawn me “closer” to him.
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welmer:
You say you want “equality” and then next thing we know women are laying claim to their husbands’ life essence by using biased, feminist laws such as VAWA.
No, Welmer. *I* don’t want those things. I never have. Don’t support them, never will. I would never take anything I didn’t earn myself, and I’ve posted a number of times previously that I believe divorce laws should be changed to be made fairer to men, and that prenups should be strongly enforced to keep everyone honest. I’m not towing any party line, because I don’t have a party: I deal in the individual.
<i.So you can chop wood and change tires? Post a verifiable picture of yourself doing so and let the men here see for themselves how “demure” and feminine you are. Nothing turns guys on like a sweaty, thick-armed, heavy-handed woman wielding a wrench or an ax…
LOL! Oh, I don’t think so! No photos of me on the web, thanks all the same.
I’m of an hourglass shape, dear Welmer, with smooth skin and small hands. I don’t chop wood or change tires for fun, as I said before; they’re not things I particularly enjoy doing, but they’re things I *can* do if called upon to do them. Being capable of doing them =/= unfeminine, no matter how much you try to make it out to be. I still don’t understand why you’re so threatened by a girl being resourceful….
Bet you like to be on top, no?
No, sweetie. Sorry to disappoint. 🙂
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Doh! Italic tags.
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Marcus Aureliette —
You go girl. You’re more than alright.
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Murid,
Thanks for adding another voice of reason to the ongoing harangue of veritable Know Nothings when it comes to Black folk. Contrary to popular opinion, all Black Men most certainly do not “fuck anything” and, there is more evidence than a little bit that White Men will tap the Walmart types, almost all of whom have multiple kids in tow. But of course, we dare not confuse the loyal opposition with the facts…
O
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http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/schooling-the-haters/
Take a look at that gangly retard in the picture (it’s Giant Silva!!!); proof that being tall isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, when a balding midget like Neil Strauss can show you up. That turd has the wide hips of a woman, too, puncturing his fake-macho self-image.
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