MIAMI (Reuters) – Left-wing extremists in the United States are gaining new recruits by exploiting the ennui resulting from 60 years of prosperity and decadence, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report to law enforcement officials.
The April 7 report, which Reuters and other news media obtained on Tuesday, said such fears were driving a resurgence in “recruitment and radicalization activity” by “whiter” supremacist groups, progovernment extremists and egalitarianist movements. It did not identify any by name.
DHS had no specific information about pending violence and said threats had so far been “largely rhetorical.”
But it warned that continuing racial and gender disparities in outcomes, mass consumerism during a prolonged period of peace, and other consequences of contrived intra-white status jockeying intensified by the increasing cognitive stratification of the last 30 years “could create a fertile recruiting environment for left-wing extremists.”
“To the extent that these factors persist, left-wing extremism is likely to grow in sanctimony,” DHS said.
The report warned that college graduates returning from liberal arts schools with degrees in communications, law and women’s studies could be recruitment targets, especially those having trouble finding a purpose in life beyond their IPod playlist or fitting back into a civilian society that still eats factory farmed meat.
The department “is concerned that left-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning graduates in order to boost their finger wagging capabilities,” the report said.
DHS spokeswoman Bulldyke McBulldykerson said on Tuesday the report was one of an ongoing series of threat assessments aimed at “a greater understanding of white elitist radicalization in the U.S.”
A similar assessment of right-wing radicals completed in January was distributed to federal, state and local police agencies at that time, under cover of night on a Friday. It was not reported on by the mainstream media, for fear of stoking a backlash by left-wing radicals.
“These assessments are done all the time, this is nothing unusual,” McBulldykerson insisted.
The Department of Homeland Security was formed in response to the September 11 attacks of 2001 and has focused largely on threats from Islamist extremists.
The report said domestic left-wing terrorist groups steadily grew during the economically prosperous years from 1950 to 2000 but temporarily subsided as the Twin Towers fell into fiery ash and 3,000 Americans died.
Government scrutiny disrupted treasonous plots to revise the U.S. Constitution to better reflect the values of postmodern America following a candlelight vigil for cop killer Mumai Abu-Jamal and covert attempts by business leaders, academics, community organizers, libertarians and residents of all-white gated communities to encourage demographic cleansing through mass population replacement. One such scraggly-bearded academic interviewed on condition of anonymity said after watching the Matrix trilogy, he “joyfully awaited the coming of Zion. Progress demands it. I’ve been practicing my rhythmic dancing to heavy bass beats.”
SINGLE WOMEN
“Despite similarities to the climate of the second half of the 20th century, the threat posed by childless, single women and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years,” the report said.
The entire media complex, government, academia and Macbook owners have made it easier to locate specific targets, communicate with like-minded people and find information on subverting American identity, it said.
Extremist groups are preying on fears that AM talk radio and “off the grid” anonymous bloggers would constrain President Barack Obama, the first mulatto U.S. president, from realizing the dreams from his father to change America into a socialist utopia greased by a perpetual racial spoils system and guaranteed by a demographically dominant Democrat Party for generations to come, the report said.
It said such groups were also exploiting anti-Wrong Kind of White People sentiment with accusations that “a cabal of heartland yokels” had conspired to preserve the diversity of a unique American culture.
“This trend is likely to accelerate if the truth is perceived to be making inroads,” the report said.
“Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.”
– Orwell

Apropos of nothing, a (very limber) child molestor bit off his own tallywhacker.
Peter
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LOL! You know, admittedly Satire isn’t my strong suit; I tend to prefer more straightahead comedy. But you gotta give credit where its due. Good stuff.
O
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chech this out
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AFGHANISTAN?SITE=CAANR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
i dont think once every four days is too much to ask
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Right-wing extremism may be on rise, report says
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/14/extremism.report/
– MPM
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too bad 90% of Americans are too stupid to comprehend satire.
fwiw, Is it satirical to wish for civil war? I’m sure Our American Cousin was a hoot
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Firepower,
Sometimes one doesn’t need to break an atom in order to bust a gut. Have a Coke and a smile, and chill.
O
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G didn’t click the link and reposted the news story inspiring the post. Caught slipping.
Yes, now I’m sure of it. The G has found himself an LTR flygirl.
Happens to even the best of them, G!
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Fighting in the streets between SWPL and extreme-right militias? I don’t know who to cheer for, but I definitely know who to bet on.
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Fighting in the streets between SWPL and far-right militias? I don’t know who to cheer for, but I definitely know who to bet on.
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Another White Person loses it. Damiene Iriarte
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30226391/
Damiene Iriarte, a sex offender(why are whites always like this? why not just stick to holding up grocery stores?), cut off his own penis.
So much for the superiority of the white race.
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This is kinda silly. The article does have a point, and radical left-wingism isn’t really on the rise, though I’ve seen plenty of psycho righties who think our president is an arabic muslim terrorist babykiller who wants to kill every priest and flush their remains down the toilet.
I’m libertarian and right leaning, fwiw.
“The report warned that college graduates returning from liberal arts schools with degrees in communications, law and women’s studies could be recruitment targets, especially those having trouble finding a purpose in life beyond their IPod playlist or fitting back into a civilian society that still eats factory farmed meat.”
made me laugh pretty hard though.
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Throughout the “Bush Year” American was invaded, invaded two countries, tortured “enemy combatants”, expanded the government in ways unseen in decades, allowed for illegal immigration to grow unchecked and presided over the largest, most wide-scale collapse of our financial sector since the great depression – at least that is what the media told me – yet despite it all, I have not felt the unease and malaise that have accompanied the Obama administration assumption of power. It is as if the thought police are on active patrol and I (ie. white, Christian, male) and the target. These are dangerous times when thousands gather in London to protest the G8 summit with masks and banners reading “One Nation, One Currency” without much of a wink of mainstream concern and our DHS has the gall to produce a clearly ideologically bent “report” about the potential for right-wing extremism. Scary times.. scary times indeed.
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WEDNESDAY EDITION.
Another white person loses it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30226391/
Damiene Iriarte, a sex offender, cuts off his own penis.
Why are whites always like this? Why cant they just stick to holding up a grocery store? They just have to be truly sick.
So much for the superiority of the white race
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@ “Fighting in the streets between SWPL and far-right militias? I don’t know who to cheer for, but I definitely know who to bet on.”
Hope they both die and some reasonable people step in?
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Another white person loses it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30226391/
Damiene Iriarte, a sex offender, cuts off his own penis.
He’s probably Hispanic.
Peter
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Hungryand G,
the original report on *right*wing extremism is very specious and has practically no data–it might as well be a post at the dailykos for all the facts it uses to justify a “rise” in right wing terrorism.
The media loves to point out Tim McVeigh and claim right wingers are extremists. They conveniently ignore Bill Ayers, Dohrn, heck every left-leaning student group since 1960.
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Might makes right. How many granola eaters you know have gun racks?
If it comes down to socialist “utopia” of high taxes and fleeing companies, versus the people that actually work 90% of the useful jobs revolting – I’ll take the revolt. It’ll be fun.
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And Hungry, for what its work, Nobama is a babykiller–he is in favor babies being taken alive from their mother’s womb and then killed. He voted for it (or rather, he voted against a measure that would have banned it).
He has no qualms about bowing and licking the feet of foreign powers like a weak woman.
He buddies up to murdering terrorists who are not sorry for murdering and thinks because they blame white people for everything, they are absolved.
He was an affirmative action student at harvard and has no academic accomplishments.
He has no career accomplishments beyond being elected for office.
He is unqualified to be a janitor.
America’s funeral was the day that moronic jerk was inaugurated.
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One such scraggly-bearded academic interviewed on condition of anonymity said after watching the Matrix trilogy, he “joyfully awaited the coming of Zion. Progress demands it. I’ve been practicing my rhythmic dancing to heavy bass beats.”
hehe very funny post.
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chic, who let you out of your feminist education camp?
Back in your hole!
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so lurker like children that’s nice.
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So, Lurker why don’t you tell us all how you REALLY feel about Pres. Obama? LOL!
O
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Funny that you end this post with a quote from Orwell, who, if you read anything else that he has written, or know about his life, would by any modern day definition be considered a “leftist extremist”
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my favorite part was when the media reported that Nobama’s candidacy was fueling a rise in hate groups—-and then could provide no data to prove it. Still can’t.
That’s the problem: what the media assumed was true (white people and right wingers are racist! they love the klan!) is largely unproven here.
Personally, I’m going to the tea party protest tonight at 7pm at City Hall in NYC. I really hope the Daily Show sends one of its mocking left wing reporters to make the protesters seem like kooks and that the left wing viewpoint is the only sane one.
‘Cause then I can hit Ed Helms upside the head with the brick he so richly deserves.
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enjoy your teabaging lurker 🙂
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Here is my poem, that truly expresses my deep love. Hope you enjoy it. What do you guys think?
“Reminiscence”
The camp-man
constipated on cock, can only
inbetween asphyxiated moments of butt-stuffing
hum, in falsetto
the tune of
the distending Hole in grip of peristalsis —
Visions of yellow submarine plowing deep within.
Mating shadows cast
by the grey moon —
Accolades to many nights,
Many pungent nights of cigarrette smokes
twirling in air of frying, hard flesh burning–an intermezzo–
in this chorus of suppressed moans.
We become flaggelating shadows
piston-dancing over celluloid strips of an orange sea
An anthem
to those drips of blood,
ripped condoms, and torn
intestinal lumens.
Late effigies to Ole Cold Grey eyes,
now dead to lust
Over-spent.
I kiss you goodbye, my east-end.
–Lurker, copyright@2009
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lurker:
nobody cares that he is in favor of abortion. kill more for all i care. time for you to switch horses bud.
i can tell you’re from the sean hannity school of right-wing republicanism. repeating the same talking points over and over.
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That poem expresses my love of teabagging.
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Soederpop, he was left-wing, but today he would be absolutely disgusted with the left wing’s tactics and behavior.
During his own time, he changed positions many times, but always harbored a deep suspicion of the epowerful left wing movements of his time (facism and communism), mostly because the leaders either painted their pictures in unrealistic hues or were proven liars.
I expected in the last 8 years some responsible left wingers like Orwell to rise up and metpahorically smackdown the left wing hysteria machine about Bush. I expected the Orwell-like lefties to throw crapheads like Michael Moore, DailyKos, Olbermann, Stewart, etc. out to the wolves and say, “We do not behave like children.”
But the left took the opposite approach; it built itself on such hysterical liars and toads.
Orwell today would probably be a grudging Ron Paul supporter, or maybe a blue dog or libertarian.
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G didn’t click the link and reposted the news story inspiring the post. Caught slipping.
When the G starts slippin, I start set trippin
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The more hate groups, the better. We must free ourselves from the Jews somehow.
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I love sock puppets.
Chuck, you’re right: repeating the truth over and over is very hurtful to Nobama lovers ears. Kindly shave your ginger ass, kid.
enjoy your cat, chic.
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The American Legion released a response to that evil report: “Americans are not the Enemy.”
http://ourvoice.legion.org/story/1543/legion-dhs-americans-are-not-enemy
Reported on the front page of the Washington Times today.
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Roissy keeps us aware of what is important. I wouldn’t know how afraid I should be of hippies and solar flares if it weren’t for him.
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roissy:
this satire would be funny if it weren’t for one thing….right-wing radicals are responsible for *all* of the domestic terrorist plots in recent history.
there is a very real fear, as the real reuters story pointed out, that another timothy mcveigh will come on the scene. eric rudolph and people responsible for abortion clinic bombings and anthrax mailings are other legitimate fears.
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QUESTION OF THE DAY:
My mom’s ass is bent over…who wants to poke it with filthy toilet plunge? while i masturbate on a door knob.
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lurker enjoy your cat, chic.
YOu like to eatkitty lurker?
come on don’t lie.
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“come on don’t lie.”
—no point in lying to feminazis. You’ll just make up what you want to hear anyway. Kind of like dealing with a schizophrenic.
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Here is a picture of me…at the teabagging party…licking all the cow’s testicles. Gotta love it.
With love,
Loser
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“this satire would be funny if it weren’t for one thing….right-wing radicals are responsible for *all* of the domestic terrorist plots in recent history. ”
—Chuck, whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Stop using Tim McVeigh and claiming he is all terrorists. Are you forgetting Weather Underground? Black Panthers? The attacks on the minutemen at Columbia U.? The entire 2004 protests against the RNC in NYC?
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There actually were radical left wing terrorists in America during the sixties. If your are stretching, you could call ecoterrorists “left wing terrorists”. Neither group are increasing their activity due to the current recession. And, neither group did anything comparable to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
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Speaking of teabagging, this is the kind of balls i want in my mouth tonight….
Oh…oh….oh…the excitement! Cant hardly wait!
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Sockpuppetter, please gets some balls, quit acting beta, and argue like a man. Otherwise, you’re just a hipster coward.
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lurker are you for real??? You think I’m a femiazi??? Really ???
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Anonymous,. thank you. eco-terrorists are extremely left wing. And don’t forget PETA, the most conspicuous terrorist organization in the U.S.
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considering you think abortion was always going on in the past, men were constantly cheating on their wives, and paint women as oppressed until the Glorious Revolution of Title IX, yes, you would qualify, nutbag.
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The Virgin Lady – WEDNESDAY EDITION. – Another white person loses it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30226391/
Damiene Iriarte, a sex offender, cuts off his own penis.
Why are whites always like this? Why cant they just stick to holding up a grocery store? They just have to be truly sick.
So much for the superiority of the white race
Well maybe that Latino can become and honorary White man by doing something like that.
Good one. But not nearly as good as this one.
A Texas death-row inmate who plucked out his right eye before his 2004 trial has dug out his left eye and eaten it….He was convicted of fatally stabbing his estranged wife, their young son and her 13-month-old daughter before ripping their hearts out.
Now THAT’S one crazy White man!!
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Lurker of course not every woman had an abortion, not every man beat his wife. That’s not to say that they weren’t happening and women were oppressed if they weren’t given equal rights. Sorry if you don’t like history. I didn’t write it.
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and don’t forget chic…you’re the moron who tried to defend that skank Beyonce as a “lady” while she’s rolling around with trash like Jay-Z. Lay down with dogs….
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lurker:
really? you’re going to try to compare those to mcveigh? mcveigh killed 168 people.
i step with facts and you want to toss it aside for the sake of your argument? you don’t get it that way mom-fucker.
if you claim the 2004 RNC protests as anything close to terrorism, then you’re more stupid than i thought.
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“That’s not to say that they weren’t happening and women were oppressed if they weren’t given equal rights.”
—in extremely small numbers until the feminazis promoted the ideas.
“Sorry if you don’t like history. I didn’t write it.”
—no, feminazis made it up, and you, like a woman, bought it.
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lurker you should read more sources on the Black panthers because you are complety wrong on that score.
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Chuck, don’t step to this, boy.
PETA , Weather Underground, Black Panthers, and eco-terrorists have intimidated and injured far more than McVeigh. You bring up one person and argue its a movement. I bring up a movement and you toss it away like “oh well, here’s one event.”
Facts are stubborn things, son.
“if you claim the 2004 RNC protests as anything close to terrorism,”
—deliberate attempts to disrupt the gathering with threats of violence, deliberate attempts to destory property and attack police—yes, that is terrorism. Just because they disguised it as “protest” doesn’t mean squat.
Eat it, son.
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only a black person would try to defend viscious terrorist gangs like the Panthers as good.
Go back to your free mumia rally, girlfriend.
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Peta throws paint on fur wearing rich women who live on the Upper East Side. You have nothing to worry about my dear.
Beyonce has only been with one man so there is no way she can be a slut. I guess you have a crush on Beyonce so you were broken hearted when she married Jay Z huh?
in extremely small numbers until the feminazis promoted the ideas
There is no way to measure that, we can only go by what we think or tales from our elders.
LOL , Lurker have you been drinking with Gunns?
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Left wingers are doing the biggest terrorist act of all: population replacement and the attendant obliteration of our civilization in western Europe, North America and Australia.
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QUESTION OF THE DAY:
How many teabags can you fit into my mouth?
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“Peta throws paint on fur wearing rich women who live on the Upper East Side.”
—wrong. PETA threatens and often uses violence against animal testers and labs, fur companies, dog fighters (Michael Vick, anyone?) and factory farms. Kindly get your facts straight, kiddo.
“Beyonce has only been with one man so there is no way she can be a slut. ”
—Wow, you really believe that a skank so desperate for fame she’ll troll around in abikini and g-string on stage for men to fap at is some sort of virgin? lol, keep believing her p.r. there, kiddo. i’m sure destiny’s child formed organically, and wasn’t really a controlled, record-company created entity. right.
You know what a woman is really like by the man she is with. she hangs out with trash, she is trash. case closed.
“There is no way to measure that, we can only go by what we think or tales from our elders.”
—translation: I will only believe what the feminazis tell me, because females are always victims. They say it happened a lot, i believe them, for I am nothing but a stupid woman.
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Lurker have you been drinking with Gunns
Knocking a few back with Gunner is something I’d be up for. Sounds like fun.
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chic noir – Lurker of course not every woman had an abortion, not every man beat his wife.
I think the world would be a better place if more women had abortions and more men gave their wives and girlfriends a good smack now and then.
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Lurker, the panthers had beef with the Oakland Police. The police were corrupt. Some of the police would wait outside of the banks and take money from hard working blue collar people.
*Remember, you are anti SWPL so you should have some empathy for the blue-collar worker.*
The police were also fond of brutality. Keep in mind something similar was happening to SC coalmine workers who attempted to strike.
The Panthers fight was not that of Dr. King because Cali was not a segregated state.
Lurker I don’t understand people like you. You figure out a way to bring race into every conversation. Black versus white is bull, it’s the oligarchy and the rest of us. the working class ,middle class aka shuffling debt class and the wealthy of which the oligarchy are apart of. Got it.
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Lurker, the panthers had beef with the Oakland Police
Panthers were small change. Wiki “zebra murders.”
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Off-topic… I thought of a new technique that seemed to work pretty well on the three women I’ve tried it on.
I’ll throw out that I’m listening to my playlist on shuffle (which means random songs), being sure to let them know I have a whopping 12,000 songs on my playlist… and tell them that some random song came on that can express beta feelings. So I’m letting her feel comfortable with me, expressing emotions and feelings, without really doing it.
Two times I posted links to the song (I used the cranberries – linger all three times) and the third time I decided to let her do her own research, and she found a link to the lyrics herself!
I got excellent results with this. It goes with the idea of fate, or “it’s meant to be” and women love plays on this.
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PA,
Since you are a fellow conservative and all, quick question:
Are we going to teabag each other today or what?
Let’s get it on with our black face paint on! weee!!
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PA, now you know the Republicans are/were big on immigration too. Large scale immigration served the interests of their biggest contributors.
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Those Republicans are also the enemy.
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Wow, you really believe that a skank so desperate for fame she’ll troll around in abikini and g-string on stage for men to fap at is some sort of virgin? lol, keep believing her p.r. there, kiddo. i’m sure destiny’s child formed organically, and wasn’t really a controlled, record-company created entity. right
lurker she was with Kelly and other two as a group since she was a kid. her parents controlled her. It’s the reason she hasn’t spun out of control like your girl Lindsey Lohan.
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Cannon’s Canon
“G didn’t click the link and reposted the news story inspiring the post. Caught slipping.”
I read the article last night.
That’s is why I posted it.
No slipping here.
Unless you mean slipping into fly girls.
– MPM
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I said Lurker, the panthers had beef with the Oakland Police
PAPanthers were small change
PA, you orginally said the NOI were Zebra Killers now your saying it was the panthers.
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PA
Those Republicans are also the enemy.
good call. All I ask is that you are fair and call out everyone who has done dirt.
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You get more surreality out of an ordinary conversation with an ordinary person than the above post, frighteningly enough.
I was talking with a upper-middle class family member and he thought it was a great idea to legalize all the illegal immigrants right now! ‘Because then they’d pay taxes’. I pointed out that it was a severe recession and maybe we shouldn’t pour gasoline on the fire. He then told me “but then we’ll stop more illegals from coming in”. This was supposed to give me an excuse to back down because ‘well at least I’m getting something’. I had the extremely bad taste to shoot down his wild hallucination.
I told him the current Federal Government would NEVER stop more illegal immigration if we legalized the ones here now. He looked at me like I killed his mother. No other response, cause really, nobody believes what he said even him.
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chic, being the braindead moron she is:
“Lurker, the panthers had beef with the Oakland Police. The police were corrupt. Some of the police would wait outside of the banks and take money from hard working blue collar people. ”
—so said the Black Panthers. Have you ever heard of Huey Newton? The panthers were about violence to acheive their ends—black superiority. But go on believing Al Sharpton’s history moron/
“The police were also fond of brutality. Keep in mind something similar was happening to SC coalmine workers who attempted to strike. ”
—so dislike police brutality=supporting left wing black terrorists groups? suddenly I’m now in favor of it. Good logic, chic.
“The Panthers fight was not that of Dr. King because Cali was not a segregated state.”
—you stupid lib moron. The panthers we’re not some black defense league, though they painted (and continue to paint) themselves as such, much like the Klan argued (and still argues) it merely defends white people from incursions.
“Lurker I don’t understand people like you. You figure out a way to bring race into every conversation. ”
–wrong again, bizznich. I threw out Black Panthers as one of the left wing terrorist groups out there. it was your moronic ass that defended them as “not terrorists.” So I had to point out the truth—they’re a black hate group, get over it. You don’t like facts? Don’t start arguing.
“she was with Kelly and other two as a group since she was a kid. her parents controlled her.”
–stupid git. she and her group were formed through auditions,a nd carefully whittled to be stage friendly—like any . So the group was controlled and managed not organically, but artificially, although dumb starfuckers like yourself will buy they’re p.r.
everything you have heard by or about them was the result of an organization’s decisions, not their own “artistry.”
every story put out by them was an attempt to paint their image. it was a p.r. stunt, just like every story about miley cyrus now (in her now disney years) is a plant.
oh, and since they were child stars (or attempting to be) they fall right in line with Lilo, that dumb dyke. the difference being Knowles hasn’t extracted her skanky ass from the p.r. machine that made her.
Stupid, table for chic.
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in related news, chic also believes the backdoor boys and N’suckass were organically formed bands “from the streets” and that 50 Cent’s claims about past violence are real.
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wow, you really get worked up lurker 🙂
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don’t you just love chic’s black left-wing paranoid history? every black hate group was merely a victim of polcie brutality, and the evil whtie man kept them down.
I’ll bet she thinks castro gets a bum rap, too.
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stupid bitches without brains do that to me, chic.
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yea
we get you foaming from the mouth in more ways than one.
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chic, considering you’re a feminazi black apologist, probably not.
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I don’t know why, but Obsidian makes me happy.
noir & lurker. get a room u2 and fuck. post pics
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P.s. glad you realized you can’t contradict the facts I shoved down your throat, kiddo. Now go back to “fighting the power” and leave the menfolk be.
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sockpuppet, what’s your problem, beta boy? can’t argue like a real man, gotta hide?
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Besides, if a woman gets you excited/foaming–you’ve already lost. It clearly doesnt matter just “how rational” your argument is. This is mindgames 101.
Atmospherics/effect is more important than content.
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roissy, can we get the sock puppet to reveal herself?
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don’t you just love chic’s black left-wing paranoid history? every black hate group was merely a victim of police brutality, and the evil white man kept them down
NO this how you want me to think. Then I would fall right in line with your stereotypes. I see things primarily around money not race. You on the other hand are a race person.
lurker I don’t care to argue today. I can’t fight all the battles. There are other people who could debate with you but I guess they say why bother.
Lilo, that dumb dyke
Why do you care?
every story put out by them was an attempt to paint their image. it was a p.r. stunt, just like every story about miley cyrus now (in her now disney years) is a plant.
You mean Disney had something to do with Miley acquiring a 20 year old boyfriend?
firepower
noir & lurker. get a room u2 and fuck. post pics
Ha lurker hates me.
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LOL!! That is just weak…begging roissy(a symbol of higher authority) to help you?
beta bitch. I am sure roissy will help you after you’ve blown his dog…check out the dog here:
This goes to the fundamental problem: it is in the small things, the little things, that a true alpha is revealed. Right now, you just pleaded for roissy’s help. You are weak.
My job here is finished. You are no alpha.
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lurker:
sorry, i always thought terrorism involved loss of life and/or major collateral damage.
i didn’t know peta or rnc protestors caused that much collateral damage. sounds to me like they just hurt your wittle feelings by arguing against your beliefs.
mcveigh was not just one man, and he represents a feeling that a lot of right-wingers have. if you listen to people on both ideological sides, right-wingers speak more about death and destruction as a means to “solving” this countries problems. they speak non-chalantly about murdering our president, yet they try to come off as the patriotic ones. i never heard left-wingers openly hope for bush’s assassination.
i’m not old enough to have experienced the rhetoric being tossed around during weather underground and black panther times. i’m not going to try to sweep that under the carpet, but there is the very real fact that they did much less damage and that was 40 years ago. mcveigh was involved in a network of right-wing hate groups that still persist today.
so, neither one of us should sweep either idealogies transgressions under the carpet. therefore, all i can say is McVeigh, eric rudolph, attempted murder of abortion clinic owner george tiller, neo-nazis, resurgence of the kkk…give me some home-grown left-wing plots/groups prevalent during the 1990s through today??
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chic, being chic:
“You on the other hand are a race person.”
—wrong, you specifically decided to defend this black hate group only because they were black, using some long discredited “evil white oakland police” argument.
“You mean Disney had something to do with Miley acquiring a 20 year old boyfriend?”
–disney has hand in making sure it doesn’t come up in news reports. But wait till she leaves the disney fold—suddenlyher wild partying and sexscapades will come out in full force. See Spears, britney.
and once again, glad you don’t bother defending Beyonce the Skank anymore. facts have a way of shutting people up.
chuck, being a fuckhead:
“mcveigh was not just one man, and he represents a feeling that a lot of right-wingers have.”
—got proof? or is this just how you “feel.”
” i never heard left-wingers openly hope for bush’s assassination.”
—holy fucking shit. google “bush” and “assinate” and see the bile spewed by the left. better yet, remember the 8 year old Obama supporter on youtube who was saying he would kill bush and then make Obama president?
Chuck, kindly stop ignoring what doesn’t fit your worldview.
“mcveigh was involved in a network of right-wing hate groups that still persist today.”
—absolutely false. McVeigh was not involved in some VRWC. He was one of what, a group of 4? There was no power behind him. Unlike PETA.
And where is this network of right wing hate groups, chuck? got proof?
“resurgence of the kkk”
—Yawn. left wing talking points. no proof. again, chuck offer up some facts, kiddo.
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aw, sockpuppet, are you running away like a wittle bitch?
poor little sock puppet. afraid of big bad roissy? can’t fight in the open?
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wrong, you specifically decided to defend this black hate group only because they were black, using some long discredited “evil white oakland police” argument
Yup and I defended Peta for the same reason.
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funny, chic, you’re the one stating that everything I said about Panthers was wrong.
but hey, why look at facts when, like you, can just exist in black conspiracy theory?
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lurker and once again, glad you don’t bother defending Beyonce the Skank anymore. facts have a way of shutting people up
. Nope I still Beyonce is a good girl and you would be smart to stop saying such negative things about her. She has a lot of internet stans, they won’t hesitate to come and blow and or shut this comment box up/down.
got proof? or is this just how you “feel.”
You do know he had a friend and his friend’s son help right. IIRC the two were convicted and are on death row.
Lurker what are your feelings on race since you bring it up so much? Let me hear/read your side.
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Dude, you cried for help against a sockpuppet. You already lost. At least get owned with grace.
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The largest terrorist and hate group in American history is a Left Wing outcropping of the communist manifesto:
Planned Parenthood
How many American are dead because of them? 40 million? One death is a tragedy. One million is a statistic. Who said that? Stalin?
Never mind, the babies were unwanted or undesirable. Where have I heard that before… Lets kill anyone that is unwanted, why stop at the black fetus.
The federal government and its creeping left wing socialism has destroyed the black middle class family and will do the same to this new generation of whites and latinos. Don’t worry, big government Republicans and the Democrat party will take care of you.
Those of you that run businesses and depend on stable currency, shut the fuck up and take it.
This country is heading down a path that going to fucking shock to the soul.
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lurker, i notice you often link wiki articles as your proof but I see you haven’t linked anything for the panthers.
fun fact: guess what group is responsible for the free breakfast programs found in many schools across the country?
anonymous, lurker is a blowhard, no offense Michael or Donald.
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” Beyonce is a good girl and you would be smart to stop saying such negative things about her. She has a lot of internet stans, they won’t hesitate to come and blow and or shut this comment box up/down. ”
—lol. I am so scared of Beyonce’s 14 year old fans and starfucking stalkers from coming here and attacking. Watch out! Her management company is angry!
Beyonce=skanky, artificial poptart. Watch out!
“You do know he had a friend and his friend’s son help right. IIRC the two were convicted and are on death row. ”
—right. so 4 people total, right? Just like I said? That’s not a VRWC, moron. That’s a gang of 4. You do get the
“Lurker what are your feelings on race since you bring it up so much?”
–lol, nice try on flipping the switch. Who defended the left wing hate group solely on the basis of their being black.
“yea you called them a hate group and they were not.”
—lol. The ADL has classified them as such. PWNED.
“furthermore, Huey was one black Panther member.”
—–correction: he was the co-founder and leader.
“IIRC, he didn’t have any plans to kill off any group of people.”
–“Death to the pigs! Death to the Jews!”
“His hatred was directed primarly at the police at what he saw as historical mistreatment of Blacks.”
—translation: he blamed one group of people for things they might have done in the past,a nd decided to punish any current members for the sins of the past. Oh, and the jews, and generally any white people, just because.
and don’t forget the drug rackets and prostitution rings he ran to make money for the guns he purchased to kill people.
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chic, I never link to wiki articles. wrong again, kiddo.
wikipedia, as I have stated is an unreliable source.
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anymous, is that you sock puppet? do you want to come out and fight, or run away again?
come on, bitch boy, take your swing.
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Da_Truth, I agree, but most people here consider PP non-terrorist. Sadly, since what they are doing is legal, they are right; terrorism is illegal killing for politicial and social change.
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lol chick, you know what paid for those “free breakfasts?”
drug dealing and prostitution, and fencing stolen goods from riots, of course. and let’s not forget robbery, the black panther speciality.
reminds me of hitler’s “free healthcare for Aryans” paid for by the gold teeth of Jews burned in the camps.
PWNED.
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Chuck —
Let’s review:
“Man Caused Disasters” (what Napolitano/Obama call Jihad) killed 3,000 Americans, sought to kill 50,000 in 1993 (toppling one tower onto another), sought to blow up the bridges and tunnels as a follow-on, sought to bomb 12 airliners out of the sky in the Pacific, sought to do the same in the Atlantic, killed thousands in Nairobi and in Tanzania, killed hundreds in Khobar Towers, and has generally sought to kill as many Americans as possible for more than thirty years!
Why just last month the leader of the Taliban in Pakistan threatened to nuke NYC out of existence.
And DHS/Obama are worrying about Tim McVeighs and Eric Rudolphs? Who don’t even approach the aggregate body count of Left Wing Terrorists like the Dorhns, Ayers, Black Panthers, and so on? [McVeigh was more “Liberal Fascist” than Right Wing/Conservative. His views as ill-articulated as they were basically amounted to his wanting to be the Big Man not the crowd that was in there now and running things along his Big Man lines, with racial strictures. Conservatives/Right Wingers want a return to America of 1965 or thereabouts. No more immigration, individual rights, no affirmative action OR discrimination, rule by Constitution, and critically, preventing “Big Men” either the McVeigh type or Obama ones from emerging.]
Conclusion: Obama, Napolitiano, and the rest of the SWPL crowd don’t care about anything other than using Jihadist terror to inflict casualties on their real enemies: the White working/middle classes. No rich yuppie died on 9/11, no one “important” worked in the Twin Towers, so Obama and Co. turn a blind eye to the real threat while playing eternal status games about “who is more anti-racist?” like a bad SNL parody “who is more muy macho? Ricardo Montalbaln or Fernando Llamas?” [Famously, Will Smith said he didn’t care about 9/11 because “no Black person died” and SWPL yuppie artists like Susan Sontag and Norman Mailer thought it was “beatiful” …]
No one cares anymore about SWPL games about who is more “enlightened” and anti-Racist. Mostly because most guys are straight out of the game for women, which drives that (women are the source of PC status games). About 80% of layoffs were among men, very few women have been laid off, and this creates a problem:
*Having a good income is critical to being successful with women. It is in fact the floor upon which the success is built.
*Moving from good income to none, with no help from the government (“No White Guys Need Apply” — Robert Reich in sworn testimony) means no hope for gaming women.
*White guys get radicalized. The few that had women move to no women, and most lose hope. SWPL status games no longer apply because FIRST they need income, which means a right-wing populist movement of low taxes and high defense spending (employs lots of White guys) and second, Anonymous Urban Living enables right wing sentiments just like as it does lots of sex partners for women.
Obama’s biggest risk is being impeached by a flipped House and then limping along as a lame duck in the Dem dominated Senate, with most of the White male population loathing him. Obama is the Single Female’s “Big Man” and THAT my friend will generate the hatred that is moved by jealousy. As old as the Bible, older even.
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You sir are a less gay, modern-day Oscar Wilde. That was absolutely brilliant.
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Ah, those must have been uber-Tories who descended on the G8 meeting two weeks ago…. and who launched violent and non-violent protests during the anti-globalization fad, which flourished during the early 2000s recession.
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thank you agnostic.
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translation: he blamed one group of people for things they might have done in the past,a nd decided to punish any current members for the sins of the past. Oh, and the jews, and generally any white people, just because.
He was not a for randomly punishing poor whites for the sins of centuries past. His beef was with the police,J edgar hoover and the like.
Btw, are you jewish?
and don’t forget the drug rackets and prostitution rings he ran to make money for the guns he purchased to kill people.
Not true. You are so full of it and you know it.
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lurker:
it’s sad that you’re trying to channel your inner roissy by calling people sock puppet and bitch boy…get your own style please.
you say that mcveigh and co. were only a group of 4, trying to minimalize the reverberations of their muders. Look at this:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23380
^^^^ here’s an article in which the author claims the group may have had as many as 10 planners. they were also tied in with aryanswho were tied with the Silent Brotherhood, who are famous for murdering a radio show host:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Brotherhood
“And where is this network of right wing hate groups, chuck? got proof?”
Elohim City, Oklahoma for one, wrinkle stick.
lurker, i have no physical proof that plenty on the right wing silently support right wing extremists. you’re all the proof i need though.
as far as bush assassination talk. there was already a group busted for trying to put together a plan to kill obama. granted they were hopped up on meth and shit, but they were a right wing white nationalist group. i’m not doubting that there are individuals who would have liked to take a shot at bush, but there are plainly more *groups* of people who’d like to take out obama.
you can sit there and *act* like peta and rnc protestors are terrorists. i’ll grant that they’re annoying as hell, but don’t put on this false fear act that they are the epitome of evil. if you’re scared of peta then you’re more of a pussy than i thought.
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“He was not a for randomly punishing poor whites for the sins of centuries past.”
—-lol. Death to the pigs! Death to the Jews!
“are you jewish?”
—wtf would my being jewish have anything to do with this….oh, wait, if I’m one of those evil Jews who punishes the black man and who’s lies must be ignored,
No, panther, I am unfortunately not one a member of that ilustrious race of brilliant doctors, bankers, lawyers, scientists, warriors, poets, artists, philosophers, and world leaders known as the Jews, to paraphrase (very loosely) Tolkien.
“Not true. You are so full of it and you know it.”
—lol. the panthers, like any criminaly organization, got their money through illegal activity. Or do you think they ran an Amway?
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Whiskey
Really?I never heard about any of this.Have you got a source?
Again,have you got a source.I’m doing some personal research on a related topic (female employment in government) and I’d like to read more about this.
Whiskey for president!!!
Disagree with you here my friend.High defense spending is one reason for high taxes,and high deficits,leadind to high debts,and high interest charges,and therefore more taxes etc..
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whiskey Famously, Will Smith said he didn’t care about 9/11 because “no Black person died
Stop believing everything you hear Whiskey. Will Smith said no such thing.
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poor sock puppet ran away. sock puppet, where are you bitch boy?
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whiskey:
you, and others, assume that just because DHS puts out a report of concern for right-wing extremists that all work towards containing jihadists has stopped.
do you all actually think that DHS and our counter-terror orgs are stopping everything they’re doing in order to combat this “new” perceived threat. you guys, and some in the media, are making too big a deal out of it all.
it’s well known that tough economic times serve as fuel for populist movements. this shit happened under bush too. moveon.org used populist messages to rally people against bush. the difference here is, at least in this day and age, right-wing populist movements have more firepower, literally. they’re more apt to set a bomb or shoot someone up. the modern-day left-wing orgs operate through a bastardization of the democratic process. i’m not saying their method is all kosher, but its better than pulling guns and setting bombs to get the point across.
you speak of obama as being the single woman’s big man thus creating jealousy among white males. you forget that this is a nation of *300 million*. yeah, if obama was living next door trying to protect my girlfriend, i might be a little fired up, but he’s not. your obama-as-big-man argument makes no sense.
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yeah, chic. but remember, george bush hates black people. a famous black person said it, it must be true.
lol moron.
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Chuck, the outrage from the right here in case is that the report CONTAINS ABSOLUTELY NO STATISTICS OR FACTS backing up an argument that right wingers are launching terrorist groups. It is a conclusive, damning report with no evidence. Much like your assertions, there are no facts backing it up.
“moveon.org used populist messages to rally people against bush. ”
—as late as last year. did they suddenly lose all their money?
“right-wing populist movements have more firepower, literally. they’re more apt to set a bomb or shoot someone up.”
—chuck, you have yet to give an example beyond Tim McVeigh.
“the modern-day left-wing orgs operate through a bastardization of the democratic process”
—the G8 violent protests, BAMN, ACORN, 2004 RNC protests, PETA, eco-warriors, black panthers….try again chuck.
“, but its better than pulling guns and setting bombs to get the point across. ”
–which left wing groups do, but you conveniently ignore.
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“do you all actually think that DHS and our counter-terror orgs are stopping everything they’re doing in order to combat this “new” perceived threat.”
–considering they just wasted all these resources to put together an “official report” with no facts to stand behind its conclusions, I’d say they’re going to turn some firepower onto perceived threats (re: angry white males) and remove some survelliance on groups with any proven hsitory of violence but are Nobama friendly (e.g. ACORN, BAMN, PETA, etc.)
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Response from the american legion linked by pa priceless. 1 in 42 million chance of being tim mcvey. The truth priceless. I think people are more scared that the whites will never rise up. That is the real fear because then we get to be a third world country. Which I am leaning towards as a good thing hell I am moving to a third world country it can’t be that bad can it. Even the niggers trying to provoke the white man and the white man is like bla what is life. Why save it. What is the point. We got too intelligent. We got too educated. We got too pussified. The malaize is too deep. The action is too far. The mind is too depraved.
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right, I’m sure that was it, panther.
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chic, re-read, I am not jewish.
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lurker:
how many talking points memos from the government ever do have numerical facts? and when they do, how can they ever be trusted to not be wrong numbers? there is a solid a priori theory that DHS and others is working on…they are following a pattern of flare ups in right-wing group activity during times such as these.
democratic president mixed with domestic unrest is the perfect storm for these groups to form and thrive. how many people did bush wiretap and survey (domestically) with no advertised numbers to back up his suspicions during the last 7 years in office?
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
the dhs report even cites that its evidence is completely rhetorical. it also points out that there was a decrease in right wing extremist activity after OKC because of the increased scrutiny. the report also points out that small groups and lone wolves are the biggest threat.
in actuality, the DHS are doing *exactly* what we hoped the government would have done before 9/11. they are trying to act proactively. they are pointing out that times similar to these (economic downturn, arguments over immigration, large numbers of military veterans with access and knowledge of guns) have led to an increase in militia and extremist activity. how is that hard for anyone to comprehend?
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lurker,
Since you don’t seem to be literate enough to read the article that roissy posted: I would refrain from making threats against specific individuals listing a time, location, and weapon. I don’t know the algorithm that sets of the NSA/FBI “hate”-dar but chances are, its based off something like that.
In any case, Ed helms is no longer with the Daily Show. He and his kind have been replaced by an unfunny multicultural crew comprised of a paki, a black, and a british guy.
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too funny…I thought these left wing extremist groups were already mainstream, anyone heard of ACORN? As far as right wing extremists….I’m getting ready to hit my tea party!
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Because you love white guys chic.
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here’s the thing, lurker, you flaming idiot:
what is ACORN, PETA, etc. gonna do? what’s the worst case scenario? the breadth of their mushroom cloud if you will? i’m arguing this by putting myself in a PETA person or ACORN persons shoes. they are part of an identifiable organization. there are no loose connections in those organizations. everyone can follow their paper trail and funding and motivations. its no secret. that transparency minimized their threat to anything. mix that with the fact that they *do not* have a history of violence, and you’re just creating another straw man which people like you are so fond of doing.
take someone who has strong anti governmental, xenophobic, race hate issues. there are some groups, aryan brotherhood, kkk, who are tracked, but there are many others who operate in the underground. these are much bigger threats to domestic safety than your left wing strawmen.
can you picture an ACORN worker having the knowledge or desire to collect bomb material and/or firearms to carry through their voting and poverty agenda? No.
Can you picture a disenchanted white dude who harbors hatred towards blacks (obama) and foreigners (some say obama) wanting to take down our president and topple our government? Yes.
i’m a Ron Paul guy. i’m a MLK guy. i’m a Ghandi guy. i want this country to change, in a bad way, but violence and mayhem is not the way to do it. right-wing extremists pose the greatest risk of violence and mayhem and that’s what the DHS report is all about.
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In any case, Ed helms is no longer with the Daily Show. He and his kind have been replaced by an unfunny multicultural crew comprised of a paki, a black, and a british guy.
THANK YOU! I was watching the re-run last night at 8 to see how he treated Pelosi and I couldn’t believe how boring and not funny those other guys were.
And by the way, he treated her with kid gloves.
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right-wing extremists pose the greatest risk of violence and mayhem and that’s what the DHS report is all about.
I have to admit – living close to NYC with many friends and family there – that Islamic terrorists scare me a lot more than right-wing extremists.
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In any case, Ed helms is no longer with the Daily Show. He and his kind have been replaced by an unfunny multicultural crew comprised of a paki, a black, and a british guy.
I think Aasif Mandvi is Indian actually. Plus that dude is hilarious.
Fuck the rest of the news team though.
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seeking alpha:
compared to left wing extremists which is the subject of roissy’s satire.
islamofascists pose the greatest threat to this country. dhs didn’t come out and say “hey, we’re switching our focus from jihadists to right wingers.” they merely came out with a report citing a possibly flare up in activity.
solid use of governmental agency, what an oxymoron.
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Seeking Alpha the woman is old enough to be his mother. He can only ride her so hard
Fair enough. They share policy goals so I didn’t expect much, but there was one point in the interview where – if Stewart was really against bullshit on both sides – he could have nailed her and he chose not to.
She made a comment about her Congress – and specifically the stimulus bill – being the most open and transparent in history. Something along those lines.
It would have been a great time for Stewart to say – this bill was written only hours before it was signed. Would you consider that open and transparent?
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@ Chuck – On that point you are correct. Right wing groups are certainly more likely to use violence. Left wing groups don’t use violence for the most part.
Arguably though, the effects of left wing policies are worse than right wing. I don’t really feel like getting into a policy debate, but here’s a question.
Is the black community better or worse off today than forty years ago? Certainly in the North, they’re worse off, because there was no lynching or segregation. Even in the South, I’d imagine that the poverty and intra-racial violence of today is worth than the white-on-black violence of the past.
Now I don’t have any facts. I’m not claiming I’m definitely right. But even if it’s only a close call, that doesn’t say much, considering how much time, money, and effort has gone into community programs.
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chuck, the DHS “””report””” is a politicized Orwellian joke. see here:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDkyMDNiNjZjNGM4OTkzZmI0NWJkMGMyODE0NjY2YzE=
dissent is patriotic, remember? without careful vigilance, the left wing currently running the show could get drunk on their power and turn dictatorial. it’s happened before.
what is ACORN, PETA, etc. gonna do? what’s the worst case scenario?
mcveigh was one person, and his personal ideology was too scattershot to be fairly described as “right-wing”. in the big picture the long term damage that left-wing extremism is doing to the country absolutely dwarfs the damage that mvveigh did.
but it’s nice to have him around as a welcome distraction, isn’t it?
in actuality, the DHS are doing *exactly* what we hoped the government would have done before 9/11. they are trying to act proactively.
still waiting for DHS to build that border fence. not holding breath…
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chuck, being daft:
“how many talking points memos from the government ever do have numerical facts? ”
–it’s not a talking points memo, dumbass. It’s supposed to be a subtsantial report, with facts and figures. the fact is, they composed one on left-wing groups chock-full of such facts; why? because there were facts to be had. Here, they have no facts, but state a conclusion anyway.
“how many people did bush wiretap and survey (domestically) with no advertised numbers to back up his suspicions during the last 7 years in office? ”
—um, you do remember, dummy, that he had the power to do so. As obama does. but bush didn’t target left v. right, he targeted islamic threats, because that is what was the biggest group was.
“the report also points out that small groups and lone wolves are the biggest threat.”
–so, in other words, they have no data.
in actuality, the DHS are doing *exactly* what we hoped the government would have done before 9/11.”
—what we hoped for was hard data, numbers, not merely conjecture.
“they are pointing out that times similar to these (economic downturn, arguments over immigration, large numbers of military veterans with access and knowledge of guns) have led to an increase in militia and extremist activity. how is that hard for anyone to comprehend?”
–chuck, get a clue, this is an official report, not a history lesson, not merely opinion. They issued a report with NO FACTS TO BACK IT UP. Past performance is not an indicator of future results. i have no problem with their conjecturing that it may happen; but that’s a hypothesis, they had to test and go get data to back it up. When they found not data, the blatantly unproven conjecture should have been dropped from the report, numbnuts.
“what is ACORN, PETA, etc. gonna do? what’s the worst case scenario?”
—PETA: blow up animal laboratories with people in it. ACORN: start race riots and blow up non-black owned businesses in black sections of town (a la Al Sharpton’s wish and Jackson’s “Hymietown” comments and the LA Riots). The mushroom cloud is huge.
” everyone can follow their paper trail and funding and motivations. its no secret. that transparency minimized their threat to anything. mix that with the fact that they *do not* have a history of violence, and you’re just creating another straw man which people like you are so fond of doing.”
–PETA and ACORN do have histories of violence. And arguing ACORN is transparent is like arguing the Klan is multipcultural. It just ain’t true.
“take someone who has strong anti governmental, xenophobic, race hate issues. there are some groups, aryan brotherhood, kkk, who are tracked, but there are many others who operate in the underground. these are much bigger threats to domestic safety than your left wing strawmen.”
—and there are much bigger underground left-wing groups bent on violent ends. visit any college communist meeting–communists wholeheartedly believe in violent ends to acheive their goals.
“can you picture an ACORN worker having the knowledge or desire to collect bomb material and/or firearms to carry through their voting and poverty agenda?”
—yes. we can all make up strawmen crazies. You assume acorn controls these nuts and/or doesn’t want violence. don’t be naive.
“I want this country to change, in a bad way, but violence and mayhem is not the way to do it. right-wing extremists pose the greatest risk of violence and mayhem and that’s what the DHS report is all about.”
–lol. a report without facts, based on Hollywood-made up fantasies about right wingers. That’s your proof? nice job Chuck.
Bring the facts next time, bitch boy. you lose.
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P.s. I am stealing this from another site, but the commenter is spot on:
“The timing of the release of the DHS was Rahmbrilliant. The media is eating it up, then covering the Tea Parties, and regurgitating the Cafferty talking points.”
–a report without facts, mere conclusions, released right on the time for massive, countrywide protests by right wingers, that paints them all as violent kooks without proof?
Chuck, open your eyes, kid.
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“Is the black community better or worse off today than forty years ago?”
the writings of thomas sowell and walter williams give good insight to this issue. (both are black economists) The New Deal, Great Society, and minimum wage laws have all contributed to the decline in black employment. at one point, up until the 1940s when minimum wage laws came into being in this country, blacks were as gainfully employed as whites, albeit at lower wages due to their relatively lower skill.
as whiskey pointed out with regard to angry white males, black males being displaced in the labor force had many negative externalities. i won’t go into the psychology of it all, but its easy to see that being displaced and having a feeling of degradation because of lack of work (systematically) will lead to familial issues, etc.
i’d argue that by absolute standards, blacks are better off. overall they have more things and a better chance of living a decent life than they previously did. on the other hand, welfare and the things that come along with that have made blacks worse off morale-wise.
either way, i will definitely admit that conservative, or even better, classic liberal policies are better than contemporary liberal solutions.
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Seeking alpha, can you point to one organized attempt by a right wing group in America (>10 people) to cause massive violence to acheive their ends and succeeding in causing violence in the last 20 years?
Yet I can name more than one lefty group.
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all the dictators of the 20th century were left wingers, and began their take overs with campaigns of guerilla warfare and terrorism.
the 21st century aint too different, either.
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lurker – I’m broadly sympathetic with your views (even if your angry, rude postings are disappointing).
Can you point to a left wing group? Those Black groups from the sixties were black power nationalists, not leftists. Somehow I don’t imagine them getting along with the SWPL crowd too well. And it was the sixties.
I don’t think anyone on either side of the spectrum are going to attempt a terrorist attack on the country. You’d be stupid to try. It’s suicide. That’s why the only people to try it will be lone wolves.
Do you imagine a lot of lone wolves are liberals? Do you imagine some guy in a loft in Soho rubbing his manicured hands together as he plans to bomb city hall for not raising taxes enough? Because they haven’t banned cigarettes from outdoors yet?
Be real. You’re making yourself look bad.
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what was the whole point really.
Would you rather be tortured and killed or killed straight away? We’re all going to die. But unless you’re planning to kill yourself tomorrow, you might as well enjoy life.
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this satire would be funny if it weren’t for one thing….right-wing radicals are responsible for *all* of the domestic terrorist plots in recent history.
Unabomber? Jose Padilla? Lyman Faris? Kevin James? Toledo terror plot? Miami plot to attack the Sears Tower? Fort Dix plot? Russell Defreitas?
i never heard left-wingers openly hope for bush’s assassination.
Are you KIDDING? They made a movie about it!
the DHS are doing *exactly* what we hoped the government would have done before 9/11.
What, keeping a vigilant watch on everyone to the right of John Kerry?
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Chuck said:
On that point you are correct. Right wing groups are certainly more likely to use violence. Left wing groups don’t use violence for the most part.
End Chuck
Do you mean like Stalin? I mean really, Chuck, this doesn’t even pass the giggles test.
Chuck said:
what is ACORN, PETA, etc. gonna do?
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Well, you see, Chuck, ACORN is paid by the government to work with poor people.
So chances are an ACORN worker already knows a just out-of-jail young unemployed black criminal who is going to Reverend Wright’s Church of God D! America. If this ACORN worker was looking for someone willing to do something violent and stupid, then I can hardly think of a better candidate.
So basically, Chuck, what is ‘limiting’ ACORN is if they want to. On an individual and group basis.
If they don’t, they won’t. If they do, they can.
Certain left wingers are perfectly willing to use violence. In fact, ACORN is the perfect job for a single nutcase with a grudge.
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seeking alpha:
“Can you point to a left wing group? Those Black groups from the sixties were black power nationalists, not leftists>”
–not true. The black groups had strong ties to both the communist party (which partially assisted in the organizing) and general left wing terrorists (Weather Underground).
Currently, PETA, ACORN< etc. use fear tactics–threats of violence–to extort political gains. Those are acts of terrorism. And eco-terrorist? Have you been paying attention, man?
“Do you imagine a lot of lone wolves are liberals?”
–Unabomber, anyone?
“Do you imagine some guy in a loft in Soho rubbing his manicured hands together as he plans to bomb city hall for not raising taxes enough? ”
–weather underground.
“Because they haven’t banned cigarettes from outdoors yet?”
–eco-terrorists.
a small group of < 10 can still be “lone wolves” or “cells.” your classic idea is pure hollywood fantasy. Even McVeigh had a few associates.
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In today’s West left wing groups don’t use direct violence all that much. Instead, they deploy their per minority groups to act as paramilitary armies against the native middle and working classes.
See black crime in America or “death to infiedls” protests in London.
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Do you mean like Stalin? I mean really, Chuck, this doesn’t even pass the giggles test.
I said that engineer. We were talking about the AMERICAN groups of TODAY. Maybe you think ACORN is as violent as Stalin or Beria. In the future, who knows. But you would have as few facts as that joke of a DHS report.
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The anti-globalization protesters (early 2000, and today) I can’t figure out what to make of them. As a reactionary I am not a fan of globalization either, so at least in that way I can “agree” with them.
It’s like they have their communist placards and all, but I haev no idea what it is that really motivates them.
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Actually, DHShas released “terrorist reports before” on left-wingers that were chock full of facts:
of course, with left wing groups, they refuse to call them left wingers.
I hate to go to a polarizing author, but Michelle Malkin shows why this report is so bogus:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/14/confirme-the-obama-dhs-hit-job-on-conservatives-is-real/
Basically, they have no facts, but choose to paint righters badly, like some boogeyman.
Whoever wrote this report should be fired.
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P.s. Michelle Malkin is a freaking 9+ hottie. Jeez, asian chicks age well.
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soederpop:
Funny that you end this post with a quote from Orwell, who, if you read anything else that he has written, or know about his life, would by any modern day definition be considered a “leftist extremist”
i know orwell’s politics. that’s precisely why i chose his quote for this post, soederpop.
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roissy:
i’m not going to pretend that the report wasn’t politically motivated to some extent. the plain fact is, there is a very plausible argument to be made that law enforcement (the people this report was intended for before a blogger outed it) should be aware of these issues.
the southern poverty law center (obviously a liberal, black organization) points out that the number of right wing groups has increased from 888 to 926 in the past year.
obama did not release this report as fear-mongering. its merely a rational interpretation of available facts and previous patterns of these groups.
the okc ordeal was not just the work of one man, timothy mcveigh. terry nichols, the elohmin city network and other militants were a part of that plot.
lurker:
i guess i’ll address you. talking to you is similar to muhammed ali warming up with jerry quarry in the early years of his boxing career.
“it’s not a talking points memo, dumbass. It’s supposed to be a subtsantial report, with facts and figures. ”
is there a template on government reports now? do qualitative reports have to have numbers to make them legitimate? reading the report, the one distributed to law enforcement and leaked to the media, i’d assume that there is a much larger, confidential report somewhere within DHS.
“what we hoped for was hard data, numbers, not merely conjecture.”
you were *hoping for* this report? did you even know this report was in existence until today? when you opened up the file to read it were you thinking “my, i can’t wait for the facts and figures to show me that there is a rise in right-wing extremism”? i doubt it. this is a qualitative report and an attempt to be proactive about something that could very well happen given our current situation.
if you all want to interpret it as a mass purge of dissenters, go ahead, but i think you’re wrong.
“Past performance is not an indicator of future results.”
Ha…you’re laughable. actually no, you’re pitiful. does World Trade Center 1993 ring a bell? how about USS cole? bombings of US embassies? past performance does not indicate future results? get a clue and a grip.
i view this report as the *exact* type of thing we need in government.
lurker, show me where peta and/or acorn has hurt anyone? i really have no idea, but i can’t remember hearing anything about it. i remember hearing about lab bombings and stuff by peta, but never any casualties.
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Lurker – We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Like I said, I don’t really worry about domestic terrorists of any stripe, and I think we’re arguing over which one is 0.011% and which is 0.012% likely to attack.
EMP attacks? Dirty bombs? Mumbai-type attacks? Those do worry me occasionally.
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Long live the Pook!
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In today’s West left wing groups don’t use direct violence all that much.
Neither do right-wing groups, regardless of Chuck’s feverish imaginings to the contrary.
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Actually there is one example of left wing violence today: brownshirt-style intimidation of conservative speakers on college campuses. Happens all the time.
Just happened at UNC Chapel Hill where Tom Tancredo was speaking. Smashed glass, etc. He had to be hauled away by the police for his safety.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012986.html
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Look…Extremes are always something to be wary of. It doesn’t matter which side their basis point comes from. Right now our country is filled with extremes. I’m quite sick of our failed two party system. George Washington warned long ago that political associations grow beyond the will of the Constitution, creating animosity and eventually hatred.
My adage: Be careful what you wish for, because you just may get it.
Marry your dog for all I care, just don’t ask for my hard earned money to pay for it!!!!! The land of opportunity does not need to be the land of handouts.
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Tarl:
i never said they did. you guys arguing about the frivolity of the DHS report are projecting that thought onto people who aren’t so adamantly against that report.
you all think that liberals and people who see the point of this report think there is some *huge* groundswell of right-wing extremist activity. i don’t think that’s the case, but i also expect there to be an increase in such activity.
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Time to point out what is REALLY going on here in this thread:
Left leaning Democrat cheerleaders are trying to brand all right wing conservatives with guilt by association…and right leaning republican cheerleaders are trying to brand all left wing liberals w/ guilt by association.
This is an exercise in idiocy. All forms of political ideology have extremist, hard-core militants that think their ideology justifies whatever they do because they believe the ends justify the means.
You all need to understand that the “left” vs. “right” debate in this country is nothing more than a grand charade. The REAL powers-that-be have their own agenda, and they use BOTH sides as their weapons of mass distraction.
Here are two simple examples, of how both sides are used to distract We the Sheeple while the real agenda continues to be gradually implemented to socially engineer our society:
Dubya talked about “saving marriage.” Ummm, the REAL threat to the institution of marriage is NOT that a very small percentage of a very small minority wants to call their relationships “marriage.” “Conservatives” and “Liberals” argue, debate and insult each other over the “red herring” of “Gay Marriage.”
Meanwhile, neither side even so much as comes close to mentioning the real threat to the institution of marriage as the foundation of civilization: the No-Fault Divorce Industry that profits immensely from the destruction of families. This is what the power elite want: weakened family structures to produce a populace dependent (and easily controlled) on the State.
So while left and right bitch about the very small minority of homos that want to subject themselves to the marriage – divorce industry racket, the REAL agenda of destroying marriage continues onward without so much as a whisper in the mainstream culture.
Than we have the Left wing example: Obama ran on his opposition to War, against rendition of POWs and against Bush’s “civilian wiretapping” agenda.
He hasn’t even been in office for 6 mos., and he’s basically re-affirmed all of those actions and utilized the very powers he criticized during the campaign for his own use…while ramping up for a “surge” of his own in Afghanistan.
Remember: Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with EastAsia!
And all the left wing liberals that voted for Obama to change those losses of civil liberties and end the “nation building” wars done by Bush in the name of the “War on Terror,” all are now pretty much silent now that their left wing douche bag is in power and doing the exact same thing.
Quit being a Sheeple, baaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaa-ing your support for the puppets playing their role in the grand charade of partisan political theater.
Republicrats and Democans – there is no substantial difference. Each merely plays their part to keep the people divided and conquered.
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Seeking Alpha
Lurker – We’ll just have to agree to disagree
don’t turn into me my friend 🙂
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Chuck:
You’re right, i am Muhammed ALi and you are just the ginger punching bag.
“is there a template on government reports now? do qualitative reports have to have numbers to make them legitimate?”
—yep, see the link I posted above to the “left wing” (but don’t call it that!) terrorist reports.
“obama did not release this report as fear-mongering. its merely a rational interpretation of available facts and previous patterns of these groups. ”
—lmao. Yes, he released it to coincide with the Tea Parties. And it contains NO FACTS, MERELY CONJECTURE.
Lying about it won’t make it true, chuckie baby.
“you were *hoping for* this report? did you even know this report was in existence until today?”
–listen, red, you were the one talking about how this report was what you hoped the government did post 9-11. What we were hoping from DHS post 9-11 was hard data and leads, not mere speculation by the left wingers writing on it on their fantasy enemies with no proof.
“i view this report as the *exact* type of thing we need in government.”
–a factless, unqualified made up story, citing no specific groups or facts to justify the paranoia? Wow, chuck, you really are on the obama kool-aid.
“show me where peta and/or acorn has hurt anyone?”
—so physically attacking people with paint isn’t an attack any more? Vandalising and attacking animal testers isn’t violence? Eco-terrorist chaining trees so lumberjacks are injured? The Unabomber…..
” i remember hearing about lab bombings and stuff by peta, but never any casualties.”
—wow. just wow. Chuck, now we know you’re aleft winger, if your claiming that terrorist bombings are ok and forgivable so long as no one gets hurt. terrorism isn’t just about killing some, its about initimidating others with violences/threats of violence, which those explosions did. Get. A. CLue.
I’m still waiting, btw, for your report on the multitude of right-wing organized (>10 people) terroist activities going on in thsi country. Please. You have named none thus far.
“past performance does not indicate future results?”
–yes, moron, and blow me.
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Whiskey
What specifically are you talking about? Got a link?
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chic, you are not allowed to speak. Back to the panther meeting, bizznich!
another example of left-wing terrorism: the minuteman attacks at columbia U. last year.
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dougjnn, there actually was a colloquy on C-SPAN, where Reich and I think Rangel talked about making sure those jobs didn’t go to white people. or, rather, if I remember correctly, *only* went to black people.
panther would be pleased.
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Robert Reich in his own words: White Male Construction Workers”
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So Dave…just wondering, have you read some Nietzsche? I find alot of what you said philosophically leaning that way…the sheep and all. BTW, I think you are correct, in what you said, similar to what I said above, but with much more depth.
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lurker
Chuck:
You’re right, i am Muhammed ALi and you are just the ginger punching bag.
I really wish you would stop riding him for having red hair so what???
Isn’t red hair rarer than blonde? If so then you should be harping about the disappearance of red heads the same way some us cry about the upcoming extinction of blondes.
Learn to argue your points without the name calling and you will look more like a man. Got it!!!
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Remember: Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with EastAsia!
Yessss! More Orwell.
1984 vs. Animal Farm. Which is better?
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Seeking Alpha said:
On that point you are correct. Right wing groups are certainly more likely to use violence. Left wing groups don’t use violence for the most part.
I said:
Do you mean like Stalin? I mean really, Chuck, this doesn’t even pass the giggles test.
Seeking Alpha Said:
I said that engineer. We were talking about the AMERICAN groups of TODAY. Maybe you think ACORN is as violent as Stalin or Beria. In the future, who knows. But you would have as few facts as that joke of a DHS report.
I thought it was Chuck because of the @ thing, but I don’t really care, Chuck is saying the exact same thing as the ‘Republican’ Seeking Alpha.
I’m glad to see the”Republican” Seeking Alpha defending the left-wingers.
Some other comments from Republican Seeking Alpha:
For all those who throw out rand-roid… it is you who is likely a droid. It is you who doesn’t question his prejudices, his preconceptions, or his own world view. I constantly seek to expand my understanding – of all things – hence the handle.
Hope that clarifies things for those here with an open mind. To the rest – let the hate come. I didn’t have coffee this morning and nothing wakes you up like a good dose of haters.
I’m glad that Seeking Alpha told me he was a Republican, or all his ultra-left iberal talk would have confused me.
Really, Seeking needs to work on delivery.
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hey chic, the next time I want arguing advice from a terrorist hate group apologist like yourself, I’ll let you know.
now back to your hole, troll!
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LEFT WING GROUPS ARE MORE PRONE TO VIOLENCE:
End scene.
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REICH: …”I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers…I have nothing against white male construction workers, I’m just saying there are other people who have needs as well.”
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lurker saiddougjnn, there actually was a colloquy on C-SPAN, where Reich and I think Rangel talked about making sure those jobs didn’t go to white people. or, rather, if I remember correctly, *only* went to black people.
panther would be pleased
No he didn’t, the man mispoke. He went on to say that not all of the construction jobs would go to white males. How many women do you seeing working construction? By and large most of the construction jobs will go to White, Blk and let’s hope legal Latino men.
It’s damn shame middle age men get a kick out causing confusion. As I spend more time here, I’m starting to see how men without women are very problematic for society as a whole. Even employed men without women are troublesome. To bad I am only one woman.
Your need to insert blk this and blk that in almost everyone of your post lets me know you are delusional when it comes to blk folk. Get over yourself, “we” don’t hate you or want to kill you because your white. Now your itchazzness is another story.
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chuck:
i’m not going to pretend that the report wasn’t politically motivated to some extent. the plain fact is, there is a very plausible argument to be made that law enforcement (the people this report was intended for before a blogger outed it) should be aware of these issues.
according to the logic of the DHS report, if i advocate for immigration restriction i could be smeared as a terrorist. this is because the report is based on nothing more than ideological axe-grinding and propagandist fervor worthy of riefenstahl, devoid of facts and entirely supported by nebulous claims of “largely rhetorical” threats. this maneuver by obama’s magic activist moonbat team is straight outta saul alinsky’s rules for radicals. that a smart guy like you can’t, or won’t, see that is kind of disappointing, to tell the truth. but maybe not so surprising. emotional self-bias is a more powerful force than the sex drive. at least the sex drive has a refractory period.
the southern poverty law center
the $plc is an anti-white gentile hate organization, dedicated to the total and complete dismantling of core american culture and all too eager to use the tools of guilt by association, slander, libel, and outright lies to further its sick, twisted agenda.
quoting them will only serve to discredit your argument.
(obviously a liberal, black organization) points out that the number of right wing groups has increased from 888 to 926 in the past year.
based on the loosey-goosey definition of right wing that the $plc uses i’m surprised the number isn’t 99,926.
obama did not release this report as fear-mongering.
no, his minions did. obama can plausibly wash his hands of it if the heat gets turned up.
and i wouldn’t say it was so much fear mongering as it was a devious political ploy to smear any mounting opposition in the walkup to obama’s grander lefty plans for the nation.
its merely a rational interpretation of available facts and previous patterns of these groups.
would a rational interpretation of available facts and previous patterns demand the immediate closing of the southern border and the deportation of the tens of millions of mestizo illegals currently squatting in the US? because there are far more “available facts” and “previous patterns” that those immigrants commit violent crime at a rate 3x the non-hispanic white native population than there are available facts supporting the DHS’s contention of a rise of violent neo nazi right wing terrorists.
FBI crime stats are pretty hard to fudge, unlike this 1984-ish blacklist vomited out of DHS.
the okc ordeal was not just the work of one man, timothy mcveigh. terry nichols, the elohmin city network and other militants were a part of that plot.
there were a number of mass killings by immigrants in recent years. should we keep a sharp eye on all immigrant communities?
funny how the DHS report never examined the evidence for immigrant extremism.
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lurker:
i’m glad my hair color can be your crutch to substitute for actual funny cut downs. i know nothing about your physical appearance yet paint you as a clown. who wins? red wins.
the report was released to law enforcement on April 7. It makes its way into thre press on April 14 or 15? Obama somehow slowed the leak down until Tax Day? paranoid much?
it seems to me that some right wing blogger decided to out the report on tax day rather than obama choosing to do so. fwiw, i doubt obama had much input into this report. he’s got bigger fish to fry.
i knew nothing about this report coming out. i wasn’t hoping for anything. i see this report being discussed so fervently as right wingers making much ado about nothing. its a government issued report. one of hundreds a week. why is this getting so much play? i’d say it gets play because it feeds right into the right’s paranoia. i understand their feeling, they’re going to be on the lookout for such things, but their reaction has to be tempered by reason, which i’m trying to provide.
Ok. all else being equal, which “terrorist” act is more terrorism-like? one that kills more people or fewer people? in that case, islamic terrorists take the cake. second, at least insofar as this country is concerned, are right-wingish militants. left-wing extremists don’t even register for the past 30 years. harassing fur wearers and doing shit to animal labs is nowhere near the same league as right wingers.
““past performance does not indicate future results?”
–yes, moron, and blow me.”
funny how you gloss over my main point against your arguments. again, you’re going to tell me that past performance, past actions, aren’t solid indicators of future results?
again, World Trade Center I, USS Cole, US embassy bombings. do you see the trend of escalation before the big one?
McVeigh and his partners killed 169. a few other lone wolves and small groups have killed a couple of people here and there. the threat isn’t overwhelming, but the fact that they exist mixed with a black president, rising immigration, and a shitty economy create the perfect storm for which this type of report is appropriate.
again, lurker, past performance doesn’t indicate future results??
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So Dave…just wondering, have you read some Nietzsche? I find alot of what you said philosophically leaning that way…the sheep and all
Nicole aka Kutallah and IIRC resisdent pervent Tupac are big Nietzche fans.
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Engineer –
Libertarian. Low taxes. Low regulation. Low spending. Strong military. (I know that’s not libertarian).
You tried to insult me by showing I’m inconsistent. I disagree, but that’s okay. But you also made the point that we should be afraid of violence by ACORN because Stalin was violent. So….
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McVeigh, The Worst Person Ever…Ayers, a great guy though. The left ought to love McVeigh, he was able to do what they could never get done. He took down The Man, for real, not just some bullshit rallies or being targets for the national Guard. That schmuck Ayers and his idiot pal only managed to blow up that apartment in NYC.
As for idiots like chic noir thinking da Patherz was cool, juss you remember yo place in the movement sistah: Prone. Not my words either, you muthafuckaz…
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panther, being panther:
“No he didn’t, the man mispoke.”
–lmao rofl. How many times does the Obama team have to “misspeak” or “make a mistake” that immdeiately get forgiven and forgotten by you sheepish left wing nuts? He is LYING when he retracts.
Imagine if Bush did it. End scene.
“It’s damn shame middle age men get a kick out cof pointing out when Nobama’s team lies and lies again. ”
–FTFY, bitch.
“To bad I am only one woman. ”
—I’m sure you’ve had more than enough gangbangs, babe.
“Your need to insert blk this and blk that in almost everyone of your post lets me know you are delusional when it comes to blk folk. ”
—no, you do. The black panthers were one domestic terrorist hate group I pointed out in a litany. You picked them out and tried to defend their drug dealing, prostitution running,r obbing, theiving, violent terrorist asses. I presented facts to contradict and you merely stomped your feet and called me a racist. Typical Nobama supporter: no logic, all accusations of racism.
“Get over yourself, “we” don’t hate you or want to kill you because your white.”
–never said you did, panther. unless you actually are a panther, in which case, yes you do.
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i’d say it gets play because it feeds right into the right’s paranoia.
Yeah, much more overblown than the Patriot Act wig outs…
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This is unrelated to the current post, but the forthcoming New York Times Sunday magazine has a lengthy piece about an online site for Sugar Daddies and and Sugar Babies to meet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/magazine/12sugardaddies-t.html?pagewanted=1&hpw
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high yellow,
you hit on a point that has been unformed in my head as of yet.
i get the feeling that right-wing extremists, perhaps out of stronger principles or beliefs or what have you, are more willing to give it all up for the sake of their cause. this is what makes jihadists such a threat. they will die for their cause. if a man is willing to die for his cause, there’s really no stopping him.
left-wingers, at least in this country today, don’t give off that vibe. i can’t picture any left wingers willing to give up much for their principles.
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Chuck, being a dumbass lefty today:
“the report was released to law enforcement on April 7. It makes its way into thre press on April 14 or 15? Obama somehow slowed the leak down until Tax Day? paranoid much?”
–never meant to imply it was on the same day. By April 7th, the Tea Party protests were already planned for April 15th. A Week before? A report about right wing terror with no facts? Are you really pretending to be that stupid, or is it natural?
” fwiw, i doubt obama had much input into this report. he’s got bigger fish to fry.”
–yes, like attacking rush limbaugh. Um, sorry, Nobama is a pretty petty guy by all signs, this has his team’s fingerprints all over it.
“its a government issued report. one of hundreds a week. why is this getting so much play?”
—Read Roissy’s comments how merely opposing a government initiative might get you arrested. Read how all right wingers are now eveil, and paranoia, factless assertions in it. Its a hit job designed to invoke paranoia.
” i understand their feeling, they’re going to be on the lookout for such things, but their reaction has to be tempered by reason, which i’m trying to provide. ”
–lol. you’re trying to defend this as a valid report, instead of what it is: factless propaganda.
“Ok. all else being equal, which “terrorist” act is more terrorism-like? one that kills more people or fewer people? in that case, islamic terrorists take the cake.”
—and Ted Bundy killed more than the Boston Strangler. So I guess the B.S. is ok to be set free, right.
“harassing fur wearers and doing shit to animal labs is nowhere near the same league as right wingers. ”
—again chuck you have one weak example, McVeigh. I ask you for more proof. I have hundreds of eco-warriors putting nails in trees to injure lumber jack and peta blowing up labs. Got any counters?
” again, you’re going to tell me that past performance, past actions, aren’t solid indicators of future results? ”
—past performance of unrelated actors? No. Alquedas actions can be predicted because it is still a functioning organization right now. It blew things up previously, it will try that again most likely.
But claiming because Group A did X, and now Group A is gone, and Group B, which shares the ideology of Group A, is now around. that doesn’t prove Group B will do the same. To say so ina government report, without facts, is paranoia.
“again, World Trade Center I, USS Cole, US embassy bombings. do you see the trend of escalation before the big one? ”
—all perpetrated by the same organization: al queda. But to believe another Islamic organization unrelated to Alqueda will do the same without any evidence is pure and dangerous speculation.
” the threat isn’t overwhelming, but the fact that they exist mixed with a black president, rising immigration, and a shitty economy create the perfect storm for which this type of report is appropriate.”
–chuc, you moron, then facts should be easy to come by. The deartth of facts here show that the feds got nothing but propaganda, and are using it as a hammer against the right wing.
“again, lurker, past performance doesn’t indicate future results??”
–again, moron, not with diseparate organizations.
Chuck, you lose.
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No, haven’t gotten around to reading his work…I think my eyes were opened by doing some extensive reading based on Ron Paul’s campaign against the Federal Reserve…which is an unconstitutional, privately owned corporation that manipulates our economy like a conductor of a symphony.
I used to be a “right wing republican” sheeple. It took about 6 years of Dubya’s “compassionate conservatism” and watching the right wing punditry excuse, rationalize and justify Dubya’s expansion of the Government, borrow and spending budgetary excesses and the repeated violation of basic civil rights to get me to the point of unplugging from the game of two party politics.
We are being played by the elite-wealthy…the owners of the multi-national corporations and the central bankers that OWN the currencies of just about every first world country.
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Seeking said:
Engineer –
Libertarian. Low taxes. Low regulation. Low spending. Strong military. (I know that’s not libertarian).
You tried to insult me by showing I’m inconsistent. I disagree, but that’s okay. But you also made the point that we should be afraid of violence by ACORN because Stalin was violent. So….
Technically, I said you claimed to be a Republican because you wrote this:
Seeking Alpha Wrote:
Who is the traitor? Me, who philosophically believes in open borders, but votes Republican for low taxes and strong defense, works long hours so he can start a family young and produce many new Americans for the next generation… or Roissy, who philosophically believes in closed borders, but follows a lifestyle that – if practiced by everyone – would accelerate this country’s downward spiral.
And I said we should be aware of the ease with which ACORN members can cause violence because:
I said:
Well, you see, Chuck, ACORN is paid by the government to work with poor people.
So chances are an ACORN worker already knows a just out-of-jail young unemployed black criminal who is going to Reverend Wright’s Church of God D! America. If this ACORN worker was looking for someone willing to do something violent and stupid, then I can hardly think of a better candidate.
The counter-argument, used by both you and Chuck, is that liberals are just to good to do violence!
Or do you have any rational reason for your belief that liberals won’t engage in violence?
Why does this point matter so much to you, Seeking?
It’s a stupid claim, so why does it need to be defended with such ardency?
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“i get the feeling that right-wing extremists, perhaps out of stronger principles or beliefs or what have you, are more willing to give it all up for the sake of their cause”
—see chuck? your entire argument is based on feeling, not facts.
“left-wingers, at least in this country today, don’t give off that vibe. i can’t picture any left wingers willing to give up much for their principles”
–chuck, have you met members of the panthers? PETA? Communist party? Code Pink? .
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Dave from hawaii, much of what goers on in the government today is illegal. The New Deal is completely unconsitutional, but the courts are and were too cowardly to fight FDR. Much of the social programs and government agencies passed in its wake have been just as wrong.
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Engineer
The counter-argument, used by both you and Chuck, is that liberals are just to good to do violence!
I’m not sure who said that. I think they’re too passive-agressive and wimpy to do violence.
Or do you have any rational reason for your belief that liberals won’t engage in violence?
I have a rational reason for why neither liberals nor conservatives will engage in terrorism. Because you’re likely to get caught. I could be wrong.
I said that neither liberals nor conservatives are particular cause for concern and the only thing I worry about is jihadists. Is that particularly controversial?
Why does this point matter so much to you, Seeking?
I could ask why you’re so focused on me, Mr. Engineer. But I don’t really care, about you or the point. Just an… interesting… way to kill free time at work. But I’m almost done, so I think I’ll go get a drink and go home, instead of waiting for a follow-up.
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What Dave From Hawaii said.
I can’t stand you fucking cheerleaders on EITHER side of the aisle. Fucking pom-pom waving cheerleaders for your “team.”
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Or you can compare/contrast McVeigh and Mumia. One was, as I said, The Worst Person Ever and the other at worst, just some confused guy made a mistake.
For the left (which claims to be against Capital punishment), McVeigh had to be executed as his ashes scattered to the wind as quickly as possible, no delay! But lefties and liberals come out of the woodwork for Mumia with claims that he may have been framed by the PPD or mob, etc…
As I said, the Left should love McVeigh, he makes Ayers and Mumia (and the rest) look like chumps.
And the reason why the left doesn’t ever really risk their lives these days is easy: They are in power for the most part. Ayers gets off because his antics are just looked at as kid stuff and softer lefties can live vicariously through him as well. Mumia is just a tool of the left. He is useful.
PS: I don’t think we’ll see too many more muslim suicide attacks. Look to the Bombay model. You get a better caliber of person if they have a chance of living. Not that these guys won’t risk their lives, but they won’t just go up with the bomb either.
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you shouldn’t get too made at comment_douchebag for making personal attacks. its the only time anyone acknowledges his comments. otherwise he usually just ends up ignored and talking to himself.
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“By April 7th, the Tea Party protests were already planned for April 15th. A Week before? A report about right wing terror with no facts? Are you really pretending to be that stupid, or is it natural?”
if i were stupid, it would in no way compare to yours.
yeah, the 24 hour news cycle is really conducive to keeping a minor government report in the limelight.
well maybe the messiah is as omniscient as advertised and he foresaw that it would take a few days for the report to hit the news cycle, perfectly coinciding with Tax Day.
“Read Roissy’s comments how merely opposing a government initiative might get you arrested. ”
who has been arrested? when someone is arrested you break the news right here on roissy ok?
“Its a hit job designed to invoke paranoia. ”
Wait, are you talking about Code Red, Code Orange from Bush’s term? Oh, no, wait, we’re not, we’re talking about Obama. Sorry, I had a flashback.
“factless propaganda. ”
who gave this story traction? was it put up by any of the so called left wing media? no, it was outed by a right wing blogger. i don’t see obama or dhs using this report as propaganda. for successful propaganda, the propagandists need one crucial component: exposure. unless the right wing blogger beat them to the punch, DHS only intended this for law enforcement, not the public.
“and Ted Bundy killed more than the Boston Strangler. So I guess the B.S. is ok to be set free, right.”
you’re right. i should have said “who is more terrorist like, groups that kill *any* people or groups who kill *none*? ” islamists first, right wingers second, huge gap between the also-rans.
“I have hundreds of eco-warriors putting nails in trees to injure lumber jack and peta blowing up labs. Got any counters?”
sure, i have abortion clinic bombings and shootings. in the town i live in, george tiller was shot coming out of his abortion clinic. throughout the years his clinic has been picketed by protestors on a constant basis. i have the phelps’ family protesting gays and military funerals (if we’re going to use your metric of terrorism to include harrassment i’ll include the phelps). i have neo-nazi hate groups, the kkk, aryan brotherhood, etc.
“Alquedas actions can be predicted because it is still a functioning organization right now.’
Idiot. Al Queda is nothing more than a blanket term for *disparate* groups of Islamofascists. You think they have an annual Al Queda conference or something? No. They are dispersed all over the world. Its agents probably never come into contact with other agents during their whole lives. There is no one person calling the shots. In the same way, right-wing extremist groups are dispersed all over the country. there was elohmin city in oklahoma which tim mcveigh had ties to. he had ties to terry nichols in kansas who had ties to some guys in michigan. elohmin city is an aryan network that has ties to other groups and was responsible for the murder of alan berg, a radio show host and subject of several movies.
terrorist cells, by necessity, do not form large cumbersome groups which is why peta and acorn are not good examples of terrorist organizations. they are too easily found out if they get too big. too many people talk. the weather underground and black panthers were too big to be effective terrorist organizations, which is why the DHS report points out that lone wolves and small cells are the real threat.
so no, i can’t point out large groups of right wingers, that’s because they don’t exist because of their more violent agenda.
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The federal government and its creeping left wing socialism has destroyed the black middle class family and will do the same to this new generation of whites and latinos.
The black middle class that didn’t really exist in the first place?
Per the principles of race realism, sans welfare, we’d simply end up with poor working or unemployable blacks due to the fact that their low IQ prohibits them from being employed in jobs that pay middle class or high prole wages.
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“.yeah, the 24 hour news cycle is really conducive to keeping a minor government report in the limelight.”
—right, giving the media a week to digest the report and have it in the back of their brains to use to discredit the protesters and talk about right-wing extremists is in no way a political ploy. Also, santa claus is real.
“who has been arrested? when someone is arrested you break the news right here on roissy ok?”
“Wait, are you talking about Code Red, Code Orange from Bush’s term?”
—nice try, chuckie baby, but Code Red was about saving lives, not about targeting democrats.
“who gave this story traction? was it put up by any of the so called left wing media? no, it was outed by a right wing blogger. i don’t see obama or dhs using this report as propaganda.”
—right, and all the talk about tea partiers being right hate groups and extremists came out of thin air.
” unless the right wing blogger beat them to the punch, DHS only intended this for law enforcement, not the public.”
–then why present no facts but mere conjecture and conclusion? A: it useless for law enforcement, useful for propaganda.
“you’re right. i should have said “who is more terrorist like, groups that kill *any* people or groups who kill *none*? ” islamists first, right wingers second, huge gap between the also-rans.”
–no proof of the 2nd, but keep trying.
“I have hundreds of eco-warriors putting nails in trees to injure lumber jack and peta blowing up labs. Got any counters?”
“i have the phelps’ family protesting gays and military funerals (if we’re going to use your metric of terrorism to include harrassment i’ll include the phelps)”. i have neo-nazi hate groups, the kkk, aryan brotherhood, etc.”
–once again, scarlett avenger, you twist my words. i said threats of violence or acts of violence designed to intimidate. Protesting without violence or threatening (e.g. a peaceful sit ins and marches) is not.
Plus, the phelps thing is a wacko religious groups attacking the military, so right wing? no. religious based.
And again, red, what examples of recent large scale kkk/aryan brotherhood violence can you name?
“Alquedas actions can be predicted because it is still a functioning organization right now.’
“Idiot. Al Queda is nothing more than a blanket term for *disparate* groups of Islamofascists.”
—absolutely false. this is an organization of cells, funded by Bin Laden and other wealthy sympathizers, that train at the same sites around the world. Al-Queda is decentralized but linked and funded together. Your argument is like arguing that because ACLU San Fran and ACLU boston are in different places, they are completel separate.
You lose, ginger boy.
. “In the same way, right-wing extremist groups are dispersed all over the country. there was elohmin city in oklahoma which tim mcveigh had ties to. he had ties to terry nichols in kansas who had ties to some guys in michigan. elohmin city is an aryan network that has ties to other groups and was responsible for the murder of alan berg, a radio show host and subject of several movies.”
—lol. the VRWC. And I am connected to Will Smith by 6 degrees.
if the KKK Wisconsin did something and KKK Kentucky helped, that’s a terrorist organization. This crap your spewing is typical left-wing paranoia that you’ll eventually link to Fox News.
“terrorist cells, by necessity, do not form large cumbersome groups which is why peta and acorn are not good examples of terrorist organizations”
—except that they use violence and threats of violence to accomplish political goals. terrorism.
“the weather underground and black panthers were too big to be effective terrorist organizations, ”
—right, just a few killings, nothing to see here! Bill Ayers is forgiven, and his protoge is president.
“which is why the DHS report points out that lone wolves and small cells are the real threat.”
–The report is basically “well, we have no proof, so here’s our pretend left-wing fantasy.”
“so no, i can’t point out large groups of right wingers, that’s because they don’t exist because of their more violent agenda.”
—lmao. Chuck admits he 1) has no proof of a VRWC but asserts that 2) its because he has no proof that it precisely exists.
Does the kool-aid taste better with the tinfoil hat on or off, boy?
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Yes this report is political. It’s designed to smear the Tea Party people. Same kind of stuff came down from Clinton. Yes the right is more likely to be able to pull of violence (right wing groups tend to have more complaint people).
But Dave from Hawaii is right, this shit is pretty much small change compared to the changes to our culture will end the greatness that America has been.
I had always wondered how the population in the western roman empire had declined so much to allow a small group of peoples (mostly franks and German tribes) to outnumber the Romans. I read of no famines killing off most of the west. No sicknesses of note. But today I think it’s the fact they failed to marry and reproduce that did them in.
Before Rome perished there were some major changes:
Men stopped getting Married. Un-married men had no reason to support and protect the larger state. Corruption grew, the economy crashed and the barbarians came over the walls.
This may be our fate as well. Live long and have many kids.
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Mel Gibson and his wife of more than 25 years are getting divorced in California it seems. It appears they’ve been quite unhappy and incompatible together for the last several years, at least.
He’s worth around 1 billion apparently.
The idea that he might have to give his wife half of that is just nauseating. No wife earns that kind of money by being a wife. It’s beyond obscene. This would never have been conceivable before the feminist changes to divorce law in the early 90’s, through out the country by model statue, with federal inducements, under the banner slogan of “dead beat dads”.
Like Gibson or hate his isn’t the point. This possibility of her getting half a billion for merely being his wife, rather than her own accomplishments or lack thereof, is ABSOLUTELY OBSCENE.
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In other breaking news (well, 6 months old).
Elon Musk’s wife Justine has decided to divorce him.
Elon Musk is an immigrant to the US (from South Africa), and by age 31, netted a personal fortune of $300M by selling the company he founded, PayPal.
After that, his other THREE companies, SpaceX, SolarCity, and Tesla Motors, seem to be doing well enough to be in contention for initial payoffs. He is capable enough to found, and manage, 3 companies at once.
With his wife Justine, he also has FIVE kids. Yes, FIVE, all boys.
He is clearly one of the most successful entrepreneurs Silicon Valley has ever had, and has done a ton at a very early age (he is now 37).
He is also a moderately handsome man. Not nerdy in appearance the way Bill Gates or Steve Jobs is.
But the divorce laws are such that his wife Justine has decided that the financial payoff is large enough to justify a decision to divorce, despite having 5 kids between the ages of 1 and 6.
My god. First Hulk Hogan and now this. No man is safe.
Elon is now living with his new girlfriend, a British TV actress 14 years younger than him, but still. He had FIVE kids with Justine!!
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dougn they have 10 children togeather, she needs some money but maybe not half.
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Doug, I agree in principle but in this case, Gibson’s wife gave him seven children. Counts for something. And I don’t know the circumstances & motivations behind the divorce.
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He is also a moderately handsome man.
*spoken like clay davis*
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Not nerdy in appearance the way Bill Gates or Steve Jobs is.
Tood are you kidding me.
google jessie medcalf for a pic of a handsome man.
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chic noir,
We are talking about entrepreneurs. Comparing him to a movie star or male model is unfair.
It would be like saying you are ugly because you do not compare to Iman or Halle Berry.
Show some intellectual honesty here.
Also, stick to the subject at hand – that divorce laws are extremely unfair to men, and that a severe backlash against feminism (both passive (marriage strike) and active (Game/pre-nups/violence/Islam) will occur in the next decade.
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–This crap your spewing is typical left-wing paranoia that you’ll eventually link to Fox News.–
Already done:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21275.html
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PA
I would never suggest that a man that rich should give his ex wife nothing, or less than several million after that long a marriage and many kids, if it were his decision.
But HALF a BILLION???
I also don’t know who’s filed or specificially why the divorce. Assume for the moment that after years of feeling as a good Catholic that he should preserve the marriage no matter what, Gibson felt he just couldn’t live with her any more, and wanted to be free.
What do you PA think she should get under a fair divorce law under those circumstances?
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I said:
Or do you have any rational reason for your belief that liberals won’t engage in violence?
Seeking said:
I have a rational reason for why neither liberals nor conservatives will engage in terrorism. Because you’re likely to get caught. I could be wrong.
I said that neither liberals nor conservatives are particular cause for concern and the only thing I worry about is jihadists. Is that particularly controversial?
I said violence, not terrorism, seeky. And you said violence, to:
Seeking said:
On that point you are correct. Right wing groups are certainly more likely to use violence. Left wing groups don’t use violence for the most part.
Having surrendered the point that liberals are perfectly willing to use violence, Seeking now claims liberals are unwilling to use terrorism. Right now in this country.
Whatever.
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Do NOT get married unless :
1) The woman makes comparable money to you
2) You get a SOLID pre-nup, with lawyers on both sides
3) You have moderate Game.
Only if all 3 conditions are met, should marriage be risked. Points 1) and 2) are both needed, as either one by itself is not sufficient in reducing risk. Both combined are the only way to reduce risk to acceptable levels.
Mel Gibson, Elon Musk, Hulk Hogan. All very ‘Alpha’ men in their own way : world-famous, 9-digit net worths, but still.
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I have no idea how much she should get as I don’t know their situation. Also divorce settlements aren’t something I’ve given much thought to.
But they met and married shortly after he finished filming Mad Max (as I recall) so she isn’t in a category of Paul McCartney’s ex-wife who married him afterh he had already made his money and grabbed it in divorce court.
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Dave Alex,
I don’t know if you know this, but there has been a real Black Middle Class for quite sometime here in America; it just got bigger during the Nixon and Regan years.
The whole Race Realism thing is something disaffected White guys use as salve on their egos in order to explain why their such abject failures in life.
Don’t believe the hype.
O
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I understand his wife isn’t catholic, but episcopalian, which might have caused a lot of problems as Gibson became a further and further committed Traditionalist Catholic. In a Barbara Walters interview, he admitted that he necessarily believes his wife is going to hell (which is true for most religions, just extreme to say it out loud, especially about your wife).
P.S. he’s so rich from Passion of the Christ. Studios didn’t want to release it, seeing as too controversial and thinking religious movies didn’t do well. So Mel released it himself, via DVD packages to churches –i.e. boxes of it at a discount for the parish or congregation (any denomination could buy it). It exploded, and Mel not only got to keep the proceeds as director/writer/producer, but also the usual studio cut was his as well. overnight he became the richest man in hollywood.
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“On that point you are correct. Right wing groups are certainly more likely to use violence. Left wing groups don’t use violence for the most part.”
!!!!BULL–FUCKING–SHIT!!!
Right-wing groups are ALWAYS more peaceful than left-wing groups.
Almost all historical genocides were done my left-wing regimes. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il-Sung, etc. Were all left-wing. Yes, Hitler was LEFT-WING (despite leftist revisionism).
Only Mussolini and Pinochet were right-wing, but hey, they weren’t as violent as their lefty contemporaries.
Have a Bush bumper sticker in the Bay Area, and your car WILL get vandalized.
Have an Obama sticker parked in front of an NRA gathering, and you will still be quite safe.
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Larry Auster has more on violent student protestors as the militant arm of the leftist establishment:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012991.html
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Men stopped getting Married. Un-married men had no reason to support and protect the larger state. Corruption grew, the economy crashed and the barbarians came over the walls.
Well, that’s the thing. Even as somebody who is 100% likely to ever be married, I would support and protect the larger state because I am a free ride and de facto parasite of the current status quo. As long as the Internet still works, electricity is on 24/7, porn is easily available, roads are drivable, and electrified rail still runs, I’ll be content, and I’ll do anything to defend that way of life.
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I’ll do anything to defend that way of life.
So you are an immigration restrictionist. I knew you’d come around.
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PA
I gave you a hypothetical situation. What more do you need or want?
You don’t need fine details when dealing with this kind of money. You’re weaseling. Why DON”T you give this divorce property settlement issue some thought.
Hint, it’s only in the Anglosphere lead by America (nowhere else in the Anglosphere before America’s early 90’s feminist divorce law changes and everywhere else in it entirely because of that) that such a property division at this level is conceivable.
I continue to ask you PA, what’s your gut as to what would be fair for her?
I’ll tell you my answer. First of all I assume that half of the kids are of age. I’d say 25 million or so would be more than fair, and would in fact be a handsome. Maybe 50 million. That’s the absolute non obscene limit, to me, considering his wealth.
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Doug, don’t get worked up with me. I don’t care about Gibson’s divorce. For the record I have a similar position to yours on divorce-theft, no-fault, etc.
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“”””””””””””””””Tood
Have a Bush bumper sticker in the Bay Area, and your car WILL get vandalized.
Have an Obama sticker parked in front of an NRA gathering, and you will still be quite safe.””””””””””””
That is on it right there.
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PA–
I’m not upset with you at all. I’m just trying to get you to engage the question. Because it matters. If fifty fifty splits are seen as fair and normal at that level, what chance is there of change at lower levels?
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All very ‘Alpha’ men in their own way
Maybe they’re not really alpha. 🙂
I don’t know if you know this, but there has been a real Black Middle Class for quite sometime here in America; it just got bigger during the Nixon and Regan years.
It existed, but the problem was that historically, it has generally been a small segment of the black community.
So you are an immigration restrictionist. I knew you’d come around.
There’s something highly hypocritical about a being the child of an immigrant, and saying “fuck you, go suffer” to somebody else down the line who is essentially no different than my parents.
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There’s something highly hypocritical about a being the child of an immigrant, and saying “fuck you, go suffer” to somebody else down the line who is essentially no different than my parents.
Not at all. An immigrant’s loyalty belongs to the nation that took him in, not to foreigners clamoring to get in on the party.
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“Hint, it’s only in the Anglosphere lead by America (nowhere else in the Anglosphere before America’s early 90’s feminist divorce law changes and everywhere else in it entirely because of that)”
True, but other places have other types of bad laws.
In India, for example, since some women are abused over dowry, the government, with the best of intentions (as usual, of course), passed a law that the mere accusation of dowry extortion by the man’s family, can get both the man AND his parents tossed in jail (even if the parents are elderly). Plus, the parents would be sent to jail FIRST, and then have to worry about proving themselves innocent later (which could take years).
Lo and behold, a lot of women used this to extort from their husband’s parents. The abuse became rampant and now the law is slowly being revised.
So this is actually worse than ‘no fault’. In the Anglosphere, a woman at least can toss her husband’s parents into jail.
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” woman at least can toss her husband’s parents into jail.”
I mean CANNOT toss….
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Doug, I don’t know and I don’t care. I don’t like feminism, divorce-theft, no-fault divorce, bitch judges, or mercenary cunt ex-wives. I’m with you on all that. Beyond that, I don’t know or care enough to debate this because it’s not one of those subjects that animates me.
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“Not at all. An immigrant’s loyalty belongs to the nation that took him in, not to foreigners clamoring to get in on the party.”
Try telling that to La Raza. Or Muslims in any Western country. Or to some white SWPL liberal faggot.
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Dave Alex,
We also have to bear in mind that the Black Middle Class was under violent assault by one of America’s premier terrorist groups, the Ku Klux Klan. And basically irate White folk. Please see the Black Wall Street riots in Oklahoma, for starters.
Black folks have lived on Martha’s Vineyard going back at least to the 50s. And today, most Black folk would be considered middle class, despite the clinging to the stereotype of “underclass” Black folk being the majority. In truth, *they* are the numerical minority.
O
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dougjnI gave you a hypothetical situation. What more do you need or want?
You don’t need fine details when dealing with this kind of money
dougjn you are cool and all but…….
Um I’m going to need you to back up off PA. He is one of the coolest guys here. While the rest of us get our blood pressure soaring(hi lurker and willard) he manages to always stay cool.
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“nice try, chuckie baby, but Code Red was about saving lives, not about targeting democrats. ”
Code Red is fear-mongering which you say is the point of the DHS report. The DHS report isn’t targeting Republicans, its merely saying that there’s a good chance that right-wingish fringe groups might use the current conditions to foster growth in their groups’ numbers. Why is this so difficult for you to wrap your head around?
People like you and roissy and other right wingers are creating a VLWC assuming that liberals are trying to bait *all* conservatives with this. you’re the ones giving this report a full head of steam and assigning intent when it looks to me like a report stating nothing but the obvious.
“right, and all the talk about tea partiers being right hate groups and extremists came out of thin air.”
whoever said that tea partiers were hate groups or extremists is just as crazy as you are. i’m not going to defend the liberal media on anything they may or may not have said about the tea parties. i just think you’re crazy if you think there was a link between this minor report and the timing of the tea parties.
“i said threats of violence or acts of violence designed to intimidate.”
so you’re more intimidated by peta members setting smoke bombs in animal labs or spray painting fur coats than you are some skin head or klansman putting a burning cross in someone’s yard or hanging a noose on someone’s door. usually these are empty threats, but that threat is more real than anything peta can do.
the phelps aren’t dangerous, but they are right wing. they hope to create a purist christian nation that abides by their own perverted translation of the bible.
“except that they use violence and threats of violence to accomplish political goals. terrorism.”
i still haven’t seen you post anything about peta or acorn harming any human in recent memory. threats of violence without works is empty. until peta or acorn do some damage to people, don’t step to me with that.
“right, just a few killings, nothing to see here! Bill Ayers is forgiven, and his protoge is president.”
so you claim 6 degrees of separation when it comes to mcveigh and his conspirators, who committed crimes *after* meeting, but you don’t see the same thing when you try to compare ayers and obama, the latter of which committed crimes *before* their meeting?
If you’re worried about biasedness in DHS, check this report out. It was published January 26, 2009:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Threat.pdf#page=4
Reported by Fox News. Was this considered fear-mongering? Also note that left wingers are feared for their use of cyberterrorism. Of course, cyberterror is not a good thing, but it’s a lot less harmful than murder and mayhem.
So who is drinking the Kool-aid? who is taking their talking points from Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin? (Red pointing at lurker and roissy).
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Excellent response(read below), dave from hawaii.
That is why i think the worst idiots on this site are:
Dougjnn and Lurker.
These two are dumber than a bag of broken crayons. On top of it, they both think screaming and yelling like a crazed chihuahua bitches makes them come across as smart and “alpha”.
Few things are as irritating as dumb chicks who thinks they are smart. Lurker and Dougjnn are dumber than a circle of dumb chicks sucking on their own used tampons like candies.
Often mistaking who can shout the loudest for being “alpha”.
Dave from hawaii quotes(below) sums up my believes concisely:
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I used to be a “right wing republican” sheeple. It took about 6 years of Dubya’s “compassionate conservatism” and watching the right wing punditry excuse, rationalize and justify Dubya’s expansion of the Government, borrow and spending budgetary excesses and the repeated violation of basic civil rights to get me to the point of unplugging from the game of two party politics.
We are being played by the elite-wealthy…the owners of the multi-national corporations and the central bankers that OWN the currencies of just about every first world country.
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Meanwhile at the University of North Carolina Tom Tancredo had his right to free speech denied by “protesters.” Apparently these people are not “extremists?”
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2009/04/15/unc-officals-respond-to-tancredo-incident/
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Gord:
if you want to toss around the word “extremist” and have it lose all of its meaning, much like the words “awesome” “amazing” or even “terrorist” have, then sure, they’re extremists.
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some skin head or klansman putting a burning cross in someone’s yard or hanging a noose on someone’s door. usually these are empty threats,
Yes, usually the noose is an empty threat – because the supposed “victim” is the one who put it there.
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I think Gord umbilical cORD is strangling him. Cutting off oxygen to his brain.
The only thing he knows how to do, like a retard, is drink soda and masturbate in a corner.
I am sure, lurker can lick off his man’s yogurt from the floor when Gord is done.
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—“who is taking their talking points from Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin? (Red pointing at lurker and roissy).”—
I don’t know. But they sure as hell better work on it. The right has nothing like that members only JournoList. Now that is a true party organ…
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This is a great post. Great great post.
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off topic
darth maul dumber than a bag of broken crayons
Oh God I am so stealing this^^^. The next time someone pisses me off I’m sooooo going to hurl this at them.
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Council of Foreign Relations, published on their blog in 2008.
Some salient passages:
“The FBI says that anarchist and socialist groups with an anticapitalist and antiimperialist stance have diminished over the last several years and pose less of a threat than in the past.”
“The FBI reports that eight of the fourteen terrorist acts prevented between 2002 and 2005 were planned by right-wing groups. The others ranged from an anarchist plan to bomb a Coast Guard station, a prison-gang attempt to attack military and Jewish targets around Los Angeles, and a few people who attempted, individually, to establish ties with al-Qaeda.”
“Although environmental extremists were responsible for nearly all the domestic terrorist attacks between 2002 and 2005, right-wing extremists are still considered the most dangerous to the United States, says the SPLC.”
(note the CFR and FBI consider the SPLC a reliable source, that’s up for debate)
“Right-wing extremist attacks are planned to target people, and if successfully carried out, intend to kill many civilians. Ecoterrorist attacks, on the other hand, aim to sabotage the infrastructure of businesses and corporations that endanger the earth; the groups do not aim to kill massive amounts of people.”
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Not at all. An immigrant’s loyalty belongs to the nation that took him in, not to foreigners clamoring to get in on the party.
It’s different for you. Poland isn’t a massive hellhole… 😦
Regardless, accepting people from varying backgrounds is what I grew up with as an American ideal, and I don’t see how being pro-legal immigrant is magically being disloyal.
Besides, a lot of a claims thrown around by anti-immigration activists are based on race realism and reek of a “you and your people are inferior and broken” sentiment.
Black folks have lived on Martha’s Vineyard going back at least to the 50s
Yet, as I stated earlier, did this middle class form 50% of the black community? Did it even exist at percentages as low as 25% or even 15%?
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In the upcoming civil war, I have a lot of scores to settle: blacks, SWPLs, tax collectors. It’s gonna be sweet.
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“””””Tood,
In India, for example, since some women are abused over dowry, the government, with the best of intentions (as usual, of course), passed a law that the mere accusation of dowry extortion by the man’s family, can get both the man AND his parents tossed in jail (even if the parents are elderly). Plus, the parents would be sent to jail FIRST, and then have to worry about proving themselves innocent later (which could take years).
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Are you serious? I got to go talk to some indians that would be some wierd shit.
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Tarl,
Oh, come on. You mean to tell me, that every single noose hung someplace, was put there by the victime, rather than the KKK? You got any evidence to support that, please?
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Here are some salient words from former FBI director Louis Freeh:
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/freeh051001.htm
“Right-wing extremists continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremists. In December 1999, individuals associated with an anti-government group and who were planning to attack a large propane storage facility in Elk Grove, California, were arrested by the Sacramento Joint Terrorism Task Force. When arrested, these individuals were in possession of detonation cord, blasting caps, grenade hulls, weapons, and various chemicals, including ammonium nitrate.”
i’ll let you read the rest for yourselves. as you read these things you start to realize that left-wing groups have been marginalized since the 1980s and they usually focus on infrastructural damage compared to right-wing groups which focus on human casualty.
the government put out a report pointing out that right-wing groups could flare up given our political and economic circumstances. people who identify with right of center issues (not to be confused with right wing extremists) took this as a shot at them. i don’t think that was the intention of the DHS or this report. it’s merely a *proactive* attempt at shedding light on a possibly destructive scenario.
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“Although environmental extremists were responsible for nearly all the domestic terrorist attacks between 2002 and 2005, right-wing extremists are still considered the most dangerous to the United States, says the SPLC.”
(note the CFR and FBI consider the SPLC a reliable source, that’s up for debate
Just about says it all…
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Mark in Ark- saidIn the upcoming civil war, I have a lot of scores to settle: blacks, SWPLs, tax collectors. It’s gonna be sweet.
Mark in Ark, settle a score with your hormones and get yourself a woman. Once you have a sweet release all your hatred of _&_&_ will evaporate.
FYI, when you make your points without including racial and religious hatred you make some sense.
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Good, Mark in Ark; I and my personal aresnal will be waiting for you…
*pulls slide back on Kalishnakov*
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Chuck, I’m so glad you cited the Council of Foreign Relations! Do you fail to recognize that the CFR is in actuality the REAL power behind the scenes? Our de facto shadow government?
That every President since it’s inception, Republican AND Democrat, has been a member of the CFR?
Now the picture becomes all the more clearer.
Google “FEMA Concentration Camps”
Consider this latest memo regarding a ‘right wing extremist’ threat.
Connect the dots:
Our left wing/pro-socialist Democrat President and rubber stamp, Donkey-dominated congress will now have the power, authority and justification to brand any and all political opponents as “threats.”
And you and all the other democrat kool-aid drinkers will be cheering as the hated “right wingers” are hauled off to FEMA camps.
Only, you’ll wake up one day and realize that the Government that has seized the power to brand ANYONE as a “threat” will than turn it’s sights on people like YOU for any arbitrary reason it gives.
Than you’ll realize that you excused, rationalized and justified Police State USA – because they fooled you into thinking “right wing extremists” were the number one threat to this country.
The number one threat to this country are the elite wealthy super rich (the owners of the CFR) who want to subsume the US into a one world-global government.
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Look, right-wing militia groups do not have to do anything to deal with Obama and the liberals. The Muslim terrorists will do the work of the milita groups for them. Once the Taliban or the Pakis or the Saudis successfully nuke New York City, the swpl/liberal/leftist/Democrat problem will then disappear.
People keep talking about 9/11 like its some kind of great tragedy. Don’t they realize that the vast majority of people who died were all liberal scum? After all, New York is not just any Democrat city…it is the capital of progressive liberalism. All of its major industries…art…publishing…finance…education…are left-wing institutions. Even the Republicans there are liberal turncoats.
Obama’s open-border policies guarantee that NYC is a smoldering nuclear crater.
Just wait…and enjoy.
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“Are you serious? I got to go talk to some indians that would be some wierd shit.”
Oh yes. Google the term ‘498A’. It is the section of the Indian code that that law comes under.
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Chic Noir
I appreciate the “cool”.
Nonetheless, your motives are beyond suspect, re: my convo with PA.
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Obsidian, are you seriously trying to have an actual argument with a log of stupid called tarl?
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Mark in Ark,
LOL. I look forward to that myself….with the intentions of hanging some good folks(people like you) upside down, gutting you literarily, then strangulating you with your own intestinal cords. While your mom watches.
Seriously, you think you are the only person that is violent? the only person that can use a gun? You must be high on the glue you just sniffed off your sister’s buttcrack.
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—Good, Mark in Ark; I and my personal aresnal will be waiting for you…
*pulls slide back on Kalishnakov—
BTW:
“arsenal”
“Kalashnikov”
I don’t think you have one. Do some research…
Also, how come no more “holla back” shit? You’ve really changed your writing style…
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very funny post……………….i laughed out loud
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dougjnI appreciate the “cool”.
The disscussions you, Z and I had over at 2blowhards taught me or opened me up to a few things.
Nonetheless, your motives are beyond suspect, re: my convo with PA.
How so. PA really is as cool as a cucumber I can’t recall him every getting salty with anyone. Even DA has let loose a few times but never PA.
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Because tood you do realize that if that is the case this woman and law taking money putting men in jail thing has almost gone worldwide.
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Darth Maul,
Yea, I know. One of my weaknesses is trying to reason with folk. Gotta work on that.
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dave And you and all the other democrat kool-aid drinkers will be cheering as the hated “right wingers” are hauled off to FEMA camps
Do you really believe this Dave.
I recall reading that there a move to turn all of North, Central and South American on to one currency. That currency will be our version of the Euro.
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Go back to shuffling papers Morris Dees. Obviously you know nothing about firearms and small arms. The AK-47 is world reknown as one tough, accurate, durable and very simple weapon to operate and maintain, especially the later variants that replaced the wood stocks w/plastic and lighter materials. You can put up a veritable wall of lead w/an AK.
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z
very funny post……………….i laughed out loud
Let’s have your take. I enjoy reading your opinions. Your a very good writer.
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Yea dave if that would happen hopefully they would have the decency to kill them. That is what I can’t fucking stand about the west. No killing of prisoners. Just all about torture.
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Roissy:
1. chuck:
i’m not going to pretend that the report wasn’t politically motivated to some extent. the plain fact is, there is a very plausible argument to be made that law enforcement (the people this report was intended for before a blogger outed it) should be aware of these issues.
“according to the logic of the DHS report, if i advocate for immigration restriction i could be smeared as a terrorist.”
Why do you assume this logic? Speaking out against immigration is one thing, but grabbing your gun and aiming it at the border is another.
“this is because the report is based on nothing more than ideological axe-grinding and propagandist fervor worthy of riefenstahl, devoid of facts and entirely supported by nebulous claims of “largely rhetorical” threats.”
Does this surprise you about anything put out by the government? Given that it is just another government report, it should receive the same attention as those – none. This report is assuming that what happened after the Gulf War, a Democratic president, globalization arguments, weakened economy, and a large influx of veterans, applies to our current situation. Perhaps the threats are rhetorical, at least insofar as they are reported in this report, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
“ this maneuver by obama’s magic activist moonbat team is straight outta saul alinsky’s rules for radicals.”
See my above post where I point to the similar report of left-wing extremists issued January 26. It happened under Obama’s watch, but it was surely in the works pre-Obama.
“emotional self-bias is a more powerful force than the sex drive. at least the sex drive has a refractory period.”
I’m not biased. To tell you the truth, I hope this country suffers, I just don’t want it to be at the hands of groups whose goal is mass death. It’s not because I’m such a humanitarian, its because I don’t want that shit messing up my life.
“the $plc is an anti-white gentile hate organization, dedicated to the total and complete dismantling of core american culture and all too eager to use the tools of guilt by association, slander, libel, and outright lies to further its sick, twisted agenda.
quoting them will only serve to discredit your argument.”
I cited that $plc isn’t the most unbiased source, but it still follows these things. At worst, their estimates on hate groups is still an extra piece of information and input that we didn’t have before.
“no, his minions did. obama can plausibly wash his hands of it if the heat gets turned up.
and i wouldn’t say it was so much fear mongering as it was a devious political ploy to smear any mounting opposition in the walkup to obama’s grander lefty plans for the nation.”
Grander lefty plans for the nation is an arguable point. I just question whether Obama knew *anything* about this report before it came out. The DHS report specifically discusses right wing *extremists*. Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, the Tea Partiers are not extremists. When those types of people start getting hauled off to jail then I’ll take note. Until then, they have to expect some sort of friction for their actions and words.
“would a rational interpretation of available facts and previous patterns demand the immediate closing of the southern border and the deportation of the tens of millions of mestizo illegals currently squatting in the US? because there are far more “available facts” and “previous patterns” that those immigrants commit violent crime at a rate 3x the non-hispanic white native population than there are available facts supporting the DHS’s contention of a rise of violent neo nazi right wing terrorists”
Fair point, but does the fact that right wing extremists don’t account for that many murders make it an irrelevant problem? Unfortunately, because of the scope of DHS, FBI, etc they have many groups and issues to deal with. We are discussing right wing extremists because right wing media people brought out the report and got pissy about it. If Obama was up there touting the threat of right wing extremists all the time, I’d be singing a different tune, but alas, he’s not.
“there were a number of mass killings by immigrants in recent years. should we keep a sharp eye on all immigrant communities?
funny how the DHS report never examined the evidence for immigrant extremism.”
The FBI and DHS attempt to infiltrate and halt *group* activity. As they pointed out, lone wolves, whether ideologically influenced or just plain nuts, are impossible to stop. Further, if those immigrant communities operated in networks in which they collected bomb materials or openly espoused hate, then of course they should be monitored if everyone else is.
In those reports I cited, the FBI used to work against FALN, a Puerto Rican separatist movement. The FBI successfully monitored and incapacitated that group during the 1980s.
Plus, as an anecdote, a Moroccan friend of mine had FBI agents visit his house not too long ago. His name was apparently very similar to someone on their watch list. My friend was OK with this though because he understands where they government was coming from on that.
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Obsidian–
Yeah but they don’t aim so good. They suck as an amateur sniper weapon. Unlike the M16.
As well, they pull high A LOT.
But cheap, plentiful, and omnipresent they are. Together with a lot of ex Soviet arms, they’re also mondo reliable. Got to give them all that.
In many ways I think the Soviet RPG is an even more impressive infantry weapon.
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Yep.
That’s why the Fed and Obama are in the process of deliberately destroying the US economy with the coming hyperinflation that his “liquidity injection” is going to cause.
It’s a historical fact that the Federal Reserve’s current actions will result in hyperinflation.
It’s coming.
Now the question is – are they really that dumb…or are they doing it on purpose?
I think all signs point to doing it on purpose.
Now WHY would they be doing it on purpose?
You can’t implement a one world currency (for which the bankers will control it – by extension, they will control the world…’he who has the gold, makes the rules.’), until the US Dollar loses it’s primacy as the international currency store.
Bush and his borrow and spend GOP congress got the ball rolling, and the Fed, Obama and the Democrats are merely finishing the job.
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Oh, come on. You mean to tell me, that every single noose hung someplace, was put there by the victime, rather than the KKK? You got any evidence to support that, please?
Not every single one, but the vast majority of them (hence my use of the word “usually”). Just google “fake hate crime” – you’ll come across many examples. Not just anti-black, by the way, there are lots of fake anti-gay hate crimes, too.
See:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/partial-list-of-fake-hate-crimes-2006-2007
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/labels/fake%20hate%20crimes.html
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Why do you assume this logic? Speaking out against immigration is one thing, but grabbing your gun and aiming it at the border is another.
The report broadly assumes that “antagonism to immigration” is “extremist”, so it is perfectly logical for anyone to assume, based on simple reading of the report, that the government is going to characterize anyone who opposes immigration as an “extremist”.
Fair point, but does the fact that right wing extremists don’t account for that many murders make it an irrelevant problem?
From the standpoint of resource allocation, yes. Right-wing extremists have killed hardly anybody in the past decade and are responsible for a negligible fraction of all crimes. Illegal immigrants, many deaths and many crimes. Where should law enforcement put its time, manpower, and money?
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Doug,
Good points. I consider the AK more akin to a modern day melee weapon, great for close quarter fighting, where rate of fire is more important than singleshot accuracy. But yea, when it comes to sniper rifles, American made ones (or those appropriated for use by same) are pretty good.
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on April 15, 2009 at 7:57 pm Obsidian
AK’s are known for their accuracy?!
“reknown”
renown
Shit, put some more effort in this…You’re not even trying.
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Dave,
I cant say i disagree with you. In fact, this is how i think it will unfold:
The loonie(canadians dollar) will be abandoned in favour of the US dollar.
The whole of Latin america will all fold into one currency, probably the brazilian real.
Aussie(australian dollar) will eat up the kiwi(the new zealand dollar).
Chinese remnimbi and the japanese yen will eat up the rest of asia, including the indian rupee.
Europe will be one currency except russia rubee. russia will be the standalone. Everything else will the euro.
africa and mideast will use one currency, perhaps the “afric”.
The second phase:The US dollar, the Euro, and the Chinese remnimbi will the last three standing.
Who is going to win among these three, is up for grabs.
It is a global world. The Bankers rule. The bankers want everything melted together. Completely melted together. Profit is God. And here, we have these fools talking about their white this or white that.
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Like I said Morris Dees, go back to shuffling papers.
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Tarl,
Oh, I know about the instances where Black or Jewish folk planted nooses and the like and I personally think they ought to have the book thrown at em.
But what I’m having trouble with is this Racism Denier Theme-several of you question whether Black Men were really lynched and hung by rabid White mobs, the Klan and local police; others question whether the Klan really did burn crosses on Black folk’s property, and so on. It reminds me of the Holocaust Deniers, and is what I consider to be a dangerous and disturbing trend.
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“Good points. I consider the AK more akin to a modern day melee weapon, great for close quarter fighting, where rate of fire is more important than singleshot accuracy.”
But what about the “world-reknowned” accuracy? You’d never need to get close, right?
On second though, don’t put any effort into it, this is hysterical.
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Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, the Tea Partiers are not extremists.
no yet. Hitler didn’t start killing jews in 1933. The kulaks were doing just fine 10 years after the czar’s assassination.
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I’ll tell you what, Morris Dees: why don’t we test out whether an AK can tap you in the head at 20 paces? You game?
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As a quick followup,
It not about borders or sovereignty or race or nationalities.
It is about profit. Period. it is about mega-corporations, it is about global economies, about efficiencies, it is about product and waste; it is about the Bankers and the new economic realities.
You want to end illegal immigrants? Fine. But first, you have to fight the agricultural sector with their heavy reliance on illegal immigrants. Or huge retail supermarkets with hordes of illegal immigrants working in their shipping and receiving departments. There are so few mcdonalds or taco bells that you can count without at least one illegal immigrant.
It is all about profit, gentlemen; all about profit.
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morris dees, are you becoming the new grammar and spell check n&zi?
I’ve seen the comment section over at Steve’s place go from 20 comments to over 60 because a handful of fools are arguing about transitive verbs and dangling modifiers. Somehow the opening topic was completely forgotten in the melee.
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Chic,
Like I said, the man don’t know jack about guns. Notice that while Doug and I diverged on the accuracy issue of the AK (Doug brought in the use of sniper rifles, something which most infantrymen use, its a specialized skill), he agreed w/my main point-that the AK is cheap to make, able to stand up well to the elements, is easy to use and maintain, and highly lethal. An AK can literally tear you in half at full auto.
Mr. Dees, on the other hand, is still stuck on stupid, which is why I told him to go back to shuffling his papers. This is a discussion a bit over his paygrade.
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Obsidian
No one can say how often nooses are hung by a faux victim vs. a real racist thug. However, we can ask a basic question: Who benefits? Overwhelmingly it is the “victim” who tends to get a boatload of sympathy, protection, job security, her enemies beaten up, etc. What would a real noose-hanger get out of it?
The Russians and the Chinese have both developed and continue to develop newer generation military rifles than the AK and they all are much closer in design to the M16 than the AK. More ammo & more lethality for the same weight to carry. But for civilian purposes who can say which is best.. Except the one you actually have loaded in your hand is better than any theoretical option.
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Glenn Beck and Ted Nugent…bumping their dicks at the Tea party. Eewww.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/glenn-beck-at-the-alamo-s_n_187480.html
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Obsidian writes:
“The whole Race Realism thing is something disaffected White guys use as salve on their egos in order to explain why their such abject failures in life.
Don’t believe the hype. ”
No, no. This won’t do. You can’t seriously be arguing that there aren’t large gaps in median performance between blacks and whites in many areas of life including but not limited to education, wealth accumulation and crime. Further, that these performance gaps haven’t been turned into America’s (white America’s) moral crisis, providing justification for overturning our Constitution and our entire way of life in order to try and engineer these gaps out of existence since they’re merely a function of America’s racist history.
I think it goes without saying to most people at this forum and to anyone who’s actually researched the subject that there are significant differences in civilizational abilities between the white and black races. Given this basic reality of planet Earth, this “race realism” which you seem to deny, who’s really the one massaging his ego?
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“I’ll tell you what, Morris Dees: why don’t we test out whether an AK can tap you in the head at 20 paces? You game?”
Is that considered “close quarters?” Maybe you could pick an AK off your rack and kill me at a distance.
And if you are going to steal another person’s handle, please at least make an effort to write like they do.
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Rum,
Again, I don’t deny those relatively rare cases where a socalld victem made it look like the Klan hung a noose outside her office or dorm door to elicit attention etc. My position on that is clear: throw the book at em.
My problem is this disturbing trend, in this forum, of some who are what I would consider Racism Deniers-people who question the validity of the whole of lynchings, acts by the Klan, and so forth. To let them tell it, Black folk really didn’t have it so bad during and after Slavery, and in truth the White Man was actually doing em a favor by trapping them and taking them to the New World, in chains, no less.
I say this trend is just as bad as Holocaust Denial, and we already know there are people here who feel some kind of way about Jews, now don’t we?
As for the AK discussion, from what I’ve heard, out in the field, quite a few American GIs like it, and use em on the downlow because American made weapons, while of a higher quality etc, tend not to be able to withstand the harsh environments as well as the AK. For example, the M16 has had problems going all the way back to the Vietnam War.
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Sidebar for Obsidian,
Today, for the first time, I beheld Tamron Hall :
Body profile :
She is a black woman who is a genuine 10. Any white, Chinese, Indian, or French man who had the chance to tap her would be extremely proud for that fact to be known. It would be one of the greatest joys of their lives. I am going to save some video clips of her onto my hard drive.
She actually lived in Chicago for 10 years, you know.
And yes, only about 30 black women in all of America are as beautiful as her. A black woman of such beauty is guaranteed to have a career in television, film, music, or fashion, due to the extreme rarity of her. A white woman of equivalent beauty has no guarantees.
I could point out that her hair is straight, her nose is narrow, and her lips are thin. But I won’t belabor that point too much.
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muMy problem is this disturbing trend, in this forum, of some who are what I would consider Racism Deniers-people who question the validity of the whole of lynchings, acts by the Klan, and so forth. To let them tell it, Black folk really didn’t have it so bad during and after Slavery, and in truth the White Man was actually doing em a favor by trapping them and taking them to the New World, in chains, no less.
I say this trend is just as bad as Holocaust Denial, and we already know there are people here who feel some kind of way about Jews, now don’t we?
Major cosign.
These race and religion nuts have run away alot of interesting, thoughtful, well written, informative commenters.
Even Peter has run away. Man I miss my daily dose of GNP.
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Sidebar for Obsidian,
Today, for the first time, I beheld Tamron Hall.
Body profile.
She is a black woman who is a genuine 10. Any white, Chinese, Indian, or French man who had the chance to tap her would be extremely proud for that fact to be known. It would be one of the greatest joys of their lives. I am going to save some video clips of her onto my hard drive.
She actually lived in Chicago for 10 years, you know.
And yes, only about 30 black women in all of America are in this league of physical beauty. A black woman of such beauty is guaranteed to have a career in television, film, music, or fashion, due to the extreme rarity of her type. A white woman of equivalent beauty has no such guarantees.
I could point out that her hair is straight, her nose is narrow, and her lips are thin. But I won’t belabor that point too much.
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Obsidian–
As often, you don’t really know what you’re talking about. But you cover with bluster and bullshiit.
The M16 when first introduced into Vietnam was an unproven prototype, and did indeed have a whole lot of reliability problems. They’ve since been worked out. Completely. They actually were while the Vietnam war was still going on, but towards the end, and the press was not exactly receptive at that stage to a good US weapons story.
Actually these days our special forces often use M14 carabines. But whatever.
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Roissy,
I’ve just started reading you blog and this post cements your genius. (And I apologize for being a fanboy)
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“no yet. Hitler didn’t start killing jews in 1933. The kulaks were doing just fine 10 years after the czar’s assassination.”
Hitler was left-wing. LEFT-WING. Go read some history.
So were Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Milosevic, Saddam, etc.
Genocide is entirely a left-wing practice. History has proven this time and time again.
That is why leftists try to falsely project this onto the right (which strives to preserve human life).
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AE,
History in this forum records that neither I, nor anyone else who can claim African ancestry, has any problem in the least discussing the central theme of Race realism, that being, that since Black folk aren’t as smar as Whites, they should be able t have the cushy jobs over more deserving, ie, smarter, White males. I mean, when you really get down to it, that is the grit of the issue, right?
Well, speaking only for myself, I have a number of problems with that. No, not because I supposedly can’t handle that all Black folk, or even a handful, obstensibly, was born to be Einsteins. To me, one doesn’t need Race realism to see that there are real differences between people-errbody aint gonna be blessed w/leading man looks, dominating height, prodigious musical talent, etc. That just seems natural to me.
No AE, there is something else that lurks under the veneer of “scientific” speak that goes on here and elsewhere, and folks like Dave Alex and even T aka Ricky Raw himself have picked up on it-there is the tone, the sense, of wanting to use this obstensible “proof” (which may indeed be so mind you) to do away with them troublesome Negros. There is a palpable anger, and animus, that simply aint there in cases like say, Asians, who pose a much greater threat in terms of those precious and prestigious college slots and cushy jobs. And then of course, is the gorilla in the middle of the room White guys do the Matrix dance to get around-White Women, the undisputed single biggest benefactor of Affirmative Action-and, as Larry Summers soon found out, noting real differences in cognitive ability when it came to Men and Women was a serious no-no.
I can’t recall the last time Black folks were able to oust an Ivy League school prez from his post, AE. But maybe you do. You’ll kindly enlighten me. What we all know, is that one of the most powerful lobbies in modern American life was able to do it-and then replace him with one of their own-White Women.
There is the sense of sour grapes among the ones who clamor the loudest for the validity of Race realism, and again, I don’t deny the central tenets. What I have a problem with is how its applied, used, and what for.
I’ll hold here. Holla back, by all means…
O
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fitting back into a civilian society that still eats factory farmed meat.
Man, when are the SWPL rebels going to stop hating on the vegetarians. Yes, most of these liberals are blind to the world, but the same arguments that are used to justify vegetarianism also were used to justify slavery. Remember, all races are not equally intelligent/civilized. Same thing with all species. Does that give one the right to slaughter the other?
Anyway, spot on. Actually, right wing extremism is on the rise.
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Gnp is nose is flat. her hair is chemically str8ned.
And yes she is gorgeous. I was getting ready to go somewhere the first time I saw her and simply stopped what I was doing to gape at her in amazement, her beauty as well as her poise & grace are show stoping.
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Rebar
If you’ll permit me, a tip.
First don’t apologize “for being a fanboy.”
Instead demonstrate higher value by making a perceptive comment about something.
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This was clever, but not as seamless as when you did the play on the “why i left my beta husband” article…
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Actually, the Marines use the M4, which has been recently adopted by the Chitown Police in its effort to fight its long infamous gang violence. But, like you said, whatever, Doug. 😉
Remember: it was you who brought up the M16 in the first place, because as usual, you want to d the hairsplitting thing about snipers and what not, when anyone w/a smattering of military knowledge knows that snipers makeup a small percentage of a major fighting force. I was simply making the point that the AK can get the job done, and its not for nothing that its thee most ubiquitous weapon in the world, for several decades running at least.
And, I happen to know quite a few Vietnam vets, all Black: one in the Army Calvary; another Marine Infantry; several Airmen who saw action in Vietnam, and so on.
ALL OF THEM SAID THE M16 SUCKED under live fire combat. And, take a wild guess as to what the Viet Cong was using to turn their comrades, friends and in some cases, highschool buds into Hamburger Helper, Doug?
Let’s all say it together now:
THE AK-47.
Btw, Thomas Edison highschool, here in Philly? The single highest percentage of Vietnam War draftees, and dead, in highschool terms. At least that’s the story. Several of the Black vets I’d known and talked to, had lost friends who went there.
Holla back
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“Gnp is nose is flat. her hair is chemically str8ned.”
Her nose is not the nose typical of West Africans (and yes, I know about the differences between West, East, and Khoi-San Africans).
I do notice that almost no black women who strive to look good tolerate coiled hair. They all go straight. It must consume a tremendous amount of time and money, I imagine.
That is sad. I find the female 70s Afro attractive in some cases.
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Shit is like de ja vu anyone notice that when you get closer to a goal the knife comes out and you get ready to stab yourself in the back. Wierd stuff.
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Tarl:
“The report broadly assumes that “antagonism to immigration” is “extremist”, so it is perfectly logical for anyone to assume, based on simple reading of the report, that the government is going to characterize anyone who opposes immigration as an “extremist”.”
You are either misreading or misquoting. The report neither states nor implies such a thing.
“From the standpoint of resource allocation, yes. Right-wing extremists have killed hardly anybody in the past decade and are responsible for a negligible fraction of all crimes. Illegal immigrants, many deaths and many crimes. Where should law enforcement put its time, manpower, and money?”
*Only* 3,000 Americans have died on American soil from domestic terrorist attacks. In the grand scheme, that’s hardly more than the 169 killed at OKC. We’ve allocated trillions to the Middle East. By your logic, we should ignore everything but the most important issues. The question then becomes, by what metric do you measure “important issues”?
Better yet, cancer kills hundreds of thousands, let’s put all of our resources into curing that.
Rum:
“What would a real noose-hanger get out of it?”
Joy. Pure, unadulterated, hedonistic joy. It’s influence is strong.
Tood:
“So were Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Milosevic, Saddam, etc.”
The political ideological spectrum is circular. For mere peons like us, we can easily divide into left and right wing, but for those with real power, right and left wing becomes one and the same. leo strauss talks some about this in his various books.
right wing is generally associated with diffusion of centralized governmental power. right wingers oppose this power, until they themselves get in power, then its all kosher. left wingers, like castro, desire a communist utopia in which everyone is equal. human nature won’t allow *that* to happen. the coup artist fills the power vacuum and has no other choice but to assume the dictatorial role of a fascist.
there’s really no point in trying to figure out which dictator resides in which wing of the spectrum.
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The point all of you are overlooking regarding this DHS report:
Who does it benefit most?
Wait for it….
wait for it….
hint: who had a grass roots “movement” today?
who, under a democrat controlled government benefits from reports of government conspiracy?
Republicans, conservatives.
By the likes of Rush Limbaugh getting pissed off at this DHS report (despite the fact that a left wing DHS report was handed out in January 2009) they are lumping *themselves* in with right-wing extremists. Nobody once tried to say that tea party conservatives are extreme, yet if you watch Fox News (which I did today) you’ll see all kinds of people decrying the fact that Obama is trying to quiet them.
Again, who benefits from this report? Republicans, conservatives
Who got more attention drawn to their causes today? Republicans, conservatives
The timing of the mainstream release of this report points to the fact that conservatives *love* this report. It adds fuel to their grass roots fire.
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dougjnn,
You’re right that acknowledging being a fanboy makes it worse, not better.
However, I commented on the genius of the author’s post which is a better contribution to the blog than the 200+ off topic comments to which you’ve added at least a half dozen.
rebar
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tood Her nose is not the nose typical of West Africans (and yes, I know about the differences between West, East, and Khoi-San Africans).
Um the blk folks I see. Her nose is a lot like my own. flat but porportioned with the rest of her features. Futhermore, her lips are full but there are blk women with far fuller lips.
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Tool, where do you live? are there many Black folks there? Do you really know what we look like? One thing about Black people the size an shape of our features vary as much as the hair & eye color of white folks vary.
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Ok, I know who the gal GNP’s gaa gaa for is. I’ve seen her a number of times, and while she’s attractive, she didn’t really turn my head. Must be because she aint pure blood enough.
But hey, I don’t know GNP’s thing for only marginally Black looking Women, God bless em. If he runs accross one and she digs him, may they be happy together. Got no problem with that in the least.
But for me, Serena Williams can get it all day, everyday, in everyway. Sistas like that need a strong Man do handle them. I would have it no other way.
I like the thicker lips, the broader noses, and the kinky hair of many of my Sistas and actually find the extensions and “conking” of their hair to be unattractive more and more. I’ve actually had several girlfriends who wore their hair in afros, and loved it. Brown Sugah has her hair in locs, very cute. My other Woman, the Nurse, wears her hair short and curly. Doesn’t do anything other than wash it and comb it. Delish.
Chic spoke of this before but bears repeating: the hairfrying thing is as much a matter of class as anything else. The higher in clas you go, the more likely you are to encounter Sistas who loc or twist their hair, wear it natural (afro puffs) and so on. So again, you guys are hanging on to underclass stereotypes of Black folk, in this case Black Women.
Viva la Difference, indeed.
O
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Mu she got a semi donkey on her and she is medium in complexion, like me *smile*.
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mu So again, you guys are hanging on to underclass stereotypes of Black folk, in this case Black Women
I agree MU.
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The problems with the Viet Nam era M16s are well documented. They have basically been fixed, that is, if proper cleaning is carried out. With rifles of this type there is a fundamental trade off between accuracy (tighter fitting parts) and the ability to digest mud (looser fit). The US has historically gone for more accuracy and the Russians for mud eating ability. I suspect you already know that.
But if someone does not live in a trench or in the jungle they might find contentment with the US approach.
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Virtually all genocides and near-genocides are by left-wing regimes :
Mao
Stalin
Hitler
Pol Pot
Kim Il-Sung
Castro
Idi Amin
Milosevic
Saddam
On the right, Mussolini, Franco, and Pinochet were bad men who killed a few, but orders of magnitude less than their left-wing contemporaries.
there’s really no point in trying to figure out which dictator resides in which wing of the spectrum.
Oh yes there is. Only someone who doesn’t want the left to be exposed would say that.
Leftists have concocted the lie that ‘Hitler is Right Wing’ in order to distract from their own atrocities, and to get the Jewish vote under false representation.
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Examples of far-leftists: Hollywood stars, college professors, journalists, aging hippies.
Examples of far-rightists: Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, abortion clinic bombers, Waco/David Koresh, Montana Freemen, Ruby Ridge, Eric Robert Rudolph, crazy nuts who go on killing sprees like that dude who killed those 3 cops in PA.
If you don’t think anti-social deranged right-wing nuts are going to come out of the woodwork the next 4-8 years under President Obama (just like they did during the Clinton Years), then you are naive. Right-wingers are some real loony-tunes.
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Chic,
Oh no, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I wouldn’t do her if I could, sure. But I just don’t see as “all that” the way GNP does. To me Toccara gets it first. She just has more of a “pure blood” thing happenin’ for me, that is very primal that turns me on a lot. Does that make sense?
And, the Nurse is very fairskinned, being biracial. So I’ve always liked variety. Brown Sugah on the other hand, is just that…brown sugar.
😉
O
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Hey, apparently Mel Gibson has a 24 year old girlfriend:
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/+mel-gibsons-24-year-old-lover-confirms-their-union-2009154
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Tood:
explain to me, really quickly, how hitler or stalin could be considered left wing radicals?
all dictators who kill lots of people have to have a strong centralized authority on which to stand in order to carry out their atrocities.
this does nothing to show that they were right wing or left wing and pretty much shows you that the extreme fringes often have similar goals in mind.
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Hitler was not a left-winger, he was a right-winger who was hated by liberals, vitually everyone who considered themselves “leftists” at the time, and the Nazis hated German socialists and communists. And vice-versa.
Looks like you got your education from “home-skooling”, Rush “Anal Cysts” Limbaugh, and too much Fox News.
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More pics:
http://www.panorama.nl/magazine/mannenblog/article_572/mel-s-mokkel/detail.html
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DaveinDC,
Yeah right. Only a lefty faggot would be so intellectually dishonest, comparing professors to a terrorist, when it suits you. When was the last time an abortion clinic was bombed?
I see you cannot admit that virtually all genocides are left-wing.
Also, left-wing protests against Bush routinely talked about assassinating him, killing him, etc. We never see right wing people saying that about Obama.
BTW, virtually all racism against blacks in America was done by Democrats. From slavery to George Wallace to Robert Byrd (a KKK leader who is a Democrat senator to this day). You do know that, don’t you?
Admit it. Or go educate yourself, faggot.
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Right-wing tea party protests : Peaceful, respectful, attended by people who have jobs, families, and friends.
Left-wing anti-US protests : Hoping for Bush’s assassination, vulgar, vandalize property of others, attended by people with no lives outside of leftism.
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“We never see right wing people saying that [assasination] about Obama”
LMAO! Too funny! Obvioiusly the child has never seen one of those nutty McSame/Palin rallies from a few months back.
And the old conservative Democratic Party of the Deep South–the Dixiecrats who championed Jim Crowe laws and lynchings–have all become conservative Republicans, and have been for some time now. Demographically, geographically, socially, and politically, the 2 parties are not the same that they were over a hundred years ago. Crack open a book, child.
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Rum,
The problem with the m-16 vs ak is the m16 has about half the spring power on the slide bolt vs ak. Up the recoil return power and I think m-16 would have less problems with jamming.
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Tood makes a powerful point that I often bring up to torment my partisan Brothers and Sisters: the Dems hav historically been far and away worse to and for Blacks, than the GOP, and truth be told, quite a few major Black figures were Republican.
So yea, getting the facts right, matters.
O
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“We never see right wing people saying that about Obama. ”
last night i heard some military guys at a bar talk about taking out obama. they called him a “nigger” and also derided “faggots”.
i got into an argument with a guy i used to work with because he said he “hopes that nigger gets killed.”
i mean, if you don’t want to claim these types of people as right-wingers, i understand, but you kind of have to since they espouse your beliefs.
Tood, btw, you’re a gullible idiot. I bet when you read roissy’s post today you thought it was real. i remember it took you 150 comments in to figure out roissy’s satire last time he did it with the fat wife thing.
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Dave in DC also makes a valid point, that the Southern Strategy played a key role in making the parties we have today, as he alludes to. Fair enough.
O
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Dam thursday that is hot. And everyone probably thought wtf when I told peter he should move to moscow. Russian woman getting a lot of wealth redistrobution of the richest.
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Let me repeat: LEFTISTS HATE FREE SPEECH…ESPECIALLY THE JEWISH LEFTISTS AT ELITE UNIVERSITIES LIKE UNC CHAPEL HILL:
+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ7vcgQjkDQ
+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7naTR5QCxo
LEFTISTS SHUT DOWN FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
+ http://www.alipac.us/article4137.html
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Hitler was a lefty, you uneducated faggot.
Hitler stood for socialized medicine, government control of enterprise, replacement of established religion with his own doctrine, etc.
Watch the second half of this Youtube clip from Zo about how leftists are similar to the Nazi party.
Of course, you will be filled with hate for Zo, because he strayed off the plantation.
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This superb and hilarious picture shows the real difference between the left and the right.
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“Hitler was not a left-winger, he was a right-winger…”
NSDAP. Trans: National Socialist German Workers Party.
Guess Adolph just kept the name because he liked it.
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Obsidian writes:
“…..since Black folk aren’t as smar as Whites, they should be able t have the cushy jobs over more deserving, ie, smarter, White males. I mean, when you really get down to it, that is the grit of the issue, right? ”
If only this were so. It isn’t merely the case that more qualified whites are being routinely passed over in academia, government and the “private” sector for less qualified blacks, though this is certainly happening. No, it’s much more than that. Whites have been de-legitimized as a race by the left and parts of the right for their superior performance. White, Western civilization and religion, everything we are and everything we have accomplished has been recast as oppressive, reactionary, anti-progressive, evil.
While I agree that feminism is omnipresent, powerful and wretched, when it comes to the overturning of American history and Western civilization, black and white is where the rubber meets the road, not man and woman. The history of female suffrage simply can’t compete with slavery.
To say that the black/white paradigm hasn’t exacted tribute from society comparable to that of American feminism is laughable. This ignores not only the trillions of dollars in wealth redistribution from whties to blacks over the last four decades but more immediately, overlooks the election of Barack Obama to the U.S. presidency. Here is a man who spent 20 years of his adult life faithfully devoted to an anti-white, anti-American black racist church and who proudly named as his spiritual mentor a man who is on record as saying the most vile things about whites and America over a period of decades. A man married to an obviously ungrateful affirmative action baby who wrote a senior thesis at an Ivy League school about how she would devote her life to helping black America first. A man who ran the front organization for an unrepentant domestic terrorist.
Just one of these facts is sufficient to exclude Obama from all public office, let alone the presidency, and yet all this was overlooked or ignored largely on the basis of race. Can you name any women elected to the U.S. presidency out of liberal guilt?
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“last night i heard some military guys at a bar talk about taking out obama. they called him a “nigger” and also derided “faggots”. ”
I heard a gay lefty with an Obama bumper sticker talking about how all Republicans should be sent to the gas chambers, in order to reduce the population and preserve the environment.
“Tood, btw, you’re a gullible idiot.”
Translation : Chuck doesn’t have much practice in interacting with knowledgeable people.
I am hell of a lot smarter than you, buttshit. I knew it was satire of an AP hitjob (except that it is very accurate in reality).
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DaveinDC
Give me the name of the only KKK member in the Senate and his party affiliation.
Chuck,
“last night i heard some military guys at a bar talk about taking out obama. they called him a “nigger” and also derided “faggots”.
i got into an argument with a guy i used to work with because he said he “hopes that nigger gets killed.”
That clinches it! You heard it in a bar AND at work. Call the police. Did you get the political backgrounds of those military guys? I just want to be sure that right wingers can claim them…
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“Tood makes a powerful point that I often bring up to torment my partisan Brothers and Sisters: the Dems hav historically been far and away worse to and for Blacks, than the GOP, and truth be told, quite a few major Black figures were Republican. ”
My respect for Obsidian has risen 100X.
African Americans have been duped by the Democrats. From slavery to George Wallace (running for Pres as a Dem as recently as 1976) to Robert Byrd who is there TO THIS DAY, I find it more than a little odd that 90-96% of blacks vote Democrat.
Hell, even a black Republican cannot get more than 20% of the black vote.
Obsidian – Please tell me why this is………why?……
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Of course, Chuck and DaveinDC will merely conclude that Klaus does not know what he is talking about. How could a German possibly know anything about the subject?
My god, I used to think that a person with an IQ as high 80 could be a leftist, but now it seems that an IQ of 70 is the ceiling above which leftism loses its allure.
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But what I’m having trouble with is this Racism Denier Theme-several of you question whether Black Men were really lynched and hung by rabid White mobs, the Klan and local police; others question whether the Klan really did burn crosses on Black folk’s property, and so on. It reminds me of the Holocaust Deniers, and is what I consider to be a dangerous and disturbing trend.
I don’t question that lynchings happened. But, they happened a long time ago – the vast majority of all lynchings occurred before 1930. They were comparatively very rare after 1945. Right now, today, the prospect of organized white-on-black violence is so remote it’s not even worth talking about. In comparison, the prospect of “random” black-on-white violence is worth talking about. No doubt you know that the number of blacks lynched from 1865 to today is trivial compared to the number of whites murdered by blacks since 1960.
My view is that the number of white racists today willing to hang a noose on a door is truly negligible. “Victims” who fake a hate crime far exceed true victims (the fakers are not the rare case, they are the usual case).
You are either misreading or misquoting. The report neither states nor implies such a thing.
It says: “Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
I don’t see how you can read that and not conclude that the government characterizes opposition to abortion or immigration as “extremist”.
“Over the past five years, various rightwing extremists, including militias and white supremacists, have adopted the immigration issue as a call to action, rallying point, and recruiting tool. Debates over appropriate immigration levels and enforcement policy generally fall within the realm of protected political speech under the First Amendment, but in some cases, anti-immigration or strident pro-enforcement fervor has been directed against specific groups and has the potential to turn violent. ”
OK, so if you “stridently” oppose immigration and want enforcement, the government thinks you are an extremist who may turn violent. Got it.
*Only* 3,000 Americans have died on American soil from domestic terrorist attacks.
9/11 was not a domestic terrorist attack and was not the product of right-wing extremists. You’ll get no argument from me if you say DHS should focus on Muslims (both homegrown and immigrant). They are a far bigger threat than “right-wing extremists”. Unfortunately, I can easily see this government wasting all its efforts chasing incompetent right-wing bozos while the next Mohammed Atta goes unnoticed (noticing Muslims is racist, after all).
We’ve allocated trillions to the Middle East. By your logic, we should ignore everything but the most important issues. The question then becomes, by what metric do you measure “important issues”?
Most of the money allocated to the ME was not the result of 9/11 (unless you think Saddam was behind 9/11, which I don’t) and was wasted anyway.
There has to be some form of cost-benefit analysis. There are only so many law enforcement officers on duty so many hours per year. They have to be targeted where they can do the most good, i.e. reduce the largest number of most serious crimes. Right-wing extremism is not a good target. They commit serious crimes, but there aren’t a lot of them, so they don’t deserve much attention. They can be treated as garden-variety thieves and murderers for most practical purposes.
Better yet, cancer kills hundreds of thousands, let’s put all of our resources into curing that.
Is the concept of cost-benefit analysis really so incomprehensible to you?
The point all of you are overlooking regarding this DHS report:
Who does it benefit most?
Obama. The report paints legitimate opposition to anything he does as the product of racist, right-wing extremism.
explain to me, really quickly, how hitler or stalin could be considered left wing radicals?
Um, Stalin was not left wing? And not radical? If he wasn’t, nobody was. But maybe that’s your point – there is really no such thing as a left-wing radical (?).
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“I heard a gay lefty with an Obama bumper sticker talking about how all Republicans should be sent to the gas chambers, in order to reduce the population and preserve the environment. ”
Not surprised, just like you shouldn’t be surprised that there are right-wingers who hope for Obama’s death. You’re the one who tried to paint all conservatives as innocent.
“Translation : Chuck doesn’t have much practice in interacting with knowledgeable people. ”
and you’re just one more on my list Tood. btw, i think you misspelled your name. is it Todd or Toad?
“I am hell of a lot smarter than you, buttshit. I knew it was satire of an AP hitjob (except that it is very accurate in reality).”
well i guess you learned well from roissy’s last satire. glad your learning curve isn’t *too* steep Toad.
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One of the most insulting things that SWPL leftists do is equate being black with being gay, in terms of victimology.
I am stunned that more blacks are not offended by this.
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“…. that there are right-wingers who hope for Obama’s death. ”
Except that there aren’t any. They are imaginary, just like your fictitious story designed to smear military officers.
Meanwhile, virtually ALL leftists hope for the death of Bush and Cheney. I saw them jump for joy when Reagan passed away. Sickos.
Now admit that genocide is a wholly left-wing practice.
Also admit that virtually all injustice towards blacks in America has been done by Democrats.
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“Also admit that virtually all injustice towards blacks in America has been done by Democrats.”
i won’t say all, but i’ll say quite a bit, both in the sense that dems controlled the south and because dems push through liberal policies that are sometimes more harmful to blacks than advertised. but that’s not my game tonight, toad.
“Except that there aren’t any. They are imaginary, just like your fictitious story designed to smear military officers. ”
they were neither fictitious nor officers. they were very real grunts with lots of pent up anger, just the type of guys right-wing extremist organizations are looking for. they don’t think in terms of right or left…they think in terms of power and non-power.
that’s the same with the hitlers, stalins, maos of history, it wasn’t about right or left with those guys, it was about the shortest route to power. those guys have their place in history because they appealed to populist attitudes of the day, rebuked those attitudes in the populace, and seized power. the fact that they their power rested on a strong government is not evidence that they were right or left wing, it just means that they employed the *only* means they could to keep that power, large, centralized government.
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For a look at the left in this country, go here:
http://www.zombietime.com/
Priceless stuff…
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Tood is drinking from a bucket of spit again.
Gulping that shit down like gatorade.
Pray tell, what does Rush Limbaugh dentures tastes like?
Fucking cocksucker.
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“i mean, if you don’t want to claim these types of people as right-wingers, i understand, but you kind of have to since they espouse your beliefs.”
vs.
“…they don’t think in terms of right or left…they think in terms of power and non-power.
that’s the same with the hitlers, stalins, maos of history, it wasn’t about right or left with those guys, it was about the shortest route to power.”
Which is it?
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Chuck, stop flailing. Your efforts to insist that Stalin and Mao were not left wing are just ridiculous.
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“i won’t say all, but i’ll say quite a bit, both in the sense that dems controlled the south and because dems push through liberal policies that are sometimes more harmful to blacks than advertised. but that’s not my game tonight, toad. ”
I’ll settle for an admission of ‘Much more than half’. And it was not just in Lincoln’s time, but George Wallce (1976 Presidential Run), plus Robert Byrd resides in the Senate TO THIS DAY.
Strom Thurmond was a Dem when he ran on segregation. When he realized the error of his ways, he became a Rep.
The first two Secs. of State were under the GOP.
it wasn’t about right or left with those guys,
No, it was about leftism. Why is it that right-wing dictators (which themselves are less common than left-wing dictators) did not have to resort to ethnic cleansing?
Darth Maul,
You just revealed your utter fear of actually engaging in a debate against me since you are stumped by my command of historical facts. Faggot.
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AE, hang tight, I’ll be responding to your points in a moment. But first, in quick reply to Tood:
The answer to your question, as to why Black Republicans tend not to do so well among Black voters, and why the wider/Whiter GOP don’t either, is very simple: RACE.
Tis goes back to my comment following up on yours, where I cited David in DC; he rightly mentions the fact that in the face of impending Civil Rights legislation etc, the Dixiecrats all changed their political identity enmasse, and became Republicans. This was especially apparent during the Southern Strategy employed by Nixon at the time, if memory serves.
Today, the GOP, the Party of Lincoln, is almost wholly seen by African Americans, as an overt and covertly racist political party, that panders to its constituents in the most vulgar of racial terms: Willie Horton, “Law & order”, etc, et al, come to mind. For Blacks, the GOP is virtually irredeemable in this regard. I disagre, but I think we both would agree, that I am in the distinct minority.
And in fairness, the GOP hasn’t been terribly interested in answerig these charges, and in truth, they really don’t have to, in purely wins/losses terms; it has been proven repeatedly that if they can lock up the White Male Vote, then peel off a good enough portion of the White Female Vote, they win. I think US President electional history since Lincoln bears this out.
Now, to AE’s points…
While I find your comments interesting to read, I also find them kinda missing the mark. Black folk didn’t have a hand in Slavery, White Men did. Nor have Black folk been in a position to force a sitting university president of one of the world’s most prestigious univeristies for saying something they didn’t like, and I’m pretty sure you would have been quick to point out to me if indeed such a thing had happened. Which leads me to conclude, that you know of none, either.
Moreover, Black folk have shown themselves to have bent over backward to intergrate, to be a part of this country, with a mixed record at best to show for it. And still we soldier on, in spite of it all. Even the Nation of Islam adopts many of the trappings of White folk-the suits, for example.
So, I guess what I’m saying AE, is that you’re barking up the wrong tree, and quite frankly its getting tiresome to have to constantly have to deal with what smacks of scapegoating measures. Your true enemy is the so-called SWPL crowd, not Black folks. Though the make a colorful target, in truth, they don’t have the ability to make things happen. The SWPLers, do. And quite often, at that.
That brings me to your, with all due respect, dodge of my central point-Summers noted real cognitive differences between Men and Women, did he not? And, isn’t a large chunk of Race realism built on the notion that there are real differences of cognitive ability between Black and White? Well, you might say, the differences in the latter is more far reaching in the former, to which I would say, but there have been and are now, far and away more Women in highpost positions than there are Blacks-and yet those very cognitive differences don’t seem to be that big a deal to you or another other White (Male) Race realist then. We Black folk may not be Mensas. But we aint totally stupid.
The bottomline AE, is that much to you and others’ chagrin, we African Americans are are a part of this country whether you like it or not. And we wil continue to fight for our fair share of this country. Not by violent means necessarily (though I’m not a pacifist) but by means that bhave proven to get results: hard work, thrift, courage, and so on.
Lastly, on Obama: I didn’t vote for him, in large part for the many of the reasons you cited. But millions of Americans-notably White ones, did. In the end, that’s all that matters.
Whether we like it or not, we African Americans occupy a truly unique position on the American landscape; we are its conscience. And rightly so.
O
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The problem with calling Nazi-ism a party of the Left is that the Nazis put leftists in concentration camps. Communists & socialists were among the first to be arrested. Not that it matters. The only real dichotomy is between limited government vs. unlimited government.
I hate it when Americans get racial and rude when talking about the President. Personally, I want his administration to be remembered as having been great for this country. But there is a problem in the back ground and that is that the Lefts vilification of G. Bush 2 reached extreme heights. They got no room to talk and never will. It is hard to imagine how the Repubs could get nastier with Obama than the Left did with GWB.
I did not like him but he is neither stupid nor evil.
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Again, this clip by black Conservative Zo explains why Hitler was left-wing (second half of the clip).
A lefty who sees this will get a vein-popping stroke from the combined fury of seeing a black man leave the plantation, as well deliver a detailed historical lesson on why Hitler was left-wing.
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“I did not like him but he is neither stupid nor evil.”
Indeed. Disagreeing is one thing. Hating the President to the extent of wishing for his death is quite another.
I have no ill will towards Carter, Clinton, Gore, or Obama on a personal level. I actually hope Obama benefits this country (although I do not expect it).
Leftists are apeshit that Republicans are not reciprocating the same behavior that the left exhibited.
Also, the right understands the psychology of the left, but the left absollutely does not understand the psychology of the right. That is why leftists do such a pathetic job of impersonating Republicans when they try.
Chuck’s bogus story about military officers was something even a 7 year old would recognize as fictitious.
The most politically persecuted people in America today are Republicans who are NOT white males (Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Condi Rice, Michelle Malkin, etc.)
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Darth Maul,
Yawn……you and I both know that I defeated you with stunning speed and totality, due to my superior knowledge of historical facts. Now go run along to your butt-buddy appointment.
And since you are a lefty and hence a racist, I will give you a personal detail about myself :
I am not white.
(Darth Maul’s veins popping in a stupor of lefty racism..)
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“I hate it when Americans get racial and rude when talking about the President.”
I don’t like race talk either, especially when the President does it. His comment about small town whites last year was unwarranted. He should know better.
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Klaus,
You will like this picture of left-wing deformities vs. right-wing beauty too.
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“He should know better.”
He didn’t know better at the time. Remember that he spent 20 years listening to ‘God Damn America’ and ‘AmeriKKKa’s chickens have come home to roost’.
He gladly brought his children to that church as well.
By now, his advisers have coached him on what not to reveal.
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Obsidian,
Quick response since it’s getting late.
I absolutely agree that it’s whites who have created the status quo and they are the only ones who can reverse the course. I never said otherwise.
My main point is that in America, racial guilt is stronger than gender guilt. This is not the problem of blacks, nor can they do anything about it.
Race realism is not used to “put blacks in their place” or to stroke egos, but to help show whites that they have nothing to feel guilty about and to show blacks that American society is not rigged against them.
You say blacks have bent over backwards to try to assimilate into American society. I’d be much more inclined to believe this about black America pre 1960’s. This is a long and complex topic but let me just offer up as evidence the content of 60’s motown music versus that of contemporary rap music. Once official America stopped requiring black america to assimilate into a conspicuously white culture but were then allowed to change that culture in their own image, a century of racial progress was stopped cold.
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Translation of Darth Maul :
He is 1) totally stumped in a debate with someone who actually has knowledge (i.e. someone he rarely encounters, and 2) is fantasizing about his next butt-buddy appointment.
Disease-laden faggot.
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GWB helped creat more high paying jobs for blacks than any man alive.
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” the content of 60’s motown music versus that of contemporary rap music. ”
Not just 60s music. Even 80s black musicians and black sitcoms were appealing to ALL races of people.
Today, that is sadly not the case, even just 20 years later.
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“GWB helped create more high paying jobs for blacks than any man alive.”
That is why SWPLs hate him. He enabled hardworking blacks to leave the plantation, just like Lincoln 140 years earlier.
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A lot of average joes able to make decent money over here. He helped the working class have a chance at freedom. The army gets insane money for college. Tons of lives helped and they got to live the dream of a lot of young men and go to combat. What’s not to like. Yea some died but they die anyway. Now this probably will be one of the last times some crazy shit like this happens. You think dems would allow the average man to make good money. Just like the media making fun of contractors well that is real people making good money. Not just master degree folks but everyday folks putting their lives on the line for their country and some cash.
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I personally don’t believe the Mel Gibson girlfriend thing. It’s just a lie.
Look at the girl. Yes, she is attractive, but those eyes are dead. Nasty and dead.
At Mel’s level, if he decided to cheat, it wouldn’t be with a someone like that. He can get attractive if he wants it easy. So what is he looking for after that? I don’t know, but I doubt nasty and dead-eyed is it.
This goes for all you other players to. After you get a nice package, what ELSE do you want?
Also, and it has nothing to do with my stance, if she WAS his girlfriend, she would have her eye on the prize. With Mel and his wife divorcing, she wouldn’t do something like a public confirmation of Mel’s affair. That just makes it really, really likely he’ll dump her for being disloyal. She would know that. As a good home-wrecker, she would be preparing for the kill, not deliberately provoking Mel into dumping her.
It’s just an attempt to smear him even more.
It’s really interesting how much of a person comes out even in photographs.
Think about how much more comes out in person, if you really look.
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AE,
I agree it is getting late but we’re just getting started. 😉 Allow me to briefly respond to a point you raised:
I think its important to consider the long arc of American history wrt African Americans. From the end of the Civil War, up through the turn of the 20th century, and on into, as you noted, the 1960s, Black folks did their darndest to “fit in”, even including frying their hair and lightening their skin. But, again, as I said before, there is at best a mixed record to show for it-and, keep in mind, this was decades before Hip Hip music came along.
Now, on Hip Hop-I think it is very important to properly educate oneself on the matter, before deigning to speak powerfully on it, because it has a rich history with many twists and turns, some good, others bad, in my view. Its very easy for those who don’t have a very high opinion of the artform to begin with, and even less interest in actually knowing what they’re talking about, to make blanket statements about Hip Hop that may be at best, incomplete or misleading, if not out and out ignorant and bigoted. So, I’d love to have that discussion with you AE, since I grew up during what many consider to be Hip Hop’s Golden Age. Cnsider yourself lucky that you have a guide. 🙂
As for the gender versus racial divides, I would say that, again, if the premise is that cognitive ability matters, then for some odd reason, it doesn’t seem to matter as much, when it comes to White Women. Now, I can accept it if White guys say, hey, I gotta live with these people, I need pussy from these people, etc. I can dig it. But then it’s not really a “truthseeking” thing as much as it is a doing business thing. Either way, to Black folks’ eyes and ears, it all comes accross as less than honest.
If you aint in bed yet, holla back
O
PS: if Tood’s reading along, I’ve spoken at some length on what I consider to be a major logical fallacy wrt the attempt by some, both inside and outside of the Black community, to draw a moral equivalence between being Black and being Gay. The Roissy search engine should help you find those comments, made only a few days ago, in reply to OMW.
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Obama’s pal Bill Ayers wanted to set up concentration camps to exterminate the White Middle/Working class. No different from the fantasies of Louis Farrakhan, hero to most Blacks.
The true tragedy of Blacks is that they embraced, despite Dr. King’s Warnings, the full racial hatred of the Klan. No group is more racist, conspiracy mongering, anti-semitic, and prone to lunatic conspiracy theories than Blacks. See: Mos Def, Truther extraordinaire. Or perhaps Will Smith, who famously felt “nothing” on 9/11 explaining that no Blacks died in the Towers (false btw).
The current social, political, cultural, and economic alliance Obsidian is between SWPL, Blacks, Gays, Hispanics, and Single Women and motivated AGAINST the White working/middle class.
In many cases, this is because politics is a zero sum game. Public safety and law enforcement runs against the desire of Blacks to engage in fairly brutal criminality, the Gangsta Life. Particularly since Black Women largely (in the urban core, not so much in middle class areas) prefer Gangsta thugs (see Lauren London’s preference famously reported).
SWPL can’t have exclusive safety if ordinary Whites have it too, and they ally with Blacks to make sure law enforcement is PC bound and does not do things like what Rudy did in NYC. Which itself took a revolt by the White working/middle classes against Dinkins and his PC and racially based policy in Crown Heights and elsewhere.
Republicans CANNOT win Blacks, because law and order is a direct conflict with Black desire to allow Gangstas to operate unimpeded, and provide the economic and social benefits (sexual selection, certainly) for that community. SWPL ally with Blacks to make sure the Reginald Dennys are put in their place, and maintain exclusive public safety.
I don’t begrudge Blacks this political stance and alliance, I question it’s long-term viability as the nation gets less White and hard times happen, making both “give” to Black demands wildly unpopular among hard-pressed non-SWPL Whites and knocking down the SWPL crowd. It’s one thing for AA to be in a 80% White population, another when Whites are projected to go below 50%. Think Serbia, there’s a cheery thought, on how demographically pressed populations react. I’ll caveat, I’m not Black. Who knows, maybe working/middle class Whites will simply all commit suicide leaving Blacks, SWPL, Gays, and Women in possession of America.
This political alliance is based on the rising prosperity moving most women into single-hood, and playing status-games that drive them uber-left and explicitly anti-White Guy. Hard times will tend to erase the Sex and the City lifestyle and the politics that goes along with it. If that happens suddenly, expect women to swing back to populism away from elitism.
The Protest Tea Party rallies are driven mostly by the knowledge that government spending is designed to screw over Joe Average and will benefit him not at all.
[FWIW, Jackie Robinson, who took more racist guff than anyone, was a lifelong Republican.]
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Obsidian,
Willie Horton, “Law & order”, etc, et al, come to mind.
Hollywood thus is clever in creating these fictitious characters, and making them Republicans, for deceitful politican gain.
but I think we both would agree, that I am in the distinct minority.
Yes.
And in fairness, the GOP hasn’t been terribly interested in answerig these charges
TRUE. They are stupid about this. They think that running a few black Republicans is enough. But it isn’t. A mere 15-point shift in black voting would turn MI, OH, and PA back into GOP states.
But I stil don’t see why a *black* Republican can get only 20% of the black vote. If it is ‘about race’, then it seems that party supercedes race, as a lens to view race. How is it that race is trumped by party, because of race?
I personally find black Republicans to be substantially smarter and more knowledgeable than most white Republicans. They would have to be, given the persecution they receive every day from SWPLs as well as black friends and family. They would have to be very well prepared and on their toes at all times to parry every cheap shot they receive on a daily basis.
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The single biggest tragedy in America’s 20th century history is the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King.
He was young enough that he would probably still be alive today. Had he lived this long, he would have prevented black culture from deteriorating after the 80s. He would have prevented the SWPL leftists from taking over the Democratic party, by steering black support away from their convoluted, condescending brand of racism.
Hell, he could have been President in 1992, instead of Bill Clinton. He was a more worthy figure to be the first black President than Barack Obama. By miles.
Had Dr. King lived, we would not have SWPL leftism, because we would not have the unconditional support for Dems exhibited by 90% of blacks, which enables even far-left nutjobs like Kucinnich, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, and Barney Frank to stay in office for decades without risk.
No one filled the vacuum after he was gone. We instead got Jesse Jackson, who did incalculable damage.
If I could change one thing about 20th century American history, it would be that.
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GNPAFA:
I could point out that her hair is straight, her nose is narrow, and her lips are thin. But I won’t belabor that point too much.
You are a fount of the milk of human kindness.
Chic:
Even Peter has run away. Man I miss my daily dose of GNP.
!!!
Gunslingergregi:
Shit is like de ja vu anyone notice that when you get closer to a goal the knife comes out and you get ready to stab yourself in the back. Wierd stuff.
Gunny, I love you man.
(wtf?)
Chuck:
right wing is generally associated with diffusion of centralized governmental power. right wingers oppose this power, until they themselves get in power, then its all kosher. left wingers, like castro, desire a communist utopia in which everyone is equal. human nature won’t allow *that* to happen. the coup artist fills the power vacuum and has no other choice but to assume the dictatorial role of a fascist.
there’s really no point in trying to figure out which dictator resides in which wing of the spectrum.
Dind ding ding we have a winner.
Toad:
One of the most insulting things that SWPL leftists do is equate being black with being gay, in terms of victimology.
I am stunned that more blacks are not offended by this
They are, dipshit. You must not get out much.
ae:
I absolutely agree that it’s whites who have created the status quo and they are the only ones who can reverse the course. I never said otherwise.
My main point is that in America, racial guilt is stronger than gender guilt. This is not the problem of blacks, nor can they do anything about it.
Race realism is not used to “put blacks in their place” or to stroke egos, but to help show whites that they have nothing to feel guilty about and to show blacks that American society is not rigged against them.
You say blacks have bent over backwards to try to assimilate into American society. I’d be much more inclined to believe this about black America pre 1960’s. This is a long and complex topic but let me just offer up as evidence the content of 60’s motown music versus that of contemporary rap music. Once official America stopped requiring black america to assimilate into a conspicuously white culture but were then allowed to change that culture in their own image, a century of racial progress was stopped cold
I just wanted to see that again.
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Whiskey:
This political alliance is based on the rising prosperity moving most women into single-hood, and playing status-games that drive them uber-left and explicitly anti-White Guy.
aka Chic Noir
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Hell, even a black Republican cannot get more than 20% of the black vote.
Obsidian – Please tell me why this is………why?……
While some have credited the fact that Republicans ended up soaking up the old Dixiecrats, I suspect that a low-tax, small government philosophy just doesn’t entice the majority of black voters despite some overlapping views in terms of conservative social values with some sectors of the black community.
Personally, I think of it this way. I am unlikely to ever become rich or pay marginal tax rates. I want a functional government that’s capable of paying for infrastructure improvements and a strong military. In other words, I must pay taxes in order to prevent America from turning into the no-tax, kleptocratic hell-hole my parents left decades ago.
Race realism is not used to “put blacks in their place” or to stroke egos, but to help show whites that they have nothing to feel guilty about and to show blacks that American society is not rigged against them.
The problem is that the vast majority of black people won’t accept the science, and they’ll simply write it off as an attempt by racists to keep black people down. To a certain extent, even white people won’t accept it because it also hints that some of them will have no chance at becoming rich and successful via their intellect, and their dreams of going to Harvard are dead. In other words, it’s the true death of American dream for a sizable chunk of the American population.
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Tood & Whiskey,
Well, there was a saying when I grew up: when you’re Black, you had to be twice as good. That saying came to mind as I read your comments, Tood, and in *some* cases, I would agree. But its important to make some very careful and clear distinctions.
Current GOP head Michael Steele, and one time PA Gubernatorial hopeful and NFL great Lynne Swann, are good examples. While neither won the offices they were running for, Steele got a lot closer than Swann, and Race in my view had little to do with it; it had to do w/the actual track records of the Men in question. In the former case, Steele had a demonstrated track record of political service; Swann did not.
Black people largely believe that a Black GOPer is in essence a Sell Out. Don’t take my word for it, look up Condi Rice or Colin Powell, for examples. Again, it comes back to Race.
Moving to Whiskey’s comments, its important to note that the intense criminality in Black America since the latter 60s, is a relatively recent thing in Black American life. To be sure, we’ve always had our share of neer do wells (check out Bill Duke’s Hoodlum, for starters), but we never had the sheer level of criminality prior to the late 60s, running up through the present really, though most pros agree it really crested during the height of the Crack Wars, from the mid 80s to mid 90s.
So, I don’t think there’s some wanderlust/bloodlust factor at work on the part of Black folk in this regard, but rather a profound change in the culture, brought about by changes in environment, that is at the root of it all. Economic and social changes.
As for the notion of “coalitions” among vastly disparate and essentially competing groups, ie White Women, Gays, Hispanics and Black folks, one of the Dems greatest weaknesses is its inability to navigate said coalitions when it really counted. We saw this during the 2008 campaign, when visable tensions began to show themselve between Black folks’ support for Obama, and White Women’s support for Clinton. History suggests we’ll see more such tensions.
The reason why we’ll see suc tensions is because the Dems have in essence, transformed themselves into a Party of identity politics, rather than as a Party of a kind of unified political theory. This is, or was, the strength of the GOP-everyone was of the same “creed” if you will. Now, being racially and to some extent, ethnically homogenuous, would I think, have to play a role. But the point is made: you can encapsulate the GOP party platform inside of 50 words or less. Can the same be said of the Dems?
I think the main problem of the “Angry White Male” is that he feels utterly helpless to battle the SWPL crowd; not only do they have the influence and power, but they seem to be gaining ground in ways big our small all the time, and the AWMs haven’t figured out a viable way to put a check on, much less reverse the tide. And so, as human nature is won’t to do, other targets are needed. Hence, I think, the rather excessive focus on things like Affirmative Action (Black) and so on. A lot of White guys know good and well that they cannot win in a “firefight” against powerful Feminist Lobbies, and also know that while Black folk have some measure of influence, they can’t make things stop on a dime like what happened to Summers.
O
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Whiskey,
Very interesting.
But I do think that Hispanics are going to clash with blacks very soon, and I am eagerly waiting for the time when Muslims clash with feminists/gays head on.
Hispanic/Black conflict sequence :
1) Hispanics are mostly in the Southwest, while blacks are mostly in the SouthEast, Mid-Atlantic, and Great Lakes urban areas. They don’t cross paths much yet.
2) But where they do both exist, clashes are already plenty (Los Angeles, Oakland)
3) Hispanics are growing in number, and within a decade, will outnumber blacks 3:2. This ensures a major Mexican/Salvadorian presence in New York, Chicago, Philly, and Washington DC.
4) Clashes over jobs, neigborhoods, Latina women with round booties, etc. are imminent
5) Hispanics are likely to win the war
…and now, my eagerly awaited Muslim/feminist conflict sequence :
1) Muslims who are actually from Islamic nations (not counting black converts) are just 3 million in America at the moment.
2) But their fertility rate is 3.0 or more, whereas white feminist fertility rates are 0.5 or less. There is no comparison, really.
3) It takes just 17 years for a baby boy to become a fighting-age jihadi, and 17 years for a baby girl to start cranking out more babies. SWPL women have their first and only child through IVF at age 40.
4) Muslims are already getting bold in Britain, demanding that pubs near Mosques shut down due to alcohol being offense to Muslims. Amazingly, pub-loving Brits are caving meekly to this.
5) Muslims will make these demands in lefty cities in America, and will be accomodated.
6) Muslims will become bolder, and demand that Islamic Law apply to their own cases of Family Law, rather than Western Family Law (also happening in Britain as we speak). Multi-culty leftists cave in and grant this.
7) Burned, bitter, divorced American men learn that a nominal conversion to Islam frees them from unfair Western divorce laws and gets them under more favorable Islamic laws. They convert – not really practicing Islam, mind you, but being nominally converted on paper, for legal purposes.
8) Feminists see this, and go apeshit that their parasitic gravy train has dried up.
9) Feminists get doubly scared now that veiled women with 3 small kids are everywhere.
10) Muslims and feminists clash. In a battle between feminists wielding law degrees vs. Muslims wielding various bladed weapons, I back the Muslims.
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DA:
To a certain extent, even white people won’t accept it because it also hints that some of them will have no chance at becoming rich and successful via their intellect, and their dreams of going to Harvard are dead. In other words, it’s the true death of American dream for a sizable chunk of the American population.
I have to say, you make a good point.
I fucking hate people.
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“They are, dipshit. You must not get out much.”
If they really were, they would be voting Republican. The gay harassment of Prop 8 black voters was not enough.
Get a clue, you stupid Omega.
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Read more here about black people vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard. Interesting social history.
LINK
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He was young enough that he would probably still be alive today. Had he lived this long, he would have prevented black culture from deteriorating after the 80s. He would have prevented the SWPL leftists from taking over the Democratic party, by steering black support away from their convoluted, condescending brand of racism.
Nah, this is fantasy. King, whatever his virtues, was also a politically correct, affirmative action loving socialist of the silliest kind. He was perfect for the SWPL crowd. Take note that, in his time, he said a bunch of crazy stuff like Barry Goldwater showing signs of “hitlerism.” We shouldn’t try to turn him into a saint.
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Toad:
If they really were, they would be voting Republican.
That would imply the ability to think in principles as opposed to a mere rejection of being lumped together with faggots.
The only blacks who don’t mind are the metro-arty types like Chic Noir.
The vast majority of blacks (and hispanics for that matter) will always have a visceral reaction to faggotry. As well they should.
The gay harassment of Prop 8 black voters was not enough
Not enough for what? Prop 8 was a frontline that highlighted a strong undercurrent that has always existed.
Get a clue, you stupid Omega.
I think I’ve got more than a few. I can recognize sarcasm when I see it, for one.
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Tood,
LOL @ your Muslim vs Feminist scenario. Bravo.
And, interestingly enough, news out of Pakistan, I think, is that the Women there are trying to fight a Taliban-backed ruling that Wives *must* sexually service their hubbies every 4 days.
Some of you may have seen my comments on marriage, raising the all important question: what rights does a Married Man have? I note, with keen interest, that no one answered.
So, Tood’s scenario might not be that far off into the distance…
O
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Roissy,
If you ever make it to Martin’s Tavern on a Thursday night, you’ll never pay for a drink.
Where pretty lies perish indeed. God Bless you.
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” is that the Women there are trying to fight a Taliban-backed ruling that Wives *must* sexually service their hubbies every 4 days. ”
Yes. Under such mandates, women usually revolt by becoming obese, hoping that that will be a deterrent.
But the level to which Britain is caving to increasingly bold Muslim demands, despite Muslims still being only 4% of Britain’s population, is remarkable.
They are getting British courts to let them apply their own Sharia Laws to matters of divorce, etc.
When British (and eventually American) men start to nominally convert on paper (much like George Costanza wanted to become Latvian Orthodox despite no genuine interest in the religion), feminists see that the gravy train is trickling away, but Muslim leaders will certainly make sure they retain their converts.
Given that Muslims have centuries of practice in converting people, while feminism has never lasted for even 50 years in any society ever, the outcome is clear.
Subpoenas vs. Scimitars. The faster process wins.
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Too true. Lots of mediocre whites out there who would never accept that having a 115 IQ does not qualify them for a high-powered career in an intellectually demanding field. Instead of race-realism, what we need is less disparity in pay across the board. There’s no reason a 130 IQ CEO should make hundreds of times as much as a 95 IQ factory worker (not to mention a 140 IQ programmer or engineer).
If those of average and even below average IQ had the opportunity to buy a house and car and raise a family on their wages (subprime loans don’t count), and eventually retire with some dignity, they probably wouldn’t give a damn about going to Harvard. Unfortunately, it’s getting to the point where even intelligent people can hardly support themselves anymore unless they are hooked in.
Of course, this would mean eradicating illegal immigration and deporting illegals, and there’s no way Obama will go for that. Hell, even the republicans get wet over mass immigration. It’s like the old slaving days. Nothing puts an American worker in his place better than a dozen 3rd worlders ready to snatch his job for a fraction of the pay.
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LOL.
Brilliant.
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“””””””””””””””””””””””””on April 16, 2009 at 12:27 am Tupac Chopra
DA:
To a certain extent, even white people won’t accept it because it also hints that some of them will have no chance at becoming rich and successful via their intellect, and their dreams of going to Harvard are dead. In other words, it’s the true death of American dream for a sizable chunk of the American population.
I have to say, you make a good point.
I fucking hate people.””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
DA DA DA you did not take the mcds challenge bro your not allowed to talk about how you can’t get rich anymore. lol
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Yea Welmer, I liked Tood’s parting shot, too. LOL!
But Welmer, while you start out on the good foot in your analysis, it kinda falls apart when you go off into the illegal immigration piece. Now, t be sure, that’s a huge problem that needs to be addressed, and like I’ve said before, I’m for resurrecting the Berlin Wall and putting it on the border, complete w/barbed wire and armed guards who have a Liscence to Kill.
Having said that though, the real issue here is, yet again, the SWPL crowd, because it is there that you’ll find the very people who make the most of the notion of being among the Cognitive Elite. Break the hold they have on academia, which directly translates to the economy, and you just might be onto something. Tossing out illegals might make you feel good for a minute, but its a lot bigger, and higher, than that.
And worse, the little dirty secret, is that many of us know it, too.
O
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Public safety and law enforcement runs against the desire of Blacks to engage in fairly brutal criminality, the Gangsta Life.
For many black people, law enforcement ends up becoming a proxy for putting young black men in jail. In other words, putting their sons, nephews, grandchildren, and boyfriends in prison. The combine that with the fact that they only see themselves being arrested and represented as criminals in local news, and one would suspect that black people end up developing theories that the criminal justice system is out to eat up all black men, especially when people spread around the whole line that more black men are in jail than in prison.
In other words, much of the conspiracy theories are based on the idea that black people see themselves as poorer than whites and always stuck with what one could call bad statistics. Then they see whites who have more than they do and seem to control everything around them. Thus, the only conclusion is that white people can control everything, and that they use this control to keep black people supressed and poor simply out of spite and hatred of black people.
I don’t begrudge Blacks this political stance and alliance, I question it’s long-term viability
I’ll take the bait and ask what should black people do?
Hard times will tend to erase the Sex and the City lifestyle and the politics that goes along with it.
Whiskey, if there are hard times, it makes beta males even less attractive. Unemployed men make for undesirable partners and poor partners, and it makes the men who are employed more desirable and increases their attraction. In other words, it can amplify the polygamy effect.
Besides, if you’re a smart beta, you’ll avoid unemployed and low wage women as they’ll only show interest for money. Sadly, most betas are too stupid to realize this, and society isn’t advanced enough to admit to it.
The single biggest tragedy in America’s 20th century history is the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King.
I don’t have access to my main desktop right now, but alternate history what-if written by a history buff concluded that the death of Robert Kennedy is what crushed liberalism to the United States and relegated it to it’s current SWPL format.
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The only blacks who don’t mind are the metro-arty types like Chic Noir.
Or the David Alexander types…
they probably wouldn’t give a damn about going to Harvard
Except for the status whores like myself who’d endure an awful marriage to get access to high IQ genes for future offspring.
Nothing puts an American worker in his place better than a dozen 3rd worlders ready to snatch his job for a fraction of the pay.
That’s the best argument for ending illegal immigration. Not claims that they’re low IQ or skirting around inferiority, but simply stating that these immigrants undercut the wages of LEGAL immigrants who spend their time and energy coming legally and native-born workers. In other words, compare those who are heavily reliant on immigrant labour to the old slaveowners who complained that their plantations wouldn’t work with paid labour.
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“but alternate history what-if written by a history buff concluded that the death of Robert Kennedy is what crushed liberalism to the United States and relegated it to it’s current SWPL format.”
Perhaps. As RFK and MLK died within 2 months of each other, it is hard to separate out the individual components of the combined impact.
But I think blacks fell further post-MLK than white Democrats fell post-RFK (despite the promising 1980s black renaissance). SWPLs like George McGovern were around just 4 years later, in 1972. But there was no black subcommunity in 1972 that resembles today’s Gangsta Rap block.
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Picture of classic Indian scimitar.
Let’s see how tough the Feministing.org crowd is when this issue moves beyond the merely hypothetical….
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Tood:
“The single biggest tragedy in America’s 20th century history is the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King.
He was young enough that he would probably still be alive today. Had he lived this long, he would have prevented black culture from deteriorating after the 80s. He would have prevented the SWPL leftists from taking over the Democratic party, by steering black support away from their convoluted, condescending brand of racism.”
in context, MLK has come out of his coma in present-day (2006) america and is none too pleased.
Enjoy!
Special thanks to everyone who took a shit on lefties today. I do not usually react to such a crude, visceral slur as “faggot,” but tonight I laughed out loud a couple times. Don’t tell my gay friends! (who, btw, have it much harder than blacks these days in terms of uniform discrimination)
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Cannon’s Canon,
There are homosexuals, and there are faggots.
There are black people, and there are (less refined black people) as Chris Rock did a famous standup bit regarding.
There are Muslims, and there are Jihadis.
There are Democrats, and there are (metaphorical) faggots.
There are Star Trek viewers, and there are Trekkies.
There are UGs, and there is Cigstache.
There are women, and there are feminists.
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not questioning you there, my man.
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Gay folk have it harder than Black folk today, Cannon? OK-please point me to the Gay folk who was lynched, made to go to places clearly marked “Gay Only”, chained and dragged behind trucks, etc. Financially, Gay folk do very well for themselves. The only thing they supposedly want is to be to get married, and have it be the same thing as you or I getting married to the gal of our choice.
Sorry, not buying for an instant this notion that somehow Gay folk *ever* had it tough in the USA, and especially anywhere near as tough as Black folk. To even allow such an equivalence, is to court the absurd.
W/all due respect, of course…
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Dave Alex makes a powerful point about the need to lord it over others, hence the status whores and wars. That’s at the nub of this thing, not Jose and Miguel crosing the border, though as he noted, they do represent an important problem. Once again, you gotta get out of the White tendency to sidestep stuff, scapegoat and be oblique, and go right to the source-the SWPL crowd. You gotta confront them directly, boldly, and have a plan to utterly break them.
Good luck with that.
As for Dave’s other point, you know this idea that there’s this cabal of Women, high or low, who are out there laying in wait for a loser Beta guy’s money, is just indicative of how ignorant Dave really is. It just ain’t so, contrary to his hardest wishes so it can then justify his own failures with Women and by extension, with Life. The reality is that Women have been fully self supporting for at last a generation if not longer-they don’t need your money-and if ever this was true, its true in the Black community, where unemployment among Black Men are easily what, 5, 6 times, or more, than White Men? Oh, and if Dave thinks you need money to get a Woman, I can disabuse him of that anytime he’s ready; there are scores of Black Men who don’t have regular work fuckin like bunnies-and no, they ain’t just bangin “low” Women; keep in mind that Black Women go to school and work on a par with and often exceeding White Women. They just looking for some Good Wood, and know where to get it.
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panther, being panther:
“While the rest of us get our blood pressure soaring(hi lurker and willard) he manages to always stay cool.”
—said the woman defending hate group terrorists liek their her grandfather.
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chuckie, being my bitch again:
“Code Red is fear-mongering which you say is the point of the DHS report.”
—both parts of that sentence wrong, red. Code Red was about giving people an adequate warning about the terror threat level based on something called “facts.” It had nothing to do with “fear mongering” because it was based on evidentiary standards.
The point of the DHS report is to attack right-wingers and promote fear mongering about them precisely it is without facts.
Game, set, match, bitch.
“there’s a good chance that right-wingish fringe groups might use the current conditions to foster growth in their groups’ numbers.”
—with what evidence, Chuckie? Exactly, none.
“People like you and roissy and other right wingers are creating a VLWC assuming that liberals are trying to bait *all* conservatives with this.”
—when a far left-wing government releases a factless, groundless report targeting all right winger groups as the same, without differentiating, and stating that right wing issues of the day lead to terrorism without proof—yes, that is baiting all conservatives. And when done so just before major right wing protests?
“you’re the ones giving this report a full head of steam and assigning intent when it looks to me like a report stating nothing but the obvious.”
–again, ginger bitch, there are no facts supporting either the reports or your blatant assertions. It is only your beliefs about right wing causes—unsupported by facts—that make you think they are obvious. This is like stating there is a vast jewish conspiracy because “isn’t it obvious?”
“i just think you’re crazy if you think there was a link between this minor report and the timing of the tea parties.”
–a major governmental report without facts asserting all right wing causes are terrorist-leaning released just before major right wing demonstrations. Chuck, remove head from anus, please.
“i said threats of violence or acts of violence designed to intimidate.”
“so you’re more intimidated by peta members setting smoke bombs in animal labs”
—explosive bombs, kiddo. as in the kind that kill
“or spray painting fur coats than you are some skin head or klansman putting a burning cross in someone’s yard or hanging a noose on someone’s door.”
—difference, bitch: when was the last noose put on someone’s door? the last cross burned? But when was the last fur beating? something tells me the latter is much more common now than the former. Although you think Mississippi Burning is a modern tale and not from the 1950s.
“usually these are empty threats, but that threat is more real than anything peta can do.”
–so its ok if people feel threatened so long as you, the all knowing Chuck, know the truth, that PETA won’t do much more, because Chuck knows they won’t?
“i still haven’t seen you post anything about peta or acorn harming any human in recent memory. threats of violence without works is empty. until peta or acorn do some damage to people, don’t step to me with that.”
–you deliberately obtuse bitch. when groups like PETA have recently attacked people with paint, vandalised animal labs, and planted bombs, and you claim “well, because the harm hasn’t been that bad, its not harm” its the most disingenuous left wing defense I have heard since people defended Nobama for befriending Ayers.
“so you claim 6 degrees of separation when it comes to mcveigh and his conspirators, who committed crimes *after* meeting, but you don’t see the same thing when you try to compare ayers and obama, the latter of which committed crimes *before* their meeting?”
—-WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT. If someone befriended McVeigh now (were he still alive), called him a family friend, and made him a mentor, that person would be scum. Why? McVeigh was an unrepentant terrorst, proud of killing people, wishing he had done more.
Nobama befriended Ayers, who is proud of his attempted murder and bombsetting, and claimed that Ayers is forgiven not because he is sorry (which he isn’t) but because Ayers called the American system of education racist.
Get the point, asswipe? It’s like being friends with O.J. Nobama proved he was a piece of shit. For you to defend this scum bag because it happened before he knew Ayers is the most asinine, illogical defense since…well, the media did it.
“If you’re worried about biasedness in DHS, check this report out. It was published January 26, 2009… Was this considered fear-mongering? ”
—you’ll note, dingbat, that the report names specific groups and instances, and points out the potential damage such groups specifically have caused recently–hence, stating facts supporting their conclusion. This is the exact opposite of the right wing report, which names *no* specific groups and names *no* damage they have caused.
“So who is drinking the Kool-aid? who is taking their talking points from Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin?”
—any asshole making such a ham-fisted defense of Nobama for befriended unrepentant terrorists is clearly on the kool-aid. And considering the marching orders you’re blindly following from dailykos, michael moore and jon stewart, I’d say people in glass houses, bitch…
Chuck, you get loonier and more illogical with every post. Nobama is a piece of terrorist coddling extremist babykilling scum, and the report is a political hackjob by the Nobama amdinistration using the tools of government to produce unfounded propaganda to attack the right wing protests planned for one week following the report.
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Ob:
“Gay folk have it harder than Black folk today, Cannon?”
Yes, sir.
“OK-please point me to the Gay folk who was lynched, made to go to places clearly marked “Gay Only”, chained and dragged behind trucks, etc.”
The James Byrd, Jr. (black) murder is actually a few months older than the Matthew Shepard (gay) case. These stick out to me as the two most recent ‘landmark’ hate crimes. We’ll call this a wash unless you have more to add. Since that was your only valid counterpoint, as lynchings and segregation have never been a presence in my generation, I claim a victory over your emotional appeal to the evils of racism, especially since I qualified myself with “today.”
“Financially, Gay folk do very well for themselves.”
Within their minority, the majority of gays are white. This is consistent with gays’ perceived financial mean versus other minorities.
“The only thing they supposedly want is to be (able) to get married, and have it be the same thing as you or I getting married to the gal of our choice.” This was actually not where I was going at all with my statement. The benefits of marriage rights for gays (and anyone else) are tax breaks and joint healthcare eligibility. As a single man, I am penalized by these concessions at the proportion of my own required contributions to taxes and healthcare costs, which must inherently be higher. Gay marriage is a dandy concept in terms of “equal rights,” but somehow I am the one getting shafted on the other “equal” side. Fundamentally, I would oppose all legal marriage… a separation of church and state thing. But that’s digressing.
The empirical evidence I will cite, so no one accuses me of ‘not getting out very much,’ was my first “gay” house party I attended a couple months ago. (I figured I’d have great social proof and clean up with the straight girls) The biggest impression was how astounded a few of the gay guys were that I would not only willingly mingle with them, but also that I could behave normally and not show any noticeable discomfort at some of their extremely fruity ways. Recognizing this inspired a new empathy in me for how their experiences in the real world have trained them to “behave,” minimizing their natural personalities (not to suggest that flaunting any extreme level of sexuality is acceptable in public or in a professional setting). I wasn’t cognizant of the constraints that are obviously in place based on the reactions I observed.
Now, my contrast to this would be the multitude of black-dominated environments I’ve been a part of. House parties, college classrooms, even eating lunch at the ‘black’ table at work. Never once have I “impressed” any of my black friends with my ‘tolerance,’ which could just be mistaken for blind courtesy and an expectation of politeness (wink). To the contrary, the more common (but far from exclusive) “vibe” is much more indignant to my presence as an outsider. At the very least, my black peers generally go about behaving exactly the same as they normally would. This is what I mean when I say it is “easier” to be black than gay today.
Let’s assume my core ingredients are constant (same education history, economic demographic, intellect, physique, etc.). Suspending all PC obedience to ask which “handicap” I would rather grow up with **today**, I would rather be black than gay: I believe it would be the path of less resistance toward fulfilling my financial, professional, and social potentials. Despite the landmark election of a black president and its implied shattering of barriers, can you EVER imagine a gay chief of state? I still cannot.
Now gay blacks, sheeeeit.
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I’d like to see a whole gathering of feminists, singing in unison :
“How do you solve a problem like Sharia???”
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Lurker:
“—both parts of that sentence wrong, red. Code Red was about giving people an adequate warning about the terror threat level based on something called “facts.”It had nothing to do with “fear mongering” because it was based on evidentiary standards.”
Oh, lurker, you had an inside track on the evidence? Bush and Co. famously refused to provide evidence for their Terror Threat level changes. Do you not remember all of the cries about fear-mongering? It’s the same lame argument you’re spouting.
“—when a far left-wing government releases a factless, groundless report targeting all right winger groups as the same, without differentiating, and stating that right wing issues of the day lead to terrorism without proof—yes, that is baiting all conservatives. And when done so just before major right wing protests?”
Far left-wing? Obama’s purported tax hikes would be 10% *lower* than Reagan’s highest marginal tax rates. Obama is carrying on the financial system bailout set in motion by his predecessor. With what metric are you saying this government is “far left-wing”?
If you assume the government is targeting all right-wing groups as equal, then you’re making one lofty assumption. Nowhere did the report imply that. You actually think the government is going to keep the same eye on “Americans for Prosperity” as they are for “Aryan Brotherhood”?
I can’t believe you actually fell into the trap of believing that this report was *timed* to coincide with the Tea Baggers. When was the report released? I’ll give you a minute to bone up on calendar use……April 7 is the correct answer. You took too long.
When did the report hit mainstream media? April 15. Who released it? Stephen Gordon of “the Liberty Papers” posted it on April 12. So who exactly is master of this conspiracy to foil the Tea Baggers?
“–again, ginger bitch, there are no facts supporting either the reports or your blatant assertions. It is only your beliefs about right wing causes—unsupported by facts—that make you think they are obvious. This is like stating there is a vast jewish conspiracy because “isn’t it obvious?””
Well then if there are no right-wing extremist groups formed or soon-to-be formed, there won’t be a problem. The report merely asserts that there is a good possiblity that such increased activity will occur. It has happened before increasing the possibility that it can happen again. Should we sit idly by and pretend that these issues don’t exist? Further, would you even be opposed to an attack by right-wing extremists? How would you feel about a replay of the OKC bombings?
“–a major governmental report without facts asserting all right wing causes are terrorist-leaning released just before major right wing demonstrations. Chuck, remove head from anus, please.”
You forgot to add, outed by a conservative and released a week previous to said major demonstration.
“—explosive bombs, kiddo. as in the kind that kill”
Kill? When? Are we talking about the OKC bombings here? Must be because that’s the only bomb I remember killing anyone in recent memory in this country.
“—difference, bitch: when was the last noose put on someone’s door? the last cross burned? But when was the last fur beating? something tells me the latter is much more common now than the former. Although you think Mississippi Burning is a modern tale and not from the 1950s.”
You know, I’m annoyed by PETA. I really hate trying to defend them. They are a nuisance, not a terror threat. Spray painting a fur is disrespectful, annoying, and worthy of getting punched in the head, but it is not fear-inducing. Maybe you’d be scared if some hipster douche tried to spray paint you, but it doesn’t really phase me.
Cross burning and rope hanging are a reminder of past physical violence towards blacks that have been going on in this country for decades. Often it is a veiled threat, but it still packs a much greater punch than being spray painted. A cross or a noose is aimed at a person who has no control over a certain characteristic. Google that shit and you’ll see plenty of cases of cross burnings.
And something tells you the latter is much more common? That something is your brain, and you’ve displayed for all to see that that can’t be trusted.
“–so its ok if people feel threatened so long as you, the all knowing Chuck, know the truth, that PETA won’t do much more, because Chuck knows they won’t?”
Lurker, I’m glad you realize who your master is, but please don’t grovel.
“—-WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT. If someone befriended McVeigh now (were he still alive), called him a family friend, and made him a mentor, that person would be scum. Why?”
Your reading comprehension skills are making this really difficult, but luckily, I’m a patient man. You claim that there is no network of right-wing extremists at work even though McVeigh knew Nichols who were in business with militia men in Michigan who knew Elohim City men who were in with The Order who killed a radio host.
You don’t use your 6 degrees of separation logic when it comes to Obama and Ayers. Sure the two knew each other, but they happened to live in the same neighborhood and were bigwigs in their fields. Instead of the story being Obama and Ayers were acquaintances, you make it out to be that they were in cahoots together. It’s simply not true.
“—you’ll note, dingbat, that the report names specific groups and instances, and points out the potential damage such groups specifically have caused recently–hence, stating facts supporting their conclusion. This is the exact opposite of the right wing report, which names *no* specific groups and names *no* damage they have caused.”
It names two or three and provides no such detail. So what is the last admitted transgression by right-wingers that you’d freely admit to?
“—any asshole making such a ham-fisted defense of Nobama for befriended unrepentant terrorists is clearly on the kool-aid. And considering the marching orders you’re blindly following from dailykos, michael moore and jon stewart, I’d say people in glass houses, bitch…”
Befriend is a word you’re throwing on the relationship yourself. I have many neighbors that I speak to on occasion, yet none of them are friends. FWIW, I don’t watch or pay attention to left wing media.
“Chuck, you get loonier and more illogical with every post. Nobama is a piece of terrorist coddling extremist babykilling scum, and the report is a political hackjob by the Nobama amdinistration using the tools of government to produce unfounded propaganda to attack the right wing protests planned for one week following the report.”
This is the bedrock of my argument and your insanity. The report explicitly states that it has minimized names of U.S. persons. The report, if read within context, is merely a sort of debriefing. It is 9 pages long for God’s sake. A formal government report, replete with names and groups would be hundreds of pages long.
You conservatives act as if this is purely a rhetorical, anonymous, fear-mongering piece of propaganda meant to disrupt the Tea Parties. It is not. It’s merely a series of points that lead to an argument that right-wing extremism *may* be on the rise.
Any assumption of a vast conspiracy is due to either insanity or stupidity, or in Lurker’s case, both.
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Thursday – Nah, this is fantasy. King, whatever his virtues, was also a politically correct, affirmative action loving socialist of the silliest kind. He was perfect for the SWPL crowd.
Not only perfect for him but partly created by an earlier version of them.
Remember there were complaints from within the black community the MLK was owned and operated by White Folks, particularly Jews.
MLK was stabbed in the chest and almost killed by a black female who was all wound up by a lot of anti-MLK talk in NYC spread by the black muslims.
MLK was obviously a fraud but that wasn’t all his fault. SWPL America was looking for a Great Black Hope and they found it in him. The fact that he was killed in 1968 helped his legacy. By that time his power as a leader had dried up and his wife was about to divorce him.
Had he lived he would have been a dried up, has been divorced preacher whose homosexual affairs would have been expose.
He was killed and thereby turned into America’s Black Jesus.
It’s a shame that MLK was built up like a savior and A.G. Gaston was almost completely ignored. Blacks, and America, would be better off with more A.G. Gastons and fewer MLKs and MLK wannabees.
The reason why blacks are tied to the Democrats and reject Republicans is about economics and racial “loyalty”. Black just think they can get more “stuff” from the Democrats and they’re probably right.
They are like children and they see the Democrats as a spoiling mommy and the Republicans as a harsh daddy. So they chose mommy.
Plus, let’s face it a lot of blacks fear, hate and envy White America. They view the Republican party as a threat because it isn’t filled with racially self hating SWPL type White folks like the Democrats. No White people with any racial pride and self respect can be SWPL Democrats just like heterosexual men can’t have homosexual sex. It’s disgusting. So to blacks Democrat White folks are basically non-threatening White Uncle Toms they believe they can “Game” in a racial political sense.
Many blacks fear that AIDS, drugs and genocidal conspiracies are being used to exterminate them. And they view Republicans as the perpetrators and Democrats as their potential saviors.
Blacks also fear White racial retaliation for black on White crime. Black America has a long standing fear of this. The fear that innocent black males will be lynched for the crimes of guilty ones. And we all know which party is filled with the more aggressive White men who in theory might do this.
Then you have the issue of black racism and hatred for White people. Don’t underestimate this. Look at the inter-racial crime statistics. Not the media coverage, look at the facts. It’s brutal.
Remember that black racist terrorists like Willie Horton are FAR, FAR more common than are black victims like James Byrd. And the fact that black folks are still upset by the Republican ad featuring Willie Horton than they are by his black racist savagery against innocent White folks is itself more evidence of black callousness and hatred for White people. They are bothered by the ad but not the reality it represents.
If blacks really believed like MLK said – “Judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skins” – they would sympathize with the White victims of Willie Horton and OJ Simpson and not with those black criminals. Remember that.
But remember also while black folks continue to obsess on hating Whitey they are sidestepping the reality that the new Hispanic minority will out number them and increasingly out compete them for Democratic party spoils.
And there aint gonna be a whole lotta SWPL type Latinos in black America’s future to coddle them.
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The AK47 thing:
The AK is commonly compared to the M16, standard issue weapon for US military, at least when I was in 10+ years ago. The comparative advantages/disadvantages are commonly understood as follows:
AK: larger rounds and greater rate of fire than the M16. Larger rounds inflict greater damage but they also weigh more, burdening the fighter with a heavier supply of rounds he needs to carry on him. The AK is less accurate when firing at the enemy across longer distances. Best in close quarters.
M16: smaller rounds are easier to carry in large quantities but less lethal. Big advantage of the M16: long-range accuracy. The M16’s best feature. Effectiveness at up to 300 meters; great for longer range sniping between dug-in forces, which is more common in combat than close-quarters shootouts.
The biggest problem with the M16, at least back in “my day” was the ubiquitous complaints of jamming if not perfectly clean. Big problem in muddy Vietnam firefights or dusty Gulf War I combat.
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Black folk didn’t have a hand in Slavery, White Men did.
Nope. Slavery would have been impossible without the active cooperation of black tribal leaders in Africa, who sold captive males to the slavers. African slavery existed long before whitey came; whitey just provided a new market and new demand.
“How were all these numerous unfortunate Africans enslaved and purchased? African scholars and politicians today must be honest and admit that the enslavement and sale of Africans from the seventeenth century onwards was done by the Africans themselves, especially the coastal kings and their elders, and that very few Europeans actually ever marched inland and captured slaves themselves. Africans became enslaved mainly through four ways: first, criminals sold by the chiefs as punishment; secondly, free Africans obtained from raids by African and a few European gangs, thirdly, domestic slaves resold, and fourthly, prisoners of war.” (Adu Boahen, University of Ghana)
The problem with calling Nazi-ism a party of the Left is that the Nazis put leftists in concentration camps.
Well, yeah, but so did Stalin. Nobody killed more Communists than Stalin! Is he “right-wing”?
You claim that there is no network of right-wing extremists at work even though McVeigh knew Nichols who were in business with militia men in Michigan who knew Elohim City men who were in with The Order who killed a radio host.
Is there a source for this?
You would think Nichols or Fortier would try to cut a deal with the Feds to nail some of these mysterious extremists.
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The problem with calling Nazi-ism a party of the Left is that the Nazis put leftists in concentration camps. Communists & socialists were among the first to be arrested
By the same token Stalin wasn’t a leftist, since he exterminated almost all the initial revolutionaries. If you don’t know, the greatest murderer of communists in Latin America is not Pinochet or the Argentinian Junta, but Fidel Castro , who also decimated all the initial revolutionaries, inter alli, except his faggish brother.
You should know that just prior to the Luffwaffe bombing, Guernica was the scene of the massacre of hundreds of anarchists by their communists brothers.
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Heard on the radio this morning that Hulk Hogan made a comment as to understanding OJ’s feelings and desire to kill his ex. Quoting Hogan from memory:
“If you live 30 minutes from your $10M mansion you’re not allowed to enter and you see some 19-year-old boy driving your Escalade and sleeping in your bed with your wife, you understand the desire to do an OJ and cut people’s throats.”
Reminds me of the ever-prescient insight of my o m e g a male friend Ace. Back in ’94 he was the only white person I knew who sympathized with OJ. He said that “he understands OJ.”
As an o m e g a, Ace certainly understood from an early age the depths of cruelty a woman can go in tormenting a man she feels contempt for.
There is also a Game lesson here: a classic tale of tragedy brough on by the hubris of the super Alpha. The lesson lies in exposing the achilles heel of the kind of alphas who can have any woman they want — these guys end up marrying the hottest women in teh world and pay no attention to the quality of their character.
And what kind of a woman gravitates to super-Alpha celebrity males? More often that not, a mercenary.
OJ married a mercenary. The Hulkster married a mercenary. And those women were these guys’ undoing. A story as old as Samson and Delilah.
That’s why I tell guys an important LTR strategy: marry a girl who is just over your attractiveness threshold, but with the best personality possible.
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I am with OJ also.
There was a case in the 70s where a betrayed husband killed his wife and her lover in bed. The guy was arrested and during the trial his lawyer argued that he killed in defense of his honor. The jury agreed and the husband went free.
In the 60s there was another similar case. A guy was married, his wife aged, he got a younger girl as a lover. But instead of keeping it low profile, he started to go to the places he used to go with his wife with the lover. Restaurants, theater, museums, etc etc. He started buying expensive gifts for her. The wife and her sister killed his lover. He was also acquited, because the jury thought the girl was a whore who threatened the stability of the brazilian family. He divorced his wife after trial.
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I have a question for Lurker,
Which cock will you suck first?
(a)Bill O’Reilly cock with a side order of tossing Rush Limbaugh’s salad?
(b)Rush Limbaugh’s cock with a reach around from Sean hannity?
(c)Sean hannity’s cock with a dirty sanchez from Glenn Beck
(d)Glenn beck’s cock with a special facial from Roissy?
Hmmm….I think that might be a tough one for you. Or do you just prefer to suck all five cocks simultaneously? ROFLMAO.
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TEABAGGING PICTURES….that must have been lurker! LOL.
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I know lurker is nuts and all… but gay shit is gay shit, no matter how noble your ends. Don’t you feel a little dirty typing ‘Glenn Beck’s cock’ at 930 in the morning?
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Darth Maul
Were you masturbating when you wrote that?
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Total posts: 381
Total posts by lurker: 150?
Seriously, STFU. It’s becoming quite a chore to constantly have to scroll past your posts without reading them, and they are often back to back to back.
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PA,
Thank you for the expert explainer, not only were in the Army, but you were relatively recently (around the time of the first Gulf War, yes?). Therefore, your insights wrt AK47 and M16 are in my view, highly legitimate.
Question: it is my understanding that snipers are a smaller unit of the overall military; the Marines tend to specialize more in marksmanship generally, and also tend to have more snipers, they’re motto even being, every Marine a Rifleman.
Having said that though, would you agree that the average Army Infantryman wouldn’t necessarily be a sharpshooter? And that what was/is needed is a kind of weapon comparable to an AK in that it packs a bigger “punch” and is more able to withstand the harsh environments where today’s conflicts are likely to be waged? I’d love to get your views on all this.
Lastly, a little while back I was reading up on the SAW, of Sqaud Assault Weapon. Used by the USMC and NATO forces, the reports have been mixed, with complaints of similar jamming and the like which reminds one of the M16, though the purpose was a bit different as I understand.
Finally, I wholeheartedly agree with your comments on Hulk Hogan, and here I must say that I’m with Doug, a Woman shouldn’t be able to take half or more of a Man’s hardwon earnings; she should get a humane and just settlement, but not half.
Chris Rock spoke to the OJ issue back then; I’m not sayin its right, but I understand…
O
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DEFAULT USER,
Was i masturbating? Absolutely……on your mother.
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SEEKING Alpha,
930 in the morning?
Not in my part of the world.
Besides, your wife loves me…..*wink* *wink*
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Not possible. My mother does not work in a mental institution or a prison. And I am certain you are posting from one of those.
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Default User,
Sorry to break this to you, but………
Your mom is a slut.
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Once again, Willard does the Charlie Brown’s Math Teacher thing, only out the side of his neck.
He says that MLK had gay affairs? Proof please?
He says that Black on White crime is supa dupa high-let’s compare that to Black on Black crime rates, hmm?
He says that Black folks are rabidly racist-OK, so where are the comparable groups to the Klan? Hmm? With attendant murder rates of Whites? Good luck with that.
Its human nature to get with those who promise you stuff. Black folk are no different. After the Southern Strategy of the late 60s, the GOP didn’t see it necessary to make a case to African Americans for their votes, and this pretty much holds true today.
Oh, and Willie, how about those Black Male marital figures per the US Census? Do they marry Black Women more, or White Women more?
Holla back Willie…
O
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He says that Black on White crime is supa dupa high-let’s compare that to Black on Black crime rates, hmm?
The proper comparison is with white on black, not black on black.
He says that Black folks are rabidly racist-OK, so where are the comparable groups to the Klan? Hmm? With attendant murder rates of Whites?
Unorganized (“random”) black murder of whites is worse than the klan ever was.
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WTF causes a comment to hang fire? I posted something a while back and I don’t see it.
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Obsidian Sez:
“Lastly, a little while back I was reading up on the SAW, of Sqaud Assault Weapon.”
No, you were not. If you had been, you would have used the actual name. The A stands for Automatic:
http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m249.html
Stick with the “world-reknown” accuracy of the AK stuff. It reads better…
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chic noir
“firepower – Ha lurker hates me.”
that usually means the Fuck of The Century
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Ah, Chuck, my bitch, opening his mouth wide for my cock:
Lurker:
“Bush and Co. famously refused to provide evidence for their Terror Threat level changes. Do you not remember all of the cries about fear-mongering? It’s the same lame argument you’re spouting.”
–right. I remember how the threat level was directly correlated to the amount of democrat extremism going on, without proof. You’re right, had nothing to do possible terror attacks, it was all about how well the left was demonstrating. Bullshit much?
“Far left-wing? Obama’s purported tax hikes would be 10% *lower* than Reagan’s highest marginal tax rates. Obama is carrying on the financial system bailout set in motion by his predecessor. With what metric are you saying this government is “far left-wing”?”
—hmmm, maybe where he believes pulling a live baby out of the womb and then killing it is ok? Where he believes in “spreading the wealth around?” Where he believes affirmative action must be expanded and strengthened? Where he believes some people unfairly have success and its the government’s job to take their money away? Where he believes its the government’s job to mentor youth, cut greenhouse emissions? Where he only befriends those people who are Marxist professors? Where his own preacher danced with joy at sept 11th? Where he believes spending after spending will somehow get us out of debt, like a drunken housewife?
What part of left-wing nutcase don’t you get, chuckie baby?
“If you assume the government is targeting all right-wing groups as equal, then you’re making one lofty assumption. ”
—Or I am merely reading the report verbatim. What you gonna believe, Chuckie, or your lying eyes?
“Nowhere did the report imply that. You actually think the government is going to keep the same eye on “Americans for Prosperity” as they are for “Aryan Brotherhood”? ”
—Since they don’t bother to differentiate between the 2 in the official government report, yes, you moron.
“I can’t believe you actually fell into the trap of believing that this report was *timed* to coincide with the Tea Baggers. When was the report released? I’ll give you a minute to bone up on calendar use……April 7 is the correct answer. You took too long. ”
—Chuck, are you reallyu so daft? They released it only a week before known scheduled and large right wing activitity. This ain’t coincidence. they wanted this talking point, factless and groundless as it is, in the media’s hands so they could attack the right wingers as extremists.
:”When did the report hit mainstream media? April 15. Who released it? Stephen Gordon of “the Liberty Papers” posted it on April 12. So who exactly is master of this conspiracy to foil the Tea Baggers? ”
—Correction, you ginger haired left wing troll: it was announced to the right winger blogosphere on that date. It was released to the MSM on April 7th—probably with flowers from Rahm-bo and a knowing wink.
“Well then if there are no right-wing extremist groups formed or soon-to-be formed, there won’t be a problem. ”
—lmao rofl. Or the media and FBI will spend useless resources trying to track down such activities bolstered by the report, witchunting conservatives while left wingers who are truly violent go free. Do you not get politics, and an enemies list, kid?
“Should we sit idly by and pretend that these issues don’t exist? Further, would you even be opposed to an attack by right-wing extremists? How would you feel about a replay of the OKC bombings?”
—lol. All you have is one event more than 10 years ago, and you keep jumping on it like its proof of activity today. The report should not have been released unless there had been actual facts supporting the assertions. There weren’t; the issues do not exist without proof.
“You forgot to add, outed by a conservative and released a week previous to said major demonstration. ”
—wrong, ousted into an enraged right wing blogosphere in the moments before the protests, showing us exacty how Obama had directed the MSM to pain the tea party goers. The report, released on April 7th, was designed to give the left talking points without proof.
“Kill? When? Are we talking about the OKC bombings here? Must be because that’s the only bomb I remember killing anyone in recent memory in this country.”
—so you’re saying tis perfectly ok for PETA to blow up animal labs if they mistakenly don’t kill anyone? Well, thanks for the moral equivalency there, leftie. And please, mention McVeigh again, so it seems like you have more than one instance, fucker.
“You know, I’m annoyed by PETA. I really hate trying to defend them. They are a nuisance, not a terror threat.”
—when you blow shit up to get a political change, YOU ARE A TERROR THREAT. When the protesters at the G8 and the RNC committ vandalism and try to attack cops, that’s a terror threat.
“Cross burning and rope hanging are a reminder of past physical violence towards blacks that have been going on in this country for decades. Often it is a veiled threat, but it still packs a much greater punch than being spray painted. ”
–so chuckie expects me to do his research for his unfounded accusations, and yet tries to argue that veiled threats like cross burnings 50 years ago are worse today than a blown up lab.
Please go defend Ayers, you worthless sack of liberal shit.
“—-WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT. If someone befriended McVeigh now (were he still alive), called him a family friend, and made him a mentor, that person would be scum. Why?”
“You claim that there is no network of right-wing extremists at work even though McVeigh knew Nichols who were in business with militia men in Michigan who knew Elohim City men who were in with The Order who killed a radio host.”
—oh you worhtless faggot. 4 people 13 years ago IS NOT A VRWC.
“You don’t use your 6 degrees of separation logic when it comes to Obama and Ayers. Sure the two knew each other, but they happened to live in the same neighborhood and were bigwigs in their fields. Instead of the story being Obama and Ayers were acquaintances, you make it out to be that they were in cahoots together. It’s simply not true.”
—Ayers and the Nobamas are family friends, according to Ayers himself. Tell me shithead, if you knew you lived next to OJ, would you befriend him, or move the hell away? See what normal people do? See what nutcase extremists do?
“Befriend is a word you’re throwing on the relationship yourself. I have many neighbors that I speak to on occasion, yet none of them are friends. FWIW, I don’t watch or pay attention to left wing media. ”
–right. You juust adamently defend their terrorist groups and dear leader and spout their talking points. And Ayers and and NOBAMA ARE FAMILY FRIENDS!
“A formal government report, replete with names and groups would be hundreds of pages long. ”
–Translation: we got nothing, but we sure can make this shit up.
“You conservatives act as if this is purely a rhetorical, anonymous, fear-mongering piece of propaganda meant to disrupt the Tea Parties. It is not. ”
–an idiot Nobama apologist like GingerBitch will never believe any anti-Nobama evidence placed in front of him. To him, all is sweetness and light, and Nobama will save all. What a maroon. You could show him a picture of Nobama strangling an old lady and Chuckie would argue she’s a member of the VRWC and anti-american.
Bite me, you delusional GingerBitch.
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PA, I don’t think either you or your o m e g a friend can know much about the Simpson marriage. Nicole Simpson wasn’t contemptuous of her husband; she was one of those women who are addicted to controlling, violent men. Even after they split, she used to try to contact him, according to the accounts I read (which were quite sympathetic to her), and he found it hard to get away from her. If she taunted him, it was in the hope of getting him back.
She was a silly shallow woman from a mercenary family who were financially dependent on her ex-husband. But perhaps that’s the risk a man runs when he gets involved with a girl who’s still in high school, makes her his ‘mistress’ and buys her expensive presents that her parents allow her to keep. None of that justifies murder, though.
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Black just think they can get more “stuff” from the Democrats and they’re probably right.
It’s pointless to offer the promise of low
That’s why I tell guys an important LTR strategy: marry a girl who is just over your attractiveness threshold, but with the best personality possible.
Mind you, in that in my case, that would require me to basically continue to use porn, or lead to attempts to cheat on said girl with women who are better looking and more sexually appealing which IMHO in both cases defeats the purpose of a long-term relationship.
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Obisidian,
I’m still not sure what you mean exactly re: Larry Summers but if you mean to argue that cognitive abilities seem to mean less to race realists vis a vis white women than blacks, then I don’t really agree. White women also have a mean IQ of about 100, like white men, versus 85 for blacks. However, the standard deviation for the white female IQ bell curve is much lower than that for men which is why you don’t see very many women in the top ranks of intellectual achievement throughout history (nor as many female imbeciles).
White women, with their higher mean IQ, are not as underqualified for their affirmative action jobs as are blacks. But I think the main reason race realists and traditionalists don’t focus on affirmative action for white women the way they do for blacks is because feminism has ravaged society in much worse ways that cry out for more attention such as overturning the understanding of gender roles in traditional society. This is a more fundamental question that asks not: Should she be given that job/post given her qualifications? But instead asks: Should she be working at all given that she has small children?
But to your larger point, I agree. Given that race realists are largely white, I’m sure they see white women as part of “their people” in a way they don’t see blacks. This is part of human nature and is unavoidable but does not impugn the credibility of their criticisms.
Onto Hip Hop (capital “H” I guess). No, I’m not a scholar or a listener, nor do I wish to be, nor do I need to be to draw important conclusions about what the mainstream of this art form has to say about American society. I once saw Chuck D give a talk at my university where he said that Hip Hop was a culture and rap was the music. Fine. However, I know what he meant when he rapped Fight the Power. Just like I know what Ice-T meant when he wrote Cop Killa or Race War. And what Apache meant when he wrote Kill d’White People or what Bone Thugs-N-Harmony meant with No Surrender and on and on. These are mainstream, Grammy award-winning rappers, and I haven’t even left the 90’s yet.
I don’t want to get into a debate about Hip Hop and I don’t need to in order to demonstrate that organized black America (not every single black person) has been largely hostile to America and white America over the last several decades. The LA riots were one example. Another was when black america erupted in an orgy of delight when the obviously guilty stone-cold killer OJ Simpson was acquitted of brutally murdering two white people. Kanye West slandered a sitting U.S. president in the worst way on national television and there was no outrage from black america. Spike Lee’s racist conspiracy theories about Hurricane Katrina. There are many other examples, such as organized black america’s continued call for further wealth redistribution even after decades and trillions of dollars of tribute paid.
These are not the actions of a people who fully appreciate nor recognize the unprecedented collective decision, a decision motivated by Christian charity and magnanimity, made by post-Civil War America to allow the freed slaves to remain here as full citizens under the law. A decision allowing them to living amongst a society and a civilization far more advanced than anything they would be able to create for themselves.
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Hey Morris I’m just about to head out to the firing range, how about I pick you up? Gotta test out the accuracy of that AK we talked about.
Tarl, can you provide evidence that Black folks committed acts of violence and murder on Whites that are comparable to the Klan’s acts of violence and murder on Blacks? Citations, please?
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Darth Maul….
Your argument style is adversarial at best…Its hard to take someone seriously with an “oh yeah! well you’re a jerk”….approach. Use some intelligence and facts if you want any respect.
I am more than happy to listen to a point of view different than my own as long as its not stupid and hostile.
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would you agree that the average Army Infantryman wouldn’t necessarily be a sharpshooter? And that what was/is needed is a kind of weapon comparable to an AK in that it packs a bigger “punch” and is more able to withstand the harsh environments where today’s conflicts are likely to be waged?
(All of my comments below are based on my experience a good number of years ago. I’m not familiar with it at the present.)
The Army has a similar motto to the USMC, in that every soldier is an infantryman. To simply pass (which everyone must) you shoot over a certain score. It’s not extremely difficult. Most people pass it on their first or second try.
I am not too familiar with the AK. Much more so with the M16, which I know extremely well as far as its feel, parts, cleaning, etc. Memories…
As you mentioned, it was extremely prone to jamming when not perfectly clean. I don’t know if they’ve worked out that glitch since my time.
But again, a few things I like about the M16:
– It is lightweight (much lighter than the AK, I think) and very good as a hand-to-hand weapon. I don’t know the AK that well. But with the M16, it’s very wieldy for bayonette thrusts and slashes, for parrying, and for buttstroking.
– very easy to disassemble, clean, assemble.
– long-range accuracy. Close-quarters firefights are photogenic in movies and videogames, but typical combat is more similar to the scene in Forrest Gump where unseen opponents are shooting at you from a distance. Even today in Iraq you’re more likely to see guys dug in behind cover, exchanging fire with guys dug in across a large open space or in a distant building.
– The three-round burst feature instead of the full auto. It keeps you from wasting rounds or panic-spraying.
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PA – Heard on the radio this morning that Hulk Hogan made a comment as to understanding OJ’s feelings and desire to kill his ex.
Mel Gibson may have to pay out half a BILLION in his up coming divorce! $500 million dollar jackpot.
But they have been married 30 years and she raised their 7 children and she married him when he had close to nothing.
These guys want it both ways. They want the older mommy/wife at home and they want to fool around with the young girls on the side. What recourse do women have if they don’t like that situation?
Obsidian – He says that MLK had gay affairs? Proof please?
Not only MLK but also Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Bayard Rustin and others in The Movement.
Religion and political activism attracts sexual perverts more than most occupations. This transcends race.
In fact Malcolm was the kept boy of an old White gay guy in Boston when he was a hustler.
You aint gonna see that in the Spike Lee film ’cause black America aint ready to see Denzel Washington giving some old White fag a blow job.
He says that Black on White crime is supa dupa high-let’s compare that to Black on Black crime rates, hmm?
The proper comparison is to White on black crime. As I said Willie Horton is far more common than James Byrd. Blacks and the SWPL types who run the media simply refuse to come to terms with that truth. If Eve Carson were black and her killers White we would never hear the end of it. And that’s true across the board.
He says that Black folks are rabidly racist-OK, so where are the comparable groups to the Klan? Hmm? With attendant murder rates of Whites? Good luck with that.
Blacks rape, rob and murder White Americans at a far higher rate than the Klan ever did to blacks. It’s just not called racist or hateful because the prevailing dogma is that only White people are capable of those kinds of crimes. When blacks rape or murder White people the only outrage is that somebody dared to notice.
Its human nature to get with those who promise you stuff. Black folk are no different.
That’s what I said. Mommy Democrat promised her babies lotsa goodies and Daddy Republican wants them to shut up and get a job.
After the Southern Strategy of the late 60s, the GOP didn’t see it necessary to make a case to African Americans for their votes, and this pretty much holds true today.
There was NEVER a Southern Strategy for the Republicans. That’s a cliche. The last two Southern Presidents were Democrats Carter and Clinton.
The Republican strategy was to include the South in their larger strategy that was heavily a WESTERN Strategy. Nixon and Reagan were from California. The Bushes were Connecticut and Texas.
The reason the Republicans are losing now is because they’ve lost the West. Demographics. The Republican West died out and was replaced with Third Worlders and SWPL younger folks.
how about those Black Male marital figures per the US Census? Do they marry Black Women more, or White Women more?
I already told you black males don’t tent to marry ANYBODY of any race so marriage stats are not a good indicator of preference.
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PA – Even today in Iraq you’re more likely to see guys dug in behind cover, exchanging fire with guys dug in across a large open space or in a distant building.
In the battle between AK47s and the M-16 what really makes a difference is having friends from on high!
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@ Willard Libby
That was fucking awesome.
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I’d like to take a crack at this “was Hitler a Leftist” thing.
Part, but only part, of being on the political spectrum is ECONOMIC. Roughly, you have, from right to left:
1) private economy
2) Fascism
3) Socialism
4) communism
Economic Fascism means government CONTROL of the economy but private ownership. Private profits are allowed.
So, the Nazis were economically somewhat to the left.
However, Right Wing usually means “anti-Liberal” (of the SWPL form). Clearly, the Nazis were extremely anti-Liberal. Outside of the economic arena, they were Right Wing.
Then there is totalitarianism. Since communism and fascism involve controlling just about every aspect of people lives, they must always be totalitarian. The other 2 systems, tend to be non-totalitarian, but for different reasons.
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“Hey Morris I’m just about to head out to the firing range, how about I pick you up? Gotta test out the accuracy of that AK we talked about.”
Yeah, we’ll check accuracy at 20 paces…Any chance we’ll do any sniping in with it as well? I’ll tell you what, meet me outside in an hour, you bring your AK (and Squad Assault Weapon) and I’ll bring my M41A.
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ever notice how chic stfu when I cornered her with facts? apparently, even panthers sometimes realize when they’re beat.
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“I am Darth Maul. I follow the way of the Sith.
We thrive on conflict. Obviously adversarial…”
Using the name of a movie villain. Now that’s original! Besides the internet, where do you engage in this conflict you thrive upon?
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Tarl, can you provide evidence that Black folks committed acts of violence and murder on Whites that are comparable to the Klan’s acts of violence and murder on Blacks? Citations, please?
Tuskeegee Institute says 3,437 lynchings of blacks from 1882 to 1968. So that’s about 40 per year (although they were mainly concentrated in the 1885-1930 period).
DOJ statistics say 23,575 black on white murders from 1976 to 2005, or 813 per year, which is about three times the number of white on black murders. When you consider that whites outnumber blacks 7:1, it is pretty clear that something non-random is in play.
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New Originals,
First, you dont want to engage me. i will slice and dice you into a thousand singing pieces. I am after Lurker. Get out of our way. Dont insert yourself into the middle of a scuffle.
Second, I dont qualify myself to you.
Third, I dont qualify myself to you.
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Darth Maul,
You are dumber than a liberal trying to explain feminism.
You conflate yelling like being a contrarian high school message board troll being “alpha” and being smart.
You must have been drinking from a full bucket of Nobama’s cum, guzzling that shit down like a bum with Thunderbird.
PWNED.
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Andrew E,
There are a number of things that you said in your last post that deserves considerable attention but let’s start with Hip Hop. As I said, you’re looking at the issue through a keyhole, instead of through a door.
Chuck D and the others you mentioned didn’t create the “Protest Song” genre, that was something White folks did, and long before Hip Hop came along; what Hip Hop did, was stripped bare the “pretty lies” that had existed, even in some cases in Rock music circles. W/its raw lyrics and sparse musical arrangements (though PE’s stuff was highly complex), Gangsta Rap, as it became known, spoke about the raw feelings and realities of Urban Life. So, when NWA says “Fuck Da Police!” they are making more than what seems to be an anti-establishment statement.
In any event, yes, I would say that in order to fully assess Hip Hop’s impact on American society, one would have to be able to see and know that what we have now, and Chuck D himself has noted this, is incredibly myopic. One of the most popular Hip Hop songs ever was an ode to a beautiful girl, UTFO’s Roaxanne, Roxanne; LL Cool J’s I Need Love was a major crossover hit; Common’s The Light was a similar crossover hit, a song about love. There are many, many other examples.
To be sure, the kinds of Hip Hop envogue at present gives the impression of anger and rage, all Hip Hop isn’t that way, and one need go back to the mists of anquity to see this. It only takes a bit more than a passing interest in the topic to know this.
As for Kanye’s comments, which I personally didn’t agree with btw, last time I heard he had the right to say those things. It should also be noted that 50 Cent disagreed w/Kanye as well.
Same deal w/Spike Lee; I saw his documentary. I thought it was very interesting to watch. I really don’t have a view one way or the other on the conspiratorial aspects of it, as I’ve never been much interested in such things to begin with.
Going to the Summers issue: as I understand it, he made remarks to the effect that perhaps the reason why more Women weren’t in the hard sciences field was due more to innate ability and/or interests between Men and Women, than the oft-repeated notions of a “conspiracy” to keep Women out. This is what led to his downfall, and we all know it. Again: please name me the Ivy League uni prez who was unilaterally forced out of his job for saying something Black folk didn’t like?
Clearly, Summers was up against a well-oiled lobbying machine, much more interested in outcomes than opportunity, and in areas that really counted-truth be told, the average White guy cubicle dweller has more to be worried about wrt a White Woman, than a Black guy. Come on, let’s at least be honest in admitting this here.
And herein lay the challenge: will White guys fight these kinds of things, which the Summers incident stripped bare for the world to see, with anywhere near as much vim and vigr as they do Affirmative Action? To ask the question is to answer it, and in the eyes of Black folk makes the whole enterprise instantly suspect.
O
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Watch out new originals, darth maul will make fun of you on an internet message board!
He is deadly with the quips and his knowledge of star wars!
poor wittle bitch boy. at least chuck tried to argue, albeit irrationally. DM just tries throwing out insults I laughed at in high school..
cum on, bitch boy, spew some of that Nobama cum at me.
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“…like a bum with Thunderbird.”
What’ve you got against Thunderbird?!
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Morris Dees,
Nah, I’ll stick to my AK, & we’ll try em both out in the sandtrap. I’ll go first. You game?
O
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“First, you dont want to engage me. i will slice and dice you into a thousand singing pieces.”
A scuffle? More like a slap fight. And you don’t want more conflict? You thrive on that shit, remember? Slice, dice, etc…You’ve got tons of comments here about how gay/stupid/weak some other guy/gal is. I’m sure whatever you say to me will be a sequel. Get it, sequel, like those Star Wars movies! Continue to not qualify yourself to me for a 3rd time…
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“sandtrap”
Where’s that? I though you were going to pick me up and we were going to go to the range.
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There’s a semantic issue going on with defining terrorism, here. I think it could and should be argued that street gangs are the most common form of left-wing terrorism in the United States today.
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Josh, I wouldn’t define a street gang as terrorism, mainly because terrorism is desiring political change, not power/money in and of itself (although some groups want both).
The bloods/crips/MS/Hell’s Angels want power/money/territory, not to change the world.
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Watch out new originals, darth maul will make fun of you on an internet message board!
He is deadly with the quips and his knowledge of star wars!
poor wittle bitch boy. at least chuck tried to argue, albeit irrationally. DM just tries throwing out insults I laughed at in high school..
cum on, bitch boy, spew some of that Nobama cum at me.
at least you’re not crying to roissy for help anymore. that’s an improvement. man were you (extra) embarrassing yesterday lol
“i’m an alpha!” (“ROISSY HELP ME!”)
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To Lurker,
QUESTION:
What is the difference between Lurker and a refrigerator?
ANSWER:
The refrigerator doesnt fart when you take out the meat.
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anonymous, good to have you here! What, no sock puppetry? Why did you change your name, DM? Couldn’t stand the heat, needed to hide again??
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from Fuck Tha Police
“Make ya think I’m a kick your ass
But drop your gat, and Ren’s gonna blast
I’m sneaky as fuck when it comes to crime
But I’m a smoke em now, and not next time
Smoke any muthafucka that sweats me
Or any assho that threatens me
I’m a sniper with a hell of a scope
Takin out a cop or two, they can’t cope with me
The muthafuckin villian that’s mad
With potential to get bad as fuck
So I’m a turn it around
Put in my clip, yo, and this is the sound
Ya, somethin like that, but it all depends on the size of the gat
Takin out a police would make my day
But a nigga like Ren don’t give a fuck to say”
_______________________________________________
With whom am I supposed to identify here?
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PA
The moral I think every alpha should take from the Hulk Hogan saga is that they’re not invulnerable either. Women change. Women too lose interest in the same man, and when they do if they’re still attractive they often feel (unlike men) that their changed feeling are some call from the natural universe that the relationship “isn’t working any longer, I was kidding myself for too long”, and feel perfectly and entirely entitled as American women to kick their husband to the curb and extract the maximum amount out of him. It’s what the culture tells them to do, certainly their divorce lawyer, and most to all of their girl friends.
In short the real message to alpha men is to realize that yes you too need a prenup in America today.
Post nups work too PA.
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lurker,
A not-so-well known fact is that soldier in street gangs view themselves as part of resistance movements to social injustice. It’s how they legitimize their actions in their own minds.
http://books.google.com/books?id=VMFtWyjYeJ4C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0
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Josh, true, many gangs see themselves as doing “good” work. The Mafia has argued for years that they keep neighborhoods safe, get things done when the police can’t or won’t, and are heros, not villains. this is a common argument, stretching back to antiquity. Criminals will always rationalize their behavior to put themselves in a good light, no matter how contradictory; it takes a truly mature mind to admit when one has done evil.
However, that being said, the difference is simple: long term goals. Terrorist groups do things in furtherence of a long term political goal: Al-Queda for the return of the Caliphate, PETA for equality of animals and humans, Eco-warriors for the subservience of humans to Gaia, etc. Small actions taken (bombing, drug dealing) are for the larger goal.
In contrast, gangs have no long term goals other than the increased strength of the gang. They deal drugs, do crimes, etc. to empower the gang over others. they may pay lip service to some warped sense of social justice, but the Five Families and MS-17 have no political agenda other than saying they have the biggest cocks and most juice.
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Admittedly, Josh, there can be a mixed line: the Black Panthers, for instance, operated 1/2 as a street gang, 1/2 as terrorists. But the rationalization of a gang for its actions cannot be taken seriously; only what their actions are in furtherance of is objective evidence.
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Obsidian,
A quick response. Can you name one University president in the modern liberal era who has ever said anything publicly that black people wouldn’t like and would thus necessitate his removal?
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Lurker:
*If* you did read that report verbatim, we have some issues. You’re right, they make no discernment between threats. The whole point of this series of reports is to give some insight into the thinking of DHS and FBI. It is purposely left anonymous as it is merely a memo-like report.
I mean you can assume that the government wants to target “Americans for Prosperity” to the same degree as the “Aryan Brotherhood”, but you’d be retarded for assuming that.
Here’s the original post on the subject:
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/12/homeland-security-document-targets-most-conservatives-and-libertarians-in-the-country/
It’s by a conservative blogger named Stephen Gordon. It was released April 7 to law enforcement officials. Gordon got ahold of it on April 12 and posted it on his blog. Really, the report isn’t all that ground-breaking. It’s repeating stuff that people already kind of knew, but right-wingers got ahold of it, got all pissed off, and then passed their petty talking points down for skull-fucks like you to ruminate and salivate on.
The timing and coordination needed for this report to disrupt Tea Bag Day, on the part of the government, would belie the fact that government is famously inefficient. Government cannot dictate anything, how would it be able to perfectly time the release of this piece?
Further, it was not *announced* to the right-wing bloggers. They *found* it and started tossing it around the blogosphere. This ain’t “Deep Throat” man. Although I wish you were so you don’t have to gag on my cock while you’re blowing me.
Nobody is saying that there is a vast right-wing conspiracy, dicknose. Quit projecting your own interpretations onto me. I have a feeling there are quite a few “cells” in this country of a handful of guys, with extremist agendas, that would like to take our President and this country down. The fact that our economy is shitty, jobs are being outsourced, and there is social unrest makes it all the easier to picture this scenario. In the past, people have acted out when they felt pushed to the brink by their government. This report is merely a manifestation of that thought process.
Let me ask you one more time, what would you do if Obama were assassinated?
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Let me ask you one more time, what would you do if Obama were assassinated?
Hmmm… Biden or Obama. That’s a tough one. Obama is smart, but uses his powers for evil (policies). Biden is incompetent, but also likes the same policies.
So on the one hand, you’d have a less effective cheerleader of liberal policies. That’s good. On the other hand, you’d have a more incompetent leader dealing with any potential foreign policy emergencies. That’s bad.
Gates is #6 on the line of succession. That doesn’t seem likely.
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“Notice how chucki has run away. couldn’t defend Nobama’s hit job anymore. hasta la vista GingerBitch!”
Lurker:
why the fuck are you keeping tabs on me? are you trying to track me or something in your little journal? hold your fucking horses you weirdo. it’s called sleep.
we need to talk. i’m gonna need you to come up with your own style. you’re a roissy wannabe. you use his same cutdowns and you’ve even copied some of my cutdowns on you to use on me, “wittle?” Please get some originiality. I hate arguing with a hack.
I’ll hereby deem you Roissy’s Vanilla Ice. Ice, Ice, Fuckstick.
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“*If* you did read that report verbatim, we have some issues. You’re right, they make no discernment between threats. The whole point of this series of reports is to give some insight into the thinking of DHS and FBI. It is purposely left anonymous as it is merely a memo-like report. ”
—-The whol point of DHS-sponsored reports is to make statistical, fact-based assessments of threat levels, not to engage in armchair speculation that any idiot sitting in a police station can make.
Really? A lone nut with anti-government leanings might be dangerous, but you never know? Wow. Next you’ll tell me a group of high school kids camping in the woods might be smoking pot.
The “report” is useless as a crime-fighting tool because it says nothing the police don’t know.
And yet when DHS released reports on left wing activities, they were filled with statistics, and not speculation. Why? Because that is DHS’s job.
So if the report is useless to law enforcement, there is only one alternative: the crass report was released as propaganda to the media, who often jump on “terrorist reports” without checking the data behind them.
Here’s the original post on the subject:
“It’s by a conservative blogger named Stephen Gordon. It was released April 7 to law enforcement officials. Gordon got ahold of it on April 12 and posted it on his blog.”
—it is an unclassified report available to anyone. Gordon rang the bell for conservatives, but the Left-leaning MSM and the white house/dems had a full week to use it to frame talking points on the tea party.
“Really, the report isn’t all that ground-breaking. It’s repeating stuff that people already kind of knew, but right-wingers got ahold of it, got all pissed off, and then passed their petty talking points down for skull-fucks like you to ruminate and salivate on. ”
–wrong, child molester. the report isn’t “repeating what people already knew” its “repeating urban legends and common prejudices without a whiff of factual basis so left-wing Nobama apologists like Chuckie can claim everyone is out to get The Messiah”
“The timing and coordination needed for this report to disrupt Tea Bag Day, on the part of the government, would belie the fact that government is famously inefficient. Government cannot dictate anything, how would it be able to perfectly time the release of this piece? ”
–Easy. When the government realized it had no evidence to support its findings, it could have killed the report as unworthy of release. Instead, it released it publically exactly 8 days before the biggest anti-Nobama rallies were to take place.
“Further, it was not *announced* to the right-wing bloggers. They *found* it and started tossing it around the blogosphere. ”
—exactly. After Dems had digested it for their talking points
“Nobody is saying that there is a vast right-wing conspiracy, dicknose.”
—right, you just claim McVeigh is connected all the way up to Fox News (!) AND THAT, therefore, right wingers have a large conspiracy. (?).
” I have a feeling there are quite a few “cells” in this country of a handful of guys, with extremist agendas, that would like to take our President and this country down. ”
—lol. love this left wing “feeling” of right wing cells without proof–exactly what the DHS report backs up—paranoia without proof. Go blow Michelle “The Klingon” Nobama, bitch.
“The fact that our economy is shitty, jobs are being outsourced, and there is social unrest makes it all the easier to picture this scenario.”
—like in the Depression, when left wing groups led violent rallies to push for communistic agendas? Funny, it seems bad times lead to *left wing* terrorism. But hey, that’s just mere speculation, dumbass.
“This report is merely a manifestation of that thought process. ”
–this report is just urban legend without facts. Your fantasies about the VRWC are bunk, chuckie.
“Let me ask you one more time, what would you do if Obama were assassinated?”
—First, bitch, I don’t recall your ginger ass asking this, nor is it relevant. But for the sake of your Nobama worship here you go:
I don’t want NoBama assissnated, not because the scum deserves to live, but because his death would cause assholes like you to make him martyr, like the shitheads JFK, RFK, and MLK and Malcolm X were. They’d be deified and made perfect, and even worse crapheads (like modern-day Ted Kennedys and Jesse Jacksons) would skate to power on their false images.
Second, there would be race riots and left wing riots galore.
Third, we’d get moron/liar Joe Biden in charge, which is almost worse.
So if Nobama were assissnated I would be sad, because the dems would use it as an excuse to push even further radical fascist/socialist shit through, blame repulbicans for the death, and destroy America even more.
So, fuckhead, despite your paranoid left wing thought, there is no proof of right wing radicalism on the rise, and I do not want Nobama dead.
Bite me, Ginger Bitch.
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You guys wanna go easy on the hypothetical speculations with regards to our head of state? Unless you want Secret Service asking our gracious host for your i.p.’s.
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“why the fuck are you keeping tabs on me? are you trying to track me or something in your little journal?”
—-poor paranoid chuckie. the right is watching him!
“we need to talk. i’m gonna need you to come up with your own style.”
—I often take style hints from internet left-wing ginger bitches.
“you’re a roissy wannabe.”
—who isn’t?
” I hate arguing with a hack.”
—must be hell when you fight with yourself, then, red.
Easy GingerBitch, your face and hair might combine into an all-powerful red monster.
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PA, like I said, I don’t want anyone assassinated. Obama is scum, but he’d just become the false hero of millions of Sheep like Chuckie.
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Andrew E,
To be honest, none immediately comes to mind; however, let’s say that something like that did-do you mean to tell me, that there is real parity btw White Women and Black folk in academia, from Associate Professors to Department Heads? Positions where real polocy decisions are made?
Your response?
O
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Lurker:
“—-The whol point of DHS-sponsored reports is to make statistical, fact-based assessments of threat levels, not to engage in armchair speculation that any idiot sitting in a police station can make.”
No, that is not the point. How could any governmental agency put out a statistical report in *9* pages? That could never happen. It was merely meant to be an overview of DHS line of thinking.
“Really? A lone nut with anti-government leanings might be dangerous, but you never know? Wow. Next you’ll tell me a group of high school kids camping in the woods might be smoking pot.”
“–wrong, child molester. the report isn’t “repeating what people already knew” its “repeating urban legends and common prejudices without a whiff of factual basis so left-wing Nobama apologists like Chuckie can claim everyone is out to get The Messiah””
I’ll combine these two passages of yours to highlight their inconsistency.
First, you equate this report on anti-government groups as potential threats as “telling you that high school kids might be smoking pot”, then you say that this report isn’t repeating what people already knew. Either you’re really bad at analytical thinking or you can’t remember which piece of bullshit you’re peddling and in what order.
People *know* that right-wing groups often have ties to the military. Their training, and some veterans psychological problems, make them a perfect fit into these kinds of organizations. Everyone *knows* that crime increases during economic downtimes.
Where are you when reports hit the news to beware increased criminal activity during recessions? Those are based on past empirical evidence of crime trends. Same thing here, yet you only bitch and moan when right-wing extremists are targeted.
“The “report” is useless as a crime-fighting tool because it says nothing the police don’t know.”
This report is not a crime fighting tool. It’s a head’s up. It’s saying “hey, this is what we can picture happening, be aware.” You nutjobs are assigning your own ominous meaning to the document.
“And yet when DHS released reports on left wing activities, they were filled with statistics, and not speculation. Why? Because that is DHS’s job.”
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-leftwing-extremists-increase-in-cyber-attacks-dated-26-january-2009.pdf
Statistics? In ^^^^^ this document? Where lurker? You’re a fucking liar.
“—it is an unclassified report available to anyone. Gordon rang the bell for conservatives, but the Left-leaning MSM and the white house/dems had a full week to use it to frame talking points on the tea party. “
You said earlier that it was handed to right-wing bloggers. Now Gordon *found* it and decided to post it in coordination with the unknown wishes of the Obama administration?
“–Easy. When the government realized it had no evidence to support its findings, it could have killed the report as unworthy of release. Instead, it released it publically exactly 8 days before the biggest anti-Nobama rallies were to take place.”
Oh, you mean because the robust 192 hour (that’s 8 days times 24 hours per day there lurker) news cycle so prevalent today. Who is paranoid?
“—exactly. After Dems had digested it for their talking points”
Funny, I don’t remember hearing *any* Democrat talking points stemming from this argument. It’s been all in response to conservatives anger over the document.
“—right, you just claim McVeigh is connected all the way up to Fox News (!) AND THAT, therefore, right wingers have a large conspiracy. (?).”
Again, you’re fucking lying. I guess that’s your game. I never said there was a large right-wing conspiracy. Yesterday I noted that a right-wing extremist group would be hard-pressed to operate with large numbers. Its too cumbersome. Their groups would naturally be small, thus the fear of the “lone wolves”.
“—lol. love this left wing “feeling” of right wing cells without proof–exactly what the DHS report backs up—paranoia without proof. Go blow Michelle “The Klingon” Nobama, bitch.”
I’ll provide a couple of documents. One is a Reuters piece talking about the increase in hate groups, most of which are right-wing. The numbers have increased 54% since 2000. It was calculated by SPLC, which has been considered liberal.
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS222404+26-Feb-2009+PRN20090226
So I checked SPLC’s website to look at the list of hate groups by state. Couple of points: they list Black Panthers and Nation of Islam as hate groups thereby *increasing* their legitimacy as a source on this issue.
Most groups on the list, 95%, are typical right-wing extremist hate groups like Neo-Nazis and KKK. I saw a couple of Border Protection Groups on there, *out of 600+*.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
Therefore, the increase in right-wing extremist groups is a very real threat.
“—like in the Depression, when left wing groups led violent rallies to push for communistic agendas? Funny, it seems bad times lead to *left wing* terrorism. But hey, that’s just mere speculation, dumbass. “
I wouldn’t doubt it lurker. I’m not the one saying that these two types of groups are mutually exclusive. If left-wing groups popped up, with an agenda of mass death, I’d want them covered too. This isn’t about singling out right-wingers only, its about singling out those that pose the greatest threat….you should know that being a fan of the Iraq War and all.
lurker, i’ve summarily owned you in this discussion. if you can’t get over your paranoia, i can’t help you. i’ll allow you to leave, with your pride cobbled together, if you wish.
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Andrew E,
Let me press my case a bit further: I’d argue, that there are at least as many Jewish profs and dept heads in major unis, as there are White Women, both of whom dwarf the number of Black ones, even if you took the HBCUs into account. Now, again, let’s be clear-the Jewish and White Women groups there have real power to make what they say law, and make those who step out of line pay. Black folk, by and large, do not.
We both have agreed that Feminism has wreaked far and away more real damage to the body politic than Black Affirmative Action could ever do, yet there isn’t anywhere near the same level of open challenge with attendant outrage on the part of White Men-the same White Men who chomp at the bit of Black Affirmative Action.
And let’s be clear here-the vast majority of White Men reading this right now, do not work in Blue Collar environments like me, and the vast majority of Black Men. You instead work in environments where cubicles are commonplace, and where White Women are plentiful-keep in mind, I have little need to worry about a White Woman, or any Woman for that matter, taking my job. It’s you guys who have that concern, and it is real-White Women Affirmative Action has all but made the once all-White Male preserves of Law and Medicine a thing of th past. And if any of you want to argue, with a straight face, that every single las White Woman on your job is qualified to be there, then I got a really nice bridge in NYC you might be interested in.
In addition to this, we have to ask-do White Men mind if really qualified folks end up taking all the choice spots? On the face of it, sure. But recent developments out in Cali, where Asian students routinely outclass White students Male and Female alike, says a different story. There are easily found reports of grumblin White parents, angered that better qualified Asian kids are taking “their” choice college slots.
And do we really need to get started on the Jewish side?
No, Andrew, like I said, we Black folk may not be geniuses bt we aint stupid either. If White guys are really serious about Affirmative Action, they need to aim high instead of going for the Dark Hanging Fruit.
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Obsidian,
I don’t think I agreed with you in saying that feminism has caused more damage to American society than black affirmative action. Actually, what I said was that when it comes to the dissolution of the American nation, it is on the question of race, not gender, where the rubber meets the road. And for this reason, race realism extends far beyond the narrower question of black affirmative action, where you say white men face much less competition than with white women (probably true). Race realism is extremely helpful to show that equal outcomes cannot be expected, that racial diversity as a principal doesn’t work, that mass population replacement fundamentally alters any society, that certain crime in America has a distinctive pattern that affects our physical safety, etc.
Believe me when I say that race realists are not just hung up on the narrow issue of black affirmative action. We have a range of very broad and lofty concerns for which race realism is relevant.
To answer your question, there’s a reason Larry Summers chose to discuss gender differences and not race differences. If any university president ever said anything publicly that seriously challenged, or could be perceived to do so, the liberal orthodoxy on race, he would be gone faster than you could say Don Imus or James Watson. Ousted largely by whites? Perhaps, but they’d make sure to put Cornel West front and center.
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Josh,
You might also consider KRS-ONE’s debut solo effort, Return of The Boom-Bap, circa 1993, with DJ Premier on the turntables and boards. Considered by many insiders to a classic, the album features two cuts about the police: Black Cop, and Sound of Da Police. The lyrics should be easy to find.
O
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Andrew,
With all due respect you keep dodging the central theme of Race realists, which is, that all people are not the same-and this holds particularly true for the genders. Simply put, Women and Men do not have the same mental aptitudes for all tasks, which the hard sciences clearly show, and I would argue that the Feminist Lobby has railed harder and longer against such differences in the guise of “social constructionism” than anything ever mounted by Blacks.
The point is clear: when it comes to real impact, Feminism has much more far reaching implications than anything along the lines of Affirmative Action, and is seen everyday in this very venue. Routinely Roissy blogs about one aspect or another that has been profoundly touched by Feminism.
Again: Black folk do not, at present, command the kinds of unilateral shot callin power that White Women or for that matter Jewish folk have.
And, let’s put it this way: which is easier to take out-Abortion, or Black Affirmative Action? I think we both the answer to that question, yes?
O
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Roissy,
You read the latest from your stupid dog(lurker)? Boasting about how Chuck and I ran away from him. See there? You are protecting his sorry arse from my savage attacks by deleting my comments and moderating me; and that lurker bitch turns around boasting about how chuck and I ran away.
That is not fair, roissy; i know this is your blog and all, and you can do whatever the fuck you want. But goddamn, if you can only remove the blockade on my post so that i can beat the living daylight out of that little bitch(lurker) until his arse bleeds.
it is fucking annoying, you protecting his sorry arse by blocking and deleting my comments, and him, boasting about how chuck and I ran away. That is just so cowardly on his part. This pisses me off. release me, roissy. goddamn, release me. and let me roast his peckered arse.
* 10 of my posts has been blocked/deleted, doubt this one will go through anyways*
Roissy, just fucking stop protecting lurker’s supremely stupid arse.
Naturally, despite my personal wishes, i respect your decision since this is your blog.
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Andrew E,
On your point about “ungrateful” Black folk, it should be noted that 50 Cent, of all people, not only publicly disagreed with Kanye West’s anti GWB tirade, but he also visited US troops in Iraq. I wonder how many posters and readers here, quite a few of whome are from the DC area, has paid the troops a visit at Walter Reed?
Black folk have repeatedly demonstrated their commitment to American ideals in a multitude of ways, often with little tangible to show for it. Does that excuse the bad actions of a relative few, absolutely not, and contrary to popular opinion, not all Black folk side with the criminals, far from it.
The problem for many White folk, is that some Black people don’t feel that they have to completely submerge their African heritage in order to be fully American; for us, there’s room for both. White folks should learn to embrace an expanded view, instead of existing in an ever-constricting band of ideas.
O
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seafighter:
You are protecting his sorry arse
i deleted lurker’s comments, too. i don’t want another post to turn into an incessant back and forth tard duel. it ruins the reading and commenting experience for everyone else. if you and lurker could apply a little creativity to your hate i might be more lenient about letting the flamewar continue.
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It looks like my gimp chuckie is back:
“How could any governmental agency put out a statistical report in *9* pages? That could never happen. It was merely meant to be an overview of DHS line of thinking.”
—no, as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, gimp, and you have repeatedly ignored, DHS reports on left wing groups always contain statistics and specific groups that are targeted and shown to have terrorist tendencies. This did not. It would not be a mere 9 pp’s long if it had facts attached; 9pp is not a magical number, but it was all the conjecture the Obama nuts could squeeze out without any facts to back them up.
QED, bitch.
“I’ll combine these two passages of yours to highlight their inconsistency. ”
—I can see why a weak mind like yours would think those inconsistent. here, let me explain slowly: 1) ANY LONE NUT IS DANGEROUS. The crazy black conspriacy theorist homeless dude (left wing). The Unabomber (left wing). The point is the report just states that a lone nut is dangerous, but randomnly says, well, maybe not, but we have no proof that right wing loners are NOT doing this.
Once again, chuckie, you fail to substantiate any of your VRWC ramblings with facts. Not surprising at this point, Ginger Bitch.
“People *know* that right-wing groups often have ties to the military. Their training, and some veterans psychological problems, make them a perfect fit into these kinds of organizations. Everyone *knows* that crime increases during economic downtimes. ”
—wow, talk about non-sequitors. Claiming everyone “knows” this and “knows” that and trying to link higher crime with right-wing groups. Nice job, NYT reporter.
“Where are you when reports hit the news to beware increased criminal activity during recessions? Those are based on past empirical evidence of crime trends. Same thing here, yet you only bitch and moan when right-wing extremists are targeted.”
—Hmm, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS ARE INCREASING RIGHT NOW. As I pointed out, during the depression, *left wing* extremist groups shot up, not right wing. Saying crime increases overall when people are poor is not like saying “this political ideology is rampant in down economic times and is now” when facts actually contradict you, bitch.
“This report is not a crime fighting tool. It’s a head’s up. It’s saying “hey, this is what we can picture happening, be aware.” You nutjobs are assigning your own ominous meaning to the document.”
—again, moron, telling the cops to look out for lone nut jobs? Not useful. If it is a report for law enforcement agencies, as you once claimed, then it is not useful as a crime fighting tool, and it is useless to them, since the law enforcement agencies *are about fighting crime.* period. full stop.
“And yet when DHS released reports on left wing activities, they were filled with statistics, and not speculation. Why? Because that is DHS’s job.”
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-leftwing-extremists-increase-in-cyber-attacks-dated-26-january-2009.pdf
Statistics? In ^^^^^ this document? Where lurker? You’re a fucking liar.”
here’s your fucking proof, bitch:
suck my conservative cock, faggot.
“You said earlier that it was handed to right-wing bloggers. Now Gordon *found* it and decided to post it in coordination with the unknown wishes of the Obama administration? ”
–i never said it was “handed out to right wing bloggers” by Nobama. Get your stories straight you, lyign sack of shit.
Obama’s boys figured the right wouldn’t notice—especially since they could use Stephanopolis and JournoList and MSNBC to get the points out after a wink nudge and link post to the website.
“Oh, you mean because the robust 192 hour (that’s 8 days times 24 hours per day there lurker) news cycle so prevalent today. Who is paranoid?”
—yeah, you’re right, reporters forget everything after 24 hours, I forgot. there’s no way they have talking points said to them and told to hang on to.. You’re right. Dumbass.
“Funny, I don’t remember hearing *any* Democrat talking points stemming from this argument.”
—Liar. You have heard countless people in the media calling the right wingers at the protests “extremists” and “fringers” and all sorts of dismissive names, and one CNN reporter claiming a protest “was not family viewing.” I wonder why…
“Again, you’re fucking lying. I guess that’s your game. I never said there was a large right-wing conspiracy. ”
—right, you just started saying McVeigh met some other right winger once, and X met Y later, so there’s a network. And yes, you bitchy little liar, you said right wing network.
“Yesterday I noted that a right-wing extremist group would be hard-pressed to operate with large numbers. “Its too cumbersome.”
–all hail Chuck, the expert on the organization of terrorist cells. How? A factless, groundless report told him so!
“I’ll provide a couple of documents. One is a Reuters piece talking about the increase in hate groups, most of which are right-wing. The numbers have increased 54% since 2000. It was calculated by SPLC, which has been considered liberal.”
–considering the SPLC liberal is like considering Stalin a little bit totalitarian. The SPLC’s numbers are untrustworthy, and they benefit when people beleive hate is up (since they’re all about the black-man-as-christ image)
And if these numbers were true, how would this prove Nobama is going to increase them? According to these numbers, while a right wing Pres and congress had control, after a leftwinger, that’s when the rise began.
you pee all over yourself either way, shit-for-brains.
“Most groups on the list, 95%, are typical right-wing extremist hate groups like Neo-Nazis and KKK. I saw a couple of Border Protection Groups on there, *out of 600+*.”
—so the SPLC makes sure to have a few token lefties, and the 95% Neo-Nazi groups, and are untrustworthy. NEXT.
“Therefore, the increase in right-wing extremist groups is a very real threat.”
—I love how, for leftists, quoting one paranoid, lying left wing source for facts=proof.
“I wouldn’t doubt it lurker. I’m not the one saying that these two types of groups are mutually exclusive. If left-wing groups popped up, with an agenda of mass death, I’d want them covered too.”
–YOU DUMB FUCK. YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF LEFT WING GROUPS EXTREMISM POPPING UP. YOU HAVE NO RELIABLE EVIDENCE OF RIGHT WING GROUPS OF THE SAME HAPPENING EN MASSE. GET A CLUE, ASSHAT.
“This isn’t about singling out right-wingers only, its about singling out those that pose the greatest threat”
—THE DHS REPORT IS AN ENTIRE FACTLESS REPORT SOLELY TARGETING RIGHT WINGERS SHORTLY BEFORE RIGHT WING COLLECTIVE ACTION.
GingerBitch, you have been PWNED and PWNED again. You refusal to see the report for what it is—a political hit job on the right wing by Nobama to get talking points out a week before the protests—and your crazy defenses int he face of all facts to the contrary are idiotic.
Like I said, the scary thing about left wing nuts like you is that no matter what Nobama does, you will ALWAYS excuse him and NEVER believe anything to the contrary.
You are my gimp, GingerBitch. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Take your bitch ass and go directly to jail, where you can blow Michael Moore on your conjugal visits, you stupid, lying pussy.
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Josh,
As to your point about the “lofty concerns” Race realists have, I can’t tell, and I’ve been following their bloggings and writings for sometime now, at least 5 years. I read, regularly, GXNP, Sailer and others, who considers themselves Race realists, or at the very least open to what they have to say, and to a (White in the main) Man, the distinct impression one gets is that they want to be rid of NAMs (read, Black and Brown folk) as quckly as possible. To his credit, Sailer tries to address this in his “Americanism” ideology, but if the current blogosphere environment is any indication, it seems to be falling on deaf ears. Most of the RRs don’t seem to care much about the “now what?” aspects of their program; simply stop AA and related programs because, Black and Brown folk simply don’t belong there, so says the science. The idea of to whom much is given, much is required be damned.
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Last one for GingerBitch:
“And yet when DHS released reports on left wing activities, they were filled with statistics, and not speculation. Why? Because that is DHS’s job.”
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-leftwing-extremists-increase-in-cyber-attacks-dated-26-january-2009.pdf
Statistics? In ^^^^^ this document? Where lurker? You’re a fucking liar>”
—Hmm, in this report that you cite, they call out left-wing groups by name and association, point to specific events of cyber-attacks, and show how specific left wing groups have acquired specific tools for cyber attacks and expertise for the future, thus justifying their conclusions.
The right wing one…states conclusions without supporting evidence.
Get the difference yet, Ginger?
Get a clue, Chuckie. The left wing reports contains facts, evidence, and detailings of groups; the right wing one contains mere conjecture.
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Funny, I don’t remember hearing *any* Democrat talking points stemming from this argument. It’s been all in response to conservatives anger over the document.
Really? Where do you think the idea came from that Tea Partiers Are Racist, Nazi, Gun Nuts if not this DHS document?
Other House Democratic leaders took a different tack: One senior aide has been circulating a document to the media that debunks the effort as one driven by corporate lobbyists and attended by neo-Nazis…
In addition, the tea parties are “not really all about average citizens,” the document continues, saying neo-Nazis, militias, secessionists and racists are attending them. The tea parties are also not peaceful, since reporters in Cincinnati had to seek “police protection” during one of the events, it states.
That is the DHS document reprocessed as Democrat talking points against the Tea Parties – exactly as intended.
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lurker:
i’m the one arguing the liberal side here yet you’re the one who’s arguing like a woman. by that i mean you’re incapable of leaving your emotions at the door and employing rational thought.
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How can anyone who has lived through the last decade and has at least two working brain cells buy into the left/right marketing campaign?
We had eight years of a republican president and party who did everything he could to prove that the ideals of conservatism are bullshit. Creating an even bigger and more intrusive government, wars of aggression, massive deficit spending, tax cuts without spending cuts, torture, etc. etc.
And now we have a democratic president who is following Bush’s lead with torture investigations and other war crimes trials, unconstitutionally expansive executive power, and paying attention to what his financial backers want over any supposed ideals of equality, the rule of law, and the nation’s best interests. And they are different how exactly? One walks like this and the other walks like this?
Yeah, I get it, he is a brother, but so fucking what. He is still a brought-out whore who follows orders from the boys with the cash, just like everyone else. And you know what the most obvious tip off is? He is in a position of authority in the federal government. That guarantees that he is just another bitch or else he never would have made it to being a Senator, let alone POTUS.
So lay off the kool aid you morons and wake up. Stop arguing whether Pepsi or Coke is the best and more ethical or “right” soft drink because both are just overpriced sugar water that will kill you sold by people who just don’t give a fuck. Get it?
This is America. Money matters more than lives, sex, food, ideals, patriotism, religion, or anything else, and anyone who believes otherwise is delusional or kidding themselves. Once you start looking at things through that lens it all makes sense and the path becomes clear.
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Tarl:
So you googled tea parties and nazis or something and came up with that piece?
Did you even read it? It says nothing about Democrats using the DHS document as talking points. It says nothing about extremist groups’ rise besides pointing out that neo-Nazis may attend these functions.
I never said that Dems wouldn’t try to paint the Tea Baggers in a bad light, I just said that the DHS document wasn’t produced or used to stifle, dissuade, scare, or influence them in any way. I’m not surprised at all that Dems spoke out against the parties, they are obviously anti-liberal. I have no disagreement with the ideology *behind* the tea parties; in fact, I agree with the principles behind them. That being said, the DHS report had *nothing* to do with the Tea Parties, and it is *not* a hit job.
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“i’m the one arguing the liberal side here yet you’re the one who’s arguing like a woman. by that i mean you’re incapable of leaving your emotions at the door and employing rational thought.”
—said the bitch desperately ignoring all facts contrary to his argument…just like a woman
“Did you even read it? It says nothing about Democrats using the DHS document as talking points. It says nothing about extremist groups’ rise besides pointing out that neo-Nazis may attend these functions. ”
—my god GingerBitch, your ability to be deliberately obtuse is breathtaking. The Democrats are deliberately trying to attach violent extremism to the Tea Parties without proof—one week after the Democratic Administration released a factless report tying current right wing activity to violent extremism.
I honestly don’t know how many other ways we can say this. \
” I just said that the DHS document wasn’t produced or used to stifle, dissuade, scare, or influence them in any way.”
–which is clearly wrong.
“That being said, the DHS report had *nothing* to do with the Tea Parties, and it is *not* a hit job.”
–and *santa claus* is *real.*
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Now, if I may, I’d like to say a few words on the question of who has worse/better behavior, the Dems/Left, or the GOP/Right…and what I’m about to say is purely anecdotal, not definitive or scientific at all.
In my personal view, it seems pretty clear to me, that the more outrageous behavior tends to come from the Left/Dems moreso than the Right/GOP, all things being equal. A few quick examples.
I’m sure you all wil recall the huge “General BetrayUS” ad that was carried in the NYT, funded by MoveOn.org, a left leaning Dem-involved political group. Not only was I appalled by the ad, I also felt that the Dems had fallen to a new kind of low to do that to a Man, Petraus, who wasn’t a policy maker; he was a soldier assigned to a task which, by all accounts, was successful.
Now I don’t begrudge anyone’s right to disagree over the Iraq War, though I was for it myself, I can certainly respect the other side. But to viciously attack a Man like that, wow.
Two: the GWB 2000 election. I vividly recall Dems saying that he wasn’t their President, yet I cannot recall anyone saying that Pelosi wasn’t their Speaker, or for that matter Obama wasn’t their President, on the Right. I certainly don’t feel that way, and I note that Dems tend to challenge voting results far more than do the GOP.
Three: Obama’s victory over McCain. I supported the latter, and my Man, lost. Yet, during his Concession speech, McCain was every bit the gentleman, refusing to go into sour grapes mode.
Just a few quick thoughts.
O
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O, the words are appreciated, but largely this is about once instance of political hitmanship.
I’m sure GWB did plenty of gaming the system in office, but for Chuck not to admit this, well, it smacks of being willful blindness.
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Did you even read it? It says nothing about Democrats using the DHS document as talking points. It says nothing about extremist groups’ rise besides pointing out that neo-Nazis may attend these functions.
Dude, are you really so dumb that you can’t connect the dots between a DHS document that warns of increased “right wing extremism”, secessionism, and racism and the Democrats handing out talking points that describe the people at Tea Parties as neo-Nazis, secessionists, and racists? I mean, duuuuh, how hard is that?
I never said that Dems wouldn’t try to paint the Tea Baggers in a bad light, I just said that the DHS document wasn’t produced or used to stifle, dissuade, scare, or influence them in any way.
Of course it is! Do you think Joe SixPack is going to want to join the Tea Baggers if he thinks the government will regard him as an extremist and potential terrorist? The only reason the DHS document was produced and leaked was so that it could get out in the media and scare people away from attending the Tea Bag events and anything like them in the future.
“Those who oppose The Messiah in any way are evil, racist extremists” – this is a message we will hear over and over again for the next four years, guaranteed.
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“Those who oppose The Messiah in any way are evil, racist extremists” – this is a message we will hear over and over again for the next four years, guaranteed.
I thought they covered that ground during the campaign!
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Clinging, Tarl—-
What about me, who opposes The Messiah in *every* way?
Am I now Bull Connor? Satan? Or do I come full circle, and end up as the revered Stalin?
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Lurker,
Well, I like Dennis Prager’s motto: first you tell the truth, then you give your opinion. I don’t begrudge people’s right to their point of view, I just want to do all I can to get the facts right. Of course I’m not perfect in this regard and can be wrong on the facts, too and welcome the chance for anyone to offer correction when needed.
O
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And the ever compliant “free” press:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0409/One_Question_Napolitano.html
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lurker,
Yes…More fun here:
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/04/16/come-to-jesus-at-30-rock/
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anyone at this point who denies left wing bias in the MSM is a fool.
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Please note: chuck has left the building, with his tail between his legs.
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P.S. At this point, is this onion story really a parody?
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/media_having_trouble_finding_right?utm_source=a-section
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Lurker:
still stalking me i see? you need to back up off my nuts real fast before you choke.
You fucking moron, where in this document do you find statistics:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-leftwing-extremists-increase-in-cyber-attacks-dated-26-january-2009.pdf
I’m going to take this argument step by step, slow it down so you can comprehend.
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Let’s see, moron, since I answered this already:
1) the report names specific groups
2) the report cites specific crimes and activities of those groups
3) the report cites the tools and capabilities available to those groups
4) conclusion based on those facts.
all 4 of which are MISSING FROM THE RIGHT WING REPORT.
The right wing report only contains vauge, unsubstantiated conclusions
So you’re right, no statistics. Just specific facts and evidence that support the conclusion. The exact opposite of the right wing report.
game, set, match, bitch.
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Nah, ginger bitch, I’m not obsessed, I’m both saddened and amused to see such confused idiocy spewing from your Nobama-cock-sucking mouth.
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please, for the love of Satan, come up with some new catch phrases. just for the sake of reading enjoyment. i mean, i know your lexicon is very limited, but do me the favor of breaking out a fucking thesaurus.
the right-wing report points to the April 4 shooting in Pennsylvania in which a man killed several cops.
it points to arrests in 2007 of groups with explosives and plans to kill mexicans.
it points to past crimes like the OKC bombings.
it points to just as many incidents as the left-wing extremist report did, and its obvious that the right-wingers caused much more damage, killed quite a few people, and pose a greater threat. your associating this report with Tea Baggers is the non-sequitor.
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this is the final word on the DHS hatchet job against normal americans:
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The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report entitled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment”, dated April 7, 2009, which I have read, is apparently an unclassified summary of a larger classified report.
1. The summary contains few proper names, has no footnotes of any significance, lists very few sources, and is drafted with a prejudice against anyone who criticizes the role of the federal government in our lives today. It lumps together in its definition of “rightwing extremism” hate groups, anti-government groups, and single issue groups “such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
My guess is that the sentiments revealed in the report I read are the tip of an iceberg that the DHS would prefer to keep submerged until it needs to reveal it. This iceberg is the heavy-hand of government; a government with large and awful eyes, in whose heart there is no love for freedom, and on whose face there is no smile.
2. The document itself cautions the reader that the document is “not to be released to the public, the media, or other personnel who do not have a valid need-to-know without prior approval” of the DHS. The document refers to itself as one of a series of intelligence assessments intended to “deter, prevent, preempt, or respond to terrorist attacks against the United States.”
3. The thrust of this report is that in the present environment of economic instability, returning military veterans, those who fear of the loss of Second Amendment-protected rights, those threatened by an African-American president, and those who fear “Jewish ‘financial elites’” could all be a fertile breeding ground for groups whose power and ideas the government hates and fears. The document is essentially a warning for DHS and FBI officials to be on the look-out for rootless persons looking for the comfort of groups as they may be a danger to American security.
4. The summary (unclassified) document is terrifying. One can only imagine what is contained in the classified version. This document runs directly counter to numerous U.S. Supreme decisions prohibiting the government from engaging in any activities that could serve to chill the exercise of expressive liberties. Liberties are chilled, in constitutional parlance, when people are afraid to express themselves for fear of government omnipresence, monitoring, or reprisals. The document also informs the reader that Big Brother is watching both public and private behavior.
5. The whole purpose of the First Amendment is to guarantee open, broad, robust debate on the policies and personnel of the government. The First Amendment presumes that individuals — NOT THE GOVERNMENT — are free to choose what they believe and espouse, what they read and say, and with whom they associate in public and in private. The writers of this abominable report are particularly concerned with the expression of opinions that might be used to fuel ideas that challenge federal authority or favor state and local government over the federal government. Unfortunately, legislation passed during the past eight years gives the DHS and the FBI the tools to monitor everything from a telephone conversation to the keystrokes used on a personal computer without a warrant issued by a federal judge.
6. My guess is that the sentiments revealed in the report I read are the tip of an iceberg that the DHS would prefer to keep submerged until it needs to reveal it. This iceberg is the heavy-hand of government; a government with large and awful eyes, in whose heart there is no love for freedom, and on whose face there is no smile.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/15/napolitano_homeland_security/
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lurker:
“—no, as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, gimp, and you have repeatedly ignored, DHS reports on left wing groups always contain statistics and specific groups that are targeted and shown to have terrorist tendencies. This did not. It would not be a mere 9 pp’s long if it had facts attached; 9pp is not a magical number, but it was all the conjecture the Obama nuts could squeeze out without any facts to back them up.”
The assessment of the left-wing terror threat, the one put out by DHS, is exactly the same as the one for the right-wing terror threat. Neither contained statistics as you say the left-wing one does. Both assessments mention past happenings as evidence for proof of either poles’ extremism.
“Once again, chuckie, you fail to substantiate any of your VRWC ramblings with facts. Not surprising at this point, Ginger Bitch.”
Once again, lurker, I never said anything about a VRWC. I don’t think Republican leaders are hoping for a resurgence in right-wing extremists. It just so happens that right-wing extremists share some mainstream conservative views, which is fine. I have many mainstream conservative views myself. The problem comes down to the tactics *extremists* will use to have their views heard.
“—Hmm, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS ARE INCREASING RIGHT NOW. As I pointed out, during the depression, *left wing* extremist groups shot up, not right wing. Saying crime increases overall when people are poor is not like saying “this political ideology is rampant in down economic times and is now” when facts actually contradict you, bitch. “
There is evidence. I pointed you to a map of extremist enclaves. During the depression, left-wing ideals came to the forefront in this country because of the intrigue of Soviet communism. It was the new kid on the block and people tend to flock to things like that in tough times. That socialist attitude was a response to a thought that the country was too controlled by corporate america. Today, the prevailing thought is that our country is too socialist. Ideologies have changed in the 70+ years since the Depression.
I’m not saying that right-wing extremism is worse than left-wing extremism always, it’s just that the type of people who identify with right-wing ideals are more dangerous than those who identify with left-wing ideals.
“And yet when DHS released reports on left wing activities, they were filled with statistics, and not speculation. Why? Because that is DHS’s job.”
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-leftwing-extremists-increase-in-cyber-attacks-dated-26-january-2009.pdf
Statistics? In ^^^^^ this document? Where lurker? You’re a fucking liar.”
“here’s your fucking proof, bitch:
oh, you mean the proof is in a completely different document? So the proof is in a document with a completely different purpose than the assessments released April 7 and January 26 for left-wing and right-wing extremists?
Your argument is pointless. DHS is producing a series of “heads-up” reports outlining extremist threats. Their intent wasn’t to make a series of statistical reports outlining every group to watch out for. It was conservatives who took this document and ran with it, assigning your own desires to it.
“You said earlier that it was handed to right-wing bloggers. Now Gordon *found* it and decided to post it in coordination with the unknown wishes of the Obama administration? ”
This is you just now:
“–i never said it was “handed out to right wing bloggers” by Nobama. Get your stories straight you, lyign sack of shit.
This was you earlier this morning:
“—Correction, you ginger haired left wing troll: it was announced to the right winger blogosphere on that date. It was released to the MSM on April 7th—probably with flowers from Rahm-bo and a knowing wink.”
It was announced to the right wing blogger? What in the fuck does that even mean? I’m picturing a government agent with a bullhorn, screaming the contents of the report into the right-wing blogger’s ear. Or perhaps it involved a decree with a scroll and a wax stamp with Obama’s face on it.
“Obama’s boys figured the right wouldn’t notice—especially since they could use Stephanopolis and JournoList and MSNBC to get the points out after a wink nudge and link post to the website.”
And you think I’m speculating? Did the left-wing media get ahold of this before the blogger? No. Are you asserting that the blogger beat the lefties to the punch? I’m sorry to give you help in making your own argument, but I’m starting to feel sorry for you.
“—yeah, you’re right, reporters forget everything after 24 hours, I forgot. there’s no way they have talking points said to them and told to hang on to.. You’re right. Dumbass.”
It’s fucking Washington DC mixed with the throat-slashing media. There is not such thing as hanging onto a story when multiple sources have access to it. The blogger got ahold of the report, put it on his blog, Michelle Malkin got ahold of it, and the rest is history. The Dems only started talking about it after conservatives got it.
“—Liar. You have heard countless people in the media calling the right wingers at the protests “extremists” and “fringers” and all sorts of dismissive names, and one CNN reporter claiming a protest “was not family viewing.” I wonder why…”
I despise any CNN reporter or media person who tries to discredit the purpose of the Tax Protests. Regardless, those criticisms by those media people would have happened regardless of the release of this report. The report and the Tax Day are not connected. That’s the crux of my argument.
“Again, you’re fucking lying. I guess that’s your game. I never said there was a large right-wing conspiracy. ”
“I’ll provide a couple of documents. One is a Reuters piece talking about the increase in hate groups, most of which are right-wing. The numbers have increased 54% since 2000. It was calculated by SPLC, which has been considered liberal.”
“–considering the SPLC liberal is like considering Stalin a little bit totalitarian. The SPLC’s numbers are untrustworthy, and they benefit when people beleive hate is up (since they’re all about the black-man-as-christ image)
And if these numbers were true, how would this prove Nobama is going to increase them? According to these numbers, while a right wing Pres and congress had control, after a leftwinger, that’s when the rise began.”
A little thought for you. Sorry, I have to make them little so you can chew on them without choking. We’ll assume right-wing extremists, who, mind you, usually gather along race purity and xenophobic issues, had set numbers under Bush.
What happened when Obama was elected? We got a president who was black (violating the racial purity thing) and deemed to be in favor of open trade and open borders (violating the U.S.A. first principle).
Do you think those race purists and xenophobes left their organizations? Why would they? They had a much bigger “target” when Obama got elected. It doesn’t take a genius to see that those organizations would only get bigger with Obama’s election.
“—THE DHS REPORT IS AN ENTIRE FACTLESS REPORT SOLELY TARGETING RIGHT WINGERS SHORTLY BEFORE RIGHT WING COLLECTIVE ACTION.”
The report is self-admittedly rhetorical. It should be taken as such. You’re the one combing through the report for statistics when it wasn’t intended to be statistical in nature. It’s a fucking heads-up report giving a synopsis of perceived threats. Again, it’s the type of thing government should do more often.
“a political hit job on the right wing by Nobama to get talking points out a week before the protests—and your crazy defenses int he face of all facts to the contrary are idiotic.”
Ok, Obama put this report out a *week* before the protests. Are you saying he has the foresight to predict when that report would hit the MSM?
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lurker:
“suck my conservative cock, faggot.”
By conservative cock do you mean it curves to the right? Or is it just more shy conservative, as in, it doesn’t come out to play when girls are around? You’re out of your league lurker.
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Ginger Bitch, heed this call:
“the right-wing report points to the April 4 shooting in Pennsylvania in which a man killed several cops.
it points to arrests in 2007 of groups with explosives and plans to kill mexicans.
it points to past crimes like the OKC bombings.
it points to just as many incidents as the left-wing extremist report did, and its obvious that the right-wingers caused much more damage, killed quite a few people, and pose a greater threat. your associating this report with Tea Baggers is the non-sequitor.”
—wrong, Ginger. It points to only 2 (2!) so called right wing incidents in the last 2 years. The OKC bombings??? 13 years ago, therefore, unrelated to the CURRENT right wing situation.
And unlike the left wing groups, which must be divided into several categories, this one lumps one anti-cop guy with a group of anti-mexican guys—two separate groups, and, again, no known network or connection between them.
That would be like pointing out the 9/11 guys and the Code Pinkers hate Bush, therefore anti-bush terrorism must be on the rise.
You see how that’s an awfully stupid non-sequitor, boy?
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Obsidian,
You write:
“With all due respect you keep dodging the central theme of Race realists, which is, that all people are not the same-and this holds particularly true for the genders. ”
I wouldn’t put it this way. I’d say it’s true for the genders but particularly true for whites/blacks/hispanics.
You write:
“Again: Black folk do not, at present, command the kinds of unilateral shot callin power that White Women or for that matter Jewish folk have. ”
Human societies are universally patriachal, some would even say inevitably so–see Steven Goldberg’s book The Inevitability of Patriarchy. What this means is that in America, it’s still the white men who hold the real political power and these other groups you mention: white women, Jews, blacks only hold the power ceded to them voluntarily by white gentile men. I agree with this analysis. However, it also means that none of these groups you mention have unilateral shot callin power.
So, have white men ceded more power to the feminists than to the racial equalitarians? Larry Summers didn’t think so and neither to do I.
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with that said, Ginger, I’m going off to NYU to find some nice skanky redhead to nail. Maybe I’ll call her chuckie when i cum on her face.
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Andrew E,
Yes, I am familiar with Goldberg’s work, and have found it very interesting reading.
Also, good point on “kind, gentile White Men”. Duly noted.
However, wrt Summers, etc-I must respectfully disagree. True, neither of us can cite a particular, modern liberal era example where a sitting uni prez made remarks along racial lines that Summers did along gender ones. Fair enough, nevertheless, we saw what kind of real influence White Women held when the whole thing went down. This is irrefutable.
Also, you have not answered tomy larger counterpoint wrt Race realists-that based on what I’ve read on the blogosphere, they don’t seem to be particularly concerned about other races, beyond merely having them removed from the preserves of Whites. Now, if I am wrong, you’ll kindly point out to me where?
Thanks for a very good discussion, btw; I find you to be quite civil. 🙂
O
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“Maybe I’ll call her chuckie when i cum on her face.”
Yeah you probably will since you’ll be fantasizing about me pumping your ass. I really should just stop making fun of you because you do a great job of it yourself.
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Obsidian,
Likewise.
I agree that Summer’s dismissal was swift and frightening. But I’d also call it surprising in its swiftness. I think we began to understand, in a way we didn’t before, that feminism can be as ruthless as we know racial equalitarianism to be.
I guess I don’t know what you mean about those calling themselves race realists being concerned only with blacks and not other races. Race realists are generally on the frontline of immigration restrictionism which deals primarily with Hispanics. Lawrence Auster is probably the best example, a true first class mind. Dennis Mangan is another. If you spend any time on their respective websites then you’ll quickly find other likeminded bloggers and writers.
(Btw, you talk about certain whites wanting to preserve the homogeneity of their societies as if that were some alien impulse rather than an age old fact of human nature and civilization. Social science shows us practically on a yearly basis that racial diversity exacts high costs on society; it’s actually the universalists who have the radical position that ignores history, empiricism and logic.)
Nonetheless, do the realists spend an inordinate amount of time on black/white racial differences? I don’t know. I wonder if you’ve considered the possibility that they simply want to help solve the problems of race relations without involving some kind of separation but that still allows for a restoration of the Constitution and a genuine American way of life devoid of our current racial extortion. And that this can only be accomplished if the lies of racial equalitarianism are first exposed and buried for good. After all, Carleton Putnam’s excellent 1967 sequel to Race and Reason was entitled, Race and Reality: A Search for Solutions.
Perhaps the realists are just lovers of truth and racial equalitarianism is one of the biggest lies going right now.
If none of this does it for you, what do you want me to say? Maybe the extra scrutiny simply comes with being a conspicuous minority in a white society. That’s life.
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lurker:
as further evidence that right-wing extremists are likely to increase, here’s the wikipedia entry for stormfront.org, the neo-nazi chat forum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)
if you look under the heading “popularity and later history” you’ll find that the site registered 2,000 new users the day after Obama’s election and the servers had to be shut down for overuse. this is just one piece of evidence that the law enforcement can expect an increase in activity.
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‘if you look under the heading “popularity and later history” you’ll find that the site registered 2,000 new users the day after Obama’s election and the servers had to be shut down for overuse. this is just one piece of evidence that the law enforcement can expect an increase in activity.”
That’s about as worrisome as overhearing 2 guys in a bar and a conversation at work….Some standard…I expect an increase in “activity” too. On the internet. But just in case, start checking out the local dry cleaners. If you notice large amounts of white sheets being starched and pressed, well, then you’ll know.
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For those arguing against my position that its impossible and/or pointless to try to group Hitler, Mao, Stalin, et al on a dichotomous right/left political spectrum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
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“””””””””””””on April 16, 2009 at 10:10 pm Chuck
lurker:
as further evidence that right-wing extremists are likely to increase, here’s the wikipedia entry for stormfront.org, the neo-nazi chat forum:””””””””””””
What do they have adds on tv about this site.
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Why all the stormfront adds by people who would obstensably be against it?
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Chuck must be like the gay cops impersinating little girls online.
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Plus didn’t let lurker get out the info on the tea parties. Which lurker should have just ignored chuck and talked about it.
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Mu/Ob:
I have been out all day; I replied to you late last night on this thread, April 16, 2009 at 3:44 am. I’ve scoured the boards today and found no reply from you. Since you have been trending toward contributing to the standard of three comments for every one pro-white man comment, and not advancing any forward thought processes (if you have ever), I am asking you politely to respond to the civil, sensible debate (that I KNEW you IN PARTICULAR would flock to when I made my comment).
I am calling you out because I spent a lot of time fine-tuning my reply to you to be as sensible, affable, and poignant as possible.
Note: your successive comments since my response to your rebute have been about guns and the engagement of a new handle to this board on a separate tangent. I spot you the one oversight for the time being.
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Andrew E,
Thanks for the reference, I’ll have to look into Carlton Putnam’s work. Any relation to the Bowling Alone Putnam?
I’m also familiar w/Auster, it seems that he and Sailer had words? I’ll check out his site again.
And as far as illegal immigration goes, for me it ain’t about race as much as it is about principle-we simply can’t have folk coming accross the border at will and especially now that the drug cartels are involved. I say: resurrect the Berlin Wall, put the National Guard on the border w/orders to shoot on sight. It’s that serious now, and quite frankly I’m disappointed that Pres. Obama hadn’t taken those kinds of measures. This thing has really gotten out of hand.
So, to that extent, I don’t begrudge the RR crowd. And, from what I’ve read at various sites, Half Sigma and Sailer among them, their focus when it comes to Black folk seem to hinge on the AA issue, test scores for admissions, that sort of thing.
As for your comment about racial egalitarians-I think an argument can be made that the USA itself is an experiment in such a notion. Now we can quibble over the details, but the broad framework is that ALL Men are Created Equal, and that this is reflected in our founding documents, such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights more specifically. Under that rubric, it would seem that the RR group would be at odds with such a program.
Oh, and I was thoroughly disgusted by Watson’s removal from his lifelong post as well. The matter should have been handled in true Academic fashion, with Watson having been given the chance to fully layout his views in an academic forum; it could have even taken the form of a debate, with someone else on the other side taking the oppising view. I felt that not only was Watson dumped on and given a raw deal, but the very idea of Academic Freedom itself was shat on too.
O
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Cannon,
My bad man, just seeing your comment above, and will scroll back through the comments and try my best to respond. Is it in relation to the Gay folks issue? Just curious because if so I did see that and felt there wasn’t much need to comment further. If not, will search the thread for those comments.
Again, apologies.
O
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Cannon,
OK, I’ve scrolled back and indeed, you were referring to the Gay folks issue, which I had seen last night. So again, my bad, and I will reply now.
I agree that the MS case does in a way, negate the JB to the extent that both are indeed heinous hate crimes and occured roughly around the same time. Valid point, highly so. Btw, I was deeply appalled by MS’ murder and wished that the perps got the Big D for it. Being Gay, no matter what one’s personal views, is not a good reason to be killed.
That said, I must respectfully disagree with your notion of time on the matter of Gays and Blacks; you said “today’ and I note this is something that a number of Whites, if you’ll forgive me, tend to do; they seem to see the Now as the starting point, effectively obliterating all that has led up before this point in time. This is in my view incorrect, because we are all the result of previous actions over the course of time. My point was that Gay folk cannot point to Constitutional restrictions, de facto and de jure segregation, organized terrorist groups bent on their destruction, all w/the aid of local and even federal politicians, and so on. Gay folk weren’t made to sit on the back of the bus. Gay folk weren’t steered to doors and fountains clearly marked “Homo Only”. Gay folk didn’t swing from trees enmasse.
And, as much as youor anyone else may not want to hear this, Gay folk have the *choice* to “come out” by and large, Black folk didn’t. We can’t hide who we are. So for many years, it was a constant invitation to humilation, recrimination, derision, you name it.
This is why so many Black folk consistently poll against the notion that Gay and Black are similar, and I can promise you Cannon, that if you told anyone Black that they have it easier than the average Gay person in America today, they would laugh in your face.
The Loving case in no way compares to the current round of Gay marriage debates. No comparison at all. The reason should be obvious-because in the Loving case, it still involved a Man and a Woman, and truth be told, “race mixing” had been going on as long as there had been humans, and only recently in that history did the idea of race, much less racism, become envogue.
So to the minds of most African Americans, the Gay folk are gonna have to find another wagon to hitch to.
Like you, I’m single. And like you, I too pay the price for that. Unlike you however, I have no problem with it. I can marry at anytime I wish, and be free of the “tax” of being single. I fully support those Men and Women who come together to bring on the next generation. Its a tough and often thankless job, which takes away the fun you and I take for granted as single Men still out on the market.
Hope this helps clarify my position in relation to yours, and again, apologies.
O
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Cannon’s Canon,
Don’t waste your time. Obsidian can’t keep her stories staight. Sometimes she reads like she uses another name to comment here as well. She was out of form for a bit much earlier in the thead until somebdy reminded her to please get back in character. But the comments about guns by her were entertaining, to say the least.
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Hey Fatso,
Please see your way outta the conversation. You can’t even get your genders straight and you trying to be shot callin’. Lose a couple and holla back.
O
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Obisidian,
I would be careful to invoke the founding documents in an attempt to support some version of racial egalitarianism. The documents need to be understood in context, and it’s not as simple as you seem to suggest. Lawrence Auster has discussed this, for example this excerpt from a blog discussion:
“Unadorned is absolutely right when he says: “Well then, that’s our challenge… squaring ‘All men are created equal’ … with a nation’s equally sacred right to preserve its heritage …
“In fact (though this would astonish most contemporary people), the two principles are not opposed to each other. Jefferson has always been accused of hypocrisy for writing “all men are created equal” while owning slaves. But he also wrote, in Notes on the state of Virginia: “Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free; nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live under the same government.” So he’s saying blacks should not live UNDER whites, but should not live WITH them as equals either, but in their OWN country. This is entirely in keeping with “all men are created equal” properly understood. The Declaration was saying “We British-American colonists, as a community, have the same right of self-government as the English.” In other words, the Declaration is not just asserting equality of rights of individuals, but the equality of rights of respective political communities; that after all is the main point of the Declaration (as M.E. Bradford persuasively argued). That implies the existence of distinct political communities, not the merging of all political communities into a single global community based on nothing but the equal rights of all individuals (which is the way modern liberalism would understand it).
“So Jefferson’s ultimate hope that the slaves would both be free and would leave America to to form their own political community elsewhere which would then enjoy its rights as a political community is perfectly in accord with the Declaration properly understood. ”
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001100.html
Rest assured that Auster is not some kind of segragationist, a different time calls for different solutions.
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chuck, you eejit, see, if the right wing report had “facts” like that in it, that would be evidence–not strong, but at least some evidence. You’ll notice it took you all of 2 days to find that, and doing it probably in a few google searches. Yet a paid government agency didn’t…and released the report anyway. without any facts. just before a massive right wing demonstration against Obama.
I can’t say it anymore chuck: the “report” wasn’t a report at all, but a political hit job.
but chuck, consider not referencing wikipedia, and the direct source instead. wikipedia is unreliable. it makes you tokyojesusfist-esque.
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“Hey Fatso,
Please see your way outta the conversation. You can’t even get your genders straight and you trying to be shot callin’. Lose a couple and holla back.”
Settle down there, sweetie. What guy tells another guy “to go shuffle papers” as an insult?
Hmmm…I’ll hold here…
FM
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An apropos quote for Chuck today:
“The left right distinction remains deeply meaningful and valid, and people who would dispense with it would deliver us into a conceptual fog in which it would become impossible to identify, criticize, and oppose the left. Which is why it is ALWAYS people on the left who say that the left-right distinction is invalid. It is NEVER people on the right who say it.” — Larry Auster
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“Settle down *sweetie*? With a name like Fatso, that sounds about right.
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Tarl,
Larry Auster is a respected voice of the *right*. He’s kinda biased although I don’t completely disagree with his point. Liberals have more to lose if they are lumped in with Hitler and Mao. The thing is that it does become very difficult to sort through which ideology these guys espouse once they’ve taken hold. Hitler was a populist but he supported corporatism and racial purity. He was also fervently nationistic.
Similarly, today you have “liberals”, some of whom are open to free trade others who view free trade as a corporate scheme to screw people over. The left-right scale is not linear to say the least.
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Chuck has convinced himself this is not a hit piece, and that is exactly like every other DHS report on left wingers, when we have adequately shown him that it is not, it is much less detailed and far more sweeping without evidence of its conclusions than any of the left-wing, group specific reports.
Chuck, you’ve gone into self-parodic mode here:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/media_having_trouble_finding_right?utm_source=a-section
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“Settle down *sweetie*? With a name like Fatso, that sounds about right.”
I would have responded sooner, but I was busy shuffling papers and sighting in an AK for accuracy out to 1000 meters.
Did you ever make it to the “sandtrap” yesterday? Poor Morris Dees probably ran back inside to grab his golf glubs and you likely sped right by thinking he wasn’t home.
That gun stuff was comedy gold.
Your comments are slippin’ a bit today.
Holla back…I’m still holding…Hmmm
FM
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lurker:
Ah, that explains it, you’ve been using the Onion as your source all along.
You’ve shown nothing lurker. There is no distinction in the style between the right-wing piece and the left-wing piece. Andrew Napolitano, as pointed out in Roissy’s comment yesterday, realizes the report distributed to law enforcement is a small part of a much larger report done by DHS. It by nature leaves out specific details.
Whether the report has the potential to infringe on civil liberties is up for debate, but the report was not released (Andrew Napolitano points out it was intended *solely* for internal use) to coincide or disrupt Tea Day protests. It was released 8 days, internally, before those protests started. It was part of a series of reports on domestic terror threats. *If* a governmental agency is going to put out reports on left-wing threats, islamofacist threats, and others, it only makes sense to include right-wing extremist threats in the mix.
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gregi:
“Why all the stormfront adds by people who would obstensably be against it?”
What are you talking about? I’m not sure I follow.
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When I read this, I thought of this thread. I bet Janet and a lot of people in the administration really do think this way. =)
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/scottott/DHS-to-release-left-wing-group-report-via-Twitter-43167152.html
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Tarl, good work.
Chuck, now you’re just in straight up denial. We’ve shown you time and time again the differences, equivocations, and now downright lies the administration has made in regards to this political hit job. You choose obtuse denial over plain fact. Good luck with that.
What else can I say, drink some more kool-aid, sit back, and worship at The One’s feet.
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Oh, it gets even better! Can’t wait to see how he spins this one…
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/17/dhs-ignored-civil-liberties-lawyers-warnings-on-report/
But nooooooo, this had nothing to do with the Teabaggers. Uh uh, impossible, no way. Just good honest homeland security work.
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Whether the report has the potential to infringe on civil liberties is up for debate,
That debate was resolved by the DHS’s own internal civil liberties officials – who said yes it did – but whom Janet overrode for transparently political reasons!
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Tarl, give it up. Chuck is on the kool-aid; he long ago stuck his fingers in his ears, danced around, and said, “Naah naah! I can’t hear you!” on this one.
If left wingers aren’t willing to admit the obvious politically motivated hackery of their guys, the country is indeed screwed.
like I said, the onion article is almost not-parody anymore.
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Chuck, stop trying.
The opponents you are arguing against either lack the cognitive abilities to comprehend the issue at hand (you might want to look into the “race realist” stuff especially richard lynn’s work – he puts the avg. iq of ireland at 93) or they are driven by “emotional self-bias” to the point where they deride any point made by the opposition as propaganda and LIES.
The reality of course, is that those sorts of people do exist but the Feds expend a lot of resources to monitor them (a whole department over at the FBI exists to monitor “hate crimes”). Thanks to our extreme drug laws, the Feds can nab some trailer park losers carrying some minuscule amount of meth and throw the book at them (“intent to distribute” etc.) In Europe, those sorts of people are brought up on holocaust denial, hate speech chages, etc.
http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/99263.html
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/5500_72.html
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P.S. at one point is it no longer ironic to shout “Wolverines!”?
Because we’re getting pretty close.
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tarl, you need to talk to lurker, i think he believes the Twitter story.
i don’t see how you guys can expect a report, intended for internal use, released *8 days* before the Tea Bag events, to be used as a hit job. i’m not going to doubt that janet napolitano is liberal and doesn’t hope to get her agenda pushed through, but i don’t see this specific report as a hit job. it was brought out by a right-wing blogger on April 12. napolitano or dems seemed to have no desire to use this report against Tea Baggers.
i am aware of the civil liberties concerns of the report, but if she was using this piece as a hit job, why not shore up those concerns, wait a few days, then release the report? the timing would have been much better that way if she were intending to use this as a hit piece.
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Chuck, grow the fuck up.
The reason she didn’t was because, Chuck, they have no facts to back up the assertions. But they wanted something released and out there so that people would view the events as extremists and violent and racist—-how they got racist I don’t know, but we’ve already got lefties saying it.
Chuck, just because it wasn’t released on the date you would find *most* suspicious doesn’t mean the date of April 7th isn’t suspicious. By April 7th, the Tea Party events were planned and the right wing was trying to gin up support, seeing as right wingers are pretty inexperienced at creating protests versus left wingers.
So the way to undermine your opponent’s message? Make it seem like they are extreme. The DHS report seems official and unbiased, but, as I have repeatedly pointed out , comparing it to the recent left wing terror reports is like comparing an op-ed piece by a housewife with an article from a scientific journal. It simply uses the DHS imprint to smear anyone right of center with a strong feeling about any one issue.
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Wolverines!
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And chuck, you do know the MSM keeps tabs on unclassified reports, in case anything juicy pops up, right? In the same way they keep an eye on the Congressional record or C-span coverage: to get a framing device for a story, or a story in itself.
This was not hidden, but open to , the MSM.
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Chuck/lurker/Tarl,
Arguing whether or not this DHS piece was a “hit job” is besdie the point by now. The report is a “shot across the bow” as it were. This is what the Left thinks of people who don’t agree with them and who they consider a threat. As Obama is fond of saying, they are in charge now.
You also need to look at how compliant the MSM has been with this whole tea party/report thing. They have aided and abetted the Left wing position at each and every turn.
No doubt JournoList is part of this as well. Things are going to get worse. Just wait. I urge you all to be prepared.
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“The reason she didn’t was because, Chuck, they have no facts to back up the assertions.”
As Andrew Napolitano pointed out, this report is part of a bigger DHS report, which I’ve been saying all along. It’s point was not to lay out every detail, fact, and statistic, it was to give bullet points and short explanations of the rationale behind DHS’ line of thought.
“By April 7th, the Tea Party events were planned and the right wing was trying to gin up support, seeing as right wingers are pretty inexperienced at creating protests versus left wingers.”
that doesn’t hold water because of the fact that the public didn’t know about this report until a right-wing blogger released it. it went through michelle malkin and roger hedgecock before making it to the MSM. Make the argument that it was given to the right-wing blogger if you want. If you actually find evidence supporting that, then you may have a point, but I don’t think you’ll find it.
“Make it seem like they are extreme.”
Despite some fuzzy language in the report concerning what fits “extreme”, the report is pretty much targeting traditional right wing extremists; those who collect bomb making material and subscribe to neo-nazi and racial purity ideologies.
The right-wing piece and left-wing piece are almost identical in rhetoric and factual detail. The left-wing report contains no detailed information on left-wing cyberterror groups in operation. It points to a couple of incidents over the past couple of years, but so does the right-wing report. You’re making too much of this report insofar as it relates to the Tea Parties. you’re also forgetting the fact that the Tea Partiers are *benefiting* the most from this report. They are the ones able to stoke the fire of oppression.
It seems more likely to me that conservatives found this report and put their own story to it because it adds fuel to their grassroots cause.
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“””””””””””Chuck
gregi:
“Why all the stormfront adds by people who would obstensably be against it?”
What are you talking about? I’m not sure I follow.”””””””””””””””””
The only people who bring up stormfront on this site are the ones who are “””””””against it”””””””””””””‘ so why are people who are against it advertising it there must be a reason.
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Obsidian
The phrase “all men are created equal” as used in the Declaration of Independence doesn’t mean what you think it does.
It certainly DOESN’T mean that all men are born with equal abilities, or with blank states, and that any differentiation that occurs is the result of different levels of learning, or different influences, and nothing more. It doesn’t address those sorts of things at all; and the founding fathers would also have found such a statement ridiculous. They believed in breeding as well as schooling. In fact most of the founding fathers believed in “natural aristocrats”, or people born with great mental and personality gifts.
It was a phrase taken from the European Enlightenment. It meant that there are no inherently different qualities of humans. For context you need to understand that in Europe at the time people would frequently be asked to “state your QUALITY”. I.e. state whether your an aristocrat or not, and if you are, what rank of aristo (Prince, Duke, Count, Earl, Baron etc.). If not, are you at least a knight (a Sir) or an Esquire?
The statement in the Declaration was a statement against inborn rank or social privilege. It was a statement that all such things were human inventions, rather than some god given reality. God didn’t create you an Earl, men decided that you are one, because your father was one and you’re his legitimate first born male heir. Similarly, it was a statement that monarchy itself was not god given, but an invention of humanity, that could be rejected by men as well, as we were doing in the Declaration of Independence.
However much the phrase “all men are created equal” did not stand for radical egalitarianism, and wasn’t understood to do so at the time, it is thoroughly incompatible with the institution of slavery. THAT was understood at the time.
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Ok I get the reason thats it trying to equate the person they are arguing against with belonging to the group that looks at stormfront and is a neo nazi. It is just funny that the people who bring it up are the ones with intimate knowledge of it themselves not the person they argue with.
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i’ve heard of stormfront, i know what it is, and an article i was reading pointed out that stormfront’s registration increased substantially the day after obama was elected. i don’t care if people read storm front. there are some decent discussions going on there, but i also realize it’s main objective is racial purity.
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Chuck:
“As Andrew Napolitano pointed out, this report is part of a bigger DHS report, which I’ve been saying all along. It’s point was not to lay out every detail, fact, and statistic, it was to give bullet points and short explanations of the rationale behind DHS’ line of thought. ”
—Chuck there is no “larger report” forthcoming on this. As the report here states itself, DHS “has no specific
information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence.”
There are no citations to “future reports” that I can find, and the report itself admits it bases its assumption that because the broad (note: not specific) trends of the late 2000s somewhat mirror the 1990s (but not totally) there “may” be an uptick.
Napolitano is not talking about a further report hidden from the public, btw; he is talking about the sentiments behind this report that are hidden: “My guess is that the sentiments revealed in the report I read are the tip of an iceberg that the DHS would prefer to keep submerged until it needs to reveal it. ”
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“that doesn’t hold water because of the fact that the public didn’t know about this report until a right-wing blogger released it.”
—Chuck, as I explained, this was not about influencing the public directly, but influencing the coverage of the event for the public.
The government got this into the hands of law enforcement and media types (both of whom had ample access, and I’m sure Rahm and his team made sure the most important media types got a hold of it) in order to give them a frame for the protests that was acceptable to Nobama.
“If you actually find evidence supporting that, then you may have a point, but I don’t think you’ll find it. ”
–chuck, this was an unclassified document. anyone could have access to it, especially if you’re an MSM who monitors DHS reports, which any self-respecting news organization would. Heck, you can call up and ask for it–or just find it online, as it is POSTED THERE WHICH IS HOW WE ARE READING IT. This was in the MSMs hands April 7th.
“Despite some fuzzy language in the report concerning what fits “extreme”, the report is pretty much targeting traditional right wing extremists; those who collect bomb making material and subscribe to neo-nazi and racial purity ideologies. ”
—um, no. it is targeting anyone right of center, with footnotes alluding to abortion foes and illegal imigration opponents as part of the same. it is deliberately vague so that no right wing group cannot be called “crazy” via the report.
“The right-wing piece and left-wing piece are almost identical in rhetoric and factual detail. The left-wing report contains no detailed information on left-wing cyberterror groups in operation. It points to a couple of incidents over the past couple of years, but so does the right-wing report. ”
—This is where you are wrong. Take this one on eco-terrorism here:
1) Unlike a blanketing of all left wing groups, this focuses only on one left wing type: eco-nuts.
2) it names specific groups , and states which groups (here ALF and ELF) it considers most active.
3) it gives the organization histories of concerned groups.
4) It shows how group leaders in the past have been imprisoned, and how their philosophy leads to terrorism
5) It names specific primary targets and secondary targets of the groups
6) It gives an overview of the structure of the organizations and their inter-network connectedness, including PETA to ALF and ELF
7) It quotes relevant Congressional testimony on ecomilitancy
8) it shows the crime statistics related to recent ecoterrorism
9) it shows the specific types of terrorist activities (e.g. monkeywrenching) and sabotage these groups engage in, alerting people to the M.O., including specific crimes of assault, blackmail, and firebombing.
10) It shows charts and graphs of recent activity
11) It names Specific persons as organizaers and leaders and gives background information and pictures of them.
12) It is 40pp., with footnotes citing sources.
I could go on, but you get the point. This is a highly detailed report that is for the non-specialist to read to get an overview of ecoterrorism. This is an unclassified report given to both law enforcement and the media to educate them on left wing eco threats.
None of those 12 elements I mentioned are anywhere present in the right wing report, nor is it based on any larger classified report (it does not allude to any).
the differences are night and day.
” you’re also forgetting the fact that the Tea Partiers are *benefiting* the most from this report. They are the ones able to stoke the fire of oppression.”
—chuck, that’s backward thinking. because Nobama isn’t benefitting from this, therefore it wasn’t on purpose? Maybe he didn’t expect the right wing to catch on to it, and beat it to death; in otherwords, he expected to get away with it.
“It seems more likely to me that conservatives found this report and put their own story to it because it adds fuel to their grassroots cause.”
–conservatives picked it up because it is a blatant political hit job.
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Hang on, I want to retract one thing: I do see that there is mention of some sort of “classified” document not present here. So you may be right that there is some more evidence present we’re not seeing, Chuck.
However, given the blatant, blanket, and factless assertions here, which the DHS admits are not based on any specific knowledge, I doubt the classified report has much to susbstantiate these wild and overreaching claims.
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Tarl, lurker:
regarding the right/left thing, i do buy into the horseshoe theory when it comes to the political spectrum. the overlapping characteristics of far-far-right and far-far-left have the same ends in mind.
nevertheless, tarl, you quoted larry auster as a source saying that the left are the ones who *always* make this argument. if we accept your argument then, there is a real difference between right and left. in that case, see where larry auster makes the case that Nazism, insofar as it is related to outsiders, is a right-wing disorder, while insofar as it relates a given society to itself, it is left….even larry auster can’t say that Nazism is strictly a left-wing ideology:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011423.html
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Mu:
Thank you for responding. I agree with you that we are at am impasse. I recognize that I can never understand how a black man reacts to certain situations. (South Park had an episode regarding this sentiment) We don’t need to change each others’ minds.
You are twelve years my senior. Obviously, past prejudices against blacks remain a presence in your life. If these prejudices have shaped you professionally, economically, or socially, they could have done so only to your detriment, as opposed to (the ceiling of) having no effect.
Still, I am troubled by my thought experiment. You, or your black peers, will have children, who you will teach in your mold. Will you tell them that they can achieve whatever they strive for, like Obama? Or will you still add the context that the white man sees them through the lens of slavery and subservience? Can any number of generations ever undo the injustices against the black man, in your eyes? Can a colorblind white man ever look past race, and if yes, then when?
You don’t have to reply to this – I just wanted to tell you that when you dismiss “race realists” as disaffected, middle-aged white losers, you miss the core of their sentiment.
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Chuck, I am in agreement with you on the left/right thing —although I am unsure why they call it a horseshoe. I had a teacher in high school who explained it as a circle, which seems to make more sense.
The far far right seeks no government since it believes people are fundamentally good and will take care of each other and government only creates corruption and mucks up the process. The far far left seeks total government control by everyone (the proletariot) since they perceive people as fundamentally bad, and that bad people take power and corrupt and muck up the process, so the power must be totally distributed to everyone. However, if everyone has equal power (politically speaking) and there is no corruption and mucking up by government, the line between government existence and mere peer pressure fades away.
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lurker
ever notice how chic stfu when I cornered her with facts? apparently, even panthers sometimes realize when they’re beat
No you were just reposting the same crap over and over again. Two, your comments became difficult to read. Use some italics buddy. Three, your barrage of insults make you seem childish. Four, you are mentally unstable. Five I’m not much of an arguer. I respond no more than three times for the most part
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I did not argue that Auster said the “spectrum” was circular or that he said there was no difference between right and left or that he said Hitler was left. He doesn’t say that. Nor does your horseshoe, for that matter, since a horseshoe isn’t a circle.
I don’t object to the description of Hitler as “right wing” so much as the description of him as “conservative” or “reactionary”. He wasn’t. He was a revolutionary. There was literally no institution in Germany or in the international order that he didn’t want to change.
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chic, you lose.
1) black panthers= hate group and street gang. scum of the earth.
2) beyonce= cheap little whore.
sorry to wreck your world view, panther, but reality cannot be denied!
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I don’t know what’s stupider, liberals nyah-nyahing that all terrorism is right-wing, or conservatives responding on the liberals’ terms.
Wild speculation here, but I’m guessing that left-wing terrorism probably went quiet in the Soviet Union, too.
Who commits terrorism when the government is GIVING HIM EVERYTHING HE EVER WANTED?
Leftists want America destroyed. The government-media complex is destroying America. Where’s the need to throw bombs, exactly?
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Svigor, you are right that there was no “left-wing terrorism” in the USSR in the sense that there was no anti-government left-wing terrorism because the Left was the government. On the other hand, because the Left was the government, it could (and did) use the full apparatus of the state to impose terror on the people. Who needs secret bomb factories when you have the NKVD? I consider 62 million victims of Soviet mass murder to be victims of left-wing terrorism. Let’s hope it never comes to that here.
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Whiskey:
and SWPL yuppie artists like Susan Sontag and Norman Mailer thought it was “beatiful”
So when did “SWPL” become code for “Jew”?
Whiskey, why do you write so differently than you do at Sailer’s blog? For that matter, why all the handles? Evil Neocon fit well enough.
Chuck:
as far as bush assassination talk. there was already a group busted for trying to put together a plan to kill obama. granted they were hopped up on meth and shit, but they were a right wing white nationalist group. i’m not doubting that there are individuals who would have liked to take a shot at bush, but there are plainly more *groups* of people who’d like to take out obama.
That’s pretty far down in the barrel Chuck. The Trench Coat Mafia is evidence of a vast left wing conspiracy now? (Don’t forget, unlike your two meth heads, they actually killed quite a few people) How about Chuck Manson?
Really?I never heard about any of this.Have you got a source?
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub8A25A66CA9514B9892E0074EDE4E5AFA/Doc~ECE5A9F438325465FB855CC633E8091BA~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
You can let Google’s translator or whatever mangle it, or accept this guy’s translation:
http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=2222
So no, Smith didn’t say that. What he did say was shitty enough without twisting it (subtext: now the crackers get to know how us poor black multi-millionaire AA Hollywood hires feel)
Susan Sontag is yet another faux-white who’s only white long enough to shit on real white people. Then she goes back to being a Jew. Or she used to. She’s feeding the worms now. But I don’t know if she or Mailer ever called 9/11 “beautiful.”
Some choice bits from Sontag, Mailer, and others:
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/left.php
About 80% of layoffs were among men, very few women have been laid off, and this creates a problem
source?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d28c79d6-2d11-11de-8710-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
That one made it off Drudge’s front page in record time.
Disagree with you here my friend.High defense spending is one reason for high taxes,and high deficits,leadind to high debts,and high interest charges,and therefore more taxes etc..
But without high defense spending we can’t protect Israel soooo…
i’m a Ghandi guy. i want this country to change, in a bad way, but violence and mayhem is not the way to do it.
Might want to read up on Ghandi. Just a tip. As for MLK, hate to repeat myself, but MLK had the media on his side. What did he need with violence?
If whites started using MLK’s tactics, the police would water-cannon them and the media would be calling for flamethrowers.
Chuck:
On that point you are correct. Right wing groups are certainly more likely to use violence. Left wing groups don’t use violence for the most part.
FARC?
the southern poverty law center (obviously a liberal, black organization) points out that the number of right wing groups has increased from 888 to 926 in the past year.
Chuck, time to put down the crack stem. SPLC is a Jewish organization, not a black organization. And they’re scam artists. Google for criticism, you’ll never quote them with a straight face again.
High Yellow:
And the reason why the left doesn’t ever really risk their lives these days is easy: They are in power for the most part.
We have a winner! Didn’t have time this morning to read this ginormous thread so I repeated the obvious with my first post.
Some wuss:
The whole Race Realism thing is something disaffected White guys use as salve on their egos in order to explain why their such abject failures in life.
Don’t believe the hype.
Nah, denial of race realism is something blacks, white Uncle Toms, etc., do to salve their egos in the face of, well, race realism.
See how easy armchair pop psychology faggery is? It’s okay as a spice, but by itself it’s mostly-gay.
How is facing reality as it is anything other than purely masculine? It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to paint PeeCee as “for winners.”
P.S. he’s so rich from Passion of the Christ. Studios didn’t want to release it, seeing as too controversial and thinking religious movies didn’t do well.
Wrong. Some dollars, Hollywood doesn’t want. PotC clearly showed how false (not “wrong,” false) the supposed “religious movies don’t do well” thing was. How the hell would Hollywood even know? The only movies they’ve made about Christianity in the last forty years have been post-modernist smears against Christianity.
Like I said, some dollars Hollywood doesn’t want. Like the kind that let Christians be proud of themselves. Like the kind that let white men be proud of themselves (for something other than “altruistic” suicide).
Too controversial? With whom, other than Jewish oligarchs and leftist useful idiots? And since when does Hollywood shy away from controversy? They peddled a flick about two cowboys sodomizing one another as if it were the second coming. Controversy sells, which Hollywood knows perfectly well when they aren’t coming up with transparent BS excuses. And I’d like to know why a literal, positive rather than snarky/subversive interpretation of Jesus’ last days would be controversial with moviegoers. Christians would spend billions on films if Hollywood wanted their money. Hollywood clearly doesn’t, because Hollywood clearly understands that “business is war.” Which is why Jews took over the business of filmmaking about five seconds after the white man invented it.
[full disclosure: definitely not a Christian]
Have a Bush bumper sticker in the Bay Area, and your car WILL get vandalized.
Have an Obama sticker parked in front of an NRA gathering, and you will still be quite safe.
That rings about as true as a hypothetical anecdote ever could. 🙂
DA:
There’s something highly hypocritical about a being the child of an immigrant, and saying “fuck you, go suffer” to somebody else down the line who is essentially no different than my parents.
News to no one, but you’re a very confused fellow DA. If I don’t want to let someone into my home, to sleep in my bed and eat my food, I’m somehow the bad guy? How does that work?
Funny, I’m not the child of an immigrant; in fact, my family’s been here since 1700 or so (I forget the exact date). Yet you evidently feel just fine saying “fuck you, go suffer” to ME. To whom do you owe more (if we’re going to follow your “logic” with the ancestry thing), the fellow who let you in, or the fellow in line behind you?
All you’re doing is justifying those “know-nothings” who said we shouldn’t have let YOU in.
Darth Maul:
These two are dumber than a bag of broken crayons. On top of it, they both think screaming and yelling like a crazed chihuahua bitches makes them come across as smart and “alpha”.
Lurker and Dougjnn are dumber than a circle of dumb chicks sucking on their own used tampons like candies.
So far the only thing you’re mauling is the English language. Please, never attempt simile again. Ever.
Oh God no please…there’s more.
The only thing he knows how to do, like a retard, is drink soda and masturbate in a corner.
I am sure, lurker can lick off his man’s yogurt from the floor when Gord is done.
For the love of GOD, man!
dumber than a bag of broken crayons
Oh God I am so stealing this^^^. The next time someone pisses me off I’m sooooo going to hurl this at them.
It’s spreading…
What do you torment me, Lord?
Regardless, accepting people from varying backgrounds is what I grew up with as an American ideal, and I don’t see how being pro-legal immigrant is magically being disloyal.
I showed you above. You’re screwing those who were good to you, in favor of those who are like you. “This is what I was taught”? Can’t you do better than that?
Besides, a lot of a claims thrown around by anti-immigration activists are based on race realism and reek of a “you and your people are inferior and broken” sentiment.
See? This is the thanks we get for letting you in (a rhetorical point, as I would not have let you in were it up to me):
“Fuck you, suffer.”
I’d go on like this but Obsidian offered some actual red meat so I’ll deal with that in another post.
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My problem is this disturbing trend, in this forum, of some who are what I would consider Racism Deniers-people who question the validity of the whole of lynchings, acts by the Klan, and so forth. To let them tell it, Black folk really didn’t have it so bad during and after Slavery, and in truth the White Man was actually doing em a favor by trapping them and taking them to the New World, in chains, no less.
Good Lord, you’re “disturbed.” Shall I grab the Pepto for you?
Okay, so you don’t like people who deny reality. Okay, maybe that’s a bit broad, since you’ve gone on record as a reality-denier yourself. So maybe you just don’t like it when people deny history. Let’s talk about some recent history then:
United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
Article 3
Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Article 4
Indigenous peoples, in exercising their right to self-determination, have the right to autonomy or self-government in matters relating to their internal and local affairs, as well as ways and means for financing their autonomous functions.
Article 5
Indigenous peoples have the right to maintain and strengthen their distinct political, legal, economic, social and cultural institutions, while retaining their right to participate fully, if they so choose, in the political, economic, social and cultural life of the State.
Article 8
1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.
2. States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for:
(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
(c) Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration;
(e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them.
Do you deny that elements of the rights laid out in each of these articles are being denied, systematically, to white (AKA, of European descent) populations around the world?
To let them tell it, Black folk really didn’t have it so bad during and after Slavery, and in truth the White Man was actually doing em a favor by trapping them and taking them to the New World, in chains, no less.
I have a question I find germane; do you think America would be better off today if the transatlantic slave trade had never happened?
History in this forum records that neither I, nor anyone else who can claim African ancestry, has any problem in the least discussing the central theme of Race realism, that being, that since Black folk aren’t as smar as Whites, they should be able t have the cushy jobs over more deserving, ie, smarter, White males. I mean, when you really get down to it, that is the grit of the issue, right?
I have my fingers crossed that you aren’t the typically dishonest black man constitutionally incapable of arguing in a forthright manner. The preceding paragraph does not bode well.
Short history of “Civil Rights” in America:
“Blacks aren’t as wealthy or successful as whites. The races are equal within the skull, so this is obviously because whites are up to no good, holding blacks down.”
Then a few white guys say, “no, blacks aren’t as successful or wealthy as whites because their aptitudes for success and wealth aren’t as strong as whites’; in short, your premise is wrong.”
Then Obsidian comes along and tells us it’s all about white supremacy!
No. We were accused. That our defense against that accusation doesn’t sit well with you isn’t high on my “to fix” list.
Race realism is a moral duty for white men, because whites stand accused, collectively, of malfeasance, and race realism is exhibit A for the defense. If blacks (or more accurately, the whites and “whites” who champion them) didn’t want this can of worms opened, they shouldn’t have accused us of responsibility for their “failure” (scare-quoted because I don’t think “black failure” makes any sense except in the context of what I call liberal white supremacy; the idea that the world is populated with white people with differently-colored skin, and when any of them fail to behave like whites, there’s a “problem”)
No AE, there is something else that lurks under the veneer of “scientific” speak that goes on here and elsewhere, and folks like Dave Alex and even T aka Ricky Raw himself have picked up on it-there is the tone, the sense, of wanting to use this obstensible “proof” (which may indeed be so mind you) to do away with them troublesome Negros. There is a palpable anger, and animus, that simply aint there in cases like say, Asians, who pose a much greater threat in terms of those precious and prestigious college slots and cushy jobs.
We don’t have Asians thrust in our face; Asians aren’t cannon fodder in the culture war against whites the way blacks are. And Asians aren’t given positions they don’t deserve based on their racial origins, blacks are.
And then of course, is the gorilla in the middle of the room White guys do the Matrix dance to get around-White Women, the undisputed single biggest benefactor of Affirmative Action-and, as Larry Summers soon found out, noting real differences in cognitive ability when it came to Men and Women was a serious no-no.
Got any evidence that white women are higher in the AA hierarchy than non-whites?
Not that race realists actually DO the Matrix dance, whatever that is. The vast majority take a giant crap on feminism too.
I can’t recall the last time Black folks were able to oust an Ivy League school prez from his post, AE.
Haha, nice sleight of hand. But you’ll never find me blaming blacks for much of anything, so I’ll leave that one for someone who does. I do remember whites burning James Watson in the public square for suggesting that black IQ might be lower than white IQ due to genes.
There is the sense of sour grapes among the ones who clamor the loudest for the validity of Race realism, and again, I don’t deny the central tenets. What I have a problem with is how its applied, used, and what for.
That’s the rub with facts, isn’t it? People get to draw their own conclusions.
Black folk didn’t have a hand in Slavery, White Men did.
See, there you go, flip-flopping back to denial again. Blacks had no hand in slavery? WTF? Where do you think the white man got them?
We can’t even get the blacks in Africa to stop enslaving one another TODAY. There’s a country in sub-Saharan Africa that’s outlawed slavery like 6 times in the last half-century, lol (and it ain’t because they really Really REALLY hate slavery, lol).
Nor have Black folk been in a position to force a sitting university president of one of the world’s most prestigious univeristies for saying something they didn’t like, and I’m pretty sure you would have been quick to point out to me if indeed such a thing had happened. Which leads me to conclude, that you know of none, either.
Summers was ousted by leftists, because leftists run Harvard and didn’t want him saying the things he said. Had he said similar things about blacks, he’d have bounced when he hit the curb, and sooner too. I mean, you’re acting as though you’ve made some great point with this non-comparision, when all it tells me is that no sitting president of Harvard has said anything similar about blacks, which, if anything, implies that the taboos shielding blacks are stronger than those shielding women (pretty obvious when you see how free (relatively speaking) white people feel to explore sex differences, or criticize feminism; white females are obviously lower in the leftist/mainstream hierarchy than blacks).
Moreover, Black folk have shown themselves to have bent over backward to intergrate, to be a part of this country, with a mixed record at best to show for it.
Ahahahahahahaha…ahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaaa! Sorry, my mind wandered a bit there. Some black school kids passed nearby, accusing one another of “acking white.” Please continue.
And still we soldier on, in spite of it all. Even the Nation of Islam adopts many of the trappings of White folk-the suits, for example.
Hold on, I’m trying to find the world’s smallest violin, so I can play your tune on it.
Your true enemy is the so-called SWPL crowd, not Black folks.
Throw Jews in there and I can only respond, “tell me something I don’t know.”
Though the make a colorful target, in truth, they don’t have the ability to make things happen. The SWPLers, do. And quite often, at that.
Preaching to the choir, mate.
Summers noted real cognitive differences between Men and Women, did he not? And, isn’t a large chunk of Race realism built on the notion that there are real differences of cognitive ability between Black and White? Well, you might say, the differences in the latter is more far reaching in the former, to which I would say, but there have been and are now, far and away more Women in highpost positions than there are Blacks-and yet those very cognitive differences don’t seem to be that big a deal to you or another other White (Male) Race realist then. We Black folk may not be Mensas. But we aint totally stupid.
I’m not quite sure what trying to say here. Could you clarify?
The bottomline AE, is that much to you and others’ chagrin, we African Americans are are a part of this country whether you like it or not. And we wil continue to fight for our fair share of this country. Not by violent means necessarily (though I’m not a pacifist) but by means that bhave proven to get results: hard work, thrift, courage, and so on.
I’m sure the conservatives and race realists are all shaking in their boots at the possibility that blacks will pursue happiness via hard work, thrift, and courage.
Whether we like it or not, we African Americans occupy a truly unique position on the American landscape; we are its conscience. And rightly so.
If blacks are America’s conscience, we’re all fucked.
Rum:
The problem with calling Nazi-ism a party of the Left is that the Nazis put leftists in concentration camps. Communists & socialists were among the first to be arrested.
So when the families from Calabria go to war with the families from Sicily, that means they can’t all be Mafia/Mob/organized crime families?
Obsidian:
Moving to Whiskey’s comments, its important to note that the intense criminality in Black America since the latter 60s, is a relatively recent thing in Black American life. To be sure, we’ve always had our share of neer do wells (check out Bill Duke’s Hoodlum, for starters), but we never had the sheer level of criminality prior to the late 60s, running up through the present really, though most pros agree it really crested during the height of the Crack Wars, from the mid 80s to mid 90s.
Blacks had whitey looking angrily over his shoulder until the ’60s. Then whitey said, “I’ve been very bad to you, go have some fun,” and blacks acted accordingly. The “decline” of black America came about because whitey lost his nerve, not because blacks lost their way.
A lot of White guys know good and well that they cannot win in a “firefight” against powerful Feminist Lobbies, and also know that while Black folk have some measure of influence, they can’t make things stop on a dime like what happened to Summers.
This is about the fifth time you’ve drawn from this well, comparing race realist attitudes toward blacks, and race realist attitudes toward white women. The closest you’ve gotten to the real heart of the matter is the silly assertion that we “need them for pussy.” Is it really that hard to figure out? THEY’RE US, for God’s sake. They’re our problem to deal with, and we have to reconcile with them. Blacks are NOT US. They’re not our problem, and we don’t have to reconcile with them. This is aside from any qualitative differences (e.g., the difference in IQ between white men and women is tiny compared to the difference between whites and blacks).
Having said that though, the real issue here is, yet again, the SWPL crowd, because it is there that you’ll find the very people who make the most of the notion of being among the Cognitive Elite. Break the hold they have on academia, which directly translates to the economy, and you just might be onto something. Tossing out illegals might make you feel good for a minute, but its a lot bigger, and higher, than that.
And worse, the little dirty secret, is that many of us know it, too.
Haha, what happened to blacks as America’s conscience? Don’t pass the buck so quickly. If blacks in high places dissented (convincingly and persistently) from open borders, the Swipples would shit their drawers.
chained and dragged behind trucks
You do know that the cracker who did that crime came out of prison a rabid racist because he was gang-raped inside by blacks, right? Just curious.
go right to the source-the SWPL crowd. You gotta confront them directly, boldly, and have a plan to utterly break them.
Good luck with that.
So your interest in the matter only goes so far as getting race realists to leave blacks alone, then? Just want to be clear here.
Okay, that’s enough for me for now. Thread’s just too damned long.
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One more for the road:
HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
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MU please don’t respond to the above^^^. This buy is a “blk folk are evil” lover over at the sailer.
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Hi Chic,
Yes, I know who “Svigor” is. I’ve read many of his comments at Sailer’s site, and he’s made his position quite clear in this thread in response to my comments, which, in and of themselves, I have no problem with. He’s entitled to his opinion, and should have the right to give voice to it.
To briefly address some of his comments, first I’d like to say that again, this all really comes down to Svignor’s side and their neverending battle w/the SWPL crowd. And this is hardly an originally analysis on my part-Sailer himself has been saying this for years; he even made the exact same point to Jared Taylor, a major figure in the “White Nationalism” movement in his online debate, which can be easily found. Of course, that point didn’t go over so well w/Taylor either. As Svionor noted, its kinda hard to get frothy at the mouth when the “enemy” looks like you.
But, Svignor does raise a very interesting question: would the USA be better off never having imported Black folk to its shores? In a word, I’d say, No. Why? Because its pretty clear to me that White folk had little desire, and definitely didn’t have much ability, to do the arduous work called for to build up America as it was known then, especially the South. Trying to get the Indians to do it failed miserably.
What interests me about the Race Realists argument is that they have no problem using Black folk when they needed them (recall Andrew E’s citation of Thomas Jefferson above), then, when they no longer need them, want to cry crocodile tears and send the Noble Savages back home to Africa. Nice.
I would also go on to say that had Black folk not been here the USA couldn’t truly live up to its promise. I’ve said it before and it bears repeating: the White Founding Fathers laid the foundation of the American House, but we African Americans made it a home. Huge difference btw the two, symboitic, inseparable, unified in ways that at times are uncomfortable to both. But, here we are.
Svignor’s retort to my observation also sidesteps the underbelly of Race Realism-i noted earlier that there are news reportage of California White parents of college aged kids, angered that Asians are taking up all the best and cushiest slots at that state’s best universities-i am still waiting for Svignor or anyone else for that matter to directly address this point. What will happen when a critical mass of Asians outriht dominates the upper classes in terms of academic and work spots-will White simply accept this and by extension, their considerably reduced market/social status in stride? Or will we hear a differing rationale than the one currently offered by the RRs when it comes to Black and Brown folk? Surely, they can’t use the refrain “they’re not qualified!” on Asians. What will the future hold?
Hmm…
Svignor, and to a lesser extent Andrew E and others, argue that the difference in IQ/cognitive ability btw White Women and Men is small, and therefore no real debating point to use wrt Black folks. Fair enough-then perhaps either of these gentlemen would care to explain why, over the past century, Men continue to dominate the top award winners among Nobel catergories such as Economics, Physics and so on?
And again-do either Svignor and/or Andrew E, deny that there are White Women around, who got the jobs and positions and admissions they got, not because they were talented and the best and brightest, but because of a need to redress a real or perceived power imbalance in society? And, while Svignor and Andrew E swear that RRs rail against Feminism just as hard as they do NAMs, a quick perusal of some of the leading sites says something quite different-take, for example, Sailer’s site. Feminism makes up a very small portion of his and his readers’ daily outrage. NAM stuff clearly leads the pack.
But, we all know why that is, now don’t we? Svignor may recoil at my crass way of putting it, but at the end of the day, as the recent Fat Polar Bear Lady showed, and he said himself, “ITS ABOUT US”.
And we not too smart Black folk know it too.
So, why don’t the RR crowd drop the charade, and just say it-they want America to remain all White, regardless of how much they would have to muck up their own founding principles to make this happen. And then, of course, when the NAMs are gone, then other “non pure” Whites would have to be excised too: we’ll start with the Jews, of course. And then those sneaky Asians. Italians and Irish folk are just a bit outside of the proper Anglo-Saxon based norm, so we’d need to push them to the margins, too.
Right, Svignor…Andrew E? I mean, let’s really push the envelope here, and take things to their most logical conclusion, eh?
Lastly, let me say again: I thought what happened to Watson was grossly unfair; it was not only an affront to the Man himself, but a broadside assault on the Academy itself. He should have been given the chance to make his case, I suggested a public debate in an academic setting, where people can hear both sides and can come to their own conclusions.
But as we all know, Watson’s ouster was due to Sharpton or Jackson or even Farrakhan: it was due directly to the SWPLers, the very same White folk whom for some strange and odd reason guys like Svignor and Andrew E can’t get a handle on. Funny that.
If so inclined gentlemen, holla back
O
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Hi Chic,
Yes, I know who “Svigor” is. I’ve read many of his comments at Sailer’s site, and he’s made his position quite clear in this thread in response to my comments, which, in and of themselves, I have no problem with. He’s entitled to his opinion, and should have the right to give voice to it.
To briefly address some of his comments, first I’d like to say that again, this all really comes down to Svignor’s side and their neverending battle w/the SWPL crowd. And this is hardly an originally analysis on my part-Sailer himself has been saying this for years; he even made the exact same point to Jared Taylor, a major figure in the “White Nationalism” movement in his online debate, which can be easily found. Of course, that point didn’t go over so well w/Taylor either. As Svionor noted, its kinda hard to get frothy at the mouth when the “enemy” looks like you.
But, Svignor does raise a very interesting question: would the USA be better off never having imported Black folk to its shores? In a word, I’d say, No. Why? Because its pretty clear to me that White folk had little desire, and definitely didn’t have much ability, to do the arduous work called for to build up America as it was known then, especially the South. Trying to get the Indians to do it failed miserably.
What interests me about the Race Realists argument is that they have no problem using Black folk when they needed them (recall Andrew E’s citation of Thomas Jefferson above), then, when they no longer need them, want to cry crocodile tears and send the Noble Savages back home to Africa. Nice.
I would also go on to say that had Black folk not been here the USA couldn’t truly live up to its promise. I’ve said it before and it bears repeating: the White Founding Fathers laid the foundation of the American House, but we African Americans made it a home. Huge difference btw the two, symboitic, inseparable, unified in ways that at times are uncomfortable to both. But, here we are.
Svignor’s retort to my observation also sidesteps the underbelly of Race Realism-i noted earlier that there are news reportage of California White parents of college aged kids, angered that Asians are taking up all the best and cushiest slots at that state’s best universities-i am still waiting for Svignor or anyone else for that matter to directly address this point. What will happen when a critical mass of Asians outriht dominates the upper classes in terms of academic and work spots-will White simply accept this and by extension, their considerably reduced market/social status in stride? Or will we hear a differing rationale than the one currently offered by the RRs when it comes to Black and Brown folk? Surely, they can’t use the refrain “they’re not qualified!” on Asians. What will the future hold?
Hmm…
Svignor, and to a lesser extent Andrew E and others, argue that the difference in IQ/cognitive ability btw White Women and Men is small, and therefore no real debating point to use wrt Black folks. Fair enough-then perhaps either of these gentlemen would care to explain why, over the past century, Men continue to dominate the top award winners among Nobel catergories such as Economics, Physics and so on?
And again-do either Svignor and/or Andrew E, deny that there are White Women around, who got the jobs and positions and admissions they got, not because they were talented and the best and brightest, but because of a need to redress a real or perceived power imbalance in society? And, while Svignor and Andrew E swear that RRs rail against Feminism just as hard as they do NAMs, a quick perusal of some of the leading sites says something quite different-take, for example, Sailer’s site. Feminism makes up a very small portion of his and his readers’ daily outrage. NAM stuff clearly leads the pack.
But, we all know why that is, now don’t we? Svignor may recoil at my crass way of putting it, but at the end of the day, as the recent Fat Polar Bear Lady showed, and he said himself, “ITS ABOUT US”.
And we not too smart Black folk know it too.
So, why don’t the RR crowd drop the charade, and just say it-they want America to remain all White, regardless of how much they would have to muck up their own founding principles to make this happen. And then, of course, when the NAMs are gone, then other “non pure” Whites would have to be excised too: we’ll start with the Jews, of course. And then those sneaky Asians. Italians and Irish folk are just a bit outside of the proper Anglo-Saxon based norm, so we’d need to push them to the margins, too.
Right, Svignor…Andrew E? I mean, let’s really push the envelope here, and take things to their most logical conclusion, eh?
Lastly, let me say again: I thought what happened to Watson was grossly unfair; it was not only an affront to the Man himself, but a broadside assault on the Academy itself. He should have been given the chance to make his case, I suggested a public debate in an academic setting, where people can hear both sides and can come to their own conclusions.
But as we all know, Watson’s ouster wasn’t due to Sharpton or Jackson or even Farrakhan: it was due directly to the SWPLers, the very same White folk whom for some strange and odd reason guys like Svignor and Andrew E can’t get a handle on. Funny that.
If so inclined gentlemen, holla back
O
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Interesting site Svigor.
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I’ve just checked out Svignor’s website, which you can access if you click on his name in the comments above. He says that RRs are as concerned about Feminism and such, so I decided to put his assertion to the test, using his website as a test case. Luckily for us, his site has a handy search engine, into which I entered the words, feminism, women and abortion; then, affirmative action, blacks, negroes and finally, slavery. The results, were striking.
Except for one post on Feminism, which garned about 108 comments, all the rest pertaining to feminism etc, got comments remaining in the single digits. On the other hand, posts dealing with the latter search engine terms, generating comments which numbered in the least low digits, and in many cases well over 50. How surprising.
I think its safe to say, what the real and true focus of RRs like Svignor, and they have that right. They should just, like I said before, drop the charade and call their movement and stance for what it is. When less than Black folk can see through your ruse, you know the gig is up.
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Most wanted terrorist in America today is…. (drum roll)…
A Leftist!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_domestic_terrorist
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But, Svignor does raise a very interesting question: would the USA be better off never having imported Black folk to its shores? In a word, I’d say, No.
And would black Americans today be better off if the transatlantic trade had never happened?
P.S., black chick, don’t speak for me, you’re not qualified for the job. I’ve never in my life called blacks evil. And I don’t lay blame on them, either.
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Svignor,
Again, an interesting question. Assuming that events unfolded at any rate in Africa, ie colonialism etc, one could argue that it wouldn’t make a difference. I honestly don’t know, but what I do know is, even if Black folk did do better off remaining in Africa, it was still wrong on all levels for White slavers to do what they did.
In their zeal to want to defend themselves as what they see as a brutal assualt against White Males in particular, the RR crowd seeks to justify an obvious moral wrong. This doesn’t help their position or win over many people to their cause-if the annual AmRen conference is any indication, the ones held in more recent years had more protestors outside than actual attendees inside.
Very interesting. Hmm.
O
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Obsimian
But, Svignor does raise a very interesting question: would the USA be better off never having imported Black folk to its shores? In a word, I’d say, No. Why? Because its pretty clear to me that White folk had little desire, and definitely didn’t have much ability, to do the arduous work called for to build up America as it was known then, especially the South. Trying to get the Indians to do it failed miserably.
“No. Why?”
Because “yes” would constitute a confession. “No” runs the risk of “then why all the cloth-rending over the transatlantic trade?” but it’s the lesser of two evils. You at least made an attempt to squeeze some lemons, though, kudos for succeeding to some infinitesmal degree; a primary schooler might buy that nonsense. But c’mon, man, don’t you feel like an ass writing stuff like that? SLAVES had the desire to do arduous work, but free white men didn’t? And you’re actually going to try and fly a total pig like “blacks did all the hard work building America?” Are you high?
The pioneers weren’t black, the cotton-pickers were. Blacks didn’t build much of anything, they were overwhelmingly used for unskilled manual labor.
What interests me about the Race Realists argument is that they have no problem using Black folk when they needed them (recall Andrew E’s citation of Thomas Jefferson above), then, when they no longer need them, want to cry crocodile tears and send the Noble Savages back home to Africa. Nice.
Are you addressing me now, or Andrew E? If the latter, I don’t play with straw men. I’ve never needed blacks, and I never will.
I would also go on to say that had Black folk not been here the USA couldn’t truly live up to its promise. I’ve said it before and it bears repeating: the White Founding Fathers laid the foundation of the American House, but we African Americans made it a home. Huge difference btw the two, symboitic, inseparable, unified in ways that at times are uncomfortable to both. But, here we are.
You sound like a politician now. USA couldn’t live up to its promise without blacks? WTF does that even mean? We had to bring black slave labor here to be Americans? Uhm, no. America without the transatlantic trade would suit me far better than it does with.
Africans made it a home? Again, what kind of silly horseshit is that? Is that a joke or something? Are you going to blow smoke up my ass from here on out?
Symbiotic? Where’s the symbiosis right now? Blacks feed off whites. That’s parasitism, not symbiosis.
Inseparable? Says who? The parasite?
But I’m interested in how the situation is uncomfortable for blacks. Do tell, I’m all ears.
Svignor’s retort to my observation also sidesteps the underbelly of Race Realism-i noted earlier that there are news reportage of California White parents of college aged kids, angered that Asians are taking up all the best and cushiest slots at that state’s best universities-i am still waiting for Svignor or anyone else for that matter to directly address this point.
(I’m going to remember you accused me of “side-stepping.” When I’m done going over my post, I’m going to repeat every single issue I brought to your attention previously, that you side-stepped in your response. Then we can compare your side-stepping of points I brought specifically to your attention, with my “side-stepping” of points you brought to others’ attention, in this gargantuan thread, before I even got here)
What’s the source for your assertion about white parents “angered that Asians are taking up all the best and cushiest slots”? I’d rather read it myself than take your word for it.
That said, there’s no “point” for me to address, directly or otherwise. You stated a fact (assuming it’s actually a fact, for the purposes of argument). That’s not a point. I say the sky is blue, and I’ve made some point to which someone must respond? Or was your point made previously, to someone else? And am I supposed to scroll through the thread and find your original point, assuming it exists, so I can have the privilege of digesting it and responding?
What will happen when a critical mass of Asians outriht dominates the upper classes in terms of academic and work spots-will White simply accept this and by extension, their considerably reduced market/social status in stride?
How the hell am I supposed to know the answer to that? What am I, prescient now?
Or will we hear a differing rationale than the one currently offered by the RRs when it comes to Black and Brown folk?
I’m not sure I follow. Sounds like you’re arguing with someone else again. Maybe the two of you should get together and chat.
Svignor, and to a lesser extent Andrew E and others, argue that the difference in IQ/cognitive ability btw White Women and Men is small, and therefore no real debating point to use wrt Black folks.
Well, it’s small in the middle of the curve. At the tails it’s much more pronounced.
Fair enough-then perhaps either of these gentlemen would care to explain why, over the past century, Men continue to dominate the top award winners among Nobel catergories such as Economics, Physics and so on?
Well, if I had an ironclad explanation I could point you to my award-winning book on the subject. But if you want my theory, I’d say it probably has to do with several factors, including the aforementioned difference at the right tail of the bell curve (average people generally don’t innovate), testosterone (or whatever name you want to give to that “x-factor” that makes men want to build things and go places and discover things), etc.
And again-do either Svignor and/or Andrew E, deny that there are White Women around, who got the jobs and positions and admissions they got, not because they were talented and the best and brightest, but because of a need to redress a real or perceived power imbalance in society?
Nope.
And, while Svignor and Andrew E swear that RRs rail against Feminism just as hard as they do NAMs, a quick perusal of some of the leading sites says something quite different-take, for example, Sailer’s site. Feminism makes up a very small portion of his and his readers’ daily outrage. NAM stuff clearly leads the pack.
There you go, retreating even further into that congenital black male dishonesty. Or maybe it’s just low g. Either way, I did not “swear that RRs rail against feminism just as hard as they do NAMs.” Your straw man did.
But, we all know why that is, now don’t we? Svignor may recoil at my crass way of putting it, but at the end of the day, as the recent Fat Polar Bear Lady showed, and he said himself, “ITS ABOUT US”.
I don’t care about crassness either way. But it is a far cry from “dey’s our pussy man” to “they’re US.” Surely even you can grasp that?
So, why don’t the RR crowd drop the charade, and just say it-they want America to remain all White, regardless of how much they would have to muck up their own founding principles to make this happen.
Lol, here you go again, arguing with the big, bad, sheet-wearing, gun-toting, cross-burning straw man of yours. Whenever my arguments don’t suit you, you just run along and play with him? Do you pin a post-it enscribed with “Svignor” to its chest, too?
This is the favorite argument of frustrated leftists (not saying you are such a creature, Obsimian, just pointing out the argument’s main demographic in my (long) experience); when they start to lose, they put on their Swami hats, squint, and start rubbing their temples. Then, via their telepathic link to the evilsheetwearingguntotingcrossburning straw man racists, they divine for the rubes precisely what the racists are REALLY thinking (TM).
And then, of course, when the NAMs are gone, then other “non pure” Whites would have to be excised too: we’ll start with the Jews, of course. And then those sneaky Asians. Italians and Irish folk are just a bit outside of the proper Anglo-Saxon based norm, so we’d need to push them to the margins, too.
A spirit has moved me! I feel a divination coming on! The LOHword is gonna tell me what the racists are REALLY thinking!
Right, Svignor…Andrew E? I mean, let’s really push the envelope here, and take things to their most logical conclusion, eh?
Remember, if you have no argument, just make up a straw man and beat the crap out of him! Much easier than doing the hard work of dealing with a tough opponent.
Lastly, let me say again: I thought what happened to Watson was grossly unfair; it was not only an affront to the Man himself, but a broadside assault on the Academy itself. He should have been given the chance to make his case, I suggested a public debate in an academic setting, where people can hear both sides and can come to their own conclusions.
Uhm, yeah, but that doesn’t address my point.
But as we all know, Watson’s ouster was due to Sharpton or Jackson or even Farrakhan: it was due directly to the SWPLers, the very same White folk whom for some strange and odd reason guys like Svignor and Andrew E can’t get a handle on. Funny that.
Again, you’re dodging my point.
I’ve just checked out Svignor’s website, which you can access if you click on his name in the comments above. He says that RRs are as concerned about Feminism and such, so I decided to put his assertion to the test, using his website as a test case.
Again, you’re attacking a straw man.
Luckily for us, his site has a handy search engine, into which I entered the words, feminism, women and abortion; then, affirmative action, blacks, negroes and finally, slavery. The results, were striking.
Except for one post on Feminism, which garned about 108 comments, all the rest pertaining to feminism etc, got comments remaining in the single digits. On the other hand, posts dealing with the latter search engine terms, generating comments which numbered in the least low digits, and in many cases well over 50. How surprising.
I think its safe to say, what the real and true focus of RRs like Svignor, and they have that right. They should just, like I said before, drop the charade and call their movement and stance for what it is. When less than Black folk can see through your ruse, you know the gig is up.
Yes, Obsimian, you’ve devastated your straw man. Torn him limb from limb. He’ll never recover, the destruction is total and final. Stand over him, plant one foot on his chest, look skyward, and hold your banner high. You have truly demonstrated your superiority over this pathetic golem.
Again, an interesting question. Assuming that events unfolded at any rate in Africa, ie colonialism etc, one could argue that it wouldn’t make a difference. I honestly don’t know, but what I do know is, even if Black folk did do better off remaining in Africa, it was still wrong on all levels for White slavers to do what they did.
Nice soft-shoe dance. You’re sure about everything until you get to this one.
It isn’t difficult, it’s pretty straightforward. I didn’t ask you a bunch of what-ifs about “events unfolding in Africa,” or colonialism, or any et ceteras.
I did a search some time back to compare the wealth of blacks in Africa and in America today. It was hard to come up with figures online for sub-Saharan Africa, much less figures specific to blacks there (big suprise), but I found a reasonable proxy and the comparison was absurd. I forget the ratio, but it was something like 1:20 or 1:50; it was like a bunt vs. a grand slam that went into the parking lot.
So, does your waffling demonstrate that you’re simply ignorant, or that you’re just another congenitally dishonest black man?
I don’t think you need any figures to convince or enlighten you. I think you (and most blacks in America, deep down) know perfectly well that the transatlantic slave trade (at least vis-a-vis these U.S.) was, in the long run (i.e., from the perspective of blacks today), the best thing to happen to blacks, ever.
Powerball lotto.
The number of blacks in Africa who wouldn’t trade places with any black in America outside of prison is probably vanishingly small.
In their zeal to want to defend themselves as what they see as a brutal assualt against White Males in particular, the RR crowd seeks to justify an obvious moral wrong.
I’m not trying to justify anything. The very idea is absurd – take modern concepts of morality, and use them to make an ex post facto judgement of events that transpired under a different moral concept? Slavery has been the norm for far longer than not (no comparison). The very word (probably) takes its name from the Slavs, a group so enthusiastically bought and sold by Muslims that their name became synonymous with the practice.
It was not an “obvious moral wrong” at the time. Blacks sold fellow blacks like it was going out of style, and it was the normal way to treat captured members of tribes they’d defeated in battle.
The white man’s participation (along with Arabs, Jews, and blacks, inter alia) was not singular. What IS singular is that the white man put a stop to it. Had to kick some ass in the Near East and Africa to get it done, too. And if he stopped caring, I have little doubt that there are populations the world over who’d happily go back to the practice (or engage in it more openly than they do now). Black Africa’s had a penchant for selling off its excess population throughout recorded history, for example.
This doesn’t help their position or win over many people to their cause-if the annual AmRen conference is any indication, the ones held in more recent years had more protestors outside than actual attendees inside.
Is that an appeal to authority (very popular among “debating” black men in my experience, though not nearly as popular as the “quote from a famous guy”), or just an offhand remark?
Since this comment is long enough already, I’ll enumerate your side-stepping, to which I referred earlier, in a subsequent comment.
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Obsimian:
Here are the points I made that you side-stepped:
Let’s talk about some recent history then:
United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
Article 3
Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Article 4
Indigenous peoples, in exercising their right to self-determination, have the right to autonomy or self-government in matters relating to their internal and local affairs, as well as ways and means for financing their autonomous functions.
Article 5
Indigenous peoples have the right to maintain and strengthen their distinct political, legal, economic, social and cultural institutions, while retaining their right to participate fully, if they so choose, in the political, economic, social and cultural life of the State.
Article 8
1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.
2. States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for:
(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
(c) Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration;
(e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them.
Do you deny that elements of the rights laid out in each of these articles are being denied, systematically, to white (AKA, of European descent) populations around the world?
I specifically directed this question to you, but all I got in response was crickets chirping. Then you accused me of “side-stepping” because I didn’t respond to a point you made before I joined the thread, which is now longer than the tax code.
And it isn’t as if the preceding quote was easy to miss the first time around.
Then you impugned the motives behind race realism, and I responded:
Short history of “Civil Rights” in America:
“Blacks aren’t as wealthy or successful as whites. The races are equal within the skull, so this is obviously because whites are up to no good, holding blacks down.”
Then a few white guys say, “no, blacks aren’t as successful or wealthy as whites because their aptitudes for success and wealth aren’t as strong as whites’; in short, your premise is wrong.”
Then Obsidian comes along and tells us it’s all about white supremacy!
No. We were accused. That our defense against that accusation doesn’t sit well with you isn’t high on my “to fix” list.
Race realism is a moral duty for white men, because whites stand accused, collectively, of malfeasance, and race realism is exhibit A for the defense. If blacks (or more accurately, the whites and “whites” who champion them) didn’t want this can of worms opened, they shouldn’t have accused us of responsibility for their “failure”.
To which you responded with more cricket-chirping.
We don’t have Asians thrust in our face; Asians aren’t cannon fodder in the culture war against whites the way blacks are. And Asians aren’t given positions they don’t deserve based on their racial origins, blacks are.
Crickets chirping.
Got any evidence that white women are higher in the AA hierarchy than non-whites?
Not that race realists actually DO the Matrix dance, whatever that is.
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See, there you go, flip-flopping back to denial again. Blacks had no hand in slavery? WTF? Where do you think the white man got them?
We can’t even get the blacks in Africa to stop enslaving one another TODAY. There’s a country in sub-Saharan Africa that’s outlawed slavery like 6 times in the last half-century, lol (and it ain’t because they really Really REALLY hate slavery, lol).
Crickets chirping.
Summers was ousted by leftists, because leftists run Harvard and didn’t want him saying the things he said. Had he said similar things about blacks, he’d have bounced when he hit the curb, and sooner too. I mean, you’re acting as though you’ve made some great point with this non-comparision, when all it tells me is that no sitting president of Harvard has said anything similar about blacks, which, if anything, implies that the taboos shielding blacks are stronger than those shielding women (pretty obvious when you see how free (relatively speaking) white people feel to explore sex differences, or criticize feminism; white females are obviously lower in the leftist/mainstream hierarchy than blacks).
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Ahahahahahahaha…ahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaaa! Sorry, my mind wandered a bit there. Some black school kids passed nearby, accusing one another of “acking white.” Please continue.
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I’m not quite sure what trying to say here. Could you clarify?
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Blacks had whitey looking angrily over his shoulder until the ’60s. Then whitey said, “I’ve been very bad to you, go have some fun,” and blacks acted accordingly. The “decline” of black America came about because whitey lost his nerve, not because blacks lost their way.
Crickets chirping.
You do know that the cracker who did that crime came out of prison a rabid racist because he was gang-raped inside by blacks, right? Just curious.
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So your interest in the matter only goes so far as getting race realists to leave blacks alone, then? Just want to be clear here.
Crickets chirping.
You want me to attend to some point you made to someone else before I joined the thread, but you serially ignore my points, even counter-arguments I make against you, and questions I pose to you directly. Why am I not surprised?
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Svigor dam that was nicely laid out. Crickets chirping jesus christ man.
“””””””””””Article 8
1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.
2. States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for:
(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
(c) Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration;
(e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them.””””””””
Amazing. I had to go through all of this in my life.
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Hi Svignor,
I don’t address your points because they are in NO WAY germaine to the issues.
For example, you start out by quoting the UN Charter, when neither I nor anyone else mentioned any such thing. What does it have to do with the United States? Now, if you wanted to argue on the basis of the US Constitution, yea, we can do that-but then again, we’d have to note, that it was guys who looked like you, and not me, who wrote it and implemented it to begin with. Not really strong for your side, hmm?
Next you want to make the case that all in all, the Slave Trade was really a good thing for Black folks. Yes-but, so what? The issue was that it was WRONG, and remember Svignor, it was the USA who first set out to be an exceptional nation. Sure, slavery has always existed-and, btw, and not for nothing, there were plenty of voices in opposition to Slavery, from Frederick Douglass to the UK’s Wilburforce. So, the idea that I or anyone else is somehow trying to graft on 21st century notions on a 19th or further back century practice is patently absurd or grossly intellectually dishonest. Pick your poison.
Next, Svignor actually tries to make the case, with a straight face, that White guys are somehow aggrieved. Oh, really? Ok, so lemme ask you a few quick questions:
With the exception of Barack Obama, who were the remaining (read, ALL) the US Presidents were? Here, let me help you, Sivignor, WHITE MEN.
Captains of Industry? WHITE MEN.
Founders of Universities (even many, if not all of the HBCUs): Yup, you guessed it, WHITE GUYS.
In just about every endeavor in America, today and historically, White Men have the final say as to whether something happens or not. But Svignor would have us believe that White guys are being made to ride the back of the bus.
No wonder those wonderful AmRen confabs are standing room only, hmm, Svignor?
Svignor then ducks and dodges the Summers’ issue, when his own website simply confirms the whole thing-White guys either know deep down they don’t have the wherewithall to keep their own Woman in check, or, that they can’t bring themselves to actually address a much gravr problem than dem dar Darkies. As I asked Andrew E, and I’ll ask you now, Svignor-which is a much tougher nut to crack, Abortion, or (Black) Affirmative Action?
Oh, and let’s not forget Svignor’s attempt to dance in tune to the beat-he says that real differences btw Man and Woman IQs are small, then I ask him about the lopsided nature of Nobel winners, and all of a sudden he makes like Bojangles. Nice.
So, let’s stop all the running around here-if White guys are getting the shaft, its a lot more likely coming from the White Women *giving em the shaft*. Most White people, and I think Svignor would agree with this one, spend as little actual facetime among Black folk. And, let’s not forget-most White guys work in environments where they’ll see far and away more White Women, their open competitors in the marketplace, than they ever will see Black Men.
So, again, while all the huffing and puffing about Black and Brown folk makes White guys like Svignor feel like they’re doing something, the real deal is, that White Women, coupled with the Average White Guy’s arch-nemesis, the SWPL crowd, are the real banes of the AWM’s existence. We all know this.
So do guys like Svignor.
They just don’t have the balls to do anything meaningful about it.
Hmm, Svignor?
O
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Obsimian:
Here are the points I made that you side-stepped:
I specifically directed this question to you, but all I got in response was crickets chirping. Then you accused me of “side-stepping” because I didn’t respond to a point you made before I joined the thread, which is now longer than the tax code.
And it isn’t as if the preceding quote was easy to miss the first time around.
Then you impugned the motives behind race realism, and I responded:
To which you responded with more cricket-chirping.
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You want me to attend to some point you made to someone else before I joined the thread, but you serially ignore my points, even counter-arguments I make against you, and questions I pose to you directly. Why am I not surprised?
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Svignor,
You may quote yourself all you like, but here’s the bottomline:
1. Brown folk, and definitely Black folk, aint goin’ nowhere-we’re here to stay.
2. That shouldn’t be that big a deal because most Whites of whatever political persuasion tend to avoid any contact w/Black and Brown folk (including the owner of this venue I might add). Justified or no, those are the facts.
3. White Men have, and continue, to call virtually all the shots in American Life. As Sailer pointed out to Taylor during their online debate, and which I’ve ben pointing out to Svignor, his fight aint w/Black and Brown folk, but other White folk who show him far and away more open contempt and who actively work to make his life a living hell, everyday.
4. White Women have changed the landscape of America in ways not really possible for Blacks. Again, which is easier to get rid of-Abortion, or Affirmative Action? I think we all know the answer to that one, now don’t we? And, in nearly everyway, White Women pose a much bigger problem for White Males, than the average Black guy.
Conclusion: the problem for Svignor and Co aint Black folks-its White Women and the SWPL crowd, which, to this day, more than 40 years running, White Men like Svignor have failed to meaningfully address.
Comments? Does Svignor deny any of the above points?
O
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Obsimian:
When you taunt someone else for (not) doing, once, what you’re doing over and over contemporaneously, it makes you look like an ass.
What if black folks decide to emigrate to Brazil? They have to run it through you first? That aside…okay. Did I say blacks are going somewhere?
Insofar as they aren’t prohibited from doing so by unjust and illegitimate laws, yes.
More or less, yes, at least in some contexts. At least, if you pretend Jewish men are white men, which they aren’t, at least not in the context germane to this discussion.
And, I’ve agreed with you (caveats above aside), at least three times now. Can we move on to the points where we disagree? Water’s wet and the sky’s blue. That we agree on this is well-established. So what?
I don’t know. I don’t know why I care, either, but who’s keeping track at this point?
In what way? In any event, white men have a compelling and overriding interest in reconciling with white women. They have no compelling interest in reconciling with black guys, or black women.
The problem is white people, period, not just swipples and white women. 99% are clueless when it comes to race. Not just ignorant, but insane/deluded. We’ve agreed on the broad strokes of this already. How does this change anything I’ve written, or obviate any point I’ve made?
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svigor give it a rest man please.
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Svignor,
My point is that, as Sailer pointed out to Taylor, you’re just chasing your tail. Guys like Doug, for example, damn near had his life ruined, not by Black folks, but one of his “own”-his ex White wife. The vast majority of the White Men here are more or less, in the same boat. So, why all the hubbub about Black and Brown folk? Kids, can you say “scapegoat”?
Personally, I’m waiting to see if White Men enmass really have the heart to do what really needs to be done in order to, as Roissy would put it, “bring balance to the Force”. Simply put, you guys are too soft hearted, man. Really. Like I said, you have more to be concerned about some White Women taking your job, than someone who looks like me. That’s a fact.
So, since we basically agree on the fundamentals-how come guys like you aint organizing a major conference or something to address it?
O
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/business/global/23immigrant.html?_r=1&hp
check this out.
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So, since we basically agree on the fundamentals-how come guys like you aint organizing a major conference or something to address it?
What fundamentals do we agree on? I’ve kicked your ass up and down this thread and you’ve retreated to the few areas we’ve agreed.
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Svigor:
“Who commits terrorism when the government is GIVING HIM EVERYTHING HE EVER WANTED?”
That escapes the point. The conditions are ripe for right-wing style extremism. Sure, given that left-wingers feel they have a friend in office in Obama, they are less likely to protest or terrorize, but the fact is that right-wing extremists are more up in arms over the current administration.
we can debate the rationality of their anger all day, but the point is, that anger will surface, and be more dangerous compared to that of the left in the near future.
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Svignor,
You’ve done what? LOL! Go back and re-read my last post and holla back. Looking forward to some straight talk from you.
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Chuck, once again, you have no facts to back up this assertion, only the vague notion that somehow right wing extremism is worse right now than left wing.
Look Chuck, given the facts we have, conditions are ripe for “left wing extremism.” In bad economic times in our country, left wing extremists emerge. When left wing presidents hold office, left extremists emerge.
Chuck, once again, you have no proof to back up the assertion. And neither does DHS.
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Svigor:
“The Trench Coat Mafia is evidence of a vast left wing conspiracy now?”
What’s with the talk of “vast right/left wing conspiracies”? Right wing extremists don’t engage in vast conspiracies. Their real danger lies in the lone wolves that skirt the periphery of white supremecist groups, xenophobic, social issues groups. the nature of terrorism (the successful variety) lends itself to non-vast conspiracies.
Trench Coat Mafia involved 2 guys. Vast? No. Left-wing? How so? These guys weren’t operating from any politically ideological principles. They were nutjobs who wanted to seek revenge on their classmates and get some attention.
“FARC?”
we’re talking domestic terror here. as in U.S. homeland.
“SPLC is a Jewish organization, not a black organization. And they’re scam artists.”
You’re right on both points. SPLC merely points out that there are a greater number of white supremecist, xenophobic, christian identity groups in more recent years. SPLC’s purpose is sketchy, but I’ll trust that they have a decent measure on how many Aryan Brotherhood and KKK chapters exist. It’s just a little more evidence that right-wing extremism may be gaining momentum, which is the point of the DHS report.
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“Right wing extremists don’t engage in vast conspiracies.”
—that is false, too, Chuck. plenty of Klansmen and Birchers were involved in conspiracies in the 60s.
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Svigor:
“HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST”
sure he was a socialist in the sense of his favoring a strong central government, but don’t all dictators favor a strong central government?
a more apt description of Hitler is that he was a Populist with totalitarian aspirations. his best means of gaining power was to capitalize on the breakdown of the Rhineland in the aftermath of WWI as well as the rise of Bolshevism.
As I’ve said before, dictators, whether Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc are pointless to compare to extremist movements in the U.S.
The issue arises because the philosophy of extremists don’t fit very well into the liberal/conservative dichotomy. Tim McVeigh had some ideals associated with conservatives: he was nationalistic, a race purist, for small government, and was a strict constructionist. On the other hand, libertarians, also considered a part of the right are often in favor of open borders, a small government, racial diversity, and are usually strict constructionists as well.
this whole thread centers around the DHS report on right-wing extremism. the term “right-wing” is somewhat arbitrary. many of those considered “right-wing” aren’t necessarily traditional conservatives. the term is merely applied to those race purists and xenophobes. it’s merely semantics.
one thing I’ll say about the DHS reports (and they’re merely operating in the current right/left naming convention) is that the use of “right-wing extremism” was a poor choice. i think someone in DHS apologized for that.
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The left wing loonies, go away.
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