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How To Sell Yourself To Girls

April 9, 2009 by CH

Lie to me, I promise I’ll believe…

I had a friend who was a stockbroker. He was good at his craft. When anyone asked him his secret to success, he always said “How do I kill in this business? Practice. In college, I had to sell myself to the girls!”

There are very few jobs or hobbies that, if described with 100% candor, would intrigue a girl to pussy exploding abandon. Espionage is one. President of the United States is another. You can’t go wrong with jewel thief either. But for most aspiring ladykillers, the word of the day is embellish.

Here’s how this works. Let’s say you’re a CAD monkey architect and your hobbies are biking to Whole Foods for smelly French cheese, building computers, and masturbating. Your only travel experience is a vacation to Turks and Caicos. (You’re in good company. This describes 98% of men.) Now most girls, if they’re interested, want to know what you do. They have a dedicated neural network pulsating in the pastel-colored folds of their girly brains that impels them to suss out how a man makes his living and how he goes about living. But, being women, they also have a contradictory twin neural matrix that would rather you not tell them the whole, eye-glazing truth. Their need to scrutinize is held in check by their need to fantasize. So this is what you tell her:

“Oh, I’m a creator. I guess you could say I bring together art and science in the design of living space. You heard of feng shui? I’m all about it. That’s the life of a cutting edge architect. My hobbies? I mountain bike competitively. There’s nothing like the rush of careening down a muddy, rocky trail in the scenic wilderness of a rugged foreign land, the giant fronds of tropical plants slapping you in the face along the way. It’s breathtaking! I’m also something of an electronics whiz and once tried to hack into a Chinese government website back when I was a rebellious kid. Some people say I’m a very passionate guy, so much so that I can hardly contain my passion. And to tell you the truth, it gets me in trouble more often than not.”

See? Not too truthful, not too deceitful. Like Baby Bear’s porridge, juuuuuust right.

Another example:

Real You: Intern at psychiatric hospital, avid music downloader, 70s porn lover.

Embellished You: Investigator of human social dynamics under stress, music critic and indie scene connoisseur (or DJ in a pinch), erotic art collector.

Women want the varnished truth. Every man with an ounce of common sense about women and a healthy streak of amoralism will polish his sales pitch. Even Brad Pitt glosses over The Mexican. It’s a testament to how ignorant the majority of men are about women’s motivations that so many of them won’t or can’t embellish their lives in service to their loins. They think in their honesty they are being virtuous, but they are only being boring, lazy and bland.

Some men will wonder how long the pretty lies can remain undiscovered. What if you want an LTR with a girl? She’ll find out eventually, right? Wrong. First, most girls don’t really want the 411 on the dirty little details of your tiresome lifestory or career, unless they suspect you of cheating. They *like* the ruse. Second, as long as they aren’t working in the same office with you they will never really know what you do. And you know what? They don’t want to.

Maxim #39: Never tell a girl how much you make, even if you’re loaded. In case of marriage, keep separate accounts.

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  1. on April 9, 2009 at 11:39 am AJT

    In Goodfellas, Henry (Liotta) just tells Karen (Bracco) that he’s ‘in construction…management’ when Karen asks about his income. He doesn’t embellish. She eventually finds out about his mob ties, obviously, but initially she’s just impressed by the money and connections he has.

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  2. on April 9, 2009 at 11:46 am Fabian

    Roissy –

    Great post. Your “embellished” lines by the architect make me wish I was an architect so I could use them.

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  3. on April 9, 2009 at 11:50 am roissy

    In Goodfellas, Henry (Liotta) just tells Karen (Bracco) that he’s ‘in construction…management’ when Karen asks about his income. He doesn’t embellish.

    that’s an embellishment by omission.

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  4. on April 9, 2009 at 11:52 am tunacanman

    good points roissy.

    saw this today – worthy of a species alpha beta analysis by the good roissy?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30108925/

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  5. on April 9, 2009 at 11:54 am The G Manifesto

    Excellent post.

    The higher level of this is Becoming that person.

    Me?

    I realized at a young age, that girls liked guys that lead exciting and dangerous lives.

    So I started flipping E-Tabs.

    Moved into “Standing over” Drug Dealers.

    I have heisted fine art as well. Import-Exports.

    Now I am transitioning for the future with “Tech-Crim Crews”.

    Side note:

    Rich Fly upperclass Tijuana Girls: I got the formula.

    No one swoops more fly TJ girls than I do now. Numero Uno.

    Call me “Arellano Felix”.

    – MPM

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  6. on April 9, 2009 at 12:03 pm PA

    Good embellishment for an accountant:

    I take care of the boss’s money and keep a cut for myself.

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  7. on April 9, 2009 at 12:06 pm Zdeno

    Of course, outright lying has its uses as well.

    I haven’t traveled much. Many of my friends have, though, so whenever the subject comes up, I just get the girl to tell me where she’s been, and then bust out a few stories I’ve heard from vagabonding friends.

    If I ever get called on it later, I’ll probably just say “oh, I was just lying to get in your pants” and I don’t think it’ll be a problem.

    Zdeno

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  8. on April 9, 2009 at 12:07 pm Seeking Alpha

    I lower American indebtedness by demanding steep concessions from corporations look to raise money?

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  9. on April 9, 2009 at 12:13 pm roissy

    I lower American indebtedness by demanding steep concessions from corporations look to raise money?

    too dry.
    this is better:
    “i make sure the money gets to where it’s needed on the terms of my choosing.”

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  10. on April 9, 2009 at 12:17 pm Bhetti

    Haha, now the synaptic explosions are emitting from pastel coloured neurones! You need to stop this, roissy.

    I think what you’re saying is more ‘how clever are you with language and tone?’ because I think you Americans are exposed to enough dodgy salesmen to know when someone’s talking euphemistic bull.

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  11. on April 9, 2009 at 12:20 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Roissy – Much better! Too bad I won’t get to try these out. Despite the advice of our fearless leader, I recently made a big, bright, shiny purchase.

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  12. on April 9, 2009 at 12:20 pm Carl Sagan

    Solid post.

    I think the general sentiment is that girls want a dangerous and exciting man. That’s why telling a girl you are a spy or a gangster or whatever will score you HUGE points vs a lawyer, stock broker etc.

    Sometimes I wish I really was a gangster. But my moral compass is way too well developed to go back now.

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  13. on April 9, 2009 at 12:20 pm Sarsen

    Since I think it’s a dumb question, I usually say I’m a ‘Psycho killer, Qu’est-ce que c’est” and change the subject.

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  14. on April 9, 2009 at 12:21 pm ironrailsironweights

    70s porn lover

    And we all know what was prominently featured in 70s porn. Ah, the good old days.

    Peter

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  15. on April 9, 2009 at 12:22 pm Seeking Alpha

    That’s why telling a girl you are a spy or a gangster or whatever will score you HUGE points vs a lawyer, stock broker etc.

    Sometimes I wish I really was a gangster. But my moral compass is way too well developed to go back now.

    Interesting question. A lawyer or stock broker convinces you to give up your money. A gangster just takes it. One is certainly nicer than the other, but when a lawyer is billing you 140 hours a week or a stock broker is convincing you that Pets.com is a great investment…

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  16. on April 9, 2009 at 12:26 pm Prairie Villain

    Tell her you’re a dentist who does lotsa charity work in third world countries for a group called Dentists Without Borders.

    Then ask her if she’d like you to fill her cavity.

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  17. on April 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm Anthony L Wrightson

    Does anyone believe the G’s bullshit.

    70’s porn lover? I’m betting that Peter is the only one. Three words….GNP

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  18. on April 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm roissy

    seeking the dissolution of america:
    Despite the advice of our fearless leader, I recently made a big, bright, shiny purchase.

    is she mexican? that would explain a lot.

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  19. on April 9, 2009 at 12:35 pm Lupo

    What would you do when you actually do have an interesting life? I mean, my story is pretty nuts. I try to only divvy it out in little pieces for fear of sounding like something out of comic books.

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  20. on April 9, 2009 at 12:36 pm Thursday

    There is one more common mistake guys make: if you share a career with a women, do not talk shop with them. It is all too easy to engage them on a logical level. The conversation will go well, she will often be interested in what you have to say, and then she will tell you how nice it was to meet you and that will be the end of it.

    On the other hand, with other women, don’t stick too hard and fast to the rule that you shouldn’t talk about work. There will often be aspects of your job that are quite interesting to women. Feel free to talk about those, especially if they show you in a good light. Just don’t get technical.

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  21. on April 9, 2009 at 12:36 pm Seeking Alpha

    is she mexican? that would explain a lot.

    Parents are Iranian professionals who fled the revolution. They’re even Aryan, so they’re purer than those sexy but inferior Slavs, right?

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  22. on April 9, 2009 at 12:39 pm Lupo

    “70’s porn lover? I’m betting that Peter is the only one.”

    Nonsense. I prefer 70/80s and foreign porn because I like women with narrow waists and real tits. Crotch fur is gross, but not as nasty as women with saline bags and manly sausage-like waist to hip ratios. The makeup smeared, central valley fembots with chest melons sewed on: I couldn’t get a chubby for them if 20 of them danced the can-can for me.

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  23. on April 9, 2009 at 12:43 pm schoolboy

    Roissy, where can I find your maxims compiled?

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  24. on April 9, 2009 at 12:43 pm roissy

    seeking the fracturing of the hated gentile majority:
    They’re even Aryan, so they’re purer than those sexy but inferior Slavs, right?

    purity’s got nothing to do with it. but compatibility does.

    ps aryan is a scare word wielded by the intellectually bankrupt. especially when it’s not germane to the argument.

    pps traitor.

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  25. on April 9, 2009 at 12:45 pm roissy

    Roissy, where can I find your maxims compiled?

    i’ll put together a post of them in the near future.

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  26. on April 9, 2009 at 12:46 pm Seeking Alpha

    How’d I become your favorite commenter to respond to? Wouldn’t your time be better spent working on Predator Slut?

    I do appreciate the well-wishes though, thank you.

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  27. on April 9, 2009 at 12:49 pm The G Manifesto

    “They think in their honesty they are being virtuous, but they are only being boring, lazy and bland.”

    Fuck honesty.

    The people that go on and on about “honesty” are always the biggest liars.

    – MPM

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  28. on April 9, 2009 at 12:52 pm maurice

    I make the world safe for democracy. travel the world promoting peace, freedom and capitalism. Woo-ha!

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  29. on April 9, 2009 at 12:55 pm Firepower

    Women are like children
    that need be lured into reality with the promise of fables.

    It’ like trapping bunnies with crumbs of donuts

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  30. on April 9, 2009 at 12:59 pm Traveller

    “70’s porn lover? I’m betting that Peter is the only one.”

    70s porn is actual art. There’s plot, hot sex, and real cinematography. See BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR, THE OPENING OF MISTY BEETHOVEN, 3 AM, THE IMAGE, THE DEVIL IN MISS JONES, etc. Video was the worst thing to ever happen to porn.

    Re: Jobs

    I once made the tremendous mistake of telling a girl what I was actually doing at the time (“Oh, I’m an auditor”). It must be one of those words you must not utter under any circumstances, because her eyes immediately glazed over, her mouth went from smile to Mona Lisa, and her countenance completely fell. Embellishments are definitely the road best travelled. Or, I just tell the girl with a smirk: “I rob banks.” Case closed.

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  31. on April 9, 2009 at 1:06 pm The G Manifesto

    ”Oh, I’m an auditor”

    Yeah, that’s a terrible line.

    Another horrible one (I can’t believe guys always say this):

    “I am in town on a conference”

    Bad move.

    “Truth” is a funny thing.

    For example, I always tell the truth about my life, yet most people don’t believe me.

    Most of the time, I can only get people to believe me when I lie and downplay stuff.

    The life of a G…

    – MPM

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  32. on April 9, 2009 at 1:09 pm Bhetti

    I’m seeing a negative theme here so just pointing out that policemen, firemen and military’s always popular. I think men and women tend to idealise the same sort of professions, really. It’s influenced by popularity too. I don’t get the NASCAR (?!) not being in the US of A but I’m sure you guys do.

    Consider the idea that a man looks good in any sort of uniform, including a suit.

    There was this Lebanese hairdresser I went to, who usually was good at pretending to be metro — adopting a fake name as well — but decided to be all businesslike & gruff this time with a third party mentioning that he was ‘good with the women, if you know what I mean’ as well as causing him to mention his wife or two that day. Hidden wolf among sheep, anyone?

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  33. on April 9, 2009 at 1:10 pm roissy

    seeking a lifetime of indentured servitude:
    How’d I become your favorite commenter to respond to?

    i only respond to commenters who inspire me.
    consider it a mark of pride that i should direct my hating ministrations your way.

    I do appreciate the well-wishes though, thank you.

    please tell me you didn’t drop to one knee.

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  34. on April 9, 2009 at 1:11 pm pez

    Bravo! Very funny but true that a glossy glammed bio does wonders! But equally important is the non-chalant way its delivered.

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  35. on April 9, 2009 at 1:12 pm Cannon's Canon

    SA: “Much better! Too bad I won’t get to try these out. Despite the advice of our fearless leader, I recently made a big, bright, shiny purchase.”

    Perhaps, in five years, you will get to try those lines after all, adding in something clever about alimony.

    “… and contributing to female well-being!”

    Or it all goes well. Good luck with that though. I might just comb the New York Beta Times for an announcement and nominate you for BotM.

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  36. on April 9, 2009 at 1:24 pm Carl Sagan

    Just throwing it out there, but the more I read this blog and the more I reflect upon what I already know about women, I have to admit that any logically discussion with them is a complete and utter buzz kill.

    I think that should be your #1 maxim roissy.

    Just sayin’

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  37. on April 9, 2009 at 1:24 pm The G Manifesto

    “I’m seeing a negative theme here so just pointing out that policemen, firemen and military’s always popular.”

    These work decent on “regular girl”. Policman? No shot.

    You have to come with more swag to swoop rich beautiful girls. And have more scratch.

    Although Latin American Generals swoop mad girls.

    One of my good friends is the son of one (Latin American General). He gets it cooking like Crisco from El Salvador to Frisco.

    Nascar? Wack.

    Formula One driver is smooth.

    Polo player as well.

    I have been known to play some Polo in Buenos.

    – MPM

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  38. on April 9, 2009 at 1:34 pm Seeking Alpha

    please tell me you didn’t drop to one knee.

    That’s not the plan, no.

    I might just comb the New York Beta Times for an announcement and nominate you for BotM.

    Now what are the odds that a dedicated Roissy reader would do something g a y like that?

    It is possible to get married and not be a beta. No matter how few immigrants we have, our country is f*cked if no one gets married.

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  39. on April 9, 2009 at 1:36 pm Cannon's Canon

    “He gets it cooking like Crisco from El Salvador to Frisco.”

    That Cam track is murderous right? I have had it looped all day!

    “Some girls say I’m the cutest – I would say that I’m the rudest” – splendid alpha banter

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  40. on April 9, 2009 at 1:38 pm PA

    possible to get married and not be a beta

    As long as the girl loves you. Or adores you, as Dougjnn puts it. And you keep it that way.

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  41. on April 9, 2009 at 1:38 pm The G Manifesto

    Cannon’s Canon,

    Great eye/ear.

    I just had to flip that line.

    Like a brick.

    – MPM

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  42. on April 9, 2009 at 1:43 pm Cannon's Canon

    “I might just comb the New York Beta Times for an announcement and nominate you for BotM.”

    “Now what are the odds that a dedicated Roissy reader would do something g a y like that?”

    Well, I wouldn’t actually. I mostly stick to reading pink newspapers. Now THAT sounds gay!

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  43. on April 9, 2009 at 1:47 pm Sherman McCoy

    “Oh I try to sell a few bonds for Pierce & Pierce . . .”

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  44. on April 9, 2009 at 1:49 pm contrarian

    roissy

    Some men will wonder how long the pretty lies can remain undiscovered. What if you want an LTR with a girl? She’ll find out eventually, right? Wrong.

    This is bad advice. You should just stick to what you know: short-term relationships.

    Anthony L Wrightson

    Does anyone believe the G’s bullshit.

    I sure hope not.

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  45. on April 9, 2009 at 1:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well he said he was going for the 6 kids and now this. How long have you two been together seeking?

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  46. on April 9, 2009 at 1:51 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    I dunno… do you really need embellishment for high status careers?

    Economist at the fed? Investment Banker? Stockbroker? I dunno if you can really make any of those sound much better cause they already have a nice power and wealth connotation.

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  47. on April 9, 2009 at 1:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””Lupo
    What would you do when you actually do have an interesting life? I mean, my story is pretty nuts. I try to only divvy it out in little pieces for fear of sounding like something out of comic books.”””””””

    LOL Lupo

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  48. on April 9, 2009 at 1:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””Roissy Maxim #39: Never tell a girl how much you make, even if you’re loaded. In case of marriage, keep separate accounts.””””””””””

    This should actually become law. Seeking remember this one for your and your new wifes sake.

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  49. on April 9, 2009 at 1:57 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    When I worked at an office before enlisting, writing web code and fixing computers – i was a tub of shit with bad posture, unhealthy habits and just exuded a beat down loser vibe. I only ever got laid by getting lucky, slumming or just paying for it.

    Years later, I changed that all and I’m Army Special Ops in Tampa (MacDill AFB). Tampa isn’t a military town, so when I let chicks know I shoot guns and jump out of planes, they naturally get wet. It helps that I’m good looking, in shape, and have shed most of my beta ways through game. The chicks at USF eat this shit up and ask for seconds.

    Can’t wait to get back there. Fuck, Afghanistan sucks.

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  50. on April 9, 2009 at 2:01 pm Ovid

    How’s this.”I’m a porn producer,you lookin’ for work?”

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  51. on April 9, 2009 at 2:02 pm Seeking Alpha

    Well, I wouldn’t actually. I mostly stick to reading pink newspapers. Now THAT sounds gay!

    FT?

    Well he said he was going for the 6 kids and now this. How long have you two been together seeking?

    Four years. She stuck with me when I was a lonely stoner in college, and she never asks to have money spent on her. She cooks, cleans, and never says no. Comes from a traditional family with a strong father who doesn’t treat her like a princess and isn’t afraid to tell her when she’s wrong, as do I frequently. I’m happy with my odds.

    And worst comes to worse, I polish off my copy of Neil Strauss’ emergency, move my assets offshore, and use Roissy tips to clean up.

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  52. on April 9, 2009 at 2:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    What age did you do it Truth?

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  53. on April 9, 2009 at 2:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    That sounds like a decent start and a back up plan lol

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  54. on April 9, 2009 at 2:11 pm roissy

    seeking 50/50 odds:
    She stuck with me when I was a lonely stoner in college, and she never asks to have money spent on her. She cooks, cleans, and never says no.

    why would you want to ruin a good thing with marriage?

    prediction: she’ll change after the first bite of wedding cake. i hope you’re up to the task.

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  55. on April 9, 2009 at 2:12 pm Obsidian

    I have to say, that I can’t recall having any trouble in this area, although in fairness, and Doug and I were speaking to this earlier on the best/worst thread, simply being gainfully employed is enough to satisfy most Sistas in that department. That may be sad, but it is true nonetheless. So perhaps a bit of context might be in order here.

    O

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  56. on April 9, 2009 at 2:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea did ya do prenump. 50/50 odds do blow.

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  57. on April 9, 2009 at 2:21 pm Seeking Alpha

    prediction: she’ll change after the first bite of wedding cake. i hope you’re up to the task.

    Well you’ve got a product to protect so I understand.

    Then again, if you’ve done your job right, I should be able to handle it.

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  58. on April 9, 2009 at 2:21 pm Obsidian

    Gunslinger,
    I’m no barrister, but I’ve heard that prenuptual agreements can be broken during the divorce proceedings, and from what I’ve heard this has indeed happened. Have you or anyone else heard the same things? If so, it would seem all the more reason to avoid marriage if you’re a Man unless you can in some other way vouchsafe for the Woman you’re about to wed.

    Any insights on this would be appreciated. Thanks.

    O

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  59. on April 9, 2009 at 2:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea read trumps book it can get messed up. Why someone Maybe lurker here suggested getting it videotaped along with her having lawyer and him. I think it might be good to bring it up though maybe just to gauge reaction. My buddy here brought it up to his girlfriend and her reaction was by the book female. thing is if a woman is a good woman she will have no problem getting a man to take care of her or give her shit. Woman do not need someone else to make a man give them shit unless they are trully not worthy of it.

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  60. on April 9, 2009 at 2:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    And if it is not of the guys own free will I think we can call it stealing.

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  61. on April 9, 2009 at 2:32 pm Obsidian

    Seeking Alpha,
    Congrats on the upcoming wedding etc, and I would also suggest you making good friends w/PA & Dave from Hawaii, as they are Men who have been married for sometime now and can assist you in how to apply Game under those conditions. I tend to be a bit more optimistic than Roissy, LOL, but he’s right: things change. Hopefully for the better, but you never know until after the fact.

    Lastly: I’m curious. Its my understanding that Iran has had in its past, a small portion of Jews within its borders. Is your wife to be from among this group?

    O

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  62. on April 9, 2009 at 2:36 pm Cannon's Canon

    Not to derail the anti-marriage tangent, but I would like to submit some game for scrutiny and intense ridicule.

    I texted “This relationship needs more passion, I am bored” to a stale number in my phone around conventional lunchtime today. So far, it has been smoked, so it’s time to delete.

    Was this:
    a) a sporting tease from a frisky alpha
    b) the hung over mewing of a needy beta
    ?

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  63. on April 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian–

    I’m no barrister, but I’ve heard that prenuptual agreements can be broken during the divorce proceedings, and from what I’ve heard this has indeed happened.

    You mentioned Barrister so first I’ll say that prenups are essentially completely unenforeable in the UK. The divorce courts there ignore them.

    That’s not true in the US, but there’s a lot of hostility to them and protecting the “taken advantage of woman” by many US divorce judges. However, if you jump through all the hoops, they are enforceable. However, that’s for property division in divorce only.

    With respect to child support they mostly aren’t. The court MAY take them into consideration, or may not. But if it does, it will largely only be for things like true joint custody. It’s essentially never for thing like reducing or capping the child support awards if the woman is awarded the custodial role (even it they call it “joint custody” as a sop to men, as they tend to do in Cali.) That MIGHT not be true at very high levels of child support. I’ve never fully researched that but always intended to. It’s pretty hard to google research actually. Wonder why.

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  64. on April 9, 2009 at 2:40 pm Seeking Alpha

    Hopefully for the better, but you never know until after the fact.

    So true. I’m hardly convinced everything will be fine. I just think my odds are good and I’m not worried if things don’t work out. Girlfriend, no girlfriend. Job, no job. I know how to be happy. That’s real freedom.

    Lastly: I’m curious. Its my understanding that Iran has had in its past, a small portion of Jews within its borders. Is your wife to be from among this group?

    Yes. The family fled after the revolution. It’s quite the story, involving mountains, deserts, and bribed border guards.

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  65. on April 9, 2009 at 2:40 pm Obsidian

    GS,
    WOW! If indeed what you’ve said is true, that’s messed up indeed. But isn’t that illegal at least in concept? Because its the wilful breaking of a presumably legally binding contract?

    Again I’m nowhere near being a lawyer and its quite possible I’m missing something here that would otherwise possibly make sense. But on the face of it, its hard to justify making a deal, then having the court cosign on the reneging of said deal. Not good for marriage in America.

    I wonder what wil happen when this sort of thing begins to happen to gay and lesbian folk, now that it appears that more states are greenlighting marriage for them, too?

    Hmm…

    O

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  66. on April 9, 2009 at 2:42 pm Virgin@40

    Please, answer me that I am talking seriously:

    Is this true?? I mean, is this really true!??

    How come it to be possible that girls want you to embelish what you do once they will just know the real picture if they want to?
    Will they not feel betrayed when they know the truth?

    I mean, I know many people who do that and girls react well, but the second time, most girls will say that the boy is a man who thinks who knows everything and stuff.

    I don’t understand how a girl wants this and I want to understand because I am confident I’ll meet a girl next friday who – if I meet her – will ask me what I do.

    Beta Files:
    Thursday I and my group of friends agreed to meet the girl I’m obssessed/in love with. And because they are mad with her, they did not appeared.
    Once I was the mediator and had never really failed to my ten – who does not care a fuck about me – I was a bit bitter, but she arrived and we lunched and had a great day together just the two of us, chatting, making plans, away from her boyfriend. We spent some three hours alone and the day was just not that wonderfull because the other three hours we spent together was in the company of my best friend (male of course) as well.

    We then agreed that in the following Friday (Last Friday) I would make an arrangement to make her say hello to all of our friends who were invited to a night out because it was one of the friends birthday.
    My ten (yes, she’s a ten) even mannaged to put my name and of some pals of me to go into one very trendy club that evening without paying (one of the best clubs in the Country and one I had never gone) after she had saying hello to our friends.

    However the ambient towards my ten was not great and I had to say for her not to go. This made the night horrible and I stood 7 hours wanting to go home, pretending (I can’t pretend well) that I was having fun in that bad music club with my friends.

    (FAIRY TALE OVER, NOW THE GAME POPS IN)

    But in the beggining, a very nice (a seven) blonde girl came up to me (I had a bad/mad/sad face and was not in the mood of being there) asking for a cigarette. She was smiling, being polite, saying that I could refuse her request and stuff… and asking a cigarette.
    I said very seriously: No, get off, I have few cigarettes.
    I turn to see her reaction and I am amazed that she is not almost crying with bad modes and is only glancing at me, wondering why am I being such a jackass.
    I then said: No… I was kidding, I’m never like that, I am always very nice…
    And she started to speak about three different topics.
    I tried to say the least, I was really not in the mood to be there. And that is why at some point I said: “So, you will hang arround here?” thinking about maybe leaving my friends, call a taxi and go home or invite this new girl out of nothing to go that other great club my ten had invited me (yes, and my ten would see me arrive with a girl she’d know I had just picked up and start thinking that maybe I am not that great looser after all) out of nowhere.

    But after the seven had said she was going to be there. I just looked away and ceased to talk to her, wondering about my ten and also a great pall who left the party because her girlfriend said that since his mother died he’s not as funny any more. That night was awfull and I turned away that random girl because I just wanted to go away.

    —————————————————————-

    So, I’ll be in the same spot last Friday night, pratically all fucking night long up to 3:00 so, if she will be there, and I believe she will, it will be probable for us to meet again. Looking back she was a 7 – which is good enough for the situation I’m in – but she had some traits I do really fancy and appreciate in a girl, not to mention a reason to talk to her and say I’m sorry for something. I believe it will be easy to start a conversation with her.
    Should I embelish what I do?
    Do girls really like that? I was going to say, “oh… I’m so depressed… oh… surrounding by shit… oh… I’m in love with a girl who I have only seen twice in 6 months… and that’s why I was not in the mood that night… oh… but you now make me believe the world is good… you made me better with all your joy and kindness etc etc.”

    Should I cut the depressing things and embelish the little that is slighltly better than shitty?

    Damn, this is so long that if I were you, I’d just skip the comment.

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  67. on April 9, 2009 at 2:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea look at child support and alimony taking money from a man against his will. The guy is being robbed by the gov. A man will give what he feels he should to a woman. There is no law needed. If a woman does not make a man want to take care of his kid. Why would he be forced to. The government is forcing people to basically stay married even though they do get divorced until the kid is 18 or 21. This is bullshit.

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  68. on April 9, 2009 at 2:49 pm Obsidian

    Doug,
    Thanks for the good info on the matter. There’s a group here n Philly who refer to themselves as “The Barristers” and I always took the term to mean “lawyer”. Hmm.

    I’ve heard stories about divorce/paternity/child support law out there in Cali. Brrrr. I’ll take my chances in William Penn’s state. But I’ve heard there’s alimony laws here, too, something that I think, in most cases, needs to be done away with, now that Women often work to support themselves anyway.

    Btw, I feel just as strongly for a Woman who worked hard and gained her good fortune on her own, wanting a prenup, too. I see no problem with either side having one.

    And the fact that over accross the pond prenups are null and void is downright chilling. As you know, our system of law is based on theirs, namely British Common Law. Wow.

    O

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  69. on April 9, 2009 at 2:51 pm dougjnn

    Gunny–

    Alimony outside of child support can be prevented as well.

    At least usually, Maybe if the wife would be in desperate circumstances for awhile (which is bs, if she’s motivated enough) a court might order some get on her feet for awhile, is e.g. she gets NO property in the divorce due to a pre-nup, and has no savings of her own.

    It’s child support=alimony that can’t be much if any limited.

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  70. on April 9, 2009 at 2:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Virgin Just tell her your gonna either create utopia or destroy the world that usually works. Oh and on the side you are gonna be independantly wealthy. Third one puts you in top one percent. First two put you I am not sure where.

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  71. on April 9, 2009 at 2:54 pm dougjnn

    Obsidian–

    Btw, I feel just as strongly for a Woman who worked hard and gained her good fortune on her own, wanting a prenup, too.

    Yeah, I agree.

    But guess what. Really high earning women marrying a lot lower earning (hot) men nearly ALWAYS insist on them and get them. Ask any Beverly Hills or higher end Manhattan divorce attorney. Though it’s not limited to there.

    The culture supports women getting them, or anyway doesn’t much disapprove. It still caries over “chivalry” and of course feminist abhorrence to women getting them.

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  72. on April 9, 2009 at 2:58 pm dougjnn

    Abhorrence to men getting them, is what I meant of course.

    This abhorrence is a lot less when the man is really, really rich, and the prenup will make her minor rich, but save him from have to fork over really painful amounts of his empire. Like Trump’s pre-nups

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  73. on April 9, 2009 at 3:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think the key is if the man and the woman in the relationship work to be free and both have income coming in to support them. So it is a free relationship. Neither one needs the other for shit but sex and love. I’ll let you all know if this works out. I believe achievable. It is just that most woman really are pretty much parasites from what I have see from life.

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  74. on April 9, 2009 at 3:08 pm Sara I

    The bitch here!! The ONLY thing I’m interested in (as far as intimacy is concerned) is LTR, only because I’m of such a physically orientation woman, that I am unable to overcome my biology and not bond with a man after sex. So it’s just friends or bonded like gorilla glue with no in between. My cougar friend doesn’t share my aversion for cheap sex. She would rather enjoy the sexual pleasures of 28 year olds sans expectations of LTR, but even she is not 100% successful in keeping her heart out of the picture. I don’t need that heartache.

    Hold on, there’s a point to this rambling. MY approach with men is to let them know straight out how OLD I really am for one thing. The other night (at work) I had two people ask me flat out how OLD I was. (I told them.) Mainly because the work I do is usually done by much younger people.

    As far as roissy’s embellishments? Cute, but a bit overdone. If one has to embellish to that degree it smacks of childish bullshit. In contrast to the embellishments they really are quite un-enthralled with their own life. I’m surprised it works, but have no doubt that it does.

    My boss (one of them) was complaining last night that his life has no drama unless women are involved. I told him to just not have sex with them and there will be no drama. (Of course what is the point then, hmmmm?) He said that they think having sex “gives them power”. I said, “No. Having sex means they’ve given you THEIR power, and they expect something for that.” He thought that was wise. I said, “That’s because I’m older than you.” He said, “I think I need an older woman!”. Need and want are two different things.

    Right, roissy? There’s the cellulite, the encroaching crepe-like skin, the other kinds of baggage like the years of being lied to by (some) men, the cats, the daughter, the two ex-husbands. the debt, etc. Not that it isn’t worth it, but better to know these things going in. It separates the men from the boys or the intelligent from the unintelligent. You decide which is which.

    Am I bitter? No, I’m too busy and having too much fun, but I don’t exaggerate the fun in order to conceal the un-fun parts, because that’s just LIFE.

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  75. on April 9, 2009 at 3:11 pm dougjnn

    Virgin —

    The main thing a real hottie who has put you into LJBF zone, but does want to hang out with you some (for the ulterior reasons of your helping her get back in with your mutual friends who are mad at her, is social proof.

    This mostly only works in venues where people don’t know the two of you and therefore don’t know the starkness of the nature of the relationship between you.

    That hot club she got you into with others as “payment” for trying to help her was exactly such a venue.

    That’s why the 7 was intrigued by you and came up to you.

    You started out gaming her alright, mostly because you weren’t in the mood and didn’t care.

    Saying you are ALWAYS nice was your first beta move. Then asking her if she was planing on staying, without signally to her that you wanted her to say no and leave with you was just terrible. Though for what I’m recommending to work, you would have had to spend more time gaming her, and have done it at least decently.

    You blew a really good opportunity, guy.

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  76. on April 9, 2009 at 3:16 pm dougjnn

    Sara

    The ONLY thing I’m interested in (as far as intimacy is concerned) is LTR, only because I’m of such a physically orientation woman, that I am unable to overcome my biology and not bond with a man after sex. So it’s just friends or bonded like gorilla glue with no in between.

    Yeah I’ve know that about you for a long time Sara. That’s one of the sexist things about you, and for guys that also have some years on them, there are things.

    Though that gorilla glue thing seems to only apply to sex with alphas, however much else may be wrong with them. It doesn’t seem to apply to sex with your beta ex husband.

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  77. on April 9, 2009 at 3:20 pm TurkishThought

    My early Marine career was as a Combat Engineer….not to flashy. But once I went into the explosive specialty and I mentioned this to women I noticed the Vag juices flowing. So no more combat engineer…nopers I was a explosive expert (which all advanced combat engieers are anyway heh).

    The fact that I could fashion explosive devices from house hold cleaners excited girls more than the fact that my favorite book at that time was the Master and Margirita by Mikhail Bulgakov.

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  78. on April 9, 2009 at 3:23 pm dougjnn

    Virgin@40

    which is good enough for the situation I’m in – but she had some traits I do really fancy and appreciate in a girl, not to mention a reason to talk to her and say I’m sorry for something. I believe it will be easy to start a conversation with her.

    Are you kidding me? A seven who’s shown interest in you is an absolute godsend for you at your current level of lack of success and lack of game. Even if I suspect you’re inflating girl’s looks at least 1 point. Get real.

    Should I embelish what I do?
    Do girls really like that? I was going to say, “oh… I’m so depressed… oh… surrounding by shit… oh… I’m in love with a girl who I have only seen twice in 6 months… and that’s why I was not in the mood that night… oh… but you now make me believe the world is good… you made me better with

    This is ALL terrible. Have you learned absolutely nothing here?

    As far as embellishing, it’s probably always good to do at first, just as much as Rossy suggests. With younger girls there’s not too much reason to get somewhat more real over time. With older ones you will need to base your embellishment on what you do. His CAD manipulating architectural drone example though is perfect including for older girls.

    Hell the like simply that you LOOK at it that way. Really.

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  79. on April 9, 2009 at 3:30 pm Sara I

    dougjnn

    Though that gorilla glue thing seems to only apply to sex with alphas, however much else may be wrong with them. It doesn’t seem to apply to sex with your beta ex husband.

    Thanks for the sexy part! Well, it did apply to my beta ex-husband. Sex with him was damn good as a matter of fact. We had sex on the first date and I proposed to him a week later! True story. The problem occurred when he changed almost immediately after we married. In some ways, we switched roles. My first husband was pathologically dominating and my second, very passive. He was my boss and friend for a few years before we went out on a date so I felt I knew him better than I actually did. I felt safe, and wanted to be the one who “took responsibility” so I proposed to HIM. Needless to say, he said yes to everything I ever asked of him.

    The change that occurred is that he stopped wanting to have sex, except on the weekends and he drank so much on the weekends (only) that I didn’t want to have sex with him. GROSS. But like I said, the warning signs were there before marriage. Like most (ignorant) women (or men) in love, we think our love will change/inspire our spouses into changing for the better. It did change him for the better, but only after the DIVORCE. OUCH. Was I blameless? Of course not.

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  80. on April 9, 2009 at 4:12 pm MarkD

    That Marine Corps stuff didn’t work worth a damn in the 70’s.

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  81. on April 9, 2009 at 4:16 pm White Mom Killed Son

    Only in white trash america.

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  82. on April 9, 2009 at 4:25 pm Aryan Blond Beast

    Roissy is jewish, hence he is dirty, a contaminant.

    Roissy is inferior.

    Burn in the gas chamber, cretin!

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  83. on April 9, 2009 at 4:46 pm jaakkeli

    They’re even Aryan, so they’re purer than those sexy but inferior Slavs, right?

    purity’s got nothing to do with it. but compatibility does.

    ps aryan is a scare word wielded by the intellectually bankrupt. especially when it’s not germane to the argument.

    No, Aryan is what Iranians call themselves – Iran is just another spelling of Aryan. They’re probably not going to stop doing that just because a bunch of German LARP Aryans did some nasty things.

    Funnily enough, those Slavs are a bit “Aryan” gene-wise unlike most Europeans, since much of Eastern Europe used to be Iranic before first the Turkic conquests and then the Slavic conquests.

    Slavs and Aryans also share an interesting thing: they’re both ethnic self-appellations that ended up meaning “slaves” in the languages of ancient neighbours, in the Aryan case eg. Finns. One man’s master race is another man’s slave race…

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  84. on April 9, 2009 at 4:46 pm Virgin@40

    Seeking Alpha,

    The best for a marriage is not how the girl behaves before it, but what she does want with marriage.
    Marriage is such a great step, the woman will definetly change so the better is for you to know what she really wants with marriage so that her changes are predictable.

    That and the rest: Make sure she walks the line and does what you want her to do. Make sure she does not get bored of/with you and surprise her yourself every now and there but do not make her feel you *will* surprise her or *have the duty* to surprise her.

    I shouldn’t even tell this but never forget that you are the man and that you will only love her because she licks the floor you’re at. When the children come you are fucked because it rocks so much with the relation the dynamics get different. I won’t give you advise for that now.

    Congratulations! I too want to get married. I’d prefer a Slav though. My ten is a Slav…

    And about Iranians… if they are Persians and give more credit to Persian culture than Semitic Islam, and if she looks white enough… then she’s European. I like Persian girls.

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  85. on April 9, 2009 at 4:48 pm Gunner

    But Roissy, what if the girl has only a normal amount of chromosomes?

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  86. on April 9, 2009 at 4:52 pm Virgin@40

    “Was this:
    a) a sporting tease from a frisky alpha
    b) the hung over mewing of a needy beta?”

    Cannon, that is Beta. But man, it sounds fucking interesting!!!

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  87. on April 9, 2009 at 5:06 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Cannon, that is Beta. But man, it sounds fucking interesting!!!”

    I agree. More and more, I realize that writing things down can provide its own catharsis. I’ve been trying to log interactions with women. It’s been helpful. Focusing on mistakes and what caused them will proactively fine-tune and intensify my game.

    If it seems creepy, consider that it would apply to every other aspect of life. Quarterbacks study film. The NFL defense is a great analogy for seducing a woman, in my opinion.

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  88. on April 9, 2009 at 5:11 pm Tommy

    if it’s stale there’s nothing wrong with a hail mary, just don’t expect many completions.

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  89. on April 9, 2009 at 5:14 pm Virgin@40

    Fucking long night. 23:15 and my little ten is on line. I’ll tel her to get off. I’ll see if I have the guts to do it… I will tell her that if it is for us to speak once every two weeks thrugh the internet and to meet personally once every six months, the best we have to do is to depart ways. Fuck, I am devastating already and I’ve never said hi… she had send me five msn mensages… Fuck, devestated… what a word… true… true. Good Eastern to all you Roissy friends!

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  90. on April 9, 2009 at 5:21 pm Traveller

    “The NFL defense is a great analogy for seducing a woman, in my opinion.”

    Of course it’s a great analogy. The ultimate goal is penetration. At least that’s what Dan Dierdorf tells me.

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  91. on April 9, 2009 at 5:23 pm mnl

    To Seeking Alpha and all those contemplating marriage…

    Once married, don’t think for a second that the “game is over”, that you can sell your spurs and hang-up your saddle. Roissy’s column is just as relevant, albeit in a different way. Sure, you may not be hanging out in bars perfecting the cold approach, but you’ll need to elevate your game to a whole new, different level. It’s now an endurance run rather than a series of sprints.

    I’ve been married for a good while. The biggest mistake one can make is think the game is over. It’s not. A shiny ring doesn’t change X-thousands of years of female biology. The shit tests continue. The need for social proof, a protector persona, and leadership signals never goes away. The worst thing one can do is think they do and then retire one’s fat social ass on the sofa.

    The generation before me called it “continuing to court your wife”. We might now call it continuing the game. But it’s all the same thing. Your grandfather was right.

    This blatant fact seems to me an under-served part of the dialogue. Perhaps there’d be fewer divorces, perhaps there’d be happier married men, if they knew the whole process doesn’t end the moment they utter their wedding vows.

    Go ahead and say, “I DO” to the preacher. More power to you! But at the same time, be sure to say, “I DON’T”…give ANYONE permission to own my balls.

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  92. on April 9, 2009 at 5:55 pm Bhetti

    Yes, make sure she under no circumstances finds out your income but ignore her & threaten with spanking when she asks where you keep tin foil hat.

    I’m not sure but men seem to me terrible liars, easily caught out with it depending on their temperament: usually becoming angry if questioned. Even if there’s nothing giving it away, it seems to give an overall beta vibe of ‘I’ve got something to prove’. Definitely sticking to the truth, but how good are your polishing skills? If you aren’t a good salesman, stick to the ‘guess what I do?’. I guess learning to sell whatever you do’s the skill; it looks like a difficult one to me if what you do doesn’t lend itself. Perhaps preempting this question with a work story that creates the right masculine image is better.

    Perhaps for an auditor selling his job: You wouldn’t believe the amount of corporate corruption these days. Hell, just the other day got a guy arrested for taking a bit more than his share of the pie. Spotted in the books. Greedy pig tried to threaten me, but I’ve got ways to take care of that.

    One thing I’ve seen a guy do is be completely mild himself, but intimidate he’s got ‘family contacts’ if he needs things taken care of. Anyone who’s ethnic can usually say this, and not really be lying.

    Any of the above looks odd if it’s in inappropriate bits of the conversation.

    G: Only thing I’ve ever seen on really beautiful girls’ minds was money, money, money, status and fame. Everything else’s a plus. They’re convinced it’s their looks that will make their living. I don’t think that means it’s what gets them hot.

    Virgin@40: Obviously need good advice which I’m not qualified to give but ‘Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone’.

    Sara: haha, bonded like gorilla glue. You’re such a romantic! You need to be writing greeting cards.

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  93. on April 9, 2009 at 6:12 pm PA

    Slavs and Aryans also share an interesting thing: they’re both ethnic self-appellations that ended up meaning “slaves” in the languages of ancient neighbours

    That’s debatable. It might be a coincidence that in English “Slav” and “Slave” sound similar.

    In Slavic languages the word “speech / word” is “slovo” or a variant thereof, depending on the language. Thus, Slavs called their ethnic group with a word that connoted intelligible speech.

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  94. on April 9, 2009 at 6:18 pm PA

    Example from Polish:

    Slav = Slowianin
    Word = Slowo
    Slave = Niewolnik

    Example from Russian:
    Slav = славян (slavian)
    Word = слово (slovo)
    Slave = раба (raba)

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  95. on April 9, 2009 at 6:19 pm lurker

    If game were football, Dan Dierdorf’s franchises would be betas.

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  96. on April 9, 2009 at 6:19 pm lurker

    wait, sorry, I got that confused with Matt Millen. Damn. When does the season start?

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  97. on April 9, 2009 at 6:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    Bhetti your supposed to give her spankings anyway whether she is good or bad lol

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  98. on April 9, 2009 at 6:56 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Brilliant post. How someone talks about their job indicates a LOT about their personality and how they are.

    If a guy describes it in a confident, sexy, cocky funny way – he’s probably a cocky funny, cool and attractive guy.

    If a guy can turn even a puny job into seeming like he’s moving mountains and changing the world, it’s like wow! Even if his part of moving the greater “machine” is small. If he just says he’s a boring old “auditor” he’s probably boring in other ways too lol…

    It’s like a woman who travels a lot as a sales representative/engineer going on rigs/etc. who winks and says she’s a stewardess in the 1st class cabin… like as a joke until she wants to let the truth out about her job. Stewardess sounds hotter right? 😉 (Even if the reality doesn’t match the 1950s stereotype, stewardess is still more interesting than petroleum engineer…)

    Here’s an old story about how to describe your job to up your own value:

    Christopher Wren, the architect who designed St. Paul’s Cathedral in London was walking around the cathedral building site and asked 3 bricklayers what they were doing:
    The first bricklayer replied, “I put cement on the bricks.”
    The next bricklayer answered, “I make walls.”
    The last bricklayer replied, “I’m constructing a cathedral to glorify God and inspire and comfort a whole community.”

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  99. on April 9, 2009 at 7:02 pm lovelysexybeauty

    By the way some girls out there do get a rush from meeting a guy who straight up says he’s an ibanker/hedge fund manager/private equity/etc. Assuming he’s got the brand names (Citadel/GS/Blackstone/etc.) to back up that he’s the real deal. Many girls do not know about the prestige of these jobs or the sort of aggressive super-masculine men who excel in them though… so yes, to them it may be boring (e.g., models/actresses whose worlds revolve around the entertainment industry).

    My eyes have been laser beams on Seeking Alpha’s comments ever since I saw him say something about being at a hedge fund. (I listen very carefully to how a guy of my “desired type” thinks lol) LOVED reading he’s found someone… booyaah to all the Dating a Banker Anonymous girls. I know many finance guys who are MORE interested in settling down these days. Sort of like someone who goes through an almost-death experience gets serious about life and wife real fast. The recent markets have traumatized many.

    Sounds like Seeking Alpha found someone good that makes him happy… and he’s cool with taking the risk (because if it fails he’s rich enough to have multiple wives and alimony and still do alright correct? :-))

    Also, he has an awesome attitude towards life and being able to take good and bad times in stride… sounds like she’s a lucky girl too 🙂

    (Will Roissy ever have a heartattack/personal trauma/near death experience and change his views on doing long-term companionship [what many of us call “marriage”]? Hmmm… probably not lol.)

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  100. on April 9, 2009 at 7:04 pm Bhetti

    Gunny: I suggest keeping the threat/promise of spanking reserved as a retort or distraction for such emergency situations.

    Random observation of the day: On facebook, I’m ‘friends’ with a young Arab who’s got the last name of one of the ruling families in the Gulf. His facebook status says ‘I’m bored’, cue five different females saying ‘Aw, why?’

    Being the son of a sheik, it helps.

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  101. on April 9, 2009 at 7:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””””””””lovelysexybeauty
    Sounds like Seeking Alpha found someone good that makes him happy… and he’s cool with taking the risk (because if it fails he’s rich enough to have multiple wives and alimony and still do alright correct? )
    “””””””””””””””””””””

    Yea guys that are really successful should be punished accordingly right. Like without the punishment he is not going to already take care of the woman if she was a good woman.

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  102. on April 9, 2009 at 7:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea sometimes you have to make shit up as an excuse lol it works ok though.

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  103. on April 9, 2009 at 8:36 pm Virgin@40

    Dougjin.

    The seven never saw me with my ten. When she came up I was away from my group, standing with a fat, muslim, Indian closet gay “friend” (I don’t like him much, but he is a good guy if you see him only at night) who was smoking.
    I was the one who was thinking of taking the seven out of nowhere to that club and go find my ten. Any advance with the seven would be great.

    However, Social Proof is indeed great. And I will reclaim it. And I hope even to dig one or two chicks out of that.

    But what really matters to me is the ten. It is really love: I can’t be with her, so be it. I’ll try to live along side her, to see her sometimes. You don’t imagine how fine I felt after just looking deep, deep, into her deep blue eyes… her eyes are so overwhelming… it’s better than any drug.

    And of course… she has only known a man… I am not counting on her virginity but she being virgin yet would not be that overwhelmingly surprising to me.

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    Meanwhile, this line means that I stopped writing to speak with her on line. I started at 23:15 and it’s now 2:30. I thought I had submitted this comment but I did not. I was saying that I would not mind to wait for her to finish with her boyfriend (girls like her and boys like him, do not marry their first highschool sweetharts, pratically nobody does). And I wouldn’t mind being on her side the next four years, gaming her softly, being her only steady friend (though not speaking at all to her boyfriend, never.). This so that I could step in when we’re 22 or 24. And then, if I am rejected, so be it. I love her and I will continue to. I simply have to learn to live with that, wanting her to accept me into her pussy, body, mind, soul and spirit but never excpecting her to do so, never really hoping that will happen.

    For you to have an idea of the impossibilty, I am a big pile of shit, nothing acomplished; She is such a ten that she has just been invited to be the local new star, altough not being an actress, in the local television hit: A kind of “Gossip Girl” program but that renovates stories and actors (models) every 2 years.

    Man, now I cannot give up the Social Proof. She will be the most wanted model of the Nation (though, tomorrow I will probabily tell her to refuse the paper). Oh… a poor girl exposed to such a cruel world… she really needs a friend to get arround all the time… and she needs him more than she needs her boyfriend…

    Again, sorry for the long post.

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    Thank you for the advice Dougjin, I am confident I’ll find the 7 next friday though, and I will try to game her more properly. 🙂 Especially because I do not care.

    Now, does anyone have tips on how to jump from LJBF to cool Friend to the owner of her? Roissy, what about a post about it? I mean, FUCKING DO IT!!!

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  104. on April 9, 2009 at 8:48 pm Virgin@40

    Dougjinn,
    thanks again for your tips.
    I assure you I am not lifting the girl’s look up. She was an 18 years old (or something) seven.

    When I mean embelish, I mean that she study “beautifull arts” (painting, sculpture, that shit), behaves in a non slutty way and filled the air with such a joy that I suspect she is not from a big city.

    When I speak of embelishment is… you noticed what I’d say to her, did you not? I’d also say that I am stuck in high school, half a year of making 20 years old, and that the girls of my class are all 16 year old children. Not only that, I also happen to be a virgin and have little to no success with girls. Oh! And I will stop to pursue a carrier in economics (where money exists) and go to History simply because I am not able of concentrate to do the exams to enter in a good University, and not because I have a low IQ or something. Everybody knows that after a major in History in this country, you will go to unemployment. Also, I have no car, nor license to drive. I was to start Thursday, but then I was with my ten and the time was passing good.

    So, I will follow your tips and embelish it by ommiting how much my life is low and sucks. Really, very nice tips from you, thank you very much. Keep making the little lies perish in front of my eyes please.

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  105. on April 9, 2009 at 9:19 pm Mark in Ark

    Roissy needs to pound some Mexican pussy to change his opinion on immigration. The more women the merrier. If you don’t want a welfare state, you should have voted for the little kook Ron Paul. Now we can watch the whole edifice crash and burn. Even better. You know Obama will be a total failure.

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  106. on April 9, 2009 at 9:32 pm David Alexander

    See? Not too truthful, not too deceitful.

    That is rather deceitful, IMHO since the lies aren’t small embellishments, but massively overhyped statements that have very little to do with the truth.

    Since I’ve grown tired of lying to friends, at this point, I’d rather just admit that I’m a Toyota Celica driving railfan and roadgeek de facto college dropout who reads economics, race realist, and game blogs, and works at a roadside assisstance call centre earning 11.9911111111 dollars per hour for 22.5 hours per week answering dispatching tow trucks and calling back members.

    If women want embellishment, they can always date you and other alpha males and men who run game. I have no problem acquiescing to you in that realm.

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  107. on April 9, 2009 at 9:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    22.5 hours a week lol well shit man if you can get by on that I guess you do have it figured out.

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  108. on April 9, 2009 at 9:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    Picture if you worked 4 times that and lived on the same money you do now. There will be a learning curve with the new dollars but after you bought your cameras. Maybe could work.

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  109. on April 9, 2009 at 9:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    You may not realize this from your position but you are actually in a perfect peosition to become a money saving machine. You already almost have no bills. All it would require is to figure out how to squeeze 84 hours of that 12 an hour pay out. Keep your same lifestyle of no bills and no pussy for a while and then buy some shit that will make you money. Guys that already have 3000 to 6000 in minimum bills kids and a wife are the ones who are really fucked much harder to get rid of the house and lifestyle. 4 years of that and you could potentially transform yourself.

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  110. on April 9, 2009 at 10:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    You could actually end up better off than the ones you envy lol

    Life is so fucking fulllllll of irony.

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  111. on April 9, 2009 at 10:12 pm Chuck

    David,

    you could embellish your mundane life on the *downside* and it would be better than telling her the truth.

    i’m not dogging on your job, i wait tables, i’m just saying, what’s the point of giving her all of the information right up front?

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  112. on April 9, 2009 at 10:53 pm MQ

    OK, now this was a fucking awesome post. Even I have to admit that.

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  113. on April 9, 2009 at 11:36 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    Gunslingergregi,

    I quit the office bs job, lived off savings for a few months to party and surf, then went through basic at FT Benning at age 28. Talk about a real eye opener. Basic isn’t that hard per se, just a really painful way to be remade. My Drills were both combat arms, one artillery and the other an E7 ranger close to finishing his time on the trail.

    They focused on me because I was a fat body struggling to keep up with the 17-21 year old guys that made up the bulk of my platoon. By the end of basic I had quit smoking, lost almost 20 lbs of blubbery shit, could run around like a maniac and found out I’m a hell of a shot.

    *****

    The carry over here, years later, is that I treat my body like a temple because my job depends on it. I don’t want to ever feel like and look like shit, so I focus on eating a strong paleo diet and working out 6 days a week.

    When I run around Tampa, I’m completely relaxed because I know what I’m capable of and that most of the guys around me are pussies, betas and probably never been in a real fight. Even before I ran into refined “game”, this projection of strength and confidence through body language and attitude makes you attractive to women.

    So having the right job/career and hobbies will automatically show. Just don’t fuck it up by rambling on about it. Be vague, embellish some or omit as needed – to quote Gunny Highway “…just don’t bore me”.

    Chicks need to fill the blanks in about you mentally. They love mystery and horror because they get to do this constantly. They need you to take them on an emotional rollercoaster.

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  114. on April 9, 2009 at 11:38 pm Str8up

    Spot on about how women WANT you to build the fantasy.

    I recently contacted an old fling who moved out of town a couple of years ago to let her know I would be in her neck of the woods on business in a couple of months.

    She was enthusiastic and offered to take a couple of days and show me around.

    I told her that I was headed overseas for a week and then I would be in NYC for a couple of days.

    She started asking what kind of business venture it is that I am starting, and since it is rather complicated, I told her that I would have to explain it to her when I am in town.

    A couple of weeks later we start emailing back and forth about the logistics of the trip, and I ask her if it would be ok if I sent a package to her apartment so I wouldn’t have to carry my product samples on the plane.

    This ignited her curiosity, and again she began grilling me about this new business, so I told her exactly what it is that I would be sending (I realized by then that it sounded a bit sketchy). She agreed to allow me to send the package, as long as it was ok if she opened it, because she’s “nosy like that”.

    I agreed since there would be nothing in the box that I would have to worry about, and she seemed to be cool with that, UNTIL I said something about sending the package to the hotel instead so I could “make a few stops” between the time I got off the plane and when she got off work.

    Curiosity killed the cat! Now she was SURE I was up to something shady, and she kept protesting that I send the box to HER.

    It just so happens that her last email was sent on May 30th. Hehehe….April fools time baby!

    On April 1st I sent her an email explaining that I might as well come clean “since you would have found out anyway”. I told her that although I’m not doing anything illegal, I was paid in an “unconventional way” on a recent business deal and I am bringing in some precious and semi-precious gems to sell while I am in town and I heard that “there are a couple of places in town that don’t ask any questions”.

    At first she busted me on the April fools thing but I kept up the ruse and eventually had her believing it. I finally told her it was a joke, but she STILL thinks I’m yanking her chain and I’m up to some crazy illegal shit, jetting across the world and back, haha.

    Although I didn’t go into details, I did tell her exactly what was going to be in the box (totally harmless product samples) and who I was REALLY going to be dropping them off to when I am in town, but she is having NONE of it. She WANTS to believe that I’m on some sort of secret international crime spree.

    Now I just have to figure out a way to play it up. Maybe send her the box after all and sprinkle some fake jewels inside the product samples? Disappear without explanation for 20 minutes after a flurry of text messages one night when we are out? Act a little paranoid and tell her that we need to get to my hotel room ASAP?

    I haven’t had this much fun since I was 8 years old. Ideas?

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  115. on April 9, 2009 at 11:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Da Truth,
    I did 5 miles a day before basic so it was not so hard on the physical aspect (plus I had woman in basic). You did SF at over 28 years old?

    I am thinking it might be interesting to do that. Since that is kind of a missed opportunity and my new boss is telling stories of the old days. He is english though. I’d hate to have regrets.

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  116. on April 10, 2009 at 12:00 am Lupo

    “By the way some girls out there do get a rush from meeting a guy who straight up says he’s an ibanker/hedge fund manager/private equity/etc. “

    Lol. And we are avoiding you for the money grubbing hose beasts you are. Blackstone? Citadel? I bet you have a Prada bag too, ‘cuz you read it was in this year.

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  117. on April 10, 2009 at 12:28 am David Alexander

    what’s the point of giving her all of the information right up front?

    It filters for hugs, golddiggers, and girls who will become bored with me immediately with my boring stories. In other words, it’s a shit test to see what girl will tolerate being with somebody who is for all intents and purposes, not normal.

    You already almost have no bills.

    Actually, I pay for my internet, porn, car insurance, and student loans.

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  118. on April 10, 2009 at 1:21 am Martin Regnen

    Yeah, I’ve got some standard ways of embellishing my job when talking about it. It’s also good to obviously leave out important things and make the girl ask you about them. A blatantly obvious (though not job-related) example would be to say “I eat a lot of hot peppers, I used to live in a tropical country as a kid” without specifying even the continent.

    Tangentially related, a pop star advises women on how to sell themselves to footballers: http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/sport-news/football/bundesliga/2009/04/07/nives-celsius-sexy-wag-column/tips-for-ladies-on-how-to-bag-yourself-a-football-star.html – plus some good pictures of her from FHM.

    It’s funny that even a pop star who’s on the cover of FHM and all over the German tabloids knows that a very highly desirable man can expect her to treat him like a god while he gives her relatively little attention.

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  119. on April 10, 2009 at 1:40 am Da_Truth_Hurts

    I decided against SFAS, so I’m just in special ops without being a long-taber. I leave the army next year to get a job contracting, and I’ll leave the SF shit to the young guys. Don’t think my knees could take it =) Might be fun to try.

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  120. on April 10, 2009 at 1:42 am cupojohan

    wow, virgin@40…your writing reeks of beta. It sounds like you are young but seriously, i dont see you ever hooking up with your girl. I suggest time away from her to build your game and come back as a different man, far far in the future.
    What do you think a girl thinks when you tell her you are going to be around for the next 4 years trying to get with her?
    Hint: its not “aw schucks, he really likes me.”

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  121. on April 10, 2009 at 2:08 am Rebar

    PA:

    Double check the etymology of “slave”. It’s definitely a corruption of the self-defining term of Slavs by people who enslaved them.

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  122. on April 10, 2009 at 3:01 am Jenn

    I’m gonna have to call bullshit on this one. I’m a girl, and I don’t want men to lie to me about what they do, or talk down to me about it, or embellish it in any way. And girls who do? They’re just begging to be let down in the future.

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  123. on April 10, 2009 at 4:31 am ian in hamburg

    @Jenn – thanks for the laugh. Calling bullshit on a roissy post is like saying hey – the sun rose today!

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  124. on April 10, 2009 at 7:13 am Default User

    Jenn

    I’m gonna have to call bullshit on this one.

    Another chick that does not get it.

    Her question (about his profession) and his answer are not about the job. It is about showing who you are, not what you do. It is all about sub-text not actual text. A boring person with a boring job will give a boring answer. An interesting person with a boring job will give an interesting (and maybe embellished) answer.

    The vast majority of professions are boring to those not in them. Even in “interesting” professions the vast majority of your time will be spent on routine tasks.

    Do you really, really care what a man does for a living? Will it really make a difference to your attraction if he is an accountant or an economist (to name two jobs many women would call “boring”)? You are trying to forge a connection not scan a resume. Building attraction is not about exchanging information.

    ian in hamburg

    Why do you even bother coming here? Are you that AsianFist guy’s European twin?

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  125. on April 10, 2009 at 7:21 am Tarl

    @Jenn – there is a word for men who believe the feminist bullshit that women want you to “be yourself” and tell them the exact, literal truth about who you are and what you do:

    BETA

    Intelligent men figure out pretty quickly from observation of others and personal experience that this doesn’t work. You get no pussy that way. If women actually do not want men who “embellish”, as you claim is the case, then women will have to stop rewarding embellishment with pussy. But the day that women reward betas with pussy for telling them the drab, literal truth about their tedious lives is the day the sun rises in the west.

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  126. on April 10, 2009 at 7:36 am metalhaze

    bring on roissies maxime! perhaps you could write a small guide ebook like the 16 commandments of poon!

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  127. on April 10, 2009 at 7:40 am PA

    The “be yourself” thing has to be refined. It’s important to be oneself rather than a phoney because phoneys are easily smelled out and behavior incongruent with one’s core self is wierd.

    But how do you tell a kid to be himself without telling him to be a forever-beta?

    Maybe the way to say it is to be a “better version of yourself.”

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  128. on April 10, 2009 at 7:59 am Tarl

    “Be yourself” works if “yourself” is an alpha. Being alpha is not phony because the core self of an alpha really is strong, confident, assertive, and possessed of the skills and experience needed to deal with women effectively. A lot of this can be learned, but that doesn’t mean you’re somehow “phony” or “not yourself any more” once you learn it.

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  129. on April 10, 2009 at 8:05 am PA

    Right, but we’re trying to help betas become alphas.

    To get there, we teach them good body language, principles of game, dressing better, not acting like a dork, not putting girls on pedestals, etc.

    But doing so, we’re working with what we’ve got. So he is still being himself, just a better version of himself.

    I don’t have this figured out right now, just thinking out loud.

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  130. on April 10, 2009 at 8:31 am Da_Truth_Hurts

    Its a shame we have to teach males in our society how to be men. Being Alpha is displaying unabashed natural masculinity. It works every time it is tried.

    @Ian from hamburg – Go watch some scat porn and shut your cockholster. No one here fucking cares what you think.

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  131. on April 10, 2009 at 8:46 am PA

    Da Truth – I agree, and as I’ve argued with Whiskey, the nice-guy Beta is a recent phenomenon. “Back in the day” boys were raised in a no-bullshit environment and spent more time with adult males, not female teachers form birth to adulthood.

    So while there was still a relative hierarchy of more-attractive to less-attractive males, most guys back then would have been considered alpha-enough by women’s standards.

    There was probably no such thing as a beta. Maybe just the occasional drunk, loser, or genetic hard-luck case. But no sea of sheepish herbs.

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  132. on April 10, 2009 at 8:57 am gig

    Ian from hamburg

    how did you find roissy? what you googling for, as a married man? Female infidelity? It is funny how uber-SWPL people like you and that Paul Gowder creature don’t stop coming here just to say ” bullshit”

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  133. on April 10, 2009 at 9:37 am dougjnn

    Seeking Alpha —

    She cooks, cleans, and never says no. Comes from a traditional family with a strong father who doesn’t treat her like a princess and isn’t afraid to tell her when she’s wrong, as do I frequently. I’m happy with my odds.

    That does sound better than average. Though it is true there will be a large tendency for things to change post marriage. One of the most important factors is who her girlfriends are.

    Nonetheless, are you going to be getting a pre-nup. If you’re in higher finance it would be crazy not to.

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  134. on April 10, 2009 at 10:18 am anonymous

    to the gentlemen,
    Would you respect a woman who accepted your obtuse, silly, or embellished job description? she never probed further? she never evidenced curiosity? she never genuinely wanted to understand your work?

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  135. on April 10, 2009 at 10:33 am Virgin@40

    cupojohan,

    “What do you think a girl thinks when you tell her you are going to be around for the next 4 years trying to get with her?
    Hint: its not “aw schucks, he really likes me.”

    Hey! Calm down! I am beta beta beta, but I am still a man you see…
    Of course I did not and I will not tell her that. I very much hope to get some pussy (not hers. Though hers would always be way, way better) in between…

    However I will try to be arround her as a great friend (I am now trying to find ways to become *the fun friend*), someone she can always count on. And… and if the situation is good enough, I’ll pop in. But I do not have much hopes though.

    I have delayed my life three years (mainly) because of her. That will not happen any more. This of course does not mean that I will not do any, but really anything for her.

    Do you like Brazil? What I’ve realised it is something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrxdswPyIk and I have to deal with it and I can’t do nothing about it.
    (The translation isn’t great but it is acceptable)

    Although I very much prefer this version of the great Caetano Veloso: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTqq9aSac9w

    (I know I will love you,
    For all my life, I will love you
    (…)
    At every goodbye I will love you,
    Desperately, I know I will love you
    (…)
    I know I will cry,
    At each absense of yours I will cry,
    But each time you return, it will erase…
    What that absense of yours did to me
    I KNOW I WILL SUFFER (with)
    THE ETENRNAL MISFORTUNE OF LIVING
    HOPING TO LIVE AT YOUR SIDE
    DURING ALL MY LIFE)

    It really sums it up well. Roissy says that to find a girl who loves you is very rare. To find the girl you love, loving you is even rarer. The odds are null. And so I will suffer with the eternal misfortune of living hoping to live at her side during all my life. And such missfortune is a gift from heavens if compared to be really away from her. And I will always believe that…

    Sorry for the trip to Betadom. But at least, I took you there free of charges and with great music.

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  136. on April 10, 2009 at 10:38 am lovelysexybeauty

    >Lupo
    >“By the way some girls out there do get a rush from >meeting a guy who straight up says he’s an >ibanker/hedge fund manager/private equity/etc. “

    >Lol. And we are avoiding you for the money grubbing >hose beasts you are. Blackstone? Citadel? I bet you have >a Prada bag too, ‘cuz you read it was in this year.

    I was just giving examples of how one person’s exciting job is another person’s boring job. In Roissy’s post he talked about Prez of the USA and jewel thief as professions that are sexy just on name alone.

    A guy has to be very, very smart and very, very aggressive (Alpha traits) to work for the companies I mentioned. And guys in these fields have tons of confidence. They believe they are at the very top of the food chain (very Alpha). I’ve seen the more pompous finance guys yell to bouncers “I can BUY you.” Saying something that rude is a kind of a turn off (for me at least), but it reveals the underlying thinking.

    Maybe watching Wall Street and American Pyscho several times has rubbed off on me 🙂

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  137. on April 10, 2009 at 10:48 am Default User

    anonymous at 10:18 am

    to the gentlemen,
    Would you respect a woman who accepted your obtuse, silly, or embellished job description? she never probed further? she never evidenced curiosity? she never genuinely wanted to understand your work?

    This blog focuses on pick-up, in other words generating attraction.

    After you are attracted to each other then sharing these (more mundane) details is OK (not too much though).

    How would you feel if man you have just met asked you questions like:
    How much do you earn?
    How many people report to you?
    What qualifications do you have?
    Do you work in a big building?
    What floor?
    How many people work in your place of work?
    Do you use Excel or Open Office?
    …blah blah blah.

    At what point would your eyes glaze over. How long before you moved on with a “Nice meeting you” or some other form of thanks-but-no-thanks?

    Some of those are reasonable questions but they are all about sharing biography not emotion. They impart bald* information, but say little about the person. The biography only becomes interesting after you are attracted to the other person. Mundane biographical details will not cause you to become attracted to the other person.

    *For a certain poster (GNPeter) that is the only kind he likes.

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  138. on April 10, 2009 at 10:53 am Default User

    I said:
    …
    *For a certain poster (GNPeter) that is the only kind he likes.

    Should read kind he avoids. Sorry Peter.

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  139. on April 10, 2009 at 12:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””‘on April 10, 2009 at 1:40 am Da_Truth_Hurts
    I decided against SFAS, so I’m just in special ops without being a long-taber. I leave the army next year to get a job contracting, and I’ll leave the SF shit to the young guys. Don’t think my knees could take it =) Might be fun to try.”””””””””

    Just remember with contracting there ain’t no retirement. It is what you save for yourself and that is all. And only a certain percent will save money the rest will go home and still be the same except they got to take some nice vacations. I guess it is still win. But 20 year army retirement not bad if you can’t save loot.

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  140. on April 10, 2009 at 12:55 pm David Alexander

    Do you really, really care what a man does for a living?

    I care about what a girl does for a living since it affects her social status and her attraction level, but then, I suspect this is irrelevant.

    Building attraction is not about exchanging information.

    Hence why I filter (or shit-test) by admitting to my boringness ahead of time. It saves everybody’s time.

    who believe the feminist bullshit that women want you to “be yourself” and tell them the exact, literal truth

    Again, I’d rather tell her upfront that I’m a boring guy than for her to find out the truth eventually and be disappointed.

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  141. on April 10, 2009 at 1:12 pm Bhetti

    I think you guys may be confusing what women want with what we’re attracted to. If you’re a stoner dude living in your mom’s basement, I’d want to know but I certainly wouldn’t find it attractive. The ideal is that you’re not a stoner dude living in his mom’s basement, not that you have to lie about it.

    A lot of guys think Game’s about somehow hoodwinking the system: changing what you say will get you more girls. It doesn’t work, though, you’ve got to be looking for self-improvement: going to the gym, changing your diet, managing your financial life independently and getting over any mental health issues. Getting game means an attitude of total self-improvement from my perspective.

    Seeking: Thinking about it, the process of a wedding itself can take away control from you. There’s this idea that it’s HER day and must go HER way; you might find the females (including in-laws?) conspiring about that expensive dress and so on. This is the biggest test of your character and tolerance. This is when the other women get involved, and you have to make sure her loyalty is to you even ‘against’ them when it gets down to it. Ain’t a war, though, but that’s the truth I see in roissy’s wedding cake statement.

    Another thing that bothered me was finance. My parents didn’t seem to know what the other was earning: my mother would be convinced my dad was holding out money on her, my dad was convinced she had more than enough to cover anything, he always told her he didn’t have anything then after a lot of arguing, he magically managed to cough up something without apparent bad effects. All of this back and forth, including unnecessary involvement of the children, without bothering to show each other bank statements and proof, keeping their true wealth to themselves paranoidly. Lots of dishonesty & exploitation here; I don’t know if it’s a symptom or a cause of relationship breakdown. Anyway, I guess by all means keep seperate accounts, but you’re in trouble if keeping too much to yourself becomes an issue. These relationships are long-term, so the little things add up and snowball.

    Virgin@40: It speaks of my cynicism that I don’t believe you love her. Obsession and lust isn’t the same thing. Go improve yourself and make yourself actually worthy, then bother her. You would do anything? Be a man and don’t even think of snagging her until you can honestly say to her ‘What’re you doing wasting your time with these little boys? I’m getting you the hell out of here’. Distancing yourself is much better than being around, she won’t notice any changes if you’re around and you’ll be constantly friend zoned.

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  142. on April 10, 2009 at 1:14 pm Bhetti

    DA: I really don’t think people are naturally boring. You know you aren’t.

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  143. on April 10, 2009 at 1:16 pm Bhetti

    To prove my point, fame doesn’t counter the fat: http://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/1491909591

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  144. on April 10, 2009 at 1:19 pm Sara I

    Virgin@40

    I unfortunately read some of your posts, and I think we both know that you are indeed a pathetic mess. This reminds me of the story of the man who was in a mental institution because he lost an incredibly beautiful woman and in the room next door was the man who married her.

    You have FALLEN in love and you need to get up! Rising in love is far superior. You’ve given up your power to an image, a fantasy, an infantile romantic obsession. Trust me, if she is that beautiful, she’s fucked up. Being treated as extraordinarily special from day one because of your physical looks, is a handicap unlike any other. She has a lot to overcome and much heart ache and ego shattering experiences ahead of her. Maybe in 20 years, she’ll be relationship material.

    As far as gaming the seven? You are in a quest to manipulate, and use her for sex. Using lies and things like, “Oh, your kindness has saved my wretched soul!” You’re a creep of the first order and if she goes for it; well she’s asking for it, but you’re still a creep.

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  145. on April 10, 2009 at 1:20 pm PA

    I care about what a girl does for a living since it affects her social status and her attraction level,

    Hey David, would you rather do a waitress with DD-cups and nails/heels, or some high-status NGO’s director of public relations with A-cups, short nails, and good-girl sexlessness?

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  146. on April 10, 2009 at 1:29 pm David Alexander

    Hey David, would you rather do a waitress with DD-cups and nails/heels, or some high-status NGO’s director of public relations with A-cups, short nails, and good-girl sexlessness?

    In a perfect world, I would have sex with the former, and befriend the latter. The problem is that in the real world, if the waitress becomes pregnant, I’m stuck with marrying (or being associated with) a woman low class which makes me look bad in front of family.

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  147. on April 10, 2009 at 1:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    “The world is awash in money. Do you hear what that means? It is awash in money. It is flowing for everyone. It is like Niagara Falls. And most of you are showing up with your teaspoons.”
    ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

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  148. on April 10, 2009 at 1:36 pm PA

    That’s a reasonable response so far as being consistent with your character. I was just trying to see if for you a woman’s social status trumped her looks, but it turns out it doesn’t — you are a normal guy in this respect.

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  149. on April 10, 2009 at 1:47 pm Lupo

    Gold digger wrote: “A guy has to be very, very smart and very, very aggressive (Alpha traits) to work for the companies I mentioned.

    Maybe watching Wall Street and American Pyscho several times has rubbed off on me “

    I don’t doubt you watched some silly movies which influenced your opinions, but I know more of these dudes than you ever will. 99.8% of the successful ones are Pointdexter style nerds, just like those evil DABA harpies asserted. They’re nerds with money; nerds with money who will be all “aw-shucks” flattered if you mistake them for “alphas” but they are nerds none the less. There are still the old school knuckle-dragging flow traders, but they’re an endangered species, soon to be extinct. For example; this dude used to be CTO at the best Hedge Fund in the World before he decided to take a vacation at Google: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJRPGd3RRc4

    If that’s your idea of an “alpha” -you probably are really into Unix.

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  150. on April 10, 2009 at 1:52 pm David Alexander

    I was just trying to see if for you a woman’s social status trumped her looks

    Plus, I’d add that if she’s trashy AND white, then it reeks of the whole black guys dating white trash stereotype. Of course, the problem is that the girls with the DD cups, nails, and heels are basically in the prole/trashy category of white women even here in New York. It’s effectively a genetic swamp if you’re aiming for high IQ children, and their families tend to be openly prejudiced…

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  151. on April 10, 2009 at 1:54 pm Da_Truth_Hurts

    @PA
    I posted this in an earlier thread, but Google “Xenoestrogen”. Basically plastics and other contaminants from modern living are reducing testosterone / sperm counts in modern men. Combine that with feminism and modern academia, and you’ll end up with a ton of fucking gimps running around or hiding away playing video games.

    @Gunslingergregi
    The job I have contracting involves setting up network backbones in warzones. Compared to my NCO pay, its a fucking avalanche. I’m not putting in 20 years unless I get to start mowing motherfuckers down wholesale to release the aggravation. This ain’t your grandpa’s army.

    I’m an avid investor, collector of precious metals, and I don’t live a frivolous life. When my salary goes X3 I should have enough for my long retirement somewhere warm with a few young honeys.

    Until then, I’m going to run through tons of ladies in Tampa and beyond. The blinders are off – I am in complete control of my life and if I get fucking blown up tomorrow, I will have lived a good life.

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  152. on April 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Fuckin A man.

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  153. on April 10, 2009 at 2:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    No No No No lupo she needs to have a stud and tons of money and be able to take him to the cleaners. lol What she offers is not quite clear yet. She doesn’t offer loyalty, commitment, children that the guy will be able to see, just a life time of pain and she thinks it is ok because after all the guy has lots of money lol what does it matter that she fucks him and gets it. The guy to her is not a person with emotion. Apparently once a person is rich she thinks some magic happens and they become non human. Therefore it is perfectly acceptable to take his shit.

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  154. on April 10, 2009 at 3:10 pm Virgin@40

    Betthi,

    First of all, I find you very interesting (not playing/gaming you around), I think you’re my age and I aprreciate your comments. Just answer me something: You aren’t American, are you?

    Now let’s go:

    ” It speaks of my cynicism that I don’t believe you love her. Obsession and lust isn’t the same thing.”

    More, more points to you. But let me cut the bullshit and say that it is not cynism from your part, it is honesty. I like that. Unfortunately, it’s not lust and it can hardly be considered obsession because I’m in a bad fase and she is the best I have / know in so many aspects. I really *do* care for her. If this is not love, than I don’t know what is.

    “Go improve yourself and make yourself actually worthy, then bother her. You would do anything? Be a man and don’t even think of snagging her until you can honestly say to her ‘What’re you doing wasting your time with these little boys? I’m getting you the hell out of here’.”

    Agreed. That is what I *try* to do. But of course, it is easily said than done. And I am counting much on her to improve myself. And worst than everything, the motivation is near null. Especially without her.

    “Distancing yourself is much better than being around, she won’t notice any changes if you’re around and you’ll be constantly friend zoned.”

    That’s what I doubt. That should be analysed even further. Maybe you right, but I don’t feel so. Last night I was about to distancing but then she came so nicely smooth (over the net) and with such a conversation that she was invited to be a model/actress with great national visibility…
    I believe I have much more to lose if I distance myself than not at the moment. I bet you will have plenty of chances to elaborate on this after my comments. Thank you.

    P.S. – I cannot distance myself right now because now I believe that I am truly her best (male) friend (maybe appart from her boyfriend). My next step (next three weeks) will be to become the funny friend… You say I do not love her but I (and her I’m not sure) feel that many people want to jump into between her legs and will do much for it, but I will be the one to be arround not excpecting her legs to open. That’s why I think it’s *love*. For what other reason would I be stupid enough to give everything and not to expect nothing in return? Being amazed by every fraction she returns to me?

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  155. on April 10, 2009 at 3:53 pm Lupo

    Gunslingergregi: “No No lupo she needs to have a stud and tons of money and be able to take him to the cleaners. lol What she offers is not quite clear yet. She doesn’t offer loyalty, commitment, children that the guy will be able to see, just a life time of pain and she thinks it is ok because after all the guy has lots of money lol what does it matter that she fucks him and gets it. The guy to her is not a person with emotion.”

    Lolz; I can see you went and read some of her blog also. She gets points for recognizing the truth Roissy brings to humanity, but loses them for thinking they don’t apply to her. My favorite assertion on her website is the idea that rich dudes don’t mind gold diggers. It reminds me of the Baden Powell quote on pig hunting,

    “Not only is pig-sticking the most exciting and enjoyable sport for both the man and horse as well, but I really believe that the boar enjoys it too.”

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  156. on April 10, 2009 at 3:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    Tell her boyfriend about your feelings so he can kick your ass. I bet you will feel better after lol

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  157. on April 10, 2009 at 4:02 pm Anonymous

    To prove my point, fame doesn’t counter the fat: http://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/1491909591

    no, it proves that fame doesn’t counter the betaness. kevin smith is tres beta.

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  158. on April 10, 2009 at 4:04 pm ian in hamburg

    Why do I come here? Just to gather more evidence.

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  159. on April 10, 2009 at 4:10 pm Anonymous

    honestly, many rich dudes don’t mind gold diggers if they are rich betas. these are the guys that never had game and never expect to have any and blatantly use their money as their sole bargaining chip.

    listen to rap songs, lots of them are by rich guys who blatantly extol virtues of flat out buying a chick’s affections.

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  160. on April 10, 2009 at 4:27 pm dougjnn

    Lupo —

    My favorite assertion on her website is the idea that rich dudes don’t mind gold diggers.

    She’s not entirely wrong about that. But she is partly wrong.

    There are gold diggers and there are gold diggers. If she’s just looking for a way to get the money without having to work too hard herself, yeah that’s both horrifically unattractive once the right guy figures it out, and highly likely to lead to a divorce.

    Any man marrying any kind of gold digger, and any man with a lot of gold to dig must assume that’s a component of the attraction, is and idiot if he doesn’t get a pre-nup. Any man contemplating marriage to “lovelysexylady” would be and idiot if he didn’t.

    On the other hand, if the gold digger genuinely get’s all hot and bothered and moist due to his high status and high income / wealth, that’s something else. Some women are attracted to bad boy gang leaders and others to bad boy financial tycoons. It’s not necessarily only a desire to clip coupons. Of course poorer men often want to thinks so.

    But get a pre-nup just to be sure. As well to keep the power that attracted her to you in the first place, instead of loosing it immediately upon marriage.

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  161. on April 10, 2009 at 4:29 pm dougjnn

    ian in hamburg —

    feminist tool.

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  162. on April 10, 2009 at 4:31 pm dougjnn

    Virgin@40–

    You’re looking as hopeless as David Alexander.

    If you are so utterly unable to actually learn anything from here, even though you may say “thanks for the advice” before you ignore it even when it’s very good, what’s the point of responding to your long winded and often semi incoherent posts?

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  163. on April 10, 2009 at 5:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea ian maybe you can work it out on here. Get through how no woman can live up to your expectation because your older sister was your ideal and she was gone. You didn’t get to see a bad side to her there wasn’t enough time to see her as a real person. So you went gay man. No big deal. Hamburg probably more fun for that anyway.

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  164. on April 10, 2009 at 5:28 pm Lupo

    dougjnn: “She’s not entirely wrong about that. But she is partly wrong.”

    Well, I had a (hot chick) pal who told a paranoid-about-gold-diggers (and relatively rich) pal this, which I agree with; “maybe it’s just the first thing that they found attractive about you; that’s no worse than being attracted to a girl because she’s really pretty.” I agree with that; the idea being that you’d find something else to like about each other up the road which was more substantial than “he can buy me lots of expensive prezzies.” But, you have to read the crap this fembot writes. It’s too much awesomeness, really; like a cartoon character of female evil. Roissy should do a feature about her; she’s sort of the anti-Roissy:

    http://lovelysexybeauty.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/guys-who-worry-about-gold-diggers-usually-don%E2%80%99t-make-a-lot-of-money-real-rich-guys-don%E2%80%99t-carealsogod-makes-me-question-how-to-make-game-ethical/

    This, too, is kind of awesome, and probably true:

    http://lovelysexybeauty.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/from-boys-to-men-how-age-affects-a-guys-ability-to-be-controlled/

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  165. on April 10, 2009 at 5:34 pm Default User

    Virgin@40

    You seem like a nice guy. Maybe even a romantic. Hey I am a bit of a romantic too. I really wish that some pretty lies did not have to perish. Sadly, sometimes they do.

    I am afraid that you screwed the pooch but you will not screw the girl. You are done, toast, finished and (in the metaphorical sense only) fucked.

    However, there is good news. This is your chance to begin your journey from boy to man, from beta to alpha.

    Part of becoming a man is handling disappointment, learning to take your knocks. Every boy will suffer defeat. It is when he picks himself up that he starts the journey to manhood. It is OK for a man to feel emotion and suffer loss, but he never lets it control his life (that is women’s work). Your journey begins now. Turn your back and walk away. It may hurt for a bit, but will make you stronger.

    Remember she is just a woman. She is not some magical special being. She will end up with some man’s cock in her mouth. This is because she has the same earthly desires as other women. When you start to think of her as this special creature, just imagine her taking a big mouthful of some other dude’s penis, slurping hard, with delight in her eyes. You can be fairly certain that if she has not already, she will soon do exactly that.

    There is plenty of good advice here. Plenty of ideas to get you started.

    Remember, she is just a woman but you are a man.

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  166. on April 10, 2009 at 5:36 pm Virgin@40

    Dougjin,

    I bet you did not understood. I said I *will* follow the advice you gave me.

    However, only I know the situation I’m at and thus, I have to ponder what to do. You see, I will continue posting here so that I have more clues on what to do.

    Game is not to be copied, it shall be adopted to every circumstance accordingly.

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  167. on April 10, 2009 at 6:21 pm Rum

    Ian in H.

    Like all the others who come here to complain about “Game” you avoid saying exactly why you dislike the idea. A strong impression is created that you know it is fact based and realistic, you just do not want to be reminded of it. So you try to shame its devotees. That will not work, of course.
    Because women everywhere vote against you with their pussies. What do you think speaks louder?

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  168. on April 10, 2009 at 6:31 pm Bhetti

    Virgin @40: No, I’m not American even though being inundated with all the US’s films (oh High School Musical, oh the pain), tv series, literature, online media, fashion follies, foreign policy decisions and economic disasters makes me feel like it.

    To summarise: Even an Arab kid dreams of Disney World.

    Not distancing yourself from her also keeps you within the habits you have for her. She might notice the strange transitional behaviour you have and remember it even when you don’t want her to. It’s very hard to break yourself off from the way you always treat and feel about her if you don’t get some distance. Your ‘transformation’ doesn’t have to take long, and you can’t live & breathe her, you need to be your own man. You need to break yourself off from the madness and she should seriously be fine without you. You’re getting too comfortable with the morsels and the day some external factor in her life bars you from her (boyfriend, marriage, career) is the day you have a full-out breakdown at this rate. I’m not there to judge but I think you’ve talked about sabotaging her career, which again doesn’t seem particularly loving, more like doing anything even if it’s not in her best interests to keep her near you.

    doug: I’ve asked my brother who’s a law student, and he said UK prenups were completely enforceable. I’m going to ask a family friend who’s a solicitor to confirm this, but where did you get the information that they aren’t?

    Also, being as hopeless as DA is an exaggeration. DA’s attitude is quite different!

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  169. on April 10, 2009 at 6:49 pm Lupo

    dougjnn: “She’s not entirely wrong about that. But she is partly wrong.”

    Well, I had a (hot chick) pal who told a paranoid-about-gold-diggers (and relatively rich) pal this, which I agree with; “maybe it’s just the first thing that they found attractive about you; that’s no worse than being attracted to a girl because she’s really pretty.” I agree with that; the idea being that you’d find something else to like about each other up the road which was more substantial than “he can buy me lots of expensive prezzies.” But, you have to read the crap this fembot writes. It’s too much awesomeness, really; like a cartoon character of female evil. Roissy should do a feature about her; she’s sort of the anti-Roissy.

    I’d include links to fun blog entries, but the spam catcher moderates ’em.

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  170. on April 10, 2009 at 6:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ian also lives in ultra white la la land. Legal prostitution. Almost 100 percent white. Can walk downtown without getting stomped down by 20 people. Class divides based on education. Healther care, dental, vision taken care of. Legal weed. Upward mobility based on intelligence and grades only. He lives on a different planet. Or at least when I lived there for 2 and a half years.

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  171. on April 10, 2009 at 7:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea lupo read some of her blog when I got to the rich people can’t be hurt by taking there shit is when I stopped lol At first for second seems ok. Then the pretend your innocent shit came on and its like whaa. Your blogs interesting and it seems you had the same thought about us chicks woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman. lol

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  172. on April 10, 2009 at 10:50 pm Bhetti

    DA: Do you realistically know what DD cups look like? Are you sure your porn-twisted view of the female body doesn’t see these as B cups? Have you walked into a lingerie store and checked what a DD is, especially for the tinier women (not sure how you measure them there)?

    Not sure if you actually know. I’ve encountered someone who didn’t and thought DD was larger. They’re not really pornstar big.

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  173. on April 10, 2009 at 11:35 pm David Alexander

    Do you realistically know what DD cups look like?

    In real life, no. In porn life, of course.

    Have you walked into a lingerie store and checked what a DD is, especially for the tinier women (not sure how you measure them there)?

    To be honest no, but I am aware that a size that may be large on one girl may appear to be small another.

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  174. on April 11, 2009 at 7:24 am lovelysexybeauty

    Wow, so much discussion on me. Interesting…

    So I’d like to understand more how exactly what I am saying makes me evil?

    The comments against me sound like Sara I and other feminist commenters who come on THIS blog and are all like, “How can you guys be so superficial!” and “You guys are all idiots to talk about women like that!” and “That is so mean you will never get a girl like that, I would never fall for something like that!”

    I’m trying to describe real behavior that I’ve observed, which seems to have been effective. (Even if that behavior has only worked on Beta men, but why do so many women marry Betas any way then?)

    Please enlighten me on what I SHOULD be thinking/doing then, that’s why I started the blog.

    I want to be a better person and better woman. Please don’t take my describing very real behavior out there as accepting the status quo; I want to do better but also be in reality! I’m trying to learn how to live my life. I’m not some goddess of knowledge on how to get a man or something.

    Also, I’ll admit that my experience with successful and/or rich guys is limited; my sample size could very well be unrepresentative. I could very well be wrong about how most are. So it was interesting to hear your insights on most of them being nerds. But isn’t it also interesting to see the macho posturing that many do to show that they are NOT nerds (like the old “models and bottles” shtick, etc.)?

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  175. on April 11, 2009 at 7:26 am lovelysexybeauty

    Sorry, my last paragraph was referring to finance guys being nerds being very interesting to hear.

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  176. on April 11, 2009 at 8:04 am Default User

    lovelysexyvixen

    A lot of finance stuff involves building mathematical models and the complex computer programming to implement them. Obviously those guys will be the nerds. Very bright, very well paid, but nerds all the same.

    The other side is proprietary trading. These trader guys (an it is almost exclusively guys) will be more like the image you have. These are the “work hard, play hard” buccaneer types that most people imagine when they think of I-Banking.

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  177. on April 11, 2009 at 8:59 am epiclolz

    I’ve noticed that the more educated the female, the more ridiculous my answers should be….

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  178. on April 11, 2009 at 9:00 am Default User

    Find sugar daddies online.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/magazine/12sugardaddies-t.htm

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  179. on April 11, 2009 at 1:38 pm David Alexander

    Find sugar daddies online.

    Sadly, this is not an option for the vast majority of beta males who lack the income and wealth to peruse that option…

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  180. on April 11, 2009 at 2:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    at lovelysexybeauty

    I am pretty sure working in oil rig bus you have had quite some experience with “rich” guys you just may not have known they were rich.

    There are only about 85,000 superrich guys on the planet who could give you the lifestyle your envisioning. Millionaires are fucked up every day by divorce. It is a redistrobution of wealth.

    If a guy has all the toys, the house, the lifestyle. He is probably living paycheck to paycheck no matter how much money he makes. So when the job ends the money ends the lifestyle ends. If your goal is to get with a guy who makes 500k and it is to help him live paycheck to paycheck. What are you bringing to the table for the both of you?

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  181. on April 11, 2009 at 2:41 pm Virgin@40

    Bethy,

    So you’re an Arab living in London? Interesting… I really, really hope you’re a girl because Bethy is somewhat of a feminine name.

    “Not distancing yourself from her also keeps you within the habits you have for her. She might notice the strange transitional behaviour you have and remember it even when you don’t want her to.”

    I am not *always* near her. I just feel a great urge to be near her and more importantly, to know where she’s at and what she’s doing. Actually, I am seeing her once a week and that’s okay. It gives me all the time to play the most Alpha in that space of time and also, she does not get tired of me. I’d also be very pleased if I’d start to be part of her nightlife (especially without her boyfriend and the futile friends of him) and she is now constantly talking of her new college friends, that I should meet them, that she’ll present me my new girlfriend, that she’ll take me to their (overwhelmingly female) friends parties, that she’ll make me meet very interesting people (models, good friends of her, girls she thinks I’d like, girls she says are pretty, etc.) but I am yet to see the concretization of that.

    So, I don’t feel any need to distance from her. And notice that there were periods (while I was in the same class of her) in which I deliberatedly tryed to get close to her and others in which I would distance myself. All this almost abruptly. And also there were times in which we were dinner out as friends (5,6) and she’d say: “No, I don’t want you to sit next to me once again”.

    “you can’t live & breathe her”
    I know it very well.

    “You’re getting too comfortable with the morsels and the day some external factor in her life bars you from her (boyfriend, marriage, career) is the day you have a full-out breakdown at this rate.”

    I will suffer greatly but I will not die from it. I am also trying to get in with other girls because there is 98% chance that I will never have nothing with my ten. In fact, this closer-than-excpected friendship certainly feels better than simply getting laid (on a regular basis. Not that I have any experience but masturbation) with 6s 7s and 8s which are already *somewhat* all the way to *very* difficult to get.

    “I’m not there to judge but I think you’ve talked about sabotaging her career, which again doesn’t seem particularly loving, more like doing anything even if it’s not in her best interests to keep her near you.”

    Not exactly. She went to study at night to a college that was not her favourite and the course was not her favourite either (she hadn’t the best grades so it was good) just to follow her boyfriend. She did not asked me anything. I was against it.

    But now, she likes it (the college and course). She does. Sbhe found out that she is great with romance languages (contrary to English) and she has now another perspective of future. I support her now. Eventhough her future perspective of life / employment / create a company passes necessarily through the money of her chain-of-supermarket-owning boyfreind’s family. That or any other external source of revenue (from a guy who is not me, unless I win the Euromillions). I support her in this.

    I would never sabbotage her. She says she would like to be a model of face only. Of course that with her body nobody will accept her as that only. She does not have a high opinion of the famous teenage/early 20s year old people who work as (pseudo) actors in that series to which she was invited although not being an actress.
    She does not know… and I fear the contact with such people combined with the effective comercial exploitation of her body and pretty face will definetly change her character, for the worst.

    She knows who was my favourite girl on the series last time I happened to saw that togeather with her, and recently I pointed out that girl as an example: (half teasing her): You see, they will make you the prostitute of a Chinese… you’ll have to kiss him, undress in front of him, and pretend to fuck him on chamera for everybody to see.

    It *is not* her dream, and she truly doesn’t know what to do. It’s not just for her to be near me. It’s because I admire her personality pratically as much as I apreciate her beauty and I don’t want her to become another person. She would then cease to be *my* ten… and would be just another ten…

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  182. on April 11, 2009 at 4:00 pm chic noir

    PASo while there was still a relative hierarchy of more-attractive to less-attractive males, most guys back then would have been considered alpha-enough by women’s standards.
    PA, in those types of societies, a man’s looks will play a more important role in his ability to attract females. Just look at or read about smaller agrarian or nomad societies and you see that men place spend more time grooming to appeal to women.

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  183. on April 12, 2009 at 12:06 pm lovelysexybeauty

    This thread is probably dead but I’ll answer any way. Easter blessings to all…

    Default User: Thanks for the clarification about the two sides. I’ve heard before that the real work in in finance is done by the “Quants.” The Quants I’ve interacted with are indeed pretty nerdy, and have a very funny fashion sense (guess they are not as obsessed about showing off with custom suits, fancy cufflinks, stylin shoes, etc.).

    dougjnn: I think you get what I was trying to say in my post on why some rich guys seem to not mind women who like them for their money/power. The traits that make a man successful and/or rich tend to be the same that make him popular with women (being a gogetter, having big goals in life and going for them, being a leader of others, risk taker, etc.). It’s more of a correlation of personality traits to career success.

    It definitely is akin to: a hot girl will get asked out but her looks won’t guarantee she’ll get a marriage proposal.

    >>>>>>
    on April 11, 2009 at 2:17 pm Gunslingergregi
    at lovelysexybeauty

    I am pretty sure working in oil rig bus you have had quite some experience with “rich” guys you just may not have known they were rich.

    There are only about 85,000 superrich guys on the planet who could give you the lifestyle your envisioning. Millionaires are fucked up every day by divorce. It is a redistrobution of wealth.

    If a guy has all the toys, the house, the lifestyle. He is probably living paycheck to paycheck no matter how much money he makes. So when the job ends the money ends the lifestyle ends. If your goal is to get with a guy who makes 500k and it is to help him live paycheck to paycheck. What are you bringing to the table for the both of you?
    >>>>>

    I read over my post again, and the commentary. I think it’s a bit of a logical leap to say my goal is to marry a a very rich, 500k+ guy based on what I wrote.

    I was only sharing my observation that I’ve seen many guys seeminly nont concerne about gold diggers. My theory was that it’s because they know they have limitless potential to earn money, and also because they worked hard for that money and feel OK getting girls for that. I found it to be quite an eye opener. Perhaps this lack of concern is not as widespread as I thought, as you guys have pointed out.

    As for me; sure, it’s great to have the OPTION to be able to buy anything I may want, but it’s not the most important thing in life at all. Having money to spare is a great security blanket, certainly. Ultimately I am grateful for whatever blessings the Lord sends my way. If I have to struggle being poor, so be it; it will teach me character and what’s truly important. If I have lots of money, I hope I have the wisdom to stay humble and appreciate it, and use it to help those less fortunate.

    Money won’t buy happiness, health, or inner peace. But aspiring to do and the best you can be might bring those things.

    A smart guy with tons of confidence (Alpha type of guy) will make do with whatever we have. He will aspire for more and more in his life, whether thats in the millions or just the thousands of dollars (or not in monetary terms at all!). A guy with THAT type of character and personality is who I hope for.

    As for what I bring to the table, I don’t know. 🙂 For whatever reason, many fairly wealthy and successful men pursue me any way in a marriage minded way (was engaged to some, yes I know I have issues to have been engaged more than once and am working on it 😦 ). Maybe they’re inflating, maybe they are living paycheck to paycheck, OK. But their personalities indicate they are doing well and will do even better in the future.

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  184. on April 12, 2009 at 3:02 pm Default User

    lovelysexyvixen

    This thread is probably dead…

    No thread is dead when you are on it babe! 😉

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  185. on April 13, 2009 at 2:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    on April 12, 2009 at 12:06 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Ok didn’t respond before because you scare me. I can admit. That was truth. So yea. Dam. If you can have the back of a good man there is nothing you couldn’t do. If you can make a promise to live through anything. Just be carefull you don’t wait too long and know that the difference between millionaire and dirt poor doesn’t have to be that big of a leap.

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  186. on January 2, 2010 at 12:19 am Daniel

    How do I make “electronics engineer” sound sexy? My mental image of “electrical engineer” is a meek older family man with a big white scruffy beard wearing plaid and hunched over a soldering iron in a dark basement. Not sexy.

    It’s one of the highest-IQ jobs you can get: http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-08/iq-range-occupations.jpg It’s something I’ve been interested in (“passionate about”) for as long as I can remember. I make more money than I know what to do with (and could make a lot more if I got a different job).

    It’s just… not sexy.

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