Whether because of laziness, preoccupation with job and hobbies, or falling into a steady, comfortable pattern with a girlfriend, time away from the game will kill your game faster than cumulative rejections, self-limiting beliefs, or hanging with a beta crowd. It’s like high blood pressure, the silent killer. You don’t even realize your game is suffering until it’s too late and a beta embolism seizes you in a death grip.
I used to think that once you learned game it would stay with you for life no matter how much time you spent away from it, like riding a bicycle. Now, I know this isn’t true. Within a month of departure from the field, your game will begin to degrade. First your outer game will deteriorate, then your rock solid inner game — your confidence — will start to show cracks. Finally, if you don’t take active steps to counter the slide to betatude, you will completely revert to your old self. You see this a lot with freshly minted divorced men. They’ve been out of the game so long they have the mannerisms, attitude, and courtship skills of a socially retarded high school A/V club freshman, adrift in a sea of bitch sharks.
The Descent of Alpha follows this trajectory:
—> Master Seducer commits to a girlfriend or, heaven forfend, gets married. He spends most of his free time with her.
One month passes without hitting on fresh meat.
—> Master Seducer is out with his boys and sees a hot chick. Preparing to approach, he hesitates for just a second. Guilt over his GF? Or something much, much more ominous? For a brief instant he struggles to find an opening gambit. This is an odd feeling for him. The opening line used to come second nature. He can’t remember the last time he had to scan his brain for an acceptable conversation starter. Is his GF’s pussy fogging his mind?
Two months pass without hitting on fresh meat.
—> Master Seducer is walking down the sidewalk and notices a chick who is just his type walking toward him. He is sexually satiated from his GF’s loving daily ministrations, but a dying ember within compels him to summon the old swaggering dick-swinging demon. And this girl is just the one to inspire him. He makes his move, but to his astonishment he says something about the tourist season. Their friendly, sexually neutered conversation soon falls apart, as he knew it would. Curses! Casual game! His normally charming asshole game has betrayed him. He wonders why he said what he did.
Three months pass without hitting on fresh meat.
—> Master Seducer, who has by now been demoted to Master Beta Boyfriend, has not hit on a new girl since he met his girlfriend. He wakes in the middle of the night in a cold sweat wondering if he’s still “got it”. Determined to put his growing fears behind him, he takes advantage of a weekend his girlfriend will be out of town to hang with his crew and recapture the old glory. He figures he’s already got regular pussy, so he’ll be free to experiment and be as bold as he wants. In the field surrounded by all the glittering new beauties, a flicker of doubt briefly rattles him, but he forces it aside and strides purposefully into set after set like the King Dong he used to be. Unfortunately, his game is sloppy, scattershot, and misses the mark more than it hits. As set after set fizzles, he grows more timid in his conversations. He forgets fundamentals like hitting on the fat chick first and negging the hot babe early. He forgets to qualify. He even catches himself standing in a defensive posture. He goes home numberless, but consoled that at least he has pussy waiting for him.
Four months pass without hitting on fresh meat.
—> Our Master of Nothing has decided to throw in the towel. He’s got a great GF and maybe his new game-free outlook on life is the natural progression of becoming a well-rounded man. Like yin and yang, the alpha and beta must coexist. Too bad for our anti-hero his girlfriend has myteriously stopped giving him unsolicited blowjobs. She snaps at him for inconsequential infractions. He has stopped flirting with other women when they go out together. His egregious flirting at parties used to piss the hell out of his girlfriend, but the night always ended in floorboard shaking sex. Now, the night ends with a movie and soft, tender lovemaking — at least from him — that leaves her unsatisfied.
Six months pass without hitting on fresh meat.
—> Master of Herbs has done all the right things: He’s stopped catting around, he’s paid more attention to his girlfriend, he’s been a dutiful boyfriend with eyes only for her. So why did she leave him? All he knows is that he’s been thrust into the field, cold and unarmed, and his glorious past BG (Before Girlfriend) where he hardly ever went a week without new pussy is just a distant memory. He flails wildly in set. His confidence is shattered. He spends $5K for a workshop with Lance Mason. We can rebuild him. We have the technology…
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The first thing to go when you have stopped gaming girls is your asshole game. Asshole game is like the dick in the coalmine. When it goes flaccid, you’ve got big problems on the horizon. Asshole game is probably the surest marker of healthy testosterone levels. It’s also the leading edge of tight game and the most sensitive to any beta backsliding. If you’re concerned about losing your mojo, pay close attention to your inner asshole. Have you stopped referring to girls as “bitches” and “dirty whores”? Have you stopped making fun of them and risking getting blown out? WARNING! You have taken your first steps betawards.
Ask your friends to observe you in set and grade you on your assholery. Third party feedback is invaluable for avoiding the dreaded fates of the Complacent Herb in a Relationship or the Lazy Beta Too Self-Satisfied to Bother. If you can keep your asshole game sharp, the rest of your game will be safe from the predations of the Beta Side.
Maxim #59: The longer you are away from seducing new women, the harder it will be to seduce one when you want.
Excellent insight. I know tons of cats who have suffered from the above afflictions (and I don’t mean those T-shirts that look like they have puke on them either).
Game can be easily lost.
Even I lost my Game once:
I was hiding out in the Panamanian Jungle (long story as to why) eating mangoes, papayas, spear fishing, surfing beautiful waves everyday on pristine beaches living in a very small town with no running water.
Which was cool, except there were no girls to swoop.
After a couple of months of this (4 actually) I returned to a big city in Latin America with beautiful women everywhere.
I literally could not approach. I had nothing to say.
It was paralyzing and stifling. A living hell.
After being in the jungle for 4 months what are you going to talk to a girl about? Climbing trees? Bug repellent? Different species of Mangoes?
Luckily a beautiful latina girl pulled me out of my paralysis a few days after.
After swooping her for like a 5 hour session, I looked in the mirror and said “Thank God, its me again”.
– MPM
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This pattern is exactly what fat chicks and 4s were made for. Self-esteem boosters.
A guy who has been in any relationship for more than a few months has lost all self-esteem when it comes to picking up chicks. He knows his game is gone and that his beta side has won the war. More than likely, he’s also packed on some weight and isn’t in peak physical condition.
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LOL! Loved the Six Million Dollar Man reference. Classic.
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i didnt know latinas still put out for a BIC lighter
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Funny, I was at a party over the weekend and saw a bunch of people I hadn’t seen in a few of years. Married to girls they were dating when I last saw them.
The beta-backslide is real. In two such couples, the dudes were beta shadows of their past selves. Were they always this beta, or is it just a change in my perception?
But then again — other couples (about four) still were the alpha guy and sweet girl combos.
And here I noticed the difference: of the couples where the guy still looked alive and the girl semed to adore him, the guy was older and the girl had feminine qualities.
In the couples where the guy was a wan little shadow, the wife was an overdconfident harridioan (though not unpleasant to me; one or two flirted with me) and about his age or older. One in fact was a she-lawyer!
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This is such a sad fucking story! I need another box of tissues.
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First comment here so I must say, thanks for the blog Roissy. You’re a gentleman and a scholar.
Is this a good companion video to this post?
“What would Penis do?”
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PA
Yeah, bingo.
Chuck the feminist “equal partnership” model and embrace a male lead partnership.
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1. Never stop flirting with girls at every opportunity, even if you don’t go for the close. Which means that even when in a relationship you should be getting out where you can socialize.
2. Getting your skills back is a lot easier than aquiring them in the first place. To a certain extent, it _is_ like riding a bike. You don’t forget everything and the memories of your past successes will prop up your inner self while relearning what you have forgotten. You know you can get there, you just have to accept the process.
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“We can rebuild him. We have the technology”
yep, ima half to yoink that one. But as another comment said,
This is why when you get back to the game you start low with a couple of turtles, never want to blow your back out on the dimes
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Roissy —
I’m still hoping for your post on the BEST way to conduct a LTR, especially if you weave in doing it soft polygamously.
Yeah there have been lots of tips here and there. Right this sec your “shut the fuck up” post is coming to mind. But a post dead on this topic would be great.
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so here’s an honest question for the alpha regulars:
if you are dating a girl who is amenable to you continuing to run asshole game on her, and doesn’t mind if you flirt around, can your game stay sharp?
which begs the question, are there girls that are really chill like that or is it something that they front for the first few months to make you think they’re not the uptight psycho DC bitches that they really are inside?
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Maxim should be amended: The longer you are away from seducing new women, the happier you’ll be. The longer you bang fresh meat, the odds are that they’ll end up showing you crazy. Crazy. Narcistic. Insecure. Whiny. Self promoting. Vanity. It goes on and on. The best advice is to find a really bangable chick you can stand and chill out with her… even if they keep sliding numbers in your pocket, showing up naked in your hotel room, going for the kiss at Christmas party, saying things like “I’ll blow you for a cigarrette” at HH, etc.
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All men are not created equal. Do you think a guy that spent $5K on a workshop to learn game is more likely to fall into betatude in an LTR than a natural?
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This shows that advanced Game is unsustainable for all but the few men who make it their full-time job.
Basic Game (i.e. not falling for traps, etc.) might be permanent, but advanced Game is unsustainable.
Hell, even Mystery was turned into a sobbing wreck more than once.
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“And here I noticed the difference: of the couples where the guy still looked alive and the girl semed to adore him, the guy was older and the girl had feminine qualities.”
Yep.
Ronald and Nancy Reagan
John and Cindy McCain
George and Laura Bush (although the age gap is small here, Laura Bush is very feminine).
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Doug,
We’ve covered your question to some extent in my recent exchange w/Nilk, and I would kindly reiterate:
First, be the Man. Weak dudes can’t pull off MLTRs for the obvious reasons.
Be brutaly upfront with your potential new Woman, that while you definitely like her, you also have others. Then stand back and let her choose. Completely nonchalant about it. In fact, the more nonchalant you are about it, the more likely she is to be down.
Choose your other Women well. Women constantly judge each other, and would rather have to compare themselves “up” rather than “down” if you know what I mean. Plus, it keeps em on their toes.
Be discreet. Both Women don’t want their business all on Front Street for a whole host of reasons, but namely because they don’t want to have to explain what it is about their Man that she “allows” him to get his on the side. Discretion goes a long way to getting more Poon. Believe men, your Woman knows the deal. Just keep it to yourself, unless its an expressly stated and aimed threesome cohabitating thing, which means that *she* has set everything up, NOT YOU.
Keep them seperated. No need to go mingling the two lives, kids, etc. At least early on. After some years pass, it might work out.
Just a few ideas off the top of my head. But the number one thing to remember is that you are the Dominant Male in the situation: act like it. You set the rules. You set the pace. If they don’t like it, they are free to leave at any time. They can and will be replaced.
What they get in return: a real Man, who can and will love them, support them, and fuck their brains out, regularly. Trust me when I tell you, such things are in short supply, if you don’t believe me be a fly on the wall the next time the gals get together.
Ok, that’s it. Holla back
O
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If you’re a real alpha it never really goes away. I got married to a smoking hot babe I like, after going through a huge line of crazy, narcistic, whiny, mendicant, self promoting, etc. set of “new meat.” Even with the ring, here is small list of things that have occurred over past six months — naked “friend” showed up naked in hotel bed, Christmas kiss beyond “kiss”, offer to “blow you for cigarette”, numbers stuffed into my pocket after conference. Goes on and on. If they’re that crazy, they’re that crazy.
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GIVE ME BACK MY FILET O FISH!
GIVE ME THAT FIIISH!
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Obsidian–
My question wasn’t addressed to you. I might have said the same things myself. As well as you know I’ve read what you’ve said to nilk.
I guess you simply wanted to seize the opportunity to display here some more.
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I’m still hoping for your post on the BEST way to conduct a LTR, especially if you weave in doing it soft polygamously.
Second this request.
I’m also curious how you’d go about pursuing and then sustaining a LTR if you placed extremely high value on having lots of intellectual discussions. Game preaches that engaging a chick’s logical side shuts down her emotional side and thus must be avoided in picking her up. But is this only initially true?
Or do I have to reject Game altogether because, despite all its power, it cannot possibly lead to the only kind of relationship I value? (And I know my goal isn’t impossible to achieve, since I’ve seen happily married couples who have what I want.)
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Ugh, but the Reagan children!
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Even the best PUA can get rusty through neglect. Solid post.
I’d also like to see a post on conducting business in a LTR.
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Doug,
Tru dat, you’re right; nevertheless, I think you would agree that at least some of what I’ve stated is applicable to your question as you’ve stated it. And, since we’ve actually done what I have spoken to, it suggests that it can indeed work, yes?
Chris,
According to Neil “Style” Strauss in his book The Game, the easiest gals to game are the really, really smart ones. My own personl experience has borne this out. I personally find the standard fare at clubs and the like to be completely mentally unstimulating.
You just have to push the same attraction buttons in the smarter gals, and because they have “bigger heads” I find them to be much more sexually adventurous and satisfying as well.
O
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According to Neil “Style” Strauss in his book The Game, the easiest gals to game are the really, really smart ones.
Why do you (or Strauss) think that’s so? The smartest/upper class girls are least in touch with their instincts and are accustomed to less aggressive guys?
I do agree with this, btw.
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Chris —
One of the ways you need to qualify girls is whether they have a real interest in doing what you’re looking for — having amicable intellectual discussions. But you are going to attract them by teasing and other aspects of game.
Down the line in a LTR you don’t have to be playing full on game all the time but you do need to keep it in mind to avoid being beta. So then have your intellectual discussions. They aren’t going to get her wet for you though. Playfully teasing her about stuff around them sometimes might though. Probably best done separately at different times, usually. Though you’ll hopefully just develop an instinct.
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PA,
Good question, and Style actually does give his reasoning for why this is so in his book but unfortunately while he included a glossary, he forgot an index, lol. So its kinda tough for me to go digging in the book to find his exact words.
But to paraphrase what he said, smarter gals tend to be more attentive and not suffer from as much ADD as the more barhopping types. Try it out fr yourself sometime: you’ll get a lot farther in a convo w/the average campus gal than you will with a clubgoer. And Game, solid Game, hinges on the ability to have a good conversation.
That’s my take on it, and in a nutshell, that’s what Style was saying. If you read the book, some of the hottest ays he had were with gals who tended to be pretty smart. The one toward the end who was one of the guy’s younger sisters at Project Hollywood comes to mind. Brainy chick who gave good brain herself. 😉
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way off topic citi 3.6 evil laugh.
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Chris,
Hey, what up man? Glad to see ya back.
I’d have to cosign what Doug said, its a simple matter of going to where the smart gals are, then switching to talking to their pussies at least as much as to their brains. This shouldn’t be that hard since Women are wired to handle two things at once on average, especially the really smart ones. All that abstract stuff really gets them off.
My own experience has been that being smart really gets them off, but that might be because its kinda tough for Sistas to find a Brotha that’s interested in something beyond the standard fare for Brothas. At least this is what I’ve been told when I’ve asked. So that may or may not be applicable to your situation.
O
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“I’m still hoping for your post on the BEST way to conduct a LTR, especially if you weave in doing it soft polygamously.
Second this request.”
An old adage: Don’t go to the pizzeria and order the clam strips.
“I’m also curious how you’d go about pursuing and then sustaining a LTR if you placed extremely high value on having lots of intellectual discussions.”
Start banging dudes, dude. Immutable premiums are youth and beauty. Other non-procreational urges fall under the ‘latent homosexuality’ category.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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LOL @ Cannon’s remarks
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kubelik:
being allowed to flirt around while dating/married to a woman is no substitute for roaming free in the wild.
it’s kind of like animals in a wildlife refuge compared to animals in a zoo. the animals in the refuge are *kinda* free, but not really. there are still boundaries that fuck them up when they are released into the “real” wild.
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Cannon’s Canon,
Great comment.
Second only to mine.
– MPM
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Chuck
Could you please elaborate on your comments above? I need clarification. Thanks.
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One of the ways you need to qualify girls is whether they have a real interest in doing what you’re looking for — having amicable intellectual discussions. But you are going to attract them by teasing and other aspects of game.
Well, I’ve got the qualifying part down pat. 🙂 But I’ve yet to figure out how to mix in enough teasing. I don’t think of appropriate teasing things to say very often, and canned lines strike me as too dangerous to be worthwhile when it comes to social circle game. (Especially when one of the former members of the circle openly teaches Game!)
Maybe I need to practice for a while on girls I don’t care about.
Down the line in a LTR you don’t have to be playing full on game all the time but you do need to keep it in mind to avoid being beta. So then have your intellectual discussions. They aren’t going to get her wet for you though. Playfully teasing her about stuff around them sometimes might though. Probably best done separately at different times, usually. Though you’ll hopefully just develop an instinct.
Yes, I’m hoping that alternating in this manner will get the job done.
It would be nice if somebody actually verified that it worked, though. It really, really concerns me that, at least the last time I read something from him on the subject, Godless Capitalist despaired of ever achieving the goal, after going through quite a few smart women. It makes me think that this entire path is a dead end for me, even if it’s of great value to others.
Hey, what up man? Glad to see ya back.
Hey. Been lurking this whole time, just haven’t had much I was compelled to say.
Start banging dudes, dude. Immutable premiums are youth and beauty. Other non-procreational urges fall under the ‘latent homosexuality’ category.
I’d actually do it if I were wired to like it! (The evidence I’ve seen suggests that almost all guys are hardwired one way or the other.) Unfortunately, I’m not.
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Chris —
Where are you reading him these days — particularly if he’s talking about game much there?
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“I’m also curious how you’d go about pursuing and then sustaining a LTR if you placed extremely high value on having lots of intellectual discussions. Game preaches that engaging a chick’s logical side shuts down her emotional side and thus must be avoided in picking her up. But is this only initially true?”
I would suggest joining match.com and “winking” at every warpig and age 40+ cougar you see.
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Chris,
Yea, I’m of the view that gay Men are wired that way, but when it comes to Women, environmental conditions hold more sway. It all depends on the circumstance for them, for the most part.
Anyway, listen man, don’t think too much about this stuff, otherwise you’ll freeze up and fuck up. Just hang loose and hav a good time. Go out with the idea of just testing stuff out just to see what happens, and register what did and didn’t happen at the end of the night.
Be willing to step outside of your comfort zone, man. One big problem with a lot of guys is their refusal to try anything new. Gotta be willing to stretch it a bit.
Hope that helps.
O
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Roissy, check this article out. Its about why women stay with their abusive partners (I know you know why..but its still a good read.)
“So even a small advantage of having a fraction of a son carrying his father’s violent genes and thus outcompeting his male rivals in intrasexual competition for status and mates might be sufficient for the tendency for women to stay with their abusive husbands to evolve.”
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200804/why-do-some-battered-women-stay-in-their-abusive-relations
Beat them up….nice and slow.
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Schoolboy,
Good lookin out. I’ve said before, that Women by and large enjoy some swats on the fanny. Its good to keep the psychological dominance over her, so give your leather belt a good workout every so often. She’ll thank you for it. Trust me.
😉
O
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As the obligatory social conservative, I’ll weigh in and say forget about fooling around while in a LTR. It’s just not worth it. Flirting around is another thing, however, as it re-inforces to your GF that you are indeed Alpha material.
No one, not even women who prefer the dominant Alpha pursued by other women, likes being cheated on. Some will put up with it, but they don’t like it. Women generally prefer however being validated as the one who has the “hottest” boyfriend other women want. They just don’t want him to be having the other women.
And there are practical reasons: STDs, managing time, greater emotional intimacy with one woman, and so on.
I would advise all other men not to waste time with a woman you don’t love. If you don’t love her, and are not seriously considering marrying her, don’t make her your serious, LTR GF.
But if you are lucky enough to find a girl like that, DO make her your serious, LTR GF and think about marriage. When you are sure, act. But only when you are sure. In the meantime flirt but do nothing to follow up on it.
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“its a simple matter of going to where the smart gals are, then switching to talking to their pussies at least as much as to their brains.”
Obsidian – so true man.
Smart women are still women. You can still open up and tap into their inner slut like any other chick. You need to be as smart as them however. If you can display classic dominance (social or physical) as well as your intellectual capacity they will be very attracted. If you have a conversation where you can seamlessly weave humor, teasing and a little intellectual discussion (or some other display of intelligence) it will light them up. Impress them with your smarts, but don’t forget to mix in game.
An intelligent guy who is also sexually attractive is quite a catch to the brainy girl.
Smart girls typically respond well to clever/witty remarks which simultaneously display your social intelligence and humor.
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Where are you reading him these days — particularly if he’s talking about game much there?
This is the last I saw from him: (on 2blowhards)
That said, it’s not too hard to put yourself back in the shoes of a fresh victim about to be deprogrammed if you think about how you might explain this to your girlfriend (a hopeless task in general — after several fruitless attempts with several different long-term women, I have decided once and for all that discussing abstract ideas with your girlfriend is a waste of time. Abstraction is not the recommended conversation topic, fluffy bunnies and goddamn baby showers are. Oh well, as long as the apartment smells nice.)
Now where was I? Ah yes. Not only am I not in the business of persuading my real life woman, I’m not in the business of persuading random people on the internet anymore. Gave up blogging. Once in a while I come out and stretch my legs on a comments thread.
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good luck Mel, you’ll need it.
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=22572
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I don’t buy it.
There is no such thing as Alpha guys – there are just guys with confidence, self-respect, and a strong sense of their own value.
“Game” is simply spelling out in minute detail how a confident guy with a strong sense of his own value would/does act towards women. I hate the term “game” – it implies deception and manipulation and artificiality, which is so misleading about what it actually is. It’s just acting from a position of self-respect and a conviction of your own value. Game is not about “tricks” as the name implies – it’s about acting with self-respect.
Every guy has a natural genetic limit to how confident he can be – most guys fail to realize their confidence potential while growing up, and Game can help them. But for a guy with a naturally low genetic limit for confidence, no amount of Game in the world will help him. It will all come off as hollow and artificial. I’ve seen it – it’s painful to watch. Game only helps those who have failed to reach their natural potential for confidence.
But the behaviors that generate confidence and a strong sense of your own value have to be applied in every area of your life – if you only apply them in your interactions with women, then of course once you no longer interact with women your confidence level will drop – or in the stupid terminology favored here, your “game” will suffer.
But if you make a commitment to ONLY ever act in ways consistent with your self-respect and confidence in ever area of your life, including your girlfriend, you’re “game” will never drop, because you will always be treating yourself as a high value man and will always manifest the behaviors of a high value man (not supplicating, etc).
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But if you make a commitment to ONLY ever act in ways consistent with your self-respect and confidence in ever area of your life, including your girlfriend, you’re “game” will never drop, because you will always be treating yourself as a high value man and will always manifest the behaviors of a high value man (not supplicating, etc).
The problem is that these behaviors are actively detrimental in the workplace. Some may be okay with this tradeoff; I certainly am not.
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Roissy
I was just about to send you an email asking you to write about this very topic.
I picked up the other night but at best a 6 and my game was fucked. I got by on looks alone, stepping down a couple of levels just to satisfy my wang.
Can you do a post about how to get un-rusty? If that’s a word
Thanks
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While it’s true that game suffers while in a monogamous LTR -if you have any balls at all, once you get your sea legs back enough to bone someone, your game should come back in spades. In fact, some of the most brilliant game I’ve seen has been from dudes who were trapped in horrible marriages for really long times. It’s a beautiful thing to see them tearing into it once they’re free.
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Increasingly I am the target of Amogging. Being an asshole seems to encourage this. How do you guys deal with this?
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“In fact, some of the most brilliant game I’ve seen has been from dudes who were trapped in horrible marriages for really long times.”
Agreed.
When I went into my two day slump after being in the Panamanian Jungle, I went on a tear like Gengis Khan.
– MPM
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good insight.
you forget the principles of the neg astonishingly fast. you leave the game for a while, get back in, and suddenly sets are stalling. why? no negging, usually.
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roissy
Solution: don’t get a girlfriend if gaming random women is so important to you.
That’s because there’s something wrong with her.
I’m not sure if this makes any scientific or rational sense.
Why is it absolutely essential to refer to women as bitches and dirty whores, and why does not doing so make someone a beta?
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Lupo,
Excellent point, and Style mentions the very same in The Game: that often the cure for what ails is Sarging-HARD. Once you get a few under your belt, you’re good to go. Works for me.
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@Christ – on the contrary, acting with appropriate self-respect and a high sense of our own value is the best way to succeed in the workplace. “Nice guys” don’t just finish last with women, they finish last in the workplace, too. It’s all related. The one key to succeeding in anything at life is having self-respect and confidence.
Emphasis on the word “appropriate” – it may not be appropriate in a meeting to act with a level of outspoken self-assertiveness you would in a club, especially if your position is very low, but with a combination of facial expression, body language, silence, etc you can easily convey self-respect in an appropriate manner.
It’s ultimately futile to be confident with women but a pushover in other areas of your life.
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“No one, not even women who prefer the dominant Alpha pursued by other women, likes being cheated on.”
Who sez they’re gonna find out?
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This one is having more babies on top of already having 18 children already. No, she is not the octo-mom. And these so-called superior whites complain about black people on welfare. Shiiit!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30156915/
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Monday Edition: Another Crazy White Person of the day.
This one is having more babies on top of already having 18 children already. No, she is not the octo-mom. And these so-called superior whites complain about black people on welfare. Shiiit!
How do you know the Duggars are on welfare?
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This one is having more babies on top of already having 18 children already.
did you even read the article you linked to, seafighter? the mother isn’t having another kid. the daughter is having her first.
How do you know the Duggars are on welfare?
seafighter’s just pissed that i shit all over its socialist ideology.
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Advice Needed
“Increasingly I am the target of Amogging. Being an asshole seems to encourage this. How do you guys deal with this?”
Wear custom suits.
Carry yourself well.
Practice Martial Arts Daily. (this helps “carry yourself well”)
Pack a Cannon in your Marc Buchanans.
Don’t take sh*t.
Roll with a Psycho-Mad Murderous Crew.
Lift Weights.
Game the hell out of your rivals.
Roll with The Somali Pirates.
– MPM
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—How do you know the Duggars are on welfare?
seafighter’s just pissed that i shit all over its socialist ideology–
I didn’t think they were. If they were, you’d never hear the end of it from the usual crowd.
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on the contrary, acting with appropriate self-respect and a high sense of our own value is the best way to succeed in the workplace. “Nice guys” don’t just finish last with women, they finish last in the workplace, too. It’s all related. The one key to succeeding in anything at life is having self-respect and confidence.
Emphasis on the word “appropriate” – it may not be appropriate in a meeting to act with a level of outspoken self-assertiveness you would in a club, especially if your position is very low, but with a combination of facial expression, body language, silence, etc you can easily convey self-respect in an appropriate manner.
Bill Gates had plenty of self-respect and confidence in the workplace, but, as far as I can tell, was not particularly good with women.
I’m a bit too lazy to dig up an appropriate post right now, but Roissy has definitely confessed to being of fairly low rank in the workplace, and not being very assertive there.
While it is possible to succeed spectacularly in both arenas simultaneously, they require different and somewhat conflicting skill sets. You have to be able to constantly change how you behave depending on context, and it goes deeper than merely refraining from being outspoken during a company meeting.
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“Roll with The Somali Pirates.”
Probably a bad idea these days. There’s a good chance you’ll get terminal lead poisoning…They are terrible dressers as well.
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O:
kubelik asked if your game can stay sharp even if you have a woman who seems to be okay with your flirtation and gaming of other women.
i argue that it can’t be as sharp as it could be if you were single…or in the wild.
its possibly to keep your game sharper than some men whose women aren’t amenable to their man flirting around, but those guys are like zoo animals. they are domesticated and lose *some* of their instincts. guys whose women somewhat allow them to game or flirt are merely just glorified zoo animals. they’re animals on a wildlife refuge. they have the outward appearance of being free, but they’re still restricted in many ways. wildlife refuge animals are missing one key component to keeping their edge: competition. competition, in the form of other men or their female objects, is what keeps men who practice game in bars and other venues sharp. a tied down man loses this aspect of his game no matter what his woman allows him to do.
(* by wildlife refuge, i mean an area that has usually been determined by the government for “wild” animals to live. they are allowed more space and roaming priveleges than zoo animals, and animals of a refuge are allowed to intermingle. the catch is that the animals selected for placement in the refuge aren’t necessarily the same ones found in the animals’ natural habitat. also, population control measures unnaturally alter the ecosystem.)
case in point: the bears of yellowstone. for years during the 1950s and 1960s, bears there were fed human food to the detriment of their animalistic instincts for food gathering. they relied on the handed out food (analogous to LTR pussy) and lost some of their ability and desire to find more difficult sources of food.
it was really just a stupid analogy for the fact that it’s really hard for any man to keep his game sharp while in a LTR.
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Discreet–
Women who want to are VERY good at finding out. For one thing they can read men, and particularly their man very, very well. For another they share tips on this amongst their gf’s all the time. Men in contrast are embarrassed that the idea would even occur to them. Women consider that it’s an ever present danger with an attractive man. Men like to believe it isn’t with an attractive, and even a previously copiously sexually active wife.
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“Roll with The Somali Pirates.”
“Probably a bad idea these days. There’s a good chance you’ll get terminal lead poisoning…They are terrible dressers as well.”
Long odds on the Pirates, but Be careful what you read in the western media, the Somali’s will give as good as they get.
They are lining up to get out there and heist.
– MPM
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The hornets nest is stirred: http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-13-voa23.cfm
– MPM
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chris:
I’m a bit too lazy to dig up an appropriate post right now, but Roissy has definitely confessed to being of fairly low rank in the workplace, and not being very assertive there.
you must have me confused with another roissy.
While it is possible to succeed spectacularly in both arenas simultaneously, they require different and somewhat conflicting skill sets.
this is true. what i have written, which i think you are misremembering as some sort of personal confession on my part, is that what makes a man an alpha with women is not necessarily the same as what makes him an alpha among men, though there is often overlap. a CEO can steer the corporate ship and rock the boardroom while having zero grace in the company of women, while a wisecracking player can wind his way effortlessly through scads of willing wet pussy despite having no pull in hierarchical office shuffling. success with women breeds its own confidence, no jockeying for the corner office required.
ps: in future, try to refrain from confusing theoretical jaunts and descriptions of reality with personal revelation. i’m aware it’s a common human failing.
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Bitches? Dirty whores? Really? I can think of guys in mainly positive terms but still think ‘Beta sex-starved suck-up pedophile until proven otherwise’ when meeting a new dude.
Just sayin.
Is it really part of Game to think like that? Do you have to think the worst of a person to be a jerk to them? To me, jerkiness is a state of mind and a state of hormones, which cause you to interpret whatever someone else is doing in a ‘that pisses me off’ way even if it’s uncalled for.
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They are lining up to get out there and heist.
well then, we’ll just have to blow the fuckers to kingdom cum. with enough dead bodies and a sea running in blood, they’ll eventually see the light. after all, it is the G thing to do.
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The Duggars aren’t on welfare. They own several commercial properties and live off the rent. The TLC network TV show also helps with the bills.
The Duggars are awesome. Every guy an alpha, every girl wholesome and pretty.
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VK has dished the dirt on roissy’s job; we don’t need to wonder 😉
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bhetti, oh yeah, well, there was that brief stint… *ahem*. good pay, though.
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Good points Dougjn. Very good. Women almost always know.
As for being Alpha in the workplace, yeah Bill Gates is an excellent example. Gates was cool, analytic, fairly ruthless, and a number cruncher. He’s insanely rich, and knew a thing or two about seizing his opportunities, maximizing them, and producing software cheap and fast.
None of that made him a hit with the ladies. He was reduced to marrying one of his lame project managers. He’s not even Donald Trump. Your average Hollywood D-list male celebrity on Dancing with the Stars does better and did better than Gates.
Despite Gates being wealthy and powerful, and very wealthy and powerful, since about 1983.
The very qualities he used to build a position of unchallenged dominance made him a nothing with the ladies.
Why is that? I mean his money and advantages his intelligence and drive gave him in building a good position into a dominant one (his family had money) would presumably be of Darwinian advantage to women looking to pass on favorable genes AND positions/resources to descendants.
Lag in Sexual Selection?
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Game in a LTR is a continuous, ongoing process that requires eternal vigilance.
It’s SO easy to slide into Beta-tude, it’s not even funny.
As opposed to gaming strangers in environments where the females are their specifically to be picked up, it’s an entirely different thing when you live with the person.
One can turn on game to work it at a given moment to get what you’re aiming for, i.e. a planned candlelight dinner where you consciously try your best to “romance” or game her into bed. In fact, if you are in a healthy LTR, it’s rather easy to game her, ’cause you already know her “buttons” to push.
But when you are just “living” your life, you have to be extra-careful not to fall into “beta-tude” during regular, boring, real-life interactions.
Men have a tendency to “take the path of least resistance” in co-habitation with a female.
Without thinking about it, it seems easiest to “Yes Dear” any and every request, demand or nag just so she’ll stop talking while you’re busy doing something you want to be doing.
This is NOT the easiest way, because acquiescing just to shut her up for the moment is the quickest path to an unhappy marriage defined by a bitchy woman consumed with beta-contempt.
Nagging is the most basic LTR shit test.
Fail it too many times, and your marriage will end in the ultimate emasculation, courtesy of the family court system.
Some men will blame women for being ball-busting bitches.
If you’re married to one, you got no one to blame but yourself. If she’s a monster in the home, it’s because you fed and nurtured that monster.
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Roissy’s conclusion, that the woman will eventually leave the betaized male, matches something i heard recently, I can’t recall where. But the quote was
‘For women, the opposite of love is not hatred, but boredom’
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“well then, we’ll just have to blow the fuckers to kingdom cum. with enough dead bodies and a sea running in blood, they’ll eventually see the light. after all, it is the G thing to do.”
Wrong. When poverty is the other option, bloodshed is easy. They will not “see the light”.
From their perspective The G thing to do is Heist and protect their coast.
This isn’t going to go away easy.
The G thing is to have peace, so we can go there are swoop fly Somali girls.
– MPM
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French-Canadian?! My worldview has been shattered!
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Dave is the gospel on this blog for marriage game, in particular the importance of passing shit tests.
I’ll add what I call foundational principles: foundational, because everything rests on them:
1) Only marry a girl who loves you. May seem like a no-brainer but you’d be surprised how many guys marry chicks who don’t love the guy. Dougjnn once wrote a nice argument for using the word “adore” instead of “love,” to make the concept more palpable.
2) Marry a good one. One way to go about it is to go for the girl who is above your attractiveness threshold but has the best personality possible. Family background is important — either good family example, or a track-record of rising above her family’s history if she had a bad one.
The “Sixteen Commandaments of Poon” at the top of this page also apply, though I don’t endorse adultery in marriage.
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Chuck says, “This pattern is exactly what fat chicks and 4s were made for. Self-esteem boosters.”
I’m trying to figure out how hitting on easy targets, or presumed easy targets, would boost one’s self esteem.
Wouldn’t it be validation of one’s failure?
Consdering being fat or otherwise not within the sheeple standard is some kind of a crime to you and a few other of the chronologically challenged spawn of sitcoms, preying on the “ugly” is selling out. I wouldn’t recommend it. Besides, you’d be scraping the bottom of the barrel, even among them, because for your game to work, she’d have to be desperate or emotionally numb enough not to notice your lack of arousal.
…and I’m telling you this as someone who has been there. I think I was asleep on autopilot for four years. I was still picky about type, but between the hypothyroid, the pill, and food pyramid lie, I was not nearly as sharp as I am now. You’d be surprised how many women are living in that hormonal dead zone. I don’t have statistics, but can make an educated and experience based guess that a disporportionate number of them are fat as a result of whatever went wrong, so fat above a certain threshold could be a pretty good indicator.
So just don’t go there. Aside of selling out your own standards, herd dependent as they may be, you could be exploiting someone’s illness. The best thing to show a woman who you don’t think is good enough, is indifference. It’ll make things clear without going out of your way to harm someone who hasn’t done anything to you…and a woman does get psychologically messed up from guys pursuing them and then rejecting them for the same reasons they pursued them.
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Discreet the problem is that you know your cheating and it fucks you up mentally. So you end up aquiesing to her wishes on a regular basis out of guilt.
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DFH,
Excellent thoughts, from a Man in the trenches. Taking notes…
O
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the G hoists his flag:
Wrong. When poverty is the other option, bloodshed is easy. They will not “see the light”.
then we will have to kill them all. or do you prefer to pay the danegeld in perpetuity?
btw, chairman mao understood quite well that no matter how desperately poor the masses, staring down the barrel of a gun will keep them in line right good.
From their perspective The G thing to do is Heist and protect their coast.
now that their thievery has been answered with the only thing thieves understand, they will need to “protect their coast”. let’s see if they have the stomach for it when skies blackened by the cruise missiles of a superior power are hurtling toward their pirate-shielding ports.
This isn’t going to go away easy.
total war is surprisingly easy. it’s only diplomatic entourages, UN peacekeepers and transnational “human rights” lawyers who muck it up and bring unnecessary levels of difficulty.
The G thing is to have peace, so we can go there are swoop fly Somali girls.
killing pirates will bring peace. or if not peace, then calm seas upon which to ship cargo and sip tall cool ones under the equatorial sun.
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“””””””””””””””on April 13, 2009 at 4:48 pm Section 8
Monday Edition: Another Crazy White Person of the day.
This one is having more babies on top of already having 18 children already. No, she is not the octo-mom. And these so-called superior whites complain about black people on welfare. Shiiit!
How do you know the Duggars are on welfare?””””””””””””””
I am gonna toss out 100 kids and not one will be on welfare.
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G is telling truth on the wear custom suits. First time I did was the first time I saw a picture of a woman with jaw touching chest and drool coming out looking at me. He He He
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““This pattern is exactly what fat chicks and 4s were made for. Self-esteem boosters.”
I am with Kthulah. Such a statement would only be said by someone with zero Game.
Frankly ugly chicks (if you wanted to Game them) are not quite so easy to Game as one would think. The entire Game model of takeaways, qualifying, etc. Works well on hotties, but not UGs.
Difficulty in Gaming a woman is not quite so corelated to her looks, as someone who actually knows about Game would tell you.
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Nicole, glad to see ya. I need a bit of personal advice and insight, if you have a mind:
I am preparing to go to a deeper level of relationship w/one of my Ladies; I’ve been studying subspace for sometime now, and think I may have put Women there in the past w/o consciously knowing it; now that I think about it, I know I have, and explains a lot of what I’ve read.
I wanted to know if there is anything you can add from your own personal experience in this area, particularly from a Woman’s POV; even though I know you’re a Domme, I figured getting a Female viewpoint on this aspect of the lifestyle can’t hurt.
Please advise…
O
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Here is an OT question I’ve wondered for a while, and I guess this is the proper place to ask it.
Why does eye contact during a blowjob make the orgasm and sexual pleasure stronger, from an evolutionary perspective? Porn directors know the importance of this; when shooting high budget productions girls often wear exotic contact colors.
Don’t say enthusiasm. I’m sure that’s related, but what exactly are we looking for in those peepers?
I suppose this is also why limited dark makeup is attractive as well in providing contrast.
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roissy: I feel like a version of this just happened. Well played, but no matter how you spin it, French is still Francais & je n’aime pas Francais 😉
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I wrote that, because I literally caught myself backsliding without thinking about it yesterday.
I was watching the UFC on TV, and the wife started nagging me about something for which I was half-paying attention to…
…and I ALMOST “Yes Dear-ed.” I had to literally bite my tongue and think for a moment before responding.
While I’m not going to go into details, I’ll say this much: never let your woman nag you into doing a “chore” or “project” she has planned for you.
Take note of what she wants, and than do it when YOU want to do it.
Whenever she gets on to me to do something…I immediately tell her “Nope, I was planning on ______” some other project of my own choosing.
Than go do it. No debate.
Than, on a later date, I’ll do the thing she nagged me about earlier…but at that point, I do it on my own terms – than I get real respect and appreciation from her for the job being done. Oh, and always make sure
But when you do it because she nagged and cajoled you into doing it? That usually ends up with her contempt, not appreciation.
“Finally! I can’t believe I had to nag you forever about that!”
Of course, one does need to make a real distinction between a real request born of real necessity versus your wife nagging you because she wants to see her man working rather than being a couch potato.
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Who would think a tall black man from the south side of chicago will not burst a cap in those somali arses? Hell, in anybody arses for that matter? LOl.
Come on. For pete’s sake, he is a black man!
Yeah, i know, they (black men are mainly liberals), but that doesnt prevent them from capping your arses. LOL!
If you think liberals are weak, then go and slap a black man in the face, and come and tell us about it. LOL!
I am always amused by these retarded republicans trying to say Obama is a weak and Obama is a scary black man: ALL AT THE SAME TIME. LOL. No wonder their messaging is not sticking on the Obama.
C’est la vie, bitches.
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roissy, here’s a present for you.
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PA–
To reiterate for others, it’s very simple really. PA and I are talking about intense love. Passionate love.
Any woman knows she has no hope at all of getting a wedding ring from an American man (in the great majority of circumstances, unless he’s truly pathetic) unless she says she loves him. For that matter, she may not have much chance of any attractive man (and I’d include lots of betas here) becoming her exclusive boyfriend either, unless she does.
So what the words “I love you” have come to mean in America are “I care enough about you and/or value you overall enough as marriage material that I’d like to have an exclusive relationship or marriage with you.” It says NOTHING about the true intensity of her feelings. Here eyes as she looks at you lovingly will, if you know how to evaluate them, but the words “I love you” don’t.
As a relationship goes on when she says “I love you” what she’s saying is she still wants to be in a relationship with you, all things considered, and wants you to assure her that you do too – or hopefully more, from your side. She’d like from security point of view for you to even tell her you need her. That will however tend to kill her passion for you, if she ever had it.
Note women will say this the day before they decide to leave you for the boyfriend they’ve been secretly seeing on the side. Oh yeah, probably way more than half of American women will. Because until she’s made the decision she wants to keep uttering the marriage glue: “I love you”. If challenged after her breakup announcement she’ll say “well I still you in many ways you know. It just hasn’t worked out in THAT way.” She’s been taught to do all this by our American entertainment media, of course. What do you think is in those chick flicks?
One single word for loving you in THAT way is adoring you.
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Indeed; the Dark Lord of the Sith makes a powerful point. Just the other day I was listening to Conservative talk radio razzing President Obama out for not being “vocal” enough about the Somali Piracy issue; I wonder if they will give him props now? Those Navy SEAL snipers could not have acted without his express permission.
He got the job done. Period.
As for Roissy’s earlier comments….
Let me say this. I know just a little bit more, of what its like to live in Mogadishu, than he does. You have no idea what you’re dealing with-and let me clear-I think we ought to take em out too-but I don’t have any John Wayne attitudes about it. These are hardened combat veterans, starting from their teenage years who will have no compunction about taking you outta as soon as to see you stand. Roissy has no idea what that’s like. Remember, he got out of dodge at the mere sight of gun not too long ago. No disrespect. Just trying to put things in perspective.
O
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Advice Needed
Increasingly I am the target of Amogging
What is amogging?
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Bhetti —
Damn girl, that was pretty impressive. When you have time on your hands you’re TROUBLE!!
Now fess up. There’s some feed into that where you supply a pic and a name and it pits the pic in the frame the hot blond holds up and coos to, and the name in script on the final screen, right?
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Bhetti, I am impressed. I didn’t know any better I would say R must have ate.
Roissy should watch out, the bag of goodies girl has nothing on Bhetti.
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Bhetti,
Dont tell me the sight of that manly black man makes you wet?
*I am certain the thought has crossed your mind, naturally, being a woman, you will lie about it*
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Obsidian —
Yes, they did actually. The Captain of the Navy frigate interpreted his world liberally, and the Seals even more liberally.
His rules of engagement were that the military was authorized to use deadly force if they believed the merchant Captain’s life was in imminent danger.
The seal snipers crouched on the fantail of the Navy frigate looked back at the covered and super stout lifeboat they were towing so thirty yards behind and observed this: Three clear shot opportunities at the same time. Two Somalis had a shoulder and head clear and the back of the head of the third who was seen pointing a rife at the back of merchant captain Phillips was also clear. That was the “imminent” life danger to captain phillips. The Seals fired in unison. Pirate hostage drama over, by a macho victory.
I know this how? I heard this all in the live broadcast of the Bahrain Naval Commander’s briefing on the day the ordeal ended. It’s the most detailed info we’ve had to date.
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Roissy:
. after all, it is the G thing to do.
Nah, I always think of this when I think of the G thing to do:
From the twitch of the eyes
You can see the line
Just know it when you see it
Cause it messes up the flow,
To the real feelings y’know?
And I’d rather be sipping on a glass of wine
Can you feel yourself in the room with Everlast
Trying to steal a flow?
I don’t think so
Cock-blockers come with their hearts beating jealousy
In the way like a stray dog
Trying to claim every bitch as his own
Cock-blockers come in every color
Even blue, yeah this is true
Trying to fuck your woman…and even you.
Now what the fuck would you do, motherfucker?
–Big Pimpin’ Delemond
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Darth: Are you talking about Obama? He has a funny face. Other black men are hot, but usually they also scare the hell out of me.
Doug: I see the effect of hot blondes on men. Did you not notice the ‘Create your own’ right there? Dude.
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Dougjn.
I dont know where you get your special diet of stupid, but,
ALL SPECIAL OPERATIONS ARE APPROVED BY THE PRESIDENT.
Ask anybody in the military. or go and read up on the military’s special operation command. hell, even wikipedia will tell you this.
Just get over it already, dude.
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roissy
“the G hoists his flag:”
You should know me well enough by now, that I am going to back any underdog/heistmen out there and throw up the Skull and Cross Bones.
These guys suffered 18 years of illegal fishing in their waters and toxic waste being dumped.
Now they are taking a little of it back. And partying it up with the spoils. Drinking, smoking hashish, waving guns, swooping mad girls, and chowing down stimulants.
(In fact, I doubt there is a more fun place to be on the globe right now…save Tijuana…and I swoop girls there all the time.)
Going up against everyone.
Now that’s G.
– MPM
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Mogadishu ’93, final score: US: 1000+, Hadr al-Jibr: 16.
Those were Rangers and Delta Force fighting mainly dismounted, with only old HMMVs, with extraction on foot by the UN and 10th Mtn, Pakistani UN providing support from wheeled armoured cars only , and only small scout helos for fire support. In other words, a maximally advantageous situation for the Mujahadin, and they died en masse. And US lives were wasted on an insane nation-building campaign, where there was no nation, but only a a collection of squabbling tribes.
Fighting piracy is not nation-building, all we have to do is bomb, and then bomb again to stir the rubble the next time someone throws a boat into the water. Equip cargo ships with CIWS and put them on “auto” when in dangerous waters.
The technology exists to do all of that remotely, all the more so that unlike Iraqis and Afghans, there is no nation-building claim to be made.
You can easily defeat people to whom you owe nothing, Israel actually prolongs its existential conflict because of the “social contract” it has having existed for so long with Palestinians in such a small, interdependent place.
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Roissy,
“Danegeld”.
By the way, great word.
– MPM
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Obsidian–
Yeah what do you know about Mogadishu O? Posturing?
Have you in addition to seeing the movie read Marc Bowden’s even better book “Black Hawk Down?” Our elite forces on the ground, in their rush through the streets by jeep and then on foot killed Somalis at incredible ratios, automatic rife fire to automatic rife fire. 20 or 30 to 1 or something. In fact the “skinnys” often had better weapons with their RPG’s in abundance. They had no aim far less courage. They did have huge numbers and a with them civilian population. That last was one of their main weapons. They were far more willing to let their civilians die than the Americans were to kill them. So they hid behind them and fired behind them all the time. Of course I say the second time that happened we should have just mowed the civilians in front of them down too.
Anyway, the way to deal with Somali pirates is not to try to kill them all. THey’ll endlessly replicate. they aren’t well trained most of them, just far more money hungry than risk adverse. New ones can be created in weeks if not sooner.
They way to deal is to SINK ALL THE SOMALI BOATS WHICH ARE SUITABLE AS OFFSHORE MOTHERSHIPS for the pirate speedboats. Oh and sink all the big engine ribs and kill their engines too. Yeah, a few really are fishing boats. Not many but some. Tough. It is or should be an undeclaired, sort of, small war.
No fixing it afterwards either. Too damn bad. They start getting new motherships and using them for piracy? Sink those too.
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Eurosabra, you write about killing people with bombs with such ease. You scare me 😦
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Kthulah:
I’m not going to buy into the thyroid problem stuff….you read too much into what I’m trying to say.
When I haven’t played Guitar Hero for a while, I start on the easy level. These lets me practice and get my wits about me so that I can move onto more difficult terrain.
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Going up against everyone.
Now that’s G.
– MPM
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I can totally respect that, most people here are a bunch of Roissy’s sycophant. You will be hardpressed to see any of them even disagree with a single iota of what roissy’s writes.
Lying supine like a castrated leprous man, while Roissy’s piss splashes against their subversient forehead. I guess that is their way of letting some of his “alphaness” spill on them….LOL.
Fucking cunts.
Respect, G-Man, respect.
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Bhetti
LoL!
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That is truth Euro i was going to say three words black hawk down. Kind of made me feel sad for somali’s. I hate feeling bad for people. Especially when those same people had the balls to crucify a dead body and carry it around in mocking symbolism. While you had soldiers running pt not allowed to shoot the fucks because of the rules.
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Doug,
First off, NOTHING HAPPENS MILITARILY W/O THE POTUS signing off on it. Bottomline: Obama carries the day. *Period*.
Second, tell me Doug, when’s the last time you were shot at? Or walked thru a known “kill zone” round midnight? I do it all the time, and have been shot at a number of times, thank God I wasn’t hit. I’ve seen others shot and die. Walk by streetside memorials everyday.
And yea, I’ve seen BHD, and have talked to Bowden when he’s given radio interviews locally; remember he wrote for the Philly Inky at the time.
What I’m trying to do is put things in perspective. That’s it.
O
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Nobody is any match for the US special operations, well, maybe the SAS. It is a no contest match. American special forces will clean the somali’s clock.
But i respect G-man’s position.
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Apologies to Bhetti in advance for the error in terminology, irhabiyyoun are NOT mujahadin.
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I think we all need to re-read The Art of War.
(I actually read a little of it everyday)
I recall something in there about “fighting battles on too many fronts”
And
“A nation can never benefit for a prolonged war”.
I wish America’s leaders would read it.
– MPM
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Darth Maul
Consumate retard:
Ahhh, duuhhhh.
You couldn’t understand this in the post of mine you’re responding to:
That’s just what the Bahrain Commander of Naval Operations briefing relayed through the Pentagon said his mission instructions were, retard. I listened live.
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dougjnn:
why can’t conservatives hail obama for issuing the standing order to take out the pirates? who is playing politics now?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21156.html
right-wingers want to mince words over who gave the actual order to fire; no shit obama didn’t give the actual order to fire. presidents don’t make tactical decisions on such things. obama did give the standing order to take out the pirates if the captain was in danger.
obama finally shows balls on something and conservatives want to take it away from him.
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Obsidian —
See my reply to Darth Maul.
BTW, the Bahrain Naval Chief was obviously quite reluctant to give detail to the press members asking questions about what constituted the “imminent danger” to the merchant captain that fell within Obama’s mission parameters. HE clearly felt it was very borderline, but eventually the press succeeded in worming out the details. In light of the great success of the mission, it’s safe to say that no one is going to highlight the issue. (Well I guess I have.)
And yes Obsidian I have been shot at. More than once.
But no, not at all recently. I’m quite happy to not live in a Manhattan neighborhood where I’m dodging that.
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Thanks, Euro. I couldn’t really notice that from your story but it makes a little bit more sense now.
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Chuck
Obama didn’t issue mission orders that said “if you have a clear shot at taking the pirates out, go for it”. His orders were nothing close.
Now if I learn that they were different than as reported in the live Bahrain Naval Commanders press conference, then I might well have to change my view.
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seafighter:
I am always amused by these retarded republicans trying to say Obama is a weak and Obama is a scary black man: ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
if it is true that presidential authorization is needed for special ops actions, i give obama props for unleashing the seals.
props where props is due.
ob:
Let me say this. I know just a little bit more, of what its like to live in Mogadishu, than he does.
no need to raid and occupy moga. stationing battleships along the coast and shelling the shit out of the ports should put a damper on pirate activities in short order.
You have no idea what you’re dealing with-and let me clear-I think we ought to take em out too-but I don’t have any John Wayne attitudes about it.
i’m well aware mogadushi is a shithole and the teenagers are walking AK47s and RPGs. but there is a good reason why pirates have been looked upon with contempt and treated like the street curs they are for all of seafaring history. they are common thieves and brigands, and were dispatched by the cannons of naval forces whenever and whereever encountered.
and lets not play up the somali military fearsomeness too much. after all, these guys ain’t exactly the wehrmacht.
btw, black hawk down was a great movie.
These are hardened combat veterans, starting from their teenage years who will have no compunction about taking you outta as soon as to see you stand.
what was the casualty ratio in the battle of mogadishu? ~1,500 somalis to 91 americans.
Roissy has no idea what that’s like.
don’t underestimate my imagination.
Remember, he got out of dodge at the mere sight of gun not too long ago.
correction: i, unarmed, stumbled upon a mugging by a black man against an older white man (and yes, i know this grates) in progress and jogged to a corner where i could call police on behalf of the mugging victim without being shot at. the mugger’s gun was never pointed at me.
No disrespect. Just trying to put things in perspective.
nice try, ob.
let’s see you answer this question in good faith instead of your usual pissant lame taunts:
in a confrontation between a gun and fists, 9,999 times out of 10,000 will the winner be:
a. the gun or
b. the fists?
you have an ask the audience and a phone a friend lifeline.
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Dougjn…
You might have been trying to listen, but you probably misheard because your ears were clogged with Roissy’s semen. And since you had roissy’s cock stuffed into your little mouth, while he smacks your little head around, you probably didnt get it.
Dont get asphyxiated on his syphilitic cock now.
Fucking dumb sheep, the POTUS is not to be credited with special operations decisions. What a fucking moron.
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Doug,
Chuck’s point on this is excellent; and this is coming FROM a Conservative. The bottomline is that they don’t wanna give Obama *any* credit for doing what THEY SAID HE SHOULD BE DOING from the get go on this thing. Sad. So, very, very sad.
The POTUS is the leader of the Army (Air Force) and Navy (Marines) and what he, or she, says, goes. He gave orders to do what’s gotta be done, period.
Cap’n Phillips is on the way back home, thanks to a Brotha in the Casa Blanca.
The End.
O
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at G
The thing is if you change the tennants of war. Not from winning hearts and minds but to olbliterating hearts and minds just to take land resources for your own people. It relegates the art of war to rest as a history of what war used to be. A whole new manual needs to be written for future war. Shit we have now is already antique.
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Death Moul, that’s a lot of homo imagery in one comment. Is it really about Doug?
It’s like watching Eddie Murphy in a role where he was pretending to be gay. A good actor is a good actor, but he was doing it so well people wondered if it really was acting.
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Roissy,
I’ve stared down the barrels of 9mm’s when I couldn’t dip into a side alley, and saw my life flash before my eyes. If the gun wasn’t fully out and I was close enough, I tackle the guy. At least I got a chance of making it. Don’t know anyone who outran a bullet.
The Somali Piracy thing is mich bigger than some dark faced teenagers and a few dingys. Did you hear about the US Congressman who got fired on with RPGs as his plane few out of Mogadishu? The local Al Qaeda affilate took full responsibility for that, R. So, yea, if we “break it” we own it-get ready for Iraq/Afghanistan all over again.
O
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Chuck, then I’ll skip the ethical pleas, in light of your mentality and just warn you that practicing on cigstache isn’t going to help you get a French fry. The two types of women experience very different things in life.
If it’s what you’re into, successfully gaming French fry will help you get hold of cigstache, but not the other way around, because cigstache is lower status in the mainstream dating market and knows it. She might even (like me) enjoy that for certain reasons.
Looking at you, very objectively, I’d have to say that you’ve got issues around that, that say, Roissy doesn’t have. He’s got a different look, and is…smoother. You’re more of a bruiser who everybody expects to end up with either a fat, church going chick or a bimbo wannabe Barbie hoe, either of whom would be a hair dresser.
So your pursuit of the fat would be way to plausible not to be taken somewhat seriously. You’d be treated too well, trusted too much, and the girls would be way more confused and shattered if you didn’t follow through.
You gaming fat chicks would be like me gaming Argentinian guest workers. Don’t do it man.
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@PA well you do remember that tranny he was caught with. She/he looked just like his wife only better.
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Also if you have capability to destroy all fronts then again art of war is relegated to being a nice read but not practical. Right now in iraq and afganistan we are giving men a chance to be men and have a chance at hitting a target. Also allowing are men to be men to an extent and allowing them to be a moving target to test there various mettles. Plus they are earning a ton of money towards college (which is great feature of army now I can get up to 49k if I go to college on gi bill for those guys wondering if armed forces might be a good idea it probably is) This will probably be the last war period where a major superpower gives the enemy a live target to shoot at.
(even going into pussified army was better than not having gone and wondering if I could have made it)
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49k per year lol is this some fucking insane crazy irony from hell and satan himself. I only need like 150k to be rich as fuck right now lol
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That’s why the paleo solutions make most sense. Don’t invade the world, don’t invite the world.
Somalis or al Qaeda are no problem if they aren’t invited to immigrate to Western nations and piracy is solved by air patrols form a nearby carrier.
If the residents of Mogadishu like things to be lively there, who the fuck is America to tell them to do things differently?
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but you kind of a nice deal for joining for 4 years
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Obsidian and G-Man,
Seriously, US special operations will obliterate the somalis. Regardless of just how tough they are.
This is a no contest match.
The only unit that can probably stand against the US special operations are the SAS or the Russian Alfa groups.
In fact, i am fairly certain that the Brazilian B.O.P.E. will wipe the somali’s clean.
I get what you guys are saying, but there is simply no match for Special Operations guys. Not on this planet anyways. (i have probably read more about them than i should)
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Gunner — yeah, the Iraq war did give us a generation of young men who had seen combat.
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Since we are talking about looks. PA I really need to see a pic of you. Some type of recording where I can hear your voice would also be nice.
Something tells me that for all the yelling my darling Whiskey does here, he has a voice that sounds similar to Mike Tyson’s
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“””””””Obsid,
responsibility for that, R. So, yea, if we “break it” we own it-get ready for Iraq/Afghanistan all over again.
O”””””””””
Naa man I am either going to work with my company or another. Only thing somalis will be shooting at is inannimate objects and the inannimate objects will shoot back.
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“I am going to back any underdog/heistmen out there and throw up the Skull and Cross Bones”
… just not the Kid Dynamite in hypothetical boxing matchups.
Today the G has admitted to a dry spell, paid a superfluous compliment, and drawn the ire of Roissy for the first time in my memory. I theorize that there is a femme fatale firecracker monopolizing the G’s testosterone these days. This would explain the symptoms of humility and sympathy.
No worries, G; it happens to even the Master Seducers.
Also, I appreciated the compliment.
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Obsidian–
Of course he’s the Commander in Chief. Duhhh. No he didn’t give that sort of order AT ALL you idiot all puffed up in the chest black dude. Not according to the Bahrain Naval Chief’s live press briefing.
He did however bring in the Seals. Which was excellent.
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PA gi bill just shot up to crazy amounts. I mean insane 49k a year max for 4 years. Just give everyone a choice college or 200k and they have to start a business in the us. Economic problem fucking solved.
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Darth Maul,
Agreed, the Russian Spatznaz aint no joke, especially those Alfa dudes. Read a lot about em.
My point is that this aint gonna ba lickety split kind of thing that some here and elsewhere are making it out to be, is all. You gotta understand the mentality that drives these guys and I have seen just a piece of it in America’s inner cities, home of stuff like the Crack Wars. Now add the patina of religious ferver with it, man, it aint nothin to sneeze at.
Somalia is strategically important, its plain as day to anyone who got a map of Africa. The USA military, once they go in, will have to stay in. That’s just the reality.
Now…
Will the American People be down for that? Somehow I doubt it.
So, unless we’re willing to go all the way with this thing, clean house and actually install and then midwive democracy in Somalia, which will mean lots of blood and treasure, I say we get out while we’re ahead.
O
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Sink the pirate ships and the fast Rigid (bottomed) Inflatable Boats (RIBs) with high HP outboards. It’s that simple.
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What makes it not so simple is all the leftie Western wailing and knashing of teeth about mistaking “poor innocent” Somali fishing boats and “dealing one more cruel blow to an already destitute and starving country” and so on. That and “execution and destruction without trial” etc. Ahem, what is war anyway, if not that?
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dougjnn:
this is what i’m talking about…if a President issues orders to protect the ship’s captain if he’s in imminent danger, that’s the same as a blank check to take out the pirates if an opportunity presents itself…it was a clear-headed decision in a testy hostage moment; never a good scenario for those being held hostage (captain and the U.S.).
the ship’s captain and crew are heros. the SEALs did a damn good job. obama deserves praise for keeping a cool head and making a decision that turned out to be the right one. why can’t we leave it at that? bush got 90% approval rating for standing on top of a trash heap with a megaphone.
kthulah:
all i’m merely saying is that sometimes a guy needs a little pick-me-up if he’s been out of the game for a while. if he’s rusty, its not too bad to take some BP (batting practice) on some women he wouldn’t normally go after. i used fatties and 4s as examples, but it could also happen with relatively attractive girls too that one just wants to hook up with.
and FWIW, and not that it proves or changes anything given we are communicating via internet, i’ve been able to score some good looking, decent girlfriends.
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Obsidian
No. No. No. It’s pointless to kill their pirates. They can make more in weeks. It’s pointless and too bloody to take their port cities.
Simply sink their piracy suitable boats. All of them.
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Now that I’ve had time to gather thoughts about that, I view the LTR as one of the biggest tests of your Game. You have to keep it going 24/7 and if you don’t, you have to recover. At the same time, you also need to play provider and balance it out: sexual attraction and maintaining love together. Flirting with other women without crossing into socially and psychologically acceptable land. It can be the best constant practice you’ve had in your life.
I disagree with the model of the beta providing without attraction and the alpha generating lust without provision or commitment. It’s like saying there’re good and evil people. There’re good and evil actions, with people doing both but being more likely to do one or the other. Realistically, a normal person cannot STAND someone who’s too “good” or too “evil”; I believe this applies to alphas and betas as well.
The most attractive thing to a woman is touching her not just on a primitive biological level but to generate attraction in her mind and soul as well. The balance for this is going to be different with each one. The main thing is that you have to maintain it.
In light of all this, ‘Getting Rusty’ seems to me ‘Getting Inexcusably Lazy’. The oppurtunity to continue practising your skills is always there, and it is only acceptable for you to lose your skills if it becomes ‘too easy’. That is, not that you LOSE your lady’s attraction but that you find it too EASY to generate attraction from her, due to knowing how to ‘push her buttons’.
I don’t think you even have to practise your Game on females for sexual attraction, just practise your dominance and confidence with females who could be related (i.e. I’ve seen aspects of Game fit into how a dad deals with his daughters).
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Cannon’s Canon,
I am always nothing but 100% honest.
“Today the G has admitted to a dry spell,”
Keep in mind it was two days. No one and I mean no one comes back from the Panamanian Jungle and swoops mad girls. Not even G’s. There is always going to be an adjustment period.
“paid a superfluous compliment”
I give credit where credit is due. And I keep the receipt.
“and drawn the ire of Roissy for the first time in my memory.”
I have done that before many times. It it almost always over the same subject.
“I theorize that there is a femme fatale firecracker monopolizing the G’s testosterone these days. This would explain the symptoms of humility and sympathy.”
If you mean by that, swooping some mad fly girls, then yes.
– MPM
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ob:
I’ve stared down the barrels of 9mm’s when I couldn’t dip into a side alley, and saw my life flash before my eyes. If the gun wasn’t fully out and I was close enough, I tackle the guy.
this mugger’s gun was fully out, and i was not within close enough range to tackle him without making myself a very plump and juicy target for shooting practice. nor would it have made any sense since it was not me the gun was pointed at.
btw, you didn’t answer my question, so i shall ask it again:
in a fight between a gun and fist, 9,999 times out of 10,000 will the winner be:
a. the gun or
b. the fists?
and, if the answer is a, is it:
a. smart or
b. stupid
to walk dead smack in the middle of the line of fire?
The Somali Piracy thing is mich bigger than some dark faced teenagers and a few dingys. Did you hear about the US Congressman who got fired on with RPGs as his plane few out of Mogadishu?
if piracy gets bad enough such that american ships are under constant threat of seizure by somali warkinder, just remember:
whatever happens
we have got
tactical nukes
and they have not.
blessings,
r.
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Bhetti:
your words are all true, but i think the real issue of this post is gaming outside the relationship…gaming inside is difficult, but they are two totally different animals, although i think it is easier to move from single game to relationship game than the other way around, for most people.
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R,
I’m down for whatever man; my thing is, “now what”. So sure, we use tactical nukes, make Somalia permanent beachfront property, then what? Because it won’t stop there.
And as for your other question, absolutely, the man with the gun wins out over the man without. No doubt about it.
My only point is that we have to approach these things with a bit of perspective is all.
Somalia is a lot bigger than simple dingys. If we go in, we go in.
O
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This is not a problem. The problem is when you are in a LTR of co-habitation, you have mundane, real-life situations that you both share, day in and day out.
Trouble is, even when you’re NOT trying to “push her buttons,” if you become complacent and thoughtless, it’s too easy to take the ‘beta-ized’ route in dealing with your woman…(‘Yes Dear’) which over time builds her contempt for you and kills her attraction for you.
So when you are falling into the “yes dear” routine, those “buttons” you know how to push for attraction, can actually turn into a HUGE turn off for her if she’s contemptuous of your beta behavior in your day to day existence.
In a LTR, you simply cannot act beta out of complacency or laziness…than ‘turn on your game’ when you feel like having sex.
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Tactical nukes (and offshore naval shelling of cities, towns, etc.) are overkill and cause more problems than they solve in this context.
whatever happens
we have got
the MQ-1 Predator Drone
and they have not.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KD09Df01.html
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I’d like to see a post on Super Alpha a man who other Alpha men look up to and subconsciously incorporate the values of the Super Alpha into their lives. Maybe a thought on how many there would be on this planet.
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Chuck: I’ll acknowledge the differences you face between cohabiting Game daily and bar Game daily. More continuous effort is needed for the first, rather than the less. It should be easier to get back into the second if you’re putting the effort in.
Dave: Yes, which is why I view it as the biggest challenge yet. How do you keep the heat up when you’re discussing the best way to unblock the toilet & she’s nagging you to do it soon, indeed? So constant Game plus recovery Game from when you (inevitably) slip into the ‘Yes, dear’. Getting out of practice then seems being unable to keep it up, to me. It should be more taxing than the outside Game, rather than less.
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Yea cz picture that on a ground movable platform with .5 cal and 10,000 round capacity on single shot with capability of doing continuous headshots at 1830 meters.
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a bottle of G:
You should know me well enough by now, that I am going to back any underdog/heistmen out there and throw up the Skull and Cross Bones.
i admire your purity.
but thieves must still be stopped. or die.
These guys suffered 18 years of illegal fishing in their waters and toxic waste being dumped.
assuming this is true as written, and that the presumption behind it — that the US is somehow responsible for this state of somali waters — is true, it’s totally irrelevant to the issue of piracy. it’s not like the pirates are targeting fishing fleets with greenpeace-like banners to call world attention to their ecological destruction.
Now they are taking a little of it back. And partying it up with the spoils. Drinking, smoking hashish, waving guns, swooping mad girls, and chowing down stimulants.
funny. that’s the same excuse the bolsheviks used when they exiled the kulaks by the millions to starvation and death.
(In fact, I doubt there is a more fun place to be on the globe right now…save Tijuana…and I swoop girls there all the time.)
i can think of better places. but then i’m kind of a stickler for demilitarized vacation spots.
Going up against everyone.
Now that’s G.
i know what ya mean.
cannon’s opus:
Today the G has admitted to a dry spell, paid a superfluous compliment, and drawn the ire of Roissy for the first time in my memory.
the G is alright in my book, even if we don’t see eye to eye on all matters. if we did, i’d start to wonder about him.
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Again future war enemy soldiers sitting there waiting for an enemy they will more than likely never even live to see.
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Most importantly, you need to be the MAN of the house – that means when something like a blocked up toilet, she shouldn’t be nagging you because you should be dealing with something of that magnitude as soon as it occurs.
If she’s nagging you to unblock a toilet that you’ve let stay blocked up for days, you’ve already FAILED.
You don’t WANT to keep the heat up. You want your “flame” to wax and wane in intensity. If it’s always hot, it becomes mundane.
What you don’t want, is to fall into behavior that extinguishes the flame, i.e. you don’t always have to game her every waking moment…but you do need to strive to avoid behaving in a beta manner, especially when living out the mundane details of regular existence.
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Well, you’ve obviously got it down. Can we legalise cloning, just for you?
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It just occured to me that’s probably a pickup line somewhere. ‘You’re so hot baby. We need to legalise cloning, just for you.’
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Heh – cloning would be wasted. I ‘got it down’ because I learned these things the hard way…years of doing it wrong. I either had to learn how to do it right, or I’d be divorced by now.
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Chuck
The situations aren’t remotely comparable — like they’re galaxies apart. Bush took huge risks in starting the Iraq war. The speed and costs of victory weren’t remotely assured, into the Iraqi heartland and with their having we thought chemical and biological weapons. He paid a huge price shortly thereafter, and through his Presidency because the costs of the occupation proved huge.
Obama on the other hand took no risks whatsoever with his mission orders, as described by the Bahrain Naval Commander.
If Obama does give orders to sink the Somali pirate fleet, now that would win my admiration. And I’ll say so here.
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A lot of guys would’ve just failed at the learning part.
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Arrr! We’ll be havin’ yer shippin’ containers now, matey…
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Yeah…well most guys have been brainwashed by our feminist-warped culture.
It was only my delving into the men’s right’s movement online after watching my ex-aunt rape my uncle in divorce court and use my cousins as extortion weapons while she was banging her bad boy biker boyfriend in the house my uncle worked his whole life for that woke me up to the realities of our present day society.
From reading MRA/MGTOW websites, it lead to the discovery of “game” and the PUA blogosphere…which has given me quite the eye opening education on male and female relationship dynamics.
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Dave from Hawaii
Hey man, I’m totally down with your program, as you know.
And yeah you’re right. To not get something so important (or fairly important in a multi toilet dwelling) done right away is wrong.
But I also just kinda wonder …. is she totally unaware of the magical powers of the plunger herself? Is this something you’ve somehow cleaverly managed to keep from her female brain?
It’s just that that it’s so…. simple, and low muscle. There is a yuck factor. But …. those handles are so long ….
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Well, it was a theoretical situation that Bhetti proposed…the real point is that something like a blocked toilet should not become a source of ‘nagging’ in the first place.
In my own situation, a simple blockage? My wife would (and has) certainly plunged it herself, as she would prefer not to have me come in and literally see her crap.
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If she’s nagging you to unblock a toilet that you’ve let stay blocked up for days, you’ve already FAILED.
Yeah, but I’d rather be railfanning or reading wikipedia… 🙂
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DA: Ever lived with a roommate?
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DA: Ever lived with a roommate?
Other than my brother for nearly eighteen years, one semester of college with two other guys.
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BTW, since I touched on the Iraq war above in response to Chuck’s mentioning it, my position on it in brief is this:
I was for going in. I don’t regret that. Having found no WMD or much in the way of factories to create them, I think we should have then more or less immediately have left.
I.e. I’m not and wasn’t down the the nation building, or imposing democracy, agenda. That was very much the Israeli agenda. Yes they preferred we “take out Iran” (i.e. their nuclear program and degrade their military) first, but Iraq was their second choice. And no that’s no coincidence.
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DA: And as I understand, you’re rooming with family now? In all these situations, no nagging either by or from you?
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Dam I am rereading the post and it is gold.
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I’m not and wasn’t down the the nation building, or imposing democracy, agenda.
Nation building is what white people do best. 🙂
Seriously, the entire idea behind nation building was to build a successful democratic Arab state that would have served as an example to other Arab regimes that democracy would work in the region. I suspect that implicitly, the theory was that democracy would boost economic growth and help suppress Islamic fundamentalism. I suspect everybody was using Germany and Japan after World War II as a textbook case, but that avoids that the fact that they’re basically industrialized states with one ethnic group, not an oil-rich country with no real industrial capacity and a large minority group with a nationalist streak and a majority that wanted revenge against the minority.
In my drunker moments, I’ve felt that we should have let Sadaam overthow the Saudi regime for us, and it would have been better in the long-term to deal with a Baathist secular strongman who would have crushed any Islamic movement as it would have been a threat to his rule.
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Roissy,
“but thieves must still be stopped. or die.”
Keep in mind, our great nation used Pirates before we had a coast guard.
“it’s not like the pirates are targeting fishing fleets with greenpeace-like banners to call world attention to their ecological destruction.”
Apparently, they appealed to the UN 3 times. No one listened.
Piracy is simply one thing: Rebellion.
That is the side I will always be on.
Its more fun…and more girls.
– MPM
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I could see Bhetti being a nagger.
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Gunny
I guess when you say “the post” you somehow imagine it’s clear to everyone what you mean?
You do this all the time gunny. Try quoting to anchor your references. It’s you know, what the rest of us do. Or most of us who comment and are responded to much do.
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Maybe I’m missing something here, but why don’t freighters just arm their sailors? They would be operating from a 100 foot height advantage. If everybody went to the side of the boat and opened up with assault rifle fire the minute a pirate ship got within range, this whole thing would be a non-issue. Instead, you have this captain locking his crew up in a room and surrendering himself to the pirates.
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Gunny: Yeah, roissy, when are you going to fix those capitals? I said to my mother that you never use ’em and she said that a man’s just gotta use capitals, so when are you going to do it? I’ve been telling you and telling you…
I’m more the type to do it myself, then hit you and call you a useless girl.
I am fixing this. I think.
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David Alexander-
Saddam wanted to move to selling all his oil in Euros and other currencies, rather than in dollars. He wanted other Gulf states to follow. If you don’t understand the importance of this, you don’t understand much about geo politics.
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Oh, come on Doug, now talk about changing the goalposts. This doesn’t make Conservatives look good man. Give the man his due and leave it at that.
O
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lol my shit goes from sheet to soul look around.
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“You do this all the time gunny. Try quoting to anchor your references.”
Jesus, dougjnn is fucking little bitch. I assumed the post he was referring to was the original blog bost. Anyway, if not, who fucking cares? A whiny little bitch like you, that’s who.
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DA: And as I understand, you’re rooming with family now? In all these situations, no nagging either by or from you?
I have my own room now, otherwise, I live at home with my younger brother and parents.
As for nagging, of course there’s quite a bit of nagging from my mother about little things, like dusting my room, to bigger things like the unfinished state of the bathroom, or the fact that the hardwood floors need to be redone.
Piracy is simply one thing: Rebellion.
It’s not like the pirates are using the ill-gained ransom money to rebuild Somali society or pay a private Western firm to clean up the ecological mess. They’re stealing for their own personal gain.
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Saddam
I was referring to 1991 Gulf War Saddam who invaded Kuwait to basically avoid paying back his debts to them….
If you don’t understand the importance of this
I’m well aware than an oil bourse in Euros would make our lives in America a living hell…
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Bhetti
For shame girl! You nag your hard working man about a blocked toilet when you know perfectly well how to use a plunger yourself?? Wass up wit you girl?
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There is no love for the doug today. Except mine. Love you, doug.
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It actually scares me how much influence I have over the peoples lives around me.
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ASDF
“Maybe I’m missing something here, but why don’t freighters just arm their sailors?”
International Maritime Law is my understanding.
– MPM
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G
and it forbids the arming of freighters?
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By the way, I’m watching a very good series on PBS called We Shall Remain, a multi-part series on Native American history. Good stuff.
O
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doug: I’m trying to get out of the psychology where I think men are utterly useless things and I can do it all myself! Letting him unblock the toilet is throwing him a BONE.
(Rationalisation, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways…)
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PPK
Fuck off.
Gunny knows perfectly well I like him. It was a helpful tip.
He’s not always understandable. As in the case I referred to.
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Chuck says, “all i’m merely saying is that sometimes a guy needs a little pick-me-up if he’s been out of the game for a while. if he’s rusty, its not too bad to take some BP (batting practice) on some women he wouldn’t normally go after. i used fatties and 4s as examples, but it could also happen with relatively attractive girls too that one just wants to hook up with.”
Nobody’s emotions should be toyed with. “Ugly” girls are like nerdy or visibly poor guys. I’ve known women who basically use poor or socially challenged guys as “batting practice”. It’s a crappy thing to do for males or females.
It’s slumming…or at least in the mind of the person who’s shooting tigers in a cage. You might want to take care that sometimes those bars aren’t as sturdy as you think.
“and FWIW, and not that it proves or changes anything given we are communicating via internet, i’ve been able to score some good looking, decent girlfriends.”
I’m sure you have, which is why you shouldn’t be slumming.
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Yea doug bhetti is not a nag she is practicing negs a lot and is a cocktease. She should be able to get a man but she better bring him on here first so we can grill him make sure he is not gonna buckle under the pressure.
Obsid defending me
And doug still my friend
Allright still a world of irony
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Bhetti
I hear you. But it’s sad that you’d think that. You wouldn’t if you were with me I assure you. Or quite a lot of other guys either, I’ll add, since I’m not actually trying to woo you.
Throwing bones is not really the way to get out of that psychology.
Yeah you can SURVIVE without even high quality men. But nearly as well???
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http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7325352
Who’s the first guy? That’s one hot reading.
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this mugger’s gun was fully out, and i was not within close enough range to tackle him without making myself a very plump and juicy target for shooting practice. nor would it have made any sense since it was not me the gun was pointed at.
Nor would it have made any sense because who was the victim to you? Nobody. The list of people I’ll risk taking a bullet for is very short, and there are no total strangers on it.
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Gunny–
You do know why, right?
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yo dudes was like hitler the greatest alpha male in history? Or ehm Alexander?????blah
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And when he examined the breadth of his domain he wept for there where no more worlds to conquer I can believe that.
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Got to dream big then you have a life that lasts a lifetime.
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Bhetti
Kiss babe.
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6 1/2 months now of no sex. This is what it looks like folks. Doing the driving in car and starting to get a chub again lol
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Bhetti
Did you ever think how insane to men it sounds when you find us sometimes “utterly useless?”
– computers, air travel, penicillin, electric lights, sterile technique, hairdriers, etc. unto virtually everything that you reflexively depend on day after day for your amazingly safe and convenient life.
I have all sorts of rude and foolish thoughts every day but I try really hard to not fling them out there and expect everyone to smile just because I am a handsome guy.
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So all great men in history are alphas?
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Obsidian
Whose goalposts am I changing? Certainly not mine.
He gets an ok from me on this pirate situation, for calling the Seals in but under wishy washy orders. He would get a big plus from me for ordering the sinking of the entire Somali Pirate Fleet (including anything that looked like it might be).
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Rum, I think she meant to her personally…like in everyday life.
After doing without one for awhile, one learns that one is very capable of surviving. This is what a decent woman does instead of becoming a whore who thinks life isn’t complete without someone to leech off of.
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G Manifesto:
I appreciate your advice on wearing custom suits, taking martial arts and ‘carrying yourself well.’
However, I’m not sure about all that other stuff. Assuming it’s not a joke, is there some other way to handle amogging without being involved in criminal activity or getting killed?
I’m just looking for strategies to repel douchey muscleheads.
Style and Cajun are small meeking looking guys. How do you think they handle it?
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and does alphaness necessarily correlate with higher intelligence? It seems to me that a lot of alphas are alpha because of high testorone levels and lack of inntelligence, although I know little on the subject.
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Because life is full of irony doug that is why. Just like people say if that where true everyone would be doing it. The other irony. There are a lot of truths that very few people do.
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doug: I was kidding as evidenced by the bit in brackets. Sort of. About justifying not doing it myself, but perhaps the sentiment behind it. If it’s really important (like… a job or atleast trying), I might have to resort to nagging in an effort to save things. I tend to go straight to PUNISH, do not pass NAG. I “unblock toilets” myself and have taken note of the lesson ‘Do not nag, unless it’s important.’ If I have to nag, I’ll just go with the Dave from Hawaii ‘He has already failed you’ rule. Just leave it and do your best yourself, it’s not worth the energy. Even though it’s more convenient for a guy if you don’t bother to nag, it’s actually a bit more insulting if you do this without calculation. You’re then expecting failure and he’s not even worth the energy of showing him your displeasure. That’s my automatic attitude. I do not expect men to help in any way, for anything. So there’s a balance of two harmful extremes: between expecting him to do everything and just pushing him out of the mental picture by taking over and doing everything.
Doug & Gunny: You people are also teasing with the assurance that I can attract a man of quality! I can try, but it’s not like they’re a dime a dozen and there’re plenty of alternative females out there. I’m more likely to make a mistake as well if I make the leap and it’s very difficult to let a man be a man & take care of things. There’s a lot of trust involved and it’s often horribly misplaced. My judgement is cursed.
I’ve not seen one female relative happy in her relationship. Dave from Hawaii wasn’t completely wrong when he talked about me being the male DA. I am trying. But hell if I can’t get rid of this cynical pessimism eating a hole in my soul and scaring me when the muslim/Arabic model calls for patience, self-sacrifice, love-the-children-if-not-him and optimism. I’m not even sure if my unstable genes should be passed on and I feel like I don’t even deserve the kind of guy I want. A muslim or Arab looks at me and I feel this wave of failure and humiliation that’s like ‘Apostate Whore’ is burned onto my forehead.
If it weren’t for stupid basic needs, alone looks very attractive. If it weren’t for my screwed up-ness, which I’m getting over gradually, wouldn’t even think of being alone.
I never used to dream of the wedding, I used to dream of that hesitant exploration of the post-wedding. ‘Ah, so we’re finally alone and able to be honestly together?’ because by my Arab/muslim model, that’s what it is. I’m looking for that again but envisioning myself letting the shields down when guys you consider brothers have betrayed you in the worst ways in the past is difficult. When I can’t be honest, when I have to lie about exactly how virginal I am.
Leave aside the self-pitying rant. It’s not sympathy I want. I’m working on it. The point is it’s a lot of work, yet. But I appear to be improving from what you’re saying, yes 😉 ?
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Yes, Rum, as per Kthulah I can acknowledge that men are far from useless on planet Earth.
If I think about it deeply, though, I’m not at that level where I can completely not need a strong man (or as it has to be these days: strong woman’s) intervention and help. I’m just completely terrified of having to rely on a male, because personally that has always brought a world of pain.
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My advice would of course be to be honest about your virginity or lack of. I mean have you actually had sex by will or not?
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Maybe don’t answer but in a hypothetical way.
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Gunny: This is probably where I rationalise about what constitutes sex and what doesn’t. Or how sincere the ‘no’s or the shoves have to be to be considered consent. We may as well not get into it, but the ‘evidence’ for virginity should still be there.
Rum: Also, I love the Internet. The darkness that lurks within, eh? It’s much easier if you let it out anonymously and someone looks at it and says ‘Bull!’
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But if you have to lie about it. Think about that (the lie) is what might bring about in your relationship for the future exactly what you fear. You need to be truthfull to the man you intend to spend your life with and he needs to be truthfull with you as well. Fuck a lie. Life is to short and too full of shit already to have a lie between two people who are going to be spending some serious chunk of their lives together. It will tear at your soul every day from the inside out. Of course not to say I guess not lieing might do the same. Man the harshness but still can’t be good to “live” a lie.
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Gunny: Ah, well, let’s add telling the truth to my obstacles then.
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Bhetti, you know no one will take you seriously unless you release a picture here.
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Well Bhetti by definition I would imagine that you are a virgin albeit tainted somewhat but not in the most important way.
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spandrell: that would be insane as need to remain relatively anonymous. I can release a recent picture to hotornot.com or something, then give you guys the rating. But that’s about it.
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Teenagers — if you’re at all charming and/or good-looking, they’ll flirt with you like crazy. Keeps the confidence up. Plus they love asshole game. Their deepest desire is for a cute boy to tease them, so that they get to say, “Heeeyyyyy! You’re meeeeeeaaaaaaan!” while grinning widely.
“Stop being meeeaaaaan!” Cute little things.
And they don’t expect it to be that nauseating “witty banter” claptrap. One of my hot former students and I flirted really hard for a good minute or so, based only on me dissing her Uggs as “yak boots.”
“omigod, what? these are not yak boots!”
Ah. That may have been the day she flashed me her underwear by letting her t-shirt-dress ride up. And then grin at me while saying, “omigod i just like totally flashed you!”
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Why do you figure no relatives happy? And why does your mother argue with your dad over money. This is where your dad messed up. Tell your woman you have a 100k tell her no we cannot buy a new car. Yes we could buy a new car. Yes we could buy almost any fucking thing we could possibly want. We just aren’t going to.
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omg agnostic lol
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Bhetti
Tomorrow I am “on call”. You are studying to be a Doc so you should grasp by now what that means. It means that I will work at least 14 hours straight at a life & death level of intensity and then if I am lucky I will get a few hours of sleep before going back for the next day. ( I still am not sure whether this is an alpha or beta situation.)
Anyway, if you are going to do the job you are training for you have to get rid of the notion that it About You. The patient is the one with the disease, right?
You are entering an esteemed and well paid profession. What are the odds that you will find a poor/middle class guy and support him and your kids at an upper-middle class level? Unthinkable, you are thinking. But for a guy in your situation it would be completely natural.
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Advice Needed
Style and Cajun are small meeking looking guys. How do you think they handle it?
Ask them.
I just read Cajun got put in the emergency room though: http://www.tenmagnet.com/2009/04/10/everything-happens-for-a-reason/
– MPM
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Bhetti
First of all in the context of most of the world, you sound like a virgin to me. Yes you’ve had some sexual experience, and if I understand you right, some vaginal penetration, but the deed wasn’t taken to depth or conclusion.
You need to be honest to a serious suitor in all the details, but not until very late in the game. The fact remains you’ve very inexperienced.
I’m gauging all this for your Muslim/Arab context, as you’ve relayed it.
Have you ever seriously considered marrying outside your faith? You do realize your purity would make you a jewel for many western men, right? Maybe best wait until you hit the US? 😉 You could marry a guy who’s very happy with a culture straddling family you know. You’d likely be in a better position to get alphaish going this way in fact, considering who you are.
As for the first part of your post, nagging vs. going straight to punish, or just doing it all yourself and shutting the “failing” him out. Well, this bit of “failing” of Dave fr H’s is good as simple illustration to guys, but it’s simplistic. What else was going on in his life? Anyway a girl’s best ploy is to be softly, teasingly “nagging”. Yeah that may be hard sometimes but so is male game sometimes. That’s what’s ideal anyway.
For both partners, appreciating what your loved one is going through is always big. Game aficionados tend to place the whole burden on men, stemming from the ethos that with game, men can do wonders. In reality, good relationships are hard if both partners don’t work to make it work.
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Yea Bhetti will be hard on a man who is not very very strong if she makes more money. She might be also thinking that 200k will go a really long way towards helping family and having a lifestyle and many more things. It can but only if you are not into blowing loot like it was water. She does have a tough road ahead yea easier for a rich man for sure in some respects in finding a mate.
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Rum: I’m not sure what you’re trying to say to me. The job’s the priority and it is looking that nothing is threatening that for now but I’ll get out (or become a GP, as we like to say in the UK) if that changes.
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Bhetti says, “I’m just completely terrified of having to rely on a male, because personally that has always brought a world of pain.”
If it helps, women aren’t usually that dependable either. It’s not a gender thing. It’s a people thing. Most people are sheep and have no clue of personal responsibility.
Once you understand that, you understand just how dire your mate selection situation is, if you are the type of person who can think for yourself.
The good news is that independence is more common in males than females according to various “would you be a nazi” style tests. The bad news is that thinking for yourself and being self motivated is very alpha, so these guys are usually taken. You may have to drop the conventional picket fence dream, and join one’s harem.
This is easier said than done, and I’m still wrestling with the idea.
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Bhetti–
You’ve only romantically been with weak, weasly men.
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Really man rum blew that shit out of the water.
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Kthutah
You so much remind me of my Black Girl Friend from the past. Did you do a lot of weights-lifting? Do you live in San Francisco? Did you lose your virginity to a gang of Hells Angels? Is that you, Jan???
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K: Thankfully, I have some women in my life I can rely on. I understand where they won’t help but I can understand where they will. It’s kind of strange to think that their strength might be part of the why of men’s weakness. I like to be realistic but I won’t lie about being limited by my familial expectations.
dougjnn: I really can’t imagine hurting my family that way, by marrying outside. I could find a progressive Arab, loose muslim type somewhere. Otherwise: I would lose them and they’re my love and life. It would also snuff out this hope that I’m going to reform my heathenly ways.
In regards to pain, you have a point although it’s not just through romance. Brothers and fathers and uncles and cousins, they can do it too. But I’ll grant you that when I think about the most horrible incidents, it is weak men. I find strong men rare. Still, talking about this makes me feel like I’m being unfair to some of them somehow and bigging up their faults. Maybe I should try and remember men and examples of situations I have relied on and have come through. Like my dad, who’s a fountain of support these days.
So, doug, you want to be my first experiment in trust? Shall I send you pics, and if they don’t turn up in wierd places, I would’ve advanced in The Journey?
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“You are entering an esteemed and well paid profession. What are the odds that you will find a poor/middle class guy and support him and your kids at an upper-middle class level? Unthinkable, you are thinking. But for a guy in your situation it would be completely natural.”
rum: fucking brilliant my man
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Doug, or it could be that they’re just weak and weasly compared to her. I have to watch myself about these sorts of labels because I’m a kind of hard core person relative to most people in general, so it would take alot for a man to be more man than me.
When you’re in the upper levels of intelligence, intensity, sense of responsibility, etc. then your selection choices are limited if you want a truly compatible partner you can be into, and not just tolerate.
Doctors and others in intense careers that require alot of time and energy, need partners who can have their own things going on, without their priorities straying away from the core. It’s easier in most cultures if the guy is the one with that kind of career. The woman often either has to sacrifice her career to some degree, or her home life.
As a businesswoman, I chose to sacrifice my career, but I had that option because my business was small, and there weren’t others depending exclusively on me for their jobs. I can also always get back into it when my daughter is grown, and doesn’t need me to be around so much. I’m thankful to have had the option to roll back and freelance.
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Rum, that’s not me. The only things I have in common with her are being Black and lifting weights. My biker friends weren’t outlaws. They were mostly military guys and contractors who liked to ride. So my chastity wasn’t at risk among them…well, maybe at risk, but not in danger.
The same however, cannot be said for my blood alcohol levels during that time of my life.
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I think people are kind of hung up on that “you” have to run a business. Delegation can be a beautiful thing. Capital is the biggest requirement. You running every facet is not nescesary. Selfishness of wanting to run every facet and seeking of personnal satisfaction by being able to say the success was all yours actually holds people back from being really successful at business in some ways. Why sara thought before when I talked about my woman running all these business’s that she was somehow killing herself because sara sees running a business as doing each individual task yourself not as in delegating routine tasks and reeping benefits of time multiplication through your sacrifice in saving money and being able to buy assets that make money. Then having others run your business doing their normal way of life in earning a wage. Multiplication of self. You only have so many hours in each day. I cannot work many more hours than I do now. I can find people to help do things with the saved value of my time investment.
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That was at you Kthul and did your alter ego take over did I hear you talking about joining a harem lol and the new calmer gentler kthula wtf is going on today on this thread.
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” ‘Style and Cajun are small meeking looking guys. How do you think they handle it?’
Ask them.”
G:
Their advice is not necessarily free. Yours is implied to be. That is why you attract such flies. You can evidently generate demand for equal/less lucrative fees as those dudes, but you opt to not be bothered with it. Your stated wealth is consistent with this. Your stated motive, as I have ever read them, being a longtime fan, has simply been that your methods won’t work for just anyone not as naturally inclined as yourself.
“I am always nothing but 100% honest.”
That is a refreshing assurance, though directly in disaccord with Roissy’s own endorsement of elaborate ambiguity when describing oneself. I understand that the available superlative is both magnificent and available to the minuscule fraction of hypothetical female readers that are worth swooping, as their emotions could never overrule their acknowledgment of an all-time alpha.
However, you should not afford the same courtesy of assumption regarding honesty to the other internet publishers. Unlike Roissy, the dudes mentioned in the article have money at stake. Thus, they will value upholding their reputation. If they acknowledge getting their asses kicked after spitting game to the wrong mixed set, they will lose clients and their money.
Rather, as I do, you should simply profess the value of squats and deadlifts amongst the common man. Results are exponential. Boxing works wonderfully, of course, as well. That is not the same as what you hear from the categorical, albeit very successful, pickup artists.
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Very interesting post to read. Makes me think about how a woman would lose her “game”… easy, she can lose it by losing her looks and gaining weight! And becoming a nag and boring, etc.
Skimmed over the comments, just few things to say:
– Bhetti: I’ve read your comments regularly and really enjoy hearing your thoughts. Being from a similarly traditional Eastern cultural background myself I can relate to many of your struggles
– Dave in Hawaii is soooo smart
– For every Bill Gates, there’s a “womanizer womanizer boy don’t try to front” Larry Ellison. He eventually married but I heard he plays around a lot (the story of how his now wife ended up with him is very interesting by the way… their first “date” was with her and her then-fiancee from her little hometown, if I recall correctly. I’m sure Ellison enjoyed pursuing that takeover)
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Gunslinger, I’m a realist. I am very demanding in relationships, but not insanely so, and one thing a man can’t do is change his past.
Most guys are older before they really figure out what’s going on, and quite a few get burdenned with obligations with incompatible partners. Being actual men however, they’re not going to shirk their responsibilities just because someone new and even better for them comes along. A good woman wouldn’t ask them to.
The dilema I’m having though, is how much paying should a guy have to do for one mistake, or one failure to understand that his family wasn’t truly looking out for his best interests even if they thought they were? Should a guy, for instance, have to spend the rest of his life celibate because, his wife is a whore? or uninterested in sex?
Should this woman’s desire for him to be sexually exclusive be taken into account if she’s neglectful or exploitive?
On the one hand, I have little sympathy, but on the other, I understand that independent thinkers are stubborn and often have to learn things the hard way…but they do learn. When they do, what is a proper course of action for an alpha male who finds himself with kids by a hoe, or with someone who isn’t interested in sex at all? Should the guy who was chasing hot rather than good be punished with being shunned, like the woman who was chasing assholes instead of good stable men?
It’s a dilema…and currently, if I’m erring, it’s on the side of “nobody’s bitch”.
Still, in the long run, it may be better to be the bitch of a man than the queen of a pussy. I don’t know.
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Kthulah: From what people have said to me at medical school, I can have a strong personality. I can also be as quiet as a mouse. You say and do what you have to to get things done but I like to enable people rather than bulldoze over them whenever possible. I only take over when it’s needed, not as a default. It’s a team and we need to all be able to work together competently, gentle leading or none at all helps that. Thanks for the plethora of implied praise.
I don’t honestly view myself as that strong. I’m growing up: two steps forward, one step back. I do notice that the more independent and confident I was, the less I could tolerate “weakness”.
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Kthulah: Queen of a pussy <– I felt abusive, hated him and hated myself. Don’t do it.
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lovelysexybeauty: Have looked at a post or two over at your blog. Looking forward to your thoughts. I can feel things a bit too keenly, because that is the explanation I have for needing to air out the dirty laundry. As it were. I don’t see some of the things I say talked about much. Probably because of the dire consequences, the taboo or people who go through the same thing just being somehow at piece with it. However: I have to examine the wounds thoroughly before I can even think of closing them.
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Obama is being pretty quiet so far about this. I don’t think he wants to hang those scalps too high, after saying he was looking for a better way than being a cowboy like GB.
I am glad he allowed deadly force, but, let’s see how he follows up on this. I wonder if he will put medals on the commander or the snipers? Will he announce a get tough policy with those pirates or will he try to build bridges? Let’s hope he doesn’t want to give foreign aid to those people are give them US visas.
I agree with the use of overwhelming force against these lawless people. Maybe they will agree to have a govt if they need protection from the countries they are currently attacking.
This silly talk of facing down men with guns from some people on this forum. Who thinks fighting these thugs requires backstreet heroics. High explosive should do the job very nicely. Sinking every small boat with armed men would require no risk, except to the pirates, etc.
Imagine this. A world where pirates are afraid of the honest seafaring nations. I can.
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Ah, Bhetti, you will not die: it was not poison. Besides, you seem like the most virginal human female I have ever encountered.
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Bhetti, I’ve been in the examination phase. Overanalyzing is a good way of stalling change. In my opinion, it’s best to let go and trust the brain and intuition nature blessed you with.
It’s likely not your judgement that is suffering. It’s your fear overriding your judgement that is the problem.
I feared being perceived as just another Black woman with a bad attitude. I feared being alone. I feared being vulnerable. I feared so many things that I had no need to fear.
For years, I went ass backwards trying not to get hurt, and ended up getting hurt worse than I’d ever dreamed.
When I stopped fearing the crap that I had no need to fear, and just lived…not think too much about how I was going to live, but just lived, my life cleared of drama, and no new drama has been created since. I’m a much happier and much much healthier person for it.
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obama didn’t order the strike. The commander in situ did. Big difference.
Somalians are his coethnics, more so than american blacks.
I wonder why this place has plenty of black, arabian women, when they are not our targets. No white or asian chicks here.
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I do believe it is a phenomenon spandrell. Why are you woman drawn to a pua site any thoughts?
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Better question what made you actually post on the site?
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re: the pirates … must be their white features!
… nothing there that could incriminate me against holding a future office… grammatically, that is!
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Roissy: “Have you stopped referring to girls as “bitches” and “dirty whores”? ”
LOL!
No. No, I haven’t.
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apologies where necessary to all interested parties; i am fucked up now. here’s a hot track to sober up with:
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Whats up cannon check the track I left on beta of the year.
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gregi: i googled it last night with no results!! did you cook it up yourself, you svelte poet? very alpha!
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send it somewhere make cash lol i can run those all day
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Gregi and G; fine custom suits are the shizz. Saville the shizz of the shizz. Kinda overpriced, but now is a good time to buy. I have a couple of pairs of tweed jodphurs from Gieves & Hawkes that lubricate vaginas at 20 paces. Underappreciated look: equestrian or British country with jackboots.
Lol, Somalis. If you African fellas want to be proud of your African soul brothers, look no farther than to the immediate north. The Eritreans are bad to the bone. If Obama had any brains at all, he’d hire Afewerki to slaughter the Somali pirates. Eritreans are awesome people. Hard working and badass; they are like the Prussians of the Horn of Africa. Somali skinnies don’t stand a chance against ’em. Of course, real warriors, like the SAS, Seals or Gurkhas could mop the deck with the entire nation of Somalia, who are nothing more than savage rabble.
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All the hard talk from behind the very safe confines of a computer screen are most interesting. And I note the ones talking the hardest ain’t got a lick of actual combat experience or actually lived in the heart of America’s inner cities, or comparable places around the world. Funny that.
Somalia’s current piracy problem is a symptom of a larger problem, and we all know it needs a clean sweep. If you really bout it bout it, you’d be hankering for us to go in and do an Iraq/Afghanistan type deal. But you’re not. Funny that.
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Godless Capitalist,
gc and Malloy were my favourite posters. Greg Cochran is an excellent alternative for gc but doesn’t post all that much.
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“a hopeless task in general — after several fruitless attempts with several different long-term women, I have decided once and for all that discussing abstract ideas with your girlfriend is a waste of time. Abstraction is not the recommended conversation topic, fluffy bunnies and goddamn baby showers are. Oh well, as long as the apartment smells nice.”
I’m seriously considering adding this quote to my favourite quotes on my facebook.
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my first post should read:
“gc and Malloy were my favourite posters. Greg Cochran is an excellent alternative for gc but doesn’t post all that much.”
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Please, no more talk of US military special operations. Listening to you all argue over it is like watching retards humping a doorknob.
Carry on.
-Signed,
A guy in Special Operations.
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I don’t think being an asshole is especially susceptible to backsliding; it might be if you’re not a real asshole by nature. Instead I think you first forget whatever was the most difficult for you.
I also think it’s entirely possible that Gates is just a low-testosterone nerd who’s not very interested in women or sex at all, so he never made any effort and just married whoever happened to be conveniently there. He probably could do reasonably well, he just made close to zero mating effort.
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If you really bout it bout it, you’d be hankering for us to go in and do an Iraq/Afghanistan type deal. But you’re not.
The Royal Navy didn’t stop piracy in the 19th century by “nation building” a la Iraq and Afghanistan. They stopped it with “drive-by shootings”. Take, sink, burn, and destroy pirate ships. Publicly hang pirates at Execution Dock, leave their tarred corpses swinging in chains as an example to others. Repeat as necessary. There is no reason this approach wouldn’t work in Somalia and other pirate-infested waters.
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is she totally unaware of the magical powers of the plunger herself?
Wrong attitude. Marriage is among other thigns a deal wherein stuff around the house works and is in top shape, and as far as she’s concerned, it just happens magically so.
On the other hand, also magically, you always have a row of pressed shirts in the closet and a packed lunch for work.
Besides, girls never clog up toilets because girls don’t poop.
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Hey Roissy,
Comical. Yes, its true. This man has no dick. But…C’mon
“Have you stopped referring to girls as “bitches” and “dirty whores”?” Really?!? In what context? As a mind set or whispered lovingly in their ears during a fun romp? There is a tremendous difference.
Women are a different breed than men, and I enjoy the Alpha take because there is truth to it, but misogyny? Your Game will fail more quickly than the Herb spiral you wrote above with that kind of animosity.
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Tarl – There is no reason this approach wouldn’t work in Somalia and other pirate-infested waters.
True but in this media age the slaughter needs to be done as quietly as possible.
No nation building, no big explosions. Just sustained terminating of pirates. Find ’em, kill ’em and move on.
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Oh, btw, Kill all the pirates, without a punitive, distructive measure, those boys with keep coming back. They are living in a state of pure desperation.
As far as gun point robbery? Are you even kidding that you would go for the can of whoop-ass? Just hand over your goods and walk away. I’ve been robbed at gun point (at Grand Central in NYC waiting for my train…6pm commuting time), and am happy I only lost my purse and its contents.
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Advice needed
Amogs can be a turn on if you are the offended part. They are turned on just like women, but instead of attraction they hatred for men whose alpha behaviour attracts girls even though amogs are usually much bigger/stronger.
Assholeness cannot be used against men unless it is used against you first. It is the major difference between alphaness in the workplace and alphaness in night clubs. If you ignore lines to get drinks/in the bathroom and so on, you will offend men. Being an asshole to men in this sense is being an amog yourself.
Amogs tend to confuse what attracts females by what attracts males. SO they tend to be big/strong because they think girls are also turned on solely by physical appearance and get frustrated when skinny guys score chicks. Also, I think that any girl realizes that the amount of gyn time necessary tpo become “big” is a certain indicator of lack of intimacy with females. Big guys also have other problem: the more weight the girl gives to the guys appearance, relative to other characteristics, the sluttier she is. So she’ll probably cheat him with another big guy thus reinforcing in him the idea that you need to be strong, and only strong, to score.
Lastly, become a friend of bouncers, what requires you to be a regular in a few places. Girls and amogs will see you talikng to the bouncer and will be both turned on, but amogs will be afraid to amog you after that. And if the SHTF and you start a fight, remember that it will take very little time, from 30 to 60 seconds, until the bouncers reach you and stop the fight. If the guy is much bigger, CLINCH HIM. Clinch him and go to the floor. A begginers’ level knowledge of brazilian jiu-jitsu is fantastic at this time. Just google it and see some pictures and go practice it at home. The golden rule of fighting is: avoid at all costs fighting when there is no one around to stop it after a few minutes. If the fight lasts for 5 minutes, chance is that at least one of you will be seriously/critically injured. Either you go the hospital or to jail.
PS: knowing the bouncers and avoiding being an asshole to men is enough to avoid being banned from a night club where you fought, unless it is a G like place, the coolest place in town. Don’t screw with the bouncers by going to the same place a week later.
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Hey Tarl, go back to watching Pirates of the Carribean. This ain’t the 19th century, lol, and truth be told, we have a pretty good nation-building past-Germany and Japan, anyone?
Again: you guys, oh so Alpha that you are, are only nibbling round the edges of the problem; the problem is that Somalia needs a clean sweep, and we’re the ONLY country that can do it. Not only that but the local Al-Qaeda group there fired on a US Congressman just the other day, and then claimed full responsibility for it. An act of war if there ever was one.
So, we all know what needs to be done-start out by mopping up the Somali coastline, go inland and clean house wrt Al-Qaeda, get rid of any sympathizers in what is left of its govt, and install a pro-American govt with a puppet leader who will do as we ask, and use Somalia as a strategic base of ops for the foreseeable future. This will frustrate AQ’s plans to reach further into Africa, deny them a runaway place to go to as we turn the heat up in Pakistan/Afghanistan, and send a message to anyone else that we’re serious about this anti-terrorism thing.
Any questions?
O
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Cannon’s Canon
I would like to sarge with you and talk about issues that roissy blogs on.
i live in BK off of the F line as well- i am relatively new to game and i am trying to increase my skill set.
No one that i currently know understands game and none of them want to improve.
In short I would love to gain a new friend or a wingman that is interested in game.
You seem to have pointed ideas on game and women- I would love to grab a pint and discuss with you.
Anyone else in Brooklyn that would like to join is welcome as well.
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Just in case anyone takes O’s shit seriously; Japan and Germany were already built nations. America just scared the shit out of them so they’d stay quiet.
And blacks are just not capable of building nations, nor having them built. The Eritrean example sounds cool, but let’s see how long it lasts.
Guys should flirt with girls anyway, if you succeed, more pussy for you, if you fail, you’ll appreciate your girlfriend more. Just being loyal and nice makes you boring.
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In case anyone takes Spastic Spandrell’s crap seriously, consider the fact that the USA bombed both Germany and Japan back into the Stone Age, especially in the case of the latter, and thru the Marshall Plan literally rebuilt most of Europe and Japan into the societies they are today. WE gave em their constitutions, WE made sure they couldn’t re-arm, and WE setup bases there so we could keep an eye on em, which still exists to this day. Hmm.
As for Africa, again, don’t believe the hype. There are countries in Africa that are relatively peaceful and stable, I’ve mentioned two before, Spandrella mustve missed them: Ghana and Senegal. Eritrea is the newbie on the block, though if they can get their act together wrt Ethiopia they might make it too. I for one am pullin for em.
As for Spandrell’s sage advice on the ladies, I’d take it w/a brick of salt, given his oh so keen insights mentioned just before it.
O
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roissy,
i discovered your blog semi recently and i am hooked.
i am a classic beta that is trying to improve.
As you post- once i discovered that women were mostly callous, and everything i had learned on how to court women was rubbish- i became deeply distraught.
Sometimes I still can’t believe (or don’t want to believe) that women are as bad as you write- but as the evidence mounts I face an ugly reality.
NYC women are battle hardened- and I was a gnat before I discovered game (IE the truth) can work.
Every fiber of my body wants to reject game- but as I begin to use it (mostly incongruently) I see that it works! And I become even more dismayed than I was before.
If I may say- I don’t entirely agree with all of your conclusions.
In particular:
I don’t think all large city dwelling city (career) women over the age of 28 are worthless shills.
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BK,
Question,
Why not relocate to a state where the Women aren’t as “battelhardened”? Like say, Kansas, or North Dakota, or Utah? Just curious.
O
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Every fiber of my body wants to reject game
I know the feeling. When I first started picking up on Game I was wary of it because if my suspicion that Game is a fly-by-night snake oil with cynical half-truths.
However, if you go back to older movies or literature, stuff that existed before Game came about, you’ll see that its principles were well in play. Universally, women love men who are a confident, self-controlled, and a tough nut to crack.
I don’t think all large city dwelling city (career) women over the age of 28 are worthless shills.
The risk you run with getting LTR-involved with women over 25 is that they have a history of being with a guy or two who will overshadow any future guy. Also, women bond best in their early 20s. Barring inexperienced (usually religious) girls, it’s a good idea to avoid marrying a woman you meet who is over 25. Chances are you’ll never be “the one” for her, just “next.”
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PA,
I’m sorry, but this idea about Women not being able to “bond” if she’s had too many guys and/or is “too old”…I just haven’t seen it in my personal experience. I’ve dated many Women, for extended periods of time, overthe age of 30, who weren’t Holy Rollers, and did just fine. Maybe that’s another racial quirk? I don’t know, but you don’t hear Brothas speaking about this, if at all, as much as I hear my White brothers do.
Hmm…
But ar any rate, again my question stands: if the Women on the coasts are so “battlehardened”, why not pull up stakes and go to where there’s less of a hassle? Wassup wit dat? Seems to me that for at least some of the guys here, there’s a serious case of cognitive dissonance at work.
Comments?
O
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no way is pussy worth moving for – pulling up stakes.
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Firepower,
Why not? It aint like people haven’t relocated for the express purpose of better pickins on the relationship market, don’t you know. It’s happened before. I personally just think the real deal is a lot of guys here just want to be able to crack the code to thenmore sluttier gals that proliferate on the coastal cities, because they know good and darned well they have no intention whatsoever to “do the right thing” which is what is a lot more likely to happen were you to find yourself in Wyoming or Utah than Cali or NY. That’s cool, but then don’t bellyache so much about it. Accept it as part of the cost of doing biz.
O
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I’m not ready to leave.
As Sinatra said:
if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.
The irony of NYC is- most women that you meet here are actually from the heartland.
Once they arrive- they assume this shield- this persona, they begin to act in a certain way that they believe NYC women should act. They act in ways that they never did back home- they try to become more NY than even the natives.
Only the best, the brightest, and the bitchiest women from around the country move to the NYC.
Thank Annie Hall and all pop culture that came after for the massive influx of alpha women that have moved here to (NYC) conquer.
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Uh oh, now the rationalizations come out.
Hey, no sweat off my back, man. Its whatever. Personally, I’m fascinated by Whites will get outta Dodge in a heartbeat on the one hand (fear of Black and/or Brown folks) yet try to do their darndest to hang on to some if those very same urban centers in an attempt to capitalize on freed up sluttified pussy. Fascinating.
O
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Roissy, this post is exactly what I needed today. I’ve spent this last semester preparing for my prelim and shirking anything unrelated to physics. I passed my prelim yesterday, knocked it out of the park really, but now I need to get back in the game. My confidence is still running high, but my pickup technique is rusty as hell.
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^^^
Hit it right on the head, the culture of entitlement is upon us. The coastal women want the right to get rich, good-looking alphas, men want the right to a harem of maxim models that have traditional morals with every other man but themselves.
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Benito,
See, I have no problem w/any Man’s motivations, so long as he’s clear and upfront about it. Roissy, for example, makes it very clear that he’s a friend to the slutty female, for he has no intention of “doing the right thing” them; he wants to sex them and call it a day, and I can’t knock if the ladies go along with their consent. Fair game.
What I have a real problem with, is the guys who refuse to growup-adults realize you can’t get all things in a person. The supa hottie comes at a price, so does the nicer cornfed gal. You gotta pick your poison carefully.
If you’re that fed up w/the skanks and sluts of the coasts, there’s Fargo. Like I said before, it ain’t like people haven’t moved elsewhere for better chances in finding love; and we all know good and darned well that White folk don’t have any problem pulling up stakes at the mere mention of a Black face being seen in the hood on the regular. So I ain’t trying to hear the rationalizations.
Man up and lay in the bed you make.
The End.
O
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I’ve been in a LTR for five years now, and I’d say my game has improved vastly in that time. Everything I learn, I have either applied to general social situations, ‘harmless’ flirting, or the LTR itself. I actively try to integrate the things I learn, and say ‘how can I use this to make my LTR what I want it to be?’
That said, I was a ‘newbie with confidence but no training’ in the beginning, so there was a lot of room for improvement. But there was a lot of room for degradation as well; had I not put forth effort, I might have become a brow-beaten beta like so many others.
Most of my skills have been tuned toward keeping and maintaining a healthy LTR because of this situation. I am definitely not a master at picking up fresh meat, at least not at the moment; but I do watch, listen, learn, and interact. I use my LTR as social proof to see the effect; I tease and neg others occasionally, and have become fairly comfortable with kino (on others, in the presence of my LTR.) If I had to start over from scratch, the water would be cold for a while, but I would quickly get used to it.
I think a guitar analogy makes a lot of sense here: for a guitarist who has only ever played 1970’s era oldies, switching to modern heavy metal will not be painless. But it will be substantially easier than having to learn to play from scratch.
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Obsidian,
Game should enable me to enter an enjoyable union with a woman.
By using game I am trying to moving up the ladder- trying to go after what I want in order to create a healthy relationship.
I have had a few LTR- at the end of the day I didn’t give the women what they needed (wanted) because they weren’t pretty enough (they were average looks- high intelligence).
Now I understand even though I didn’t entirely love ( I loved but was not in love) with these women, they stayed with me because I was using game on them without even knowing it- they accepted the fact that I didn’t love them as other betas had- and they thought if they stayed with me they could change that. Instead of dumping me they wanted me more the less I cared about them.
As soon a pretty girl walks into my world I turn beta- and they want nothing to do with me.
I have this horrible tendency to fall head over heels with attractive women. This stems from a young age- beautiful women move me and stir my heart (not just my loins) immediately.
This unhealthy habit (weakness) that I have needs to be eradiated.
There are plenty of single women in NYC. There is no shortage but they all seem to fuck the same alpha men, and then proceed to get dumped by them- while they wait for the next one to come and the cycle to begin anew.
In the meantime (while they wait for the next alpha) they fake date, destroy / manipulate ridicule / belittle and dump countless betas.
Dr. Paul has spoken of the health hazards of some many young American males that can’t date or enter into relationships with single women. Many therapists have come to the conclusion that the millions of World of warcraft playing dateless discouraged males may become a violent threat to future of this nation.
What men have been taught as far as dating and courting women is criminally wrong- and once males realizes this they become angry or depressed beyond belief- some males become so disillusion and angry they swear off of women forever!
I have seen it first hand- it is abhorrent.
I feel for these men- I myself refuse to give up- and that alone is the one reason I have actually gotten laid.
If I had given up I probably would have killed myself as a virgin in my early twenties.
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“”””””””””PA
Besides, girls never clog up toilets because girls don’t poop.”””””‘
I think I would have to agree I would like to agree with that.
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Don’t worry game in bk the gamers will win. Ony day it will be cool to be able to kill 300 an hour.
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@ Obsidian
Valid points though I would argue the young women are upfront about what they are looking for these days. The problem is both sides don’t like what they hear because they deserve whatever because they are “special”.
I am perplexed at how the same educational dogma which turned menacing vikings into techie moguls and swashbuckling investment bankers gave us this.
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[quote]There are plenty of single women in NYC. There is no shortage but they all seem to fuck the same alpha men, and then proceed to get dumped by them- while they wait for the next one to come and the cycle to begin anew[/quote]
This is the natural state all societies start from without the intervention of the state and religion.
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Hey Tarl, go back to watching Pirates of the Carribean. This ain’t the 19th century, lol,
That is unfortunate! The 19th century was a lot more civilized, and on the whole less violent, than the 20th and 21st. Hang thieves and pirates, you get less of ’em. Stand around wringing your hands about the “rights” of scum instead of killing them, you get more of ’em.
and truth be told, we have a pretty good nation-building past-Germany and Japan, anyone?
Rebuilding nations that were very recently first class, fully functioning nations is one thing. Rebuilding “nations” that have never really been nations – and in fact never will be – is another thing entirely. Drawing a border around the likes of Afghanistan and Somalia doesn’t make them nations. They have always been broken, and always will be, and it is not in our power to fix them.
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Every fiber of my body wants to reject game
I refuse to kneel before Zod. I like being a beta. 🙂
In the meantime (while they wait for the next alpha) they fake date, destroy / manipulate ridicule / belittle and dump countless betas.
If you’re dumb enough to date women when you’re a beta, then you deserve to be manipulated and ridiculed.
The risk you run with getting LTR-involved with women over 25 is that they have a history of being with a guy or two who will overshadow any future guy.
That presumes that they haven’t met any alphas in high school or college. Girls who haven’t been around alphas at any point in their life tend to be the ugly type that nobody wants.
Also, women bond best in their early 20s.
Yet somehow, I’ve always felt that the idea was to have somebody who is close to your age due to similar social experiences in the age cohort.
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Tarl –
Yeah I agree, leaving off the public execution part probably, given unfortunate modern sensibilities around the world and particularly in Europe. I don’t agree with them but they are what we have.
The ship destroying part though is just what I’ve advocated. You’re right, it works. Oh, and if we sink a bunch of pirates with them, boo hoo.
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Chuck said:
I think Obama’s actions did not “shows balls” but were the minimum he could do politically.
From the New York Times: (bolding is mine)
First notice that Obama did not proactively authorize force but apparently had to be asked twice by the military. Second, he authorized force ONLY if the captain’s life was in imminent danger.
To understand why his authorization was the MINIMUM politically acceptable option, consider if he hadn’t authorized force at all. Captain Phillips was a great hero whose voluntary surrender to the pirates resulted in freedom for his crew and ship, so if he’d been killed by the pirates while the military stood by helpless, bound by denial of Presidential permission, anonymous sources (and a subsequent investigation) would’ve leaked EXACTLY why the military was helpless, resulting in a firestorm of outrage.
Different arguments can be made for what level of force he should have authorized based on various factors, e.g.
1) Thanks to the Diversity and Refugee Industrial Complex, we have at least a few hundred thousands of Somalians living in America with more of them being sworn in as citizens all the time and lots of anchor babies, which opens us to terrorist reprisals if we’re too harsh.
2) Piracy has been too profitable for too long to be solved quickly or easily, and they currently hold hundreds of hostages from other nations. It will take major policy changes and serious efforts to stop the piracy.
3) Somalia is a broken “country” and almost certainly isn’t fixable any time soon. The US is essentially broke (in a different way) and can’t continue getting entangled in grandiose nation building where we really don’t understand the local people.
So perhaps Obama’s level of force authorization was appropriate given longer term and broader calculations.
But I don’t think you can reasonably argue he was “showing balls” by taking the minimum politically acceptable path.
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Obisidian
I don’t care what Somali needs. Not even a little bit. Neither do the overwhelming majority of Americans, given the history.
What you’re calling for is that we treat Somali like Iraq and Afghanistan. Those countries haven’t been worth it so far as I’m concerned. Somali DEFINITELY isn’t worth it.
Sinking all their pirate boats, sometimes with pirates on board, will do just fine and be vastly cheaper Both the motherships and the high hp outboard engine speedboats. Hole those engines. Oh we my blow up some of their port areas too. But mainly just keep sinking their fleet. It will get expensive for them as their haul goes way down and the need to buy replacement boats goes up.
Yes. How idiotic could you get?
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War is already a parody. I mean the shit is funny. To easy. Now getting a beautiful woman on the other hand to take her panties off because you want her to is the hard part (sometimes).
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Which is why the blog can go on forever all other problems can be solved except the interaction of men and woman.
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Hunger, war, poverty, crime can all be solved. Happiness is the monster in the room.
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Gunny, you’re a weird mix of “inspired” and “deranged.”
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Tarl & Doug,
The 19th century was a lot less violent? Really? Ever heard of Napoleon? The Indian Wars? The Civil War? *shaking head*
And Germany was a mess after WW1, it was part of the reason why Hitler came to power to begin with. Japan was, back then, in no way comparable to the way it is now. Not even close, and there were strident voices back then who said that Japan couldn’t be “rebuilt” for the same reasons you and Doug are whining about Somalia.
Now…
Let’s try this again.
Piracy in Somalia is a symptom of a larger problem. It is the result of a failed state. Al Qaeda has a franchise there. Al Qaeda was directly responsible for some 3K American lives being lost on Sep 11 2001. Therefore, anywhere AQ goes, we need to go, to root them out.
This ain’t about Somalia, this is about US.
We need to clean house because Somalia is strategically important. Period.
If you’re gonna do the job, don’t halfass it. Go all the way.
Or step the buck back.
O
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Yea I guess that is why I never have the problem of my woman not wanting to have sex with me while in a relationship. Life is weird like that.
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The 19th century was a lot less violent? Really? Ever heard of Napoleon? The Indian Wars? The Civil War? *shaking head*
Yes, really. The Napoleonic Wars, the Indian Wars, and the Civil War were puny in death toll compared to WW1, WW2, the Russian Civil War, the Chinese Civil War, the Korean War, the Vietnam Wars (1945-75), the Iran-Iraq War, plus ongoing civil wars in Africa, plus Communist genocides of over 110 million people in the USSR, China, Cambodia, and the lesser Communist regimes. R. J. Rummel puts the 20th century war and genocide death toll at 262 million. The 19th century isn’t even close (and the vast majority of the 19th century war / genocide deaths that did occur were in the Taiping rebellion, so if you weren’t in China in the 1860s, you were pretty safe).
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
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Game in BK:
“Cannon’s Canon
I would like to sarge with you and talk about issues that roissy blogs on. i live in BK off of the F line as well- i am relatively new to game and i am trying to increase my skill set.”
I’m down with it. Want to be the alpha and propose a venue? Thursday afternoon/evening works for me. Otherwise sometime soon.
“No one that i currently know understands game and none of them want to improve.”
Many of my friends appreciate game but haven’t prioritized it for whatever reasons. This frustrates me sometimes, but I suspect that every passionate student of game needs some degree of a “moment of clarity.”
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Tarl,
Agreed, in terms of total body count, yea, the 29th century’s a lot bloodier, but my point still stands in direct contravention to yours: that the 19th century is hardly exemplary of what an enlightened time looks like. Btw, the Civil War remains as the highest number of American servicemen killed in any conflict in its history.
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Obsidian-
Idiotic. All of your uber arrogant el stupido “periods”. Idiotic.
Lots of places are strategically located. That’s why we’ve very recently built a big military base in neighboring Eritrea.
The right way to do the job is efficiently and cheaply.
Sink their pirate boats. Declare that any Somali boat bearing arms is until further notice, subject to summary sinking. Then starting sinking them
If they get back into the game after awhile, resume sinking them. While hauling the Somalis off to Kenya for trial as pirates.
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Germany was a mess after WW1, it was part of the reason why Hitler came to power to begin with. Japan was, back then, in no way comparable to the way it is now.
Germany and Japan were functioning First World states before 1945 with educated populations that were used to being effectively organized economically, socially, and politically. All it took was a little money to get them on their feet again. Somalia and Afghanistan have never been anything but shatholes. Their populations are ignorant savages, and they have never been effectively organized economically, socially, or politically. You can throw money at them all day long and they’ll still be shatholes.
Piracy in Somalia is a symptom of a larger problem. It is the result of a failed state. Al Qaeda has a franchise there. Al Qaeda was directly responsible for some 3K American lives being lost on Sep 11 2001. Therefore, anywhere AQ goes, we need to go, to root them out.
If we have to cure world poverty and world hunger everywhere in the world to beat AQ, we are F**KED because we couldn’t do that even if we wanted to. Fortunately, we don’t need to fix every broken country in the world in order to beat AQ. All we need to do is find the bad guys, kill them, and leave.
The Somalia problem can be solved very easily and cheaply. Rather than trying to turn Somalia into American suburbia (which is impossible), simply kill the pirates wherever they are found, and make it plain to coastal villages that if they harbor pirates, their village and all their boats will be obliterated. Of course we are not going to do this, because we are stupid and the liberals are in charge.
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the 19th century is hardly exemplary of what an enlightened time looks like.
Everything’s relative. We’ll never get rid of war and violence completely, so enlightenment must be measured in terms of how much or how little violence there is. Relative to the times that came before and after it, the 19th century absolutely was enlightened and civilized.
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Obsidian
No, Tarl trounced your ass about the relative lack of violence in the 19th century. You simply didn’t know what you were talking about, but pretended you did your *shaing head*.
That was not your point. That’s your dishonestly made up ex post facto attempt at face saving.
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Doug,
What’s idiotic is you trying to split hairs on the minute details of who did this or that when clearly Obama was in the driver’s seat. Period, oops.
And what’s also idiotic is your refusal to see what everyone else in the world sees, AQ making ready for a power move in a place where there’s no govt to speak of-like Afghanistan was. So, if we’re really serious about cleaning up that area of the world, we all know where to go. Don’t we?
My part to Tarl was that the 19th century was hardly emblematic of the best of what Humanity had to offer, in many ways the 20th century would win out there. I fully and freely conceded his point that in terms of sheer body count the 20th century has the 19th beat, but that doesn’t mean there weren’t horrific and often senseless blooletting going on at the time. I cited numerous documented examples.
I defy you to actually debunk my points about Somalia. Is it not true that AQ has a functioning francise operating out of Mogadishu? Is it not true that AQ has a tendency to setup shop in those countries who have weak or nonexistent govts? Is it not true that the whole piracy issue wouldn’t even exist were it NOT for these circumstances?
Eritrea is irrelevant, so is Kenya, the issue is Somalia and we all know what’s going on there. Clean house.
Period.
Oops.
O
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Obsidian
I already have debunked your points about Somalia. When and if it DOES become an al Quaeda center, then will be the time to deal with that , now when you think it might happen. The best and cheapest way to deal will be to keep on raiding and killing them from net door Eritrea, not occupying that hopeless basket case of a country and nation building it.
Essentially NO Americans want to do that.
We all read what you said about the 19th century and how uniformed you were. None of your backing and filling since can change Tarl’s beat down of you.
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As for Japan, George W Bush himself made the point during one of his speeches justifying his invasion of Iraq-that there were voices back during WW2 who said that the Japanese were incapable of Western style government, etc. And, like he said, the naysayers have been proven wrong.
Oh, and as for the idea that Japan circa 1939 was some world economic power? Uh huh…
From the early 60s, about the time Somalia won its independence from Italy, to the early 90s, it was able to govern and care for itself, so the notion of self government isn’t completely alien. Nor is there a “cheap” way to deal with it either, because failed states are magnets for terrorism, which is our major concern, chiefly in the form of AQ. Which, for the umpteenth time, has a franchise alive and well in Mogadishu, the country’s capital.
Don’t know if we ever did exist in such a world, but we definitely do not live in a world of isolated nation states today. Simply doesn’t work that way, and the dirty little secret is that there ain’t no other country worth a damn that’s gonna stop the Rwandas and the Darfurs and the Iraqs and thw Afghanistans and the Somalias BUT US. Get used to it.
O
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Hardly a beatdown Doug, but whatever.
Anyway, I don’t know if you heard, but AQ’s been in Somalia for quite some while now, at least as far back as 2007, when the Islamic Courts Union pretty much took over the country. Key figures in that group have been fingered to be in league w/OBL. One can conclude, in light of the recent attack on a US Congressman’s airplane as it took off from Mogadishu, that AQ’s ability to mount attacks, even attempted ones, is pretty much all the evidence one needs.
As for whether Americans want to do that or not is an interesting point. A real debate at the national level should ensue-if not us, who, and if not now, when? Because AQ aint goin’ away, Doug. We both know that. And no matter what anyone may have thought about Iraq (and for the record I thought GWB was right to go in), AQ is a clear enemy to us all.
Pirates? Not really.
O
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Cannon’s Canon
damn- i have to meet a girl early on thursday- but if you want to pick a bar on the LES- i can meet you there after i have a drink with this girl.
i am always in the les- Welcome to the johnsons is a good cheap bar.
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Obsidian–
Of course I’ve heard what there is to hear on that subject.
They aren’t al Quaeda. They’re a very loosely affilitated group. As in they too are radical Islamists. So too is a substantial portion of the nation of Pakistan.
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Doug,
Well, then younknow something that Fox News, NPR and the BBC don’t know, because ALL of them report that the group in Somalia at present, is clearly linked to Al Qaeda, and said as much, from their own mouth, the other day when they trie to shoot down a US Congressman’s plane down.
O
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Obsidian-
Linked, yes. Are, no.
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Game in BK:
“damn- i have to meet a girl early on thursday- but if you want to pick a bar on the LES- i can meet you there after i have a drink with this girl.”
Go for the swoop, my man! I’m happy to reschedule. If you really don’t think she’ll keep you out late, what time would work for you? 8ish? 10ish? I’m wide open that night.
“i am always in the les- Welcome to the johnsons is a good cheap bar.”
That sounds fine, and I have drank there before. I won’t run pocket square game on the hipsters though, perhaps some kind of “fashion tee” will be in order.
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As for Japan, George W Bush himself made the point during one of his speeches justifying his invasion of Iraq-that there were voices back during WW2 who said that the Japanese were incapable of Western style government, etc. And, like he said, the naysayers have been proven wrong.
So now your arguments depend on Dubya being right and being an expert on history? Heh heh heh. I myself wouldn’t backstop any of my arguments with a dishonest talking point about past events created to justify a misguided current policy.
Oh, and as for the idea that Japan circa 1939 was some world economic power? Uh huh…
Japan’s GDP in 1939 was roughly equal to that of France, and Japan produced about as much steel as France (which, it must be remembered, was considered a first-class military power in 1939). Over the course of the war, Japan built about half as many aircraft as Britain or the USSR did. The Japanese bit off more than they could chew, but they weren’t the Somalia of their day. They weren’t even the Italians of their day!
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Anyway, I don’t know if you heard, but AQ’s been in Somalia for quite some while now, at least as far back as 2007, when the Islamic Courts Union pretty much took over the country. Key figures in that group have been fingered to be in league w/OBL. One can conclude, in light of the recent attack on a US Congressman’s airplane as it took off from Mogadishu, that AQ’s ability to mount attacks, even attempted ones, is pretty much all the evidence one needs.
This still isn’t an argument to go in and “fix” everything that’s wrong with Somalia. It is an argument to blanket the country with Predator drones and put a Hellfire missile onto those “key figures” in the Islamic Courts Union as well as any AQ members we happen to locate.
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I don’t recall anyone then or now, raving about the vast tech achievements coming out of France, Tarl.
And whether you agre w/Bush’s policies or not, his point-that a non-White, non-Western country was deemed unfit and incapable of being able to adopt Western values-was proven wrong. That was his point, and I say, that Somalia is no different. Again, they were self governing for roughly 30 years, a blink in the eye of both France and Japan, and did a fairly good job of it, considering they were climbing out from colonialism of Italy.
O
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Doug,
I see you like splitting hairs. OK then, AQ as I’m sure you know, means “the base” in Arabic, namely a database of Men around the around who are league w/OBL’s cause. So, Abu Sayyaf, and Jemmah Islamiyyah, out of the Philippines and Indonesia respectively, are groups clearly associated with AQ.
The group in Somalia is no different.
There’s no getting around this, Doug. No doing this on the cheap. Clean house.
O
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Obsidian
There is a simple and effective way to deal with the barbarians. The chinese call it “chinese wall”. The romans did the same in hadrian’s time and called it “hadrian’s wall”. No nation building in Mongolia or Scotland. Separate civilization and barbarism.
If barbarians have fleets, the US Navy in the XVIII century have shown what should be done. Bomb or burn the pirates’ ports and neighbouring villages. Let AQ be in SOmalia. Bad luck for somalis, but as long as the pirates’ ship are sunk as soon as they leave their ports, and as long as those ports are bombed once a ship leaves, AQ can stay there forever. You can talk about the toughness, willingness to die and all you want about the holy warriors of the horn of Africa, but as long as they do not have airplanes and aircraft carriers, the civilyzed world can contain them easily.
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also, the romans and chinese didn’t find it “colorful” and “vibrant” to let the barbarians pass the walls as long as they were unarmed.
Keep somali ships out of the sea and somali people out of the US. They can even worship OBL as the sun-God himself that it won’t matter for us
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Gig,
Sorry to disabuse you of any notions of the past, but OBL & Co have more than proven themselves to be quite resourceful in some of the harshest locals on the face of this Earth. Gotta do it on the ground, boots on the ground. Gotta clean house and help em install a functioning govt. Because we all know what failed states leads to.
We all know what really needs to be done. Doug hit the nail on the head: do Americans have the Will?
O
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Update:
Somali pirates hijack 4 more ships 60 hostages.
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“”””””””AP After a lull at the beginning of the year because of rough seas, the pirates since the end of February have attacked 78 ships, hijacked 19 of them and hold 16 vessels with more than 300 hostages from a dozen or so countries.””””””””
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BK, one of the best things you can do for yourself right now is to learn what real beauty is.
The fact that you don’t know what it is, is why you turn beta around “beautiful” women, and why you don’t think that “career women” over 28ish are generally romantically useless to a man who’s not a sucker for pain.
Mind you, this is coming from an older woman who is not and never was a beauty queen. I’m just not as fond of illusions as most women seem to be since every truly and purely joyful moment in my life thusfar, has been the direct result of brutal reality being…um…brutal and real.
Hot is a dancer who has put some years into learning to work a pole, do vertical and horizontal figure 8’s, or eagle split across two chairs and still do snake arms.
Hot is a sweet 17 year old girl who doesn’t feel compelled to dress like a hoe or wear alot of makeup because she’s been assured all her life that she doesn’t need it as much as she needs good posture and more vegetables.
Hot is the blush of a 60 year old woman when her husband pats her on the ass because she is the grand mistress of waffle making.
Hot is not the washed up, strung out, ass faced, early wrinkling prunes stretched over bones that most so-called hot chicks think they are today because dumbasses who wouldn’t know shit from shinola worship them. There a very few women in Hollywood or on runways who are truly hot. So women who emulate that image are actually defeminizing themselves.
…and the roots of why are in feminism. The whole super-skinny thing as well as the delayed breeding that makes women think they should look like they’ve never had children even when they have.
You must deprogram.
What your grandad thought was hot is hot. What your grandma probably looked like when she was 16-25 is hot. What she looked like, if she was happy, when she was 28 is the dignified 28 year old level of hot.
My grandmother worked and was never a harpy. Her sister who was single until she was almost 40 was a “career woman”, but not like the “career women” today. She was an “old maid” with some damned sense who kept herself well, was assertive but polite, and helped her sister with her kids. Alot of “career women” today barely speak to their siblings’ kids, much less make sure to have extra rooms for regular weekend visits and spendings of summers.
Basically, for a man, a woman who’s hot should be one who takes good care of herself, and who wants a family and is involved in her family if it’s at all possible. Why guys chase and idealize women who are basically functioning not even on the nurturing level of butch Lesbians is beyond me.
The Lesbian ideal is not made to include a man in her life. So you’ve got to stop thinking of that ideal as hot, and get back to nature.
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Nicole,
I *heard that*!
Thank you.
O
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Obsidian, well, I just figure that a crucial step in learning to be the man around women is learning what a real woman is…both wife types and hoe types. Once a guy knows what he’s dealing with, there is no confusion about how to approach and what to do once one acquires their target.
Ah…speaking of which, you asked me earlier about subspace from a woman’s perspective.
To get that out of a woman, she basically has to trust you with her life. It doesn’t need to be within the context of explicit BDSM, and in my opinion, it’s how every woman should feel with her man sometimes. I’d even venture that a man should feel that way with his woman sometimes, though unless he’s sub, it should be in a more psychological than physical sense.
A guy should be able to feel that his heart is safe in her hands. A woman should be able to feel that her heart and her body is safe in his hands.
I say this should be a sometimes thing because it’s not a good idea to take anyone for granted. Nobody should be totally blind, but at least sometimes people need to do things to reestablish the irrational side of the bonding between them…the deathgrip suicidal crazy mad part.
One should take care who one pulls this out of though, as someone who isn’t familiar with BDSM, and doesn’t know how to block the pattern, will fall in love. So I wouldn’t do this with anyone you don’t own or aren’t pursuing a serious relationship with.
…because if you pull that out of a woman, but you don’t follow up with the appropriate level of attentiveness and possessiveness, and indeed alphaness, she will feel confused and let down. Even if consciously she understands that you’re not in a relationship, she’ll feel that you used her more than if you kept things at a safe emotional distance.
I’m not one for illusions or denial. It is a power that men have over women that is as potentially destructive as the power that women have over men. Use it wisely. If you know how to get there with someone, don’t just do it because you can.
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Nicole,
Duly noted. Thank you.
O
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The blacks who post here get scared when they realize how much better whites are at war and killing than blacks, and how we are surely headed for a race war.
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I think blacks are scared that the white man will be replaced by someone else and no one else will treat them as well.
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I think that is what makes obsid legitly concerned for the white mans breeding habbits
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White people have to defend themselves but i think a lot are like yea bring it on we get to be a minority yeeee haaaaa. We will have a challenge to overcome that might be worthy of us.
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Mark in Ark The blacks who post here get scared when they realize how much better whites are at war and killing than blacks, and how we are surely headed for a race war.
First, I need you to get a woman. Then maybe you can kill what’s between her legs. You are a chow waiting to happen. Spend less time being bitter and hateful and you will soon get a woman, maybe not a 10 but they are few and far between anyway. Screw what your friends think of her, as long as she makes you happy that’s all that matters.
Two, I’m saddened by how much some of the males here like violence. It’s the reason is the way that it is. Imagine if we could get rid of all of the warmongers like you but keep the intellectual geniuses males like Bill Gates etc…
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Chic,
LOL @ your (rightful) clowning of Mark in Ark
O
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chic I think mark was trying to be sarcastic
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I don’t recall anyone then or now, raving about the vast tech achievements coming out of France, Tarl.
So what? They were a respected economic and military power in 1939. So was Japan.
And whether you agre w/Bush’s policies or not, his point-that a non-White, non-Western country was deemed unfit and incapable of being able to adopt Western values-was proven wrong.
I don’t actually accept that this was the consensus about Japan before 1945. I think Bush was just making shat up when he said that in order to justify a bad idea.
That was his point, and I say, that Somalia is no different. Again, they were self governing for roughly 30 years, a blink in the eye of both France and Japan, and did a fairly good job of it, considering they were climbing out from colonialism of Italy.
The idea that Somalia now is in the same position as Japan in 1945 is absurd. Somalia has never had an industrial economy or a military capable of taking on a Great Power. Japan did.
Lots of countries that suck can claim to have been “self governing” for decades. They governed themselves very badly. They were better off under colonial rule.
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@guns-No he wasn’t and Mark was one of the commenters here who has been slinging race stuff about long before Mu even thought about this site. Furthermore, it’s only recently that Mu has begun to challenge a lot of the racist comments being thrown about. BTW, T pointed all of this out the other day. For the life of me I can’t understand why dougjn only attacks MU for the race stuff when there are far more commenters(winks at mark) who post here and say far more inflammatory things.
I could be wrong but I think what MU is really saying to most of the men here concerning the lack of baby making is stop crybabbying about women on the coasts. Either move to parts of the country where you can find a decent girl or enjoy what you can from the coastal girls. To bitch moan and cry about what was,is or could have been is a waste of time. It’s sort of like how agnostic told me if grandma had balls then she would grandpa. The same thing applies to all of this crying because you can’t get an 8+.
Work with what you have and be happy and/or change your soundings to make yourself happy.
I find it interesting that when it comes to money & job status without a moments hesitation, people here will dish out the above but when it comes too women, nobody(-mu) wants to say as much unless someone is so veryyyy uber beta read DA about it.
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I miss the days when there was real thoughtful debate and comments here. Commenters like Eurosaba, T, Vadimer, Chris ,Elizabeth, etc. Even witty crazy Tupac made some interesting points.
*sigh*
I guess the golden age of this blog has gone maybe we will soon have a renaissance 🙂
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I moved to a place where I am the minority not just a minority but the only one. Being a minority is a pretty good gig. Don’t know what all the complaining is about. Every time I have gone to a place where I am a minority woman flock to me.
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I guess the golden age of this blog has gone maybe we will soon have a renaissance
We’ve all come a long way baby.
We’re now at the stage where it is time for you to start licking the tip.
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for Obsidian and Chic Noir. That’s Adriana Lima’s family.
Being from Bahia, the most mixed race state in a very mixed race country, it was obvious that she had some black ancestry. I would guess 10%, with 25% possible. It seems that 25% is an lower bound. By american standards, she could count as black.
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Tarl, I never made the case that Somalia, under Italian rule or after, was a world “power” on a par with late 30s era France or Japan. What I’m saying is that it is possible for the people there to govern themselves in a way more to the liking of the West and the USA. Moreover, it is our best interests that they do so, because they now have sworn enemies of ours within their borders, using that country as aliteral beachhead from which to conduct operations.
So, again: we all know what the root of this problem is, its failed states, which breeds terrorism and general lawlessness. Clean house, we’re the only ones who can.
As soon as we find our balls, that is…
O
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Gig,
My bad I responded to your Lima comments in the Female Photo Submissions thread.
What I said was that yea, I know who she is, but I don’t find her particularly attractive, mainly due to her being too skinny, and my preference for more pure blood Sistas. But you’re right, she’d be considered Black in this country.
O
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I posted in two topics because that’s a picture worth it.
– it proves how a 10 quickly disappears from real life.
– it is cool to have that picture in and HBD post
– my opinion that black girls are unnattractive rests on the fact that Adriana Lima is white with a mostly black family, even though most americans would find the sentence in italics absurd.
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Gig,
I can dig where you’re coming from; although I’ve dated Women of differing races, as a rule, I like Sistas who look like Sistas, even if they’re fairskinned; meaning, first and foremost, they got a Donkey behind em. I know that ain’t the White fellas’ thing, God bless em. But I’m sorry, the vast majority of “hot” models like Lima couldn’t get me hard if they’re life depended on it looking like a pre-teenage girl.
I’m just sayin.
O
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PA
And yet he does not realize that shit testing is an indication of a mental problem. A more sensible person would have gotten divorced a long time ago.
When it comes to LTRs, roissy gives bad advice.
dougjnn
Considering that Bhetti is batshit fucking crazy and very stupid, I don’t think anyone’s going to care how pure she is.
Obsidian
The biggest keyword warrior here is you. You’ve got “trying to act gangsta on the Internet” written all over your posts.
Da_Truth_Hurts
And here’s another keyboard fantasy warrior. I don’t think special forces soldiers are usually in the habit of going everywhere bragging about how they’re badass special forces soldiers.
Obsidian
Japan was already somewhat Westernized. Before the war they went through a Western period (which is also how when they built their army). Just because Japan was rebuilt doesn’t mean Somalia can be rebuilt. It doesn’t work that way.
Al-Qaeda is meaningless. Muslims will continue to spawn terrorists long after Al-Qaeda has turned to dust.
Yes, because all non-Western cultures are exactly the same. No difference at all between Japan and Somalia.
Also, Japan went from an introverted, pre-modern feudal society into a potential superpower in less than a century, so obviously they had no problems with adapting to new things.
It’s Islam that breeds terrorism.
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TokyoJesusFist, is that you? I’d wondered where you’d gotten off to. Nice to see you back.
Anything I say I can back up, TJF. I invite you to see for yourself. You know where to find me. Come and get some.
😉
O
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we all know what the root of this problem is, its failed states, which breeds terrorism and general lawlessness.
The root cause of the problem is not poverty. There are many poor, failed states that do not breed terrorists. The root cause of the problem is political Islam. Even a rich state like Saudi Arabia will generate terrorists (like Osama himself!) if it is under the sway of political Islam. Therefore, “fixing” failed states not only will not solve our terrorism problem, it may actually increase it, since the terrorists will then have access to more resources. (It is, of course, also totally beyond our power to “fix” places like Somalia.)
If the problem is Islam, what do we do? We’re not willing to annihilate it, and it is not in our power to change it. The best approach to this ideological and political nuisance is the same approach used successfully against another ideological and political nuisance (Bolshevism), and that is isolation and containment. It is within our power to do so, the only question is whether our suicidal liberal leaders have the will to do so.
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Obsidian
THere are boyish looking models that look like children. They are the result of gay influence in fashion industry. But there are also models who need to appeal to male sexuality, and Victoria’s Secret cast, who depends on selling lingerie, is a completely different animal.
If you see the fashion weeks around the world, I aggre that most girls are plain or even disgusting. But they still have niches of hot top models, as Victoria’s Secret
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gig, almost all victoria secret models started out as high fashion models. You will be hard pressed to find many VS model who wasn’t first a high fashion model. Lima and Orlando Bloom’s GF are the exception. Funny enough, Lima is now doing more high fashion work.
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it’s amazing the quality of ass Orlando scores.
He must be one helluva guy
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I got to give it to him that girl is very pretty. For once he has a girl who is the better looking of the two. Although, her legs are like sticks. She has the face of a VS model but the body of a 90s’ heroine chic waif model.
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chic
they started as fashion models. the ones who were more sexually appealing went to victoria’s secret. you have a personal jihad against beautiful women, don’t you?
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Gunny
It’s clear as day the Chinese wouldn’t.
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gig, i know about and celebrate beautiful women more than you can ever know about. I can name the current top high fashion models as well as the VS girls off the top of my head. I even posted my own list of beautiful women who are very stunning.
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Gig,
Having a younger sister who worked rather extensively in the fashion world, I’m a bitnmore familar with its comings and goings than the average bear, and I can tell you, that the VS types really don’t do anything for me. Too skinny, too made up, too fake looking, etc. Now, I ain’t hatin’ on anyone else-if that’s your shot, hey, go for it, may God bless ya. But me, I like a Woman who got some meat on her bones and don’t look like a complete stranger to me the morning after.
O
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Obsidian
do you accept the existence of hot top models? would you date any of them?
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Gig,
Yes, I do. Would I date em? Well, I tend to like the so-called plus-sized models and yea, in most cases I’d date them given a choice.
O
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so we agree that:
– the fashion industry is mostly gay
– gays have a different taste in women than straight men
– similar men tend to rate women in a remarkably similar way
– there are hot top models
– guitar bodies are better than ‘lamp-posts” bodies
The day finishes with an agreement about 5 self evident truths or tauthologies
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Tarl,
LOL. This is very interesting, since no one said anythin about poverty, at least not me. What I said was that it is known that a failed state is a breeding ground for terrorist activity, and that’s not just an empty headed theory. One word: Afghanistan.
As for OBL, he was roundly rejected and disown by the Saudis, they had no hand in creating him, and in fact the record shows that the Saudis, as allies of the USA, have hunted down terrorists.
Among the world’s more tha a billion Muslims, many of them are poor, and they manage not to kill themselves or anyone else. Indeed, if anything, thee number one victims of Radical Islamic violence, are other Muslims. To wit: Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, et al.
So, let’s take it from the top:
Somalia is a failed state.
Somalia has a functioning franchise of Al Qaeda operating within its borders.
Just the other day, they fired an RPG on a representative of the USA gov’t-a clear as day act of war.
The problem is Somalia’s current inability to govern itself and by extension, reject said terrorist elements.
Solution: the USA military goes back to Somalia and gets it right this time.
Clean house.
O
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Mu’Min/Obsidian:
Complete stupidity. Somalia isn’t worth it.
Nation build Somalia? PLEASE. Only a tiny part of America is down with that.
Instead wage killing expeditions on Somalia as necessary. Wipe out Islamist camps from the air, etc.
At the moment sink ALL OF THEIR PIRATE BOATS, speedboats with high hp outboards, and mother ships. Don’t worry to much about wailing that they’re “really fishing boats”. Just stink them. Tough shiit. Pirate nation.
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Doug,
Nope. If we’ve learned anything in our war w/AQ, its that there is a limit to hi tech weaponry, which is our huge blindspot as Americans. Gotta do it on the ground, belly to belly, grind it out, war of attrition, Last Man Standing style.
But you’re right about one thing, Doug, which I’m pleased we were able to tease out of our discussion: this all comes down to whether Americans have the stomach to do what needs to be done. Now that the focus is fully on Afghanistan, the base of our sworn enemy, we will soon find out. Its a perfect proving ground for what awaits in Somalia.
O
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I’m becoming a big Kthulah fan, lately.
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Obsidian
Because of internal security. Saudi Arabia is the world’s number one sponsor of Islamic extremism, which is hardly suprising since it is the world’s most extremist Muslim country.
Which is not an indication of anything, since Islamic extremism is not limited to violence. Even so, the amount of violence in the Islamic world is staggering.
It will never work, there’s nothing in it for the USA to attempt it, and with the recession and the existing occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq they do not have the resources to open a third front in Somalia.
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Obsidian
Because of internal security. Saudi Arabia is the world’s number one sponsor of Islamic extremism, which is hardly suprising since it is the world’s most extremist Muslim country.
Which is not an indication of anything, since Islamic extremism is not limited to simple violence. Even so, the amount of violence in the Islamic world is staggering.
It will never work, there’s nothing in it for the USA to attempt it, and with the recession and the existing occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq they do not have the resources to open a third front in Somalia.
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Go back to that shitholt you crawled outta of, you Islamaphobe, TokyoJesusFisted.
O
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Go back to that shithole you crawled out of, you Islamaphobe, TokyoJesusFisted.
O
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There is no such thing as Islamophobia. It’s an imaginary concept.
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Obsidian
“Firepower,
Why not? It aint like people haven’t relocated for the express purpose of better pickins on the relationship market, ”
O, I’d say unless one lives in Buttplug, Arkansas there’s plenty of pussy to keep a man occupied in even the least of towns.
However, I do see the validity of many of your points.
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In response to some things written last night:
I am 31.
PA said:
Yeah, he seems like a decent guy but the bitter tone makes me wonder. If he’s young (teen, early 20s) that it’s just a youthful earnestness and a clumsy attempt to sound forceful. He’ll outgrow it.
But if he’s an older guy (over 30) he needs to rein that in. Like blaming OMW for foreign bride laws. When he feels the bitterness welling, he needs to transform it into humor.
“Be funny like Tupac or Jaakelli” is what he’d need to remind himself before he writes.
PA can call fury ‘bitterness’ if he likes. I’m not looking for a foreign wife at this time. If I did marry a foreign wife, then I would probably move to her country. The law doesn’t effect me.
It seems that PA doesn’t want me to talk about IMBRA because it disturbs him. Since IMBRA bans private non-political non-criminal email between two adults, you should be disturbed. Yes, that means all of you.
As for my tone, it would be nice if people could handle today the quite ordinary sentiments of older times. Yes, ordinary.
Someone else once said:
“And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,”
And I guarantee you every last dollar I have, the man who wrote this, along with other lines you are much more familiar with, reaction to IMBRA would be much, much worse than mine.
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Obsidian
Could you give an example from history of what “doing it right” in another country would be? I am curious about how
any such precedent would relate to present day Somalia.
ImBra
WTF are you talking about? Quit speaking in obscure code-words.
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