Lex was a ruggedly handsome man, mid-40s, and in shape from near daily yoga and martial arts classes. He was fidgety and frenetically hyperverbal and rarely came up for breath once he got rolling on a story drawn from his illustrious past and present lifestyle. And what stories! He ran a business in the recreation industry which put him in contact with a steady stream of young European girls. This contact often led to intimacy. Many patrons of his business would regale you with tales of witnessing Lex whisk some new 22 year old Polish hottie back to his quarters for a night of debauchery, only to do it again the next night with a new girl.
The four of us sat around the restaurant table swapping war stories from the field. Lex’s tomcat career was long and fruitful, but an undercurrent of melancholic nostalgia buttressed the impression that he had let one or two “quality girls” get away. He seemed, in a way, a traitor to his contentment — a victim of chance and his compulsions. Lex made a passing comment, barely noticed in the cavalcade of sex stories if you weren’t paying attention, that “it was getting harder out there” and he needed to adjust accordingly.

Zeets admired the unapologetically masculine lifestyle Lex chose for himself. Marriage, kids, social approval, clock punching and clock ticking? Fuck that noise. Lex lived on his own terms, in hock to no one but himself. Zeets playfully encouraged Lex’s telling of his numerous conquests and the game he runs on women in the big city. Lex was especially fond of “fruit stand game” where he would casually sidle up to a girl (Lex banged chicks of all ages, as long as they were younger than him) and guess what meal she was going to cook judging by the veggies she had in her basket. Since Lex was a competent cook, this banter would often segue into him inviting her over for dinner.
Trent, the fourth and youngest man at the table, also approved of Lex’s playboy adventures, but his approval carried more weight. Trent was a one woman kind of guy, always strapped into a long term relationship that lasted for years and eager to get back into one on the rare occasions he was single. Trent was no herb; he had the tools and the skill to seduce many women if he wanted, so his relatively monogamous existence was all the more intriguing.
Outside of the restaurant we parted, and Lex declined our offer to go to the bar for drinks and carousing. He was on his way back home to make a thousand calls. Lex could hardly focus on anything for long — his ADHD was legendary — and he barely stopped moving as we bro-slapped hands goodbye.
Around 1AM back at Trent’s apartment, as we were about to step inside, an older man, late 40s or early 50s, with a paunch and one shirttail of his light blue button down poking out of his jeans, greeted us with a weary but friendly expression. He introduced himself as Arnie and said he had been Trent’s neighbor for five years. Trent nodded his head knowingly as if he recognized Arnie, but later told us in private he had never seen the guy. He probably had, but it didn’t register.
Arnie was an affable bloke, and we stood outside in the mild air leaning against stair railings under the diffuse glow of the city lights for fifteen minutes talking guy stuff. We learned Arnie was never married, lived alone, and worked in a blue collar hands-on job, and that it was clear to me that he possessed the basic intelligence to work white collar if he so chose. He had lived in the city his whole life and his apartment was rent controlled. There was no chance he would leave, despite the landlord working hard to force out his tenants by passively ignoring repairs that needed to be done.
Arnie relished our company, that much I could tell. He asked us if we were planning to go out somewhere again that night. Trent mentioned the bar where he bartended and Arnie made a frown, explaining that that bar was too “hoity-toity” for him; he preferred down to earth establishments hanging “with the boys”. We laughed, because Trent’s bar is not really snobby, especially not for this city. We began turning our heads and shoulders toward the door and told Arnie we were going to call it a night. Arnie looked disappointed. “Well, another time, then.” He nodded at Trent. “Maybe I’ll meet you over at your bar sometime.” There was a hint of overeagerness in his gravelly voice.
As we stepped inside to leave Arnie behind in the streetlight-misted night, the door swung behind us with a slow creak. When it thumped closed, it echoed heavily in my ears.

Nice writing. Sounds like something out of a book…
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“The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation.”
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That pic reminded me of this
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first…
This was a surprisingly melancholy post. Started out in usual form, but … I guess the point is that we are supposed to wonder about Arnie, what his backstory is, etc. If his neighbor doesn’t even know who he is, he probably is isolated (esp. if a blue-collar guy in DC) and lonely. You guys had the chance to reach out to him, but declined to do so. Kind of like Parsifal, failing to ask the question of why the king is suffering. On the other hand, maybe you judged that, despite his affability and smarts, he just wasn’t meant to hang with your crowd – too old, set in his ways, whatever.
Couple other questions in this one:
— Did this happen in DC? Because I don’t know of too many rent-controlled places (other than public housing) within walking distance of bars where our boys would hang out. But in NYC, different story.
— What’s with the pirate picture? Is this a visual homage to the recent Somalia rescue, silent and unconnected to the rest of the post? Or is it some sort of homoerotic commentary on the male bonding described? (At least a few of these dudes are clearly light in the loafers.)
— And a request: Roissy, tell us more about Lex – share some stories, at least…! Recreation industry indeed. To be continued, I hope.
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Hmm. I was first when I started writing, but was beaten to the punch by men pithier than myself. Not that it matters, of course. 11minutes, that picture is less gay that the pirate one but WAY geekier. Also I noticed that a face is blurred out, probably indicating it’s someone Roissy doesn’t want to be identified. Who could it be …?
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The point being that it’s us, not situations, that control our destinies. Remaining single can either be the road to loserdom or freedom, depending on what you do with it.
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Off-topic:
Peter, you would be shocked at the propaganda being targeted at women nowadays:
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If i would be stranded on a desert island with one of these pirates i would choose the guy on the left, the guy next to him looks nice to. 🙂
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Sorry, Vika – the dude on the left is pretty clearly goluboi. In fact, they all kind of have that vibe about them. You are better off chasing after Roissy or his posse…
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I’ll throw out a guess…
Zeets is the blurred out one. He was in NYC for some sort of play? Trent and Lex are both in that picture too. Roissy tagged along to support his friend and later went out for dinner with Zeets and some of his friends?
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If a man sits at home, wasting his time, instead of chasing women and laments it in his old age it is a tragedy.
If a man sits at home and develops his talents and passion, instead of chasing women, it is a victory.
I suspect Arnie is the former.
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“Zeets is the blurred out one.”
Is VK…well, the black one?
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No wonder Somali pirates have become so emboldened lately. They must have taken a look at our pirates and figured they’re a bunch of queers.
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Ok,
The 3 guys on top right in a row, look awkward with their grins..
The front row gives off a nicer vibe then the back row.
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The picture looks like Dupont Circle’s production of The Pirates of Penzance.
Terrible.
– MPM
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omg, Roissy = Lex
and he got out-alphaed by Arnie, who is either
Chic Noir or kassyk
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That photo is so… sausage. Those fellas just got done kicking Civil War reenactors’ asses?
Chic Noir – quick, start talking about shoes and fashion.
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I believe I crossed paths with VK one night and, although there is a resemblance to the black dude in this pic, and it’s hard to tell with the baggy coat, in my memory he is *way* bigger and buffer than any of these guys.
Good line about the Pirates of Penzance. reminded me about a good Jon Stewart joke last week: since Iowa allowed gay marriage, in exchange now Broadway theater will now run on ethanol. Ha!
We should send Johnny Depp out to the Sea of Aden in full Disney drag and see how long it taks for him to be a**-raped and disembowled. He also has way more loot than any damn container ship.
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It’s fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A…..
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Man, this was a deep one,
expect a phone call.
AND HELL TO THE NO, I’M NOT IN THAT FUCKING PICK!!!
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Its a sad and lonely world…..when your old.
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If the black guy was bigger and buffer then any of the guys, then this has to be a picture of the annual masquerade party of the Ukrainian basketball team. (those guys are tall!!)
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Lex made a passing comment, barely noticed in the cavalcade of sex stories if you weren’t paying attention, that “it was getting harder out there” and he needed to adjust accordingly.
It really does get harder to get young girls as you get older, even if you are good looking and in shape. But this mostly applies only to the hottest girls. If a girl is less than perfect, age is the first thing to go on her list of criteria. For example, it is often ridiculously easy to get dates with non-fat 19 year old 6s.
I’ve also noted that when running solid game on a younger hottie her less attractive friends will often be your biggest cheerleaders. They will often have this goofy grin on their face just for being in your presence. On the other hand, her more attractive friends are much more likely to be blockers. Never underestimate the jealousy of a young hottie when her friend is getting hit on.
But let me say it again, for girls, when evaluating their option, age is the first criterion to go.
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Thursday–
What kind of age gap you talking?
In my experience there isn’t much resistance at all until you get beyond 10 years. Then it does go up quite quickly in the manner you’ve described.
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Vika – the black guy we were talking about was VK, who just confirmed that he is not in the f**king picture. Also, I thought the Lithuanians were always the basketball players in the CCCP. Ukrainians can be tall too, but Lithuania still has the best basketball skills in that part of the world. However, event Turkmenistan’s basketball team could kick these guys’ a**es.
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Yes, hrm, Ukrainian basketball, close to non existent in achievements, but nevertheless, tall people there. Im tall but i felt like a dwarf when i was in Ukraine.
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I lived in Kiev for 2 years and Moscow for 2 years. Didn’t notice much of a difference in height. Both great places in their different ways. I used to live close enough to the stadium that I could hear the crowd cheering at Dinamo Kiev games.
Sama otkuda?
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Off-topic:
Peter, you would be shocked at the propaganda being targeted at women nowadays:
I give up. It’s hopeless. The pedophiles have won.
Peter
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The stuff of literature. These things are a pain no matter what side of the fence you’re on.
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Dam giving up. Jesus H Christ on a crutch.
Just like everyone else.
Growing up is not about giving up on dreams but making dreams reaility.
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From Hungary,
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Oh shit alright I am gonna put that one in my sheet. Qoute myself from now on. lol
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“or”ul”ok hogy megismerhetem.
in DC or somewhere else?
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One thing to keep in mind is that both Lex and Arnie are hardly typical of 40+ men. Most men in that age category are married, so for that reason alone these two are outliers.
Regarding Ukranians and Lithuanians and height, while I don’t know much about Ukrainians I grew up in a city that had a fair number of Lithuanians, and most of them indeed were on the tall side. Most adult men seemed to be at least six feet tall. And just about all of them had blonde or otherwise light hair, anything darker than a medium brown was distinctly rare.
Peter
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Hey Roissy how does this stuff fit in with your theories?
http://www.livescience.com/health/090416-sos-fat.html
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Lex’s problem was that he did not move when he had the chance, and is now in desperation mode. He’s a few years from being Arnie. Even for a guy like him it gets harder, much harder, and he’s a few years away from “dirty old perv” status. No women for him, soon.
Arnie’s problem was that lacking self-confidence and well, the innate ability of a Lex to play a-hole and win women, he’s lonely and desperate.
Both are likely to lead very unhappy, lonely, and angry lives.
Somewhat related: China has something like 30 million more boys than girls under age 20. Both China (in it’s more raw form) and the US (in it’s yuppified form) are likely to be laboratory experiments in what not to do with men and women and how they relate.
Meanwhile, Osama bin Laden has 22 kids already, possibly more. Following his father’s footsteps (who had 57).
Moral: only a lucky few men with innate game AND the sense to know when to collect their winnings, so to speak, and retire from it can be relatively happy. All else, players and non-players alike, are destined to be alone, lonely, and massive (collectively) social problems.
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Whiskey makes a very point on this one, and stands as to why I don’t advocate polygamy as public policy, because I understand that most Men simply don’t have what it takes to do that well.
I a reminded of the classic 1950s film Marty as I read Roissy’s missive. Very interesting.
Hmm.
O
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“Somewhat related: China has something like 30 million more boys than girls under age 20. Both China (in it’s more raw form) and the US (in it’s yuppified form) are likely to be laboratory experiments in what not to do with men and women and how they relate.
More troops for the PLA. And they’ll use them too and not get too worked up about casualties.
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@whiskey
Moral: only a lucky few men with innate game AND the sense to know when to collect their winnings, so to speak, and retire from it can be relatively happy.
You are not suggesting marriage once a man’s golden thirties are over, are you?
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grim:
Hey Roissy how does this stuff fit in with your theories?
selection bias. this “study” does nothing to disprove the raft of studies, and personal observation, that 95%+ of men prefer women in the 17-23 BMI range.
whiskey:
Both are likely to lead very unhappy, lonely, and angry lives.
whiskey, lex is not unhappy, or at least it’s impossible to tell from his behavior. he’s a bit manic and one suspects nurses a lurking nostalgia for a couple of women from his past, but otherwise he is a very upbeat and positive guy. most men his age would be ecstatic to be in his position of banging a parade of good-looking women in their 20s and 30s on the regular.
now lex is no dummy, either. i think he understands that father time claims us all, and maybe he feels that the poon parade is not worth the loss of that “one girl” from his past that he let slip through his fingers because of his allergic reaction to marriage and monogamy.
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Moral: only a lucky few men with innate game AND the sense to know when to collect their winnings, so to speak, and retire from it can be relatively happy. All else, players and non-players alike, are destined to be alone, lonely, and massive (collectively) social problems.
I actually agree with whiskey here. Too many people keep trying to ride out their winnings, hoping to make a lucky strike, men and women alike.
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It really does get harder to get young girls as you get older, even if you are good looking and in shape.
Good looks and being in shape are signals of good underlying health. However, lots of olderish guys waste these by trying to appear too cool and calm. You really do have to turn up the energy level when you’re gaming girls in their early 20s or younger.
Their biggest reservation about dating an older guy is that he won’t have as much energy as she does, that he’ll just want to hang around, etc. Young girls can’t sit still, and if their bf can’t keep up with that, they’ll grow bored very quickly.
So, the guy needs to find a way to showcase how full of energy he is — dancing, playing sports, fronting a rock band, etc. They have to see you doing it, though — just looking as though you play sports or guitar isn’t enough. They are drawn to guys who show lots of vigor.
Lex and Tom Cruise are two examples of 40-something guys who, due to their high energy level, don’t come off as hyperactive frat boys but as men whose drive cannot be conquered.
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Lex is a expat loving his ego more then anything, he loves himself and when he meets a girl, he get a crush on himself.. there is something sad about him, just hints but something, maybe its his age and that he is not aging gracefully, soon, if not already it will only be his money that will do for young polish girls..
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agnostic, that’s an insightful observation. lex is a high energy man. and arnie… not so much, if fifteen minutes is long enough to gauge a man’s energy level.
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No. I am told the picture is The Fire Island Cabana Club’s annual production of The Corn is Green.
Any references to things anal are purely speculative
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lol..check out the token black guy
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Klitschko, Ukrainian boxer, i think he is originally Kazakh, but im not sure,
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maurice
“or”ul”ok hogy megismerhetem.””
Én is tégedet!
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You really do have to turn up the energy level when you’re gaming girls in their early 20s or younger.
Nah, I had this discussion once with Tenmagnet. High energy guys tend to be thought of as “the fun guy at the bar.” It’s easy to get a reaction out of a girl. Of course, don’t try to be James Bond at the club either. As I said, the biggest problem with younger girls is fending off blocking from their hot, jealous friends.
The other bad species of blockers are older women out with their younger more attractive friends. Can you say bitter? Vicious.
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I have to say that the views, stories and other assorted BS on this blog never ceases to amuse me.
Look people.. You are starting with the right idea- The west is a feminised society in decline, and there are no two opinions about that.
The part that amuses me is that you have no clue about fixing the problem. The best that most of you can do is to mumble something about game, white power, race, age, fitness, scores, liberteriansm and other assorted c**p.
You do not seem to realize a few nonobvious issues-
1] If you believe that you can bring back your mythical golden age, you are deluding yourself. There was never a golden age. It is just that peoples memories are selective. Life in the old days was way more s**ttier than you can imagine. If you do not believe me, I suggest you look at old newspapers and photos, rather than films, novels and stories.
2] By believing that game will get you women forever, you are setting yourself for a big dissapointment. Women do not care about game, they just want to f**k someone they can brag about and use to put down other women. Even if you get in their pants, you are just a tool in their game. If you lose whatever makes you appealing, they will move on.
3] You are validating your worth through a woman’s attention. Ironic.. considering that most of you pretend to be alpha. You are doing precisely what women do to feel good about themselves. If you are alpha, would you really require external affirmation?
4] Most of you think you know something, but have you ever tried to think about why you are sure? What makes your belief any more real than a termite who thinks that it understands the workings of the universe? Really.. what makes you think..
5] Most of you talk about reproductive success. Does it matter in our society? Have you ever talked to lonely people in nursing homes. Many of them did everything right, but now they are just rotting away there.. wanting human company.. and the kids who they raised are ‘too busy’ to give a dam.
The sad reality is that a combination of money and doing what you like is the only thing that will ever bring you any happiness. Women and kids will not.
Money can also buy you all the ass you want, without any of the strings.
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Good story. Lex was an alpha. Arnie was a lesser beta from the sounds of it.
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thursday:
Nah, I had this discussion once with Tenmagnet. High energy guys tend to be thought of as “the fun guy at the bar.”
this is definitely true for guys in their 20s, but for older men their greater risk is not that women will see them as the fun goofy guy at the bar, but as the mopey tired old dude. therefore, older guys need to take some steps to counter that presumption.
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Lucifer you are one hardcore motherfuck but you are still just the devil. Whereas a man can be a god on this planet.
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my father:
You do not seem to realize a few nonobvious issues-
1] If you believe that you can bring back your mythical golden age, you are deluding yourself. There was never a golden age. It is just that peoples memories are selective. Life in the old days was way more s**ttier than you can imagine. If you do not believe me, I suggest you look at old newspapers and photos, rather than films, novels and stories.
it is not out of the realm of possibility that 1950s america really was better in a number of important metrics, on average, than 2009 america.
it is also not inconceivable that a country really can take a turn for the worse compared to its past.
2] By believing that game will get you women forever, you are setting yourself for a big dissapointment. Women do not care about game, they just want to f**k someone they can brag about and use to put down other women. Even if you get in their pants, you are just a tool in their game. If you lose whatever makes you appealing, they will move on.
you write like someone who has never had a woman fall in love with him.
my father, for all your greatness, and with all due disrespect for your wondrous dirty deeds, love was never your strong suit.
3] You are validating your worth through a woman’s attention. Ironic.. considering that most of you pretend to be alpha. You are doing precisely what women do to feel good about themselves. If you are alpha, would you really require external affirmation?
we all have to bend to the will of the god of biomechanics, even natural alphas, whether they realize they are bending or not.
4] Most of you think you know something, but have you ever tried to think about why you are sure? What makes your belief any more real than a termite who thinks that it understands the workings of the universe? Really.. what makes you think..
electrical synaptic connections.
5] Most of you talk about reproductive success. Does it matter in our society? Have you ever talked to lonely people in nursing homes. Many of them did everything right, but now they are just rotting away there.. wanting human company.. and the kids who they raised are ‘too busy’ to give a dam.
yes, old age is a horror. no one here is claiming otherwise, and if they do, i will be sure to correct them with the most sadistic delight.
The sad reality is that a combination of money and doing what you like is the only thing that will ever bring you any happiness. Women and kids will not.
you’re half right.
Money can also buy you all the ass you want, without any of the strings.
the best ass is the ass freely given.
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Good thoughts on money though. It opens doors. Imagine making a whore into your whore though. Talk about a challenge he he he.
“”””””””””””Lucifer
4] Most of you think you know something, but have you ever tried to think about why you are sure? What makes your belief any more real than a termite who thinks that it understands the workings of the universe? Really.. what makes you think..””””””””””””””
Well of course a logical person would think that leaving was the easiest out. Why stay what does any of this crap on earth matter long term. It doesn’t. Kind of like playing chess. It doesn’t really matter but it passes time. It matters how you pass the time here. Not really any great achievement. But back to chess. You still have to do it within certain rules that help you play the game. Otherwise the other guy could just say his pieces are all queens and win the game but again what the fuck does it matter. It does matter between the two of you playing for that time in that version of the universe that both of you played the game and you beat that motherfucker by the rules.
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Gunslingergregi,
I am not opposed to f**king women for sport or using game.
I do have an issue with focusing on game to the exclusion of other things. It is your belief in yourself that makes you happy, and it has to come from within.. not from others.
Who cares if some guy you know f**ked a hot chick last night as long you can buy the ass you like tonight. Get it?
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Roissy,
Some women are just better actors than others, sometimes they even fool themselves..
“you write like someone who has never had a woman fall in love with him.”
What you consider to be ‘reality’ is more bendable and breakable than you seem to realize. You will.. eventually.
“we all have to bend to the will of the god of biomechanics, even natural alphas, whether they realize they are bending or not.”
PS: If you have seen the ‘Matrix’ you probably remember the part about morpheus saying that agents though possessing superhuman attributes still follow the rules programmed in the matrix. Think about why I mentioned that.. and why belief in rules (even hidden ones) affects your version of ‘reality’.
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Yea but you can always buy ass but you cannot always have a woman who will go and jump off a cliff just because you want her to. These things take effort which makes it worthwhile. Yea I think you see here on this blog that it is not all about gaming woman. It is about life and how to create the rules you follow in it to measure yourself as a winner to your own ideals. Belief in yourself comes through competition or going through things that make you stronger. Having a value system in place that can test your metal vs the world. If you can beat these tests then you build trust in yourself.
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By “energy level,” I don’t mean turbo-charged emotional energy when talking to girls, although even here it’s better to appear more full of rather than drained of energy.
I mean showing a high level of *physical* energy: playing a game of basketball, dancing non-stop, rocking out on open mic night, etc.
You will assuredly not keep a PYT long-term if she thinks you don’t have a high enough energy to keep up with her.
“omigod hayley, my bf like never wants to go do anything. i mean, it’s getting really frustrating…”
It’s the same with women — after 25 or so, they just have a lot less physical energy, regardless of how emotionally charged they may appear. That lack of energy, by itself, is a crippling turn-off. We want a female that can fuck all night.
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“””””””””””””””””5] Most of you talk about reproductive success. Does it matter in our society? Have you ever talked to lonely people in nursing homes. Many of them did everything right, but now they are just rotting away there.. wanting human company.. and the kids who they raised are ‘too busy’ to give a dam.””””””””””””””””
P.S. If I have 100 kids some of those kids will take care of me in old age also some of my woman will as well. Just got to play the odds on numbers. The odds may also be that one of those kids will get an idea to make daddy kick the bucket early. I mean they will be my kids. That won’t matter either.
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I agree with some things Lucifer said, mainly about his earlier points regarding race and so on. To those whom it would apply, take heed.
But I would respectfully disagree on the money/Women issue. Although I don’t deny that it is certainly possible to buy pussy, and lots of it, my personal view falls more in line with Roissy’s, to the extent that at the very least, I’ve been fortunate enough in life not to have to pay for pussy outright. Now, if one factors outings, dates and the like, fair enough, although my two current ladies are very spendthrifty, and tend to want to stay home and fuck, rather than going out and flossing. Lucky me. 😉
As for Roissy’s point about old age, well, I respectfully disagree, and offer as proof the Men of my family, all of whom got married or heavily involved with Women in their latter 30s-early 40s onward. My Dad married by Mom when he was about 36 or so, and she was 18. All of my uncles had similar experiences, one of whom in particular, Uncle Roscoe, would put my track record to bed, as a Man of at least 80. In fact, he assigned his Wives and Side Women by number: Number One Wife, Number Two Wife, etc. LOL! He was a hoot. He took much pride in being known as a Dirty Old Man, and the young chippies loved him. Being a Deacon in the Church definitely has its perks.
As is said on Jay-Z’s Black Album, all things must at some point, all things must conclude, for that is the Way of Things; but until the lights totally fade to black, I for one intend to have as good a time as I can-and if genetics and past history have anything to say about it, I’ve only just begun to fuck.
Y’all holla back
O
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“””””””””Lucifer,
PS: If you have seen the ‘Matrix’ you probably remember the part about morpheus saying that agents though possessing superhuman attributes still follow the rules programmed in the matrix. Think about why I mentioned that.. and why belief in rules (even hidden ones) affects your version of ‘reality’.””””””””””””
Again though the chess pieces. Rules that everyone lives in. This is the world. How do you measure success or your inner self vs others. Unless you truly think yourself a god above all rules but even gods are judged on this planet by the rules of man. Even gods can fall by crucifiction. You can still follow rules and do extraordinary things. The first guy to climb everest. The first guy to come up with a nuclear bomb those people still lived by soem sort of rules in their lives but they still accomplished extraordinary things.
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thursday/roissy:
Re older men and younger women – Savoy just had an e-mail about that. The idea was that older guys trying to ape the young guys in their 20s just look ridiculous – the girls will always prefer the real thing. So go along the natural grain: be experienced, worldly, well-traveled, socially prominent, more mature, richer, etc. In other words, age-appropriate – but adapted to the psychological needs of the younger women, with Game still all the way turned on.
I kind of agree with this. Not sure if this is what you all meant by “high energy” , but I think it’s sort of an obvious point not to be a passive lump of sh*t when out gaming women.
Also, the older-man persona is easier to capture and lead their imaginations and feelings. More like a daddy figure than a kid brother.
Thoughts?
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Biktopia –
you didn’t say if you are in DC. What, it’s a secret?
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No secret, Im in Budapest, never been in DC.
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Ironically a real mans power on this earth can beat the devil and god.
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A real man can destroy or remake the world the devil and god can’t. The devil or god can’t because they have more limits.
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Maurice,
I can’t speak on Savoy’s writings, but I can say, coming from a long line of Men who did their best fucking from late 30s til they died, that Women dig Men who hav experience in life, and definitely extends to the bedroom. I also agree that it isn’t a good idea to try to look like you’re 25 if you’re 50 or something, be age appropriate, but you can stil be smooth. One of my mentors had young gals crawling over them, and he was in his late 50s. He was just a real smooth cat, dressed dapper, always had jazz records under his arm, etc.
The great thing about being a Man is that if you take care of yourself you can fuck for life, and Women dig older guys. Watch your weight, don’t drink, smoke or do drugs, get your rest, etc. Basic things like that.
O
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I can see where older guys might very well need to be more energetic to span the age divide. While it may be somewhat bad if they overdo it a little, there is a much greater chance of them not seeming energetic enough compared to them seeming to energetic.
Come to think about it, I’m only really energetic when I’m focused on something, hard-core. And I managed to mostly-accidentally interest the best girl I’ve ever attracted during one of those times.
This energy-level idea deserves some thinking.
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Please don’t tell me you’re writing a book.
You should stay away from this story-teller style of writing. It isn’t you.
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You should stay away from this story-teller style of writing. It isn’t you.
Agreed. This was a nice post, but, Roissy, beyond short anecdotes, narrative is not your strength. Analysis is. Don’t try to write a novel.
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Comment,
I think its fair to say that Women are attracted to a rather high energy Man in general, regardless of age, but yea, I can definitely see your point about the added importance of an older Man needing to be seen as having an energy level higher than is the norm for a Man his age. Like I said, all the Men in my family qualify for this, as they were all very hard workers, etc. None of em came off as sad sacks in any way.
O
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i didn’t like the narrative style of this post, either, but then, i wrote the post in 15 minutes, so i forgive myself the lapse.
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Lapse? I’m all for writing style exploration. Like so many other important things, you don’t know what’s you or what you like until you thoroughly explore it, trying it out in different ways in different scenarios…
I’m reluctant to comment on the subject of the actual post. I can’t say why as I can’t pinpoint the reason(s).
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Grim: The figures we need to find are how common these FAs are. For instance, as common as pedos?
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Obsidian:
Note that Lex is in 40s. From my observation, if you keep in shape, it is really only once you reach 40 that you start to have noticable problems getting younger girls attracted to you. Guys in their 30s don’t have that much of a problem.
Also, assuming they stay in shape, black people tend to age better than white people. Black skin, for one, is much more resistant to sun damage. So, a fit black guy will usually keep more of his youthful appearance than a white guy.
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“””””””””””Trent, the fourth and youngest man at the table, also approved of Lex’s playboy adventures, but his approval carried more weight. Trent was a one woman kind of guy, always strapped into a long term relationship that lasted for years and eager to get back into one on the rare occasions he was single. Trent was no herb; he had the tools and the skill to seduce many women if he wanted, so his relatively monogamous existence was all the more intriguing.”””””””
It probably helps in your younger days to be monogomous so that you don’t waste reasources that you could use to build up your future on many different woman. Unless those different woman are adding to your future resources.
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thursday why whyyyyyyy…….
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biktop get the name right you live in bootyfest.
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Roissy, will you ever write a book?
Will it be about women,pickup,pickup stories, or all together?
We the audience must know.
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Gunslinger: “It probably helps in your younger days to be monogomous so that you don’t waste reasources that you could use to build up your future on many different woman.”
I dunno; as long as you live cheap, life is pretty soft. An early LTR can really screw up your prospects for the future, especially if there are kids involved, or if it interferes with career.
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Some best moments in life happen when the mind lapses.
Pupu is looking forward to her own profound 15 minute lapse.
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Thursday,
Good points, but I’d just like to followup w/a few things:
I think a lot of White guys can do a number of things to help themselves in the Ladies Dept, some of which Roissy has spoken to, like getting clothes that have a proper fit, smelling good (Obsidian wears Obsession), etc. One of the things I’ve been very pleased to see in more recent years is some of my White brothers following our lead in rocking the Bald Head-hey let’s face it, some of y’all get the male pattern baldness thing happening rather early on, and I’ve always been of the view, that if that happens, fuck it, just shave it all off. That’s what I really liked about the book The Game, where Mystery says to Style, going bald isn’t a choice, but shaving your head clean IS. And look at him, the Women LOVE THAT SHIT. Let me tell you, Telly Savalas and Yul Brenner got mucho chocha on the strenght of the Mr. Clean looks, man. Do not sleep on it, because it triggers in the Female Hindbrain the Phallic symbol…and that’s some powerful stuff.
Now, some of you White guys like to have a couple at the bar or whatever. Of course, Obsidian partakes not of the Wine & Spirits, but hey, if you gotta have a taste, do just that-have a *taste*-nurse a beer or hard drink-ONE-for the night. A lot of guys use ther drinks more for props anyway, holding it near the waist, sometimes gesturing with it when talking etc. This will help your Staying Power, and also will keep your middle from lookin like the Michelin Man.
That’s another thing too, I’ve found that Women don’t really go in for that super buff look, six pack abs, etc-from what I’ve gathered, Women tend to associate that w/Gay Male culture. What they like is a well porportioned Man, so its important not to be carrying around a spare tire. Really simple man, just be sure that you can see yur belt buckle when you get suited up. If you can see, you’re cool, if not, you got something to address forthwith.
If you’re White, you know you can’t hang out in the Sun all the time w/o looking like a Reptellian, so don’t go there, keep your sun exposure to the minimum. While some Women like the Sam Elliot look, that’s more of an acquired taste, so proceed with caution.
White fellas need help in the shoes department too. I’ve found that often, they’ll have on a nuce suit, and *beatdown* shoes. Uh uh, Women like guys who pay attention to little things like that. Get some nice square fronts w/a nice heel on em, especially if you’re a bit vertically challenged. Keep em shiny, Women love Shiny Shit, make like you’re in the Military, you’re shoes always look good.
O
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Roissy, will you ever write a book?
Will it be about women,pickup,pickup stories, or all together?
a book is in the works. it will be a literary endeavor, not a how-to pickup guide. that is all i will say for now.
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British femmeboy (he’d consider that a compliment) working for a phone psychic line realizes that calls are coming from the Other Woman, advises her to dump the Alpha because he is “stringing her along” http://afemanistview.blogspot.com
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“””””””””Lupo
Gunslinger: “It probably helps in your younger days to be monogomous so that you don’t waste reasources that you could use to build up your future on many different woman.”
I dunno; as long as you live cheap, life is pretty soft. An early LTR can really screw up your prospects for the future, especially if there are kids involved, or if it interferes with career.””””””””””””””””””
When I was married in army I went to school for pharm saved like 8 k in 5 months was tight. I went to clubs but no need to actually do anything or buy car or buy house. Then the wife came and wouldn’t leave or work. Yea you might be right. If she would have worked though. I still think perfect plan is you save at least two k per month. You make two k per month. From 22 to 30 save. You have 200k at 30. Puts you in same ballpark as some guy working at goldman (the millionaires club) Then take that shit and invest. (friend of a friend worked at something like that and had 200k at 32 he also had obligatory russian girlfriend) Cream of crop and only 200k average person can match that if the planets align and you get a woman who is with the program from the beginning and does not lie.
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Gunny–
You’re still holding I presume. Stock or options? Nervous?
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I’d buy roissy’s book. I bought Strauss’ “Emergency” and enjoyed it.
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Dam I had it all worked out at 21 this is bullshit lol
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@ Mark
I didn’t like emergency, neil was paranoid as hell. Also you can tell the book was edited alot.You could see the stiches in the book. It didn’t fall as good as the way “The Game” was written. I did however, enjoy all the comic strip tips on survival.
Especially the credit card knife.(I Live in the city)
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Stock citi and not all in or on margin like before when I got completely taken to cleaners. We shall see have sell in at 4.5 then out. Then I’m rich beeeaattchhh. Well not really rich but attained my past dream again of having some pussy and be able to play video games all day. I do have new dreams though so hey got to always find something to keep it rollin.
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Yea don’t know why I went on margin before got greedy and greed is actually a bad thing as I find out living life. Also making fun of things. I made fun of people who lost money on margin like how the fuck could they be so greedy. Then I proceeded to do the same dam thing. Irony can be a bitch.
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Obsidian, I just read your post and its true.
I just started shaving my head about 2 months ago. (I was thinning in both of my crown areas.) and I must say once you start you dont stop. Also I have seen an increase in women responding to it.
Caressing my scalp with their soothing velvety hands.
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schoolboy–
I’ve had a shaved head for years. As soon as I started to go big patch of bald, or well six months later I guess, I went shaved head.
It’s definitely a macho statement and perceived as such.
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I liked the Narative style – it makes you think about Arnies Backstory more and brings in the moral of the story in a more subtle way….that being
….Alone with Game is alot better that Alone without Game…..
After a while guys like Arnie miss out on male company as well as female company and after about 40yoa can you ever pull out or is it just one long downward slide.?
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Something that’s lurking here is that after about 40 your wider world status (not just so in group clique or gang status) and income start mattering a whole lot more to women. Or perhaps it’s that after about thirty (or maybe 27 often times) those things start to matter a whole lot more to women.
Don’t get me wrong. A high earning cubical schlub who’s beaten down at work every day and yes man’s his way through the day at works is still going to have a lot wrong about him from most women’s point of view. But so too will the RooshV’s of the world when they’re that age, if their book sales haven’t really taken off, and they haven’t bought their own place, etc.
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Dougjin, what shaving gel/cream/oil do you use?
I use Edge’s Gel the aloe vera one.Gel for me feels better, but for some reason the hairs on the back of my head are harder to shave off right. The top and sides come off smooth, but sometimes in the back I still get some small stubble.
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Age Gap :
Half plus 7 works just fine as a lower bound. The mentioned 10-year gap is merely what the half plus seven rule comes to when the man is in his mid-30s (prime).
But a man who is 50 is not limited to women who are 40. No. He can go all the way down to 32 without pushing it.
In attractiveness, women age twice as fast as men (despite the fact that women live longer than men).
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schoolboy–
I use an old school badger’s hair shaving brush, and regular old soap in a soap dish.
It’s mostly about hot water on a section of your head at a time, most easily by hot wash cloth, to get the hairs to stand up and the pores to relax, then the hotly lathered soap, and then a really sharp razor.
I get about three days out of a Mach3 turbo blade, usually. I buy them in bulk, about a year’s worth, grey market off ebay. (Got to be careful with eBay these days. The good old days there are gone.) The cost diff, even though half or less, isn’t worth spit to me, but I enjoy being frugal about such things. I also enjoy having a ready supply I don’t have to think about for a long time.
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Don’t forget that assuming:
1) Roissy wants to publish a book under his real name (which may not be the case), and
2) He wants this blog to remain strictly pseudonymous (a necessity as long as he needs to keep a day job),
then he won’t be able to mention the book on this blog.
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Tood–
Men typically go UP in attractiveness to women until about 35 if they don’t put on weight in the process. They then typically decline VERY slowly for the next ten years, again if they keep the weight off. After 45 most men do decline a bit more steeply, but nothing like women do at the same age. It’s not until after 55 or 60 that a lot of men decline badly. And then some still don’t TOO badly until late 60s.
Women in contrast really decline quickly beginning about 30, accelerating after 35, and getting bad after 40. Very few women look hot between 45 and 60, whereas a whole lot of men do, at least to women in their 30s.
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“In attractiveness, women age twice as fast as men (despite the fact that women live longer than men).”
So are 80 year old women and 160 year old men equal in attractiveness?
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Thing about Roosh he didn’t market the book full out. I offered the dude loot to help him out. “Think” it takes 15 dollars to advertise on roosh’s site. Now take 10k divide by 15 comes to 666 (interesting number) of those blogs could be advertised on for 10k for a month. Think about that. Adjust fire as you go keep sites with sales drop those without.
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Even a man of 60 has no problem dating women 40-45.
Of course, those women are over the hill in attractiveness too. But the point is, a man with Game need never be lonely or with Warpigs, no matter how old.
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Dougjinn, I dont use Mach3. Just the headblade. Its working out nicely for me. Nonetheless thanks for the advice, i’ll prolly shave in a sauna from now on.
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Only need to average 1 sale per site per month to break even.
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I’ll let you all know if this works it is my second ten k project. Broken down into 8ths to last 8 months for certain. Trial phase.
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Gunny–
You wacko. But yeah you’re an interesting and maybe inspired wacko, hard to tell. Do you get written contracts? You’re nuts in our culture if you don’t.
You’d get 90% of the effect of a written contract if you just wrote out freestyle what your agreement was with your investee, as you would with a fully lawyered up obnoxious 30 page dealie. With 90% less turn off effect. (BTW, I’m a super highly credentialed lawyer, except for a long time earning my keep otherwise. Lawyering was just too nerdy for me.)
But having NO written contract is really dangerous to you in our culture. Yeah, half the time it won’t matter. But half the time it will.
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Tood
….a man with Game need never be lonely or with Warpigs, no matter how old….
Take a look at some warpigs at your local mall – 80%+ will have rings on their fingers. forget lonely… I’d rather be in Jail for a crime I didn’t committ than bust my hump my whole life to come home to that
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Wasn’t planning with this one as it is my little sister running it. Good information for the future though.
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Peep game this is what I learned from a black guy. Dude going full go on his concert dream only gonna cost around 60k to 90k potential profit 240k. He said you can get jayz for like 300k. Interesting business.
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lol Mac be carefull what you make fun of.
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“””””””””””””””on April 16, 2009 at 10:37 pm dougjnn
Gunny–
You wacko. But yeah you’re an interesting and maybe inspired wacko, hard to tell. Do you get written contracts? You’re nuts in our culture if you don’t.”””””””””””””
Dam a lawyer and this is how you treat “friends” in public. I should have known. Don’t hate the player doug hate the game. Seriously though why the vitroul just because a woman played you. It’s only online dude. Can’t let a woman cause you to disrespect friends.
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“The part that amuses me is that you have no clue about fixing the problem. The best that most of you can do is to mumble something about game, white power, race, age, fitness, scores, liberteriansm and other assorted c**p.” (Lucifer)
WOW, even the Devil himself is an “anti-racist!”
All this time I thought it was you (Lucifer) who was putting all these bigoted thoughts in my head regarding not wanting to see the West turn into a 3rd world sh-thole?
WTF?
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Gord,
The biggest problem with the us turning into the third world is they will still charge taxes. That is the part that will suck.
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Highly suggest though if you are a top one percenter to put away the jealousy and mentor people who are not in making dreams into reality. A lot of people have dreams they just don’t have the confidence to make it reality, hard to climb everest without a guide or having help from someone who did it. Can change the world for real.
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Schoolboy & Doug,
Didn’t know you two guys rocked the Baldie, that’s wassup. And while we’re on the shaving tip, lemme drop somethin’ else I’ve found…
That Women LOVE TO SHAVE A MAN’S HEAD. I found this out in my own home, as Dad always had a bald head. In fact, that was his MO at the popular nitespots in Brooklyn & Philly-the smooth talkin “country” brotha from Savannah GA, clean shaven head, brownskinned, & dark aviator shades-never took em off. Even at night. When I suit up, I wear mine in honor of him.
My Dad trained my Mom well. When he got home from work, dinner was prepared as well as his bath, and every week she would also shave his head, and she really enjoyed it. Of course, nookie jumped off too, hence the reason why we all had to be in bed by the time Dad got home, LOL.
And yup, like Doug said, all they used was good ole soap and water, and a good razor.
Aside from the “macho” aspect that Doug mentioned, and the phallic dimension I mentioned earlier, another reason why Women like it so much is because its neat. Women like symmetry a lot, and a bald head, unless you got a kind of Joe Rockhead, kinda points to that.
But yea, if you’re beginning to thin out or get a bald patch, fuck it, just shave it off.
O
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Your Dad knew what was up,
They love all the grooming shit. Cutting hair shaving your face. Washing your body woman can definetly rock. I get the extreme with being fed but hey it might be because I breastfed. lol
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Gunny,
Yea, my Mom not only ran my Dad’s bath but she bathed him, too. Glad you reminded me to include that point. He was in his late 30s when he married her, she was 18, that stayed married 30 years until he died in 1998. Not bad.
Oh, and I read about your idea to bankroll concerts-go for it! I think it could work. Start off small, get the hang of things, especially in the current economic environment, and go from there. Its always good to know guys who came up.
O
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That one wasn’t my idea but yea shit my eyes are open. I would like to do one. This dude went full go got the fliers professionaly done. Got the contract for singer already. Got the venue. Got the vendors. Wild stuff.
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Real life reportage of a guy in his fifties
Wherever I go, if I smile at a girl in her thirties or go forbid her 40’s, married or not, they come on to me. It happens all the freaking time. It’s like oppressive, man.
I’m telling you it’s endemic. The hunger out there is unbelievable.
Just reporting back.
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doug your in your 50’s ?
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Doug,
You aint sayin nothin but a word, Man. The number of Women out there who are hardup for the Good Wood are LEGION, let me tell you. If you present yourself in any way that suggests you got strong Woodhandling skills, you in like Flynn.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Age is a Man’s best Friend, fuck what you heard. The only thing is, he’s gotta take good care of himself-watch his weight, no drugging and smoking and drinking, and so forth. A Man who takes care of himself at 50-ish can easily swoop honies in the 20s, 30s and good looking 40s. I’ve seen it done firsthand, many, many, many times.
Like I said, all the Menfolk in my fam didn’t really start fucking for real until their late 30s, and were humping high in their mid 40s on. My Uncle Roscoe was doing the damn thing well into his latter 70s, pulling all ages btw 18 to early 50s. With no complaints.
And me? At 40, having the love of two Women, both of whom cook for me regularly, and meet my needs w/o any drama, Life is very Good.
I fully intend to draw my ass back until the day that I die-which, Inshallah, won’t be for a very long time yet.
😉
O
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Yuup.
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lol doug wtf so really i guess your my elder but that clowning shit ain’t dignified he he he
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Well obsid I guess if you like life that might be the other reason to get rich have you checked out roissy’s life extension foundation link?
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Slightly off target but the Gov. of Texas who ranted about some sort of special right of Texas to secede from the union is apparently the victim of an urban myth. He is completely wrong, of course. OTOH, someone needs to tell the Obama Administration that they were hired to deal with some problems, not remake our lives.
In regard to Dougjins comment: As women get older, they rapidly realize just how precarious their situation is in terms of getting action from the sort of guys they need. So many guys fall to loser-dom, depression, fatness/diabetes/impotence that if you can just stay on your feet you can get all of them you want. It gets easier, in other words; as long as you qualify.
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Dam heard about states trying to reinstitute the power of the state but dam texas talking about seceding jesus.
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They probably are scared shitless about losing all the companies there. Problem if you want global economy it cuts both ways. Just like you can outsourse oversees to save money but what about when the companies completly move. Then what do you do.
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First: Dougie is 50+? The mind, she boggles…
Second:
I believe we are witnessing a glimpse of the true purposes of the one we call Roissy.. hardened cynic, yes, ruthless manipulator of females psyches, yes, but whatever-will-be-will-be fatalist? Perhaps not. Now that our trust has been won with tales of unrepentant fiddling with vaginas as Rome burns, Roissy reveals himself to be, at heart, on a mission to rescue western civilization from the icy grip of progressivism, exemplified by this distinticly pro-marriage post on the horrors of the fate awaiting unmarried men in their post-midddle ages. “Do not wind up like Arnie!” is the advice he imputes with this post.
Yes, Roissy may front the persona of a carefree and amoral man, blogging for his own personal amusement and nothing else, but it is obvious to any that read between the lines: this blog is a last-ditch, hail-mary attempt at salvation of Western civilization. By taking on this challenge, he joins Mencius Moldbug, Steve Sailer, Half Sigma et al. in reminding me that there is still hope for this, the greatest civilization ever created in human history, surviving and prospering for the remainder of my lifetime. Circumstamnces willing, the lifetimes of my children as well, and their children etc.
You may claim, Roissy, as I’m sure you will (and I respect your tactical decision) that this blog is a hobby, a whim, a thing of no significance to your world – but I believe, or at least I hope, that the words you write here will someday become more important than any of the ultimately petty and insignificant actitivies that compose your day job.
Zdeno
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Editor’s note: Very drunk right now.
Have a good night folks
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Re. “Bootyfest” — it’s the scenic capital of Pornoslavia. I’ll never forget my first month here, when I visited a friend who was proud of the fact that his apartment was the filming location for Assman 7.
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As long as a man :
1) Keeps his hair (don’t expect to be able to be a Captain Picard)
2) Avoids getting fat
He is very much in the Game until 50. Even after 50, he can always go for women substantially younger.
Obsidian,
Uncle Roscoe sounds cool. But don’t tell me he was 70 and was pulling 18 year olds. Now that is pushing it.
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lol jvm
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That is just what the soldiers called it at the time and I remember my girlfriend walking through the mall like what the heck in regards to the clothes. They were pretty much made for stick figures.
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Tood,
Naw, I’m telling you, Uncle Roscoe was no joke. He was bald, a robust Man, w/a bellowing voice and a very outgoing personality, bigger than life. And he can make you laugh! So, in a lot of ways, you really didn’t notice that he was in the AARP.
And lemme tell you, the world is fulla young chippies that LIKE OLDER MEN A LOT. Uncle Roscoe wasn’t the only older Man who was pullin’ 18 & 19 year olds on the regular. Not only have I done it, but so has a very good friend of mine, Zam-he’s the same age as me, and his shot is the young stuff, and believe you me, there’s no shortage of it for him. Now me, it’s not that big a deal. But for him, its RARE for him to date a gal over 30.
I knew another older Brotha, now he was at least in his latter 50s, I mentioned him before; he had two highschool seniors come by his house and fuck him tag team style every week, after which he’d break em off a few dollars apiece, you know, some walk around money. Classic Suga Daddy scenario.
That’s why when I hear this talk of “dirty old man” and such, I take it with a grain of salt because I know, for a fact there’s a lot of what my grandmother used to call “fast assed girls”. Like I said, I done seen it firsthand.
You just gotta strong Game, or a strong wallet, whichever comes first.
O
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Oh, and Tood,
Do not sleep on Patrick Stewart/Jean Luc Picard/Charles Xavier-not only does he have a smooth head, but he’s just a smooth, cultured dude all the way around, plus he’s successful-and his age makes him even sexier to Women. You doubt me? Take a look around on the Internet. That Man can literally write his own ticket to the pussy.
Something else, going back to Uncle Roscoe-he was a Deacon in the Church, which, if you know how Black Churches roll, is a pretty high office, second in command to the Pastor. Several of the Men in my fam were Deacons, the rest Preachers, and let me tell you Tood, if you really wanna up your Poon count, go to Church. Ain’t nothing but Women there. Not only that, but the Holy Rollers are far and away more freaky than the gals you see at the club, please trust me on this. One of the main reasons *why* Uncle Roscoe was so successful, was because, like Willie Sutton once said, he went where the Poon was.
Can I get an Amen?
😉
O
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Hey Obsidian, since you brought up black churches – what made you convert to Islam? I’m going by the assumption that you were raised Christiain and became Muslim later.
I’m asking because it seems to me that Christianity (with a black flavor) is more in keeping with black Amercians’ roots.
Don’t take this the wrong way but I’m puzzled by blacks who embrace Islam. The reason is that orthodox Islam seems a joyless and very restrictive creed for the African temparament. I can understand the NoI US-specific creed of black nationalism and self-sufficiency, etc. But not the Arab / Middle East theological angle.
Also, you are a practicioner of Astrology. I know that in strict Christian interpretation arts of the occult, even yoga, are considered unclean (originating with the devil) and very unsafe to dabble in. Is it similar with Islam?
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I’m asking because it seems to me that Christianity (with a black flavor) is more in keeping with black Amercians’ roots.
In contrast, “black Christianity” doesn’t really appeal to me, and it’s too heavily Protestant to appeal to my Catholic senses, and I’m not fond of majority black Catholic Churches that lean toward such practises.
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Tood
as long as a man :
1) has game
2) money
3) or both
he can get bald/fat/whatever, including be 50. You inverted causality. Actually there was a joke about BMW a few year ago. An AD was circulatin gin the internet which said: “got a small penis? Get over it with a BMW!!”
concerning baldness, it prices you out of the 18-20 girls market. I have two balding friends, and I see it happening with them. One is 24, the other 27. Both are viewed as 5 years older than their real ages. So all that stuff that people say about girls when age difference is above 10 years applies to them, and they don’t have the incomes/cars or 30+ guys,
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In contrast, “black Christianity” doesn’t really appeal to me, and it’s too heavily Protestant to appeal to my Catholic senses,
I think that Southern black churches get around the Protestand austerity by doing the whole fiery preacher thing, call & response, singing, clapping, etc.
In contract, I like the combination of austere old-school catholicism combined with the visual and auditory richness of the imagery & choir.
I don’t care much for the happy/clappy atmosphere I have seen in Evangelican churches or the more mainstream American RC churches.
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PA,
Oh, that’s easy: God just spoke to me in a different language, is all, lol. Really as simple as that.
That said, I have a deep respect and admiration for Christianity in general, and of course the unique spin we Black folk put on it.
As for Islam, it is a very diverse faith, and one notices that when they get out of the Arab World, things change quite a bit. For example, African Women from Nigeria or Senegal look entirely different in terms of dress than Saudi Arabia or Iran. What’s going on in more recent years, is the radicals of a Wahhabist bent coming on and trying to make the case that *they* are the true representation of Islam, I vociferously disagree. I am NOT a Wahhabi. Never have been. Never will be.
As for astrology-the Qur’an itself is littered with references to it. Check the Yusef Ali translation, the commentary notes. Some of the world’s greatest astrological minds were Muslims. Am I an astrologer? Yup, more than a decade now. Have taught it, written on it, spoken on it.
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concerning baldness, it prices you out of the 18-20 girls market.
One thing that younger guys don’t realize is that as a guy ages, he appreciates slightly women too.
I remember that at 24, I was bummed out by the fact that I’m getting out of range for 16 year old girls (legality and age-segregation, not my attractiveness to them). Now in my late 30s I can’t possibly see myself with a teen. Sure, they are nice to look at, but I would find the hi-energy “omigod!” flappiness extremely tiresome.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t turn down a hot 16 year old if it were legal and I were single. But I’d be more hot for a sexy 27-year old.
At the gym for example, there are plenty of women teen-to-gramma in age. I catch myself checking out women 24-28. Teens, not so much.
So going by that logic, it’s unlikely that a 50+ guy will despair over being shut out from the 18-20 set. He’ll probably be quite happy swooping women 27 thru nice looking 40s.
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i LOVE bald men (note, not balding). just shave it. bald is definitely sexy.
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actually, the problem is being perceived as older without the benefits of old age. A guy at 24 that looks like 29 because of baldness is still 5 years from the the higher income that he’ll get at 29. And with that comes a better car, leaving his parents’ home, and all the self confidence that comes with it
But as those guys age, they’ll start having the benefits of old age while the damage of baldness is held constant. And baldness will stop being a problem.
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Another anedocte, about what I see in the guys I know who are balding. Not only those two, but others as well.
They all have boobs . It must be that finasteride stuff.
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Btw, PA-
Being that you’re from Polska, I just wanted you to know that one of my al time fave heroes is Pope John Paul the Great. He stood up to the Nazis, and he stood up the Soviets, and he was the first Pope to seriously deal with the Islamic World. He was a Good Man, and I had nothing but respect for how he handled his final days with grace and dignity.
As for Dave Alex’s views about Black Christianity and more traditional Catholicism, well, I’ve had the chance to be among quite a few Haitian Catholic services, and they bring it, too LOL. The only difference is they doin it in Creole, where I pick out certain words in French.
But there are more homegrown Black Catholics, like Michael Steele and Clarence Thomas. Personally I don’t have a problem with the Catholic Church, and have been a bit put off by the beating its taken in recent years behind the Priest Pedophile Scandals. True, they were horrendous, but the RCC has done a lot of good around the world too, and that ought to be taken into account.
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You mean they take Finasteride, that doesn’t help their baldness but they get boobs from it?
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Finasteride halts baldness, at least this is what I see. The problem is the stage in which it is halted. Depending on the stage, I am with the consensus in this blog, that it is better to shave it off. Concerning the boobs, I need to make a correction. All the overweight and balding guys have boobs. Nrmal guys that go overweight, with a 25-27 BMI, tend to get that belly fat and slightly bigger boobs. The guys who are balding, OTOH, do have much bigger boobs.
The point is, if you go bald, you lose the right to go fat unless you can add money to your game.
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Well I’m not even in my 20’s yet. I just turned 19 two months ago. I could understand how later on as you get older it could price you out the 18-25 women frame, but since I’m young it has no effect.
Some things to take a note of:
You look better naked if you have a nice build.
Since I started shaving white women in general seem more attracted to me now. ( I’m latin) Maybe they are more receptive to it?? Or maybe I’m just over analyzing them since I game more of them now.
Black women don’t really seem to even care.
Asian women seem scared at first.
Latin women don’t give a fuck, they digs it.
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I’m sorry I just don’t go in for the idea that a young bald guy can’t get no action, it just hasn’t been the case from where I sit. Many Brothas shave it all off in their late teens or 20s, and it doesn’t have any negative effect on their Game at all-if anything, per what has already been noted in this thread, quite the reverse may be true, that its an aid to Game. We gotta remember, that the Female Hindbrain is the same pretty much regardless of age, they will largely respond to the same thing, usually. So, a young gal is just as likely to find a bald Man sexy as her mom or even grandmom. Its all about the Phallic symbol on the subliminal level, and lemme tell ya, that’s some deep ish.
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Schoolboy,
I think you’re in a perfect position to maximize the Poon, because you can appeal to all three major groups of females: White, Black and Latin. As you noted, the Black and Latin gals really go in for the clean look, and White gals will follow suit mainly because there is less stigma on them dating outside the race and so forth. Plus, you being Non-White, you have a kinda exotic thing working in your favor, which you should definitely take advantage of.
You’re at a prime age to sample God’s Garden of Women, Schoolboy. You’ve just taken your first steps into a new world.
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Having a shaved head does not slow you down with women. At all. Trust me.
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Obsidian,
“You’re at a prime age to sample God’s Garden of Women, Schoolboy. You’ve just taken your first steps into a new world.”
I will take those words to heart Obsidian. I will not let the Backlum Chaam god down.
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i get it.
when Lex hits 55 and no worthwhile poon is available, he’ll sling a rope over a door, shocked that it twas not Game that sated the beast.
while arnie, already acclimated, will soldier on
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Schoolboy,
Having been your age once, I thought to pass on, if I may, a bit of advice to help you on the Journey:
1. Date and bed as many different Women as possible. At your age, you’re just beginning to learn how to properly bust a nut. So this is a good time to go out and spread some wild oats. DO NOT LISTEN TO WHAT OTHER MEN SAY ABOUT WOMEN, listen to your own inner Woodsmen. Afterall, at the end of the day, the only people who’ll matter is you and the Women joining you under the covers.
2. So, tryout all different types of Women: White, Black, Asian, Indian, Iranian, Italians, Jews, Scotch-Irish, Russian, Latinas, etc. Tall Women, short Women, slim Women, chubby Women, younger Women, older Women, you get the picture. A Man should have some experience in handling a Woman’s body, and you will learn out in the field that no two Women’s bodies are exactly alike, and you will learn how to compensate for that depending on the Woman and the situation. This means you gotsta fuck as many Women as possible so as to get the requisite experience as a good lover later on in life.
3. One major area to start at your age is with the so-called Cougar Crowd, Women say, 30 and over. These are usually the easiest, for a number of reasons: one, they already know that their remaining time out on the market is short, and at this point, are usually financially independent and often are looking for mainly a sexual relationship w/not much in the way of strings. Younger guys as a rule tend to be attracted to them, provided they’ve kept themselves up, and they like the youngbuck’s energy and ability to pop consistent Wood. So, for sexual purposes, its a good match. Also, an older Woman who’s got her head on straight can teach you a lot about Women and their inner world, which is essential to understand if you want to be successful with them in future. If you’re a rather mature young Man for your age, all the better, because older gals really like that.
4. Be a keen observer of Women. Always heed the Rule of Ten Percent: only 10% of all a Woman *says* is of any good use to a Man. Women by nature are very chatty, and don’t talk the way we Menfolk do. So, its more important to focus on their actions, because Women tend to be more instinctual than are Men on average, and their body language always gives em away. BUT, and here’s the trick, its often very, very subtle, and most Men ae lost when it comes to subtlety. This is why the best Players, take Style for example are that way because they understand subtlety well. So, always observe and watch Women carefully. Learn they ways, the way they move, face or don’t face people, mannerisms, etc. And besides, all Women love a Man who pays close attention to them.
That’s about all I can think of off the top of the dome for now. Best of luck, and Ride em High Pardner!
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Obsidian,
An older man like Uncle Roscoe certainly has the ingredients to do well. It is valuable to have access to such a role model.
But getting girls 18-19 when HE was 70? Come on, that is a bit much.
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Tood, listen Man, I’m tryin to tell ya. There is such an animal. I’ve seen it too many times in my life. I’ve experienced it myself-one of thee hottest Women sexually I’ve ever had was a zaftig, lightskinned 18 year old, and I was twice her age at the time. We dated about two years. She had to be hands down one of the best Sword Swallowers I’ve ever come, pardon the pun, accross in my lifetime. In fact, she was so hot that once, during a seriously hot session in the Summer, I pulled out and bust a pearly rope on her bootie, was still rock hard sank it back in and tapped for another 20 minutes and bust another nut on her grill. Yea, it was like that.
And her major attraction to me? That I was much older than she.
I bullshit you not.
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Schoolboy–
Obsidian’s advice to learn sexually from good looking cougars is good advice. BUT don’t be too soft hearted about it. I’m not saying be mean; I’m saying don’t get attached and do play the field.
There’s a real tendency for anyone, male or female, to get attached to the first person that’s both very good sexually for them and also nice to them.
Having a cougar as a readily available fuck buddy while you go and play the field around that isn’t a bad option at all.
However, while you can learn sexually from cougars, and get over some approach anxiety with them, you can’t hone your pickup game much with them. They’re too easy.
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Doug makes some excellent refining points on my notes above, thanks, Man. Much appreciated.
Yes, what he says is true Schoolboy-you gotta keep in mind, that a sexual relationship w/a Good Cougar is just that, but like he said, you can do it and be cordial and nice and kind to each other, but still, you have to keep in mind that it can’t work over the longterm and so there’s not much point in catchin’ feelings like that. And, its a good thing to have that understanding upfront before anything jumps off. That way, no one gets hurt. Ain’t no law against two people enjoying each other sexually, and as long as y’all have that point in mind things should be cool.
The major purpose for going the Cougar route is so that you can learn how to fuck properly. Pickup Game is impiortant, but I believe a Man should be able to finish the job. Cougars can be helpful in this regard because they usually wanna get right to the point, they’re experienced, and so on.
As for practicing Pickup Game, you can do that anywhere, at school, church, bars and clubs, etc. And the way I advocate it is to tryout different things and observe the results. Keep what works and chuck the rest.
But yea, again, props to Doug on the much appreciated refininements on my original thoughts. Very important.
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Obsidian and Douglinn,
How would I go into getting with a cougar?
A while back approaching women my age was rought enought. and now this whole cougar dynamic?…how would i go about it?
I never gamed an older women before. Is it more of a direct shock and awe approach, or some indirect mystery method ish?
Also their was an episode a while back on a spanish channel about real life stories and what not. It was about a young 18 or so guy hooking up with a 30 yr. She would stalk him at his house to have sex. Until the guy’s parents found she was sleeping in her car in their driveway waiting for him every day he got after school. He didn’t give a fuck about her. She was a pump and dump…but with more dumps.
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Schoolboy,
LOL, I wouldn’t worry too much about the horror stories, so long as you use your commonsense. If girlfriend comes in any way as creepy, get outta Dodge, and this goes for any gal, not just the older ones. You got 9s like KK who are crazy as bedbugs too, so keep a sharp eye out.
As for how to approach em, the number one thing to keep in mind with anything in life is location, location, location: you gotta go where the Poon is, in this case, where the Cougars be. So, that might take a little bit of footwork/homework to find out, that shouldn’t be hard at all. Clubs that cater to em, bookstores, etc. Whatever. Not a big whup.
Now, as for the pickup aspects of it, like Doug said, this is where you’ll really get a pass because Cougars aren’t usually so tough on a newbie like gals closer to your age. All you really gotta be is cute to them and available, and not say anything to screw things up and you’ll be alright. But if you’re that concerned about it you can check out some of the better books on the matter and of course, this site’s archives and tryout some stuff and see what works.
When I was your age I had quite a few Cougars, we didn’t call em that then, but I had a few, and I didn’t have any particular “pickup” method-I was just there. And she was horny, and I had energy goin to bed and she liked that, and I spent the Summer getting my noce blown wide open by this 30-something subway driver Scorpio brownskinned lady who had a vicious donkey, LOL. We had a nightly schedule where I would drop by after she got done her shift, round midnite, where I would rock her world till dawn. Then she made me breakfast, kissed, patted her on the ass and bounced til the next night. One of the best Summers of my life.
So, yea, the number one thing man, is get out there. Go to where you know they are. Present yourself well, keep it simple. And keep your eyes open. Even Cougars can be subtle. They’ll drop hints.
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To Doug,
My sell order auto went through at 4.53
on citi.
Closed at 3.65
It is like I had a 6th sense on this one. Of course that is how they reeeelllll you in lol
This is wierd though the stats for the day say it went from 3.55 to 4.16 today yet my sell order went through at 4.53 strange right.
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Obsidian,
“, lightskinned 18 year old, and I was twice her age at the time. ”
40 getting 20 is NOT the same thing as 70 getting 18.
40 getting 20 can happen often.
70 getting 18, I don’t buy (unless the 70 year old man is as famous as Sean Connery or Harrison Ford).
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Tood,
Stranger (heh heh) things have happened. Remember, Truth is always stranger than fiction.
And, again, being a High Official in the Church is a smaller version of being a Connery or some other older male celeb. Uncle Roscoe milked his position as Deacon for all it was worth. Can’t say I blame him. Got him very nice results.
Then, there was my Dad’s ace, Mr. Fontaine, whom I’ve spoken about here before. At the time, he had to be in his 60s, and he was widely known to have a serious Jones for the young stuff, refusing to have any Woman over 25. His personal prefence was for 16 year olds, but for legal purposes he had to settle for 18, 19 and 20 year olds. He was a successful businessman, so his having some cash to spread around certainly greased the Game skids. Still, he never lacked for fresh young company when and if he wanted it.
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I’ve seen a regular guy who happened to have tons of natural Game (my sister’s father-in-law) who is around 70 regale a roomfull of people with funny stories.
I saw the women, teen thru 50s raptly listening, eyes lit up. 70 getting 18 is not common, but it can happen.
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Let me guess, Arnie would be a lot happier if he started yelling at strangers in bars, or otherwise attempting to control other people?
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Blacks do mostly look better with their hear shaved. The blacker the better. Brownier people like Will Smith don’t though.
Is it that hard to understand? White people are supposed to have hair.
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Windin’ your way down on Baker Street
Light in your head and dead on your feet
Well another crazy day
You’ll drink the night away
And forget about everything
This city desert makes you feel so cold.
It’s got so many people but it’s got no soul
And it’s taking you so long
To find out you were wrong
When you thought it had everything
You used to think that it was so easy
You used to say that it was so easy
But you’re tryin’
You’re tryin’ now
Another year and then you’ll be happy
Just one more year and then you’ll be happy
But you’re cryin’
You’re cryin’ now
Way down the street there’s a lad in his place
He opens the door he’s got that look on his face
And he asks you where you’ve been
You tell him who you’ve seen
And you talk about anything
He’s got this dream about buyin’ some land
He’s gonna give up the booze and the one night stands
And then he’ll settle down there’s a quiet little town
And forget about everything
But you know he’ll always keep movin’
You know he’s never gonna stop movin
Cus he’s rollin’
He’s the rollin’ stone
And when you wake up it’s a new mornin’
The sun is shinin’ it’s a new morning
You’re goin’
You’re goin’ home.
— Gerry Rafferty, “Baker Street”
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That was a good one tupac
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“The world’s oldest father has done it again, fathering a child for at least the 21st time, at the age of 90.
“Indian farmer Nanu Ram Jogi, who is married to his fourth wife, boasts he does not want to stop, and plans to continue producing children until he is 100.
“Mr Jogi, who attributes his remarkable virility to daily walks and plenty of meat, said: ‘I eat all kinds of meat – rabbits, lamb, chicken, and wild animals.’ ”
— from the Daily Mail, Aug 2007
Here in the U.S., I recall reading about an alternative medicine guru who cured his spinal disease and fathered a son at age 84.
“Old Tom Parr”, a medieval Englishman, supposedly fathered a child out of wedlock at age 100 and married for the final time at age 123.
Outliers, certainly; but still inspiration for men who expect to be facing man-o-pause in their 50s and 60s.
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“The lonely road from ‘Baker Street’ to skid row”
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features
/the-lonely-road-from-baker-street-to-skid-row-1623805.html
what a shame, that real talent shits, forsaken, in a corner, and Madonna can’t even get Chris Reeved properly.
god-fucking-damn-it lol
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rafferty is, in reality, more gone than Arnie.
Lex will be rewarded as a proponent of “game”
…so long as he keeps up the P90X haha
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Their biggest reservation about dating an older guy is that he won’t have as much energy as she does, that he’ll just want to hang around, etc. Young girls can’t sit still, and if their bf can’t keep up with that, they’ll grow bored very quickly.
Well, they’re right. I don’t have as much energy as a 22 year old, nor would I really want to keep up with the whole air-headed party circuit thing. That’s why I don’t date more than about 10 years younger, unless there are special circumstances.
On the 70 dating 18 thing…I knew a 71 year old guy who was a true alpha and had been throughout his life (not an embittered beta type like Roissy), and he had a 28 year old fall very, very hard for him as soon as he separated from his wife. He only took her up on it briefly though, went back to his wife. She wasn’t a great looking 28 year old, but not really ugly either, about a 5. He had for the most part lost his looks and a lot of his health too. But not his confidence and swagger, those were innate and they are the key.
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confidence and swagger are overrated and tricky values to present, at best.
These are often misconstrued by airheaded hbs as “being, like, such a dick, you know”
Her friends, jealous, will poison her feeblette mind with “Britny, why do u, like, like him – he’s , like, such an uber dick”
always be wary of the word “uber”
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Citi at 2.89 dam got lucky I guess.
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I am starting to feel like paul newman in the movie about the horse race. So f it I got an order in for citi at 2.20
I ammmm aaaaaaa reeeeeettttaaarrrrrddddddddddeeeddd
Gaaaaammmmbbblllleeeerrrrrrrrrrrr.
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It only bounced down to 2.6 that blows.
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