Culled from a lifetime of pussy hounding (and from what I can remember):
“Why would you even bother?”
“Seriously?”
[Looks at me with a blank stare, saying nothing.]
“Tch!” [Rolls eyes and turns her back.]
“Ok, I’m gonna stop you right there. See, I just saved us both time.”
“Oh my god, not again.”
“It would be better if you talked to her over there instead.”
[Grabs nearest guy and makes a big show of enthusiastically chatting him up.]
“You are SO not my type.”
“I’ve got five boyfriends. All filled up here!” (I thought that one was kind of funny and gave her props.)
“No thanks!” (This was funny considering all I had said was “Hi”.)
“This… right here… isn’t going to work.”
And the winning premeditated soulmurder rejection of all time (Happened in freshman year of high school, when LJBF was just a series of letters to me. She was a smoking hot senior. I was never one to shy away from a challenge.):
“You like me like that? Aw, that’s cute!”
It was this last rejection which ushered forth the demon unto the world.
If you aren’t prepared to brush off the bitchiest rejections like so much gossamer femsnark, you aren’t ready to play this game.
Here’s how an Eastern European Alpha deals with rejection:
http://gothamist.com/2009/04/08/women_savagely_beaten_after_rejecte.php
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OK, I’ll bite.
She was 4’11”, “chinky eyes”, brownskinned, cute as a button and bootay, my Lord.
She was in my 10th Math class. By then, I had begun to build my rep as one of the local deejays in North Philly. Between that, the fact that we shared class together, and that she was cool with one of my sisters, I figured it’d be a quick in and out swoop.
O: So, can I take you out?
HER: No.
O: OK, I’l check back tomorrow (determined look under LL style Kangol hat)
That was Sep, not long after the school year began.
Oct. Nothing. Nov, nada, Dec, no dice.
The New Year rolls in: Jan, nope. Feb-Valentine’s Day!-uh uh.
Mar. Apr. May.
Finally, in Jun, about a week before we let out for Summer break:
O: Hey so and so. Can I take you out?
HER: ALRIGHT! ALRIGHT! JUST PLEASE STOP ASKING ME!
*Young Obsidian grins & nods approvingly*
I asked that girl out for a date everyday for an entire school year, without fail or letup or any sign of fatigue or stress whatsoever. She would be mine. Period.
We ended up dating off an on for the next decade and a half.
O
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“I’m really too busy for people right now, but you should still come by my room and see me” freshman year of college.
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Best rejection I gave to a girl who wanted to dance with me was.
“Sorry I’m watching someone’s banana bread for them”
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Another classic:
“Don’t change!”
My best buddy today, when he was in high school, was in many ways a natrual alpha (he got laid before the rest of us did) but very erratic and shoot-from-the-hip. So he usually sabotaged himself by blurting out dumb things, being super-earnest, or coming on real strong to girls, who thought him a class clown.
He wrote a passionate love letter to two very good looking popular girls, on two different occasions (see what I mean about erratic behavior?)
In both cases, the girls wrote him a “no thanks” note back, letting him down gently. The girls were of the smarter / classer kind.
Anyway, each letter ended with “You’re a wonderful guy, and I’m sure you’ll find the right girl soon. Don’t change!”
Don’t change — but shouldn’t “changing” be exactly the thing he’s supposed to do to have a shot with either of those girls?
Women! 🙂
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Don’t change — but shouldn’t “changing” be exactly the thing he’s supposed to do to have a shot with either of those girls?
classic.
women say “don’t change” because they want the betas to remain just as they are, for ease of identification. this allows women to distill the general pool of men down to the alphas.
all my experience with women leads me to some unsettling conclusions about them. one is that i now believe women are hardwired for polygamy, soft or otherwise.
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Roissy
Those kind are the worst. She’s saying you’re not even in the ball park, or course. She’s also being pretty bitchy. Or, well, at that stage of your game you WEREN’T in the ballpark.
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but of course, those sorts of harsh responses are unfeminine and the girl who gives them makes herself less desirable. The sweet girls who let you down easily often make you feel like you really are missing something great.
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women say “don’t change” because they want the betas to remain just as they are, for ease of identification. this allows women to distill the general pool of men down to the alphas.
Absolutely. In fact, “don’t change” and “be yourself” are different sides of the same coin.
all my experience with women leads me to some unsettling conclusions about them. one is that i now believe women are hardwired for polygamy, soft or otherwise.
I’ll cosign that statement.
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Now here is perhaps one of the worst pickup attempts ever tried.
The part about a piddling $5K bail is hard to imagine.
Peter
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And how was the weekend before last?
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Whoops, I see somebody already posted a link to the Albanian story. Sorry.
Peter
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I’m brutally handsome, so I never get the “tch – insta-rejection” based on my looks alone.
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Obsidian–
I can see that kind of persistence working in special circumstances only.
Basically what they amount to is that the girl is a very good girl type, probably at least in part for religious reasons, AND she finds you attractive but “dangerous”. A bad boy player of the kind that her dad has warned her about. By persisting in showing interest in her that much, you’re wearing that pump and dump fear of her’s down.
As a variant she might have a sort of boyfriend she’s not really that nuts about, and maybe isn’t having full on sex with, but he’s sort of a place holder.
Another variant is that your status goes way up for some reason over the course of the year.
Otherwise in my experience that kind of persistence is going to turn girls off, more than a little. A good girl might eventually go on a date as she said to get you to back off her back about it. But in that case she’s going to be highly disposed to it not working. Unless the problem is your dangerousness.
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Most embarrassing:
[Pointing animately at her French Fries as it became obvious I was approaching] “These need salt!” She then jumped up and headed for the (distant) counter.
I sometimes wish I had followed her so that when she turned around I was right there, LOL.
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I think I speak for everyone when I say we all missed you paul.
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“You are SO not my type.”
The best response, with a deadly serious look:
“I’m Every girls Type”
Then say nothing.
Next one to talk, loses.
– MPM
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Here’s how an Eastern European Alpha deals with rejection
Albania may be geographically in Europe, but culturally it’s really a part of the Middle East.
Peter
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My worst rejection:
A few years ago, in Savannah, GA during St. Patty’s Day festival. It’s getting late, and its time to find some poon. I walk up to 2 10s in the middle of the conversation and interrupt with something simple like “Hi.” They look at me and one declares “Hey, we are kind of busy talking right now, can you come back later?”
Looking back, I still chuckle at this. Much improved since.
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“Don’t change — but shouldn’t “changing” be exactly the thing he’s supposed to do to have a shot with either of those girls?”
I disagree with Roissy’s wanting betas to be “tagged” – it’s pretty clear that these girls wanted a sweet nonthreatening guy around. It’s not that betas (whoever they are) are genetically abhorrent; rather, it’s just that they’d like some consequence-free attention now and then.
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Another classic, used many times by girls in the mega-club:
“Not Interested”
Best response:
“You are not Interesting?” (pretending not to hear her correctly)
“Fine, I am going to go find a girl that is Interesting”
Then spark up a smoke and split, or if she is fly, keep plugging away. (so to speak)
– MPM
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The most important girl is the next girl.
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Are we trading war stories today?
Last weekend, I walked up to the bar and posted up next to a girl, furiously blackberry’ing. I turned my head and told her, “That looks boring.”
She glanced up at me and said, “Sorry! Gotta go find my friend!” She gets up off her stool, turns around, and starts dancing enthusiastically with her female friend, who was about six inches behind her the whole time.
And she was a 6 at best!
must have been a dyke
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“The most important girl is the next girl.”
The only girls I like are the girls I haven’t met.
– MPM
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I disagree with Roissy’s wanting betas to be “tagged” – it’s pretty clear that these girls wanted a sweet nonthreatening guy around. It’s not that betas (whoever they are) are genetically abhorrent; rather, it’s just that they’d like some consequence-free attention now and then.
you’re not disagreeing with me at all. you’ve just perfectly described the role that betas play in girls’ lives: genetically unacceptable, emotionally available.
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Roissy,
Wrt your conclusions on Women and Polygamy, if history is any indication your conclusion is indeed accurate.
This tallies well with all we know of Game Theory, pre-selection and so on. No amount of political correctness or ideological warfare will paper it over-Women have been known to, do so at present, and are highly likely to for the foreseeable future, share the “right” kind of Man-and therein lies the trick.
We all know here, that contrary to opular opinion, the vast majority of guys ain’t getting laid on Fri and Sat nights. One only need go to their nearest club to see that borne out. Most guys go home emptyhanded at the end of the night.
I had explained all of this to Nilk on another thread earlier, so I’ll end here. But just wanted to say I 100% cosign what you’ve said.
O
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I don’t use this rejection line all the time, its mostly reserved for guys that i have seen for 3 dates, and i highly fell out of interest for him.
If the guy is close to me as a friend or person, wouldn’t use it.
It works 100%.
I say i want children and marriage asap, and that i can see he is not ready for this step. and i explain in detail our future with all weird details, that makes the guy think i’m some kind of nutcase, so i don’t need to say something unpolite, i promise, nothing else helps, i could be brutally honest but i dont want to hurt anyone, and if i say something like, i dont think this will work, i have bothersome hour to explain why without hurting him.
both of us walks away happy, he is happy he got rid of me and i’m happy to get rid of a problem very fast.
I don’t know if this rejection is a “correct” one, but it works so well,,
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Agnostic,
Exactly.
Roissy-esque to the bone:
The experiment: an all-female staff
A woman has the bright idea to hire only women for her new media startup. Hilarity ensues: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
Five years ago, I was working as a TV executive producer making shows for top channels such as MTV, and based in Los Angeles. It sounds like a dream job and it could have been – if I’d been male. Working in TV is notoriously difficult for women. There is a powerful old boys’ network, robust glass ceiling and the majority of bosses are misogynistic males.
Gradually, what had started out as a daydream – wouldn’t it be great if there were no men where I worked? – turned into an exciting concept. I decided to create the first all-female production company where smart, intelligent, career-orientated women could work harmoniously, free from the bravado of the opposite sex.
Anyone who has any experience of women in the office can probably guess how well the experiment worked out, but the story really has to be read in order to appreciate the comedic fullness of the disaster. Her conclusion: “[I]f I were to do it again, I’d definitely employ men. In fact, I’d probably employ only men.”
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rejection by 9+ hbs is no biggy. It’s a matter of social dynamics.
They have what we want.
They have the upper hand.
No different than a boat salesman during Katrina.
Parties with the power can be dicks.
Power corrupts.
All the rest of the typing is keyboard masturbation
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Doug,
Good points. I’d like to briefly add a bit to them.
You’re right my “profile” did raise a bit over the course of the year; I and my rapper, who also went to the same highschool, were starting to get a bit of street cred from hanging around the local party scene, and then actually opening sets for the bigger guys. I learned real quick, if you wanted to net more trim, be a rapper, deejay, something. And be really good at it. Stand out somehow, if not in talent then in looks.
And that’s where your “dangerous” tag comes in, LOL. At the time, I was heavily influenced by some of the biggest rap names of the period, especially LL Cool J, who’s signature “bucket” Kangol I adopted as my own, down the color, red. In fact, I paired that up w/a red & black Puma warmup suit and matching suede sneaks, and was beginning to be known schoolwide as one of the newer kids on the block on the party circuit; I was also becoming known for hanging out in “tough” places like the Bronx and Brooklyn on the weekends. And, because the gal I was interested in was cool with one of my sisters, who also went to the same school, it all kinda conspired to give me a leg up that I probably would not have otherwise.
But I was kinda “fearsome” looking I guess, LOL. You know at that age-16 I guess-you’re trying your best to look nonchalant, or cool, or hard. That was my thing, a constantly shifting mixture of those three things, most of the time. So I didn’t smile a lot. Hardly at all. & the B-Boy look, back then, and this was like, 1985 or so, was just starting to really catch on in Philly, and I was a bit ahead of the curve due to my mentor always being out in NYC feeding me the newest latest. So it was a bit of culture shock, LOL.
But yea, you’re right no way in Hades would I do that sort of thing now, or even ten years ago, knowing what I know these days. But back then what you lacked in knowledge or wisdom, you made up for in sheer cockyness. I just wasn’t talking No for an answer, I didn’t give damn if she was married, she still goin’ out with me, was my thing.
Ah. Youth. 😉
O
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Hows this for a rejection.I’m Italian,and as a boy was taken to Italy on summer vacations to my parents home town.Once,sitting with a friend in the town square,he signalled to a local cutie for her attention and pointed at me as if to say,”what do you think.”I was skin and bone back then.Without skipping a beat,and in the most contemptuous manner she tossed over her shoulder,”e’ mangiato delle pulci.“Which translates roughly as,”he looks like like he’s been eaten up by fleas.”Ouch!
She walked away laughing with her friend.
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@z,
I can’t pass this up. I do not agree with the thesis of your article.—-that women can not effectively work together. Your author failed to be a boss. I will not argue that a tiny cabal of women employees may be prone to drama and subversion , but good female leadership will eclipse it, dampen it, and eliminate it. This responder said it best:
Some women are naturals at leading other women. Your author was not.
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That should read dalle pulci up above.
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Only reason I would reject roissy is for his effeminate gossipy, bad mouthing of random dudes on the street. :-p
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as a freshman in college, i walked up to two girls dancing on the dancefloor. i started dancing ever so slightly as i tried to create conversation (all bad moves i know)
one of the chicks actually shoved me in the chest without saying a word. wordless rejections are the worst kind.
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I think the fun part of this is thinking of the right response in return. Unfortunately, the best responses always strike me five minutes AFTER I need them. But by thinking through some examples in advance, one can hone the reflexes. Feel free to add your alternatives to the list below. I think the general pattern is to… 1) Have fun with it; keep your frame high, and 2) weave in the neg–and do so stronger than you might otherwise. In some ways, you can think of these as very early shit tests.
Her:”Why would you even bother?”
You:”Well… I’m glad you asked! See, I’ve got this terminal cancer thing and…” Or, “Why do you ask the question? Are you usually a bother to be around?”
Her:”Seriously?”
You:”Seriously? (long pause) Julie? Is that you? You look so different with your clothes on!” Or, “…I didn’t recognize you with that funky mole you’ve got going. Is it real?”
Her:[Looks at me with a blank stare, saying nothing.]
You:Assume she’s mute and make like your talking in sign language.
Her:”Tch!” [Rolls eyes and turns her back.]
You:Not sure here. Need ideas. This one is harsh.
Her:”Ok, I’m gonna stop you right there. See, I just saved us both time.”
You:”No. Wrong. (you shake your head) You wasted too much for both of us with even THAT set of lines.” …and continue. Tell her an alternative rejection, an example of rejection you once laid on a girl? Hmmmm…
Her:”Oh my god, not again.”
You:”Oh crap! You again also? You were only so-so the other night when we were together and now you’re back here to try again? Tell your friend, though, that she was amazing.”
Her:”It would be better if you talked to her over there instead.”
You:”Why? Is she the nice one while you’re the bitchy one?” Or possibly this: Pause and size-up the girl she’s nodded too. Then say, “You right. She’s better looking/looks smarter. But you’ve got this strange little overbite that caught my eye.” If you’re strong, could you might even weave this into a game of fuck, marry, kill.
Her:[Grabs nearest guy and makes a big show of enthusiastically chatting him up.]
You:Not sure here. Another harsh one. In fact, any rejection where she doesn’t offer up any sort of handle for you to grab onto in response will be the hardest. You could possibly chat-up the guy she just turned to, weaving in the neg. That is, it’s rare that the guy will be nearly as harsh. The male reflex is different. But the overall response here is very context-dependent. This could be a boyfriend/husband situation.
Her:”You are SO not my type.”
You:I think G’s comment at 12:23 is ideal: “No, I’m EVERY girl’s type”
Her:”I’ve got five boyfriends. All filled up here!” (I thought that one was kind of funny and gave her props.)
You:After the props, ask “Why are you so high maintenance that you need FIVE boyfriends? What’s wrong with you that you can’t handle one? Tell me now so I can avoid your type!”
Her:”No thanks!” (This was funny considering all I had said was “Hi”.)
You:”No. You don’t understand. I only came here to politely tell you what was wrong with your outfit [or insert alternative neg, lint on dress, hair amiss, style of shoe, etc.]. Why, what did you think I came up here for?”
Her:”This… right here… isn’t going to work.”
You:”It’s not. It’s absolutely not. You’ve got this really strange hair thing going on and…” or “you are so abrupt and rude to people who just want to talk.” [or alternative neg]
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I went up to two girls and a guy who were all standing on their own on the dance floor in a club.
Me, to the first girl: Hey, how’s it going?
Her: Fuck off! We’re dancing! Leave us alone!
Me: ooookay. (Turns to second girl) Hey, how’s it going? (or something to that effect).
First girl shoves me and tells me to fuck off again. Grabs the second girl and starts dancing with her.
Me, to the guy: Holy, your friend is nuts!
First girl comes in, grabs the guy, swears at me some more, and embraces the guy and other girl in a group hug/dance while yelling for the bouncer to come and help them. It was astonishing.
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Haha this sounds like fun. For any with approach anxiety, this is what you get to do if you make a lot of approaches! We get to share fail stories and it’s always fun and we always look back and laugh! Just think about this next time you’re nervous about approaching a woman. I don’t mind rejections because it’s usually a good story later.
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The last one reminds me of an event that happened to me a couple days ago.
I was texting a girl that I had no real interest in, when I left my phone on the table. My friend takes the phone, says to me “I’m getting you a girlfriend.” He texts her something.
I grab my phone back. He sent her “I like u.” I laugh my ass off, because I know this has zero chance of working anyways, but I sit back to see what response I get.
10 minutes later, I feel my phone buzzing. Taking a break from single-handedly pulling my group through our strategy class, I look down at my phone. It reads:
“haha youre funny. But I think i am going to take a nap.”
I love this story because of the follow-up: I tell the girl that she was talking to a guy not allowed within 500 feet of schoolyards. She expresses interest, and disappointment when she finds out the whole thing is a joke.
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““No thanks!” (This was funny considering all I had said was “Hi”.)”
and
““Why would you even bother?””
Both of these would immediately provoke a barrage of beta-rage insults from me. Seriously, bitch is already rejecting you, she has to be all superior and shit about it? I’m rejecting you AND I think I’m better than you and you suck based on some ridiculously flimsy criteria. I don’t think I could resist forcibly dragging her off her ultra high, almost certainly undeserved, self esteem pedestal and through the mud 16 times. Figuratively of course, I wouldn’t actually physically harm anyone. I feel as though that’s what causes a lot of the problems between men and women in our society today, women just have way too much completely undeserved self esteem for basically no good reason except that they aren’t fat like a majority of the population. They got pumped and dumped by alpha mc.alphason and now their standards are raised unrealistically high to the point where they’ll reject perfectly good men of equal or greater sexual market value, and even be insulting about it. And beta boy swpl men are shamed for having a penis from the day they were born and almost always have the opposite problem.
Man up, kick down those pedestals.
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Couple days=couple weeks ago
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mnl
Her:”No thanks!” (This was funny considering all I had said was “Hi”.)
You:”No. You don’t understand. I only came here to politely tell you what was wrong with your outfit [or insert alternative neg, lint on dress, hair amiss, style of shoe, etc.]. Why, what did you think I came up here for?”
hehe i had this one, i was sitting in a cafe and a guy looked at me for a while and i ignored him, then he came up to me, and i was just prepared to excuse me, as he started to speak; Madam, i don’t want to disturb but you left your price tag on your skirt. (which i did) and then he just went back to his place 🙂
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Some memorable ones I’ve got:
“Umm, this is a private party” (makes an imaginary line with her arm/hand)
“ahahahahaha!”
“No”
“Next” (It was memorable because there was a guy right behind me waiting to perform his opener, I didn’t see him until she said it)
“I’m engaged” (no ring)
(Says nothing and turns her back) – at which point her (beta 3 of a friend) friend rushed up to me to tell me not to take it personal that she liked older assertive men.
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“as a freshman in college, i walked up to two girls dancing on the dancefloor. i started dancing ever so slightly as i tried to create conversation (all bad moves i know)
one of the chicks actually shoved me in the chest without saying a word. wordless rejections are the worst kind.”
“The last one reminds me of an event that happened to me a couple days ago.
I was texting a girl that I had no real interest in, when I left my phone on the table. My friend takes the phone, says to me “I’m getting you a girlfriend.” He texts her something.
I grab my phone back. He sent her “I like u.” I laugh my ass off, because I know this has zero chance of working anyways, but I sit back to see what response I get.
10 minutes later, I feel my phone buzzing. Taking a break from single-handedly pulling my group through our strategy class, I look down at my phone. It reads:
“haha youre funny. But I think i am going to take a nap.”
I love this story because of the follow-up: I tell the girl that she was talking to a guy not allowed within 500 feet of schoolyards. She expresses interest, and disappointment when she finds out the whole thing is a joke.”
This type of shit is fucking unbelievable. Exactly what I’m talking about. When men turn down ugly and or fat chicks, are they ever this insulting or rude about it? Fuck no, such a thing is unheard of and rare. When a woman turns down a man, this shit is fucking common place, like it’s her prerogative to be as bitchy as possible when rejecting a male because she’s used to being treated like a fucking princess for basically no good reason. Amazing…
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A story from a few months back: So I’m relatively fresh out of college and was back visiting some old college chums. Now, it’s Valentine’s Day night and we’re sitting at the bar and the place is just dead. There are hardly any women at all. There was one decently interesting-looking chick with a group of four dude friends (!), all of whom looked extremely beta. I probably could have opened the set, but I foolishly passed (thinking I’d have better options at a party later) and my friend and I just bounced.
We thought that our friends’ old frat was throwing a party, but it turns out we were wrong. That left us with our alternative, back-up plan, which was an after-party for one of the school’s cultural shows. But the minute we cruised into the place, we knew it was a mistake. While I’ve been to many, many bad parties in my time, this was possibly the worst. The dance floor? Dead (Asian guys were lined up against the wall doing their best James Dean impersonations). The drinks? Awful. The women? Hardly any, and those that were there didn’t rate above a 6. It was a disaster.
Well, after about half-an-hour of futile attempts to bring this moribund party to life, my friend and I were about to call it quits, when I spot two decent looking chicks standing near us by the door. They’ve got all the trademarks of bored female body language, so I open up to the alpha-looking of the two, a short, feisty black chick, maybe a “7” in the semi-darkness.
Me: Hey, you guys look bored.
Her: Yeah, we are. (Now, I’m thinking: “Great, I’m _in_.”)
Me: Let’s dance.
Her: NO!
At this, she puts up both her arms in front of her face in an “X” position. I’m thinking, “whoa, whoa, wtf?” Really, she did this with such immediate intensity that she seemed one step shy of blowing on her rape whistle. I was so stunned by this reaction from so bland a chick that my circuits just froze. After putting up with this awful party for so long, I was actually ready to punch the bitch. On a better night, I would have laughed in her face and asked her friend if she’s always this snobby, etc., etc. But that night? No. Fucking. Way. All I could do was grit my teeth, declare the party dead (long live the party?), and motion for my friend to meet me at the door.
Note: My college was unusually unattractive, and had a reputation for such. If the average college chick is a 6, at my school she was a 5. If the average sorority girl at most schools is a 7, at mine she was a 5. If the average “hot” chick at most schools is an 8 and then an occasional 9, at my school, she was a 7. The women were even more perplexing because they had massive bitch shields that seemed completely unwarranted. And then they had the gaul to call out the guys for not being aggressive. Say what?
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I love this post because all guys who play the game know rejection.
Just today:
Me: Is that real rabbit…..
Her: (Cuts me off) NO. *walks away arms crossed*
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Traveller —
Univ. of Chicago?
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“Univ. of Chicago?”
OMG, our we _that_ bad?
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Whoops. our = are.
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I was once in a conversation with two girls, and we were chit-chatting about where we lived, and one of them aske me “do you own or rent”? I told the truth and said ” I rent”, and they just both walked away from me right there…. hehe..
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I was at some house party that had a fair amount of decent looking girls there. I decided to focus my efforts on one who was a solid 7, things were going well. I had a good opening, following by a large amount of touchy and flirty sexual tension-building banter. So I’m sitting next to her on this outside couch on the porch and we are sharing a cigarette. I have received about 10 IOI’s (I am watching for them and counting). I decide to go for the number close because I thought I had made enough of an impression, I *knew* (hah! knew…) I could have made it a make-out close and possibly further but I *decided* against it.
So I flip out my phone and do the thing. She grabs it and enters her name and number. When she gave the phone back to me, it was in a quick and nervous way. I decided to play devil’s advocate and call the number, it was some random number. I looked at her like, “wtf?” She looks at me with a look of indignance and disgust. “What!?” she says nastily, “I don’t give out my fucking number.”
At this point, it was time for me to go. I agree with whoever above said that it makes no sense why *some* women have to go out of their way to act like complete snobs when rejecting men. I am polite and say, “I’m not interested” when I get approached by ugly beta chicks.
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Traveller —
Well I don’t know first hand, but you are that infamous for it.
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@traveller
Were you on the swim team at UC? and returned for UAAs?
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dougjnn,
Well the reputation is fully deserved. If anything nearly killed my will to game, it was that place.
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Brad, she was probablu upset you weren’t going to make out/do her that night. If she was giving you so many IOI’s and you knew you could have hit it, chances are she was frustrated you didn’t and took it out on givign you a fake number.
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traveller, wow, a black girl having an overinflated sense of her own worth and being a nasty bitch?
Sky blue, water wet, lindsay lohan still a mess.
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LOL @lurker, good advice to me and a funny post afterwards. Nicely done.
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anonymous –
“Were you on the swim team at UC? and returned for UAAs?”
No.
Luker –
“traveller, wow, a black girl having an overinflated sense of her own worth and being a nasty bitch?
Sky blue, water wet, lindsay lohan still a mess.”
LOL.
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Yes, women ARE hardwired for polygamy soft or hard, Roissy.
I definitely agree on that one.
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Benjack–
LOL. Reminds me of the scene in Swingers where one guy got stopped cold answering “Chevy Cavalier” to “What do you drive?” (which, in LA, I suppose is more important)
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z, if you’re going to post VD’s writing as your own, you can at least give credit where it’s due.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2009/04/experiment-all-female-staff.html
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My favorite put down: a friend of mine opened a couple of skanky bridge and tunnels; introduced me as “Dr. Lupo,” which was actually true, but I didn’t look the part, having very long hair and a zippery motorcycle jacket on. They said, “oh yeah: he’s a doctor? How much money does he make?”
Brother Dr. Lupo: “It depends on how well you suck dick.”
The really funny thing about it, was they were so beastly, I wouldn’t have porked them with my friend’s dick.
At this late stage in the game, I’m finding the subtle put down to be extremely satisfying. It’s not really a neg, since you really don’t want anything to do with them, and you don’t go to the juglar about appearance, but it’s fun to deflate women too unpleasant to bother with. Basically, make them feel like they aren’t worth your time at all. I see it as a public service.
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To “dougjnn
Obsidian–
I can see that kind of persistence working in special circumstances only.
Basically what they amount to is that the girl is a very good girl type, probably at least in part for religious reasons, AND she finds you attractive but “dangerous”. A bad boy player of the kind that her dad has warned her about. By persisting in showing interest in her that much, you’re wearing that pump and dump fear of her’s down.”
I moved from Miami to a little town in Illinois. Only mediterrenaian tanned boy for 50 miles. I was the only student arrested in a very conservative town. Yet it seemed to attract girls. Bad boy image, the fights, the school suspensions, arrests etc…didnt hurt my social life. Yes, I asked one girl and she told me her father forbade her to go out with me. But other than those stuck up families, high school, the Marines and college were great times.
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Sissies… a girl put a cigarette out on my arm one time… no joke.
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Jesus CT, I’d fucking hit that bitch and claim self defense.
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It’s scientifically proven that ‘I’M FUCKING ALBANIAN’ followed by a suckerpunch to the gut is the most effective PUA retort known to man.
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In junior high I tried to grab a chicks boob in class and she cut me with a pair of scissors.
Still have the scar.
True story.
(I didn’t have any Game back then obviously)
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Remember the first rule of Game: Approach those who already like you. Pre-screen, pre-screen, pre-screen. Pay attention to body language IOI’s. It reverses the “Hell NO/WetPussy” ratio.
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EG
“Remember the first rule of Game: Approach those who already like you. Pre-screen, pre-screen, pre-screen.”
So true.
More and more my Game has been about having girls approach me first and the art of that, which I call: “Telekinesis Game”
Very highly evolved.
But sometimes, a girl is so fly and she is giving you no love, that you still have to approach.
Cold.
Only for the thick skinned and those with ice running thru their veins…like your humble author.
– MPM
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Tupac Chopra
“In junior high I tried to grab a chicks boob in class and she cut me with a pair of scissors.
Still have the scar.”
Halfway decent “scar story” though.
– MPM
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Tupac Chopra
Sounds like you both had game (direct game, very direct game).
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Mu said She was 4′11″, “chinky eyes”, brownskinned, cute as a button and bootay, my Lord
offensive to some Asians MU.
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I don’t know if you’d call this an out-and-out rejection, since we actually went on (what I called) a date, but here’s my story. This just happened last weekend, BTW…
We are hanging out at some coffeehouse. The conversation is flowing smoothly. She’s asking me as many questions about me as I am about her.
Suddenly, this inner voice inside me is saying, “this is TOO easy. You better keep flirting with her in case she thinks this is just a friendly get-together rather than a date.”
So I did. Kept laying on the charm. But outside the coffee joint, my worse fears were realized.
She said: “I’m not really into a relationship right now, yadda yadda—”
And at that moment, I shot back: “BULLSHIT.”
To make a long story short, she started CRYING, acting like SHE was the one getting dumped. You should have heard her: “yeah, I know you don’t want a female friend because you have enough of those! I’m sorry, this conversation is too intense for me. When you said ‘bullshit,’ my feelings were hurt because I thought you’d be a cool guy to hang out with…”
Don’t you just hate it when girls try to insult your intelligence by making it seem like friendship is 10x greater than romance? Or sex?
I’m kinda GLAD I made the girl cry. I know that sounds cold, but hey, she knew what she was getting when I asked her out. She had no business trying to make me an asexual friend like that.
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Roissy
Yeah maybe so. Or some are anyway. Actually what they’re wired for is hypergamy, with a willingness if necessary to put up with polygamy. BUT.
There is enormous continuing American social and cultural pressure against it when the girl thinks she’s in an exclusive relationship on her side, and her friends do too. While she’s supposedly still dating around, even if she really isn’t, it’s a whole lot easier. When she’s committed and in love her girl friends are going to be pressuring her a lot about her bf being exclusive with her too, and about how much of a skank he is if he isn’t, with pity for her. She might lie or mislead about that, but if it comes out … they will absolutely humiliate her with their concern, pity and advice and so on. This is after all what American entertainment media continues to preach, and in a rather absolute way, unlike e.g. French film.
As I’ve said before, this militancy about women needing to divorce cheating men and having divorce courts treat them well when they do, even when their husband is a real alpha catch, is at least 100 years old, and together with the right to vote, was one of the early causes of nascent American feminism. It’s also a meme widely shared in the Angloshere (but less on the Continent), as nilk, who’s otherwise strong on men’s rights and quite anti-feminist in many respects, has made clear. (Obsidian argues with her a few threads back and does a good job of outlining what a guy’s gotta do to make it possibly acceptable to a woman, beyond his being alpha enough. It starts with discretion.) It’s the pressure of her friends that is the killer.
There may be less of this pressure in the black community. For one thing alpha males not in jail are a lot more scarce. The eligible black male shortage is widely bemoaned by black women.
I’d love to hear you go into how to go about this in your experience, or even that of other PUA’s you think have it right, when the girl is really exclusively committed to you, and how to keep this going over an extended period. That I’ve had trouble with.
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“””””””whiskey
Yes, women ARE hardwired for polygamy soft or hard, Roissy.
I definitely agree on that one.””””””””
I don’t agree hahahaahahahahahaha
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Anyone have any ideas why girls are unnecessarily harsh in their rejections from the perspective of evolutionary psychology?
Because it’s obviously so common a thing for girls to be so pointlessly way over the top in their rejections – as if they take some kind of delight in their cruelty – when it would actually be easier and more effective to simply be polite about it (I know when I get a pointlessly rude rejection I pester the girl some more on purpose just to fuck with her head, where if she politely declined me I would politely back off), that there must be some kind of deep feminine instinct at play here.
Is it just a power high? I don’t think so – I did some work in Thailand, where ugly/nasty chics are all over white guys in a seriously aggressive way (it’s their one ticket out of poverty for girls the local guys won’t touch), that I was forced to develop a very firm and immediate way of rejecting girls, but it was never pointlessly cruel. A simple, firm, and decisive “No thank you” with congruent body language did the trick.
I took no pleasure in humiliating these nasty/creepy Thai girls and had I been any ruder, it probably would have been counterproductive as the girls would have felt the need to fuck with me further out of some pathetic effort to regain some pride.
So having been in a position similar to that of girls – being pestered by creepy/nasty members of the opposite sex all the time – I still had no desire to be pointlessly cruel.
So I don’t get what feminine instinct is at play here – I do know that experiencing and observing such casual female cruelty played a huge part in helping me shed my illusions about women and lose any exaggerated respect I might have had for them, and thus helped my game tremendously.
These days harsh female rejections – while rarer – leave me completely unfazed. There is no approrpriate response to them. A steely look and a shrug, perhaps, or a simple and quick moving on to the next target without any resentment or hard feelings – understanding that female cruelty is just a force of nature and nothing personal, seems best to me.
Any overly belabored response seems too try-hard to me.
But I still don’t get it and would love any insight anyone might have!
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Tupac, that’s pretty funny because I’ve been that girl a few times since the sixth grade.
On the topic though, I think women who’ve experienced rejection enough are more sympathetic when they have to reject someone. My preferred method is the Jedi mind trick. They think it was their idea.
When I do have to actually fend someone off, if they want to know why, then I tell them. If a woman is decisive and knows what she wants, it’s pretty easy to respectfully tell a guy that he’s not offering her something she’s willing to deal with.
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Off-topic, is the concept of facebook in itself beta? I’m talking about having a facebook page and visiting it once a day to keep in touch rather than people feeling the need to post every single aspect of their day on it. When they went to work, what they had for breakfast, what they had for lunch, what time they left work, how many times they had a piss or shit that day, etc. I know this is beta.
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dam that thread was funny
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Gordon, the cruelty comes from a variety of motivators:
Overly high sense of entitlement.
Lack of truly male role models growing up.
“All men are dogs” …
Men are viewed as predatory by default, and women’s predatory behavior is dismissed as defensive or practical.
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GordonH:
Anyone have any ideas why girls are unnecessarily harsh in their rejections from the perspective of evolutionary psychology?
I suspect in the majority of these harsh rejections that the Sexual Market Value disparity coefficient was rather high.
Think about it: if a relatively attractive and sweet girl approached you, but she wasn’t your type, you might be flattered even as you politely decline.
But a fat warpig does the same and there is an almost instinctual revulsion, as if your very worth in the world has been put into question.
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Is there such a thing as a non-bitchy rejection? I find myself going ‘No, thank you’ with emphasis on the thank you, with a smile. I have done ‘Sorry, I’m not that kind of girl… but thank you!’ after a friendly conversation at bus stop. I got a ‘you’re really nice’ after one such rejection once. (This is all at bus stops, for some mysterious reason. Perhaps the brown unidentified goo on the bus stand sets off my eyes.) I tend to be nice when even the quality of male who offers makes me want to go weep at the blow to my self-esteem. I get different reactions when I retell from ‘you’ve ruined his day’ to ‘HOW DARE HE! you didn’t just ignore him?!’
Making the message clear but not being horrible’s a delicate balance I’m not sure can be mastered, especially when it’s a persistent male ‘friend’/’co-worker’.
Do you really view it as some sort of insult if you get rejected? There’re plenty of reasons why a woman should be selective (religion, image), and not much why she shouldn’t be.
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Women enjoy seeing men humiliated, the more beta the man the greater the humiliation. They enjoy doing it personally too.
Whereas, they would NEVER even if not interested humiliate an Alpha.
For women, men are divided into three, like Caesar’s Gaul. Alpha, Beta, and Omega.
The more a woman humiliates a guy in her rejection, all things being equal (and it’s not merely a bad day for her), the more she perceives him as lower Beta or Omega.
Which is, an insult to her. That a lower Beta or Omega would dare approach her. Particularly for a girl who believes she is entitled (usually out of past history that confirms this) to Alpha or Higher Beta men.
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I am surprized by physical pushing from woman are we talking they are trying to move you or just putting there hands on your chest playfully?
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Anyone have any ideas why girls are unnecessarily harsh in their rejections from the perspective of evolutionary psychology?
Uh, girls aren’t usually very harsh in their rejections, if for no other reason than that they don’t want to unnecessarily piss off a larger, more aggressive animal than themselves. They just stare into space, or back turn you, or use the first opportunity to walk away.
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Women enjoy seeing men humiliated, the more beta the man the greater the humiliation. They enjoy doing it personally too.
Once again, whiskey just doesn’t get women. It’s like Mark Twain’s comment about women swearing: he knows the words, but not the music. It’s time to lay off the theory for awhile and actually start interacting with women.
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Gordon I think they may be trying to be men but shooting a little beyond.
And what is up with the thailand thing we got to do blog happy two weeks there. I havn’t been but the pictures of the scenery is nice. Plus I have never seen anyone come back unhappy. They are doing gods work there. Spreading love instead of hate.
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Gordon,
I think we need go no farther than Lord Acton’s wise words: power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
And when it comes to the Game of Love, at least early on, the Ladies have the upperhand. Only after she’s made her choice does the tables turn decisively in the guy’s favor. Until then, what she says, goes.
Simple as that.
Now, of course, we who study Game Theory to one degree or another, learn about “countermeasures” to the kinds of potential rejections and objections a Woman may toss our way, and despite all the sound and fury, in the end, there’s no silver bullet: sometimes it’ll work, other times not. If most guys are honest, they’ll strikeout more than they get a hit.
Whether its worth it in the end depends on the individual guy in question. And then there’s the individual style and temperment of the guy, too.
I’ve found that you’ll get the best results when you find a style or method(s) of Game that most fits you on the inside. A little while back I likened the various styles of Game to the differing kinds of Jedi fighting styles: some are by their very nature more aggressive, proactive and forward leaning, while others are more passive and centered in its approach.
For me, I’ve learned that the best way to get a Woman is reel her in, rather than to go chasing her down. This serves serveral purposes: one, it eliminates the need for me to expend potentially wasteful and large amounts of energy; and two, it serves as a way of gauging her interest and desire in me. Getting her to come to me, so to speak, also reverses the roles: Women are used, very, very used, to being pursued. Turn that around: find a reason why its in her interests to want to pursue *you*.
In my next post, I’ll relay a story of what I mean, in a sense, and how you can turn a rejection to yor advantage.
Stay tuned.
O
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Tupac, if a person is blessed with being generally well regarded without sacrificing his dignity, he understands that not everyone who admires him will or should be “fuckable”.
As a woman who is considered sexy by a great many more men than I have the inclination to date, I feel none of this “instinctive revulsion” because my sense of self worth is not dependent on the status of the men who find me attractive. In fact, I’m glad that despite my “saditty” ways, the odd old trash collector will still feel comfortable enough to give us a wink or maybe even a whistle.
…and I’ve felt this way about it since puberty.
Rudeness or revulsion in response to admiration from those one considers of lower social status is a sign of low self confidence…and I’m not saying this to put you down. I’m saying this because gratitude for the good things in life like people wanting to shag you, will take you much further than pettiness, which is the mark of the chronic commoner.
Superiority starts with superior attitude. Any prospective alpha anything should check themselves in that regard.
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Allright I got beat in ft lauderdale by a dude with drug game. Hey I didn’t have coke in my hotel room I don’t do drugs. God dam coke whores lol
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Kthula:
I wasn’t outlining how I myself act in such situations, just that I understand the mentality of most people.
And, you’re wrong that a person’s worth is entirely decoupled from what others think of them.
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women are extreme bitches in rejection due to the bitch shield; it can be both a shit test for other guys watching, and maybe an experience in the past where a guy didn’t take no for an answer, or else a fear that having a guy around will drive any other guys away.
in any event, the best way to avoid bitch rejection is to be seen with people working there social proof, such as the bouncers/bartenders/waitresses. She’s much more hesitant, because you can get back at her by having her kicked out or never getting drinks.
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FYI, cunty rejections from chicks are actually pretty rare. i had to dig through my memory banks to come up with the ones in this post. 95% of the time, if she doesn’t like you she will drop plenty of subtle nonverbal and verbal cues to let you know it’s time to back off. a glance around the room while you’re talking, a bored look, silence, closed body language, a pleading look to a girlfriend, etc. if she has to be clearer with you, she’ll say something like “i have to go back to my friends”.
the point is, you should be prepared for the shitty rejections like a good boy scout. there are bona fide bitches out there who will lash you with the cunt-o-nines for thrills, especially if, as tupac noted above, your market value is considerably lower than hers. if you can maintain state control under the most withering ego blows, your inner game is solid.
personally, i have not had a nasty rejection in a long time. the issue is moot for guys who have a decent social skills, as you will be able to tell a girl is not into you well before it ever gets to the point where she has to announce her discomfort to you. when your social sensors are highly tuned, you can gauge a girl’s interest within a few seconds of meeting her. i have walked away in the middle of conversations with girls because i could see it wasn’t going to go anywhere by the third sentence.
social intuition = time + ego saved.
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Tupac, of course, generally, people’s self worth is related to and even shaped by what others think of them. Thing is, when other people think *well* of you, and you’re wanted, respected, and admired, that should be a good thing whether it’s coming from Vogue or the burn unit.
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Woman may toss our way, and despite all the sound and fury, in the end, there’s no silver bullet: sometimes it’ll work, other times not. If most guys are honest, they’ll strikeout more than they get a hit.
So true. Often times you will talk to one girl and it will go nowhere, and the next minute you will go talk to another girl and she will be all over you . . . and there will be no discernable reason in your approach that would explain the difference.
A good part of game is about _always_ having that minimum level of attractiveness going for you, so that you know that each girl you approach will not simply dismiss you out of hand. It gets your foot in the door, but in the end, she still has to choose you. And for that to happen, all sorts of unknown factors have to line up, which you cannot control and which you should not try to control.
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GordonH: “So having been in a position similar to that of girls – being pestered by creepy/nasty members of the opposite sex all the time – I still had no desire to be pointlessly cruel.”
That is because you are not a woman. Duh. Pointless cruelty is done out of physical and the accompanying psychological weakness. That’s why Herbs are mean little scuzzbuckets as well. If a 6’7″ 300lb woman started hitting on you, you might be mean as well. No need to put evolutionary biology tits on it.
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“”””””GordonH,
Is it just a power high? I don’t think so – I did some work in Thailand, where ugly/nasty chics are all over white guys in a seriously aggressive way (it’s their one ticket out of poverty for girls the local guys won’t touch), that I was forced to develop a very firm and immediate way of rejecting girls, but it was never pointlessly cruel. A simple, firm, and decisive “No thank you” with congruent body language did the trick. “”””””
Oh wait maybe I get the selfish part of that lest thailand be overrun. Ok if you are beta and getting pimp slapped in clubs by woman. highly suggest you save some money for a plane ticket. So for once in your life you can be a god. This will probably also drastically improve your inner game.
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Good thoughts Nicole. Glad to see ya back.
Gordon, as promised, I’m bac w/that story. A true story.
Back in the 90s, a dear and close relative had passed, and I learned that she had left me a piece of money as inheritance-about ten stacks or so. I decided 2 take a few and have a good time after the funeral and whatnot.
Calling one of my bestest friends “V”, I told him that good fortune had smiled on me, and that we were gonna hangout, I’m buying. He picked me up in the ride and off to South Street we went.
Couldn’t been at a better time-the sun was going down on a mid-Summer’s Sat night, and my God, were the females out in force. Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Jewish, you name it, she was there. We decided to park the car a little ways up and walk the rest of the way down.
About a half block up from us we saw two supa fly, supa fine Sistas walking together, and shooting down guys left and right. But I figured that since me and V were good looking, well mannered, and well financed guys, of course they would be honored to join us for dinner, right?
WRONG-we got the shootdown treatment too, in summary execution manner.
Hmm, I said to myself. Now what?
When, what do I see out of the corner of my eye, coming in the opposite direction, but two very nice looking White gals-one blonde, the other a brunette, and they reminded of of cheerleaders out of highschool. I had an idea.
On South Street there’s a spot caled Johnny Rockets, a 50s themed eatery. Me and V got shotdown by the Stuckup Sistas right in front of the place. The White Cheerleaders were making their approach to us, and I casually crossed over, w/V right behind me, and simply opened with a greeting, and started talking. We exchanged names, did a bit os small talk, then I said, hey listen, we gotta get something to eat, why don’t you join us-I’m buyin’.
They came lickety split, with us-right as the Stuckup Sistas watched us from accross the street.
From that night, which ended very, very well I might add-lovely gals, I must say-I learned something my Daddy and Grandaddy, both of whom were Marines, always told me they did in the Corps:
We don’t make you do anything; we just make you really sorry that you didn’t do it.
That Marine Corp maxim has stood me in good stead lo these many years, especially when it comes to Women.
Any questions?
O
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Good thoughts Nicole. Glad to see ya back.
Gordon, as promised, I’m bac w/that story. A true story.
Back in the 90s, a dear and close relative had passed, and I learned that she had left me a piece of money as inheritance-about ten stacks or so. I decided 2 take a few and have a good time after the funeral and whatnot.
Calling one of my bestest friends “V”, I told him that good fortune had smiled on me, and that we were gonna hangout, I’m buying. He picked me up in the ride and off to South Street we went.
Couldn’t been at a better time-the sun was going down on a mid-Summer’s Sat night, and my God, were the females out in force. Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Jewish, you name it, she was there. We decided to park the car a little ways up and walk the rest of the way down.
About a half block up from us we saw two supa fly, supa fine Sistas walking together, and shooting down guys left and right. But I figured that since me and V were good looking, well mannered, and well financed guys, of course they would be honored to join us for dinner, right?
WRONG-we got the shootdown treatment too, in summary execution manner.
Hmm, I said to myself. Now what?
When, what do I see out of the corner of my eye, coming in the opposite direction, but two very nice looking White gals-one blonde, the other a brunette, and they reminded of of cheerleaders out of highschool. I had an idea.
On South Street there’s a spot caled Johnny Rockets, a 50s themed eatery. Me and V got shotdown by the Stuckup Sistas right in front of the place. The White Cheerleaders were making their approach to us, and I casually crossed over, w/V right behind me, and simply opened with a greeting, and started talking. We exchanged names, did a bit os small talk, then I said, hey listen, we gotta get something to eat, why don’t you join us-I’m buyin’.
They came lickety split, with us-right as the Stuckup Sistas watched us from accross the street.
From that night, which ended very, very well I might add-lovely gals, I must say-I learned something my Daddy and Grandaddy, both of whom were Marines, always told me they did in the Corps:
We don’t make you do anything; we just make you really sorry that you didn’t do it.
That Marine Corps maxim has stood me in good stead lo these many years, especially when it comes to Women.
Any questions?
O
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Roissy,
“FYI, cunty rejections from chicks are actually pretty rare. i had to dig through my memory banks to come up with the ones in this post. 95% of the time, if she doesn’t like you she will drop plenty of subtle nonverbal and verbal cues to let you know it’s time to back off.”
We’ve skirted around this issue, but nobody has said it. The reason “cunty rejections” aren’t as prevalent as we think is because many guys go into a set in such a way as to not expose themselves to the cunty rejection.
we remember the “bad” rejections because their reaction was not congruent with our intentions. if i’m going up to a chick, being polite and not too aggressive, and she laughs in my face, i’ll remember that as a bad rejection. if i go up to her grabbing her ass and being rude, its not bad. hoping against hope that we don’t have to face the ego-debilitating rejection similar to the ones written about today, we either come in with a FriendZone attitude or an asshole attitude. more often than not, it’s the FriendZone attitude which leads to her boredom and rescue signals to her girlfriends.
this dynamic creates the type of situation we have today. guys are either too aggressive or too meek. either way, it’s an ego-protection thing.
*shameless self promotion alert, i wrote about what I’m talking about a couple months ago:*
http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/02/football-as-analogy-for-game.html
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Traveller-
Was this college in Seattle, by any chance?
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ob:
Woman may toss our way, and despite all the sound and fury, in the end, there’s no silver bullet: sometimes it’ll work, other times not.
game and preselection are the closest things to silver bullets the average man has in his weapons cache. even better than wealth and looks. (fame is the best, but that is out of reach for most men.)
of course, because the nature of men’s attractiveness to women is broader in scope and more beholden to the whims of circumstance compared to the nature of women’s binary attractiveness to men (hot or not), there will be more variability in a man’s success rate with women. this should not lead one to mistakenly conclude that game will not significantly raise a man’s hit rate.
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“”””””””CT
Sissies… a girl put a cigarette out on my arm one time… no joke.””””””””
You are a thailand candidate for healing. Get yourself a second and third job till you save 10k then off you go.
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chuck:
we remember the “bad” rejections because their reaction was not congruent with our intentions. if i’m going up to a chick, being polite and not too aggressive, and she laughs in my face, i’ll remember that as a bad rejection. if i go up to her grabbing her ass and being rude, its not bad.
good point. this is why it can help a guy’s game if he goes into each set assuming the chicks will love him, but always prepared for the worst. this way, he doesn’t fear the small odds of a crushing rejection and can relax and summon the appropriate amount of boldness.
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My Favorite was:
“Can you do us a favor and stop talking to us?…..Like stop forever…..”
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R,
Oh, no doubt, a Man invariably improves his chances *with Game* than without. No dispute there.
I was merely noting that there is no failsafe method or technique that will work 100% of the time without miss. No such animal. Michael Jordan missed many shots, Babe Ruth struckout many, many times.
I was just trying to inject a degree of realistic expectations, is all. But overall, Game does a Man mad good. Absolutely.
O
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It may seem unamerican of me, but I think it’s a good idea for guys to spend some time overseas. I’d recommend doing it with some people who are either living in or regular visitors to your country of choice.
It’s good for women too though…maybe not for the same reasons, but definitely for related reasons.
Women tend to be mercenary almost everywhere, but there’s a line…
In some places in the world, the practical end doesn’t totally override the emotional/sexual. I’m told that Thailand is one of those places. Calculated isn’t the same thing as cold for any Thai woman I’ve ever met except one, and she’s exceptionally atrocious in many ways.
I think there’s something about cultures where people tend to stick together more that brings out a certain warmth just from getting to know someone who’s generally good. I’m told this is one reason for my ROdar.
In a tourist situation, you might see it first in a sexual/romantic context, but it’s that way in the platonic sense too. You just meet someone, have a good vibe, and next thing you know, you’re at their sister’s wedding in a cluster of gyrating blondes singing folk songs about a funny barfight.
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A couple of observations…
1. I largely agree with the comments on womens behavior, though I think you guys give them more credit than they deserve.
Your real problem is that you care about what they ‘think’. Stop caring, do not waste your time on the scam that some woman might really care about you, whether you dominate her on not. No woman cares for anything other than what she ‘thinks’ she wants at that moment.
Domineering might get you into her pants, but nothing is ever going to get you into their soul.. they have none!
2. I do however find your white guy supremacist attitudes hilarious.. between that and your support of “liberterianism” type ideas, it is a blast.
Seriously guys, your types are f**ked, you have no future. But do not blame me, I did not make your society into what it is today..
For all of you who have hopes about going back to a mythical past where white men were men.. and blah blah.. keep on dreaming. There never was such a past, and you are not special..
But I think that you will find that out the hard way, if you are willing to accept it.
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“””””””””Lucifer,
Domineering might get you into her pants, but nothing is ever going to get you into their soul.. they have none!”””””””
When I die I am coming to kick your ass.
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Oh yea lucifer why is it that the world is so easy that there really is no nead for the devil. A third grader could plan out a life. We have to make shit up to make life more interesting. Be boring with no passion for shit. No arch villians and no danger. Got to make it fun.
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But I think that you will find that out the hard way, if you are willing to accept it.
not if i grab my gun first.
ps accepting is beta.
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Yeah who the fuck ever said anything about staying in the US or, for that matter, staying a citizen of the US?
I will go wherever I get the best deal. Money, women, fresh produce, social democracy, whatever. I am always open to negotiation. And the US is looking like a lousy bet for a place to live, although I will still take advantage of the economy when necessary. Thanks globalism.
I hear Australia is still by and large a nice old-fashioned racist country, although the PC pussy brigades are fighting it, with a lot of beaches and easy access to Asia for trade and vacations. Maybe I will start there.
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Roissy,
I have a hunch that you do not understand what you are truly up against. You real enemy is your own irrationality.
You are trying to win something that is essentially worthless (sex) and nonexistent (love).. You can get very good sex for 200-300 bucks an hour with no attitude, child support or alimony… you can come as often as you want.. and you can get any physical type you desire.
You remind me of the story of the person who has spent 20 years trying to learn to walk on water and boasts about it. A wise man then tells him that he can cross the river by paying the boatman a couple of copper coins. The point is that I can get a 20 something to open her legs and pretend that she likes me even if I am 80.. as long as I have enough money.
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Oh Shit governments gonna have to get better to keep people omfg lol
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Please see my above post lucifer this shit is not new lol
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Gunslingergregi,
Would you rather make a deal with the devil or with the CEO of an investment bank? Who would be more likely to go back on their word.. ya.. there is your problem!
//Oh yea lucifer why is it that the world is so easy that there really is no nead for the devil. A third grader could plan out a life. We have to make shit up to make life more interesting. Be boring with no passion for shit. No arch villians and no danger. Got to make it fun.//
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In the course of evolution, individuals adapt or die.. it is your choice.
//not if i grab my gun first.
ps accepting is beta.//
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I make 10 10k deals with 10 people and the puzzle is solved. Is 30 a powerfull number anyone know?
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This shit elementary school man. Life is too fucking easy to crack the code. But I guess there is always utopia to keep a mutherfucker in the game.
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17 24 100
pimped out house
lincoln nav
10X10X10
pimp mass quantities of hoes.
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Lynch,
Didn’t mean to “steal” from VD, I just cut and pasted the article and his attendant description of it. VD is funny isn’t he? Thats one underrated aspect of his blog. He is whipsmart (mensa and all that).
BTW——
I got “shot down” pretty hard about 3 times in my youth that I can remember.
Once I deserved it because I was really drunk (bad too) and asked a very very hot blonde, “hey, whats up” (told you I was drunk)…………………….get this, she SNEERED at me. Like fucking Elvis man. When I spoke to her I could smell the booze right out of my open mouth. I dont blame her. God I was wasted. I had a truck back then. I slept in that truck in the parking lot that night because I didn’t want to drive drunk back home. The morning light hit me right in the eyes.
One “cruel” shoot down happened and I wasn’t even hitting on a girl and didn’t intend to. I held open a door at a mall (circa 1990) because I heard high-heel footsteps behind me. I didn’t know if it was some older woman or a teenager. I didn’t feel anyone take the door from my hand, and politely glanced back to see if they were going to take it. It was a nice looking young gal, who actually put her hands on her hips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. She said “cuuunnggghh” as if I was yet another man hitting on her. It really made me pissed at all females for a few minutes. I was simply holding open a door for a stranger.
I feel like if a guy is willing to get at least -some- eye contact before talking to a chick he is less likely to get shot down with an ugly remark, but politely declined instead. Going up to a chick who hasn’t even seen you is kinda rude. You are asking her to completely assess you instantatenously if you do, which is pressuring.
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my father:
You are trying to win something that is essentially worthless (sex)
how could something so worthless feel so worthy?
and nonexistent (love)..
wasn’t it you who said love is biochemically no different than eating large quantities of chocolate?
is chocolate nonexistent?
are synaptic explosions nonexistent?
You can get very good sex for 200-300 bucks an hour with no attitude, child support or alimony… you can come as often as you want.. and you can get any physical type you desire.
it feels better when the woman wants you there.
You remind me of the story of the person who has spent 20 years trying to learn to walk on water and boasts about it. A wise man then tells him that he can cross the river by paying the boatman a couple of copper coins. The point is that I can get a 20 something to open her legs and pretend that she likes me even if I am 80.. as long as I have enough money.
the victory is sweeter when you have won her real love rather than bought her fake moans.
although i may exercise the pay to play option when i’m 80. beats shuffleboard.
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I so wanted to be cool
10X10X10X10X10
There we go. No wonder people fuck it up.
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Roissy,
It feels worthy because that is what you choose to believe. It is about choice and belief. It is your mind that makes it real. Tell me, are blue and green real colors or just sensation in your brain triggered by a particular light wavelength hitting your retina?
There are men who like to be dominated because that makes them feel good. There are many women who overeat because they are lonely (largely because of their attitude). Does either of the actions make them happy.. to an external observer- no, but to the people who do it- yes..
I think that you believe things are real, when they are not real, because you want to believe them. Gravity is real, the sun is real.. a women who convinces you that she loves you is just a good actress who fooled you.. that is all.
You want to find meaning in life, but there is no external meaning in life. It is your wishes, wants and actions that give meaning to your life. It is just that most people want prefer someone to tell them that their existence has meaning… your choice.
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it feels better when the woman wants you there.
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the victory is sweeter when you have won her real love rather than bought her fake moans.
Roissy speaks truth. Hence why despite being pro-prostitution, I am very unlikely to use the services of a prostitute.
On-topic: David has never been rejected by a woman, but then, that’s because I have never attempted to court a woman.
you’re not disagreeing with me at all. you’ve just perfectly described the role that betas play in girls’ lives: genetically unacceptable, emotionally available.
Oddly, the benefit of having guys like Roissy around means that smart betas who know what they’re doing can get all the emotional benefits and female attention, but without high cost framework of a relationship. I get my hugs, female companionship, and she doesn’t nag me about my porn addiction.
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Da are you listening to lucifer man he said no woman can love any man and they have no soul. I think that may be a go for you dude.
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Lucifer,
Some men like the “thrill of the chase” in seeking sex from women. There is no chase with a hooker from the Emporer’s Club. She just shows up, takes her clothes off, and 1000 bucks later after you cum, she leaves. I doubt she’d be able to fake it well enough to make you think she wanted you there or enjoyed it. Believe it or not, their conversation is also worth something. You might even make a friend.
Not all men can afford to pay for sex a couple of times a week either, that is a good way to never get anywhere financially in life. Chasing poon is a hobby for some men, like other men hunt or fish or play video games or railfan or whatever.
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I like to believe that woman can love. Maybe 1 percent.
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Do women not have a soul, or do they have one, but the soul of a woman was created below ? hmm.
Lucifer should shed some light (heh) on that one.
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“Every human life form is totally and completely occupied with itself. Even if you appear to be the center of someone else’s activities, it is still the person and his preoccupations which are the real center. Never forget this, no matter how interested someone seems in you. They are interested in how you fit — or might fit — into their food chain. Never be fooled by people who sacrifice themselves for you. Without their so-called sacrifice, they would be isolated, depressed or feel utter emptiness…So, if you are strong enough, remember that no one really likes you. What they like is how you make them feel, and how well you fit into their resource scheme.” — C.S.H.
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I was reading “The 48 Laws Of Power” and Robert Greene mentions alot on how almost all of our outcomes with people during an interaction is “pre-dated.”
Law: 39 Stir Up Waters To Catch Fish.
(In the Keys Of Power)
Pg.329
“We have to realize that nothing in the social realm, and in the game of power, is personal. Everyone is caught up in a chain of events that long predates the present moment.”
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lol pa I know he created the soul of a shrew. There ain’t nothing worse than that shit.
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Da are you listening to lucifer man he said no woman can love any man and they have no soul. I think that may be a go for you dude.
Women are incapable of loving beta males, but unlike Whiskey, I don’t think that they actively hate them.
And yes, everybody has a soul.
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One question-
Unless you are paying for an overpriced and attitude ridden hooker, is it cheaper to a] pay a hooker or b] do stuff for a women to keep her with you or c] pay alimony/ child support?
PS- If you ever use escorts- avoid 3 types of escorts
1] most american born women (attitude + mediocre looks)
2] black women (most of them.. attitude)
3] any escort who gives you an attitude.. there are many who look better than her who won’t.
and if you do do not have a good feeling about any escort, get another one.. spider sense is usually correct.
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“”””””””Tupac Chopra
“Every human life form is totally and completely occupied with itself. Even if you appear to be the center of someone else’s activities, it is still the person and his preoccupations which are the real center. Never forget this, no matter how interested someone seems in you. They are interested in how you fit — or might fit — into their food chain. Never be fooled by people who sacrifice themselves for you. Without their so-called sacrifice, they would be isolated, depressed or feel utter emptiness…So, if you are strong enough, remember that no one really likes you. What they like is how you make them feel, and how well you fit into their resource scheme.” — C.S.H.””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Not going for this one tupac otherwise most people would not have a tendancy to shoot themselves in their own foot. Most people do not need enemies to actually bring them down.
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Schoolboy it is most inventions that are predated could prob make loot looking up old patents. Henry Ford had the first plastic car and they hit it with a sledgehammer no dents woo hooo.
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PA,
The idea that women have a soul.. conscience or any concept of human decency is just laughable.. The easter bunny and santa claus can make a better claim on being real.
PS- If you believe a women loves you.. (you are alpha.. whatever).. ask yourself one question.. if you ceased to be ‘alpha’.. what happens to the ‘love’?.. It is gone, right?
Well, it was never there in the first place.. Think of ‘love’ as notional money.. it exists unless you have to cash it.
Just as a house in sacremento can go from a notional value of 600,000 to a notional value of 200,000.. It is about notional value.. an accounting scam.. a make believe world.
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That is why you test the woman lucifer. I plan on having both legs chopped off when the technology for bionic legs becomes good enough. My dear love will never know about the technology. I will be able to test love.
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Original Grace says:
Ya’ll forget, until 35 or so, everyone (every man), from Homeless guy on the street, to recently divorced dude, to sex-less boss, is CONSTANTLY hitting on any woman not completely ugly. THIS BLOG ADVOCATES THIS. Chris Rock was right, ya’ll really are saying, “Do you want some Dick?”, and until we’re out of better options/you’re a good catch (money/social status does matter), the answer is no. How is this hard to understand? Do you give your favorite crayon to the wierd kid in kindergarten if your own status is on the line? Hell NO. If my social status is high enough/I’ve been taught it is good to share, then yes. Otherwise, ain’t no one single person in that class is seeing the color purple unless we’re talking about the movie.
Our stories, of the things men have offered us simply for existing (but would degrade us for later once prize has been won), the things that men build false hopes on (and then passively agressively try to punish us when we don’t want it) are just as bad. Shit tests exist for a reason. If the girl was hot enough for you to notice… you weren’t the first to try something. Trust me, being nice is no favor, esp. with men you don’t know. Men tend to underestimate how crazy/angry/upset ya’ll get when you’ve been “led on.” I have a few really good friends who are married, that have been surprised at the fallout that comes from accepting a door kept open/offer to carry a heavy bag to a car (when clearly struggling and 6.5 months PREGNANT), when a man notices the ring on the finger. Common curtisies, are things that men who don’t get laid a lot, tend to over-blow into sexual attraction. If she wanted to F*ck you… you would know within seconds. After that, it really is a matter of time.
I’m a little pissed (actually a lot) that I’m saying this, but Roissy gets laid all the time for a reason. Women want to sleep with him. He’s tall. From his text, he seems to be commanding in person. He’s white. He’s had travel experiences*. A man who can blow past intial shit tests is usually, a lot less crazy than the dude who blows up at the initial ones. It means that he’s seen his fair share, and knows how to handle them, b/c he has the option of turning them down. Which means that other women find him of high value. Which is social proof. Which translates to money/status/security (which EVERYONE, including women, are looking for [and no, I don’t love you just for you, like no one would love me just for me, handicapped kids break up marriages for a reason]. You may get left, but not as embarassed by it. It will be UNDERSTANDABLE. THEY could have fallen for that. You’re still in the female social group, and worthy of pity, in a good way. Women will fight for you, b/c they’re hoping it won’t happen for them. Not so much as being left by the little man who finally got money/status etc. at 32. Men don’t give that as much respect (to the woman, while they give high-fives to the men), ergo, WOMEN will oftentimes not give that woman as much respect. I.E. to sell out to a man of middle-class of social rank who cheats is better than a man of middle-class who was CLEARLY never going to amount to more than punch-in, punch-out who cheats. You didn’t even get the excitement, and you still weren’t worthy of commitment. If other women can see the attraction of a man who cheated, you’re more likely to get sympathetic ears, particularly if they desire/d said-man who has cheated.
There REALLY is not a lot of value contributing to a man who has not already shown his worth in commanding even the most MINOR of situations. He has a higher probability of leaving you for the first better offer he gets, even if you have invested significantly. And, high-T men can be, in a word, well, men, physical abuse included. Some women (including a few that this blogger has dated) see physical hitting as a sign of commanding (I personally think that it is a cheap shot of the lowest kind, loss of control combined with greater physical strength), but that doesn’t erase the fact that the dynamic does exist.
Is this a smart idea (committing to the possibility of physical violence)? Depends on the landscape. Yeah, I’ll get yelled at, but I’ve worked/volunteered with at-risk communities, and considering the ACTUAL options… it depends. I know, I know, I KNOW all the facts, but we’re talking people here, not moral evaluations of situations that those evaluators don’t have to face/no longer face. Sometimes, people do cross that line, even when you weren’t expecting it (I say this in all seriousness). The women in small towns who you seen have commited husbands/are still sweet only have those husbands/that attitude b/c (I can’t believe I’m paraphrasing Chris Rock again)… those men don’t have the same OPTIONS without the fallout.
I’m from the south, so I’ll make it even more clear, a strong man who is feeling weak in the marriage will just cheat on you, not beat on you. He’s got other options. And getting a man of wealth (social or monetary, preferably both) who has other options to commit to you, for a woman, is in direct correlation to getting a woman (beautiful, young, fertile) to give her virginity/sexual exclusivity to a man.
So… if a woman gives you a line (I won’t give out my own favorite, but it is GOLD, hasn’t been said here, so ya’ll don’t know my friends, they use it), take that as either a quick foray into flirting, or disa-F*CKING-pear. Creepy men at bars are a sterotype for a reason. Ya’ll make us feel uneasy b/c you don’t know how to handle women, and that makes us (shoot, me) reference every Lifetime movie where a woman ignored her instincts and ended up in a freezer. We’re cutting it off quick. But a witty response? Some confidence? (and duh, follow-up and an actual personality)… Hmmmmm, maybe the big city has blinded me to the good ones.
*Aside:most women who sleep with every local while traveling, has the same sleep-around rate in a large city. Women from smaller towns, generally DO want to see more, and a dick is less likely to be involved in that. Kuhtulas’s right, Ho’s don’t change. Why ya’ll yell down some of her advice, I don’t know.
**I am expecting to get flamed on this from both sides. So if I don’t respond directly… oh well. I’ll get over it. Trust. DC has left a thick skin.
– Original Grace.
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To Anon at 8:21,
I choose to ignore what a women thinks she is entitled to.. I just want what I want and what will make me happy.
I do not want any complications and bullshit.. If a woman wants excitement in her life, she should find someone who likes those worthless games. I am going to get the pussy I want anyway.
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ask yourself one question.. if you ceased to be ‘alpha’.. what happens to the ‘love’
Lucifer: Nothing in this world is unconditional except a woman’s love for her baby. That’s the only unconditional love there is. It’s painful to realize this but realizing it is a step toward wisdom.
Houellebecq had a moving passage in one of his novels with an example of a she-lion tenderly licking her young. And how everything else is worthless, brutish, hateful violence. Your creation, Lucifer.
A woman is a force of nature and a whirl of amoral energy. It is a man’s job to draw her and posess her in his exclusive and unbreakable orbit. If she is a quality woman and he does it right, she will be his forever.
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I need a response on the chain sawed legs bro. Will that prove it or what test could insure proof that your woman would love you or that a woman does indeed have a soul not made by the devil?
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yeah, oops on that spellng typo, but all that aside, I do think this blog does women bigger favor than men. We get to see what’s out there. And despite feminism (which I am a feminist, to anyone who might invalidate my previous comment by trying to state otherwise), my grandpa was right, “All men are dogs, except to their mothers, daughters, and sometimes wives.”
Those wives, tended to be from the cream of the crop. In this sexual market, I’m not the cream of this crop. I would prefer the devil I know, to the one I don’t, at least concerning my dating/sex life.
-Original Grace.
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That is how you see it.. I just care about the sex part, whether she is moral/ amoral/ immoral/ force of nature/ whatever is inconsequential..
I see it like I see food, drink..I want it, but I do not want any extra drama and BS, and I will just find a way to get what I want without the parts I could care less about.
I mean.. do you really care about the color and ‘vitality’ of a toilet as long as it clean and flushed?
//A woman is a force of nature and a whirl of amoral energy. It is a man’s job to draw her and posess her in his exclusive and unbreakable orbit. If she is a quality woman and he does it right, she will be his forever.//
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Lucifer,
Uhhhhh, you proved my point.
-Original Grace.
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“It was this last rejection which ushered forth the demon Roissy unto the world.”
That’s funny shit.
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Thursday —
I base my comments on years of interacting with women CONSTANTLY, and watching them closely (in very feminine fields of education, marketing). You can’t deny my assertion. Sadly, I get women all too well. There is nothing more depressing than the reality of both men and women.
Go back to your PC platitudes. They’ll comfort you far better.
For a beta guy to even approach a high-value woman, it’s an insult. To her mind, his approach means she’s “fat” or otherwise unattractive and therefore on his social-status level. That sort of insult just isn’t tolerated. Meanwhile the exact same guy if he approached as a higher Beta or Alpha could easily win her time even if she’s not really interested or engaged with some other guy.
And, women really HATE beta guys who express any sexual interest in women. The “Marry Shag Kill?” game Roissy plays correlates well with my personal observation of the many, many women I’ve known in various capacities.
The most depressing reality about women is that they base just about everything regarding men on if the men are perceived as Alpha or Beta or Omega. And once they make their assessment, they hardly ever change it. That works the other way too, a man can coast for years on the perception of Alpha-dom and particularly the bad-boy kind, sort of edgy, violent, shady.
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Lucifer comes out and it draws original grace from the woodwork. Maybe they don’t have souls lol
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Lucifer – so you’re just a being of base appetites?
Where is your anger, your rebellion, your wounded pride, your quest for everlating glory? for Revenge?
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I would disagree with that…very few women that come here ever show even a basic level of understanding what this blog is about. They usually get offended, employ the typical feminist shaming language, (i.e. – call the men here losers) and usually denounce “game” as a cheap tactic that would never work on themselves.
You, despite calling yourself a feminist, at least has demonstrated an understanding of game, and how men who have it are “attractive,” while men who don’t, are “creepy.”
Most women that come here don’t even acknowledge that much…hell, more than a few men don’t either.
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I am a humanist.. and would you not say that the entire history of humans on this planet is a testament to their “baser appetites”.
//Lucifer – so you’re just a being of base appetites?
Where is your anger, your rebellion, your wounded pride, your quest for everlating glory? for Revenge?//
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I’ll add, Original Grace makes my point. Women HATE HATE HATE being hit on by Beta guys, or even looked at in a desirous manner. It’s both an insult and a bother.
Until, of course, it stops.
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Who cares about ‘original grace’ or any woman thinks? does it matter in any significant way?
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Dam Whiskey
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Whiskey — Thursday’s point that you dwell on the theoretical is valid. Yeah, men and women are what we are.
But overthinking this is morbid, sort of like seeing a hot girl and and thinking of nothing but her bacteria-ridden intestines and a colon filled with shit. Yeah, she has a nasty digestive/excretory system like we all do, but if that’s all you see, you’re sentencing yourself to a life of a mumbling eccentric. Moderation in everything.
Dave form Hawaii — you’re right of course. But I also noticed that the women sho stick around here tend to be the smarter kind and accept and embrace the realities of Game. Though it can take them a while to be convinced.
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Dave,
yeah, but some ARE losers. I knew dudes who (I would not be surprised if they used them now), who DISCUSSED ROOFIES in college to overcome their social lacking. So I see and understand and agree where that mentality comes from (seeing men who use this blog as a reference as losers). All of the men who read this are not innocents, but I am seeing that not all are pervs and retards. So for me… that’s where common sense comes in b/c I Do believe that princess construct went too far. It REALLY REALLY has.
But some men aren’t socialized (see: serial killers, gangsters). Elizabeth (oh WHERE HAVE YOU GONE….????? echo effect for dramatic purposes here) said this sort of thing multiple times. And for career/job purposes, this blog is GOLD for negotiation.
-Original Grace.
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I’m never going to make it through another lecture about nerves without thinking about roissy’s ‘synaptic explosions’.
DA: WHAT?! Come on, man, go get rejected (or not?!) at least once in your life. It’s a free experience. I did it by making sure I applied to the dream universities, not just the more realistic ones. With men, obviously, it’s a lot more subtle so I can’t say if being interested in any way and not getting reciprocation is ‘rejection’.
You don’t know if you’ve aimed for the top of your capability until you’ve experienced the bittersweet taste of failure.
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Women HATE HATE HATE being hit on by Beta guys, or even looked at in a desirous manner.
I HATE HATE HATE being hit on by fat, ugly, and bitchy women, or even looked at by them in a desirous manner.
In other news, European billionaires avoid sailing their yachts into the territorial waters of Somalia.
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Original Grace,
No one cares about treating you well. You have a depreciating value and few end uses, and if you do not wish to be used or think that you are more expensive than the market will bear.. fine.. that is your choice.
I do not care, nor should any self-respecting man care about petty female crap and politics. I can just buy the experience I want.. if I am not totally satisfied, I get a new one..
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Why do only women use the word “construct?” Is there something about estrogen that makes a human want to say this idiotic women’s studies-dervied word?
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1) PA
Nothing in this world is unconditional except a woman’s love for her baby. That’s the only unconditional love there is. It’s painful to realize this but realizing it is a step toward wisdom.
Maybe when they are babies – but even this isn’t true after about age 5 – many womenespecially if they are tepid beta-spawn.
Next time you see a mum wailing at her kid in the supermarket, have a look at the kid – deep down resent their kids after a while he will be a boy over about 6 years of age already developing beta-anger.
This is why women are hardwired for polygamy. Raising kids is a real long hard slog and a shitfight at the best of times. If your spawn are ugly and short their are simply no rewards. So mating with the Alpha is your only hope and dont forget a Harem of say 5 women can look after 20 kids much more easily the 1 woman can look after 2 kids.
2)
If you turned it around and said 70% of things on here to a female you’d get either
– kicked out of the club by security,
– have the cops called
– get called up to the principals office (this happened to me)
3)
The worst rejections I ever got were from 4’s-7’s Now I’m only gaming 9’s and 10’s and the are much kinder. I think they have less man-hate baggage.
So pre-screen pre-screen pre-screen and use as much telekinisis game as you can.
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Sorry that should read
” many women deep down resent their kids especially if they are tepid beta-spawn. “
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The funny part is they do not understand the full implications of that word.
//Why do only women use the word “construct?” Is there something about estrogen that makes a human want to say this idiotic women’s studies-dervied word?//
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Maybe when they are babies – but even this isn’t true after about age 5
Max – I was careful about my word choice and that’s why I said “baby” and not “child.” I was gonna say “newborn” but I think the primal motherly instinct lasts longer than jst a week or two.
Next time you see a mum wailing at her kid in the supermarket
Parents once had more freedom to discipline their wailing kid. Today they look around nervously and know that some fucking childless cunt who needs to be raped by a drunken mule will call the cops on her if she so much as grabs her kid by the arm.
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Lucifer,
I would say it (a woman’s opinon) matters unless your social capital overcomes all other short comings (otherwise, you would not be able to identify pubic hair). Let’s be honest, if you weren’t getting laid besides being whatever persona you are or adopt that was working in order for you to get whatever access to women that allows you to be so cavelier, a woman’s opinion of you, would matter a lot.
If your default score was that low, you would care a LOT more. Ask the men who don’t have as easy access as you apparently do. And also, if your access was that easy, why does my statement matter? It is not affecting your game. So why question if other men would even need to see another opinion? If some of these men are not getting access to women, why wouldn’t they want to hear a woman’s opinon on it, if not only to shoot it down (as you have done). As per ACUTAL MEN who contribute to these comments, occasionally, my opinon is a positive contribution. So why be pissy, if you don’t really care? I was expecting to not answer ACTUAL arguments, not whiny statements.
*And if my statments are whiny, and you don’t care b/c I’m a woman, then what’s the point in telling other men to ignore them if they actually provide an example of feminine ridiculousness? Why not state how ridiculous they are and provide reasons? Or, just advocate roofies like the socially inept dudes I used to know?
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grace,
yeah, but some ARE losers.
Of course…but that wasn’t my point. You stated that this blog is more useful for women than men, a position that I think is wrong.
As I said, most women don’t “get” it…at all.
A few do…and no doubt, for those that do, this blog is probably pretty useful in understanding men and our basic motivations and biological wiring.
But most women that come here have a lifetime of feminist cultural indoctrination that causes them to react negatively to everything this blog discusses without even trying to logically understand what it is really about.
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I should have added prostitutes, but, I see you’ve covered that end. In that case, have fun and good luck!
– Original Grace.
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Anon at 9.14,
Women’s power over men is not based on access to pussy, but rather on making them feel wanted, loved and then using that feeling as leverage.
Given that attention, need and love are scams.. the only leverage a woman has over a man are lies. I am just stating the obvious.
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Sorry Gracey – I dont DO verbose – I just scroll past verbose women – in real life and on the Internet.
I only do Pleasure, Leisure, and Financially Lucrative activities. So you better lift your game honey!
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Whiskey, a person with no integrity, no spine, and no values aside of the morals they’ve been programmed to have by profiteers instead of parents, is far too volatile to be depended on, which is what a woman needs in a mate…someone she can depend on.
So the moment I see the punk, not the sensitive kind merciful guy, but the punk in a man, he’s no longer attractive. I don’t believe that this is in any way unfair, as loving such a person would be a one sided situation. His only interest in me would be as a hole or a socially convenient breeder…and in some creepy cases I’ve come across here, a socially inconvenient breeder if it would raise their status by association even if it pisses off their family.
Maybe you don’t understand how sick things can get because you aren’t messed up like that. You were maybe just a guy who is polite and merciful. Some guys though, even some who complain here, are just shells, frustrated about having to rethink their strategy for finding, as Lucifer accurately described it, suitable toilets for their ejaculate.
I found out how sick it gets…and this is something I actually wish you never understand. When you do, you’ll be like me, actually telling yourself why not to do unethical things to exploit the vermin infesting this planet.
At the point that I got it, I tried to forget it for many years…but you can’t turn off your brain. Well, there’s only one way, and I’m currently too in love with myself for that.
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And yes, to be clear… I was preparing to ignore ACTUAL arguments. I leave no doubts as to that intention. I put up an opionion, and had no intention of backing it up via studies, articles, journals, etc… . I make no bones about that. As I said, I expected there to be some flaming about it, because on this board, there usually is a flame war regarding studies and publications. I will be popping in to write inflamatory statements, backed with no fact other than my own knowledge, to occasionally engage in arguments with those who disagree.
Dispite the complaints, I don’t care, I’m a princess.
– Original Grace.
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Lucifer…just one thing though: It’s not women they want to feel loved by. They want to love themselves. The women are just a means to that end, as are their peers.
Problem is, to love one’s self one has to have a self to love.
This is what far too many men do not have: a self…a will.
Without that, there is only a body and urges, yet never any satisfaction.
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Kthulah,
Why is the utility of a women any different from a toilet? A toilet can have it’s history, color, patterns… heck it might even have consciousness. But why should I care.. as long as it is clean and flushed?
It is all about me.. as far as I am concerned.
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As I have said before, the reason that fair-minded men hate feminists is :
Feminists are THE most hypocritical group in the world today. More hypocritical than Palestinians, Jesse Jackson, and Euro-socialists.
Feminists don’t want equality – they want special treatment. They want all the benefits of society, with none of the responsibilities or civic obligations. They want equal representation in good jobs that they are not qualified for, but don’t want equal representation in undesirable jobs that men do (construction, sewage, etc.). Nor do they advocate for equal representation of men in female-dominated professions (teaching, nursing, HR).
The biggest hypocrites in human history.
If feminists cared for equality, they would reverse the grossly unfair divorce laws that treat men the way blacks were treated under Jim Crow.
I will also say this loudly :
Anyone who thinks that a woman in the modern day and age is entitled to alimony, effectively believes that women are inferior to men, and incapable of earning their own livings.
No ifs and buts about it. Property division is one thing. But alimony is an admission of female inferiority.
Also, most men want strong, successful, UNHYPOCRITIAL women. Todd Palin has done more to advance women’s rights than any so-called ‘feminist’ ever has. He supported his wife’s ambitious goals of career success and a large family. In return, he has received gratitude and a genuine, loving marriage. Yet, he is no herb. He is masculine, tough, and Alpha.
Todd Palin is the real feminist. Not some aging androgyne hypocrite. That is why feminists and lefty faggots HATE the Palin family : it is because Sarah Palin succeeded without the special treatment that feminists routinely scam the country out of, and still went further in her career than any feminist, AND had a bunch of great kids.
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According to the luciferian philosophy, women have no “souls”. Going farther along the same line, it is not clear how men could have souls. Or lucifer, for that matter.
If you really believed that we were no more than warm blooded robots, you would have no reason to bother saying anything.
Lame poseur.
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dam Rum tore up the devil.
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WHISKEY,
You wrote:
“on April 8, 2009 at 8:49 pm whiskey
I’ll add, Original Grace makes my point. Women HATE HATE HATE being hit on by Beta guys, or even looked at in a desirous manner. It’s both an insult and a bother.
Until, of course, it stops.”
Whiskey that is a point Ive made over and over and OVER in here. Women dont really HATE beta men UNLESS the beta men HIT on them at bars.
Beta men are like fat chicks you work with. As long as they do their job, are nice to you, not bitchy and dont smell or something,……………..you don’t mind them at all. As soon as they hit on you, you get uncomfortable because you dont want to hurt their feelings and have some resentful lard-ass in the office with you, and wish they didn’t work there.
Women at bars hate it when beta men hit on them because they feel that it lowers their social status amongst any alphas in the room, and they are terrified that it represents them starting to A)show their age, or B)get fat, or C)they simply aren’t as pretty as they thought they were.
Women dont realize that alpha men couldn’t care less if beta men hit on women, and it doesn’t lower their real attractiveness (based on looks for males) at all. If pretty-nice-looking-low-self-esteem men dance with and spend time with Plain Janes, the other women in the room will see him as beta, even if he is really better looking than most of the alphas****************
************I remember reading that women shown pictures of men alone, and then again with several adoring people around them always rate the pictures of the SAME man with adoring people around him as much more attractive. Its the SAME man. Amazing. That wouldn’t change a guy’s opinion of a hot chick at all.
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Funniest rejection in the original posting: “Oh my god, not again.”
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Lucifer,
Im glad you enjoy using whores for sex, and can’t be bothered with regular women who aren’t prostitutes. Its good that this works for you.
You must have a LOT of money.
Men who make less than 150K a year would do well to meet non-“working”-girls. I suppose a guy who made 200K a year could blow 50K on pussy and have about 3 different $300 hookers a week. Hey, if it works for you………………enjoy yourself, but I wouldn’t expect tons of others to jump on that train. Most people dont have that kind of money, and the “thrill” of the chase and attraction is very much part of the pleasure for many of us.
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Whiskey:
Go back to your PC platitudes.
Whatever, dude. I concede that you alone are the incorruptible.
PA and z made the substantive points I would make, so I won’t repeat them.
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” suppose a guy who made 200K a year could blow 50K on pussy and have about 3 different $300 hookers a week. Hey, if it works for you………………”
That is why when an acceptably realistic sexbot is available on the market for just $100K, all of human society is turned upside down (to the detriment of mostly women in the 5-8 beauty range).
$100K for a sexbot = 1 million units sold = a $100 Billion revenue stream.
Hear that, Japanese robotics experts?
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The talk always seems to lead back to sexbots one way or another, doesn’t it?
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Tood think the virtual with the link into the brain that gives the orgasm feeling will be the way to go plus it has already been done with monkeys.
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From back in the day, “i only date white guys” from an asian girl (i’m asian), this isn’t actually that uncommon, as an adult my preference has since been pretty much everything except Asian girls and I haven’t looked back since. =)
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A year has 52 weeks.. at 300 per escort- you could have 52 different gals for
52 X 300 = 15,600
Now escorts often charge less for repeat business.. but let us say you want to bang 3 different chicks each week for a year.. that would still be under 50k/ year.. not exactly pocket change- but considering the amount of money you will save from not doing other things, within the grasp of a person with a decent job or well run small business.
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“The talk always seems to lead back to sexbots one way or another, doesn’t it?”
Or the talk leads back to feminism. Or to black people. Or to Islam.
The thing about sexbots is that while I am still skeptical that they will happen anytime soon. Even a tiny breakthrough in that field has major implications, even for guys who don’t buy a sexbot, or for women who never see a sexbot.
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“As a woman who is considered sexy by a great many more men than I have the inclination to date, I feel none of this “instinctive revulsion” because my sense of self worth is not dependent on the status of the men who find me attractive. In fact, I’m glad that despite my “saditty” ways, the odd old trash collector will still feel comfortable enough to give us a wink or maybe even a whistle.”
See that’s the thing. Most people are fucking worthless sacks of shit that will never really amount to much. Most people don’t have any higher education or particularly rewarding or fulfilling lives/careers. So what’s left? Their partners. I think in the case of women, their sense of self worth is not only tied to the status of the men who find her attractive, but probably the sole deciding thing, as that’s what they’ve both been conditioned for and what’s genetically ingrained in them. When they KNOW they don’t have jack shit going for them but their looks, their self worth is almost entirely determined by the status of men who find them attractive. These types, regardless of sexual market value disparity in the case involved, are the ones who will deliver the bitchiest rejections. The ones who basically have little else to live for, uneducated, unmotivated, shit job, mid 20s women who know they’re going nowhere but are at least 6.5+. These ones will give you the bitch rejections.
The ones who’s self worth isn’t so tied up in the status/attractiveness of the males who like them are way more likely to treat you like a human being. I think this is exactly why we don’t observe a similar phenomenon among men rejecting much lower value females. Most men’s self worth isn’t so closely linked to the attractiveness of females who they can attain, because they’re conditioned and biologically so much different from females. Obviously herbs/betas who do nothing but seek approval from pretty girls are the exception, and I reckon these guys WILL deliver similarly bitchy rejections to fat/ugly chicks.
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Does the word “whore-monger” mean something? I mean, any body with 2-300 USD can be yur girlfriends ever-loving boyfriend too. WTFE.
The best girlfriend I ever had was a dangerously unstable lesbian. We never made it, exactly, but I always knew she would back me up in a fight with her steel towed boots and her bezerk intensity.
Some things you cannot buy…
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Obsidian’s first post gave a good example of persistence in the face of apparent rejection ultimately working. What is your opinion on women that encourage persistence? A young, very attractive but fairly inexperienced college girl told me that persistence was her secret weakness. If a guy never gave up, no matter how flaky or bitchy she was, she would eventually give in. This seems like the perfect way to justify dumping a guy. If he doesn’t persist he didn’t love her enough, if he does, he is a creepy stalker or LJBF. The woman that said this had many attributes of the Eternal Ingénue.
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Tood:
“The thing about sexbots is that while I am still skeptical that they will happen anytime soon. Even a tiny breakthrough in that field has major implications, even for guys who don’t buy a sexbot, or for women who never see a sexbot…”
The more realistic scenario for men who either can’t get women or can’t be bothered is “soft prostitution.” There are a number of women — mostly young ones — who will do buddy-sex on a regular basis for some reward. Younger women have been raised in an era far, far away from the religious morality that shackled their mothers and grandmothers. Some of them have a surprisingly realistic attitude: “Guys pay anyway, why not be honest.”
There are entire generations being raised in an era where Jenna Jameson is a mouse click away and considered an object of admiration, not derision. The culture is changing and its getting unrecognizable to the one we had pre-1980.
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Satanist Anton LaVey wrote about and tried designing sex bots years ago. A functional sexbot may not happen any time soon but a company called Abyss Creations has a rather creepy prototype, and for a mere $6,500.
http://www.realdoll.com/
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I think it was either Chuck or Obsidian who related the “Mo Rocca” story about the absolute hatred the women at some party had for the clueless beta herbs around them.
I’ve seen this myself, in female-dominated environments, particularly when a guy is fairly herbish and not even scoping chicks out. Just being kind of beta with his g/f on the phone and overheard. He’ll get cut to pieces later when he’s out of earshot. Non-theoretical: I’ve seen this happen, the guy was not even interested in the women around him, constantly on the phone to his chick, in a kind of herb-y way.
Grace nailed it. Women get hit on a LOT and so innately find it insulting when a herby guy expresses interest or even just acts herby and non-gay around them. A potential threat and a “weak” guy I guess.
This is WORSE the more women in the environment.
Meanwhile, some fairly nerdy, minimally attractive chicks in engineering, software development, soak up the male attention, particularly from the high Beta guys. They are often the only women in the department, and generate a lot of attention, often for the first sustained time of their lives. As they get older however, that attention becomes tiresome. I’ve seen that too.
Empirical, not theoretical.
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9th grade: “Oh, I was already planning on going stag.“
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I can just buy the experience I want.. if I am not totally satisfied, I get a new one..
Once one woman looks at you breathlessly, adoringly, and submissively, during or after real relationship sex, you will never want to “buy an experience” again.
You couldn’t if you tried.
If David Alexander has one thing right, it’s that porn is infinitely better than going out and paying a prostitute.
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Days of Broken Arrows :
“Guys pay anyway, why not be honest.”
That is why I say moderate competence in Game is effectively worth $2 million.
But anyway, I don’t think soft prostitution is common in America, nor will it be. A lot of women have their own money.
The thing is, the supply of beauty is rare. Of all females, only 20% are in the beauty age (18-35). Of these, only 10-15% are 8 or above. Even these don’t look so good unless they are groomed and well-dressed.
So, the supply of beauty is small.
Sexbots, even if very expensive, can quickly and greatly increase the ‘supply’ of beauty.
As supply increases, since demand is somewhat fixed, pricing power drops.
In other words, the typical Beta today spends a lot of his time and energy after 6s and 7s. Many of these will decide that robo-sex with a 10 sexbot is a better use of their time. Even those who cannot afford a sexbot, will find that the pricing power of beauty has fallen, due to the increase in supply.
The reverse has already happened in America, with the obesity epidemic. The supply of beauty fell, so the pricing power of it became very high. Consider Sexbots to be a rapid reversal of this supply scarcity.
Thus, even a small number of 10-like sexbots, even if they are far beyond the affordability of the average Beta, still reduce the pricing power of beauty. The destruction of beauty exclusivity will trickle down, in the truly classic sense of trickle-down economics.
Women in the 6-8 range will fall dramatically, now having no more options than the 3-5 women of today.
Think about an engineering college, where there are 7 men, and 3 women. The 3 women are a 5, 7, and 9 respectively. All 7 men ogle the 9, but even the 5 gets a steady boyfriend out of the group.
Now imagine if an additional woman, a 10, joined the class. Now 7 men have 4 women (10, 9, 7, 5). Even though the ratio is still in favor of the women, the attention given to the 5 and even the 7 has dropped greatly, just due to the addition of the new 10 in the mix.
Beauty is scarce enough, that doubling the supply of it would not take long. And the pricing power would drop quickly.
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Another point I think we’re all missing here is that we have to look at is that pretty much 100% of these outlier rejections occur when the woman is in a group, usually with her girls.
Women go nuclear pretty much only when they’ve decided they’re having a “girl’s night” or a non hook-up night. Their bitch shields are reinforced with extra steel, their nails sharpened, and their snatches stitched tighter.
Another thing to note, when a chick is in this form, if she’s out on a girl’s night or something and not wanting shit from guys, she’ll ratchet her standards up quite a bit. She’ll snap on guys she would normally let engage her in heavy petting.
**That being said, this situation could be prime for wingman Game. If you get a mega smackdown from a bar chick, your buddy can go in run some Game off of that.
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If you aren’t prepared to brush off the bitchiest rejections like so much gossamer femsnark, you aren’t ready to play this game.
The toughening up of the male needs to start young.
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Like Z I had a woman preemptively reject me when I wasn’t even trying to hit on her.
The streets were fairly empty when a friend and I were walking back back from a bar when we approached a corner. Now, due to to a building we couldn’t see what was around the corner, but I heard a girl enthusiastically say, “We’ll see you tomorrow!”. As we turned the corner we saw two attractive women and a guy, presumably to whom they were talking, about half-way across the street. As soon as we came within vision of the girls one of them said, in a snide tone, to us, “Not you.” WTF?
We didn’t try to talk to them, smile at them or even make eye contact with them before the girl said that. We couldn’t have, we didn’t see them until we turned the corner. She unleashed that rejection with Flash-like speed. It kind of pissed me off afterward.
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Absinthe,
Very good points in relation to my earlier post. And in fact, the target of my affections back then said almost the same exact thing your college lady friend said: I won out because I refused to give up. Women like a Man who don’t quit. They are Evo Psych reasons for this I don’t need to cover here, but I can say fro experience that its 100% true.
Having said that however, of course, one doesn’t want to be a One Trick Pony here-as R noted earlier, one has to be able to read social situations so he can get the most of the thing or eject right quick. All things don’t work for all People, and this is especially true of most Women.
But in general, yea, Women do like being pursued by the right guy, and some will try to put up some token resistance. If you’re of a mind, batter it down like the Hulk and take her. She’s yours.
O
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Chuck,
Mystery addresses this in his book, and I agree: the idea of a “girl’s night out” is BS. They are there for the same reasons we’re there-to hookup. The only difference is they don’t want to make it obvious. We guys don’t give a shit.
Women go with their friends for a number of reasons, ranging from simple herd mentality-safety being in numbers, a legit concern-to being able to determine her sexual worth in relation to her friends, which explains why you wil rarely see all 10s hangout together and so on; at least one of em will be the monster of the group, and when we encountered such a situation we already had a designated monster banger to fall on the sword for the good of the team, since most Women rarely peel off from her pack-either they all go, or none go, and it’ll be the monster who cockblock the hardest.
Its quite alright for the Ladies to indulge in what R calls Pretty Lies. We Gentlemen cannot afford such polite fictions.
😉
O
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DBA,
Don’t mean no disrespect, but the things you spoke of above is hardly new, and have been with us since Time Immemorial; what is apparently new is the rather blatant, in your face nature of things today. Women can be quite practical when the need arises for it, and they all understand, very well, what motivates a Man. In fact, you’d be surprised to know just how many Women would be wiling to cut a deal for the Man with the Right Stuff.
O
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Some men, Alphas I guess, can’t take the gentle brushoff, its no always so easy to be kind. Rejections I’ve given that haunt me with cruelty…
“Are you kidding!?”
“The desperation in your voice is really unattractive, you should work on that.”
Maniacal laughter
And though I highly doubt it was to the infamous Roissy…
“Seriously?”
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Doug,
Just scrolled back and saw your comments where you mentioned me. Would like to post a few thoughts in response.
Its true that in Black America, a Good Man is hard to find, at least that’s how the Sistahood tells it. Those Brothas who get themselves together can pretty much write their own ticket, and many do.
There have been serious discussions in quarters of the Black community amongst Women, on the question of sharing such Men-its either that or deal with the much lower standard, go the lesbian route, or go it alone. And lesbianism has been on the rise in the hood, as well as quite few Black Women bowling alone, so to speak.
How to keep such a polygamous thing going over an extended time? I don’t know if I have *the* answer, but I’ll briefly share a few quick things:
BE A MAN. This should be obvious, but I think we can all agree that its something that’s becoming more and more a problem, and belive me, if you think we guys see the Herbs and Manboys of the world, it is writ supa large in the eyes of Sistas.
BE CONSISTENT. Anyone can be a One Hit Wonder. Being able to handle yours on the daily, is what’s up. Women have one Prime Directive-security. Emotional first and foremost. A Consistent Man is one that conveys security.
BE ABLE TO FUCK. Trust me when I tell ya, the number of Women out there whose bottom is woefully unhappy are Legion, and it shows. If you know how to work a Woman, can make her hands tremble, make her sound like a barnyard animal and make her womb do cartwheels in her belly, and do it on the regular, she will stick to you like glue, because she know such a Man is rare.
If I think of anything else, I’ll post it.
O
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Obsidian,
do you really believe the old adage…lay her right the first time, and you can walk all over her?
Come on…An earth moving experience is more rare, but let’s face it, a dick is a dick. It may last slightly longer than it should if it’s THAT GOOD…But as I’ve found if it’s THAT GOOD for me, its reciprical….
Every man I’ve had that with still wants more…I’ve always been the one able to walk away first. Better yet, they never end up with hard feelings…
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Obsidian,
I agree with the points in your recent post. I also had a situation like yours in highschool. Pretty sophmore with locker next to mine. I hit on her every day. Most of the time playfully. As graduation approached she got more and more turned on. We went out and wow what fun. She turned out to be pretty damn hot. I went away to college but dated her off and on for a while. I agree girls like consistent effort and all the rest. Men need to just step up.
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3 good points
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Pez kind of has a point. Knowing how to lay a girl right is very important and it keeps her happy. But being a great lay is like having a ton of money: a huge asset on the dating market, but not a guarantee all by itself.
There are tons of females who are devoted to loser guys who never screw them right because they are impotent from drinking or herion, for example.
Game trumps all, even sexual prowess.
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Rudest rejection for me: a Russian chick who I was chatting up in (fairly decent) Russian extended her hand in a “talk-to-the-hand” fashion and said “Zamolchi!” – meaning Shut Up!
Almost pushed the bitch into the pool on the brink of which she was standing.
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Besides – I wonder if from a female perspective, being a guy who is a great lay is more about her attraction to his looks and level of game, more so than his inherent skills at sex.
Of course, that’s assuming the guy meets minimum basic standard of keeping it hard, size, and stamina.
In other words, a good looking Alpha who is merely competent at getting her off but has great game is going to satisfy a woman sexually a lot more than a Beta with a John Holmes-sized member and Olympic-level shaggin skills.
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“Knowing how to lay a girl right is very important and it keeps her happy.”
Many years ago, I hooked up with a porker one night, probably a 4. We wake up to sunshine and hangovers the next morning; she puts my hand between her legs and uses it to play with herself, comes in about two minutes. Then she starts trying to give me a handjob – as everyone knows, a risky gambit. Tough going, but we shared a mutual determination to make it work. After what was surely a very long time, she put her mouth on my balls and hummed. I never came so hard in my life! Driving to work (late) that morning, I couldn’t get over how hard I had nutted. I think the sensation lasted til the next day.
So, while this girl is not appealing to any particular extent, I will always be ok to throw down with her, probably for the rest of my life. So… superlative sex is important to a man, also. Even if more replaceable.
Now, this girl is on my Facebook and likes to put up stories about the presents her fiance has bought her that week, how all the men in her office are pigs, and how she can’t wait to make babies. I am honestly happy she has found her Beta Provider.
True story!
Thanks for letting me share!
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“very few women that come here ever show even a basic level of understanding what this blog is about”
I disagree. Roissey put up numbers not that long ago showing that a lot more women read this blog than comment on it. not sure what that indicates, but don’t assume that the three or four regular female commentators are totally representative of all female readers.
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Not true PA….I’ve dated hot Alphas, to find out they are capable sex partners, but not worthy of repeats…arm candy only goes so far, besides the ego of alpha, makes them think they are better lovers than they actually are for the most part.
But I had a guy friend who was only Beta to me…only 5’4″…but WOW…quite a mind blowing experience one wasted evening, kept me coming back for more…his attidude elsewhere made it non lasting…but still quite warm memories….
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Mother have stronger bonds with kids than fathers. Even beta-spawn kids. Mothers will reject their children mostly if the father turns into a beta (i.e, her attraction for him disappears) and the kid resembles the father to much and the father is attached to the kid
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a Russian chick who I was chatting up in (fairly decent) Russian extended her hand in a “talk-to-the-hand” fashion and said “Zamolchi!” – meaning Shut Up!
That’s when familiarity with this invaluable volume comes in handy.
Or you could just go Albanian on her.
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roissy,
a couple of things:
– does news of an american crew fighting off somali pirates give you any hope for the future of this country? perahps all the fight hasn’t left us yet.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/09/somali-pirates-maersk-alabama-shane-murphy
– this makes me think that i dig reading your blog, because there plenty of examples of pitiful behavior out there to serve as cuationary tales. maybe it’s time for a little positive reinforcement as well. i’d like to suggest that you have an alpha of the month/year section. why not focus some intention on those who are demonstrating virtue in this world?
– lastly, check out this trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wMe9vxkWI
will this movie keep it real, or will it have some de-balled hollywood ending? my guess is somewhere in the middle.
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~~~pez~~~
“…But I had a guy friend who was only Beta to me…only 5′4″…”
Was he beta only because he was short? If he had been taller, would it have made a difference to his alpha/beta status?
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Hi Pez,
I assume you are a Woman, and so am glad to discuss the matter with you. Obviously, I cannot address your particular situation, but I can speak to the general situation.
Of course, to you as a Woman, a dick is a dick is a dick; indeed, Women have many more chances for sex than most Men.
But as I think you might agree, the issue isn’t simply to attract a dick, but the *right* dick, and on that score, I maintain what I said, they are few and far between.
Why?
Because simply, most Men out there aren’t that good in bed. Sad to say but true, and we’ve all heard and read about the studies about the numbers of Women who rarely if ever have orgasms with a Man (they apparently have no problem alone, at least some of them). When one begins to see the principles of Game actually playing itself out in the field in realtime, it becomes very clear to see why this is.
Now, having said that, no, being a very good lover, as a Man, isn’t the end all be all, nor did I say so above; as you will recall, I mentioned three points in response to Doug. The sexual piece was the last one.
But, I still maintain, that we all know a Woman or number of Women, who is with or was with a Man, *because* he was so good in bed. Now we can quibble over whether that’s right or wrong, fair enough. All’s I’m sayin’ is, we all know Women like that. And they’re a bit more plentiful than we might want to admit.
Addressing your opening remark about laying a Woman right the first time and then walking all over her as a result, I’m sorry that’s never been my M.O. And I don’t foresee it being so anytime soon. I was always taught that just about any Woman is good for a one night stand, but if you want to hook her, you gotta have her three times. And I don’t see the connection between laying her right and then walking all over her, but then I’ve never been the pump and dump type.
Most Women don’t cum, let alone cum hard, from sex, Pez. That’s not me saying it, that’s the scores of studies and articles and “war councils” who say it. And one of the major reasons is, because most guys out either don’t know what to do or don’t care because they just trying to get theirs. And we all know it don’t take much for a Man to bust a nut.
Holla back
O
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pez said
“…But I had a guy friend who was only Beta to me…only 5′4″…”
Was he beta only because he was short? If he had been taller, would it have made a difference to his alpha/beta status?
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Pez,
Just read your comments about your shorter, Beta Man. I’m curious: what was it about him that made you overlook his Betaness and lack of height, to make you give up the panties? From what you write, he was good in bed, yes? But even if that was so, he still had to have something about him, even moreso given his drawbacks, to lead you two to bed ultimately.
I ask because, as Roissy has noted earlier, Women have a more fluid notion of what is and is not attractive in a Man than the other way around-for the majority of Men, the gal’s either hot or not. Rarely will you hear a guy say “she’s not even my type” while dating her. But we hear this all the time w/Women in relation to Men.
Looking forward to your comments. Thanks.
O
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Ode to me.
I’m having to much empathy for people, i couldn’t dump anyone in a cruel way, i rather make a bit fool of myself then to hurt the another person,
I strive to be nice without being royally fucked over, its hard in the beginning but then it rolls,
Sometimes due to my kindness, people suck my blood, i get rid of them, they think they can because i’m soft, but they don’t. I get rid if them in a nice way, they don’t even miss me in the end. I’m not doing dramas, i don’t talk shit about people. Its all about who you will see in the mirror in the morning, if you are smart enough you will feel guilt over what you did, others will never notice, it doesn’t matter.
I do trust people, its a very must, as i would say, every fifth person is a trustworthy one, the others you can have as superficial friends, then there is every other fifth one, that will want you bad, recognize them and get rid of them in i descent way, its not so hard.
When i read this blog i think, people here are nagging to much about their lifes, parents divorce or about their wifes, husbands or life, some other people seems quite happy but cocky,
What it comes to Roissy, he is not that bad, i have only followed this blog a couple of month’s, but he doesn’t seem to bad, and game is very important, not just to pick up girls or boys, but for life, i have my game, whatever works for anyone.
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Hey O,
You are right in your assumption, I am a woman. Yeah, I used the expression about women getting laid right because there is truth to it. We all know some sniviller claiming “you can do what ever you want, just don’t ever leave me.” There are men that fit that one too. Pathetic moments that show some equate great sex with unbounded love. Stalker types…I get shivers thinking about it.
And as a woman, yes, I can pretty much have sex whenever I want. But, I did say it was rare to come across mind blowing sex. I know its not something to take for granted. Its not just skill and experience, its chemistry. There are just some very rare occaisions where it’s so good you do it till it hurts!
I sigh at the memory…
As for studies on women’s sexuality and orgasm? Well, that’s true its not always gonna happen from straight sex, for a variety of reasons…but usually 4 stand out..That ease you mentioned for guys, yeah if it means minute man sex, too many toys, repression, and not enough kegels!!! Kegels make all the difference in the world….but I’m digressing
Yes you’re right you did state two other points to the equation. Without a guy showing confidence in himself, aka, being a man, as well as the emotion connection, there won’t be more to the moment. Alpha traits combined with kindness go along way in playing the Game.
Ego is very important…you gotta have one, but it should also be realistic. Know your strengths and weaknesses. but when it switches over to narcissism or unrealistic veiws of oneself, byebye.
To Anonymous…No he wasn’t Beta because of his height, it was his attidude about his height…his lack of confidence. ie, he wasn’t thrilled when I wore spiked heels, gimme a break here.
pez
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Hey O,
To answer your question about shortie….Jeez, he was at first just a bud, we met a a party, he made me laugh, he was a wild man, attractive except for his height, wealthy, always had a girl of at least a 7 on roissy scale, but usually bitchy. ( I hate being this superficial, but I’m a 9, my best look is jeans and a T, no makeup) I had my own guy friend at the time…
We hung out one night, with a crew of friends…we were the last ones standing and made a reckless endevour based on booze and libido…
The lack of confidence stuff came out later, one on one.
pez
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Empirical, not theoretical.
You’re not being empirical, you’re cherry picking to fit your predetermined theory. In many ways, you are the mirror image of Clio, who also claims to be speaking purely from experience, but who pretty blatantly tries to put a pretty pro-female spin on anything to do with beta males.
z has summed up most women’s reactions to betas really well:
“Beta men are like fat chicks you work with. As long as they do their job, are nice to you, not bitchy and dont smell or something,……………..you don’t mind them at all. As soon as they hit on you, you get uncomfortable because you dont want to hurt their feelings and have some resentful lard-ass in the office with you, and wish they didn’t work there.”
Just being kind of beta with his g/f on the phone and overheard. He’ll get cut to pieces later when he’s out of earshot.
In my experience, most women do not get off trashing beta males in relationships. They tend to use words like “sweet” to describe them. That may be condescending, but it isn’t hateful. Tyler Durden has noted how when you are really bad with women and you first start approaching them, they will often be really nice to you and happy for you to stick around and hang out with them. They will think you are cute and dorky. It’s only when you start getting more assertive in inserting yourself into her romantic purview that you will start getting nastier responses.
On the other hand, if you are saying there is a good percentage of just plain nasty bitches out there, that’s true. Some women do get off on trashing the less attractive, both male and female. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are representative of femalekind.
My experience with women in general is that they are most hateful towards other women, not towards beta males. You want to see hate. That is visceral and nasty. I find it remarkable that they have been so completely able to disguise their overwhelming hatred of betas from me, but can’t seem to conceal their hatred of each other.
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~~~ pez ~~~
“To Anonymous No he wasn’t Beta because of his height [snip] gimme a break here.”
Well *you* mentioned height, which was why I asked.
So shortness with confidence is OK?
Does it beat height and less confidence?
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Whiskey attitude towards women reminds me of Harold Bloom’s definition of reductionism as when you take the worst thing that you can say about someone or something that is true, or true enough, and then take that for the whole truth. This kind of reductionist is always asking, “So, what are they really like?”*
There is a nice series of articles here on how getting into game can warp your view of the world. The following is particularly relevant:
Trading one set of misguided ideas about women for another
Before they get into the Community, the typical guy has beliefs about women such as:
Women are special, beautiful creatures.
Women need to be saved and protected.
Women need to be loved and nurtured.
You need to make women feel special.
Women need to be wined and dined and romanced.
Women want nice guys.
Women don’t like sex.
A little too naive and romantic in other words. Then they get into the Community and before long they’ve been exposed to ideas like:
Women are flaky and unreliable.
Women are emotional and illogical.
Women only live in the emotion of the moment, do what feels good at the time, and justify their actions to themselves after the fact.
Women are manipulative and use guys for free drinks and dinners.
Women are fickle and have short attention spans.
Women are self-centered and self-interested.
Women primarily go to clubs for attention and validation from men.
Women constantly test men, try to devalue them, and try to make them jump through hoops.
Women try to make men suck up to them and put them on a pedestal.
Women think their pussies are made of gold and sell them to the highest bidder.
Women don’t know what they really want.
Women are confused and hypocritical. They’ll profess to dislike whorish behavior then blow a guy in a bathroom that night.
Women are programmed to want to get knocked up by an Alpha Male then ensnare an unwitting Beta Male into raising the child for her.
Women will cheat on their partners coldly and unemotionally.
Women are slaves to how their friends and society sees them. They want to sleep around, but have to be discrete about it.
Society’s expectations have given women all kinds of weird hang ups up about sex and hooking up. Their minds are full of strange rationalizations and justifications.
Women are powerless to resist the right type of guy. Even if they’re married, they’ll get sucked along.
Women are easily manipulated by simple magic tricks and talk of new agey topics.
I’m not saying there’s no truth at all in these statements, of course there’s some. These statements do describe some women, or the way some women act in certain circumstances. But taken as a whole, you gotta admit this set of beliefs is pretty negative, misogynistic even. Just as all women aren’t special creatures that need to be rescued, they aren’t all fickle, emotional, and selfish either. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, and it depends on the girl.
*Note that this is not the same as the good reductionism that is the basis of science.
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Yes, anonymous, it does. Everyone has flaws, you need a backbone.
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~~~ pez ~~~
I have a backbone. I also have curiosity. That is why I asked.
[I suspected the answer would be yes, but it never hurts to check]
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I didnt mean you, just in general.
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~~~ pez ~~~
” I didnt mean you, just in general. ”
OK. Taking it personally. Maybe I DO need need backbone 🙂
[but a guy does need to defend himself]
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nobody named
anonymous
ever need defend
themselves
that’s what your fuckin’ sn is for
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Hi Pez,
Thanks for the reply and comments. Yes, we agree, Kegels are very important, and I would tell any Woman that if she wants a Man to pop off right quick, she needs to learn how to make her coochie pop. Works everytime. But you’d be surprised by how many Women are so flabby down there.
Forging an emotional connection with a Woman is vital in a sexual relationship, that is, if your goal is to make her cum hard, which is mine. No need to belabour the reasons as to why this is at this point, they are pretty well known by now.
If you don’t mind my asking, how tall are you in stocking feet? I’ve been told by several tall Women that they’ve avoided shorter Men not because of them being short but because they, the shorter Men, tended to have insecurity problems with the Woman being taller than themselves, all the moreso if heels and the like were involved. As one who’s dated very tall Women in the past and presently, its never bothered me one lil bit. I see a Woman in front of me first and foremost, and I’m a Man, therefore the parts will fit and get on with. Besides, the all time great Yoda, said it best:
Size, matters not.
Not if you got your head screwed on right and its in the Game, that is. 😉
Holla back
O
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Obsidian:
Black guys do the darndest things.
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Interesting Thursday.
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The best rejection I ever gave? “Go to hell!” It worked.
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When my game was abysmal, I kept many a relationship and FWB situation going through pure, primal, Mediaeval Animal Luv.
The dichotomy was so strong – terrible game, great sex – that a few women had me in their Little Black Book on the regular, yet wouldn’t want anything to do with me outside the bedroom. At the time, I had no idea how rare that is.
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Thursday —
That’s quite good. I largely agree. Though I’d say the truth is closer to the “Community” view than the traditional Anglosphere chivalrous one in these media feminist propagandized, and high female earnings times. Those high earnings are due in no small part to various kinds of affirmative action beginning in elementary school, and putting down men and especially somewhat macho men beginning there.
Of course if he’s macho enough, and especially if he isn’t SWPL, that last isn’t likely to work so well.
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Doug:
I wouldn’t disagree. There is a little bit of that second list in even the best women. But it isn’t the whole truth about females. Not even close.
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Thursday
“There is a nice series of articles here on how getting into game can warp your view of the world. The following is particularly relevant:
Trading one set of misguided ideas about women for another
Before they get into the Community, the typical guy has beliefs about women such as: ”
Actually, that latter set of values you state is an overcompensation came well before The Gentlemanly Era.
They also were in place for tens of thousands of years.
Before the created Western notion of “courtly love” arrived to de-ball Western Man
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“For all of you who have hopes about going back to a mythical past where white men were men.. and blah blah.. keep on dreaming. There never was such a past, and you are not special..”
Proof Lucifer has never been to the Japan I knew. I have been back. It’s not the same place, and I’m not the same man. That was then, but it was magic.
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MarkD undrstands.
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Hey O,
I’m not tall…5’4″, but in 4 inch heels to a short guy with a complex..well
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pez
If he did not care about the height difference, would you?
In other words, do you mind that, in heels, you stand taller then him?
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I’ll try not to pretend to represent other women! Even if I wasn’t somewhat unusual, a lot of behaviour across both genders puzzles the hell out of me. Things like romance novels or this blog aren’t the bible of relationships or anything. They only give pointers in some things, for someone who’s looking at it the right way.
Kthulah + Lucifer: I wonder if better education & critical thinking skills leads people much more easily to the black-tinted rationalisation that is so much a part of depression?
Thursday: What you said, it’s beautifully and clearly expressed. Even though it shouldn’t be, I think it’s something to be reminded of.
Sara: I think it speaks for my feministic tendencies that when you went ‘go to hell!’, I thought ‘he probably did something awful to deserve it!’. Yet, I have zero information on the scenario.
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okay, so I just read your retorts thread and some of them are pretty funny. What I haven’t figured out is how to mitigate a “stare and walk away saying nothing rejection”. Any pointers?
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Look after her with a puzzled face then have an epiphany, turn to the nearest hottie, ‘Damn, I forgot she used to like me back in highschool. Thought she looked familiar. Just remembered I used to know her. No wonder she was offended. She was a bit… different then. Oh, sorry! You looked like a listener.’
I’m completely clueless, but hell! IT’S FUN.
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See, I usually do my homework before my approach, but there are times when I slip and end up in that awkward walk away and the nearest backup is miles away. So the walk of shame it is.
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“My deputy, Sarah, the general manager, first showed how much style mattered when she advertised for an office assistant and refused to hire the best-qualified girl because she could not distinguish Missoni from Marc Jacobs. This girl would have been making tea and running errands. But I didn’t challenge the decision not to hire her because I had a policy of picking my battles carefully.”
Stupid. This is the perfect battle to pick.
First, you’re obviously right, so the other person can only argue so far.
Second, you’re in charge. Who’s gonna take on their boss on day one over penny ante shit like this? You’ll rack up a victory.
Third, you establish the tone early. This is really important with your people who oversee other people. You are utterly dependent on your middle managers’ ability to pick and grade people on their competence. So you’d better say early on – “If you don’t want me second guessing you, you’d better judge people on talent and qualifications, and not your own trivial obsessions.”
Otherwise, you’ll have idiot middle managers building their own little fiefdoms of simpering no-talent yes people and undermining you in the process.
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“Two of the skinny girls often snidely said about the largest girl: ‘I’d kill myself if I got that fat.’ One of the assistants got her own back on the food police for several weeks by pretending to buy them fat-free lattes. . . which were really full-fat.”
Promote her.
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Bhetti wonders, “Kthulah + Lucifer: I wonder if better education & critical thinking skills leads people much more easily to the black-tinted rationalisation that is so much a part of depression?”
I’m not sure if black tinted rationalisation leads to depression. In my case, it has been very freeing, but I have to take care about it or it will lead me to callousness.
Where it’s freeing is when it comes to actually deciding to love people despite understanding that “people = shit”. I can take one for the team, so to speak, simply because it is my species, and I feel no shame about species preservation urges. At the same time though, if there is a cancer in the body, I feel no remorse at all about cutting it out in my way.
This may sound a bit gloomy spelling it out, but again, it is very freeing, and happy making. As an example, I’ve helped quite a few businesses get ahead simply by figuring out how those who shut them out or exploited them could be taken out of the picture. Parasites should be treated as such, and nature doesn’t punish any creature for cleaning itself of them.
So…if a woman conducts herself in a way that her only value to a man is the hole of meat between her legs, and a man conducts himself in a way that his only value to a woman is the hole of money in the side of his pants, then I’d say that’s a match made in Darwinian heaven.
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“ask yourself one question.. if you ceased to be ‘alpha’.. what happens to the ‘love’
Lucifer: Nothing in this world is unconditional except a woman’s love for her baby. That’s the only unconditional love there is. It’s painful to realize this but realizing it is a step toward wisdom.
Houellebecq had a moving passage in one of his novels with an example of a she-lion tenderly licking her young. And how everything else is worthless, brutish, hateful violence. Your creation, Lucifer.
A woman is a force of nature and a whirl of amoral energy. It is a man’s job to draw her and posess her in his exclusive and unbreakable orbit. If she is a quality woman and he does it right, she will be his forever.
”
bullshit. Women divorce their husbands and take them out of their children’s lives on any bullshit whim, that’s not unconditional love for their children. That’s selfish disregard for the welfare of anyone but themselves and their vaginas.
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